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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:07:00 -
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EVE Online: Incarna has been deployed. Incarna 1.0 features CaptainÆs Quarters, the new Nobel Exchange, new graphics and animations for turrets, and a lot more. Please check the patch notes for full details.
Please note that any issues you may encounter with this patch should be directed to the Incarna 1.0 Issues Thread.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Jet Burns
Gallente Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:12:00 -
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No issue yet, but then still downloading
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 21/06/2011 23:34:39 Just saw the prices in the microtransaction store.
and......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh My God CCP.... The jew is strong in this one
1 x plex = 19.95 USD, 1 x Plex = 3.500 AUR. - "Looking Glass Ocular Implant": 12.000 AUR = 68.40 USD = about 5 months of gametime paid by credit card. - "Womens Sterling dress Blouse": 4.400 AUR = 25.08 USD
Brilliant.
You know, I can get cheaper real pants in my local store than I have to pay for virtual pants in this store. Well at least there is no reason to worry about excessive increase of plex usage. Also, you dont have to use the term "micro" transactions.
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Vyl Vit
Minmatar Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:16:00 -
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Vanity has its cost.
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Hoshi
The Einherjar Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:18:00 -
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Please return the ability to switch ships by dragging them from the hangar to the main view. ---------------------------------------- "Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:23:00 -
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Reserved!
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R Mika
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: R Mika on 21/06/2011 23:28:10 As one who was not sure about vanity items, I would like to personally thank CCP on this one. They are ridiculously expensive and will not be purchased.
Thanks for making it an easy choice.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmatiko on 21/06/2011 23:28:40 So where is mine Quafe T-shirt?
Originally by: Vyl Vit Vanity has its cost.
also this
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Roan Pico
Amarr I- T I E -I
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Oh My God CCP.... The JEW is strong in this one
... antisemitism is strong in ^^ this ^^ one
________________________________________________ Some people are gay, get over it ! |
Bethany Trader Hot
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 -
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WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH CCP
Let me just run right out and spend money from my family's budget on a new laptop so I can play a game that I have spent many hours building a character on just because some little prick in the dev department has decided that I can afford that.
Everything else works fine on my laptop so I see no need in wasting money on a new just for the sake of some ******* run company like CCP.
Subscription canceled...
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 21/06/2011 23:30:14
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Reserved!
When will personal guns be available on market? I want to buy a desert eagle and blow the brains out of my each character.
Thanks for making me cringe when I think of playing EVE now. I can confirm several people already stopping subscription to EVE online.
On a side note, one client runs ok, 60fps as limited by game*didn;t mess with that, I would love to have my new GPU to last at least a few more days... The noise did increase considerably. The movement is ******ed, utterly. Now we have to learn all the fricking shortcuts in EVE so we can do a single FING THING TIMELY. good bye assisting a friend on undock point or stuff like that. At least you could have added RUN option or something.... JESUS SAD SAD AND PATHETIC.
But at least I am on the first page. Holy ****, you have really done it this time....
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rampro
Heroes. Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 -
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looks amazing
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 21/06/2011 23:29:32
Originally by: Roan Pico
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Oh My God CCP.... The JEW is strong in this one
... antisemitism is strong in ^^ this ^^ one
Its slang dude, but whatever. sorry to hurt your feelings
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Argus Kell
Gallente Blackwatch Highlanders
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:30:00 -
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Brief feedback. I ****ing love it. Worth the wait. I am seriously getting me a pair of precision boots.
I think that the main screen should make more noise (mutable noise) to make it more of a main feature to pay attention to.
I had a bug when recustomizing where my trousers then my whole body turned black (as if it wasn't lit or the pixel shader was just saying 'return 0').
I've used the word incredible about eight times in the past ten minutes. Genuinely, walking out to see my megathron "first hand" was an amazing experience.
Thank you for making Eve an even better game. Such an incredible expension.
Argus
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:33:00 -
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I can't spin my ships you fuggin a$$hats!
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Ni Jien
Gallente The Knights Who 'Til Recently Said Ni
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:33:00 -
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Who was somkeing crack when they set the price for the arum exchange.. and entire plex for a jacket yea **** that i am not playing an entire month's worth of game time to pimp out my character this needs to be tweeked!
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Jess Ica
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:34:00 -
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This patch sucks as anticipated and at least for now totaly useless unless ur a guy getting excited seeing "urself" virtually. Come on this game has nothing to do with walking around and wasting time to walk from 1 console to the other.
- Add an option to turn to old station view pls as this sucks without it.
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Ava Stonlai
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:35:00 -
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Can I get an option for quieter foot stomping like we have for turret sounds? That or maybe someone could weld down the grates, or put actual rubber on my shoes.
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Jaron Terrkin
ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:37:00 -
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You got to be kidding me. Eve just jumped from 400 MB mem usage to 890MB. I got a state of the art graficcard and it s ffn laging with 2 clients logged in.
And btw...yay for the pelx prices CCP...50 Bugs for some weird looking item nobody has a use for? Are u insane?
And btw...I WANT TO GOD DAMM SPIN MY ****ING SHIP!!
Except for the new maller model...most useless expansion EVER
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:39:00 -
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What is this ****? I was all ready to buy virtual clothes but these fake clothes cost more than real clothes.
Seriously, who thought of this? Promptly fire them and hire someone not a complete moron.
My credit card is now safely back in my wallet. When these prices are reasonable get back to me.
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Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:39:00 -
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Can I just say I absolutely hate the new turret icons, they look like cartoons, and they not as easily identifiable as the old ones.
Drahcir
p.s. Reilly Duvolle can you get rid of that stupidly long hahahaha in your message, it totally screws up the formatting of the forums.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:40:00 -
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Thanks for providing WiS turn off switch. One miserable walk around the CQ and I'm done with WiS.
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:41:00 -
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1. Lights in CQ are a bit off. Maybe thats just my card, will test on another PC tomorrow.
2. Do not lower the prices on the vanity items. Yes, i am serious. They should be very expensive and exclusive. So, let the prices as is.
3. Have not tested by myself, but heard rumors of bombs in lowsec? If true: EPIC WIN.
4. Performance is better now unlike on Sisi. Cannot really tell why, i did not change my setup. **** ****
***Thank you all, i got enough corpses for now :-)***)
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CORPSE FEMALE
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: CORPSE FEMALE on 21/06/2011 23:42:28 I am horrible about this.
Russians take aim! Operation Red Dawn is in effect!
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Angel HUN
Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:41:00 -
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Why did you waste so much time on this?
Please give hanger view back, and make Incarna something that you CHOOSE to enter once in station.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
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Druj Andarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 -
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Minor, MINOR difficulty with new patch:
There was an unexpected error while retrieving update status:
Unable to download file mac/evepremiumpatch267203-271273-mac.tgz from the server. Error: url //cdn1.eveonline.com/mac/evepremiumpatch267203-271273-mac.tgz not found
Do you want to go to support page?"
Yes and no both have no effect...
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Xessej
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 -
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Choosing the option to not load station environment does not give you back the old view of your ship that everyone is used to. It puts up a useless wall with a useless psuedo door.
Please give those of us who didn't want incarna and will never use incarna the ability to keep playing Eve just like we always have.
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Liner Xiandra
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Liner Xiandra on 21/06/2011 23:45:45 I turned off my CQ after just 5 minutes when it finally loaded. No thank you on claustrophobic, unresponsive, slowloading, unusable user interface.
The stripminer effects are... underwhelming to say the least. I see just a single blue line? Even less impressive than the ice mining strips effect from incursions&before.
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 -
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Mwhaahaha, 4 x PLEX for an ocular implant??
Turrets are cool, WiS was and is vaporware. GTFO.
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flammkuchen
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:43:00 -
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Quick Feedback: Update is overall lame.
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Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:43:00 -
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Disabled CQ after it caused my laptop to practically grind to a halt - this is a 1 year old Thinkpad T510 with 4Gigs of memory and Nvidia NVS 3100M discrete graphics. It's not so much the quality as the extra memory it needs. Spaceships! |
Natalie Dorgiers
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:45:00 -
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Can't figure out how to lie down on the bed, and the ramp down to my pod seems inaccessible; do I need to click on something? And I tried clicking on the little orange computer panels. It looks like they should do something, but nothing happens when I click or go near them. Is there a way to "drink" from the cans and bottles I see all over the place? Or at least put some of the empty ones in the garbage? Also, the screens on the TV thing only show stuff I'm not doing right now. Is there a way to change those to something more relevant? How do I let other people into my room?
I guess I'm just not really clear what I'm supposed to be doing.
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bek Thyron 2. Do not lower the prices on the vanity items. Yes, i am serious. They should be very expensive and exclusive. So, let the prices as is.
They should be expensive, but they shouldn't cost more than the real thing.
I expected most things to be around $1-2, with some cooler more exclusive things to be around $5-10. You know, like in every other game that is popular.
I'm not paying more for virtual things than the thing in real life would cost. I don't care how "cool" it is, that's ******ed. It has nothing to do with how much I do or do not have. I could get a PLEX in a day easily in game or just drop money on it NP, but I won't because it's simply ridiculous to pay more for fake crap than the real crap.
Jew hard CCP, jew hard. It's probably just high to milk early adopters.
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CCP Caedmon
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:46:00 -
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If you are having performance issues it is possible to adjust your graphics settings in the "Display & Graphics" tab of the Esc Menu.
Additionally there is a check-box called "Load Station Environment" under the "Graphic Content Settings" column on the right hand side of the "Display & Graphics" tab. Uncheck this box to replace the station environment with a static image the next time you dock (if you are currently in a station you must undock and redock to see the change take effect).
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Killitt
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:46:00 -
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Here's an idea.... when your trying to sell something...start off AFFORDABLE!!!
Then raise prices as demand increases. EVERYONE in the world is not the rich camera toting ****** tourist im sure your used to in Iceland.
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Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:46:00 -
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***Reserved*** -----
Whoever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my Autocannons. |
Trading Advisor
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:46:00 -
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CQ turned off after one trip to balcony and back. Character moves to slow and UI is ****. BRING BACK SPINING SHIPS!!!!!!!
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Bloph
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:47:00 -
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ROTFL! I have a billion isk, now what should I buy? A Carrier perhaps, a megathron BPO or a looking glass. That's just plain ridiculous.
As for the CQ - sucks the life out of an ATI Radeon 4800 (1GB) 5fps with the station environment loaded, 20fps with the station environment disabled.
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Myrkala
Minmatar Rebel Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 -
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Confirming that virtual clothes in EVE cost more than clothes in the real world.
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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Minmatar? More like Winmatar.
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 -
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Also...
Originally by: Jaron Terrkin And btw...I WANT TO GOD DAMM SPIN MY ****ING SHIP!!
^ this.
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Thaliya Dejar
Fallen Angel's White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 -
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hm... what ever you did, i love it. Eve is down to 15 % CPU usage in space... GJ
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Hecate Lamia
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 -
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Here in my Wormhole, the only difference I see is the opening screen has laggy video. I'm excited
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Argus Kell
Gallente Blackwatch Highlanders
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jess Ica This patch sucks as anticipated and at least for now totaly useless unless ur a guy getting excited seeing "urself" virtually. Come on this game has nothing to do with walking around and wasting time to walk from 1 console to the other.
Just wanted to add that I agree that at the moment the station environment is utterly pointless but this release paves the way for the bits that are going to add a real level of immersion like holding corp meetings 'in person' with the ability to give presentations or socialising in station with your corpies and playing bar games rather than sitting outside the station using the chat client.
Obviously not every expansion is for everyone. Faction Warfare isn't too most peoples taste and not everyone can be bothered with Incursions, but some people love those elements like I'm really excited about Incarna.
It's a cool expansion and I guess like it or not, its happening as its the direction CCP want for their game.
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Retard ThoseTards
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 -
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Old hangar view back, this captain quarters eye candy is pointless, at least put the option back in for the old view, unchecking load station environment, just leaves you with a pointless background of a door, all in all, rubbish update.
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Glarbl Blarbl
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:51:00 -
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When I got up this morning and saw that the rollout would be delayed I said "Okay, I can be patient". So I downloaded the patch for my mac thinking I'd be ahead of the game. Foolish apparently, because buried in the deployment thread was an "announcement" that the mac patch did not work. Why this couldn't be added to the end of one of your twitter posts is beyond me. Very frustrating that I'm going to have to wait an extra 5 hours to play when I have a day off that I could have used to play the game. I did pay for that privilege, you know.
Mass communication is supposed to be easy on the internet, but I had to wade through 46 pages of whining to find out about the messed up patch. This is unacceptable. Next time, if there is a problem you should effing tweet it. That's what twitter is for.
PS: It would be really nice if there were some sort of in-game compensation for this BS. I've only been playing this game for a couple months, and I'm already extremely frustrated with how often the service I paid for is unavailable.
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Seth Gibson
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:52:00 -
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Yep, the first glance at prices and it was enough for me to close NeX. )) On the secong thought -- if that fancy $70 oculars would allow us to see something we previously didn't -- that would be nice. E.g. battle-time hit log (like in most MMOs) or +1 to Foreseeing)) or even real life outwear "copies". :) For now I will enjoy the view of my Ships (not as epic and exciting as expected though) only. Apart of all that I think there was no reason in adding another currency. Not like that I mean. Pity. I was hoping for better idea implementation...
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Jess Ica
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jess Ica on 21/06/2011 23:52:57
Originally by: CCP Caedmon If you are having performance issues it is possible to adjust your graphics settings in the "Display & Graphics" tab of the Esc Menu.
Additionally there is a check-box called "Load Station Environment" under the "Graphic Content Settings" column on the right hand side of the "Display & Graphics" tab. Uncheck this box to replace the station environment with a static image the next time you dock (if you are currently in a station you must undock and redock to see the change take effect).
Well why not just add a new button to switch between old station view (not the stupid static on when pressing the load station enviroment) and the incarna first useless first person view?
The shop items are for geeks/freaks and lowlives who don't have something better to do with their money. But hell good it's not mandatory to use.
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Conlina
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 -
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UMMM WELL I USED TO GET 60-100FPS NOW ........... 3-6FPS WHAT A P.I.S.S.T.A.K.E SORRY BUT THIS ****ING SUX WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO IT BUT NOW EAT MY A.R.S.E :)
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Imuran
Zentor Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: ****** ThoseTards Old hangar view back, this captain quarters eye candy is pointless, at least put the option back in for the old view, unchecking load station environment, just leaves you with a pointless background of a door, all in all, rubbish update.
This - at the momemt at least it is totally pointless
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elenor drifter
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:56:00 -
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ok i have foundout how to turn off station interiors... just dissable station enviroment from settings
although you will only see a bulkhead:
can you make that screen more user friendly?
maby add:
-the avatar stood there -a visual representation of active ship (make it interactable for drag/drop ship changes) -the news window -or agent finder -or default it to ship fitting with drag/drop functionality
any of these would be greatly apriceated by myself and others
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helmeo
Caldari Star Mandate
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:56:00 -
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having issues with shortcuts, none of the shortcuts seem to work. seems like it's only me, but hopefully someone else has the same problem and maybe has a solution to the problem.
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Jess Ica
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Argus Kell
Originally by: Jess Ica This patch sucks as anticipated and at least for now totaly useless unless ur a guy getting excited seeing "urself" virtually. Come on this game has nothing to do with walking around and wasting time to walk from 1 console to the other.
Just wanted to add that I agree that at the moment the station environment is utterly pointless but this release paves the way for the bits that are going to add a real level of immersion like holding corp meetings 'in person' with the ability to give presentations or socialising in station with your corpies and playing bar games rather than sitting outside the station using the chat client.
Obviously not every expansion is for everyone. Faction Warfare isn't too most peoples taste and not everyone can be bothered with Incursions, but some people love those elements like I'm really excited about Incarna.
It's a cool expansion and I guess like it or not, its happening as its the direction CCP want for their game.
Yeah but as u said Faction Warfare is for those who want to do it and not mandatory. So if i like FW i do it if not i stay away and don't need to bother with it. So far this Incarna thing is mandatory and i can't avoid it. That's what i want changed!
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Holy Cheater
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Holy Cheater on 22/06/2011 00:03:48 - I want to rotate my ship. - I do not want captain's HQ which drops my second in-space window fps to 20-30 from 120. - These monkeys which I see in captain's HQ is not what I created in character creator. The graphics quality really sucks. It's ugly. - Have you tried playing with new turret icons yourself before releasing it? If you are used to locking more than one target, you'll have a problem determining what target you have activated your guns onto.
I'm dissapointed.
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oowa
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:59:00 -
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I can buy a whole ******* real outfit for the cost of some of those things. I get it, you need to pay off the cost for items. But SURELY you didnt need to charge 60 bucks for a damn vanity item. I have seen in other games with vanity items some costing maybe 1$, even 5$ for a highly detailed one. But....12000 aurum? damn. |
Conlina
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:59:00 -
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Literally like i was saying i thought this patch would be good and that they would at least get there stuff right..... so what r the new system requirements??????? asmine used to run it fine now i can even take a step forward and all that shows on my character is my frickin hair. :( not pleased not at all and to think i gave CCP prolly ú150 for a game when i could go out and buy a console game for ú40 that works 100% of the time (unless u own a 360 that is)sux balls lots
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Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:59:00 -
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Someone put the decimal point in the wrong place in the Noble store.
(maybe they use commas for points in Iceland?) Spaceships! |
Leon Razor
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 21/06/2011 23:45:53 Just saw the prices in the RMT store.
and......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh My God CCP.... The jew is strong in this one
1 x plex = 19.95 USD, 1 x Plex = 3.500 AUR. - "Looking Glass Ocular Implant": 12.000 AUR = 68.40 USD = about 5 months of gametime paid by credit card. - "Womens Sterling dress Blouse": 4.400 AUR = 25.08 USD
Brilliant.
You know, I can get cheaper real pants in my local store than I have to pay for virtual pants in this store. Well at least there is no reason to worry about excessive increase of plex usage. Also, you dont have to use the term "micro" transactions.
Basically came here to make this post (sans the possibly antisemitic remark). If I can choose between ~400 mil ISK and one pair pants, I'm gonna choose the option that nets me e.g. 40 PvP interceptor hulls. Not sure how clothing is more expensive then battleships in the super-future. As it stands right now, I will not be converting anything to AUG. Please change the pricing scheme to something sensible CCP. Thanks.
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Liner Xiandra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Liner Xiandra on 22/06/2011 00:02:16 Some stuff that should have been caught in general testing:
* New strip miner I effect is just a thin blue line, with sound effect of Mining Laser I. Surely can't be right. * Strip miner icon next to the targetted asteroid is incredibly low-res. * Angel Cartel world-sound effect loop keeps on playing, doesn't even reset when docking back at station * Some asteroids appear with 0 ar 0 st, while others have full bars.
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Quindaster
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:01:00 -
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Impossible after dock or login fast undock, because you don't know what kind of ship you sit actually, and you need to search which ship is selected in your hangar. But I have 60 different ships in dock and i need to scroll all the ships to find which one is selected.
It's absolutely stupid idea from ccp.
Return ability to use old view on our ships by select this settings in settings menu!!!
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Andrew Charante
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:01:00 -
[60]
Old hanger was better
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Lord Zengin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zengin on 22/06/2011 00:05:56 This Update simply makes no sense ... handling station routines is slowed down to a minimum but we get close to nothing in exchange? Ok, I can now see my char scratching his neck every 10 seconds with some ugly clipping errors occuring while doing so, but that should not be everything!
Sorry, but whoever gave his Go for this Release must be insane.
Oh, and btw: I still expect added playtime for DDoS and extended downtime!
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Someone put the decimal point in the wrong place in the Noble store.
(maybe they use commas for points in Iceland?)
I am officially labeling this the RMT-store. Its the same marketing departement that want to charge players that develop EFT, EVEMON and DOTLAN 99 USD per year for doing CCPs job. These "bizdevs" must be stoned out of their ****ing skull.
:facepalm:
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 -
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After an initial look, it was a matter of seconds before I'd turned off 'Flickering in Cubicles' (my nVidia card is neither new nor high quality, so the textures were screwed up, to say the least).
Turrets look nice. Noble Exchange is a joke, and an unbelievably expensive one at that. Spiffy new icon on the 'Help (F12)' button if I'm not mistaken.
Successful expansion?
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Bruno Steinshmidt
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 -
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Dear idiots, please note you still have an undock button.
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 -
[65]
Quote: [23:50:48] Ehdward > Incarna was made to secretly motivate everyone to get out of stations and shoot stuff :-)
THIS. not sure if "secretly" fits here.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:06:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Myrkala Confirming that virtual clothes in EVE cost more than clothes in the real world.
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Way to go CCP another point of outrage, keep it up 2 more and I get a free bottle of vodka.
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Conlina
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:07:00 -
[67]
BOYCOTT PREMIUM ITEMS..... NOBODY BUY IT DONT FUND THESE FOOLS :) THEY R IN IT FOR YOUR MONEY... i know some of u will buy this premium junk but really WTF r they doing with the prices haha they make me sick (CCP) was fully in support of u until this patch now u can reep in the danger of hah ?
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Greg lawlers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:10:00 -
[68]
my only comments thus far is that the agent finder feature is good, but it could use a bit more filter options and display information. this is what i want...
id like to be able to find all locator agents near me that i have access to. id like to know the population of the system the agent is located in, is the system active with mission runners or is it quiet? how many jumps per hour. i'd like to know how close the closest low sec system is to the system the agent is in. i'd like to know if there has been criminal activity in the system and or constellation, and how much?
i realize that many of these can be found using the star map but having this information in addition to the new agent finder features at a glance would really help making the right choice of which agent to use. |
Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:12:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 22/06/2011 00:15:30
1. Aurum Prices These are not only unreasonable, they are outright insane and megalomanic. In combination with "Monetizing your App" this sends a pretty strong message of Greed to the playerbase, one that at least with this subscriber of > 4 years is not well received.
2. Office
- Nice fluff, shiny, no added functionality at all.
- The provided functionality is so clunky to use,
that it will never be able to replace the old 2D menus.
- FPS is horrible on a 965BE, ATI6850 and 8 GB Ram.
- The make up of my character looks different from the editor and outright cheap.
- To be honest, the best thing about the office currently, is the ability to turn it off.
3. Turrets/Maller & Co. CBA to fly to the station with my combat ships and check. I am rather looking forward to these additions, that have something to do with, you know.. spaceships and pew pew.
4.NO SPINNING ?!"!!!"!" I do not care about the size of my characters bust. What I do care about are the shiny barrels of my lazors and my shiny golden hulls spinning, gently touched by the station spotlights.
Give us back spinning!!!
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:13:00 -
[70]
Why would I post more feedback here when you ignored all our feedback in test server feedback?
To reiterate.
Bring back the old hanger view so CQ is not mandatory on docking
give us separate graphics settings for in space and in Incarna
put the pod in a room, not on the end of the balcony
improve performance so recommended spec machines don't melt
having reinstated the hanger view, remove the crappy in space UI from Incarna and give us a proper one designed especially for it (one that works in the environment not opening windows that cover it).
make things in incarna take time, so every step away from the pod is one that has to be taken back.
the lighting sucks, if their are only a few sweet spots in which the avatar looks good you are doing it wrong, add more uplighting, and wall lighting, if you still want dark and gloomy, make the walls darker and less reflective, and then up the lighting so our chars still get properly lit,
the vanity store is a catastrophically bad idea, and the pricing is laughable. get rid of it. No to MT in eve.
give us back unlimited ship fittings
make it optional to create a new portrait when recustomising our chars, we shouldn't need a new passport photo for changing our hair.
fix the bug that means you have to wear invisible trousers under the dress
fix the camera offset so walking forwards is forwards for the char not towards centre screen (dual screen issue), and keep camera offset for zooming out. Also probably make it go the same way as the in space offset not the opposite way from in space
Communicate more, sooner, and better... you know what I am talking about. If we knew that you were trying to do here, we could have told you how dim it was before you spent ages coding it.
I would also recommend for future patches including known bugs/defects in the patchnotes, with assurance they will be fixed in later patches. That way people know before hand.
and I DID tell you so.
Also, if you remove the current only option of having a half decent dock, in disabling CQ with 'don't load station environment' is removed... I will be unsubbing. --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:13:00 -
[71]
Processor usage is on rather unacceptable level when client(s) are minized to task bar. They seem to eat constantly 25-30% cpu/each and that is not what I was looking for. Old client took pretty much zero when minimized.
Other than that CQ seems to be working ok. Maybe would like to zoom camera out and in bit further than it is now possible... and perhaps ships floating in hangar could be little lower.
------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Rysdan Phar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:14:00 -
[72]
cq was a waste of time tbh.
firstly it makes the client very laggy
secondly it will cost ccp alt accounts cos triple boxing now very much not possible
thirdly why was my tcu offline yet i still have sov in my system.... 8 hours to online it again and another 84mil isk too damn you ccp :(
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:16:00 -
[73]
Old station environment option. DO IT, NOW. No, that static screen crap can go burn in a fire.
What else... Old station environment option and i think old station environment option would be nice.
Also MICROtransactions CCP, not UBERtransactions, just a hint. -------------------------------- No sig, is a sig as well. |
Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:17:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Alrione Old station environment option. DO IT, NOW. No, that static screen crap can go burn in a fire.
What else... Old station environment option and i think old station environment option would be nice.
Also MICROtransactions CCP, not UBERtransactions, just a hint.
old station environment is no longer there...yes u get a lame ass background pic but the client still lags like mad
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Darin Ahan Parmana
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:19:00 -
[75]
I don't find controlling my characters very intuitive, nor do they always (appear) responsive. It gives me a "click and hope for the best" kind of feel which is rather icky.
I'm disappointed when it comes to the difference in quality between my portrait render and how my characters look in-game. I'm actually disgusted by some of my avatars now.
Running multiple clients as before with CQ enabled isn't an option for me it seems, the game becomes rather choppy. That means I'm now forced to look at some CQ themed wallpaper when I'm docked, rather than the station environment I was used to. It sucks, it really does. Yes, I've read the Devblog about this. What's happened however, is that my gaming experience has been degraded.
I'm disappointed at how expensive AUR items are, which makes me worry even more about the possible impact on the EVE economy and my ability to play the game via PLEX.
Combined with me feeling more and more disconnected from CCP give the more and more frequent promotion of alcohol abuse, I find it's time for to do some serious thinking about whether I still want to play this game and be associated with it. I've been an avid supporter of EVE Online since I started playing in 2004, but I feel I'm genuinely losing my faith in the company and its flagship product.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 -
[76]
been in game for 6 years now. this expansion has to be the biggest waste of time and effort ive seen.
qc has made this game unplayible for lots of people. for others its just an anoyance(i want the double click cargo option back ffs) for soem it will be fun for a while til they relise its pointless.
noble exchange, well here you have out done yourselves. you have left everyone with no doubt where ccp has gone in recent years. it outlines that you are trying to milk the cash cow for every little drop of isk you can get.
well done, worst expansion to date
oh yeh forgot, move the dam isk amounts in the wallet back to the left for god sake
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:21:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 22/06/2011 00:20:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4 <-- general feeling about Incarna
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MATTHIAS LODGE
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:21:00 -
[78]
Download the entire build for Mac now? Thanks CCP! I'm in the arctic on satellite wireless internet and now it IMPOSSIBLE to play.. just great..
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 -
[79]
clothes price are crazy. if you think these price will resolve your stockpilling problem you're either totally drunk, or eve is full of idiots. i wonder which answer is the least worse... and yeah i'm currently on a pretty high rage level.
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Ans Blix
Amarr Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 -
[80]
On the Planet Mode for PI, when you open a Extractor Control Unit, under Survey - viewing the Survey Program, the graphic for the number of days doesn't show up
Also i keep disconnecting. ------------------------------------ - Ans Blix The battle of Will over Reason
Silence is a true friend that never betrays |
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Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar TotalControl Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 -
[81]
FFS! - - - This signature intentionally left both short and blank. - - -
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[82]
Incarna Feedback
Problems
- Lack of hangar view (or similar) ruin both immersion and performance
- Lack of smooth believable transition between :spaceships: and :walking: ruin immersion and makes "going off the grid" trivial
- I want to enjoy incarna at it fullest (graphically) and have the hardware for it BUT when idling I don't want my GPU to work for nothing and the only way around this is:
- Disable "load station enviroment"
- Lower graphic settings to lowest (which doesn't improve performance enough tbh)
- Leave settings to max but open the map which will stop the GPU usage
None of which are satisfying
- How do my character manage to go from being outside the station naked inside her pod to be fully dressed in the latest space-fashion inside a station in 20 seconds?
I want to make it clear that I'm not whining about incarna itself but rather the implementation of it. Going "off grid" should be different than just being docked. The fact that adding an "exit pod"-button solves a myriad of problems and question from both a game performance perspective, immersion perspective and even a usability perspective makes you look very stubborn CCP. Adding such a button is a boost to incarna, not a "nerf" and I hope you realize that.
//Rixiu
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Calhoun Connor
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[83]
+my 2c: ] i want to spin my ship! ] thumbs up to incarna for me, i think it will be better when we'll be able to open that door to the station... ] aur price is insanely high, but i agree to keep it high, so i'll never think on having some crazy saturday shopping ] incarna on my nb w7 is doing well, since now. i'm downloading mac version on the mbp at 670kB/s (not high but, well, green bar is moving...), hope to have no surprises after 5gb of package... ] i think that's correct to find my char into the hangar when i undock (and not in the cq). i mean, it's realistic... (but may be this will get angry all pvpers-pew-pew...)
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Nikolas March
Gallente Federation of Ancient Mariners
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous I can't spin my ships you fuggin a$$hats!
i thought i was alone in ship spinning :)
and yes as someone else mentioned, we need RUN ability, apart from that its good, except a loss of eve capability on a different pc
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Vhuchi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[85]
Lol i guess the Icelandic gov is demanding higher taxes since they can't pay back The Netherlands and the UK after IceSave collapsed. Poor CCP has to hope someone is crazy enough to buy virtual clothes which are more expensive than RL clothes, to avoid bankruptcy |
Lord Zengin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Lord Zengin on 22/06/2011 00:26:05 Gave Incarna another 10 minutes ... just cannot believe this! The more I look at it, the more I think they just did not know what they were doing - how can CCP completely destroy the grown UX of all these years? I understand that sometimes a big leap has to be done setting the course for the future ... but this is a desaster! U have work to do CCP!
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Ste'ven Sch'orik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[87]
Now my gpu is overheating even on lowest graphical settings. No actual improvement graphically in anything other than turrets and somehow my gpu is overheating when just before this patch it was running fine. What the heck did yall do in order for this to happen! I'll be lucky if I can even run a single mission. WTH CCP. WTH! ________________________________________________
Roses are red and violets are blue, you shoot at me and you will die too. |
Hwi Ix
Gallente New Eden Trade Union Genesis Invictus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[88]
Sentry drones still hardly have a firing animation. They blink when they fire, but other than that, there isn't much difference between them and a space buoy... this was the one thing I was actually looking forwards to in this expansion
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Siu Yuen
Genco
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:24:00 -
[89]
Fail. Just fail.
The turrets are cool tho, and that makes up for it, right?
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Seishi Maru
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 -
[90]
My seriosu feedback CCP. You never ever disapointed me that much as you disapoitned today. Won't even list what is wrong because basically what you delivered us is a childish excuse for a software.
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Death Cell
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 -
[91]
I love the new expansion, CCP!
Captain's Quarters is REALLY COOL and the graphics are perfectly awesome. I cannot wait to interact with other players in stations! =)
Keep up the great work CCP! I love everything about this patch.
Also, just ignore all the nay sayers, the path you guys are taking now with the game is the best. ^^
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streaml1ne
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:25:00 -
[92]
P!ss ****in poor turret icons, can barely make out what's what, they're so friggin dark and I second the strip miner icon being super low res. Strip miner beams suck if you zoom out to see the bigger picture. All of the beams suck really when zoomed out, they're too thin. I used to be able to tell if something was shooting me when zoomed out, can barely make it out anymore. Could care less about the walking in station or vanity item BS, they're both features I'll never use. I was somewhat excited by the turret make-over and performance blogs recently, total let down. Graphics performance sucks btw when one of my 5 clients is docked. GTX-480, Core i7-2500k overclocked to 4.4ghz so it's not my system.
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Jaron Terrkin
ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:26:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Death Cell I love the new expansion, CCP!
Captain's Quarters is REALLY COOL and the graphics are perfectly awesome. I cannot wait to interact with other players in stations! =)
Keep up the great work CCP! I love everything about this patch.
Also, just ignore all the nay sayers, the path you guys are taking now with the game is the best. ^^
Die in a fire
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Roh Voleto
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:26:00 -
[94]
Can I please take my bra off, CCP? I promise I'll be a modest girl and always wear a shirt, but this bra is really uncomfortable. It hurts and makes me look like a desperate old lady with bolted on breasts.
Not to speak of my Gallente scout, whose chest looks seriously deformed now.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:27:00 -
[95]
So far I like the CQ...performance is good on my two PC's (haven't downloaded the client for our Mac yet...don't expect it'll perform well at all on that). Turrets look great in the splash screen (haven't seen them in game yet) and the new icons look good too. Only spent a few moments with it, so I don't have much more to add right now.
I wish I had more positive stuff to say about the NEX, but honestly I'm totally stunned by the prices. Wow...just, wow... Whoever decided on these (the accountants??) needs a serious spanking. Until they get to a reasonable level, I won't be buying a thing...and I was so looking forward to it too. Color me disappointed. ~Gnosis~ |
Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:27:00 -
[96]
Wow. 4 months game time, over $100 or somewhere over a billion ISK for one, single monacle? What kind of idiot is going to pay that much money for such an insignificant thing? And I'm glad it's insignificant, but I also know that never in a million years will I spend 12,000 AUR on a bloody monacle.
I really, really want to know what made you come up with these prices.
Maybe these items are supposed to be for the true elite I also want my damn Quafe t-shirt. -
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Gehnster
Gallente RED SUN RISING
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:28:00 -
[97]
I'm liking the patch so far guys, keep up the great work.
People are having lag issues and that sucks, but isn't that to be expected by now on a big patch?
AURs items are super expensive but you already said that, as the market already works, they will be adjusted accordingly. Prices have to start somewhere I guess.
Can't wait until the atmo is ready for me in the station!
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Wicked SickX
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:29:00 -
[98]
Personally, I have much more fun messing around in the Captain's Quarters than I did spinning a ship around for hours on end. There's more to do and see and interact with.
We've been station spinning for seven years, it's time for something different.
Best patch ever, CCP! Truly love what you have done!
(Im being serious, I really do love this patch)
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Nefera Sen
The Boondock Saints
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:30:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Nefera Sen on 22/06/2011 00:33:56 Because I pay monthly by Pay-Pal without auto repeat, I am unable to cancel my sub in indignation at the prices in the vanity store.
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Psy Smythe
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:31:00 -
[100]
Normally don't post in these type of threads; but so far:
The black turret icon next to the ship you are firing on is very hard to see against the black background of space.
Locking sounds are quieter then they were before; while the rest of the effects are louder.
Setting the ALT key as the default for "Look At"; means that half the time that you alt-tab out of the game and back you are face to face with what ever you had locked before you alt-tabbed. This needs to default to a different key.
Takes over 30 seconds to load the station enviroment when docking. This is just way too long.
Drones are back to not listening as well as they were before the patch. With some of them not following the command given.
Quote: òThe number of jamming NPCs in over 75 Caldari and Gurista sites has been re-balanced. Please warp into danger to find out more.
Looks like now in missions like Blockade that you are permajammed anytime the jamming NPC's are out. Even with only 1 jamming ship left on the field; I was unable to get a lock until they were within 12km of me and lock times were in the 45 to 60 second range.
While I've not ran into as many issues as when 1.6 was deployed; I'll be turning off CQ since it takes way to long to load.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:31:00 -
[101]
Hurry up and put in public areas so I can fling poop at CCP devs for making this horrible expansion.
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Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:32:00 -
[102]
Hmm I guess that CCP doesn't want me running multiple accounts. Guess I shall close out another 2 on top of the 2 I closed earlier.
The moving is worse then SWG NGE. That is saying something.
Camera doesn't focus in.
To dark.
Completely useless.
and you won't read a damn one of these comments.
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EliteM
Your Hearts Are Justified Tonight
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:33:00 -
[103]
Edited by: EliteM on 22/06/2011 00:34:45 All things considered, I have to say CQ is actually pretty good. I know it's just the initial launch, and you really can't do a lot right now. But on the whole, it is good.
One big issue I've noticed is the whole "Forcing people to use it" thing. There really should be an option for exiting your ship and walking around. I do hope this is something you take into account.
As for the turrets, aside from the icons, they look amazing. Obviously there is going to have to be a patch, I think having a say in walking around is something that needs to be addressed. But as a framework for walking in stations, I have to say, pretty nicely done.
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Dimension Secretary
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:33:00 -
[104]
The zoom is pretty dumb. I zoom in and see wall, av is hidden below my chat windows. AV lighting on gangway to dock makes my char look like a Zombie lol. Your prices for a skirt are insane. 20 us$ for a skirt? I can buy a real one for that lol.
And I have also a question: Where is the toilet ? ;)
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Akors Pendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:34:00 -
[105]
800mm autocannon have no bullet animation the 650mm looks awesome, but the 650mm autocannon sucks nobody fitt it. Thats hard to say 800mm sucks befor incarna to but locks better than after
cpts quarter yes fine potenzial in the future, but at this time how can i swith back to hangarwatch?
i think many many fixes comes hope it
ah plex prices exploding in few months over 600mios isk promise
/sry for bad english not my motherlinguage
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Juziri
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:34:00 -
[106]
In short words: Incarna totally sucks so far.
- CQ is horribly. Performance is total crap, even on lowest settings. It doesn't give any new features, and disabling it leaves an ugly wallpaper. Ship spinning is gone for good. - The cash shop is a joke... 12000 aurum for a single item? WTF! Some cloths I can get cheaper in real life... - The update broke "mouse over scroll" even more... In stations I need to activate every window before I can scroll it, which sucks.
CCP is really ****ing me off lately... Dust 514 PS3 exclusive, alliance with Sony (I hate $ony)... The greed for more money (developer license, aurum shop). The rigged alliance tournament finale. Now incarna. I'm a patient person, really. But if this is the way CCP will go, I might go another way in the future.
PS: NO you can't have my stuff!
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:36:00 -
[107]
4 clients...my pc is kind of crapping itself if I have it enabled at all. I can run 1 client fine with CQ on high settings though.
Agent finder is pretty sweet. It was pretty annoying have to use eve-agents.com + map to try find nearby agents.
Turrets and maller hull are cool.
Shame about the rest.
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Glarbl Blarbl
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:36:00 -
[108]
Yay! 20% done re-downloading the ****ing client! Only 4 more hours until I can play again!
**** you CCP.
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:37:00 -
[109]
I don't mind the captains quarters so much, I do wish that you could move your character using the arrow keys instead of clicking with the mouse.
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Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:38:00 -
[110]
Originally by: CCP Caedmon If you are having performance issues it is possible to adjust your graphics settings in the "Display & Graphics" tab of the Esc Menu.
Additionally there is a check-box called "Load Station Environment" under the "Graphic Content Settings" column on the right hand side of the "Display & Graphics" tab. Uncheck this box to replace the station environment with a static image the next time you dock (if you are currently in a station you must undock and redock to see the change take effect).
To hell with that. Give us the option to use the old, perfectly useable hanger view.
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:38:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 22/06/2011 00:38:55
Originally by: Vierego
and you won't read a damn one of these comments.
you are wrong. They will read those 5-6 that said expansion is COOL. the other 200 that say a BIG F'ING NO, they will not.
P.S. WASD configuration for movement works. Still, INCARNA BLOWS.
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Rigel Silek
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:38:00 -
[112]
I played around Incarna on SiSi so I had a good idea of what was coming. But then I patched my client and loaded up TQ and all I can say is I'm very disappointed with the Noble Exchange. I had no delusions about the stuff on there being only 1 AUR like they are on SiSi but the prices... I can't see this doing anything but hurting EVE buy upsetting many players. I thought CCP was all about free content additions and patches? I could accept things better if all the stuff that was in the exchange on SiSi was on TQ and all of it could be bought with converting a single PLEX to AUR. Either the exchange rate needs to be GREATLY increased or the prices need a drastic cut. I would think 100-500 AUR per item would be reasonable. Also, I think some things, such as the mens 'commando' pants, need work to better blend with boots and shirts. They just look silly the way they are; though maybe it's just my toon?
One thing I've thought since the first time loading up CQ on SiSi was that I want to RUN! Walking is fine and realistic but come on... I certainly hope that the ability to run is added in at some point or no one will be doing things in stations as it will take too long to get anywhere!
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Dardanos Herakles
Caldari Forced aggressions Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:40:00 -
[113]
Dear CCP
The next time you have a thought... let it go. ---Ron White
:D
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EliteM
Your Hearts Are Justified Tonight
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:40:00 -
[114]
Just noticed the prices in the exchange... WTF? I honestly hope those are just typing errors. Nobody is going to pay for any of that stuff. As I said a minute ago, there really needs to be a patch to sort all of this stuff out.
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niroshido
Caldari Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:40:00 -
[115]
After playing eve for so long, after patching eve with every new patch since i started playing, i will admit to being utterly dissapointed.
> The Aura prices on vanity items are ******ed. > The CQ loading when docking up is slow > The walking around is glitchy, if not sluggish. > The turret models on an abaddon are so small, i had to zoom in to actually realise that my ship actually had turrets on it, in spite of clearly seeing the icon on my UI, i wasn't convinced the models were there at all until i was so close i could see the hairs growing on my clones ass from the pod.
As we (the player base, your customers) have stated before. We would prefer to stick with the same old graphics so that YOU would fix the game rather than jerk us off with rubbish content that has clearly no application except for show, if i wanted to see what it was like to walk around, i would get off my fat ass and walk around my room, glancing out at the real world from time to time
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:41:00 -
[116]
Everything is working fine but I think the numbers are wrong in the vanity store (and half the items are yet to be seeded).
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Althus Treefingers
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:43:00 -
[117]
As was said above, why ask for feedback now if you ignored it during testing?
Otherwise:- So much for physical cloth? My open jacket looks like it's glued to my butt and shirt.
- No running! Apparently, CQs are next to an invisible swimming pool. Or maybe our moms are in there somewhere, yelling at us.
- Seriously? Where's the real expansion?
Gonna go shoot stuff now. Apparently that part turned out pretty well.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:44:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 22/06/2011 00:44:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ
this is incarna...would be funny if it wasn't so sad
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Gadriel Dovgal
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:45:00 -
[119]
Put it back the way it was and add a "Leave Ship" button for the people interested in this nonsense. I have no interest in anything that makes it take longer to dock and undock in an emergency situation or causes my clients to run slower while one is docked.
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Cheekything
Gallente Black Lance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:47:00 -
[120]
Change the turret icons back.
I'm happy with the rest but the icons make it nearly impossible to know what's what any more.
Use artistic renditions not the live model stuff.
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Aessaya
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:48:00 -
[121]
Despite being enthusiastic for the whole WiS thing right from first hints at '07 fanfest, my current opinion of this expansion can fit into 4 letter word beginning with an 's' and enging with a 't'.
If you've had it optional to enter CQ and kept it separate from the hangar view (it adds more immersion to the gameplay: you wanna play spaceships, you click "undock", you wanna go have a stroll around the station, you click "disembark", it ain't that hard, wight?). Now i will most likely unset the CQ for all of my clients and leave it there forever. Thank you, CCP, for ruining my last hopes for the incarna.
p.s. turrets are awesome, but even they don't save the whole expansion... p.p.s. i _really_ liked the idea of finally getting out of the pod. but not THIS way!
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jack morrigan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:49:00 -
[122]
incarna = epic fail
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:50:00 -
[123]
CCP: ARE YOU ****ING INSANE!?
- The NEX prices are beyond unreal. Highway robbery, really. You expect someone to pay 5 months of gametime or so/1Billion ISK for a monocle? More than 1 month for a shirt? Someone there has lost touch with reality. Good luck recouping that investment.
- Performance on the Mac sucks big time. Game was quite playable before Incarna (2007 iMac, 2Gb RAM, Radeon HD2600) with minor tweaks on the graphics settings. Same settings took 2 minutes to load the station environment on game start, no better than 16fps while in CQ.
- Mac patches with issues, full windows install with issues...
- Incidentally, clearing the old prefs folder on the mac after creating the new one would be nice... don't leave litter behind. Also, the default fonts on the mac app bundle don't do unicode correctly. I "fixed" it by using the OS X fonts instead and the patch installed deleted those...
I can't believe you actually released this bugfest.
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TravisWB
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:50:00 -
[124]
CCP you are ruining this game.
STOP IT!
How about fixing stuff that needs fixing and stop adding more stupid fluff.
LOSE the CQ, LOSE the walking avatars.
Give me back my old strip miner effects, the pencil thin blue beams are too weak.
Stop doing stupid stuff to this game, we are not all 13 year old brats.
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ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:51:00 -
[125]
Hate Incarna!
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bw8
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 -
[126]
turret effects: good
CQ and no more ship spinning: Epic failure.
i found a really good tank game i'll be spending money on instead of eve
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Ashley Tika
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 -
[127]
The mechanics are working, It looks good with a strong computer. Not much else. These are far too many changes that need to be made to list so I'll outline the major ones.
1) An option (off by default) to not leave your ship. The old ship spinning away!
2) A RUN buttion. This hobbling around is painful.
3) Launchers. Why were turrets updated when launchers have been missing a model for years? This would have been a great time to fix it.
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Stevevaughn Renalard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 -
[128]
sorry not worth the bs......or the cost.
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Elite Saiyajin
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:52:00 -
[129]
Too much, too fast. Average players' computers are not able to handle the station walking smoothly. It is a great concept but hold on to it for a few more years.
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Atomsk Bomb
Minmatar Forced aggressions Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 -
[130]
Replace rollerblading with Incarna. Done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZHjcQZ15g
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Joy Mongaguarda
Caldari Brasfleet Networking Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 -
[131]
Right now four-boxing, with CQ enabled and 2 miners working, a trader and a freighter chars docked and it has just changed 3 things: - Undock takes 0.5 second more than before. - Sound is delaying in response less than 0.5 secs, but still a delay. - Occasionally the camera of the docked chars slow a bit, but not too often.
My PC has an ATI gcard and is two and a half years old.
About the CQ and stuff, the graphics are better than it was in test server, but still a bit unrealistic compared to the char creator.
The prices at the store, yeah, they are outrageous, but you dont need to buy things, you do only if you want to. Eventually if people get smart, they will need to drop the prices, or drop the store. Personally, I think they are doing what any company does in new markets: Explore the limits. If the prices are high, but people buy, there is no reason to lower them. Once the limit test shows inefective, they drop to a new limit. Probably people buying things now will have a huge loss compared to the future buyers,
The rest, honestly, still the same as aways.
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Emorius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:57:00 -
[132]
Finally, walking in stations is here! I've been waiting for it ever since Earth and Beyond. I know its in its infancy now, and has much road ahead, but keep it up CCP, this game needed it. It adds much more immersion, and brings you much closer to your character, now that you are an actual character. I cannot wait until full station, with interaction of others comes....good stuff.
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Feanor Sill
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:59:00 -
[133]
No comments yet, Incarna's off, I like the picture of the door.
If I like to see what ship I'm in, I click on fitting button, still can press undock button to undock from any place in the room. Client works exactly the same as it was working for the past month on sisi. I was running three clients now for the last half hour no problem, even better, less CPU usage in space, thx for that.
I am not as excited with Incarna as I was with Apocrypha, no complaints, however.
I believe most people are afraid of sudden changes, and this is a sudden and very, very big change. Not surprised so many people in this thread just emo-rage quitted. Well, bye bye, won't miss them, no regrets for morons without imagination.
Pity, but Incarna looks like an early beta, feel a bit cheated here, I'm waiting for some real experience.
I wanted to invite my good friend to EVE, but I'll discourage him until you make the whole Incarna more presentable, I'm sure he'll love it when you finish...
I can see where you guys are going with this stuff, EVE needs more subscriptions, you need to make it more appealing for the masses, Nice female butts in custom PVC outfits always brings in masses, no argument here, bring in the masses. I like them to make sure you have enough financial resources to keep EVE running for us...
On behalf of us, the "niche" players I wish to thank you for the option to keep the Dolly Dress Up off. Please, I beg you. Don't you ever take it away! I cannot keep on three clients with Incarna on... and I like to have three clients on. Best regards to everyone Ps.I still impatiently wait for the actual useful Incarna to roll out.
pps. Will I get one day extended subscription for everyday you guys will keep server offline to rollout another incarnation of Incarna/maintenance, etc.? Sounds fair, does it? FS.
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Test Build
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 22/06/2011 00:44:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ
this is incarna...would be funny if it wasn't so sad
Your link lead me to this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ Which is just hilarious.
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trade minion
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:07:00 -
[135]
I don't usually complain about the expansions, but this is just taking the micky...
12000 Aur for the ocular implant is insane, i see its the gold one, so maybe 1200-1500, the current prices are just insulting.
CQ runs reasonably well on my machine, until i log the alt in. even with station environs turned off on the 2nd client, both then respond like garbage. The CQ are something i'd really only want to dip into occasionally and will become more interesting once additional station features are added. The original vision was that you'd have the old station environment and then "disembark from your ship to enter CQ. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, not the poor attempt that this is, not to mention how useless the station is without CQ enabled.
This is just a poor showing that has actually made the station experience LESS functional than it was. Well done for breaking something that didn't even need fixing!
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Liner Xiandra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:08:00 -
[136]
Without the spinning ship hanger, the only way you can tell what ship you're currently have active to undock is either *walk over* to the balcony, or, if you have CQ disabled like me, open up your ships cargohold / ship fitting window?
Yeah, big success this.
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Iriia Nuamzzar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:09:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Iriia Nuamzzar on 22/06/2011 01:15:18 So far everything works like a charm, thank you. Running two clients, 60fps high settings before Incarna, 60fps after. Couldn't be happier.
Please fix warp vortex though, that you broke with Incursion patch. Every other time I can't see light particles so it appears like my ship is standing still.
And oh, btw, I have 1 year old PC; ATI5850, 4GB RAM, nothing special...
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:10:00 -
[138]
First of all, the CQ looks amazing. The visuals are simply astounding, and the performance seems decent, although I have had some random FPS drops.
However, I disabled the CQ again - there simply isn't any content. Sorry, but in it's current state Incarna serves no purpose to me.
Also, not only is the GUI of the CQ inconsistent with the old GUI, but it is also harder to use. One tip would be to keep the spaceship icons on the old GUI and keep the new stuff in the CQ. That way, people who use Incarna can have all features in their pixely glory, and those of us who don't can keep playing spaceships.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Angel Scott
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:10:00 -
[139]
I just noticed, and my corpies noticed, that our GPUs are running 10 degrees Celsius hotter than it used to.
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Doboz Janos
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:10:00 -
[140]
Now that we got speedy code for inventory management, can we have regexp search in the filter box please? :) Also would be nice to have topical search, like "charge size:small+meta:3" or something like that. If you guys are too busy I'm sure we can whip up the code for that in a weekend :)
Otherwise keep up the good job, client still crashes for me, but that's a feature by now.
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John Rocksnake
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:10:00 -
[141]
I'm glad to see that my subscription fees have been pretty much completely wasted on this utterly useless and over complicated heap of crap. Maybe instead of wasting time on stupid crap like CQ you guys could work on new ship models - the raven is in need of a major overhaul, it's hideous
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Harlequin Sweetlips
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:10:00 -
[142]
I like the new features, I think they are a good start for CCP to build on. To all the people complaining they can't run 20 alts at the same time on their PC now - GOOD. Learn to cooperate with others rather than yourself, as Eve was intended. Also, has anyone else noticed the anaglyph 3D effect on the video screens in the CQ? Put your red/green glasses on and look again!
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Samuel Wess
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 -
[143]
You took the ship spinning out of this game! Eve is declining from this moment on.
I would like to have the old hangar back as an optional feature, how much would that cost ? Why dont you put it in your Noble store, thats something i would buy.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:13:00 -
[144]
One great piece of news for me is that my GPU's run between 60-65% utilization when out in space, which is about 10% lower than before Incarna 1.0. Great improvement! I'll have to see how it fares in various circumstances. In the CQ they both run around 75-80%. Temps hover around 60-65 degrees Celsius both in and out of the station...not too much more than previous (maybe 5 degrees). ~Gnosis~ |
Ixen Firegem Dacella
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:13:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Ixen Firegem Dacella on 22/06/2011 01:17:02 I LOVE the upgrade the station enviroment, the new turrent effects and the new Maller hull design, but I cant upgrade my comp to compesate for the laggy station eviroment. Id like to have a option to use the old station enviroment till I can upgrade my comp. havent tried the store but i cant due to it being so laggy with everything in the station. It still needs alot of work though for ppl who cant afford a top of the line comp like some of these lazy jack@$$3$ whos parents buy them what they want.
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Harlequin Sweetlips
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Harlequin Sweetlips on 22/06/2011 01:15:25
Originally by: John Rocksnake I'm glad to see that my subscription fees have been pretty much completely wasted on this utterly useless and over complicated heap of crap. Maybe instead of wasting time on stupid crap like CQ you guys could work on new ship models - the raven is in need of a major overhaul, it's hideous
You think the Raven is ugly? Good grief, have you seen the Gila, it looks like a 5 year old made it from Lego! Oh and BTW "ship spinning" is now present, whereas it wasn't before - now the ships rotate slowly when seen from the balcony, in previous version the ship DID NOT ROTATE, your VIEW OF IT did. If you're gonna whine, be accurate.
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Quadima
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:14:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Quadima on 22/06/2011 01:14:51 Thank you CCP, you have made a total mess out of all the turrets.
http://eve.wavetrex.eu/turretmess.png
Seriously, WHAT THE F|_|CK? Is your graphics team totally ******ed?
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Zen Sarum
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:15:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Zen Sarum on 22/06/2011 01:16:39
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 22/06/2011 00:44:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ
This is incarna...would be funny if it wasn't so sad
I agree this indeed is incarna.. delivered as widely expected and it does not disappoint.
I hope it brings in some new players who like(?) .. this sorta.. stuff? (???) I hope it does more then make that guy in marketing excited about reaching out to a 'new key demographic' and maybe even get more people into eve? I seriously do, cause it would be a crime if this is an ongoing dead end and hence ongoing waste of time and resources.
So if the in game avatar items are funding future item development as discussed recently.. GL with that. Seriously, you need it.
Turrets updated / ECCM / JB fix thanks CCP for useful content balancing and fixes but for now [x] station environment off (until this useful feature is nerfed).
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Nijal Lun
Amarr Imperial Trade Federation Knights of the Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:15:00 -
[149]
One issue I found and will link photo. The Revelation ( Amarr Dread) has problems with the new Turret Effects. When you load all 3 beams, it is only showing 1 of for visual. The other 2 turret just aren't there. I've unloaded them and reloaded just to see if it was locally bugged and it's not.
Revelation with bugged Turrets ------------------- Nijal Lun CEO of Imperial Trade Federation [ITFED] Emperor of Midway Empire Alliance |
Victoria Wolfe
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:16:00 -
[150]
Things really look great! Although I have to agree that the Noble Exchange prices are a little crazy. You should at least be able to get a few items for 15 bucks. Also, while I personally love the captains quarters, if it's technically feasible I would consider adding an option to use the old dock interface. All in all I love the expansion however.
Some questions:
1. Are there plans to add missile turrets? The turret upgrades look really good and Caldari everywhere would like to fire ze missiles in style! 2. Are there plans to introduce a complete character re-customization even as a paid service? 3. Are there plans to give the Maller treatment to other ships because it looks awesome and some of the older models could use a face lift ? ___
"Speak for yourself sir, I intend to live forever" - Commander William Riker |
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:16:00 -
[151]
It's TURRET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT F**KING TURRENT
I'm watching people, and for years, they still haven't learned the f'ing name of the most popular module type in NEW EDEN. FFS.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:18:00 -
[152]
additional point.
When in Incarna, you should be treated as no longer being in your ship... standing on the balcony overlooking your pod while being told you can't JC cos you are still IN your ship is pretty stupid...
This would be much easier to fix if you left your ship after docking to the regular hanger view... but then everything would be so that's no surprise... --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:20:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 01:20:32
ISSUE BROUGHT FORTH A FEW WEEKS AGO.
The CQ environment (still) runs worse than 3 times slower compared to the old hangar view.
Even people with NEWER graphics cards will "suffer" from video card overheating due to nearly three times the workload being required (compared to the old hangar view).
The first step seems to have been taken - we have the option to NOT load the CQ environment. What it does is keep displaying the "Loading" screen on the background without ever actually loading anything. This is a decent fallback for the people with less than stellar performance machines which would be overwhelmed by the extreme graphics of the CQ, but it's a very poor compromise for people that actually wanted to run the CQ environment every now and then.
BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY TEMPORARY !!! WTF ?!? BLOG linkage
A much better fallback however would be the option to maintain the current hangar view alongside the CQ environment. Sure, start off new players inside the CQ if you want, make the option to load the old hangar instead of CQ hard to accidentally find in the menu if you want, but allow the option to remain. It even makes far more RP sense - the boarding of a pod and subsequent exit from it is supposed to be a relatively slow process, and you're not supposed to look exactly tidy (all covered in pod goo and naked) the moment you get out of a pod, so getting out of it every time you dock makes very little sense. Keeping the current station environment alongside CQ should not be such a big deal (I mean, how hard it can be NOT to delete something), and it would go a long way towards appeasing some people that don't even know yet that they'll be annoyed by its absence (let's face it, not everybody knows what's coming, and you can fully expect a horde of angry people coming to the forums for the first time to complain).
But let's say that for some reason, you can't keep the old hangar environments, no matter what reason. The current compromise only allows us to select between CQ at same graphics detail as the rest of the game, or no CQ at all (just a blank screen with the neocom on it, from what I understand). The problem that should be obvious with that is the fact even the lowest detail level CQ has a noticeably worse framerate compared to the highest detail level current hangar or space environment. CQ and space need to have two completely separate sets of graphics options, and a much lower graphics detail option than the ones available now needs to be present. Ideally, you should be able to set it in such a way that inside CQ you can get roughly the same FPS as you can get while flying in space. Granted, some parts of CQ would look like crap under those conditions and at the current development level (heck, some parts look bad even on highest everything right now), but that's a different story.
So, to recap, if CCP insists, well, ok, keep the CQ environment as the default enabled option, but:
* MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently
* MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all
* STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ
* OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu
Hell, ideally entering CQ would be a station service button in the old hangar view !
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:20:00 -
[154]
Suggestion (assuming it's not already implemented): Gather some stats about the number of players who chose to disable the CQ. The numbers could prove to be interesting.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Toll Collector
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:21:00 -
[155]
Who else figured out this "point and click and hope for the best" is dumb. and I mean the people complaining about it as you can move character with WASD and when you are next to something clicking the option you want works.
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Thunder Wind
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:21:00 -
[156]
I am getting an "Outdated Video Card" message on both my Laptop and Desktop. I pulled my ATI card and replaced it with a better quality (But older) Nvidia card. Smother and better 3D Graph, and I still get the message. When I hit escape to lower the setting it kills the game altogether.
Shader Model 3 Needed. I wanted to just disable the setting with ESC and continue to play as usual. But it wonÆt let me.
As it stands I have a 3 Year Old Laptop I can no longer use to play as the Video card is integrated and no ability to replace. I have a Desktop that it seems I need to go buy a new video card for.
Please understand I really like what I have read in these updates. It really looks like fun and unique and different way to look and play. But you always made it possible to make video to a lower quality if needed so the game would still run. As it stands I now have 3 accounts paid for two months in advance I can no longer use. Now even if you fix this, I canÆt get the patch because my current client will not even load on any of my machines. I would have to download the entire game again and hope itÆs fixed.
Any chance on advice that does not require me to buy a new Laptop and buy a new Nvidia video card?
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Ilah Gruhbarn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:21:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Ilah Gruhbarn on 22/06/2011 01:26:24 fps from 60 in station/space drop to 30fps in station and remained 60 in space while dual boxing i guess it is not bad...
chars look wash out comparing how they look in character creator=not so good nothing special at best.
800mm AC look like crap and fire effect is weak,model is missing whole from where bullets are coming out from.
ALL ships are pathetically small machariel is totally fake and immersion breaking looking smaller/same as other BS class.
i am not impressed so far i lost performance and got my fav ship c****d at while gaining nothing.
super edit. I AM STILL IN MY SHIP while walking supposedly around CQ this is BALZ either option to leave capsule or remain in ship otherwise GO HOME with this ****y incarna STOP BREAKING IMMERSION FOR YOUR MONEY STORE.
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Dimension Secretary
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:22:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Dimension Secretary on 22/06/2011 01:23:58 Forgot to say that i really would like a more freer movement with cam and also walking. I hate the aswd keys, even when cursor keys are free and not used. And btw, who played again with the sorting, now the ships window under station info sorts by a type, which i can't make out. You already screwed last time the wallet sorting, now that.
And.. if you graphics card gets hot, put it back to vertical sync (intervall default), that at least stops it from running wild, had that even before, nobody needs 200fps in space with 80 deg hot graphic chips.
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Zanthan Kamaar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:24:00 -
[159]
My framerate is dropping thru the floor while in captain's quarters with a fairly average computer. That is my only real complaint. I am pretty indifferent to the ability to walk around now. I hope the future in station stuff is interesting. I personally couldn't care less about outrageous apparel prices. My biggest concern at this point is the mechanics with bombs and such in highsec. This is a major issue for many players. Other than that, the corp recruitment window is nearly non functional for large corps. Though I know you are aware of this issue already
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Toll Collector
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:25:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Thunder Wind I am getting an "Outdated Video Card" message on both my Laptop and Desktop. I pulled my ATI card and replaced it with a better quality (But older) Nvidia card. Smother and better 3D Graph, and I still get the message. When I hit escape to lower the setting it kills the game altogether.
Shader Model 3 Needed. I wanted to just disable the setting with ESC and continue to play as usual. But it wonÆt let me.
As it stands I have a 3 Year Old Laptop I can no longer use to play as the Video card is integrated and no ability to replace. I have a Desktop that it seems I need to go buy a new video card for.
Please understand I really like what I have read in these updates. It really looks like fun and unique and different way to look and play. But you always made it possible to make video to a lower quality if needed so the game would still run. As it stands I now have 3 accounts paid for two months in advance I can no longer use. Now even if you fix this, I canÆt get the patch because my current client will not even load on any of my machines. I would have to download the entire game again and hope itÆs fixed.
Any chance on advice that does not require me to buy a new Laptop and buy a new Nvidia video card?
They told us a while ago Incarna would require shader model 3.0 and there was no way around it.
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OttoParts
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 -
[161]
My feedback:
After letting EVE (and my Captain's Quarters) load for 5 minutes, I was surprised to see that I was able to see myself walking around. It only took five minutes to realize it wasn't a first person view, but rather third person.
I couldn't figure out how to get to the Noble Exchange at first. Keeping in mind that I wasn't testing any patches, wasn't digging through Youtube videos, wasn't reading exactly how to do what... That was a button that certainly should have been put by the market, in my opinion. However, after looking at the very few things that were available, compared to what the market could field, I am glad it was nowhere near the button for the market after all.
Additionally, I was shocked to see the prices for items on the Noble Exchange. Noble is a good word for this market- you'll need to be crapping gold to think about buying anything on it for a (and I emphasis) VIRTUAL character that, as of this writing, and with no future date set in stone (or even guessed at by CCP, at least that I can see), I will be the sole viewer of. Or in other words, I don't need to spend an easy $100USD so that I can feel good about my virtual alter ego. I do that enough with my subscription costs alone, thank you.
And that was as far as I got before quitting EVE. Bloated, slow, expensive, and clunky as all hell to use- that's my impression of Incarna as it was designed.
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Thunder Wind
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Toll Collector
Originally by: Thunder Wind I am getting an "Outdated Video Card" message on both my Laptop and Desktop. I pulled my ATI card and replaced it with a better quality (But older) Nvidia card. Smother and better 3D Graph, and I still get the message. When I hit escape to lower the setting it kills the game altogether.
Shader Model 3 Needed. I wanted to just disable the setting with ESC and continue to play as usual. But it wonÆt let me.
As it stands I have a 3 Year Old Laptop I can no longer use to play as the Video card is integrated and no ability to replace. I have a Desktop that it seems I need to go buy a new video card for.
Please understand I really like what I have read in these updates. It really looks like fun and unique and different way to look and play. But you always made it possible to make video to a lower quality if needed so the game would still run. As it stands I now have 3 accounts paid for two months in advance I can no longer use. Now even if you fix this, I canÆt get the patch because my current client will not even load on any of my machines. I would have to download the entire game again and hope itÆs fixed.
Any chance on advice that does not require me to buy a new Laptop and buy a new Nvidia video card?
They told us a while ago Incarna would require shader model 3.0 and there was no way around it.
Thx , i didnt want to go buy something if there was a work around.
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E Resistor
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 -
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first and foremost: Worst Expansion EVAR !!! It does not add any value to my gameplay and i only experience downsides (random bugs, imposed Incarna, bad turret icons) so far.
While i totally support CCPs aim to expand their vision of a Scifi simulation, try not to impair parts of the game that are well established and functional like the good old ship spinning hangar view.
1) I really don't see any argument against not having the option of totally switching the walking in stations part off and keep having the old hangar view, where i can view my active ship at the angle and zoom level i want without having to go into a preview or fitting screen. This would also be more consistent with the EVE lore. Anyhow, the big catchphrase here is choice which we are not given...yea, its either Incarna or look at a wallpaper (latter one isn't really a good choice and was stated to be only a temporary solution in a dev-blog)
2) Turrets: every effort that goes into making pew-pew look more awesome is extremely appreciated. while animations and effects look fine, i can't get rid of the impression that most new turret models just suck. some don't fit the weapon type, some look way too fragile, some too chunky even comical and others just plain bad. also many of the animations from inactive to active states just seem way too fancy and forced. This is purely my personal opinion on the new turret graphics but as far as i have seen i am by far not alone.
TL;DR as unlikely as it is to have any impact
- give us the Option of Old Hangar View instead of Incarna (for ppl that like EVE even without controlling a human avatar) AKA GIVE US SHIP SPINNING BACK - rework or better redesign all the guns at least make their icons easier to recognize
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MuntadaralZaidi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:29:00 -
[164]
OK, so I'm actually giving WiS a chance. Some feedback, though I'm not entirely sure CCP will care.
We need a way to re-center the screen at the current location of the mouse cursor. As it is, zooming in zooms in over the shoulder...which leads to the avatar being obscured by chat and the inventory windows. I know there's a mirror, but honestly, if CCP wants to charge obscene prices for vanity clothing, the least CCP could do is give us the ability to zoom in/out to look at it without having the avatar go so ridiculously off-center.
Needs run button. Capsuleers are theoretically supposed to be the elite of the elite as far as soldiers are concerned...yet movement is this clunky?
Needs embark/disembark. If you dock, you get old station view. If you disembark, you go to CQ. Likewise, needs a setting to control whether or not to auto-disembark upon docking. This way, we would get ship spinning back xD
Confirming Noble Exchange prices are ridiculous. I hadn't planned on using AUR before, way to affirm my plans CCP. If the prices were actually reasonable I might have actually considered using ISK a few months down the line, if I saw anything I liked. (Also, not that this matters with the ridiculous prices, but the selection is quite limited.)
FPS are generally between 20-35 with a GTX 260M/core duo/6 gb ram. About 30 when I'm just standing there, closer to 20 when I'm moving or rotating the camera. It did improve to 35-45 when I got out to the new incarnation of the ship hangar.
I have a cooling pad for my laptop, and it seems to be keeping heat issues under control. If I didn't, it would be melted by now, I'm sure, but anyone who uses a laptop for games should have a cooling pad anyway...
Unlike some here, I'm willing to give WiS a chance, as I'm sure there will be more to it once we can get into public areas of stations; however it still needs a significant amount of work imo
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Tesla Grass
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:32:00 -
[165]
Firstly CCP, cheers for the second patch in a row that I was totally looking foward too, and yet again, seems to have delivered in keeping my playing Eve for some time. BRING BACK THE ABILITY TO SPIN MY SHIP! That was the first thing I noticed and the only thing that really annoys me.
Its great that you guys have finally included a Agent Finder, but I feel its a bit half arsed. Why can you only search by "solar system" and not by "constellation, or region"?
Cheers for the game CCP
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:32:00 -
[166]
Originally by: MuntadaralZaidi We need a way to re-center the screen at the current location of the mouse cursor. As it is, zooming in zooms in over the shoulder...which leads to the avatar being obscured by chat and the inventory windows. I know there's a mirror, but honestly, if CCP wants to charge obscene prices for vanity clothing, the least CCP could do is give us the ability to zoom in/out to look at it without having the avatar go so ridiculously off-center.
Esc - display and graphichs tab - bottom left = Incarna camera controls
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:33:00 -
[167]
Incarna as a whole I like, walking up to my very humble Vexor was a moment of awe, while I've had to turn off station graphics due to a dying pc, as soon as I get a new one, I'll have that back
What really REALLY needs looking at is the vanity items, namely the fact they are macro transactions. I think a lot of the playerbase was expecting a fair deal, maybe a new shirt/trousers costing in the region of $5-7 dollars at the most, but these prices are just ******ed. $50 dollars for just a monocle is plain crazy.
What makes it crazier is if you get podded, you loose it. I can see why its being done your targeting the plex for isk crowd, but please such a huge money grab for vanity items is frankly insulting.
Please rethink the pricing. I for one would use the store alot if it was reasonable *MICRO*transactions.
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daint666
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 -
[168]
about 10 major points here:
-> The gun icons look TERRIBAD. Seriously they all look the same, there's no distinction between size or type. The icons look like what i've seen in the icons for some 10 year old futuristic RTS
-> Prices for stuff are awful, just dont expect to see me buying any of that utter crap.
-> CQ runs fine for me but it does nothing. It slows me undocking, and shows me a few screens about previous updates that i couldnt give a flying **** about. Incursions? Planets? i dont actually give a toss.
-> The entire CQ was so awful that its now off within 20 mins. just stupid, really. Let me spin my ship in the other thing please.
-> some crappy little autocannon looks miles more impressive than my 1400 howitzer. WTF! 1400mm is the size of a small bus FFS.
-> The only good thing to come out of this entire expansion is the good looking maller. Now hurry up and make faction BC's for Sansha and other races. Also make Republic Fleet Hurricanes/cyclones etc. NOT A STUPID PIECE OF **** RE-TEXTURED SCORPION.
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Kent Reeves
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 -
[169]
Where were you people when this was being tested?
My 2 cents: My graphics card is warm (very warm) which isn't a problem, I can just turn up the fan speed (75% is a bit excessive though. I don't even use this much playing high-end FPS.)
My problem is with the limited "content" actually released. A lot of us were expecting the other CQs (amarr/caldari/gallente) to be available upon launch and that you left the minmatar one on SiSi simply for some SURPRISE factor. I am disappointed. You could have at least given us those (and maybe a corporate office). |
Samuel Wess
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 -
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I was missing the old hangar but now i noticed the turret icons too They all look like pieces of gray stuff over there ugly and not different one from another...come one you should do things better not worst. Maybe they look cool fitted on the ships (haven't really checked that yet) but something is wrong with the icons in hangar.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 01:20:32
ISSUE BROUGHT FORTH A FEW WEEKS AGO.
The CQ environment (still) runs worse than 3 times slower compared to the old hangar view.
Even people with NEWER graphics cards will "suffer" from video card overheating due to nearly three times the workload being required (compared to the old hangar view).
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seconded.
a *single* client in the CQ was getting my gfx card to 67¦C and mostlikely higher if i hadnt switched off the CQ stuff.
usually i needed 3 clients to reach like 65¦C. Carbon UI was already pushing up the temperature of 2-3 clients. this makes it almost impossible, if just one client is docked.
so for now ... CQ off for me.
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Khudin Hadashur
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 -
[172]
First off: if at all technically possible I would strongly suggest an Incarna 'light' mode for those who are simply not interested in walking around or are at the lower end of the performance spectrum. A bunk with some interactive screens will do fine.
First impressions for now are as follows:
Pro *New turrets look nice (tried several flavors of artillery and it agreed with me).
*New Maller model looks very nice. Scorpion update from earlier was also a success, so please continue on this path.
*Agent finder is a a very good start, will need a bit more iteration to make it a great in-game tool.
Con *Turret icons on your targeted ships are way too dark, making it hard to distinguish what weapons system is activated on what target.
*Salvager icon is severely underwhelming.
*Noble Exchange items are ridiculously overpriced - I honestly can not see why one would want to spend one month of gametime on a dress or pants.
*Ability to drag ship into hangar to make it active will be missed, hopefully this can be implemented again in some form.
*Character in CQ somehow does not resemble what you've built in the character creator, even at maxed graphics.
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DHuncan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:36:00 -
[173]
How to leave ship and undock with capsule?
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Skunkguru
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:37:00 -
[174]
Give us the old station environment as an option!!
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Akkukkak
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:38:00 -
[175]
What a piece of crap. Incredible fail!! CQ Su*cks.
CCP: Why do you asked for Feedback? Its a joke?
Solution: make all this CQ optional and you will see the real "feedback"
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MuntadaralZaidi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:38:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle
Originally by: MuntadaralZaidi We need a way to re-center the screen at the current location of the mouse cursor. As it is, zooming in zooms in over the shoulder...which leads to the avatar being obscured by chat and the inventory windows. I know there's a mirror, but honestly, if CCP wants to charge obscene prices for vanity clothing, the least CCP could do is give us the ability to zoom in/out to look at it without having the avatar go so ridiculously off-center.
Esc - display and graphichs tab - bottom left = Incarna camera controls
Thank you - new question - why the hell did that setting default 100% to the right?
I still think we need to be able to re-center by cursor; it would be far more intuitive than digging around the settings in the ESC menu.
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Solara Handel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:40:00 -
[177]
The camera zoom is off center in CQ. Looks pretty though, very detailed environment.
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DHuncan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:41:00 -
[178]
Originally by: DHuncan How to leave ship and undock with capsule?
Never mind.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:43:00 -
[179]
at least this patch features only a poorly thought out useless 'feature' everyone has disabled, instead of something game-breaking
thanks!
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Kalpel
Caldari United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:44:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous I can't spin my ships you fuggin a$$hats!
This ^^^ and you guys can fix rail guns on the harpy , one gun goes up and the other gun goes down, WTF? it looks F***king stupid now
You need left side and right side guns , can't believe you guys missed that
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:45:00 -
[181]
800mm rep. artillery II : A four-barreled, intermediate-range, powerful cannon capable of causing tremendous damage. The icon and I believe fitted module...displays 2 barreled turret.
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II : Two barrels also? What the hell?
Seriously, not only that you haven't improved EVE, you have swept the ground underneath our space feet. or anti-gravity thrusters on our spaceships... whatever...
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:47:00 -
[182]
Originally by: CCP Caedmon If you are having performance issues it is possible to adjust your graphics settings in the "Display & Graphics" tab of the Esc Menu.
Additionally there is a check-box called "Load Station Environment" under the "Graphic Content Settings" column on the right hand side of the "Display & Graphics" tab. Uncheck this box to replace the station environment with a static image the next time you dock (if you are currently in a station you must undock and redock to see the change take effect).
You guys are morons. You know what. I really don't care if you ban my accounts at this point. You ignored every thread and every suggestion in the test server feedback section of the forums regarding making WiS optional (like you people originally promised us). You remove previously working and functional content in favor of a STATIC IMAGE for those who choose NOT to load Barbies in space when you could easily have kept to your STATED PROMISE to us that we would have the OPTION to decant or not and made everyone happy.
You could have made everybody happy by adding a simple, single button to the neocom [Decant] but no. You just had to roll out your USELESS. Hardware damaging product. And force it down peoples throats. Then to add insult to injury you add MT into the equation at grossly inflated prices.
Seriously... I've seen more intelligence coming from a dead cat. You guys seriously need to see a shrink if you think for a single second this is good business.
Go back to your dev meeting, light up that garbage you are obviously smoking, and grow a clue. You pretty much guaranteed WiS will fail (at this point) with how you rolled it out and you guys ain't smart enough to figure it out. Seriously... My comp can handle WiS, but i'll never load it again until the day you remove the option to disable it, at which point I will take my RL isk somewhere else.
Barbies in closets. Terrible graphics performance. Over priced 'vanity' items.
I was for Incarna. I looked forward to what you promised us. This...
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mobius nm
Minmatar Imperativa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:48:00 -
[183]
Screw this useless pile of nonsense.
I'd gladly pay you to un**** the game back to the state it was yesterday.
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Delhaven
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:48:00 -
[184]
I think this is the first time I've ever posted on a forum; it took the most useless expansion in the history of the game to make it happen.
Nothing about the Captain's Quarters adds anything useful to the game, makes my mid-level graphics card cry, and is less user friendly to boot. I turned it off only to discover I couldn't even get the plain (but useful) old spinning ship back.
The new turrets may have some potential down the road, but CCP, please for the love of God, get rid of the useless crap you have just forced on an extremely displeased community.
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daint666
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:49:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Sunbird Huy 800mm rep. artillery II : A four-barreled, intermediate-range, powerful cannon capable of causing tremendous damage. The icon and I believe fitted module...displays 2 barreled turret.
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II : Two barrels also? What the hell?
Seriously, not only that you haven't improved EVE, you have swept the ground underneath our space feet. or anti-gravity thrusters on our spaceships... whatever...
THIS.
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Zh0u Tai
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:53:00 -
[186]
When i enter the game all i get is a blurred picture with 'loading' over the top. i can get the planetary view up and reset mining, between planet switching is a view of the captains quarters but when i'm finished i go back to the first condition. Tried entering space, i can and redock but keep coming back to the same condition. Any suggestions on how to get full correct access.
Got out of bed just to be disappointed !!!!
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daint666
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:55:00 -
[187]
Also, instead of fuxing with the turrets, give missiles some love, seriously. I'd rather SEE missiles come from somewhere other than the middle of my ship than see myself walk in some ******ed station
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Akasun
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:55:00 -
[188]
like others, i can't tell why the gun icons were changed. before, i could quickly glance at them and tell size and type. now, i just get a vague sense that they're gritty and real. was this supposed to have been an improvement?
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panterus29
Gallente Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:56:00 -
[189]
i was getting 2 frames a sec and it was impossible to do anything i like the idea of having an option after docking sounds reasonable and more realistic to most situation in station where you plan to dock only for the sake of grabbing an item and departing asap or maybe to quickly switch ships for pvp/missions/cleanup after a mission/mining & hauling/quickly buying a refit after exploding etc.... leaving ones pod every time makes no sense to standard play although i can see it if you plan to be there a while, so as an option it works, and ofc unless recoded i cant use it anyway :s
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:58:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Akasun like others, i can't tell why the gun icons were changed. before, i could quickly glance at them and tell size and type. now, i just get a vague sense that they're gritty and real. was this supposed to have been an improvement?
yeah they should have kept the more schematic icons. i mean improving the icons on the ship is fine. but why breaking the icons?
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:58:00 -
[191]
Edited by: DoPlanet on 22/06/2011 02:00:13 big disappointment, ridiculous patch and pathetic deployment. You should do more than thanking the users that are doing your jobs. Are we supposed to test your software for you ? AGAIN ? With this level of professionalism, i dont see me playing for much longer. Already 3 years and it's the same $hit over and over again, diferent flavour, with VAT
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 -
[192]
Oh and more test server feedback I remembered you forgot...
The New Char Creator still doesn't remember your pose correctly forcing you to re pose your char every time you are forced to redo your portrait every time you want to change outfit.
I hear you have been answering questions in the help channel... please make sure those responses get collated and posted somewhere were those not around at the time can see them.
Whatever info you give should be avail to all, whether they happened to be there or not. --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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Engineer Floyd
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:59:00 -
[193]
First of all, those of you who have used the term "Jew" to attack CCP are anti-semitic ****s, and if you think claiming it's slang helps, then you're ignorant anti-semitic ****. It's not slang, it's the slander of an entire people based on archaic tribal prejudices. Stop hating entire racial groups and join us in the 21st century, or GTFO
Now that that's out of the way.
I'm impressed... sort of. I like the Noble Exchange. The prices seem high enough to make that stuff exclusive to the "Upper Classes" which I think is exactly the right choice for such vanity items. They are, after all, for status as much as vanity
As to Incarna, it feels half finished. But then again it is half finished, and even unfinished it looks great, so I'm not complaining. I look forward to it's completion(when it will be usefull and fun, instead of kind of a nightmare)
Turrets are Great! It really boosts immersion to see this stuff fully animated.
Also, BRING BACK SHIP SPINNING!!!!
I would like to see an option to shift the view to the ship in my hangar, and let me look back at the balcony, providing a sense of scale and, more importantly, the desired spinning
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Marcus Vorenius
Caldari Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:00:00 -
[194]
I can't give you any feedback on the turrent animations, as I'm Caldari and couldn't fire a Hybrid if my life depended on it. Captains Closet does not deserve any feedback - it's just a pile of ****e that adds ZERO gameplay.
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Stoned Dragonias
Amarr Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:00:00 -
[195]
I love the door, awesome improvement over looking at my ship. |
Samuel Wess
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:01:00 -
[196]
Edited by: Samuel Wess on 22/06/2011 02:03:02 Did the guy that made eve just left ? Cause it feels like it.
Give back hangar view and icons and maybe we forgive you. me |
Kopie Arvok
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:03:00 -
[197]
can we have seperate grafic setting for cq and space. i need to run low in cq but i can run high in space
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:03:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Akira Samposeppa on 22/06/2011 02:03:56 I didnt even saw how new turrets look like When i logged on it lagged so much (2fps ) i didnt even try to undock.
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Jasmine Kiri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:04:00 -
[199]
I've played at the lowest graphics settings since Trinity. I play without turret effects on. I can care less how my character looks. So, this whole expansion has just added pretty much nothing for me.
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Nieero
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:05:00 -
[200]
hilarious when the "vocal minority" gets lots of backup when the **** actually hits the fan :)
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Emeraldes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:11:00 -
[201]
Ive been playing since 2003, and I have to say I dont understand what all the fuss is about.
-I dont have a top end computer, and all the graphics run smoothly on high settings for me. So I dont get the issues you are all complaining about. -I dont like vanity items, and wont buy them. Who cares how much they cost? -I do miss spinning ships. -New turret animations are pretty cool, but I agree with what others have said, the new icons are a bit confusing and less clear. -I am kinda bummed that when I walk out to the platform, the size difference between human me and the ship isnt a massive as i'd hoped.
Thank you CCP, and I an eager to see once the rest of incarna rolls out how useful the CQ will turn out to be.
and to the rest of you...so many of you sound like bratty entitled little children. simmer down young ones.
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:11:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Engineer Floyd something
The term "jew" has been applied to CCP as an allegory. Might be unjust to the people of Israel, but unfortunately, it's the current state of things in internet community, and it's widespread. ClichTs are made from/by the bitter reality. The only real insult would be to the Israeli, infact, as they have been compared with CCP(due to the latest move).
Picture this...a skinny Indian mahout(elephant rider) sits on the neck of the elephant, making it move around and do things to his benefit. Then, he wants the elephant to work and move faster, while reducing the food. The elephant has had enough, uses his trunk to grab the bastard off his neck, and plays the "STOMP IT" with him. I think you can see the parallel.
Second = NOBLE, RMT expansion pack. SAD.
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Mia Aires
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:15:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Mia Aires on 22/06/2011 02:15:56
Does someone wants to trade 6 Ishkurs for a pair of artificial leather boots? Yes, I know there is more technology in a pair of boots than in two battleships...
CCP what was your idea behind this nex prices?
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FatDrummy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:16:00 -
[204]
CCP has been trying to get people to move to low and null sec space for ages. Put the old graphics and spinning ships in null and low sec stations only and watch the exodus from high sec.
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PhantomOf Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:19:00 -
[205]
Edited by: PhantomOf Caldari on 22/06/2011 02:20:15
RIDICULUS
They destroyed signature theme of the game Now im looking at wall. I dont now even what ship im in.
Now I cant use my laptop for EvE
This is more try to make reason for kids to spend more money for stickers to their skatesboards.
I think era of eve ending.[/b]
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Akkukkak
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:21:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Samuel Wess
Did the guy that made eve just left ? Cause it feels like it.
THIS :::::
Please hire him again and fire the Dev who promised all this crap would be optional. He is a lier
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bw8
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:21:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Emorius Finally, walking in stations is here! I've been waiting for it ever since Earth and Beyond. I know its in its infancy now, and has much road ahead, but keep it up CCP, this game needed it. It adds much more immersion, and brings you much closer to your character, now that you are an actual character. I cannot wait until full station, with interaction of others comes....good stuff.
paid CCP employee alt/PR person?
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Oblivion Maximus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Oblivion Maximus on 22/06/2011 02:24:10 Edited by: Oblivion Maximus on 22/06/2011 02:23:41 50% of patch is gay....Maller needed a complete overhale...its still looks like boba fets face. Could have used some updated bonuses like most ships...Lets get the rest of the ships remodeled and get some new bonuses...Just my opinion
As far as CQ...I better be able to walk around stations soon and be able to stab asshats in their faces
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Ellen Ripleyy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:26:00 -
[209]
Hmmm, Incarna----
Utterly pointless
Complete waste of developer resources that could have been used to... I don't know.... do something useful like make a in game tetris clone. (yes, thats sarcastic)
Slow as a 750lb fat person on a scooter with a dead battery.
Annoying as hell.
Adds almost nothing of value, and what it does add, ain't worth much.
Incarna... makes me want to play Battlecruiser 3000 AD, one of the most buggy badly implemented games in history.
I HATE HATE HATE Incarna. Considering closing my accounts I hate this piece of crap so much.
My girlfriend just logged off because she can't stand it.
You made your competitors very happy today CCP.
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Jarin Arenos
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:33:00 -
[210]
Let's try some actual feedback rather than "Wahhh, everything sucks, CCP sucks, YOU suck... (oh, and my computer sucks)"
Here's mine: Can we have a larger cone on the strip miner graphic, like on the old one? You claimed it was "a lot cooler", which I guess was just a pun on blue being cold? Looks like I'm ice-mining Veldspar now.
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Liberty Belle
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 -
[211]
Edited by: Liberty Belle on 22/06/2011 02:41:35 I think that alot of folks oversold themselves on what this expansion would bring upon its first release. I don't want to be an apologist for CCP, but anyone who has been following the dev blogs and the feedback from participants over on Singularity/Duality should have been pretty certain of what to expect. Maybe there is blame to be shared across the board. I notice some performance decline in the new station environment, but overall I'm doing just fine with a 4 year old Athlon 64 with 2GB RAM and an Nvidia 9800 GT on medium-high settings. Loading time is within a few seconds, and walking around is pretty fluid. One thing thats really annoying and needs to be fixed in the new station environment is the lighting, particularly in the CQ. Its actually more than annoying, its horrible! Give us the ability to adjust lighting levels and/or lighting angles in our rooms to suit our tatses. Oh yeah, one last thing: Spinning ships, mofos!
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Seishi Maru
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:41:00 -
[212]
We expected reasonable performance, to have bbetter performance than crisis 2 for example on same hardware. Graphics better than 2005 standards. That is not much to ask. We didn't got it.
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Lialem
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:42:00 -
[213]
It sucks big time to put time into a work and when it's finished to not receive the congratulations and the smiles you expected... It surely sucks, but players do have a point CCP.. It all sums up that incarna is kinda incomplete, looks a little useless... doesn't add much to the game. I kinda feel those ccp devs that gave their best to make something and they wanted to hear everyone cheering, and all they get is flames. Im surely excited about the potential of dust and if this step is necessary then ok i'll wait. I've been playing this game 7 years, i like it, so i'll wait.
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Alaekessa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:44:00 -
[214]
Only problem I'm having so far is the stupid high prices for the NeX items
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Shantheor
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:44:00 -
[215]
I am running on a mac and the new captains quarters runs so slow. It takes forever to load up the station when docking, and then the entire station animation runs too slowly to use. Perhaps make the new animations and captains quarters optional? It takes so long to load (almost 2 minutes) it makes quick station stops for ammo or repairs impractical.
Anyone else experiencing very slow FPS in the new station environment?
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Velani Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:48:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Alaekessa Only problem I'm having so far is the stupid high prices for the NeX items
Same here, everything else seems looking good.
The prices are crazy, not gonna buy even 1 thing there for sure.
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Jack Miton
Caldari WeebleCORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:50:00 -
[217]
Holy smoking hate thread Batman!!! The solution to all your problems is to move to WH space which CCP don't give a **** about so they leave (mostly) alone.
Would also get me more kills :)
PS: still can't refit my T3s at a POS, still waiting...
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Scarlet Enigma Kusoni
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:53:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Scarlet Enigma Kusoni on 22/06/2011 02:54:55 My feelings on this patch? Well I am a BROKE college student, and now my MMO (EVE) requires Shader Model 3, and I have a laptop with on-board graphics that don't support that.
So 4 YEARS of eve is down the tubes indefinitely.
I can hardly type I am so angry and upset at this. So....$% it. You forced many loyal players into retirement.
As much as I hate to say it.......back to WoW I guess.
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Captain Vayl
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:00:00 -
[219]
My 0.2 isk.
Turrets look fantastic, best part of this update! Walking in Stations i'm really looking forward to, the CQ stuff is great and all works fine on my laptop.
But, someone fell asleep on the Aurum pricing, you added an extra 0 and now it all looks ridiculous, which is a shame as I was hoping to sink a PLEX into some gear but wont be now.
And someone sack that Zinfandel guy, his comments on the Help channel are making you look so damn awful CCP, it really isn't helping you.
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Lialem
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:01:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Scarlet Enigma Kusoni Edited by: Scarlet Enigma Kusoni on 22/06/2011 02:54:55 As much as I hate to say it.......back to WoW I guess.
I'm out. Thanks a lot CCP.
Well i have to tell you that WOW graphics have also improved through the years... I really doubt it would still play on your on-board card. Their new water graphics are surely shader model 3.
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Smoke Adian
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:06:00 -
[221]
I'd gladly give CCP my boot.ini to erase all traces of this horrific update.
Don't even know where to start. Bare minimum - give us the ship spinning screen option back.
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Alorec
Infinite Covenant
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:09:00 -
[222]
please put in the option for the old station. i know you guys are working hard on dust 514, but i liked the way things were. the simplicity of the hangar made it feel temporary, as it was intended to be.
i fly spaceships. i want to see spaceships.
making the station needlessly complex is not the way to go. at the very least make it a button like the undock button to go into the incarna station. that makes sense.
and i know this is probably pointless to say, but please undo that terrible mistake you made with the maller/sacrilege/devoter. it looked great before, now it looks like a mistake. it looks caldari or minmatar now, not amarr.
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Unidentified Player
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:12:00 -
[223]
First time I post.
This patch blows. I can no longer watch a movie while playing eve (even with the CQ disabled), while I was being able to play a movie and still use my PC before the patch!
Undocking takes more (with CQ disabled).
The new icons are hard to distinguish and while in a fight, you can't tell who you're shooting at.
The disabled CQ leaves you with... nothing, the enabled CQ leaves you with nothing usable.
I don't know why after so much time we're able to walk around the station, but we still have to set the default orbit when we switch ships.
I hate it, I wanna play spaceships not house.
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Pastrami Onrye
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:17:00 -
[224]
Not happy being forced to make a portrait to even log onto my toons.
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Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:18:00 -
[225]
I must say, I actually do like the changes. Parts of walking in stations just feel really incomplete. There's a short freeze whenever I dock/undock that's a bit bothersome, but I'm sure that can be ironed out over time. When you fix the glitches and start rolling out more content it should be golden.
But lets be honest here, the AUR store/cash shop/noble exchange is broken, and doesn't fit in with the economy whatsoever. The available items are really mundane (Except the quafe shirt, which you can't even buy). Everything looks like the same, silly, generic crap that you can already access through normal character creation. It's entirely bland. There's nothing edgy, nothing spicy, nothing formal, nothing ... actually, there's nothing whatsoever. All the clothing looks the same. Walmart has more variety and at a quarter the real-world price.
I seriously don't mind the prices being high. What I do mind is there being nothing cool whatsoever to buy. I remember when carbon was introduced, and the first screenshots of "Ambulation" came out. There were latex pilotsuits, dresses, skirts, tights, etc. Heck, armor might be cool. Or accessories. One screenshot features a girl in a bright blue shirt with pink hair. I see nothing that stands out that much. And heck, give us some outfits that show a little skin. Eve isn't rated E.
The second biggest issue is that these items are destroyable, and non-replicable. I think the easiest thing to do would be to reduce the prices dramatically, and change the current items (and the items that have already been sold) into limited 5-run BPCS of these items. Many players are interested in the world of clothing retail, and wouldn't mind bringing it to EVE. While Incarna is a great way for you to make money, the easiest way to make money is by giving players what they want.
The new turrets are nothing short of awesome. I just hope that one day the same can be done for missiles. They added mount points for tractor beams and salvagers; I can't see missiles being that much harder.
And even though it doesn't belong here, I must insist, please, please, please hurry up and fix pirate implants. Them suddenly disappearing was too much of a scare.
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Sneaky Killer
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:25:00 -
[226]
In my 2.5 years of playing eve this is the worst patch I have seen.
GIVE US an option to totally remove the new captains quarters.
I wonder how much money and time was put into making this rubbish.
How about fixing game-play first.
The new item icons are hard to identify.
The only thing i like about this parch is the new ship skin and the turret animations.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:33:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 22/06/2011 03:36:13 Using the couch when the character is standing behind it looks awful. The character literally bounces over the couch like a tin soldier and snaps into a sitting position. Was it too difficult to make a proper animation, or did the QA folk simply not bother to test that part of CQ, just like they apparently didn't bother to test the latest patch on Macs?
The entire CQ environment is a huge resource hog which puts significant stress on all systems, including systems which can run the in-space portion of the game at moderate-high settings without much trouble. There is no reason my GPU should spike to above 70C in CQ while staring at a wall with all settings but shaders turned all the way down, when it almost never goes above 60C with most settings maxed out while running anomalies. If you cant/won't optimize, then at least keep CQ optional permanently.
The lighting is still awful, and makes the character look bad, on top of giving everything a waxy, fake feel. Whoever did the lighting badly needs a crash course in interior design and decoration.
The interactive object system is truly awful. The random menu trees that pop up when sitting on the couch or moving the mouse about are annoying. So is the inability to remove focus from an interactable object. There's also no reason a character should be forced to walk up to an object in order to interact with it. This removes functionality, and adds jack **** to the game.
The control scheme is better than it was during alpha testing, but still could use significant improvement. At the very least, consider adding "walk to" functionality so that we can select an object and have the character automatically walk to it.
Overall, the graphics are pretty, but the shiny factor quickly wore off. I now have CQ disabled simply because it increases loading time and puts greater stress the system and doesn't actually add anything to the game.
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Propoli
Minmatar Piranha Protectorate Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:34:00 -
[228]
Feedback...
