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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:14:00 -
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I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
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Ein Phantom
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:15:00 -
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Give kil2 a Vangel, and all is forgiven.
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint
Please forgive me
why?
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Dark Soldat
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Soldat on 19/06/2011 22:16:28 Garmon best eve player I like how all the angry and upset people here are forgetting about the effort required to get to that stage in the torunament.
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AFK Cloaker
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
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Icylce
Frost Palace
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
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0/10
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
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Is what happens when you bring a PL team against a non PL team :neverstopsmuggingevenwhenyoulose:
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Chaotic Dude
Gallente Da Dudes Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:16:00 -
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was really entertaining to watch, no need to apologize ...
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Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
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Well, didn't expect you to apologize to at least you did that right. Good show.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
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both teams killed a lot of quality players to get the opportunity to ruin your alliance final and make you so mad you say such horrible things.
If you can do what they can do i am sure they will see you next year and ruin your final again
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:17:00 -
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Two best teams won the tourney. Everyone mad because ~EvE players~. ----
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petchias
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
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I can will not be watching next year and in my opinion your alliances should forfit all winnings and put two other worthy alliances in a fight. I will be very disappointed if ccp does nothing, I feel you made a joke out of this tourney and should be banned from all of them in the future
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
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Seriously I think the way you guys ended the fight was better than an all-out brawl, a true showing of friendship is worth more than any victory, so i salute you for posting this knowing how people are gonna react, but from me, I think you guys both did great
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IamBeastx
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
Yea, you really ****ed the finals over - shoulda been epic pvp.
Fair play on the meta though, you put in the time.
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Allyria Kylari
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
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This was by far the best match to watch, as it has shown that HYDRA RELOADED is highly competent in the tournament and the metagame. You need both to win the Alliance Tournament, and this is the pinnacle of achievement in Alliance Tournament history.
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RemTrad
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
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I would really like to see some statistics about how many ... people watched that match.
It was broadcasted in HD too! |
Phollocks
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
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/enter men who previously raged about the fix, sucking up because it's a female posting.
Pretty obvious bullcrap though. You didn't think during all your organisation to ensure your fits would create a decent fight? Instead of knowingly going in with a lineup that would obviously be used to wipe the floor?
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:18:00 -
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Give me some (10 or so bil will be sufficient) of that price money and all will be forgiven Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts. |
Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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You both got to the final on (what we viewers can at least see) fair terms. And EVE is all about Metagaming, but for all those viewers who maybe were trying to get excited about EVE (I myself had a lot of friends watching) it just doesn't look good. I mean its part of the game, but its hard for some people to comprehend that.
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Tichu Tilyon
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tichu Tilyon on 19/06/2011 22:20:05 As Shadooo would say little too late...
A tournament is called a tournament for a reason, while meta gameing is perfectly fine in EVE it's not in a tournament. IMO EVE tournament is for 2 reasons: 1. For alliances to make a name for them self 2. To entertain the viewers
While we can put a check next to 1. I'm pretty sure we can't put it next to 2. Because a riged final it's just sad and upsets a lot of viewers.
You guys just turned away alot of ppl from watching next year tourney. And also ruined the hard work of EVE TV...
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Balkor Wolf
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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Forgiven due to how brilliant it was and how you managed to annoy so many people in such a short amount of time <3
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
Not sure if serious...
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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1/10 for making my left eyebrow rise slightly for a few seconds
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Gramtus
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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Amber,,,
Well done for being big enough to apologise, we were all let down, but we all know these things happen, i'm sure you guys are just as ****ed off as the rest of us with how it ended, could have been an epic fight.... but it crashed.
I'll hold nothing against you guys, you both deserved to be in the final, the winner was a mere formality, so good luck for next time and lets hope you can take more time in working out a more entertaining match if this happens again.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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A thousand butthurt souls cried out at once.
Boring final match from a pew pew point of view obviously but hilarious nonetheless, especially when there's so many people feeling cheated out of some kind of closure to the tournament.
I will forgive you if you give me one of them prize frigs ~~~
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:19:00 -
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You could have put some effort into this troll, like promising to SD your tournament prizes with the medals in the cargo, and popping the wrecks.
Grats on the metagame, here's hoping you can win a final by combat skill one day --------------------------------------
All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance |
Chivalry Lightbringer
Rogue Blades
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:20:00 -
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Forgiven! :)
Even though the fight could have been better, we all saw who would have won the fight, and the fact that they gave you the win doesn't prove anything else than that it's good to have friends in EVE.
Your two teams both deserved to be in the finals! For me, who doesn't play much else then missionrunning in high-sec, all your fights, and this whole tournament has given me inspiration to try to be a bit more active and maybe find someone to pvp with.
again... Well deserved to both teams!!
I'll be watching you again next year!
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Hydraka
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Caellach Marellus here's hoping you can win a final by combat skill one day
You will be disappointed sir.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Soldat Edited by: Dark Soldat on 19/06/2011 22:16:28 Garmon best eve player I like how all the angry and upset people here are forgetting about the effort required to get to that stage in the torunament.
This
I too am personally sorry for us ****ing up the final in that way as we had better plans but were just too tired to focus on it, so sorry.
That being said, could you please load up the semifinal fights and Hydra vs PL from Youtube when they're up and pretend they are the finals? (I know I will) ----------
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StyphonUK
Caldari Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
Outbreak continuing to finish you all off in less than 5 minutes would have made a better final than the **** you left us with. Props for the apology though.
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XenosisReaper
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: XenosisReaper on 19/06/2011 22:21:38 HAHAHAHAH BUTTHURT
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Sure, you can issue an apology. You got your prizes. Should have been a real fight, not something planned. It is a tournament, not a "hey, let's do this and let so and so win!".
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: petchias ...I will be very disappointed...
See, I can predict the future!
Nice job HYDRA and Outbreak for reaching the finals! And thanks for blowing up a few Vindicators to give us some sort of show when you could have just been really silly and had Outbreak come out in all T1 frigates and instapop them with a disco domi (which might have also been cool).
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Admiral Tomahawk
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Yes the final match was a disappointment.. However if people really have an issue with it, then they need to step up and be better than Outbreak and Hydra next year. When you are in the final match you can choose to give it your all. Otherwise quit whining and go back to playing however you play the game
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Tolund
Caldari Freibeuter.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Both teams have well done during the tournament, we will try to forget about the final itself... ;o)).
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Dex Ironmind
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Metagame - Fine <I enjoy this element of EVE> Work to get to finals in tourney - Mad Props Not just playing a straight up fight and giving us a good show - ABSOLUTELY LAME
Apology -> Accepted and appreciated only because I felt like my time was wasted. Came to watch a good PVP fight. I thought for sure you guys would have fought it out just for the fun of it after all that practice and training together. That would have been enjoyable.
Oh well. Hope it doesn't wreck the AT.
Dex was here.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Caellach Marellus here's hoping you can win a final by combat skill one day
so everybody they beat to get to the final counts for what? nothing? did you think this through? of course not.
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 19/06/2011 22:23:52
Originally by: Hydraka
Originally by: Caellach Marellus here's hoping you can win a final by combat skill one day
You will be disappointed sir.
Oh I know, I'm just disappointed I didn't get my annual Hydrafail at the final hurdle and the disappointed face of Kil2 as he tries to find excuses
Originally by: salty Milk
Originally by: Caellach Marellus here's hoping you can win a final by combat skill one day
so everybody they beat to get to the final counts for what? nothing? did you think this through? of course not.
Winning the final != Getting to the final. --------------------------------------
All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance |
Dark Soldat
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: petchias two other worthy alliances in a fight.
Like the ones who lost to the two teams that got to the finals?
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Are you expecting people to actually belive this? I am sure that you could have talked them into finish you like they should, especially since you apparently shared the same TS3 server.
GG for the metagaming is in order, but it was an absolutely crap end for 30.000 people watching the finals. The more i think about it, the more I am convinced that some parts of the metagame (i.e. rigging matches) does not mix well with an arena format. Whats great in the sandbox actually ruins the tourney.
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Leeloo Malaquin
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Leeloo Malaquin on 19/06/2011 22:23:10 DS vs Outbreak was the real final of this tournament(semi-finals are always most the important). That match was epic.
We actually trained Vindi vs Minmarush in practice and it was close with those warp ins. However everyone was tired and there was communication errors so we failed to deliver a good and fast brawl.
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ike kalari
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: ike kalari on 19/06/2011 22:24:04
Originally by: Kagumichan Seriously I think the way you guys ended the fight was better than an all-out brawl, a true showing of friendship is worth more than any victory, so i salute you for posting this knowing how people are gonna react, but from me, I think you guys both did great
yes
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Lady Dhalia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
[43]
And the award for the forum troll of the year goes to..... AMBER SAINT!!
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
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Well there is good think about this year finals, next year there is 3 alliances I wonÆt take time to look at on live, more time for ****. gratz to who ever won this finals
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Nils Oranos
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:23:00 -
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disappointing finals from a first time viewer, you guys should have manned up and fought it to the death . . . instead of a bunch of slap and tickle . . . just sayin
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Moto Tsume
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
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fail
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Rapcore2
Caldari Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[47]
I will forgive you for 100mil isk :)
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kdsjfjhiskhfs
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:24:00 -
[48]
I hope ccp will ban you and your friends from current and next tournament.
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Admiral Goberius
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:25:00 -
[49]
wtf is this crocodile tears you ***gots should stand by your trolls :v
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Icylce
Frost Palace
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:25:00 -
[50]
Originally by: salty Milk
so everybody they beat to get to the final counts for what? nothing? did you think this through? of course not.
Seeing as they were able to rigg the final match and make it so obvious probably all bought matches??
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SilKKZ the3rd
Caldari Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:25:00 -
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Epic fail.
Ohh and thanks for making a mockery of the competitons to win graphics cards etc. I estimated Outbreak to win and they clearly did. So not only did you make a bad show if the final, but also of the sponsors and the side comps on the go at the time. So bravo to you. Do I accept the appology no I dont.
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Zhaky Mayaki
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:26:00 -
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Hmm.. if both alliances are around next year, which I hope they are.. perhaps they could make an agreement with EVE TV, to start the tournament with a REMATCH!
I would love to see that.. sort of "Both teams of last years final, wasn't pleased with the entertainment value of the battle, and thus they wish to open this years tournament with a great battle!"
Ok I may be dreaming.. but I would love to see that ^^
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Thy Spy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:26:00 -
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This is the most suitable ending for an EVE sport. It smells like EVE, it tastes like EVE. Much love to hydra and 0utbreak, you guys rock! |
Usuotas
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:26:00 -
[54]
You guys suck. Go stick a cactus where it hurts the most... ---------------- Women - can't live with them........the end. - Al Bundy |
Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:27:00 -
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You could have just played the match and shared the spoils afterwards. No need "to give someone a win" in the goddamn finale.
That said: props for posting and saying you're sorry for how it played out. That actually restores some faith.
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Shiroi Okami
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Soldat Edited by: Dark Soldat on 19/06/2011 22:16:28 Garmon best eve player I like how all the angry and upset people here are forgetting about the effort required to get to that stage in the torunament.
Never thought I'd be quoting soldat, but he's right. ------
My latest pvp video - Freestyle |
Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:27:00 -
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I can appreciate you feeling bad, but apologizing is the first part, the second is to give up your prizes or the first part it null and void. I think the only thing is you have effected the next tourney. I doubt many will be entering or watching it. Cause let's face it, if teams are proven to be fixing the fight, who else did? How deep does it go? You get what I am saying.
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 19/06/2011 22:27:44 Was so ridicuolus, when we saw that when B team almost win, the Hydra members started to yell to Outbread, "you guys could not win this match, because thats will be a joke for us". But end of this fight Hydra came to a joke with cheat win.
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Edenmain
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
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Garmon put so much into this tourney and pretty much dedicated his life to it for about 3 months. We were pretty confident of beating anything and knew what most people would be fielding due to spying and other tactics within the game rules.
Would you want some shoddy teams making it to the final who just randomly botch some crap together the night before? No and they wont get there either. Every single thing was perfectly executed due to the preperation.
If you are that upset about this then you should maybe log off and take a break for a bit its only pixels right?
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Icylce
Originally by: salty Milk
so everybody they beat to get to the final counts for what? nothing? did you think this through? of course not.
Seeing as they were able to rigg the final match and make it so obvious probably all bought matches??
Ask Darkside about that.
Outbreak V Darkside is THE MATCH OF AT 9.
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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Romanian Space Explorer ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint . Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up. Please forgive me
IT WILL affect them negatively.. Corruption, metagaming and favoritism within eve is out of hand and is what made me stop watching tournaments, come to fanfests etc.. I am sure there are others that feel like me.. Such a pity.. Rigged matches instead of true bloody deathmatches that would have kept the crowd entertained..
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Xikorita
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
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I don't see any problem at all with the finals. Outbreak clearly won and then gave up the match. I am truly enjoining the tears.
You guys did perfectly to get there, including the metagame and hiding on a WH. The though of scanning them down and putting the freighters in only to be able to test proves that you were simply better than the opposition.
To everyone that is butthurt by this, I remember about stephen king writing an actual ending to dark tower and explaining to people that the journey is what truly matters and not the ending.
CONGRATULATIONS and I look forward the next at =]
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navalny
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Leeloo Malaquin Edited by: Leeloo Malaquin on 19/06/2011 22:23:10 DS vs Outbreak was the real final of this tournament
Will u give second prize in isks/bpc to DS ? and we want rematch!
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Redblade
Reikoku Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Redblade on 19/06/2011 22:31:03 I'm sure the people losing out on there shot at a free high-end graphics card feel that this apology is enough of a compensation ... or not.
As I said in other threads, what was done was a disservice to CCP and the Tourney both, why should people watch next year ? , why would anyone bet on this ?, why would sponsors donate free stuff to be raffled ?
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
[65]
Well played, you worked hard got to the final via solid playing and excellent metagaming, while I really wish you had both pulled out some comedy final matchup, you have done nothing wrong, and there is no need for forgiveness
Once again, well played!
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Zinta Winter
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
[66]
Originally by: navalny
Originally by: Leeloo Malaquin Edited by: Leeloo Malaquin on 19/06/2011 22:23:10 DS vs Outbreak was the real final of this tournament
Will u give second prize in isks/bpc to DS ? and we want rematch!
They still lost
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Dracoliche
Damage Unlimited Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
[67]
Grief.
If the last match was destined to be a joke, I think it could have been done better. Like throw the fight by self destructing to a team of shuttles. Win.
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Dalen Skyard
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
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Here's my take on it.
As a new player, watching this tournament got me really excited to keep playing EVE. Hearing all of the different tactics, the spying, the wormhole use was very very cool.
Then the quarters and semis came around. Some really close matches, lots of cool stuff happening.
Then nothing. One ship calmly taking down people who might as well have been afk. It was boring and made me regret ignoring chores and spending that last hour and a half waiting for the finals.
If CCP's going to go the extra mile and have a nice set, broadcast in HD, have good commentary and tons of extra content, then steps need to be taken to treat it as a tournament, not every day life in EVE. The last thing you want players to feel is blase or annoyed. It was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters without Sweet Georgia Blues, dribble tricks or confetti. Just one team rolling over people does not make for good television.
To be fair, you guys didn't do anything wrong by the rules. But CCP needs to think long and hard about allowing it again. An event, any event, needs to cap with a big final. This was just boring.
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SilKKZ the3rd
Caldari Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Redblade I'm sure the people losing out on there shot at a free high-end graphics card feel that this apology is enough of a compensation ... or not.
As I said in other threads, what was done was a disservice to both CCP and the Tourney both, why should people watch next year ? , why would anyone bet on this ?, why would sponsors donate free stuff to be raffled ?
Exactly, they didnt think of the wider picture!
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Azurialli
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Amber Saint Please forgive me
You have both (Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded) shown to be highly competent in combat. So getting to the finals was nicely done. Just give most of the awards to Outbreak and most Eve players will have no problem.
However it is almost certain now that all the other alliances will now create shadow alliances, this will lead to bad fake fights (good ones are possible) and that will severely hurt the Tournament. Lets hope for the best.
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Edenmain
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[71]
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Epic fail.
