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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Khavi Kitamatsu on 19/06/2011 22:57:33 Hello Kitty is that way >>>>>>
This is EVE Online. Things never happen as you may assume. That is why there is "EVE" and then there is everything else.
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Emiko P'eng
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:58:00 -
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Humm! as a new player watching my first tournament.
I gained a good insight into how EVE really works.
Spying & giving intelligence to rivals to make sure you get to fight teams you know most about.
Throwing matches to make sure you get to fight each other in the final.
Throw the final to just rub it in that you don't care about anyone else enjoying the event and really rubbing it into those teams that were beaten on route.
Well as to what I think of the above... Well I am not cancelling my subscription, but I don't think I will bother watching another tournament.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:00:00 -
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Well now i just get all mushy inside.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1531508
This really takes character.
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Laura Izia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Wrong, EVE at its purest is fighting so you gtfo.
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:04:00 -
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Sorry, but who are you? As far as I know you have no history, nothing.... I have flown lots of times besides Test... You do not seem to have undocked in your life. This is why I replied, and as far as I can see, you are nothing but a forum warrior. Now you can leave the basement and go to bed, son.
U mad bro?
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Bologna Brains
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:05:00 -
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agree with OP
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Izia
Originally by: Alpine 69 I for one would've done exactly the same. I applaud HYDRA and Outbreak for making it through.
For the whiners out there - This is EVE in it's purest form. If you don't like it, then gtfo.
Wrong, EVE at its purest is fighting so you gtfo.
EVE at its purest is whatever the hell the players want to do. That's kinda the point of EVE. And if two alliances have the skill, the ability, and the willingness to work together in reaching the final, then damn the whiners, damn honor, and do it. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Cham Palaung
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:10:00 -
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This final has wasted the effort of so many players and ccp workers just to satisfy the ego of a few persons in hydra. a pure shame |
Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:12:00 -
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I'm going to paraphrase a blog post I just wrote about this. Heck, I might even just quote it for the lulz.
Quote: I loved this tournament as with all of the previous tournaments. The bittersweet tears from those who emotionally invested in inferior teams is also rather delicious and while I am writing this I am licking those tears off my screen and orgasming pure rainbows.
Yes, people will be disappointed at the final and the meta-gaming that occurred to get it there. Yet they will still celebrate meta-gaming in other areas and fail to recognise their own hypocrisy.
In fact, let's see what happened here. The team captain of Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded was one and the same. Yes, one captain and two teams with total agreement of both teams. They defeated all of the other teams which is no mean feat and something of a massive triumph. Especially considering how easily that operation could itself have been meta-gamed.
A chap called Garmon who's mother keeps watch on his router in the basement beat all comers and yet the vast intellect of all of the other players in Eve cannot beat this. If you truly devalue Garmon then you should be ashamed of yourselves. If you don't want to be ashamed then you should do better yourselves next year and shut up until then.
He achieved what others didn't by using well established Eve Online values and knew the actual game to achieve an end result that was favourable to him and the teams he represented. Whining about it is just embarrassing yourself.
While the result was what I thought it would be in our last podcast episode, the reasons are a little different. I was fully expecting sone sort of Pandemic Legion bartering for the final winning position after HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion beat all others into the final.
While I was wrong on that count, you have to recognise the hard work involved in not only getting one team to the final, but navigating all of the other matches, managing the metagaming and getting two there.
Thank you to all who took part, team captains and grunts and thank you to all of the CCP people involved. Another winner and another Alliance Tourney done.
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Jeff Severasse
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:32:00 -
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After reading the 5 pages of comments I have come to this conclusion.
There are a lot of tears in Eve right now.
And all those tears are being used as lube.
I love my eve community
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Garwill
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cham Palaung This final has wasted the effort of so many players and ccp workers just to satisfy the ego of a few persons in hydra. a pure shame
THIS... Oh don't forget wasting an hour of 30,000 viewers time also. CCP didn't seem too happy about it either.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tasmine Ralo Back to your missions bears, nothing to see here.
Post with your main, you ****ing coward. (And yes, this is mine.)