I watched this short clip earlier from Fanfest 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoOyvRTA2Ps
What have you been doing for the 3 years since you developed this prototype? It looks pretty much like a carbon copy of what you have now in production minus some shortcuts to fitting screen, PI, etc.
Im really puzzled by your development time, you blow so much smoke up your arse about how great and innovative you are so hopefully the further updates to Incarna will start to justify these claims.
Good luck.
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pashared
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:34:00 -
[229]
excellent!!!
everything looks fantastic. updated-installed-patched in less then 15 minutes and runs prefect. Eve is at last using my GFX card now. everything tip-top in CC at 89% steady sync'ed at 60 fps 1920x1080 27''on a 480gtx
if I could buy you guys a beer I would. really good work there w/everything. its a great move in the right direction. I hope with improved updates and great vision you keep making the game even wider in scope.
Agian cheers CCP thx for all the hard work.
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Magaskaweel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:35:00 -
[230]
Ok, I was reading this thread before I actually patched my game. I was getting angry preemptively, but now that I've tried it, I got this to say:
My PC specs are disgusting. Im running a Intel Pentium D CPU 2.80GHz, with 1GB of RAM, and a geforce GT 240.
Im running the game on high settings and in the CQs the game is smooth as a baby's skin. Only the shadow quality setting is disabled.
So far, except for the ridiculous prices on the shop, and the slightly longer station loading time, Incarna is looking alright. Even the ship in the hangar is alot bigger than it was in the test server. It looks more imposing now.
I lost ship spinning, which I liked, but sitting on my sofa checking the news on the big screen is cool too.
Just please, fix the clothing prices. 1.5 billion ISK for a monocle, really? Not that I want a monocle, but the prices are crazy for all clothing items. And if you dont fix it, hey, at least they will provide an obvious "kill me" sign for pirates to follow, Im sure.
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Pace eGuerra
Gallente Blunted Affect Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:35:00 -
[231]
Really liking the concept of Incarna, its potential to change the social and immersive aspects of the game are huge and am happy to accept your approach of introducing in baby steps.
But I want to add my +1s to the following things that really MUST be added/fixed to bring back playability.
1. We need to stay in our ships when we dock. As far as PVP goes this can't change. It's common for fleet members to leave on a CTA or roam with a missing mod, or need to change their setup en route to a destination. Being able to buy stuff in transit, divert away from fleet, dock, fit, undock and catch up with fleet is a fundamental requirement. Adding technical barriers to the efficiency of this operation is not good.
2. It's not enough to have an option to turn Incarna off even though I'm sure we appreciate that setting. I want to use Incarna and I'm really looking forward to using it beyond CQ but I also need the fast refit / ship change option. There needs to be a disembark option and if we don't disembark then we don't get hit with the performance requirements of Incarna. Dock/refit/undock should be as fast as it was pre-Incarna as long as we don't disembark.
3. I need to be able drag and drop a ship from the hangar window to somewhere on the screen in order to change ship. For example, Simply dragging a ship icon outside of the hangar window should cause that ship to be active. When out of my ship I want firstly to be able to see what ship I will undock with no matter where I am in the station so that I can hit the undock button and know what I'll be in when I enter space. I can do this now by opening the fitting tool but it would nice if there was an icon on the neocom.
4. Need to be able to have separate graphics settings for in station and in space. This should cover both quality vs performance settings as well as moving the centre of the view.
It's a shame that all the stupid emo raging that's going on is detracting from the indisputable fact that the above is really going to kill playability.
Love your work guys, keep it up. But please remember that the player base really need these issues to be addressed.
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Fractal Muse
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:37:00 -
[232]
I've always been a strong proponent of CCP and EVE.
This patch...
:(
That's it.
I wrote more and just deleted it. This patch was a significant disappointment.
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Lilliana Stelles
Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:38:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Propoli Feedback...
I watched this short clip earlier from Fanfest 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoOyvRTA2Ps
What have you been doing for the 3 years since you developed this prototype? It looks pretty much like a carbon copy of what you have now in production minus some shortcuts to fitting screen, PI, etc.
noo... that's a Gallente station. Those are obviously much harder to develop. We probably won't see them till 2017.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:41:00 -
[234]
Feedback: 5 years in the waiting, and what is served up to us is a dogs dinner. The frustrating part is that I'm simply not surprised.
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
Robot Robot
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:49:00 -
[235]
I was a pro-incarna believer, excited for patch day. I just turned off the "Load Station Environment" checkbox, because it was taking in excess of 5 seconds to load the market window on my less than one year old laptop.
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Mdih Lihu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:57:00 -
[236]
Edited by: Mdih Lihu on 22/06/2011 04:07:43 PLEASE return the old ship spinning hangar and add a button just above undock to leave the pod. CQ makes my graphics card fan go mental, so I'd like the option to jump in and out of it as I please. Why the picture of the door? Why not just leave the old hangar?
CQ doesn't really add anything to the game at the moment (I understand its a framework to build on) could have used some more useful things like the agent finder to give it more initial purpose. After 5 minutes of walking around I just disabled it, longer load times and making my GPU run hotter and louder for no reason? Pass thanks.
8 Items in Noble store that are insanely priced and only visible to you anyway? Who in their right mind would buy these things? Strikes me as something you could have left out until a later stage of Incarna when people are mingling together, and started with a lot more variety and reasonable prices. Micro transactions work in other games because people go "Oh hey that looks cool, $1? Whats a dollar.. I'll get it.. oh and hey that is cool too, whats another dollar?" The crazy price of these makes people question "what am I really getting for my money? oh right, some virtual pants.. pass" The time spent implementing this incomplete and pointless Noble store stuff could have been used on something more useful to the solo CQ 'game play'
I don't really know what I expected from this expansion, but it feels like a lot of hype without much purpose at the moment.
RESTORE THE OLD HANGAR WITH THE OPTION TO UN EGG LIKE YOU TOLD US YOU WOULD DO ALL ALONG.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:05:00 -
[237]
Feedback: The EVE client footprint just got twice as large on my workstation and what value was added? Very little for a player interested in Internet Spaceships AND the possibility of a sci-fi simulator.
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
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Omega Tron
Amarr Amarr Mining Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:11:00 -
[238]
OK - as a miner I really like the new mining lazer visual. The Captans Quarters is really different. And is going to take sometime to get use too, but so far I think I need to explore this a lot more.
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Laserham Lincoln
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:13:00 -
[239]
First of all, thank you for the good communication and quick response on the Mac autopatch issue. When I saw it was broken, I didn't expect a fix so quickly.
As for the patch itself. I wasn't excited about it, but I was willing to give CQ an honest shake. After hearing some of the designers and devs talk about it during the AT, I was actually looking forward to it. What we got didn't do it for me. Not only does it take a long time to load, it adversely affects client performance even when not in a station. My system runs about 10 degrees F hotter after the patch.
As far as the content itself goes, yes being able to walk around is neat. But the controls are terrible. You should be able to lock the camera behind your avatar. Turning left or right should be relative to the camera, not the avatar himself. For features in the CQ, by and large they're redundant. The avatar walks slowly enough that it's annoying to navigate to the furniture that provides a function when there's already a button for it. Moving the smaller ships closer to the balcony screws with perspective, so my frigate doesn't look that much smaller than my freighter.
I would really really really like to be able to turn CQ off. I miss being able to open my cargo by double clicking anywhere on the hangar window. I think this is a neat first step towards expanding the Eve universe, and I'm excited about where this is going, but for right now we've got a bloated client with poor performance and a hard to use/slow to use CQ interface and no real payoff for it. If I could roll back to Incursion I would, but I'll welcome WIS when there's more I can do with it.
PS: new turrets are neat, and I really like the new Maller model
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awg2
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:13:00 -
[240]
I understand CCP wants to attract Sims kids to play EVE, but they should allow us to have the option not to. I mean don't even think of removing the option "Load Station Environment" The whole Incarna idea is useless to real EVE players, and creates FPS issues that we don't want.
Reenable ship change with drag & drop
Allow us to view current ship in use together with the wall (which I don't mind seeing as background) when station environment is disabled, and easily open again cargohold.
Undocking camera should revert back to what it was before... I don't want to check the station when undocking and sightseeing but what is ahead waiting for me
Real changes like new icons/turrets/ship designs was good, although I find them a bit dark and unclear.
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Sassums
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:21:00 -
[241]
I for one, like this new expansion, I think it is quite a cool experience to be able to walk around and actually see my ship floating over the hanger bay. It'd be nice to be able to see others walking around as well, and their ships.
While it is now a little more cumbersome to get the same stuff done, such as fitting your ship, switching ships, etc, but still none the less a pretty cool system.
Would it be possible to have your character spawn near the ship terminal rather than in your room, to make it easier to quick changes on the ship or if you are trying to pick up items?
The amount of stress the new expansion is playing on my computer is noticeable.
Before Incarna I would get a steady 200FPS with max settings while in the station, and a little higher amount outside the station.
Now with incarna I get 30 FPS, if I am lucky, turning the graphics to the lowest they will go, only yields around 50 FPS. What is stressing the graphics engine so much that is causing this issue?
I noticed a few threads on the forums, complaining about CPU temperature sky rocketing, so I downloaded a program to check into it.
Right now without the game running my CPU is at 47C, when I launched the game and let it sit for a few minutes, the CPU rose to a max of 65C. Not sure if that would climb or not, but that is where it was sitting. I am not sure about out of station, but the station environment alone is putting a lot of stress on the CPU.
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Iaphar Shaddai
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:28:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Shantheor I am running on a mac and the new captains quarters runs so slow. It takes forever to load up the station when docking, and then the entire station animation runs too slowly to use. Perhaps make the new animations and captains quarters optional? It takes so long to load (almost 2 minutes) it makes quick station stops for ammo or repairs impractical.
Anyone else experiencing very slow FPS in the new station environment?
I found your problem...... your running on a Mac, go buy yourself a PC and enjoy gaming :P
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Engineer Floyd
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:32:00 -
[243]
I agree with those who have already suggested it, a "disembark button" is the ideal solution. It solves the roleplay issues, the performance issues, and the playability issues. In short, it needs to happpen. I want to use Incarna, but right now it's a nightmare.
Also, I want the old turret icons back, it's something we're all familiar with and there's really no reason to change them if the majority want legacy icons, or how 'bout this: add an option in the ESC menu to use legacy icons, then everybody wins
And once again.... SHIP SPINNING!!!
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Lorin Edehiel
Northmoor Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:38:00 -
[244]
cccp, you are just lucky i can turn it off. got pis.sed after 10 seconds.
you are just lucky...
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Rusti Trombone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:40:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Talsha Talamar
- To be honest, the best thing about the office currently, is the ability to turn it off.
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Resivan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:41:00 -
[246]
Edited by: Resivan on 22/06/2011 04:51:56 My expectations for CQ were low, so I wasn't that disappointed. At least on my laptop, looked like a slideshow. My desktop computer might do better, but I want to play EVE crashed on my couch not sitting at my desk. Spent a few minutes watching my avatar blunder around and then disabled it. Net loss of immersion, since I can no longer instantly see what ship I'm in. Or ship spin.
New turret effects are ok; new turret icons are ugly and harder to tell apart than they should be.
Noble store items? If I could find clothes this ugly IRL I could buy them cheaper than what you want for pixels. Fire your designers and get someone who can deliver clothing people might actually want to wear. And drop the prices by about an order of magnitude.
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Chaos Darkmatter
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:43:00 -
[247]
The work that has gone into this patch is awesome and it looks pretty good if not a bit laggy. The game play is now being affected due to the lag. I propose that you keep everything the same as it was with a leave pod option that would immerse players into the captains quarters.
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WootChaun
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:44:00 -
[248]
I'd like to think that for every person complaining, there's at least 20 more people who silently sit back and enjoy the game, otherwise I feel really bad for CCP and all the hard work they put into trying to improve their game.
I like the changes. The new turrets are awesome, CQ is great considering it's the first release. For now yes, it's a little bland with not much to do and there's a noticeable FPS drop after coming from space, but I can definitely see the potential it has. Also, I love the agent finder. Not so useful for me now, but it will be great for new players starting out. Can't believe it took so long to implement something like that. Or was it always there and I just missed it? heh
As for the premium vanity items... I won't be purchasing them. I'm just not interested, but I like that it's an option for people who might be, even if it is a really expensive one.
Speaking of options, being able to choose if you leave your ship or not when you dock would be great too. Not only would it ADD to immersion, it would help those with not so powerful systems and those who just don't like the idea. Kind've surprised CCP didn't make this a choice already, seeing as how you wouldn't always want to leave your ship anyway. Maybe you just docked to drop off some ore or accept a mission or pick up ammo or whatever. Maybe for now it's mandatory because CCP wants to collect feedback on performance or technical issues and in the future will make it an option?
Overall though I think Incarna is great! Keep up the good work CCP!
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Hoarder's Greed
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:44:00 -
[249]
First, I thank all the developers spent time on a patch for your work
Now about the patch
turret looks super
Captains cabin look norms but not without context usability. Eve is a game about space and ships, and as my avatar would not be able to take a blaster and wearing a military assault suit will go to an enemy ship or abordash base all these uninteresting
Your best additions to EVE over the last few years has been WormHoles because: added new territory, enemies, resources, ships everything for what we love and play Eve
Summing up enough to spend time on minor changes to already enjoy a normal appendix in game content: as new ships, modules, and those areas of the enemies
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Jitorius
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:48:00 -
[250]
Edited by: Jitorius on 22/06/2011 05:12:20 - being in station, clicking into the room and pressing Tab won't minimize (and subsequently maximize on pressing Tab again maximize) all UI windows. Works only outside stations.
- turning off the station environment, you can't check on a glimpse what ship you're in again (pre-Incarna, it used to be possible even with deactivated station environment).
- being docked in station doesn't display the station owning corporation in the top right any longer.
- Wallet displays amount of currency in the top right now, instead of the previous top left. Bad UI, as ppl read from left to right, and relevant information should be sitting where you read it first.
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Garheade
Amarr Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:50:00 -
[251]
Great Job on the CQ's! Eve Runs better than ever for me...
One comment though, aren't micro transactions supposed to be "micro"? I'll shop once you make it affordable...
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Skah Seraph
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:52:00 -
[252]
Turrets look awesome!
To all you haters out there, please, PLEASE go do something else with your lives and let the rest of us enjoy this game without your childish overtures. There was a time when I was proud of this community but the amount of whine is taking it's toll... THIS IS THE FOUNDATION FOR A EVEN BETTER NEW EDEN!!
Is it perfect? No. But it's the first step in creating an even more immersive universe and a lot of people are really excited about that. Sorry you can't appreciate that.
All dinosaurs feel free to shut up about spinning ships :/
Thank you CCP for staying true to your vision of what Eve can become!!!
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Nobani
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nobani on 22/06/2011 04:58:07 My comments, from most important to least.
- being docked in station doesn't display the station owning corporation in the top right any longer. Kind of nice to have it right in your face that you won't be able to re-dock if you undock.
- Lack of running makes captain's quarters unusable. Movement is too slow. - Should be able to lock cursor to center of the screen, so moving the mouse will rotate the field of view (like every other game ever) - Clicking on the planet should allow you to pick any nearby planet (preferably based off your Remote Sensing skill). - No way of accessing the market through the Captain's Quarters? - A bunch of window should probably be minimized automatically when you enter a station. Otherwise it's really cluttered. - Seam on the top of the head for bald characters. - Should be a pod-entering/leaving animation instead of the "entering space/station" progress bar. - Would be nice if station services could fold-in to show just small versions of the service buttons, similar to the neocom.
Overall a very skippable expansion.
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Straahl
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:57:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Pace eGuerra Really liking the concept of Incarna, its potential to change the social and immersive aspects of the game are huge and am happy to accept your approach of introducing in baby steps.
But I want to add my +1s to the following things that really MUST be added/fixed to bring back playability.
1. We need to stay in our ships when we dock. As far as PVP goes this can't change. It's common for fleet members to leave on a CTA or roam with a missing mod, or need to change their setup en route to a destination. Being able to buy stuff in transit, divert away from fleet, dock, fit, undock and catch up with fleet is a fundamental requirement. Adding technical barriers to the efficiency of this operation is not good.
2. It's not enough to have an option to turn Incarna off even though I'm sure we appreciate that setting. I want to use Incarna and I'm really looking forward to using it beyond CQ but I also need the fast refit / ship change option. There needs to be a disembark option and if we don't disembark then we don't get hit with the performance requirements of Incarna. Dock/refit/undock should be as fast as it was pre-Incarna as long as we don't disembark.
3. I need to be able drag and drop a ship from the hangar window to somewhere on the screen in order to change ship. For example, Simply dragging a ship icon outside of the hangar window should cause that ship to be active. When out of my ship I want firstly to be able to see what ship I will undock with no matter where I am in the station so that I can hit the undock button and know what I'll be in when I enter space. I can do this now by opening the fitting tool but it would nice if there was an icon on the neocom.
4. Need to be able to have separate graphics settings for in station and in space. This should cover both quality vs performance settings as well as moving the centre of the view.
It's a shame that all the stupid emo raging that's going on is detracting from the indisputable fact that the above is really going to kill playability.
Love your work guys, keep it up. But please remember that the player base really need these issues to be addressed.
Pretty much all this right here sum up my feelings. Especially, "2. It's not enough to have an option to turn Incarna off even though I'm sure we appreciate that setting. I want to use Incarna and I'm really looking forward to using it beyond CQ but I also need the fast refit / ship change option. There needs to be a disembark option and if we don't disembark then we don't get hit with the performance requirements of Incarna. Dock/refit/undock should be as fast as it was pre-Incarna as long as we don't disembark."
CCP, we NEED a disembark feature.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:59:00 -
[255]
Edited by: Vandrion on 22/06/2011 04:59:30 GPU heat issue:
geforce gtx550 TI
30 degree C temp spike with CQ turned on. Jump in temp happens within 3 minutes of loading CQ environment.
11 total fans in unit. Not a airflow issue.
GPU load issue:
Increase in gpu usage of approx 20% with CQ loaded
These issues are not isolated to me......... FIX THIS STUFF ASAP PLEASE
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Nocturrne Solace
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:06:00 -
[256]
What a waste... Do you really think I will spend real money on virtual pants?
And Thank You for allowing us to turn off the CQ - useless eye candy.
Noc
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Skah Seraph
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:17:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Pace eGuerra
1. We need to stay in our ships when we dock. As far as PVP goes this can't change. It's common for fleet members to leave on a CTA or roam with a missing mod, or need to change their setup en route to a destination. Being able to buy stuff in transit, divert away from fleet, dock, fit, undock and catch up with fleet is a fundamental requirement. Adding technical barriers to the efficiency of this operation is not good.
2. It's not enough to have an option to turn Incarna off even though I'm sure we appreciate that setting. I want to use Incarna and I'm really looking forward to using it beyond CQ but I also need the fast refit / ship change option. There needs to be a disembark option and if we don't disembark then we don't get hit with the performance requirements of Incarna. Dock/refit/undock should be as fast as it was pre-Incarna as long as we don't disembark.
Dude you can still fit your ship the second you enter the station. The load times have really changed insignificantly unless your running the game on an etch-a-sketch.
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Vexy NiLakum
Amarr Assero Argentum
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:20:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Vandrion Edited by: Vandrion on 22/06/2011 04:59:30 GPU heat issue:
geforce gtx550 TI
30 degree C temp spike with CQ turned on. Jump in temp happens within 3 minutes of loading CQ environment.
11 total fans in unit. Not a airflow issue.
GPU load issue:
Increase in gpu usage of approx 20% with CQ loaded
These issues are not isolated to me......... FIX THIS STUFF ASAP PLEASE
Not sure if serious!?
In the old environment, the video card was rendering only a few 100s polygons for the entire station environment (which was created a few years ago), plus only a single ship. In Incarta, it is rendering not only that, but high definition quarters, and highly detailed character model. Of course, the video card is going to work at maximum to rendering all that eye candy, and generate a whole lot of heat in the process. Which brings me to heat issue. Modern video cards are designed to go to 90C heat thresholds, if they are pushed. That is normal. At idle, most video cards are around 40C to 50C, so if your video card rose by 30C, that means it is working at max. Which brings me to your video card, gtx550 TI is not a gaming video card. It is at the low end of mainstream range. If you want a gaming card, either 560 (up to 50% increase in performance) or 570 (up to 100% increase in performance) will do. Please refer to the following charts: http://www.geforce.com/#/Hardware/GPUs/geforce-gtx-550ti/performance
What I think few people failed to grasp is that, with Incarta, CCP once again updated and pushed graphic boundaries in Eve Online, thus requiring newer hardware to render them.
Do I have "heat" issues? Yes. With Incarta, my geforce gtx580 is only able to push 40 fps @ 1920x1200 with all settings max. Compared to 200 fps I get in open space, if I disable vsync. I do too hear my gfx580 spin up and go thermanuclear, but it does exactly the same thing in other modern games as well, e.g. Metro 2033, Global Agenda, Battlefield Bad Company 2.
--- Corp Pet.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 -
[259]
Hi CCP, I can see you put a lot of work into this update, so I'd like to congratulate you on finally getting it out after all these years. My impressions after looking and poking around for half an hour:
- CQ - It looks very good. Nice to see my character walk around. For the first 5 minutes. Sadly, despite all the hard work you've put in, in its current incarnation it quickly gets very boring. Thanks for allowing us to disable it, as I'm sure you will have noticed that there are many people who are not really interested in CQ, especially the more spaceship oriented people like myself. We'll see what the next update to Incarna will bring, but I strongly suggest making the disable feature permanent. Additionally, you really need to put the ships back in the middle of the hanger for those who keep the CQ view enabled, as the sense of scale fails badly in the current implementation.
- The new Turrets - The new turret graphics are very nice, although the visual logic behind some of them is somewhat hard to comprehend. I'm also not really sure if all this work was necessary, to be honest. It wasn't a request item at all. having to relearn all the turret graphics for PvP is painful, but I think we'll live
- The Agent Finder - This visual interface to a simple DB query is something that has been needed for a long time. Excellent
- The Noble Exchange - I'm not exactly sure what you were thinking when you came up with the prices for the clothing goods but charging more for a virtual pair of trousers than they cost in real life is not going to get you many customers for a game which already costs $180 per year. I am seriously hoping that the prices for those goods are a glitch and that the two extra zeros at the end are not meant to be there.
- The changes to unscannable T3 ships and probing - This is very good even if the probing changes make probing now slightly OP/unbalanced
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:24:00 -
[260]
It might sound silly, but I spend years to build the story setting for my characters primarily through the standing system. Through that I could show in public who and what I was supporting which created huge immersion and made me feel a connection to the world of EVE.
Not even this could the immersion "expanding" Incarna deliver...
Seems like my motivation to log on is going quickly down the drain.
-- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space |
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MrSpaceDragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:28:00 -
[261]
My Graphics Card is too old???? I need shader 3.0? I don't even know what that is, and I just bought this graphics card off Ebay like only 2 months ago(ATI Radon 300X).
Does anyone know if I can get a really cheap Shader 3.0 Graphics card at Wal-Mart?
Will it say that it is Shader 3.0 compliant on the box?
thanks PC E-Machine.
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lealenia Aivoras
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: lealenia Aivoras on 22/06/2011 05:39:42
MOST USELESS PATCH EVER HAVE DONE
Now I cant see my ship. I suppose to dock and emty my orca and undock again but since there is no ship no way to right click on it to open its hangar either. I have to open ship window find orca in list, then click on it open hangar (ship window stay top on it ) then close ship window and emty ore from hangar.
New icons are ridiculus. Strip miner turrets unrecognizable , they like smudged pic. Even more difficult to recognize by target signse if they are turret or some astroids on background. It took time to find out that thing on my highslot is tractor beam. Actually I still coulodnt figure out what makes it looks like tractor beam device.
New gun icons not eve like, they look like something from starcraft game. Sadly Eve started to change. I always thought I can play this game forever but Now im thinking end of the way is near.
I have no comment on new turret animations. Probably most people like it. Personaly I care more about gameplay and my achivement rather than some fancy grphics. I always play with lowest graph settings. so it didnt add anything for me.
But overal performance slowed down. After carbon releases my mouse started to make frezes , now pain to run two client on same computer even with minimal settings
I have no idea what CCP want to do. I would say They dont wanna pay for usablity tests and want to use players feedbacks as usability test but they dont look like care or read these forum either. I mean look at these feedbacks %90 negative and they still insist to go their way.
Maybe everybody should file petition about these complains. Maybe this company only analyze custumer feedbacks from petitions.
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Vexy NiLakum
Amarr Assero Argentum
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:41:00 -
[263]
Originally by: MrSpaceDragon My Graphics Card is too old???? I need shader 3.0? I don't even know what that is, and I just bought this graphics card off Ebay like only 2 months ago(ATI Radon 300X).
Does anyone know if I can get a really cheap Shader 3.0 Graphics card at Wal-Mart?
Will it say that it is Shader 3.0 compliant on the box?
thanks PC E-Machine.
How much did you pay for RADEON X300?
I am sorry to say, but it is a relic this day and age. It was introduced in June 2004. This is nearly 7 years ago. Current video card hardware moves at too quick of a pace, the capabilities and performance of video card doubles every 18-24 months.
You need to visit computer oriented shops. Search for a local and small computer with specialists who can help you.
If you looking for a decent video card, I would recomment either nVidia GeForce GTX 560 TI or ATI/AMD RADEON HD 6750.
Of course, if you still running RADEON X300, it may be time to update update your entire computer, since newer video cards will require newer motherboard components as well.
Your best course of action is to visit local computer specialists and seek their advice. --- Corp Pet.
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Alethia Malek
Caldari Silicate Illusion Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:53:00 -
[264]
CCP/Everyone: The following is going to be critical. It's supposed to be. It's feedback. It might be a little flamey, but I've really felt no change except for UI elements since I've played CQ on the test server. I love the patch, but there are some serious flaws in it that I hope you will address. I have seen some wonderful suggestions for this game that I think you really take into account. So again, I love the hard work you've done, I just think you should have thought about it a little more and polished it A LOT before release...
--
Well, I don't mind the eye candy. I miss the ship spinning but that's okay.
The entire thing that really ruins the experience for me is the fact that movement, just sucks. I can't exactly remember if I've said this somewhere else but I know I've been thinking it since CQ hit the test sever. Buy your Devs some first and third person shooters so they can learn what movement is supposed to be like. I mean... really CCP? I'm not allowed to 'strafe' while holding down the camera button to look around? Is there anyone in your office that plays other games?
The problem I'm thinking you are having trouble trying to understand, is CQ and the rest of EVE online are two distinct, but separate games. The only connection they share, is the background story, and the ability to change things in the "Space" portion of it from the CQ portion of it.
As soon as someone "leaves" that pod, you have now entered Unreal Dress up in Space sans the shooting. I'm not going to claim I know what other games people play. But judging from the posts I've skimmed over in this thread, a lot of people here at least play (or have played) either a third, or first person shooter. That means for us, camera movement is awkward. It's like I've been an Olympic athlete running Triathlons in other games, to being shot in the spine and becoming a paraplegic in this one.
The main point being is that movement in space, and movement in CQ are two totally different beasts. When you are in CQ, your WSAD keys are absolute. Nothing, and I mean, absolutely nothing should prevent movement. It does not matter if another window is open, or what not. As soon as I hit the W key, I expect my character to move forward. Period. The only exception to this rule, is when you are typing in a text input, for instance, The chat box. But as soon as I hit the enter key, focus should return to the character.
I for one am used to having to repeatedly press enter, or Y or U or some other key to bring focus to the chat box. If I want to search for something inside a hangar, I don't mind clicking on that search box to type in it. But as soon as I hit enter after text is entered, I expect to see the focus return to the character, not remain in the box.
Bleh. I guess I'm just complaing, seeing as I have an extensive MMO background. When I have a character that walks around, I expect the feel of other MMO's. I know this isn't wow, but consider that WoW had camera and movement down to a science. Making Roid belts suffer one rock at a time! |
Junky Juke
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:53:00 -
[265]
The first step is done!
Thank you CCP for you brave deployment of Incarna. Obviously many ppl started to complain about uselessness ect ect. Regular: they don't fully unterstand CCP's "avant-garde philosophy"...
Now some personal suggestions: 1. You should make it possibile to separately scale CQ and in space graphics. The shader quality has a profound impact on overhall performance while in station. 2. The random TV screen content is nice, but I'm shure you can make it more usefull (do you?) 3. Interactivity is the key to success: CQ should be more interactive. 4. I find that the full 3D UI is useless untill you completely remove the old UI: you should push the players to use it! 5. The difference in size of vessels should be more clear (and more spectacular for big ships) 6. Loading times have to be optimized, it takes about 30 seconds for me to load the quarters graphics 7. Allow players to decide whether to stay or get off the ship.
I still have to test the other new features, other feedback incoming! Good Job CCP
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Chuckles Beeshaw
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:58:00 -
[266]
Edited by: Chuckles Beeshaw on 22/06/2011 05:59:46
Originally by: Vandrion Edited by: Vandrion on 22/06/2011 04:59:30 GPU heat issue:
geforce gtx550 TI
30 degree C temp spike with CQ turned on. Jump in temp happens within 3 minutes of loading CQ environment.
11 total fans in unit. Not a airflow issue.
GPU load issue:
Increase in gpu usage of approx 20% with CQ loaded
These issues are not isolated to me......... FIX THIS STUFF ASAP PLEASE
exact same problem here.. the quick solution they need to do would be to have 2 different sets of video options. one for in station, one for out of station. otherwise this "expansion" is completely unusable to people like you and i. my case has awesome airflow but this almost destroyed my card (very hot gpu temp). i can get back down to normal temps if i put all graphics settings to low while in cq, but it's either that or disable... disabling is easier than switching back and forth.
add CQ-specific video options please!!! .
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Lorin Edehiel
Northmoor Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:58:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Roan Pico
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Oh My God CCP.... The JEW is strong in this one
... antisemitism is strong in ^^ this ^^ one
antisemitism? most (if not all) of world banks are owned/run by jews. jews control money flow, even in XXI century, when we should be exploring space instead of cutting each others throats... so he merely stated a fact, mate.
antisemitism is complitely a different thing.
if i state that jews in israel treat palestinians like they were treated during WW2 would you call me antisemit too?
dont let the jewish mass-media fool you, mate. stating the facts does not equals antisemitism.
cheers
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Skah Seraph
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:02:00 -
[268]
Don't think he's gonna see your response 9 pages deep bro...
Oh yeah, please take it somewhere else
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Symoen
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:04:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 21/06/2011 23:29:32
Originally by: Roan Pico
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Oh My God CCP.... The JEW is strong in this one
... antisemitism is strong in ^^ this ^^ one
Its slang dude, but whatever. sorry to hurt your feelings
The **** is strong in you... umadbro?
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Rivatha Askold
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:05:00 -
[270]
I can't log in!!
I downloaded the new patch and sub patch, however the new client will not allow me to type in the password field!!
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Lorin Edehiel
Northmoor Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:06:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Skah Seraph Don't think he's gonna see your response 9 pages deep bro...
Oh yeah, please take it somewhere else
was my previous statement invalid? aint the jews via Israel 'Defense' Forces exterminating palestinians as we speak, on daily basis? dont they control flow of money? does the truth hurts you mate? is it inconvinient to you?
ps. i didnt started it. he did so please dont blame me.
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Emmy Mnemonic
Amarr Lone Gunmen
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:07:00 -
[272]
Well, triple-boxing is not easy after the expansion! Running 3 EVE clients on an Intel i7, 8 MB RAM, Windoze 7 64-bit, GeForce 460, 2 Screens. My feeling is that even a really high-end PC won't handle three clients without lag?
It's LAGGY! alt+tabbing to firefox is also laggy, and firefox itself is laggy. ALl CPU cores are working like hell...
This also means that it runs faster having two toons undocked and cloaked up rather than having them in CQ. Thats risky of course. There be bubbling peeps out there! Also means that it's more "fuzz" switching ships for your toons, trading items between toons in same station etc etc etc...
...Guess it's time to get a new graphics card. Thanks CCP, I needed that! My 460 GTX is only 6 months old. NVidia will love you CCP!
This is a game about internet spacesh....no wait! It's a game about internet vanity! ;-)
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Sabotasje
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:11:00 -
[273]
Looks pretty cool CCP - I like the approach to my ship Couple of niggles:
- The avatar seems somehow sluggish and, for me at least, takes a step or so after I stop moving it. Would be nice to decrease reaction time or increase avatar speed.
- The two side monitors do this blinky-TV-refresh type thing, that isn't quite TV refresh. It's just like a flash to me when I'm not focused on it, and is quite distracting.
- Is the content on the side monitors customisable, or can it be? I almost never look at corporation stuff. Market or skills would be cool. I'm sure others have similar issues with a dedicated PI screen.
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:12:00 -
[274]
Edited by: Morar Santee on 22/06/2011 06:16:32 Considering CCP didn't give a flying **** about our feedback up to this point.. but hope dies last.
It's been said by every second poster in this thread. Please make CQ / normal station environment optional choices.
Please restore previous functionality. Giving us the normal station environment back would go a long way in this.
In CQ, please restore the previous station services window. It is useful to see the NPC Corporation's logo and have a one-click access to its info sheet. I don't know why this was taken away. It makes no sense you would cut out functionality, ever.
Edit: Put ships where they belong in the docking area. They need to be centered above the platform. Small ships ought to look small, not hang mid-air way off their actual docking platform. It makes no sense, it breaks immersion and it looks bad.
Seriously. Please. We're ****ing begging on our knees for you to stick to your promises. It's not really asking too much, is it?
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Lorin Edehiel
Northmoor Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:14:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Morgan Polaris Mwhaahaha, 4 x PLEX for an ocular implant??
Turrets are cool, WiS was and is vaporware. GTFO.
realy? incarna su.cks donkeys ba11s? so... unexpected...
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Fiona Blamont
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:17:00 -
[276]
*BUG* Hurricane Hardpoint Layout
The placement of guns and launchers on the Hurricane hull isn't symmetrical. When you place a weapon, its supposed to position them in pairs on opposite sides of the hull. Instead it positions one on one side and another on the opposite side in a different spot. Once you're done adding all your weapons in the fitting screen, you'll notice that guns are all over the place on the wings, hull and under belly. Launchers are hidden since they don't show up on the hull.
The only way to remedy it is to add guns in slots one through six and launchers in slots seven and eight. Unfortunately this isn't an ideal placement for overheating.
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Takeshi Ryuu
Black Octopus Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:18:00 -
[277]
The ambient light in the captain quarters is either missing or does not have enough intensity. The super-deep shadows on character faces look really unnatural.
It seems that near the bed is the only place where one can take screenshots of a char that will not look scary as there is a low-hanging light source near the bed which highlights the chars face more or less from the right angle.
Please, make the ambient light more intensive. It is ok to have some shadows, but the current shadows on char faces look like they are being hit by a searchlight.
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Senses Dallo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:20:00 -
[278]
roll it back people
admit it was a mistake ... we WILL forgive you ... promise .... we all will
work on the spacey side of a SPACESHIP MMO .... you know .... ships and space and pew pew and stuff
regards
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Nocturrne Solace
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:20:00 -
[279]
Bugs bugs bugs...
-When I jump to another clone, all of the ships I own still appear in the hanger, even though there are no ships in the station I jumped to.
-The other client I am running on the same machine has no sound, no matter what settings I try.
-After turning off the CQ, to make the game playable again, I cannot see my ship in station. I have to find it in the hanger list, which is especially fun when there is no way to know what ship I am in. Brilliant...
By the way, the CQ performance is terrible, even with my i7, 8G RAM, SSD, and a 1G Nvidia card. Congratz
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Brunmunde Hildegaard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:23:00 -
[280]
10/10 on Incarna's first steps CCP, Bravo.
Don't let these other ingrates get your spirits down with their whining, this is superb work. I'll tell you why:
Pentium 4 Prescott HT 3,0ghz Singlecore 2gb Corsair DDR2667 (4-4-4-12) -underclocked- to 533mhz due to crappy motherboard limitations XFX GeForce 9600GT 512mb
Station runs smooth at 30fps, and I get as much as 60fps out in space. No laggyness while fighting/walking/checking quarters. Does take about 35 seconds to load station environment, but afterwards everything is fine. 1280x960 resolution, all graphics options maxed except AA which at this resolution doesn't help much anyway.
To all the whiners reading this thread going on about performance problems.. well.. My 7 year old hardware > you.
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Von Raberg
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:28:00 -
[281]
This one is just awesome. Great work CCP! The performance is incredible... okay my computer is only a few months old but i installed it on my old laptop and it works smooth! The quality of the texture and the smooth moving is just awesome... A big first step - great work!
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Megumi Yumiko
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:31:00 -
[282]
I rarely post something in the forums regard to anything but for this i wil.
The clothing shop is not that exspeisve but compared to the things you get it is not worth it (no admiral coat T-T) the new weapon system are great and the lack of jamming in missions are not bad either.
however CQ was a total let down in the way of buggyness and speed of it.
so i say a slightly wasted chance in eve and a big problem for alot of players as running more then 1 acount is hell now.
Anyway its a nice try but next time label it as patch and not exspansion could you please?
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Alaekessa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:31:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Sabotasje Looks pretty cool CCP - I like the approach to my ship Couple of niggles:
- The avatar seems somehow sluggish and, for me at least, takes a step or so after I stop moving it. Would be nice to decrease reaction time or increase avatar speed.
- The two side monitors do this blinky-TV-refresh type thing, that isn't quite TV refresh. It's just like a flash to me when I'm not focused on it, and is quite distracting.
- Is the content on the side monitors customisable, or can it be? I almost never look at corporation stuff. Market or skills would be cool. I'm sure others have similar issues with a dedicated PI screen.
^^this, I would LOVE it if I could have my Market Orders on one of the screens, especially if there was the option to have any orders that changed be moved to the top of the list
A Sci/Ind monitor would also be very welcome in my CQ....
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Engineer Floyd
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:32:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Lorin Edehiel
Originally by: Roan Pico
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Oh My God CCP.... The JEW is strong in this one
... antisemitism is strong in ^^ this ^^ one
antisemitism? most (if not all) of world banks are owned/run by jews. jews control money flow, even in XXI century, when we should be exploring space instead of cutting each others throats... so he merely stated a fact, mate.
antisemitism is complitely a different thing.
if i state that jews in israel treat palestinians like they were treated during WW2 would you call me antisemit too?
dont let the jewish mass-media fool you, mate. stating the facts does not equals antisemitism.
cheers
Lorin, you're an anti-semit. You've gone and judged an entire ethnic group based on broad claims. That, sir, is Racism
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Sim3tric
Amarr Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:33:00 -
[285]
Biggest pile of dog s--t ever Running 1 client is bad enough, Running 3!! not a chance I couldn't give 2 s--ts about CQ so why force me into that lag hole. Not getting another penny out me for this pile of crap 4 accounts goodbye..
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Lorin Edehiel
Northmoor Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:44:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Death Cell I love the new expansion, CCP!
Captain's Quarters is REALLY COOL and the graphics are perfectly awesome. I cannot wait to interact with other players in stations! =)
Keep up the great work CCP! I love everything about this patch.
Also, just ignore all the nay sayers, the path you guys are taking now with the game is the best. ^^
whatever you smoke... i want some too. seems like a good stuff, mate.
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Lorin Edehiel
Northmoor Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:46:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Engineer Floyd
Originally by: Lorin Edehiel
Originally by: Roan Pico
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Oh My God CCP.... The JEW is strong in this one
... antisemitism is strong in ^^ this ^^ one
antisemitism? most (if not all) of world banks are owned/run by jews. jews control money flow, even in XXI century, when we should be exploring space instead of cutting each others throats... so he merely stated a fact, mate.
antisemitism is complitely a different thing.
if i state that jews in israel treat palestinians like they were treated during WW2 would you call me antisemit too?
dont let the jewish mass-media fool you, mate. stating the facts does not equals antisemitism.
cheers
Lorin, you're an anti-semit. You've gone and judged an entire ethnic group based on broad claims. That, sir, is Racism
broad claims? i dont know where you come from mate, but where i live it's called reality. you dont read much news, do you?
i admit, ignorance is a bliss.
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Peter Tjordenskiold
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:49:00 -
[288]
It's looking cool but what I need is different. I need
- all my information about my ship
and my items in station calendar marked ....
So I switched of the quarters.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:53:00 -
[289]
I have an idea...stop being a bunch of f&%king children and grow up. Now I know this update has screwed with a lot of peoples EVE playing, but its not the 90s anymore, its freaking 2011. No matter what CCP does, you lot will nag and complain anyways. I run 2 games at the same time with both in station (yes, on one computer). All I'm running is an AMD Athlon 6000+ dual core 3.0ghz CPU, 4GB RAM (Using a 64bit OS), 1.5TB HDD space and an Nvidia GTX 9800+ (1GB) graphics card...with a 256kbs internet connection. No problems, blown a few ships up today and lost just as many, hasn't impacted my pewpew in any way.
I enjoy walking around in the station, a change from station spinning. And sitting down playing the market, getting names of bounties, keeping up to date with sov changes and getting names of new pilots to recruit has made waiting for my GCC to cool down a LOT more enjoyable. Only problem I see is the massive expense behind the clothing items.
For all those complaining, grow up, get with the times and get a damn life.
CCP, step in the right direction. Thank for you the FREE expansion and for bring EVE that step closer to being a full scifi reality for us to enjoy (and thanks for all the hard work too). ---------------------------------
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Joshawu Minden
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:55:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Lorin Edehiel Lorin, you're an anti-semit. You've gone and judged an entire ethnic group based on broad claims. That, sir, is Racism
Last time I checked, semite was a culture, and jew was a religion. No race was involved, so that disqualifies racism.
However, making broadly applicable claims, and throwing every member of a religion into the same pot, is a very questionable practice, and should be refrained from.
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Zeta Kalin
Large Rodent Hunters
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:59:00 -
[291]
Only thing that would keep me subscribed at this point would be getting CCP Zinfandel in a jar as a proof that this bull**** is over.
Congrats on killing your game, it will possibly become business school teaching material as to what not to do with a successful product. -- This was the time, CCP was still CCP, it was good. |
Leon Razor
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:59:00 -
[292]
The sprites for the new turrets that appear next to the target that turret is firing at are very low resolution to the point that the image just looks like a gray blob.
I ran a mission today in a domi to see the new turrets and I noticed this problem when comparing the icon for drones and 350mm Railgun II.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:16:00 -
[293]
I don't think my turrets skill bonuses are being applied, or at the very least my implants bonuses.
NPC speech sounds are following me around everywhere, into and out of stations, through gates etc.
Speed indicator is stuck on warp
The temporary 'do not load stations' needs to be a permanent option or you are simply going to alienate a large amount of people.
also...
The new turrets are nice enough (but a pointless addition)
The unoptimised junk that is the captains quarters is just a disaster.
You gave us a barbie doll instead of a ship in a hanger and yet all the mechanics of 'you must be in a pod to jump' etc are the same as if we are still docked in a ship. This is a disastrously embarrassing mess and needs to be fixed.
I'll refrain from giving you my true thoughts on the store or the monocle that costs a months worth of food.
Peoples Quafe t-shirt codes are being rejected ~~~
(ಠ_ృ)
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Adrian Stair
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:26:00 -
[294]
There is a lot og negativity going on, now. Perhaps it is because I haven't tried Incarna yet, but CCP's intent is to make this game better. With Incarna they try to do something big. Why not let them try; they will listen to feedback, things will get closer to what we want, and again we will enjoy the great game that is Eve.
Perhaps we should consider Incarna 1.0 as skill level I, most skills won't do much good until level III. Giving Incarna a rank 25, we'll see level III before christmas.
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Greg lawlers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:33:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 22/06/2011 00:20:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4 <-- general feeling about Incarna
more like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1z3RCzxgI&NR=1 |
Flaming Lies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:34:00 -
[296]
First off, good job, really like the CQ and new turret parts, looks nice, runs smooth (currently quadboxing @60fps)
-CQ: see no problems so far, waiting on more station stiles (races) -new turrets: like a lot of turrets, digg the recoil and barrel-glow -Maller: finally good-looking, if useless ;) -Noble Exchange: expensive enough that is will be really rare, thank you
so and some not-likes: -strip miners: tiny blue beam? how is that better than awesome big yellow mineral-sweep? mining ops just got much more boring ;) also, they dont switch between top/bottom turret until cycle is over, leading to top hull-puncture
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:40:00 -
[297]
Quite a bit I like. The turrets, the graphical tweaks to the spaceships. The agent finder is a great addition.
However, the Captains Quarters is killing my laptops graphics card. A 66 percent reduction in fps is not acceptable in my book. and that's with the settings on low. Can't double click on my ship to open the cargo and turning it all off just gives to a dull background with no spaceship to look at. And the new marketplace is just a con to rip us off.
I'm sorry, but in my honest opinion, Captains Quarters is just a blatant attempt to push up sales of graphics cards from CCP's preferred vendor's. Not giving us the option to keep a station UI we were used to proves that.
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Rusti Trombone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:43:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Adrian Stair Why not let them try; they will listen to feedback
You're joking right? Ever since walking in stations was floated (4+ years ago or so), people who actually play they game questioned its purpose. Fast forward to 2011 are CCP are still unable to answer the question yet are still pushing ahead as if just to prove it wasn't vapourware.
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Samillian
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:48:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 01:20:32
ISSUE BROUGHT FORTH A FEW WEEKS AGO.
The CQ environment (still) runs worse than 3 times slower compared to the old hangar view.
Even people with NEWER graphics cards will "suffer" from video card overheating due to nearly three times the workload being required (compared to the old hangar view).
The first step seems to have been taken - we have the option to NOT load the CQ environment. What it does is keep displaying the "Loading" screen on the background without ever actually loading anything. This is a decent fallback for the people with less than stellar performance machines which would be overwhelmed by the extreme graphics of the CQ, but it's a very poor compromise for people that actually wanted to run the CQ environment every now and then.
BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY TEMPORARY !!! WTF ?!? BLOG linkage
A much better fallback however would be the option to maintain the current hangar view alongside the CQ environment. Sure, start off new players inside the CQ if you want, make the option to load the old hangar instead of CQ hard to accidentally find in the menu if you want, but allow the option to remain. It even makes far more RP sense - the boarding of a pod and subsequent exit from it is supposed to be a relatively slow process, and you're not supposed to look exactly tidy (all covered in pod goo and naked) the moment you get out of a pod, so getting out of it every time you dock makes very little sense. Keeping the current station environment alongside CQ should not be such a big deal (I mean, how hard it can be NOT to delete something), and it would go a long way towards appeasing some people that don't even know yet that they'll be annoyed by its absence (let's face it, not everybody knows what's coming, and you can fully expect a horde of angry people coming to the forums for the first time to complain).
But let's say that for some reason, you can't keep the old hangar environments, no matter what reason. The current compromise only allows us to select between CQ at same graphics detail as the rest of the game, or no CQ at all (just a blank screen with the neocom on it, from what I understand). The problem that should be obvious with that is the fact even the lowest detail level CQ has a noticeably worse framerate compared to the highest detail level current hangar or space environment. CQ and space need to have two completely separate sets of graphics options, and a much lower graphics detail option than the ones available now needs to be present. Ideally, you should be able to set it in such a way that inside CQ you can get roughly the same FPS as you can get while flying in space. Granted, some parts of CQ would look like crap under those conditions and at the current development level (heck, some parts look bad even on highest everything right now), but that's a different story.
So, to recap, if CCP insists, well, ok, keep the CQ environment as the default enabled option, but:
* MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently
* MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all
* STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ
* OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu
Hell, ideally entering CQ would be a station service button in the old hangar view !
This, CQ is not an improvement.
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N'Kal
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:48:00 -
[300]
Running a I7-950, 12Gb ram, and a 460 nvidia card.. And with graphics optimized for quality my computers lags as HELL. The client is so damn heavy in captains quarters mode that it locks up.
And why cant we choose between ship spinning mode and quarters? Quarters where fun for like 15s, and then i wanted back no use of it if i cant interact with other people, it just takes forever to dock and undock when mining.. :|
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Magic Crisp
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:52:00 -
[301]
The new turret models looks nice.
However, the best ever point of this patch, is the new static station background. It's eating a lot less CPU/GPU than it used to, and my laptop is a lot more quiet by this. Thanks for the new static station, it's so awesome, i've waited for this fix like 5 years. Thanks for fixing the station CPU usage, I do hope this announced-to-be temporary option will be permanent.
Otherwise, the leftover bugs of the previous patch weren't fixed, so please start fixing bugs.
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Ary
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:53:00 -
[302]
So far everything seems fine. Time to add more todo! Like the bed thing... maybe change the Channel on the Tube?
I know inflation is probably a killer in the future but dang.
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Xander Hunt
Minmatar Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:54:00 -
[303]
WTB static image of currently active ship when in station. I'll expense it via PLEX. Or a pair of boots. Which ever is more expensive.
- Ship doesn't need to spin - Ship doesn't need to move - Ship doesn't need to have flashy lights - Active ship needs to be displayed - New turrets don't need to be displayed.
Seriously.
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Leto'2
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:57:00 -
[304]
OFMG! This is really worst patch you ever made!
-Computer load (CPU/GPU) way too high.... -Walking in my Barbie Avatar.....lolz....children ego booster maybe but total crap. -Noble Market.....lulz if there are ppl dumb enough to pay more for virtual cloths than in real life they really deserv to pay that much -Maller is nice and agent finder also. -Static window if you disable station loading.....wooooahhhh of course way cooler than what we had before (just kidding) Put back the old style for those who do not like the Barbie style game of the new CQ. -And last..... do it quick as ppl won't have the patience to wait long as probably many already are leaving the game!
GL next time for maybe a patch where you listen more to the player base instead of pushing your plans on. Maybe you remember Star Wars Galaxies when the Combat Revamp came Sony lost almost 300k subscriebers due to this patch. Still they pushed on with it as they wanted to make it also a console game. Instead of winning new players they made a total loss from it and what i wonder most is that they still push on to it and keep going! Hope you are not that stupid and remake those mistakes!
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:00:00 -
[305]
Would it be possible to give everyone a free full recustomization?
When the avatars came out first, we didn't have the full environment with them walking around, and quite a few people didn't put in much effort into customizing the part of the body that is not seen in the portrait. It would be nice to have the option to fix this. :-)
Thank you!
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Licinius CrassusFilius
Space Construction and Research
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:02:00 -
[306]
4 year old computer with Radeon HD 3800, 4 Gb RAM, Windows 7 x64, dual core ATHLON 5600+
2x EVE clients running, one in CQ, one autopiloting. CQ loaded in <10seconds, not much slower than pre-Incarna.
To all the whiners, maybe its your system?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:03:00 -
[307]
"Minimize active windows" needs to be a toggle like "hide interface.
Screens in CQ needs to be able to be shut off and rearranged. Better yet, have a command console somewhere out of the way so it doesn't come off as the 'elephant in the room'.
Drag'n'Drop needs to be reinstated for changing ships.
'Static image' should be a fixed view of the Hangar platform that one can WALK (WTF is that ****, we are busy people dammit!) to with CQ on.
Zoom into 1st person when approaching the mirror, 3rd person view feels like voyeurism.
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s0me
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:06:00 -
[308]
- most useless patch ever - grafix from character editor dont match with CQ grafix - turrets are ugly pls roll back the patch ty
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Temerit
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:11:00 -
[309]
Edited by: Temerit on 22/06/2011 08:15:03 I usually like to give constructive criticism and offer solutions when I point out problems.
That being said, the fact that this patch made it through QA is evidence that doing such is not worth my time, just like releasing a quality product is apparently not worth yours.
I'll leave it at that.
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Fran Crick
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:12:00 -
[310]
LOL........i see what you've done there CCP, you missed a zero off the AUR for PLEX amount, obviously should be 35,000 AUR!
Hehe........had me going there for a mo, imagine paying more for a monocle than a faction BS!
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Max Cooper
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:19:00 -
[311]
No problems on my pc, everything maxed out on two clients. Quite happy with the performance. Patch downloaded at a decent speed (wow!) and completed without any hiccups.
Not entirely impressed with the walking in stations, or horrible character customisation BS, but each to their own.
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kala Alar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:20:00 -
[312]
hmm, in an interview a dev said they made CQ tiny, because "the pod-pilot feels uncomfortable if he is not in his pod".
So WHY are we pod-pilots forced to leave our pod everytime we dock ? As CCP said correctly, we don't like it !
Don't get me wrong. Walking on stations might be great stuff once its finished. But as a pod-pilot i dont wanna leave my pod everytime just to switch ships or pick up some ammo. Most of the time i just dock to get something adjusted quickly, which now takes me up to 10 times as long because everythings laggy. Double click to open ship-hangar doesnt work etc.
Pod-Pilots feel uncomfortable outside their pods, so why dont you give us back the old hangar view and an option like "Enter Station". That would fit much better in the Atmosphere of eve and the fact that we are pod-pilots!
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Aedeal
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:20:00 -
[313]
Don't broadcast the 'no skill training' thing when your account has a skill in training, but not the character. It's a) wrong b) annoying and c) confusing to those precious newbies
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Freya Chang
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:23:00 -
[314]
The update is very pretty. Thank you and well done!
But, Jeez, that gray skirt costs almost as much as my Rattlesnake in real terms. So, I'm sorry, I shall not shopping at the Noble Exchange anytime soon. And I'll tell you now: the day I need to have Aurum in my pocket -- provided I can afford pockets, that is -- in order to play the game is the day I quit the game.
Vanity does indeed have it's price but that price is unrealistic. It's sad because an awful lot of effort has gone into elements of the game that I just won't take part in. Oh well, I'm sure you'll correct it. I hope you do.
But, again, well done on another milestone release and sorry about the niggles. It's looking awesome.
Best, FC
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Azuse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:23:00 -
[315]
Sadly the gm response I got when I questioned this was "You can still ship spin in the fitting window".
Docking. The old models are still there and in use. There should be two options.
1. Disable station environment.
2. Select station environment, incarna or incursion.
Instead you're forcing us to either leave our afk systems eatign up an extra 80 watts with some added fan noise (fun on a desktop - try battery life on laptop) too boot or stare at some repulsive brown wallpaper where our ship used to be. It would seem to me that someone got caught up on how cool this would be - much like the transparent hud - rather than the practical implications of power use, fan noise and removal of low power 3d model. I'm sure ccp enjoys staring at a brown wallpaper instead of a bonucy ship as much as we do. Why was it taken away? "Because", why? "Just because...". It's not like there's been complaints you've ignored for a while http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1516746 .
Also, you either need to re-evaluate your store pricing or put out a very detailed economic dev blog explaining you overpriced store items to prevent them hitting plexes too hard. ú40 for a pair of virtual trousers when I get grab a pair of jeans in town for less. 20 bucks for a virtual tee or 7 for a real one.
On the positive side. You listed to complaints in the past feedback thread and completely removed transparency from the hud (you seriously have no idea how happy this makes people ) so there is hope. Why however, you ask for beta feedback only to ignore it until after it's released is another question. -------------------------
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Hikari Kasenumi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:26:00 -
[316]
Well, turrets are pretty.
The CQ interface OTOH is pretty awful: * The camera zoom from left to right is weird. Pick one and stick with it. * The click and drag to rotate the camera is clunky. * The way my character model stands on the sofa when I try to sit down from behind it is very '90s. * For some reason my character's face is hideously ugly in CQ, but not in the editor. * My character has the slowest walk imaginable. * The mirror flickers weirdly when I rotate the view. * It takes 20 seconds to load, by which time I'll have the fitting window, cargo hold and ships / items open just fine without it. * I did try sitting on the sofa, with my view set so that I could just see what I wanted (i.e. ship and agent finder, instead of corpses floating across my massive plasma TV), and was planning to just stay sitting there forever, but for some reason my position isn't preserved when I log out / in.
As for clothes costing more than ships? Umm, no.
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Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:28:00 -
[317]
Amazing expansion. Can't wait to see what's behind the door.
Personally I think it is great that clothing is as expensive as it is. A persons appearance should reflect their power and influence in EVE. This is what NeX offers. If things were cheaper no-one would care what you wore.
The only criticism I can make is that CCP should have included some cheaper items in addition to the crazy expensive ones. This at least would have reduced the tears, and given newer players (and others that aren't quite as flush with funds) the ability to try out the feature as well.
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Mathilde Sunniva
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:29:00 -
[318]
really a shirt is more expensive than a t3 ship?
should I concider that irl skirts should cost as much as... a jaguar car ?
I have been waiting for this extension for as long as i have played Eve, the possibility of "human" interaction in the game and the vanity that goes with it, I even thought that the fact that those items beeing sold on a separated market would not be such a burden.... How wrong I was!
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ninjutzu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:30:00 -
[319]
CCP You are great, everything is awsome, and the vanity item prices are good: when my CEO comes all dressed in vanity items - everyone knows: he is a BOSS Yet few things worth considering: cpu/memory requirements are very different with the same graphics setting when You are in space and when You are in station. And one can tune up all the settings while in space and enjoy the awsome looks of space and gameplay but then have some real troubles with his pc when docked. So that needs leveling up. And one more thing: turrets are awsome
keep on the good work
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Schedar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:31:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 01:20:32
stuff
Hell, ideally entering CQ would be a station service button in the old hangar view !
Indeed.
Besides, I guess the connection between 1.2bil destroyable monocles and stalking prevention - i.e. removing standings info - is more apparent now.
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Adramelech Sifaus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:33:00 -
[321]
I think you are a bunch of child that dont understand what is progress and video games.
They just want to add some 'flavor' to the game. This is just the beginning. They will open bars or other type public areas to the game. They have many plans to evolve this. You are just flaming the roots.
Grown up. They didn't chance anything you use, but they give you option to walk. It is an update, even if you didn't like, you shouldn't flame. CCP could sell those exps with a full game price. But they didn't. For gods' sake, they don't even have any obligation to do exps. They want to give options and new shiny things. Personaly i'll not buy aurum or other stuff, maybe a male boat would be good. And i'll not use CQ. But this is a option. You can close CQ. You can force yourself to not clicking noble exchange.
If this is most useless update, you are the most stupid gamers i ever seen.
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Sgt Shultz
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:33:00 -
[322]
Overall this expansion is meh.
Clothing is expensive so I won't be buying it.
Turrets look nice.
Walking in stations was fun for 5 min on the sisi client ... now old.
Anyway to get the main screen in the CQ to show and do something that is useful?
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:33:00 -
[323]
Excepting the turret models, and new maller hull (Can we haz maor plx kk - not in the stupid store either before you get that idea Zinfandel), this is the least spaceships expansion to date.
And I am sure a lot of us, play for the spaceships... ================
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Archibald Creed
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:37:00 -
[324]
Dear CCP,
First of all - no worst work ever! ;)
Second: Referring to Dust 514, the way u aim @ is quite cool. I mean, the idea of mixing FPS and EVE still is a really cool idea. Really, i mean, i can¦t remember how often was playing EVE, dreaming about station walking, etc...
- Avatar on station needs to walk faster... not running around, but that velo is pain in the A** - Boarding should be changed into boarding a near by capsule
But all that should never be realized on the expense of perfomance. NERVER EVER! Please keep that in mind!!!!
Aurum prices... yeah, what to say.... Understanding why.... But still sucks. I hope, that Aurum will be earnable by Missions oder be exchanged for LP. But i bet it won¦t. Interesting to see how market will change overall...
Ah, and THX A LOT for turret annimations! Love em!!!
Can`t wait to explore the rest!
Guess there¦ll be a lot bug- and performance fixing next weeks. Hope it¦ll be done soon!
A lot of ideas are spinning around in my head. EVE revealed a huge potential with this one, if u make it right.... and even when adapting, fixing, adding more small features, meeting other ppl, etc.. nerver forget the PERFORMANCE!!!
PERFORMANCE
PERFORMANCE
PERFORMANCE
PERFORMANCE
for the notes: 27" 3.6 Dual core, 8 GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 5750 Mac, 10.6.7...
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Judaus Clive
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:41:00 -
[325]
Edited by: Judaus Clive on 22/06/2011 08:46:23 When a patch comes out and I see the whole of the EVE community getting their eggs in a twist about the changes, I usually see it as a good thing. Your game is outstanding, and no body wants you to fix something that isn't broken. That isn't the case this time. I first saw that ambulation teaser on youtube way back in 2008 and after this long of a wait, naturally I was expecting a small amount of disappointment. I did not expect to be completely dumbfounded and offended. Let me try and get on point with this. I would gripe about all the same things as every one else, but here is my big peeve. I will gladly pay an outrageous amount of AUR for a far out gilded Jacket (By outrageous I mean 7000 max) that I can use as a status symbol, so long as I had other cheap/bland customisations to keep me busy in the mean time. the few options you offer now will never cut it and the prices of added content are to laughable to even go on about. there is no middle ground for the many players who don't have an alliance wallet to embezzle from. I have spent the past two weeks trying to get three of my friends to reactivate their accounts. Now I wouldn't want waste their time. To shorten this up, you guys really blew it this time, and over the next few weeks you had better shine, because.. [hardest facepalm ever] ..this whole patch just flat out sucks and I really kind of want to punch the two or three people I've seen not freak out about this. Anyway I'm done, the rest of you posters.. continue this sweet as$ed inferno
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Ilah Gruhbarn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:44:00 -
[326]
Edited by: Ilah Gruhbarn on 22/06/2011 08:45:55 after few hours of dual boxing my laptop shut it self down due to exes heat as safety measure and i have triple cooler pad.
my system is i7 4 gig of ddr3 ram 1 gig gpu.
so i cant even dual box without droping settings to lower values let alone triple,i will not change my lap for this game alone other games run fine so i will put my alts under ice until i
A upgrade my machine.
B someone fix this mess.
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Kai Jyokoroi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:45:00 -
[327]
I know I'm a goon and thus not worth listening to, but the character walks so slowly and everything is so spread out from a UI perspective that CQ is an active god-damn hindrance to getting things done. I've never really posted to complain about anything before - not nano nerfs, nos nerfs, whatever, all those things way back in the day - but the UX is now so annoying that I managed to last about 5 minutes before turning it off.
And to top it all off, I don't even get to see a static view of my ship when I'm docked any more without having to mess around with cameras. The fact it's floating seems dumb now too - when it was JUST there there was a suspension of disbelief, but now it seems stupid without docking clamps or whatever.
Please, please, please make CQ optional and give us a "station view" option like there was before.
The Maller looks nice I guess though. Maybe you can do a patch where you make all the old, ugly ships look nice (DOMINIX) ----------------------
GIEF MISSL |
Tovi Thibault
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:45:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Jess Ica Add an option to turn to old station view pls as this sucks without it.
*sign* Also I'd like a setting to not show the Aurum in my wallet - don't want it, don't need it.
The rest is fine though. (I'll have to adjust to the new icons for turrets.)
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Adrastos Palisade
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:47:00 -
[329]
There is a very simple solution to all the people upset about incarna.
First of all I recognize that incarna 1.0 is step one in a much grander scheme, I'm excited for these things to get going though right now the draw on my system is a bit too much.
What needs to be done, however, to maintain the whole previous player base and potentially increase the player base is simply to allow me to chose whether I use the old station environment or the new one.
That's it, that is all we need. We all just want to be able to use our stations efficiently OR choose to explore the new content.
Thanks, Adrastos Palisade
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Iggy Stooge
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:48:00 -
[330]
Make CQ Optional.
The essential basis of a Sandbox is choice. Give us the choice, and leave us to make what we will of Eve.
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Freya Chang
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:49:00 -
[331]
The whole "wait 20 secs while you board" thing that happens when I attempt to change ships has got to go. It's a lie, because my barbie was standing on the balcony all the time.
Perhaps a better idea might be a 20-30 second animated carousel as one ship leaves the FOV and the next comes into the boarding area.
Best, FC
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123 Fritz
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:53:00 -
[332]
After First Hour ingame: (+) Turrets look awsome Beautiful and useless Stationbureao - deactivated to save time
(-) I want back our english spooken "Warp Drive Active" on german Clients. - What about an option like "Audio-Language" The new Turret-Icons on HUD are ugly - why change an intuitive icon like the tractorbeam-magnet into something like twisted poo-poo (sorry that was my first impression)
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Nikki Sanderson
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:53:00 -
[333]
Edited by: Nikki Sanderson on 22/06/2011 08:55:02 Pretty much everything about Incarna has been said multiple times already and not just in this thread. I've looked at it and stumbled around for maybe 5 minutes, and then you're like "that's it"? This is just not worth burning out your GPU over, way hotter GPU means shorter lifetime for my hardware, no thanks, especially since GPU temp doesn't go down when you minimize the client and/or strip away detail levels.
All sense of scale for your ships is gone. It's a horrible, terrible idea to place frigates nearer to the balcony to make them as big as battleships. Terrible, horrible, immersion-breaking, steaming pile of bad. Remove that "zoom" ASAP. The balcony view gives you a real chance to show off the scale of battleship vs. shuttle and CCP just ignores the possibilities.
AUR prices are ridiculous.
Turrets are nice, we will get used to the new icons, no biggie.
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kala Alar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:57:00 -
[334]
lol .. just looked at the AUR prices. are you serious ?
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"hey dude, wanna go on some missions?" "no i cant, my tengu was suicide ganked yesterday" "well, just buy a new one ?!" "i cant" "why ?" "bought a jacket" "oh rly ? this must be one AWESOME jacket! nice choice!"
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Sangard
Firebrands
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:58:00 -
[335]
Hello CCP,
the only thing that really shocked me was your pricing for new clothes.
Did you copy a facebook app like farmvile? I'll never pay 50+ Ç for a virtual clothing as long as my brain works. But the bad thing is, there are enough nerds who will and you get your money CCP. It's ok, you are a company that wanna earn as much as possible. But look at the long term goal and you'll loose many customers and your good reputation.
Check eve onlines rating at mmorpg.com or other sites like that in a couple of weeks ...
Again! I can't believe those insane REAL MONEY prices for alternative clothes. You acting like all the scammers and criminals in eve. When something new comes out, evereybody of them wanna make as much money as they can just by overpricing the new stuff! And now you do the same. Thats just sad.
But you know what happens to those people? They get blocked and nobody thrusts them anymore!
regards, Sangard ____________________________________________
BIG BOYS 62 - Capital Store and more
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Kaeda Maxwell
Witchsmellers Pursuivant
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:58:00 -
[336]
mi+cro [mahy-kroh] adjective, noun, plural -cros. ûadjective 1. extremely small. 2. minute in scope or capability. 3. of or pertaining to microcomputers. EXPAND ûnoun 5. anything extremely small in scope or capability. 6. a microcomputer. 7. microeconomics.
Origin: independent use of micro-, or shortening of words with this initial element
micro-
a combining form with the meanings ôsmallö (microcosm; microgamete), ôvery small in comparison with others of its kindö (microcassette; microlith), ôtoo small to be seen by the unaided eyeö (microfossil; microorganism), ôdealing with extremely minute organisms, organic structures, or quantities of a substanceö (microdissection; microscope), ôlocalized, restricted in scope or areaö (microburst; microhabitat), ô(of a discipline) focusing on a restricted areaö (microeconomics), ôcontaining or dealing with texts that require enlargement to be readö (microfilm; microreader), ôone millionthö (microgram). Also, especially before a vowel, micr-.
Origin: < Greek: combining form representing mīkr=s small
ùCan be confused: macro-, micro-.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:59:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 01:20:32
ISSUE BROUGHT FORTH A FEW WEEKS AGO.
The CQ environment (still) runs worse than 3 times slower compared to the old hangar view.
Even people with NEWER graphics cards will "suffer" from video card overheating due to nearly three times the workload being required (compared to the old hangar view).
The first step seems to have been taken - we have the option to NOT load the CQ environment. What it does is keep displaying the "Loading" screen on the background without ever actually loading anything. This is a decent fallback for the people with less than stellar performance machines which would be overwhelmed by the extreme graphics of the CQ, but it's a very poor compromise for people that actually wanted to run the CQ environment every now and then.
BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY TEMPORARY !!! WTF ?!? BLOG linkage
A much better fallback however would be the option to maintain the current hangar view alongside the CQ environment. Sure, start off new players inside the CQ if you want, make the option to load the old hangar instead of CQ hard to accidentally find in the menu if you want, but allow the option to remain. It even makes far more RP sense - the boarding of a pod and subsequent exit from it is supposed to be a relatively slow process, and you're not supposed to look exactly tidy (all covered in pod goo and naked) the moment you get out of a pod, so getting out of it every time you dock makes very little sense. Keeping the current station environment alongside CQ should not be such a big deal (I mean, how hard it can be NOT to delete something), and it would go a long way towards appeasing some people that don't even know yet that they'll be annoyed by its absence (let's face it, not everybody knows what's coming, and you can fully expect a horde of angry people coming to the forums for the first time to complain).
But let's say that for some reason, you can't keep the old hangar environments, no matter what reason. The current compromise only allows us to select between CQ at same graphics detail as the rest of the game, or no CQ at all (just a blank screen with the neocom on it, from what I understand). The problem that should be obvious with that is the fact even the lowest detail level CQ has a noticeably worse framerate compared to the highest detail level current hangar or space environment. CQ and space need to have two completely separate sets of graphics options, and a much lower graphics detail option than the ones available now needs to be present. Ideally, you should be able to set it in such a way that inside CQ you can get roughly the same FPS as you can get while flying in space. Granted, some parts of CQ would look like crap under those conditions and at the current development level (heck, some parts look bad even on highest everything right now), but that's a different story.
So, to recap, if CCP insists, well, ok, keep the CQ environment as the default enabled option, but:
* MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently
* MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all
* STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ
* OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu
Hell, ideally entering CQ would be a station service button in the old hangar view !
This. CQ is nice but it fries my 2 year old machine. I can't afford a new rig. If we are forced to eat CQ, make it possible to run it without frying my machine. Space runs fine with all settings maxed out. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Salacious Dube
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:59:00 -
[338]
update has screwed my game.......cant apply patches or fix, dont know where full client is to download, just no help and the most difficult experience with a game i have ever had.......except for when i had a PC
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Sofia Kyodai
Caldari Black Aces Mining Div AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:59:00 -
[339]
well if i wanted to walk around i would not play a spaceship game
and 4x plex for a gold looking glass is crazy if you had plex for remap or plex for sp then there would be no plex in the market and then ccp would make lots of $$$$
please fix old problems before any new stuff like handbags or high heels
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:02:00 -
[340]
Feedback: The station environment is worthless fluff, and it stresses our computers without adding anything worthwhile. The time and resources spent on the Captain's Quarters were wasted and should have been spent on making the game of Eve better. --- "The data does not support that polished quality sells better than new features." -Nathan Richardsson, Senior Producer at CCP |
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Syrte
Gallente Lyonesse. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:05:00 -
[341]
Seems most of you are more lucky then I am. After installing this patch on my pc (which ran 4 characters simultaneously 3 days ago) the only thing I get is a classic BSOD.
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Jherdan Berral
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 -
[342]
I like the idea of the CQ, I don't mind the nex shop. Overall I'm pleased with the changes, but there are two big issues for me, and they have been mentioned and gone over time and time again but I want to add my voice to it.
1. The hangar is where I spend a lot of idle time. I haven't looked at a hardware monitor yet, but when I'm in my CQ my fans spin up like crazy. I don't want that running in the background, it can't be good for my hardware. PLEASE let us keep the option not to render the station for when we're idling around. It's insane that you would even consider taking it out.
2. Nex prices. I laughed out loud when I saw those. I thought the station marketplace in EQ2 was bad charging ten bucks for an entire outfit for one character, but this... this just... I can't even form the words. I'm the type that might actually buy something there from time to time, but never... not in a million years... with those prices.
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Pinkfluff
Lone Wolf Supply Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 -
[343]
I do like the ability to have an actual character instead of just a portrait now, but it is not quite the same as in the character creator, and character movement seems a bit clunky. Honestly it is easier to control my Guild Wars character. Yes the graphics are much better here, but that is all the more reason to expect the behavior to be too.
I must say that it seems the devs went insane with this new currency and vanity item store too. I saw only a few items, and all of them were outrageously priced. Like others have said, real clothes are cheaper than these. The way the real world economy has been lately only the rich will be able to afford these things, and many of them probably wouldn't want to spend so much on something they'll only see a small part of the time anyway.
Originally by: kala Alar Pod-Pilots feel uncomfortable outside their pods, so why dont you give us back the old hangar view and an option like "Enter Station". That would fit much better in the Atmosphere of eve and the fact that we are pod-pilots!
This is actually a good idea, since often a pilot may not want to go to all the effort of getting out and back into the pod just to rearm or repair. The current system does increase loading time, and my PC is not even a year old. It is not so much that I really mind it, but that may change after many docks. CEO Lone Wolf Supply Co. |
Mey Xing
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 -
[344]
Very nice, but I expected abit more to be honest, for one... it seems your CQ looks the same doesnt matter wich station you are in. I wouldve expected that each station type (gallente, caldari, ammar etc) would have their own unique look of the CQ.
Also, abit dissapointed at the limited amount of items for sale through Noble Exchange. I hope more items will be available soon.
PS! The turrets look awsome
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Marius Jacobs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:14:00 -
[345]
Wow guys...this is awesome. I haven't undocked even...just been walking checking things out. But so far this is awesome. I can't customize my character though...EVE keeps crashing...but im sure you guys are working on it.
This is amazing! Luv it!!!! Thanks a Billion!!
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Mike Whiite
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:14:00 -
[346]
Edited by: Mike Whiite on 22/06/2011 09:15:26 Got a fast look last night.
I like it, very strange I don't seem to suffer from a fried computer. loading time is a little more, but that's all, can't wait when the door to the station opens.
only down in my opinion is the prices in store.
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Ravior Letam
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:17:00 -
[347]
Edited by: Ravior Letam on 22/06/2011 09:22:46 I kinda like it. It doesnt really adds new stuff besides the grafical updates and the Agent finder, but I like it, as I expect to be able to share my captain's quarters with my friends in a while. I hope that Chars actually look at each other and are able to interact with each other as well. I would love that :)
Feature request: I think the player should be able to move the camera just like in space around its Character (both mouse buttons pressed), since I would like to look at me and others without having my char in the way. And yes, the camera displacement from the char is no replacement for that.
Feature: Being able to run. Of course, when you're not connected to a computer with your brain, you actually need to go somewhere to push the buttons you want to be pushed. But real people go faster sometimes, if they dont want to spend to much time just to get something to eat f.e.
Feature: Laying on bed. I would like to do that before I log out and see my character wwaking up wafter logging in. Wouldn't that be cool? Also, my Character should move more when Idle. For example, when sitting on the Couch, the Character could lay down on it after a while, or just make himself more comfortable.
So far, ok overall. But I want my Gallente Captains Quarter :) And I wait for interaction with others, since this is the real goal of Incarna: Love :)
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Demy Slade
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:17:00 -
[348]
While i apreciate the funny animated immerson in the CQ. I do not apreciate to by now have crashed 5 times WITH BLUESCREEN. just for opening the f***ed up char edior. So aurum prices couldn't interesst me less i'd rather would apreciate that you fix the graphic load cause not everyone is willing to upgrade a rig to high end specs to play a game he P A Y S for.
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4linn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 -
[349]
My Items and ships needed a long time to load after using a jump clone and my clothe options are back to standart too but it looks great, the agent finder is very usefull, the new aura trashtalk welcome pages are nice and helpful, the new turret animation looking great.
I like it 1+
Im waiting for lunchers :)
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FellRaven
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Hoshi Please return the ability to switch ships by dragging them from the hangar to the main view.
1. This!!!!! 2. Return old hanger view as an option. 3. If you are going to us CQ remember were you last were.
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lealenia Aivoras
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:23:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Skyreth blah blah
I have an idea...stop being a bunch of f&%king children and grow up. Now I know this update has screwed with a lot of peoples EVE playing, but its not the 90s anymore, its freaking 2011. No matter what CCP does, you lot will nag and complain anyways. I run 2 games at the same time with both in station (yes, on one computer). All I'm running is an AMD Athlon 6000+ dual core 3.0ghz CPU, 4GB RAM (Using a 64bit OS), 1.5TB HDD space and an Nvidia GTX 9800+ (1GB) graphics card...with a 256kbs internet connection. No problems, blown a few ships up today and lost just as many, hasn't impacted my pewpew in any way.
I enjoy walking around in the station, a change from station spinning. And sitting down playing the market, getting names of bounties, keeping up to date with sov changes and getting names of new pilots to recruit has made waiting for my GCC to cool down a LOT more enjoyable. Only problem I see is the massive expense behind the clothing items.
For all those complaining, grow up, get with the times and get a damn life.
CCP, step in the right direction. Thank for you the FREE expansion and for bring EVE that step closer to being a full scifi reality for us to enjoy (and thanks for all the hard work too).
blah blah .
Sounds like my sister
There is a game called sims for girls. You may enjoy it more if you like walkin around , clothing stuff.
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LJB
Dissonance Corp BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:28:00 -
[352]
TBH
My Evaluation is this has been a total waste of time and developer resources, if I wanted to play walking in broom cupboards I would have chosen another mmo, not sure what I was expecting but this has been over hyped and under developed, turrent animations have been only thing of real consequence, the actual icons on your HUD looks like something out of a comic book that's been scribbled.
Will I use walking in broom cupboard in it's current form ? Nope, not when cot and alliance shops are developed then maybe just maybe, but this expansion has been the inti climax of my eve history of 4 years.
LJB
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:29:00 -
[353]
This expansion is a colossal disappointment, and I'm very sad that you've spent so long working on something that so dramatically detracts from my core gameplay of Spaceships and PVP. What's worse is that it seems to have been released in this state solely so that you have an excuse to gouge every last dime you can out of your player base. I'm sorry, CCP. I ...... just can't do this. I've cancelled 2 subscriptions and transported most of my goods out of my WH in preparation for closing down the remaining accounts should the quality of my gameplay significantly drop.
Please start caring about in space gameplay and content again.... because you very obviously don't anymore. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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doobey
Minmatar The Ankou Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:30:00 -
[354]
love it. comp runs it just fine in windowed mode. If i had a complaint, it would be the loaded ship in the hanger. Would like the ability to have better camera angles to look at it properly, or am i missing something?
overall, great job.
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Joe450
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 -
[355]
I like the update, few probs i have had i don't really think worth saying but i would like it IF you had choice to get out your ship.. takes ages if you just stopping by station to pick something up and leaving
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Dervol
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 -
[356]
I'm really happy that CCP has finally changed to gradually rollout add-ons with incursion and continue on this path for incarna. So, I'm quite happy with the first step. The CQ has a great potential (that will hopefully be used) and makes docking, when you're not in a hurry, very restful and nice, especially the main screen. So, I'm really looking forward seeing the stations grow piece by piece :) Great job there!
But, I must approve many of my pre-posters that in a combat situation or just for moving from one mission to another, the new docking mechanism is too slow... a capsuleer should decide when to leave his pod, as he is basically disgusted by the outer world anyways, setting foot on it as rare as possible.
I really appreciate the new turret animations, even though we Minmatar surely didn't get the coolest ones, but it's okay as we have the most patched ships anyways :D Still, I must admit that the new weapon icons are too unclear.
In terms of performance, I'm really surprised about all the comments as there hasn't been any changes for me at all. On the contrary, the fluidity of the game has improved, client starts faster, logging into station as well, even on two simultaneous clients. I'm running a Intel Core Duo Quad with 2.7 GHz each, 4GB RAM and GeForce gtx 275 512MB that hasn't exceeded 57¦C with both clients running on max graphics.
The only thing I really can't live with is the NeX with its ridiculous prices for mostly worthless things... I'm only interested in one piece, the ocular implant (I don't know whether its available outside of Minmatar stations), but I'm surely not going to spend 60 Euros or 4 months of subscription for it!
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:34:00 -
[357]
Originally by: lealenia Aivoras
Sounds like my sister
There is a game called sims for girls. You may enjoy it more if you like walkin around , clothing stuff.
I said it gives me something to do other than station spin while waiting for GCC, I dont bother with the clothing crap (whats the point). The fact that you can sit on the couch ingame and do the stuff I noted while waiting is good. The news feed is a handy thing to watch while you're playing the market due to the information it gives you about bounties, new pilots, market details, incursions and sov changes. I don't think I mentioned anything else other than the Aur prices being a joke.
I know your ability to comprehend is lacking (as is evident by your post), but if you can't grasp the basic concepts of a post...please refrain from posting.
That all being said, if your sister puts up with you on a daily basis, I have a lot of respect for her ---------------------------------
You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn! |
Slappy McPewpew
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:34:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Liang Nuren This expansion is a colossal disappointment, and I'm very sad that you've spent so long working on something that so dramatically detracts from my core gameplay of Spaceships and PVP. What's worse is that it seems to have been released in this state solely so that you have an excuse to gouge every last dime you can out of your player base. I'm sorry, CCP. I ...... just can't do this. I've cancelled 2 subscriptions and transported most of my goods out of my WH in preparation for closing down the remaining accounts should the quality of my gameplay significantly drop.
Please start caring about in space gameplay and content again.... because you very obviously don't anymore.
Bye and if your going to MOAN that much enjoy WoW
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Lovebot
N00BS R US Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:35:00 -
[359]
There is Bug with the Noble Exchange Market.
After you buy some stuff, there is no field to enter the delivery adress :( At those Prices, this items must be RL Items, right? So, i await them to be delivered to my house.
Please fix the order form, so General Parcel can deliver if i order some Glass eye or skirt, thx :)
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Joahna Gramer
Gallente Advanced Laser Technologies Confederate Economic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 -
[360]
Honest answer:
I'm playing since 2006 and this is one of the worst patches until now. The Captains Quarter may look nice on the first look but add no real content or functionality, instead they are a massive waste of ressources. I'm pretty thankful that you added the button to turn it off. To show the difference: pre-patch i was able to run 2 clients with pretty much high settings. After the patch i had to turn down everything to low-medium just to have 2 characters docked. In space everything runs smooth, maybe even smoother than pre patch. The problem is only you have to turn everything down to be able to make use of the game while dock whereas the game in space runs perfectly fine and you have to play with crappy graphics just for the sake of the captains quarters. My conclusion: Turn CQ of as it doesn't add anything of need, get a massive performance gain while in space and don't bother anymore with it. Tho it would be nice to add the old animation for people who don't mind CQ or want to play with more than one Client.
PS: I find it kind of amusing that in a spacegame the limiting factor to play it is a single room.
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Aldrad
Caldari Eve Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 -
[361]
If the "load station environment" option remains optional, then me and my alts will have no problem.
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Pierre Blanchard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 -
[362]
Although I do agree with what a lot of people are saying concerning performance and graphic/lighting quality, I think it's a step forward, no matter how small. An idea I had regarding people wanting their old station environment back...why not load the old environment when you dock up and be given the option to exit the ship/pod and go to your CQ, simply making it an option.
PS If I can sit on the couch, then why can't I lie down on my bed? ------- Pierre Blanchard of Little Garden |
justin666
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:39:00 -
[363]
well im not surprised about the ammount of hate in this thread and i belive it speaks for most eve players and so it should
im a regular test server user and nearly all of the bugs i have seen on there have made it onto tq when we have bug reported them which just proves my point to not even bother because they just accuse you of being a idiot, EVERY single person on sisi asked ccp to make a feature were you can turn it off properly and have the old station hanger back but we didnt get that because its another proven point ccp dont give a s++t about you and just want your money
also they promised to csm that the hanger new hanger environment will not delay docking changing ship and undocking well guess what it clearly does so thats promise broken i really can go on for ever there just soo many bugs in the current tq build now so bug hunters take a massive holiday ccp dont listen to you
i hope you loose alot of money ccp because you so deserve it terrible company >>>> (CCP) better company >> (apple)
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Kenji Kikuta
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:39:00 -
[364]
Hi,
CQ, guns animation and etc is all cool, but...
I wouldnt mind a small picture in the upper left screen showing what ship is active while station environment is not loaded? The picture from ship info would suffice.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:39:00 -
[365]
Apparently all caps h2 and colours and crap are the only way to get attention so I must follow suit
I REALLY ENJOY HAVING RANDOM SKILLS NOT APPLIED TO MY SPACESHIP VESSEL WHICH I FLY IN THE MINI-GAME KNOWN AS SPACE. IT MAKES FOR A MORE HARDCORE EXPERIENCE. THIS IS EVEN MORE FUN SINCE YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SHIPS AT RANDOM WHILE PEOPLE THAT PAY $80 FOR A MONOCLE ARE INSURED AGAINST LOSS. ~~~
(ಠ_ృ)
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Kossaw
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:41:00 -
[366]
Hmm, So this is Incarna
I'm over it already
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:45:00 -
[367]
What a waste of time
Seriously, CQ is just pointless. There is nothing useful about CQ and it took you three years to make it happen? It could well be that CCP might find something useful to do with it but I have to wonder how many current players will still be around for that.
Bugfixes are cool. Noone can disprove of that. Increased CPU wear and tear just for a useless feature. Lot of dissapproval going on.
There was a time expansion's used to add things to the game. Cool things like wormholes, PI, even incursions (annoying though I personally find them)
This "expansion" we got to listen to fans whirring away for no good reason and a LAUGHABLE vanity store.
GG ccp, gg.....
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silver20
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 -
[368]
Incarna=Fail
Honestly CCP u'r destroying the game!!!
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Dr Haxxx
Sensus Numinis Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 -
[369]
Originally by: Pierre Blanchard An idea I had regarding people wanting their old station environment back...why not load the old environment when you dock up and be given the option to exit the ship/pod and go to your CQ, simply making it an option.
This is actually what I'd suggest as well, CQ is just useless, it's an internet Spaceshipgame and no "Hello Kitty walking around Stuff".. If you want to see your ship you might but there would be no need to do so...
In my opinion the whole CQ is just wasted time. You should have used it to fix all the other Bugs/Problems..
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Kalpel
Caldari United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:51:00 -
[370]
Originally by: silver20 Incarna=Fail
Honestly CCP u'r destroying the game!!!
Agreed, Failcarna is fail!
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Charlie Aires
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:52:00 -
[371]
Edited by: Charlie Aires on 22/06/2011 09:52:57 Thanks for killing FPS, CCP Prior patch i was able to play it with 55-65FPS. Now I'm down to 35, while walking down to 25 to 13FPS
Back to one Monitor
Yes, it's nice to walk around a bit, and it looks nice, but only the first 10min and now its already boring. I can't see any improvement for the gameplay.
And the NEX is pure highway robbery! It's a bloody, lame try to destroy PLEX in the hope to get more RL money!
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Don Aubaris
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:52:00 -
[372]
Good thing : the agent finder
Bad thing : apparantly the guy that redesigned the turrets doesn't actually play the game. Instead of clear icons for my tractorbeam, salvager I have now 2 rather dark things and I'm having to guess what is what. Now that will probably get better after a while, but it will never be user-friendly. Visually jumping in the inventory to my mining-lasers seems also a thing of the past. More grey, dull stuff.Also having 2 turrets actives on a ship gives terribly bad low-res graphs.
Captain Quarters is already turned off. The old stuff was good enough.
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Ishabell Solario
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:53:00 -
[373]
Captains Quarters is pretty but is only held my attention for about 5 minutes enough time to walk about & go ômehö reminds me of the Playstation flat thing & seems to add little to my game experience an option to switch back to hangar/ship view would be nice as the static view is a bit dull, though it does mean docking is quicker.
New turrets & effects are nice though. Not bad CCP not bad....
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PMolkenthin
Dark Chapter
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:56:00 -
[374]
lol looks like most people think this patch is a waste of time and effort :D
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Masta Splinta
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:11:00 -
[375]
Thanks for the effort CCP, the Incarna patch was a nightmare to deploy on my side. After many server issues whiel trying to download Incarna, and several attempts to download the installer, I am finally up and running a few hours after I started to try and get EVE to work.
While Incarna all looks very good, I have to side with other players here. Is the end result worth the compromise in performance to the game itself? All that extra CPU load on your servers for a few visual changes on the client doesn't seem like the smartest decision considering the CPU performance problems in the past.
As yet, I have not had opportunity to test the gaming aspects of Incarna, but from the comments above it is clear that players are not happy. I will however, reserve my complaints until such time as I have ahd opportunity to test gameplay for myself.
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mo kaik
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:12:00 -
[376]
captains quarters= HEAP OF S**T!
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Munku Mekar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:15:00 -
[377]
First Post.
This is not an expansion. This is akin to Microsoft putting out a new version of Visual Studio with the only addition being a new class for the CLR that does absolutely nothing, or Blizzard putting out an expansion that has ... a room with 5 objects you can interact with.
A room. A simple, small, room that has absolutely no use except to watch a ticker-tape go across a virtual screen--only if you want to slowly (SLOWLY) walk into your "office". A room you can't even invite a friend or two in.
What is this? It's a start to something, yes, but it's a tiny--a TINY--piece of a gigantic puzzle that should have been held back until more content is available.
Don't get me wrong, I love the new turrets and animations, but let us be honest: could you, CCP, have done better? Definitely.
I can't say I'm surprised though, especially when hearing about DUST and how it is a console-only game, that this would come about. I think, CCP, it's time to lay back on some of your toys and start to focus on the game that made you the money to make other games.
Just a thought.
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Goremageddon Box
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:15:00 -
[378]
Originally by: PMolkenthin lol looks like most people think this patch is a waste of time and effort :D
+1 _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:16:00 -
[379]
Originally by: Don Aubaris Good thing : the agent finder
Bad thing : apparantly the guy that redesigned the turrets doesn't actually play the game. Instead of clear icons for my tractorbeam, salvager I have now 2 rather dark things and I'm having to guess what is what. Now that will probably get better after a while, but it will never be user-friendly. Visually jumping in the inventory to my mining-lasers seems also a thing of the past. More grey, dull stuff.Also having 2 turrets actives on a ship gives terribly bad low-res graphs.
Captain Quarters is already turned off. The old stuff was good enough.
I think that was CCP Punkturis (or something like that, she was interviewed during the AT as part of team BFF), who is a she. She's also an ex-Icelandic Badminton champion. The icons make me think she should perhaps spend less time playing with shuttlec÷cks and more time playing EVE.
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LordElfa
Gallente Golden Lyon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:19:00 -
[380]
I for one actually understand Incarna's importance and that the CQ was a needed step in that direction.
That said, I also understand that the CQ part of Incarna did not have to be forced on the playerbase. You could have easily implemented an "unpod if you want" option and made a lot of your fanbase happy.
That was your first mistake with Incarna and sadly one we knew was coming, like that ass in Austin Powers who stands there waiting to be ran over by a steam roller.
However, despite the many complaints made about the NEX when it was first announced, all the wild theories about PLEX costs and "pay to win" scenarios, nobdy imagined the issue would be CCP pricing the items at a level that exceeded stupid and went straight to Ludicrous. After the embarrassing debacle of Tournament IX and now this, even your hardcore supporters are beginning to think you've lost your damned minds.
òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
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Wishdokkta CEO
The Riot Formation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:19:00 -
[381]
Originally by: PMolkenthin lol looks like most people think this patch is a waste of time and effort :D
No, most people who use the forums and can be bothered to post think this is a waste of time.
How much of the 40k-odd active playerbase have posted?
You see, at one end of the scale you have people who moan and complain and tend to use the forums more. People who are genuinley hacked off with it will quit. They proabably wont find the need to tell the world about it on the forums.
At the other end of the scale you have people who think CCP can do no wrong "fanbois" if you will. They also like to post on the forums to draw attention to themselves.
In between this lot you have the overwhelming majority of the players - they tend to just get on with it and play the game, they are the moderate majority who can see that incarna is mainly a cosmetic patch that doesnt change their playstyle and normal gaming at all. They tend not to post on forums very often.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:19:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Frau Klaps Apparently all caps h2 and colours and crap are the only way to get attention so I must follow suit
I REALLY ENJOY HAVING RANDOM SKILLS NOT APPLIED TO MY SPACESHIP VESSEL WHICH I FLY IN THE MINI-GAME KNOWN AS SPACE. IT MAKES FOR A MORE HARDCORE EXPERIENCE. THIS IS EVEN MORE FUN SINCE YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SHIPS AT RANDOM WHILE PEOPLE THAT PAY $80 FOR A MONOCLE ARE INSURED AGAINST LOSS.
Would you like to know more? [X] - Yes [ ] - No
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Xavier Castle
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:19:00 -
[383]
Initial load times for captains quarters were worrying, but it is pretty quick after several undock/docks. So its not too bad, but i would prefer to have the old hanger view back (with quick access to ship cargo bay etc.) and then have the option to "leave ship" and enter captains quarters. Its going to be very annoying for hauling ore back and forth from belts. I don't think Incarna should effect my the space side of the game, but being forced to load the captains quarters does effect it a lot.
At the moment, Captains quarters are very pointless and nothing more than tech demo. Hopefully this will change in the future but i fear it has already distracted and diverted much development time from space. Mining would be far more deserving of CCP's time.
I like the new turret system but they seem to be bugged. They are always deployed... so i don't get to see the awesomeness of them popping out :P
The major outrage is the cost of Artum and then cost of clothes etc. It makes me feel that CCP want to milk us for money. It will be a major factor in deciding how many months of gametime i should allow CCP to have my money for... there are plenty of other games out there, too bad CCP aren't concentrating on the space features that make Eve on-line unique.
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Illwill Bill
For a fistful of Veldspar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:22:00 -
[384]
Forgot to say this in my previous post: The turrets are awesome!
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Goremageddon Box
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:22:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi I know I'm a goon and thus not worth listening to, but the character walks so slowly and everything is so spread out from a UI perspective that CQ is an active god-damn hindrance to getting things done. I've never really posted to complain about anything before - not nano nerfs, nos nerfs, whatever, all those things way back in the day - but the UX is now so annoying that I managed to last about 5 minutes before turning it off.
And to top it all off, I don't even get to see a static view of my ship when I'm docked any more without having to mess around with cameras. The fact it's floating seems dumb now too - when it was JUST there there was a suspension of disbelief, but now it seems stupid without docking clamps or whatever.
Please, please, please make CQ optional and give us a "station view" option like there was before.
The Maller looks nice I guess though. Maybe you can do a patch where you make all the old, ugly ships look nice (DOMINIX)
ill listen to you for a moment little goon _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
LordElfa
Gallente Golden Lyon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:24:00 -
[386]
Edited by: LordElfa on 22/06/2011 10:26:26 I'll be honest, other than my missing warp stream effect that existed before Incarna, I haven't had a single issue or bug show up since the patch. My frame rate is fine and it all works as normal.
That said, its not the delivery here that's the issue, its how and what you delivered.
CCP, this should have been your Mona Lisa and instead, its your Windows Vista.
òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
flammkuchen
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:25:00 -
[387]
What about walk in stations? Wasn't Incarna announced introducing it? I only get some cryptic message which leads me to think dealines have not been matched to provide the feature. Is this still planned, and if so, is there some information when this might be ready for use?
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Pace eGuerra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:27:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Skah Seraph
Originally by: Pace eGuerra
1. We need to stay in our ships when we dock. As far as PVP goes this can't change. It's common for fleet members to leave on a CTA or roam with a missing mod, or need to change their setup en route to a destination. Being able to buy stuff in transit, divert away from fleet, dock, fit, undock and catch up with fleet is a fundamental requirement. Adding technical barriers to the efficiency of this operation is not good.