Ohh and thanks for making a mockery of the competitons to win graphics cards etc. I estimated Outbreak to win and they clearly did. So not only did you make a bad show if the final, but also of the sponsors and the side comps on the go at the time. So bravo to you. Do I accept the appology no I dont.
No they didn't, we knew what they were going to fly and could have countered it easily. Hydra were always going to win no matter what. Would you be happy if we had done that and just steam rollered them in the final and then you would have felt the same when it all came out in the wash at the end anyway.
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Valzin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[72]
you guys shouldnt have planned **** together to put on some bs show for a final match. Congrats on getting there but shame on all of you for this. I lost alot of isk and im sure alot of other players to.
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Pyrosoft
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
[73]
For everyone thatÆs unhappy about this, you have to understand that EVERYONE involved from HYDRA and Outbreak is just as (if not more) disappointed as folks here that it went down quite like this. There was a plan, and the plan was to have an epic battle at the end with the teams who worked together to get there. Miscommunication caused it to fail slightly.
The top 2 places were decided legitimately, both sides fought their selves to victory against some undeniably great opponents (looking at you DarksideàPL, not so much).
Anyhow, 1 team won, and that team won first and second.
See all yÆall next year.
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Tolund
Caldari Freibeuter.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Rgarcia I think the only thing is you have effected the next tourney. I doubt many will be entering or watching it.
Most matches were indeed entertaining, people will forget the sucking part until next year... I`m sure.
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Gabriel Tenlegall
Gallente Bi'Atch Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
[75]
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
[76]
If you'd really cared about having a good fight you'd have had... a good fight, no matter how it turned out. I'd rather see a quick cakewalk than a long drawn out sham any day.
I could have remembered this final as being a total arse-kicking win. Instead I''ll be remembering it as a dull frustrating end to a night up that I don't wish to repeat. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[77]
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd
Originally by: Redblade I'm sure the people losing out on there shot at a free high-end graphics card feel that this apology is enough of a compensation ... or not.
As I said in other threads, what was done was a disservice to both CCP and the Tourney both, why should people watch next year ? , why would anyone bet on this ?, why would sponsors donate free stuff to be raffled ?
Exactly, they didnt think of the wider picture!
I can speak for myself and myself only, hydra won and i for one wont see the next tournment , why?Because i don¦t give a sh** anymore.Why should the players see some rigged matches?
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[78]
Never apologise for something like this. You just made the best troll so far this yearà I love you for it.
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Edenmain
Garmon put so much into this tourney and pretty much dedicated his life to it for about 3 months. We were pretty confident of beating anything and knew what most people would be fielding due to spying and other tactics within the game rules.
Would you want some shoddy teams making it to the final who just randomly botch some crap together the night before? No and they wont get there either. Every single thing was perfectly executed due to the preperation.
If you are that upset about this then you should maybe log off and take a break for a bit its only pixels right?
I respect the efford you/Garmon and all involved put in and there have been some really skilled fights that you have deserved winnig the tournament for. but not with that final.
you fooled the eve-community and are applauded by those who disrespect the community as well. there is, of course, no obligation to e-honour, because there is none.
But is buying win really the win you wanted? This is the question that Garmon and you have to ask yourselves aside of the pixels - even if it is for his mom ...
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Mr Spice
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Azurialli
Originally by: Amber Saint Please forgive me
You have both (Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded) shown to be highly competent in combat. So getting to the finals was nicely done. Just give most of the awards to Outbreak and most Eve players will have no problem.
However it is almost certain now that all the other alliances will now create shadow alliances, this will lead to bad fake fights (good ones are possible) and that will severely hurt the Tournament. Lets hope for the best.
Why when Garmon oversaw their fittings and tactics? People don't realise they aren't just friends they practiced together everyday.
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Cham Palaung
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Amber Saint After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it
Then you should have self-destruct. And wait... you really have written "because they thought I deserved it" !? what is this comedy of final to satisfy the ego of one person !? You should really have self-destruct...
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thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
[82]
Edited by: thoth rothschild on 19/06/2011 22:36:13
Originally by: Edenmain
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Epic fail.
Ohh and thanks for making a mockery of the competitons to win graphics cards etc. I estimated Outbreak to win and they clearly did. So not only did you make a bad show if the final, but also of the sponsors and the side comps on the go at the time. So bravo to you. Do I accept the appology no I dont.
No they didn't, we knew what they were going to fly and could have countered it easily. Hydra were always going to win no matter what. Would you be happy if we had done that and just steam rollered them in the final and then you would have felt the same when it all came out in the wash at the end anyway.
that is what i would have accepted as a match. i also would have accepted a makeup not visible for the eve-tv viewers but as it was seen was not worth staying up 1 more hour. it's like an arena. the crowd wants to be entertaint. no entertainment no applause.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
[83]
Well done for getting 2 teams to the final, impressed by the metagaming that was done.
This makes eve what it is
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Nix Gravity
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Edenmain We were pretty confident of beating anything and knew what most people would be fielding due to spying and other tactics within the game rules.
See the part I am struggling to understand is everyone going on about how great and representative of the amazing Eve sandbox this victory of the spies is, and I am, in general, a big fan of such antics and have read plenty about the GHSC with smitten-groupie levels of admiration.
But when most of the training and spying takes place on SiSi, in a whole other universe from the Eve sandbox, it raises some questions about how much of anything at all it has to do with Eve.
I think teams should apply and register their participating pilots 3 months in advance, and for those 3 months the signed up pilots should be banned from SiSi: bring the secret practice bouts and the shadow games of the underworld back to New Eden, and many more people would get behind the idea.
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Velora Nyleve
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
[85]
I am so very mad you didn't have Laedy brawl them down with an Utu.
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
[86]
You collectively deserve the same forgiveness given the 8 members of the Chicago White Sox who threw the 1919 World Series. They were banned for life, shamed all the days of their lives.
It's not a personal matter, not a matter of good or bad intentions, or how we might come to understand your motivations.
Your two teams have degraded for ALL, the only "Sport" EVE has. You deserve nothing but shame the rest of your time in EVE.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Edenmain
Garmon put so much into this tourney and pretty much dedicated his life to it for about 3 months. We were pretty confident of beating anything and knew what most people would be fielding due to spying and other tactics within the game rules.
Would you want some shoddy teams making it to the final who just randomly botch some crap together the night before? No and they wont get there either. Every single thing was perfectly executed due to the preperation.
If you are that upset about this then you should maybe log off and take a break for a bit its only pixels right?
This. Garmon really devoted enormous amounts of time and effort to this proving that he is *the* best EVE player. OFC we had many great officers in both Hydra and Outbreak as well and (just) enough of us grunts to come to practices and matches to try and not **** up (which we didn't, until the final...)
IMHO, everyone complaining should also realize the fact that both the AT core of Hydra (mainly Genos) and Outbreak are just 30-40 people all together compared to the hundreds and even thousands of people in the alliances we beat (including PL) ----------
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Juziri
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Edenmain No they didn't, we knew what they were going to fly and could have countered it easily. Hydra were always going to win no matter what. Would you be happy if we had done that and just steam rollered them in the final and then you would have felt the same when it all came out in the wash at the end anyway.
That's why the apology is a joke and I won't accept it. Nice work killing the tournament by setting up the winner in front and totally ****ing up the show-fight.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:38:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Edenmain Would you want some shoddy teams making it to the final who just randomly botch some crap together the night before? No and they wont get there either. Every single thing was perfectly executed due to the preperation.
People don't care that much which teams compete. They want good fights. And if the can't have good fights, they want to feel like the just saw a good fight - no matter if it was rigged.
Originally by: Edenmain If you are that upset about this then you should maybe log off and take a break for a bit its only pixels right?
It was too obviously rigged, that's what the problem is. For all I care just do some super secret rigging stuff for some 20bil in the back room. I don't care. Just give me something that at least looks like some legit fight. For I will never be able to know if it was rigged or not. Just make it seem so and I'm happy.
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Valuial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:39:00 -
[90]
You just ruined the last important ccp event, congratz guys that was very funny to see them avoiding the subject, the only thing that could have been worst is an attack from lulzsec , but no need, you did the job, bomb that will blow next year.
Tango down
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Kavu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:40:00 -
[91]
and without throwing the final HYDRA is still in the final and still gets 2nd place??? or am i just stupid?
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Taross
Caldari Laurentson INC
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:41:00 -
[92]
A well-played troll ending to a well-played alliance tournament from Hydra/Outbreak. I was predicting a more obvious troll ending (like 20 haulers or something) in corp chat.
I have to wonder, was that ever considered? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Joroc Senbel
Caldari Senbel Technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[93]
Either way it was a shared win anyway. I just want to know what the frig prize was.
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Valzin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[94]
What I dont understand is if you guys where going to split the rewards why didnt you just give us a real fight?
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Icylce
Frost Palace
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:42:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Pyrosoft
The top 2 places were decided legitimately, both sides fought their selves to victory against some undeniably great opponents (looking at you DarksideàPL, not so much).
I find that hard to believe after seeing the finals
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Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:43:00 -
[96]
I think a lot of people are forgetting something.
Outbreak and Hydra destroyed everyone in their path, only Darkside came close to stopping one of the teams ( who had just beaten the previous AT winners ).
2 friends meet in the final. Do what you like, job already been done.
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Psyentific
Caldari PrecipiceGames
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:43:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Psyentific on 19/06/2011 22:44:10 Hydra, Outbreak, nobody should be apologizing here. From what I understand, Outbreak is a Hydra splinter alliance, and the fact that you two wound up fighting each other is a testament to not only your skill as pilots, but also to your skills as Eve Players. You won the Eve Alliance Tournament in the most Eve-like way there is.
By fighting, meta-gaming, and being better than everyone else.
I reject your apology. In fact, I applaud you.
Excellent job. Enjoy your ISK, enjoy your ~Fancy Ships~, and enjoy your medals. You earned them today. But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity. |
Usuotas
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:43:00 -
[98]
grats on killing the tournament. Lets guess how many people will be watching the tournament next year... ---------------- Women - can't live with them........the end. - Al Bundy |
Uncle Fester
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:44:00 -
[99]
Engineering a 'good' fight for the final, removing any competative instinct, shame on you.
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Taross
Caldari Laurentson INC
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:45:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Usuotas grats on killing the tournament. Lets guess how many people will be watching the tournament next year...
I sure as hell will be. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
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Hitomi Fargazer
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:45:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Hitomi Fargazer on 19/06/2011 22:46:05
Originally by: Edenmain
But when most of the training and spying takes place on SiSi, in a whole other universe from the Eve sandbox, it raises some questions about how much of anything at all it has to do with Eve.
I think teams should apply and register their participating pilots 3 months in advance, and for those 3 months the signed up pilots should be banned from SiSi: bring the secret practice bouts and the shadow games of the underworld back to New Eden, and many more people would get behind the idea.
by doing that you would basically exclude all but the major spaceholding alliances from taking part in the tournament due to the sheer cost involved... a good tournament setup that has enough setups planned to take them to the finals costs at least 20 billion in ships and hardwirings alone and that is for one time fielding them... if you want to actually train you would have to multiply that number by alot so you'd look at several hundred billion isk alone for training on tranquility
add to that training in T3 ships which would actually loose the pilots SP when blown up and you'd have maybe 4-5 alliances applying OR no training at all which would result in boring matches with **** setups
in any case every team trained on sisi (and if they have not its their own fault really)
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:45:00 -
[102]
lol nice troll...kerrr ching.....as if they really give a feck
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Psyentific
Caldari PrecipiceGames
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Taross
Originally by: Usuotas grats on killing the tournament. Lets guess how many people will be watching the tournament next year...
I sure as hell will be.
As will I. But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity. |
Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
[104]
Apology rejected. Nice troll. 1/10 ----------------------------------------
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D4laqueta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:46:00 -
[105]
Shoulda woulda coulda...
This once/year event had the worst finals ever.
I 'm not even sure i believe your apology is sincere.
Well played though, just another fake thing in this scam-ridden game.
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flapie 2
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:47:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Pesadel0 I can speak for myself and myself only, hydra won and i for one wont see the next tournment , why?Because i don¦t give a sh** anymore.Why should the players see some rigged matches?
Seems the general public like scams and rigged fights. Lets see what next years stream statistics have to say. Cause i, like you are kinda sick of this now, and wont watch next year. Some good matches out there this year no doubt, but seeing as its not just this years fight, but manny others that have "Rigged" or "Scammed" writen all over it for the past years. I wont bother to look unless im sure i get to see fair fights, they way AT was intended to be in the first place.
Just want the finalists to know this is not against you in general, just against the idee as a whole.
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JEK3
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:47:00 -
[107]
"The top 2 places were decided legitimately, both sides fought their selves to victory against some undeniably great opponents"
Sorry, but I don't believe that anymore, not from people doing what you did. Enjoy your victory, but do not expect people to believe what you say anymore. For what I know, you could have bought every single fight, or maybe not, I do nott care, I'm not going to watch next year.
Cheers
Originally by: Pyrosoft For everyone thatÆs unhappy about this, you have to understand that EVERYONE involved from HYDRA and Outbreak is just as (if not more) disappointed as folks here that it went down quite like this. There was a plan, and the plan was to have an epic battle at the end with the teams who worked together to get there. Miscommunication caused it to fail slightly.
The top 2 places were decided legitimately, both sides fought their selves to victory against some undeniably great opponents (looking at you DarksideàPL, not so much).
Anyhow, 1 team won, and that team won first and second.
See all yÆall next year.
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Taross
Caldari Laurentson INC
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:47:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Uncle Fester Engineering a 'good' fight for the final, removing any competative instinct, shame on you.
Sorry, a member of an alliance of exploiters doesn't get to call "shame on you!" on anyone. Go tracking-disrupt your corpmates about it and shut up please. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
lilol' me
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:48:00 -
[109]
your being trolled idiots...
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Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:48:00 -
[110]
Originally by: D4laqueta
Well played though, just another fake thing in this scam-ridden game.
Yeah, guess what... Eve isn't all sweetness and honour. It's like real life, be tough, be smart and look after yourselves.
now quit all your tears, they were better than you all.
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Psyentific
Caldari PrecipiceGames
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:48:00 -
[111]
Originally by: D4laqueta Shoulda woulda coulda...
This once/year event had the worst finals ever.
I 'm not even sure i believe your apology is sincere.
Well played though, just another fake thing in this scam-ridden game.
You mad? Because I think you're mad. Hydra did an excellent job of winning. If you don't want to think of the finals as good, then look at the semi-finals. But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity. |
Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:49:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Amber Saint
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it,
That's what a pair of breasts do to a bunch of guys in a confined environment like a jail... or eve online. Epic troll though 10/10.
--
Originally by: CCP Elais
It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
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Orange Faeces
The Atomik Izlamiks
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:51:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Valzin What I dont understand is if you guys where going to split the rewards why didnt you just give us a real fight?
Because the strongest force at work in this is Garmon's ego. He wants HYDRA on top.
oF ---
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Teala Te'Jir
Amarr Mr. Benjamin Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:53:00 -
[114]
Congrats to both teams. Who cares what others think of say in regards to this, this is EVE, and in EVE never expect the outcome to be as you "assumed" and that is what makes EVE - EVE.
No apology needed.
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Hornet CII
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:53:00 -
[115]
first i sighed wasnt going to be a fight then i laughed because it was engineered so beautifully then i cryed because every one whined. silly humans. i kinda wanted to see every one on either side just micro warp out of the boundry would have been funny oh well see what happens next year.
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D4laqueta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:53:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Psyentific
Originally by: D4laqueta Shoulda woulda coulda...
This once/year event had the worst finals ever.
I 'm not even sure i believe your apology is sincere.
Well played though, just another fake thing in this scam-ridden game.
You mad? Because I think you're mad. Hydra did an excellent job of winning. If you don't want to think of the finals as good, then look at the semi-finals.
And you're a trolling idiot i think. No i am not mad and yes i know THEY are better than me of course, LoL. I am disappointed i didn't watch a nice final... Sportsmanship, anyone?
Excellent job? Look at the semi-finals? Christ. You're so dumb i don't even...
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:53:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
I was mildly disappointed at the final, but expected something like that, given what we'd heard about Hydra and Outbreak.