We've just seen a manifestation of everything that's wrong with this game...Surprised it took this long, frankly.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
That's what you guys don't understand. We are ONE team. We even gave you 2 finals! ____________________________________________
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Jeff Severasse
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus We will never know who the best team was now - or who the winners would have been.
That's what you guys don't understand. We are ONE team. We even gave you 2 finals!
One team that has two components. I think what everyone is crying about is that those 2 teams should of gone full boar. Then that way one half could of had bragging rights on the other half. But whatever once I figured out WTH was going on I was very amused . Congrats on the victory.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Meltan Petitioned just to see if I can elicit a response :)
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Dear Sirs and Madams I am an avid EVE player, and me along with my PvP hungry corp and alliance mates, as did 20,000 other players, watched your AT 9 event with great enthusiasm till we got to the final.
As we watched the final unfold and the tragic farce played out, I could only think to myself about how impotent CCP is when you stand by and allow something like this to happen.
You are impotent not because you don't have a big act, its because you can't get the big act up. Up to the standards of this event that thousands of us have come to expect.
AT 9 will go down in our collective memories as the worst tournament ever, against the spirit of everything its stands for, against the very foundation of competition that it sought to create.
If you have any concern for the way this final was rigged, you will withhold or retract the prize money and awards and ban these two corporations from the next tournament.
This.
So maybe I'm still too n00b, having never really followed, nor yet given two f***s for that matter, about previous AT's, but....Aren't AT's supposed to be about pure PvP combat?
Christ, you've got the other 49 weeks of the year for all your meta-gaming wannabe-1337 carebear crap, can't you give it a rest for just these 3 weeks? Or does being that pathetic, become a habit that quickly?
These two scrub-crew should be given a choice:
Either forfeit all prizes awarded and submit to being barred from all future AT's, or take their prizes, in exchange for a ban from EVE and **** off into the sunset.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Nau But whatever, I've come to expect the majority of Eve's playerbase to act like a bunch of twelve year olds.
Expect, yes. Accept, never.
Aren't we supposed to be better than this? We were, once.
Yes, this is my main.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kavu guys guys guys guys, its HYDRA Reloaded, the alliance created to troll people, the alliance that owns no space, nor has the energy or give a **** to do so, why are you all so mad?
Have you left Olettiers 2-1 Station yet?
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Emiko P'eng Humm! as a new player watching my first tournament.
I gained a good insight into how EVE really works.
Spying & giving intelligence to rivals to make sure you get to fight teams you know most about.
Throwing matches to make sure you get to fight each other in the final.
Throw the final to just rub it in that you don't care about anyone else enjoying the event and really rubbing it into those teams that were beaten on route.
Well as to what I think of the above... Well I am not cancelling my subscription, but I don't think I will bother watching another tournament.
Yeah, and this, too: Says it all, really.
Maybe all you pathetic little "GB2WoW/UMADBRO/(Whatever)" fanbois don't have the basic scraps of self-respect needed to understand this, but I don't like having my intelligence insulted by a bunch of narcissistic meta-gaming teenagers.
I want my 3 days, and my bandwidth back, by the way.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:16:00 -
[139]
Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:27:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fireglade Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
Remove the isk -> remove most of the reason NOT to take isk -> have more teams take the isk instead of trying to play seriously and lose isk. Well done bro.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Fireglade Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
Remove the isk -> remove most of the reason NOT to take isk -> have more teams take the isk instead of trying to play seriously and lose isk. Well done bro.
That chain of events didn't make any sence to me ??
If you remove isk from the price, it would be extremely bad business to try and buy a match for 20 billion or even 1 billion. Im not saying it would remove fixing matches alltogether, but it would remove the economical incentive to buy other teams off.
And perhaps it would also put a lid on the expence of the setups, which would in turn make less rich alliances suddenly get a chance to participate.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:44:00 -
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If you didnt see that one coming you have only yourself to blame.
I stopped watching after the last semi final, was a somewhat good tournament up to that point imo.
Too bad for the staff that put in so much work, but meh.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 20/06/2011 00:48:06 Neither Hydra or Outbreak did anything wrong (except put on a terrible show at the end). I do however think the Serbians should be black listed from the AT and a real bold rule should go into place about cheating the layout.