2. It's not enough to have an option to turn Incarna off even though I'm sure we appreciate that setting. I want to use Incarna and I'm really looking forward to using it beyond CQ but I also need the fast refit / ship change option. There needs to be a disembark option and if we don't disembark then we don't get hit with the performance requirements of Incarna. Dock/refit/undock should be as fast as it was pre-Incarna as long as we don't disembark.
Dude you can still fit your ship the second you enter the station. The load times have really changed insignificantly unless your running the game on an etch-a-sketch.
hmmm, interesting. Thanks for the info. The box is generally swift; quad core, 4GB RAM, water cooled. Station loading is taking a lot longer than pre-Incarna though. I'll see what my drive throughput is like. That could possibly be the cause. But nevertheless, the request not to leave my pod unless I want to walk around still stands... it's an emersion thing. I don't get out of my car every time I stop at a red light. :) |
Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:32:00 -
[389]
Pre-patch;
4 Clients running without any problems.
After patch: 2 Clients running wihout any problems. (CQ enabled) 3 Clients running with some problems. (CQ enabled) 4 clients computer almost grinds to a stop, eating up all my ram (4GB can upgrade thats no problem, not sure if it helps though.).
I like the CQ idea, i dont like the disable option, as that should show the Hangar view as normal imho. And optional.
In other words; I like the patch, but the "weight" of the game has gon out of proportions. - Dude where is my Charon? - |
Hannibal Ord
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:37:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Soden Rah Why would I post more feedback here when you ignored all our feedback in test server feedback?
To reiterate.
Bring back the old hanger view so CQ is not mandatory on docking
give us separate graphics settings for in space and in Incarna
put the pod in a room, not on the end of the balcony
improve performance so recommended spec machines don't melt
having reinstated the hanger view, remove the crappy in space UI from Incarna and give us a proper one designed especially for it (one that works in the environment not opening windows that cover it).
make things in incarna take time, so every step away from the pod is one that has to be taken back.
the lighting sucks, if their are only a few sweet spots in which the avatar looks good you are doing it wrong, add more uplighting, and wall lighting, if you still want dark and gloomy, make the walls darker and less reflective, and then up the lighting so our chars still get properly lit,
the vanity store is a catastrophically bad idea, and the pricing is laughable. get rid of it. No to MT in eve.
give us back unlimited ship fittings
make it optional to create a new portrait when recustomising our chars, we shouldn't need a new passport photo for changing our hair.
fix the bug that means you have to wear invisible trousers under the dress
fix the camera offset so walking forwards is forwards for the char not towards centre screen (dual screen issue), and keep camera offset for zooming out. Also probably make it go the same way as the in space offset not the opposite way from in space
Communicate more, sooner, and better... you know what I am talking about. If we knew that you were trying to do here, we could have told you how dim it was before you spent ages coding it.
I would also recommend for future patches including known bugs/defects in the patchnotes, with assurance they will be fixed in later patches. That way people know before hand.
and I DID tell you so.
Also, if you remove the current only option of having a half decent dock, in disabling CQ with 'don't load station environment' is removed... I will be unsubbing.
Soden sums it all up nicely.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:40:00 -
[391]
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Frau Klaps Apparently all caps h2 and colours and crap are the only way to get attention so I must follow suit
I REALLY ENJOY HAVING RANDOM SKILLS NOT APPLIED TO MY SPACESHIP VESSEL WHICH I FLY IN THE MINI-GAME KNOWN AS SPACE. IT MAKES FOR A MORE HARDCORE EXPERIENCE. THIS IS EVEN MORE FUN SINCE YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SHIPS AT RANDOM WHILE PEOPLE THAT PAY $80 FOR A MONOCLE ARE INSURED AGAINST LOSS.
Would you like to know more? [X] - Yes [ ] - No
People are reporting all kinds of bonuses and skills not being applied to various attributes.
I've seen people reporting drones being weaker, probes being weaker (possibly obfuscated with scanning changes) and others areas such as damage bonuses not adding up.
Personally, I found it a little strange that my near max spec slicer with +5 damage implants (just pulse spec V missing) couldn't break the tank on a 900k guristas battleship npc . The agility seemed way off too. ~~~
(ಠ_ృ)
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Adrian Dixon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:42:00 -
[392]
Edited by: Adrian Dixon on 22/06/2011 10:43:07 Well I really Like Incarna. It is a foundation for so much good stuff, so good job from me CCP I like it.
Some of my obvious suggestions for CQ; # CQ - Ability to run/jog. # Turrets - Manual toggle for the active/docked state. # Hanger - Manually rotate ship or at least give the ability to change the rotate speed in game. # Character - Zoom out a few more notches. # Character - Re-customization without having to change avatar picture. # The shuttles should be placed in the middle of the hanger for a true size perspective.
Possible stuff; # When you change ship they fly in/out of hanger. # Walk right upto your pod.
I see there is a lot of negative comments, I agree the core game of EVE should be the main focus for the team but im confident CCP have everything planned out to do that in good time.
Incarna runs perfectly on my PC but I think the option to turn it off is essential and the graphics settings for space/CQ should definatly be seperated to help people with lower powerd computers.
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YellowRaven
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:51:00 -
[393]
Thankfully i didnt buy a laptop i was planning to that was going to run very smoothly EVE and seems now that it wouldnt even play it or go with blue screens.I think the story goes back awhile when they announced us that they have thin clients that we cannot use.(I suppose they did cause we would find out anyways).Then they anounce the no support of card without later shader modules no matter my ati 700pro 128mb gives max fps at low set and i get the feeling that in fleet battles i wouldnt want to raise the details anyway.So in 21st june 2011 the first day of summer, we have a no support=denial of service and for supported ones crashes blue screens,forced to disable incarna features no matter you should support them,people who were running multiple clients strungle to run one and i really cannot read all the posts to know what else.So here is this thick client and EVE online is a wannabe latest console graphics enviroment competitor.Ok as a product all fine.You lose some 30k clients who like EVE because it is excel with graphics and get maybe alot more back who like this "new game".Because sadly this is where the whole thing is going.Given the whole change eve online is a new game if you have to buy new pc and have to adapt that much to "where" you can play it than making the gameplay more intrigue.
And all that given the circumstances where the energy crisis is going and the fact that we have the hardware tools to work the new 18watt CPU+GPU PC overall lets say 30Watts with monitor.You like the game illustrated?Yes i would like it too.But do you want to banish the game idea itself of how to make the most complicated,singleserver,mindmungling game, in the most simple way?
Do you really want to turn EVE into DUST?
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NeoPrime
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:56:00 -
[394]
hahaha what a bounce of whiners u guys are... You should be happy that the game is moving forward, not standing still =) how booring would that be after a couple of years...
im sending a greeting from all of us who are happy for the incarna patch =), let the whiners whine on the forums... If you cant handle it go back to WoW and theyr cartoon grapich, im sure u can get your disired fps there.
Great job CCP, and thx for free expansions for EvE :P
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:56:00 -
[395]
CQ seems completely forgettable and unneeded.
I did notice a few specific flaw worth mentioning since it could be fixed easily.
Zooming with the mousewheel seems to work opposite of every other game I tried.
Holding down the left or right mouse button also seems opposite of most games.
Switching these controls would probably make it more familiar to people used to other games.
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Check Herar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:57:00 -
[396]
Good Job CCP...30 Day Plexes on 400 Mil within a day...Gj gj gj...
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Degarion Soth
Minmatar Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:57:00 -
[397]
Don't normally write on forums but as this is a patch i've been eagerly anticipating since its first announcement and it seems shrouded in controversy I want to add my feedback.
CQ - Well its a step in the right direction the possibilities for the future are promising in player interaction and integration with DUST, i'm not overly happy about DUST being purely for playstation as I only bought my XBOX so i could play DUST and dislike playstation, guess i'll have to have two consoles now :S
CQ is very slow, smooth but slow on the lowest of graphics settings. This doesn't supprise me as im stuck on an integrated Radeon HD 4200 until my delivery turns up today with shiny new NVIDIA graphics card, yes i noted ATI was not favoured, yes I read the patch notes, yes i tested CQ on duality and yes I made a fairly well informed guess yesterday that my current setup wouldn't play EVE how I wanted it to and therefore made preperations for such. But essentially it worked though, so my wait up till 1am was at least not completely fruitless :P
I would like to be able to sit on the sofa without having to walk round to the front of it for the option to become active. In rl i can hop over the back, would be nice to do the same in CQ, only a suggestion tho.
The new ingame store, well pricing is fairly steep, I certainly won't be buying anything from there but when i see all the old alliance leaders and other scammers or just hard grafters sat on hundreds of billions of isk it puts it into perspective. Exclusive items for people with exclusive amounts of isk or RL cash. Bit like people who buy Revenant BPC's for 50billion. Status symbol, shiny toy, call it what you will there is always going to be a social divide, pixelated or rl same difference. So yes keep the store exclusive otherwise theres not much point having it as a shiny feature maybe one day I can afford it :)
For some people who are saying they wish you could move your character using the arrow keys, well you can, after messing on duality it's the first setting i changed. Press your escape key go into the movement sub tab and then change each movement key, theres only 4 doesnt take long.
Main future features i would like to see: Be able to walk down alongside and under your ship Interact with other players in station Remove local chat
Overall i'm happy, thank you for finally bringing walking in stations to me after all these years!
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Danton Noor
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:59:00 -
[398]
We need the old station environment back at least as an option. If I wanted to guide a human avatar around I would play any of the bazillion first person shooter games out there that I have never wasted a dime on. I have been a customer for years but what you have done now is stealing all of the fun from the game. I give you two weeks to restore what you took away or I'm canceling all my accounts.
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Joolian
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:02:00 -
[399]
Please fix the ship scale. This was the primary feature I was looking forward to. Seeing the sheer scale of a battleship. I was hoping that all ships would be close to the platform, so that frigates are visible, but only a small portion of the battleship can be seen, unless you look up, and see it towering above you. I know this would bring you very close to the textures, but I can live with that.
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Atij Artua
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:02:00 -
[400]
Edited by: Atij Artua on 22/06/2011 11:02:31 Very poor design on your part CCP. I don't mind walking in stations, I don't mind having an avatar that can do things. But why did you think you should force me to use it. The best solution is already talked about - Add a "Enter CQ" button and return us the old hanger interface - maybe even add an option for people to always enter CQ if they so choose. This would satify all your customers, while keeping this enforced participation is just plain poor design.
Have you already fogotten the advice of the other company you are now work with when they forced their players into unwanted change and got burned.
"Your current player base is your only player base"
For those of us who went through it - this has a frightenly similar feel to the start of NGE in SWG.
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Bibi Andersson
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:03:00 -
[401]
Edited by: Bibi Andersson on 22/06/2011 11:04:34 -My GPU is overheating badly -Ati 5770- . -CQ`s could be an good idea in the future but for now is broken and still incompleted, I need/want the old-classic hangar back -choice beetween both-. -Ship spin. -The new turrets icons looks really UGLY it sucks! EXAMPLE -http://eve.wavetrex.eu/turretmess.png- WTF CCP!? -Market AUR prices.... are so insane ****ed.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:04:00 -
[402]
The actual walking around is very cumbersome. It's not responsive at all, I keep running into walls etc.. This makes it very hard to actually interact with stuff in my CQ.
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Phantom Alz
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:05:00 -
[403]
I like the new turret effects, for the most part, and the Agent Finder is of course a great addition to the game, however, as for the rest.. I think I would trade most of CQ for a glorious return of the old "Orbit Ship in Station" option and have my ship auto-spinning in the hangar view, maybe thats just me though!
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:05:00 -
[404]
Performance on the Mac went down a lot. Had to significantly reduce graphics settings to maintain the same in-space FPS that I had pre-incarna. I don't think this is acceptable performance for the changes that happened in space. And this was flying a ship with no turrets, shooting nothing, just undocking and flying around a bit in a quiet system.
CQ is just barely tolerable atm with reduced graphics. Takes too long to load, and lags the rest of the interface. Fitting window took 5 seconds to load completely. All windows lag during CQ load.
Make the old station environment available, for the love of god. Even better, make it default and add a disembark button. CQ should be optional. I know you want to show off your work, but no capsuleer would go to the trouble of getting out of the pod, showering and dressing, for a 2 minute item pickup at a station. Doesn't make sense from an IC perspective.
Please restore the station info at the top of the station services.
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Brunmunde Hildegaard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:06:00 -
[405]
I don't get why you guys are having such problems. Forceware 260.99 & 9600 GT and a P4 3.0ghz single core with 2gb of RAM is displaying/running the game fine. Well, I build computers for a living and have a much higher technical understanding of how to tweak and perfect a system regardless of setup than most people which could be why I can get the game to run smooth.. but even so the games system requirements haven't tripled since the update or anything...
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Tpau
Minmatar Voice of the Blood Raiders
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:07:00 -
[406]
Originally by: Gadriel Dovgal Put it back the way it was and add a "Leave Ship" button for the people interested in this nonsense. I have no interest in anything that makes it take longer to dock and undock in an emergency situation or causes my clients to run slower while one is docked.
/This
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:08:00 -
[407]
A *permanent* replacement for ship-spinning, both for players wishing not to use the option, and those incapable of doing so due to accepted 'below minimum' PC's, needs to be put into place.
Add immersion. Say it's a damn camera drone or something. As long as it's REALLY low on system requirements and does what the old system does, why not?
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Alex Pier
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:10:00 -
[408]
It's ok for the first 5 minutes... Then I wanted the old hangar back. I cannot see the point of CQ if I cannot interact with other players, or walk further that the four walls of a single room. I do understand that we will eventually get there but in my opinion this update didn't do much good to the game and it wasn't well received by the community.
Turret icons look like turds that someone stepped on. Also lost all sense of size, small ships are "bigger" big ships are "smaller".
Frame rate plummeted, even with a powerful processor and descent GFX card.
Generally this update reminded me what Microsoft did when they went from Windows XP to Vista. Everybody was excited but then everybody went back to XP!
The worst thing for me is that CCP went silent after all the complains they received. I don't say to come out and tell us "we will fix it by tomorrow", but just show us that they appreciate the opinions of the most dedicated fun base than any computer game has seen (along with the StarCraft community).
I hope things will get better from now on, because they simply cannot get any lower!
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Junairs
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:10:00 -
[409]
I like the concept of Incarna, I think CCP's approach is reasonable, and I think they are moving the game forwards.
What I don't like is that the EVE client has moved noticeably backwards. I used to run 3 Incursion clients with no impact on my desktop. Now two docked Incarna clients thash the hell out of it and cause heat issues. I either have to spend my time undocked or with the station environment turned off. That is a down grade.
Please give us the option to retain the old hanger where you can just look at your ship and spin it to your hearts content. It caused no load on our systems. I am happy Incarna is here, and I'll even use CQ on occasion - but I am not happy being forced into it when it uses so much of my systems resources for absolutely no benefit.
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Exo Cab
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:13:00 -
[410]
Wow holy crap you guys complain a lot...This is worst than anything I've ever seen on WoW. Maybe you guys have been playing the same game to long and just take everything for granted. Or maybe there's a lot of really old players, and we all know how older people can't accept change...
I've been playing for a weeks now and am thrilled with the changes so far. Not only that, but I can see that all of this is headed in amazing directions...
The NeX stuff will be adjusted to suit all...once they figure out how in demand everything is...Remember that they aren't a huge team, and every piece of clothing, or weapon, or ship color...whatever, takes a LOT of work. Once they can determine if they are actually going to make decent cash, the prices will drop.
Thanks for all the hard work guys...Best of all, I didn't have to pay an extra $40 to enjoy the content!
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Crisis Engine
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:14:00 -
[411]
Wonderful graphics, excellent really. And the amount of work that went into this is evident. Now, can I please have an option to turn it off?
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Kename Fin
Caldari Wormhole Engineers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:14:00 -
[412]
Please stop all development for the Mac client.
You are wasting your time and ours with the travesties that you keep releasing and ignoring. Retask the devs to do something useful. Do it without remorse or pity as they have not been present at any other time. Stop putting any development cycles into testing the Mac client on cider or how it might be shoehorned into working.
/me is sorry she ever subbed for longer than a month. A Carebear's Carebear Our Eve Blog |
Francesca Lionheart
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:16:00 -
[413]
I haven't been through all 14-odd pages of this thread but I am sure it has been mentioned.
The insides of the stations no longer have a uniqueness - they all look the same. We are no longer faced with the racial quality reflections from the inside of each station that made them unique to the four races before. Instead we just have a very poorly interfaced Captain's Quarters.
The problems get worse once you actually turn the CQ off. You are left with a bland screen. Again, no indication as to what station you are in. Worse: No way to tell what ship you are in short of actually opening the hangar window to see which ship icon is highlighted. This I think is quite possibly the most ridiculous of all functions, and many a player will accidentally be undocking the wrong ship into the midst of a bunch of enemies. CCP you have not made friends on this day.
The purpose of Incarna was the introduce a new vision to EVE. That vision isn't there. There is no attraction to newer players. If players want to run around and do quests, they will do that. They are not going to pay the subscription fee for a spaceship game only to see their character walking around like a drunken cripple. Seriously, when is Running in Stations pegged for?
Loading up the PI interface takes more time now. The lag factor has risen significantly. And woe on anyone who has to try to run more than one client. My PC used to run 3 clients fairly easily on the lowest settings. Now it cannot handle two. Somehow by decreasing the graphical requirements (I would assume so, judging from the bland new interface when CQ is turned off) you have somehow made the game harder to operate.
Really, just what was to gain from removing the old ship hangar? Was it a ploy to force more people into trying out the CQ? I see no logic in tearing down the foundations you had built over many years to replace it with some shoddy artwork of a hatchway.
And don't even get me started on the new recruitment tools.
Honestly CCP, I am ashamed of you guys this time around. And having multiple active subscriptions, I am seriously rethinking if this is the game for me, since apparently it's unfeasible to actually run more than 1 client anymore.
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Renrum
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:17:00 -
[414]
oh poor ccp. i really like you guys but look what you`ve done. a little whine belongs to every patch but this is 99% of pure refusal.
and i have to affiliate in every single whining point.
sad!
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N'maro Makari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:18:00 -
[415]
Are you sitting comfortably CCP? Good, then I shall begin...
THE CLUCKING PRICE OF AURUM!! Are you guys chasing the pink dragon or something?? I mean, Im a sucker for expensive vanity items in MMOs, but even I choked on my tea when I saw those prices. Instead of thinking "cool stuff, gonna look great" I was thinking "woah, Im actually not going to break up this PLEX, Im going to use it for something useful".
I really think you have overestimated demand here CCP. Not to mention, istead of cool clothes being available to all to really add a personal depth to a character, what is ACTUALLY going to happen is that anyone caught wearing this stuff is going to be the subject of instant ridicule.
CCP, you can still save this.
Lower the prices or give us more Aurum.
The issues cannot be resolved any other way
HOWEVER, on a positive note, the CQ has most definitely (lag excused) lived up to standard and offers a promising vision of things to come. The turrets are an exellent aethetic choice, and even mining with a civiy mining laser is a visual treat. But on that note can you alter the sound on the mining lasers?
Cheers
N'maro
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Gun Gun
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:19:00 -
[416]
This expansion of EVE is full of pointers at how EVE can go wrong and lose the interest of many space-fighting players. It is slowly turning at a Barbie's dollhouse adventure. The main thing that attracts players to EVE is space exploration, beautiful imaginative space background motifs, space-combat, and risk taking for gaining profit or advantage in combat. Most of things introduced in Incarna have nothing to do with it, and have downgraded the player's experience so far. The game has significantly slowed down, and the in-space graphics aren't as smooth as before. The RL-money-for-Aurum-for-Useless-doll-clothes experiment only shows that the greedy marketing monster has opened its jaws wide to bite into more profit but I suspect it will bite off a huge chunk of its player mass that way.
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Cincinnatii Bowtie
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:19:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Sofia Kyodai well if i wanted to walk around i would not play a spaceship game
Basically sums up all the years spent on developing walking in stations. Congrats CCP
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Ardvaark Ratnik
Minmatar Voice of the Blood Acquirers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:19:00 -
[418]
Give us the option to leave our ships or hangar environment. I want the option to spin my ships. I can run 2 clients at 20fps each with CQ enabled, but chose to disable them because I want to fly internet spaceships, not walk around taking forever to get back to my ship. Arum/Noble Exchange is a joke and unnecessary.
What a Joke on us. I cannot unsub as I have about 2 months of game time on each of my accounts. I will use that remaining game time to see if anything positive comes out of all of this. If not, I will choose to let my accounts go inactive.
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Elesentra
Gallente Pawnstars INC
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:22:00 -
[419]
This is a good start, I like it, it shows promise.
My feedback:
Please add COSMOS and Epic Arc agents to the Agent Finder as filter options. This would be very helpful
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Virus10
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:22:00 -
[420]
My 0.2 c
1. CQ is very bright and shiny. No issues with my lighting or FPS being slow
2. CQ has nothing at all to do with the game we all know and love.
3. Triple boxing here is actually lighter load on my rig now.. Good work CCP
4. Icemining blur (blue line) was a let down
5. No issues with patching. Downloaded at a great speed. patched just as quick, logged in no problems.
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Brunmunde Hildegaard
Minmatar The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:24:00 -
[421]
You people coming here spamming "AMG CCP CQ SUX GET RID OF IT OR IM GOING TO CANCEL MY 4 ACCOUNTS" need to chill the f**k out.
If you have 4 accounts it's probably because you enjoy this game and have enjoyed this game for a very long time and threatening CCP with quitting just because you can't run all 4 of them for about a day or two while they work out the issues with content they gave you for free just makes you look like a really big a**hole. Not everyone is having issues with the new update, in fact for some people it's running just fine so maybe instead of coming here to tell CCP you're quitting you should think about what YOU can do you help CCP iron out YOURproblem faster.
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hannarma
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:24:00 -
[422]
CCP this morning before i went to work, i have took an sneak peak at the Incarna. I found the CQ an nice addition to the game... (fluff wise now) Can not wait to walk trough the stations. Handle all the problems with the bugs and then implement more chambers to visit!!
All the whiners, this is the beginning of Incarna, remember that. Don't destroy it directly. Give it time just as an good whine.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 -
[423]
Ok, I haven't read every post fully but it seem to me CCP that roughly two thirds of the players posting here range from annoyed to massively ****ed off.
I've had a further go on CQ and it is officially unplayable on my machine. The CPU load is nearly double what it was even with it turned off. The heat being thrown out the back my less than 2 year laptop could grill a cat. Its spec is BEYOND what the recommended spec for incursion was and Incarna doesn't work as well.
I'm happy for what is clearly a minority not having problems but clearly CQ is broken or causing problems for a lot of your PAYING customers and it should be deactivated ASAP until it's left beta.
Everything else in Incarna is good by the way. Hats off to you there.
CQ however, you've royally screwed up.
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Akkukkak
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:26:00 -
[424]
2nd Look:
"I have a dream" .... hum, no. In fact I had a nightmare. I dream i was many years ago, I dream about the worst game ever: Daikatana.
There is a reason. Many reasons CQ and Daikatana are related: - Bad graphics - Bad implemented (to much use of CPU/GPU resources) - Too late - Too little - Half Baked
I am quite sure that some months ago you CCP guys fired the real "EVE Creator" and hired that Daikatana guy... was J.Romero?
TIP: make CapiQuoty OPTIONAL.
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Mr Abstoss
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:33:00 -
[425]
My general opinion: Useless work you have done on that expansion. It doesnt bring any new "real"content, as eve isn't ment to be walking, but flying a space ship. Of course CQ looks fantastic and I was quite amused walkin in my quarter around - for like 15 minutes. Now it is just annoying and lost a lot of useablity. Ofc, the Maller modell and the turrets aswell as the corp management are great, but please PLEASE make CQ optional AND stop developing Walking In Stations. Do more work on ship classes, get us NEW classes, faction BC, more T1 BC, T3 frigs and bc and so on bla bla. You can find tons of good ideas on the forums which you achieve to ignore.
IF you must keep CQ mandatory, please give us the option to drag and drop ship activation and save the last perspective one was having when undocking (looking at the ship) and bring back the RMB menu on the ship in the hangar, aswell as opening the cargo.
Oh and btw: Well done with the increased performance needs. Being docked now whilst doing other stuff with the computer isnt an option anymore as my computer is lagging out then (and I have kick-ass hardware).
I wont say anyhting more than: Hahaha, you rly want to exploit your customers with the NEX items, dont you! C'mon what you think how stupid we were...
Thinking about canceling my 3 accounts. Your call CCP.
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azrael211
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:33:00 -
[426]
I personally feel that the development time for CQ vs what it add to the game play (nothing) is unwarranted.
The entire dev team could have been programming some very cool new additions to the sandbox, instead CQ add nothing to the game play or to the sandbox. I used to look forward to the next feature realse, new ships new missions different pvp new ways to make or loose isk. This has none of those bar loosing isk by buying Aurum (now thats an isk sink).
I do have one positive,I am in favor of and thats the new turret models and gun effects.
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Shaana Mistique
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:37:00 -
[427]
this WiS is so useless, allmost made me hit the unsub button xD people play this game for the ships uknow.. **** you ccp
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Atai Pekoe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:39:00 -
[428]
dear CCP,
i think this time you wasted a lot of ressources and money for stuff a lot of people dont like. i hope this noble shop get you guys a lot of money and that you all gonna drive a porche soon... but that cant be the reason for this insane prices... please... dont tell me you've gone crazy about money making -.-
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Gun Gun
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:39:00 -
[429]
Cut off this Incarna tumor while it's still small and relatively harmless, and focuse on THE GAME ?
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Bon Hedus
Amarr Voice of the Blood Raiders
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:42:00 -
[430]
I live in a POD full of goo, wired to my machines. I knew this was permanent when I joined the eve universe as we were all warned. WHY would I want to leave my POD? It moves from ship to ship as needed and as my training allows. I am a cyborg... mixture of man and machine, a demi-god that fights and dies only to be reincarnated... immortal.
Scr3w your captains quarters / walking in stations. I want my ships. -------------------------------------- Heavy Lag Spike II belonging to EvE Cluster Node #0815 hits your Connection, wrecking your latency to 998ms |
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Arthor Dova
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:43:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Thaliya Dejar hm... what ever you did, i love it. Eve is down to 15 % CPU usage in space... GJ
+1
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Evelyn ISK
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:43:00 -
[432]
I'd like to suggest that you allow us to test walk our characters before we finalize them.
First thing I noticed walking around was that my characters breasts looked crap and fake (though they looked fine in the character creator)
So I used my re-customization I had been saving for this exact purpose, fixed the breasts, tweaked the face / body a bit till I was happy and created. But once I started walking around I noticed her hips were huge (well, at least significantly bigger than they looked in the creator)
It can't be that difficult to allow us to walk our character around in a generic room before we finalize it.
Cheers
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Nelly McKay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:44:00 -
[433]
Will there ever be the option to turn the old interface back on? I mean the eye-candy is cool and all, but I really miss simple things like spinning my ship or double-clicking the screen for my cargo to pop up.
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Gum Boil
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:46:00 -
[434]
Massive waste of time by CCP. I run 6 accounts ATM once I've moved ships and items around I'll be selling 4 and using the isk to pay for my remaining two whilst I see if CCP gets back to adding game content. Carry on with Barbie in space drivel and that's it for me I'm afraid; Shame after 3 years of play but hey it's your game to mess up if you choose I suppose
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Poor Eddy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:46:00 -
[435]
So it seems my graphics card is outdated (requires shader model 3 to run the game) gee, thanks CCP. What a great surprise you brought with your update. Now i not only have lost my subscription money for this month, but also skill training time and the money i will have to spend for a new graphics card. Which is uncertain at the moment at best. Now what would you want me to do now? Huh? Eye candies my ass.
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Betty 4U
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:47:00 -
[436]
Please, for the love of God, make the old station environment available.
So it is cool walking around stations, although a bit cumbersome and seeing the floating holograms of my current ship. But I need to put fuel in my carrier, oh wait, the hologram doesn't allow me to select my fuel bay. I could walk over to my ship hangar, no fuel bay there either. Ok, so i'll just open my ships window and right-click on my carrier to select fuel bay. Crap, where is my ships window. OH yeah, its merged with station window which I minimized so I could look at myself in the mirror. Finally, after loads of mouse clicks I was able to put fuel in my fuel bay.
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Tairon Usaro
The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:49:00 -
[437]
Edited by: Tairon Usaro on 22/06/2011 11:50:15 due to the fact that no new game content was released with this patch i deem it the worst expansion patch ever. I do understand the rational behind an incremental release of walking in station, but i dont understand that no game mechanic feature of any relevance was included in this expansion. Only eye candy, a substantial nerf (jump bridges) and a pointless vanity system. Maybe the rework of dogma gives some value in high-lag fights, but this has yet to be determined under transquility real battle situations.
Thanks for nothing except pointless eye candy. I will disable CQ until you bring some true content for it. Upto now the whole 3D avatarthingy reminds pretty much to the epic failure of Electronic Arts trying force Ultima Online gamers to install a bad Pseudo-3D client instead of the fast and nicely designed 2D client. ________________________________________________ Some days i loose, some days the others win ... |
Alastar Frost
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:50:00 -
[438]
The CQ and the new turrets are great work, there are only two little things that i would like to point at:
The avatar walks like he is sleeping. Especially in the corridor, it doesnt feel like moving at all. Make him a bit more sporty, this would make the whole CQ more usable.
The loading times for cq are much too high. I have no problems running the cq, but waiting out the loading time for short pitstop is annoying.
For the rest of the update, thumbs up. I really like what you have done.
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Kasriel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:51:00 -
[439]
quite possibly the worst "expansion" that i have experienced. just.. wow
to save me typing it up again:
captains quarters with clunky movement controls but ok you can turn that off and look at a door instead.. great and what can you do in there? sit down and admire the horrible lighting, awesome i like the holograms, but that's about it
for the love of god make it ACTUALLY optional, hell make it so you have to "leave pod" like you undock and give us back the old hanger
no more double click to open cargo.. well that's annoying
stupidly overpriced "micro"transactions (i mean come on)
implants disappearing
having to talk to an agent to get station info off them because it's magically vanished
changing icons for (so far i've noticed) strip miners, salvagers and tractors (looks like CCP are doing the whole "realism = brown" thing)
no more ship spinning
standing info STILL missing
honestly i try not to complain about patches but i just fail to see any up side from this at all, we've got captains quarters which every single person i've spoken to has turned off after a quick walk around, we've got CCP basically delivering a big screw you to people with the 'micro'transactions oh and new turrets which after a few hours (at most) you'll go back to not paying any attention to
point out the actual content to me please? sure they fixed a few bugs but honestly the only thing from this entire "expansion" that i was interested in was putting the standings back in the game which says something really doesn't it, that the thing i'm looking forward to most is something they removed after completely ignoring their players all screaming saying it was bloody stupid to remove it in the first place
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GritcheDrifter
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:51:00 -
[440]
After applying today's #2 patch i still CANNOT ENTER MY PASSWORD to log on the game on a MAC client.
The password field doesn't allow to enter characters os paste anything.
Cannot logon... 2 days of game interruption, this really starts to be long.
Please do something!!!!!!
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Kratos IceFire
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:53:00 -
[441]
CQ is slow and cumbersome to use and not because of my PC. I will certainly never use it in its current form.
I actually stopped playing eve after 10 minutes of being on because CQ was such a let down. Not to say I'll quit eve but this was a step backwards.
I am VERY disappointed that when you disable CQ that you cannot get back the old view.
PLEASE RETURN the ship spinner view!!
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Stephen AUT
Caldari Jelly Kings BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:54:00 -
[442]
Even if CQ is... lets say... in baby state, its the right step in the right direction. CCP already said that at fanfest; there must be a balance between excelence and progression. CQ was much progression, so people, give CCP time for excelence now.
@charakter movement Allow Charakter to move quickly by holding down Shift Key.
@info(flat)screen Allow us to configure information screen in the living room so we only see info we are interested in. I would like to turn off concord headhunters "wanted" info, but wanna keep incursion info for example.
@luxury shop Stop complaining about the high price in exclusive store. It is possible to buy Plex with ISK. You may think thats expensive too, because the price is rocket high. But WE are the (ingame) market, so the price for a Plex in ISK is a question of ask/demand. A few months ago (when the shop was planned by the devs), a plex was around 400Mil. So if you need 3 Plex for a luxury good, that would have been 1.2Bil. That would be ok. But the price went up because of the higher demand and traders which knew that and bought them en mass. But the price WILL go down, and the luxury items are affordable again.
@spinning ship Youve never been able to "spin the ship". Remember exactly, it was your camera moving around your ship. But since now you are a person on a balcony guess what; right, since you are not flying around in the hangar anymore, why should the ship. And serious; if it comes to "reality", how you wanna practical bring your ship itself to spin (a mass of thousand tons). Does this make sense? What you need (and maybe CCP will implement) is a tiny camera drone, started from the balcony and move around your ship again so you can see it from all points of view. The ship itself is rotating now, but it does physicaly much more than it did before expansion.
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Bata Kameni
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:58:00 -
[443]
Players of EVE are supposed to be cyborgs wired to their spaceships and that cyberpunk aspect is totally ruined by having them pose in clothes like fashion models and show off their tatoos and piercings. The better (and a lot simpler/chearper) idea would have been to introduce animated portraits in chat channels (waves, emotes, etc...). It would be a big hit. I am not interested in how would my character look/wear clothes/scratch the back of his had at all. My imagination was doing a good job on that one. This CQ thing is useless.
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Jobflobadobyob
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:59:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Betty 4U Please, for the love of God, make the old station environment available.
So it is cool walking around stations, although a bit cumbersome and seeing the floating holograms of my current ship. But I need to put fuel in my carrier, oh wait, the hologram doesn't allow me to select my fuel bay. I could walk over to my ship hangar, no fuel bay there either. Ok, so i'll just open my ships window and right-click on my carrier to select fuel bay. Crap, where is my ships window. OH yeah, its merged with station window which I minimized so I could look at myself in the mirror. Finally, after loads of mouse clicks I was able to put fuel in my fuel bay.
you could just unmerge the ship/item windows... then its just right click ship > fuel bay... there is no actually need to move in CQ, all the old functionality is still there, except dragging ships to make them active. Not saying CQ are great, but functionality wise you don't really lose anything - i literally have not taken one step in CQ, CQ hasn't effected me at all functionality wise.
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Voyantes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:59:00 -
[445]
Simple idea:
on arrival close to station: dock into cq into hangar
that's it. docking into hangar leaves your char into the ship: it's realistic enough, if you have to dock just to empty your cargo from ore etc...
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synasta
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:59:00 -
[446]
Edited by: synasta on 22/06/2011 12:01:19 I love the new strip miner animation*have not seen others* but i want the old sound my hulk made back please, it sounded more powerful and would go well with the new visuals! I would like an option to turn off Captains Quarters and have the old view of the station back. Would like another chance to create my character now that its living in EVE and not just a portrait without having to pay real money for it. thanx
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Arland Endisil
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:00:00 -
[447]
Edited by: Arland Endisil on 22/06/2011 12:00:21 I am not sure if this has been posted and I wanna get it posted before I forget. Please can you change the movement. Strafe and Freelook is what is needed surely? Turning with A and D is just horrible.
Yes I know, you need the mouse to click things but cant you have a lock out key like they do with X3? You know, press a button to lock out mouse selection so you can use the mouse for free look.
A and D for turning is so horrible, Strafe and Mouselook is so much nicer to use. Please think about this guys. Or even right click and move mouse to move left and right...something, anything, just please not A and D to turn.
Cheers! :O)
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:00:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Stephen AUT
@charakter movement Allow Charakter to move quickly by holding down Shift Key.
No.
Walking is fine. When Stations are implemented, it will be silly and annoying to have everyone running around. Hold-Shift to alternate from walk to brisk-stroll, perhaps.
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Red cassius
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:01:00 -
[449]
ok 2 things, 1 Aurum prices, WAY TO HIGH! suggestion, make it so a plex breaks into alot more aurum. the customization of my characer is nice, BUT there is no way anyone besides millionaires are going to buy the plex to get the aurum, to buy a shirt that cost 4 plex, one final note on character customs, can you make it so that clan specific tattoos for us role playish types can actually have some fun, like i dunno, a tattoo from each of the major clans.
and second point here, the movement in the CQ is way to sluggish, either give me a more FPS feel, or give me back my spinny ships. i honestly tried to have fun with the CQ, it is an amazing idea, but i think you have released it too soon, because of these 2 or more reasons. 1. movement is like i am a tard trying to find a light switch. 2. there is no lighting option, or customization. 3. you havent even finished the station interior.. what am i supposed to do, sit at my computer while sitting at my online computer not doing anything. 4. i like the idea of adding a first person feel more than this third person stuff, let other people worry about seeing me in 3d, i want to be able to navigate a room without getting stuck in the corner because i cant see where my character is facing.
i like you ccp i really do, you bring me a game that i enjoy. now, please MAKE SURE YOUR **** IS TOGETHER BEFORE RELEASING SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MAJOR. every game company that makes these big titles always makes this one fatal mistake that costs them players and income, they change a game that was great into something either good or sub par, because they had a cool idea. we dont care, honestly. test the idea among the masses, and make sure you have plenty of detail about it, and extensive improvements done to it long before release date. no one wants to hang out in a broke ass hanger and wait for you to tweak the broke assness of it into something enjoyable.
now, my tirade is complete, please read this carefully, consider how you are affecting your supposed "fan base" before making a bold move.
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Etioki Otumone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:02:00 -
[450]
Am I the only person that likes CQ and the future possibility of walking around the stations? *shrug*
I understand that people expected more of this expansion. And I understand that there should be an option to bring back the old interface, but you should remember one thing: the expansion is free. It didn't cost you anything... well, maybe the download, but that's besides the point. So, yeah. Bring back the old interface (optional) for the oldtimers (and people that use older hardware) and give me a station (and planets!) to roam. :)
-E
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QuoBee Sahruusea
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:03:00 -
[451]
I gotta admit, I'm playing this game to make things go boom and I never thought I'd care for walking in stations - but now that I've got a taste of it I want more! It does add a lot to the game, even if it doesn't increase my PVP.
Wanted features (not really but since you're going that way): 1. Moar TV channels. Watching the CONCORD channel is like watching Fox News. I want a remote controller and dozens of channels, and I want to zap between them and still complain there's nothing good on TV. 2. Walking inside my corp hangar / corp office / corp HQ. 3. Incarnation of all agents. They've always demanded I dock in their station to get a mission, so they should have offices that I can walk into. 4. Walking inside POS towers, SMAs, etc. |
raker
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: raker on 22/06/2011 12:05:05 Edited by: raker on 22/06/2011 12:04:28
This expansion amounts to nothing more than an attempted cash cow by ccp
Do they really think that the playerbase is going to pay 3 months subription for a char to have an item of clothing
Will ppl really opt for a bit of clothing rather than a new ship
This pricing will turn the playerbase away from a blatent idea that is only to make CCP cash
Do CCP really feel its customers are that stupid to fall for such an idea
Imo you should improve the game,give us better ships,or better perfrmance,not try to squeeze us for cash for something that most wont care about
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Magnus Erlendsson
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:08:00 -
[453]
Not a very impressive update all around. Lots of stuff is just slower, with lag for loading all the CQ stuff. I played with my space-barbie for 5 minutes, but now I've looked at all the things in my CQ I never need to look at them again - the standard UI buttons are much quicker and more convenient to use than the 3D interface.
Would quite like to be able to choose to go back to the old ship-centred camera view, with the double-click cargo hold functionality and stuff.
One thing I do wonder is can we get a window on this space station? Surely they must have cameras monitoring the outside, which we could patch into. CONCORD could even charge us for using their security cams - I'll happily pay a few thousand ISK to have a look outside and see who's hanging around.
I can see how this might spoil some peoples' fun with docking games and ambushing people and stuff, but really if you want immersion this would go some way to making it seem a bit more realistic...
As for the Noble Exchange? Don't even go there... If I have to choose between a monocle (which I lose if I get podded) and months of subscription time, vanity is not going to come out the winner.
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:08:00 -
[454]
Whatever you're on CCP, I want some, because you're obviously high as kite if you consider this to be release-quality code...
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:09:00 -
[455]
Firstly, the expansion name. "Incarna" should have been reserved for the full multiplayer in-station experience. I don't believe that will happen before the next release and the name has built expectations too high. I'm eager for what WIS is going to be, but at this stage, the Minmatar CQ doesn't justify the name.
NEX. At least CCP listened when we said we didn't want MICROtransations. Range of avatar goods needs to be about 10-100x what you currently have to make it work beyond the immediate-term, and that is assuming reasonable pricing. Add a filter for "show only items I can use".
Turrets: Wow. Especially the transferrence of hull colour. A few oddities, like multi-barrelled models on non-multi guns (heavy beam laser, 1400s etc); or how they only retract in warp (rather than with no locked targets), but overall, excellent. Icons for hybrids/projectiles and salvagers/tractors/mining lasers could do with a bit more light (lasers icons are fine).
ship spinning. give us the ability to expand the fitting window viewer so that ship spinning with turrets can come back.
agent finder: Haven't played around with this yet so can't comment. Will re-enable CQ when I want a new agent and try it then.
Captain's Quarters. Great start. needs more functionality though: customisable screens being the biggest draw to CQ that there could ever be prior to multiplayer. I've disabled CQ because of the lack of extra utility- PI screen would only get used once a day, corp screen about once a month (if that). Never mind the fact that my card gets sooo much noisier as the fans wind up. (still get 60fps capped, but I should- GTX570). Character lighting is poor- increase reflection from floor/walls at the very least. Drag&drop for ships needs to return. Menu options while in station need to be renamed- "Leave ship" should be something like "Make capsule active". This is a pure text change, but judging by how a lot of missions still start in the middle of conversations (since the conversation change in 2009? Apocrypha?), it will be a while before it gets updated.
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Robertt Goodliffe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:09:00 -
[456]
To all you guys complaining that you cant spin your ships anymore, SERIOUSLY a game as complex as eve and your going to cancel your sub because you cant spin your ship. Please tell me your kidding. Someone develop a phone app for these people to enable them to spin their ships 24/7. If spinning your ship was the most exciting thing you could do while docked you are in need of help or perhaps just some friends to talk to. Yes I feel a little let down by CQ, it does get boring very quickly. The sense of scale just isnt right on the hanger balcony. But its what can be found beyond the door to the rest of the station where things will really get interesting. I agree with people's request to have the option to enter CQ. After all when i fly from Manchester to Sydney I am not forced to get off the Plane in Singapore when it lands. But in eve options we do have the ability to turn CQ off. So what if you don't get to see your ship spin, I suggest you re-read first paragraph if that upsets you. In regards to movement. Double click on the spot on the floor where you would like to walk to and you will walk there unaided. I find if i hold down the Right Mouse button then the left i will walk in the direction that the camera is pointing and just need to move the mouse about to change direction. No need to use keyboard at all. I am not sure if this is default as i did go into movement tab and do the key combination for shortcuts but it didn't indicate at all that it was saved. My laptop is two years old and is by far no where near top of the range. I would be lucky if i can class it middle of the range but CQ works fine for me. If i put everything in high detail then yes it becomes laggy. But I'm just happy it works at all. I don't need everything in high detail. however I do wish I could lay on the bed, that would be cool. No Station Services access point in CQ, is this an oversight? In regards to the personal items you can purchase. Seriously a t-shirt that cost's the same as 4 - 5 Ravens in Eve Economy. What the hell are they made from, Diamond encrusted, gold plated, Megacyte woven into exotic fibres? I am not tight with my money after all I wasted ú1.99 today so my kid could make stupid explosion on my smart phone while playing Talking Ben in his chemistry lab as he gets a kick out of the animations. But High Street Prices in the virtual world is a joke. Even Apple sell MP3 Albums cheaper than the real thing you buy in you local music store, and they are famous for overpricing. Anyhow that's my two bits. I know this is the first step to what is yet to come and personally I cant wait. I love Eve and I love the added element, Eve can be so much more than what it currently is and Incarna proves it. Well done CCP P.S. For those canceling due to hardware issues I hope you come back one day. For those canceling due to Dummy Spitting, Can I have your stuff? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Demy Slade
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:10:00 -
[457]
Your Fix for the Char Editor Failed again, the renderer still overflows the GPU and puts pipelines into an Endless Loop ergo crashing the game. I allready updated all my drivers and DirectX. Your Rendering engine will need a lot of work if you can't even run the enviorment of the CQ and the Char Customizasition at the same time on a normal Gaming PC... It freezes over and bluescreens after 4 editing steps... way to go.
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Zombatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:11:00 -
[458]
Little kid in a dark corner...
'Please make it stop!'
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CCP just hit the 'I fail' button with WIS. It adds nothing to the game and it needs desperate optimization work.
While this has some potential, eventualy, once we get to actually interact with other players and have our own pubs to sell Quafe, this release is useless.
I do hope this will turn better, but I don't think CCP will manage the above too soon, maybe in 1-2 years and by that time this whole WIS will feel outdated.
WIS at this time is a joke and CCP should be ashamed. It adds NOTHING to the gameplay, NOTHING. Why spend so much time for nothing? Why not release it when it has some actual functions, besides being a tutorial for new players.
I guess this addon is more of a Work in Progress content and more of a testing phase for the real WIS, I hope this is the case.
Let's see what the future brings!
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Tradesterina
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:13:00 -
[459]
Well the whole Aurum thing is a flop imho. There isn't much in this expansion but it's not so bad, in fact the possibilities of what can be built on top of incarna are quite interesting. CCP, what is the next update for it? Hopefully a corp meeting room or something like that so we can meet each other.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:14:00 -
[460]
Cap area is still transparent.
IT IS STILL HARD TO READ.
It isn't about the color of the capasitor bars, it's about the bars BLENDING INTO THE BACKGROUND AT TIMES DUE TO THIS STUPID TRANSPARENCY EFFECT.
Excessively fancy new graphics on turrents makes them take bloody FOREVER to load in items window. I hate to think about how slow this is going to make them to loot during missions. Why is it CCP keeps talking about how you're trying to REDUCE LAG then you do stuff like that which MULTIPLIES LAG HUGELY?
Still looking for the "optout" for that waste of bandwidth you call "captain's quarters", which has made "load the station" time NOTICEABLY slower.
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Earl o'Cumberland
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:16:00 -
[461]
Well, my first ever post on a forum, so I'm not exactly a spleen-venter, but this is BAD.
People are having problems with computing requirements, and you advice is to turn down the detail/effects. Do you realise how ironic this is when the only point of Incarna is "eye candy"? Players have to nerf the visuals on their core game play to accommodate something completely spurious.
Incarna has achieved nothing except breaking so much of the core of the game - the internet spacehipz. Bonuses not being applied, wh effects, corp recruitment for large corps is completely broken.....and thats before all the bugs from carbon UI patch that still haven't been fixed.
While you may brush off the negative comments in this thread as old timers who can't deal with change, - after spending so much time/money on incarna it must be hard for you to remove the rose tinted spectacles - the real acid test will be in the direction of your subscriber base. Keep a close eye on it as that is your ultimate reality check.
This time you really have hit rock bottom. With all these gameplay bugs, what do you fix in the first DT patch: "Characters can now finish recustomizing while station environment is disabled." says it all really.
If you wanted to create simz-in-space, why didn't you just make a new game?
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Ethan Blacknova
Gallente Perkele Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:17:00 -
[462]
Everything is fantastic, except the ******ation that is Aurum conversion rate;
I suggest adding a zero. 1 Plex = 25,000 Aurum.
I will not be spending ANY cash on the NEX until Aurum prices are altered.
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GiveYourStuff
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:17:00 -
[463]
For all those who have disabled epic failed Incarna and who wants to SPIN THEIR SHIPS and have trouble seeing WHICH SHIP IS ACTIVE..
Open The Fitting panel.
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Graava
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:21:00 -
[464]
To all those who say this is free, it is not! We pay good money for our subscription. At least I used to... 4 accounts card subscription cancelled. I have paid CCP for 8 years but will now spend my billions on plex for game time, so this is having exactly the opposite effect that CCP are wanting to achieve in their money grab. This should last me a couple of years of gameplay with NO cash from my pocket going to CCP.
I do not generally post in forums, in fact I am one of the silent majority who just get on with the changes and find the new opportunities that arise out of each update.
After all the times of being beaten with the nerf bat you would think I was used to it by now, but this patch just sucks. It adds nothing to the gameplay, in fact CQ detracts though extra cpu/gpu load, content that lasts 5 mins, and stupid station load times for dock drop / dock fit.
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Fenris Ulfur
Bio Material Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:22:00 -
[465]
Can't be bothered to read the whole thread to see if this has already been mentioned but here is my take on Incarna
1) W,A,S,D or arrow key movement is horrendous. Make the character move in the direction that the camera is facing. That way you can actually move around like almost every other modern (and older) FP games do it.
2) Please oh pretty please allow me to run. I don't want to spend 25-30 sec moving from the ship ramp into my quarters every time I dock.
3) Sluggish camera movement.
Other than that I find it alright, except I didn't think it would put this much strain on my graphics card. And ofcourse this is the first release so I'll be waiting for the update that fixes and fine tunes these things better --------------------------------------------------------------------- "But rather than that you question my courage, let someone put his hand in my mouth as a pledge that this is done in good faith" |
Mayana Armand
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:25:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Kern Hotha Feedback: The station environment is worthless fluff, and it stresses our computers without adding anything worthwhile. The time and resources spent on the Captain's Quarters were wasted and should have been spent on making the game of Eve better.
+1
The lighting/rendering is terrible ... ships outside are nice and crisp tho enter station with the same settings and it's like stepping back to Exodos days !! Is this a covert attempt to get everyone out of stations ?! The Character Editor looked as though someone had attacked with blue sticky tape and took 2 x clear cache and 2 hrs of tweeking graphics setting to get to work ... while hogging 1.4GB of Ram and 85% on 2 cores ... the level of detail is also 10x that of the CQ avatar which is left for dead by dozens of other games with walking charaters and they are doing much more than just circling one room !! If this is an intro to what we can expect later then unless you have a really high end system then you may never want to dock again
Docking to do a simple task now takes 5 times longer (and that's even on a system with SSD so loading isn't the limiting factor) ... least that means RL stuff gets done more ... you can make a cuppa while docking hehe
and WTF has been done to BPOs now?! they lok as washed out and indistinguishable as the BPCs again !! They were fine as they were so why change them ? The new Turret ones I can understand needed changing tho they couldn't have been any less detailed !?!
Would be cool if ships were more proportional in the hanger too and there was an option to set focus on them akin to the old hanger ships view.
Well small advancement is that we can FINALLY LOOK UP when in station !! |
Sraer Achasse
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: GritcheDrifter After applying today's #2 patch i still CANNOT ENTER MY PASSWORD to log on the game on a MAC client.
The password field doesn't allow to enter characters os paste anything.
Cannot logon... 2 days of game interruption, this really starts to be long.
Please do something!!!!!!
Stop waiting then. The patch failed, just dl the full client LIKE CCP SAID TO DO.
On Topic:
Overall, I do agree with the majority of posts in this thread:
-No real use for Incarna, though I still like the shinies -Incarna uses way too much CPU/GPU and the loading times are insane -A run, no, a power walk button would even be okay... -Excellent work on the turrets! Love my hybrids -The so called "micro"transactions, aren't micro at all...good thing I wasn't planning on supporting that anyway.
So while I do like the expansion, it feels like it has little use. The dev resources could have been used to fix/add a more complete feature to the game rather than just one CQ and a massive vanity item fluke.
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Kat Verholden
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:34:00 -
[468]
I wanted to like CQ.. I really did.. but in the end I can't for a list of reasons.
As soon as it loads.. everything is too dark. A room that is mostly dark with only a few pools of directed light is fine for cheesy suspense warehouse scenes.... not so much for a place we're supposed to enjoy spending time.
Walking is too slow. I understand we don't need everyone running and jumping but.. I've moved around on crutches with a broken leg faster than we're walking now... a little more speed won't hurt.
Camera controls are horrid. It's an annoyance on a desktop.. it sucks horribly on a laptop touchpad. Some sort of shortcut to toggle or hold for free rotation would be nice.
I never intend to use the NeX market.. but after glancing at the prices... someone added or forgot a 0 somewhere. I saw someone lose a nicely fitted Nighmare today.. apparently an ocular implant vanity item is worth the same amount...... I think not. Keeping in mind these are just the first round of items.. we know ships and other things are intended and you know they'll cost more than a shirt.
I honestly want the cq to be optional. If I'm supposed to be walking around my hangar then I should be in a big flat room crowded with giant secure containers, stacks of ammo, radioactive pos fuel and other random clutter.. which I wouldn't want to have an open air connection to where I'm supposedly sleeping. If we must have all the dress up in space stuff give us some for of real hangar and let us set an option (easily changeable in the esc menu) whether we load the hangar area of the CQ upon docking. I'm I'm docking to change ships for pvp I'm not going to run into my room and look at the news or see what my agent has to say... I wouldn't be leaving the hangar.
On a few positive notes... New turret animations look nice.. though the icon for minnie guns is rather fugly. Will be checking the others when I get home from work.
Although I have minor hope it'll happen.. I hope this thread, along with the multitude of various other ones, will get some people looking over thing a little more carefully and considering at least making this stuff optional.
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Liza Stone
Caldari Advanced War Technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 -
[469]
My laptop 8400M graphics card just about manages to cough up 2 FPS. Lucky I was only logged on to change a skill (which now takes 10 minutes)
Thanks CCP you have just made EvE unplayable to for those of us with 'lower' end hardware.
Please allow us to return to the ship spinning.
Or at least have a hardware survey before greatly increasing the minimum game requirements.
Worst update in the time I have been on eve and my first character was made in 2003.
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Jherdan Berral
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 -
[470]
I think a lot of people are being waaaaaay overdramatic. I like the CQ, it's fine as a first step proof of concept and it's not 'barbies in space' (seriously, some of you sound like small children), but it definitely needs to be optional. Dock the ship, the old display comes up, and then a button to go to CQ. This is a no-brainer. It fits with the background of the game as many if not most capsuleers obviously prefer to be in the pod unless they need to get something done that requires a body, which your own trailer for Incarna seems to say, it makes people who don't want to deal with the extra graphics load happier, it's just the way it should be done, unquestionably. Until then, I will spend most of my time on station looking at that boring static background despite my rather powerful Geforce 480 GTX and god help you CCP if you take that option away from us as you hinted in that blog post.
However, the new turrets are awesome even if they make me sad that I primarily fly missile boats.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:37:00 -
[471]
The biggest gripes I have are the clumsy controls in CQ and the walking speed. I'd like to have FPS/first person cotrols on movement and an option for a more brisk walking speed.
Basicly the moving with the current controls doesn't feel like I'm moving, it feels like I'm awkwardly moving someone else. This is a problem with all 3rd person perspecives, but since moving isn't natural, it's worse than in other games which use a 3rd person perspective.
Moving speed is just a convenience issue. I know you don't want us to run, but did you have to model the movement speed of the slowest mother****er you could get your hands on? It's annoying in just the limited CQ area, so it will be a major annoyance when you allow us access to the more spacious station areas, unless you implement fast travel teleportation in some form. Wasting time traveling within a station serves no gameplay purpose, so try to minimize it as much as you can. It's just pointless filler and boring filler at that.
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ThaWolf
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:37:00 -
[472]
I agree with most in this thread. Give me back my old ship spinning hangar and make CQ optional, i like it, but i dont need it all the time, what i need is a quick loading "fast to use" hangar to switch ships in NO TIME.
CQ is the Minigame not my Spaceship!
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:40:00 -
[473]
I should probably grazulate ccp dev team for makeing this game unbelievably unplayable in stations now. LOL. Started client, installed emergency patch #2 (Quality assurance anyone? Before release?) and finally logged in. 10 seconds and game crashes and all i did was tweaks those damn graphics settings. NICE WORK....
Well after that short 10 seconds of lag hell also known as Captains Courters, im disabling station enviroment now and will newer turn it back again.
And my computer is only year old, ok its not exactly gaming rig, but it used to run eve just fine for me. Hell i could run 3 clients on it same time without too much difficulty. Now i dont even dream about multiboxing, unless useing actyally multiply computers.
So why did this CQ been showeled down our throats? What happened the OPTIONAL part that was mentioned in fanfest couple years ago? I seriously miss old eve we had last week. Now i fear that if i go to space this new incarna feature somehow messes my performance enough that i can only dream about fighting in epic battles eve is know by many.
Dear ccp do you know golden rule of interface design? DONT BLODY REDESIGN IT ONCE ITS ESTABLISHED. Users are going to hate it.
Please, please bring back old station interface, CQ is totally useless to me and actyally destroys my imersion ingame in its current laggy implementation.
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Gremoxx
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:41:00 -
[474]
Edited by: Gremoxx on 22/06/2011 12:42:22 Feedback:
Positive-
Looks cool, finally able to do what I thought you should be able to do when starting the game back in 2009.
Negitive-
LAG-FEST.... used to be able to run 3 clients on my PC setup. Now I struggle with one, and all the settings turned low.. and that's being un-docked. I'm not sure how Large-Fleet fights are going to be, but my initial thoughts are that we will see the return of the major lag-fest that we have only recently seen the end off.
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Phaershalee
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:44:00 -
[475]
Good start but definitely needs work.
1. Most 3rd person games allow mouse to control turning. This should be addressed. Movement in general needs tweaking to allow smoother input when using the keyboard. Please add the ability to run. 2. If its in my quarters I want to interact with it: laying on the bed, picking up cans, moving things around. 3. I'll just call the RMT pricing.... INSANE! 4. It would be nice if we could rotate the ships in the hangar, and actually get down to the pod. 5. How about adding an optional animation that shows us getting into the pod and the pod transferring to the ship. 6. Eve is now a Memory Hog, especially with two clients running. Please update the system requirements and recommendations to reflect the needs of the new graphics. Also can you add a recommendation for those of us who do run two clients?
I was holding out on upgrading my computer until Incarna came out. Now it would be helpful to have some solid recommendations from CCP on minimum requirements for one or two clients.
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FellRaven
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:48:00 -
[476]
Originally by: Robertt Goodliffe To all you guys complaining that you cant spin your ships anymore, SERIOUSLY a game as complex as eve and your going to cancel your sub because you cant spin your ship. Please tell me your kidding. Someone develop a phone app for these people to enable them to spin their ships 24/7. If spinning your ship was the most exciting thing you could do while docked you are in need of help or perhaps just some friends to talk to.
I think you are missing the whole point of EVE it is an Internet spaceship game and those of us that PvP want to be able to dock change ship and get back into space in the minimum time possible.
We don't want to dock, leave our pod, change our trousers, select the ship we want, right click it make it active and un-dock only to find we missed all the fun. For those that say turn it off I have but I still don't have my hanger back and I still can't just drag and drop my ships.
It seems that CCP have given us dress up barbie
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Nairuhk
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:49:00 -
[477]
Hi,
I multi-box, and am quite happy to switch off the station environment to be able to do so easily, however it is quite hard to tell what your active ship is now when docked, therefore:
- Please hightlight the active ship in the Ships list when docked (maybe make it opaque/different colour)
Regards, Steve
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:50:00 -
[478]
I managed to post on the first page last nite...and I followed the thread until page 7, then I decided I need to go sleep and cool off from this ultra-disappointment we have been served.
Now... When I look back, the Incarna was awaited for such a long long time. The patch notes said it would be great...here are the "cooled-off" impressions from me...
1. EVEry pvp-er is now absolutely dissapointed, or most of us are, anyway. The turrets look amazing when fired with full effects. The problem is, the turret models look puny and not really impressive. Second issue with turret modules is that now all of them look alike, ALOT. Shape of barrels on blasters and rails remind of the new Arty/AC barrels. I mean SAD.
2. I have mentioned earlier, the guns have completely bad description/model/icon alignment. First of all, a simple example is the 800mm rep. arty II...it says "4-barreled ..." while the graphic clearly displays it as 2-barrel turret. Same goes for the monster 1400mm...it's supposed to fire a single MONSTER SHELL, every 15-20seconds...IT HAS 2 BARRELS, WHAT THE HELL?
3. Incarna/WiS...We all understand it's a first step towards interaction development, and a step towards Dust514 intertwining with EVE. That's all cool. But how much actual feedback did you read from your testers on SiSi??? From what I can read here, most of people have been sincerely aggravated by your blatant decision to ignore and actually LIE about optional INCARNA...This is really bad. Instead of increasing the customer base, which eventually might happen, you have flushed lot of alt accounts down the drain = LESS INCOME for now...Good luck anyway. But the level of development of our current WiS is just sad. Players feel crippled by entering station, as it takes ages to deal with changing the ship, undocking...moving...one of my first reactions was "where the hell is the option to run???".
4. Turret icons, both in inventory and the ones displayed on the aggressed target are just PLAIN BAD. Whoever did them, didn't spend much time playing eve. There is no balance between the large, small/medium turrets, the colors are all almost same, and there is no way to know which one is which without reading it for 100 times...Any half-decent pvp-er could simply pull the icon, without reading the name, and fit it on the ship, without having a single doubt what he fitted. NOT ANYMORE.
5. Speaking of Dust514, I am not sure if I will buy a PS3 for it, but I must admit, the whole interaction thing, really put that idea in my head. At the moment, I am at the NO choice, just because of the way you have handled this expansion. I feel that insincerity and lack of care was the general description of your recent development work and it's application to TQ.
I think it's quite right to say the following flak you, the CCP have received in this thread is well deserved, and shows how much real CONS vs. PRO's you have given/introduced. I also have to say that turret effects look amazing but the turrets themselves are under-par...And the lighting in stations is just horrible. I wish you all the best luck in trying to do some damage control, since you definitely will need to.
All in all, I will have to spend a few days playing other games, while I manage to properly cool off from this disappointment. After 5 years playing, I am now, for the first time, really tempted to stop playing EVE if this kind of behavior continues. People are beginning to play this game INSPITE of CCP, rather than THANKS to CCP... PLAYERBASE REACTION TO INCARNA |
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CCP Bella Bee
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:58:00 -
[479]
Originally by: GritcheDrifter After applying today's #2 patch i still CANNOT ENTER MY PASSWORD to log on the game on a MAC client.
The password field doesn't allow to enter characters os paste anything.
Cannot logon... 2 days of game interruption, this really starts to be long.
Please do something!!!!!!
From the issues thread: * MAC - If you previously patched the Mac client a fix is available. See this thread by CCP Mandrake.
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Raviolia
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:58:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 21/06/2011 23:45:53 Just saw the prices in the RMT store.
and......
HAHA
Oh My God CCP.... Inappropriate comment removed. Spitfire
1 x plex = 19.95 USD, 1 x Plex = 3.500 AUR. - "Looking Glass Ocular Implant": 12.000 AUR = 68.40 USD = about 5 months of gametime paid by credit card. - "Womens Sterling dress Blouse": 4.400 AUR = 25.08 USD
Brilliant.
You know, I can get cheaper real pants in my local store than I have to pay for virtual pants in this store. Well at least there is no reason to worry about excessive increase of plex usage. Also, you dont have to use the term "micro" transactions.
Yea I've been quite shockked by this issue aswel. Howcome a ocular cost more than t1 cap-ships (no, not the super-caps)?
Talking about scale... :S
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:58:00 -
[481]
Thank you for all your hard work on Incara. I have to say I am not a fan of MT in general, but as long as it is only vanity items, it does not bother me. I could not care less about the prices. I view it as a great isk sink and there is a lot of old isk in the game. Who knows, I might buy something on sale one day. I know this is the first step and there is much more to come. I was actually surprised a low end laptop could run it. Keep your chin up. There are many that appreciate what you have done that are not as vocal by nature compared to the squeaky wheel people. I know yall have thick skin which is good with all the short sighted people we also have in this community. I look forward to the next blogs, CSM notes, and releases.
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daint666
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:59:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Sunbird Huy I managed to post on the first page last nite...and I followed the thread until page 7, then I decided I need to go sleep and cool off from this ultra-disappointment we have been served.
Now... When I look back, the Incarna was awaited for such a long long time. The patch notes said it would be great...here are the "cooled-off" impressions from me...
1. EVEry pvp-er is now absolutely dissapointed, or most of us are, anyway. The turrets look amazing when fired with full effects. The problem is, the turret models look puny and not really impressive. Second issue with turret modules is that now all of them look alike, ALOT. Shape of barrels on blasters and rails remind of the new Arty/AC barrels. I mean SAD.
2. I have mentioned earlier, the guns have completely bad description/model/icon alignment. First of all, a simple example is the 800mm rep. arty II...it says "4-barreled ..." while the graphic clearly displays it as 2-barrel turret. Same goes for the monster 1400mm...it's supposed to fire a single MONSTER SHELL, every 15-20seconds...IT HAS 2 BARRELS, WHAT THE HELL?
3. Incarna/WiS...We all understand it's a first step towards interaction development, and a step towards Dust514 intertwining with EVE. That's all cool. But how much actual feedback did you read from your testers on SiSi??? From what I can read here, most of people have been sincerely aggravated by your blatant decision to ignore and actually LIE about optional INCARNA...This is really bad. Instead of increasing the customer base, which eventually might happen, you have flushed lot of alt accounts down the drain = LESS INCOME for now...Good luck anyway. But the level of development of our current WiS is just sad. Players feel crippled by entering station, as it takes ages to deal with changing the ship, undocking...moving...one of my first reactions was "where the hell is the option to run???".
4. Turret icons, both in inventory and the ones displayed on the aggressed target are just PLAIN BAD. Whoever did them, didn't spend much time playing eve. There is no balance between the large, small/medium turrets, the colors are all almost same, and there is no way to know which one is which without reading it for 100 times...Any half-decent pvp-er could simply pull the icon, without reading the name, and fit it on the ship, without having a single doubt what he fitted. NOT ANYMORE.
5. Speaking of Dust514, I am not sure if I will buy a PS3 for it, but I must admit, the whole interaction thing, really put that idea in my head. At the moment, I am at the NO choice, just because of the way you have handled this expansion. I feel that insincerity and lack of care was the general description of your recent development work and it's application to TQ.
I think it's quite right to say the following flak you, the CCP have received in this thread is well deserved, and shows how much real CONS vs. PRO's you have given/introduced. I also have to say that turret effects look amazing but the turrets themselves are under-par...And the lighting in stations is just horrible. I wish you all the best luck in trying to do some damage control, since you definitely will need to.
All in all, I will have to spend a few days playing other games, while I manage to properly cool off from this disappointment. After 5 years playing, I am now, for the first time, really tempted to stop playing EVE if this kind of behavior continues. People are beginning to play this game INSPITE of CCP, rather than THANKS to CCP...
This, and the fact that if CCP do dust like CCP do incarna, eve really is ****ED.
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Logan Empuls
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:05:00 -
[483]
Edited by: Logan Empuls on 22/06/2011 13:06:18 I agree with most others. The new turret icons are very hard to distinguish from one another. This was really apparent on my Noctis as I was trying to salvage a mission and had lots of trouble distinguishing between my tractor beams and salvagers. Please fix or revert to the older icons!
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Yulinki Atavuli
Minmatar Caldari Investment and Security Industries Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:08:00 -
[484]
CCP I thought you should get a real response besides the trolls. I for one, love incarna i have no issues what so ever in the stations a few small things out in space but not worried about it.
but the average consensus within my alliance is that they would love to use incarna, but most people are using multiple boxes and the performance is severely lacking on even modern PCs.
basically people need some help to make incarna more multi-box friendly. please? thank you.
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Leto'2
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:09:00 -
[485]
Hey i'm still waiting for some response to our complainment on this patch....16 pages and still counting and no comment yet!
Why the hell than this thread?
CCP pls answer to our complains even if it's just something like "Shut the **** up".
But any response to our complains that actually says something would be appreciated!
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Forseti Itnfree
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:11:00 -
[486]
Weapons, salvagers etc icons became awful... Its teriible. Why?? I cannot understand... It was fine before Incarna... Recon mission 3 - instead of fixin graphics effects you just removed them... Why again??
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:11:00 -
[487]
Originally by: Yulinki Atavuli CCP I thought you should get a real response besides the trolls. I for one, love incarna i have no issues what so ever in the stations a few small things out in space but not worried about it.
Go do you know what. PLAYERBASE REACTION TO INCARNA |
Vol Arm'OOO
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:12:00 -
[488]
Who designed the new icons for the strip miners, tractors, etc. . .? They all look like undifferentiated blobs to me.
Oh, and yea I agree that with all those that say the lag in CQ sucks donkey balls. Also is there someway to temporaily close all windows so you can actually see cq? On my smaller screen -- where I keep my alt acct -- I cant see anything because of the windows -- local, corp chat, overview/journal etc. In space its annoying but not that big a deal, but in cq its a pain that the eye candy is obscured -- yes i know I can minimize the windows -- but having to minimize all the windows manually is annoying, as is mising something said in local or corp channels.
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daint666
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:12:00 -
[489]
Originally by: Yulinki Atavuli CCP I thought you should get a real response besides the trolls. I for one, love incarna i have no issues what so ever in the stations a few small things out in space but not worried about it.
but the average consensus within my alliance is that they would love to use incarna, but most people are using multiple boxes and the performance is severely lacking on even modern PCs.
basically people need some help to make incarna more multi-box friendly. please? thank you.
you're a bloody carebear and you probably dont understand the need to actually undock, fit your ship or play with any sort of haste. its not like the asteroids are gonna run away is it. Any less lag we can have is better when fighting in large fleet fights.
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EcthelionStrongbow
Caldari PROCORP RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:13:00 -
[490]
Here's my theory, your view of Incarna 1.0 correlates exactly to what you view Eve as.
If you view Eve as an internet spaceship game, you hate it. It detracts from work that could be done on internet spaceships and internet spaceships are all that Eve is good for.
If you view Eve as a Sci Fi simulator, you think it's a good first step that needs iteration. You understand that there is more than spaceships to Eve's world.
My own view is that people are viewing this as an indictment on their play style and not CCP doing what CCP's vision of the game is. It's their baby, they just let us play with it.
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needleheadned
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:13:00 -
[491]
i like the new turets and all, well as quarters goes only 1, not for each race? and yes the maller looks cool :=)
well here comes the funny pat of the patch my laptos is 1 year old and with eerything low detals it still overheats, never had problems before with 5 clients runing, now i use 1 and after 20min the laptop dies cos of overheating, yes have extra cooling for it and everything and its not a cheap shot one. i hope you can fix this and im not the only guy who has problems with it.
O/
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:13:00 -
[492]
Just to be the logical one for a second-
So in a world where games are becoming more and more open and realistic, all the over-dramatic people here seem to think CCP won't advance with the times? This is only 1.0 of Incarna too, mind you. There are a lot of bugs to iron out, a lot more work to be done, but this is a starting point. And for those of you complaining about your low-end systems, CCP has said a few times in the past that you will need to upgrade, it was your own fault for not listening then.
So either CCP advances with the times and becomes a truly open sandbox scifi environment, or it stays the way it was and when the X series from Egosoft goes Multiplayer EVE would die. And if you lot haven't upgraded since the 90s, thats your own fault.
Your choice guys. Either CCP goes broke because you guys won't let it move forward with the rest of the gaming world, or you give them a chance...they've done pretty damn well so far. ---------------------------------
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Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:13:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Vol Arm'OOO Also is there someway to temporaily close all windows so you can actually see cq?
Does Shift+Tab help at all? It's not pretty, but you can see. -
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Ivana Rydeyew
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:14:00 -
[494]
Thanks CCP - very nice indeed.
The new Turrets and their effects are brilliant. Combine that with Maller and i just wanna go blow stuff up, a little disturbing for and industrial pilot.
New Agent Finder is very helpful, thats gonna save me a lot of time.
I'm not interested in skirts or handbags but lots of people seem to be moaning there too expensive, no brainer realy isnt it?
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Si'Andregal Grungolash
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:14:00 -
[495]
Well done CCP, you have finally exposed your true selves.
All respect I've ever had for you has been lost in the past months, Incarna was the last straw.
The damage has already been done, we've all seen just how greedy you've become and how little you actually care about the community, nothing is going to change that now.
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Draco Warlo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:15:00 -
[496]
Simple solution to make everyone happy (if this has been already said, my apologies, its a long topic):
Add an option to the Esc menu so you can choose to start in either the old layout or in CQ. Then add a button in the old layout to "disembark to CQ" and a button in CQ to "reembark to ship"
I look forward to exploring CQ and stations, but most of the time just want to dock, change some stuff around, drap and drop a new ship to active (why is this gone?) and leave
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:16:00 -
[497]
Right now, CQ brings pretty much nothing positive.
- It doesn't fit the EVE universe that a capsuleer would go to all that trouble of getting out of the pod every single time one docks. It's badly woven into the game's backstory and context. - It's faster to use the neocom and station service buttons to do all the things CQ allows you to do. - CQ actually hurts the performance of the various neocom/service windows. - Lowered usability. Not just performance/responsiveness, but also removal of station info panel. - No multiplayer features at all in what's supposed to be the biggest new thing in a major expansion.
There's no actual benefit to using CQ at the moment. I can't really see the point of it without multiplayer interaction. It's really feels like a move to use EVE players as (paying) beta testers for WoD technology, especially since the old station environment was axed and CQ bolted on, minmatar fashion, with little regard for the game's backstory.
There's good stuff in the expansion, but I feel that overall the game was better before Incarna.
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Lee ChanKa
WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:18:00 -
[498]
load station environment *unchecked*
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Junky Juke
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:20:00 -
[499]
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!
Make the hybrid turrets icon brighter!!!! It's almost impossible to understand who you're shooting at while in space!!!!!!!!
PS What the hell do you have against the poor Gallente???
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N'maro Makari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:21:00 -
[500]
Ok CCP, in reality the only issues are lag and Aurum. DO NOT stop on walking in stations.
People who are angry about walking in stations are angry because the way THEY want to play the game might be spoiled. Frankly they should remember that CQ is only the first phase and there will be another dimension added through WiS.
I would say that you should reconsider bringing back the old hangar view and givng an "exit pod button"
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Lord Zengin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:23:00 -
[501]
Originally by: Sakura Zendragon Whatever you're on CCP, I want some, because you're obviously high as kite if you consider this to be release-quality code...
This! Either CCP has no QA at all oder they had to rush the rollout because somebody important swung the hammer and ordered to do so. As a PM working on (much much smaller) mobile software projects, I am really (REALLY) surprised to see such a poor quality release for a subscription dependent MMOG.
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Luke Perceptinator
Amarr PELCA Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:24:00 -
[502]
Got home ran the update everything worked like a charm as always. I can see that you guys at CCP have really poured your heart and soul into this update.
Props and credit where credit is due, I love it. Had minor lag with 3 accounts running while docked however I have noticed an improvement in space with overall performance.
I've been waiting 4 years for this I felt more immersed in EVE than I ever have and it was great to see my ships in station, great idea and thanks for all your efforts CCP. Any minor issues I can see I know are just teething problems, to write the IO from the ground up in many cases and produce something like this is awsome.
Don't let the negative comments of some spoil your moral they would never be happy no matter what you do.
I'm really happy with what you've produced in Incarna and look forward to later in the year for the upgrades. Say... Nice Bike. |
Adrian Dixon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:27:00 -
[503]
Originally by: Draco Warlo Simple solution to make everyone happy (if this has been already said, my apologies, its a long topic):
Add an option to the Esc menu so you can choose to start in either the old layout or in CQ. Then add a button in the old layout to "disembark to CQ" and a button in CQ to "reembark to ship"
I would really like this it would be better for immersion aswell.
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Liner Xiandra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Skyreth This is only 1.0 of Incarna too, mind you. There are a lot of bugs to iron out, a lot more work to be done, but this is a starting point.
No it's not, this game is 8 years old now. It's not a starting point at all. Sure, new features might need some tweaking and bugfixing, but with every update, more stuff gets broken in the process. With Incarna 1.0 I feel like playing a game worthy of open-beta status again.
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Argus Kell
Gallente Blackwatch Highlanders
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:32:00 -
[505]
I personally love Incarna. I think its a hugely important step in what is becoming a truly unprecedented MMO experience.
I agree, however, that for speed and to make more sense that when you dock you be presented with the old station screen and that Captains Quarters be a Station Panel button that you click to enter CQ.
I mean, why would you get out of your pod, get dressed and go to a motel room when your pod can just be transferred to the other ship or you're just docking to get your cap recharged?
Argus
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Constantine Kusoni
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:35:00 -
[506]
I like it, but I think there are some needed changes - IMO the option to start in the old ship-view when docking is a must. And then a nice little button to go to CQ. It's really nice to explore, but it does take more time to load (understandably) and sometimes pilots need to do stuff which involves docking, leaving some cargo and undocking, often repeated each 5 minutes. Although I can understand that it's not really bad that there is no such stuff at first, since many players wouldn't even take a look at CQ then. Another major visual problem is the ship scale.. I mean, my frigate looks even bigger than my mining barge.. As said in the first reply to this post, this looks just wrong, because, unless you have 3D glasses and are using them to play EVE, you cannot perceive the distance.
And another thing - having to walk everywhere pretty much sucks. It's OK for now, but I imagine the station environment will become larger in the future.
Other than that, apart from some minor bugs, it's nice, I like it.
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N'maro Makari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:35:00 -
[507]
NEWSFLASH
EVE IS NOT ONE-DIMENSIONAL! It is not a WoW clone where the options are "be the best at everything or go bust" Frankly another gameplay dimension is overdue and adds to the world of Eve as a SCI-FI SIMULATOR, not as some run of the mill MMO.
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Jonny Copper
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:37:00 -
[508]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist EVE Online: Incarna has been deployed. Incarna 1.0 features CaptainÆs Quarters, the new Nobel Exchange, new graphics and animations for turrets, and a lot more. Please check the patch notes for full details.
Please note that any issues you may encounter with this patch should be directed to the Incarna 1.0 Issues Thread.
Sounds Awesome. But i cant play it yet. When i load the game the EULA comes up with no text in it (On a Mac) and i cant get passed it. Hope the issue gets fixed and hopefully get a compensation
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Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:37:00 -
[509]
Edited by: Shandir on 22/06/2011 13:39:41 To those who think we are being unreasonably negative about Incarna. I have been looking forward to Incarna, the old demo videos looked cool. The new demo video looks cool. I want to play Slay. I want to drink booster shots and do shady deals in dark corners. I want to finally see other pilots out of their ships.
None of these features are in this expansion - the features we've gotten are a very shiny new, but less user-friendly station interface and the removal of the less-pretty but more usable one; a microtransaction store that an overwhelming majority of the playerbase rejected completely, and even those who were in support will not be in support of what we now have, a pathetic selection of items, at insane prices, that NOONE ELSE CAN SEE; And shiny new turrets.
The expansion breaks immersion in several places - *What on earth (Jita?) happened in all of the stations that's going to keep all capsuleers out of all stations for over 6 months? *Why am I getting out of my pod - I don't want to get out of my pod, I'm just getting ammo, damnit. *Matari supremacy aside, I assume we're just supposed to shrug and ignore the fact that every station is now outfitted with Matari quarters.
Lastly, I'm seriously concerned about the rate of progress that makes me feel it is very unlikely that Real Incarna (when we can actually leave our rooms) will be released remotely on time, or with any useful or even interesting features - and I'm concerned about the lack of dev response to overwhelming player feedback and questions about the arbitrary decision to force us to leave our pods at every station.
So I will ask again, as we've been asking since we found out about this fact: Why are you not allowing us to stay in our pods at the station, why is the old interface being competely removed? (To prevent confusion I am not asking about performance, I am not complaining about multi-boxing, and I am not asking about the 'don't load stations' tickbox - I only want to know what reasoning made it impossible to leave the existing feature and add a 'decant' button. Do not evade the question as I have seen you do at least three times.)
Edit: To allay some of the negativity in this post, I will compliment you on the fact that it is very pretty, some of the new windows are very useful, and I am glad you added these features - if I can start to believe you are actually on track to add a WiS that's worth leaving my pod for, I can start to look forward to it again.) -
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:38:00 -
[510]
Ok, after having played around with CQ for a bit, my impression have changed somewhat. It looks pretty darn cool.
Good stuffs:
- The level of detail is simply staggering. Big hugz to the maid that put an ashtray on my bedstand, she got the priorities right.
- The main TV screen is very cool.
- The agent finder is a huge functionality upgrade, just add a tickbox to filter for locator agents.
- Character animations are subtle, but very detailed and smooth.
- Ships look ok, but I'd prefer if they were more to scale. Maybe a zoom option or some binoculars would help to spot tiny frigs in the hangar.
- Runs very smooth on my system, even with 2 clients and all settings on max. Loading time is bearable.
Not so good stuffs:
- The lighting is really bad. There are a few perfect spots where my characters look real, but otherwise their faces are very dark, or they look overly pixelised. Maybe the light needs to be softer.
- Walking is annoying, its just a tad too slow to be practical.
- The whole macrotransaction store thing, I'll let the threadnaught speak for itself.
- And of course the fact that Incarna is almost pointless until our avatars can meet others and interact.
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Exo Cab
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:40:00 -
[511]
My suggestion...
WSAD should stay focused on the character. That way I can keep walking while I look through things. As it is, if I open a window, then try walking, I have to click on a non-info window to regain focus on the character, in order to move him.
uhhh thank ya, thank ya!
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Sloeb
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:40:00 -
[512]
Just wanted to add my voice so as to minimize the "95% of subscribers didn't post, so they must be happy". I can't even log in now without either crashing to desktop, crashing my video driver or bluescreening. Yes, my hardware is a little old, 2.5 year old laptop with Intel graphics. So what? Ran fine before the "upgrade". All I want to do is blow up internet spaceships. I'd ragequit, but since I've been effectively excluded from the game, I'll go quietly.
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Si'Andregal Grungolash
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:40:00 -
[513]
Originally by: N'maro Makari NEWSFLASH
EVE IS NOT ONE-DIMENSIONAL! It is not a WoW clone where the options are "be the best at everything or go bust" Frankly another gameplay dimension is overdue and adds to the world of Eve as a SCI-FI SIMULATOR, not as some run of the mill MMO.
Who exactly are you targetting with this "newsflash"? you seem to have completely failed in understanding what the current issues with incarna and ccp in general are that people are complaining about.
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Kunthea Dara
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:42:00 -
[514]
Right time to start my wall of text
Personally, I'm enjoying Incarna, I love being able to walk down from my ship, chill out on the couch whilst reading all the latest news. Its a nice touch from just being in a ship all the time. I'm running a pretty average machine, Nivida 250GTS, 4 gig of ram and a low end dual core. With that in mind, I'm getting about 30-35 frames per second in CQ, with everything on the highest setting. So a small drop from what I was originally running but nothing game breaking. Regards to the Aurum store, I don't have an issue with it being ridiculously priced, they are vanity items, they have no impact on gameplay. So if people wish to use there ISK or Plex on such items then feel free. I know you guys are going to allow it to be tradeable eventually which will allow it to settle with the economy.
If there was a couple of things I would like to see changed it would be:
Running - Please allow me to move around more than a gentle walk as it is slightly annoying to saunter around. Lighting - I know it's a Minmitar area but still, a bit more lighting would make it look more appealing. Interaction - People have said this but interacting with the Bed or the small objects in CQ would be nice but not a necessity Customization - Not having to take a new picture everytime I customise one of my clones.
I don't see an issue with going in to stations with CQ enabled to fit my ships up either. As when I dock I don't have to engage with CQ fully, I can still click the buttons to my left or right to fit my ships. I can even use shortcuts to get to various windows. There doesn't seem to be much loss in time for me getting in to station, fitting a ship and undocking in to a fight again.
Overall, I'm currently enjoying Incarna, I do look forward to the few optimisations that are due to come and the other CQ's to be released.
Thanks CCP and good luck with the rest of Incarna.
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Exo Cab
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:43:00 -
[515]
oh yea...CQ is not pointless.
As much as you test things, even with test servers, bugs are never fully caught. Not only that, but things like WASD focus, the mouse buttons seem to be inverted...things like that can be adjusted as they roll it out.
This area is brand new for them, within Eve at least. So releasing this portion is perfect for testing live, and gaining feedback.
If someone was going to give me a car, and told me all I had to do was piece it together over time, with them providing the parts...I'd be like damn right.
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Imuran
Zentor Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:43:00 -
[516]
Like the turret effects or the ones I have looked at anyway, like the view turrets in the show info as well. Dislike the new icons and not being able to see them on the target icons unless against a bright background
CQ is Ok but does nothing for me to be honest, turned it off for now as no real content. Would prefer to have the option to have the old hanger view with all its functionality and have the option to leave the ship if I so wish. Could make this a configurable option - you stay in ship or automatically go to CQ. Why start on the balcony now as you have to walk to do anything.
Agent Finder OK but would really benifit from at least a region filter, Im sitting in Sinq Laison and want to see what agents I can use in The Forge - useless for that
NEX prices are a a joke - ok they are vanity items but a monocle the price of a dreadnaught or 4+ months subscription - get real
In all I would say this is a fail release tbh
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:44:00 -
[517]
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 22/06/2011 13:45:19 Just posting to agree with everything that Soden Rah and Akita T have said (and have been saying for weeks, but were ignored by CCP).
This patch is pathetic, CCP. Yes, this is the opinion of someone who was looking forward to Incarna and walking in stations. You gave us a mandatory walking in a single lore-breaking box. Goodbye immersion, you were a nice idea but ultimately the bizdev dept. won the coin toss!
Edit: The turrets are cool though, well done! Glad to see that you can do something right in this very very wrong patch.
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Alex Pier
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:45:00 -
[518]
I posted before, obviously pointing out the the "negatives" of the specific release, like everybody else, but I wouldn't say that all this development was a waste of time!
Everybody that I have talked to was excited for walking in stations and many people still are! Was the specific release what the community expected? NO! But it is a step of CCP figuring out how to make Incarna work for a whole station. When we eventually get there there are going to be a lot of station dwellers and there are going to be many to do within the station (I believe..).
We have to be patient and not spoiled! At least CCP releases updates and new content for free... The WOW victims have to pay $30 - $40 dollars a year on top of their subscription to get new content!
As I said my only complain is that I do not have the choice of going back to the old hangar, that the new turret icons look horrible (the actual animations are brilliant) and that CCP hasn't responded to the community's negative reaction.
I am sure CCP will eventually get there. We have to be patient and CCP needs to give us the choice of CQ or not until everything works as tehy are supposed to.
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Distromon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:46:00 -
[519]
First of all, I can only speak for PVE not PVP. Also, I can run CQ without issue on my desktop, and its low end version on my laptop.
Little Background: I originally joined EVE during the Quantum Rise expansion. The Apoc expansion forced me out of eve because the computer I had at the time was a worthless 2003 model. (So I can relate to the people having lag issues with CQ) I got an upgrade to my computer and rejoined during the Dominion expansion and have been playing since.
When I first turned on Incarna (having already dabbed a bit in the test server before hand) I sat down on my couch and managed my corp (wonderful upgrade by the way). After putting up an ad and letting in some new recruits, I soon found an issue with CQ. A few of my corp members couldn't run it.
For a good many players on eve the game goes as follows: Start game, gawk at ship, spin ship, undock, shoot something, come back, spin ship.....and it keeps going. Not many people are playing for the communitive experience this patch is aiming at.
The old view was working, no one said, "This is stupid I can only see my ship and not my guy." They were saying, "I wonder what it would be like to see my guy."
I may have imagined this, but I do believe someone said we would be able to return to the old hanger view if we didn't like CQ. But that could be my insanity talking.
The old interface worked, no one I know complained about it. Don't just throw away something that worked for something that still has issues (and there are issues). Just give the community the option to switch back to the old view. It is not a step backwards, it is a compromise. CCP says that they pride themselves on listening to their players, here is your chance.
By the way, nice expansion, loving it.
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Toscaria
Amarr Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:48:00 -
[520]
I won't be loading station environments until you give us the old hangar back. I will enter the CQ when I choose to, thank you very ****ing much.
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N'maro Makari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:48:00 -
[521]
Edited by: N''maro Makari on 22/06/2011 13:49:50
Originally by: Si'Andregal Grungolash
Originally by: N'maro Makari NEWSFLASH
EVE IS NOT ONE-DIMENSIONAL! It is not a WoW clone where the options are "be the best at everything or go bust" Frankly another gameplay dimension is overdue and adds to the world of Eve as a SCI-FI SIMULATOR, not as some run of the mill MMO.
Who exactly are you targetting with this "newsflash"? you seem to have completely failed in understanding what the current issues with incarna and ccp in general are that people are complaining about.
Who I am aiming at are people who are being unduly negative, and calling for the whole project to be put off. People who are leaving negative feedback, appreciated that this is a feedback thread, but no suggestions. People who are soley concerned with "blowing up internet spaceships" which is perfectly acceptable, but focusing solely on that is to show critical misunderstanding of what EVE is.
If you look in the earlier posts, you will see that I do indeed make my issues known with it, and belive me there are issues, but the fact that the thread exists is a sign that CCP has not abandonned us. Does everyone honestly expect CCP to make a final verdict in the first few days?
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Amarr Slayarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:49:00 -
[522]
I hate all the damn patch's when I download the new patch if fails time after time now I have wasted all my 100Gb download I get a month cant play shaped so I'm out I QUIT.. plus I lost my succubus to a game crash not happy time to play something else..
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Exo Cab
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:50:00 -
[523]
I have a question...how many more years are we going to live before intense gamers learn how game development works.
There is not a SINGLE game that is bug free...and there hasnt been ONE expansion pack that has ever been released bug free.
It is literally impossible for every single condition to be tested. Some bugs don't pop up for years because the conditions are so rare, or that content simply isn't accessed a lot. Some bugs appear during the live roll out...
Some bugs werent even seen as bugs until it affected the live system in a way it couldnt have affected a low population setting.
If you are going to be THIS into your game, then at least stop being ignorant about the amount of time and hard work put into them...
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N'maro Makari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:52:00 -
[524]
Originally by: Exo Cab I have a question...how many more years are we going to live before intense gamers learn how game development works.
There is not a SINGLE game that is bug free...and there hasnt been ONE expansion pack that has ever been released bug free.
It is literally impossible for every single condition to be tested. Some bugs don't pop up for years because the conditions are so rare, or that content simply isn't accessed a lot. Some bugs appear during the live roll out...
Some bugs werent even seen as bugs until it affected the live system in a way it couldnt have affected a low population setting.
If you are going to be THIS into your game, then at least stop being ignorant about the amount of time and hard work put into them...
Agreed, the idea that you can go straight from Beta, consisting of a few hundred players, to fully live on a server consisting of several thousand players without any issue is a pipe dream at best.
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:52:00 -
[525]
Originally by: Jonny Copper
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist EVE Online: Incarna has been deployed. Incarna 1.0 features CaptainÆs Quarters, the new Nobel Exchange, new graphics and animations for turrets, and a lot more. Please check the patch notes for full details.
Please note that any issues you may encounter with this patch should be directed to the Incarna 1.0 Issues Thread.
Sounds Awesome. But i cant play it yet. When i load the game the EULA comes up with no text in it (On a Mac) and i cant get passed it. Hope the issue gets fixed and hopefully get a compensation
Did you "fix" the broken fonts before the patch? I had this issue because the patch deleted the Arial.ttf and Arialuni.ttf from the app bundle. I'd previously replaced the fonts in the app bundle with the OS X Arial font so I'd get proper unicode and hi-ascii in game. Re-copied the font to the bundle, deleted the fontcache and everything worked.
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Frozen Guardian
Registered Amateur Mathematicians
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:09:00 -
[526]
The controls for moving around just don't seem right and not very responsive. Also I need a sprint feature or hope one gets implemented by the time stations roll out.
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Deidranna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:10:00 -
[527]
Came home from night shift this morning. "hm, lets check the forums." rabbleSuckrabblequitrageCCPcancelrabblerage "Ok, same as always." and went to bed.
Woke up, had coffees, patched Eve, the 1st loading took a min. And then, i had a smile, a big one. Thank you CCP
D.
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Jonny Copper
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:17:00 -
[528]
Any idea when CCP is coming out with the update so i can log-in to eve and not just launch it and watch it not work?
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Darth Gilligan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:17:00 -
[529]
You know I was just thinking what this game really needs is another interface that adds nothing to the game, sucks up all my system resources, add 1 more screen to load. is a pain to use, and add just that much more time that I have to wait before I can actually play the game. God help you if you try to run more that 1 client on the same PC, because your box will quickly grind to a halt and will be so resource bound that you won't even be able to close the client windows. Please add a opt out for this worthless POC.
God I hope KOTOR launches soon.
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NekoKitten
Gallente Dawizz Mining Corp Inc LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:18:00 -
[530]
Found bugs so far:
* I'm not able to chat in the Alliance chat, all other chat windows do work. Even shuffling them around doesnt make it go away. Its not a very handy feature ;)
* When entering a fleet you dont see your mates in local change their availability icon to fleet member (the lil purple icon next to the name)
* I cant spin my ship in the hangar when in CQ view, although that was promised to be included a long long while ago. No biggie, but still ..
* I cant walk down the stairs to my pod.
Greetz, Neko
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Deadly Dealer
Minmatar POP NAVY
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:20:00 -
[531]
I was willing to give CCP the benefit of the doubt about Incarna but now my worst fears have been realised.
It seems I was right CCP have lost their way and are more interested in using Eve and its playerbase to pay for the development of their other "projects" rather than provide the content and fixes that the upgrades are supposed to provide.
Walking in stations and Character generator tool have nothing to do with "Internet Spaceships" and seems more about Dust 514 and WOD MMO development via the back door Carbon technology says it all.
What were CCP thinking about with Turret animations, most of the time I have all graphic effects off to reduce lag, and all fleet fights you are zoomed out anyway, and if you are in small gang pvp the last thing you are doing is watching ôcoolö turret animations.
I donÆt want to play ôDress Up in spaceö but have nothing against those that do, however introducing an MT store to enable it breaks the whole spirit of EveÆs subscription model. I am paying you monthly in return you give free upgrades to your game. Having part of the ôfreeö upgrade be an MT store feels like I am paying you to mug me.
However at your prices and conversion rates I can safely say you wont be getting an Aurum from me, even if I had been interested in the first place. As to the content why are female clothes more expensive in the store than male ones and in an egalitarian future why do we have a distinction anyway. As to prices were you Drunk ? Monocles for 12000 Aurum on a 3500 plex conversion rate, at nearly 4 plex per monocle thatÆs around 1.6b isk or nearly $60 how many do you think are going to sell. I really hope Aurum conversions are zero and that a biz dev guy (hopefully the 3rd pp licence $99 one) has to go and tell Hilmar that.
This Noble Exchange seems more about creating a mechanism in game for aquiring payments, following your Dust 514 PS3 announcement and the fact that you have said Dust will be free after an initial payment to play the game. Somehow I donÆt think Dust 514 store will be selling cosmetic dress up items, I think it will be free ôpointy stickö or $40 Plasma Gun.
CCP you are alienating your player base, some of the things you are proposing for walking in stations have some potential, but not if we have to pay for them in or via the Noble Exchange.