BUT
CCP haven't given you your prizes yet and trolling the crap out of the forums, straight after CCP Soundwave closed the AT early, without mentioning the final means there might very well be consequences to your actions. Apologising to the disappointed players might seem like a good idea to you to avoid CCP's obvious displeasure, but they might well see it as a further provocation and act accordingly.
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Karah Serrigan
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:53:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Psyentific
Originally by: D4laqueta Shoulda woulda coulda...
This once/year event had the worst finals ever.
I 'm not even sure i believe your apology is sincere.
Well played though, just another fake thing in this scam-ridden game.
You mad? Because I think you're mad. Hydra did an excellent job of winning. If you don't want to think of the finals as good, then look at the semi-finals.
Whats wrong with being mad? Bad troll, bad.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:55:00 -
[119]
We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand? ____________________________________________
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:55:00 -
[120]
Edited by: salty Milk on 19/06/2011 22:55:45
Originally by: Tech two I think a lot of people are forgetting something.
Outbreak and Hydra destroyed everyone in their path, only Darkside came close to stopping one of the teams ( who had just beaten the previous AT winners ).
2 friends meet in the final. Do what you like, job already been done.
bravo
I have it on good authority that Gavjack Bunk who was in the cormorant verus Negative 10 trained and practised nothing for 2 months EXCEPT flying a cormorant with the specific purpose of mopping up drones. He had to perform that role better than somebody else who also trained for it, albeit not quite as intensely. So that he could fly in one match, and one match only, for a role that almost nobody would have noticed had kil2 not noticed, which he knew all along that was what he was doing.
Everybody in Outbreak, Hydra and all of the other quality opponents who brought the tournament EARNED their places through the kind of efforts most Eve players wouldn't even begin to understand. Even gavjack bunk who spent 5 hours a day, everyday training to smartbomb drones has not the slightest understanding of the herculean effort put in by the other Hydra members, Outbreak similarly.
Anybody with a bad word for any of the competitors technical and combat skills is wrong and will remain wrong, eternally.
Criticise the final by all means, but never criticise the skill and the effort.
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Dalketh
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:55:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Taross
Originally by: Usuotas grats on killing the tournament. Lets guess how many people will be watching the tournament next year...
I sure as hell will be.
I will as well, I mean this wasn't CCP's fault... however I certainly won't watch any match with these 'two different' teams in it again. You wasted 30,000 people's time not to mention damaging CCP's reputation when (lets face it) they really don't need that right now. I felt very sorry for the panel when they were cut too after that match was over. They did so well and then THAT right at the end.
Yahyah 'its Eve at its best (worst)'... whatever... it was sad.
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Jean'Luc Pi card
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:56:00 -
[122]
Well, what i learned in eve so far is, that one of the higher goals of this game is to **** people off. you scam them, you canflip them, you hulkageddon them, you hotdrop them and so on. but when hydra does **** off 20k internet spaceship lovers at once the hate cascade of the 'though' guys starts. gooood job hydra. all the whiners go play hello kitty online.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:56:00 -
[123]
Well this is just great....
Just been raving away about the unsportsmanship, and disrespect, and blablabla in another thread and you go ahead and do this so i have to respect you again....
Crap...
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:56:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
Why not letting the best PART of the team win?
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D4laqueta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:57:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Bomberlocks I was mildly disappointed at the final, but expected something like that, given what we'd heard about Hydra and Outbreak.
BUT
CCP haven't given you your prizes yet and trolling the crap out of the forums, straight after CCP Soundwave closed the AT early, without mentioning the final means there might very well be consequences to your actions. Apologising to the disappointed players might seem like a good idea to you to avoid CCP's obvious displeasure, but they might well see it as a further provocation and act accordingly.
You know what would make this whole thing fun? If CCP paid them with the same coin and said "HA you're also scammed buddies, no prizes for you".
****z and gigglez ;p
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:57:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
Any players who were dualboxing in both teams? Simple yes/no would be enough for me.
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thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:58:00 -
[127]
I have no problem with metagaming, i too have no problem with deals during the alliance tournament, but...
Learn from TV. Do entertain me and all the other people who stayed up late. Make all your deals behind the scenes and make it look like a real fight.
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D4laqueta
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:59:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Yeo San
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
Why not letting the best PART of the team win?
OR how about join as ONE team if you're ONE team.
So we can see the finals between TWO teams and not just ONE, like in pretty much EVERY sport or tourney or league or you name it.
Nice try, but please...
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Garekell
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:00:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Pyrosoft
There was a plan... Miscommunication caused it to fail slightly.
A 'miscommunication' my ass. A miscommunication that dragged on for 10 MINUTES????
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Karles
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:00:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Jean'Luc Pi card Well, what i learned in eve so far is, that one of the higher goals of this game is to **** people off. you scam them, you canflip them, you hulkageddon them, you hotdrop them and so on. but when hydra does **** off 20k internet spaceship lovers at once the hate cascade of the 'though' guys starts. gooood job hydra. all the whiners go play hello kitty online.
Is this your reccomendation card for your application to Hydra? Because if you think that eve is this, you should be joining them right now. Several thousands of players do not think this is what eve is ment to be.
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Bastet Aiona
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:00:00 -
[131]
Originally by: salty Milk
Originally by: Icylce
Originally by: salty Milk
so everybody they beat to get to the final counts for what? nothing? did you think this through? of course not.
Seeing as they were able to rigg the final match and make it so obvious probably all bought matches??
Ask Darkside about that.
Outbreak V Darkside is THE MATCH OF AT 9.
Agreed, rematch Darkside. VS Razor for tournament winners.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:00:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/06/2011 23:01:30
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
If this were true, I would have expected you guys to simply agree to split the AT rewards down the middle and have a brawl of it. It's not like you guys don't enjoy a good fight.
Ed: And no, I'm not bitter about the 50M ISK to whoever the hell I lost it to. More annoyed that you dragged Outbreak's name through the mud unnecessarily. There were so many ways to accomplish the same goal without ****ing around. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Kara Sandorn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:01:00 -
[133]
nevertheless, this is **** CCP should give the 2nd prize to DarkSide. |
Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:02:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Kara Sandorn nevertheless, this is **** CCP should give the 2nd prize to DarkSide.
why, they lost?
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K'Daai
Mensa.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:02:00 -
[135]
Eve player always wine about everything, especially on the forums. Your apologies are either a troll attempt or genuine but either way they acomplish nothing directed at the players.
Personally I really don't care, doesn't affect me either way.
You should however apologize to CCP for making a mockery of all their hard work by transforming the finals into a circlejerk. |
Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:03:00 -
[136]
In the end you had the balls to apologize for that epic fail fight. But still.. yeah, I consider that you made it this far, and beat out a lot of other teams to get there, and I think job well done on all those previous fights. But then I think, "what were 2 teams this closely tied doing in the alliance tournament together in the first place?"
Who else could have filled that slot, instead of putting what amounted to two teams fielded by the same alliance in the tournament in the first place?
And then you've got players making calls on who is going to win the final, for a chance to win a GTX 580, and it turns out the final match was so badly fixed, any entry was equally valid as any other. Should have just voted Hydra Reloaded + Outbreak. If I'd known you guys were practically flying each others ships or dual boxing both sides, I would have.
That's what made it so sad. Good work getting there though, and I suppose the winner is truly irrelevant in cases like this. Good show; you're forgiven.
Mostly.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:04:00 -
[137]
Originally by: D4laqueta
Originally by: Yeo San
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
Why not letting the best PART of the team win?
OR how about join as ONE team if you're ONE team.
So we can see the finals between TWO teams and not just ONE, like in pretty much EVERY sport or tourney or league or you name it.
Nice try, but please...
You actually got to see TWO finals instead of one
BoB and PL have won the tournament 3 times each. We, on the other hand, have managed to win both first and second place.
One team, Two alliances, Two A-teams. ____________________________________________
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Edenmain
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:04:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/06/2011 23:01:30
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
If this were true, I would have expected you guys to simply agree to split the AT rewards down the middle and have a brawl of it. It's not like you guys don't enjoy a good fight.
Ed: And no, I'm not bitter about the 50M ISK to whoever the hell I lost it to. More annoyed that you dragged Outbreak's name through the mud unnecessarily. There were so many ways to accomplish the same goal without ****ing around.
Erm we did? The sleip team easily won, and as Garmon is Hydra and he engineered this we let Hydra win. The vindi's were crapper than we thought and if it had gone the other way no one would have noticed I presume?
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Futar Csav0
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:04:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
Like the viewesrs care, why not fight it properly and let the better part of the team win on the screens, if you are ONE TEAM the prices are shared anyways and would have made the masses happy too... EVE Tourney it's a show and you just ruined it and turned a away alot of ppl for next year. Good job, also you ruined the hard work EVE TV crew put in the show.
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Ashley Judd
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:05:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Ashley Judd on 19/06/2011 23:06:40 Everything we do ends in controversy. I appreciate how some viewers don't agree with the finals. The outcome wasn't exactly what we had planned. The fact that our teams' greatest source of ideas and tactics apologized for the performance says something. Here are the facts:
We love Outbreak We love our pilots Everyone involved worked their asses off The above, all over again.
Pilots (Laedy being one of them) were waking up at 4 AM to come to a 3 hour practice, going to sleep the next night, and doing it again. The logistics effort involved in keeping a wormhole up and running for 10v10 tests on Singularity is simply enormous. Our opponents, being the great players that they are, made our spying job very difficult. We had dedicated pilots working around the clock to feed us intel.
For those of you players out there whining about fixes and legitimacy, I have one thing to say:
Get two teams to the finals of the same alliance tournament, then talk to me.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:06:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
This.
We pulled a double win, I'm super proud of that.
We failed to entertain in the final (even though we intended to), I'm sorry and ashamed of that.
But in the end I'm really proud of what Garmon(Amber Saint/ El'Tar) and everyone working for Hydrabreak pulled off today. ----------
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thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:06:00 -
[142]
Edited by: thoth rothschild on 19/06/2011 23:06:45
Originally by: Edenmain
Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/06/2011 23:01:30
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
If this were true, I would have expected you guys to simply agree to split the AT rewards down the middle and have a brawl of it. It's not like you guys don't enjoy a good fight.
Ed: And no, I'm not bitter about the 50M ISK to whoever the hell I lost it to. More annoyed that you dragged Outbreak's name through the mud unnecessarily. There were so many ways to accomplish the same goal without ****ing around.
Erm we did? The sleip team easily won, and as Garmon is Hydra and he engineered this we let Hydra win. The vindi's were crapper than we thought and if it had gone the other way no one would have noticed I presume?
you finally saw the big picture why there are so many people upset currently. WE DID NOTICE IT!
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BondGamer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:06:00 -
[143]
Are you sorry enough to forfeit your prizes?
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:09:00 -
[144]
Originally by: BondGamer Are you sorry enough to forfeit your prizes?
Are you serious enough to fight us for them in the tourney format? Maybe once per alliance, win both, get prizes? |
Helena Russell Makanen
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:09:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Karles
Originally by: Jean'Luc Pi card Well, what i learned in eve so far is, that one of the higher goals of this game is to **** people off. you scam them, you canflip them, you hulkageddon them, you hotdrop them and so on. but when hydra does **** off 20k internet spaceship lovers at once the hate cascade of the 'though' guys starts. gooood job hydra. all the whiners go play hello kitty online.
Is this your reccomendation card for your application to Hydra? Because if you think that eve is this, you should be joining them right now. Several thousands of players do not think this is what eve is ment to be.
More than several thousand. Yes jerks in the game are allowed to be jerks, and they do it because at heart they ARE jerks.
Don't lump everyone else into that category or act like it's the right way to be. |
Wedding Peach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:10:00 -
[146]
It was a lame end, I felt, but what can I do?
Just be disappointed, work it off and return to my daily dirty deeds. |
Nocte Katelo
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:10:00 -
[147]
To paraphrase the words of a female alliance mate in ts, it's sad that the effort was made to give a shout out to female Eve players at the beginning, only to have the event end in everyone rolling over, making a joke of the fight, and "letting the girl win". It really undermined the message. |
Redblade
Reikoku Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:11:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Ashley Judd Get two teams to the finals of the same alliance tournament, then talk to me.
Not enough room in the tourney, don't think the "we are as one" approach is doing you any favors here as some didn't even get one spot, you took up two spots and made a mockery of the final.
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Fer DeLance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:11:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
Excuse me, if i understood correctly you apologize because you failed to stage it in a better way? lol.... That's the mentality... |
Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:12:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: BondGamer Are you sorry enough to forfeit your prizes?
Are you serious enough to fight us for them in the tourney format? Maybe once per alliance, win both, get prizes?
they were, but they went out in qualifying! |
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GambbiT
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:16:00 -
[151]
i my opinion this just show what a fail this tournament , and it started with the epic fail draw of team , i thx u CCP for fail and still got me to pay the subscrition
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evilBunny
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:18:00 -
[152]
Edited by: evilBunny on 19/06/2011 23:19:17 Gz out loaded :)
the semi's were the finals we got 2. to all the whining / whinerz you could have stopped them if you fought them and won so *cheers*.
it was all fair :D
ps: to above post omfg you make me sad hahaha did you pilot in at9 ???? you pay subs for a freetv event????? at != eve its for the lulz Bunnies 4tw |
Second Prize
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:19:00 -
[153]
Haha, now you can't even display your decoration for winning the tournament with pride.
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Helena Russell Makanen
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:20:00 -
[154]
Thanks for the apology, however given what you did one has to wonder if it is sincere. Possibilities:
1) You messed up and are sorry because you didn't THINK about the ramifications of what you were doing.
2) From the total silence of the CCP panel after the match you realize you have displeased them (greatly) and stupidly think some dramatic public apology will make everything ok.
Either way - fail.
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Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:20:00 -
[155]
I loved this tournament as with all of the previous tournaments. The bittersweet tears from those who emotionally invested in inferior teams is also rather delicious and while I am writing this I am licking those tears off my screen and orgasming pure rainbows.
Yes, people will be disappointed at the final and the meta-gaming that occurred to get it there. Yet they will still celebrate meta-gaming in other areas and fail to recognise their own hypocrisy.
In fact, let's see what happened here. The team captain of Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded was one and the same. Yes, one captain and two teams with total agreement of both teams. They defeated all of the other teams which is no mean feat and something of a massive triumph. Especially considering how easily that operation could itself have been meta-gamed.
A chap called Garmon who's mother keeps watch on his router in the basement beat all comers and yet the vast intellect of all of the other players in Eve cannot beat this. If you truly devalue Garmon then you should be ashamed of yourselves. If you don't want to be ashamed then you should do better yourselves next year and shut up until then.
He achieved what others didn't by using well established Eve Online values and knew the actual game to achieve an end result that was favourable to him and the teams he represented. Whining about it is just embarrassing yourself.
While the result was what I thought it would be in our last podcast episode, the reasons are a little different. I was fully expecting sone sort of Pandemic Legion bartering for the final winning position after HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion beat all others into the final.
While I was wrong on that count, you have to recognise the hard work involved in not only getting one team to the final, but navigating all of the other matches, managing the metagaming and getting two there.
Thank you to all who took part, team captains and grunts and thank you to all of the CCP people involved. Another winner and another Alliance Tourney done. Starfleet Comms Podcast Your journey through the Eve Universe! |
Taross
Caldari Laurentson INC
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:22:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Max Torps I loved this tournament as with all of the previous tournaments. The bittersweet tears from those who emotionally invested in inferior teams is also rather delicious and while I am writing this I am licking those tears off my screen and orgasming pure rainbows.
Yes, people will be disappointed at the final and the meta-gaming that occurred to get it there. Yet they will still celebrate meta-gaming in other areas and fail to recognise their own hypocrisy.
In fact, let's see what happened here. The team captain of Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded was one and the same. Yes, one captain and two teams with total agreement of both teams. They defeated all of the other teams which is no mean feat and something of a massive triumph. Especially considering how easily that operation could itself have been meta-gamed.
A chap called Garmon who's mother keeps watch on his router in the basement beat all comers and yet the vast intellect of all of the other players in Eve cannot beat this. If you truly devalue Garmon then you should be ashamed of yourselves. If you don't want to be ashamed then you should do better yourselves next year and shut up until then.
He achieved what others didn't by using well established Eve Online values and knew the actual game to achieve an end result that was favourable to him and the teams he represented. Whining about it is just embarrassing yourself.