I was expecting the Vindicators to do a lot better - so at this point I'm only upset at not knowing if they blew up out of *we are NC of AT - BFF DAWG! lets herp derp* or if they were actually trying and failing.
*I would also extend disqualifications to ANY form of throwing a match (bribes). People place bets on this and expect teams to perform.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour Neither Hydra or Outbreak did anything wrong (except put on a terrible show at the end). I do however think the Serbians should be black listed from the AT and a real bold rule should go into place about cheating the layout.
I was expecting the Vindicators to do a lot better - so at this point I'm only upset at not knowing if they blew up out of *we are NC of AT - BFF DAWG! lets herp derp* or if they were actually trying and failing.
Its been confirmed on FHC that they not firing and had no tanks. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13605564 -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Max Torps Yes, people will be disappointed at the final and the meta-gaming that occurred to get it there. Yet they will still celebrate meta-gaming in other areas and fail to recognise their own hypocrisy.
Don't pretend the anger is over the "meta-gaming" it took to maneuver two teams to face each other in the finals, even if a few are complaining about it. That "meta-gaming" also took hard and well-fought matches, especially on the part of Outbreak which many feel faced and beat the tougher competitors.
If it were only meta-gaming, almost every last one of us (no hypocrites) would be giving a double thumbs up and celebrating both these teams: well gamed and well fought. It would, indeed, have been the best tournament ever, in terms of all EVE's ideals.
But that's not what happened here.
The anger is over the childish, self-indulgent sham of a final match, in which these players, instead of putting their skills to the acid test of actually fighting the genuinely toughest opponent either could have faced, played carebear kissy-kissy with each others' egos, while giving the bird to the Tournament, EVE, CCP and the rest of us, the viewing audience.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Greniard on 20/06/2011 00:52:41
Originally by: Fireglade
Originally by: Greniard
Originally by: Fireglade Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:30:01
Originally by: Greniard Why don't you people just tell us rules that stop stuff like this from happening?
Remove the ISK, the expensive ships and the blueprints as prices and insert a "I won the X Alliance tournament" badge for the clothes so we can see it when we walk in stations, that should make things a little bit better.
Anyone who says they are not in it for the 120 bill and all the trimmings, are lying. Its like bloody Italian football, its ruined because of greed.
Remove the isk -> remove most of the reason NOT to take isk -> have more teams take the isk instead of trying to play seriously and lose isk. Well done bro.
That chain of events didn't make any sence to me ??
If you remove isk from the price, it would be extremely bad business to try and buy a match for 20 billion or even 1 billion. Im not saying it would remove fixing matches alltogether, but it would remove the economical incentive to buy other teams off.
And perhaps it would also put a lid on the expence of the setups, which would in turn make less rich alliances suddenly get a chance to participate.
So the alliance that's ready to lose most isk will win. Awesome. You got the point.
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Kitty Vintner
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lyrrashae
So maybe I'm still too n00b, having never really followed, nor yet given two f***s for that matter, about previous AT's, but....Aren't AT's supposed to be about pure PvP combat?
It's funny because you think that pure pvp is pressing F1.
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Father Fondle
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu Hello Kitty is that way >>>>>>
The final match was all about Hello Kitty. It was about group hugs, love y'all, kiss & hugs. Not about brutal fights and exploding Internet spaceships.
Hydra Eve is Hello Kitty Eve.
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Chelso
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Djago Edited by: Dr Djago on 19/06/2011 22:07:23 Nothing should be giving out to both of these teams for this disgusting performance.
I understand this is EVE and all....
I know this is not likely going to happen, but nevertheless what they did is absolutely shameful, if this were any real sport teams on earth, they would be heavily fined and thrown in jail. I especially feel sorry for the ccp employee and everyone else who have dedicated so much of their time and hard work, staying up late at night for this project.
What happen in the end, is just a slap on their faces and all of our faces who have wasted 3 weeks of our time.
ps. notice after the match is over, ccp soundwaves and everyone else there didn't even mention it at once.
It's not real, it's not even fake on earth, it's fake pixels in fake space. Understand EVE much.
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