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achoura
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:21:00 -
[532]
Seems that when they were removing transparency from the HUD they decided to add ambient light reflections instead i.e. sun. Obviously it's a vast improvement but whoever did this does not seem to understand the concept of visibility. We can now read our ships status at a glance but it's no longer a glance. Fly around a bit and you notice you're glancing down simply because there's a change in colour. ***The EVE servers and their patches***
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Commander Amraw
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:23:00 -
[533]
When I asked in a petition 2 month ago when will it be impossible to play the game beacause of the 3.0 SM the ccp told me not to worry, I will be able to play it even on old systems with 2.0MS Well guess what happend? Now I need to buy almost new PC to run the game
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Jonny Copper
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:27:00 -
[534]
If only CCP could add the text in the EULA on the mac version, the problem would be fixed... Its been almost 24 hours and had 2 client updates that didn't do ****.
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Nabuch Sattva
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:29:00 -
[535]
Edited by: Nabuch Sattva on 22/06/2011 14:35:38
Originally by: Jet Burns Edited by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 05:55:00 Edited by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 03:47:17 Edited 20 times by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 03:06:27
** ITEM 1 - Sense of scale is gone.
I remember CCP announcement that "a fix" to bring small ships to the foreground would allow people to see their detail. Well, in doing so, you just borked all sense of scale.
A Caldari Shuttle is sans a bit smaller then a Raven. You can't see depth in 2D, so you see the center round thingy stage in the middle of the hanger and that indicates the center. But the ships are no longer located at that point. Your devs great idea to show small ships have moved the small ships closer to the platform, and thus, scale is now messed up. Place your finger close to your nose and it fills half the world. Take the same finger at arms length and you can't cover the moon.
Suggestion: Allow for a free camera in the ship's hanger as an "option". Allow the user to switch camera "modes" that is centered on the ship (just as you do in space). How cool would it be to see yourself in the distance looking back upon your ship. *** THIS will also allow us to spin our ships to our hearts content, and yes, we are discontented you took an Eve-Online Mime away from us. Restore it. This new camera mode would do much for that sense of scale, and allow people to zoom up on their tiny ships.
^^ THIS THIS THIS. I mean for the love of god =)
And on another note i think we should scrap liquid filled pod and go for Clear Skyes style pilots. We run for the pod when ship is about to blow. Then, maybe, we can visit the bridge of our ships in the future, (hint, hint).
ONE MORE THING: When turning off station view we should go back to spinning ships and not to that terrible 2d backdrop. C'mon CCP don't let us down!
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:31:00 -
[536]
Captain's Quarters:
* Make 2 fixed-position shortcut buttons: one you can click on to make you go sit on the couch, the other to have you go to balcony in front of holographic ship. Positioning yourself at the right spot each time gets tiresome real fast.
* "Why do you make me walk to a certain range before I can activate a button. Just allow us to click it. (I know you want to enforce space and us moving in 3d, but really, not in our quarters)."
Mining:
* Absolutely need the sound of the mining lasers back! Now you just hear them on activation only. Very bad.
Vanity store:
* Items are ridiculously expensive.
* New Clothes in 'Aurum' store look horrible. Their grey metalic, 'do-the-robot' dull look is just plain awful. Looks like you had some colorblind, '5-bucks-an-hour' designer whip up something in the late hours. I expected sparkling, colorful, fashionable clothes. None of that. No way in hell I'm ever gonna pay $70 bucks for vanity clothes that look far worse than anything you get for free in your regular wardrobe. Needs urgent fixing. --
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Yatta Vyatta Usoko
Minmatar Magnat Sp. z o.o.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:34:00 -
[537]
When disabling CQ, I don't know what is my active ship. It's really bad...
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Fark
Gallente Whitmore Extraction and Production
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:35:00 -
[538]
This is very disappointing, everyone in a player chat room i'm in has turned CQ off, and what is worse you get a picture of an airlock. Just give back the hanger view, this appears to be the most pointless update i have ever seen. Why would i want to look at my avatar? We had the pictures for that. |
Kail Toronus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:37:00 -
[539]
Ok, so here is the biggest issue I'm seeing and hearing from the group I play with currently.
1. CQ is mainly just fluff, adds nothing to the game itself and is more or less aimed at a completely different group of people, namely people who DON'T play Eve. I highly doubt people will start playing the game now simply because they can see their pilot avatar and move around in a single room or two.
2. Performance: I have a fairly good machine, but unless I want to go back to only running 1 client of Eve at a time I HAVE to turn CQ off.. the amount of system resources CQ soaks up is INSANE!!! I can run 2 Clients with CQ turned off maintain 60 FPS on both clients and only use maybe 30% cpu. If I turn CQ on at all for even just 1 client suddenly my FPS drops by half and my cpu usage jumps to 80%. Considering a large majority of Eve have 2 or more accounts this is rather risky. You can't expect the better portion of your player base to run out and buy brand new machines because of fluff. It's one thing to launch a brand new game and set system requirements at a certain level. It is a completely different thing to tell you few hundred thousand current clients that if they want to enjoy the game they've been playing for years they HAVE to buy a brand new top of the line machine to run more than one client. Sure, I could go back to playing just one client on one machine, but then I guess I have little to no reason to keep my other five accounts open.
3. NeX Store: Lawl, I'm still waiting for the rick roll video to start playing.
4. Turrets: Got this one right CCP and for that I give you props on this area. Whichever group or team did this needs a raise and should be put in charge of the other aspects of your future expansions, while their at it have them do with missiles what they've done with turrets.
Wrapping things up I'd say that had this been just a normal update, minus the system resource hogging going on, this would be an average at best update. However, for the amount of hype and time put into this full blown expansion, even if it's only a portion of it, this fails to meet the mark of something I'd call a success for a game update or expansion. Typically an expansion should ADD to the game, about the only thing that I'd consider a true addition to the game of Eve, you know that whole flying in space and shooting stuff, was the turret change which you did do right. The rest of this was fluff and not even good fluff at that and most of it feels like a massive money grab from CCP who has already made a lot of money off their player base.
CCP please rethink your approach to making your players feel like a number who is just lining the pockets of a bunch of wannabe viking business executives. Avoid the mistakes of the countless companies before you who collapse when they made their clients/customers feel worthless. Longevity has proven to provide more profit over time than the get rick quick ideas ever have and this is proven time and time again every day in the real business world.
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Nabuch Sattva
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:39:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Yatta Vyatta Usoko When disabling CQ, I don't know what is my active ship. It's really bad...
^^ THEY DIDN'T THINK OF THIS FOR SURE!!
turning off CQ should equal OLD HANGER!! (spinning ships).
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Shasz
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:41:00 -
[541]
Oof.
You guys really need to hire a UI usability expert - you hired economists for the Eve economy, how about some love for the people who actually have to try and use this interface?
1) 1st/3rd person games have existed for decades, it's ok to jump on the bandwagon and mimic their movement and camera usage. People expect a certain feel these days. Also, why does the mouse-scroll zoom opposite in CQ vs in space? Scrolling back zooms out in one, it zooms in closer in the other (at least I think it did - it was early and I was low on coffee this morning)
2) The old hangar and ship windows and stuff clutter the CQ view, and keep stealing focus, making everything hard to use. Simply overlaying what we've always had over the CQ interface was a lazy way to go and breaks the immersion.
3) Speaking of breaking the immersion - when we're in CQ, why are we still technically in a ship when it comes to clone jumping?
4) The little hologram of what ship is active is nifty, but if I'm not looking at my coffee table, how am I supposed to see what ship is active? And why can't I drag-drop a ship to the interface anymore to make it active? More clunky interface melding residue.
5) Aurum - Or-NOT-um! Those prices are a great scam - very EVE-like there! :)
6) I gotta agree with majority opinions here - keep the old in-ship and in-hangar interface and give a "Exit my pod" button to jump cleanly and COMPLETELY into CQ - leaving behind the regular Eve windows and interface. You can't have 2 interfaces.
7) Turrets - I'm hoping some rhyme or reason will appear eventually, but so far I just see a lot of new models that I have to learn. I can sorta tell each type apart, but the instant ability to tell if its a S/M/L gun, and long or short range - meh, that's been lost for the moment. The animations are pretty though :)
8) I actually have an alt that flies a Maller - nice model. Wants Moar.
9) The agent finder looked like it could be useful - same with corp finder. I'm not in the market for either so I didn't explore too far, sorry.
10) My wife's laptop won't even load CQ (Dell M70, nVidia quadro FX go1400), even on lowest settings - thanks for the headaches. Now I gotta go update drivers and try to optimize everything again. I'll probably end up buying a new machine soon though. I used to dual-box on that laptop 18 months ago... Le sigh.
Please to be fixing it CCP? I really wanted to like this patch, but beyond the cool login screen, I don't yet. ___________________________________
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Graw Rayes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:41:00 -
[542]
Originally by: Fark This is very disappointing, everyone in a player chat room i'm in has turned CQ off, and what is worse you get a picture of an airlock. Just give back the hanger view, this appears to be the most pointless update i have ever seen. Why would i want to look at my avatar? We had the pictures for that.
Well it sure was kinda pointless. And it remains pointless if only thing we can do is play one game in a bar and drink virtual beer. They should release the station enviroment with infiltration or what ever FPS style missions.
When i first logged in to the Captains Quarters I wanted to go and do stuff. But naturally there was nothing to be done. And if the walk in stations is just that A feature of walking.. it's even more pointlesss use of resources. we need to be able to do stuff in the stations.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:42:00 -
[543]
Ships and hanger are out of scale. A battleship should be bigger than a canal barge. Maller was fine looking ship, now looks like something 40k orks cobbled together out of scrap. When I board ship from orca bay, the ship I was in would go in bay, now it floats in space. Mining laser were awesome, now there just meh. Noble exchange is a joke, April 1st was 2 months ago. WE NEED LESS CQ(captains quarters) AND MORE QC quality control. And for gawds sake put some money in the meter and turn the bloody lights on
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Trinity Lux
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:46:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Toscaria I won't be loading station environments until you give us the old hangar back. I will enter the CQ when I choose to, thank you very ****ing much.
^^ THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.. WHY MAKE PEOPLE MAD CCP? Where the spinning hanger that we used to pass so much time in?
Ship proportions are terrible for the smaller ships. Whats the point..
The turrets are awesome though.
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Martin Lloydd
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:49:00 -
[545]
Quite honestly, I'm impressed.
Sure there isn't a large amount to this patch, but I like what little is there. I've been playing EVE almost since the beginning... the turrets really needed an upgrade and - heck - maybe the changes to the turrets is going to pave the way for SHIPS changing into "combat configuration"... like when X-Wings go into combat mode... they were going to do that with ships at one point...
Anyways, it may be devoid of too many features right now, but it paves the way. Hope to see more extensions to the WiS stuff soon, otherwise it really will feel pointless. I think I can be satisfied with the "Oh shiny!!" aspect for a little while. If they implement things like Corporation common areas and ****, I can see that having some potential... otherwise... for shame...
Also, neat touch seeing the pot all opened up and awaiting the pilot. I like.
CPU utilization of the client has VASTLY improved.
The clothes, though... really? What are you guys smoking? It must be something from my stash... shame on you for stealing!!!
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Miranda Elantra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:50:00 -
[546]
So, 6 months of development time and what did we get with Incarna - let's see:
- Captain's Quarters - A tech demo for the new WoD MMO. The animations are lackluster, there are strange graphical bugs (what's with the shadows on my character's face?), the controls are abysmal, and it takes a non-trivial amount of time to load. It adds no functionality that isn't easier to do using the old menus. Only minmatar version is available (heh, like we'll ever see the other races)
- Noble Store - $60 monocles. 'nuff said.
- Jump Bridge Nerf - Oh good, another kick in the balls for the average 0.0 player. With risk/reward already so out of whack with safe empire alternatives, making life more miserable for the guy trying to earn enough to pay for his PVP ships is certainly the best way to make 0.0 more dynamic. This change wouldn't have been terrible as part of an overhaul of 0.0, but in isolation it's just adding insult to injury after the sanctum nerf.
- New turrets - I'm willing to accept that the dudes who do the graphics are a different design team than the ones implementing game design changes. Cosmetic changes are nice, I guess.
- Cormorant lights blink - Woo!
- New maller - I guess it looks kinda nice - can't say I've ever flown one before.
6 months of development time for all of this. Not a single fix to make Gallente suck less (in fact, drone boats took a decent sized nerf in PVE!). Not a single adjustment to supercapitals. Not a single change to make holding space worthwhile. Not a single fix for the technetium bottleneck.
What the hell were you guys thinking?
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Raabe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:51:00 -
[547]
feedback about "insana 1.0" - failed!
the game runs jerky. lags every time (in missions, while mining, or trading, and it has extrem long loading times when docking at a station, or starting the hole game.
captians housing looks great - BUT it takes to much time to load and it is absolutly useless! who needs that? and not every gamer has a high-end-pc that can handle this cpu/gpu overload!
the new turret effects are bugged and displaced. for example the cyclone bc, or armageddon bs. and this new gun thingis costs cpu/gpu/server work too?!
CCP, PLEASE MAKE A OPTION TO SWITCH BACK TO THE OLD STATION ENVIROMENT, AND/OR TO THE OLD TURRET FX!!! big thx.
some new bugs/features: - light warrior t2 drones now sounds like the 425mm ac. - to be logged into the game and logging in the eve-side or forum,at the same time is no more possible
greetings, (still want a roll-back to rmr :)
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pat bolo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:53:00 -
[548]
please remove the following :
1 asthray on coffee table 1 ashtray near my bed 3 ashtrays on the right of the shelf
i don't need this to smoke STOP apology of drug and put some exotic dancers instead because sex apology is better for our health.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:56:00 -
[549]
time to start all over.
want to sub original eve online space ship related game
the one without all this ccp created rmt vanity bloatware crap the one where internet spaceships was serious business the one where bug fixing not bug creation was priority over unnecessary useless features.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:58:00 -
[550]
- Turrets look nice on the ships, sometimes look quite small on bigger ships though.
- The turret icon next to the target tile lacks defination and looks blob like.
- The CQ are quite hard on my graphics card even on the lowest settings, to put into perspective I use about 50% GPU when in space with all settings on high bar anti-aliasing and shadow quality which are disabled. In CQ even on the lowest settings my GPU usgae is sitting above 90%. I'm using an NVIDIA GeForce GTS 240 and have the game in windowed mode at a resolution of 2048x1090 on a dual monitor set-up. I had hoped performance might be comparable with that of in space.
- Walking around in the CQ is a little slow, a run function would be nice. Also I personally would find it nice to start sat on the chair since the only thing that really interests me at the moment is the screens and it's slow to walk to them when first docking.
- Even on the highest setting the lighting on my avatars face looks a little odd, getting harsh edges around lips and eyelids. Was looking at his face when sat down.
- New Maller looks nice, to be honest quite liked the smooth curves of the old one but new one looks smart too, looks meaner . Don't know whether I need to clear my cache but I currently get the icon showing up as the old Maller design.
- Was left shocked at the prices in the Noble Exchange, I expect the transactions to be a little more micro rather than more expensive than their real world counterparts. I think the fact PLEX were being divided into 3,500 AURUM left me and perhaps other feeling that those divisions were indicative of the granularity required for the small payment items would go for. With the current cost you may as well have just broke up PLEX into 100 AURUM and reduced prices. I think smaller price points would have made the items accessible to a greater number of people and probably made you more money rather than just catering for a wealthy few, kinda like Ferrari vs Ford where Ferrari may be a more exclusive produce but Ford makes more money.
- New agent finder is a great addition, would be nice if it would react to being resized by adding more rows/columns so more agents were visible at once where there was room to display them.
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Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:59:00 -
[551]
I laugh at everyone who rages because they can't spin around their ship anymore. That's ridiculously irrelevant and only reveals the real whiner who will rage about ANY change. If you're that bored, just play with your balls. Hint: You can still rotate around your ships in space.
That being said, Incarna won't make sense to me until I can DO stuff in 3D, like missions and PvP. And when that happens, it will have nothing to do with EVE as we know it, it will be like a separate game added to the one that exists now. Which doesn't have to be a bad thing. Anyways, that day is probably still very far away.
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john roe
BearingPoint
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:59:00 -
[552]
+ was semi-impressed by the size of my CNR in hangar. pretty big SoB
- EVERYTHING ELSE.
seriously. everything. you guys are nuts.
ps.
i love JEWS. :] i really do. thanks to them and monetary system we dont have 15B+ ppl on this planet but only 7B atm. so thanks again. i LOVE JEWS!
will this account get banned as well on forums?
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dgastuffz
Caldari Hell's Revenge
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:09:00 -
[553]
no contend for my playstyle ( FW in low sec )worst patch since i play eve i am disappointed
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Yaleph naZaxhan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:10:00 -
[554]
Does anyone else find the CQ too dark to see in? Not too bad on my PC, but on my MAcBook it's too dark to use. I can barely make it out and that's with the brightness full up on the screen...
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Mazza
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:10:00 -
[555]
After playing this game for nigh on 8 years I have to sign up with the vast majority that are hammering Incarna.
Downloaded patch logged in took 1 look logged off. Logged back on then turned station enviroments off in the menu. Wont be putting it back on again either. As nice and shiney as it is it's completly pointless. Spaceships is the game we want to play not walking around in a station.
Please do us all a favour and patch in the spinning ships when u have station enviroment turned off. You'll make quite a few people happy with that, because looking at that damm airlock door is dismal.
I've never been a fan of all the stuff CCP have done to the game in years gone by but you just suck it up and get on with it. I'm not throwing my teddy out the pram like others doing the same old "cancel your sub shouts" you wanna do that leave me your stuff before you go. I know there's more to come on this but its really going to have to be out of this world to get any interest from myself.
one of the channels i sit in has 7 players in it about 20 accounts nobody likes Incarna and everyone's turned if off. So far i'm finding more peeps with it off than on.
Your vanity prices are insane totally off the mark too. The word Greedy is getting banded about lots at mo.
This is a really terrible upgrade CCP hard work went into this but its just not what people want.
Again patch back in spinning ships please.
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Tek Gold
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:13:00 -
[556]
Overall I'm pretty impressed.
But there's one graphical thing I'm not happy about: I hoped to be able to retract the turrets by pressing a button. Seeing them retract only when I warp or put them offline is disappointing.
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Yaleph naZaxhan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:16:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Mazza Again patch back in spinning ships please.
Personally I couldn't give a flying f**k about spinning ships, but I would like to be able to turn up the lights...
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Archaicc
RennTech Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:17:00 -
[558]
Simply LOVE it. Can't wait for the next part to come out! :D
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Arcadian Warror
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:18:00 -
[559]
I AGREE WORST UPDATE/PATCH EVER. CQ IS ALOAD OF TOSH POINTLESS, MAYBE SORT OUT OTHER ISSUES INSTEAD OF ADDING NEW CONTENT. AND YES I AM CURRENTLY RUNNING AN OUTDATED GFX CARD APPARENTLY.
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Mechanoid Kryten
Humble Origins Red Dwarf Racketeering Division
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:24:00 -
[560]
I know a guy who is quitting eve over this who posted on this thread so id like to say that there are many casual players that don't do the forum thing that like much of this expansion. If the aurum store doesn't have anything that is like the old minmatar robot suit kryten was born with it doesn't concern me.. but I welcome the isk sink for that incusion free isk.
I am just relieved that I still have a game to playthat is not totally broken after this large patch. Congratz on that. Maybe I'm happy and he is not because my expectations were so low and his sohigh.
I wil post issues on issues thread and I am glad you didn't leave minig lazers turrets out of expansion...but I am wondering why I am mining rocks... with... other rocks.
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Alvia Siv
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:28:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Nabuch Sattva
turning off CQ should equal OLD HANGER!! (spinning ships).
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH CCP I can not for the life of me understand why it is not so, have been trying to find an explanation from devs the past few hours and there's nothing. Please, someone, any ideas? It seems so stupid it completely beats me
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Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:29:00 -
[562]
You know, I really do like the idea of this, but there are some serious problems. A lot of this has already been said.
It needs to be optional, and there is no reason to get rid of spinning ships. I will use my CA but only when I want to.
You need to fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware. I have no idea why the game is causing so much CPU and GPU strain, but that's unacceptable. I damn near lost my graphics card last night.
Vanity items prices. Are you ******ed?
Do not lose sight of the fact that you're an internet spaceship game maker. I appreciate what you're trying to do with the whole eve universe and whatnot, but really your focus needs to be on spaceships. ---
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:31:00 -
[563]
Originally by: Alvia Siv
Originally by: Nabuch Sattva
turning off CQ should equal OLD HANGER!! (spinning ships).
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH CCP I can not for the life of me understand why it is not so, have been trying to find an explanation from devs the past few hours and there's nothing. Please, someone, any ideas? It seems so stupid it completely beats me
Explanation is easy: immersion. Having two completely different ship hangars is breaking immersion immensely. --
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Shaman Feynman
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:32:00 -
[564]
Here's some feedback for ya ccp. If this has been mentioned already, forgive me, I didn't feel like reading through 19 pages of comments :P I don't know about the rest of you, but the character creator and captain's quarters both have <5fps on high settings. It's manageable on low settings, but still, captain's quarters is the source of all my current troubles with EVE. So here is my suggestion:
The following two things would make my personal EVE experience infinitely better:
1. The option to use the old station setting (no captain's quarters). Or! Even better, have the option of zooming out of captains quarters to the old station setting (i.e.: ship hangar), where you can see yourself on the docking bay next to your ship! (Like the first reply in the thread) And make sure (!) there is a way for us to preset it so you can either dock in the captain's quarters or the ship hangar. Hope that makes sense.
2. The ability to control the graphics settings of the captain's quarters and space separately (i.e.: allow us to have low settings in captain's quarters and high settings out in space). My computer runs fine on high settings when I'm in space, all my problems are associated with the Captain's Quarters. In light of suggestion 1., you might even have Captain's Quarters settings and Space/Ship Hangar settings.
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Bata Kameni
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:32:00 -
[565]
I would like to know if the company is tracking how many players have the station walk turned OFF. (there is a number of people who don't know how to, still)
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:35:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Alvia Siv
Originally by: Nabuch Sattva
turning off CQ should equal OLD HANGER!! (spinning ships).
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH CCP I can not for the life of me understand why it is not so, have been trying to find an explanation from devs the past few hours and there's nothing. Please, someone, any ideas? It seems so stupid it completely beats me
Explanation is easy: immersion. Having two completely different ship hangars is breaking immersion immensely.
I beg to differ. I find it immersion-breaking to be forced out of pod on docking. Old hangar + exit pod button -> CQ would fit better with the backstory, IMHO.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:36:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Illadelph Justice
You need to fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware. I have no idea why the game is causing so much CPU and GPU strain, but that's unacceptable. I damn near lost my graphics card last night.
Please, CCP, do NOT 'fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware.' People with crappy hardware should just lower their graphical settings. Period.
As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I *love* the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please. --
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john roe
BearingPoint
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:41:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Illadelph Justice
You need to fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware. I have no idea why the game is causing so much CPU and GPU strain, but that's unacceptable. I damn near lost my graphics card last night.
Please, CCP, do NOT 'fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware.' People with crappy hardware should just lower their graphical settings. Period.
As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I *love* the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please.
take a walk, mate...
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:42:00 -
[569]
I`m impressed....
By how ****ty this expansion was.
CQ, what a joke!! Turned it off asap.
Unscannable ships, **** implementation from your side. Have nothing against being able to be scanned down, but you should seriously have fixed the way scanning works before implementing this adjustment. Fighting at range is no longer a viable tactic, as you will be scanned down in 5 seconds.
Blob > Everything else
One single thing I liked, jump bridge changes, that's basically it.
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Jerewan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:43:00 -
[570]
I Noticed today that I accidentally target objects when I press ctrl+space to stop the ship or look at things when activating my MWD with alt+F1.
I'm quite sure this was not the case before. Is it just me? Maybe I lost one +int implant
So i disabled those keys, maybe i should remap them to something else.
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Ste'ven Sch'orik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:46:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Illadelph Justice
You need to fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware. I have no idea why the game is causing so much CPU and GPU strain, but that's unacceptable. I damn near lost my graphics card last night.
Please, CCP, do NOT 'fix the crushing heat problems in the hardware.' People with crappy hardware should just lower their graphical settings. Period.
As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I *love* the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please.
Please ignore the self-centered scumbag. As for Incarna... Now my gpu is overheating even on lowest graphical settings. No actual improvement graphically in anything other than turrets and somehow my gpu is overheating when just before this patch it was running fine. What the heck did yall do in order for this to happen! I'll be lucky if I can even run a single mission. WTH CCP. WTH! ________________________________________________
Roses are red and violets are blue, you shoot at me and you will die too. |
Prokyn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:48:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Archaicc Simply LOVE it. Can't wait for the next part to come out! :D
Me too. I love it.
What is wrong? -Lights. Too dark. -Slow walking -Camera
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Alvia Siv
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:48:00 -
[573]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Alvia Siv
Originally by: Nabuch Sattva
turning off CQ should equal OLD HANGER!! (spinning ships).
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH CCP I can not for the life of me understand why it is not so, have been trying to find an explanation from devs the past few hours and there's nothing. Please, someone, any ideas? It seems so stupid it completely beats me
Explanation is easy: immersion. Having two completely different ship hangars is breaking immersion immensely.
And the bulkhead 2D JPG is more immersive? *facepalm*
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electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 -
[574]
Where is the STATION INFORMATION in the STATION SERVICES window?
is this a bug? because if it isn't, it needs to be returned (and if it is, it better be fixed!). How else am I going to know who owns the station? or if I docked at the right station? why was this even considered removing?
I'm not going to walk very slowly (read: at top speed) over to the hanger where my ship is, turn around to look at the small obscured icon above the doorway I just walked through to see the logo, which is much smaller and harder to read than it was where it was before on the station services window. ― Vexo M > He turned the drives up to 11 |
S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 -
[575]
If you want CCP to listen:
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Dallenn
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:56:00 -
[576]
Captain's Quarters
Quite happy with this, wasn't really expecting much more from the first dose of Incarna and it seems fairly smooth at this point. I like how this adds a new graphical dimension to the game (think about fanvids and the like) and I'm looking forward to where you can take this feature. What we need next is just a little bit of customization, like lights and how messy my quarters looks (pizza boxes, dirty underwear... you get the idea). And why on earth is there QUAFE in my quarters??? I drink STARSI, STARSI do you get it??? Sigh.
Noble Store
Well it's quite obvious that this is the business case for introducing WiS. Keeping that in mind, the prices are kinda ok. You just have to consider if the items really are that stylish, and cater to different tastes, eg. us roleplayers. I really miss my family collar from the previous 7 years and would like it back. Also not all players are going to buy prop items costing $10 or so - you'll need to offer items at a way lower cost of aurum to make profit out of the deep end of the player barrel.
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People's elbow
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:59:00 -
[577]
I WANT THE INCARNA OFF BUTON !!! +100000000000000000
I WANT YOU TO FIX THE GAME IT WAS BEFORE INCARNA +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Temuken Radzu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:00:00 -
[578]
Quit whining you bunch of morons... For Years you have asked for walking in stations, now it is finaly there and the only thing you can complain about is that you miss the ship spinning and the little lag and the fact you can only walk in one room... Have some faith, CCP isnt blind you know. It is just the very beginning of Incarna... we will get more and it will get better.
JUST STOP WHINING AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE!!!!
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 -
[579]
The having to load the station environment every time I dock has made me switch to using my POS as a more time efficient living situation.
The lighting suck in the station, everytime I try to recustomize my face the game crashes and I am running a 240GTS 1Gig
And half the time I open a planet in PI the game crashes. I have run the repair tool twice so I know its not my client.
Oh, and 4 PLEX's for a vanity item, even if I was going to buy that stupid crap, I would tell you to shove it after I saw that. That thing better make my package super huge or you can gtfo.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 -
[580]
CCP, why were the old Tutorial_Agents who gave the mission 'The Endless Battle' removed from the game? That's 15 agents for each of the 4 main Factions. Total = 60 agents.
They were a good source for gaining Faction standing, even if it was just a small amount.
What's the matter, you guys don't like my Faction Standing Repair Plan?
Besides the removal of those agents and adding more lag, Incarna/Captains Quarters is cool.
I like the direction this game is heading. One step closer to a virtual Universe simulation.
DMC
P.S. Please give those agents a raise in pay and bring them back out of retirement.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:02:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Temuken Radzu Quit whining you bunch of morons... For Years you have asked for walking in stations, now it is finaly there and the only thing you can complain about is that you miss the ship spinning and the little lag and the fact you can only walk in one room... Have some faith, CCP isnt blind you know. It is just the very beginning of Incarna... we will get more and it will get better.
JUST STOP WHINING AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE!!!!
Test server users have been asking them to fix these things for months. My faith is gone until they show some progress on fixing it. Patience with CCP? So I should just wait 5 more years for them to respond, amirite?
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Inanna NiKunni
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:04:00 -
[582]
I would like to offer some constructive feedback. Overall its a good start, needs a little polish, but its good.
the only thing that i really dislike is the turret icons. turrets in space look good, but the icons look like s#1t.
see example below [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/trurret.jpg/][/URL]
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Rosmel
Alba Governance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:04:00 -
[583]
This sucks so much 1: I like my original picture im not wasting time making a new 1 so i can login 2: 6 months $ for crap clothes "right" 3: option to turn off CQ please 4: if this results in more subscriptions ccp will do more nonsense 5: if this drops the player numbers will they learn " No" 6: worse deployment ever what else can i do with my time?
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Feanor Sill
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:05:00 -
[584]
This is the first actual day of playing with Incarna on TQ for me.
And I must say I am quite happy with it, works smoothly, system is stable running all my three accounts of which two have WIS disabled. No issues at all.
I read the blogs, so I know it is just a first single player instalment. I feel seriously sorry for those whose computers have been denied EVE because of shader 3.0 requirement ...I know, you announced that few months ago, before fanfest even, game must move on with technology... No argument here.
I beg you, however, keep the option for NOT loading station environment, I really wonÆt ever do any socializing with my mining alts... seriously!
IÆm waiting impatiently for further relases, EVE needs some breeze of fresh air, even if itÆs just a stationÆs AC :)
Thumbs up for Incarna, just work on it.
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Miranda Elantra
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:05:00 -
[585]
Originally by: Mechanoid Kryten If the aurum store doesn't have anything that is like the old minmatar robot suit kryten was born with it doesn't concern me.. but I welcome the isk sink for that incusion free isk.
I'm not quite sure you get how money sinks work. The aurum store doesn't remove any isk from the economy, it only removes plexes. When I buy a plex with real $$, I get an in-game item that I then sell for in-game isk. That isk moves from the buyer's wallet to my wallet - it doesn't leave the system. An example of a sink is the LP store, where you have to pay LP + isk + items to NPCs. The isk leaves the economy because NPCs don't buy anything with it.
If anything, this change will make the inflation problem WORSE because there are fewer goods (fewer plexes) but the same amount of currency in the system.
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:10:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Temuken Radzu Quit whining you bunch of morons...
I only see one here. Y.O.U.
PLAYERBASE REACTION TO INCARNA |
Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:11:00 -
[587]
Originally by: Temuken Radzu Quit whining you bunch of morons... For Years you have asked for walking in stations, now it is finaly there and the only thing you can complain about is that you miss the ship spinning and the little lag and the fact you can only walk in one room... Have some faith, CCP isnt blind you know. It is just the very beginning of Incarna... we will get more and it will get better.
JUST STOP WHINING AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE!!!!
never asked for WIS. i play a space ship game to be in space. not to have this pile of crap. not only have the managed to break many peopels gaming experiance by making the client suck way to many resorces(im at 0.89gb ram used by 1 client looking at a wall with that QC crap turned off). they ahve managed to mess up the simplest things again. copy paste in channels, again. drop down boxes for peopels names in contracts not going away. and tahts just me picking a couple of thinsg that ahve ****ed me off today.
ive had patience with ccp for 6 years, run 8 clients and tbh ive lost all of every bit of patience ive had with them. the moment they make the turn off station environment button go away, i will to. and ill be dam sure to drag as many of the players in my 160man corp with me. **** ccp **** incarna and **** this bull**** there inflicting on us
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Morist Intheli
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:15:00 -
[588]
Major bug! I depress my left mouse key and drag my mouse around, and nothing happens. My ship doesn't spin! Actually my ship doesn't even display anymore, there's just a grimy door. But the door doesn't spin either!
Seriously, I don't know what to do when I log in anymore. Hope to see this bug get a quick patch.
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Jonny Copper
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:16:00 -
[589]
Manged to login on the mac client. But cant right click on anything. very laggy too. :(
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Danalee
Minmatar Allmost Clueless
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:20:00 -
[590]
Liking the expansion... Not really LOVING IT but it looks nice and the performance isn't as bad as some people would have you believe.
I am a bit dissapointed with the micro transactions with macro prices. I also feel I won't be using my quarters once the novelty wears of, but it's a step towards yet another cool aspect of the total package EVE Online has become over the last years and therefore I'm giving it the benifit of the doubt.
Sure, other things need fixing, but don't they always? In every game for that matter. Take a chill pill and enjoy the ride to the unreachable goal.
Fly safe
D.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:22:00 -
[591]
I dont have shade 3 on my comp so thx to CQ I cant even log in!
Yay for uselessness ruining my game!
But luckily for ÇÇ₱ I had planed to get a new comp for quite a while so I wont ragequit (just yet)!
also MT is OK as long as they keep it vanity items only (the moment they release usefull items in Nex I'll find the hidden away un-sub button)
BUT PLEASE! UNTIL I GET A NEW COMP IS THERE A WAY I CAN UPDATE MY SKILLS?!
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:24:00 -
[592]
Originally by: john roe
take a walk, mate...
I am... in station. :) That's why they call it Walking In Station. And I'm loving it! --
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Raz Xym
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:25:00 -
[593]
This is an absolute joke. 500+ mb for a new UI that made no differences. 700+ mb for the ability to walk around a small room very slowly (and badly I might add.) In 1 week how many will have turned it off in their settings?
Seriously, Eve used to be the best at what it did, this just makes you guys look like fools.
Start spending time on making Eve better. I am starting to think you just put this CQ/Incarna thing in so you can hopefully get bigger fools to buy outrageously priced vanity items. Anyone else envision greedy fat little piggies running the shop.
They will lower the prices to make it seem they are listening to their users. But they planned this from the start. Start with absurdly outrageously high amounts then trim it back 10% hoping we will think they are nice guys.
All good things must come to an end. I love Eve, best game out there. But we need CCP to be true to Eve. Incarna is a joke. Don't let this be the start of your demise.
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bluewolf297
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:32:00 -
[594]
dear ccp, there is one simple solution to this! everyone complains about cq being laggy and useless. i for one do like it as a way to kick back and manage my corp if i dont want to be in space while doing it! however i DO NOT want to enter cq EVERY time i dock! the simple solution is this.
-you dock and are greeted by the old "ship spinning" interface -you can (if you want to) click a "exit pod" button -exiting pod places you in cq, where you can either return to the pod, or hit undock directly from there...
this would fix SO MANY COMPLAINTS, yet it isnt being done? please ccp just fix this T-T
as a side comment, i think that the prices of the noble exchange are rediculous atm, and if/when corp logo on ships is available i hope it is cheap! i plan to brand all my corp ships that i loan out to members with our logo, but if im paying 20+ dollars per ship to do this, it simply is rediculous!
anyways thats my thoughts and i hope everyone agrees...
p.s. take out the new currency, pay with isk, not broken plexes. seeing the other currency causes you to feel that you dont have the full game, but instead are missing out on features. if this continues to be the case, many people will leave, feeling that they are being milked for cash now. this game will end up among the ranks of combat arms and adventure quest, along with all the other games simply made for cash instead of enjoyment.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:33:00 -
[595]
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk I dont have shade 3 on my comp so thx to CQ I cant even log in!
Yay for uselessness ruining my game!
But luckily for ÇÇ₱ I had planed to get a new comp for quite a while so I wont ragequit (just yet)!
also MT is OK as long as they keep it vanity items only (the moment they release usefull items in Nex I'll find the hidden away un-sub button)
See, this is the whine that tires me so much. What? You didn't see this coming? They didn't tell you about needing a gfx card that supports Shader model 3 or higher, like, what, a year ago already?
Quote: BUT PLEASE! UNTIL I GET A NEW COMP IS THERE A WAY I CAN UPDATE MY SKILLS?!
What's a new corp got to do with being able to log in?! What you need is a new computer first. Worry about a new corp later. --
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Khor Nabonid
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:36:00 -
[596]
Hello.
First, good work CCP Team! I think there is a lot of work in it.
The new model of the Maller is very good. Looks more like the SciFi of our time. It would be great if many of the older ship models will be revised in the future as already the Maller or the strategic cruiser. These are the best looking ships in the game, in my opinion. Please revise the other ship models too.
But I think the ships hangar is no more up-to-date. I do not know what you are planing for the future, but it would be more "realistic" to have a dock instead of a hangar. Now the ship looks a little bit like a oversized foreign body without conection to the station (supply lines etc.). I ask myself: How is that thing got in there. And how works the loading and unloading? A dock where the ship is held, with a ramp for the crew and the cargo bay and with some technical stuff around, would be more realistic. I think you should show the little thinks behind, like a short loading and unloading procedure or, very cool, the ships is being repaired and you see some robotic arms working on it for the time the procedure needs. The little things behind brings the atmossphere.
A decent damage model would also needed.
The turret animation is pretty cool and a lot more "realistic" as only on the hull mounted weapons.
Please work on the warp drive. It is very pale. Something like the FTL drive or hyperdrive from Stargate would be very cool. In conection with that there can be unexspected und unnatural disorders that kicks you out of the jump. Like a stellar phenomenons. And some effects when you come out of the jump or go in. Like a little "explosion" or a short distorted ship or something like that.
In the point of realism imagine the following: Black holes, neutron stars, nebulas and asteroid belts that pass through a WHOLE solar system, super novas, burst planets ... simple: amazing things to see and hidden danger. "Space, the final frontier." ^^
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Carmen Estacado
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:46:00 -
[597]
Edited by: Carmen Estacado on 22/06/2011 16:55:34 Some feedback after having spent about an hour trying out the new features:
1) Walking by mouse-clicking is buggy (it seems to be a gamble if clicking on the floor will make my character move to the spot or not) and doesn't work as expected: when I see the UI offering me "sit" I expect my character to sit down or move closer and then sit down. I also can't see why it shows me "stand" when I'm already standing.
2) The shadowing on the character's face looks weird... not like a shadow but like someone threw some black dirt into the face (8800 GT, current drivers, medium interior settings).
3) In light of the upcoming walking-in-stations not having all available services, especially those you only need comparatively infrequently (insurance, clones) makes sense. However, not having an intercom to talk to my agents is disappointing. One should be able to use the big main screen to place a video call to the agents within the station (and perhaps even to those in the people & places list).
4) No running in the captain's quarters?
5) Are you cheating with the placement of the ships? On the one hand they do give a better sense of scale than the old hangar did, but at the same time a Charon looks like it's only 3x bigger than a Retribution (probably because you place the Charon further away?). Unfortunately I don't have a positive suggestion on how to fix that.
6) On the same note: I don't quite get why the ship is floating around. Shouldn't it be docked somewhere?
7) "Micro-transaction" seems to be quite some euphemism. Virtual goods at the price of actual real life goods? Don't try to copy WoW by playing on people's stupidity and have them pay 20 Euros for a single SQL query. You'll probably see more people using the store if the items aren't in a range where you need to think thrice if you can actually afford to buy it.
In my opinion 5 Euros is about the the absolute maximum a single piece of vanity clothing should cost. Or in other words: A plex should give you a full set of stock quality clothes or 2-3 pieces of designer clothes or one really rare collectors item.
Also, the conversion rate and pricing should try to actually line up. Having to convert 2 Plex just because an item costs 100 aurum more than what you get for one is unacceptable in my opinion.
8) Who designed the NeX logo and store front? It looks cheap and ugly as if being thrown together within 20 seconds using the office Wordart tool.
Please note that in spite of the above criticism I do like what you're intending to do with WIS and am looking forward for more.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:49:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Alvia Siv And the bulkhead 2D JPG is more immersive? *facepalm*
No, that's just CCP giving in a bit to people who want the option. But it was pretty clear -- to me, at least -- that CCP would never allow two concurrent 'live' variations of the same station hangar to exist. The static image is just a stopgap measure, to linger on for a while longer, until people have upgraded their hardware. Consider it a grace-period, for it will be removed eventually. They've said so repeatedly.
And don't get me wrong: I even liked the old spinning hangar. :) Having both that and CQ at the same time, though, that's just silly, immersion wise: you simply can't have 2 complete different rooms exist in the same space.
N.B. Perhaps a redesign of the spinning hangar would have been an option; you know, from the perspective of behind-and-slightly-above the ship, as it were, so that it's still the same Incarna space/design, but from a simplified angle (sans the actual CQ, which you would just be able to look at from afar). They didn't choose for that, though. --
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Danil Slaytor
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:03:00 -
[599]
Having read most of the posts so far i dont know if i'v'e missed something? First off my major gripe is that SM 3 has meant i cannot use my Vaio laptop - "outdated graphics card". Having updated my desktop,(quad core 6600/4gb ram/radeon 3800 etc)i seem to be able to run the CQ bit ok. The point i am eventually getting to is regarding the spinning ship view. I walk out of the room (using WASD to move and mouse to spin view) onto a gantry where i can see my ship, spinning slowly... The ship hologram in the CQ seems to be ok for opening up fitting etc. I look a bag of **** in real life, so wont be trying any virtual fashion items.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:06:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk I dont have shade 3 on my comp so thx to CQ I cant even log in!
Yay for uselessness ruining my game!
But luckily for ÇÇ₱ I had planed to get a new comp for quite a while so I wont ragequit (just yet)!
also MT is OK as long as they keep it vanity items only (the moment they release usefull items in Nex I'll find the hidden away un-sub button)
See, this is the whine that tires me so much. What? You didn't see this coming? They didn't tell you about needing a gfx card that supports Shader model 3 or higher, like, what, a year ago already?
Quote: BUT PLEASE! UNTIL I GET A NEW COMP IS THERE A WAY I CAN UPDATE MY SKILLS?!
What's a new corp got to do with being able to log in?! What you need is a new computer first. Worry about a new corp later.
comp as in computer.
they might have said so but really... CQ and stuff like that should be optional so I can play on my computer from the middle age.
I also wish someone could tell me exactly when CCP became ÇÇ₱. |
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Kai Ko
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:07:00 -
[601]
This is now getting silly, like many others I have reported that I can't login as the client will not allow me to type my password into the field.
Does anyone know when this bug will be fixed??
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Evanova Android
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:09:00 -
[602]
Originally by: Jess Ica
- Add an option to turn to old station view pls as this sucks without it.
Yes, do this please. The new view is a waste of dev and game time. It doesn't provide the 'immersion' CCP thought it does, and adds no value to the gameplay. It's not even shiny, it's too dark in there. And bloody noisy.
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Inflicted Fear
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:09:00 -
[603]
- CQ is slow and buggy. Seriously where was your need for speed initiative when this was designed? - Why cant we still have a choice of the old spinning ship interface? - Great job with the turrets. Shame that they retract during the times when you could actually look at them uninterrupted ie while warping, ect. - What I really don't get is why you didn't work on missiles first. Turrets already had animations...
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:11:00 -
[604]
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
comp as in computer.
Sorry, mate, misread ya. :) --
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md5oogle
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:13:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Straahl
Originally by: Pace eGuerra Really liking the concept of Incarna, its potential to change the social and immersive aspects of the game are huge and am happy to accept your approach of introducing in baby steps.
But I want to add my +1s to the following things that really MUST be added/fixed to bring back playability.
1. We need to stay in our ships when we dock. As far as PVP goes this can't change. It's common for fleet members to leave on a CTA or roam with a missing mod, or need to change their setup en route to a destination. Being able to buy stuff in transit, divert away from fleet, dock, fit, undock and catch up with fleet is a fundamental requirement. Adding technical barriers to the efficiency of this operation is not good.
2. It's not enough to have an option to turn Incarna off even though I'm sure we appreciate that setting. I want to use Incarna and I'm really looking forward to using it beyond CQ but I also need the fast refit / ship change option. There needs to be a disembark option and if we don't disembark then we don't get hit with the performance requirements of Incarna. Dock/refit/undock should be as fast as it was pre-Incarna as long as we don't disembark.
3. I need to be able drag and drop a ship from the hangar window to somewhere on the screen in order to change ship. For example, Simply dragging a ship icon outside of the hangar window should cause that ship to be active. When out of my ship I want firstly to be able to see what ship I will undock with no matter where I am in the station so that I can hit the undock button and know what I'll be in when I enter space. I can do this now by opening the fitting tool but it would nice if there was an icon on the neocom.
4. Need to be able to have separate graphics settings for in station and in space. This should cover both quality vs performance settings as well as moving the centre of the view.
It's a shame that all the stupid emo raging that's going on is detracting from the indisputable fact that the above is really going to kill playability.
Love your work guys, keep it up. But please remember that the player base really need these issues to be addressed.
Pretty much all this right here sum up my feelings. Especially, "2. It's not enough to have an option to turn Incarna off even though I'm sure we appreciate that setting. I want to use Incarna and I'm really looking forward to using it beyond CQ but I also need the fast refit / ship change option. There needs to be a disembark option and if we don't disembark then we don't get hit with the performance requirements of Incarna. Dock/refit/undock should be as fast as it was pre-Incarna as long as we don't disembark."
CCP, we NEED a disembark feature.
^ This.
Good job so far CCP; It looks great, however... I really can't see myself wanting to use it. I want to pew pew. If I wanted to randomly walk around with a 3d avatar, I would go download Second Life, or, you know, leave my apartment.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:14:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Evanova Android
Yes, do this please. The new view is a waste of dev and game time. It doesn't provide the 'immersion' CCP thought it does, and adds no value to the gameplay. It's not even shiny, it's too dark in there. And bloody noisy.
Why is everybody always on about it being dark in CQ? It's not overly bright or anything, but it's certainly well-lit (amount-wise, at least). All the screens provide ample extra lighting too. --
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Shaul Amaninatis
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:16:00 -
[607]
Edited by: Shaul Amaninatis on 22/06/2011 17:16:55 Thank you CCP for getting the vanity items right (I'm not kidding).
With these prices the NeX items are clearly end game content for high sec carebears and role players. Those who already own any **** they ever desired.
And at the same time it keeps PLEX prices from crashing
I do now consider emptying my wallet for some PLEX and then get me some new clothes.
PS: Well thought out ISK sink
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Ganryder
Caldari Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:17:00 -
[608]
Wow, just wow. A Feature like CQ without any real purpose.. pretty leet!
Give us back what we pay for not this pointless crap. Its fun for new players for about 10 mins. Us old guys really dont see the point of it, graphics isnt why we play it!!! Reboot and do it better!!!
FYI CCP: If its not broke, dont fix it!
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md5oogle
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:28:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Ganryder Wow, just wow. A Feature like CQ without any real purpose.. pretty leet!
Give us back what we pay for not this pointless crap. Its fun for new players for about 10 mins. Us old guys really dont see the point of it, graphics isnt why we play it!!! Reboot and do it better!!!
FYI CCP: If its not broke, dont fix it!
If it's not broke, it's not from CCP. Get it right!
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streaml1ne
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:37:00 -
[610]
Has anyone from CCP even responded to this thread yet?
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Ste'ven Sch'orik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:37:00 -
[611]
@Ranka People are complaining because not all of us can AFFORD a new computer or gpu. Stop criticizing everyone just because we aren't as "high and mighty" as you.
Back to one of the issues at hand. The strain on my gpu is higher than it was before even though there is no increase in graphic quality. I run everything on lowest settings anyway but its overheating my gpu as if graphics were maxed. I get no lag or anything like that I just want to know what CCP did to the graphics for this to happen. This is the 3rd or 4th time I've said something about it and not once has there been a response from CCP to my question.
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Nishachara
Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:38:00 -
[612]
Incarna is a BIG disapointment And i was really looking forward to it...
I cant play CQ becuase its too much slow and my computer heats up dangerously.
Now i just want game like was before incarna, i want to dock and to see my ship and not the stupid door ...so i can do all the stuff i need and undock normaly
Thats all... I dont care about NEX store and prices and what not, i just want to log on normaly as yesterday and play the game
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Aphatasis
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:39:00 -
[613]
Most was already said, but i'll want to add my bull5h1t also!
First: The idea is great behind Incarna. The way it is today is totaly crap!
Shows me again that u are not playing your own game propably as some of your devs try to make the ppl think.
Couldn't believe it that u ****ed up the performance this hard as ppl are telling here. As i am someone with more then 2 accounts (5 atm) and 3 screens on 2 graphic-cards (my luck, both are nvidia), i had no problems before with running 5 clients with medium settings (not high end, but also some things on medium and high to make it less ugly watching). Now, have 5 clients running with CQ and dropped from 60fps to 15fps ... good job!
When i read about the prices for cloth and other things in the new store, i even didn't check it anymore! Will give about 250k - 2m ISK for some nice cloth but not anything more!
Someone already said what i also wanted to be: - Docking, u are in the old way for ship spinning, with a small button "Leave to CQ" - Then u are at the bottom of the ramp, in front of your pod - U can get up the stairs, do all the useless things in CQ and then u will never enter CQ again but u can spinn your ship the old style!
What i also hate: - No more Drag and Drop to switch ships! Come on ... u safed me 3 clicks (and it's not more) 5 times a week when i launch a carrier/dread from the pos array, but i force me to do at least 50 clicks more per day ... again: good job! - Well i already knew that u won't do any changes to the tech-problem or even think about the way u encourage ppl to go to 0.0 and REALY LIVE out there, then u said, "u will fight for space in the future to get anomalies for the grunts again" and in the same patch u boost mission running again (standing requirement like it's Q-20 and payout like it's a Q20 agent ... no boost?)... Think u forgot about the concept of "Risk and Reward" Was all clear that u won't change these things with incarna, just wanted to add this totaly 5hit u made again.
EVE isn't this awesome money printing maschine like WoW and looks like u want to make EVE also in the future a long time game and not just a game for a summer vacation. So u HAVE TO LISTEN to your community! Never heard that escept some very lonly single ppl started to play eve because of ANY OTHER reason as some friend saying "awesome game"! So, how u want to get your "over 9000" new accounts daily if u make the ppl hate the game they invested years up to now?
As it's already a "TL;DR" and even if this would be just 20 works, that descripe how to safly get the master of the universe, noone else then other disappointed "whine" ppl (like me!) would read it!
Hope more ppl will add massive texts and we will reach the 50 patches before friday, maybe anyone of CCP feels slightly force to add any more comment then just "Hey MAC Users, here's a fix!"
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Lucida Grande
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:42:00 -
[614]
How long has CCP been talking about walking around in EVE, 4 years? More? And now it's here we get a single room. That's not something to brag about. What are you guys doing with our subscription money? Maybe you need to hire some more software engineers. Yes I've read the promises that more is coming, but 4 years for this approaches a Duke Nukem ratio of deliverable / development time. |
Catheressia
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:43:00 -
[615]
Edited by: Catheressia on 22/06/2011 17:43:20 I like CQ I think it has huge potential and I have to keep reminding myself that its not yet finished. Thing is, it has so few features it feels like it hasn't yet started.
Station services? Surely not hard to add a panel/screen in CQ for accessing them.
And please please please, like hundreds of posts have asked before me, make an option in the traditional station view to enter CQ. If for no other reason then for the reason that it doesn't fit with narrative and detracts from the immersive nature of EVE for a pilot to have to eject from their ship in a pod, unplug themselves and get dressed and then the whole process in reverse just to put some more ammo in the cargohold or unload some ore.
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Celgar Thurn
Minmatar You Need It
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:44:00 -
[616]
On the 'pros' I like the idea of the new turrets although I haven't been out of dock yet to test them out.The new Agent Finder is very good as well enabling us to see multiple combinations of agents. Thumbs up on those two.
On the 'cons' the CQ area is very dark apart from the outside docking area.My char is very blotchy looking in the inside area but nice looking outside in the docking area. I agree with others comments that the scale of the ships doesn't look right now with the need to make smaller vessels such as shuttles more pleasing to the eye. The old docking area was better in terms of scale of ships. Pre this update I could just about get the recustomization system to work on the lowest settings on a GEforce 6200 512MB DDR2. Now it seems to have nearly seized up.In addition I'm not sure if the recustomization can alter body changes? I gave Celgar a big bear gut but upon seeing him in CQ I would like to remove it.I hve a feeling it isn't possible to do that even if the recustomization starts working again. God help all the chars with massive breasts!!! In short as long as I am able to I will not be using the CQ area as it is surplus to requirements.
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Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:44:00 -
[617]
I preferred the old continuous swoosh sound of strip miners... now they make just one sad grunting noise like a normal mining laser a couple times per cycle.
The beam is too similar to a normal mining laser too for me, I would like it to be brighter and fatter and more dramatic. |
Abbador
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:46:00 -
[618]
Dear CCP
Thank you for not hiding the incarna "off" button in the esc menu.
Being able to find and uncheck this check box was the best bit of Incarna.
Gratz
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:46:00 -
[619]
Incarna could have been a yard of Epic Ale, but what we have (so far) is a half-empty can of Meh Lite that's been sitting in the afternoon sun, spiked with a double-shot of Aurum-plated middlefinger.
First the good points.
GOOD: The new turret animations. They look cool when zoomed in on the ship, unfortunately I play zoomed OUT so I can see more of the battlefield.
GOOD: The new Maller model. It blows up real good too, as I found out after duking it out with another guy in a Maller and his corpies (I got caught stealing loot from a belt while ratting and ignored the undock warning, that 1MN MWD I wasn't worth it... GREED will be the undoing of CCP also).
Now, the bad.
BAD: CQ is not truly Optional. I'll be the 307th to say, DOCK into the OLD station hangar view and then give us an EXIT POD button.
BAD: NEX prices, WTF. Wasn't going to buy any of this crap anyway but still it's quite a sticker shock.
BAD: ONE out of FOUR CQ rooms are done, CCP doesn't even bother with releasing half-finished stuff anymore, 25% is now good enough!
BAD: CQ currently adds no game functionality or interaction with others, it has a lifespan of roughly 10 minutes before it is turned off.
BAD: No remote control or programmability of the video screens.
BAD: The game direction has obviously changed towards a cash-grab affair. See my remark about GREED above.
My subscription expires in roughly 13 days on my main, and 6 weeks on my alts, and at this point I can't be arsed to renew any of them. Summer is here, and I'd rather spend the summer and spare cash assembling the various bits littering my garage into a functioning motorcycle than waste my time with virtual monocles and crap.
I would have rather seen this expansion delayed until December and just bugfix patches to Incursion 1.6.x until this was truly ready. ----- There's nothing Noble about this Exchange! Money for pixels and pink ships for free. |
Ydnari
Gallente Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:51:00 -
[620]
This is a total shambles.
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Acadia Prime
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:53:00 -
[621]
What's with the new icons? They're hideous.
The Salvager 1 looks like a greyish black blob of dung and the tractor beam? Just a little bit brighter but still a blob. It's especially noticeable when compared to the old, clean style graphics found in the other rack items. -- http://www.thisismyurl.com |
Lando Storm
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:56:00 -
[622]
Originally by: Ancyker What is this ****? I was all ready to buy virtual clothes but these fake clothes cost more than real clothes.
Seriously, who thought of this? Promptly fire them and hire someone not a complete moron.
My credit card is now safely back in my wallet. When these prices are reasonable get back to me.
aside from the above sweet expansion.
P.S. seriously $65 for an ugly jacket WTF
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Bellasarius Baxter
Caldari Zilog Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:57:00 -
[623]
Well, CQ looks nice... Have to get used to it, though. MAybe the following should be placed in Features & Ideas, pls tell me so if I need to cross post it.
I would like to suggest a different approach to the whole Space ship/Walking in stations/CQ thing.
My idea is as follows:
You start in CQ when you are "born", you board your pod before getting into a ship, and you board a ship when you need to, AND STAY in the ship until you leave it, then you can decide to leave your Pod, and end up in CQ, and from there you can go out into the other parts of the station, when these become available.
As it is now, I seem to have the exact same CQ at every station in New Eden, whether I have ever been there before, or not. The fact that you end up in CQ EVERY TIME you dock removes the "sense of being at home", at least for me.
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Karajishi
Umphari Cradle Operations
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:57:00 -
[624]
I'd like to offer some constructive feedback on this issue and provide some balance to all the unthinking whiners.
I will start by saying that Incarna in its current iteration doesn't really do it for me. The key word here is Iteration. CCP changed their MO some time ago to one of rolling out features in chunks to be iterated on. This I think is a good approach as it allows them to get feedback (if they choose to listen) and improve. I think people need to keep in mind that feedback needs to be constructive. I understand that people who have invested years into this world are resistant to change, especially that which is something different for the space game. But acting like a bunch of 5 y/olds who cant have an ice cream is just lame.
- Graphically I can't run it well, but then my PC is in need of upgrade which I am aware. I think it is too dark & the functionality is a little bit basic thus far. But I'm sure these things will change.
- CQ doesn't interest me really. I mean its nice to see a toon but the functionality is lacking and after a quick peek around i turned it off for performance. I am however interested in the further implications and some of the planned station stuff intrigues me, namely shady dealings (as long as it has some depth).
- All those saying they have sold us out & its all about WoD need to grow up a little before crying about cancelling subscriptions. I have no doubt there is some testing going on here for WoD but it also for planned station game play also.
I think they do need to get back to the space game some point. We all know the things that need fixing, and I'm sure that one day this will be done. I feel the disappointment here, I have my bitter vet days but people need to realise that CCP is a business and getting more people would be good for them and for the community.
Lastly: Noble exchange is a joke. For the argument that their cost comes from needing teams and resources to create assets would be alot more plausible if there was more there. 6 items? I mean I would prob never go for that stuff anyway, I fly space ships, I don't give a **** what fancy trousers I'm wearing. But for the people who would I feel the quality is lacking currently for the cost.
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Qicia
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:59:00 -
[625]
700mb+ later and I can spin my Character! \O/
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:03:00 -
[626]
Edited by: Grimpak on 22/06/2011 18:03:25 two best things about this patch:
- new maller and new turrets are nice, altho I'm still trying to understand why arties and howies are double barreled...
- also, the best thing in this patch, as somebody said before, is the "do not load station environment" option, since at the very least I can keep my computer cooler and not hot enough to cook eggs.
also CCP, where is the "Incarna will be optional!" in this patch? ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Valor D'eglise
Gallente Red Cross Of Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:03:00 -
[627]
Want to leave my feedback in this thread after the first day of Incarna. I have not read the thread yet as don't want to be biased by the opinion of others.
So, before Incarna came out I was actually not very excited for the "walking in station"-part. Now that I have used it I have to say: I was fun! The three minutes it lasted.
There is no real reason to walk around in the quarter. Especially with the turtle like speed that toons move at and the stiff "broom up the arse" animation. I tried out all the features, but for me there no added value - only longer loading times and a lot more power to draw because of the added graphics. I have an ATI HD5870 (which, if I am correct, is still to be considered "hi end"). Because CCP's take on anti aliasing is as good as not using it as all, I forced AA in the drivers (4x, 8 samples, super-sample) and the game looks AMAZING and runs fluid in every situation in space at full HD. Captains quarter is a different story, though. I have less than 20 fps and my GPU is "on fire". It's OK if I disable AA, but I'm not used to seeing stairs on edges so it looks...meh. Performance wise it would be OK with the adaptive multi-sample setting, but it produces graphical bugs. See-through walls and a strange lens-flare-like effects from the ship hologram on the table.
So I turned it off after a couple of minutes. Saves money (less power for needed for the graphics card) and saves time. Until the public areas are opened I see no reason to use captains quarters, but I'm repeating myself.
I also activated an alt in Jita to check the pricing on clothes from the aurum store, just out of pure curiosity. I almost fainted! 400M for a pair of trousers? I suspected a scam and visited the store myself just to find that it indeed was a realistic price. Pants worth more than one month of gametime. Which nobody else gets to see as they aren't visible in the avatar pics and bragging about them in public is not possible yet.
But since I don't have to buy clothes (and never intended to) and can (at least still) avoid the CQ I am not bothered too much. Not being able to access the cargo hold of the active ship though double clicking and activating a new ship through drag and drop is annoying still, but I'll get used to it eventually.
On the other hand though I LOVE the new turret models, the animations and new effects. The ability to preview turrets has been abused several times by now! I like that they reflect racial influences and look different (and better IMHO) as T2/faction tier. What I like most is probably that large autocannons now truly are autocannons and not artillery any more. Makes flying in a Machariel suddenly a lot more fun! I also like that they start tracking even when not yet activated. The sudden "jump" in the old animation always bugged me a little.
So far.
Guess I'll read the thread now to see that other think and maybe adding later to the post.
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Nestox
Modgade Eode Unforht
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:04:00 -
[628]
I want ship spinning back - ASAP!!! |
XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:09:00 -
[629]
Sorry guys but you had over 5 years of talking about this and a community behind you and this is what you deliver? You have allowed greed and mission creep to put you in a position where your flagship product may very well fail because of your marketing department and apathetic attitude towards your customer base.
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:10:00 -
[630]
In station (with CQ turned off):
1) Can't double-click to open current ship's cargo anymore 2) No visual clues to what ship you're sitting in without opening fitting/ship window
I'll resist the urge to complain about ship-spinning, but these two things are a significant loss of UI functionality _
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Viktor Del'Grande
Gallente Forschung und Entwicklungscorp
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:10:00 -
[631]
Nearly everything has been said here. "My Eve" had 3 phases: Begin: Cold War / Red Moon Rising It was hard for me to get into the game, but it was rewarding
Golden Age: Revelation -> Apocrypha I liked the 0.0 stuff, the wormholes, the T3 cruisers, the new improved scanning.
The End: Incarna What i dont like, see the arguments in this thread. Pointless to repeat them again.
My Accounts expire in max 15 days from now.
CYA! No you cant get my stuff.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:13:00 -
[632]
There are a lot of good things to say about Incarna, and as most of you know I have been a very staunch supporter of this initiative by CCP. It somewhat pains me to point out a couple of very negative points.
1: In CQ the code seriously needs to be optimized. I have decent equipment to play on but I am averaging 5 or 6 frames a second. That being said I am not experiencing the over heating issue many report, and I do realize that you needed to see how the code would perform under full stress.
2: Very minor issue. I put a salvager 2 on my Matari Blockade Runner, and in space it floats in space a fair distance ahead of the ship.
3: The Big Issue: I'm just going to come out and say this, as much as it pains me to do so. The prices in the Noble Store are a slap in the face to your player base, and need to be adjusted downward immediately to about 10% of their current prices.
Not only are they completely out of line with the rest of the MicroTransaction gaming community, they lend credence to the arguments of everyone I have ever butted heads with on the forum that accused you of using this new system as a money grab.
I don't know what the line of thinking was when deciding the pricing structure, and (uncharacteristically) this one time I really don't care.
This is completely out of line with the impression we were given of how MicroTransactions were going to work, and it needs to be addressed immediately. As it stands right now you will make little, if any, profit from the system because few can afford to use it. However if you drop the prices to 10% of their current levels, you would easily see a 1000% increase in total profit as the bulk of the player base would begin using it over time.
My main worry is why I'm even having to explain this to you, it should be easily self evident.
I've rarely had to cry foul on the decisions CCP has made in the past, even the most controversial ones. But this, well, this one is just stupid and borderline insulting.
Please, sort it out.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
javac
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:13:00 -
[633]
Originally by: Bethany Trader Hot WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH CCP
Let me just run right out and spend money from my family's budget on a new laptop so I can play a game that I have spent many hours building a character on just because some little prick in the dev department has decided that I can afford that.
Everything else works fine on my laptop so I see no need in wasting money on a new just for the sake of some ******* run company like CCP.
Subscription canceled...
Ditto for me and my laptop. We're not all rich Amarr's with lots of cash to give to ccp. I thought Iceland had also been hit really hard by the credit crunch? Apparently not, if micro-transactions can cost a fortune and they expect everyone to have pixel shader 3 compatable laptops.
I feared the worst, i got the worst, and I can't even judge Incarna as I can't run Incarna. I found little to stay playing eve but had massive hopes for incarna bringing new variety, but instead of variety we got vanity. If it worked on the ps3 I'd be happy, if older-pc users could play it as it was "pre-incarna" that would be nice but not to have the choice leaves me... no choice but to quit playing a game I've played on and off for almost 8 years. Gutted but it's only a game.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:17:00 -
[634]
Edited by: leth ghost on 22/06/2011 18:17:25 CQ makes my pc get hot and fan goes crazy, turned it off, deciding id rather keep my pc healthy than play eve
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Keyn Thror
Minmatar N.S.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:21:00 -
[635]
Just my 5 cents in Incarna feedback.
I've been waiting for this feature for several years after I first heard about it. CQ is the first step into glorious Incarna future, I fully understand that.
But right now - it just made station gameplay worse.
Please, leave the old-style docking as default, and make leaving pod to CQ optional. It's both more comfortable AND more roleplaying.
I mean - I'm a capsuleer, damnit! I don't like to walk around in this vulnerable weak human body, that has no armor hardeners or MWD. :)
I can do that - if I want to meet someone in person. But since we can't meet other people in CQ yet - there's no reason for me to leave the pod yet.
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Sloan X
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:22:00 -
[636]
Edited by: Sloan X on 22/06/2011 18:23:54 I see alot of the same faces in every whine thread, TBH if you hate this game soO much just quit.
if your looking for a instant success and patchs/updates with contstant hardware profiles then you need a console. Alot of the grief you see spilling out here is why so many stuidos have gone console port first.
gaming now has such a large cross section its not like the ole'days where computer hobbiest built thier PC's top run the latest and greatest games the best they could. computers is not a cheap hobby, nor does any PC studio design games on mid-life hardware.
Not everyone could afford the 486, or the k4, or the shinny new rage 128 gfx cards at the time. its the same here, only there is many more people with intrests in gaming. you cant not blame CCP for your hardware, its your hobby its your burden. if you cant afford to game then you have other life issues you should adress frist.
I guess one of the problems with supporting a game so long is the frustration we see here. CCP however is one if the few who are really vangaurd in that they are working out the problems rather then just quit supporting the game all together. why deal with all of this when they could just build another game from the ground up? loyal? insane? or many they just love what they are doing.
its always the few w/tears and anger that you see here. what you dont see is thousands of ppl neutral/stoic or happy w/the new content. in the end if you loved eve at any time your should respect that in your posts. maybe even thank them for thier hard work even thou you disagree.
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Chigger Troutslayer
Internet Spaceship Gamers RED Citizens
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:23:00 -
[637]
WINS
New Turrets New Maller hull Agent Finder 1st 5 minutes of CQ on my new high end comp Diasble CQ option Scorpion "engine glow"
Not So Much
CPU/GPU usage for CQ on anything but my new high end comp (this will change to "Fail" if option to turn off CQ goes away) Lack of tunnel effect when warping Loading CQ every time I dock even if its to quickly change ships (leave me in a pod, I'll get out if I want to) Some news scrolling across screen in CQ is a tad out of date (Really, the AT IX prelim matches are complete? How about who won the Finals?)
Fail
Noble Exchange Prices (are you serious?)
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:31:00 -
[638]
CCP, if you where charging +1 Bill for an ingame ***** prostate for a character, I would maybe see some sort of logic involved.
However, with monocle + clothing prices being more expensive as IRL clothers... please.
Don't insult my intelligence. -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Orgm
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:34:00 -
[639]
best line evah - don't agree actually but very well put:
..If I wanted to randomly walk around with a 3d avatar, I would go download Second Life, or, you know, leave my apartment.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari Gank Bangers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:37:00 -
[640]
I think with some minor adjustments we will feel much better, maybe not all, but at lease most of us.
For example, why not make it so when you decide not to load station environment, instead of that static screen make it so that it shows the ship you currently have active as a static screen even if you can't spin it.
Also allow dragging your ship to make it active.
Or maybe even add a small screen in the middle of the static window somewhere where it shows your active ship. ---
Nothing is more discomforting than the discovery of our own inadequacies - Carl Jung |
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:40:00 -
[641]
My load time for CQ is insane. I haven't had this long a load time since I was trying to play wolfenstein 3d. ;)
Incarna makes changing ships so annoying. Umm, sometimes it's life and death for us to reship to stop a bunch of reds, or to save a scrammed buddy. I need to jump out of my scanner/salvager into my dps/tackle/logi ship. You all are so clueless to the actual impact of CQ.
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orange offspring
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:40:00 -
[642]
Just briefly if anybody hasn not allready said this but opening up the mini menu on the hologram should give more options like for example capitals - ther should be a fuel bay option - corporate hanger option - ore hold etc etc
and yes please bring back the ability to drag and drop a ship to activate it plzzzz
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:42:00 -
[643]
New salvage and tractor beam mod icons look awful and are too alike. Why were unique good looking icons replaced with dull alike icons? I don't get it... -- Frog blast the vent core! |
LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:45:00 -
[644]
<Quote> "Please keep the feedback to this thread.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online"
</quote>
So are we trying to contain and do damage control? Why can't we talk about incarna in General Discussion and anywhere else appropriate? Are we trying to contain the crapstorm of negativity surrounding CCPs poor quality control and lack of thinking through the implications of their actions?
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Keyn Thror
Minmatar N.S.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:48:00 -
[645]
Originally by: Toovhon New salvage and tractor beam mod icons look awful and are too alike.
Also, the information window title says "Tractor Beam: Information" on both Salvager I and II too...
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:52:00 -
[646]
My play style in eve focus's on PvP in nullsec. I almost always dual box, and regularly triple box. Things I typically do in station: - Switch ships as quickly as possible for pewpew. - Fit out my ships during slow times. - Market activity with my alt. - Contract management with my alt.
I think the CQ looks awesome, and has some great potential for including lots of additional features. During slow times, its fun to explore. At the same time, it is graphics intensive and requires a significant amount of resources to load. The basic fact is, when I have a character in station, it is typically NOT my primary focus, and I thereby don't want a heavy graphics load. I like the option to turn off the station environment, and do not want it to go away.
As for turrets, I find the new item icons for turrets hard to distinguish. I found the old icons loaded much more smoothly, and were much easier to distinguish. This includes tractor beams, salvagers, code breakers, and analyzers.
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Nabuch Sattva
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:52:00 -
[647]
Originally by: bluewolf297 dear ccp, there is one simple solution to this! everyone complains about cq being laggy and useless. i for one do like it as a way to kick back and manage my corp if i dont want to be in space while doing it! however i DO NOT want to enter cq EVERY time i dock! the simple solution is this.
-you dock and are greeted by the old "ship spinning" interface -you can (if you want to) click a "exit pod" button -exiting pod places you in cq, where you can either return to the pod, or hit undock directly from there...
this would fix SO MANY COMPLAINTS, yet it isnt being done? please ccp just fix this T-T
^^ PLEASE CCP, this would be so much better. AND THANK YOU BLUEWOLF297
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Tokley
Amarr Team Silent Service Vires Per Iunctum
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:57:00 -
[648]
Ok ok , they are people that doesn't like it annd people that like it .
I like it , its in an earlier stage , this is just the first step . I'm looking forward to the future of this .
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lealenia Aivoras
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:01:00 -
[649]
Edited by: lealenia Aivoras on 22/06/2011 19:01:16
Originally by: Sloan X Edited by: Sloan X on 22/06/2011 18:23:54 blah blah
Not everyone could afford the 486, or the k4, or the shinny new rage 128 gfx cards at the time. its the same here, only there is many more people with intrests in gaming. you cant not blame CCP for your hardware, its your hobby its your burden. if you cant afford to game then you have other life issues you should adress frist.
I guess one of the problems with supporting a game so long is the frustration we see here. CCP however is one if the few who are really vangaurd in that they are working out the problems rather then just quit supporting the game all together. why deal with all of this when they could just build another game from the ground up? loyal? insane? or many they just love what they are doing.
its always the few w/tears and anger that you see here. what you dont see is thousands of ppl neutral/stoic or happy w/the new content. in the end if you loved eve at any time your should respect that in your posts. maybe even thank them for thier hard work even thou you disagree.
This means " we dont care , quit if you dont like. But we hearing this from another player/ customer like us. We like to hear from business owner/CCP if they share this opinion. Their action makes us they do.
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Madcapnl
The Rising Stars -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:03:00 -
[650]
This expansion should not be called "Incarna", but "Exodus 2.0, when the customers left us"
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Aerek Elesyn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:16:00 -
[651]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I *love* the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please.
Are you at 42C while in CQ? My I7-950 is pretty cool, but my GTX 580 is at about 70C while in CQ. Although, the model I bought is no longer available and has been replaced with a better cooling model...
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Midnight Hope
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:17:00 -
[652]
Let me tell you what I think about "Incrapna".
The GOOD: - Turrets. They looks great, can't wait for the new effects.
The BAD: - Pretty much everything else... - CQ. Laggy as hell, does not add any gameplay, controls are terrible, it's dark, I have to walk everywhere... even to sit down (*walk* in stations...ahhh...I get it). Why can't I tell the toon to sit from across the room and have him do the waking instead of having to click to get it there? Oh, wait this is from the same company that brought us PI clickfest!! - Maller. Poor ship, it looked great, now it seems a Caldari engineer used a bunch of Legos to put it together. It does not look Amarrian *at all*.
The UGLY: - The NEX shop is a joke. OMG! What were you thinking?!
After all the hype I am totally disappointed with Incrapna.
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Veren Jile
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:22:00 -
[653]
Remember all the complaints with the new graphics patch? This reminds me of that. They're not going to make CQ optional, at least I hope they don't. If you have to manually click on the CQ feature to enable it, it ruins the whole point of the update (not to mention people would never bother with it). It's here to reinforce the identity of the player, and the character of the world. I agree that scale should be restored and some kind of 'zoom to ship/spin' mechanic should be in place, but they shouldn't reintroduce the old hangar, that's in the past now.
Does this update add any significant changes? On the surface, no. But it is creating the framwork to advance Eve into an age beyond just floating ships in space. It feels more like a real world, your ship feels more like something you own, apart from the identity of your character. I applaud CCP for their forward-thinking development strategy. They're making Eve into something that none of us could have ever expected it to become.
I hope CCP won't be discouraged by all these people badmouthing their hard work. In a couple of weeks, people will calm down, a few will cancel, and CQ will feel as if it's always been there.
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Dan Estrellas Amigo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:22:00 -
[654]
Add me to the pile of people who are a bit disappointed. I'm just going to repeat others but I think repeating is worth it.
Whine 1: The processing power CQ eats really damages the experience. Eve in space runs well on my laptop, but CQ is just uncomfortable to play; immersion isn't even considered. More importantly, the heat it pumps out of my machine is just too much. I don't want to look like I'm trying to make a statement here, but I have indeed turned off CQ because of the heat. I don't like my laptop cooking so much that in 30 seconds it is almost too hold to hold near the exhaust.
The walking speed also is just. not. fun.
+++ If you can do something about this CCP, please do. +++
Whine 2: Ship spinning is sorely missed, I think for 2 reasons: -- One, people want to avoid the chuggy CQ. The current option for this is practically a punishment. It's really disheartening to see that your options are either accept poor performance, or accept a static image of a door. Every single player has just come from a nice ship-spinning hangar but now both the replacement choices are worse. -- Two, people want to ogle their ship; it's enjoyable. Viewing it from CQ isn't impressive, it's really frustrating. The fitting window doesn't feel right, it feels like a window. I want to look all over my ship feeling like that's my real ship I'm looking at.
One easy solution; simply provide a "Look At" option from CQ, exactly like we do in space with other ships. This alone would maybe be enough to remove that frustration of not being able to ogle your ship. Another easy solution; return the old hangar view, as many have already begged.
Allowing players to select between CQ and ship hangar as the default docking response and adding the respective "Leave Pod/Enter Pod" options would make everyone happy. Everyone. Happy.
+++ I think this is a request that deserves to be answered. +++
Whine 3: It adds very little to the game especially for the power it consumes, and the hype it received. I understand that it is only the beginning, but it is too much at the beginning. There is a big feeling of a placeholder we spent the last few months anticipating.
The turrets are very cool but not enough to compensate for the feeling of a big expansion we can't really play with.
As it stands, I am dismayed to think of how much attention future updates are going to give to WiS. Public areas are of course the next big focus, so does this mean the rest of the Eve game will receive significantly less attention for the next 12 months now?
+++ Please ensure we keep getting new things to play with, not just a year of WiS work. +++
Whine 4: NEx is not well-received. Some of the NeX prices are just rude, however I understand that the only way you can make cash-only items hold some level of rarity is to make them similarly expensive.
So the truth here is that I dislike how NeX is not a toy for players of Eve, but a reward for those who spend cash. I do acknowledge that CCP had already made this fact known, and I honestly I don't begrudge CCP's decision in this; making money is the reality here. I am simply expressing my personal disappointment that with zero possible in-game production of clothing, this Incarna update never was about everyone having fun with their wardrobe.
A real complaint about the NEx store is how it looks to everyone that there is so little. Again I don't want to get on my high horse here but the incredibly low amount of content in NeX looks disrespectful. Eight items. It is very clearly only a demonstration of concept, not a great new thing for wealthy players to have fun with, and that's not a good thing to note. CCP, you should have let them have more fun.
+++ I don't demand change with the NeX store, I only hope that it doesn't build a focus of cash-player/non-cash-player into the game. +++
Whine 5: It's dark and quite monotone. I think it starves the player of visual stimulation just a tad too much.
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Trinity Lux
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:28:00 -
[655]
Originally by: Morar Santee Edited by: Morar Santee on 22/06/2011 06:16:32 Considering CCP didn't give a flying **** about our feedback up to this point.. but hope dies last.
It's been said by every second poster in this thread. Please make CQ / normal station environment optional choices.
Please restore previous functionality. Giving us the normal station environment back would go a long way in this.
In CQ, please restore the previous station services window. It is useful to see the NPC Corporation's logo and have a one-click access to its info sheet. I don't know why this was taken away. It makes no sense you would cut out functionality, ever.
Edit: Put ships where they belong in the docking area. They need to be centered above the platform. Small ships ought to look small, not hang mid-air way off their actual docking platform. It makes no sense, it breaks immersion and it looks bad.
Seriously. Please. We're ****ing begging on our knees for you to stick to your promises. It's not really asking too much, is it?
^^ YES FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WE ARE ON OUR KNEES
Turning off CQ should go back to spinning ships.
Ships should be centered on the platform, and for detailled view the old spinning hanger was just fine.
As someone posted before, we should go into hanger and then have the option to get out of pod. PLEASE CCP LISTEN TO US!
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Arya Greywolf
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:30:00 -
[656]
Make it a PERMANENT option to choose either the old hanger view or the new CQ.
/Thread
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:30:00 -
[657]
I'm not usually one to whine or troll, but:
- CQ shuts down my AMD Phenom II 965 CPU, likely via the temperature safety, which no game or application has ever done before.
- Aurum prices, lol?
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:30:00 -
[658]
Is there anyway to turn the station crap off? takes ages to load and for what exactly, im struggling to see the benefit what so ever
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:32:00 -
[659]
Agree with the majority sentiment. CQ should be accessed through a disembark button in the hanger. Better immersion quicker in and out maintains all previous functionality and allows those who could care less about Incarna to ignore it.
This thing is a serious friggin memory hog. over 1gb of ram chewed up per client. And everyone said 8gb of ram would be too much.
Performance in CQ is ass even with a fairly beefy rig, phenom x6, 8gb ram 460GTX it can run one instance ok I guess but I put a second instance on and performance starts to degrade rapidly. I've also noticed quite a bit of buginess with the sound.
Understand I'm not one of the anti-incarna folks I think that the game could really use an avatar based aspect to attract people who just have to have that in a game. But what I don't understand is why the resistance to allowing people to stay in their ships and maintain the existing functionality as well as compatibility for that matter.
It really would be the best of both worlds solution. People who wanted to go in station would need the different interface and shaders but those who are content to remain in their ships could continue to play with their older systems.
The other thing I suggest is do something about the friggin controls. particularly the camera. having to constantly move the camera around manually is just not a really workable solution in a avatar based game. I personally prefer first person view but if you aren't going to do that one generally gets the over the shoulder view unless a different camera option is chosen.
I mean this shouldn't be that difficult it's not like you have to reinvent the wheel here, these types of controls have been in place in MMO's as far back as EQ.
Finally do something to optimize the CQ, I understand you have that new fancy engine and all but seriously you're not even beating the performance of far older and frankly more complex game environments. I mean you're having to render one room it's not like you're having to render an entire city here.
Until you get the performance stuff optimized and worked out no one save for those with the absolute top of the line rigs are going to be interested in incarna and frankly that's not enough people to pay the bills. Particularly when you are talking about a niche product to begin with.
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Auss81
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:32:00 -
[660]
I read people saying: if You don't like it, leave it. Yes ok, but I re-subscribed about 2 weeks ago for 6 months! I was hoping to have a lot of fun, as usual, and eventually extend my sub. And now? I have an expensive PC, which I use also for graphics and 3D modelling, that goes crazy like a Jet turbine when I enter in the CQ.
Who will refund my 6 months subscription??
I want to point out, for those super-hitech, peoples that my PC doesn't have cheap components. I work with it and my job relies on it! It is even without the case to improve ventilation.
There's absolutely something wrong in the Incarna engine.
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Novgond Galathil
Caldari Haw Bratva
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:34:00 -
[661]
I have to agree that the prices for the vanity items is ridiculous... I would have seriously thought about buying something. But 1-2 PLEX per item is psycho. I can get a whole avatar outfit on my XBOX for maybe $5-10 and they at least include a few things to try out without having to spend money...
Tell me CCP, would you rather have 100 people buy $30 items or 1000s buy $3 items?
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Magaskaweel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:37:00 -
[662]
Edited by: Magaskaweel on 22/06/2011 19:37:48 nvm, misread.
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lealenia Aivoras
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:40:00 -
[663]
Edited by: lealenia Aivoras on 22/06/2011 19:41:11
Originally by: Novgond Galathil I have to agree that the prices for the vanity items is ridiculous... I would have seriously thought about buying something. But 1-2 PLEX per item is psycho. I can get a whole avatar outfit on my XBOX for maybe $5-10 and they at least include a few things to try out without having to spend money...
Tell me CCP, would you rather have 100 people buy $30 items or 1000s buy $3 items?
They prefer 100 ppl who puy $30, providing service to 30 ppl much easier than 1000ppl. also more profitable. |
Dan Estrellas Amigo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:41:00 -
[664]
I uh, ran out of room heh and didn't get to express my biggest disappointment with Incarna.
Aura.
I was so happy to hear that Aura was making a comeback. That digital-female sound with which Aura used to speak has to be one of the most well-fitting voice-overs I've ever heard in a game. Somehow CCP took the completely clichT and absolutely nailed it.
Aura of old was absolutely awesome. :( She was harsh, artificial, detached... but with a touch of sadness, yet neutrality.
Honestly, listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k6MauG89E8
The new Aura is just someone with an English accent.
I know I wrote a wall just now about other things; I suppose I was saving the biggest thing until last.
The new plain Aura disappoints me more than anything.
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john roe
BearingPoint
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:46:00 -
[665]
Originally by: lealenia Aivoras Edited by: lealenia Aivoras on 22/06/2011 19:41:11
Originally by: Novgond Galathil I have to agree that the prices for the vanity items is ridiculous... I would have seriously thought about buying something. But 1-2 PLEX per item is psycho. I can get a whole avatar outfit on my XBOX for maybe $5-10 and they at least include a few things to try out without having to spend money...
Tell me CCP, would you rather have 100 people buy $30 items or 1000s buy $3 items?
They prefer 100 ppl who puy $30, providing service to 30 ppl much easier than 1000ppl. also more profitable.
you are right, mate. old 80/20 rule. 80% of income is generated by 20% of customers... all you have to do is to get rid of that 80% customers who contribute nothing special.
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Delfain
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:46:00 -
[666]
My EVE life is not worth living if I can't spin my ship.
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NereSky
Gallente RETRIBUTIONS. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:49:00 -
[667]
Originally by: NereSky Is there anyway to turn the station crap off? takes ages to load and for what exactly, im struggling to see the benefit what so ever
thank god there is one person at the Dev's that included a get rid of this station crap option :) thankyou now i can dock and undock without the pile of steaming horse crap i thought u force fed me lol
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Hecate Lamia
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:53:00 -
[668]
nice, my Proteus now flys backwards. Working as intended.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:53:00 -
[669]
I have to go with the majority here. It should have been dock into the ship hanger, then chose to disembark into CQ. This makes it optional.
CCP, you basically lied to us and now flat out refuse to talk about it.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:00:00 -
[670]
Originally by: Veren Jile Remember all the complaints with the new graphics patch? This reminds me of that. They're not going to make CQ optional, at least I hope they don't. If you have to manually click on the CQ feature to enable it, it ruins the whole point of the update (not to mention people would never bother with it).
The contradiction in your logic is hilarious to say the least. If the people would never bother with it, it means there never was any point in that for them to start with. Therefore, there is nothing to ruin.
I, for one, may be bothered - when there will be any content to speak about, that is. I.e., in a year, if you are optimistic.
Why one should be optimistic in the light of development in a recent years - that is another question.
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:01:00 -
[671]
Faction standings list looks incredibly messy. ______
When the forums asked CCP for transparency, we didn't mean the HUD... |
Le Ming
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:02:00 -
[672]
Please add an option to run. I can't take slow movement. :) Also, it'd be cool to strafe on A and D - i have a mouse to turn my character... Agent finder is very cool. Finally seeing myself in 3D is also cool. :)
Checking out the other stuff now...
This quality feedback was brought to you by: Le Ming
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Rath Kelbore
Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:08:00 -
[673]
Didn't read the whole thread....anybody already do this??
Price for 3500 AUR, 20 dollars
Price for a virtual eye thing, 12000 AUR
23 some odd pages full of rage quits and threats of violence...................Pricless. :P
Anyways, I don't much care about the WIS stuff at this point. It's a step towards something possibly cool in the future, right now it adds zero to the game. I'm indifferent on that front.
The only downside to the patch is the resource usage of CQ. I run 3 clients on "optimize for quality" settings. With two of them in the CQ and one in space, I get maybe 20-30 FPS compared to all three at 60 FPS when they're all in space. So, meh whatever.
As has been suggested, having different graphics settings for space vs CQ would make me happy. As it is now, I'm turning CQ off(which thankfully ccp made an option, let's hope it's not temporary).
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Kami - Kaze
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:12:00 -
[674]
On Update to another with many many patches between.
My ship can do so much only with one klick.
But when can i get a ship where the computer has enough power to calculate a way around a barrier like an asteriod or a station? Without crashing against it again and again and again and again and again and again and so on!!!
Maybe we can go some further - and think about the crashing again and again and again and so on without having a distance between the barrier and the ship where otherwise a carrier can pass through.....
I think this is only a wish. Most people i get into eve quit of course of this f****** anoying s***.
But we can walk on stations with a UI where it is impossible to handle it effektiv. So i have to use the old UI on the left side which is overlaying everything incarna stands for.
WHY? Do anyone @ CCP think about that? Or is it like everywhere -> you are the boss - you lead - i follow
regardless
Blaine thepain
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Ecillium
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:15:00 -
[675]
yet another patch that makes me want a reroll back to dominion
first patch sicnei started playing that made me want to cancel my subs since clearly CCP hates its long time customers. welcome to wow space sim online.
as has been said countless times. make it optional. it ruins nothing, if people dont want to use it nothing lost for those who do - currently a clear minority on the forums (gogo ingame poll?) - its still right there ready to be used. CCP has been more and more forceful about players using their content astime goes by regardless of how much people want it or not. This is a bad way to go.
remove aurum from wallet, its not a currency i will use while i can buy half a dozen hacs for the same price as some boots and doesnt deserve that much attention while there are eight items that frankly on the settings i have to run it on to keep my comp from cooking all look pretty much the same anyway.
ill stick to the pod, apparently the running costs are signifigantly cheaper =/
even the blog about the new pc req stated that ccp KNOWS its customers run multiple accounts as a majority, why would they deliberately screw over their majority? most long term players have 2+ accounts and dual box. why do anything to hinder that? do you want people to cancel their subs and go back to a single account?
im still confused as to how something with the graphics of mass effect runs like supreme commander: forged alliance with 30,000 units on field.
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Tric Starless
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:15:00 -
[676]
You want my feedback? I left it on the test server forums 7-10 days ago. Here it is again, because obviously no one with any common sense read all the feedback on the forums before this piece of **** was released.
Excerpts from my Sisi Feedback: One: On Singularity, it takes me 18-20 seconds to dock into CQ to the point I can do anything useful (for example open hanger or assets).
Same operation on Tranquility takes 6 seconds.
This is an unnecessary, time wasting, useless delay.
FYI, if this goes live like this on the 21st I predict a STRONG dissatisfaction from a MASSIVE amount of your customers.
Two:
The walking interface is very clunky. Other MMORPGs are typically much easier to navigate. You have no strafe keys. Using keys and/or mouse I cannot turn in place without my avatar lurching forward. Character walk is abysmally slow.
There is no First person view, so it is oddly hard to navigate with the non-standard over the shoulder position of the camera. [...]
Three: It just felt weird. Like whoever designed this had never before worked on any game where directed avatar movement is performed. After trying CQ again (first time a few weeks ago felt completely unusable) I am frankly baffled why you just didn't model the camera and avatar movement after the many many mmorpgs out there today (some of which are multiple award winning products). Sometimes things that have become a standard are there for a reason. MMORPG controls are one of them. As a metaphor, let me ask you this: Why would you put a square steering wheel in your porche? Because that's what you've done.
Four: There are other clunky items in design/use of CQ [...]
[...] because of the poor performance of the basic issues I mentioned above, and regardless of how pretty and shiny the video screens and mirror are, I unfortunately have to give you a grade of "D" (below average) on the CQ I have tested today.
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[...] From what I've read posted lately it seems they're in denial about the lack of user friendliness in CQ. Wanted to give a friendly opinion without having to file a bunch of useless bug reports, as some of these things are pure design flaws, not bugs. Thus I'm sure the bug reports would come back as 'Working as Intended'.
Been playing these types of games long enough to know what people will complain (and often quit) over.
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Strafe key would allow me to step one step to the left to better position myself to see/interact with the UI/items in my cabin, instead of working around it by walking in a circle and moving the camera to do it. Same operation takes far less effort with strafe. I can sidestep in RL, should be able to do it here too. There is no immersion in forcibly having to do things in an unintuitive, cumbersome way.
First person view allows me to actually see all of CQ, not my backside (another thing, the center of view (i.e. where your eyes look from) is too low -- should come out of your head, not the sternum). If I want to see my backside, I should be able to just scroll out with the mouse, then back in to get First Person POV. Simple.
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Currently on Sisi, if you switch it off, when you dock you get your normal icons, and a drab dingy flat view of a station wall and door. Pretty ugly. I hope that it's not the final production piece[...] Can't believe it would go live with the current 2d thing in place.
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[...] I really DO want to use CQ SOMETIMES. A simple big 'Enter CQ >>>' button above the 'Undock >>>' button would be perfect.
[...] by forcing us to use the checkbox buried in the escape menu to enable/disable CQ (which by the way requires an undock/redock to apply), you've effectively changed my ability to use CQ 'sometimes' to 'almost never'.
What's so hard about making the clear decision to do it right? I can only assume it's internal politics, as the technical ability to add a button is pretty low. It was in there previously for goodness sake. It actually took MORE effort to remove it.
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Leon Razor
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:16:00 -
[677]
Ok, I wasn't going to say anything because I do like this expansion and what it promises for the future, but CCP, you need to give me one thing:
A faster toggle between the Incarna environment and either the static image or the old hanger view. The current option checkbox is not good enough because I have to undock and redock to use it. I need to be able to leave EVE running in the background without running all of my computer fans at 100%. Whenever I'm docked in station waiting for the fleet to get ready or whatever, it feels like I'm running a chat client which doubles as a computer benchmark.
As a reference, I'm running 2 x GTX 460 SLI and Sandy Bridge.
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Carmen Estacado
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:18:00 -
[678]
Originally by: Hecate Lamia nice, my Proteus now flys backwards. Working as intended.
Clearing your cache should fix it. Has to do with changing the handedness of the coordinate system.
@someone above complaining that the quarters look gritty and not like a home
That's actually intended. They are generic quarters every capsuleer gets and the design depends on the faction that the station belongs to. Think "dirty motel room". I don't mind that as long as we'll get larger customizable quarters in a later iteration.
Well, that is unless I've to pay as much for them as for my real apartment.
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Surumi Fujikawa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:22:00 -
[679]
Ok, so i've stared at this main screen in my quarters for a while now, and i'm pretty sure i have seen all it has to show.
Here are some suggestions on how to improve it:
1) Nullsec is a very interesting place, and even though i decided i want nothing to do with it, its still interesting to learn about sovereignty changes. The way you do it here is completely wrong. Maybe show a top down map view of the area, verite influence map style, and zoom in on the area and show the difference in soveriegnty visually. I realize it would be a major pita to try to get that to dynamically generate, but would improve this segment greatly.
2) I like that you show new players, but maybe you should focus on the newest of the new. This provides a great opportunity for those who are interested to maybe try to recruit that player or at least welcome them to the game. Its kinda disappointing that every new capsuleer i've seen was born 4 months ago. Should at least be within the last couple of weeks tops.
3) The general feel i get from watching it for any stretch is that it was rushed and punted out the door as fast as possible. I realize that you have deadlines and really this isnt as important a thing as getting the engine set properly (also, i had some graphical issues for a while. Game crashed and somehow that fixed them) but really the only thing that is remotely interesting in my quarters is that screen. Imo it is the main content. So when i load up incarna for the first time and look around and see that the main screen is basically playing a set of randomly organized loops, i'm kinda disappointed. Maybe you could consider putting together a team, maybe even just one person, to develop content for that screen, maybe give me the opportunity to choose what to display, or maybe put that one person on developing dynamically generating segments, instead of watching the concord logo over and over, or seeing that guy get blown out of his pod over and over.
4) i love how high bounty characters are put up on screen, but i really think this brings up the topic of the bounty system being basically borked. Putting a bounty on someone is a joke, as you're basically giving them that money since they can just logon an alt and kill themselves. Also, i've noticed a couple familiar faces up there, and i think they might have put bounties on themselves just to get on screen. :S
Also, i was kinda put out by the PI interface screen. Seems kinda lame that you would put a thing there for pi and all it really does is open your science and industry panel when clicked on. Could at least show me dynamically generated video of my planet's harvester cycles or whatnot.
So far i'm not very impressed with incarna, but i like where it is going and i can feel the potential humming in my captains quarters.
The ultimate thing i'd like to suggest (and i didnt bother reading any of this thread) is to have the next allaince tournament play on our captain's quarters screens. So we can all dock up (if possible) and sit on our couch, maybe invite 2 friends over, and watch the alliance tournament live. Epic. |
Lexi Antoinette
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:26:00 -
[680]
24 hours since deployment and ive yet to actually PLAY incarna theanks to the patching process failing and the repair tool... failing..