While the result was what I thought it would be in our last podcast episode, the reasons are a little different. I was fully expecting sone sort of Pandemic Legion bartering for the final winning position after HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion beat all others into the final.
While I was wrong on that count, you have to recognise the hard work involved in not only getting one team to the final, but navigating all of the other matches, managing the metagaming and getting two there.
Thank you to all who took part, team captains and grunts and thank you to all of the CCP people involved. Another winner and another Alliance Tourney done.
How many threads will you spam this in? There's a couple on other forums that don't have it yet... :) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:22:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Second Prize Haha, now you can't even display your decoration for winning the tournament with pride.
No, I will proudly toss my gold medal beside my silver medal and think good thoughts of Shadoo and Raivi, and do a prayer for Shamis. ----------
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Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:22:00 -
[158]
I'm not sure. It's like a game of whack a mole. Starfleet Comms Podcast Your journey through the Eve Universe! |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:22:00 -
[159]
Forum topic is not an proper apology for ruining the whole event. How about you just trash all Vangel and Malice BPCs?
You know some girls can work out for new sport cars only with their mouth, but this will not make them respectable or not disgusting, even if they will apologize for this for the rest of their lives. Your alliances are just the same. Dont spit on the community or you will drown from response
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:23:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Edenmain Erm we did? The sleip team easily won, and as Garmon is Hydra and he engineered this we let Hydra win. The vindi's were crapper than we thought and if it had gone the other way no one would have noticed I presume?
See, the thing that really caused the problem is that it was obviously a thrown fight. I'm actually curious about those Vindis... what the hell gives with them sucking so bad at point blank range? You guys should have been taking the next best thing to 3500 DPS, and that Scim can only rep ~2k with a good resist pattern.
And yes, I do respect the effort and dedication fielding *two* AT teams is. Mad props, and congrats. But next time just royal rumble for us and worry about the official victory later. ;-)
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Salomei
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:25:00 -
[161]
Thank you so much for the apology! It gives me pride to fly in the same universe as people with such a sincere and persistent commitment to drawing rage tears from those who think this is just a video game.
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HTFU, people! The internets have been leaking for some time. Love EVE for what it is, not what you'd like it to be. It hasn't been just about the internet spaceships for ages!
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Rayce Farelle
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:30:00 -
[162]
What really ****es me off is that fact that SOO many people has the 'ends justify the means' attitude. Thinking, that oh both of the 'hydra teams' got to the final, all is done. it is a bloody disgrace that it was handled like this, when you have hard-working and more deserving alliances out there- Darkside, RvB RED, Paisti just a few examples. Fair dos, Hydra and Outbreak fought to the final, and did well, but didnt deserve the final.
Metagaming and generally shallow behaviour will always be a part of the alliance tournament, and always have been, but even when there is a certainty that a particular entity will win, you still treat the tournament and all opponents with respect and honour. YOU GUYS SHAT ALL OVER THAT.
I have just heard that Rory McIllroy, has demolished everyone in the US open (17 under par- which is HUGE) but he doesnt run around naked with a comedy blow up golf club throwing the golf balls around does he?
If Hydra/Outbreak partnership really was sorry, they would give up their prizes, but who am i kidding, they won't. The tournament is just an isk investment to people like this. Nothing matters apart from PROFIT, and it makes me sick. I think ppl will agree, that yes, Garmon, Hydra and Outbreak were the most skilled in metagaimng, pewing, strategists BUT are they the best. **** no!
Rayce
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:32:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen Thanks for the apology, however given what you did one has to wonder if it is sincere. Possibilities:
1) You messed up and are sorry because you didn't THINK about the ramifications of what you were doing.
2) From the total silence of the CCP panel after the match you realize you have displeased them (greatly) and stupidly think some dramatic public apology will make everything ok.
Either way - fail.
Yes, anyone who thinks this wasn't a huge blow to EVE and to CCP -- anyone who thinks the adolescent troll standard of "all's fair if you get away with it" is the final judgement -- just needs to play the end of the tourney again and look at the faces of the CCP panel. At the very least, there's going to be some explaining to do to their new rich uncles at Sony, as this looks like no way to attract new players and crack EVE's long-time ceiling.
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Johanna Hilanen
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:33:00 -
[164]
best teams won, end match was boring.
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Christina Carter
Caldari Northwest Passage
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:37:00 -
[165]
I was tought at a young age that competition brings out the best in people. I was tought this in little league and although I had friends that were on an opposing team, they were well aware that I was going to give it my all. When stepping onto the field of battle, friendship goes right out the window. Win or lose, I knew that I did my best which gave me a sense of personal honor, pride, and self worth. Today's display was a joke on all those who watched. Not only did you lose respect for yourselves, but the respect of many of your fellow players.
As the comentators said repeatedly today...too little too late
Peace
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Chesty Leroux
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:39:00 -
[166]
you poor frickin babies, too stupid to even fight right. the whole of eve should WD your dumb asses. go cry to mommy cause your feelings are hurt no one thought your crap was funny.
go die.
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Helena Russell Makanen
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:39:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Helena Russell Makanen on 19/06/2011 23:39:18
Originally by: Johanna Hilanen best teams won, end match was boring.
You mean 'best team' won not teams don't you?
It takes two 'teams' to truly fight a match. What we saw was simple mastur bation.
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Soraya Esil
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:40:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Christina Carter I was tought at a young age that competition brings out the best in people. I was tought this in little league and although I had friends that were on an opposing team, they were well aware that I was going to give it my all. When stepping onto the field of battle, friendship goes right out the window. Win or lose, I knew that I did my best which gave me a sense of personal honor, pride, and self worth. Today's display was a joke on all those who watched. Not only did you lose respect for yourselves, but the respect of many of your fellow players.
As the comentators said repeatedly today...too little too late
Peace
this
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Electra GaafCramo
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:40:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Edenmain
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Epic fail.
Ohh and thanks for making a mockery of the competitons to win graphics cards etc. I estimated Outbreak to win and they clearly did. So not only did you make a bad show if the final, but also of the sponsors and the side comps on the go at the time. So bravo to you. Do I accept the appology no I dont.
No they didn't, we knew what they were going to fly and could have countered it easily. Hydra were always going to win no matter what. Would you be happy if we had done that and just steam rollered them in the final and then you would have felt the same when it all came out in the wash at the end anyway.
You are kind of contradicting the OP. How come?
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:40:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Raimo on 19/06/2011 23:41:38
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen Edited by: Helena Russell Makanen on 19/06/2011 23:39:18
Originally by: Johanna Hilanen best teams won, end match was boring.
You mean 'best team' won not teams don't you?
It takes two 'teams' to truly fight a match. What we saw was simple mastur bation.
But see, you got it - one team, just happened to win already in the semifinals.
BTW, PL tried to do this exact same thing - and failed. Tho, they probably would have managed to concentrate in the final for a better show. Bad luck for EVE there. ----------
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Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:41:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Christina Carter I was tought at a young age that competition brings out the best in people. I was tought this in little league and although I had friends that were on an opposing team, they were well aware that I was going to give it my all. When stepping onto the field of battle, friendship goes right out the window. Win or lose, I knew that I did my best which gave me a sense of personal honor, pride, and self worth. Today's display was a joke on all those who watched. Not only did you lose respect for yourselves, but the respect of many of your fellow players.
As the comentators said repeatedly today...too little too late
Peace
I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:43:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Max Torps I loved this tournament as with all of the previous tournaments. The bittersweet tears from those who emotionally invested in inferior teams is also rather delicious and while I am writing this I am licking those tears off my screen and orgasming pure rainbows.
There is just something deeply wrong somewhere........
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:45:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Rastino Never apologise for something like this. You just made the best troll so far this yearà I love you for it.
I love Test Alliance ... you dudes have perspective. Michael BoltonIII was a great voice for you guys during the Tourney.
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Tichu Tilyon
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:46:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Raimo Edited by: Raimo on 19/06/2011 23:41:38
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen Edited by: Helena Russell Makanen on 19/06/2011 23:39:18
Originally by: Johanna Hilanen best teams won, end match was boring.
You mean 'best team' won not teams don't you?
It takes two 'teams' to truly fight a match. What we saw was simple mastur bation.
But see, you got it - one team, just happened to win already in the semifinals.
BTW, PL tried to do this exact same thing - and failed. Tho, they probably would have managed to concentrate in the final for a better show. Bad luck for EVE there.
Too bad you don't see the bigger picture, or don't want too.
The EVE tourney is a TV Show too. And you failed horribly to entertain it's viewers thus make void EVE TV's crew hard work put in to this show.
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:47:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Kagumichan I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Name one other sport in which throwing a game is counted an acceptable way to "prove friendship," much less an honorable way to play before a public audience.
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:49:00 -
[176]
All of you guys and teams have done excellent stuff despite some tricked matches for "x" or "y", but this is Eve.
I must say the last match was a little deception from what I was expecting from those awesome pilots: skill and teeth until the last standing ship
This said, I had tons of fun watching you guys on Eve-tv.
Hope next year meta games or arrangements are somehow excluded but it's Eve so, I just "hope" and hope is fine
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:50:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Kagumichan I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Name one other sport in which throwing a game is counted an acceptable way to "prove friendship," much less an honorable way to play before a public audience.
Professional Hugging.
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Pawnee
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:51:00 -
[178]
You do not need to apologize. You did it. You showed your real face. It is ok.
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Christina Carter
Caldari Northwest Passage
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:53:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Kagumichan
I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Sorry, I thought this was a tournament and not just some misunderstanding. If you want to be Pro then you need to act like one durring a tournament.
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:54:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Swynet on 19/06/2011 23:54:52
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Kagumichan I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Name one other sport in which throwing a game is counted an acceptable way to "prove friendship," much less an honorable way to play before a public audience.
Football boxe rugby tennis golf F1 and so on? -well these I'm naming don't do it for friendship but for cash, I rather like the friendship excuse.
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Jenny Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:54:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Jenny Ho on 19/06/2011 23:54:48
Originally by: Amber Saint
... Please forgive me
Forgiven. Thanks. I hope this never happens again. I was bummed out within 5 minutes.
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:56:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Kagumichan I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Name one other sport in which throwing a game is counted an acceptable way to "prove friendship," much less an honorable way to play before a public audience.
Professional Hugging.
Right you are: World Wide Federation Wrestling. Guess I should have put more qualifiers in front of "sport."
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Riggs Droput
Mad Bombers Guns and Alcohol
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:57:00 -
[183]
Congrats to Outbreak and Hydra for making it to the final. The 2 best teams out there, most of these angry posters seem to forget all the other match's that were not meta gamed between buddies, which you both were able to perform like the champions you are.
Saying that I expected that type of outcome for the final. Previous experience and the knowledge of how Hydra can be from time to time that ending did not surprise me one bit.
Good show both of you, I love the tears that follow your shared win!
Riggs
I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees |
I Love Boobies
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:58:00 -
[184]
I find it interesting that the winner of the graphics card was once in a corp that had been in Hydra Reloaded in the past.
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Garekell
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:58:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Pawnee
You do not need to apologize. You did it. You showed your real face. It is ok.
Don't worry I don't think the apology was for real.
Anyone seeing the looks on the CCP panel's faces right after their co-called match, and how they completely ignored even saying one word about the match, spoke volumes.
They were stupid, and are still being stupid by thinking a flowery public apology in the forums makes it all better.
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Krispy Dingo
Minmatar The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:59:00 -
[186]
It's a bloody game, people, stop being so butt hurt. While I missed the final, I'll be sure and watch it on YouTube to see what all the QQing is about. _____________________________ http://twitter.com/krispydingo http://krispydingo.com |
Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:59:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 19/06/2011 23:54:52
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Kagumichan I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Name one other sport in which throwing a game is counted an acceptable way to "prove friendship," much less an honorable way to play before a public audience.
Football boxe rugby tennis golf F1 and so on? -well these I'm naming don't do it for friendship but for cash, I rather like the friendship excuse.
Yes, you have a point there. Like the 1919 Chicago White Sox, banned for life for throwing the World Series to show their "friendship" for the bookies who took all those bets on them. How much and whose ISK traded hands on this final match?
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:00:00 -
[188]
Originally by: I Love Boobies I find it interesting that the winner of the graphics card was once in a corp that had been in Hydra Reloaded in the past.
Oh cool he was also the only person to bet on Hydra winning and there totally wasn't about 200 corps in Hydra at one point. ----
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:01:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Greniard on 20/06/2011 00:01:34
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 19/06/2011 23:54:52
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Kagumichan I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Name one other sport in which throwing a game is counted an acceptable way to "prove friendship," much less an honorable way to play before a public audience.
Football boxe rugby tennis golf F1 and so on? -well these I'm naming don't do it for friendship but for cash, I rather like the friendship excuse.
Yes, you have a point there. Like the 1919 Chicago White Sox, banned for life for throwing the World Series to show their "friendship" for the bookies who took all those bets on them. How much and whose ISK traded hands on this final match?
These sock-people should've been more careful with the paper trail then if it's not allowed. I'm sure eve players would've managed to pull that off.
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Dalketh
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:06:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Krispy Dingo It's a bloody game, people, stop being so butt hurt. While I missed the final, I'll be sure and watch it on YouTube to see what all the QQing is about.
Spoken like a truly intelligent person... stating people are over-reacting and shouldn't be expressing their opinions, then admitting they don't even know anything about the subject or what occurred.
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:07:00 -
[191]
You tried too hard to make a good fight. You failed trying and I'm dissappoint.
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Bengul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:08:00 -
[192]
This whole 'we are one team' rubbish, is that supposed to make people happier that you rigged, badly at that, the final? Or give you guys some bewildering redemption or validation?
For a game, you guys take it way too serious, but meh that's up to you. Keep the new pixel ships and pixel medals, other serious EVE players wont ever let you guys forget it and though you probably don't care now, over time you probably will.
For the hardcore EVE player & CCP, this was a kick in the teeth and you lost respect, but seeing as I am a part time player these days, I personally, am just amused how serious you lot (EVE community and the feeble finalists) take all this stuff.
But I disgress
NOTE - After the final, no one in the EVE TV studio made any reference to the final itself....at all. Not in anyway, shape or form. That tells you all you need to know, right?
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:08:00 -
[193]
Hopefully you split the prize with Outbreak for swallowing your load.
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Avraham Avinu
Children of Noah
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:16:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys...
That's Eve. Don't worry about. However, a good slug fest would have been cool.
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:18:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Bengul NOTE - After the final, no one in the EVE TV studio made any reference to the final itself....at all. Not in anyway, shape or form. That tells you all you need to know, right?
Yep, and what they know that's not being discussed here is that their real headache from this begins next summer as CCP tries to ramp up general public buzz about EVE for DUST. This pretty much kicks one leg out from under their PR stool, as they can't then publicize their glorious annual tournament without letting fly from all directions the story of this lame thrown final.
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REQUIEMSORN
Anakites
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:20:00 -
[196]
OMG MY EPIC PEW. I NOW HAVE TO GO TRY TO BE ELITE MYSELF SINCE THE ALLIANC TOURNAMENT WAS RIGGED! I DIDN'T SEE EPIC PVP AND NOW MUST RELY ON MYSELF TO ENJOY THE GAME!!!!! DAMN YOU HYDRA!! |
5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:22:00 -
[197]
how about next time you come to grips with the fact that giving us a good show is not your ****in job, your job is to kill or die.
while certainly lulsworthy the damage you guys have done to the AT and those involved with it is not.
I would suggest next time you not do us (the viewers) any more favors and also check your colossal ego at the door. theres a time and a place for this stuff. ------------------------------------------------ There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers just exactly what the universe is for and why we are here, that it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Then there is a theory which states that this has already happened. á á -Douglas Adams
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Antsy Ellecon
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:27:00 -
[198]
Props on the metagaming, brilliantly done and completly in style with the EVE sandbox that we all know and love
but
the EVE sandbox and the EVE alliance tournament should be 2 completly different things, all is fair in the sandbox but should not be in a Tournament, a tournament is mainly for the spectators and should be regulated by rules and enforced by consequenses that prevents things like this to happen in the future.
i also found it funny that nobody in the panel talked alot about the final fight, they where more like, "i hope this gets forgotten, soon" :P
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ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:27:00 -
[199]
For everything that was planned, we had alot of respect for all our opponents and as such didnt talk about anything but the match at hand. No one dared speculate the "what if's" of a few matches down the road. So the last match although penciled in as a dramatic finale went pear shaped through no planning/jinxing. Sorry.