Uninstalled and re-downloading the client but thanks to my.. ahem... substandard internet connection ive yet to complete the download (im running at a blistering 23.4 Kb/s atm) my fault not CCP, so im not too bothered, it will come when it's ready.
Regardless, all this whining im hearing is pretty funny, "Waah i cant run 16 clients any more. I cant see what ship im in without actually LOOKING, my GPU is running 1 degree hotter" boo hoo cry moar
I have faith ccp, keep up the good work and ignore the haters.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:26:00 -
[681]
Makes me feel a little better knowing that there's peeps here running i7's and having trouble
My laptop struggling with AMD Duel core QL-65 doesn't seem as bad now.
Seriously CCP, 23 pages of mostly negatives and still no comment, seriously?
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Karl Axelman
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:35:00 -
[682]
Edited by: Karl Axelman on 22/06/2011 20:35:45 RIP Karl Axelman 2008-2011
EVE has been a great game ... until now. Performance gone so low with Incarna I cannot play anymore. (DELL D620, WIN XP SP3, 4G RAM, NVDA NVS110)
CCP, please listen to all who post here. Forget walking in stations. Focus on the war on lag. Improve graphics IN SPACE. Make EVE playable again.
Account will expire June 27, 2011
edit: grr! stupid broken forums
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HanSolos Daddy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:36:00 -
[683]
LOL CCP. What a load of garbage. Good job reinventing the wheel and making it square with CQ. As if there aren't already 100s of shooters and OTS/1st person MMO's which have competent POV, movement and interface design. It took how many years to make something this stupid? Please do us all and yourself a favor-grab some people from the Dust514 Team with design, interface and implementation experience to do this properly. Incarna is a horrible waste of your and your customers' resources and does nothing to enhance Eve gameplay. |
Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:44:00 -
[684]
So they still haven't decided to dignify us with even a shortest F'ing answer. 24 hours of community rage, and not a single f;ing word.
LAME PLAYERBASE REACTION TO INCARNA |
Galathea
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:47:00 -
[685]
don't know yet whether i like it or not, but:
why can't i use pgup/pgdown to zoom like in space?
there are ppl out there without a mousewheel (laptop for ex)
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Nikki Sanderson
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:49:00 -
[686]
Ok, since I now got some actual play time and pew-pew in, here's some more feedback.
CQ are "deactivated", can't say that I've ever seen something as un-immersive as the wall pic you get when you do so, but at least you can go afk without worries and it's faster overall, too.
I really appreciate that you managed to speed up the UI and especially the market UI another notch after that big UI update that came with one of the last Incursion patches. Updating dozens of orders got pretty fast back then, but now with Incarna 1.0 the whole experience is even snappier. Awesome work there!
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Ulize
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:50:00 -
[687]
Would be great to be able to snap the camera behind the character, now when I turn left, the camera stays in the same position.
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:52:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Dan Estrellas Amigo I uh, ran out of room heh and didn't get to express my biggest disappointment with Incarna.
Aura.
I was so happy to hear that Aura was making a comeback. That digital-female sound with which Aura used to speak has to be one of the most well-fitting voice-overs I've ever heard in a game. Somehow CCP took the completely clichT and absolutely nailed it.
Aura of old was absolutely awesome. :( She was harsh, artificial, detached... but with a touch of sadness, yet neutrality.
Honestly, listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k6MauG89E8
The new Aura is just someone with an English accent.
I know I wrote a wall just now about other things; I suppose I was saving the biggest thing until last.
The new plain Aura disappoints me more than anything.
That's no English accent. It sounds more Nordic to me - like someone trying to sound English. But are you sure the voice actress isn't the same as the original Aura?
Personally I find English accents a little 1995. There's gotta be better accents out there for a computer voice nowadays - CCP when are you going to get an office here in LA??? Sony Pictures is just a few blocks from my office - they can teach you a few things about aesthetics.
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Spork Witch
Gallente The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:53:00 -
[689]
1) Performance in CQ is fine on my laptop (ATI Radeon HD4600 mobility, turion64x2, 4GB RAM), and I fully expect it to run silky smooth on my desktop, but won't know until I get back from this deployment at the end of the year.
2) When changing graphics settings while docked, the character model (except for my hair) disappears and doesn't return until I change session.
3) Especially until you improve optimization, the in-space and in-station graphics settings _must_ be separately configurable. Though I think it should stay after you improve performance as well. Rendering space with very little to render is easy, rendering a fully 3d environment is not. The main reason you've been able to keep EVE as the best MMO (and one of the best overall) graphically is the fact that space is (in comparison) easy since there's very little (comparatively) to be rendered.
4) Replace the new static backdrop when you disable station environment with the old static backdrop. The new one serves no purpose other than showing off Incarna, and it does **** off the people that hate Incarna (100% of which have no legitimate reasons to hate it other than removing the old station environment.) This solution also has a practical effect, as without the holo on my desk in CQ, or on the balcony, it's not immediately obvious what ship is currently active. Easy enough to just open the fitting window to check, but still. You already created the assets, let the people that don't want CQ keep the old static station screen; doing this makes everyone win, and choice is always good when it costs you nothing.
5) Lighting on minimum graphics settings is very dark and difficult to see, but maxed out looks amazing. Will have to do some investigating to figure out which specific setting makes the difference, but it's difficult because this laptop is very low quality (1-3FPS when I maxed it for a moment just to see how it looked, heh).
6) Let us lay down on the bed in the CQ.
7) Move the undock button to being the pod itself (it makes more sense, especially if you aren't going to show us an animation of entering it and it closing; I would love that to be animated, but skippable, by the way).
8) Though I'm sure you've already thought of it, I'd love to watch the live stream of the next tournament, and fanfest talks, on the main display (TV) in the CQ.
9) Allow right-click-to-zoom on the main screen (TV). All well and good seeing the whole environment, but when I'm actually trying to read what's up on the screen, it'd be nice to be able to zoom in.
10) Make the main display (TV) interactive, letting us choose the various feeds (corp ads, in-character news, incursions, etc.). I understand if this will take time, as you'll likely need to create additional content to permit it.
11) Allow inviting your mates into your personal quarters.
12) As has been stated repeatedly, the prices on the Noble Exchange are absolutely absurd. Even if they were not items like any other in the game (i.e. they're unique to that station unless you move them, and they're lost on death), the prices would still be far too high. The fact that they _are_ behaving like any other item makes the prices even more absurd. As others have mentioned, bring the prices in-line with other similar services such as PlayStation Home or X-Box Live, where individual items are between US$0,25 and US$0,99, and US$5,00-10,00 for full sets. PlayStation Home is probably perfect, as it's _exactly_ the type of content you're looking to offer here (clothing and accessories, and items -- some of which are interactive or allow displaying of custom photos on the wall -- to decorate your personal area with), and their pricing model and offerings do quite well. I'm pretty cheap when it comes to throwing money at stuff like that, and I've still dropped quite a bit on PlayStation Home items, just because they were cool, but _reasonably_ priced. I'm with others assuming a decimal was misplaced on the price. AIM: DeusNecare Yahoo: TheSporkWitch Skype: sporkwitch X-Fire: sporkwitch MSN: [email protected] E-Mail: [email protected] E-Mail: [email protected] PSN ID: SporkWitch XBL GT: SporkWi |
Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:54:00 -
[690]
Originally by: Jim Luc Sony Pictures is just a few blocks from my office - they can teach you a few things about aesthetics.
Also about damage control. PLAYERBASE REACTION TO INCARNA |
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Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:54:00 -
[691]
It would be very nice if the in character partition of the game would have some content / stuff to do.
If it will be limited to drinking beer in a bar and doing irrelevant poses with your character it's allmost pointless to release it. But if it has some sort of missions to do be done like invading random station destroying centries and avoiding detection on some hazy corridors while you go and steal a blueprint from Angel Cartel.. That would make it meaningfull.
For instance streaming of alliance tournament thru the screen we have at captain quarters would be nice. Or display of player made videos. Killboard statistics of major wars.
INTERACTIVE CONTENT .. that's why we play the game.
If the onyl feature of walk in stations is the walking.. it's a FAIL
_________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
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Nasro Drags
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:01:00 -
[692]
That middle screen in CQ is quite a jewel in the making. Maybe adding filters to restrict news to region, add/remove: bounties, market etc etc etc.
I believe there's quite a lot to do there for a tangible benefit.
Captain's quarters isn't much yet, but i'm looking forward to the rest of Incarna.
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Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:02:00 -
[693]
For future walk in stations. Make it so that in low sec and in 0.0 the stations have security zones just like space has low sec and 0.0. What I mean is make it so that
You can do super illegal stuff in the low or no sec corridors .. and you can even get rid of ppl. (not permanently but yes,, you can assasinate ppl at no sec station area) _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
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Loki's Angel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:04:00 -
[694]
enable flash for the center screen in the CQ.....so i can watch youtube and various other things while sitting on my couch
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Galvanized
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:10:00 -
[695]
Smoking Blunts Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 - [75] - QuoteReport
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been in game for 6 years now. this expansion has to be the biggest waste of time and effort ive seen.
qc has made this game unplayible for lots of people. for others its just an anoyance(i want the double click cargo option back ffs) for soem it will be fun for a while til they relise its pointless.
noble exchange, well here you have out done yourselves. you have left everyone with no doubt where ccp has gone in recent years. it outlines that you are trying to milk the cash cow for every little drop of isk you can get.
well done, worst expansion to date
oh yeh forgot, move the dam isk amounts in the wallet back to the left for god sake
All the above....seconded
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Dan Estrellas Amigo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: Dan Estrellas Amigo I uh, ran out of room heh and didn't get to express my biggest disappointment with Incarna.
Aura.
I was so happy to hear that Aura was making a comeback. That digital-female sound with which Aura used to speak has to be one of the most well-fitting voice-overs I've ever heard in a game. Somehow CCP took the completely clichT and absolutely nailed it.
Aura of old was absolutely awesome. :( She was harsh, artificial, detached... but with a touch of sadness, yet neutrality.
Honestly, listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k6MauG89E8
The new Aura is just someone with an English accent.
I know I wrote a wall just now about other things; I suppose I was saving the biggest thing until last.
The new plain Aura disappoints me more than anything.
That's no English accent. It sounds more Nordic to me - like someone trying to sound English. But are you sure the voice actress isn't the same as the original Aura?
Well maybe it's English, maybe isn't, sounds it to me heh.
But what matters is that the voice is totally different. What made Aura special is completely gone. It doesn't matter if it is or isn't the same lady who acted Aura's voice if the voice we hear throws a totally different tone; now all we hear is some lady. A completely normal woman talking.
I was ready for a voice actress change, but not the whole filter and tone.
Aura's real voice not only had that high-tech, robotic filter going; it also had an incredible balance of disconnected sadness. It was really an amazing voice, imo.
Now it's just some plain woman speaking.
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Tagatha
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:20:00 -
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Damn that was a lot of complaining. A quick summary from my POV:
I don't like. I have no use for it. It lags like hell. It slows game play. It makes playing on my laptop ridiculous. "Sorry guys, I'm docking. I'll rejoin the fleet in 5 minutes or so when it finishes loading, I can slowly walk to my ship icon, load up on ammo and drones, and finally undock." It makes playing on my laptop with 2 clients stupid and dangerous. If I have one in space and the other enters CQ, the machine freezes.
Until Incarna, I was able to play EVE on my laptop (which is about 75% of the time) without difficulty. Now I can only do things that require infinite time (manufacturing, research, planetology, flying on autopilot between very hi-sec stations). God forbid I get into a PvP situation. Or want to run more than one client.
Please add an off switch so I can have the old view back. Simply turning off "load station environment" works except then I can't access by cargo or drones.
BTW, if your goal is to make EVE more accessible to new players, you must be looking at only the subset of new players with expensive machines (aka rich) since everyone else will be turned off by the lag. This goal does fit with the Nobel Exchange feature you've added (exchange several months worth of gametime for useless bling - something only the new players with real money to burn will be able to do).
I'm not quitting. I did enjoy this game up until now. The parts you haven't messed with are still worth playing. I will wait and see if you improve this play-stopping development. Meanwhile I will play with station environment off and only turn it on when I need to load something on or off a ship. AKA more game time wasted.
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Joshua Soleater
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:23:00 -
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Have been playing off and on since 2006. Here's my feedback.
- Love the idea of the captain's quarters. Very immersive vs. previous interface.
- Framerate and strain on graphics card is pretty significant, to the point of not being able to move around fluidly (Alienware X13 used). This equates to a frustrating experience where you cannot get to things as fast as you used to. In my mind, this is the biggest problem.
- Related: By not having the re-entry into the station put you where you were last at (i.e. on the couch) it makes it very frustrating to interact with the controls you want to quickly.
- Was expecting more planetary interaction controls from within the captain's quarters.
- Obviously the noble exchange should have been delayed. Not ready for prime time in terms of balancing at launch and the ability to add user created items.
- Overall, much improved interface, but need to address usability issues quickly.
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CEO Frappiato
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:25:00 -
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Looks great! My compliments!
But i want 3d vision back :) it feels like im watching with one eye.
.... and for replacement of spinning ships. Give us a flying camera drone... so we can still see the ship from different angles in the docking area!
The latest version feels laggier then on duality.
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Spec 593357629
Exiled. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:34:00 -
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Runs like a charm ( on a pc that's 4y old I might add, UPGRADE your S*** guys common) Looks fine, not too big, not too small.
I'd love to have filtering option for the display, or customizing options, I was really loooking forward to sitting on my couch and surfing the net.
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:34:00 -
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CQ does nothing for me, just adds another layer of something I will never use. I just don't see the value in CQ. Noble store has no use for me, no value there either, and the same for the new currency, no use, no value. The above are just layers that add a dimension that I have no interest in. The turret graphics and animations- I have not spent time looking at them as I have been too focused on hoping the client does not crash, and checking that things should be as they are. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
Haulin Aussie
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:38:00 -
[702]
Im letting my 3 accounts lapse, pending a response from ccp to this.
EVE-ONLINE is a game about spaceships. It is not Second Life.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:39:00 -
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Incarna is crap. I'm sorry to be blunt, but it is for me and a lot of other players.
CQ is slow, dull and feature poor, pointless (that might change once social aspects are added, but sorry - for now it's fecking useless), the movement and camera controls are far worse than the very first MMOs back in the 90's, the ship hanger part of CQ is subpar compared to the old one, and it looks bloody awful with low graphics settings (necessary on my machine to get to run with at least 10FPS).
New turrets look bad in low graphic settings (or at least I assume it must be my low graphic settings, because art this awful surely can't have been intended at high quality). At least the old ones still looked ok on older machines.
The salvager and tractor beam turret icons look too alike. The old icons were instantly distinguishable. These new ones are not. Where was the art direction, let alone common sense in not making two turrets common used together look alike??
Patching has been crap for many people... yet again. What a shock!
The vanity items are a joke in both pricing and selection.
Worst of all from my POV, is the old ship hanger being replaced with a dull metal wall when we disable CQ - as I did after only five minutes. It's like you're giving anyone who doesn't embrace the craptacular CQ a giant finger. Do you think you can get people to like CQ by punishing us for not using it??? Yeah, that's going to go over well... -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:44:00 -
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Stacking in items hangar: After returning from salvaging and looting a tasty L4 mission in a Noctis, emptying cargo then clicking "stack all" not only stacks the random ammo and modules ontop of what you already have in your hangar but also refreshes the items hangar, shuffling all the **** I wanted to reprocess or sell into my usual stash of stuff. Thanks a ****ing bunch. Had to read through the entire window and pick out all the crap items manually. It used to be that when stacking, the stuff you already had would stack above onto your existing stacks and the rest would stay where it was. You could then sell/reprocess the random crap at the bottom of the window. If you cannot replace that functionality, then let us have the option of right clicking our cargo hold and selecting "to hangar and refine" in the same way we can with ore.
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Rens Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rens Amarr on 22/06/2011 21:52:02 MAKE CQ AN OPTION FROM THE OLD HANGER INTERFACE!
and even a permanent option for those that want it all the time.
I want to see the walking in stations progress. I want a 3d avatar. I want to do other things instation. I'm willing to wait for more stuff. What I don't want is to have to do it every time I dock. Its not fun, its intrusive amd it makes me veiw the rest of incarna yet to come with negative expectation.
The simple solution is to make it properly optional, not the frankly insulting "well if you don't want to support our idea you can have the rubbish interface" option.
I would support Incarna and did before launch - but this "ego hurt, punishment" option is just plain poor customer relations.
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Lock Palas
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon
Worst of all from my POV, is the old ship hanger being replaced with a dull metal wall when we disable CQ - as I did after only five minutes. It's like you're giving anyone who doesn't embrace the craptacular CQ a giant finger. Do you think you can get people to like CQ by punishing us for not using it??? Yeah, that's going to go over well...
This is probably the 100th person to state this fact. CCP get your act together. Dock to hanger > enter CQ (so its optional).
And when we do enter CQ I want the ships to have the right proportion. My brutix looks like a Dreadnought compared to my megathron. What gives.
CQ should be awesome don't make us hate it.
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Duvida
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:53:00 -
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My main issue with this patch is the stress it puts on my GPU. I've turned off CQ for now, as I don't want to have to replace the card because of burn out. I'll try more tinkering with settings later, but right now you have the default settings set to: "Destroy many EVE client computers via stress." (Might be a few people that don't have to replace hardware later)
Could the code be optimized as well? I'll do my part by lowering graphics options, you do your part by refining this currently hardware-stressing code. Learning... |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Che Biko on 22/06/2011 21:55:00 So far, apart from the real bugs, only one thing has bugged me:
I noticed that for some reason my pants are now inside my boots. This is not how I left them. But I thought, alright, I'll just put them back over my boots again. But in doing so, my face turned into a black hole. That didn't bother me that much, until I pressed finalize. Then it asked me if I wanted to save this new black hole face portrait. I declined, cause I rather like my portrait.
The point: I think it's really dumb to have to take a new portrait just because I made a minor modification to my clothes. In fact, I'd probably prefer it if it isn't mandatory at all after any kind of recustomization. If I cut my hair or take a piercing, I don't have to get a new picture for my passport.
Edit: Oh, and I still think un-podding should be optional, for immersion's sake. It's cool that I can see my pod in CQ though.
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Sargon Sattva
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rens Amarr Edited by: Rens Amarr on 22/06/2011 21:52:02 MAKE CQ AN OPTION FROM THE OLD HANGER INTERFACE!
and even a permanent option for those that want it all the time.
I want to see the walking in stations progress. I want a 3d avatar. I want to do other things instation. I'm willing to wait for more stuff. What I don't want is to have to do it every time I dock. Its not fun, its intrusive amd it makes me veiw the rest of incarna yet to come with negative expectation.
The simple solution is to make it properly optional, not the frankly insulting "well if you don't want to support our idea you can have the rubbish interface" option.
I would support Incarna and did before launch - but this "ego hurt, punishment" option is just plain poor customer relations.
YES!
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Jannx
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Posted - 2011.06.22 21:56:00 -
[710]
So, another upgrade, and already on page 24 of the feedback... and it's lukewarm at best, downright hostile at worst, and mostly a big "thumbs down" to CCP. I reckon for every one post on here, there are probably 10 people who'll agree with the gripes without posting.
I've seen a lot of these, in a lot of games. Usually, it's complaints about too many bugs making the game unplayable. Sadly, that's how software development goes due to time and cost constraints. I'm a programmer of 20-very-odd years standing, and it doesn't change.
This time, however, the theme seems to be that the changes were over-hyped, and certain aspects have been broken when they didn't need changing. All very valid points, too. There isn't much here that I (humble pleb as I am) wouldn't agree with.
I managed to play double boxed with the shader down to low. Worked OK, and the ships still looked good, but only possible without the CQ on. The icons for the weapons are horrible (nothing wrong with the originals... couldn't they animate the old guns better?) but I'm just about OK with the "starship experience".
Which is the point, really. The story is that we're Capsuleers, plugged in to our capsules, never seen by mere mortals and living to fly in space... not popping home every 5 minutes to sit on the sofa! If I want to do stuff in my room then it should be stuff that I can't do from my capsule or, at least, make the interaction an expanded version of the capsule commands and services. The only good thing about CQ (at the moment) is the agent finder. Very good idea, but possibly the only one.
I know it's all there as a prelude to a more immersive sci-fi game... but that experience is still a long way off. Right now, we're all still space-farers and that's it. It fits the back story, it fits the fiction and it fits a very good basic concept for the game... we're slaves to our capsules in return for immortality... what the hell do I need a bed for?
Slightly different point but I'm assuming we'll all be able to "buy" things for our little studio flats to make them more... individual. But we go from station to station several times a day so... how can the same things be there at every station? Are we towing our rooms behind us? Will we cease being Capsuleers and all become Caravaneers? It's all a bit odd.
Anyway, along with just about everyone else, can I ask for the two main fixes that will restore some smiles on the faces of your monthly subscribers, CCP? Namely, optimize the CQ so you move quicker and it's not so resource hungry, and to have the CQ as an OPTION from the landing pad? Sorry to repeat everyone else but this forum is beginning to feel like a petition.
And also (because I am a pedant) get the scaling and centering right when looking at the ship from the CQ... it's just wrong.
I won't say anything about the clothes shop... you're probably embarrassed enough about that already.
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niroshido
Caldari Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:01:00 -
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i have some suggestions......
Vanity items > Reduce the price, no one wants to spend 40euros on a pair of in game shoes > At least have vanity items that are entertaining, for e.g. a hat, a cigar, a whiskey glass in one hand. > Keep in mind one fact, the point of PLEX is to create another isk sink, you are not trying to stop people buying PLEX you are trying to increase the demand for it.
Captains Quarters > A feature where you don't have to load CQ which wont force u to stare at a wall instead of touring the CQ > More lighting > More fluid movement in your character > Remove the interfaces when CQ is active, moving around is annoying as hell when you are forced to close or minimize 3 different windows, example the station side bar on your right, with the station services menu, should be the same as the left bar for your char sheet wallet etc, it should be collapsible so it doesn't take up 1/4 of your view. > A faster way to get to your docking bay, either a "run" feature or a button to allow you to warp to the ship hanger.
"imagine some day in the future you and your alliance mate are actually moving around in the station, some staring out the station windows, one guy looking at you through a "cheap" monocle and you look away from the shine in his glass eye outside and see a **** load of hostiles coming out of warp, you make the order to scramble, you and forty + alliance members run around like there ass is on fire for the CQ, to get to there ships > More flexible camera work
New turret types: > Change the icon images in your hanger to stand more inline with the other icon modules, the current icons are awful and give more eye strain.
Many years ago YOU (ccp) have talked about both planetary interaction and station walking, it was a dream that you and your customers have had, yet i cannot feel that both the PI and station walking are incomplete if not completely diluted ideas from the dreamy videos of the early eve years.
We all want immersion, we all want to be able to walk around stations, but it shouldn't be a necessity in most cases it cannot be achieved. Not everyone can be expected to update their pc every year.
personally speaking, i wanted to be able to deploy a revelation on top of a planet, activate siege and watch my ship scorch the planets surface and the feeling of hundreds of dust players dieing in one single shot. Also i want to be able to get naked in my own quarters, i get naked at home why cant i do it ingame.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lexi Antoinette 24 hours since deployment and ive yet to actually PLAY incarna theanks to the patching process failing and the repair tool... failing..
Uninstalled and re-downloading the client but thanks to my.. ahem... substandard internet connection ive yet to complete the download (im running at a blistering 23.4 Kb/s atm) my fault not CCP, so im not too bothered, it will come when it's ready.
Regardless, all this whining im hearing is pretty funny, "Waah i cant run 16 clients any more. I cant see what ship im in without actually LOOKING, my GPU is running 1 degree hotter" boo hoo cry moar
I have faith ccp, keep up the good work and ignore the haters.
What is with people like this who just lap up sh!@? -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Lafrules763
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:06:00 -
[713]
Overall I like the new expansion other than for 2 things.
-We totally need to be able to turn off walk in station for those with old graphic card.
-Vanity Items are crazy expensive. I can't believe someone actually believed that this was gonna fly. I'm not saying vanity items should be 500 isk but you know something's wrong when it cost you a titan to dress up head to toe. If it's not worth it for you to do items cheaper than just forget about the whole project.
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Borkers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:16:00 -
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The turrets are cool for the 30 seconds I see them before zooming out to play the actual game. Noble Exchange items also look good, but are irrelevant without pilots interacting outside ships, and the price does not fit the EVE universe. I get that vanity items are supposed to be exclusive. But does that really make sense? Even the lowliest newb pilot is a "demigod", in a frigate that flies many times faster than light and cracks asteroids. He can't afford cool pants?
CQ: Novel briefly, then annoying. Serves only to make the already complex UI slower, less consistent, and more confusing. I do software QA for a living, and if my company tried to ship a "feature" like this, I would sc**** it off the DVDs by hand if need be.
That said: Agent Finder rocks.
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Elaron on 22/06/2011 22:18:22 The new turrets look good, even if the corresponding icons are a bit lacking in usability.
Captain's Quarters was an interesting five minutes of exploration. The view from the dock balcony was a nice touch. And then I turned the feature off.
It should not have been released to Tranquility. This limited release fails to do justice to the work that has been put into Incarna. At the least it should have been held back until all four races of quarters could be released simultaneously; ideally, it should have waited until some of the wider station environments were available.
As a technology demonstrator on a public test server, this would have been fine. As a public release, it is far below your standards.
Finally, the RMT shop is a joke. Anyone who buys any of the items at the current prices are suckers. This is already starting to get negative gaming press attention, and unless addressed quickly is going to develop into a full scale PR disaster.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:19:00 -
[716]
2 days down, still running 2 clients fine on 1 computer while docked, still havent crashed and CQ still hasnt had any negative impact on my pewpew. ---------------------------------
You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn! |
Neeke Oh'Lamarick
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:22:00 -
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1. Please give hanger view back
2. please move balance back to left side of wallet. Some of us are actually using market to make some isk, so we need market and wallet windows opened, and seeing my balance without switching windows is what I need. I wonder who's brilliant idea was to right justify it.
3. please give old salvager and tractor beam icons back in fitting screen |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:27:00 -
[718]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 22/06/2011 22:28:17
Originally by: Aerek Elesyn
Originally by: Ranka Mei
As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I *love* the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please.
Are you at 42C while in CQ? My I7-950 is pretty cool, but my GTX 580 is at about 70C while in CQ. Although, the model I bought is no longer available and has been replaced with a better cooling model...
Mine is an ASUS GeForce GTX 580 Direct CU II. It's got a way improved cooling system with 2x fans, instead of just 1. It's even overclocked a bit by default, but still runs cooler than a reference card. And, best of all, it's extremely silent. :)
Did another, longer check. Depending on where I'm standing in CQ, and what I do, temps are between 42C-53C. Still nothing at all to get even remotely worried about.
P.S. I have locked at 60 FPS, btw, as my LCD monitor doesnt have a higher refresh rate anyway. --
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Amanda Lookingglass
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 -
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Did you honestly think this was really a good idea?? What were you THINKING?!?!?!
This last patch is a nightmare, your going to lose people as your code is so cpu intensive it will kill their PC's leaving them unable to play. Also as someone said earlier this blank screen of crapness you give people who opt out of walking in station is like giving us the finger.
You took something that worked, tried to fix it and broke it instead. I would go on but i'm just to emo rage worked up now that i can't face it.
You best start making some changes to give the op-outers some of the old options back or your going to see a lot more emo rage heading your way. |
Leto'2
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 -
[720]
Wow i really am a little surprised!
25 pages almost and still no reaction from CCP.
Either they **** on our feedback or they are sooo stunned of our reaction that they don't know what to do.
I hope it's the second.
Very lame of CCP not responding to that much complainment!
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Anra Gaden
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:34:00 -
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I know you guys put a lot of work into this and I truly appreciate it.
Now onto the expansion. Overall, very good. I like the way it works and can't wait to be able to walk around in the main station. Hoping for other rooms to walk in.
One glitch, when uncloaking the gun hardpoints show up before my ship. This was a problem before Incarna and I was hoping it would be fixed. Thanks.
Good job guys, keep up the good work.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jannx but I'm just about OK with the "starship experience".
Which is the point, really. The story is that we're Capsuleers, plugged in to our capsules, never seen by mere mortals and living to fly in space... not popping home every 5 minutes to sit on the sofa!
This makes an awful lot of sense to me. I can't imagine if I was a real capsuleer I'd want to give up the connection to my pod, ship and drones - my body, senses and augmented intelligence when plugged in - every single time I dock for a little while.
I become the spaceship as a capsuleer. That is my primary identity. Outside of my pod I am vulnerable to injury and even perma-death. I am without a great deal of my expanded senses and augmented intelligence.
If you ask me capsuleers venturing inside a station, let alone mingling with even the highest social stratum would be a very rare thing. It seems much more likely we would rarely leave our pods, and when we do we'd be very selective about who we socialise with. I expect we'd prefer to use VR, holograms and drones to interact with non-capsuleers, or potentially hostile capsuleers crazy or desperate enough to risk their own perma-death in a RL fight. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Worzel Bummage
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:41:00 -
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Where's the V-Sync option? My GPU fan is going mental at 99% load, giving me over 200 fps - completely unnecessary and irritating!
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NosubstanceHere
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 22/06/2011 22:47:54 In the immortal words of my CEO "Caca". I'm not angry...nope I'm disappointed (that this is the best you can do). Instead of fixing known issues before anything else, you rush out an expansion that is an inconvenience to many of your subscribers. I have no issues running CQ even dual boxing, but then again I have all the graphics at the lowest possible settings...and I live in a wormhole lol. But when I do go to dock up in a station again...I would like the option of having the old hangar and then entering CQ (though I don't see any reason one would want too).
I have no issue w/ the concept of CQ...infact I was looking forward to it until I tried it out on sisi. The version you have on TQ has the same exact issues as it did (and still does) on sisi. Many testers took the time to report said issues and complaints but it was all for nothing. I knew better and never wasted MY time doing such a thing. Some people claim they can no longer play and others have issues playing at all.
As for the vanity stuff...can't really blame CCP for that...I'm sure some of their subscribers will buy stuff from it regardless of the loltastic prices. It doesn't help the fact while people are complaining about broken game mechanics you guys release Dev blog with names like "Give me death or give me monocles"...know what? **** your monocles (and I mean that from the bottom of my heart). Only Dev that seems to actually listen around here is CCP Tallest <3...give that man a raise!
I wont say you have failed CCP, but u certainly haven't succeeded...but the fact that your efforts have inspired (using this term loosely) a lazy loser like me to spend time writing up feedback speaks volumes.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:47:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Worzel Bummage Where's the V-Sync option? My GPU fan is going mental at 99% load, giving me over 200 fps - completely unnecessary and irritating!
Just set it in your nVidia Control Panel. --
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Torsten Hjaltland
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:51:00 -
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Another dissappointed customer..
I was expecting a nice present to arrive but opened the door to find a turd in a flaming paperbag on the doorstep.
This expansion looks looks like it could result in a player base reduction.
Concept fine delivery shabby at best.
Feedback so far...
I want to be able to be able to turn CQ off and not spend my time staring a a wall like a naughty school kid in stood in the corner. I want to see my ship and have the left click menu back to do simple things like open my cargo hold.
I want to be able to run both my accounts at the same time without lag or crashing, something all previous expansions managed fine.
Sort out the random jamming message that keeps displaying when i'm in space.
Black turret icons against black space really doesn't work! I suppose we will get used to the new icons sometime but the salvager and tractor beams are not good together on the hud.
Let me rotate my ship when in CQ. Add a left click menu on character to select things like; go to sofa.. Go to bed..
Bring back the drag and drop feature to change active ship.
And finally if i wanted to pimp my toon i'd play Sims! If you want me to pimp something let me pimp my ride with corp logos, in game brand stickers and custom paint jobs etc as i spend my time in space i don't give cr*p what my toon is wearing but a red and black custom paint job on my maelstrom would be cool.
I hope CCP roll back this expansion and spend a bit more time developing incarna before re-releasing it.
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Tyburn Stannis
Caldari Xenon Salvage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:54:00 -
[727]
Two days ago I could play EVE just fine, dual box fleet with myself, run round with medium settings and everything was smooth. I could happily fly my internet spaceshipz, dock in and out of stations quickly to deal with admin. Today, after patching... it's... borderline.
I didn't just go out and buy a brand new, just-released hot title, nor do I have any desire for cutting edge OMG-it-looks-real movie quality graphics in my games. I just logged on to play the same game I had been playing and enjoying for a year. And got 17 fps. With everything off and/or turned down, and a door for a view.
And all I get is "trololol ur comp is teh suck, buy new gfx card". Um... NO. Three years ago I paid out a bucket of cash for what was at the time a top of the range gaming laptop and the specs still easily exceed Incarna's minimum requirements, and most of the recommended reqs. It handles first person shooters, MMO's, exceedingly detailed strategy games. And yet I'm sat in station getting lag when I type in an in-game channel, from a patch that has done zero so far to enhance my gaming experience.
"If you want to play EVE, you need a new PC every year". What kind of idiotic message is that?
Dell XPS M1730 NVidia GeFOrce 8700M GT Intel Core 2 Duo CPU T9500 @2.6Ghz 4 GB RAM Windows7 sp1 (32 bit)
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Norsil
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:55:00 -
[728]
you made a game about flying spaceships - and expanding yourself to fly better/faster/harder - why not expand on this ?!?
there are so many mmo's out there that allow me to 'walk' somewhere and i hate the lot of them and its why i chose EVE
then you go and wreck it with this
note to you all - most people do not like it including me - change it back asap or allow us to get rid of it PLEASE
** and why do those empty flappin cans on the shelf follow me to every station - and my ... say ... bpo's or ammo or ships even ... dont .. hmmm **
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:56:00 -
[729]
Incarna = Rubbish.
Walking in Stations: Did Not Want, EVE is s Spaceship game and Capsuleers are supposed to be demigods, not students living in dingy bedsits.
Vanity Items: Did Not Want, Thin end of MT wedge.
That Incarna did not address long term Game Balance and Ship Balance issues speaks volumes for CCP's attitude to EVE, and for anyone who is even remotely in doubt its now blindingly obvious; EVE is CCP's cash cow that will fund Dust 514 and World of Darkness.
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James Razor
Amarr The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:56:00 -
[730]
My Setup:
OS: Win XP Home SP3 (32Bit Version) Motherboard Asus M3N-HT Deluxe/HDMI CPU: Phenom II X4 965 BE (4x3,4 GHz) 4GB-DDR II Ram installed (3GB usable because of the limitations of the 32Bit OS) GeForce 9800 GTX+
And i drop below 25 FPS with medium settings in stations with 1 client running. This is ridiculous.
Revelations dont show all the guns fitted for yourself. On the other side, i can run up to 3 clients with up to 60 FPS (V-Sync is on) as long as no client is docked.
And the graphics in station look awfull tbh. Other games look better and need MUCH less resources to run them. I invested a lot of time and effort to get my female char to look good. But if i look at her in the CQ, i get eye cancer. Doesnt look at all like in the creator.
In general, i think CCP clearly shows with this patch, that they prefer to have a few shiny bits that they can show of, while they dont care about all the waste that is left over from the past.
I play since mid 2007 and since then CCP found almost every time they changed the game new ways to disapoint me. Stop delivering half baken stuff that looks good in the press release but sucks once u actually see it live.
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Worzel Bummage
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:07:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Worzel Bummage Where's the V-Sync option? My GPU fan is going mental at 99% load, giving me over 200 fps - completely unnecessary and irritating!
Just set it in your nVidia Control Panel.
Thanks lol - but I'm using Catalyst. I found v-sync in the end, it's called "Present Interval" in the graphics options. Still ended up turning off Incarna to shut the GPU fan up.
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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:12:00 -
[732]
Edited by: Ranita Drell on 22/06/2011 23:14:54 My primary issues with Incarna:
- The complete lack of playable content.
- Nothing of substance was added the player-driven economy.
While no expansion is going to directly add something to the game that everyone will enjoy or experience, every true expansion should add some substantive gameplay element and expand the player-driven marketplace/economy in a significant way, as these elements comprise the heart and soul of EVE. One might point to NEX store item trades between players as a contribution to the player-driven economy, but but it's really not because players do not have a hand in producing NEX store items, and at best can function for mostly useless middleman for a limp niche market.
Secondary issues:
- Removal of the traditional hangar view.
- Poor performance of CQ -- I worry that tying CQ in with the NPE will drive off many new players with modest PCs that could otherwise play EVE without issue.
- Agent finder does not appear to be accessible from the Neocom.
- No functionality supporting interaction between avatars.
- Noble Exchange goods overpriced by roughly a factor of 10.
- Various immersion-breaking qualities of CQ and NEX.
What I like about Incarna is that it does add a new dimension to the game and am told that it's laying the groundwork for grander things -- making EVE into the realm of a full sci-fi simulation experience. While there are several details of CQ that could stand improvement, I think I would be fairly satisfied with them if Incarna did not have the previously mentioned shortcomings.
I also have a couple concerns about EVE's supposed move beyond the realm of spaceship flight.
The first is that I have very little confidence in CCP's ability to roll out additional functionality in a reasonable time frame. CCP has introduced many new "frameworks" over the years, and has shown a marked lack of commitment to iterating/expanding them in a timely fashion: Factional Warfare, Tech 3, Planetary Interaction, Incursions, PGS textures. It seems the next few months are going to be committed to bringing Incarna near to what I would call a "release grade expansion" (adding the missing racial CQs, expanding the NEX store so it has a reasonable selection, the inevitable tweaks and fixes) -- the time frame for these relatively modest iterations lead me to believe that we won't be using our avatars for things like combat or exploration for years -- probably 3+ years. And by that time, the Incarna framework will have lost its shine and there's a non-negligible chance that the devs will decide it needs to be reworked or that it just isn't worth further developing.
Conclusion: The Incarna "framework" is nothing to get excited about, and the only prudent way to judge the expansion is on what we have now and what's been announced for the near-to-mid term. And that, I'm sorry to say, is not very impressive at all.
The other concern I have about the future that Incarna enables is the potentially fiction-breaking implications they have. Capsuleers are supposed to be fabulously wealthy because we have the rare genetic, physical and mental characteristics that allow us to utilize capsule technology relatively safely. We're called gods, immortals, rock stars because of what the pod lets us do.
But for us to really want to get out of our pods (as players), there has to be a lot ISK in it, and it has to be something we couldn't do in our pods -- but it also has to be something that we, as capsuleers, are uniquely able to do, or else any schmoe could do it and be as rich as a pod pilot. Either a radical progression/retcon of the storyline will be called for to knock us down several pegs, or the fiction will be rendered nonsensical. Or capsuleers will be able to serve as DUST soldiers. But these concerns are moot because as I said before, it's that's all vaporware as far as I'm concerned
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Ricchar Drogo
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:13:00 -
[733]
1) Allow me to drag and drop my ships again.
2) I want my old station interface back. a) I want to be able to spin ships. b) I want to be able to look at my ships without having to load your resource hog excuse for an upgrade. c) I'm sick of this new crap station background I get because I turned off your 'amazing' new WIS upgrade. i.e. All my eve clients while docked get to stare at an ugly brown door and nothing else. d) i want to be able to see the bloody ship I have active without having to pull up the ship screen...or if you won't give me this option, at least make that white box around the active ship stand out more.
3) I'm never intended to buy your micro-transaction clothing, but really? Those are your prices? I guess you can be thankful that people are stupid and will buy that just so they can e-stroke.
4) I'd love to see the statics for how many players have disabled your frankly terrible new interface.
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MasterNameless
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:16:00 -
[734]
Thank you CCP for Incarna. I wasnt keen on it much at first but overall I think you guys did a great job and it adds so much dimension to the game.
I think the only thing I dont like is the mining laser sound. I liked the old mining laser graphic and like the new one also, but I dont like the sound of the new mining lasers. It isnt consistent (sounds happen periodically and at random times, not just when activated) and is a bit weak. It sounds like a mining laser I. The constant pulsating sound of the previous lasers in incursion kept me somewhat awake and aware of what is going on.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:26:00 -
[735]
Incarna? Get me out of this cheap B-movie! ---
Originally by: CCP Greyscale Is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?
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Borkers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:31:00 -
[736]
A $70 monocle is about nine pixels in a pilot portrait.
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Magniras
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:45:00 -
[737]
I for one would simply like to be able to enter the game to see the stuff CCP has given us. CCP, please let those of us with older machines that lack the means to upgrade play your game with our crap SM2 cards, maybe allow CQ to be toggled? Thanks!
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Nabuch Sattva
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:54:00 -
[738]
OK CCP ENOUGH OF THIS!
That brown 2d airlock is insulting. Give us our old hanger back.
Are we being punished for not using CQ? "You don't want it? Then go to the naughty corner, and stay there until you're sorry."
Dock in Hanger > Enter CQ > enter ship OR undock -- Problem solved. And much more immersive.
Thank you
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Vanorlexis
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:55:00 -
[739]
CQ is lame for all this work that went into it , its like as if eve was a game where u walked around in stations and on planets all the time and you decided to add ships to the game so you could fly thru space, well you can fly the ship around in the hanger for a few months to get used to things , basically what this feels like, you fly a ship for years and finally get incarna only to walk around in a closet for a few months or maybe even a year at the rate this is going.
Docking sucks now load time sux for docking No more ship spinning sux When you dock should be old view of ship in hanger , with option to enter captains quarters. jeez everytime you dock i wouldnt think youd fly out in your pod to your CQ just to offload some ore. kinda like going thru the drivethru at mcdonalds then getting out of your car and walking around the building to go inside and get your order then walk back around to your car in the drivethru.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:59:00 -
[740]
Originally by: Nabuch Sattva OK CCP ENOUGH OF THIS!
That brown 2d airlock is insulting. Give us our old hanger back.
Are we being punished for not using CQ? "You don't want it? Then go to the naughty corner, and stay there until you're sorry."
Dock in Hanger > Enter CQ > enter ship OR undock -- Problem solved. And much more immersive.
As I explained earlier, it was pretty clear -- to me, at least -- that CCP would never allow two concurrent 'live' variations of the same station hangar to exist. The static image is just a stopgap measure, to linger on for a while longer, until people have upgraded their hardware. Consider it a grace-period, for it will be removed eventually. They've said so repeatedly.
And don't get me wrong: I even liked the old spinning hangar. :) Having both that and CQ at the same time, though, that's just silly, immersion wise: you simply can't have 2 completely different rooms exist in the same space.
N.B. Perhaps a redesign of the spinning hangar would have been an option; you know, from the perspective of behind-and-slightly-above the ship, as it were, so that it's still the same Incarna space/design, but from a simplified angle (sans the actual CQ, which you would just be able to look at from afar). They didn't choose for that, though. --
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Ibis Drago
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:18:00 -
[741]
Just put it back to how it was!!!
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Trinity Lux
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:21:00 -
[742]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Nabuch Sattva OK CCP ENOUGH OF THIS!
That brown 2d airlock is insulting. Give us our old hanger back.
Are we being punished for not using CQ? "You don't want it? Then go to the naughty corner, and stay there until you're sorry."
Dock in Hanger > Enter CQ > enter ship OR undock -- Problem solved. And much more immersive.
As I explained earlier, it was pretty clear -- to me, at least -- that CCP would never allow two concurrent 'live' variations of the same station hangar to exist. The static image is just a stopgap measure, to linger on for a while longer, until people have upgraded their hardware. Consider it a grace-period, for it will be removed eventually. They've said so repeatedly.
And don't get me wrong: I even liked the old spinning hangar. :) Having both that and CQ at the same time, though, that's just silly, immersion wise: you simply can't have 2 completely different rooms exist in the same space.
N.B. Perhaps a redesign of the spinning hangar would have been an option; you know, from the perspective of behind-and-slightly-above the ship, as it were, so that it's still the same Incarna space/design, but from a simplified angle (sans the actual CQ, which you would just be able to look at from afar). They didn't choose for that, though.
What?
You don't make any sence. There is absolutely no problem with having CQ and HANGER, as there will be no problem when we add different spaces in the stations.
Some times you'll want to just dock, sometimes rest in CQ and other times go into other station facilities.
I'm sorry but you're "2 enviorments in the same place" argument makes no sense. This is going to become a full sci-fi universe we want many concurent, live, persistant enviorments.
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Eldh
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:25:00 -
[743]
Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Frau Klaps Apparently all caps h2 and colours and crap are the only way to get attention so I must follow suit
I REALLY ENJOY HAVING RANDOM SKILLS NOT APPLIED TO MY SPACESHIP VESSEL WHICH I FLY IN THE MINI-GAME KNOWN AS SPACE. IT MAKES FOR A MORE HARDCORE EXPERIENCE. THIS IS EVEN MORE FUN SINCE YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SHIPS AT RANDOM WHILE PEOPLE THAT PAY $80 FOR A MONOCLE ARE INSURED AGAINST LOSS.
Would you like to know more? [X] - Yes [ ] - No
People are reporting all kinds of bonuses and skills not being applied to various attributes.
I've seen people reporting drones being weaker, probes being weaker (possibly obfuscated with scanning changes) and others areas such as damage bonuses not adding up.
Personally, I found it a little strange that my near max spec slicer with +5 damage implants (just pulse spec V missing) couldn't break the tank on a 900k guristas battleship npc . The agility seemed way off too.
Ive noticed same problem, cant break the tank on a 270k angel BC, wth? (my problem is with drones though, flyin ga dommy) B4 patch i popped em in seconds....
//Eldh
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Benjamin Hamburg
Gallente Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:29:00 -
[744]
Edited by: Benjamin Hamburg on 23/06/2011 00:30:58 Dear CCP,
I feel realy sorry for what I'm about to say.
I am thinking of cancelling my account. New gun's model? They looks like ****. I did not think Hybrid gun could be uglier that they were already. You proove me wrong. They are ****ing UGLY! I start looking other models. I realize that they are ALL SCREWED UP! What have you done??? What have you done to your game??? I cand stand it anymore. My Deimos looks like a ******ed fish and even my Hurricane have lost his killer's look.
If only I would be able to let my turrets docked...
BUT NO! Now they dock only when I warp! So what I'll do? Start warping around like a ****ing moron cause I'm ****ing ****ed about ****ing ******ed models? I'm sorry to looks angry, but CCP, I can't imagine you have done this.
But that's not all. What is this GODDAMN Noble Store?! You really think I'll spend 60$ for a ****ing monocle? After being already disapointed about ****ing ******ed gun's model, now I have a reason to be disapointed about YOU! After taking out the pleasure that I had about the look of your game, now you want to also take my money?
But there is more. What about all other issue? Hybrid gun imbalance, Supercapital imbalance, RMT, Botting? Are you all gone crazy? You think I want to spend 60$ for a ****ing monocle when there is people out there that make maybe HUNDRED OF THOUSAND $ just selling their ****ing moon's goo? I'm realy realy realy disgusted by what you have done (by that I mean: nothing).
I were speaking about canceling my subscribtion... hell, **** you... Iv got a 1 year sub...
In the hope you fix EVE for what it once was: the best mmo i'v played so far.
Ben
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Oirienicsa
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:34:00 -
[745]
Frankly this is probably the worst expansion I've seen from CCP in the last 4 years (I've only been paying that long so I dont know if there were worse ones before), but theres absolutely nothing worthwhile in a gameplay element for the expansion, almost nothing as far as rebalancing, and worst of all going from a FUNCTIONAL station interface, to an annoying, slow, and frankly more boring station interface with this silly captains quarters.
Now if we'd been given an option when we dock up to go to our quarters and chill out in there that would be fine, but forcing the playerbase whom as far as I know had little or no complaints about the current station hangar, to a monstrosity that is geting thousands of complaints, then I think even the great minds of CCP should be able to see that something is wrong.
Anways rant over, the turrets look nice.
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Thorne Schwarzschild
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:36:00 -
[746]
CCP excellent Job!! Your concerns about micro-transactions wont have any relevance, always innovative, you just invented Macro-Transactions. Good luck with that! I think I`d rather buy real shoes cheaper.
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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:39:00 -
[747]
Edited by: Ranita Drell on 23/06/2011 00:39:25
Originally by: Ranka Mei And don't get me wrong: I even liked the old spinning hangar. :) Having both that and CQ at the same time, though, that's just silly, immersion wise: you simply can't have 2 completely different rooms exist in the same space.
Immersion wise, it's silly that we're forced to get out of the pod whenever we dock, and that we do so in full view of the rest of the station. These are far more immersion-breaking aspects of CQ than having the hangar view present a somewhat different looking environment than the CQ view.
This concern is easily addressed in any event. You click a "Enter CQ" button and a progress indicator briefly appears while the environment loads:
"Entering CQ-access hangar ..."
You click the "Enter Pod/Ship" button:
"Entering station entrance hangar ..."
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Aelius
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:48:00 -
[748]
Want feedback CCP?! I give you feedback... Since 2003 this has been by far the worst EVE expansion.
Content = 0 Utility = 0 GPU/CPU temperature: OVER 9000!!!!!
If Incarna was a beer... not even Oveur would drink it. _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines |
Aerek Elesyn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:50:00 -
[749]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 22/06/2011 22:28:17
Originally by: Aerek Elesyn
Originally by: Ranka Mei
As for myself, my GTX 580 runs at a cool 42C, with everything maxed out at 1920x1200; and my i7 980X hovers around 10-15% CPU load. So all is well. I *love* the new shiny CQ look, and I'd don't like to see it nerfed again, pretty please.
Are you at 42C while in CQ? My I7-950 is pretty cool, but my GTX 580 is at about 70C while in CQ. Although, the model I bought is no longer available and has been replaced with a better cooling model...
Mine is an ASUS GeForce GTX 580 Direct CU II. It's got a way improved cooling system with 2x fans, instead of just 1. It's even overclocked a bit by default, but still runs cooler than a reference card. And, best of all, it's extremely silent. :)
Did another, longer check. Depending on where I'm standing in CQ, and what I do, temps are between 42C-53C. Still nothing at all to get even remotely worried about.
P.S. I have locked at 60 FPS, btw, as my LCD monitor doesnt have a higher refresh rate anyway.
I thought you had the DUCII when I saw your temps compared to mine. May go with the new ROG GTX 580. Has the same cooling as DCUII.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:50:00 -
[750]
CCP Zymurgist, can I please get an answer to this?
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Alain Ichinumi
Caldari Narita SAF Home
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:56:00 -
[751]
Captain's Quarters are cool, I was hoping for a bit more, but it's a good first step. I like the idea and design, really looking forward to new expansions and features. My expectations were high because of how good the character creator is, but unlike it, the captains quarters aren't technically that impressive. Though that might be to keep system requirements low. Speaking of that, it runs good, with everything at max I get around 60 FPS with a single client, 30 FPS with two. For people having performance issues with multiple clients - try minimizing those clients, that you don't use (don't leave them in the background), then they don't use CPU and/or GPU that much.
Balcony was very impressive first time I saw it. I don't like how the scale of ships is lost, a frigate looks just as big as a battleship.
Main screen looks good, but isn't as useful as it could be. I would like to read Interstellar Correspondents news on it (currently just headlines scroll around(?)), or stats about current and neighboring systems (jump counts, pilots in space, NPC/PC kill counts, etc.).
Maller looks really awesome, good job.
New turret system is very nice, I really hope there will be further updates for launchers and other modules.
Noble Exchange items are quite expensive, as I'm sure you're aware..
Agent finder will be useful, no more shuffling through countless corporations and agents.
Jamming NPC fix is appreciated, they were annoying at times.
Only problem I have is some graphical artifacts around UI sometimes..
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:56:00 -
[752]
CQ should be option, let me have old hanger view Aurum shop too expensive
CQ is the big thing, its laggy and unnecessary. just let us pick when we want to disembark
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:08:00 -
[753]
Originally by: Ranka Mei As I explained earlier, it was pretty clear -- to me, at least -- that CCP would never allow two concurrent 'live' variations of the same station hangar to exist. The static image is just a stopgap measure, to linger on for a while longer, until people have upgraded their hardware. Consider it a grace-period, for it will be removed eventually. They've said so repeatedly.
And don't get me wrong: I even liked the old spinning hangar. :) Having both that and CQ at the same time, though, that's just silly, immersion wise: you simply can't have 2 completely different rooms exist in the same space.
Rubbish, of course you can. You just have the old style hanger redesigned to look like the new hanger part of CQs, or vice versa. Or easier, just allow both and say the hell with perfect immersion. ****, it's not like plenty of other things don't make sense. Who's going to really care that the two hangers look a little different in the short term? -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Mariusz Wisniewski
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:26:00 -
[754]
Edited by: Mariusz Wisniewski on 23/06/2011 01:31:30 My views on Incarna are mixed.
I'm running the game on a laptop with a Radeon Mobility 4100, so I knew Captain's Quarters wouldn't work well for me, and no surprise, it doesn't. Fair enough, I'm not using a gaming rig.
The main complaint I have is that CCP seems to have turned their backs on people with mid to low end setups, and that's unfortunate. You need quite a good setup to run CQ on the same graphics settings as you use in space. It seems that it was a very poor decision to remove the old docking bay screen completely. I don't think that people that can't use CQ should be stuck with a static wallpaper image when the old docking bay worked just fine for them.
Also, the patch is ridiculously buggy. To the point of really being unacceptable. Either the coding is very suspect or the testing was nowhere near thorough enough. While the game is massive, so there will be more opportunity for bugs than a smaller scale game, the severity and frequency of the bugs is not good. Very poor quality control.
Now for the positive. The new turrets are a cool upgrade though again, there are a lot of bugs. Also, there seems to have been some optimization or the graphics in space. Previously I could run most settings on high except shadows, HDR, and Shaders, which were on low, and HDR off. After the update I can turn everything on max settings with my low end rig and still get about 30+ fps. I'm very happy about that.
In the end, the patch has potential, but the rampant bugs are really unacceptable. It seems a number of people have had their game flat out ruined by some of these bugs and serious resource use issues.
Hopefully some path updates are throw together quickly to make this more stable.
Things that need fixing:
1. Return of the spinning ship docking bay. Not everyone's setup can handle CQ. Throwing a bland wallpaper at these people is a cop out
2. If the old bay doesn't make a return, there needs to be a better way to access your ships cargo hold and see which ship is active in station.
3. Performance optimization of the CQ. Seems on even higher end systems to be a massive resource hog on some machines. The fact that some Crysis 2 ready systems are being brought to their knees while mid level rigs run it fine screams CODING ISSUES. If this is the future of walking in stations, CCP is limiting EVE Online to only high end systems. Bad business model.
4. Separate scalable graphics for space and CQ. I can run space on high settings, but need low settings for CQ. Many people are like this. Right now I have to choose between using CQ or having a good visual experience in space. That shouldn't be necessary. Give us the ability to separately adjust our CQ settings and space settings. It's done for character customization, why not the CQ?
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:28:00 -
[755]
Seems the game is using a LOT more resources now, i cant dual box anymore where i previously could use 3 accounts no prob.
So thanks for nothing, worst patch in the history of eve. seriously, i think i am the only one i know in game that hasnt disabled CQ.. yet
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Veryez
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:38:00 -
[756]
Comments:
Movement commands take a bit of time to get use to, would be nice if you could shift the camera view around without turning your character with keyboard commands (I have only done it by using mouse and keyboard, it works but feels strange).
The news feed is great, I love that feature. I think my favorite view is from the balcony, it really adds to the sense of being in a station. New turrets I have seen look great, but I obviously haven't looked at them all yet.
Gripes (very minor) 1) Why can't the bed be interacted with? Shutting down could show us going to bed and turning off the light... 2) Where is the wet bar in my quarters? I would NOT stay in a station without one! I can't believe CCP would leave THAT out, you know you should be grabbing a beer as soon as you leave your POD. 3) Sitting on the couch is a nice touch, but WHY can't I put my feet on the Coffee Table? Sitting on my couch, feet up, beer in hand, watching the news - now that's how I envision my Captain's quarters.
But seriously, if your goal was to add the immersion, you scored.
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Pyrrhic Corruption
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:43:00 -
[757]
CCP, how long until your Macro-transaction store includes decorations for that ugly brown door. I'd like to buy some christmas lights and paint to spruce up that ugly POS lazy cop out excuse for a background. I figure that has to be why you included the god awful excuse for a station environment. Obviously, that background was a brilliant stroke of marketing to force people to buy a better station view.
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Legion Reaver
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:06:00 -
[758]
Edited by: Legion Reaver on 23/06/2011 02:07:09 I want a button that allows me to adjust the output sound lvl's of eve voice ...... that is all.... oh and the new background nebula's THAT is all.
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Misaniovent
Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:10:00 -
[759]
Yep. CPU usage goes from 10% with music and Firefox in the background to 85% with Eve running, and that's with only one client. Nice one, CCP.
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jaguda1
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:13:00 -
[760]
Quarters-9FPS with 2 online. Binned. Noble-Overpriced rubbish. Will ignore. Mining lasers-Can hardly see the laser beams from the hulk, and then non existent with 2 up, also sound gone completely. For the top mining ship in game it's a real shame.
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Fidollah Hookar
Gallente Lookout Mountain Studios
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:23:00 -
[761]
Enable Shift to run -- how am I going to get out of my pod fluid naked, get up that damned ladder, and into my quarters BEFORE the dude on the OTHER SIDE of the friggin' hangar bay sees my fine arse?
Seriously, though, unless I'm supposed to be high or doped up, I'd like the option to be in a little bit of an f'n hurry and run around my quarters.
In the meantime, and in the interest of resource management, I've turned off Captain's Quarters and am resigned to staring at the awesome door. Is that the loo, BTW, or the door to my hangar? If it's the loo -- bonus -- I needed to know where to go when I did that whole running naked and cold thing from my pod at the ass end of my quarters.
Cheers.
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Dhuras
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:25:00 -
[762]
I realize that the new carbon stuff will be more processor intensive, but why is it affecting the game even when I'm not in stations? starting the client takes a while now, and there is often quite a delay between being undocked, and anything, such as stations or ships actually being drawn, so all you see is a big empty space with brackets showing where stuff is, but isn't even drawn yet.
How and Why is carbon affecting this, and please fix, walking in stations isn't worth it if it becomes overly lagging.
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Wokou Hareka
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:34:00 -
[763]
Everything has already been said.
In this topic and everywhere else.
I am not surprised ccp did this.
I will not be surprised that ccp will continue to do this.
CCP taught me nerfing only gets better with age.
CCP are masters of nerfing.
I will still play eve only because I am crazy about space, aeronautical engineering, and other
sci-fi things.
I am not crazy about ccp.
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zoltar pdp
WALLTREIPERS
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:47:00 -
[764]
What to say, by far the worst "expansion" after 6 years playing EvE. Really sad.
Should have made this c-r-a-p optional and leave things inside station as they were before. Didn't see a single thread complaining about it for the last 3 years.
New bugs are just unbelivable, specially if there is a QA team, which is very doubtful.
To the joke QA team: let's say... after July, implement an optional client update that sends anonymous stats of who is using this new "improvement" and who isn't, then please ACT ACCORDINGLY. Thanks.
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Amaldor Themodius
Psykotic Meat
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:51:00 -
[765]
I have 2 issues with this patch..
1- The introduction of Aurum and the store attached is a thinly veiled money grabbing attempt by CCP. No doubt in time we will see the store offerings transtion from cosmetic goods to items designed to provide an ingame advantage. This type of dishonest and underhanded activty is pretty low, even for you guys.
2 - The station environment is unpleasant. I want my spinnning ship back the old interface was much better.. Give us the option to disable the new content and opt out. Perhaps in time the walking in stations stuff might have some merit but at present its just needless crap that does nothing to enhance gameplay.
CCP i keep hoping you will introduce an expansion that's worth having but after 3 consecutive duds.. Planetary Interaction, Sansha Incursions, and now this latest debacle i am running low on good faith. I will keep playing your game but i am not your loyal customer and when an alternative arises expect me to join the many others that rush out the door with enthusiasm.
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Karl Mort
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:59:00 -
[766]
Dear CCP Zymurgist, Apparently CCP is looking to improve Eve for eye candy and micro-transactions for revenue rather than content or game dynamics improvement. Eve Incarna, although pleasing to see, does not add any additional enjoyment to my game. On the contrary, it is a nuisance to dock now. I will disable the walking around when all I need to do is change ships or check the market. If I would have been able to explore the station, interact with bar simulations and other characters, then maybe I would have left it on Furthermore, I am having a great difficulty convincing myself not to cancel my 3 accounts. Incursion did provide new content and I was excited, but rapidly became disfavored with the rewards. Incarna offers me nothing more than a mirror on the wall to look at my character, oh and pay more money to look at shiny things on that character.
Thank you, but no thank you incarna and good luck with coming up with new content. If you do, I may not cancel my subscriptions.
Karl Mort
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Damarn Price
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:10:00 -
[767]
I love it all, and where it is going. But, to enter my quarters, may be best as a choice. I'd like to enter the hanger as usual, with a doorway entry to Captains' Quarters. That way, my other character, who may only get to go to quarters when my main character is not, can and will remain in hangar, to avoid bogging down my FPS's. Which happens badly now. What will this do to the war on lag. But I love it, you guys are awesome with what you are doing, you must be aliens or something, getting us all ready for some real space battles, secretly. Discreetly. Slowly. Smartly. lol. Thanks for your hard work. Can't wait to see what's next.
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XxRTEKxX
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:16:00 -
[768]
We need a detailed list of graphic settings for the Captain's Quarters as well as a detailed list of graphic settings for space.
If I tweak the graphics, I get better FPS in the CQ, but then when I undock, those same settings carry over. I used to run all my graphics settings at max and enjoyed a nice 60-70fps on both my running clients on 2 screens. Now with everything maxed, in space I still enjoy those fps, but in the station, I'm only getting around 30-40fps. If I had the options to reduce the shader, post processing, depth effects etc for in station only, then this would solve my fps issues in station, and I can go back to enjoying maxed out graphics in space as I have before.
A return of the ship spinning hangar as an option would also go along way to curving the negative feedback being shown across these forums and in game.
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Delfain
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:45:00 -
[769]
To add real feedback as opposed to the one I gave earlier, I have many of the same complaints.
I'm not interested in pimping my toon. Pimping my ship would be much cooler, especially with one left shift to the decimal place in price.
I was given to understand that CQ would be optional. Apparently, this was a lie. I prefer a minimalist interface with little to no interference with what I wish to see. I want clean, wide open spaces to manage to my agents, my transactions, and my ships. I don't want for said operations to lag so badly, even my grandmother would complain. Just because the hardware I run is more than sufficient, doesn't mean that I want or need to have your "extras" forced on me.
Furthermore, the only bugfix that was promised and actually delivered was the jamming problem with Guristas. For that bit, I¦m grateful. However, I'm unhappy that other bugs were not fixed. Random jamming bars, bonuses from mods not displaying correctly in information or indeed, not actually applying to the in-game mechanics. (BCUs and the like.)
Finally, in-space performance has taken a dive, so I'm not certain that your expansion is playing cleanly with the upgrade to the new python-based engine.
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:47:00 -
[770]
Captains quarters are nice, animations look good, new turrets are really cool and most of the package is taking a good direction. With one exception.
Aurum item price levels and pricing structure are just a disgrace.
It is completely pathetic how much greed radiates from the choices CCP has made with these. Not only is the stuff obscenely expensive, but the prices themselves are simply disgusting, being made not to fit at all the transfer rate between PLEX and Aurum. Having us exchange PLEX for 2500 units and then rigging the prices in a way that makes it near impossible to ever fully use what we exchanged is frivolous, especially with prices so inadequately high.
I do not object to some things being expensive, but it surprises me that you chose to sink the boat right from the get go as much as you can. Instead of giving players something to embrace and experiment with, you have proven that you either got dementedly greedy all of a sudden, or have the worst possible marketing advisers.
Rethink the prices for items, fast. If you exchange PLEX for Aurum at the 2500 rate, everything in your store should cost fractions or multiples of 2500 (250, 500, 750, 1000,...5000...10,000...) and never weird in-betweens like X200, X300 and so on. Denying us the ability to actually spend what we pay you for without adding even more to the cost is scandalous. Microsoft did it in the Zune store and everyone who understood was disgusted by it. |
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Maes Stryker
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:54:00 -
[771]
Finally got out of my wormhole and got to test out incarna...its amazing! The scenery is incredible and really brings out a lot of what i imagine the non-flying part of eve to be like. It seems a lot of work was put into the little details which really add to the depth. I have to say though that i was most impressed with the screen. CCP really outdid themselves because this is a really impressive piece of technology providing visually appealing feeds which change the screen's functionality. Overall, I say BRAVO CCP! Also wanted to comment on the updated turrets...this was a much appreciated overhaul on the visuals of pew pew. I approve!!
Requests in order of want priority: 1. Gallente, Amarr, Caldari CQs 2. The ability to pay aurum to re-customize your character. I think many players wouldn't mind some plastic surgery from time to time 3. The new forums 4. Updated UI (as shown in a far back devblog) 5. Community station spaces
There were some issues regarding low fps and some glitches but i will post those in the issues thread.
I wanted to send a big thank you to CCP. MAny of us really appreciate the work you do and how you like to push the boundaries of modern gaming technology. Also, I'm always impressed with how you listen to your player base and put up with their often vitriolic and hateful rantings and ravings. Please don't mistake them for the voice of all of us and stop listening! Keep up the awesome work!
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svarog tupan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:05:00 -
[772]
Please roll back to the older turret icons. They are difficult to see and poorly designed as icons. They are damn annoying. Now I have to stare to them and try to figure what the hell they are. Bad design, seriously !
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:07:00 -
[773]
Originally by: svarog tupan Please roll back to the older turret icons. They are difficult to see and poorly designed as icons. They are damn annoying. Now I have to stare to them and try to figure what the hell they are. Bad design, seriously !
Fully agreed! On help channel, the other day, I even asked whether they were broken or anything -- they're that awful.
Oh, and I want my mining lasers sound back, please. --
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Altair Mu'adh
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:23:00 -
[774]
Yet again CCP fails.
I have a top of the line gaming pc. Before the patch i was able to run 5 clients just fine. Now 2 clients won't run missions without failing. I don't even wanna try pvp with this ****ty patch.
CCP, your game sucks. The only reason i keep playing is that eve attracts the best people in the gaming community.
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Heinrich Dekkard
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:32:00 -
[775]
Quick Feedback:
1.) Turret Graphics and Stuff are nice
2.) Blue Strip Miners with Mining Laser Sounds = Just plain awful
3.) Rest of the Update is only Graphical Fluff with no Substance (though i like the Mission Fixes and some other smaller things from the Patch Notes.)
All in all 75% of this new Features are just a waste of PC Ressources that add no new Gameplay Mechanics.
Good thing is that i can turn off that 3D Environment.
Please use all the Money we are throwing at you for something sensible next time.
Cherio.
That whole Aurum and Mini / Makro / whatever Transactions crap really puts me off by the way....
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Candarone
An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:49:00 -
[776]
This is a backwards step for eve- its a spaceship game, its why people play it.
A better time of development resources would have been to re-skin all the other ships up to the T3 standard would have made a greater impact to the game then incarna has, ccp has been on about WIS for ages and what you deliver which only appeals to a minority of players is useless should have held it back and delivered it all in one go- which should be optional for players.
The game is spent in space not in station- new station graphics would have been a better improvement along with the countless list of things that need fixing in the game- if all WIS is ment to be part of the link up with Dust 514 as shown in you're future vision of eve video is a waste of development.
Each expansion recently has been a step away in the wrong direction- their are other better mmo's out there which are better then eve at current.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:13:00 -
[777]
They nerfed my stripminers beams, now it looks like ladar system measuring distance to asteroid. I want my old asteroid ripping effects back. Ho ever came up this change should be shot (ingame) untill they realise their wrong ways and redeem themselfs.
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:31:00 -
[778]
Actually posted this in the wrong thread last night - excessive overheating/resource use, FPS of under 5 with everything turned down = 2 accounts cancelled.
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Erefin Kalantar
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:37:00 -
[779]
Been something of an MMORPG grognard for over 15 years now. You can go a long way with some simple stuff beyond eyecandy and not turning EVE into Second Life (lord forbid) or WoW ... Incarna's ok, a good start I suppose though does have a lot of annoyances yet:
. Fixed camera vertical offset while sitting is annoying. . No zoom while sitting is irritating; can't zoom so the bigscreen is larger w/o burying my head in the wall and standing. . Zoom-horizontal offset effect while standing should be adjustable. I should be able to look closely at my own AV and my choice of surroundings (eyecandy and for screenshots). . Character walks "down" an invisible ramp on the 'customization' side of the couch. . " ...has taken sovereignty from Corp X. in YYY.." Corp. ? Stray period? . It's 2011; why can't we sit anywhere one wishes instead of only on a hot-button-seat (floor, bed-edge, etc). Annoying. . Losing out-space fps for interior eyecandy is annoying, though I admit my computer is getting a bit long in the tooth now (AMD FX62, 4Gb, 8800GT, Win7u64). I hope there'll be more optimizations. . Having to go into high-rez char customizer just to change a clothing item is annoying. '(re)customization' should be for body feature changes (perhaps costing something), with a simplified, faster, lower detail 'vanity' for changing clothes. . Can't take off shoes in one's own quarters. How homey. . All females apparently wear heels.
features:
. Big screen is nice; would be good to have selectable vid channels or filters; displays a lot of stuff I don't care about. Even more interesting to stream avi to it as well. . Character height isn't adjustable as far as I can tell, and looks taller than the "bed" is long. . Emotes & animations. Star Wars Galaxies had a nice set. . Spatialized chat. . Variety in sit idle anims. . Moveable furniture. Furnishing options. Desk. Chairs. Looks more like a lounge than living space.
--erf
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Akemi Mai Yamada
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:53:00 -
[780]
CQ is killing my CPU. I had to turn it off :/ Uses three times more performance than Crysis and Dead Space :/ Also movement is really Clunky. Add "Strafe". The cq-Menus arent intuitive to use :/ Fells also clunky.
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Donna Blitzenn
Wreckage Reclamation Enforcement Consortium Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:02:00 -
[781]
Edited by: Donna Blitzenn on 23/06/2011 06:05:18
Originally by: Legion Reaver Edited by: Legion Reaver on 23/06/2011 02:07:09 I want a button that allows me to adjust the output sound lvl's of eve voice ...... that is all....
Yeah, seriously. Why is there a mic input slider but no output slider? ALL VoIP applications that I have ever used have an output volume control. Except EVE Voice.
And speaking of sound volume - while you were messing with turrets, why didn't you fix the ALWAYS 100% volume and broken, staticky sound playback on certain large pulse lasers? If you're going to make turrets completely inaudible as soon as you zoom out a little bit, at least make ALL of them inaudible instead of leaving it broken for... how many expansions now? Same goes for strip miners. Stop leaving a job half-done, please. And why doesn't the "Quieter Turret Sounds" checkbox actually CHANGE anything when checked/unchecked?
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:05:00 -
[782]
Alright, feedback & comments.
Well, the CQ looks interesting however none of my characters actually look like the ones I'd designed. In the character editor the skin & such all has the uncanny valley about it (which I quite like). In the CQ it looks cartoonish no matter what settings I fiddle with. I've also noticed some of my female characters proportions have changed.
Walking is slow, I also can not find the run key. I've tried shift, double tapping W and such but nothing works.
Turrets look... reasonable. Again, even with the settings on high (but no HDR, post processing or AA) they don't seem to match the ship they're on. Also some of the animations are, frankly, pathetic. 800mm autocannons (most AC's from what I've seen) do little more than rotate their barrels. They do this constantly, not during a firing cycle.
Turret icons are way to dark and ill defined when activated against something. A salvager is a black blob, space is black, you can see the problem.
Turret placement. This has changed but the underlying models have not. This results in things looking silly; well sillier than normal at any rate.
Sound. I've no idea if it's the drones or the guns but the level of noise comming out of my headphones is frankly obsurd. Also, again, 800mm's are no showing firing effects similar to a smaller autocannon (dakka dakka dakka if you will) but playing the old 800mm sound of a single thud. Odd. Conversley even with everything turned up to max the intro music is very quiet (this may be an issue with my machine I admit).
Which sums up Incarna 1.0 I think: Odd. Very Odd.
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Gus Machado
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:33:00 -
[783]
sentry drones not only do not show their destructive power as per patch notes but they also do no damage to bs now.......gj guys.
well so much for ratting maybe i can mine now:(
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Ernar Astrandur
Amarr Oris Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:36:00 -
[784]
Well CQ looks interesting, but it should NOT be the default whenever you enter a station! Please, please let us choose whether we want to leave our Pod and enter CQ or just stay in the Pod and quickly change ships or load cargo.
I like the new turrets though! However their icons could be a bit clearer...
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Tron Flux
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:54:00 -
[785]
I guess none of the professional software developers raging on this thread have ever had anything go wrong in a major application overhaul. Good for you. You skills must be far higher than mine and ccp's as well. I bow to your superiority.
The database applications I work on can be badly broken just by a minor update to MySQL that isn't supposed to break anything. Let alone major updates to UI design and features.
Frankly, I'm impressed that Incarna works at all and it didn't take a week to deploy. I'm also not surprised that it's not perfect yet. There's a pretty amazing variety of system combinations floating around out there, and ccp has kind o the same problem that Microsoft has in testing. There's no way to test them all, so you do what you can and hope that users get on the test server and try it.
Anyway, given all the stuff I've been reading on the dev blogs, there has been a LOT goin on under the hood in the last few months, and it's just a part of the process that some kinks are going to have to be ironed out. This is version 1.0. Stay calm, wait for a patch. Things will get better.
Have a friend who's not having issues log in and keep your skills training. The one thing I will say is that I think I makes sense from a gameplay point of view to go to hangar first and then exit pod/ship to go to cq. But the problem with rolling out software that way is that if it's optional, it won't be widely adopted--and therefore won't be tested, bugs won't be found, and things will never improve. It's one of the worst ways of doing things, but it's still the best way to do it.
I like what this is leading up to. I'm excited about maybe running a strip club or a bar or maybe an orchestra for a while when I get tired of missioning or mining or whatever. I also like that the devs have said that after incarna is completed, there is going to be a strong internal focus on all the little things that need fixing.
So for now, I'd say good job just keeping it mostly up and running with all the changes of the last few months. A little extra downtime here and there never hurt my feelings. You can always go camping or fishing or go to a concert or even play a concert or whatever else it is that humans do when not glued to a monitor.
Cheers.
~Tron Flux
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Dhonner
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:56:00 -
[786]
During yesterday while at work i followed some of the posts in the forums regarding Incarna and got really worried.... is the update really that bad?
So i feared the worst when i came home and downloaded the update and was ready for a real dissapointment.
But what happened? Downloaded the patch, entered the game and guess what? Everything worked smooth as silk and much better than what i expected from the comments in here. One of the reasons i was worried is that my pc is old and i was pretty sure that i would get problems. But none at all.
Of course there is stuff that needs polish but i experienced nothing that ruined the immersion or experience of the game.
CQ was cool and i had no problems there. They need to work a bit with how the character looks compared to how i made the in the crator and the light settings in CQ But thats just polish.
Also noticed a couple of other issues, but they where small and will be posted in the issues thread.
Prices at nobel store needs to be looked at tho. No way i will buy anything there as it is now.
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Hieder
Valar Morghulis. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.23 06:59:00 -
[787]
1) CQ and WIS? Great direction I think, but so far just an annoyance! This KILLS immersion. A captain doesnt have to leave his ship just to drop off some cargo! It should be: Go to old station environment when docked, go to CQ when you select "leave ship". This is a logical progression and the best of both worlds. I wouldnt even mind if logging in started you at the bed!
I recieved a message from GM Panzer regarding this: Quote: Hi,
With the release of Incarna, Captain's Quarters are now an integral part of the game. We realize not everyone is in agreement with the design focus, but we are confident that this is an important step in expanding the EVE universe in a meaningful and fun way. There are no immediate plans to re-enable the old station view, but of course we take the feedback from our customers seriously and furthermore, some of the functionality that the old hangar view had that has been removed, may be added again at some point. Keep in mind that this is only the first iteration of Captain's Quarters.
Sounds like they are trying to forcefeed it to us.
2) NEX is outrageous. Selling hats? I'd rather buy one for TF2 if I ever were to do such a thing. Seems like it would have more use and those hats are cheaper!
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:10:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Hieder
Sounds like they are trying to forcefeed it to us.
When a lot of the people posting here are acting like children, can you blame them? ---------------------------------
You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn! |
Kami - Kaze
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:11:00 -
[789]
QUIT YOUR ABO WITH THE REASON "LAST PATCH"
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND.
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Birdrink
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:12:00 -
[790]
No problems with the patch, although not a high end computer.
I have a slight impression that it now works better than before
But... Although CQ is very nice to watch and play with, for say 5 minutes, that's it. Nothing more. Seen it, played with it, turned it off. Nothing really added to the gameplay (Personal opinion of course).
Also the cut-off of older computers. It certainly doesn't affect 7 or 8 years tech as CCP states but even more recent ones. Consider this scenario: you have to be away from your main computer for say 10-15 days and your alternate, is either a laptop or an older one. Either you'll have to put a long, but useless skill for training, or maybe you are so new in the game that don't have such a long skill.
And there is PI to consider. I for example use day cycle. OK I can stretch it more if a long absence is near, but that's it. Days will be left idle and ISK will be lost (capitalistic view I know).
One solution I can think of is "transfering rights". I mean being able to access and modify your market orders, PI, skills from EVEGate through a transfering mechanism that you have the right to use every X days. And to avoid any possible exploits the whole time that this "tranfering" is active you will not be able to login through the client.
I hope that CCP is "really" considering players feedback. Long live... anything you want :) |
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:12:00 -
[791]
Originally by: Skyreth
Originally by: Hieder
Sounds like they are trying to forcefeed it to us.
When a lot of the people posting here are acting like children, can you blame them?
Originally by: Kami - Kaze QUIT YOUR ABO WITH THE REASON "LAST PATCH"
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THEY UNDERSTAND.
I rest my case.
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You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn! |
Callidus Dux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 07:42:00 -
[792]
One proposal:
Use the current voting system as it is established in EVE (the game) to start wars or whatever. Use this tool to ask ALL your current active customers if they wish to use the current, uncompleted Incarne which does nothing to the player than producing lag and overheating hardware components; OR if they wish the old effective styled hangar.
I do not hate Incarne. I know this is the first step and try. But CCP has to understand, that this current build is problematic in many ways. Please give us NOT TRANSFERABLE shares and start a vote for this problem. Maybe a bad idea but the best proposal I have to offer now. Please do not laugh at me.
Best regards Calli
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Lord Vimuhla
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:13:00 -
[793]
Like many of the others here, I agree CQ should be optional. Instead of seeing the ship in the hangar (which used to put everything into context) you have to instead stare at an unchanging door or play what seems to be a inferior and jerky game that has been tacked on like some kind of freakish siamese twin
The new vanity (AUR) concept is ugly as well - every time i look at my wallet i have to look at a big turquoise "0" below my isk which makes me feel like a cheapskate.
YUK hate it. I may well cancel my subscription.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:29:00 -
[794]
For all the people that are accusing us of being whiners, complaining about changes we don't like, afraid of change etc, etc....
1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your ú2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.
2. What your failing to grasp, from your electronic ivory PC towers, is that it would seem that Incarna is not working on a huge number of your fellow players set up's.
3. We pay for the same product as you and if it wasn't working you'd be whining too.
4. As we are paying customers of CCP, we pay for the development, wages and costs of CCP. So we are morally and more importantly legally entitled to complain when it goes wrong.
5. When other customers with brand new gaming rigs the equal or even better than yours are saying it's killing their rig, then there is a serious problem with this beta release.
6. There is no 6.
7. Most of us were looking forward to WIS, excited even by the possibilities it would bring. Sadly, it would seem that CCP have bitten more than they chew. After nearly 5 years of development they can't get an Avatar to walk around one room without CPU's melting.
8. Fundamental design choice errors have clearly been made. For example, the fact that CQ uses massively more resources than flying in space but CCP failed to make separate graphic settings for the two environments. My PC with AA off, can happily run space on full settings at 60fps with only 25% CPU usage. CQ is turned on, it shares the same settings as space, I dock and it goes up to 98% CPU, a 20 degree jump in temperature and less than 10 fps. So the only option is to turn it off completely, thereby relegating the hard work that CCP have clearly done on it as pointless.
9. CQ doesn't even work on low settings for me. It took 2 minutes for my avatar to fully render. The first minute was just his hair moving about in a black and white box shaped room. Is this now considered acceptable as gold master standard?
10. It's increasingly obvious to many on the forums, both here and in corps throughout the game as well as in the game itself that CQ wasn't ready for inclusion in Incarna. It's made progress since the test servers we were all invited to try, I grant you that. But for full release on thousands of different PC set ups..... it's nowhere near ready, is clearly still beta and shouldn't have released till Incursion 1.1 or even 1.2. Like I said, if most are having to turn it off, then it was a waste of CCP's time and our money.
I'm currently downloading the full client. I'm hoping that with a fresh install and a few other tweaks on my PC I might get it working better.
But should I doing all that in the first place is all I'm saying. I pay to play EVE, not to get it working. That's what I pay CCP for.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:39:00 -
[795]
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 23/06/2011 08:39:50 My general feedback is negative one.
Not because of the NEX shop, because honestly, I don't care about it as long as it's not offering direct advantages in game (like ships/blueprints created out of thin air).
But one thing you've managed to kill with this ALPHA release of whatever you want to call it is immersion. Immersion is not that "immersiony" when you have 8 FPS on completely low settings on a machine that runs Stalker or Fear without any problems. Proposing to buy a new hardware or saying that those games have a couple of years under their belts is not an excuse for throwing up a performance eating abomination of a single room with a single avatar that can move in it that manages to drop FPS to 8.
The bottom line is: those 3-4 year old games, like FEAR, look way better and perform smoothly while your unfinished non-optimized product looks like crap on low details and have 8 FPS.
If you are not ready to release an optimized and playable version of any update you make, then please DON'T.
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Thermoss Devlin
Minmatar StarFleet Enterprises BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:52:00 -
[796]
I only hope that CCP really listens to this player feedback becuase if they don't i don't sincerely know if i will keep my accountsactive.
I only have a few things to say: * Make CQ optional * Do whatever you want with NEX but please don't put ships or blueprints in it. * Don't release updates that are not fully tested.
I personally did not have any FPS issues with incarna at all on maxed settings, but i am fully aware of that quite the majority of the EVE players does not have a high end gaming rig. I personally find CQ annoying and something that bugs me becuase I am not familiar with the changes as allways. but this time it is really killing my urge to continue playing. ------------- Hailgrains (?) hit, cut in crops! If one is to die, Another one is born. |
Ki'ara
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:52:00 -
[797]
Don't want to look on a rusty door when station environment is turned off. Some of my fine Avatars, they are looking great in the Charcreateer, are turning into frogfaces when i use the new incarna environment. Thx for it.
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WootChaun
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:58:00 -
[798]
I agree with what some people have already brought up:
The sense of scale with the ships is lost when looking at them from the balcony. The smaller ships are brought up close while the larger ships are kept far away. This should be changed. Either keep all the ships the same distance away from the balcony or have more objects in the hangar for size comparison. Maybe a shadow on the floor of the hangar? Maybe other random ships docked around the hangar? Whatever you do, don't keep it as it is. Please?
Also, I'd love a button or shortcut that will extend/retract my turrets at will. Retracting them to warp then extending them only to warp again seems really redundant.
Thanks!
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Alxea
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:15:00 -
[799]
To all quitting eve, can I has your stuff? If so contract me all your stuff.
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PhallusDei
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:20:00 -
[800]
Edited by: PhallusDei on 23/06/2011 09:23:49 1/ Double account in CQ kills my cpu ( almost 80% ), please make CQ optional and the default like it was before ( the turning ship, not the wallpaper joke where you even cannot see the ship you selected ). 2/ You have to work on how the light reflect on the characters, cause they look ugly at some place of the CQ. 3/ When walking through the balcony the ship should magnify but it does not, the ship is like a poster which moves the same as you. The results is we have no idea how big is the ship compared to others and it looks unphysical. 4/ The new turrets are great though.
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Jayden Jaymes
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:21:00 -
[801]
for me 1 client with dualcore 1,8Ghz 4GB RAM, winXP, ATI HD 4800 1680x1050 all graphic on max fullscreen mode CQ runs smooth and fast, then undocking, space runs smooth and fast, so its a good work, grats.
problem is after re-dock and re-undock, fps falls down in CQ and in space too, so need more optimization.
the feeling of CQ and hangar is really cool, sounds are cool too. i see lots of possibilities for future developing.
what i miss and hope they will be avaliable in future:
- looking out from a window - travel in a wall-lift in the hangar - toilet/bathromm in my CQ - huge indoor station spaces :)
- bring back the old hangar view and make it optional to choose to get out from the ship/pod
- make vanity items a bit cheaper or make them useful (like implants)
- need 200x more vanity items to choose from
- make a dev blog about why vanity items are expensive for those who have no common sense to see why
- get old-maller back in game with other statistics or something, cause it looks really cool
- and if you want more players, make pvp accessable and fair for all skill level player and make pve interesting
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Lauryne Aquila
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:23:00 -
[802]
Edited by: Lauryne Aquila on 23/06/2011 09:23:44 I've tried Incarna and switched it off. The idea was interresting, living outside his pod, walking across a station and so on... But we're capsuleers, living in space and barely never leaving our ships, why are we forced to come back to CQ each time we dock. That's a ridiculous waste of time and add nothing to gameplay.
Please let us dock as before, with our ship and allow us fast ship ops before undocking and let he CQ optional via a "Leave Pod" button. People could discover CQ and WIS as they want an when they want. I play Eve for spacefight and exploration, not to play an ugly avatar, there's Second Life for this and it's free...
And in the end, the new turrets are interresting but I must admit that the icons are very ugly and it's very difficult to see what's activated or not. But i'm sure you could fix this very quickliy.
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Dalvor Coraneu
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:28:00 -
[803]
I tried the new patch last night. It's clearly early days and there's a lot of work to be done before WIS is a proper part of the game. That said, the potential is there to open the game up massively should it be done properly and I'm quite excited about it long term.
In the meantime, a few thoughts:
- where's the run button? my character is so sluggish i got bored of trying to walk around after a minute or two.
- the load on GPU is excessive in station. my PC is now louder in station than any other game I play. I currently use a 1Gb 5870 so I don't think idling in station should be stressing it as much
- graphics look a little glitchy, especially when checking myself in the mirror
- the CQ causes the screen to be way too busy; create a quick button/option to minimise all grids before trying to navigate the CQ. that way chats/mkt/wallet/windows minimise and let you enjoy the full screen walking
- turret fitting icons are almost invisible; i think it's the 720mm's i had fitted
I can understand some people *****ing on here as it's something new and as it stands its poorly executed. As has been pointed out there are 3-5 year old games with similar graphical standards but nowhere near the GPU load we see in CQ. It feels terrible. I could go on. Since it's a first iteration I'll bear with it, but please, CCP, take the time to fix it rather than rushing ahead with another sub standard release.
PS - I don't have any interest in the micro transaction stuff so no comment.
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Carmen Estacado
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:41:00 -
[804]
Edited by: Carmen Estacado on 23/06/2011 09:45:26 Edited by: Carmen Estacado on 23/06/2011 09:43:22 After now having read a couple more posts on this thread I'd like to add one more point of feedback.
Loading CQ the first time in a session takes ages on my PC. The neocom becomes responsive after about a minute and it takes literally around another 4 minutes for CQ to finish. On the upside, consequent loading after docking is much faster: About 10s for the UI, 30s for CQ. That's probably far from optimal but as you can see from the lack of mentioning it in my previous post it's nothing I can't live with for now and as long as it doesn't get worse.
That being said, and even though the tone of some complaining here leaves much to be desired, I do think that those asking for a 2 step docking procedure offer a valid point. Docking at a harbor does not necessarily mean the crew gets shore-leave let alone that the captain will leave the ship. In fact, in most cases it doesn't. And that's with people that can just walk... now consider a capsuleer.
Being able to dock, unload your cargo and be off again without having to put your feet on the ground seems sensible. This would also enable you to spend more game time (skip-able perhaps) on highlighting the pod, the procedure needed to leave it and having to shower to get all that goo out of your hair when a player actually chooses to leave it. It would also make the experience more meaningful as a consequence of a direct decision: "All work is done, I need to get a drink." or "I don't want to use the com channels to talk to this person/agent but do it face to face."
Note that I'm not saying "Bring back the old ship spinning". I wouldn't mind having the ship being actually docked at a runway and rendered using the Incarna engine and using camera drones to inspect it (And when you leave it you get your avatar and the CQ and can walk the full length of it on a walkway. How's that for conveying scale! :P).
What I am saying is that making docking a 2-step procedure switching between 3 stages (flying, docked but in pod, out of the pod) is reasonable from a common sense and role playing perspective and if it helps with appeasing the people that are complaining about loading times and wanting to skip CQ... even better.
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Catheressia
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Posted - 2011.06.23 09:43:00 -
[805]
Originally by: Hieder 1) I recieved a message from GM Panzer regarding this: Quote:
... There are no immediate plans to re-enable the old station view, but of course we take the feedback from our customers seriously
Sounds like they are trying to forcefeed it to us.
I don't think this statement indicates that. If the feedback in this thread is anything to go by then I think CCP should make some plans.
It just makes no sense that a capsuleer would want to unpod her/himself everytime they dock. Not only that, unpod in full view of the rest of the station! The pod should dock into airlock type arrangement between hangar and a private vestibule in the quarters unseen from the rest of the world (we are all naked in there after all).
I love CQ and where it can take the game but it just doesn't fit atm.
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Dhonner
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:05:00 -
[806]
Entering CQ should be optional. The ship should first dock in the normal hangar like we are used to and we should be given another button to actually unpod and enter CQ.
This would in my opinion add to the immersion as it isnt always there is a need to enter CQ...... especially now that we dont even have acess to the rest of the station. Even then it should be optional to leave the pod and stroll around.
This would be way more realistic then it is now.
I really like WIS but dont want to leave my pod everytime i dock. From what i understand leaving the pod is somewhat a process that you dont want to overdo.
Hope CCP is willing to make this optional.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:06:00 -
[807]
Here is something you should probably read, digest and understand about the people who are paying for your software and services.
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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:07:00 -
[808]
Subscription cancelled, cant play the game with my card and the update doesnt give me a reason to pay money for a new card.
Might return when I got a new computer, but the game overall has gone downhill from when I started 7ish years ago.
Actually Incarna is probably the best update to stop eve-addiction . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online? |
Ytamii Arval
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:16:00 -
[809]
Another plea for the old turret effects and icons. The strip miners are sickening. WTF is that icon supposed to be??
And whoever decided that a thin blue line which doesn't look like it could fry an egg is 'cooler' than a massive powerful beam that looks like it really could vaporize a roid, that person needs to be forced into rehab.
BTW, who exactly requested these things be changed?
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:17:00 -
[810]
I see where Incarna could be going but the current implementation is dire with mixed up UI interfaces, buttons over(or under)lying other UI elements, stressing graphics cards to the limit, slowing down game play and on and on. Totally dire.
RMT are a joke and that can be seen not just here on the forums but in other publications.
Once again CCP fails big time with keeping in touch with their player base and the CSM.
I'm very sorry to say the whole thing has become a joke. For what it's worth (to CCP) my two accounts are now cancelled.
I may be back when this fail cascade of an "update" is fixed.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:21:00 -
[811]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your ú2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.
Intresting aside, a lot of the posts are from people with those ú2k gaming rigs. It's people with reference boards and bog standard mobo layouts that seem to be sailing along smoothly. Well in a limping 'I canna run captain' fashion at least.
Never buy "gamer" gear. It's usually over priced rebadged server grade stuff or complete tat.
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Aria Carna
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:24:00 -
[812]
I honestly don't understand why you all whine so much about CQ. I play EVE on a netbook. A friggin' netbook! With 1.6Ghz Atom, 3Gb RAM and ION graphics. And it is quite playable. It is not 60 fps, but really, is it necessary? Even with my machine I get about 15 fps on max settings (except for no physics and no AA).
Yes, it could be better if CCP allowed us to remain inside the pod and enter CQ only if we wish so. I imagine a flyby from a ship to the balcony in a pod, then it docks and opens, and your get out, put on your clothes and so on. Well, that would be much more immersive, and I think CCP will eventually implement it. But for now I see no reason at all to cancel subscription. On the contrary, I like the direction EVE is moving. |
Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:27:00 -
[813]
Originally by: Skyreth
Originally by: Hieder
Sounds like they are trying to forcefeed it to us.
When a lot of the people posting here are acting like children, can you blame them?
True, although MT is to a degree fine (I'm more concerned about haggling over price on that front) it's ships/modules/ammo for MT that I'm taking umbridge over.
That and Incarna, whilst a nice basic building block is acting very oddly. Guns moving around, black characters turning white... reports of random breast growth. That sort of thing.
It's understandable people are a bit upset.
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john roe
BearingPoint
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:30:00 -
[814]
Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako Subscription cancelled, cant play the game with my card and the update doesnt give me a reason to pay money for a new card.
Might return when I got a new computer, but the game overall has gone downhill from when I started 7ish years ago.
Actually Incarna is probably the best update to stop eve-addiction
word :]
cccp, i dont know if you have noticed it but we (homo-sapiens) are in the middle of global MONETARY scrisis (not economical, but monetary crisis, artificialy created in order to enslave human race even more and reduce it's population... which will be a good thing) and not all of us can afford a new 'puter' every 6 months so...
many of us will have to leave.
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Aphatasis
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:42:00 -
[815]
Edited by: Aphatasis on 23/06/2011 10:43:39
!!! GIVE US ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTONS IN A DEVBLOG !!! |
Adrian Dixon
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:44:00 -
[816]
I prefer the orange beams on strip miners when mining asteroids, blue should only be used for Ice mining. After playing for a few days it needs to be space>old hanger>CQ that would be far better for immersion aswell.
By the way I left Team Fortress 2 for EVE because valve added those Micro-transactions.
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Clementine A
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:53:00 -
[817]
Pretty much has been said here already, anyway here's my rant.
CQ is a good idea, but honestly right now it's just horrible. Long loading time, poor performances. I don't know how it's coded, I've run many 3D games that look fantastic & perform much better. Perhaps my card is too old for the shading features used, but I think I'm not alone in this case. So it's a pretty bad move.
The lighting in the room is just.. horrible. I've turned everything to max, just to see how it looks like. My "incarnation" looks so bad with those lights... Anyway, this is just a detail, far less important than poor performances.
I'd like the old hangar view to be back. With an action : "get out of my capsule". I often dock just for a few seconds, unloading cargo or repairing things, I don't have to get out of my capsule for that. Even when walking in the station will be fully implemented, we should stay in the capsule until we decide to get out. I don't need to get out for the unloading of my containers.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.23 10:54:00 -
[818]
Heh, so this is really where you want me to post this? In a competley ignored feedback thread? Fine sure, here goes...
EvE Online is made up of two distinct parts, CCP and it's player base. Admittedly, we've never given you a very easy time CCP, but by and large most have been quite happy with what you've given us. I've been here since '08, and in that time you showered us with revemaped graphics, a new line of strategic cruisers, wormholes and incursions, and done a pretty good job too. Now this...well what to say? During all the time i was here, i've never seen so much flame and hate towards an expansion before it even came out. Oh sure, the incursion expansion had a little *****ing, people were worried they'd have to join in, ready or not. But this is nothing compared to the absolute $h!tstorm that you've created, hell this time we've got leaked documents portraying you as someone i wouldn't trust with a bucket, nearly every gaming publication is flaming you over the prices of your macrotransactions, a significant portion of your playerbase has turned off CQ and the ones that run it are mentioning massive temps in their rigs. Bravo EvE Online is made up of two distinct parts, CCP and it's player base. I get the feeling they're not on the same page anymore.
I'm done, no you can't have it, I trashed the lot already. To the part of EvE of which i was a member, so long, one of the best online communities i have known.
Yabba Addict
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Marchland
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:00:00 -
[819]
Edited by: Marchland on 23/06/2011 11:03:58
Originally by: Angel HUN Why did you waste so much time on this? Why did you waste so much time on this? Why did you waste so much time on this? Why did you waste so much time on this? Why did you waste so much time on this?
Please give hanger view back, and make Incarna something that you CHOOSE to enter once in station.
Complete waste of the massive amount of time you could have spent making your SPACESHIP GAME better. Turrets are a joke, multi-clienting is damn near impossible, 2x the memory usage for worse performance and a whole patch full of entirely useless "features" making my hard-as-nails spaceship game into insanely high priced Space-WoW-That-Runs-Like-Crap-and-is-less-fun-than-crapping. "The game is outside the station, man" you say? Wrong, turret changes were useless and now getting into and out of space is ****ing impossible because of the lag. New Maller skin? Cute, what about the 45 other ships that needed that way more? I'm not even going to BEGIN QQing about the prices of Aurum; what a joke. They FORCED us into the station with this, forced me out of my POD which I never wanted to leave. Why would I?
I'm truly sad, not angry, believe it or not, because CCP wasted so much time trying to be like WoW they forgot what made their game great: Spaceships. It's been said earlier: the sense of scale is gone, or mutilated is a better word. The technical impact has rendered a lot of players unable to play. The only "upgrade" being the turret effects is hilarious, since half of the turrets descriptions are misrepresented. (4 barrels? How about TWO!).
"This is only the beginning" you say? I don't care; If I can't feel like I have control of a massive starship, docked or undocked, it just doesn't feel right. Things, in fact, can only get worse as they expand the area we are forced out of our pods and into more and more.
In my opinion the future of EVE Online rested on this patch, and it did NOT deliver. I thought CCP was kidding with their ambitious "Take over the world" campaign. They just did a swell job of nipping that in the bud; you sunk your own battleship. That ambition got the best you guys and I hope you can fix it before you hemorrhage members.
EDIT: Filtered words, punctuation.
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Doc Endstufe
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 -
[820]
Alrighty, I didn't read through all the 28 pages of reviews I'm just giving feedback.
1) Captains Quarters are nice but -You should be able run! (And strafe =p). Movement is not implemented very good.. it doesnt feel right. -Too dark, no way to turn light up. Only if you make changes to your graphic cards overall settings. -It should be optional to step in the Captains Quarters. If you want to dock and undock quickly it just takes toooo much time to load all that stuff.. and my PC is quite ok with everything else. -Also what do I want with two characters in the CQ? My alt doesnt need it. -Make the graphic settings for CQ's more customizable. E.g. make it possible to make things look different in space and in station.
2) Turrets are nice.. but way too small. To look at battleships turrets you need glasses to find them. I thought they were more massive! And to be honest i dont like the icons, i mean they're ugly.. or i'm not yet used to it.
3) Scaling in the station is very wierd. 420m long ships look smaller than 200m long ships and stuff like that. Also the big ships are.. small! Something went wrong there.
4) You cant spin your ship!
5) You should be able to decide what programs you watch on the CQ monitors. (And include CCP youtube channel and eveTV!)
I cant say that i like the expansion... and thats the first time for eve! All in all it doesnt seem completed..
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Xulit
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 -
[821]
Edited by: Xulit on 23/06/2011 11:05:47 Unlike most people in this thread, I like the new station environment. I'm going to miss station spinning.. Oh well. I actually have one issue, you guys said the performance wouldn't change much, how come do I get an increase of 25 degree Celsius on an Nvidia 470 GTX? Damn! I had to install the EVGA Precision program so my GPU doesn't melt!
EDIT : Stupid alt!
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LordKofler
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 -
[822]
A quick feedback from me:
The New Turret models are awesome, fights look much cooler now. BUT I WANT LAUNCHER MODELS!!! okay the CQ is really useless crap (sry but its true) if u really want us to play eve with the CQ at least give a sprint function!
Also: please, please, PLEASE give me the old strip miner animation! the new one isn't cooler it's just lame, really lame!
The new recruitment screen is well done, so GJ on that.
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Autumn Blaqk
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:09:00 -
[823]
How do I cancel my sub? Since they "Incarna-cized" the account management page I can no longer find "Cancel Subscription."
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Attaia
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:12:00 -
[824]
I have serious doubts about devs actually reading those threads, let alone acknowledging the issues. I like the eye candy, although there are issues - suddenly my boobs got a lot bigger than in the creator. Trying to get those 13yo boys into the game, huh?
I'll be another one to say it: I really see no reason to load full CQ when I pop into station to grab some more ammo or quickly finish mission/request new one. It kinda slows things down even on my stupid-fast, overclocked and watercooled workstation, not to mention it really breaks the immersion - on real ships the captain leaves only for very important reasons, not to restock.
Agent finder is great. Probably the only actually useful addition.
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Doc Endstufe
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:13:00 -
[825]
Originally by: Autumn Blaqk How do I cancel my sub? Since they "Incarna-cized" the account management page I can no longer find "Cancel Subscription."
Tbh thats one thing easy to find...
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Autumn Blaqk
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:16:00 -
[826]
Originally by: Doc Endstufe
Originally by: Autumn Blaqk How do I cancel my sub? Since they "Incarna-cized" the account management page I can no longer find "Cancel Subscription."
Tbh thats one thing easy to find...
Actually there was no button since I'm paying with PLEX; I got linked to the page and it said "No Subscription is Active". Good riddance.
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Khyle Aumer
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:17:00 -
[827]
Unlike everyone in this thread, I'm loving Incarna so far.
Would like to see more CQ variations with the next update. Hope it's not race-specific though, would make more sense if it's location specific. (ie. Amarr quarters if you dock in an Amarrian station, etc.)
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Eldh
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:19:00 -
[828]
Originally by: Alxea To all quitting eve, can I has your stuff? If so contract me all your stuff.
LOL! Hillarious! =)) love it ;)
//Eldh
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KhaelaMensha Khaine
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:25:00 -
[829]
Originally by: Ernar Astrandur Well CQ looks interesting, but it should NOT be the default whenever you enter a station! Please, please let us choose whether we want to leave our Pod and enter CQ or just stay in the Pod and quickly change ships or load cargo.
I like the new turrets though! However their icons could be a bit clearer...
That's a nice summary of how I also feel about the new content. It's a bad idea to force CQ (and Incarna) onto people like this. Instead you should be enticing them out of their pods with cool new gameplay and features. The carrot is mightier than the stick in the long run.
I think we're all waiting to hear if this was just yet another error in judgement or if it was infact a deliberate pre-planned change of direction in the way new content is added. I still have faith in CCP and hope it turns out to be the former but I'm already disappointed either way.
The last really impressive expansion for me was Dominion (and we're still dealing with on-going problems from that even now!). Since then they've all been mediocre at best. Three 'meh' expansions in a row doesn't look good.
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Zanussi Lynx
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:27:00 -
[830]
Guys! seriously, stop your *****ing and moaning. Incarna is great and if u cant run two or more clients at the same time you seriously need to buy yourself a new rig.
Dont be so shortsighted, when Incarna is 100% complete i bet its gonna be the best thing that happened to EvE.
If you have money to pay for eve, you have money for a new PC.
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Kmelx
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:28:00 -
[831]
Just took a look at the Incursion 1.0 feedback thread to see whether this sort of response is usual to an update, that thread ran to six pages - we're on 28 pages of people complaining about Incarna already.
I'd be interested to find out whether CCP have anyway of tracking how many users who have downloaded the update have turned off CQ, that would be a set of numbers I would like to look at.
CCP I realise that you think Incarna is important and will help you to interest new users, fair enough, I have no problem with you looking for new customers, unfortunately very few of your existing users were interested in this feature. In deploying it you've taken development resources off the things we would like to see like new classes of ships etc and space related fixes and features.
To top it off you've taken away the existing hangar system that we were quite happy with, then replaced it with a glitchy, bugged and unfinished resource intensive replacement.
In your search for new customers you've managed to sideline and ignore your existing customers, you need to seriously think about the direction your heading in, some new customers are'nt going to help you if you p**s off athe majority of exisiting customers and they start cancelling their subscriptions.
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ballzack booty
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:28:00 -
[832]
i thank that we should get new paint jobs on the ships not closes for a person you cant do things with. come on we need a button to exit ship make the stations a button not just out when docked. and you have lost some of the player base and dont seem to give a crap. DO something about that and not make new glasses for things we cant even show off.
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Maslow's Needs
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:29:00 -
[833]
Must rate CQ portion of the Incarna downgrade as a complete fail. A system that runs 60 fps or better in heavy combat in space only runs 11 fps in CQ. Environment too dark. All that unesscessary smoke and steam. ( I mean really, you have the technology for capsuleers and can't make pipes that don't leak.) All interactions are clunky and unresponsive. Like others I want the drop and drag ship change back. The store I can only asume is a huge 11 week late April fools joke. Yes DLC is an importan part of gaming company income these days but the standard price is $4 us for a bundle of three or four items.CQ is off in my game and I see no reason to turn on except if you completely rework. If you make the avatar more central to the game I will ust quite as it is currently completely unplayable.
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ninjutzu
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:30:00 -
[834]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot For all the people that are accusing us of being whiners, complaining about changes we don't like, afraid of change etc, etc....
1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your ú2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.
2. What your failing to grasp, from your electronic ivory PC towers, is that it would seem that Incarna is not working on a huge number of your fellow players set up's.
3. We pay for the same product as you and if it wasn't working you'd be whining too.
4. As we are paying customers of CCP, we pay for the development, wages and costs of CCP. So we are morally and more importantly legally entitled to complain when it goes wrong.
5. When other customers with brand new gaming rigs the equal or even better than yours are saying it's killing their rig, then there is a serious problem with this beta release.
6. There is no 6.
7. Most of us were looking forward to WIS, excited even by the possibilities it would bring. Sadly, it would seem that CCP have bitten more than they chew. After nearly 5 years of development they can't get an Avatar to walk around one room without CPU's melting.
8. Fundamental design choice errors have clearly been made. For example, the fact that CQ uses massively more resources than flying in space but CCP failed to make separate graphic settings for the two environments. My PC with AA off, can happily run space on full settings at 60fps with only 25% CPU usage. CQ is turned on, it shares the same settings as space, I dock and it goes up to 98% CPU, a 20 degree jump in temperature and less than 10 fps. So the only option is to turn it off completely, thereby relegating the hard work that CCP have clearly done on it as pointless.
9. CQ doesn't even work on low settings for me. It took 2 minutes for my avatar to fully render. The first minute was just his hair moving about in a black and white box shaped room. Is this now considered acceptable as gold master standard?
10. It's increasingly obvious to many on the forums, both here and in corps throughout the game as well as in the game itself that CQ wasn't ready for inclusion in Incarna. It's made progress since the test servers we were all invited to try, I grant you that. But for full release on thousands of different PC set ups..... it's nowhere near ready, is clearly still beta and shouldn't have released till Incursion 1.1 or even 1.2. Like I said, if most are having to turn it off, then it was a waste of CCP's time and our money.
I'm currently downloading the full client. I'm hoping that with a fresh install and a few other tweaks on my PC I might get it working better.
But should I doing all that in the first place is all I'm saying. I pay to play EVE, not to get it working. That's what I pay CCP for.
whiner
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OldWolf69
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:44:00 -
[835]
Incarna proved to be just a inutile suite of gadgets, absolute unimportant for gameplay. Disabled what i could, but game still works ****ty. Or, yeah, you can call it "the-2000-euro-computer-wasting-game". There are a lot of important issues never solved for some misterious reasons. And now we get this. Who the f***'s vanity are we feeding atm? Another idiot's project just NEEDED to be implemented because his position in company or goddamn what? All functionable we got here was better doable by 3rd party apps, without making game work worser as it did. I remember Mass Efect 1. I know, is old, but engine is Aeons ahead of what we got here, and can be played for fewer requirements of hardware. And here it's just a jerky room. And, for helluva cash, a monocle too. It's a bad joke, a trap for idiots? "Our monocle will make you PAY HAPPY"? CCP, what is going on? This is the "we want you outta game" patch?
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Exo Cab
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:46:00 -
[836]
Originally by: ninjutzu
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot For all the people that are accusing us of being whiners, complaining about changes we don't like, afraid of change etc, etc....
1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your ú2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.
2. What your failing to grasp, from your electronic ivory PC towers, is that it would seem that Incarna is not working on a huge number of your fellow players set up's.
3. We pay for the same product as you and if it wasn't working you'd be whining too.
4. As we are paying customers of CCP, we pay for the development, wages and costs of CCP. So we are morally and more importantly legally entitled to complain when it goes wrong.
5. When other customers with brand new gaming rigs the equal or even better than yours are saying it's killing their rig, then there is a serious problem with this beta release.
6. There is no 6.
7. Most of us were looking forward to WIS, excited even by the possibilities it would bring. Sadly, it would seem that CCP have bitten more than they chew. After nearly 5 years of development they can't get an Avatar to walk around one room without CPU's melting.
8. Fundamental design choice errors have clearly been made. For example, the fact that CQ uses massively more resources than flying in space but CCP failed to make separate graphic settings for the two environments. My PC with AA off, can happily run space on full settings at 60fps with only 25% CPU usage. CQ is turned on, it shares the same settings as space, I dock and it goes up to 98% CPU, a 20 degree jump in temperature and less than 10 fps. So the only option is to turn it off completely, thereby relegating the hard work that CCP have clearly done on it as pointless.
9. CQ doesn't even work on low settings for me. It took 2 minutes for my avatar to fully render. The first minute was just his hair moving about in a black and white box shaped room. Is this now considered acceptable as gold master standard?
10. It's increasingly obvious to many on the forums, both here and in corps throughout the game as well as in the game itself that CQ wasn't ready for inclusion in Incarna. It's made progress since the test servers we were all invited to try, I grant you that. But for full release on thousands of different PC set ups..... it's nowhere near ready, is clearly still beta and shouldn't have released till Incursion 1.1 or even 1.2. Like I said, if most are having to turn it off, then it was a waste of CCP's time and our money....
whiner
Uhm, my laptop is about 3 or 4 years old...it's a little laggy in the station, but that's all. My guess is most of you have entirely way to much junk running on your comps, and you all fall into the large user base who has no idea how to keep their computers running smoothly...i.e. spyware, many start up programs, desktops cluttered, etc.
The fact that it's running a duo 2.0 GHZ processor, 4gigs of ram, and a 256mb Nvidia card should tell you that it's no where close to what they are putting out these days. Compared to a decent PC those numbers are a joke.
Don't get me wrong, you have a legit complaint. Your experience has obviously gotten worse, but what about all these other complaints though? It's just ridiculous, because you can tell it's anti-change...You can't survive in a tech world without constantly evolving. While you may think they are making a mistake by introducing change, they'd be making a bigger one if they didn't. Games that don't evolve end up with a happy community of around 1k customers, while the people who run them usually end up having another primary job elsewhere.
And it's always either the unhappy or the lucky ones who take the time to post. At least that's been my experience. So chances are, just because you see a massive thread of whining, doesn't mean the majority of the community feels that way. In fact, when I am in the game...I see a lot of happiness.
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OldWolf69
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:47:00 -
[837]
And what? Now we need to have all IT degrees to play a game?
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ballzack booty
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:49:00 -
[838]
if ccp cant pull there heads out of there butts and make the game that the players love. there will be no players to play. if that is what ccp likes then we can all go to wow or games that do things for there player base not the bs that we have now.you ft up the game now fix it.
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Capsuleer Newton
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:56:00 -
[839]
Originally by: ninjutzu
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot For all the people that are accusing us of being whiners, complaining about changes we don't like, afraid of change etc, etc....
1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your ú2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.
2. What your failing to grasp, from your electronic ivory PC towers, is that it would seem that Incarna is not working on a huge number of your fellow players set up's.
3. We pay for the same product as you and if it wasn't working you'd be whining too.
4. As we are paying customers of CCP, we pay for the development, wages and costs of CCP. So we are morally and more importantly legally entitled to complain when it goes wrong.
5. When other customers with brand new gaming rigs the equal or even better than yours are saying it's killing their rig, then there is a serious problem with this beta release.
6. There is no 6.
7. Most of us were looking forward to WIS, excited even by the possibilities it would bring. Sadly, it would seem that CCP have bitten more than they chew. After nearly 5 years of development they can't get an Avatar to walk around one room without CPU's melting.
8. Fundamental design choice errors have clearly been made. For example, the fact that CQ uses massively more resources than flying in space but CCP failed to make separate graphic settings for the two environments. My PC with AA off, can happily run space on full settings at 60fps with only 25% CPU usage. CQ is turned on, it shares the same settings as space, I dock and it goes up to 98% CPU, a 20 degree jump in temperature and less than 10 fps. So the only option is to turn it off completely, thereby relegating the hard work that CCP have clearly done on it as pointless.
9. CQ doesn't even work on low settings for me. It took 2 minutes for my avatar to fully render. The first minute was just his hair moving about in a black and white box shaped room. Is this now considered acceptable as gold master standard?
10. It's increasingly obvious to many on the forums, both here and in corps throughout the game as well as in the game itself that CQ wasn't ready for inclusion in Incarna. It's made progress since the test servers we were all invited to try, I grant you that. But for full release on thousands of different PC set ups..... it's nowhere near ready, is clearly still beta and shouldn't have released till Incursion 1.1 or even 1.2. Like I said, if most are having to turn it off, then it was a waste of CCP's time and our money.
I'm currently downloading the full client. I'm hoping that with a fresh install and a few other tweaks on my PC I might get it working better.
But should I doing all that in the first place is all I'm saying. I pay to play EVE, not to get it working. That's what I pay CCP for.
whiner
hmm, i agree to his whining,2 instances of Eve undocked is only 11% CPU utilization on an Intel 860 2.8GHz proc, when both instances are docked, CPU jumps to 38%, not that its a problem to me, but I guess CCP just bumped hardware requirements for Eve to the higher end of the spectrum, what it means? simple, not all people who wants to play Eve be willing to upgrade a pc just to play Eve.
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Tariq Norn
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:01:00 -
[840]
I have a top of the range Alienware gaming rig...it eats anything you can buy off the shelves so please no 'go get yourself a new machine' cruddy replies.
Incarna is crap...it doesnt do anything....it adds nothing to the game....it looks rubbish and kills off my corp mates pc's which maybe arnt quite as new as mine.
The features were not asked for....quite the opposit...the client base is telling you we want improvements in terms of mission variety and content, cap ship warfare, new ships etc etc, yet CCP continue to ignore our feedback.
Subscription now cancelled in protest at a company that continues to do its own thing, instead of what the customer wants!
I will leave my stuff sitting in my hangar in the small hope that ccp sees common sense and changes incarna to an 'opt in' option, leaving the rest of us spinning ships in our hangars, and perhaps looks at the stuff that needs fixing, rather than introducing more crap that is broken....seriously!
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Aria Carna
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:06:00 -
[841]
Originally by: OldWolf69 And what? Now we need to have all IT degrees to play a game?
You don't have to have an IT degree for something as simple as removing spyware and stopping unnecessary services/apps. Its a common knowledge. |
Anghelitus Marduk
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:24:00 -
[842]
Make available the old dock view and getting out of the capsule optional, i dont want to get out from capsule just to unload and get back to space. I have to wait 1-2 minutes for station environment to load. i turn off station environment and i expect to see the old dock view where i can play around with the actual ship... u know the piece of junk that i fly around in space -- the central core of the game. i dont want to see my old ass swinging around my room XD
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Angst IronShard
Minmatar Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:25:00 -
[843]
unscanable ships is in real unscanable signatures ! It's a nerf on probing, not on ship's balance.
ALL signatures are far more difficult to probe now !
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Alexander Third
Gallente Norse'Storm Battle Group
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:26:00 -
[844]
Edited by: Alexander Third on 23/06/2011 12:33:44 3 important fixes that need to be done.
1. I've noticed that even though I have mail, the icon does not blink when I log on. 2. The news panel in CQ does not show up from far distances, say the couch.
Edit: 3. allow 2 jumpbridges per system again, I'd be fine with it going back down to 10K M3 as well, I live in 0.0 and this just makes logistics a huge burden. It makes me jump 9 times instead of just 2.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:32:00 -
[845]
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 23/06/2011 12:33:00
Originally by: Exo Cab
Uhm, my laptop is about 3 or 4 years old...it's a little laggy in the station, but that's all. My guess is most of you have entirely way to much junk running on your comps, and you all fall into the large user base who has no idea how to keep their computers running smoothly...i.e. spyware, many start up programs, desktops cluttered, etc.
The fact that it's running a duo 2.0 GHZ processor, 4gigs of ram, and a 256mb Nvidia card should tell you that it's no where close to what they are putting out these days. Compared to a decent PC those numbers are a joke.
Don't get me wrong, you have a legit complaint. Your experience has obviously gotten worse, but what about all these other complaints though? It's just ridiculous, because you can tell it's anti-change...You can't survive in a tech world without constantly evolving. While you may think they are making a mistake by introducing change, they'd be making a bigger one if they didn't. Games that don't evolve end up with a happy community of around 1k customers, while the people who run them usually end up having another primary job elsewhere.
And it's always either the unhappy or the lucky ones who take the time to post. At least that's been my experience. So chances are, just because you see a massive thread of whining, doesn't mean the majority of the community feels that way. In fact, when I am in the game...I see a lot of happiness.
Personally, I play the game on my home computer and work from home since I'm a programmer (outsourcer) by profession. This computer can handle the most advanced developing environments and many GPU/CPU consuming games with more than decent graphic settings. Additionally, since I'm basically a system programmer (hard core C++/Delphi and recently web app developer) and studied Software Engineering at one of the best colleges in my country (in not The Best) I know how to set up a computer that will use minimum resources. In fact, I've developed quite of few apps myself that will boost the performance of my rig on top of any other application available on the web. I know my way around Registry, Windows API and so on.
What CCP did with this room thingie (sorry, just can't call it "Inacrna" or even a finished product) is a disgrace for my profession. Not only that their dev team vomited this abomination of a room before it was even remotely usable, but they've removed the one alternative that worked for all those years. If you have an unfinished product that you want to rush out for whatever reason (NEX shop, PR stunt,...) at least be professional enough to leave the "Plan B" working - a simple button to allow switching CQ off until the majority of players can actually use it.
I don't have anything against COSMETIC MT items - it's a matter of personal choice. I don't even have anything against Incarna as a concept. It's fantastic. But for the love of God, they've degraded the performance and experience so much that I feel sick when I even think about logging in the game now. Sure, I can play with a nice view at a door, but that's quite different from the time when I started playing when we had multiple functional station interiors per race. The quality and gaming experience degraded to the almost impossible point.
It's a lottery when you're dealing with hardware dependencies of software applications. Some older systems might just have that little tweak that's making a huge difference when it comes to supporting some CPU/GPU intensive applications such are video games. The thing is, CCP got it all wrong, rushed an Alpha version of it out and destroyed the only alternative that worked.
I won't even start on RP elements, or pure gameplay elements that are contributing to the degradation of value of the game with forced CQ. [Petition] Make entry into CQ and Incarna optional. |
Skylar Gray
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:47:00 -
[846]
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 23/06/2011 12:33:00
Originally by: Exo Cab
Uhm, my laptop is about 3 or 4 years old...it's a little laggy in the station, but that's all. My guess is most of you have entirely way to much junk running on your comps, and you all fall into the large user base who has no idea how to keep their computers running smoothly...i.e. spyware, many start up programs, desktops cluttered, etc.
The fact that it's running a duo 2.0 GHZ processor, 4gigs of ram, and a 256mb Nvidia card should tell you that it's no where close to what they are putting out these days. Compared to a decent PC those numbers are a joke.
Don't get me wrong, you have a legit complaint. Your experience has obviously gotten worse, but what about all these other complaints though? It's just ridiculous, because you can tell it's anti-change...You can't survive in a tech world without constantly evolving. While you may think they are making a mistake by introducing change, they'd be making a bigger one if they didn't. Games that don't evolve end up with a happy community of around 1k customers, while the people who run them usually end up having another primary job elsewhere.
And it's always either the unhappy or the lucky ones who take the time to post. At least that's been my experience. So chances are, just because you see a massive thread of whining, doesn't mean the majority of the community feels that way. In fact, when I am in the game...I see a lot of happiness.
Personally, I play the game on my home computer and work from home since I'm a programmer (outsourcer) by profession. This computer can handle the most advanced developing environments and many GPU/CPU consuming games with more than decent graphic settings. Additionally, since I'm basically a system programmer (hard core C++/Delphi and recently web app developer) and studied Software Engineering at one of the best colleges in my country (in not The Best) I know how to set up a computer that will use minimum resources. In fact, I've developed quite of few apps myself that will boost the performance of my rig on top of any other application available on the web. I know my way around Registry, Windows API and so on.
What CCP did with this room thingie (sorry, just can't call it "Inacrna" or even a finished product) is a disgrace for my profession. Not only that their dev team vomited this abomination of a room before it was even remotely usable, but they've removed the one alternative that worked for all those years. If you have an unfinished product that you want to rush out for whatever reason (NEX shop, PR stunt,...) at least be professional enough to leave the "Plan B" working - a simple button to allow switching CQ off until the majority of players can actually use it.
I don't have anything against COSMETIC MT items - it's a matter of personal choice. I don't even have anything against Incarna as a concept. It's fantastic. But for the love of God, they've degraded the performance and experience so much that I feel sick when I even think about logging in the game now. Sure, I can play with a nice view at a door, but that's quite different from the time when I started playing when we had multiple functional station interiors per race. The quality and gaming experience degraded to the almost impossible point.
It's a lottery when you're dealing with hardware dependencies of software applications. Some older systems might just have that little tweak that's making a huge difference when it comes to supporting some CPU/GPU intensive applications such are video games. The thing is, CCP got it all wrong, rushed an Alpha version of it out and destroyed the only alternative that worked.
I won't even start on RP elements, or pure gameplay elements that are contributing to the degradation of value of the game with forced CQ.
This so hard.
CCP dun goofd.
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ballzack booty
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:54:00 -
[847]
why cant ccp do things to make the game better rather than make it a bunch of crap. i dont even fill like playing now. you make a person you cant do any thing with and crap to put on the useless person and set there on your pc and lol at all of us who dont like it.do not give us crap we dont like do the things the players would like. just making this game a big bunch of junk tell us why we got outfits not paint jobs. why we got moor lag not a better playing game. COME ON TELL US WHY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ripperljohn
Caldari Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:54:00 -
[848]
Finished installing yesterday, and from what I read on the forums, I was expecting a total trainwreck.
After trying it I'm pleasantly surprised. Performance is a bit meh, certainly needs improvement but it's running smooth on my 3y old system at max details - as long as i run 1 client, multiple clients in a station are pushing my system to the limit, still running fine as long as i disable HDR and AA though.
WASD controls are similar to some adventures i played, easy to get used to them.
Not a lot of functions in the Quarter overall, but i hope that CCP will fix that over time. The current functions are working well for me, organizing ships or items is no problem for me.
I agree on the NeX, but I'm not to concerned about it as i never intended to use it anyways, and as long as they don't implement items there that change ship stats in a way no normal in-game item does.
What i'd like to see changed:
- old hangar view when the station environment is disabled, as well as a button to embark from the ship if i docked with the station environment disabeld.
- exchangeable interior and gadgets (like holoreels, magazines, chairs, tables, etc.. !produced by players, not to be bought over Nex!)
- a better TV program since the current one does get dull after a while
- actual sound from the TV when it's turned on (and a button to turn it off!)
- more functions in the quarter (let me sleep in that bed)
- being able to run in the quarter
- an option to pull the turrets in or drive them out manually
besides that it's pretty smooth so far imo. (at least compared to Dominion...) --------------------------------------------------
"Look, we're basically on earth to **** and ****. So unless your job's to help people **** or ****, it's not that important, so relax."
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Sheena Tzash
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Posted - 2011.06.23 12:57:00 -
[849]
I know this sounds weird but I actually quite LIKE Incarna.
Fair enough its a bit rough but it shows potential, and while I agree with everyone else 100% with the outstanding issues I would like to give my feedback.
1) Default CQ location
When the CQ loads my default start position is on the balcony and the view is basically looking at the back of my head. If I want to do anything I have to either turn around to look at my ship / hanger controls or walk (yes, a tedious walk) to my CQ to all the fancy stuff in there.
It would be much easier if we could have a default location for where our avatar is positioned when the CQ loads; personally I think it would be nice if my avatar could default to being sat on the sofa facing the monitors; its the most impressive view and all of the functionality of the CQ is within easy reach.
2) Monitor Data
While the 3 monitors look pretty cool the data they show is fairly useless. The left window shows the corp logo and clicking it brings up corp info. But it doesn't actually show me anything useful; just a corp logo.. woop...
The right hand window shows PI - which I don't use at all so this monitor is wasted.
The main window looks cool and I like the graphics shown but again the data is fairly useless. Why would I really care if a noob has passed a pilots cert or if someone has a bounty?
News ticker is quite nice tho :P
Need to make it more cusomisable and add new features like:
- Corp mail / general mail - Market trend graphs - Stocks & share price graphs - Sov changes / maps - Incusion location maps - IGB integration to show webpage content - Access to all ships in station (inc cool hologram! :D)
Essentially the CQ you need to be able to run your entire empire from a single location and all the information a CEO requires needs to be at your fingertips.
3) Mmmmmm... its coming right for us!!
Im sure this has been reported a massive number of times, but your ship doesn't change size as you get closer / further away from it. Its like a picture stuck on a wall that follows you around.
4) Turrets
When I first saw the turret animations I was really impressed and looking forward to seeing them on my ship.
Undocked in my ship and looked at my 425 ACs in their animated glory...
.. and they just spin.
Woo
None of this fancy compact guns, unpacking themselves and blasting a cool lazer light show... just spinny...
I checked the other projectile turrets and some of them are even less impressive and bearly even budge an inch when deployed.
Very dissapointed
I also thought that the scale of the turrets looks a little off too - my 425 ACs looked tiny on my ship, like little toothpicks sticking out. Arties on a maelstrom looked comically small and unoffensive.
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Rabid Gerbil
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:01:00 -
[850]
CCP you and your update suck!
Turret and crystal icons suck, not being able to see your ship when docked sucks! suck suck suck!!!!
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Jenny Starlight
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:03:00 -
[851]
Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 23/06/2011 13:03:44 EVE online is dieing. CCP is doing their best to kill the game as quickly as possible. I think they want to drop EVE online and do other things.
At least give us back the option to spin ship in station. To be honest, World of Tanks is currently much better than EVE Online on all aspects, at least they are open about beeing greedy bastards. Also you can spin tank in garage and there are no session timers.
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Hank Shank
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:07:00 -
[852]
Great job, CCP! I can't wait for common areas in the stations.
Don't listen to all the whiners running this game on an ancient PIII who enjoy spinning their ship more than having feet.
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Ley Lee
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:09:00 -
[853]
Edited by: Ley Lee on 23/06/2011 13:11:05
Hi, there.
Incarna is fine, just disable "Load station environment" in Graphics options, I'll miss the review of my ships anyway
In this case can it be possible to turn off light, above the door on the bitmap with station environment picture - it beams directly into my left eye - I can't sleep
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ballzack booty
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:10:00 -
[854]
well i gess that the devs are in to sucking on there useless players digital willes rather than give us ansers to our probs with the new crap thay put on game. you know i fill like a G-n-R song used to love her but had to kill her and eve is bared in my back yard.thats all ti is good for now you put crap in the bole and flush!!!!!
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Omen Talozan
Gallente Lunar Asylum
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:10:00 -
[855]
when will we get the rest of incarna?
offtopic: i love the emo teens crying about patches and expansions. its been hillarious for years and still is. sure cancel your subscription cus you know... whenever someone leaves eve the collective IQ increases Be Free. Be Modern. Be Rish. Be Miner! Join Kung Corp today. |
Jannx
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:16:00 -
[856]
Originally by: Zanussi Lynx Guys! seriously, stop your *****ing and moaning. Incarna is great and if u cant run two or more clients at the same time you seriously need to buy yourself a new rig.
Dont be so shortsighted, when Incarna is 100% complete i bet its gonna be the best thing that happened to EvE.
If you have money to pay for eve, you have money for a new PC.
Fed up with this sort of attitude. This isn't "whining", it's airing our dissatisfaction with what CCP have done.
The game worked on most systems up until the patch, and now a lot of people have serious hardware issues directly caused by the game. That means, frankly, it's not been tested properly or fully optimised, which also means it was rushed.
Incarna isn't any where near to getting started let alone being anything other than a little eye candy, and not even that after 5 minutes. What this should be is NOT part of EVE but an add-on if and when a player buys Dust 514... that would make far more sense.
Plus, people playing right now have no option to keep playing, or (at least) keep their subscription until it runs out. It's all pre-paid. Why the hell should I upgrade my machine when I've already paid to play it and it worked fine until CCP screwed it up?
If you like the upgrade then, fine, say so. Don't go saying stupid things like "If you have money to pay for eve, you have money for a new PC" because that categorically is NOT the case for most people. If you've got money to burn then go buy me a monacle.
These complaints are, overwhelmingly, legitimate. This is a major backward step by CCP. Anybody remember when Sony did something similar to Star Wars Galaxies? People left in droves. What are people supposed to do if they're dissatisfied with a product that they've already paid for, which now doesn't work as expected through no fault of theirs? They complain. At least CCP let us do that, even if we are hived off into a corner and ignored.
What is insulting is that CCP have gone silent on the release. Seriously, this is no way to treat their subscribers.
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Brunmunde Hildegaard
Minmatar The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:16:00 -
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So after reading so many posts about performance problems yesterday in this thread I decided to do a little testing of my own using the following hardware (which I posted yesterday as well but here's a recap) If this is the wrong place to be posting performance information concerning Incarna then I do apologize and request this post be moved to the appropriate section.
CPU: LGA 775 Pentium 4 Prescott HT 3.0ghz (yes, 1 physical core and 1 virtual core) RAM: 2gb Corsair DDR2-667 @ 533mhz clock // 1.8v (4-4-4-12 timings, RAM is made to run at 667mhz with 5-5-5-15 so it's "balanced" I suppose) MOBO: MSI P4M890M GPU: XFX GeForce 9600 GT 512mb PCIe x16 (ForceWare 260.99) HDD: 500gb Hitachi 7200RPM IDE (yes, no SATA) OS: Windows 7 Ultimate x86, -HEAVILY- tweaked and stripped of unnecessary Micro$oft garbage. I have advanced knowledge and over 15 years of experience with Windows based computers. My settings should I post them ARE NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THE STANDARD USER. You have been warned.
My system idles with < = 1% CPU usage and about 17% Memory consumption with a task list of 24 processes (25 with the task manager itself so +1) running. Keep in mind I have just 2gb of memory. Important things to know about my OS setup: -- Windows Firewall has been deactivated. I have a hardware firewall. -- I have no antivirus program, no need for one on this machine. -- Windows Defender has been deactivated. -- UAC has been deactivated. -- Various services and processes not required to sustain the Windows kernal (Such as Plug and Play related services which can be activated manually) and operation of the OS have been deactivated. -- I have personally tailored the ForceWare drivers in the nVidia Control Panel for my GPU for performance over quality. Personally I see no real difference in texture quality in game etc. PhysX and frame prerenders are set to be handled by my GPU taking that load off my poor Pentium 4.
==================== Single Client Report ==================== Station load time regardless of game graphics settings (tested with lowest settings, a medium range of settings, and highest settings) remains at +/- half a minute. In station Captain's Quarters FPS as per in the game FPS tool -- Lowest: 14.1 // Highest: 29.6 accounting for avatar movement, different camera positions, and also regardless of graphical setting.
I am happy to report an actual increase in FPS whilst in space, with the highest game settings post-patch. Before Incarna I averaged 42 FPS in space while ratting or doing missions. I seem to balance at an even 55 now. =============== Dual Client Report =============== Dual boxing with Captain's Quarters activated on both client junctions is still possible for my machine although the strain of the new content is very apparent if one or both characters are docked. Client responsiveness has been noticeably impaired, which is to be expected from such an update. I disabled resource caching in the clients' options which lead to slightly longer loading times for both clients but less performance hit once a character was in space. I do not have more than 2 active accounts so I can not test performance with more than 2 clients. I would expect the results from attempting to run 3 on this hardware to be catastrophical. Running 2, however, although not in the same performance bracket as before Incarna, still proves to be acceptable.
================ Character Editor ================ I experienced 3 crashes in total using the editor on best settings with the exception of the physx simulation. I left that off. All 3 times the client crashed after the "changes-made-bar" at the bottom reached about 50%. Extreme graphical anomalies were observed during editing, ranging from complete "blueing" of my character's skin to complete texture quality fallout of items until I changed them again. The latter happened more often during Outer Top editing (jackets etc) which primarily caused my characters face to "blur." Cont.
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ballzack booty
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:19:00 -
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if you like putting on crap and tring on outfits go play it girl you little bi*ches. i did like this game but fill it has started to drop off on the good and putting bunch of crap on get it right ccp and if not i have put a lot of rill money in this and if thay are going to do this i would like all my money back and i do mean all.
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Brunmunde Hildegaard
Minmatar The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:20:00 -
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[PLACEHOLDER] Cont.
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:22:00 -
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Dear CCP Devs, et al.:
Can we at least have a 10 word response? Something that says we're being listened to? Or are you willing to lose a huge chunk of your player base? My account is canceled. Give me a reason to re-subscribe.
Thank you so much, Steve
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Space>Docked>CQ!
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: md5oogle
however... I really can't see myself wanting to use it. I want to pew pew. If I wanted to randomly walk around with a 3d avatar, I would go download Second Life, or, you know, leave my apartment.
^^^ This ^^^
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Elune Ferret
Gallente United Empires Asset
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:27:00 -
[862]
A minor suggestion in this epic rage thread:
I've noticed somewhere that CCP needs to remake their minimum and recommended requirements for the clients.
Considering my cheap arse budget, my hobby : eve-online laid the line straigth. Upgrade your rigs.
I guess I need to choose to either quit or find the cash to do this. Rigthy then I'll go with the find some cash option then.
Can I get a bit of help then? Here's what I need to shut up and focus on the game:
I need new equipment, but I have little to no expertice to find what I need please provide, and here's what I quickly imagine:
Some trustworthy iron provider assemble eve rigs. Minimum requirement rigs, cheapish 500 Ç desktops and equal laptop. These rigs I would then expect to run the client comfortable for 2 years (we're talking dedicated rigs, they'll be for eve and nothing else). High performance rigs : I'm thinking a rig that runs the client in prestine conditions for say 2 years, and then it'll basicly become the minimum requirement rig.
You have dealings with Nvidia, I see IBM (Lenovo), why not push them, and say sell them via here or something.
The concept would fall well inhand with the free upgrade concept you run... Hell I'd even find cash, and pay CCP a gaming rig subscribtion fee if you'd take care of this (thinking I'd get shipped a new rig every 2 years, and simply send some money your way same way I do with subscribtions.) Hell sell it via the Eve-store. I know there migth be some localization problems in the OS front, but which iron dealer ship still has that problem unfixable????
Please help me here, I'll find some money, I'll pay upfront, please please. Don't go taking away my eve again as you're in the proccess of... I need it. Not much, I can quit anytime I want to, but please can I have some more please..
That option would have helped me a lot. I'm currently down to a Lenovo T60 with a ATI graphic card of sorts, I'll test to client tonigth and see if I can even load it. The new toon system on it is frankly unavailable, I spend some 4-5 hours raging over tryingg to recreate my toon, and the iron fails me. It's old sure, but it has loaded the client before.
I also as a response to that just gotten a Dell Optiplex 780 SSF with 6 gigs of ram and super fast HD, that has failed the toon creation too. My proposed fix for that would then be getting a graphic card in it, which will be hard Small form factor means small room, but I see an ATI 1gb card for some 200Ç, oh god, well I need it. And I'll be looking to upgrade the OS for 64 bits to use the 3+ gb's of ram, this migth fix things for now. But I can't do that every year.
Following your fanfest pressentation with Nvidia I feel 18-24 months from now I need to replace my rig, by then I'd really like help to buy prober iron, like getting a Nvidia card. I never liked ATI, but it's what's shipping..
Help me, help you, help me. I've been here for too long to quit. The game core is too good to find a replacement. But still I'm spending less less time ingame, and more playing offline games, currently C&C classic old fun and I have piles to go through.
What I find most distressing is that I haven't logged into EVE for the past 7 days as I've actually taken a tour in WoW. And I kinda like it at the moment, please save me from this. Please, I just need to load the game, I fit need the ingame windows, overview and local, I'll be just fine from there ;)
Buttomline: I'd really like to see a Eve-Online minimum requirement rig for 1-click sale, plus the recommended version, and why not add the just bring it version. I can't read, understand and use the requirement text anyway.
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Skylar Gray
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Omen Talozan when will we get the rest of incarna?
offtopic: i love the emo teens crying about patches and expansions. its been hillarious for years and still is. sure cancel your subscription cus you know... whenever someone leaves eve the collective IQ increases
lol Omen o/
Seriously though, there are complaints about each and every patch, a lot valid but most were from broken things, things that should have worked but did not on patch day. This "expansion", however, is nothing short of a downgrade, a cash-grab by CCP that was 1/4 finished and hardlyplayable. Incarna is not going to bring new players to the game in this form, or with this implementation. What it WILL do is drive current members away so fast that by the time its 100% complete, all races, all stations and fully integrated. . . the members it brings will trickle in and EVE will have died on Incarna 1.0 . . all because they rushed this crap out and forced it on us.
Much could be fixed with a Dock -> Disembark CQ model.
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john roe
BearingPoint
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:31:00 -
[864]
Originally by: Skylar Gray
Originally by: Omen Talozan when will we get the rest of incarna?
offtopic: i love the emo teens crying about patches and expansions. its been hillarious for years and still is. sure cancel your subscription cus you know... whenever someone leaves eve the collective IQ increases
lol Omen o/
Seriously though, there are complaints about each and every patch, a lot valid but most were from broken things, things that should have worked but did not on patch day. This "expansion", however, is nothing short of a downgrade, a cash-grab by CCP that was 1/4 finished and hardlyplayable. Incarna is not going to bring new players to the game in this form, or with this implementation. What it WILL do is drive current members away so fast that by the time its 100% complete, all races, all stations and fully integrated. . . the members it brings will trickle in and EVE will have died on Incarna 1.0 . . all because they rushed this crap out and forced it on us.
Much could be fixed with a Dock -> Disembark CQ model.
downloading World of Tanks as we speak. lets try some pew-pew on the ground :]
cheers
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An Cabar
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: An Cabar on 23/06/2011 13:43:40 Edited by: An Cabar on 23/06/2011 13:43:07 Edited by: An Cabar on 23/06/2011 13:41:18 CCP please read this forum and take the feedback on board. I don't recall so many responses giving the same opinion on any other expansion before. There are many reasons why I will dock in a station: to check who is docked; for a safe place to hold up; to change ships or fittings. In none of these does it make sense that I would leave my pod or leave the hanger. In practical terms it slows things down. In terms of immersion it is stupid. I need to quickly swap ships and get back to the fight û what shall I do? - I know I will leave my pod, have a shower to get rid of the goo, put on some clothes, and stand on my balcony û then get undressed again and get back into my pod and into the new ship.
Please, please give us back the equivalent of being in the pod and the old hanger functions. Please make it an option from there to leave the pod and appear on your balcony or room. That way I can do all the dock and undock stuff quickly. If I want to get out and do WiS stuff I can.
Making it compulsory to leave the pod is not a solution. Facing a door if you turn it off is not making it optional. This decision was made worse by the fact that the balcony/room is only a work in progress.
I am luck that my setup seems to cope with this unnecessary imposition. My sympathies to those for whom it is crippling their machines. That aspect alone makes this expansion a major and damaging mistake.
On WiS, I am willing to judge it when it arrives. A balcony and a single room is not WiS so I will not judge it as such. The interfaces look good, but are never going to be as quick to use as more boring ones.
I appreciate that some things had to come first on WiS, but it was a mistake by CCP to present WiS as a major part of this expansion or let people take that impression. You canÆt even offer rooms that reflect the stations they are in. If you over sell something, donÆt be surprised when the customers rage when they get the product. Too much hype for not enough delivered in this case.
CCP, in general, you donÆt seem to explain or communicate yourselves very well. There was plenty of feedback about WiS etc from the trials, but that seems to have been ignored. There was plenty of feedback about performance issues and that seems to have been ignored. At the very least you need to be ready to explain why that was ignored.
In general, you give the impression things are designed and implemented in isolation from the actual playing of EVE. For instance, icon changes which look fine when being produced I am sure, but which are a mess in the size and context in which they are used û salvager etc. For instance, artwork and animation which is a big improvement (turrets) but which are not consistent with the story, descriptions and expectations (multi barrelled artillery visuals). Mistakes like this detract greatly from the positive work.
In your obsession to bring out new aspects to the game, there seems to be a very real risk that you (have) or will cripple the core game. Please donÆt lose sight of that core.
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Scaramouche Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:45:00 -
[866]
Originally by: john roe
downloading World of Tanks as we speak. lets try some pew-pew on the ground :]
I tried Perpetuum on patch day - basically EVE on the ground with robots. It has potential I like it.
Been playing it a lot these last few days, strangely enough.
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Meglan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:45:00 -
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Overall I like the Incarna patch. (warning wall of text inc)
The Good Things: Captains Quarters - You can walk; i like the pace of walking, it's perfect, though the sound of my footprints could be more stomped. - The immersive monitors; though it would be nice to hearing sound wich you can turn on/off) Also let us customize the left and right monitors. Don't turn it in a browser, we have the "browser" button for it. The corporation screen is nice for new capsuleers, but not ones that are already in a corp. The PI screen is nice for those who use that feature, but since i'm not, let me choose what to display on that monitor. - The sofa, it's nice to sit in and take a break. - The little screen on table for agent finder is awesome, would be nice to actually see things on it. - the 3d model of my ship is fine, but if you can enlarge it manually, would be nicer. - The agent finder is superb, finally i can see if i can do higher missions!
Turrets: Love the new graphics and animation of the turrets! Well done. I'm very fond that the salvager and tractor beam got finally their own turrets hardpoints. Finally the object your tractoring/salvaging is comming from your ship, and not from a mystrious place out of my ship.
The Not so Good Things: Captains Quarters - Very little things to do in CQ. - Where is my water tank so i can tap fresh water? Like in other vids. - When i move my char around a light bulp around the bed, it shines right through me for a second or so. - There is an ashtray on the table...Let me smoke and use the ashtray, it's also nice commodity item for trading. - I can't spin my ship when on the balcony! At least let me use the console on the balcony to move my ship faster in the hangar. - Why is my bed not made up? - Why can't i lay down in bed? - The pod that stands lower deck of the balcony.. I want to get in, and then either manually/automatic fly to my ship! - Why is my hulk small in station, yet my Vexor is huge?
What i don't like - The vanity store....seriously what were you guys think - For those who quickly dock to move some cargo or fast station management to turn off CQ and give back old view. Make it a choice when u dock, hangar or CQ, and save that setting, wich you can turn off in [esc] menu. - The mirror....Other then just see yourself and re-customizing outfit etc. - There are a few consoles in the CQ...either remove them, or make them do something! - The camera angle is awkard. When i move around the camera it doesn't want to look up front at my character.
Conclusion Good addition to the ever expanding EVE Universe. It can be made better but make it all optional, give the playerbase the option to choose what to do in station, what to see in CQ (monitors) (or hangar mode). It's interesting to see what other Incarna patches holds for us in the future. Keep up the work guys |
Qenza
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:47:00 -
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I've been accumulating suppressed anger since removal of learning skills, and the path has been spiralling downwards ever since. Sanctums, agents, jump bridges, standings info, monetizing apps, [add what I forgot here].
And now Incarna problems. However, what finally prompted me to pay a visit to account management page was that EVE24news bulletin -thread about leaked CCP newsletter (in General discussion channel) picturing the rosy future of EVE-universe and MT. Really fun read.
I'll leave one account alive for a while, to see how this goes on for a while - as I have a bunch of plexes to spend - put when that pile runs out, so will I.
But to support those who stay:
GIVE THEM THE OLD HANGAR BACK, GO***MN IT. And 'enter CQ' -button. And address those far-too-numerous-things-to-repeat-here issues of which this thread is full of.
And about my stuff: too much in too many places, cba to hand them out.
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Montmore
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Caedmon If you are having performance issues it is possible to adjust your graphics settings in the "Display & Graphics" tab of the Esc Menu.
Additionally there is a check-box called "Load Station Environment" under the "Graphic Content Settings" column on the right hand side of the "Display & Graphics" tab. Uncheck this box to replace the station environment with a static image the next time you dock (if you are currently in a station you must undock and redock to see the change take effect).
I have to say that I am disappointed in the new expansion. I go from a stable 60 fps in battle to 15 to 30 fps as soon as I dock. That is even when I am just standing in the hall with no interactive controls in view like the silly TV that has no real purpose to the game. I could have 100 fps in space if I wanted to listen to my vid cards fan increase in speed by using interval immediate but, found with interval 1 and 60fps to give me just as much graphics as any of the other interval settings and with interval 1 I do not get lag like I do with the others with a higher frame rate. The point I am trying to make is that I see no benefit to game play in the CQ. Sure I can stare at a wall and have less playability than I had with the old station graphics and I can turn down my graphic setting so I don't have to waste power on my graphics card for something so trivial and non game related as the CQ, but why should I have to just for the sake of a mirror? My PC has enough power that it does not effect it much except for the added noise of my vid card. The lower frame rate in station makes no difference as there is absolutely nothing happening there that frame rate will affect.
And then there are the returning bugs that CCP claimed to have removed in previous patches. I see chat about warping backwards, warping sideways, speed indicator errors like it showing I am warping when I am cloaked after a system jump, being jammed when there is no one to jam me, and my least favorite that was fixed a few patches ago the sell bug. The sell bug as I call it bugs the hell out of me. I have nerve damage so any extra clicking or mouse movement that I should not have to do bothers me and can be painful.
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ballzack booty
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:55:00 -
[870]
if ccp cant even respond to our probs with the game. thay can go get some devs who do like having players on the game. respond ccp tell us something.
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Dave Hourai
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:57:00 -
[871]
Originally by: LarpingBard
Originally by: md5oogle
however... I really can't see myself wanting to use it. I want to pew pew. If I wanted to randomly walk around with a 3d avatar, I would go download Second Life, or, you know, leave my apartment.
^^^ This ^^^
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Ley Lee
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:58:00 -
[872]
Originally by: Meglan Overall I like the Incarna patch. (warning wall of text inc) What i don't like ... - For those who quickly dock to move some cargo or fast station management to turn off CQ and give back old view. Make it a choice when u dock, hangar or CQ, and save that setting, wich you can turn off in [esc] menu.
ESC > Display & graphics >> Graphics content settings: ... [ ] Load station environment
Originally by: Meglan
... - The camera angle is awkard. When i move around the camera it doesn't want to look up front at my character.
ESC > Display & graphics >> Incarna camera: Camera center [.....|.....]
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Skylar Gray
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:07:00 -
[873]
Edited by: Skylar Gray on 23/06/2011 14:07:50
Originally by: Ley Lee
Originally by: Meglan Overall I like the Incarna patch. (warning wall of text inc) What i don't like ... - For those who quickly dock to move some cargo or fast station management to turn off CQ and give back old view. Make it a choice when u dock, hangar or CQ, and save that setting, wich you can turn off in [esc] menu.
ESC > Display & graphics >> Graphics content settings: ... [ ] Load station environment
A failed way to make Incarna "optional".
EDIT: Page 30. . . no response.
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Montmore
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:10:00 -
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The sell bug as I call it is when I right click a module I looted (sometimes 1 of hundreds) to select sell item, that opens a sell dialog box and if I like the price I use to be able to hit my enter key to sell. Now that the sell bug is BACK I have to either right click the item a 2nd time and hit enter or move my mouse half way across my monitor to click the sell item. There seems to be a lot of the old bugs reintroduced with this patch that were fixed in the past as well as many, many , many new bugs I have never seen before. I do not understand why all these old bugs were reintroduced with the new patch or why so many new bugs were introduced. It seems to me that preventing known bugs would be easy since they are known and have a fix already. As for the new bugs I wonder if any of this was even tested before the patch was distributed. Perhaps if CCP had spent more time on quality control and less time worrying about useless fluff like the vanity items that no one will buy the CQ would be an improvement to the game and fewer bugs would need to be addressed post release and a static room with no movement would use less GPU power than a space battle.
Give us back the option of the old usefull station interior please and do not tell us to go to minimal graphics settings that we do NOT need in space but DO need just to be in a static room.
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TREXXON
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:12:00 -
[875]
Jan 2005 I started to play a game called eve online . It was a wonderfully vast universe with awesome low cpu graphics best i had ever seen from a space game perspective. as the years went on they changed this and that trying to make things more fair in a already fair game . It was a matter of getting your skills trained to beable to overcome the higher skilled pilots already in eve. As time went on Nerfs went on but for the most part the game always ran on a basic cpu graphics need not like all the other MMOs out there with the graphic fests. Up until NOW Anyways. Since when does the entire client need a shader 3 type graphics card ? I was just playing eve a few days ago before this INCARNA patch now my PC with motherboard integrated card can not play . It wont even let the game client start let alone play . Where is the option CCP what if i dont care about captains Quarters or mods on my Character . I play the game for the ships and PVP and space which all looked great before thsi lastest patch.
Please install a Option Button to use shader version or none shader so i can log on my accounts again. Some of us dont have the money to buy a high end graphics card.
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Montmore
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:20:00 -
[876]
LoL oh and one more thing that bugs the hell out of me... Who decided black on black was a good method to display weapons icons on targets? I mean come on it seems like a no brainer to me that black weapons icon in a mostly black space background was a bad idea. What happened to the weapons icons? They all changed and are very low quality graphics. I used to be able to tell a railgun from a laser, from a blaster, from an artillery gun. Now they are just black blobs.
I want to be able to tell what target I am shooting at so please bring back some color and definition to weapons icons. Black on a black background just does not work.
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Jannx
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:21:00 -
[877]
Originally by: An Cabar In your obsession to bring out new aspects to the game, there seems to be a very real risk that you (have) or will cripple the core game. Please donÆt lose sight of that core.
Well said.
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Prester Tom
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:24:00 -
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Are there going to be different captains quarters for different races stations? Only all the dev blogs suggested as such, and at the moment I can't tell if I'm standing in Jita or Amarr from the look of the thing.
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Degarion Soth
Minmatar Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:32:00 -
[879]
Originally by: ballzack booty if ccp cant even respond to our probs with the game. thay can go get some devs who do like having players on the game. respond ccp tell us something.
Unless im wrong this is linked and described as a player feedback thread not a question and answer session.
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Prester Tom
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:39:00 -
[880]
Originally by: Degarion Soth
Originally by: ballzack booty if ccp cant even respond to our probs with the game. thay can go get some devs who do like having players on the game. respond ccp tell us something.
Unless im wrong this is linked and described as a player feedback thread not a question and answer session.
" For all other feedback and questions please see the Feedback thread located here."
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Vorx Ironhorn
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:42:00 -
[881]
I am playing the part of a CCP Dev on my bank account - with a fresh blue bar locking those "threads" for "Lack of Desired Content"
8 Accounts closed.
Good Bye.
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Degarion Soth
Minmatar Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:45:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Prester Tom
Originally by: Degarion Soth
Originally by: ballzack booty if ccp cant even respond to our probs with the game. thay can go get some devs who do like having players on the game. respond ccp tell us something.
Unless im wrong this is linked and described as a player feedback thread not a question and answer session.
" For all other feedback and questions please see the Feedback thread located here."
And i stand corrected :P
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Utoxin
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:56:00 -
[883]
Here's my feedback:
The GPU usage of CQ is ridiculous. I have a VERY capable system (GTX 460, Phenom II X4 965 Black, 12GB RAM) that can run 2 clients in space with EASE. I don't dare run two CQ displays at once. For that matter, I've disabled station environments, because even one CQ running puts a heavy load on my GPU. Staring at a wall in CQ uses 75% of my GPU, and heats it up over 80 degrees. That's ridiculous.
But don't think I'll be happy if you fix the GPU usage problems. Because the more dire and long term problem is that the usability of the controls for ambulation is abysmal. No Mouse+Keyboard controls? Really? Go play any modern FPS, using mouse for view control and keyboard for forward-back+strafing, and then fire whoever approved the abysmal mess that is the interaction with your character in CQ. Even with the GPU issues fixed, I will NOT be using CQ until I'm forced to. And when that day comes... I may very well cancel my subscriptions, because if it's still this painful to use, I'm not going to have any fun playing the game.
CCP, you need to roll back CQ, or fix it. One of the two. Leaving it the way it is will NEVER work.
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DeathPaw
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:20:00 -
[884]
CCP developers/programmers... find some integrity! Learn to resist production/management pressures to production release prematurely! It is unethical to USE your customers to debug your software. Do your job, and stop abusing your customers!!!
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Ipsolon Delta
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:23:00 -
[885]
I'm not impressed with Incarna. As so many others have said, CQ is difficult to navigate and the CPU requirements are ridiculous. I logged on for the first time and couldn't even figure out how to get into my ship after a few minutes. This is really pathetic.
I'm done with Eve. I've been loosing interest for some time and this has pushed me over the threshold. The direction CCP is going simply isn't interesting to me. Throwing so many resources at an aspect of the game that, for me, has simply rendered it unplayable speaks volumes. Eve has a well earned reputation for layers and layers of unnecessary complexity that add nothing to the game experience. Now you need even more computing power simply to enable more pretty pictures.
I will always be a big fan of the fact CCP is able to actually get the game up and running. Their database prowess in that respect is commendable. But the rest of it just sucks. I don't like the whole licensing deal they are trying to institute, I'm not impressed with Incarna and I'm not confident whatever response they come up with will make me happy.
So, adios amigos and fly safe.
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Sarienda
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:33:00 -
[886]
Originally by: Jet Burns Edited by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 05:55:00 Edited by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 03:47:17 Edited 20 times by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 03:06:27
** ITEM 1 - Sense of scale is gone.
I remember CCP announcement that "a fix" to bring small ships to the foreground would allow people to see their detail. Well, in doing so, you just borked all sense of scale.
A Caldari Shuttle is sans a bit smaller then a Raven. You can't see depth in 2D, so you see the center round thingy stage in the middle of the hanger and that indicates the center. But the ships are no longer located at that point. Your devs great idea to show small ships have moved the small ships closer to the platform, and thus, scale is now messed up. Place your finger close to your nose and it fills half the world. Take the same finger at arms length and you can't cover the moon.
Suggestion: Allow for a free camera in the ship's hanger as an "option". Allow the user to switch camera "modes" that is centered on the ship (just as you do in space). How cool would it be to see yourself in the distance looking back upon your ship. *** THIS will also allow us to spin our ships to our hearts content, and yes, we are discontented you took an Eve-Online Mime away from us. Restore it. This new camera mode would do much for that sense of scale, and allow people to zoom up on their tiny ships.
** ITEM 2 - Gun Turrets
2a) Actual turrets are cool and nice that they tuck away to avoid the wind in warp (I guess that keeps them from getting ripped off in the wind of subspace. Submarine physics ftw). 2b) Some of the actual turrets are known as 4 barrel, but the turrets are only 2 barrel. You are going to fix that with an update before you tear your scrum team off to something shiny yes? 2c) Some of us are old, when the progress bar spins, it's much smaller and harder to see. 2d) The Caldari icons on the target in space are next to invisible. 2e) The Caldari icons for the turrets have no definition (Suggestion, maybe overlay text like 150mm, and 75mm or something) 2f) See post 223 of the issues thread for picture... mining lasers are shooting through the ship (which really is ticking off the scrubby mining crews breakfast time)
** Item 3 - The hud
Thank you for restoring the yellow to the capacitor vs the orange that was out for awhile.
** Item 4 - Captain's Quarters
4a) Why do you make me walk to a certain range before I can activate a button. Just allow us to click it. (I know you want to enforce space and us moving in 3d, but really, not in our quarters). 4b) Ship drag to deploy. (I'm fairly even tempered but this is getting to me.) 4c) Lighting, allow us to control. Way to dark, can't see half of the good stuff you have done because I have seen it on YouTube. Our monitors are not the same you get on Corporate Vendor Sales. 4d) Allow us to lay on the bed. It's bad enough there is no bathroom and I have to undock just to pee in my pod, but not allowing me to lay down. Fix. 4e) Pod embark/debark in public space? You remove Pleasure Hubs but support open nudity? Breaks the immersion from the fiction and the fan videos you did. I'm hoping this was just a quick Minmatar style fix to roll out Incarna, but for the Caldari and Amarr, it should be more private. Not sure about us Gallente. 4f) News screen. Off button. Please watch any episode of Max Headroom to understand why. 4g) Allow re-customization again. "Why didn't anyone tell me my butt is so big", Mel Brooks
couldn't read the whole 30 pages, but this is an excellent post... even if it is from Cry Havoc
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dssouleater
Amarr Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:43:00 -
[887]
walking in stations.. lagging rubbish , switched that off after 5 mins of walking to a console and a wall.. ships look the same size in the hangar.. waste of time this expansion . nothing to do with internet psaceships , please dont forget what this game is about . as many others will leave this badly implemeneted useless piece of crap you call a 'expansion' .
now i get to stare at a badly blurry door and background that doesnt even fill the screen anymore , spinnign ships was much much better and less load on everyones pc.
clothes wtf were u thinking? you guys on drugs? who will ever pay ludicrious prices for silly gimmicky items in a game that arent ever gonna be seen is a spaceship game... in space?? maybe the WoW generation with rich parents . i doubt you will listen to any of these comments from the loyal fan base you keep pooing on , one day when you have lost us all and only got kids playing you might go wtf did we do ? but i wont hold my breath . a lot of the recent and past changes make little sense if you want to pvp , or indeed lower lag... jump birges.. helped stopped bottle necks of lagg at gates in zero.. maybe u want more nodes to crash? dissappointing .
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Meglan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:46:00 -
[888]
Originally by: Ley Lee
Originally by: Meglan Overall I like the Incarna patch. (warning wall of text inc) What i don't like ... - For those who quickly dock to move some cargo or fast station management to turn off CQ and give back old view. Make it a choice when u dock, hangar or CQ, and save that setting, wich you can turn off in [esc] menu.
ESC > Display & graphics >> Graphics content settings: ... [ ] Load station environment
Originally by: Meglan
... - The camera angle is awkard. When i move around the camera it doesn't want to look up front at my character.
ESC > Display & graphics >> Incarna camera: Camera center [.....|.....]
Thanks, didn't knew that there was an option for camera center, gonna change that :)
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Tokley
Amarr Team Silent Service Vires Per Iunctum
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:47:00 -
[889]
Ok , There are only two things i personal think that should happen in the nair future.
1: Make CQ optional , that means , not the option we have now with the background , no , the old ship hangar so those that want can spin there ships and do fast fittings and changing .
2: Work on that cpu ussage , I have to agree with most players , it uses to much cpu . I can't speak for graphicscards because i don't have problems with it , also not with cpu , i'm running a quad core .
Thats it , i'm personaly using the CQ , i really think it has future in it . But people should have the choice to use it or not . Then its ccp's job to make Incarna good so people will start using it .
But don't give up on it , make it work because i like it and i'm not the only one . And yes there are also people that doesn't like it , so ccp don't force them to use it , give them the choice , work your way up like you're planning and everybody's happy . This threath is getting disrespectful . Its a big step , You had the ship in first place , avatar was only a picture . Now sudenly you want to bring the avatar on the first place and the ship on the second place . Thats a huge stepp , don't be surprised that people will be mad .
Also , one last thing , that vanity thingie , i would use it but the prices are to high . Bring in small cost items and you will sell more .
This is my feedback , and i do look forward to the future of incarna . You're on the right track just try to follow the right road of that track ccp so you keep your customers happy .
I will never stop playing EVE , I love it , its my pew pew after a hard day of work .
Tokley
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Neochani
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:48:00 -
[890]
I like the new patch both the agent finder and monitor info are GOOD stuff it will bring content faster too the new guy.
but make so i can spin my ship and the scales of the ships is off imo. i thought i would be a flee on a rhinos arse.
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Rextard Kuha
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:54:00 -
[891]
Edited by: Rextard Kuha on 23/06/2011 15:54:41 All I can say is make stepping into your captains quarters a choice via a button form the old hangar view! Dear god this would sort and forgive anything!
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Gouzu Kho
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:59:00 -
[892]
1. Captain's Quarters looks good to me, runs well and its cool to have a full character and walk around.
2. The new turrets are very cool, they look great and I like how rats in missions shoot with different colored ammo now.
3. Nobel store: I dont get it. I dont see how you can call such overpriced clothes "new and exciting goods". All the more because they aren't like armor sets in WoW that have extra meaning because they show you're a good pvp-er or are raiding certain content. These are just cloths, and as far as I can see the only guys showing off their monocle are a few very rich players who did it just to troll the forums.
I was expecting somthing like custom paint jobs for ships, and at a reasonable price so it doesn't hurt your wallet too much to replace those you lose or when you upgrade.
I'll also add right now that I will not stand for AUR being used for gameplay impacting things such as special ammo or standings. I pay a monthly sub for EVE, and I expect other players who want to have an advantage over me to actually have to play for it, and not simply use a credit card.
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praznimrak
Gallente Level Up
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:15:00 -
[893]
SAD SAD SAD... Useless patch,waist of our time and our money developing crap contents to attract more ppl to play EVE,risking to lose all old players.Wtf cares about dressing up stupid chars??? This is game about spaceships,economi,and politics...and not about fashion and cloth.REMOVE last patch and give us back station ship spinning abilities,please. Praz
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Tel'Kar'Tir
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:18:00 -
[894]
Other than non optional CQ and the addition of microtransactions the update was good. Micro transactions ruin all good games.
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DtEarth
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:25:00 -
[895]
Wow CCP. I understand that change is slow but this stations stuff has be be quicker to load. My CPU usage and heat has gone thru the roof with just running 3 out of 6 toons.
Please bring back the undocking and switching of ship options back. Your making the game play even harder than it was before.
I second and third the option to turn this CQ off. Like most are saying this is a space ship game not a "SIM" game...
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Claire Landry
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:32:00 -
[896]
lol closing http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535562 and suggesting this thread was sorta pro. |
thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:37:00 -
[897]
- turrets are fine - new maller is great - i want my hangar with shi¯p spinnig back, optional cq without a door picture - shop i don't care as long as the cash flows into somethin' which is space and spaceship related.
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Ragnoroc
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:43:00 -
[898]
Once upon a time not so long ago on a cold small island, the CEO of a small software company was looking at the state of his business. Two new products in the pipeline, over run and going over budget (such is the way of software production). The existing cashcow would require hardware upgrades yet again in the next few years was supporting all of this. Budget forecasts were not looking too good in the medium term and to top it all off there was the dip in the world economy.
"Woe is me" cried the CEO what are we to do?
So he hired a management consultant to see if what could be done to increase revenues to continue funding the company.
Smart suit with no brain duly arrives, full of management speak and words and phrases like demographic, customer profile etc.
MC looks at the business and cannot believe his eyes when he sees that people are not paying cash for the game. Lightbulb turns on in his small brain, here is the solution!
Meets with the CEO and spouts for 2 hours with meaningless terms, presentation and graphs. All to say to the CEO you need to change your customer base, get rid of the freetards and the people with no money, they are not helping your bottom line. At the very least it will delay the server upgrades until the new projects come online.
"How do we do that?"says the CEO "The freetards are the sink for the free gametime! We still get cash in the bank when the freetards use them"
"All part of the rebranding" smiles the MC, "We give them something else to buy with their cards so they can still spend the cash, you still get the money and we up the game requirements to get rid of those poor people who are doing nothing for bank balance."
CEO mulls this over, not too happy about this, but the MC pulls out the projections he scribbled on his *** packet while in the bar last night and knocked up that morning.
"Wow, creies the CEO this could really work, but it would be carnage"
"Great name" says the MC "Carnage", but the CEO replies "We had better soften it down a bit, how about Incarna"
So the plans are worked out Carnage is rolled out, but as stated before, this is software and over runs mean that the software is nowhere near ready.
So the real carnage starts, all the players with the customer profile the MC stated were the key to success leave. The MC simply turns around and tells the CEO that he did not deliver the plan so it was not his fault.
And so the small software company slid into oblivion!
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Mira Robinson
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:51:00 -
[899]
I, having already cancelled my 2 accounts, am very eager to see CCP's response to this.
Have they SEEN the articles being posted online? That they are now a mockery and laughing stock of the gaming media world because of MT?
Are they at all concerned that players' hardware is becoming irreparably damaged by CQ? That makes me not want to fire up the game again.
I'd really like to see the subscription rate in the next week. How many new accounts this results in, and how many leave. To see if our arguments are truly warranted. ----------------------------- Welcome to EVE. Ship happens. |
Imnotded
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:52:00 -
[900]
I run multiple accounts and mandatory CQ is inherently flawed and just creates extra problems with no net gain.
With the current setup my comp has to load CQ for EVERY toon I have OR I have to stare at that stupid pic (I have heard that this "stupid pic" option is only temporary). The hanger view was removed which is annoying in and of itself and we were FORCED into the CQ with all toons. Even if I want to use CQ and walking in stations I should be able to choose which toon gets out of thier ship and let the others stay docked up and save my system resources. Does CCP think that I am going to move around station with all my toons like some POP star and his posse??
The old hanger screen was useful for interacting with your ship and removing it is just detrimental. There is NO NEED to have to load CQ if I have to dock for ammo or to grab a mission! There is NO NEED to have to load CQ on ALL MY toons if I am only EVER going to walk around with one account at a time !
Forced CQ is a HORRIBLE IDEA ! Give back the hanger view ! Give a button to go to CQ ! !
--------------------------------------------------------------- I started a forum post stating this but it was locked by CCP Anyone who agrees with me please post "MAKE CQ OPTIONAL"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535592&page=1
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Dr Karsun
Gallente Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:56:00 -
[901]
Well, I'm sorry to say this, but.... This is even worse than Empyrean Age... And I'm afraid you'll have even less customers for the noble exchange than you have people who actually CARE for the faction war in Faction Warfare and don't just run missions to get the LP.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:04:00 -
[902]
Originally by: Imnotded I run multiple accounts and mandatory CQ is inherently flawed and just creates extra problems with no net gain.
With the current setup my comp has to load CQ for EVERY toon I have OR I have to stare at that stupid pic (I have heard that this "stupid pic" option is only temporary). The hanger view was removed which is annoying in and of itself and we were FORCED into the CQ with all toons. Even if I want to use CQ and walking in stations I should be able to choose which toon gets out of thier ship and let the others stay docked up and save my system resources. Does CCP think that I am going to move around station with all my toons like some POP star and his posse??
The old hanger screen was useful for interacting with your ship and removing it is just detrimental. There is NO NEED to have to load CQ if I have to dock for ammo or to grab a mission! There is NO NEED to have to load CQ on ALL MY toons if I am only EVER going to walk around with one account at a time !
Forced CQ is a HORRIBLE IDEA ! Give back the hanger view ! Give a button to go to CQ ! !
--------------------------------------------------------------- I started a forum post stating this but it was locked by CCP Anyone who agrees with me please post "MAKE CQ OPTIONAL"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535592&page=1
Use this petition in the Assembly Hall: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1516746 [Petition] Make entry into CQ and Incarna optional. |
Davon Kastire
Caldari Hit it n' Quit it
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:10:00 -
[903]
$60 just to see my character with a funny device in his eye, that is no more than a code of zeroes and ones?
**** That!
That almost cost just as much as my graphics card.
"Give me monocles or give me death". Kill me! I thought these were vanity items, not narcissists items. I could use that 60 bucks to buy a PS3 game, at least it's something I can touch. And that game can provide me with hours of entrainment, what the hell does the 60$ code of zeroes and ones monocle give me? Just the image of my character with something in his eye?
If someone's gonna pay that much then at least give people the ability to see in inferred with these things. Hell, give me Predator vision! Watch Predator 2, I want every single one of those vision modes along with funny gestures and animations of these devices focusing in and out. THAT would make these things ALMOST worth that much. "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." |
Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:13:00 -
[904]
CCP = Creatively Collecting Pocketmoney
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Flashmala
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:20:00 -
[905]
Please reconsider putting the loot log export feature back in. This was important. I think almost every mining & mission fleet depended on this.
Cheers!
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Gefel
Amarr Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:23:00 -
[906]
I like the CQ, I understand it's a first step to other content, and I look forward to having EVE grow into a fuller world. I have added time to 3 of my accounts for another 3 months to show my support.
My feedback:
1) I would say the movement needs some work. Run and standard strafe movement from any FPS would be nice. I'm sure anyone grabbing the WASD keys that has played any FPS felt a bit awkward.
2) I would like to see a go between from the old station view to the CQ view. I think it makes sense that you would not always leave your pod every time you dock up to just get ammo or something.
3) While I won't be participating in Micro Transactions, I don't disagree with them. The current store is a little confusing though since the pricing is VERY high and there are only a small amount of items that aren't really that interesting. I could see some rare items fetching high prices, but there should be a lot more selection at normal MT prices.. drop a few zero's from the prices.
I also think that any MT item should not give anyone a competitive edge. Someone mentioned transactions that could change race or reset standings with NPC corps which I thought was an interesting concept.
4) The new gun icons are too dark. I keep thinking my guns are offline when they in fact are online.
5) Control over what channel of information I want to watch on the CQ TV. If I've missed this, disregard
6) It runs well on my system, but I'm running a new 4 core sandy bridge I5 OC'd to 4.8Ghz and an ATI HD5870 with the fan @ 80% while I play any game. I can run 3 eve clients with no issue. I also use a ramdisk for eve cache and the clients are installed on a SATA 3 SSD drive. Having said that, I also play from an old beater laptop sometimes while out of town etc. If there are more options to stress machines less, that would be nice. I think EVE should remain a game where you can reasonably connect from anywhere, without needing a jacked up gaming rig ( from an options menu point of view).
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VASSAKAR
Red Sun Enterprises Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:24:00 -
[907]
I'm a 2004 player, a member of the large majority of players that never post to the Forums.
I am strongly encouraging the developers to provide a "disembark" button so that those of us that have absolutely NO interest in walking in stations can OPT OUT.
I also have NO interest in the Noble Exchange and am disgusted by the whole concept.
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Elljared
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:26:00 -
[908]
personal review : i sat in front of my comp i launch the client, i light a cig and... almost burned myself when the music run and a SMEXY maller pass across my screen ... (maller sexy??? WTH THANKS CCP for this (not mentioning : *sacrilege* ! )
log in... *2minutes under my desk seeing where my cig rolled, fixing back my jaw and focusing on my screen* ok its small some thing could be better but OWELL DAMN nice preview... whinning about will not help: go over it and freaking roll.
running all smooth all graph to max (avatar settings too) on a Phenom II x6 1035T 2ghz with 8gig ram and a GTX 460 1gig(heavilly overclocked) (wich costed me almost nothing since its a basic low entry 800$ computer) fps drop a bit in station but still smooth: totally love it.
good job CCP on that public Showroom of what incarna has to offer!
no im not a fanboy but i will not cry and ***** about it, when its far away from being ugly. (evolve, take the new, remember the old and say "darwin was here")
noble shop: hum well ... no use : no care the only point i find ... hum ... obviously "pointless"
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Scarry Peak
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:27:00 -
[909]
Finally had a chance to download this... and chortled at Client update #3 already. It works on my "old" Vista - only checked with one character ...
It works on my Win 7 laptop with 2 clients but after playing with ambling around the captain's quarters, I basically unchecked the environment because it wasn't that inspiring.
May stress test it in front of the tellybox later...
But noticed no heat issues on the laptop (running two clients and mining with a couple of hulks)...
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Jayden Jaymes
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:31:00 -
[910]
Originally by: Jayden Jaymes for me 1 client with dualcore 1,8Ghz 4GB RAM, winXP, ATI HD 4800 1680x1050 all graphic on max fullscreen mode CQ runs smooth and fast, then undocking, space runs smooth and fast, so its a good work, grats.
problem is after re-dock and re-undock, fps falls down in CQ and in space too, so need more optimization.
the feeling of CQ and hangar is really cool, sounds are cool too. i see lots of possibilities for future developing.
what i miss and hope they will be avaliable in future:
- looking out from a window - travel in a wall-lift in the hangar - toilet/bathromm in my CQ - huge indoor station spaces :)
- bring back the old hangar view and make it optional to choose to get out from the ship/pod
- make vanity items a bit cheaper or make them useful (like implants)
- need 200x more vanity items to choose from
- make a dev blog about why vanity items are expensive for those who have no common sense to see why
- get old-maller back in game with other statistics or something, cause it looks really cool
- and if you want more players, make pvp accessable and fair for all skill level player and make pve interesting
continuing:
tested with 2 clients 1440x900 windowed mode + photoshop+dreamweaver+firefox with 8 windows, clients antialiasing disabled, postprocessing none, shadows low, texture+shader+lod high, CQ disabled it runs smooth like before. i don't wanna test it with 2 CQ enabled cause i'll never use it with multiclients running. good work, gz!
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Tashi Tsukaya
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:42:00 -
[911]
Horse Armor was only $2.50.
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NeoNexus
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:53:00 -
[912]
First post on this forum - took CCP to release the most useless expansion ever (the dawn of the undeveloping of Eve), and a dude a couple of hundred rage posts back to take all the silent players into account of being positive towards this expansion, to write it.
My first impression was that CCP this time had made a big bummer, so be it. well - until I noticed the prices in the NE-shop. That simply is outrageous, and way below the perception I had of CCP. At least try to remedy this. If you don't dare to do it public, then fix it silently. This way we can all pretend it was an error.
CQ - my biggest issue was here how to disable the thing. Nothing there that enhances the game play. The look and feel of it was something other companies could manage a decade ago, and it is so out of line with the intelligent space game that made me (and possibly a lot others) play Eve. Can't get into my head why you didn't fix the clutter of windows if wanted the game to be more friendly for new players (CCP soundwave made the suggestion during AT, so you have the idea inhouse), or made some of the other fixes that your customers asks for (the forum is crawling with suggestions).
The total lack of response to the obvious disapointment of the players that fond your company doesn't do your reputation any good either. Please let us have some sort of reaction (other than closing threads that you don't approve).
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Grady Eltoren
Minmatar Aviation Professionals for EVE
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:54:00 -
[913]
Ok CCP - I hope you value my comments from before and will now on this Grande Day of Incarna Deployment - cheers!
1) First impressions: Loved it - great immersion/graphics/buttons. 2) Second thought: OMG your coding is bad or something because my NEW laptop is choking. I understand your awesome new proprietary 3D models are something to be proud of, but FIX THE CODE so it doesn't take an IBM supercomputer to run it. If this were Blizzard **CHOKE** this **** would run on Win98 with a 486DX processor and look as good. HAHA
3) Turrets: Look awesome when animated - **** as icons. I can't tell ANY OF THEM APART! I would at least change their background color to match their naturally indigenous species color. EG - red for projectiles, blue for rails, yellow for lasers...something. Looking through my hangar now what use to be an easy Visual ID is now searching for text of gun I want - if that makes sense. Please fix.
4) Aurum debate - my .02 cents. Prices SHOULD be high, but NOT THAT HIGH. I love your solution to the destructibleness of items we purchase (keeping them if on me and potential to lose if in my cargo, station, etc)! 4a) With that said - WTF? I thought we could put requests in for custom ideas that the artists would design for an AURUM price and then we could resell for ISK? I wanted my PERSONAL and CUSTOM ship logo ideas, etc. WHAT HAPPENED???? Some people argue this was never part but I saw it in the dev blog. If it wasn't - it NEEDS to happen. That is some serious income for CCP and serious creativity for players (albeit expensive - but that is OK.) Like someone said - VANITY should come at a price and I AGREE. DON'T LET players dissuade you of that totally. Bulk CCP designed clothes - those should be MICRO transactions and cheap (EG. - Quafe underwear - haha).
5) Again for emphasis - fix this lag and the broke stuff in Incarna ASAP. You are losing subsribers like mosquitos on a zap lantern!
CHEERS!
Aviation Professionals for EVE (APEVE)
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.23 17:59:00 -
[914]
Originally by: Exo Cab but what about all these other complaints though? It's just ridiculous, because you can tell it's anti-change
Ahhh, it's my "anti-change" attitude that makes the client patches fail to install?
It's my "anti-change" attitude that makes the new turret icons very difficult to distinguish?
It's my "anti-change" attitude that makes CQs a far clumseier way to quickly access services?
It's my "anti-change" attitude that makes it seem daft I'd get out of pod just to pick up some more ammo?
It's my "anti-change" attitude that makes a dull metal wall a seem like a giant finger to those who turn off CQs, and makes it much harder to tell at a glance WTF I'm flying?
It's my "anti-change" attitude that STILL makes Eve crash when APing while tabbed out of fullscreen? (been happening since INCURSION 1.4)
It's my "anti-change" attitude that makes item bonuses not apply.
It's my "anti-change" attitude that makes CQs require a massive amount of power, more than five year old 3D games that look twice as good?
I could go on, but obviously it's just my "anti-change" attitude that's the problem, and I need to STFU. That's for putting me right. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Navarre Fuego
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:25:00 -
[915]
Really hating this "upgrade". The client uses almost 3 times as much RAM as previously, and runs at about half the speed. This will drive a lot of people who dual-client to abandon the game as unplayable - I know of one player who appears to have stopped playing because his hardware can't support the kind of concurrency he was playing with. Please let us switch the captains quarters off, and return to a plain background. I currently derive little or no benefit from being able to walk back and forth randomly in an obstacle-ridden environment as I attempt to pursue my business.
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oematoema
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:33:00 -
[916]
Can we get some feedback to our feedback?
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Ti'rr
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:34:00 -
[917]
Edited by: Ti''rr on 23/06/2011 18:34:56 Edited by: Ti''rr on 23/06/2011 18:34:46 Edited by: Ti''rr on 23/06/2011 18:34:06 Love the turrets!
Love the performance gain when flying around spaceship in internet-spaceships (that's what the game is all about)
WIS/CQ needs to be worked on, I didn't expect it to be perfect at first anyways :) Put on the other hand I did expect it to be like this:
- Dock you're ship in station
- Press the disembark button
This way it would be easy for me to just leave my other two accounts in the ship when docked, this would help with performance issues while you guys keep on working on WIS/CQ and still allow me to easily go to my CQ when I want to, I also think it's a very logical thing that pilots do not leave they're ships everytime they dock to re-stock on ammo or Quafe.
Agent finder is awsome! (see picture for input)
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Von Wess
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:40:00 -
[918]
Where is my +5% speed on boots ?
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Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:51:00 -
[919]
Edited by: Onnen Mentar on 23/06/2011 18:57:20 Very sad excuse for an expansion. New bugs, worse performance and all that for a CQ that has an absolutely horrible UI. CQ adds more complexity to an already complex and counter-intuitive UI. I'm not really against WIS as a concept, but I can't believe you invested that much resources and came up with such a poor result. Imagine all those resources had been invested into proper spaceship game and UI design... a missed chance.
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Shooter McGavvin
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:55:00 -
[920]
Wow, what a disaster this has turned into. People always ***** about new updates, that's simply the way it works in online gaming communities, but the overwhelming disdain for Incarna goes way beyond that. The silence from the Devs reminds me of Frankenstein with a mob of angry villagers surrounding him in the castle with pitchforks and torches.
I would like to see a butten, perhaps similiar in vein to the undock button, to enter your CQ from the old station environment.
For the fashion show bs, I hadn't planned on using any of that stuff anyways so I'm kind of indifferent to it, but I do agree the current price points are completely re****ulous.
The new turrets are in need of some tweaks to scale and style, but overall a nice addition. The turret icons, on the other hand, are abysmal. I would much prefer the old ones. If nothing else, at least make them more visually distinguishable from each other.
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Raz Xym
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Posted - 2011.06.23 18:57:00 -
[921]
Any MMO company that thinks they have done something great in allowing an avatar walk around a small room, while consuming more resources than world wide real time weather modelling application, deserves to fail. Truly an aweful example of software development. Don't get me started on "Greed is Good".
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:09:00 -
[922]
Originally by: Omen Talozan when will we get the rest of incarna?
offtopic: i love the emo teens crying about patches and expansions. its been hillarious for years and still is. sure cancel your subscription cus you know... whenever someone leaves eve the collective IQ increases
You must love not being able to tell which icon is a salvager and which is a tractor beam.
I'd give other examples, but the point is you're a troll who laps up the dog**** fed to you by CCP. It's just sad and pathetic. Well, we want more. We want a good game. Well done for embracing the lowest common denominator and crap alpha quality patches, you're a real winner. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Neodell
Amarr BradNett Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:13:00 -
[923]
CCP,
I was quite interested in walking in stations when it was first brought up and images of having corporate meetings in the flesh seemed to have a nice kick to it.
I never thought for a second this would mean giving up spinning my prized possessions!
I would have thought that docking would bring me to the normal ship screen (where I can spin to my hearts delight) and then click a little icon of a man jumping out a pod in order to load the captains quarters. Please CCP; give the option to spin or not to spin? I am so sad to be looking at a picture of door it breaks my heart I can no longer see my ship.
Eve has had a lot of changes since I joined and a few have been good, others have not been so good and this is one of them. In a world where customization and choice is key why remove one of eveÆs most loved features and not give your customers the option to be in the CQ or belted into ones ship.
7 years ago, if someone told me when I joined eve that it would still be around today I would have been positive that would be. If someone was to ask the same question now I would have to consider the last 3 years and conclude that the outlook is not as promising.
The new character bling store which has been added (at a price that would make and Marks & Spencer shopper eyes water) holds no interest for me, if I wanted bling on a rag doll I would play The Sims.
The gun effects are nice but I feel the hours could have been spent on fixing other issues within eve. Overall I am very concerned with the direction eve is headed and unless CCP take note of the hundreds of comments in this very thread I believe it will only end in tears.
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Jannx
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:15:00 -
[924]
Could CCP tell us why they're deleting posts that, rightly, point out that their latest dev blog completely ignores the issues that the subscribing community are concerned with?
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Tugrath Akers
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:17:00 -
[925]
I :heart: Agent Finder
I also really like the new auto-sort when you 'Stack All'
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Pantorus Necraliss
Minmatar Giza'Msafara
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:21:00 -
[926]
- Large AC fire trails are invisible - Turret pictures on selected target are very too dark, we can't see them cause of dark background - Anti-aliasing make my PC (with ATI card, W7) become more and more slow (memory saturation ?). Especially with 2 acounts running - Warp tunnel visual effect most part of time don't appear (graphic drivers are up to date) - Items and ships windows don't refresh when jump cloning - CQ loading is veeeeery slow with 2 accounts running
- Giza'Msafara recrute, entrez dans une corporation au background solide. |
Draco Omega
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:34:00 -
[927]
In a word: Terrible update.
Walking around a pointless room is lame. Waste of computer resources if you ask me. All that time for this? Ugh... lame.
Why not spend more time upgrading content (more interesting / new quests, more epic arc missions, etc) instead of wasting time on something like the Captain's Quarters.
And to top it all off, the problems with the Mac client since the launch (which still has not been corrected) is terrible. Why not fully bug test things before release?
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CEO Frappiato
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:43:00 -
[928]
Maybe a good idea to place a player advert in the reqruitment system. So, corporations can search for players seeking a corp. Handy if you want to start a corp for yourself.
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boeboe joe
Helix Commonwealth Command
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:04:00 -
[929]
This, couldn't have said it any better.
Originally by: Jet Burns Edited by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 05:55:00 Edited by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 03:47:17 Edited 20 times by: Jet Burns on 22/06/2011 03:06:27
** ITEM 1 - Sense of scale is gone.
I remember CCP announcement that "a fix" to bring small ships to the foreground would allow people to see their detail. Well, in doing so, you just borked all sense of scale.
A Caldari Shuttle is sans a bit smaller then a Raven. You can't see depth in 2D, so you see the center round thingy stage in the middle of the hanger and that indicates the center. But the ships are no longer located at that point. Your devs great idea to show small ships have moved the small ships closer to the platform, and thus, scale is now messed up. Place your finger close to your nose and it fills half the world. Take the same finger at arms length and you can't cover the moon.
Suggestion: Allow for a free camera in the ship's hanger as an "option". Allow the user to switch camera "modes" that is centered on the ship (just as you do in space). How cool would it be to see yourself in the distance looking back upon your ship. *** THIS will also allow us to spin our ships to our hearts content, and yes, we are discontented you took an Eve-Online Mime away from us. Restore it. This new camera mode would do much for that sense of scale, and allow people to zoom up on their tiny ships.
** ITEM 2 - Gun Turrets
2a) Actual turrets are cool and nice that they tuck away to avoid the wind in warp (I guess that keeps them from getting ripped off in the wind of subspace. Submarine physics ftw). 2b) Some of the actual turrets are known as 4 barrel, but the turrets are only 2 barrel. You are going to fix that with an update before you tear your scrum team off to something shiny yes? 2c) Some of us are old, when the progress bar spins, it's much smaller and harder to see. 2d) The Caldari icons on the target in space are next to invisible. 2e) The Caldari icons for the turrets have no definition (Suggestion, maybe overlay text like 150mm, and 75mm or something) 2f) See post 223 of the issues thread for picture... mining lasers are shooting through the ship (which really is ticking off the scrubby mining crews breakfast time)
** Item 3 - The hud
Thank you for restoring the yellow to the capacitor vs the orange that was out for awhile.
** Item 4 - Captain's Quarters
4a) Why do you make me walk to a certain range before I can activate a button. Just allow us to click it. (I know you want to enforce space and us moving in 3d, but really, not in our quarters). 4b) Ship drag to deploy. (I'm fairly even tempered but this is getting to me.) 4c) Lighting, allow us to control. Way to dark, can't see half of the good stuff you have done because I have seen it on YouTube. Our monitors are not the same you get on Corporate Vendor Sales. 4d) Allow us to lay on the bed. It's bad enough there is no bathroom and I have to undock just to pee in my pod, but not allowing me to lay down. Fix. 4e) Pod embark/debark in public space? You remove Pleasure Hubs but support open nudity? Breaks the immersion from the fiction and the fan videos you did. I'm hoping this was just a quick Minmatar style fix to roll out Incarna, but for the Caldari and Amarr, it should be more private. Not sure about us Gallente. 4f) News screen. Off button. Please watch any episode of Max Headroom to understand why. 4g) Allow re-customization again. "Why didn't anyone tell me my butt is so big", Mel Brooks
** Item 5 - Character Customization
The new me, I'm holding my breath.
** Item 6 - Hilmar
Please leave your office once in awhile.
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Jack Charlini
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:04:00 -
[930]
You really need to rethink your minimum specs, there's no way I'm buying a new graphics card to run a feature I don't want and didn't ask for.
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Raz Xym
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:10:00 -
[931]
Originally by: Jannx Edited by: Jannx on 23/06/2011 19:39:58 Could CCP tell us why they're deleting posts that, rightly, point out that their latest dev blog completely ignores the issues that the subscribing community are concerned with?
Edit: I've pointed out, in the comments section of their latest dev blog, that it completely ignores the current concerns of the community... four times! Each time it was deleted. I used no foul language or images, and I was not the only one by any means. I'm guessing at least half the posts on there have been deleted by CCP Fallout.
That's biting the hand that feeds you, CCP.
I also have been heavily moderated in that thread. All posts are deleted that do not 100% support CCP in their views of what a good job they have done. Just more signs what they really think of their customers.
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Fogwlker
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:19:00 -
[932]
1.) In anticipation of this expansion I have been stockpiling all my usual hangouts with Booz, Cigarettes, Janitors, Slaves and Exotic Dancers as well as snack items. Yet when I look in my quarters there are no cigarettes, no liquor, noone picking up my dirty laundry and certainly no half naked dancers. Get on it. I don't need nudity but perhaps some bikini clad women would make my investments worth it. And cigarettes my character neeeds smoke like a fat kid needs cake.
2.) Vanity store needs way more items. If I'm going to spend the isk to look awesome I certainly dont wanna look like everyone else out there. Perhaps some of the items/slaves/strippers I mentioned above would be available for purchase.
3.) This is prolly in the works but Ill mention it anyways, having a real avatar that I can play dress up with is useless unless I can walk around with other avatars and make rude gestures at them.
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Zorash Xanten
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:21:00 -
[933]
As a 2006 player I am deeply concerned about the direction CCP is taking my beloved EVE, 2 days ago I would have said to anyone that I would play EVE until the day the servers shut down, now I doubt I will be playing EVE at the end of the year, probably sooner if CCP don't seriously rethink their strategy.
Oh a feedback for Incarna: Full of c r a p that the playerbase did not want.
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DHuncan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:29:00 -
[934]
Originally by: Draco Omega In a word: Terrible update.
Walking around a pointless room is lame. Waste of computer resources if you ask me. All that time for this? Ugh... lame.
Why not spend more time upgrading content (more interesting / new quests, more epic arc missions, etc) instead of wasting time on something like the Captain's Quarters.
And to top it all off, the problems with the Mac client since the launch (which still has not been corrected) is terrible. Why not fully bug test things before release?
They dont aim for intelligent players, but for the big mass, that will give more money by larger numbers. This patch improved theyr servers performances not your end. So from now on the politics are: Sims like girlie game and nonsense noobkill asistance. Get over it, is all about mulla, isn't it?
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Jenny Starlight
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:39:00 -
[935]
Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 23/06/2011 20:41:07 Running two clients with the captains quarter turned on lags like a 500v500 battle even on my newly upgraded PC with I7 2600K, x2 6970 2GB, 16GB of RAM, 128GB intel 510 SSD.
Three clients, well then its worse than Uemon was at max graphics. And it laggs the entire PC not just the clients. And yes its wrong with the game itself not my PC.
Yeah, that clash in Uemon was less laggy than the captains quarter with multiple clients..
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Posiedan
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:59:00 -
[936]
I like the Captains Quarters, except it lags with the settings I have. I know I can turn it off, and I do, but I wish it would revert back to the old way when I did.