The real final for us was most definatley the one versus Darkside, those guys are really something else! Thats the fight that had us screaming on ts the most!
This was our first attempt at AT and with some superb corp leadership and guidance from Garmon along with training alongside HYDRA. I am proud of what we've achieved today.
I'd like to extend all our respect to all the teams we fought to achieve what we did, you guys never made anything easy.
till next year...
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:28:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 19/06/2011 23:54:52
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Kagumichan I'd say that they proved friendship is more valuable to them than victory, they didn't lose respect, they just earned it.
Name one other sport in which throwing a game is counted an acceptable way to "prove friendship," much less an honorable way to play before a public audience.
Football boxe rugby tennis golf F1 and so on? -well these I'm naming don't do it for friendship but for cash, I rather like the friendship excuse.
Yes, you have a point there. Like the 1919 Chicago White Sox, banned for life for throwing the World Series to show their "friendship" for the bookies who took all those bets on them. How much and whose ISK traded hands on this final match?
Well this is EVE, even friendship has a price
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Cozmo
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:30:00 -
[201]
I saw some idiot comparing himself to BOB and PL. Your a fool and an idiot, your "achievement" pales in comparision. Your practically nothing.
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Fireglade
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:34:00 -
[202]
Edited by: Fireglade on 20/06/2011 00:34:32
Originally by: ScoRpS For everything that was planned, we had alot of respect for all our opponents and as such didnt talk about anything but the match at hand. No one dared speculate the "what if's" of a few matches down the road. So the last match although penciled in as a dramatic finale went pear shaped through no planning/jinxing. Sorry.
The real final for us was most definatley the one versus Darkside, those guys are really something else! Thats the fight that had us screaming on ts the most!
This was our first attempt at AT and with some superb corp leadership and guidance from Garmon along with training alongside HYDRA. I am proud of what we've achieved today.
I'd like to extend all our respect to all the teams we fought to achieve what we did, you guys never made anything easy.
till next year...
Well there the ego goes and blows itself up again....
That match against Darkside was the final for YOU... Not for the 28.000 people watching.
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Shiroi Okami
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:37:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Cozmo I saw some idiot comparing himself to BOB and PL. Your a fool and an idiot, your "achievement" pales in comparision. Your practically nothing.
You sound upset that 'nothing' knocked out all the other teams in the tournament ------
My latest pvp video - Freestyle |
DeepfriedTator
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:38:00 -
[204]
forget apologizing.. yall did great to get to the end and if everyone is buthurt about it they should have made it to the finals. Grats on doing great throughout the tourney
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:40:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
No.
Having my intellect insulted by some skank is not something I consider too forgivable...I want my bandwidth and time back, btw.
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Futar Csav0
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:41:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami
Originally by: Cozmo I saw some idiot comparing himself to BOB and PL. Your a fool and an idiot, your "achievement" pales in comparision. Your practically nothing.
You sound upset that 'nothing' knocked out all the other teams in the tournament
And like anyone would care right now without the EVE TV stream? You just ruined their hard work by not delivering a good show in the finals and upsed alot viewers whom most likely won't watch the tourney next year.
Even though you share the prices for both 1st/2nd place for some reason you just choose to make a joke out of the final.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:42:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Rgarcia Well, didn't expect you to apologize but at least you faked that more convincingly. Good show.
Fixed that for you.
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robbyx
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:44:00 -
[208]
Originally by: ScoRpS For everything that was planned, we had alot of respect for all our opponents and as such didnt talk about anything but the match at hand. No one dared speculate the "what if's" of a few matches down the road. So the last match although penciled in as a dramatic finale went pear shaped through no planning/jinxing. Sorry.
The real final for us was most definatley the one versus Darkside, those guys are really something else! Thats the fight that had us screaming on ts the most!
This was our first attempt at AT and with some superb corp leadership and guidance from Garmon along with training alongside HYDRA. I am proud of what we've achieved today.
I'd like to extend all our respect to all the teams we fought to achieve what we did, you guys never made anything easy.
till next year...
Bulls**t...you and your little bum chums bought your way through the tournament and into the final, your little stage fight in the final just went wrong, someone forgot his lines..hard to come to any other conclusion.
To xDEATH...please just buy the tournament next year.
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Cozmo
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:44:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami
Originally by: Cozmo I saw some idiot comparing himself to BOB and PL. Your a fool and an idiot, your "achievement" pales in comparision. Your practically nothing.
You sound upset that 'nothing' knocked out all the other teams in the tournament
No not at all. You guys did an awesome job and i can't even imagine the job that went into it. Forget how the final is played out. It's 20 mins and it was pretty comedy.
But comparing yourself to people who have come back and won 3 times in a row even. That's not fair.
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Shiroi Okami
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:48:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Cozmo
Originally by: Shiroi Okami
Originally by: Cozmo I saw some idiot comparing himself to BOB and PL. Your a fool and an idiot, your "achievement" pales in comparision. Your practically nothing.
You sound upset that 'nothing' knocked out all the other teams in the tournament
No not at all. You guys did an awesome job and i can't even imagine the job that went into it. Forget how the final is played out. It's 20 mins and it was pretty comedy.
But comparing yourself to people who have come back and won 3 times in a row even. That's not fair.
Fair enough. We'll see what happens two years from now ------
My latest pvp video - Freestyle |
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:50:00 -
[211]
Hollow pathetic apology
You accomplished nothing today, you only won because your 'friend's outbreak stopped fighting just like how they let Razor advance when there was no need to.
It's a shallowness and patheticness.
Only reason your even apologizing is because its caused such a stir.
Basically one has to wonder why even bother with ATX if this same crap is going to happen again, and its crap. I certainly if I was other alliances not want to put up the entry fee in light of what's happened in this tournament.
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Cozmo
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:51:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami
Fair enough. We'll see what happens two years from now
Looking forward to it =).
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Lazerus Bulder
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:51:00 -
[213]
Well. Took a while to read thru the post until this point, and I can understand some of the points made in here, but I think there is missing some.
I watched the Alliance turnement (for the first time) today and had a great time watching the fightsà.Well most of them.
And here is the problem. I think CCP and the people that used their spare time to set up this tournament have done a fantastic job. Yes EVE is EVE. You are a permitted to do scams and tricks with in the universe of EVE and in the spirit of EVE, but the Meta-game has taken on a life of its own. We are noticing alliances DDOSÆing their opponents so they will get and ingame advantage. People are paying Real life money for others to bring down alliances and give up space and now Hydra reloaded joins this gang of people that has taken it too far. CCP need to make it clear that there are things that are not allowed even within and around the EVE universe. You have used the meta gaming to make a fool of CCP and all the work that people have volunteered for this show and all the fans that has been following it for weeks.
Hydra Reloaded you have written proudly a few times on this thread, ö We are one team. ôà Well in this tournament you were only allowed 1 team. You clearly violated the intended setup for this tournament for the sole purpose of trying to fix the outcome. Yes you won a lot of good fights over other great teams and you might have been the best PVP team this year and did a lot of meta-gaming to make this happen, but you entered this tournament with the intend to make a FOOL of CCP, their partners and the fans of alliance tournament. And for that you should face consequences, I think CCP soundwave and the panel did the right thing to not call out a winner at the live show.
EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE 25CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userÆs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted. 26We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
I am not sure if this is the way to go? but as I see it, you did go about knowingly cheat and deceive CCP, the volunteers on the live stream, the other teams and the FanÆs watching, with your actions and you should expect some kind of response from CCP.
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Tony 2fingers
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:52:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Tony 2fingers on 20/06/2011 00:53:37 Edited by: Tony 2fingers on 20/06/2011 00:53:04 The first 4 minutes was epic, to bad you decided to throw the event.
While i could understand this in a Player sponsored event, it has no place in the Alliance Tournament sponsored by CCP. The first thing that came to my mind was the T20 fiasco. This Official event had real world items being given away by CCP, and for that reason alone, the tourny needs to be kept on the up and up.
The rules need to be amended to make sure this crap ends this year, and we get back to the tourney's of the first 2-3 years, and pilots took pride in showing their skills won the day and not their wallet.
I would also say good deal on your apology, i know that it cant be easy eating crow.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:57:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Shiroi Okami Fair enough. We'll see what happens two years from now
Assuming you guys didn't bury the tournament...
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:59:00 -
[216]
I don't understand the people who are SO butthurt nor do I understand the people who think this was cool.
It was lame. And boring. And within the rules of the tournament.
Next!
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Silverized
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:06:00 -
[217]
o7 Thanks for watching see you next year. ------------------------------
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Pawnee
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:06:00 -
[218]
Originally by: ScoRpS we had alot of respect for all our opponents
I'd like to extend all our respect to all the teams we fought to achieve what we did
till next year...
I like that parts of your post especially.
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Leetah Stormbringerr
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:10:00 -
[219]
I've been a promoter for this tournament in all the years I have played EvE. Why? Because no other MMO out there puts on a show like this one. A fantastic case of one-up-manship that no other MMO player can compete against. A flagship event that defines what playing EvE is all about.
To those that have been bleating about showing props to the guys that put in the time and practice to get where they were today, I counter with the fact that I too put in time and effort when my old corp went in for a tourney a while back. Only I wasn't going to be in the team, I was there to support the team, as did a number of other pilots in our corp, to give them some one to practice against. To try out tactics and fit against. I gave money to the team fund to help them on their way, took part in corp ops to fund the team, and if memory serves they got knocked out in the quarter finals. So what? You put the time in, gratz. So did I.
I have 2 problems with the Final this year. With regard to what I started out saying... I won't be doing this again, as that Final just made a mockery of all I have said about EvE and the AT. I refuse to apologise for other people's mistakes. So it's not like I can then say... gonna watch the tourney? It's superb! Live Stream of the fights, commentators and experts talking about the matches! PvP at it's best. This is what EvE's all about... hmmm, yeah, there IS some back handed dealings... oh and a bit of spying, and bribery... true, sorry, yeah you're right, it's like the rest of internet based games, where there is no honour, no personal pride, no gamesmanship, people have no integrity.
THe second problem, is how the hell did CCP allow 2 teams from the same Alliance in there? You have, in effect, taken the place of a team that could also have done as well as you did, but due to the lottery that takes place to decide who should be in the play offs, couldn't get through, because your Alliance was greedy? Sorry? Why the hell should you get away with that either?
I'm glad the Studio team closed off as fast as they did without making comment. It means they too realised what a mockery you and your conceited brethren in Outbreak just made of this years competition. As usual with any of the Meta-Gaming taking place in this game, it's the ordinary player that loses out. Thank you for adding the Alliance Tournament to the infamous list of Meta-Gaming fails.
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:12:00 -
[220]
@ Lazerus
Well not go that far.
What's done it's done you don't come back. Now, those teams have done a great job against their "real" opponents and nobody can take that away from them but the evident meta gaming ruined the event, they apologise and it's honest but what's done it's done.
CCP "should" show to those teams the same respect they had in return for all efforts and personal investment, people taking from their personal rest time share their opinions their projects, show the respect they have for their players community.
I'm not convinced those teams/players ever realised that almost 30 thousand people were behind their screen watching them and waiting from them other stuff than we've seen and see every minute spent on Eve: meta gaming, arrangements etc etc and etc
Some of them realised people, and I mean a lot of people, starting from CCP right to the other side of the screen got ****ed by those meta **** stuff, they apologise but it's a little too late, the community is harsh just like Eve
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:18:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Lazerus Bulder
I am not sure if this is the way to go? but as I see it, you did go about knowingly cheat and deceive CCP, the volunteers on the live stream, the other teams and the FanÆs watching, with your actions and you should expect some kind of response from CCP.
Incorrect. Hydra and 0utbreak did not break a single rule in the tournament. Lying is not disallowed.
That is all. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Psychotic Sidekick
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:23:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Rastino Never apologise for something like this. You just made the best troll so far this yearà I love you for it.
Eight pages of butthurt and still going strong! I am almost having as much fun reading the QQ as I did watching the tournament
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Heinrich'von'Thrak
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:24:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Karles
Originally by: Jean'Luc Pi card Well, what i learned in eve so far is, that one of the higher goals of this game is to **** people off. you scam them, you canflip them, you hulkageddon them, you hotdrop them and so on. but when hydra does **** off 20k internet spaceship lovers at once the hate cascade of the 'though' guys starts. gooood job hydra. all the whiners go play hello kitty online.
Is this your reccomendation card for your application to Hydra? Because if you think that eve is this, you should be joining them right now. Several thousands of players do not think this is what eve is ment to be.
have u ever been outside of carebearland? eve is not a very 'nice' game. its not very happyend-ish. well, you might hate movies where not the shiny white knights win in the end. i don't like them a lot either. but in eve the 'antagonists', the evil puppy eating killermachines can win the day and do it in a way that ****es 30.000 people like you off. and even better... they not even violate the 'rules' with that. isn't this awesome?
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:25:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Swynet Now, those teams have done a great job against their "real" opponents and nobody can take that away from them but the evident meta gaming ruined the event, they apologise and it's honest but what's done it's done.
Let's try to be a bit more precise.
Throwing the final match is NOT "meta-gaming." It's throwing a final match. And thumbing one's nose at the Tournament, CCP, EVE, and all the rest of us, the viewing audience.
Spying and maneuvering in playoff brackets, including throwing matches, is meta-gaming worthy of the name. And a very different beast, practiced, though not without objection, in most competitive sports.
The proper response to objectionable meta-gaming is to change the rules for the next round.
The proper response to throwing a final match and thumbing one's nose at the sport and its fans is what happened the 8 Chicago White Sox who threw the 1919 World Series. They were shamed and banned for life.
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Ms Tragula
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:25:00 -
[225]
The final was pretty embarrassing to watch and I did feel sorry for the people at EVE TV, especially the match commentators who were obliged to talk it up as a climactic triumph while it all kind of fizzled and went a bit wrong before our eyes.
That said, I love the metagame aspect of EVE and I do think it belongs in the tournament, I'm just a little uncomfortable with the extent of collusion you guys showed, two supposedly separate teams that consider themselves a single unit does seem to border on breach of the spirit of the tourney rules, if not the letter. Then again both teams did beat every legitimate contender on finals day, 6 teams in total, hard to take that away from you.
I don't think anyone can legitimately claim either team didn't deserve to be in the final, you just messed it up a bit and admitted it in the forums, I take the apology at face value.
Finally, I do understand why people would be angered by the final but I simply do not believe anything like even 5% of the people saying 'I won't watch the tourney next year' will follow through on that, if they're still playing EVE they'll be watching it. I can buy that CCP won't be best pleased from a PR perspective, but I've seen a little bit of the differences between what people say and what they do in life and I am not buying the idea of an exodus of tourney viewers based on this final. Frankly anyone still upset about it in a year's time needs to seriously consider therapy.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:40:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Sarmatiko You know some girls can work out for new sport cars only with their mouth, but this will not make them respectable or not disgusting, even if they will apologize for this for the rest of their lives. Your alliances are just the same. Dont spit on the community or you will drown from response
This.
I wonder just how literal that is in this case, too.
/me chuckles
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Sugar Ray
Caldari Ammo and Tag Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:42:00 -
[227]
Most people will watch again, next year and the year after. However this was not the way to win a tournament.
That is the bottom line.
At least the EVE TV studio panel refused to give the credit, as most of the EVE community has.
Regardless of what damage control 0utbreak and Hydra try to spin, they done themselves more damage, at least the OP recognises that and has been honest enough (and brave) to post their honest opinion.
Can't change what is done, the right thing is not to do it again, next time. Fight fair and earn your respect.
Peace x
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:47:00 -
[228]
Originally by: El'Niaga Hollow pathetic apology
You accomplished nothing today, you only won because your 'friend's outbreak stopped fighting just like how they let Razor advance when there was no need to.
We "only won" because we defeated every other team in the tournament, and so did Outbreak, for us to pull this maneuver off in the first place. ---
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Vaarun
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:56:00 -
[229]
You can wipe your tears with all those multi-billion isk BPC's...I'm sure that will ease the pain.