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Horaccio
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:16:00 -
[937]
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 23/06/2011 20:41:07 Running two clients with the captains quarter turned on lags like a 500v500 battle even on my newly upgraded PC with I7 2600K, x2 6970 2GB, 16GB of RAM, 128GB intel 510 SSD.
Three clients, well then its worse than Uemon was at max graphics. And it laggs the entire PC not just the clients. And yes its wrong with the game itself not my PC.
Yeah, that clash in Uemon was less laggy than the captains quarter with multiple clients..
Running a Pentium D processor with 3 Gigs of RAM under vista 32-bit on an old spinning HD with 8800GT 1GB card and it's fine. 2 clients on one screen (alt+tab) drives this baby to the the edge but still works just fine even with maxed out graphics. Either stop buying computers in malls or stop selling bull.
BTW One (maybe few) general remark: - This Incarna patch is a first step into social gaming. Just a way of checking how much flaming it would get from those "hardcore" long-time players who normally don't have any issue with exploiting game mechanics but in this case are acting as "guradians of tradition" - Of course this patch is also an end of PLEX - one can not pay bills in ISK, even in Iceland. You see vanity items, PLEX conversion into aurum etc. But the point is to get those plexes our of players pockets and make them paying real money for playing. - Of course with Dust 514 ccp is trying to dramatically increase and rejuvenate player base with those evil console gamers. These people will very likely try to see what eve is about and if it's not like S*MS they won't bother.
Huge generalisation but as usual it's our choice to play or not and remember that ccp is not a non-profit organistaion. Stop whining and enjoy :). Or in an act of protest you can just give me all your plexes and cancel subscription.
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Eddie Saunders
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:21:00 -
[938]
Edited by: Eddie Saunders on 23/06/2011 21:24:32 Edited by: Eddie Saunders on 23/06/2011 21:22:38 Personally I really like incarna, and there is alot of potential. However as mentioned, please reduce NEX prices, this will actually make you ,ccp, more money as if basic clothes were a hundred or few hundred aurum: more ppl buy and remember every aurum will have come from breaking up a PLEX, also ull boost the isk to aurum trade so people will risk breaking up a plex to sell the aurum individually for more isk overall than the plex cost them (4 ppl who only want 100 aur for those new boots and dnt wana WASTE a whole PLEX ) so then u'll get more plex's used again. Also make it easier to do stuff as again already said, i don't want to have to learn shortcuts , I have to open ship hangar then cargo hold to open ships cargo if I'm not near the holograms ... Just think when therest of the station is open and were 3 mins from our cq and need to suddenly move some items from our hangar to our ships cargo and undock .... Please get a team to fix up all of these minor mistakes ! Thanks , eddie
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Felis Arkaral
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:22:00 -
[939]
- The new turret design is awesome. I had been looking forward to it and was not disappointed. Some of the turrets fit kind of oddly on some of the frigates though, but that's more a function of ship size than turret design.
- The new Maller ship family design is also awesome, especially the Khanid variant. Makes me want to go buy one even though I really don't have the need to fly it.
- Ambulation is cool, and is pretty much as had been promised and expected, not a big surprise there. I'd love to have a body reshape for my character though, her proportions didn't quite appear the way I expected when i made her. I had hoped there would be more (free) options introduced for attire, but hopefully that is down the road somewhere.
- CQ is amusing and also appears as expected. However, the lighting seems off in some places, and I'd love to be able to customize whats on those monitors. Also, I think reintroducing the hanger layer between open space and standing in the station would be convenient. Sometimes I'd just like to dock quickly, load stuff and take off without disembarking.
- I'm not sure how to articulate my objection to NEX. If people want to cash-in PLEX in NEX for in game bling and what not, I could care less, to each their own. That being said, I feel that MT models have a bad kinda vibe to them. Kind of a buffet vs. a la carte sort of deal. I would strongly prefer to stay on a strictly subscription game, MT can have a stingy kinda feel to if not executed very carefully. Lol @ $70 monocle.
All in all, get a few bugs patched up and work out some of the CQ/ambulation kinks, expand past the CQ novelty material into something that holds the attention a bit more and i think we might have something cool. Doesn't the idea of a completely integrated universe between planets, stations, ships and people sound fun?
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Mera Lehbo
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:25:00 -
[940]
Feedback: Incarna is essentially a tech demo that doesn't add to or fix the gameplay in any meaningful way. I'll be cancelling all my subscriptions.
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zoni Ishikela
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:27:00 -
[941]
Edited by: zoni Ishikela on 23/06/2011 21:35:43 Edited by: zoni Ishikela on 23/06/2011 21:34:41 Edited by: zoni Ishikela on 23/06/2011 21:33:55 Edited by: zoni Ishikela on 23/06/2011 21:32:20 - I like CQ as a user interface, and glad you also kept the old UI. - I'm not sure why CQ is such a hit on the GPU - even when the UI is doing nothing my GPU fan spins up and it's working hard. In fact, enabling AA in CQ really hits the FPS. In fact, if my GPU can handle Crysis at a decent 30FPS, it should easily handle CQ, and that's not the case (slide show with AA enabled on an Nvidia 420M, no issues with ATI 5870). Seems that there's some optimization yet to be had there. - Please fix HDR on ATI cards - that's a bummer. - With regards to which ship is selected, would be nice to see that easily through the ship window. Can see it in the holographic image and/or the deck. - Turrets are nice, love that. - Haven't tried Aurum, didn't see the need at my level (I don't need style to get podded :) ) - Seems to take a lot less time to load my items window - If only I didn't need a magnifying glass to see my text in 13 points at native screen resolution - my eyes are old, and I fail to see the point in using 800x600 resolution just to be able to read my text with my reading glasses... - Hope they have a way to turn off the TV in Incarna 1.1...
Overall, I think it's a positive step and good evolution, keep it up. Do keep the 2D though as 3D is not for all users, and even mid-range graphic cards have a super hard time with CQ right now, and the existing ability to turn that off is welcome.
Z.
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G'Shad
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:28:00 -
[942]
òFactional Warfare NPCs now care about defending against their allies enemies. (copy/pasted from http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=230 )
Could we get some expansion on what this means, because it clearly is not Empire Navy NPCs attacking PCs of cross enemy faction like it sounds like it should be. Example: player members of the Gallente Federation's militia with high Amarr Empire standing can still sit around a gate in Amarr Empire highsec and not be noticed by the Amarr Empire NPCs. They can even get into an extensive battleship on battleship brawl against members of the Amarr Empire Militia right next to said NPCs with out ever drawing navy attention. This greatly implies that nothing has changed.
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Miharu Kuzak
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:35:00 -
[943]
I'm a 2007 player and I love this update! The new turret animation are awsome and I really like the CQ. But I would like to control the lighting, it's a bit to dark. Also it would be great to change the style of the CQ so that it looks more like caldari or amaar.
Really great job CCP!
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Vanessa Vansen
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:37:00 -
[944]
Hi there,
just wanted to let you know. I really do like the new turrets... looking forward to see the missile launcher in the future too. A little thing to add on your list is who turrets interact with cloaking, since that is looking a bit strange.
Captain Quarters ... sorry, I don't care about and have turned it off but I do miss station spinning a bit. Noble exchange ... sorry again, but I'm into ships and no, they don't need some special painting or whatever.
It would be nice to hear if there is any new ship that you would have in mind ... maybe T3 frigates/destroyer/battlecruiser/battleships ... or even T3 mining barges ... I would have some ideas for the later one, in case you're interested (yes, I'm serious).
Cheers, Van
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andymark
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:40:00 -
[945]
C'mon CCP admit it this has no merit at all to gameplay. This is self indulgence taken to grandiose proportions. Has top management any idea at all what eve is about any more? I personally walked into the CQ and switched the f&cker off! What mad marketing tosser dreamt this all up and how did it sail past the drawing board?
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Fluffy Pillowbiter
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:57:00 -
[946]
Congratulations CCP! You have now made the game much less enjoyable for me. I for one am not going to pay 1 more red cent to beta test your product.Thats what we pay YOU for. Nor do i wish to shorten the life of my computer if i want to play more than 2 clients with CQ OFF let alone on!
Your DUST OR BUST approach is wrecking EVE as we know and love it. Good Luck with transitioning eve from internet space ship pew pew to FPS planet pew pew, oh and u better do it b4 the cash cow runs outta milk or ya gonna be F*****D. 6 accts unsubbed = more pillows i can buy.
And NO!,u cannot haz mah jhew gold =) |
Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:21:00 -
[947]
this is my feedback read
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Tek Gold
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:30:00 -
[948]
After playing the game with the new content I have to add some things to my previous feedback:
-Aurum/NeX: The idea is acceptable, the prices are certainly not. While most MMO's feature a item-store nowadays, the prices are -to say it politely- exaggerated. The eye-implant costs 12000 aurum, that's almost 4 plexes. After all this is a decorational digital item, paying that much(around 70Ç or 1560,000,000 ISK(fast check))...certainly not. I don't see forward to the complete walking-in-stations-experience if it turns out like this. If only people who are well enough compensated for such investments in a game will be able to expand their outfits, the players will turn out to look all the same. While EVE is certainly the best scifi-MMO or even simulator I've encountered, it's still a game. 5Ç for a shirt, that's a price I could accept. It would be reasonable enough to just go shopping sometimes, but it would sum up for a large variety of outfits. Leave the high prices to things large corporations or alliances could use: Expensive costumizable skysc****rs in a station for example.
-Captains Quarters: I like graphical interfaces like this. Further expansions of it would be great...but I miss the old hangar too. For one of the first demonstrations of the incarna-features the captains-cabin was chosen from a menu in the normal hangar-interface. This would be the ideal solution.
-Turrets: Well, I stick with it: Please make them retractable by pressing a button.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:41:00 -
[949]
Edited by: Atreus Venom on 23/06/2011 22:42:23 how awesome would it be to dock at a station and have the old hanger view there like before but then have the option to unboard the ship.. and you see your pod leave the ship and lock onto the platform and open and you pop out some **** like that would be cool or you can choose to just stay in the ship...
BTW PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain NEX there is nothing noble about it
º--Atreus--º
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Neeke Oh'Lamarick
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:44:00 -
[950]
Originally by: Thermoss Devlin I only hope that CCP really listens to this player feedback becuase if they don't i don't sincerely know if i will keep my accountsactive.
I only have a few things to say: * Don't release updates that are not fully tested.
This made me laugh :)
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Prester Tom
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:54:00 -
[951]
CCP, please, please, can we get some response from you about all this?
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Dan Estrellas Amigo
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:17:00 -
[952]
"But what if they don't want to use CQ?"
"Well then just show them the door."
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Vauss Dutan
Caldari Rock and Stone
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:19:00 -
[953]
Your Aurum prices are waaay too high. They are so high that wearing these items will get you ridiculed. You will not be elite or special, you will be a fool to be mocked. This is a game where being a fool and being mocked is waaaaay bad. As someone stated in another thread, the eve base of players are not they type of players your market analysts learned about in business school. This is a niche group of hardcore players and they are laughing your macro transaction rollout into the ground. You should now have some data to analyze the rejection of this. Analyze it and make some changes.
And, change your "golden goose" perspective and just make a damn good game. The subscribers will then come and you'll have enough money to fund your twilight game and whatever else youre making.
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Heinrich Dekkard
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:36:00 -
[954]
I normaly dont post a lot on this Forums because quite frankly i dont like them that much but here it comes:
I came to the conclusion that instead of pushing out all this Aurum and Microtransactions nonsense i would have been much more happy with an increase in Subs by lets say 5 Euros a month.
I am 100% Serious here.
I mean everyone understands this: There are those Greedy shareholders who want to just grab the money and run, creating a counterproductive environment for the CCP Employes to develop anything innovative (cause beeing innovative means taking a risk Position in the Market these days and they cant have that in there greedy little world).
So why not raise the Subscription by a fiver and save us all the whole Aurum hussle and the related nonsense. Sooner or later Game relevant Stuff will pop out in that fancy Store anyways and people will be even more anoyed by all this (One can allread smell that Nuclear +15% Bomb for only 19,95 Aurum per use,.. and dont pretend otherwise ;)). Development time for this stuff could be used for much more benefit in other departments of the game etc. etc. you get the Point .....
Cheers
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JT Black
Amarr ALPHA REACTION
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:38:00 -
[955]
The one at the helm is responsible for not putting a stop to what members of CCP staff are doing.
Mr Hilmar , can you read the forums and understand how displeased your subscribers are ?
Yet again you trust your "inovative" members of staff to do a good job ?
Say , was I the Boss I would simply replace whoever keeps trying to interfere with teh game content with people who understand that EvE needs to stabilize and give way to their constant changes and sugestions.
Take time to reflect on the course your/our beloved game is taking, maybe you will say i am right. Its time to stop releasing expansions and better what already needed addressing.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:00:00 -
[956]
I suppose my feedback to this patch, and subsequent revelations, is this....
Originally by: Account management - cancel account
I will re-sub in September IF:
You scrap ALL MT for EVE (if my subscription is not enough then your business model is flawed).
You restore the old Hanger view and make CQ optional on docking.
If you give us separate graphics settings for Incarna and Space.
If you start responding regularly to feedback from players helping you out by testing stuff on SiSi.
If you start caring about RP and Immersion over hard profit.
If you take the time to actually remove defects from patches that are discovered on the first day of testing rather than allowing patches to hit TQ with them still in. ( I appreciate you can't find all the bugs/issues before launch, But your not fixing the ones we do find)
If you start communicating with us in the early development process and ask us for feedback when there is still time to change things, and lots of dev time and resources have not already been deployed.
If you do these things... I will re-sub in September... If you don't... I will vanish and never return...
Your choice.
I await your response to these issues on the forums, and in the dev blogs.
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You have till September as I resubscribed for 3 months just before the patch.
I was not expecting to, and have never before, threatened to leave EVE over any other patch.
I am not threatening to leave now.
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Support Optional CQ
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Chidori kun
Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:07:00 -
[957]
Hi all,
Of and on I been playing EvE since 2005, I have fought up north and south. So yeah I can say I am a PVP'r.
Peeps talking barbie space dolls and other stuff fine if that is your opinion that fine with me I respect that.
But when in 2006 rumors came about walking in stations I was like yes more immersion that's great. But it never came and it turned in a echo in the background noise.
Not long ago I returned to EvE been away on SL, WoW and so on. Anyways I saw the new CC en was like yes finally that looks more like it, not that fake cartoon like character picture we had before. When I was catching up on my EvE reading I learned about Incarna and was even more happy, fluffy well ya know ;)
I knew it would the first step to walking in stations but hey not everything can be done at once.
Even looked at SiSi helped with the last masstest cause I was there anyways to look how the CQ would look with my own eyes. Saw the shop played barbie doll in front of the mirror and basically liked what I saw. Although not all the clothing was well... top notch, I have designed and seen better in SL but it was a good enough start.
So the 21th of june came stayed up late waiting to go online creditcard ready to buy a plex to convert it to AURUM (yeah I am dutch) After patching my client plop online headed to the shop and.... well I had to rub my eyes a few time because of the prices and the lack of goods compared to SiSi. Basically I put back my CC in my RL wallet half laughing half crying only thinking they must have gone mad in Iceland sniffing to much volcanic ashes. Or some idiot made a misstake...
The prices are well insane and... I am lost for words.. Now I am concerned about the future when we finally can get out of our CQ's meet up or walk up behind a person pointing a blaster to his/her head Saying "Hey remember me"
There is no future for immersion with clothing and trinkets with those prices.. If it stays like that then we can better clone Jango Fett again and play clone wars in EvE... well that is really boring.
Chid hops back in the her hulk
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RnDr Brain
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:11:00 -
[958]
Originally by: G'Shad òFactional Warfare NPCs now care about defending against their allies enemies. (copy/pasted from http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=230 )
Could we get some expansion on what this means, because it clearly is not Empire Navy NPCs attacking PCs of cross enemy faction like it sounds like it should be. Example: player members of the Gallente Federation's militia with high Amarr Empire standing can still sit around a gate in Amarr Empire highsec and not be noticed by the Amarr Empire NPCs. They can even get into an extensive battleship on battleship brawl against members of the Amarr Empire Militia right next to said NPCs with out ever drawing navy attention. This greatly implies that nothing has changed.
dude we were tanking amarr navy... It doesnt do anything with Incarna...
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RnDr Brain
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:38:00 -
[959]
turret icons dont need to say more
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Laurentus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 01:52:00 -
[960]
Originally by: RnDr Brain turret icons dont need to say more
Completely agree. While the turret models are OK, the icons are terrible (too dark at least).
Generally about the Incarna: big disappointment. There are really much more important issues to improve than introducing CQ which eat my computer resources, and I see no sense in it at this time at least. Why the CCP resources are not diverted to the areas which really need improvement like low-sec, diplomacy, more interesting missions, arc & epics, new ships, etc...
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Auric Aurumfinger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:24:00 -
[961]
Originally by: RnDr Brain turret icons dont need to say more
Agree! As the fellow pilot said above: they scale terribly too. Too dark, to detailed and simply can't quite see the model.
It needs work: lighter, less detailed, more vectorial representation of the turrets, not the rusty blocks that look like 16-bit era icons. Aurum is Gold in Latin EVE Online Gold Shop - Welcome to the Future |
Auric Aurumfinger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:39:00 -
[962]
- CQ: as another player suggested, add the disembark button and activate it. Otherwise, keep as it was. - CQ: performance not bad on a Quad-Core CPU with Radeon 5870 video card. - New Turrets: Nice! - New Turrets's Icons: Bad! Too dark, textured and detailed. Do not scale well when placed next to targets. Check the strip miners. - Real New Content: missing in action. - Aurum Shop: Fair idea, bad implementation. Sprint more on that. Aurum is Gold in Latin EVE Online Gold Shop - Welcome to the Future |
Yonaquel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:46:00 -
[963]
My first reaction was KEWL - then frustration with getting my body to move around. Things seem real laggy but that is usual with the first few days of an expansion. I kindof like the screen interfaces but haven't figured out yet how to make the middle one do what I want. Gotta play with all the controls to learn. My face looks so squishy and ugly from nearly any angle........etc. etc. etc. But I do realize that this is just a first step towards a greater goal. I look forward to the day when I can set up my own shopfront in a station. OK - there's a suggestion.
Been reading all the messages asking for a choice between old station interface and new CQ. What about just a new docking option - "Dock" you go into CQ; Cargo Dock - you go just to station interface to dump cargo - makes much more sense for mining, picking up purchased items; dropping salvage loot to go back out etc. etc. The code changes would be easier I'd think.
Amazing how many of us loved to spin ships - and here I thought it was just me!!! Fly safe all and don't be too hard on CCP. Overall I think their intentions are sound - with 350K+ people there is no way they can ever please everyone about everything.
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flop
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:11:00 -
[964]
I would love to have the pre patch version back!!! the lag is killing the f·n of running two clients at same time. Well guess ppl will love to buy my hi skill alts of my add account if ccp cant fix this problem soon!
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bp920091
Killer Koalas R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:15:00 -
[965]
Originally by: Yonaquel My first reaction was KEWL - then frustration with getting my body to move around. Things seem real laggy but that is usual with the first few days of an expansion. I kindof like the screen interfaces but haven't figured out yet how to make the middle one do what I want. Gotta play with all the controls to learn. My face looks so squishy and ugly from nearly any angle........etc. etc. etc. But I do realize that this is just a first step towards a greater goal. I look forward to the day when I can set up my own shopfront in a station. OK - there's a suggestion.
Been reading all the messages asking for a choice between old station interface and new CQ. What about just a new docking option - "Dock" you go into CQ; Cargo Dock - you go just to station interface to dump cargo - makes much more sense for mining, picking up purchased items; dropping salvage loot to go back out etc. etc. The code changes would be easier I'd think.
Amazing how many of us loved to spin ships - and here I thought it was just me!!! Fly safe all and don't be too hard on CCP. Overall I think their intentions are sound - with 350K+ people there is no way they can ever please everyone about everything.
The issue with incarna isnt that CCP cannot please everyone about everything, it is the fact that they COMPLETELY IGNORED all the feedback from the mass tests, and people basically react to the new material in one of the four following ways (in order of likelihood, greatest to smallest)
1. This is crap, (turns off CQ, left with staring at a bulkhead) never turns it on again 2. This is kind of interesting, but im not buying anything (after 5 minutes, turns off CQ, turns it on once every week or so for 5 minutes) 3. This is mildly interesting, buys one or two overpriced items, realizes they are wortless, turns CQ off after an hour, plays with their character every few weeks or so. 4. I love the expansion, buys some new outfits, realizes after they bought all the items (or what they can afford) that they are just fluff and may or may not turn OFF CQ.
End of the day, all 4 people have an extremely high liklihood in turning off CQ
CCP, just bring back the old station view and give us a DISEMBARK option, seriously that will please about 95% of the people that have issues (well, their big complaints)
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:37:00 -
[966]
I think most people DO like the CQ (or the idea of the CQ at least). The real issues are in its mandatory nature (almost everyone would prefer to have a button in the normal hanger view that allows your to leave ship and enter the CQ), as well as the NEX shop.
Also, as it is, the CQ is a little broken. For example, if you want to clone jump, you're told to "leave ship." The problem being that when you're in the CQ, you're visually already out of the ship even though the game doesn't recognize that. Something to iterate on...
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NeoSmith
Solar Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:39:00 -
[967]
CCP, Why do you have to require me to create an avatar just to play EVE?!???
Now I can't even log in to play!!!
The problem: The EVE client always restarts itself after I click on the "Next" button when I've finished customizing my avatar. It shows that the client is loading in a couple of seconds, then restarts itself.
I'm using a brand new HP Pavilion DV4-3023TX notebook with 8GB RAM, enough juice to play EVE. 40-60 FPS using high level setting with V-Sync on(but only 2x Anti Aliasing). PS: I tried to lower all the settings too, but the client still restarts.
To be honest, I just return to play EVE after 21 months off and now I have to waste 3 days of game time for such a ridiculous reason: Players are required to finish creating an avatar to play!!!!!
I've submitted a petition, so far only 1 response which doesn't solve the problem.
It seems like my decision not to activate all my accounts at once is correct after all.
I wish you can solve my problem.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:43:00 -
[968]
I'll post here my concnerns.
1. Incarna is still too buggy.
2. When you don't have CQ enabled you show a picture of a door. Sorry that is kind of a **** move as it presents the phrase "showing someone the door"
3. I don't know what you icelanders do for glasses, but i can get 2 pairs of prescription glasses for 99 bucks in the states and your monocle is 80 bucks. I think you need to re-evaluate all of your prices and the plex to aurum conversion asap. If you looked at ANY F2P game, most items even vanity are less than 10 bucks.
4. Give us the option to have ship spinning hangers rather than cq. Also there was a thread in GD that showed the gallente pleasure hub.
ok im done sorry been raging the past couple of days, but you know after 5 years and the stuff i have seen within the past few days. yeah i am disappointed.
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:00:00 -
[969]
Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Yonaquel My first reaction was KEWL - then frustration with getting my body to move around. Things seem real laggy but that is usual with the first few days of an expansion. I kindof like the screen interfaces but haven't figured out yet how to make the middle one do what I want. Gotta play with all the controls to learn. My face looks so squishy and ugly from nearly any angle........etc. etc. etc. But I do realize that this is just a first step towards a greater goal. I look forward to the day when I can set up my own shopfront in a station. OK - there's a suggestion.
Been reading all the messages asking for a choice between old station interface and new CQ. What about just a new docking option - "Dock" you go into CQ; Cargo Dock - you go just to station interface to dump cargo - makes much more sense for mining, picking up purchased items; dropping salvage loot to go back out etc. etc. The code changes would be easier I'd think.
Amazing how many of us loved to spin ships - and here I thought it was just me!!! Fly safe all and don't be too hard on CCP. Overall I think their intentions are sound - with 350K+ people there is no way they can ever please everyone about everything.
The issue with incarna isnt that CCP cannot please everyone about everything, it is the fact that they COMPLETELY IGNORED all the feedback from the mass tests, and people basically react to the new material in one of the four following ways (in order of likelihood, greatest to smallest)
1. This is crap, (turns off CQ, left with staring at a bulkhead) never turns it on again 2. This is kind of interesting, but im not buying anything (after 5 minutes, turns off CQ, turns it on once every week or so for 5 minutes) 3. This is mildly interesting, buys one or two overpriced items, realizes they are wortless, turns CQ off after an hour, plays with their character every few weeks or so. 4. I love the expansion, buys some new outfits, realizes after they bought all the items (or what they can afford) that they are just fluff and may or may not turn OFF CQ.
End of the day, all 4 people have an extremely high liklihood in turning off CQ
CCP, just bring back the old station view and give us a DISEMBARK option, seriously that will please about 95% of the people that have issues (well, their big complaints)
5. People who can't play EvE because incarna either a) dropped support for their comp (+1 for me) or b) their comp that exceeds the minimum specs still fails in CQ and in space because of this patch.
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SpaceBenfish
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:19:00 -
[970]
My train of thought logging into Incarna:
1) Am I suppose to fly my ship or go to a LARP? I'm dressed for a LARP... 2) Is there a lifeguard hidden in my closet with a whistle at the first sign of breaking Scooby Doo tip-toe speed? 3) Are the vanity items produced by Bvlgari? Lebron wouldn't put this stuff on his Amex. 4) Wheres my spiny Rev? I liked my spiny rev, and my spiny paladin, and my spiny Raven... 5) Where the hell do you turn this off?
At that point I turned off CQ and had one final observation:
My spaceship spreadsheet man did look like he was hitting the clubs...
Capital Ships 5 now training...
If you need me I'll be at the clubs
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Marhaba
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:31:00 -
[971]
You people have fun with Space Sims, I'm out.
I was under the impression that Captains Quarters would be optional. In a way it kinda is, but the other option is staring at NOTHING. I used to love being able to just right click on my ship when docked and do things, like open the cargo hold or drone bay.
There was no reason to remove that in an effort to force players to use the captains quarters. Between this and your plan to milk Chribba for 99 dollars a year, I'm gone.
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Parsival Abon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:37:00 -
[972]
Yeah, I don't like this update at all. I can appreciate all the effort that went into it, and I'm impressed by the achievement, and I may even be willing to admit that I'm somewhat curious where it might lead. But with that said, I'm just as impressed by people who wrangle rattlesnakes and those who are able juggle flaming chainsaws. In all the aforementioned cases, the obvious question is "Why the hell would you want to do that!? Who are you trying to impress, anyway??" I feel the same about this patch, and you won't find me investing my time in it any more than you'll find me taking up venomous snake acrobatics or smouldering chainsaw shenanigans. That's my opinion on the CONTENT.
On the PERFORMANCE of this patch, I notice a significant increase in memory resource hogging, and I'm disappointed that this Intel Core i5 760, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 machine I built a few months ago is already struggling to handle the three clients I routinely kept open prior to the advent of this new build. Even one client is laggy.
Can someone please tell me how the hell to turn this damn feature off anyway??
On a side note, I just checked, and despite the emotional and physical toll this build has taken on my constitution, I'm still strikingly handsome. Rejoice and be merry, all is not lost.
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Bindfix Foe
Amarr PELCA Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:37:00 -
[973]
I love it, my feedback is like this.
I initially had trouble working out how to move around however it's quite easy once you get the idea. You can still use all of the older buttons such as ship hangar, items so after I dock it doesn't take me any longer to access those things if I need to.
Not sure what everyone is worried about the old windows are overlayed on the CQ screen any ways if you want to ignore CQ and use your left hand side buttons (they are still there).
My problem now is I'm spending too much time watching my 3 new plasma TVs in my CQ and forgetting to undock and play. :) I guess the novalty will wear off.
CCP you rock for implementing captains quarters and I can't wait for the updates where we can walk around in a community later in the year.
I have a few friends I want to share a quafe with :).
Did I mention that I love my new set of 3 plasmas on the wall I can see more information about whats going on and feels better when you immerse yourself into the CQ fully. Nah m8, that ship is mine.. |
Valos Cor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:39:00 -
[974]
Love the upgrade so far !!!!!
BUT my Proteous FLYS BACKWARDS ALL THE TIME !!!!!
It is the only ship that does it, please make it stop, very embarrasing in battle. My explanation that I am a b@d @ss pilot is wearing thin. Guns point backwards also and no warp graphics and engine graphics.
Also, as a minor critic, I do think the loss of perspective on the ship sizes in dock takes away from the reality of the game. My Friget should not be that big....
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Blind Bartemaeus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:48:00 -
[975]
CCP, just bring back the old station view and give us a DISEMBARK option, seriously that will please about 95% of the people that have issues (well, their big complaints)
THIS is a sound idea worth considering very carefully. I'm in that 95% subset. Do this and fix the system resources issue, and in return we'll all promise to all spend at least 1000 isk trying out the new, amazing, EPIC versions of Minmatar Holdem and Amarrian Checkers I'm sure is in the development plan. Right, everyone?
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Tacyon
Caldari The Phayder Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:49:00 -
[976]
^^^^ stuck in reverse .. ESC menu ingame -> Clear Cache Files and you'll be right as rain. And yes your friget does look that fat in that dress ...
Two years in eve .. for the most part it's been a positive improvement if you look at the big picture. I do get an uneasy feeling that this is turning into a "golden goose" for CCP and they'll end up killing it in the process of mining it. Remember, pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered !
I like the premiss of CQ (as a start). In five days when the newness wares off I'll ignore it and just press the stations buttons along the side to get done what I need to. Yes .. you can simply ignore it and just use the neocom interface or station controls.
Turrets .. the best part IMO. But they really do need to stay retracted unless you go for an active lock or you've entered warp. An ARM THE WEAPONS SYSTEMS button could also work.
Turret Icons - wow .. what to do. Howabout the old icons back. You could at least tell what they were. Kind of like "internation icons" for female/male and not a newspaper picture of a female/male. K.I.S.S. principal.
Lighting in CQ. I think that is a rendering engine issue. The "tops" of ALL surfaces are lit reguardless if there should be a shadow nullifing that effect. This is part of their new engine coding I would think. That will get better with maturity. Am I willing to wait? .. sure, this is NOT CoD, Fear, Crysis or Doom. 95% of the time I'm in space shooting at stuff. If I want to kill someone in CQC I load up one of the afore mentioned FPS'ers
What I was supprised to see was overhead. (well and the cost of a pair of glasses - ah ..no thanks) Everyone whos complained about being slow with more than one client open, take a look at your memory usage. For me that was 2.23gb on a system (XP-Pro 32bit = maxed) with only 2gb physical memory. That means .23gb (230mb) is spooling to my HDD swapfile .. no wonder its slow and laggy. I was no where near this level of overhead prior to CQ.
Lucy, you have sum optimizing tu do !! My god .. it's full of stars ! |
Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:10:00 -
[977]
**** CCP and **** this expansion.
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:13:00 -
[978]
While they are wasting time with bull**** like this expansion maybe they could take the time to answer petitions before ones games time runs out. . . novel idea that A$$hats. . . (I had to borrow that A$$hat statement ^.^)
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Blair Wraith
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:35:00 -
[979]
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate - welcome to the player hater's ball....
33 pages of hate. let it go people.
Is it really that bad? 'I need 20 clients running so that I can immerse myself in internet spaceships.' ffs.
They are trying to develop this game into something exceptional. So it is laggy with more than one client going. so you get to stare at a wall -- patience. Incarna is a natural progression for EVE.
So many haters.
P.s. If you ragequit can i has your stuff?
P.p.s. CCP - the whole blank wall does suck ass. old hangar view should definitely be an option.
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:45:00 -
[980]
Edited by: Kentren on 24/06/2011 05:45:18 Let me make it clear you ****ing ******. I didn't rage quit. I got forced out. I wasn't around either time they announced the change in hardware so I didn't know when I renewed my sub and started to play and earned a plex which I applied to my account one day before the expansion. And now that this **** has hit the ****ing fan I find they are unwilling to talk to me three days has past and I got one answer from them and it basically said your **** out of luck. I have a good ****ing reason to hate them. And before you tell me to ****ing upgrade I would if I could but I do not have the money first this is a laptop so I would have to replace it and second I don't have the money if it were a pc to replace the video card. So you go **** your ignorant self.
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prejaha
Jagged Rock Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:08:00 -
[981]
Originally by: Blair Wraith hate, hate, hate, hate, hate - welcome to the player hater's ball....
33 pages of hate. let it go people.
Is it really that bad? 'I need 20 clients running so that I can immerse myself in internet spaceships.' ffs.
They are trying to develop this game into something exceptional. So it is laggy with more than one client going. so you get to stare at a wall -- patience. Incarna is a natural progression for EVE.
So many haters.
P.s. If you ragequit can i has your stuff?
P.p.s. CCP - the whole blank wall does suck ass. old hangar view should definitely be an option.
What a complete asshat - wake up and smell the coffee bud. They have a right to have a good moan if they are paying for something that simply is broken, Years of broken promises from CCP on the war on lag and they create this monster, It's put so many players pc's on the scrap heap that ran this fine before this crap patch, Not to mention the fact that NOT EVERYONE has a f----g money tree in the back garden to simply go upgrade to run this garbage. CCP are all self,self,self - greedy fat cats that don't give a s---t about the paying customers. Look at the prices in real life money for the clothes and that pathetic looking eye peace, that to me says it all as far as i'm concerned.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:11:00 -
[982]
Edited by: Skyreth on 24/06/2011 06:12:11
Originally by: Kentren Edited by: Kentren on 24/06/2011 05:45:18 Let me make it clear you ****ing ******. I didn't rage quit. I got forced out. I wasn't around either time they announced the change in hardware so I didn't know when I renewed my sub and started to play and earned a plex which I applied to my account one day before the expansion. And now that this **** has hit the ****ing fan I find they are unwilling to talk to me three days has past and I got one answer from them and it basically said your **** out of luck. I have a good ****ing reason to hate them. And before you tell me to ****ing upgrade I would if I could but I do not have the money first this is a laptop so I would have to replace it and second I don't have the money if it were a pc to replace the video card. So you go **** your ignorant self.
So...its their fault you didnt bother to check over things? Near every time they mentioned Incarna they also mentioned that it would have heavier requirements than EVE was using already at that time. Most people generally expect the requirements to go up every so often with expansions. Not the first time it's happened with EVE either.
Edit: I would like to add one thing...of course CCP is going to go after money, they need to if they want to grow and take home paychecks to their families...or do you guys think they make this game out of the good of their hearts? ---------------------------------
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Skyreth
Originally by: Kentren Edited by: Kentren on 24/06/2011 05:45:18 Let me make it clear you ****ing ******. I didn't rage quit. I got forced out. I wasn't around either time they announced the change in hardware so I didn't know when I renewed my sub and started to play and earned a plex which I applied to my account one day before the expansion. And now that this **** has hit the ****ing fan I find they are unwilling to talk to me three days has past and I got one answer from them and it basically said your **** out of luck. I have a good ****ing reason to hate them. And before you tell me to ****ing upgrade I would if I could but I do not have the money first this is a laptop so I would have to replace it and second I don't have the money if it were a pc to replace the video card. So you go **** your ignorant self.
So...its their fault you didnt bother to check over things? Near every time they mentioned Incarna they also mentioned that it would have heavier requirements than EVE was using already at that time. Most people generally expect the requirements to go up every so often with expansions. Not the first time it's happened with EVE either.
Oh yes lets place this blame on me **** you to *****. Major **** like this should be posted and forced into view and often since it has ****ed more then a few people.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kentren Oh yes lets place this blame on me **** you to *****. Major **** like this should be posted and forced into view and often since it has ****ed more then a few people.
Hey now, no need for the language. The blame goes to both sides. You didn't check and many people ignored being told that the system requirements were changing, but CCP also could have done better.
I accept that the game would be better if the CQ was optional. As some people have said before, having a button to enter the station or somesuch from the original hangar view. This would work wonders for those of you who can't and/or wont upgrade, for those that complain about running more than one client and would even speed things up for those of us that are otherwise fine.
But going off your head when you could have checked is a tad immature. So forgive me, but if this is how you'd react, I think EVE will be better off without you.
Ps. I enjoy the CQ, although I prefer not to run more than 1 client now due to it. Its the bugs like the skills issues, the low detailed new icons for the weapons and the fact that the CQ almost seems to have a memory leak that worries me. ---------------------------------
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Skyreth
Originally by: Kentren Oh yes lets place this blame on me **** you to *****. Major **** like this should be posted and forced into view and often since it has ****ed more then a few people.
Hey now, no need for the language. The blame goes to both sides. You didn't check and many people ignored being told that the system requirements were changing, but CCP also could have done better.
I accept that the game would be better if the CQ was optional. As some people have said before, having a button to enter the station or somesuch from the original hangar view. This would work wonders for those of you who can't and/or wont upgrade, for those that complain about running more than one client and would even speed things up for those of us that are otherwise fine.
But going off your head when you could have checked is a tad immature. So forgive me, but if this is how you'd react, I think EVE will be better off without you.
Ps. I enjoy the CQ, although I prefer not to run more than 1 client now due to it. Its the bugs like the skills issues, the low detailed new icons for the weapons and the fact that the CQ almost seems to have a memory leak that worries me.
So I say again with no shame **** you you ignorant ass. I have a right to my anger. CCP is at fault and could work a little harder to make this **** better. I am sure their is a legal issue here to accept money from people and not inform them of all the details of what they are getting into. It is worse that three days has passed and the best they can say to me is your SOL. . . So again to you and your holier then thou bull**** I say go **** yourself you ****ing ignorant bastard.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kentren So I say again with no shame **** you you ignorant ass. I have a right to my anger. CCP is at fault and could work a little harder to make this **** better. I am sure their is a legal issue here to accept money from people and not inform them of all the details of what they are getting into. It is worse that three days has passed and the best they can say to me is your SOL. . . So again to you and your holier then thou bull**** I say go **** yourself you ****ing ignorant bastard.
Ignorant?...Do you realise that with less pilots playing EVE, the more of an adverse effect it has on my gaming? I'm a pvp pilot, I make my money off destroying others. Without those others to destroy, things will get rather boring for me in EVE. The fact that this has a negative impact to the degree that so many can't play means that it effects everyone in EVE.
There is no legal issue since they did post several times that the requirements changed. Simple as that. The details were there for public viewing and you didn't check. They didn't ask for your soul, they didn't ask for all the money you had. So seriously, please, grow up.
Now until you can act like you're older than 9 and just figured out how to construct a sentence with every 2nd word being abusive, I doubt CCP will take you in any way seriously. ---------------------------------
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:42:00 -
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I somehow do not find myself concerned with how you see me or what I type. I do find myself concerned that the meaning seems to have eluded you. I honestly couldn't care less how it effect you scum bag (and I say that knowing what you are and not liking it a single bit). I care that this company (CCP if your to dumb to figure that out) has decided to upgrade their games system requirements. Ok yeah I should expect that oh wait I played WOW for what 5 years and never had that happen to be where they choose to upgrade and freeze me out but yeah as you say oh mighty rat that you are says I should have to I will now rewrite my memories to suit your defense of this company.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kentren I somehow do not find myself concerned with how you see me or what I type. I do find myself concerned that the meaning seems to have eluded you. I honestly couldn't care less how it effect you scum bag (and I say that knowing what you are and not liking it a single bit). I care that this company (CCP if your to dumb to figure that out) has decided to upgrade their games system requirements. Ok yeah I should expect that oh wait I played WOW for what 5 years and never had that happen to be where they choose to upgrade and freeze me out but yeah as you say oh mighty rat that you are says I should have to I will now rewrite my memories to suit your defense of this company.
First: Its "You're" not "Your", "too" not "to", and "effects" not "effect"...I could go on, but I will let your teacher do that. Second: You played WoW for 5 years? Says it all right there =) Third: Can I haz all yout stuffz?
Byyyyye o/ ---------------------------------
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:47:00 -
[989]
Originally by: Skyreth
Originally by: Kentren I somehow do not find myself concerned with how you see me or what I type. I do find myself concerned that the meaning seems to have eluded you. I honestly couldn't care less how it effect you scum bag (and I say that knowing what you are and not liking it a single bit). I care that this company (CCP if your to dumb to figure that out) has decided to upgrade their games system requirements. Ok yeah I should expect that oh wait I played WOW for what 5 years and never had that happen to be where they choose to upgrade and freeze me out but yeah as you say oh mighty rat that you are says I should have to I will now rewrite my memories to suit your defense of this company.
First: Its "You're" not "Your", "too" not "to", and "effects" not "effect"...I could go on, but I will let your teacher do that. Second: You played WoW for 5 years? Says it all right there =) Third: Can I haz all yout stuffz?
Byyyyye o/
You could kiss my ass and if you do it real well I might consider sending you an isk or two.
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:51:00 -
[990]
Oh yeah I forgot CCP shut me out of the game. . . Feel free to correct my grammar and spelling.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kentren You could kiss my ass and if you do it real well I might consider sending you an isk or two.
Nah, think I'd rather troll you till you run away. Far more enjoyable and personally, I think the attitude and abuse you're throwing about (like the fact you started bad mouthing me without me doing anything to you) is giving the people in this forum with REAL problems a bad name.
There are people here who've had computers go nuts from over heating (and maybe some have even lost their computers due to it), people here that would love to keep playing but just don't have the money for it and so much more...yet majority go about it in a more mature and respectful way (good job there too guys, seriously). So go back to WoW and let the real EVE players give feedback on the expansion, be it good or bad.
And if you won't give me your stuffz, I might just take it. Yarrr
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS. This is in no way targeted at any other players here with problems, I do sincerely hope that your issues can be fixed so that EVE doesn't lose part of its playerbase. ---------------------------------
You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn! |
Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:57:00 -
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You have to do better then that to drive me away.
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kentren You have to do better then that to drive me away.
Obviously CCP does a better job at it than me, cause they've already driven you away ---------------------------------
You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn! |
Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:04:00 -
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Since your taking a while to reply I will take the initiative. How to you intend to take my stuff since I cant log in and be where you can get me? Maybe hack me that's about the only way but since I was asking go ahead fill me in I am curious. Oh and yes I do feel your stupid as I do believe I mentioned once or twice that I cant even get into the game let alone give away my possessions to someone I don't like . . . like you.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Skyreth There is no legal issue since they did post several times that the requirements changed. Simple as that. The details were there for public viewing and you didn't check.
Maybe, but they could have done a lot more, e.g. popup a message advising of the change or eve mailing players every so often as the change approached. It also would have been child's play to have an earlier patch look at the system config and advise the player at login if Incarna wouldn't run on that machine.
The fact is not every player browses Eve news on the Eve or gaming news websites, or bothers to check it out on the right of the character select screen - most just hit enter to get on into Eve. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:10:00 -
[996]
Originally by: Toovhon
Maybe, but they could have done a lot more, e.g. popup a message advising of the change or eve mailing players every so often as the change approached. It also would have been child's play to have an earlier patch look at the system config and advise the player at login if Incarna wouldn't run on that machine.
The fact is not every player browses Eve news on the Eve or gaming news websites, or bothers to check it out on the right of the character select screen - most just hit enter to get on into Eve.
You make a good point, it is yet another case in this entire event that becomes an equal share responsibility. The players didn't bother to check and CCP didn't take further actions. At the same stage though, it almost seems like some people expect CCP to hold their hands through the entire process...which seems a bit much. ---------------------------------
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Delta Bacat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:36:00 -
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AWESOME!
I've not seen anything like this in an MMO before. CQ is amazing, the interactive tv is super, as is the ship 3-d menu.
Walking felt comfortable, both using keyboard and mouse. Everything except the character models looked awesome and I was amazed at the fast un/loading times (which takes no longer than the old undocking for me).
So, what can be improved?
All functions available in the buttons should be available in the CQ, some of which are currently missing. Most important ones:
- The "Repair shop" to the 3d ship menu.
- Easy item hangar access when using the 3d ship menu. Perhaps add an inventory holo next to the current 3d ship model for the model, with market, items, ships and noble exchange
Other than that I REALLY hate invisible walls. Please add a visual chain / barrier infront of the stairs to my pod. Any invisble wall is immersion breaking.
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Callidus Dux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 07:39:00 -
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The whole situation of this thread reminds me of the old "Ultima Underworld" game. You know, when you are trying to talk to a stone, a stump or to an hostile upset enemy. Every time you tried this.. you got a message which was folliwing: 'You get no response'
Come on CCP. Are you now an hostile enemy to me? Please give a statement to this thread. 34 pages of feedback and nothing from you. What should we all think about this behavior? Say something. please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please. *I beg you!
Best regards Callidus Dux
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Masta Splinta
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:02:00 -
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Thanks for the effort to keep the game interesting and evolving CCP, I will continue to support EVE. I am still happy that while most other MMO games charge for expansions, EVE is free. Thank you for keeping up this winning strategy!
No one can expect upgrades of this magnitude to run bug free from the get-go. I know that in CCP's testing everything may appear to be running smoothly without bugs but with the multitudes of diverse hardware and software configurations out there it is only to be expected that certain unforseen bugs will crop up with newly deployed patches. I suppose not everyone is familiar with software coding and the problems that can arise when deploying updates across multiple platforms with mutliple hardware configurations.
Although I have disabled the Captains Quaters, I did take some time to explore the new enviroment and I do see huge potential once the performance issues are resolved and the other areas of the station open up. I say performance issues because myself and several other players appear to have problems with the FPS when docking. I can run a steady 40-50 FPS while out in space on moderate settings, but even on the lowest settings I only manage around 10-15 FPS in the Captains Quarters. This has led to me disabling the feature as the lad is so terrible I battled to walk from my quarters to undock in my ship.
In response to the complaints of drone damage not being as high as before the patch was applied, I have not noticed any drop in drone damage on my side, my drones still hit hard and I have no complaints there. The turret animations and mining laser upgrades are a nice addtion and again, I also have no problems there at all.
Perhaps players experiencing these problems should attempt to clear their game cache as I did?
I am a little disappointed in the Aurum rates though. Also, other people have commented on the PLEX costs rising over 400M ISK which I also find a tad concerning. But this is an economic market place too and so I am really just nit-picking now.
Bravo on another decent free expansion, you continue to have my support and my monthly subs. Looking forward to seeing how things appear once the creases are ironed out and the full station options are available after the next expansion.
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Majoer Damage
Caldari Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blair Wraith hate, hate, hate, hate, hate - welcome to the player hater's ball....
33 pages of hate. let it go people.
Is it really that bad? 'I need 20 clients running so that I can immerse myself in internet spaceships.' ffs.
They are trying to develop this game into something exceptional. So it is laggy with more than one client going. so you get to stare at a wall -- patience. Incarna is a natural progression for EVE.
So many haters.
P.s. If you ragequit can i has your stuff?
P.p.s. CCP - the whole blank wall does suck ass. old hangar view should definitely be an option.
You sir are a ****** or a dev alt, Im putting my bets on all above
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Puskarich
Caldari The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:10:00 -
[1001]
"Eve sucks, Don't Play it." ^^^^ Now we understand the words of those who unsubbed before us. |
Kmelx
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kmelx on 24/06/2011 08:16:13 Seconded ^^^^ on a reply from CCP
Feedback thread for Incarna 1.0 is now 34 pages of mostly complaints, for Incursion 1.0 it was six pages of largely positive feedback.
How did that dev put in the other night during the Alliance Tournament when he was talking about the $99 fee:
"the community called bull**** on it and rightly so" or something along those lines, well CCP the community has called bull**** on Incarna in general and CQ in particular.
This is not going to die down or go away, you need to reply to and address the concerns of people in this and many other threads who are complaining about CQ.
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Radro
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Radro on 24/06/2011 08:46:38 Edited by: Radro on 24/06/2011 08:44:32 New turrets and CQ looks cool. I'm looking forward when I can walk in stations. Too bad that there is actually nothing to do in CQ now, so I got bored withing 20 minutes (15 of which I played with graphic settings) and disabled it. But there are several flaws that need to be addressed:
1. Using rendered icons for turrets is a bad idea. They are hard to distinguish in inventory, barely seen near your target icon in space. Better return old stylized icons or draw new matching the new appearance of the turrets. 2. We need a third state between "In space" and "In CQ". That is "In dock, boarded". When you dock you should appear in old good dock from where you can ether undock right away or disembark and enter CQ. There are several reasons for it: - People often dock just to quickly refit or take/drop cargo and immediately undock, all within 30 sec session change timer. CQ makes this difficult, because it takes very long time to load compared to 30 seconds. You actually can access you inventory or fitting while CQ are still loading, but it is difficult to do anything, since everything lags, doesn't respond well, freezes for few seconds until CQ are fully loaded. - Station is where people often go AFK or alt-tab to do something else. CQ are too "heavy" for you hardware compared to old dock, and hinder doing other resource-intensive tasks like watching video clips or playing World of Tanks. Add additional power consumption... - I personally play 3 characters at the same time. When all of them are in dock, it is difficult to do inventory or productions task, since UI becomes less responsive. Really, under heavy load UI is hard to use - sometimes wrong menu item is clicked (previous one, where cursor was 0.2 seconds before I clicked), items sometimes ignore drag&drop or shift key, etc. - From roleplaying point of view, you don't always leave your ship when docked, especially if you came just to take your cargo an leave.
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Coerl O'Marn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Coerl O''Marn on 24/06/2011 08:56:00 I'd liked the Idea of Incarna, but what i get dosnt make me happy. Also in additon to the MT Pdf from evenews24 i canceld my subscripten on 4 accouts, even with incaran i am not longer able to use more than 2 accounts at at time.
Btw i would like to have more remakes vor my avatars, couse they all looks very nice in the charcreator but ingame most of them are so ugly... so i want to change them and test them ingame before i make a final decition to keep the look.
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Thermoss Devlin
Minmatar StarFleet Enterprises BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 08:57:00 -
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I only hope that I won't be forced to quit EVE becuase the direction CCP is heading with the NEX store makes me worried.
Also CQ must be optional, if they don't listen to this 34 pages of complaints they are not worthy of our continueing support.
That's at least my point of view. As stated above, there are many reasons for fixing this. So CCP, open your godamn eyes and log on to the forums and read the real feedback. ------------- Hailgrains (?) hit, cut in crops! If one is to die, Another one is born. |
Scitor Nantom
Minmatar AfterMath. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:20:00 -
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Since Beta, I've been waiting for this. I always thought Eve needed this. The effects and design are awesome. I love seeing the Quafe bottles and the ammunition drums sitting around in the apartment.
That mirror is the best mirror I've ever seen in a computer game, heh.
Please roll out the other CQ designs soon (Thanks for doing Minmitar first ,hehe) and open those stations up. I can't wait to get involved with in-station activities. Getting some ******* to cough up a lost bet will be fun. _______________________________________
For the Republic, For the Minmatar
http://eve.tilt180.com
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Random Lee
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:27:00 -
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My Feedback:
I need to express the frustration I am feeling towards the game at the moment because of the total lack of disregard for the majority of eve players with the deployment of Incarna, namely the Captains Quarters.
I currently subscribe with 6 accounts and I usually have 5 accounts logged on at any one time. Due to this enforced change to the game, I cannot play the game how I have played it for the past 3 years.
I do not have the financial resources to have multiple computers for my multiple accounts so I will have to reduce my accounts, which means changing how I play the game and that is where the frustration kicks in. Why would I reduce to 1 or 2 accounts when I may as well just stop playing?
I don't want to get worked up but every time I log in to the game all I am doing is staring at a static picture of a door, when only a short while ago I was able to see the ship that I was flying and interact with it in a meaningful way.
All I want is to be able to see my ship in it's hangar and interact with the ship while I am docked, is that really too much to ask?
I am willing to wait for CCP to revert to the original hangar option, I will give it another week, if nothing is done to address the issues of so many players, I will have to stop playing because I play to have fun, not to be irritated by such a grossly flagrant disregard for the people that want to play eve.
Starting the timer...
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Lunce
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:40:00 -
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I have an Idea to use the existing CQ hanger view that should please most EVE players.
Simply put, add another function to the hanger 'tree' and call it 'Camera View'. Next, scale the ships in the hanger so that, for example, a shuttle is tiny and far away (as it should be.) Now, when you choose 'Camera View' you suddenly can zoom in and rotate around the ship similar to the old ship spinning we all know and love.
If you like this idea, copy and +1 it to draw CCPs attention to it (Just an idea.)
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Callidus Dux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lunce I have an Idea to use the existing CQ hanger view that should please most EVE players.
Simply put, add another function to the hanger 'tree' and call it 'Camera View'. Next, scale the ships in the hanger so that, for example, a shuttle is tiny and far away (as it should be.) Now, when you choose 'Camera View' you suddenly can zoom in and rotate around the ship similar to the old ship spinning we all know and love.
If you like this idea, copy and +1 it to draw CCPs attention to it (Just an idea.)
Not the best idea I think. The main problem with CQ is the lag and the loading time. They should NOT implement more features like a camera. They should seperate CQ and the old effective hangar view. If I have to wait 2 Minutes (or how long ever) instead of a quick loading and boarding ships in the old hangar view, I think most of the people would not be helped with such a option. I think the people do not have something against CQ in generally.. the hate the lack of useful things and the loading time. The delition of the old hagar view is only the last drop. I saw an video where a Dev docked (right click) -> leave ship (right click) -> leave Pod. This is the way CQ should be entered. One guy in this threat says it right. CCP shows many people, who do not want to use CQ "the door". Should we leave Eve? I think not.. but with all the denial of any statements it looks so. Very sad situation.
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Jubal Solerio
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:08:00 -
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Ran CQ for a while now its turned off more of a meh effect than a wow effect. And I'm doubtful it will be turned on again as it adds nothing to the way I play EVE but holds up station turnaround time as it takes to long to load. I'll add my vote to the return of the hangar view. As for the "vanity" products well buy 'em if you want 'em I give enough money to CCP already (though maybe I'd pay for a shiny gold skin for my Hyperion) but it adds nothing to my idea of immersion in a space game, more detailed ships, flight controls, more intelligent npc AI in missions would draw me in more.
Not a totally bad expansion I like the new turrets & when they don't glitch off the effects, but CCP far far from good.
Remember its a space game CCP not some wannabe 3D social networking Second Life type guff
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Adrian Stair
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Callidus Dux CCP shows many people, who do not want to use CQ "the door". Should we leave Eve? I think not.. but with all the denial of any statements it looks so. Very sad situation.
As a fairly new player, I'm quite surprised by the lack of response from CCP, the reactions and opinions are and were many before and after the deployment. All the feedback that we get is a client update now and then.
It would be a great read, a news article that answers some of what is said, an analysis of the feedback and what they plan to do next.
Like many others, tried 4x instances of eve yesterday. Hopeless. But most important; I'll repeat you:
Originally by: Callidus Dux CCP shows many people, who do not want to use CQ "the door"
If they give us back the old camera view instead of the alternative that is now (background image and the old meny), I believe thousands of us would be satisfied and continue on like before, doing space thing, not stuff that happens with velocity less than 1m/s.
An argument in the other direction again, the idea of being able to walk around on the different stations sounded for me like quite an experience, materializing a lot of what is just numbers and icons. That CQ is part I of this, and that there is more to come? Ok. But for comparison; when I first opened Office 2007, I really wanted my 2003 menus back. It would be even easier to give us the option to spin our vessels at a station. Perfect thing to do when on a phone or waiting for answers in corp chat.
I've never been good at structuring my sayings, sorry for that.
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Adrian Stair
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Adrian Stair on 24/06/2011 10:29:49
Originally by: Jubal Solerio
Remember its a space game CCP not some wannabe 3D social networking Second Life type guff
Hah, I just said that to my friend the other day, if we want to see a customized avatar walking around with no interaction whatsoever, we'd play "Perfect world" or alike. To sink this low, with those clothes worth battleships, it is so laughable.
Somehow I believe we'll still see some nicely dressed characters, soon. Oh! No, we won't, noone else can see us but ourselves. Bummer!
Originally by: Jubal Solerio
though maybe I'd pay for a shiny gold skin for my Hyperion
Hmm... wouldn't you easily be taken for an Amarr that way? But I agree, customizing the vessels are of far greater value than clothings. Think of the market possibilities! $$-) In guild wars there are colour vials that goes for a lot of money because of this.
When that is said, when sending drones from a 75km distance, I guess the enemy will never "enjoy" the taunting remark on my wing... perhaps drone painting should be an idea too! :P
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Lucius Voltar
Gallente The ArchAngel Vanguard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:35:00 -
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I have an issue, but its not a bug so I'm putting it here in feedback rather than the issues thread. CQ, for those that like it, or will like it when its further developed, that want it online, probably don't want to enter the station environment every time they dock in pvp, mining or doing missions. and mores to the point how many people have alts in eve, Just like the graphics settings, CQ options effect every client on your computer.
So If I want my main character in high graphics and to be in the CQ, Every other character I or anyone else has, has to too, (or keep changing it every time we log in) So mining alts, hauler alts, mission alts, cyno alts etc etc all have to put up with our mains settings every time they log in, its an issue thats been around a while and now is worse than ever, please sort it out and have personalised preferences per account/pilot not per computer. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell.
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Krell Sharenzhe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 10:49:00 -
[1014]
I have to say that originally I was quite looking forward to Incarna when I first heard about it many moons ago, but now having experienced it am horribly disappointed with the implementation and very much hope that the Dev team are looking at all the comments being made and will act on them sensibly. Here is my take on what needs to be done.
1. Docking a ship should be what it always was and take us to the hanger view where we can refit, change ship, and do all the other things we used to do (including gratuitous ship spinning) in a low lag environment.
2. Leaving the ship and entering the station should be a button in the hanger view. Giving you the option to go to your quarters and then as Incarna is expanded in time to other areas of the station. This makes it optional and forces no one to do anything they dont like doing.
3. The Noble Store. This one actually makes me quite angry, how CCP can seriously expect people to pay more for cyber clothes than I would for real ones is totally beyond me and the introduction of a new currency designed to get people to buy plexs (which of course can be with real money) just proves that CCP are in the money milking business. So here is my fix, get rid of the new currency and allow players to buy their smart new clothes on the market with ISK, it then becomes a player driven economy like everything else and will add depth to the game. Not much depth though I personally don't play with Barbie Dolls.
4. Turrets, on the whole they look great but the in space active icons are really difficult to see and I now struggle to tell which modules I have active on which ships.
5. Lastly 34 pages of pretty much negative comment and no replies from CCP get your collective heads out of the sand guys and post a reply. I know you are probably reeling from the level of discontent about this upgrade but you really need to let us know you are on the case.
6. And I've probably missed a few other valid things other people have said.
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Freelancer117
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:22:00 -
[1015]
Nice patching CCP thx
2 remarks:
- the gun icon next to a targeted ship icon in the HUD is very faded, you can hardly see if the guns are active that way
- the hurricane info tab still doesnt mention the bonuses is for medium projectile weapons only
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:35:00 -
[1016]
3 days since the patch. 34 pages of mostly bad feedback and still no official acknowledgement of the problems a lot are having or any dialogue as to what's being done about it. Either
A) CCP don't care.
B) CCP do care and it's all hands on deck while they try and come up with a solution and are just to busy to speak to us.
C) It's the first part of B but they're still playing rock, scissor, stone to determine who's going to come here and speak to us.
As it happens I was likely to be building a replacement custom rig for the laptop I currently use in EVE, I did know that CQ was likely to need a higher spec to run it. But as people with better than the recommend spec machines are having trouble I need to know what's being done to fix it or if those recommended specs are actually going to increase before I build.
I've calmed down a little now. CQ is turned off, bugs are being addressed slowly with the couple of minor fixes we've had. I've got used to using the fitting screen to see my ship. But it's lack of communication and acknowledgement of what is clearly a major problem is what I'm more upset about.
Come in CCP. We need to know what's happening.
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Resender
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:38:00 -
[1017]
I'm hoping B, I have been largely unaffected but still going to put some maintenance work on my machine to see I can run it smoother.
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Unforgiven Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:46:00 -
[1018]
2 words resume this release
Epic Fail
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:56:00 -
[1019]
They've got people free to delete posts off of threads that ask what the hell is going on... but not to actually answer any pertinant questions. But, hell, greed is good, right?
The space MMO they call "Eve", Was nerfed like you wouldn't believe, The CQ is broke, And the NEX is a joke, So some players decided to leave.
Sorry, bored waiting for a response from CCP. CQ = BS |
Ines Fy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:14:00 -
[1020]
First we had the heavens nerf, since then ratting in 0.0 became a nightmare, people stop logging and we eventually were forced to return to high sec to make money doing L4 missions tying to save the corp from a slow dead... yes we are carebears!
consequences: one more corp out of 0.0, 32 members return to high sec. Also most of us had alt accounts to help with the ratting, logistics and cynos, but in high sec you don't need them so me and at least 7 others freeze our alt accounts to save money.
Now this crap, my cpu/gpu goes 100% and I have a quad core/radeon 5800 HD series!!!! So, with vacations right at the door, high sec becoming boring every day, isk income sucking compare with we did in 0.0 and now this crap, the decision was easy to make....
consequences: at least 6 of us will freeze the main accounts for the summer, we are going to play HON and WOT and we will back in October, IF this crap has been fixed by then!
Wake up CCP.
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Neuro Toxin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:17:00 -
[1021]
over all rating : SUCKS
FIX THE GAME FIRST. then go back and make it warm and fuzzy.
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Eranicus II
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:19:00 -
[1022]
Dear CCP the idea of Incarna and walking in stations is pretty cool, but not as just CQ you should have waited and released everything in same time. The main problems in my opinion are the following:
1. It seems like you forgot that people are paying you money for spaceships game and not for space "sims". You need to develop content for both divisions, but for example put 30% of your resources for Incarna content and 70%! for spaceships.
2. It looks like your company resources are focused on 3 projects at the moment: EVE, DUST and WOD (world of darkness)
2.1. DUST has a very interesting idea and will help your company alot profit wise.
2.2. As for WOD you really need to STOP wasting your money and human resources on it, simply because you cant compete with fantasy MMORPG industry giants and you will get absolute fail with it. The fantasy MMORPG market is already taken.
2.3. You need to put MORE resources on EVE development because this is the game where you are number one !
By the way if the next expansion ( or even 2 expansions ) will be fully focused on walking in stations = you will loose subscribers, because majority of people are here because of the spaceships.
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Callidus Dux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:35:00 -
[1023]
Edited by: Callidus Dux on 24/06/2011 12:37:56 Erm... CCP: have an eye on your reputation:
(english) http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/ (german) http://www.golem.de/1106/84384.html
quote engl.: In a bizarre twist, many of the clothing options for sale at the Noble Exchange actually cost more than real clothes of the same type. [...] CCP could not provide any more information on the issue, but we expect an issue this hot will prompt an announcement.
quote de: Das islSndische Entwicklerstudio CCP l÷st mit dem jnngsten Update namens Incarna 1.0 VerSrgerung in der Community von Eve Online aus. [...]
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Zhou Tong
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Posted - 2011.06.24 12:37:00 -
[1024]
What a huge waste of developer time. I have never before played a game where new content was, rather than being a treat, a huge annoyance. Until now. Congratulations.
Keywords: Crude, Clumsy, Forced, Awkward, Useless, Poorly Executed, Feature Negative |
Karok Mohegan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:01:00 -
[1025]
Edited by: Karok Mohegan on 24/06/2011 13:02:29 I'm sure this has been said before, but I wanted to ensure my vote was counted as well. The prices of items in the Noble Exchange are absurd. It takes 4 plex to get enough points to buy the monocle, or 53 USD. Fifty-Three Dollars, for an item that I assume will only be available for one character on one account. That is completely unacceptable to me, and I will not even consider purchasing any of these items until the price drops to approximately 1/10 what the current value is. These items should cost no more than 2 to 3 USD for most things, perhaps up to 7 USD for a 'rare' item available from the store.
The captain's quarters looks good. I would like it if I could customize the content of the three screens somehow, it just doesn't seem very useful to me to have the corp menu as a permanent fixture, since I won't be changing corps with any frequency. The increased station loading time is frustrating, but not entirely unacceptable.
I don't like the front end of the new maller. Amarr ships should be smooth across the exterior facing, not tiered like that. It just doesn't seem to follow the Amarr design scheme.
-Karok
edit: changed numbers for cost of items.
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Zarlis
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:37:00 -
[1026]
I looked in my can of weapons this afternoon and you have changed from icons to what appears to be actual pictures of the guns. You used to be able to tell at a glance what the gun was but now they are just pile of grey blobs. I'm sure they looked great blown up on a screen when they were designed but in game where they are so small they loose all definition.
Chlorine, coming to the space pool near you. Get your goggles at the Aurum store. Greed is good.pdf |
Crime Zero
Mega Builders
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:24:00 -
[1027]
I love EVE. I've been playing for many years and have loved every minute. To me EVE is a deeply immersive game universe like no other. For me EVE is all about the ships and the gameplay.
My feedback...
Whole CQ experience feels very sluggish. It takes ages to load which is a complete turn off. FPS is pitifully low. Have I docked in the 1990's ??? I have games 10 years old looking better than this! Incarna adds nothing but frustration to gameplay. CQ doesn't live up to the hype at all.
Why force this feature on us? You introduced Exploration / Wormholes / T3 / Incursions / Factional Warfare over the years. People could dip in, decide which features they liked and adjust their playstyle to suit. With Incarna, we are *forced* to create avatars which have no bearing on the game. We are *forced* to dock into a lame CQ interface that slows down everything and grinds gameplay to a crawl. It takes ages to load and adds NOTHING to gameplay. Docking is something people do ... A LOT! CQ should have been polished to such a high level because let's face it - people spend a lot of time docked, either trading, fitting, industry, PI, re-loading. It feels like we're being used as lab rats to debug CQ at the expense of our gaming experience!
I actually feel bad for all the dev's who have put a lot of effort into getting Incarna onto TQ and are getting such bad feedback on this forum. I'm sure I wouldn't like it if I was getting slated for work I had done. But the truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow and the feedback in this thread is saying loud and clear that for many people this patch is not just bad - it's game breaking.
CCP - I have no interest in avatars-in-space. If that's the route you plan on taking with EVE then fine, but let it be an optional extra - a button on the neocom/station services - something that doesn't get in the way of EVE.
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KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:28:00 -
[1028]
CCP, please, WAKE UP! You are killing the best game ever, and very fast.
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Beck Thomson
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:33:00 -
[1029]
Please CCP, allow us to select the old hanger, the CQ takes forever to load, has poor FPS, etc. The first day it came out, I unchecked "Load Station Environment", CQ was just not playable.
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Callean Drevus
Caldari Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2011.06.24 14:34:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: Radro Edited by: Radro on 24/06/2011 08:46:38 Edited by: Radro on 24/06/2011 08:44:32 New turrets and CQ looks cool. I'm looking forward when I can walk in stations. Too bad that there is actually nothing to do in CQ now, so I got bored withing 20 minutes (15 of which I played with graphic settings) and disabled it. But there are several flaws that need to be addressed:
1. Using rendered icons for turrets is a bad idea. They are hard to distinguish in inventory, barely seen near your target icon in space. Better return old stylized icons or draw new matching the new appearance of the turrets. 2. We need a third state between "In space" and "In CQ". That is "In dock, boarded". When you dock you should appear in old good dock from where you can ether undock right away or disembark and enter CQ. There are several reasons for it: - People often dock just to quickly refit or take/drop cargo and immediately undock, all within 30 sec session change timer. CQ makes this difficult, because it takes very long time to load compared to 30 seconds. You actually can access you inventory or fitting while CQ are still loading, but it is difficult to do anything, since everything lags, doesn't respond well, freezes for few seconds until CQ are fully loaded. - Station is where people often go AFK or alt-tab to do something else. CQ are too "heavy" for you hardware compared to old dock, and hinder doing other resource-intensive tasks like watching video clips or playing World of Tanks. Add additional power consumption... - I personally play 3 characters at the same time. When all of them are in dock, it is difficult to do inventory or productions task, since UI becomes less responsive. Really, under heavy load UI is hard to use - sometimes wrong menu item is clicked (previous one, where cursor was 0.2 seconds before I clicked), items sometimes ignore drag&drop or shift key, etc. - From roleplaying point of view, you don't always leave your ship when docked, especially if you came just to take your cargo an leave.
This! "A fool flatters himself, a wise man flatters the fool." |
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Carli Zandrya
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:24:00 -
[1031]
I happen to like Incarna, but I'm not hard to please. I know change is hard for some, but remember this is a stepping stone to a greater vision for EvE.
CQ: 1) The lighting is still horrible. If facial features can't be lit up correctly (i.e. glowing eyelids and nostrils) then perhaps an option to adjust the lighting will help (like character pose lighting). 2) Love the screens! One could spend quite some time just watching the big main screen. Very immersive, although some customization would prove useful. The agent and corp finders are great. The Carbon UI needs better responsiveness. ** On a side note, placing station service buttons on the balcony UI (and/or screens) might be a good idea. 3) My guys really need a power-nap. Please make the bed/cot thing available for use! 4) Don't spin the camera when a character sits down on the couch. Vertigo! 5) If I want to see my avatar after docking I'd rather see a face, not the back of a head. 6) Better camera controls (more zoom options). 7) Windows! Having the same CQ pop up no matter where your at feels like groundhog day. At least Windows would remind us we aren't in Kansas any more.
Gun Turrets: Looks really good overall. Salvaging in a Noctis has never been cooler. 1) Blue mining beams? Meh.. Miners love the gold! 2) Missile bays have been forsaken. Missile bay animation would be great eye candy. For that matter so would probes and drone bays.
Misc: - Thank you for restoring the yellow HUD CAP! - Rethink the apparel and Noble price thing. Hard. Clothing for the cost of 2 t3 ships will never work. The plausibility curve can't go down fast enough.
Overall, nice work. Looking forward to the tweeks and updates.
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Wun NgoWen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:24:00 -
[1032]
CQ was fun for a few minutes, then I turned it off
docking and undocking time is precious and I hate Sims
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Rangoa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:26:00 -
[1033]
good work ccp :( the incarna upadate is a big flop and my stupid tengu flies backward nice work -.-
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Gallay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:47:00 -
[1034]
Thx CPP now i cant play EVE my laptop cant tun this FAIL and i cant turn off this ****y station cage. MB send me $ for buying new PC?
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:53:00 -
[1035]
Originally by: KamikazeBrAzIl CCP, please, WAKE UP! You are killing the best game ever, and very fast.
+1
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Lii Dark
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:00:00 -
[1036]
I love the new lasers, the gun animations and so.. Thank you ccp for that..
but ....
The module icons are worse, too smooth, too dark... screen design is not so good...
And to force me to be in a room if i am docked and not see my spaceship isn't a good game design idea.
I hope the nex, aurum etc. will be removed in the next patch ..
ccp please return to your old pathes of game design..
I look confidently to the next patch.
P.S.: sorry for my bad english
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Callidus Dux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:31:00 -
[1037]
CCP has other thinks to do. They must extinguish a massive PR fire. :-/
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=1
153 pages and growing.
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Janith Arakz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:41:00 -
[1038]
Edited by: Janith Arakz on 24/06/2011 16:41:27
Originally by: Rangoa good work ccp :( the incarna upadate is a big flop and my stupid tengu flies backward nice work -.-
You simply need to clear you cache files in game to resolve that problem, this will include a client restart.
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GaiusAlexander
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:43:00 -
[1039]
The turrets and and lasers are cool.
No problem running CQ on multi clients with 4 year old dual core PC and a $80 video card.
It got old after 5 minutes though and I found myself looking for Mass Effect 2. THAT'S how WIS should look and work ... unfortunately I didn't reinstall in when I bought the 1.5 TB HD. Where the hell is the disk anyway? Anyway I digress...
Client froze during a mission battle and ... then ... began ... to ... respond ... slowly. Cost me a drake. That kinda sucked. Don't know if it was the game or the above mentioned 4 year old PC's fault.
Looking forward to see what is coming up on new releases. Really like to see missile turrets instead of magically appearing from middle of ship.
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Angua Delphine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:59:00 -
[1040]
I love it. Honestly I really do. I can see so much potential it will add to the game.
But you want feedback (Let's be clear, this is feedback not whining), so after spending a couple of days playing, here are my thoughts.
Docking. As everyone else has said. When you dock, it has to be to the old ship hanger. It has everything you need for a fast turnaround. If you want to CQ, you should specifically action it. Sufficient reasons have been given already.
Lighting. I'm super hot (in my eyes anyway). Yet due to the lighting, I'm only hot whilst stood on the balcony. The rest of the time I look like a wax dummy. Please review the lighting.
Graphics card settings. I consider myself extremely lucky that I can now use CQ at 30-50 fps. This is only because I've spent untold hours tweaking and adjusting every setting under the sun (thanks to all those who mentioned V-sync). Before I started down this route, I struggled to get 15fps (and I had a limp). I agree with others who suggest separate graphics settings for space and CQ.
General movement. Please go play some proper fps games to see how to control movement. There seems to be some work required here. When I try to sit down, I can bring up the menu, but it doesn't work until I am stood an undefined (but close) distance from the couch. If I can bring up the menu at a distance, then pressing Sit should take me there and perform the action in one. Why do I have the option to stand when I am stood already? Please filter to permissible actions only.
Agent finder. Nice. However, when I resize the Agent finder window. It doesn't change the number of matching agents visible. I get six matches. They just space themselves out. Please don't space them, try to fit as many agents on as possible. The next and previous page buttons are too small, obscure and not obviously action buttons. Please enlarge and emphasize accordingly. This also applies to the filter options button. Why have the agent level filter visible all the time whilst the other filters are hidden. Are the other filters of less importance? I'm not sure I understand your reasoning on this.
The TV. I really like this. But make it bigger. Give me a remote control. Let me create a channel list. It's the most important item in my quarters. Give me a channel to see outside station; to see outside other stations. I don't mind a monthly isk charge for this. But keep the prices sensible.
NEX. Everyone has already commented on the prices, so you don't need to hear it again. Although the rates do suit me. They ensure I will never spend real money buying vanity items. I know you've said it will never sell "I win Eve" items. Please keep this promise.
The new icons. I cannot tell what they are any more. My salvager icon appears as a small grey blob on what was the large grey background of space. Luckily my codebreaker still looks like a droid with a mohican. It just proves the old ones were better.
Capacitor and associated buttons. I know this isn't Incarna specific, but please take away all their transparency. If I am sat in a dust cloud that is lit by the sun, they are unreadable.
Finally. When I exit and enter my pod, am I naked on a metal grate gantry at the edge of my hanger? It's a bit voyeuristic considering "I'm a Lady you know." (Little Britain fans rejoice). Could I have my pod in another room, if only to protect my modesty.
I hope you take this feedback as positive. It is meant to be positive. I believe the direction you are taking has a great future.
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GaiusAlexander
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:09:00 -
[1041]
Everyone who is quitting EVE, please remember to give you ISK away. Just tell everyone in local you will give then 10,000,000 ISK for every 1,000,000 ISK they give you...
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Manc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:29:00 -
[1042]
On a 27'' iMac
Performance with 2 windowed clients in CQ is terrible, partly CCPs fault, partly my Macs fault.
My biggest issues:
-Walking in a Room Alone online is hardly immersive, especially when there is only one race of captains quarters in the whole universe, no matter what station you dock at.
Why did you even bother introducing it if it's still crap? Only one race? No racial variations?
I'd rather wait longer and have it introduced in it's entirety.
I walked around for two minutes... and then switched it off.
Now I'm greeted by:
-The same view of the same uninteresting Minmatar door that appears to be installed in every station in the known universe.
What? Why can't I just have my old hangar and then choose to walk about when I feel like it (which I don't think I ever will) You can't be serious about this stupid door... Don't you see how stupid it is?
NEX
-WHAT -WHAT -WHAT -WHAT -4 PLEXES FOR A VIRTUAL MONOCLE? -WHAT -WHAT
I'd rather buy a REAL monocle, a really expensive dinner for my wife, a new pair of shoes (good ones), a new graphics card or some lingerie... for myself.
It's not an ISK issue... even thought I really can't see why the hell a pair of boots should cost more than a Commandship, it's that CCP, one way or another, gets 4 PLEXes worth of cash from a virtual item. This just seems like a complete money grab and a move in the totally wrong direction.
Fix core gameplay issues...
Have you seen what a joke the bounty system is? Why are POSes still such a joke to look at? I mean, the list is too long to whine about.
They're not "thelittlethings" anymore, they're the big things that people just put up with and forget about momentarily when you introduce new features.
This game is going down hill... It's definitely not dying... all the new things you promise keep the fanbois drooling, but it's definitely becoming a game that I care less and less about.
Let's hope that you catch a wake-up soon enough to save the space-ships and not let it turn into a mush of superficial features, empty promises, unfulfilling gameplay and the Sims.
Regards
Manc A fan losing faith.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:57:00 -
[1043]
Edited by: Leocadminone on 24/06/2011 18:13:50 Lag in Incursions when trying to gate jump got insane, due to the removal of the ability to NOT have to download portraits, and the massively fancier portraits.
Now lag in Incarna has gotten TOTALLY insane when trying to gate jump - I've seen a lot of instances where I'll finally get into the new system and I'll be 1 MILLION KM away from the gate in the new system, or be in the middle of the "you went LD" warp once I finally get to see anything in the new system.
Additionally, lag in station, lag UNDOCKING from station, and lag DOCKING to station have all gone through the roof, even with "load station environment" turned OFF.
Why are y'all constantly bragging about your efforts to reduce lag when the actual amount of lag keeps massively INCREASING?
As of right now, it's looking like Incarna is going to be even MORE of a waste than I thought it was going to be, and even more of a "worse than worthless" piece of crap than Incursions was.
I STILL want the ability to turn portraits off COMPLETELY.
New tutorial - suckage. No "turn it off" option and it IGNORES the ESC setup menu box that is SUPPOSED to control tutorials. I HATE wasting over a half hour to do this damned worthless thing that teaches me NOTHING about Eve after having played the game for years.
WHERE IS THE OPTOUT?
The whole move towards microtransactions. If it's for vanity stuff that doesn't affect gameplay, no biggie. If it's for stuff you can get via the market or contracts, no big deal - just a different way of doing the "buy plex, sell for in-game ISK and by fancy stuff" method. If it has a noticeable effect on PLEX pricing, BIG DEAL. a lof ot us can only afford to play Eve at all because of the PLEX option, and PLEX have been getting mighty expensive of late ALREADY. PLEX shouldn't be how to buy AUR, you should have AUR be buyable direcly for IRL cash if you're gonna do that stuff.
If AUR ever buys stuff that is unique, not buyable any other way, and HAS EFFECT ON THE GAME that can't be duplicated by ISK-buyable items, you will KILL EVE.
As a general rule, "move to a microtransatcion model" is seen by most MMORG players as a "this game is dying and getting desperate for any income it can come up with" move. See D&D Online for a prime example.
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Daftny Litchinova
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:38:00 -
[1044]
Originally by: Hoshi Please return the ability to switch ships by dragging them from the hangar to the main view.
I second this.
Everything else is perfect
ho and you can bet I will keep my pants for as long as they will stay in one virtual piece; paying cash for something I think should be free?
NOT
This is the first step of loosing players : creating 2 class. You can be sure I will NEVER get into this
*If you like my sig and want one, PM with a brief description of what you would like! |
Vol Arm'OOO
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:40:00 -
[1045]
I know this will probably get lost in the thread and never seen by anyone -- but IMO I think that CCP should not be selling finished products in the market at all. Rather, ccp should only sell bpc. The more aur you spend the more runs on the bpc you get. The player who buys the bpc then has to go into the game and acquire the materials necessary to make the items through mining or pi or from mission drops. For instance, clothing would require textiles from pi and some minerals from mining (for belt buckles etc). In this way, CCP actually enhances the game play by promoting the economy.
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Daftny Litchinova
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:45:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: Zarlis I looked in my can of weapons this afternoon and you have changed from icons to what appears to be actual pictures of the guns. You used to be able to tell at a glance what the gun was but now they are just pile of grey blobs. I'm sure they looked great blown up on a screen when they were designed but in game where they are so small they loose all definition.
I agree on that one. Icon should be recognisable easily, you can update them, not making them a "picture" in space, its even worst.
come with new redesigned icon. this would be nice.
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Bobbith
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:46:00 -
[1047]
okay
CQ - my general feeling is "meh" but future aditions will make it "wow", needs an independant graphics scale so those of us with not so hot machines can still play spaceships on high and have cq set on medium to get it running smoothish, the option to disable it needs to stay though to make it easy for those of us dual screening on older hardware.
Turrets - ****ing awsome, same goes for the change to sentry drones, didnt even notice the sentry change untill i did a mission in my navy geddon and saw the blue beams coming off the curators.
Maller hull - looks nice! but at the rate you are revamping hulls its going to take you about 30 years to do them all.
MT store - nothing wrong here if it stays with vanity items and the items are also tradable for isk, news letter indicates not though, and that is pure bull****.
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Daftny Litchinova
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 18:57:00 -
[1048]
Originally by: Crime Zero I love EVE. I've been playing for many years and have loved every minute. To me EVE is a deeply immersive game universe like no other. For me EVE is all about the ships and the gameplay.
My feedback...
Whole CQ experience feels very sluggish. It takes ages to load which is a complete turn off. FPS is pitifully low. Have I docked in the 1990's ??? I have games 10 years old looking better than this! Incarna adds nothing but frustration to gameplay. CQ doesn't live up to the hype at all.
Why force this feature on us? You introduced Exploration / Wormholes / T3 / Incursions / Factional Warfare over the years. People could dip in, decide which features they liked and adjust their playstyle to suit. With Incarna, we are *forced* to create avatars which have no bearing on the game. We are *forced* to dock into a lame CQ interface that slows down everything and grinds gameplay to a crawl. It takes ages to load and adds NOTHING to gameplay. Docking is something people do ... A LOT! CQ should have been polished to such a high level because let's face it - people spend a lot of time docked, either trading, fitting, industry, PI, re-loading. It feels like we're being used as lab rats to debug CQ at the expense of our gaming experience!
I actually feel bad for all the dev's who have put a lot of effort into getting Incarna onto TQ and are getting such bad feedback on this forum. I'm sure I wouldn't like it if I was getting slated for work I had done. But the truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow and the feedback in this thread is saying loud and clear that for many people this patch is not just bad - it's game breaking.
CCP - I have no interest in avatars-in-space. If that's the route you plan on taking with EVE then fine, but let it be an optional extra - a button on the neocom/station services - something that doesn't get in the way of EVE.
CQ loads well for me and doesn't interfere, the loading is a little bit longer, but it doesn't get to a point where I get angry at it. the expansion looks well polished to me and the frame rate is good. Maybe your machine is getting old? I applause CCP for getting better graphics in the game and hope it will continue at a good pace, cause we are in 2011 and many games shows incredible graphics. CCP must keep this game up to date, like it or not. Walking in station was a natural move, and I just can't wait to interact with other pilots docked in my station. many new features will come out of this. I see it as a good thing.
The only dark side I see? Nex thing available to people to pay real money for fashion stuff? fail
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Pazil
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:17:00 -
[1049]
I want my hanger back so I can change ships with ease and actually see what I am flying without having to walk or turn around.
Screw walking, this is a space ship game.
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Vol Arm'OOO
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:04:00 -
[1050]
Edited by: Vol Arm''OOO on 24/06/2011 20:08:06
Originally by: Daftny Litchinova
Originally by: Zarlis I looked in my can of weapons this afternoon and you have changed from icons to what appears to be actual pictures of the guns. You used to be able to tell at a glance what the gun was but now they are just pile of grey blobs. I'm sure they looked great blown up on a screen when they were designed but in game where they are so small they loose all definition.
I agree on that one. Icon should be recognisable easily, you can update them, not making them a "picture" in space, its even worst.
come with new redesigned icon. this would be nice.
The "best" part about this change is that some of the icons are the same color as the background -- so when you look they dispear and you cant tell that you have any fitted at all.
oh and imo the new colors for the laser graphics are cheesy -- pink and purple -- like a laser show at the planetarium
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Mark Starkiller
Caldari Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:23:00 -
[1051]
I play eve from may 2004. Lately i somehow lost interest and i was not so often logged in, like i was before....
I didnt read any threads in this topic, just wanted to tip hat to ccp for this expansion. I like eve again :))))
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Harpalyce Dynameos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:46:00 -
[1052]
Edited by: Harpalyce Dynameos on 24/06/2011 21:06:25 Edited by: Harpalyce Dynameos on 24/06/2011 20:57:04 CQ? Neat, 1 step closer to actually remembering there's a human in my internet spaceships That there's only 1 CQ? Well um time constraints... it's uh... cool... I guess... yeah... Complaints of loading times? I'm not seeing it, CQ runs and loads flawlessly on my machine, with no discernible difference in load time, you get a +1 internets CCP
New ship designs? Cool, always like new looks to my internet spaceships That there's only 1 new ship design? Well um time constraints... it's uh... cool... I guess... yeah...
New turrets and animations? Well hot damn, now that's cool! And I'm loving it! But wasn't this expansion all about CQ... um... CCP you should have named this expansion EVE: Pews With Looks to Kill Complaints that they're different and hard to tell from a glance? HTFU, it just takes practice.
MT? Yeah...I don't even think I'm allowed to talk to you anymore CCP... You do realize I could buy a brand new fully released game, in a box, from an actual store, that actually is polished... FOR THE SAME PRICE AS YOUR VANITY ITEMS?! -1 gazillion internets :(
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Austin Fleck
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:01:00 -
[1053]
Help me, I have ears sticking out of my neck. Horrific, I can't play and look at my mutated man.
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Croniac
Merlin Reach
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[1054]
Here is how you might reduce the rage, and keep the AUR... Please read on.
The failure point was connecting the value to PLEX which most of your users regard as a direct link to real world cash.
You could fix (or could have avoided) this mess by connecting the value of AUR to ISK.
By making ISK convertable to AUR, you avoid the direct correlation to real world cash. However, in the background a player with real world cash can still buy a PLEX, sell it for ISK and make AUR.
Your current needs would have been met, and I don't think the players would have found it as offensive, because we all know that PLEX already allows you to make an ISK injection.
Connnecting the value direct to PLEX however says to the player base "give us more money". Connecting it to ISK makes it a regular in game item that is available to the super rich... Much like a Dread (which is the price point many threads keep referencing).
Hope that helps! Hope you find a way out of this little mess you've created, because I love the game and would hate to see it fail on something rather insignificant.
Take care.
Croniac
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zoni Ishikela
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:33:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: GaiusAlexander The turrets and and lasers are cool.
No problem running CQ on multi clients with 4 year old dual core PC and a $80 video card.
It got old after 5 minutes though and I found myself looking for Mass Effect 2. THAT'S how WIS should look and work ... unfortunately I didn't reinstall in when I bought the 1.5 TB HD. Where the hell is the disk anyway? Anyway I digress...
Client froze during a mission battle and ... then ... began ... to ... respond ... slowly. Cost me a drake. That kinda sucked. Don't know if it was the game or the above mentioned 4 year old PC's fault.
Looking forward to see what is coming up on new releases. Really like to see missile turrets instead of magically appearing from middle of ship.
+1 for ME2 look
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Triton Taoxr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1056]
Anyone quitting over this, would you please contract me all your stuffz and send me all your isk plz, k, thnx
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:01:00 -
[1057]
Originally by: Triton Taoxr Anyone quitting over this, would you please contract me all your stuffz and send me all your isk plz, k, thnx
No, because you're an asshat and you lose as a result. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
jaguda1
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 -
[1058]
Edited by: jaguda1 on 24/06/2011 23:22:03 What, no response at all CCP? Out of the hundreds of legitimate questions there must be something you can say.
I've a few to add to the list:
Is it your intention to eventually offer unique and powerful ships, modules and rigs via micro transaction? If so the game will be ruined as wealthy players skip the sometimes years of perseverance, patience and determination most of us have worked hard at to compete. Were we just gullible fools to invest our time so?
What was the financial deal with Intel, Ati, Nvidia and other hardware manufacturers? Was it to raise the specifications for Eve to above that required for games such as Crysis and similar games in exchange for money? How much was it? 50M USD? 500M USD? An offer you couldn't refuse? The tens of thousands of players that will have to upgrade their computers now just to continue to enjoy Eve is worth a fortune I guess. Must have felt like a real coup for you. It is a disgrace though.
Was the Buddy program simply to entice us into multiple characters which now we cannot play effectively unless we comply with upgrading our hardware?
I do hope you come to your senses soon and answer us properly.
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Daftny Litchinova
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:57:00 -
[1059]
Originally by: Harpalyce Dynameos Edited by: Harpalyce Dynameos on 24/06/2011 21:06:25 Edited by: Harpalyce Dynameos on 24/06/2011 20:57:04 CQ? Neat, 1 step closer to actually remembering there's a human in my internet spaceships That there's only 1 CQ? Well um time constraints... it's uh... cool... I guess... yeah... Complaints of loading times? I'm not seeing it, CQ runs and loads flawlessly on my machine, with no discernible difference in load time, you get a +1 internets CCP
New ship designs? Cool, always like new looks to my internet spaceships That there's only 1 new ship design? Well um time constraints... it's uh... cool... I guess... yeah...
New turrets and animations? Well hot damn, now that's cool! And I'm loving it! But wasn't this expansion all about CQ... um... CCP you should have named this expansion EVE: Pews With Looks to Kill Complaints that they're different and hard to tell from a glance? HTFU, it just takes practice.
MT? Yeah...I don't even think I'm allowed to talk to you anymore CCP... You do realize I could buy a brand new fully released game, in a box, from an actual store, that actually is polished... FOR THE SAME PRICE AS YOUR VANITY ITEMS?! -1 gazillion internets :(
So damn true... Like BF3 coming out OCT 25th (a game that won't asking me money to get items to improve my kill skills)
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Beck Thomson
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:36:00 -
[1060]
Edited by: Beck Thomson on 25/06/2011 00:36:14
Originally by: Leocadminone
I STILL want the ability to turn portraits off COMPLETELY.
+1
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LAranss
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:51:00 -
[1061]
Make NeX prices more realistic, I highly doubt my monocle should cost as much as a Machariel.
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Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:52:00 -
[1062]
As one of the few remaining forum posters not infected yet by mad cow disease, I still have to add my voice to those asking for making the CQ a station service instead of a replacement for the old hangar view.
I have a decent machine that can run the CQ even on two clients. But it just doesn't feel right. The longer load time after docking. And in most cases I don't spend time docked, I quickly do something like buying or moving stuff and then undock again. Walking around in my private rooms is just not something my character would do most of the time. Docking has become an annoying thing.
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Vaya DeLopasz
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1063]
Originally by: Carli Zandrya I happen to like Incarna, but I'm not hard to please. I know change is hard for some, but remember this is a stepping stone to a greater vision for EvE.
CQ: 1) The lighting is still horrible. If facial features can't be lit up correctly (i.e. glowing eyelids and nostrils) then perhaps an option to adjust the lighting will help (like character pose lighting). 2) Love the screens! One could spend quite some time just watching the big main screen. Very immersive, although some customization would prove useful. The agent and corp finders are great. The Carbon UI needs better responsiveness. ** On a side note, placing station service buttons on the balcony UI (and/or screens) might be a good idea. 3) My guys really need a power-nap. Please make the bed/cot thing available for use! 4) Don't spin the camera when a character sits down on the couch. Vertigo! 5) If I want to see my avatar after docking I'd rather see a face, not the back of a head. 6) Better camera controls (more zoom options). 7) Windows! Having the same CQ pop up no matter where your at feels like groundhog day. At least Windows would remind us we aren't in Kansas any more.
Gun Turrets: Looks really good overall. Salvaging in a Noctis has never been cooler. 1) Blue mining beams? Meh.. Miners love the gold! 2) Missile bays have been forsaken. Missile bay animation would be great eye candy. For that matter so would probes and drone bays.
Misc: - Thank you for restoring the yellow HUD CAP! - Rethink the apparel and Noble price thing. Hard. Clothing for the cost of 2 t3 ships will never work. The plausibility curve can't go down fast enough.
Overall, nice work. Looking forward to the tweeks and updates.
This really hits all my points.
only to be added: if you could at least select which station you dock out automatically manually, with a preset to define default behaviour and optionally maybe saving the character position, that would make it perfect.
and for gods sake, fix the warp, its gone now 90% of the time and still goes into wrong directions sometimes! cant be that hard, its a client only effect and its not like a demand for bezier curves around planets or something.
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:10:00 -
[1064]
I like the layout of the C/Q Plenty of room. However the developers over looked a few things, Although some what minor. They were over looked none the less.
The first being that I have a bed that I can not use. However once useable this could bring the term cyber sex to an all new level if we are allowed to bring other toons to our quarters lol.
Second, Where is the fridge that is fully stocked with quafe? I can't find it.
third, There is no kitchen. Im stuck in a room with no supplies.
fourth. No head. I am not sure how long I can hold it. Although I have held it for 7 years. soo lol
Fifth, probably the most important thing......where is the remote for the big screen t.v.?
sixth, A rug would be nice and perhaps pets. A mastiff or two. Or maybe a badger.
seventh, Pictures. exotic women
eighth, a gun safe or a safe in general. I suspect at some point we will have guns on our side. Perhaps that can be added to the noble market.
ninth, the stairs to the pod don't work. I would like to have the option to board the pod and see myself be moved to the awaiting ship and perhapse even walk aboard it at some point and see the crew (if any) as I head towards the bridge.
Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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DocHardy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:14:00 -
[1065]
I love the screen and the new agent finder. Really nice job on the agent finder. However, the avatar's walk way to slow, and you undock down a long hall, such a time sink. You need to ditch that time sink if you don't want people to turn it off. And the turning is really clunky, I swear it is hard to get down the hall. The buttons do 90 degree turns, which is pretty bad, and using the mouse isn't much better. Fix the movement and the station environment is pretty good.
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chinfacee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:47:00 -
[1066]
Edited by: chinfacee on 25/06/2011 02:48:55 GIVE ME BACK MY SHIP SPINNING. Seriously, wtf...why is this station environment mandatory? People with multiple accounts are gonna die, or turn the **** off entirely. And if I DO wanna enjoy it on a couple toons, ive gotta juggle graphic options and redock. **** you.
Oh yeah and every feature inside CQ is redundant and stupid. **** you.
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Soddington Smythe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:13:00 -
[1067]
I've patched and CQ is running at about 3FPS. That don't perturb me none,I'm getting a new rig as I expected I would need to.
Looks nice,at least from seeing other peoples youtube vids,however My Avatar which looked so cool in the generator looks a bit naff while he stands around the Minm beta quarters. That dont`t perturb me none either, I expected it would be a touch lost in translation,and I can live with it.
Not a whole lot to do in CQ,but I also expected that,its the first part of a huge new undertaking,which will be exciting to be part of
What DOES Perturb me a whole lot is the NEX store.That felt an awful lot like someone just threw up in my mouth and called it dinner. Pants cost the price of real pants,boots cost the price of boots and the idea of shoving a Carrier in my eye socket seems not so much a vanity as a reason to have anyone who bought one isolated, committed, studied and then thrown into vacuum for the betterment of the gene pool.
I read the 'leaked' newsletter entitled 'greed is good' from EVE 24, but by the look of the pricing and deployment of the NEX coupled with the 'great news' on third party apps it appears no one in CCP marketing did. Im not opposed to the new paradigm of pay more to play more,but guys you really need to revisit the current value you place on these extras with an eye on what your current player base places on them.