If you are sincere in this apology, then work with CCP to fix it....somehow. A win like this is a screaming hole in the rules.
That being said, getting both teams to the final took skill and guile even though those traits were severely lacking in the final itself....or did they epitomize them in a "win-at-all-costs" sort of way? Tomato-Tamahtoh, I guess.
Why waste the ships anyway? Had our snowballs not all melted, I'm sure you would have fitted those ;).
"Congratulations"
You WON..that's all that matters, really, right? "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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Half Cocked Jack
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:00:00 -
[230]
I can't decide whether I think you guys suck or rock because of this, so I'll just say that you must construct additional pylons.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:06:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: El'Niaga Hollow pathetic apology
You accomplished nothing today, you only won because your 'friend's outbreak stopped fighting just like how they let Razor advance when there was no need to.
We "only won" because we defeated every other team in the tournament, and so did Outbreak, for us to pull this maneuver off in the first place.
You didn't win the final. Not in my viewpoint and not in a lot of peoples.
Outbreak had you solidly beat, until they just stopped firing and turned off their tanks so Lady could kill them one by one. It was really pathetic.
No more freebies through prequalfyings either should be allowed. If this is what your going to do with your free passes through prequalfying you can just field a team and fight it out just like everyone else.
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Melissa Achasse
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:07:00 -
[232]
Two teams fight their way through the tournament brackets to the finals. One finals team essentially throws match to other team. That doesn't change the fact that they both battled their way through all the other teams to be in the position to do that. Where's the cheat? I don't get what people are so upset about.
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Obviously Confidential
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:08:00 -
[233]
Apologies not accepted because they were not necessary in the first place.
You guys earned it with your effort and are free to do whatever you want with your own achievements. Just like everyone else.
Thank you for apologizing even though it was unnecessary - it shows character on top of all the rest that you already have, those things that make you guys tournament winners.
Congratulations and thank you for the show. ALL OF IT.
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Minigin
YOU JUST ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:12:00 -
[234]
all hail the ched king. .
color poastar.
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
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Sugar Ray
Caldari Ammo and Tag Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:12:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Suitonia We "only won" because we defeated every other team in the tournament, and so did Outbreak, for us to pull this maneuver off in the first place.
Yes but the respect you had gained, vanished, once it was obvious what was happening.
Was winning like worth it? You may yes, but in time most will say, 'You know, probably not'.
Not flaming here, just calling it the way it is.
PS And no, I don't expect anyone affiliated with what happened to agree (apart from the OP, of course).
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:13:00 -
[236]
Well played to both HR and Outbreak. You could have at least put on a better show, however. Having said that, the answer is simple...
No second place prizes next AT.
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Nocte Katelo
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:16:00 -
[237]
Having corp members replying to this thread and defending the events of today undermines the sentiments of the original poster. Just saying...maybe Hydra Reloaded needs to get their story straight internally before posting anything on the forums. Once you decide your true feelings on the matter, post again and tell your members not to contradict it in ignorant replies.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:19:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Vaarun
If you are sincere in this apology, then work with CCP to fix it....somehow. A win like this is a screaming hole in the rules.
It is not a hole in the rules. Metagaming, drama, betrayal, comradery, and all that are parts of the game. I personally enjoyed the metagaming as much as the physical PVP, throughout the tourney. Who are you to decide that it's supposed to only be about physical PVP? -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Erim Solfara
Amarr inFluX.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:25:00 -
[239]
I can understand why you did it, and why people are frustrated.
You said you would do one thing, turned up, STARTED doing it, and then decided not to. If OB wanted to show Hydra their appreciation, they shouldn't have turned up in a serious fit and started winning, it should've been a comedy match.
If you were going to fight properly, it should've been seen through!
Personally, I'd have announced beforehand that the plan was for everyone to set the self destruct timers at the kick off, and see if a team could win in 120 seconds or less! : D
It looked to me like outbreak could've managed it too : P
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Sapphire Fangborn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:27:00 -
[240]
Since I'm a new player, this is the first time I've seen an Eve Tournament. Overall, I very much enjoyed the experience. The company made a very good quality presentation.
Re the final match, is it true that Pandemic Legion tried something like this in a previous match? I understand all the anti chat about the outcome and how it happened, and yet.. Generally speaking, it seems that in Eve plotting and underhandedness are common gameplay tactics rather than forbidden behaviours. So now it's come down (maybe) to how much scheming is permissible during tournaments. Complicated stuff!
This event gave newer players like me a chance to see exciting ships and interesting tactics that I'm rather clueless about (combat noob), and for that it rocks. :D I'll watch next year - the drama has not chased me away. It's fun to see how invested players are in the outcome. I'm starting to get an idea about why this community is great. ;) Even though opposites are like night and day, they sure do care a lot about this game.
Sapph
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ifollowed through
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:37:00 -
[241]
perhaps if the commentator from hhydra hadn't blabbed how garmon had pulled strings to get outbreak into the other pool to set up the final this would be a bit easier to accept, but it just sounds like one fix after another tbh.
and really how can all the hydra pvpers claim to be so leet because they beat all the other teams and then in the next breath say "ah sorry we just ****ed it all up in the final" right
Sorry but teams as good as you all claim to be don't mess up like u are claiming, outbreak just stopped firing ... exactly as it was meant to be.
Sorry amber this is a very poor troll or an even more pathetic attempt at damage limitation
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:40:00 -
[242]
I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:42:00 -
[243]
Originally by: ifollowed through perhaps if the commentator from hhydra hadn't blabbed how garmon had pulled strings to get outbreak into the other pool to set up the final this would be a bit easier to accept, but it just sounds like one fix after another tbh.
and really how can all the hydra pvpers claim to be so leet because they beat all the other teams and then in the next breath say "ah sorry we just ****ed it all up in the final" right
Sorry but teams as good as you all claim to be don't mess up like u are claiming, outbreak just stopped firing ... exactly as it was meant to be.
Sorry amber this is a very poor troll or an even more pathetic attempt at damage limitation
I look forward to your team making the final in the alliance tournament next year. ---
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helmut cheddar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:46:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: El'Niaga Hollow pathetic apology
You accomplished nothing today, you only won because your 'friend's outbreak stopped fighting just like how they let Razor advance when there was no need to.
We "only won" because we defeated every other team in the tournament, and so did Outbreak, for us to pull this maneuver off in the first place.
and it you'd had a proper fight in the final everyone would have applauded that fact but your collective arrogance and penchant for trolling those u feel superior too (all of eve basically) meant you decided to **** on final and disappoint the nearly 30k ppl who turned up to see what is supposed to be a high point in the eve calendar. Well done, you killed the AT ... does it feel good ?
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Hal Lubbert
Zan Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:52:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Dalen Skyard Here's my take on it.
As a new player, watching this tournament got me really excited to keep playing EVE. Hearing all of the different tactics, the spying, the wormhole use was very very cool.
Then the quarters and semis came around. Some really close matches, lots of cool stuff happening.
Then nothing. One ship calmly taking down people who might as well have been afk. It was boring and made me regret ignoring chores and spending that last hour and a half waiting for the finals.
If CCP's going to go the extra mile and have a nice set, broadcast in HD, have good commentary and tons of extra content, then steps need to be taken to treat it as a tournament, not every day life in EVE. The last thing you want players to feel is blase or annoyed. It was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters without Sweet Georgia Blues, dribble tricks or confetti. Just one team rolling over people does not make for good television.
To be fair, you guys didn't do anything wrong by the rules. But CCP needs to think long and hard about allowing it again. An event, any event, needs to cap with a big final. This was just boring.
I AGREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZAN INDUSTRIES Universal Solutions SINCE 2008 "We Carry Our Own Always" |
ThrashPower
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:53:00 -
[246]
Originally by: helmut cheddar your collective arrogance
Wouldn't it be more arrogant to actually prepare in advance for an event of both teams making the finals? (which we obviously didn't, hence the poor show)
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:03:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
Yes, that is the gist of it. Few would not be praising their wily maneuvers to get to a final faceoff, including taking the risk of throwing early matches, if the teams had actually given us the fight we as an audience, and more so all the participants who fought and lost, expected and deserved.
Instead, they came out and kissed each others' butts and expected everyone to applaud that as triumph.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:08:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
Yes, that is the gist of it. Few would not be praising their wily maneuvers to get to a final faceoff, including taking the risk of throwing early matches, if the teams had actually given us the fight we as an audience, and more so all the participants who fought and lost, expected and deserved.
Instead, they came out and kissed each others' butts and expected everyone to applaud that as triumph.
It was decided ahead of time how the match was going to go. Given that, would you rather a fake scripted battle so it looked good on TV, or would you rather know the truth; that the match was rigged?
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helmut cheddar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:08:00 -
[249]
Originally by: ThrashPower
Originally by: helmut cheddar your collective arrogance
Wouldn't it be more arrogant to actually prepare in advance for an event of both teams making the finals? (which we obviously didn't, hence the poor show)
you need to practice to avoid collectively not firing anymore and rolling over to a single BS ????????
are you well practised 3months blah best player in the game as captain etc etc or are you pvp noobs that can't remember to fire a gun ... cmon u can't have it both ways nobody really buys this blundering fools in the final routine after you've been at great pains to demonstrate how much effort you've put in to practising.
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Shegoba
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:19:00 -
[250]
Sup foo's
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Starsaber 1
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:21:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino We're ONE team, how hard is it to understand?
Originally by: Edenmain
... we let Hydra win....
These are fundamentally inconsistent. If you're "one team", why did it matter to you which part of the "team" won? You could have just swapped prizes later if Hydra wanted the cruisers instead of the frigs.
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Wencher
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:22:00 -
[252]
Ban them all.
It's disturbing to think that this is what it's come to. People will tolerate, defend and even condone these actions. |
Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:23:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Suitonia on 20/06/2011 03:23:15 It's disturbing to think that so many people who quit World of Warcraft: Cataclysm because it was 'too hard' are now posting here, in eve. ---
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Farham
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:25:00 -
[254]
It sure is easy to call those who wanted a real final, butthurt.
I guess if both teams were disqualified and the owners of the accounts banned from all future tournaments tomorrow they might be a bit butthurt too.
Naw, I am sure they would see the humor in it. Right? Not hacking it in 0.0 since 2006
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helmut cheddar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:27:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Suitonia Edited by: Suitonia on 20/06/2011 03:23:15 It's disturbing to think that so many people who quit World of Warcraft: Cataclysm because it was 'too hard' are now posting here, in eve.
apparently it was "too hard" to remember you need to keep firing guns to kill a ship
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Salvianna Vasquez
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:28:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Suitonia Edited by: Suitonia on 20/06/2011 03:23:15 It's disturbing to think that so many people who quit World of Warcraft: Cataclysm because it was 'too hard' are now posting here, in eve.
Wouldn't expect anything less from the likes of you. Keep digging that ditch.
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La Chukukabra
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:34:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Suitonia Edited by: Suitonia on 20/06/2011 03:23:15 It's disturbing to think that so many people who quit World of Warcraft: Cataclysm because it was 'too hard' are now posting here, in eve.
And he keeps digging and digging....
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helmut cheddar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:35:00 -
[258]
gracious in victory... true champions lol
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Tyzzara
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:35:00 -
[259]
The hard deal to me is this -
You guys had basically been the first to 'win' EVE. If there is such a thing...
What an honor and historic responsibility that you no doubt earned. Period.
Then you derped hardcore.
v0v
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Joroc Senbel
Caldari Senbel Technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:47:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Fuamnach
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
Yes, that is the gist of it. Few would not be praising their wily maneuvers to get to a final faceoff, including taking the risk of throwing early matches, if the teams had actually given us the fight we as an audience, and more so all the participants who fought and lost, expected and deserved.
Instead, they came out and kissed each others' butts and expected everyone to applaud that as triumph.
It was decided ahead of time how the match was going to go. Given that, would you rather a fake scripted battle so it looked good on TV, or would you rather know the truth; that the match was rigged?
Whats the difference? Either way zero effort gets put into the fight. My only gripe really is that the final fight was so lack luster. Since HR and OB are the same alliance, should have just let the momentum of the fight continue and finish with OB winning.
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Nocte Katelo
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:53:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Suitonia Edited by: Suitonia on 20/06/2011 03:23:15 It's disturbing to think that so many people who quit World of Warcraft: Cataclysm because it was 'too hard' are now posting here, in eve.
Great job undermining the spin control that your glorious leader was going for in this thread. I'm sure they appreciate you pushing the corp agenda. gg, dumbass.
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Mreladar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:57:00 -
[262]
To Outbreak and Hydra:
I was so excited by the matches and the convo in between by CCP. I have a passion for PVP and look for opportunites to watch/play it in all MMOs that I have played. I have been playing Eve for short time. However, I have been playing MMOs for a very long time. So, I can tell when a match is choreographed. If you choreograph something among your corp in a wormhole to see the outcome for planning purposes against an opponent, that is fine. However, a tournament is a competition to see who is the best team at this time, in the environment set for them. You did not show me a competition, but a party among friends sitting around a campfire with a beer in hand telling war stories. When more than 20,000 peeps from around the planet are watching you two teams to see who can outperform the other, it seems appropriate to follow through and show us who can outperform the other. This is the essence of competition for me. But, as I watched your match, I felt like someone kicked me in the gut. I felt let down. This is my first Eve Tournament. T'was very dissapointing to watch a thrown match and it has changed my opinion about Eve Tournaments. And worst of all, it was the final match. I really hope CCP intervenes somehow to adequately address what you have done to more than 20,000 viewers. |
fpshacker
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:05:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Mreladar To Outbreak and Hydra:
I was so excited by the matches and the convo in between by CCP. I have a passion for PVP and look for opportunites to watch/play it in all MMOs that I have played. I have been playing Eve for short time. However, I have been playing MMOs for a very long time. So, I can tell when a match is choreographed. If you choreograph something among your corp in a wormhole to see the outcome for planning purposes against an opponent, that is fine. However, a tournament is a competition to see who is the best team at this time, in the environment set for them. You did not show me a competition, but a party among friends sitting around a campfire with a beer in hand telling war stories. When more than 20,000 peeps from around the planet are watching you two teams to see who can outperform the other, it seems appropriate to follow through and show us who can outperform the other. This is the essence of competition for me. But, as I watched your match, I felt like someone kicked me in the gut. I felt let down. This is my first Eve Tournament. T'was very dissapointing to watch a thrown match and it has changed my opinion about Eve Tournaments. And worst of all, it was the final match. I really hope CCP intervenes somehow to adequately address what you have done to more than 20,000 viewers.
rofl
I thought it was a great final.
stop crying all u babies. HYRDA RELOADED one fair n square cos they r the best PVPers. Outbreak but up a GF but in the end it just wasnt enough.
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Red Maiden
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:18:00 -
[264]
Originally by: fpshacker stop crying all u babies. HYRDA RELOADED one fair n square cos they r the best PVPers. Outbreak but up a GF but in the end it just wasnt enough.
You're missing the point. I don't think anyone is questioning your ability to play well in the tournament. Obviously both your teams earned the right to be there. Congratulations on that remarkable achievement.
The problem is that you blew it hardcore in the final match by not trying. You realize that there were thousands of people watching, expecting a good battle, right? Even if you don't care what they think, which is fine, you shouldn't be surprised at the reaction to your play, or lack thereof. All the "respect" that you earned up that point was flushed down the toilet in front of 20,000+ viewers.
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Mreladar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:20:00 -
[265]
Originally by: fpshacker rofl
I thought it was a great final.
stop crying all u babies. HYRDA RELOADED one fair n square cos they r the best PVPers. Outbreak but up a GF but in the end it just wasnt enough.
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Wencher
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:26:00 -
[266]
Quote:
I thought it was a great final.
stop crying all u babies. HYRDA RELOADED one fair n square cos they r the best PVPers. Outbreak but up a GF but in the end it just wasnt enough.
Didn't you notice the pegi and esrb ratings?
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Freelance Swan
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:39:00 -
[267]
Donate all the prizes. Make a free lottery and donate each ship to a different guy (not in outbreak or hydra ofc).
You do not deserve them.
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Thy Spy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:57:00 -
[268]
0utbreak won the final match within a minute. Then they've let HYDRA have the official victory, and created a fresh ocean of tears, bringing with it the winds of drama and waves of rage.
This is the biggest victory in the alliance tournament ever.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:58:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Freelance Swan Donate all the prizes. Make a free lottery and donate each ship to a different guy (not in outbreak or hydra ofc).
You do not deserve them.
How in the world would they not deserve them when they won both sides of the bracket?
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Jaigar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:08:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
Yeah, Kil2 gave the impression that it would be an actual fight, and instead of an actual fight we got some nonsense.
The tournament is about entertainment. This was definately not entertaining.
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Lynnly Rorschach
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:25:00 -
[271]
hydra/outbreak stomped through the tourney. regardless of what happened in the final, they are still the best small gang pvpers in eve. cry harder...
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Fibonacci Pizano
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:30:00 -
[272]
As a fairly new player to Eve I had my first experience today with watching this. All throughout I thought this was great, what a unique community this game offers, much different than other games of the like, and I was hooked. Then with that final battle I saw how it really isn't any different, and it left the taste in my mouth of how the big groups/high end players always pull shenanigans like that last battle. That really sucked, I was really pumped about trying to get involved in the process, then the wind completely left the sails. As a newer player I ask....why should I bother? What's wrong with an honest run? What's wrong with being 100% above board?
On a smaller scale this bs even makes the prizes for voting on the forums for each battle a joke....it's all biased.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:34:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Lynnly Rorschach hydra/outbreak stomped through the tourney. regardless of what happened in the final, they are still the best small gang pvpers in eve. cry harder...
If they are so awesome pvpers , then why is it so hard to put up a good show. Well done reaching the finals to both teams, sad they are so poor pvpers that they cant even fix a match properly:( Allso well done in being known as the first alliance who needs to order there alts to stop fireing to be able to win over them.
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Warmonger1012
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:40:00 -
[274]
Edited by: Warmonger1012 on 20/06/2011 05:41:43 This is the first alliance tournament I bothered watching. CCP put a ton of effort into it, and all was good, till the final. Yall screwed CCP and given the sandbox environment its only appropriate CCP does the same. In my opinion they should give you the prizes, wait a day or two, then empty all of your assets, ISK, Plex, Ships, POSs, Fittings, Everything. Make ya start from square one, maybe even toast your skillpoints
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:54:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
shows how carebear Eve is today, even the hardcore pvpers are allied up, I liked it before everyone was blue to everyone. And really you shouldnt be really apologizing to us, its CCP that will feel this within 1-3 years, you probably cost them a lot of money tbh in the long run. I know I won't be watching another touney again, and even if just 10 % wont watch next year, thats a lot of viewers ccp will lose, which is bad for sponsers.
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Red Maiden
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:58:00 -
[276]
I'm also a new player, and the way that the final match unfolded, while not ideal, certainly did not dampen my enjoyment of all the great matches that came before it. I'd have to have a really short attention span, and be an alarmist, for that to happen. In fact, in a way it was interesting to see the meta gaming aspect of EVE come through, even if pew pew would have been preferred.
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Thy Spy
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:59:00 -
[277]
EVE got famous via scandals. I think this will bring more attention towards EVE, thus more players, therefore more money for CCP.
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ToXicPaIN
Minmatar Strategic Solutions Ltd. Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:09:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Amber Saint
Please forgive me
STFU , is the only thing i have to say to this ****ING Final
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Rain Al'Thor
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:15:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Ein Phantom Give kil2 a Vangel, and all is forgiven.
This ^ ^
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:17:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Thy Spy EVE got famous via scandals. I think this will bring more attention towards EVE, thus more players, therefore more money for CCP.
Waiting for the Massively/TenTon article.
This makes no sense, sure theres scammers, but the people who watch EVETV do not watch it for this type of show. It will hurt the tournament for years to come.
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robbyx
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:23:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Lynnly Rorschach hydra/outbreak stomped through the tourney. regardless of what happened in the final, they are still the best small gang pvpers in eve. cry harder...
You sure about that ?...given what transpired in the final id say its more likely they paid some teams to take a dive.
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:27:00 -
[282]
Originally by: robbyx
Originally by: Lynnly Rorschach hydra/outbreak stomped through the tourney. regardless of what happened in the final, they are still the best small gang pvpers in eve. cry harder...
You sure about that ?...given what transpired in the final id say its more likely they paid some teams to take a dive.
I wouldnt be surprised if they made some type of arrangment with even PL for future, for them to take a dive.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:32:00 -
[283]
I didn't bother watching the last match as I thought it'd be fixed. You didn't disappoint.
For once I feel a bit sorry for CCP, lot of effort for a slap in the face
Well done for winning though, every tourney is fixed to some extent. Maybe that's what CCP need to look at if they decide to run another tourney. I'd have a long hard think about that though were I CCP because that didn't do anything to showcase the game and arguably they'd be better off not running another.
Again though well done for winning. You had to get there to be able to fix the result in the first place.
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Tyr Crassus
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:38:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up.
I did have big achievement today but it feels like it was all taken away by what happened in the finals, I've disappointed kil2 and I've dissapointed my friends, every one that watched the finals including all of you
Please forgive me
You do not have to apologized, you showed simple how the tournament works and how to deal with getting the reward. It is no big deal with 4 teams from the same "alliance".
the tournament is complete bull****, only funny part is the eve tv. also worth a laugh when PL and hydra commentators try to explain the "advantages" of a team. really interesting in a faked tournament.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:39:00 -
[285]
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 20/06/2011 06:39:59
Originally by: thoth rothschild I have no problem with metagaming, i too have no problem with deals during the alliance tournament, but...
Learn from TV. Do entertain me and all the other people who stayed up late. Make all your deals behind the scenes and make it look like a real fight.
To the general EVE Community - using this comment as a launchpad.
Let's be clear.
There was no meta-gaming going on here.
Get over using a buzzword to describe which is nothing more than a few people agreeing to do something together.
There was no "game" in this act.
There was no "meta" in the act.
It was a few people AGREEING to do something. That's as basic as it gets.
META-GAMING implies that there was a game within the game - such as spying, sneaking around, etc.
There was no game, there was no meta, and there sure as hell is nothing to make out to be glorious.
Any 2 people can agree to do something, sometimes, it turns out that they make themselves out to be total asses.
So no, get over this concept that they won by playing some superior "game". They made an agreement - they were friends. Period.
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Alkazma
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Posted - 2011.06.20 06:57:00 -
[286]
You guys earned the community's hate, deal with it. :)
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:14:00 -
[287]
Uh, total non-sense.
You tell the damn Vindicator pilot to self-destruct.
And then lose the fight.
You were selfish you didn't really give a #@#@% and all you wanted was the prize. Lame, stupid and ignorant. There's no sympathy.
"Decided to give us the win"...
Uh, whatever - you already said you had planned it. You were planning on making it a good fight, you were planning on this planning on that.
Whatever, you decided before the fight ever happened who was going to win - and you weren't even able to follow through or have some integrity.
Sorry. Bunch of people are claiming you did it for the tears - whatever, clearly this sad story is where the QQ really is.
Originally by: Amber Saint I'm really sorry guys, it wasn't what was planned, we were planning on making it a hardcore brawl and to hopefully have it be a close match, but things didn't go as planned.
When we started the tournament we agreed to make the finals be a real match because we didn't want to **** people off, we didn't achieve this, we completely ****ed up, I'm really really sorry to kil2 because I told him it's going to be a good fight.
After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it, it's not their fault, we should have planned things better or gone with identical setups or something and made it close to the wire.
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tib0
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:24:00 -
[288]
very nice tournament, props to CCP, but the final was total bull***t...next time, at least try to make it look like real fight, mkay
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Zamone
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:26:00 -
[289]
It amuses me greatly, that with all the months of WH logistics, hours a day of testing, long nights theory crafting that you people still think Hydra and Outbreak were in this alliance to make a good show for you. No, they were in to win.
This was never about you getting a good match out of the finals. Given the 20 mins at the end left to prepare that last match I think they did ok getting two full teams sorted with ships.
But in the end, that was only ever a favour to the viewers. Never required, but an attempted gift. Given the way the match could have gone if they'd WANTED to screw the viewers over? Be entertained and leave it for next year. There were awesome matches, and Hydra and Outbreak did awesomely to get where they are.
Bask in the glory Garmon, you deserve it.
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Iggy Stooge
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:36:00 -
[290]
My only complaint about the final, is that it wasn't funny. Kinda fell flat, instead of being an OMG DID YOU SEE WHAT THEY DONE LOL!!! event. Big congratulations on the work you put in practising, manipulating, and fighting. To conceive of a plan to fight your own alts in the final and pull it off is amazing. But you are bad actors.
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Angelwhisper
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:45:00 -
[291]
Genos certainly came a long way since we founded it and lived in Hakonen shooting the Black Rabbits & Morsus Mihi...
Wanted to congratulate all the players who took part in the tournament and to the Hydra and 0utbreak players that got both their teams into the finals.
Little disappointing that it didn't go as planned but just shows you can't take account for everything (ie mass perfectly aimed autocannon pwnage)! But having basically 2 Finals was great & the Outbreak/Darkside match was the best match I have seen in all AT, even better than BoB vs 10 Thorax.
GG
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Ardil
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:46:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Lynnly Rorschach hydra/outbreak stomped through the tourney. regardless of what happened in the final, they are still the best small gang pvpers in eve. cry harder...
didnt they prove that their metagaming is better than their pvp abilitys? its part of eve and the tourney. i know and its ok. but such an obvious rigging of an final is just sad and was no fun to watch.
and dont talk about you are sorry about what happened. if it was like that, you had selfdestructed your remaining ships. but i guess i wouldnt have either. ;)
great tourney, sad final. lets see what happens next year.
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Amarr Alternate
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:50:00 -
[293]
If your're that sorry. hand the prizes back.
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Azishkra'elhykai Mizamel
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.20 07:54:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Bloodpetal Uh, total non-sense.
You tell the damn Vindicator pilot to self-destruct.
And then lose the fight.
You were selfish you didn't really give a #@#@% and all you wanted was the prize. Lame, stupid and ignorant. There's no sympathy.
"Decided to give us the win"...
Uh, whatever - you already said you had planned it. You were planning on making it a good fight, you were planning on this planning on that.
Whatever, you decided before the fight ever happened who was going to win - and you weren't even able to follow through or have some integrity.
Sorry. Bunch of people are claiming you did it for the tears - whatever, clearly this sad story is where the QQ really is.
I'm sorry, what? From what I keep hearing (and you've been posting butthurt in a few of the rage threads right now) Hydra Reloaded and their B team (equally as awesome Outbreak) planned Hydra's victory no matter what. I see nothing wrong in carrying this through via a sole Vindicator piloted by the epic Laedy (which was a privilege unto itself, since this is her first time in an AT, ever).
It was absolutely flawless planning, just a botched execution (which in itself has generated its own threadcascade epicosity). It's amazing to see so much rage in a single mess-up when everything else had been pulled off so perfectly. What do you expect these people to be, robots? Last time I hear, botting is frowned upon.
In the finals fight, Outbreak showed not only the rarest traits of Loyalty, Selflessness and Friendship in Eve-O, but also the fact they can stomp on Hydra's dreams if they wanted to, and didn't. I see none of this 'selfishness, lameness, stupidity and ignorance' you speak of.
Do yourself a favour - instead of complaining about a single error in the Grand Finals, go out, take a nice stroll in the sunshine, and seriously consider the necessary effort/sacrifices Hydra and Outbreak put into this AT to make it to the end.
Truly, Hydra's slogan is correct: The Best Ship is Friendship.
HDYRDRA PROVIL.
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Sellendis
Caldari The Ares project
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:14:00 -
[295]
I expected an epic fight...first 2 mins and 2 Vindis down, holy crap Hydra is getting owned. Then all stops, and one lonely Vindy kills all. What bullsh-it.
Its like watching world soccer/football/whatever finals, when one team just lays on the floor/grass/whatever and doesn't play at all. What a victory.
You got to the finals, you might as well give the fight your best. But no, you made a **** poor performance of it, slapping the whole point of tournament in the face. Honestly, i doubt i will watch the next year tournament, such blatant fixing matches, letting other side win so obviously...
What should people expect next year? Someone to light a cyno and hotdrop a whole alliance into a tournament mach? Its Eve, everything goes...right? Its not exactly in the rules not to do it?
What if Starcraft2 world finals played like this? One player not building 6th scv/drone/probe and doing nothing the whole time to throw the match or three in a row? Or CounterStrike? If CCP wants anyone to take this as a competition seriously, they should look seriously at this in the first place. This was a disgrace to the EVE TV, to CCP, to sponsors (that gave prizes to be handed out for this crap) and all viewers.
Both Hydra and Outbreak should be DNFd, and have Darkside and Razor fight for first place.
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Ardil
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:45:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Azishkra'elhykai Mizamel
In the finals fight, Outbreak showed not only the rarest traits of Loyalty, Selflessness and Friendship in Eve-O, but also the fact they can stomp on Hydra's dreams if they wanted to, and didn't. I see none of this 'selfishness, lameness, stupidity and ignorance' you speak of.
i dont see lameness on outbreaks side but on hydras. its cool and bromantic what outbreak did. that does not make hydra accepting this less lame.
if hydra let outbreak win, everybody would have respected them for being the ones bringing ob and themselfe into the finals and beeing the cool guys letting the "better" team win. now hydra will always be the at winner of outbreaks grace, beacuse in 6 month noone will remember the efford hydra put in the at, but everyone will remember that OB gave the victory to hydra.
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Ubumble
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:47:00 -
[297]
I don't think it's fair to criticise Hydra's demonstrated PvP and other abilities because of what happened in the final. Deserved congratulations for your hard work and performance in getting to the final.
However, I think you've taken "gaming the game" a little far. At some point, you have to question how much of the victory is due to piloting skills and how much is due to the gaming. You have certainly bent the rules by having what amounts to two teams from one alliance in the tournament.
We'll see what CCP does, but I imagine the next AT will be very different in rules and format if they want it to be more about the flying and less about the gaming.
In the meantime, I'll have to organise my own post-AT brawl to give all the mates who lost isk to me (I bet on Hydra of course) a chance to win it back fairly.
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:20:00 -
[298]
Hydra won the tournament with the first and second place. Congrats.
Good pilots, good pvp (you still have to get 2 teams in the finals to pull this off), metagaming, inter-alliance loyalty makes for a good tournament.
This is EVE. OK, the finals could have had a better show, but that is just a minor detail.
To all the whiners: better get your own team in the finals if you don't want this sort of thing to happen.
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Anaplian Laine
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:30:00 -
[299]
Eve is a complex political game and I enjoyed the way it played out immensely. It was ironic that out of all the teams you friends ended up fighting in the final and then demonstrated the intricacies of friendship. I could see it wasn't going the way you wanted as I was watching the wgoe chat and Laedy seemed a bit perplexed at what was happening lol. But I think this is EVE at its best and you should never need to apologize for that. Congratz on the double win, it was awesome!
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Torquil Noble
Caldari Eternal Profiteers
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:33:00 -
[300]
OP:
Isn't it amazing how you can turn 4-6 weeks of hard work into 5 minutes of fail...
I got a lot of pleasure watching Outbreak & Darkside charging through the lists, I shall naturally be placing my support firmly with Darkside next year.
TN
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Serene Repose
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:41:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Amber Saint ...but things didn't go as planned....
...we agreed....
...decided to give...we should have planned things better....
I did have big achievement today?!?!?!
Please forgive me
Repent and all is forgiven? Repenting involves knowing what exactly one did that was...WRONG? I mean. This reads like someone didn't realize they were in the backroom when they made the deal.
It's like this. When you stack the deck, you're cheating. Of course, you weren't the only one. Everyone involved and the EVE announcers who served as your apologists in order to save face. I find it difficult to believe grown people with no moral compass.
All is forgiven as soon as all involved admit what it was they did that was WRONG WRONG WRONG. Till then, this so-called "Tournament" will be known as rigged front to back.
I can't believe anyone would sell their credibility so cheaply.
"Some people may see this as cheating, but it's the way EVE is." Right, folks. We're a bunch of cheaters. After all, it's EVE.
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kay farriday
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:47:00 -
[302]
Reminded me a lot of the FingerPoke of Doom in WCW , which coincidentally helped sink the promotion.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:01:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Serene Repose
All is forgiven as soon as all involved admit what it was they did that was WRONG WRONG WRONG. Till then, this so-called "Tournament" will be known as rigged front to back.
Read here for the 100% truth and even some admittances m8 ---------- The HydraBreak Perspective
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Huvhuran
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:23:00 -
[304]
You dont have to apologize at all because you dont care audiance ever, this is just s**t talk. If you have some balls to really apologize refuse the prize. You dont need wall of texts to cover your fail most of the eve oldies knows how garmon or genos players is good. I hope CCP learned his lesson.
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Eliza Teta
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:40:00 -
[305]
As confused and disappointed as I was, you guys surely know how to coordinate. With all the apologies and sadness, I suggest you donate the price money to the next " plex for aid" event. This way at least something good would come from it !
Finally I`m sure we wont be seeing any new alliance teams come in, thanks to the massive efford put into metagaming, and considering the limited versatility of this tournies fleets (Rush min/gal, Kite/Ecm Cal) there is no sense in competing. You are the best in espionage ,but with this omniscent knowledge base you have ruined the one thing, that makes this tourny fair.
I`m feeling actually sorry for the Hydra/OB combo, because you will from now on be considered total liars and cheats, so prolly even Goonswarm wont be dealing with you anymore.
CCP will have to find a way of dealing with this via the tourny rules, you guys didnt break any rules, but u literally took a dump on the passion , empathy and joy of all viewers.
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ovenproofjet
Caldari Therapy.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:59:00 -
[306]
I fully understand why you guys fixed the match, i would probably have done the same thing in your position. However a little more subtly in your handling of the fix would have made the match better for everyone...
Now, as repayment to the community, I want to see Garmonation 8 with Vangels in it!
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SoulTrader LT
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:30:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Serene Repose
All is forgiven as soon as all involved admit what it was they did that was WRONG WRONG WRONG. Till then, this so-called "Tournament" will be known as rigged front to back.
Read here for the 100% truth and even some admittances m8
Wall of text. I believe in what i see and for what i care all the matches you guys won, might have been fixed. Either way, the fact remains that hydra and outbreak will be remembered as the participants of the lamest and most disappointing final in the history of AT.. Good job.
PS and cut the metagaming bull****, lame is lame.
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Studentay
Gallente EVE University
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:47:00 -
[308]
It looked like serious line-ups & a serious fight for about 2mins, so I'm amazed Outbreak got the upper hand on you so quickly
Having said that, Hydra deserved to win as you can't have the pupil beating the teacher
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:51:00 -
[309]
Meh. Alliance tournament is all publicity anyway.
I'm surprised anyone even watches it to begin with.
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E6o5
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:13:00 -
[310]
CCP should just not give any prizes to anyone and effectively scam them all. Afterall, this is EVE |
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Hao JinMa
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:24:00 -
[311]
Dear OP,
This was the first Tournament I'd ever seen and, due to family commitments, I was only able to watch the final live. I had high expectations.
It was perfect - everything I hoped it would be and more. I started giggling about two minutes in. It was the most perfect Eve moment I've ever seen captured: funny, meta, hard to explain to outsiders, guaranteed to be the subject of anguished posting ad nauseam... It was everything I already love about Eve, distilled into a spectacle.
I can't wait to see how anyone's going to top it next year.
You're not only forgiven, I congratulate you.
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Junzar Hoth
Minmatar Hootie Owl Round-Tip Scissors Club
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:58:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Tichu Tilyon Edited by: Tichu Tilyon on 19/06/2011 22:20:05 As Shadooo would say little too late...
A tournament is called a tournament for a reason, while meta gameing is perfectly fine in EVE it's not in a tournament. IMO EVE tournament is for 2 reasons: 1. For alliances to make a name for them self 2. To entertain the viewers
While we can put a check next to 1. I'm pretty sure we can't put it next to 2. Because a riged final it's just sad and upsets a lot of viewers.
You guys just turned away alot of ppl from watching next year tourney. And also ruined the hard work of EVE TV...
Exactly!
Why plan anything? Just fight each other and let the best team win. That's what a competition is all about.
I'm sure no one would care if it wasn't televised.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:59:00 -
[313]
Originally by: Hao JinMa Dear OP,
This was the first Tournament I'd ever seen and, due to family commitments, I was only able to watch the final live. I had high expectations.
It was perfect - everything I hoped it would be and more. I started giggling about two minutes in. It was the most perfect Eve moment I've ever seen captured: funny, meta, hard to explain to outsiders, guaranteed to be the subject of anguished posting ad nauseam... It was everything I already love about Eve, distilled into a spectacle.
I can't wait to see how anyone's going to top it next year.
You're not only forgiven, I congratulate you.
<3 ---------- The HydraBreak Perspective
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Edenmain
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:21:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Hao JinMa Dear OP,
This was the first Tournament I'd ever seen and, due to family commitments, I was only able to watch the final live. I had high expectations.
It was perfect - everything I hoped it would be and more. I started giggling about two minutes in. It was the most perfect Eve moment I've ever seen captured: funny, meta, hard to explain to outsiders, guaranteed to be the subject of anguished posting ad nauseam... It was everything I already love about Eve, distilled into a spectacle.
I can't wait to see how anyone's going to top it next year.
You're not only forgiven, I congratulate you.
<3
Don't worry, the people who though the final was lame should try 0.0 pvp.... This was pretty much sweet revenge to all the 0.0 POS heroes, the blob fighters the loggers and the hot droppers.
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Courgette Aldente
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:36:00 -
[315]
There is a simple solution for everyone. Those who hated the final getting spoiled by idiots, just block the alliances and mark them as bad contact and kill on sight.
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Edenmain
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:49:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Courgette Aldente There is a simple solution for everyone. Those who hated the final getting spoiled by idiots, just block the alliances and mark them as bad contact and kill on sight.
Funny how with all this rage, we are still to recieve our first war declaration.....
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Lynnly Rorschach
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:51:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Courgette Aldente There is a simple solution for everyone. Those who hated the final getting spoiled by idiots, just block the alliances and mark them as bad contact and kill on sight.
good luck with that. I highly doubt you and who you represent are a significant threat to hydra and friends.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:53:00 -
[318]
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 20/06/2011 20:55:30
Originally by: Hao JinMa Dear OP,
This was the first Tournament I'd ever seen and, due to family commitments, I was only able to watch the final live. I had high expectations.
It was perfect - everything I hoped it would be and more. I started giggling about two minutes in. It was the most perfect Eve moment I've ever seen captured: funny, meta, hard to explain to outsiders, guaranteed to be the subject of anguished posting ad nauseam... It was everything I already love about Eve, distilled into a spectacle.
I can't wait to see how anyone's going to top it next year.
You're not only forgiven, I congratulate you.
I nominate this as THE best post of this entire threadnaught. Congratulations, you've won Eve.
That said, I do agree with this sentiment:
Originally by: Issler Dainze Thanks for sharing all the work you put into the AT. Both teams clearly deserved to make it to the finals. But...
If you were going to tank the final match I wish you would have done it with more style. Why not have both teams show up with low level frigates, civilian level gear and rockets then really fight it out to the end. It would have been hilarious!
~Gnosis~ |
Prozacxx
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:01:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Courgette Aldente kill on sight.
heh
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Lynnly Rorschach
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:04:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Prozacxx
Originally by: Courgette Aldente kill on sight.
heh
Prozacxx would have won the tourney solo. hydra had to hold him back to make it competitive
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Courgette Aldente
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:33:00 -
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Quote: Funny how with all this rage, we are still to receive our first war declaration.....
Wardec would be "playing by the rules".. and as we have now learned, you people dont play that way.
All I am saying that only thing you won this year is just really bad taste for the name of your alliances.
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Metlec
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:42:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Courgette Aldente
Quote: Funny how with all this rage, we are still to receive our first war declaration.....
Wardec would be "playing by the rules".. and as we have now learned, you people dont play that way.
All I am saying that only thing you won this year is just really bad taste for the name of your alliances.
What rules were broken apart from the invisible e-honour rules?
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Icylce
Frost Palace
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:45:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Edenmain
Funny how with all this rage, we are still to receive our first war declaration.....
You are not worth it
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Tech two
UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:49:00 -
[324]
guys seriously, 24 hours after the event and all the weak eve players are still creating nonsense posts.
Winners do what losers won't.
So many of you do not understand eve.
No-one cheated No-one broke any rules
Some of you got robbed of 10minutes of your life wathcing 2 mates thinking...JOB DONE and having a blast after smashing all other opposition. The simple fact is they were better than anyone else.
Does it affect anyone other than in OB or Hydra who actually won?
Ok, some people bet on OB to win... well i'm sure the people that bet on Hydra arn't complaining.
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Garmons Mom
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Posted - 2011.06.20 22:15:00 -
[325]
APPOLOGY NOT ACEPTED!
SON I AM DISAPPOINT!
(Not really, your dinners on the table)
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:23:00 -
[326]
You could have given the community a show to remember, an epic fight, an epic laugh, ANYTHING, but instead decided to take the trolling to 11 and spit in the face of CCP and 30k viewers. I hope CCP trolls you back, hard
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Dalketh
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:07:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Ludacrys You could have given the community a show to remember, an epic fight, an epic laugh, ANYTHING, but instead decided to take the trolling to 11 and spit in the face of CCP and 30k viewers. I hope CCP trolls you back, hard
THIS - and from the looks on the CCP panel's faces after that farce of a match, and from their comments today, good luck trying that travesty again next year. In the game yah you get your stupid 'lols'... to be so childish in a televised tournament was incredibly short sighted and selfish. |
SwindonBadger
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:02:00 -
[328]
I did ask CCP to have a seriouse think about banning such silly things... but they din't so I just cant feel sorry for anyone apart from my corp mates, If they forgot to collect some important corpses then no pat on the back, ill eat my way through them all.
for all you ladies who feel cheated
if you still feel sore about 0utbreak or think it was easy to keep duncan alive for so long with his muppet piloting.....
then find us in space BUT spred your legs and relaise your just another one of them.
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Kavu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:37:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Courgette Aldente There is a simple solution for everyone. Those who hated the final getting spoiled by idiots, just block the alliances and mark them as bad contact and kill on sight.
Please?
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:42:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Kavu
Originally by: Courgette Aldente There is a simple solution for everyone. Those who hated the final getting spoiled by idiots, just block the alliances and mark them as bad contact and kill on sight.
Please?
---------- The HydraBreak Perspective
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Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 13:51:00 -
[331]
Originally by: SwindonBadger I did ask CCP to have a seriouse think about banning the sheep(aka Outbreak) of Hydra
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:17:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Jos Wijnants
Originally by: SwindonBadger I did ask CCP to have a seriouse think about banning the sheep(aka Outbreak) of Hydra
please feel free to shear my fluffy coat, its summer already, baaa baa baad jokes are baaa baa baad
duncan is smaller then me, or at least I do look like a tripod with some fur
we never smack, each other, ... ever..
ever... but we always want to secretly, Ill proberly be mussled for this for another year....
does the happy dance ! before the boss shoots me, untill next year xxxxxx CCP for all the fish.
Eat Them all, let the digestion sort em out |
Jos Wijnants
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:20:00 -
[333]
Originally by: SwindonBadger
Originally by: Jos Wijnants
Originally by: SwindonBadger I did ask CCP to have a seriouse think about banning the sheep(aka Outbreak) of Hydra
please feel free to shear my fluffy coat, its summer already, baaa baa baad jokes are baaa baa baad
duncan is smaller then me, or at least I do look like a tripod with some fur
we never smack, each other, ... ever..
ever... but we always want to secretly, Ill proberly be mussled for this for another year....
does the happy dance ! before the boss shoots me, untill next year xxxxxx CCP for all the fish.
You are still a sheep to me
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Vengeance Thirst
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:09:00 -
[334]
Apology not accepted. Next tournament I'm hiring Chuck Noris and Steven Seagal and Im coming there to Kick all of your asses
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:37:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
our match was a complete disgrace m8, expected a competitive match but PL flew the amarr rush completely wrong
btw I'm going bk 2 school soon m8 so i'll b inactive on tq, any chance of me putting genos back in pl ?
Garmonation 7 - A Pure pvp movie |
Hakkar Desh Lupercal
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Posted - 2011.06.21 20:08:00 -
[336]
Grats you made it to the Hall of Shame. Where you can walk around in disgrace. It takes a man to handle responsability, your not a man yet.
Apologies not accepted.
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Electra GaafCramo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:33:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Amber Saint
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
our match was a complete disgrace m8, expected a competitive match but PL flew the amarr rush completely wrong
btw I'm going bk 2 school soon m8 so i'll b inactive on tq, any chance of me putting genos back in pl ?
And the trolling continues. Grow up guys !
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Randomize All
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:33:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Amber Saint
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
our match was a complete disgrace m8, expected a competitive match but PL flew the amarr rush completely wrong
btw I'm going bk 2 school soon m8 so i'll b inactive on tq, any chance of me putting genos back in pl ?
Holy **** have we started meta trolling?
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:20:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Randomize All
Originally by: Amber Saint
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I can't blame you for attempting to get 2 teams in the final, but that match was a disgrace. You could have at least tried to make it look real...
our match was a complete disgrace m8, expected a competitive match but PL flew the amarr rush completely wrong
btw I'm going bk 2 school soon m8 so i'll b inactive on tq, any chance of me putting genos back in pl ?
Holy **** have we started meta trolling?
C, Garm is trolling genos - it means no gang will engage a solo rupture because of :cyno: Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Maylin Li
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:14:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Kavu
Originally by: Courgette Aldente There is a simple solution for everyone. Those who hated the final getting spoiled by idiots, just block the alliances and mark them as bad contact and kill on sight.
Please?
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Shei Hullud
Amarr Kosher Nostra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:57:00 -
[341]
You're forgetting bobbits, and the scandal about their invincibility, accuse of cheating, dev support, etc. Eve became too safe and fluffy, and each time someone does something out-of-the-line people start crying...
For example and i think the best one is the Privateers, people cried - wars revamped... Lofty? fixed. Sec status hits? rised. Suicide ganks? mechanics changed.
You ask for a fair game in a game that is not designed to be one, eve is the best simulator of human society... you wanna changed it? make nyan cats paint the skies with rainbows, carebears sing, fluffy unicorns roam the space, while garden gnomes will distribute officer fitted machs and billions of isk to anyone asking? start with yourself first...
AT9 is not some bloody olympics, maybe the final fight was badly planned a bit, but they won first and second places, a feat for itself. Instead of trolling the forums claiming "i wont watch ATX (which is a lie, you'll all watch it and then come and troll about the finals like it happened last year and the year before)" get out of motsu and dodi, start playing the game as it was intended to be played and hopefully "bring it!"
Hydra/Outbreak. won the tourney fair and square, took some planning but here they are, no need to apologize, instead make them QQ moar =D Gratz on the win ^_-
On the side note: CCP should add more risk to the game, or it will become a second life in space - get back from work, log in to eve, start working...
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Ghostwind
Gallente Dead Skin Mask
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:46:00 -
[342]
Hydra just choked. It can happen to anyone - some even twice. Outbreak seemed merciful and let one of the heads live. Maybe they just celebrated too early and went AFK to drink. This is Eve - mistakes happen. Sometimes in rapid succession.
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Zereen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:25:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Kara Sandorn nevertheless, this is **** CCP should give the 2nd prize to DarkSide.
Did you even watch Outbreak vs Darkside?? It was the best match of the touney, and the best of the 2 went on. Why i dont even...
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Bubba Lafayette
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 -
[344]
Well, I don't think you should apologise for making billions of isk for all your friends. You succeeded in doing what you all set out to do, for that I can only say well done.
However, I think you have made the a lot of EVE AT watchers wonder if it is worth watching again if we get these sort of situations. I think throwing matches is low too, but you will never stop that (it is in the spirit of eve but not in the spririt of a combat tournament!).
Your alliance has caused the tourney and CCP to loose face though your actions, sadly makes the whole thing look like a arena for political manuovers, metagaming and underhanded backroom deals. Shame.
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HiRider
Macross Space Defense Squadron The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:32:00 -
[345]
You guys should have gone with 20 T1 battlecruisers for the final and just had a massive orgy in the middle of the arena. . |
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