I have in the past and will in the future,pay good RL money for Plex to convert to ISK for ships and parts as I just don't have the time to grind these days, but it will be a hot summers day in Reykjavik before I consider blowing more than a couple of bucks on vanity items.The Idea of vanity items should be to say"There goes a guy with taste and style" not " There goes a complete Moron with more money than brain cells" An alliance leader wearing a Nyx in his eyeball will generate nothing but contempt from alliance members thinking,"I could be flying that in Pew pew,..what is that knob doing wearing it as jewellery?"
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GaiusAlexander
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:22:00 -
[1068]
I see "spinning ship" request. A lot. I thought I was the only player who like to spin my ship in dock out of boredom. We need to start a spinning ship alliance or something. Join Club Sit & Spin!
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Socratic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:33:00 -
[1069]
When will these constant disconnects be addressed and stop??!!
It's obvious that this update has introduced fatal errors into the builds!!
The game is now unplayable!!
Will you reimburse my subscription money??!!
Get this fixed now!!
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Mocker Dove
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:33:00 -
[1070]
After reading CCP Zulu's response, I'm just gobsmacked.
Thousands of people stating quite clearly they hate this for its uselessness, their obvious deception, and the wretched direction this points to, not to mention thousand of players protesting in game (ya know, that whole "what players are doing" thing)...and they are happy they sold 52 monocles? Out of hundreds of thousands of players, 52 dweebs paid over a billion in ISK for a completely useless vanity item that will go completely unused and likely unseen by 99.95% of the player community...and they are happy? That's just mind boggling denial on an epic scale.
CQ is wholly useless. It fails to deliver Anything of value, and what's more is that it detracts and detracts from my game experience.
I haven't seen anything this stupid since NGE/CU from SWG. That's saying quite alot.
It pains me greatly to say this: With all the decisions they've made, on top of making the game literally inaccessible to me due to hardware constraints, I've lost all confidence in CCP and cannot see every paying them another dime of my money. In all the years I've been playing MMO's, I've only claimed that about a single company, Sony Online Entertainment. I never in a million years thought I'd ever be saying it about CCP.
I can't say I'm done with them entirely. I can say that based on my experience, their practices and overall direction are not drawing me to them or their game. It's one thing to complain or dislike a single feature or even a few changes with any content/expansion...it is another entirely when the company as a whole shows that they have not only lost sight of what has paid their salaries for the last decade, but insist that they've done the right thing when it is as clear as an un-muddied lake they just dropped a loaf in the punch bowl.
What most players do not realize or accept even when informed is that CCP doesn't have to use player feedback. It's not our game, it's theirs. That's what sucks the most about this...CCP has been one of the few companies that tell their customers that they are a part of the development and decision making process. Other companies have the sack to state otherwise outright. In that, I see a great deal of dishonesty.
I find what they've done and plan to do completely disgraceful, distasteful, dishonest, and ultimately completely unnecessary. As I said before, I have but one option which they really didn't give a choice in (because I literally can't play it anymore on my laptop) and that's to not pay them any more of my money.
Nitpicking and griping about the details, slinging e-turds or giving commentary about what they've done and will do isn't going to solve anything. They've made it abundantly clear that they believe they are going in the right direction. 52 items sold to four hundred something thousand players is all the proof they need. So you go right on ahead, CCP, you go with yo bad self.
There really isn't much more I can say about this whole topic except this: They just lost a customer. They just lost 15 bucks a month. Additionally, they've lost the body of players and the money they pay when they elect to play their game because the guild decides to go there. If they don't care, will simply cannot continue to care and pay them.
You may be happy with your decisions, but we're not. My guild and I have spoken by cancelling our subscriptions.
CCP has Officially jumped the shark.
Thanks for all the fish and monocles.
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Etharion Calthon
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:56:00 -
[1071]
Confirming I'm also leaving this fail cascade. I mean really CCP?
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Subscription cancelled.
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john roe
BearingPoint
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:08:00 -
[1072]
Edited by: john roe on 25/06/2011 06:08:50
Originally by: Beck Thomson Edited by: Beck Thomson on 25/06/2011 00:36:14
Originally by: Leocadminone
I STILL want the ability to turn portraits off COMPLETELY.
+1
dont wait for cccp to get you that option back. do it yourself :
...\cache\pictures\characters\chat (set that last catalog to READ-ONLY. protection - write - denied)
no more dumb avatars in channels :]
cheers
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:20:00 -
[1073]
Confirming that Ship Spinning is far more epic than virtual prison cell pacing.
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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:37:00 -
[1074]
Just my observation on the aesthetics:
-The camera is oddly positioned much lower then is normal for a third person perspective. It's like standing behind someone bigger at a concert and zooming in and out just makes it slightly different by moving the back of your avatars head into the center of the screen. -Lighting is extremely artifical, nothing like the Radiosity previews showed. Lights are small islands of light in a sea of brown/grey mush. When you stand besides the table your avatar shadow disappears completely while the table shadow is there, giving you the idea you are floating in space, not standing on a floor. -The big central display looks cool until you see 'Alliance Tournament IX Day 1' and 'Alliance Tournament IX has concluded' come up next to each other.
And the main one: your CQ is just ugly. It's an industrial look which may seem edge and cool for the 'cold dark place' EVE is supposed to be but you get depressed after a few minutes like you're at work in some factory or in prison. Even your couch is some massive chunk of metal with tiny cushions. Something you may see on a train used to transport football hooligans. There is nothing in the CQ and every exactly identical CQ all over the universe that makes it a place you want to be.
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grootgroot
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:55:00 -
[1075]
Hello CCP, my comments on Incarna.
1. Some elements of walking around isn't quite organic. Mainly, I'm thinking of when I stop pressing the "W" key, my character comes to an abrupt stop, as if he walked into a wall. I think a bit of gentle deceleration would be nice here.
2. I had to switch off CQ because my laptop fan was going into overdrive. It doesn't go superhot when I'm in space and there are dozens/hundreds of other ships. Yet standing in a station on my own, not moving, causes laptop superheating.
3. The other reason I switched off CQ is that there is no gameplay content.
4. The new icons for artillery guns are very dark and they all look very similar. The turret effects are cool.
5. Giant chicken costume in the NEX store please.
6. The worst thing of all, there is no new gameplay in this expansion.
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Enki Rhodan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:51:00 -
[1076]
What is that ?????????? Subscription canceled..... It's a joke. bye CCP.
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:18:00 -
[1077]
Do not just cancel get your money back.
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Terenius Neo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:26:00 -
[1078]
Personally I like the CQ feature very much but I really miss CQs of Amarr, Gallente and Caldari design. I also think it would be much better to place the ships over the docking hold in the distance. For the problem to see you TII frigate from a far you could place some sort off monitor an the balcony close to the hologram of your current ship. Just an idea.
Well and there could be more commodities. I want my Quafe drink on the table infront of the couch and a pole for a exotic Gallente dancer or Minmatar slave. Okay? That's my wichlist, thanks CCP! ;)
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Toramaline
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:32:00 -
[1079]
After 7 years of playing EvE and loving Every moment of it, getting excited in the early years when 12k of people had 'actually' logged on at any one time, keeping at least 2 toons running at all times and putting up with updates that 'improved' (then crashed) the game I seriously question an update that now causes my laptop to overheat and die (this has happened twice now) and a graphical update that slows my pc to 1 frame every 3 seconds.
Well CCP you may just have lost a long term player unless I can find a way to stop my pc dieing, fighters V has been put on just in case I can 'fix' the issue you have created but until then eve login will be kept to an absolute minimum and possibly only up to my next payment time.
Tor.
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Sgt Jessa Hakaari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:06:00 -
[1080]
CQ came out great. Good job getting it out there! I had zero issues and am able to run three clients on high no problem.
Noble store is going to need tweeking, way too expensive to even think about at this point. Maybe this is the good stuff and the cheaper is coming out later, hopefully. Would like to see some more though in the way of ship and character customization stuff.
The first poster after op said it very nicely. Cant wait for the faction quarters update, any word on how that is coming?
Thanks again
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Geksz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:12:00 -
[1081]
Can we get back the old hangar view pls? And with it the SM2 only requirement, so those who can't run CQ can still play the spaceship part? Becouse otherwise this "expansion" is a very silly one... U just made some of the playerbase unable to play a spaceship game where only SM2 is required, becouse of an "expansion" wich introduces no new gameplay, and isn't related to space, and is more demanding on our PC then the space part itself. What the HELL?!?!?! This is a loss loss scenario in my view...
Introducing it only for vanity items? with no multiplayer enviroment? with only 1 CQ of the 4? does this really had to come out this soon, and this unpolished/unfinished?
And have any of u devs read the feedback threads on the Test server feedback forums? BEcouse we hadn't got any feedback from u on our questions, and concerns!
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Kenji Kikuta
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:22:00 -
[1082]
Edited by: Kenji Kikuta on 25/06/2011 10:24:14 1. Turret animations, AWESOME! :-D
2. CQ, a very good start to something that will be awesome in the future. Though, there should be a possibility to choose if you want to leave your pod or not when docking up. :-)
3. Vanity shop, it should be a possible to ask for specially designed clothing and accessories for current prices. ;-)
4. I like the new agent finder UI!
5. I'd like to see what ship is active immediately when I log in, CQ mode or not.
Good job CCP :-D
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Black Narval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:45:00 -
[1083]
Incarna is Epic Fail!
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John Macleod
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:12:00 -
[1084]
The lack of understanding by a lot of people that this is a stepping stone is unreal. With usual patches yes you can polish and get things finished because they are usually not too far from the games usual mechanics.
This is just a small portion of what is to come, and the best way to polish the important stuff is to release a small part that A- does improve new player experience, and B-allows them to test the new mechanics they are working with.
This even to ccp is not entirely important on its own, what makes it important is simply that all the good WiS to come will use this as a solid foundation. Rattling off the other CQ enviroments for each race will not take long now that the code and tech is actually there.
However yes I am sorry this but this simply could not have stayed on Duality/SiSi until everything was there. This is because getting this done within any reasonable amount of time requires some element to be tested on the main clients massive population first. This provides all the data, charts n graphs that CCP need to work on to get the big stuff working. It's really as simple as that.
And for all the haters,
A- they've already stated that ship spinning will be returned. The devs themselves said at fanfest they want to be able to do it themselves. (yes I want it back too but I definatly seem more patient that a very large number of people posting on this thread).
B- I think for a large % of the posts I see is the lack of usefulness in this exact implementation without a thought for the future, so a decent amount of you will simply stop hating when more of it is released.
C- I do agree that there should be a tick-box currently implemented for those who want the option to either not use this at all or to not use it until it becomes more entangled with the space side of eve (which it will).
D- For the rest, well you pretty much moan about every patch not addressing something, so we can't really win with you.
And finally to the computer upgrade whiners. of course there will be issues with a brand new coded part of the client not working on certain cards/configurations etc. That's just about impossible to avoid. So for that lot of people I understand your frustration. But the people sitting on absolutely ancient hardware. That would cost not even triple figures to completely re-fit to a good CQ running state. seriously? your playing a constantly evolving game, if you don't upgrade at some point it will leave you behind hampering the growth of that game, and for the majority of the games population is not fair. Eve can still run on pretty damn low end rigs.
All other patching issues that affect client stability happen every patch, im sick of people blaming CQ for it, I mean it really happens EVERY time have that many people forgotten that?
Just feel like someone needs to jump in and stick up for those who are loving the POTENTIAL of this patch and people need to understand it as a seed being planted, not a final product.
Yes the majority of people in this thread have been whining but that does not mean you are in the majority. - How forums work-1.01
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:22:00 -
[1085]
John Macleod, I could not have said it better myself. +1
....but people still going to act like its the end of the world, simply because they expect CCP to do everything for them.
Until they try their hand at programming, I doubt anything will change ---------------------------------
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Andrew Tsero
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:32:00 -
[1086]
I am a miner so I do a lot of "dive in unload and head back out" activity. I just dont load the cq and I have found our how to do what I need to do.
For myself, the icons are very hard to see clearly and a colored background to contrast them with would help. Also since I do so much in and out I would like the station board back when I dont load cq so I know I am in the right place as I get confused once and a while.
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Akkukkak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:39:00 -
[1087]
Originally by: John Macleod
Yes the majority of people in this thread have been whining but that does not mean you are in the majority. - How forums work-1.01
Sure, but almost 300 forums pages tells you the reality. You are cynical, Sir. And I can assume that the forum posts are a good "sample" of the general opinion of "Failcarna".
Besides, the way that it is implemented tell us a lot. Why they do almost mandatory? Because they want to FORCE the comunnity to play that way. Because they KNOW that is a piece of Crap. Because the "decision guys" cannot face failure another time. In EVE online failure means.... ignored it.
INACRNA: maybe good long term, but very bad short term idea. Bad implemented. Buggy. Cheap. Ugly.
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Vaya DeLopasz
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:04:00 -
[1088]
This thread and others summarized to...
Quote:
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Quote: Critics, some whishes for enhancements, mentioning of bugs
Chorus: Some thumbs up.
Quote: Whining as usual ignored by most readers
Chorus: Some thumbs up.
Quote: Somebody taking them all together as whining, making clever postings, being applauded about his really cheap generalized antiwhine-view, just heating up the boiling kettle
Chorus: Some thumbs up. :|
CCP, u need a good open serious bugtracker. Instead using a petition system for everything and a forum for accumulating emotions. This is going nowhere. Oh, this post belongs to verse 3.
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Black Narval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:43:00 -
[1089]
I think that the CCP will lose his faithful fans, if you do not listen to their voice ....... This game play it a certain number of people and they are true fans. This is not just any other MMO. This is EVE!!!
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Khali Soo
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:33:00 -
[1090]
I'm tired of this Bull**** whining. Things change. LIFE (RL) is all about change. The peeps who shout the most are not aware that EVE is an evolving universe, not unlike the Milky Way. EVE must change, as the MMORGP universe is always changing. GET OVER IT, FOLKS!! Anyone *****ing about this might want to ponder what life would be like without refrigerators, highways, internet - things our grandparents live without. Can you? But mostly.... this is only a GAME!!!! Get a life. If you could deal with one.
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Black StarHawk
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:37:00 -
[1091]
In general I like Incarna, but i don¦t like the force to leave my pod.
Why is Incarna not in two Steps, first you dock and only then you CAN leave your ship fly to your quarter in you pod and then only when you need, you can use your quarter in station???
It would be perfect for every one, if you need, you can go to station and live your live as 3D avatar or you can stay in your actual ship and keep spinning for hours.
Simple and effective!!!
And please don¦t forget this is an roleplay game... virtual clothes at that price, hope nobody is such an idiot and spend more for a pair of trousers than for an first class battleship!
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Ore Core
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:45:00 -
[1092]
Someone at CCP told me to type my rant here. so here it is. Petition: New station upgrade is poorly made. You can follow up on your petition on: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/Petitions/PetitionDetails.aspx?20110622-2502631-5233D39E 2011.06.22 18:18:00 GM Panzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, We are sorry you feel this way about the ongoing development of the game. The best way to provide feedback of this sort is via the Incarna feedback thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532928 Best regards, Lead GM Panzer EVE Online Customer Support 2011.06.22 02:10:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send to: management and developers, I think after all the head spin you've done on this for years now. The crunch of it is its been poorly made and created, the movement is total crap! its stiff and rigid, The fact that you can't revert back to the old way is poor choice too. I think the developers are lazy and can't even code an mmo! they no nothing about movement control, player interaction, player expectations, good environments and good game play. This is yet another poor example of the untold weakness's in the game dev dept. They have never done much to changed anything in this game but ad a few maps, a few models and other mathematical mediocre advances. They really need to apply a more bold and creative approach to advancement in these updates. Simply placing something in and adding a barbie doll type movement is very disappointing, The way this has been delivered is poor. The general progress of the game over the years is sad. I really like the game a lot for what it is a space game! that's why I keep coming back. It needs far more better organization of its upgrades and the marketing needs more tests before you even mention it. Don't make the game even more of a laughing stock. The internet thrives on this. During ALPHA the game was fun to play. we all thought it would become a great game as the years have gone by Reality has shown it is still the same as it was all those years ago stuck in alpha! Try not to keep up the poor work! I have had my rant.no need to reply.
Added extra The shop is a dam right nerve! its friggin disgusting and if this stays in place the game needs to go to FREE TO PLAY! Otherwise get rid of the friggin shop! I know everyone is feeling the pinch with money we all are why the hell are you seeking more. Is Iceland really that poor that you need to grab more money out of already empty pockets! Get with it for god-sake and give something back and stop wanting to take take take all the time. These devs are real bankers.
For all those that speed read, in short the update sucks!
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Market babe Smith
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:31:00 -
[1093]
Hi CCP!
IMHO the new expansion is great, except I can't use CQ yet :/ it¦s so damn laggy, there is some serious graphic glitches especially in the walkway from the ship to the cabin and my fps drops there to around 7, in space i have 30-40 fps with high settings. So if you would put some time to code it well and optimize it so that it would run A LOT smoother I could even use it (I really would like to).
The turrets are just great :) imo there's nothing wrong with the icons or anything their just perfect :)
So i hope you would fix CQ or at least have more graphics options for CQ only :)
-Uthubo
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Sarell Ensa
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 -
[1094]
Edited by: Sarell Ensa on 25/06/2011 14:44:03 Edit: Damn it, wrong thread :)
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Geksz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:26:00 -
[1095]
Edited by: Geksz on 25/06/2011 15:30:53
Originally by: John Macleod The lack of understanding by a lot of people that this is a stepping stone is unreal. With usual patches yes you can polish and get things finished because they are usually not too far from the games usual mechanics.
This is just a small portion of what is to come, and the best way to polish the important stuff is to release a small part that A- does improve new player experience, and B-allows them to test the new mechanics they are working with.
Ok, i can understand that. BUT why I haven't seen any kind of devblog, forum post, or news item about this? Why didn't CCP mentioned before deploying Incarna, that this will be a testing phase, and all players be patient, and try out what it can do and then pls report ur findings in the feedback thread? NO communication since deployment about the issues. They haven't even answered questions asked several times. Even the test server forum threads are remain unanswered. What does this tell u? Because for me it tells CCP either forgot to communicate it (wich i highly doupt, because they had the chance to say so in the last few days) or this was never their intent (wich is more like it).
Originally by: John Macleod
However yes I am sorry this but this simply could not have stayed on Duality/SiSi until everything was there. This is because getting this done within any reasonable amount of time requires some element to be tested on the main clients massive population first. This provides all the data, charts n graphs that CCP need to work on to get the big stuff working. It's really as simple as that.
Yes, but still there were a lot of issues without a fix, or answer, before it went live on TQ. We tested it on SiSi, we gave feedback, and nothing happened... They went live with it how it was. Bad management? Internal communication issues? Either way bad example from the company.
Originally by: John Macleod
And for all the haters, [...] B- I think for a large % of the posts I see is the lack of usefulness in this exact implementation without a thought for the future, so a decent amount of you will simply stop hating when more of it is released.
C- I do agree that there should be a tick-box currently implemented for those who want the option to either not use this at all or to not use it until it becomes more entangled with the space side of eve (which it will).
And finally to the computer upgrade whiners. of course there will be issues with a brand new coded part of the client not working on certain cards/configurations etc. That's just about impossible to avoid. So for that lot of people I understand your frustration. But the people sitting on absolutely ancient hardware. That would cost not even triple figures to completely re-fit to a good CQ running state. seriously? your playing a constantly evolving game, if you don't upgrade at some point it will leave you behind hampering the growth of that game, and for the majority of the games population is not fair. Eve can still run on pretty damn low end rigs.
The problem with CQ is not that it not holds future promise, rather the way it is presented and forced on us. Until we "whined" on the test server feedback thread about it there were no such option to disable CQ. Wich means they wanted to force it, but earlier times they promised it will be optional. And about functionality: it has no real function in it's current form. So why do everyone needs SM3 suddenly? If i just want to play my spaceship game with EVE why do i need the SM3 graphics CQ? I can do everything without it! So why is this mandatory NOW? Before CQ has any usefulness? This part of the game should be separated from the space part. So we can still do stuff on low end machines if we need or want to. For a lot of reasons which i haven't left enough character to explain now...
So, if u view stuff from this point, how does it look like? Are u really that satisfied with CCP communication over the past week?
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Vulcra
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:59:00 -
[1096]
Update is awful. Really? I'm paying $30 a month for this kind of development? Seriously fire some people and get back to what the game is about. Space and Ships.
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So Refine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:30:00 -
[1097]
Originally by: Liner Xiandra
The stripminer effects are... underwhelming to say the least. I see just a single blue line? Even less impressive than the ice mining strips effect from incursions&before.
Totaly agree! wth was the dev on when they thought this blue line looked better then before.
I should take a trip to Iceland obviously what I have is junk.
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:55:00 -
[1098]
Wow, what a bunch of whining.
I agree with previous posts that point out the fact that this thread is not representative of the majority of Eve players. Nor is it "a good sample" of the community. When people like something or are indifferent they don't usually rush out to find the official thread to mention this. So mostly all you're getting is the rage from people who hate any change at all.
My own opinion about Incarna is a solid "Not bad." I realize this is just the beginning and its a promising one at that. Considering the massive changes, I'd say it went in relatively painlessly. I like where CCP is going with this and think they are doing a competent job at moving forward with the game.
What I don't understand is how CCP's coders find the will to create and produce for such a large number of whining ingrates. Frankly, I wouldn't do it for any amount of money. As this is my first MMO, I have nothing to compare to in terms of player base whine level. Do all MMOs face this same level of hysterical and childish tantrums as a reaction to expansions or is it just Eve? The amazing part to me is that these expansions are FREE and yet the volume of the whiners is STILL turned all the way up to 11 on a knob that only goes to 10. Unbelievable.
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Aschella
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:01:00 -
[1099]
This "update" is an absolute disappointment. The initial concept was good, but the functionality is horrible.
So much lag it's worthless. Can't spin my ship either.
Aurum? Really? What a joke.
Kinda' felt that this would happen but was really hoping it wouldn't.
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McFly 18121
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:04:00 -
[1100]
I for one am not interested in Second-Life in space. I never was interested in WiS or the MTs or whatever. I don't want to be jumped by 100,000 furries when I take a step into Jita trying to sell me jackets. I don't want to have to spend any money beyond the subscription fee in order to remain competitive in game. I don't really give a crap that a monocle costs $100 or whatever, I am not in it for the 'coolest avatar'. That is all.
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Sycobubble
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:12:00 -
[1101]
Quote: Wow, what a bunch of whining. I agree with previous posts that point out the fact that this thread is not representative of the majority of Eve players. Nor is it "a good sample" of the community. When people like something or are indifferent they don't usually rush out to find the official thread to mention this. So mostly all you're getting is the rage from people who hate any change at all. My own opinion about Incarna is a solid "Not bad." I realize this is just the beginning and its a promising one at that. Considering the massive changes, I'd say it went in relatively painlessly. I like where CCP is going with this and think they are doing a competent job at moving forward with the game. What I don't understand is how CCP's coders find the will to create and produce for such a large number of whining ingrates. Frankly, I wouldn't do it for any amount of money. As this is my first MMO, I have nothing to compare to in terms of player base whine level. Do all MMOs face this same level of hysterical and childish tantrums as a reaction to expansions or is it just Eve? The amazing part to me is that these expansions are FREE and yet the volume of the whiners is STILL turned all the way up to 11 on a knob that only goes to 10. Unbelievable.
On this thread the kindest comments post are the ones above that describe the Incarna as "not bad" and "compentent".
Have a long think about what this really says about Eve-Online. That post came from someone who had never played an MMO before so it's all shiny and new to him, he's not seen the great stuff you've introduced before and openly admits he has no basis for comparison.
WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU THINK YOUR LONG TERM USER BASE IS THINKING RIGHT NOW IF THAT'S THE BEST YOUR GETTING FROM A NEW SUBSCRIBER THAT HAS NO IDEA WHAT EVE IS????????????
I have played this game since 2004 and have never seen so much negativity towards an update.
I fear for the games future and my subscription.
On a side note, the update should have been called STARING AT DOORS.
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Ehranavaar
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:24:00 -
[1102]
the expansion pushed eve past what my poor office machine can handle.
you realize i may have to go back to working at work again???
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Jenjidai Regent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:37:00 -
[1103]
CQ basically is a Eye Candy for players, as many said before, thing is....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnO2HDb2s3E
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Nethemas
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:07:00 -
[1104]
* If you want things to be more "immersive" I'd suggest putting in a first-person view. I'm not supposed to be the demon of my toon, I'm supposed to BE my toon. * Work on the performance of this whole new "immersive" world thing. I don't have the latest greatest $3000 system, but it's quite capable of playing most nearly any other game with a comparable environment with high detail and healthy fraps. I've turned it off. The load times are obnoxious when all you want to do is drop some junk in the bin and fly off again. * To say moving around in station is clunky would be the understatement of the year. It's like you mashed a 1990's UI with early 2000 graphics, but with 2014 resource demands. * Micro (ahem) transactions: If want to make it possible for people to spend hundreds of dollars on vanity I have no problem with that, but if this becomes a means of gaining in-game advantages you will be making a seriously big mistake and will lose far more players than I think you realize. * I think most of us were looking for something "interesting" in terms of new ships T2s but especially T3s, equipment (new kinds of toys), improvements in in-space play, etc.. I'm only seeing some window dressing on this front. * Thanks for trying something new, but don't forget who your customers are.
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Jenny Starlight
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:11:00 -
[1105]
Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:13:11 Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:11:56
Originally by: Horaccio
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 23/06/2011 20:41:07 Running two clients with the captains quarter turned on lags like a 500v500 battle even on my newly upgraded PC with I7 2600K, x2 6970 2GB, 16GB of RAM, 128GB intel 510 SSD.
Three clients, well then its worse than Uemon was at max graphics. And it laggs the entire PC not just the clients. And yes its wrong with the game itself not my PC.
Yeah, that clash in Uemon was less laggy than the captains quarter with multiple clients..
Running a Pentium D processor with 3 Gigs of RAM under vista 32-bit on an old spinning HD with 8800GT 1GB card and it's fine. 2 clients on one screen (alt+tab) drives this baby to the the edge but still works just fine even with maxed out graphics. Either stop buying computers in malls or stop selling bull.
BTW One (maybe few) general remark: - This Incarna patch is a first step into social gaming. Just a way of checking how much flaming it would get from those "hardcore" long-time players who normally don't have any issue with exploiting game mechanics but in this case are acting as "guradians of tradition" - Of course this patch is also an end of PLEX - one can not pay bills in ISK, even in Iceland. You see vanity items, PLEX conversion into aurum etc. But the point is to get those plexes our of players pockets and make them paying real money for playing. - Of course with Dust 514 ccp is trying to dramatically increase and rejuvenate player base with those evil console gamers. These people will very likely try to see what eve is about and if it's not like S*MS they won't bother.
Huge generalisation but as usual it's our choice to play or not and remember that ccp is not a non-profit organistaion. Stop whining and enjoy :). Or in an act of protest you can just give me all your plexes and cancel subscription.
Im sorry im not an incompetent person your insulting does not reach me. I run a 3x 30" setup at 7680x1600 and the clients in various sizes between 1600x1200 and 2560x1600.
With a large monitor setup, and high resolution. Magicly the performance goes **** with multiple clients. You should stop thinking everyone run **** hardware like the one you have. When one manages to undock from the ungodly lag from the much unwanted captains quarter its smooth nomatter where you ho. Only CQ laggs to infinity.
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space t2
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:32:00 -
[1106]
Funny thing happened on the way to Incarna!
Yesterday i made one usefull info post, didnt whined, cursed or said anything wrong. Yet my post is gone! Can someone pls clarify why it is deleted?
On the other hand: After 4 days of trying to get into game on my mac i was totally unnable to do it. But this morning i made to start it and see funny message: your graphic card is too old it needs 3.0 SM.
heh.. if 8800GT 1gb doesnt have sm 3.0 than im dumb :\ in fact 7 and 8 series have 3.0 and 4.0 sm as i remember and yet i got that message? well i still thought im crazy so i needed some proof.. started bootcamp, installed that dumb system called windows, downloaded eve (10th time) and installed and.. whoa it works , and works good! so i wanted more tests and opened case and put in it 7300GT .. again works! ok.. went back to mac and i still got that message that my card doesnt support sm 3.0? but we know it does
so for now untill thats fixed im kinda forced to use OS which is full of holes, openings for viruses and all kinds of no goods. well forced may not be good expression but i dont play other games, i play only eve cause of its unique style. So on same machine in mac mode i cannot play and win mode i can play :\ i have need to adress that this is not mac error cause from curiosity i tried to install some new released games with 3.0 requirement and it goes very well, yet eve doesnt.
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Darth Helmat
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:35:00 -
[1107]
Edited by: Darth Helmat on 25/06/2011 19:36:10
Originally by: John Macleod The lack of understanding by a lot of people that this is a stepping stone is unreal. With usual patches yes you can polish and get things finished because they are usually not too far from the games usual mechanics.
The problem is not one of stepping stone, its one of direction. This cq comes at the expense of other developments that people are clamouring for, without adding any additional gameplay. We had the carbon UI, and now CQ, both caused pain, increased resource use, but had no player benefit.
It seems a feature of CCP that they spend a lot of time introducing new lumps, and ignoring the requests from the player base. Its a feature driven evolution. I am sure Incarna will be nice when its done, but without adding to game play, its worth zero. It would have been nice if there had been something to benefit from from either of the 2 patches, but there isn't just pain. Everything I could do I can still do faster with the old interface.
CQ needs a killer app - something fun I can do with it, that would be impossible to do without. Whats that going to be then? I await with trepidation the ability to walk slowly past my fellow pilots, to, er, show off my RMT purchased new trousers.
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Xeracotyl
Modern Caliba Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:38:00 -
[1108]
Along with mining I do a decent amount of hauling with 2 orcas, sometimes 3. As a capital industrial ship along with a cargo and drone bay, Orca has additional holds smaller ships dont such as a corporate hanger, ship maintenance bay and ore hold. A ship like this does frequent station drops for big mining ops. What do you think happened to the accessibility of these other compartments in station since captain quarters has replaced hangar view?
If you select any 3D Incarna CQ menus they have limited accommodations for a ship like the Orca. Why is this? Right now the only option left to access these holds is by right clicking ship icon in the old ui... and like anyone else storing more than one ship in a hangar youre taking your time to look for the right one. The extra time doing this among other things is annoying and cuts into the game flow.
Why isnt the ship in the CQ balcony as interactive with a right click menu, double click + (drag and drop) option like the old hangar view? Is it because a real ship is not a pro Incarna vanity utility object for your avatar? I suppose it kills the immersion factor for them but Im kinda forced to ask. Why then is the old station UI while in CQs at all? If im envisioning it with CCP logic, CQ's menus should eventually replace and serve you full access to anything the old UI does now. Right now it uses it like a massive piggyback. <<< Real immersion here.
Im sure CQ will get its incremental updates accordingly and move us on to WIS, but in upcoming releases I pray to see "spin hangar" view return as either an escape menu option or as the default view after docking. Give us the option to disembark and enter CQ with the station entrance button from hangar view.
This massive break up of the game play for CQ serves little tradeoff for when there is nothing to do there. While we still only have 1 CQ for what its worth, it will by default be a play barrier keeping limited use for newer pilots with a good pc. That is the case for me already but until full Incarna game play and functionality is presented id prefer some reasonable options till then.
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:47:00 -
[1109]
Edited by: Mr Cleann on 25/06/2011 19:49:16
Originally by: Triton Taoxr Anyone quitting over this, would you please contract me all your stuffz and send me all your isk plz, k, thnx
Forget him, he knows not what he speaks of or wants. Send your stuff to me instead. Thanks in advance and I hope you find something more to your liking. Like scrabble. Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:54:00 -
[1110]
Originally by: John Macleod The lack of understanding by a lot of people that this is a stepping stone is unreal. With usual patches yes you can polish and get things finished because they are usually not too far from the games usual mechanics.
This is just a small portion of what is to come, and the best way to polish the important stuff is to release a small part that A- does improve new player experience, and B-allows them to test the new mechanics they are working with.
This even to ccp is not entirely important on its own, what makes it important is simply that all the good WiS to come will use this as a solid foundation. Rattling off the other CQ enviroments for each race will not take long now that the code and tech is actually there.
However yes I am sorry this but this simply could not have stayed on Duality/SiSi until everything was there. This is because getting this done within any reasonable amount of time requires some element to be tested on the main clients massive population first. This provides all the data, charts n graphs that CCP need to work on to get the big stuff working. It's really as simple as that.
And for all the haters,
A- they've already stated that ship spinning will be returned. The devs themselves said at fanfest they want to be able to do it themselves. (yes I want it back too but I definatly seem more patient that a very large number of people posting on this thread).
B- I think for a large % of the posts I see is the lack of usefulness in this exact implementation without a thought for the future, so a decent amount of you will simply stop hating when more of it is released.
C- I do agree that there should be a tick-box currently implemented for those who want the option to either not use this at all or to not use it until it becomes more entangled with the space side of eve (which it will).
D- For the rest, well you pretty much moan about every patch not addressing something, so we can't really win with you.
And finally to the computer upgrade whiners. of course there will be issues with a brand new coded part of the client not working on certain cards/configurations etc. That's just about impossible to avoid. So for that lot of people I understand your frustration. But the people sitting on absolutely ancient hardware. That would cost not even triple figures to completely re-fit to a good CQ running state. seriously? your playing a constantly evolving game, if you don't upgrade at some point it will leave you behind hampering the growth of that game, and for the majority of the games population is not fair. Eve can still run on pretty damn low end rigs.
All other patching issues that affect client stability happen every patch, im sick of people blaming CQ for it, I mean it really happens EVERY time have that many people forgotten that?
Just feel like someone needs to jump in and stick up for those who are loving the POTENTIAL of this patch and people need to understand it as a seed being planted, not a final product.
Yes the majority of people in this thread have been whining but that does not mean you are in the majority. - How forums work-1.01
Good post and accurate Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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Beh3motH
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Beh3motH on 25/06/2011 20:06:48 IMO. You should make the Captains quarter Optional. The way to do this is very simple: Once you dock it will stay as it was befor Incarna, spinning ship, dubbleclick to enter cargo and so on. And to Get to the Captains quarted you must Leave your ship. That way thos who dont like it dont need to enter, and thos who like it can. And tbh, annoys the **** out of me that i gotta open ship hangar or the fitting window to rgiht click the ship options.. Hope Eve will be fixed soon.
Cheers
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Aidan Brooder
Caldari Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:20:00 -
[1112]
CQ - Looks good, I like it. Looking forward for all the stuff beyond that door. Shop - Totally over-prized & hope you stick to vanity items only. Will not use it. Turrets & icons - like them.
All in all I like Incarna. The shop spoiled it.
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Imryn Xaran
Caldari Coherent Light Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:56:00 -
[1113]
Since the implementation of CQ I have been trying to work out what exactly the new feature brings to the game, and I have come to this conclusion: nothing.
I understand that from CCP's point of view it is an essential stepping stone towards a future goal, and as such it is a milestone feature, but from the players point of view it adds nothing and that is a huge mistake.
From the players point of view it adds loading time when docking and adds a disproportionatly large drain on system resources while it is running. Once the player has docked he is presented with two completely independent UI's, one on top of the other and often overlapping and obscuring each other. The resulting mish mash is clumsy and cumbersome. The real kicker is that there is no incentive whatsoever for the player to use the new interface, resulting in most players simply using the old familiar interface and ignoring the new, whilst gripeing about the slight loss of functionality such as no direct access to a ships cargo bay. That makes CQ ridiculously expensive wallpaper.
This is how I think they should have introduced it.
1. The old hanger view is still needed and should still be available via a choice in the in space menu; "Dock" & "Dock & Disembark".
2. The "Dock" option takes you into the old hanger view, but the functionality of that option is limited to actions associated with a quick visit such as taking on or offloading cargo, switching modules in the current ship, turning in or requesting a mission from an established agent and so forth.
3. The "Dock & Disembark" option takes you into the CQ and provides the functionality you would associate with a longer stay or a requirement for face to face contact, such as market purchases, negotiating with a new agent, visiting the militia or bounty offices, taking out insurance, changing medical options, repairing your ship, switching ship, and so forth.
4. The UI in CQ should entirely replace the in space and in hanger interface. All fuctionality should be accessed by interacting with environmental features, meaning that the current CQ interface needs more developement work, but I think it is essential that the old interface is completely removed from CQ, to give the new interface room to grow and gain acceptance with the users.
5. In the short term all functionality that cannot currently be accessed via the CQ UI should revert to the in hanger UI, and as the CQ UI is further developed it can be switched over.
I am sure that many others have ideas on how it should have been done, and I am sure that most of them will disagree with some or all of my ideas, but I think a lot of people will agree with me when I say "What we have now isn't working out, please fix asap"
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Quinntox
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Quinntox on 25/06/2011 21:11:31 Edit. I have move this to issues thread
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Albus Thumbledore
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:48:00 -
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Pointless.
Honestly I felt phyiscally sick after walking from couch to ship and back. I thought initially it was motion sickness, maybe the controls just felt weird, but I realised it was simply that feeling like when you've worked your ass off on a project for a year only to find that you missed the mark and your project just got cancelled.
I'm usually an optimist, and in the early hype for WiS I was actually looking forward to being able to play poker, or do other cool things like play those space chess games, (loved the featurette with the strategy game being played on a table in a bar). But the walking part ???
Other games are all about the first/third person perspective. Seeing your avatar moving around gorgeous lanscapes holds appeal for many. But EVE is about space, it's gorgeous, that's where I want to be all the time. Walking around inside a tin can ? - just no, really no.
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Jackie Cross
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:58:00 -
[1116]
Edited by: Jackie Cross on 25/06/2011 23:03:23
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:13:11 Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:11:56
Originally by: Horaccio
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 23/06/2011 20:41:07 Running two clients with the captains quarter turned on lags like a 500v500 battle even on my newly upgraded PC with I7 2600K, x2 6970 2GB, 16GB of RAM, 128GB intel 510 SSD.
Three clients, well then its worse than Uemon was at max graphics. And it laggs the entire PC not just the clients. And yes its wrong with the game itself not my PC.
Yeah, that clash in Uemon was less laggy than the captains quarter with multiple clients..
Running a Pentium D processor with 3 Gigs of RAM under vista 32-bit on an old spinning HD with 8800GT 1GB card and it's fine. 2 clients on one screen (alt+tab) drives this baby to the the edge but still works just fine even with maxed out graphics. Either stop buying computers in malls or stop selling bull.
BTW One (maybe few) general remark: - This Incarna patch is a first step into social gaming. Just a way of checking how much flaming it would get from those "hardcore" long-time players who normally don't have any issue with exploiting game mechanics but in this case are acting as "guradians of tradition" - Of course this patch is also an end of PLEX - one can not pay bills in ISK, even in Iceland. You see vanity items, PLEX conversion into aurum etc. But the point is to get those plexes our of players pockets and make them paying real money for playing. - Of course with Dust 514 ccp is trying to dramatically increase and rejuvenate player base with those evil console gamers. These people will very likely try to see what eve is about and if it's not like S*MS they won't bother.
Huge generalisation but as usual it's our choice to play or not and remember that ccp is not a non-profit organistaion. Stop whining and enjoy :). Or in an act of protest you can just give me all your plexes and cancel subscription.
Im sorry im not an incompetent person your insulting does not reach me. I run a 3x 30" setup at 7680x1600 and the clients in various sizes between 1600x1200 and 2560x1600.
With a large monitor setup, and high resolution. Magicly the performance goes **** with multiple clients. You should stop thinking everyone run **** hardware like the one you have. When one manages to undock from the ungodly lag from the much unwanted captains quarter its smooth nomatter where you ho. Only CQ laggs to infinity.
I ran almost perfectly with max graphics in CQ the other day. Now, with medium settings my GPU overheats and shuts down the entire PC. There is something wrong in the code, it affected me after the latest patch. It's all down to bughunting and optimization now.
Want to make it work for all of us? Report not only what doesn't work, but also what does work.
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JT Black
Amarr ALPHA REACTION
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:42:00 -
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Does not reflect 8 years of your experience.
Looks and feels , sounds more like a 2 year old company.
End result is poor and riddled with glitches.
I wonder how many ppl you have made available to work on this new expansion...if quite a lot then...sorry to say...it didn't work.
Was it worth it ?
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Knalldari Testpilot
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:32:00 -
[1118]
you want feedback?
incarna = fail^2
its the same sh!t like every big update before: added more bugs/lags and unwanted/untested new features - and leaves the core gameplay and functionality broken
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prejaha
Jagged Rock Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Knalldari Testpilot Edited by: Knalldari Testpilot on 26/06/2011 00:44:42 you want feedback?
incarna = fail^2
its the same sh!t like every big update before: added more bugs/lags and unwanted/untested new features - and leaves the core gameplay and functionality broken
Originally by: Jess Ica ... - Add an option to turn to old station view pls as this sucks without it.
this!
No this is by far the worst,most buggiest patch "ever" Just wish they would role it bk, and after zulu's latest blog on pricing structure (surely he was on crack when he wrote that?)i'm really starting to hate logging in anymore..
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Korso Odax
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:28:00 -
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Yep, I was looking forward to this update... Then I down loaded it....and now one of the two computers I used to play it with can't play it because SM3 is needed. Ok, ok I'm over that now, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one caught off guard by that. (not all of us read blogs and we just want to play the game.) Hmm.. I do like the look of my new guns. And I too would like the power to switch back to the old view in station, Ha it looks nice but I don't really care about it. The clothing bit is a JOKE!!! (Fix it or drop it) All in all, I think CCP missed shooting them selves in the head, but I do think they are missing a few limbs at this point. (Medic!!) You are going to lose people over this, but lets hope things get better.
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Gobbon
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:07:00 -
[1121]
Is it me or does a monocle really cost more then a spaceship? I mean what can i do with a monocle? Timetravel, moneycheat, infinite ammo and see everything at any time without even looking at it? If not i think its a little oberpriced
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Kimimasa
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:28:00 -
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I am really surprised at how much some of these players are crying. If you don't like MT then don't buy stuff. It is not the end of the world. The idea that someone with a 'hot new machine' is having trouble with this release is nonsense. My computer is 8yrs old and handles 3 clients easily.
There are certainly issues that can be improved or fixed, but nothing worth quitting for in my opinion. Sh*t, Xbox live charges money for everything and you can hardly get a connection most days.
Whatever you choose, either play or quit, but please shut you little girl mouths about things you can't change.
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Tahl Jor
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tahl Jor on 26/06/2011 02:41:05 I've been playing Incarna for the last two days (maybe 10-12 hours total). Everything is working well on my end. I haven't experienced any bugs from what I can tell. One thing I can say is that controlling your avatar in the Captain's Quarters does feel kind of clunky. Its not very smooth. I'm not talking about a low frame rate.
It's more that turning the character is pretty awkward with the a and d keys. So, I've decided to just turn him around with the mouse.
Haven't experienced any issues, and my rig specs are as follows:
Intel Dual Core E6300 (1.86ghz) Asus P5B-E Motherboard Asus 460gtx 768mb video card (nvidia 266.58 drivers) 4gb ddr 400 (i think that's it) ram Windows 7 64bit 3x320gb Samsung 7200RPM hard drives
Hope this helps.
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:57:00 -
[1124]
My system:
OS Name Microsoft« Windows VistaÖ Home Premium Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002 System ModelHP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC System Typex64-based PC ProcessorIntel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz Installed Physical Memory (RAM)4.00 GB Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
yeah, yeah, its a laptop, but its a damn-sight better than the 'legacy' stuff that ccp tested incarna out on before delivering it to tranquility. needless to say, this comp is the best i can afford at the moment.
so my issue? on low settings, all of the cq textures are either translucent or like mirrors. there doesnt seem to be a happy medium. its like walking thru some kind of hall of mirrors. my avatar shows up, but the lighting seems to be off somehow. sorry, hard to explain...
on high settings, all of the textures look wonderful, but now my avatar completely disappears! all except her hair! haha, that's right, i'm reduced to a floating hairdo...
shouldnt the whole thing work with low settings?
so right now, i have captain's quarters turned off and i'm having fun playing internet spaceships.
would it be so hard to have the old station spinning view back and get a 'disembark' button somewhere that shunts us into the cq's? yeah, yeah, im no programmer, but it seems just such an... elegant... solution to the whole problem.
/me shrugs
here's to hoping that incarna does get fixed in such a way that all of us with less-than-uber machines can run it without suffering meltdowns...
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Jaber Nu
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jaber Nu on 26/06/2011 06:11:36 I haven't encountered any issues with Incarna or my computer yet running Incarna, only a growing headache from player rage. I'll contribute here constructively and try to reveal my perspective on a few of the contentious issues for balance.
The CQ, relatively boring, but is the only real station thing introduced. My hunch is that devs might want to live test the very basics of WiS - The character, movement, interaction and interface. In my opinion the characters have been delivered as advertised. I love the walk only feature. Hair moves wonderfully in movement, I cant really tell at all with the clothing. There are combinations of movement that can be done in sequence (wasd, mouse rotation and double clicking the floor) which kind of makes the character flow with intention once executed with practice. Interacting with screens and items was clumsy at first but I got the hang of it quickly enough. Some information I would rather stay on screen instead of popping up a window, like the PI planets. There can be only 6 possible planets which could easily fit that list on that huge screen. I think the introduction was all-in-all a wonderful success. It is not hard to see that there are more features coming because there are places on the walls were items could be added and there is that mystery of what lies behind the containment door. Soon I hope.
Supply and demand. If something is not desired than the prices drop, and vice versa. There has been ginned-up fear for a very long time that vanity items would dominate Incarna once it was introduced. It is now here and to prevent the blowout, supply was altered to a point where NeX items are comparably priced to that of a Carrier and can be more expensive than similar clothing in real life. WOW! That spike tells me that CCP really does not want a lot of people buying these things to prevent the whole community from becoming swallowed in vanity and those fears to be realized. By unsubbing, the number of players that won't by these items becomes offset by all the WoW players who will come in and purchase 50 of them. All this talk about the sanctity of the EVE community and they are handicapping it from the start. Stand your ground, keep your subscription, encourage your friends and corp not to buy. The items will lose luster and their prices will drop to something far more reasonable. Let it pass.
What the big deal is with having a ship spin in the station. Undocked you can spin it all you want, even see it with thrusters active, maybe go out and shoot something. In the CQ, the fitting window lets one spin their ship to even the nadar of the ship. Ships in station now have an awe factor. I love it! Seeing that massive rig of metal and weapon ominously casting its shadow from beyond the balcony is nothing short of breathtaking. Look upon your ship with pride and respect, enjoy it a little.
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Horaccio
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:21:00 -
[1126]
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:13:11 Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:11:56
Originally by: Horaccio
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 23/06/2011 20:41:07 Running two clients with the captains quarter turned on lags like a 500v500 battle even on my newly upgraded PC with I7 2600K, x2 6970 2GB, 16GB of RAM, 128GB intel 510 SSD.
Three clients, well then its worse than Uemon was at max graphics. And it laggs the entire PC not just the clients. And yes its wrong with the game itself not my PC.
Yeah, that clash in Uemon was less laggy than the captains quarter with multiple clients..
Running a Pentium D processor with 3 Gigs of RAM under vista 32-bit on an old spinning HD with 8800GT 1GB card and it's fine. 2 clients on one screen (alt+tab) drives this baby to the the edge but still works just fine even with maxed out graphics. Either stop buying computers in malls or stop selling bull.
BTW One (maybe few) general remark: - This Incarna patch is a first step into social gaming. Just a way of checking how much flaming it would get from those "hardcore" long-time players who normally don't have any issue with exploiting game mechanics but in this case are acting as "guradians of tradition" - Of course this patch is also an end of PLEX - one can not pay bills in ISK, even in Iceland. You see vanity items, PLEX conversion into aurum etc. But the point is to get those plexes our of players pockets and make them paying real money for playing. - Of course with Dust 514 ccp is trying to dramatically increase and rejuvenate player base with those evil console gamers. These people will very likely try to see what eve is about and if it's not like S*MS they won't bother.
Huge generalisation but as usual it's our choice to play or not and remember that ccp is not a non-profit organistaion. Stop whining and enjoy :). Or in an act of protest you can just give me all your plexes and cancel subscription.
Im sorry im not an incompetent person your insulting does not reach me. I run a 3x 30" setup at 7680x1600 and the clients in various sizes between 1600x1200 and 2560x1600.
With a large monitor setup, and high resolution. Magicly the performance goes **** with multiple clients. You should stop thinking everyone run **** hardware like the one you have. When one manages to undock from the ungodly lag from the much unwanted captains quarter its smooth nomatter where you ho. Only CQ laggs to infinity.
I'm not sure if your specs have anything to do with your competence but the thing is my s**** rig does the job where yours does not.I admit I insulted you on purpose as I assumed you're just one of those flamers that are unhappy whatever you throw at them. So if it's not your case I aplogise. On the other hand though why the heck did you put up a ati machine for eve (if it is for eve only).
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Trent Kama
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:44:00 -
[1127]
Strip Miners and Ice Harvester modules need to have their sound fixed(plays Mining Laser sound for about 2 seconds on activation). It's so unnatural without it.
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ZYDOR73
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:15:00 -
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Hi there to all and to you CCP, i agree with previous post, strip miners sound for 2 seconds only, another issue is the warp effect is gone, YES i have cleared cashe, and another thing is that i log in with up to SEVEN accounts at one time ( as i have ALWAYS done ) and i am forced to lower res of graphics OR tick option to NOT load CQ, in order to not get lag or screen freeze, ( i have a top of the line new gaming laptop 8gig of memory HD graphic card HD1080p etc etc ASUS, super machine, so any advise please, i really want to keep resolution at max for my fleet, thank you.
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:40:00 -
[1129]
Originally by: Horaccio
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:13:11 Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 25/06/2011 19:11:56
Originally by: Horaccio
Originally by: Jenny Starlight Edited by: Jenny Starlight on 23/06/2011 20:41:07 Running two clients with the captains quarter turned on lags like a 500v500 battle even on my newly upgraded PC with I7 2600K, x2 6970 2GB, 16GB of RAM, 128GB intel 510 SSD.
Three clients, well then its worse than Uemon was at max graphics. And it laggs the entire PC not just the clients. And yes its wrong with the game itself not my PC.
Yeah, that clash in Uemon was less laggy than the captains quarter with multiple clients..
Running a Pentium D processor with 3 Gigs of RAM under vista 32-bit on an old spinning HD with 8800GT 1GB card and it's fine. 2 clients on one screen (alt+tab) drives this baby to the the edge but still works just fine even with maxed out graphics. Either stop buying computers in malls or stop selling bull.
BTW One (maybe few) general remark: - This Incarna patch is a first step into social gaming. Just a way of checking how much flaming it would get from those "hardcore" long-time players who normally don't have any issue with exploiting game mechanics but in this case are acting as "guradians of tradition" - Of course this patch is also an end of PLEX - one can not pay bills in ISK, even in Iceland. You see vanity items, PLEX conversion into aurum etc. But the point is to get those plexes our of players pockets and make them paying real money for playing. - Of course with Dust 514 ccp is trying to dramatically increase and rejuvenate player base with those evil console gamers. These people will very likely try to see what eve is about and if it's not like S*MS they won't bother.
Huge generalisation but as usual it's our choice to play or not and remember that ccp is not a non-profit organistaion. Stop whining and enjoy :). Or in an act of protest you can just give me all your plexes and cancel subscription.
Im sorry im not an incompetent person your insulting does not reach me. I run a 3x 30" setup at 7680x1600 and the clients in various sizes between 1600x1200 and 2560x1600.
With a large monitor setup, and high resolution. Magicly the performance goes **** with multiple clients. You should stop thinking everyone run **** hardware like the one you have. When one manages to undock from the ungodly lag from the much unwanted captains quarter its smooth nomatter where you ho. Only CQ laggs to infinity.
I'm not sure if your specs have anything to do with your competence but the thing is my s**** rig does the job where yours does not.I admit I insulted you on purpose as I assumed you're just one of those flamers that are unhappy whatever you throw at them. So if it's not your case I aplogise. On the other hand though why the heck did you put up a ati machine for eve (if it is for eve only).
I have an AMD/ATI only system running EVE just fine. In fact, CQ runs just a bit cooler than in-space, for my 6870. Then again, I don't do multi-display. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
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Cyrinth kosh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:48:00 -
[1130]
Hello Ccp!
First of, im a semi-new player. Started playing about 1,5 years ago and was really impressed with your game. I took a brake and went on ganking in the world of Azeroth. But because of blizzards new policy to pump out as much money they can before WoW is dead, i took my mouse and keyboard and moved on. And because my experience with EvE had been a more then good one, i came back. That impression EvE left me with is even stronger today, having played incarna for a few days.
That said, this is a brave leap into the new generation of Mmo¦s and it might get a bit bumpy along the road. But whatever you do, dont stop! You are onto something, and from here on it can only get better!
Unfortunatly, there is always people who resent changes, who cant deal with the fact that mmo¦s isent a constat, but a world that ever so often change. Wich brings me to the recent protests in the major tradehubs. Why? cant you see by doing so you ruin other people¦s gameplay and gameexperience. No, i dont say that your cause isent fair, but try to see it from another point of aspect. What Ccp is trying to do is give us a better game all in all, yes there are a few hickups and faults to fix im sure, but in the long run im sure they will even the odds out. Not untill they realease a patch can they grasp the full effect of their changes. So, let them analyze the info and see what they can change. Give it time. I just cant see the point of lagging out a complete system just becuase you feel wronged.
When it comes to players in generall, my hat¦s of for them. I have always held EvE players in high esteem, and comparing them to other communitys is hard. EvE players are often very helpful and in many ways very polite.
Im glad to be back and im having a blast. Thank you to Ccp for making this universe, and thanks to the players for bringing that universe alive! Fly safe
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:52:00 -
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1. Please put ability to be aboard your ship while docked back in game. It makes absolutely no sense that every single docking requires disembarking from your ship. I know you want to force people into their avatars in order to begin to get people used to the RMT mindset, but it is ridiculous especially considering that being in your avatar does nothing at this stage of WIS.
2. My Minmatar's skin is orange.
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Kuni Chiwa
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:21:00 -
[1132]
Let me clear something up as you are clearly confused. micro - extremely small in scale or scope or capability
1. Very small or microscopic. 2. Basic or small-scale
Not that I care about vanity items. I play this game to fly ships and blow stuff up not look at an avatar in a station. Fix and improve that side of the game and you will be on a winner. You want more subscriptions then add new content not new features.
Introduce a new race. With a new race comes more faction warfare, new ships, new weapons, new resists and new fleet combat. The staff that are telling you that micro transactions are the way to go are going to kill your game and your business. As a business owner that provides a service I can tell you that people don't like change. Give them what they want not what you want and make them pay for that.
Good luck fixing this one CCP.
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Laruen Pleides
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:42:00 -
[1133]
I ramble a bit, and this really is just thoughts and feedback for the devs. Users will likely find it boring, feel free to skip.
Going with things as they are currently (ignoring any speculation on where CCP may be headed with things based on e-mails and memos):
I've been in Eve for half a year or so (yes, I'm posting with an alt). As someone who got used to "the way things were", accepting the change that Incarna brings has been frustrating due to the number of bugs that seem to have shown up, inconsistency with performance, and, as others have pointed out, the apparent lack of actual game play content.
That being said, when trying to look at Incarna from a new player perspective, I think that the Captains Quarters may suffer in popularity because of its limitations. I realize that WiS is still a ways off, and taking that into consideration, new players may find themselves wondering what the point of CQ is. Using various graphics settings in order to get my system to smoothly handle running 3 accounts, I was able to see the CQ with features enabled or disabled, and over all, the finished look definitely needs more work.
Removing the old docking area (ship spinning) seems to be a poor judgement on CCP's part. Not just because users, obviously, are upset with it, but because it doesn't make logical sense to get out of your ship every single time you come by to just drop off ore, or deliver a courier package for a level 1 mission. In realistic terms, you wouldn't leave your ship, you'd simply have your crew, or perhaps the dock workers, empty the cargo hold and then be on your way.
I'm sure it would cause more outrage from people who are going to be outraged no matter what you do, but a technical explanation as to why this was chosen would be nice. If the docking/ship-spinning was a different environment, program-wise, than being in-space, then I can see where it might be overkill to have a person go from one type of graphics environment to another, and then to yet another to get to CQ. If there is concern at CCP that new players would simply forget the CQ was there, I think they underestimate the draw that walking in station will have once it is implemented.
The setup of the CQ is decent. You can get your avatar hung up on some places, and it would appear that your developers took the time to limit the locations where an avatar can walk (which may have been unnecessary (who cares if you can walk on your couch? :) ) The media center is nice. I like the way the big screen rotates through various stuff, but I have some specific feedback on that: Eve is a science *fiction* based game. It is set in the *far* future, in a totally different galaxy. I do *not* EVER want to log into the CQ, and see a freaking commercial on that big screen for Dominos, McDonalds, or the like. Make your money via micro-transactions, but please do not try and turn that monitor into a real life Television.
It would be nice if the monitors were a little more interactive in the CQ environment (as opposed to, for example, clicking on the planetary interaction screen and having it pop open the standard window for it). The use of the big monitor as a way to display ships and ship data is a great idea. Expand on it and let users use the monitor to browse ships. I would guess that in the future, your plans for CQ may include allowing corp-buddies into your own CQ, and from the purely social interaction angle of it, having something like that would provide a way for small groups to discuss ship variations and fittings. Could be a decent educational tool.
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JusyFrut
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:09:00 -
[1134]
Im gonna be brief, incarna is complete ****.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:12:00 -
[1135]
Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 26/06/2011 23:12:57 Not gonna read 38 pages of grief.
I do want to say that I was sad and diappointed to find the WASD movement of the avatar awkward and buggy. It's like ... you guys have been working on this for how long (?) and haven't got that right?
Right now - this is how it works.
Hit forward - you go forward Hit left - you go left Hit right - you don't turn 90 degrees to the right - you reverse course 180 degrees going to what had been the right when you first went forward. duh ...
It seems as if the directions are fixed and what you're telling the avatar to do is go north, go west, go east - because that is how it acts.
Of course - what the character should be doing - is turning in the direction of the control until the control is released. Not 90 degrees at a time but continuously, smoothly, turning 360 degees - all the way around as the control is held down - not in 90 degree jerks.
Now - I assume this is just a first effort but ... for Pete's sake ... it is pitiful.
Go play Planetside or some other developed WASD game for a while and look at how the avatar's move there. That is what I expected.
As to the turret effects ... *sigh* ... eye candy that is going to require me to re-memorize all those weapons ...
As to the Nobel Exchange? Do I care?
. Orbiting vs. Kiting Career Agents
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:15:00 -
[1136]
Originally by: Kimimasa My computer is 8yrs old and handles 3 clients easily.
Really? SM3 was released in 2004 ....
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Zeoraima Celestial
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:03:00 -
[1137]
Bring Back spining ships, please.
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Serpenser
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:17:00 -
[1138]
1. Captains quarters are way to dark. Increase ambient lighting. 2. WASD controls are unintuitive. Just do what other games do. 3. Zooming is weird. Just do what other games do. 4. Character moves too slow. Speed them up. 5. When sitting on couch looking at main screen the fonts are too small and difficult to read. Increase font size.
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Paxamarria
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:22:00 -
[1139]
Recommend three choices for in station environments to meet the needs of a wider subscription base.
1. Image of door. - Benefits = Great for low end older computers. Fast loading and undocking. Critical during engagements. 2. Just the ship spinning in hangar (Pre-Incarna standard). - Benefits = Good low end to medium grade computers. Fair loading and undocking. Helpful during engagements. Improves the virtual experience. This is no longer an option. 3. Your new Incarna option. - Benefits = A wonderful platform for CCP to present all their well intended efforts and game development. Improves the virtual experience. Problem: Extremely long loading and undocking time. Terrible for engagements. Turrets: New in station turret icons are too dark. Difficult to identify. Recommend improving on the stylized icons. Suggest making them easier to read and recognize at a glance.
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murbash
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Posted - 2011.06.27 05:37:00 -
[1140]
Incarna - definitely not worth the wait, would like to know what they where smoking when they set the prices for Noble Exchange, and the suggestion about allowing new players to buy Xp points is a kick in the nuts, CCP is just getting a little to greedy
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Harlei Quinn
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Posted - 2011.06.27 06:28:00 -
[1141]
CCP,
First I would like to thank you for all the obviously ridiculous amount of time and work you have put into this game and update (I really enjoy the world you have created).
There are a few things, however, that I would like to suggest:
-You've done an excellent job creating CQ for the highest end hardware, but the new challenge will be making it to where the majority of the community can use it without cooking an egg on the processor or requiring them to buy a new computer (which they won't do). Being able to dumb CQ down for the "normal" computer and still make it look good is a must as you move forward.
-The functionality has been reduced when CQ is turned off by not having instant access to our current ship (the aesthetics are also severely reduced). Functionality is where we live, so this is probably priority #1.
-The "vanity items", in addition to being severely overpriced for what players are typically willing to pay for (you know what your programming costs are, so that's up to you but it's out of my comfort zone, price-wise), are also NOT the items that most players want. I was actually pretty underwhelmed by the options, which look almost the same as what we have available for free. The items a LOT of people would buy are (in order): all black leather trench-coat without a bunch of weird stuff on it that makes it look like the village people (ex: http://productsuperstores.com/ck/images/Mens%20Black%20Leather%20Trench%20Coat-GFTR.jpg), normal glasses and sunglasses that don't make us look like Columbian drug lords, a desert eagle pistol, a sawed-off combat shotgun, and then the carny crowd stuff like pimp hats, chainsaws, cowboy hats, Jason masks, mexican sombreros, etc.
-Finally, the ONE THING that most players would buy isn't offered...a password authenticator. These are cheap and blizzard's been doing them for years for players who have (comparatively) far less invested in their accounts. It's the ONLY way of being 99.9% sure you don't get your account stolen (it forces it to be an inside job) and shouldn't be THAT difficult to implement. Particularly with all the time you've spent on account security and the number of 3rd party software available and being used, this should be a no-brainer. These should be sold at a reasonable price (no more than $10US and preferably $5US + shipping).
Hope this helps and keep working hard to make our game great!
Harlei Quinn
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Usha Endisil
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Posted - 2011.06.27 06:39:00 -
[1142]
Buying SP?!
Please dont do this, im begging you. One of the best things about this game is the bit where you have just spent 25 days training a skill and its finally finished and you tell everyone in corp and the grats roll round. If you put in an option to buy XP there will be no sense of achievment and you might as well be playing the Smurfs or Original Gangstaz or any other game that you can spend loads of money to 'cheat' you way to a higher level.
Not only that but the long skill training and very steep learning curve has kept all the console kiddies and idiots from sticking at this game. It has kept it a mature player base and I know that being able to buy SP will cause loads of these idiots to come and play this wonderful game because they can get to the top easily and quickly. We dont want these people in this game, let them carry on playing thier PS3's and Xbox's.
Please dont be greedy and dont bring buying SP to the table, it will kill this game.
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Drakkhar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:19:00 -
[1143]
Edited by: Drakkhar on 27/06/2011 07:19:44 Let me put it short and sweet.
1. The captains quarters was a half @$$ release attempt to test the water with the real Incarna proposal. And it was not delivered as expected or demonstrated.
2. The vanity items are ridiculously priced in terms of a. Actual pricing of vanity items compared to competing products and b. are totally overpriced when compared to the in game market. In short, it was a poor attempt or ccp to attempt to make extra cash. The model of how this aspect of the game works needs to be revisited. This could be far more profitable, fun, and competitive than it stands currently. Also: I see a lot of talk about many great items (vanity items) added to the market. Let's correct this, it is two uniforms, that are the same no matter what factions station you are in. There is not a lot of selection. Poor.there is a serious misconnect between what is happening herewith the game (product) and the well founded story and culture within the game itself.
I am beginning to loose faith in CCPs ability to deliver what they promise consumer. Each expansion seems to get cut more and more but the sales pitched remains strong an all too often we see great components of expansions suddenly disappear which have been promised all along. This is no acceptable. There's some Blizzardidus goin on in the house of CCP.
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Zxmagus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:54:00 -
[1144]
the one thing i do like about CQ is the news screen please do more with this and make it update more often, it might turn into the new station spinning if done right.
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MasterChief351
Gallente Atlas Research Group Vanguard Venture Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:59:00 -
[1145]
I didnt bother reading through all the trollers but il just say for ship spinng
1.Go to Fitting Window 2.Wait For Loading[My PC takes ages] 3.Use your mouse and move it around really fast 360degrees style
Ship Spinning Is Still Around Just not as epic as it used to be.
And Il Say Well Done CCP.I mean iv been here since the middle of Apocrypha and when i started looking at the forums the amount of people going nuts over how crap they think the expansion is.
.Its Free .Yes they need to work on there timing... .They Always Deliver In My Opinion.I just seem to have a more open mind then most here
You Can Always "turn off" CQ if you dont like it.And You DONT HAVE TO Walk In the stations.YOU DONT HAVE TO Buy stuff in the Noble Exchange.You dont have to troll all the time on patch day.you dont have to dock in stations,Grab all your assets and just live in a POS.If I see you with the sign "Will Self Destruct Pod For Fresh Air" il watch your ship ,Go out get some sun.[The idea came to me if you max out your graphics could you get a tan from the Sun In-System]Watch TV.Do whatever it is you do when you dont play eve,I know for some of us thats nothing cause you just play eve.
Well Thats Me Finished For Now...
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Aero Zolic
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:54:00 -
[1146]
New turrets are cool. I don't care about CQ. I just want to spin my ship in station like I've done for years. I'd like to see new and fixed launchers next. TIA
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:01:00 -
[1147]
Drones being damaged by area of effect incidents in missions. Really?
I just ran "The Anomaly 1/3" and had THREE ENTIRE FLIGHTS of drones shot into structure. With the 50% drone HP bonus. Without being able to do **** about it.
This is yet another attempt to balance carriers / supercarriers for some **** or the other, but who gets slapped in the face? The guy trying to run missions with drones. The same drones that already have less DPS AND travel time before they apply damage.
Seriously... who makes these decisions? I honestly want to know. Who decides this? Please answer to this post and tell me why you thought this could possibly be a good idea.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:29:00 -
[1148]
Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 27/06/2011 12:31:11
Originally by: Shooter McGavvin
Wow, what a disaster this has turned into. People always b*tch about new updates, that's simply the way it works in online gaming communities, but the overwhelming disdain for Incarna goes way beyond that. The silence from the Devs reminds me of Frankenstein with a mob of angry villagers surrounding him in the castle with pitchforks and torches.
When I first read this =
Then I thought about it =
Now I just feel =
Soon I will be =
CCP, you really need to address the issues caused by this last expansion. Roll it back for more testing, send it back for more developing, cut it back on resource taking, etc.
Whatever you decide to do, do it asap.
Last and certainly not least, keep the players informed and stay true to your word.
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Slayer Girl
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:42:00 -
[1149]
Incarna blows. I can barley use my other account so im letting it expire.
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Slayer Girl
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:49:00 -
[1150]
I really wish more had been added as far as space game play, lag-reduction, new modules, weapons, ships, ect. The ability to change ship skins would have been wildly more popular than toons portraits IMO. INCARNA has increased lag to the point where I cannot run multiple accounts. The station lag is terrible. Changing ships is more difficult. undocking blackscreens forever. And walking in stations is stupid.
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Van Muchbetterer
Minmatar EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:24:00 -
[1151]
First of all, i'm quite new to EVE, so all of this comes from a new player(2-3 months).
- Nex. Yes, it's strange that i have to pay more after i payed for the game, yes the current situation about nex and CCP plans about it is... interesting, but(you may take it as a survey answer) after some thinking i come to the fact that i would actually buy something cosmetic from that store if the range was a lot wider and prices were really MICRO(1$-5$). On the other hand if it is possible i would like to be able to MAKE this items. Actually, why not let people to make this items, but charge them in AUR for renting the production lines, or paying taxes? Why? I'm immortal space warrior, i know nothing about pants, so if i want some, i need to hire an army of designers.
- CQ. Well, it is demanding and needs optimisation. Just imagine what will happen when we will be able to exit CQ to see, maybe, 50 other players at once in a bit more big and complex room. BUT! Why do i have to dock, than leave my ship in a capsule, than leave my capsule(wich is not a very pleasant experience), than dress, only to unload minerals from my ship/take new heap of ammo, undress, reenter the capsule and connect to the ship. So, yes, disembark button will be nice. If the old hangar code is already dumped, you can use fitting window as a background, until player decides to take a walk. I don't want to leave my ship until i have buisnes on the station.
The other thing here are screens. It would be greate if i could customise them. I'm not interested in bounties, or new players, but i might be interested inseveral market items, or something else. And of course it would be absolutely great to sit there and look a this beautiful pair of ****:
- But the main problem for me, i guess, is that this expansion does not add anithing really new in terms of activities. Yes, it's great for new players, who just start, it's great for CCP, and all of this is good, but i was like "oh... ok."
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Nabuch Sattva
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:28:00 -
[1152]
So... no comment from CCP?
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Xeracotyl
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:51:00 -
[1153]
Edited by: Xeracotyl on 27/06/2011 15:52:39 There are alot of interesting posts here in 39 pages and not everyone will spend the time to read all the resounding feedback from a small chunk of the community. CCP should create a survey or poll for Incarna features and every expansion here out right on their website and client log screen ads. Youll get a better perspective of how your product is doing from the entire player base. Ask some real questions based on these posts and the overall reception of Incarna.
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Vorlonia
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Posted - 2011.06.27 16:01:00 -
[1154]
Let's talk about immersion. Every time i leave the POD, my body goes through a process not very pleasant (If I'm right in the capsule is liquid, NO?), So go through this process several times a day, let's say 10 times x 2, coz Once you have left the POD, you need at some point to go back, and that would be 20 times a day for example. Please tell me if a person who is in their right mind could do this 20 times a day, only to drop what is in the ship, or just to change that ship.
So for God Sake, let us to decide when, and for what we need to leave the ship. |
Drakkhar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:01:00 -
[1155]
Originally by: Xeracotyl Edited by: Xeracotyl on 27/06/2011 15:52:39 There are alot of interesting posts here in 39 pages and not everyone will spend the time to read all the resounding feedback from a small chunk of the community. CCP should create a survey or poll for Incarna features and every expansion here out right on their website and client log screen ads. Youll get a better perspective of how your product is doing from the entire player base. Ask some real questions based on these posts and the overall reception of Incarna.
I second this.
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iooo1971a
Amarr Siberian Khatru.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:50:00 -
[1156]
The worst patch released ever (except agent finder). It degrades gameplay completelly. I'm balancing on the edge of cancelinng my 2 accounts.
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gargars
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:00:00 -
[1157]
While the new turret effects are cool (though some hate them) I have a big problem with the new icons for them. They all have a similar look that makes it hard to distinguish what they are for (not a good thing at all). Also the colors are so dark they are even harder to see, especially when targeting and the backdrop is dark (like space - derrr).
Anyway I hope this can be addressed... have heard many people with the same complaint.
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shar Depran
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:01:00 -
[1158]
Edited by: shar Depran on 27/06/2011 19:04:12 Dearest CCP,
Sorry for my earlier insults about script kiddies on crack let loose with crayons begging daddy to include their latest mindless creation in their so much vaunted INCARNA upgrade.
Well no IÆm not really, truth is this upgrade is totally pointless, degrades game play to the point one wonders why you continue logging in at all and to listen and read some of the arrogant crud being spouted by CCP as they try to spin off this obvious money grab because a few spotty faced trolls bought monocles is sickening in the extreme.
The fact that so many players have not only experienced severe problems with the station graphics since this upgrade in the form of poorly written code which to be quite frank smacks of early Duke Nukem, that there are grave concerns about the use CCP intend for this æNEWÆ retail outlet of there creation and all the miriade of other complaints should maybe have begun to sink in that this turn the game is taking is one the overall majority of the EVE community does not want or need forced upon them.
As such I would propose a simple fix for this, it would allow those of us, the majority by the way, to continue to enjoy the game in all itÆs many facets, and those of us that feel the desperate need for trinkets to co-exist, a simple turn it off button, which like almost every other aspect of EVE would allow the former group, and those that eventually come to their senses to remove this updates worst features, those involved with the stations and return to the original format.
If thatÆs not possible, and I can hear the spin already, then leave it just as it is, players staring at a door, still having there GPUÆs overheating until finally like so many before them they just log off and sign out from EVE.
And may the force be with you, especially that of the CEOÆs boot as you get fired, bunch of ignorant muppetÆs.
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Nethemas
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:43:00 -
[1159]
It just occurred to me that you folks used the same code that you navigate a ship with in CQ to move the player about and I suspect a hacked version of the same code for CQ environment itself as well. EPIC fail. I surely hope you're not using this for DUST. It's no wonder the player interface is so horribly clumsy and the system resource requirements are so ridiculous. Without a proper FPS engine powering all this CQ will not succeed. With all your macro-payment transactions you've decided are going to be core to Eve gameplay surely you could go license the Unreal engine or something.
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Shepherd Riddick
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:00:00 -
[1160]
if not already said:
pls bring back ship model/picture in station background.
Because: 1. I miss learning how ships look like. 2. I miss knowing my active ship. 3. I miss point 1 and 2 together with my laptop gpu beeing quiet. |
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VMFABlaze
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:52:00 -
[1161]
Well there seems to be a lot of unhappy players here... But these really are just a few compared to the thousands that play EVE Online...
I personally do like the new format, and I'm looking forward to new updates and upgrade's in the not to distant future... There allways miscontents when something new is presented in the gameing world...
CCP is the developers and have the knowlege and expertise to know what they're doing...
Gentleman and Ladies keep up the good work !!!
Incarna is awesome....
Blaze
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Magniras
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:26:00 -
[1162]
Upon finally entering the game I found nothing but awesome waiting for me. My only problem is slight lag but even then only in the CQ, in space everything is smooth as french silk pie. Only suggestion, allow the big tv to be used for youtube.
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Drakkhar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:13:00 -
[1163]
Originally by: gargars While the new turret effects are cool (though some hate them) I have a big problem with the new icons for them. They all have a similar look that makes it hard to distinguish what they are for (not a good thing at all). Also the colors are so dark they are even harder to see, especially when targeting and the backdrop is dark (like space - derrr).
Anyway I hope this can be addressed... have heard many people with the same complaint.
i have to strongly agree here. The new turret icons do not match the classic art direction of the icons for everything else in the game, this is major fail on behalf of the art department.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:42:00 -
[1164]
I've been playing in EVE off and on (mostly on) since June 2003. This update...wow, trying to be polite here...
Okay. The first term that comes to mind is "sucketh the big one".
1. CQ is currently useless. Yes its a "first step". Of course in the world of software, that equals: "You are now beta testing something not ready for primetime".
2. For a new player, this WOULD be a nice thing if it weren't so laggy/buggy/hardware crippling, as the NPE is really sweet, but after that...not so much. You have taken away ease of use (the hangar) and replaced it with bobbing head dolls of the WOW/Evercrack 3rd person silliness ilk.
My concept of "VR world" is obviously not what most "gamers" think of. I want to look out at the world through my virtual eyes...NOT stare at the back of my head. I GET 3rd person view when it comes to the ship, but when I get out of the pod, I'd like to NOT lose the immersion by seeing some cartoony figure bobbin' about on the screen.
Oh and thanks for blowing game continuity with CQ as well. We're in goo pods. But docking as it is currently negates all of the ingame lore/history/mechanics. Looks cute, but...where oh WHERE is the pod process we saw at FF awhile back? hmmmmmmm? -now THAT CQ would have been awesome...just sayin'.
On that subject, this has the look/n/feel of a seriously rushed out the door bugfest. I have to right click to exit a ship...but I'm obviously IN MY QUARTERS. Same issues with clone jumping and such. How this could have been overlooked bodes ill for what ELSE lies beneath the hood of the game.
2. System resources and fps are crud when in CQ. nuff said as its already been said multiple times.
3. Rest of the update? Where are the promised fixes to just tons of stuff that needs fixing? Where are the updates to FW? 0.0/lowsec? and the list goes on and on.
This patch/update feels like what it probably is...a beta test for other games, and THAT is a deep disappointment for this longtime player.
You asked.
Updated Arch64 Compiz-Linux Desktop Who is John Galt? |
Cyra Mangeiri
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Posted - 2011.06.28 07:04:00 -
[1165]
Since most things have been said (maybe even these), and my bug report is still waiting for reply, here are a couple of things with CQ that aren't game-breaking but annoying:
- Corp recruitment panel doesn't let you filter by roleplay, which is a pretty big oversight.
- Movement is clumsy, easiest way for me I found was to hold down left mouse button while walking and use that as a mouselook, but that's a sure ticket to carpal tunnel syndrome. Mouselook toggle would be nice, thank you very much.
- Text on the screen in the wall isn't clear enough to read, no matter the distance or detail level. Rolling text on top and bottom is readable, but the info text in the middle is not. Even if it is Minmatar CQ, you'd think they'd have HD displays.
- No shower or other hygiene stuff? Where does all that pod goo go? (this is not a gameplay feature, this is immersion!) Also, I can't lounge on my bed.
- I can't zoom out enough to be comfortable, one more level of zoom and I'd be happy. Also, camera always defaults to the closest zoom available. I get claustrophobic.
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Sagami Ayase
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:50:00 -
[1166]
EVE: Incarna ...Subscription cancelledÖ . |
Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:33:00 -
[1167]
Just noticed, sisters of eve is missing from agent finder. * Revolution changes worlds * CCP, players are watching, no empty promises. |
Voxinian
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:36:00 -
[1168]
Edited by: Voxinian on 28/06/2011 10:43:54 I can see the potential of the indoor station environment it will increase the immersion, atm it is very very boring as I can't do anything other then the things I already can do with the HUD menu's. The quarters needs more stuff. It lags to much (compared to space environment), hope that will be improved. Also the character movement is a bit awkward. An option to lock the camera and then move around might help.
Idea's for the quarters:
Food replicator. Buying food from the replicator and eating it with a nice animation will give you a short boost in skill training speeds. Some food will boost charisma, other food willpower and so on (limited/timed use only). The more skill points you have the more ineffective the boost will be. Great for new players thus.
Virtual slot machine/gamble mini games. Love to see something like that in my quarters to kill time and at the same time maybe increase my wealth... or lose some of it :)
Virtual pet/drone: Some interaction would be welcome, a virtual pet could be nice :)
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And the thing I miss the most is still not being able to create sub folders in the item inventory. Even when you sort everything and stack it it often is still a big blur of items. Being able to create a folder for ammo/weapons/minerals etcetera would be great. Looking forward to be able to do that.
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Voxinian
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:41:00 -
[1169]
Originally by: VMFABlaze Well there seems to be a lot of unhappy players here... But these really are just a few compared to the thousands that play EVE Online...
I personally do like the new format, and I'm looking forward to new updates and upgrade's in the not to distant future... There allways miscontents when something new is presented in the gameing world...
CCP is the developers and have the knowlege and expertise to know what they're doing...
Gentleman and Ladies keep up the good work !!!
Incarna is awesome....
Blaze
Almost fully agree. Give CCP a break already you negative people and let them develope it further. I can see the potential of the new extention.
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Masquitar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:14:00 -
[1170]
Edited by: Masquitar on 28/06/2011 11:14:25 I like Incarna a lot and although CQ looks awesome, the novelty has quickly worn off. Is there any word on when and what form the next step of Incarna will be?
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Lunce
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:21:00 -
[1171]
A lot of the rage that we have seen over the last several days has been growing stronger and stronger, largely due to the frustration generated by CCP's silence.
Fact is, a lot of this rage would have been largely mitigated by CCP simply posting a response that they do indeed hear our concerns, and will be working on addressing some of the concerns that people have been bringing up: that they are working hard on fixing the bugs and that they will improve functionality based on player feedback. Thanks for the great feedback!
But what CCP has shown time and again by their actions, is that they are hugely unconcerned by their player's opinions and desires for the game they are paying CCP for.
It seems to me that the biggest challenge within EVE is that CCP management and it's dev teams do not have the close connection with their player base that would turn a great game into a truly awesome game.
It's sad and very frustrating to the player base that cares so very much about this truly unique game.
I have seen critical responses to previous patches and that is normal and to be expected. But this time it could very well be (literally) game breaking. I have never seen this much outrage. There are large numbers of accounts being dropped (last I checked, over 5000.)
I can see only one hope: that CCP wakes up and starts using the CSM as the valuable tool they are in bridging the gap between the company's needs and the player's needs.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 -
[1172]
Just wanted to mention that the new player experience is probably an improvement.
I can see that the aim is to prevent the new player from avoiding the career agent missions by not paying squat for the tutorials, removing the asteroids from them and directing the player to the career agent school with the last tutorial mission.
Oh and it was nice to hear Aura's voice again.
Now ... if only you add back the line where she says "... and let us go." That was so cool.
If there is a way to turn off the Captains Quarters Experience - it's not mentioned as it should be. The whole Loading process and all the lag associated with it - just to drop off some ore REPEATEDLY - was just a bad idea. I know ... you put all this work into it and ... it sucked ... but you wanted us to play with it anyway. Well it sucks. It really, really sucks and I don't need to go through a sucky experience every single solitary time I come in the station to drop off some ore.
What you should have - is an Enter Captains Quarters function - which has to be executed in order to put the character on the balcony. Why make us go to all the trouble to get out of the ship if we're just dropping off some ore and going back.
And - OBTW - it really sucks on old machines - old machines I might add that played Planetside (which was entirely avatar based) just fine.
Orbiting vs. Kiting Career Agents
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Voxinian
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:38:00 -
[1173]
Originally by: Lunce
Fact is, a lot of this rage would have been largely mitigated by CCP simply posting a response that they do indeed hear our concerns, and will be working on addressing some of the concerns that people have been bringing up: that they are working hard on fixing the bugs and that they will improve functionality based on player feedback. Thanks for the great feedback!
Watching all the hostile reactions from the sideline the last days it is no surprise that they remain silent for a while. I can understand the anger of the players (even though I don't agree), but thats not the way to start a dialog with the devs/CCP. It creates the opposite effect.
Ohh and that people are leaving even if it is 5000 accounts does not mean that much. I've seen it with other games too that had a conflict with players that left, Disgruntled players leave and will be replaced with new players that will be happy campers. From a strategic business point of view it can actually be a good thing that a mass of negative players leave. It may hurt on short term, but long term it will result in less negativity and a new positive user base.
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Masquitar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:10:00 -
[1174]
Originally by: Voxinian
Originally by: Lunce
Fact is, a lot of this rage would have been largely mitigated by CCP simply posting a response that they do indeed hear our concerns, and will be working on addressing some of the concerns that people have been bringing up: that they are working hard on fixing the bugs and that they will improve functionality based on player feedback. Thanks for the great feedback!
Watching all the hostile reactions from the sideline the last days it is no surprise that they remain silent for a while. I can understand the anger of the players (even though I don't agree), but thats not the way to start a dialog with the devs/CCP. It creates the opposite effect.
Ohh and that people are leaving even if it is 5000 accounts does not mean that much. I've seen it with other games too that had a conflict with players that left, Disgruntled players leave and will be replaced with new players that will be happy campers. From a strategic business point of view it can actually be a good thing that a mass of negative players leave. It may hurt on short term, but long term it will result in less negativity and a new positive user base.
Totally agree. Furthermore, all this fuss made by players/ex-players is helping to raise the profile of Eve Online in the wider MMO comminities. That's going to make a lot more people curious to see what all the fuss is about, and thus, more new players.
They're helping Eve get publicity it wouldn't otherwise have had.
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Jinodar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:16:00 -
[1175]
There was a patch?
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Gainard
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:44:00 -
[1176]
Edited by: Gainard on 28/06/2011 12:45:29
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
[...]
If there is a way to turn off the Captains Quarters Experience - it's not mentioned as it should be. The whole Loading process and all the lag associated with it - just to drop off some ore REPEATEDLY - was just a bad idea. I know ... you put all this work into it and ... it sucked ... but you wanted us to play with it anyway. Well it sucks. It really, really sucks and I don't need to go through a sucky experience every single solitary time I come in the station to drop off some ore.
[...]
To deactivate CQ pres ESC go to the graphics options. I forgot the entries name, but its where you set the anti alias etc.
Improves load times a ton and thus mining effectiveness.
@CCP Since Incarna 101 is being deployed: PLEASE inform players ahead of time if you deploy a patch! I would like to ensure my skill queue is not running dry. I log in after DT and play for 3-5 hours. Then bed, work and next DT. If I know about a patch I can add a longer skill, but once in a while i need to complete a skill. Being limited to 24hrs at adding a new skill any unannounced extended downtime potentially costs me skill training time. I already lost skill training time due to this.
I like the new mining laser effect. Besides this I am more in line with the people comlaining in this thread. I am not considering quitting though - I just dislike CCP favouring adding unwanted content or "balancing" over bug/gameplay fixing.
-------------------------------------- And I said: Pirates? What pirates would be interested in the few rocks I have mined? 3 Minutes later I was warping back to station - in my egg... |
Xemnus
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:44:00 -
[1177]
Originally by: Gainard Edited by: Gainard on 28/06/2011 12:45:29
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
@CCP Since Incarna 101 is being deployed: PLEASE inform players ahead of time if you deploy a patch! I would like to ensure my skill queue is not running dry. I log in after DT and play for 3-5 hours. Then bed, work and next DT. If I know about a patch I can add a longer skill, but once in a while i need to complete a skill. Being limited to 24hrs at adding a new skill any unannounced extended downtime potentially costs me skill training time. I already lost skill training time due to this.
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^ This.
As soon as I got my new computer up and running, after tons of corrupted full downloads of Eve Online, and researching the reason, solving the problem, and redownloading Eve Online again, its finished... then attempting to log on and... Patch! Incarna screwed me up, because the computers I had only had graphics cards that did not support shader model 3. Wasted a week of a empty training queue. When are we going to allow Eve Gate to change skill queues?
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JUSTDANGER
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:47:00 -
[1178]
Wow another patch and this time its late getting back up ! Why am i nat surprised?
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Gainard
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:55:00 -
[1179]
Actually as of right now its not late - yet... And I said: Pirates? What pirates would be interested in the few rocks I have mined? 3 Minutes later I was warping back to station - in my egg... |
Arja Marketta
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:03:00 -
[1180]
Captain's quarters: - mouse zoom doesn't work when you're seated - First person view would be nice, e.g. by zooming in completely - It would be good to be able to re-centre the camera on something other than your avatar, in order to look around. As this is not (yet) an FPS, gameplay considerations regarding camera movement shouldn't apply. - In some locations the lighting interacts with avatar faces to make them look fugly, far beyond the degree required to depict the harshness of space life - 3D interface elements aren't always clickable even when they have appeared; perhaps it's that you have to be nearer to click than you have to be to have them appear. This is confusing. - It should be possible to change clothing without making a new portrait pic each time. - I'm unable to do stuff like climb on the furniture - it feels very much like my avatar is "on rails" in terms of where it can move to. For true immersivity, stuff like that will become important. - Have I missed something? where's the Run/Walk button? - Please please add an option checkbox somewhere to reverse the zoom direction of the mouse wheel, so that people like me, who might occasionally play other games at all, can make the mouse behave as it does in every other PC game in the world. (Same applies in space, actually.)
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Goin Off
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:36:00 -
[1181]
MY PETITION:
I don't care for Incarna, the captains quarters, and the apparent direction CCP is taking EVE either. I would like to have back the option of the old view when docked in the station where you see the ship you are piloting. If you plan on turn EVE into into a game where you have to do the "DUST" first person shooter stuff I' don't think you'll be able to count on me continuing to play EVE online and I will cancel my two subscriptions. I haven't spoken to anyone in my corp or alliance that cares for the move to Incarna and wonder how much customer research CCP has done and how much perceived demand there is. I would hope that CCP has done their homework. If nothing else please allow those of us who don't care for the recent changes brought on with Incarna and allow us to "OPT OUT" of Incarna.
Thanks,
Goin Off, Gone Off
CCP RESPONSE:
Hi,
Thank you for your feedback, itÆs appreciated. We in Customer Support cannot comment on or answer questions directly in regards to the further development of the recently added game features. For official CCP responses on questions and concerns raised by the community, keep an eye on our Dev Blogs:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp
We also recommend posting on the forums to provide further feedback:
The Incarna feedback thread:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532928&page=39
Features and Ideas Discussion thread:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=3523
Rest assured that the development teams are monitoring the forums closely for feedback at the moment.
Best regards,
Lead GM Panzer
EVE Online Customer Support
Even after deployment of 1.0.1 Incarna still sucks, and you can quote me if you like!
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Magniras
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:38:00 -
[1182]
Originally by: Goin Off
I don't care for Incarna, the captains quarters, and the apparent direction CCP is taking EVE either.
QQ more or cancel your subscription.
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Sindjin Hawke
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:03:00 -
[1183]
At this point with all of the performance problems I have, Id rather just have "Incursion with new Turrets".
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Krys Skar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 19:52:00 -
[1184]
Dear CCP,
I have being playing since 2008 but this is my first post. I am not a big fan of forums in general; it must be the age thing û mine is well above your average player!
So, at the moment, I have only one major concern. Since we go directly from space to CaptainÆs Quarter when docking, one looses the feeling of being a capsuleer. This is sad because being a capsuleer is an intrinsic element of EVE. Also the pod should be more visible from the ship hangar. I didnÆt see it at all the first day and it is barely recognizable.
A transition video like the Incarna Teaser would emphasize how unpleasant it is to be incarnated for the semi-gods we are. I am not talking a personalized animation (showing our own character in the pod) but an anonymous generic video.
I was waiting for Incarna with a lot of enthusiasm. It is visually stunning but doesnÆt add anything to the gameà yet! But I am a patient man and I have confidence that in time INCARNA will look something like the command center we could see from the DUST 524 trailer debut (ref. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYkuZLxAWBo ; 0.36-0.46min). And who knows maybe one day IÆll be able to walk in my own labs (POS)!
Best regards and may you fly safe, Krys Skar
PS> Sorry if you feel this is bad english, it is not my native language!
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steveking
Gallente Mass Effect.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:11:00 -
[1185]
Even if people can buy ships,ammo,whatever there is a salution.Find these people destroy their property over and over,they will get tired of spending real life money and quit.
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steveking
Gallente Mass Effect.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:12:00 -
[1186]
Me and my real life girlfriend play eve together.We love this game.quiting will be sad,but it will give us more time for other important things to do.
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Lunce
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Posted - 2011.06.29 05:29:00 -
[1187]
Originally by: Masquitar
Originally by: Voxinian
Originally by: Lunce
Fact is, a lot of this rage would have been largely mitigated by CCP simply posting a response that they do indeed hear our concerns, and will be working on addressing some of the concerns that people have been bringing up: that they are working hard on fixing the bugs and that they will improve functionality based on player feedback. Thanks for the great feedback!
Watching all the hostile reactions from the sideline the last days it is no surprise that they remain silent for a while. I can understand the anger of the players (even though I don't agree), but thats not the way to start a dialog with the devs/CCP. It creates the opposite effect.
Ohh and that people are leaving even if it is 5000 accounts does not mean that much. I've seen it with other games too that had a conflict with players that left, Disgruntled players leave and will be replaced with new players that will be happy campers. From a strategic business point of view it can actually be a good thing that a mass of negative players leave. It may hurt on short term, but long term it will result in less negativity and a new positive user base.
Totally agree. Furthermore, all this fuss made by players/ex-players is helping to raise the profile of Eve Online in the wider MMO comminities. That's going to make a lot more people curious to see what all the fuss is about, and thus, more new players.
They're helping Eve get publicity it wouldn't otherwise have had.
While it may be true that this conflict may be raising the profile of EVE on the wider MMO community, the fact remains that you do not build a strong community by enraging a large portion of the player base.
This is not the outcry you often see with new patches that change elements of the game some players hold dear. In this case the rage is actually mostly justified when you consider that CCP has broken several promises. Among them was the promise that players would have the choice of using the old hanger or the new CQ. Broken promise. Another promise was that whatever they turned out would not have a major negative effect on the players who have older hardware. Broken promise.
What has the majority of players frothing at the mouth, however, is not so much the broken promises (bad as that is) but rather the fact that they have not posted anything to debunk the concern that game affecting items will eventually be purchasable with AUR. This would change the very nature of the game and impact it in a majorly negative way, in that players with disposable RL money would be able to purchase standings, ships, mods, SP, etc. In other words, have an unfair advantage over players who can not or will not buy these advantages.
By not coming out and stating flatly that this will not happen, CCP's silence lends credence to the fear that CCP may in fact be planning to move in that direction.
That is what has people so upset.
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Lunce
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Posted - 2011.06.29 07:35:00 -
[1188]
And before anyone brings it up, I do not mean the existing practice of buying plexes with RL money and selling them for ISK. You're still limited to buying what is available to everyone else. I'm talking about game affecting items and perks that can ONLY be bought with AUR.
This results in first and second class players. You see this in many 'free' MMO games where those who pay a subscription or who pay to buy powerful items have an advantage over those who do not.
Now, playing devil's advocate: In looking back at some of the early discussion of the 'Micro Market' I seem to remember there being discussion of items from the 'Micro Market' making their way to the general EVE market and so being purchasable using ISK. Therefore these 'Micro Market' items would become available to everyone who did not want to pay RL money for them.
But only marketable items. It is a slippery slope CCP is walking. It starts with mundane items. Soon, however, they can start offering for sale things like standings, SPs, etc.
CCP needs to be forthcoming with their long term plans for this new feature. Yes, CCP holding the rights to the code can do whatever they want with the game. It is, however, the paying customers who ultimately dictate the type of game they want to be playing.
It has happened before (rarely) that MMO companies have enraged their player base to the point that enough players left, causing the collapse of the company.
Please CCP, don't let corporate arrogance alienate your player base.
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4CID 8URN
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:19:00 -
[1189]
shame on u all... @ccp - new expansion is awesome and its looks how its should be.
P.S. the only things i agree with r return of old ship-hangar view (mode/option), and abit lower prices for monocle^^
o7
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Ernar Astrandur
Amarr Oris Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:47:00 -
[1190]
Originally by: Krys Skar So, at the moment, I have only one major concern. Since we go directly from space to CaptainÆs Quarter when docking, one looses the feeling of being a capsuleer. This is sad because being a capsuleer is an intrinsic element of EVE. Also the pod should be more visible from the ship hangar. I didnÆt see it at all the first day and it is barely recognizable.
Krys nails down my exact feelings as well. What's the point for e.g. changing ships or loading more ammo to:
- leave your pod
- get up the ladder (naked I presume) to the CQ gangway
- get dressed
- get undressed
- walk out to the balcony and down the ladder to the pod (naked?)
- enter the pod and fly to your other or same ship
Nor very fun to RP...
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Mikoyan Gureyvich
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Posted - 2011.06.29 11:20:00 -
[1191]
I'm very new to Eve - I started 2 days before Incarna was released. I have to say I'm in awe by the breadth and depth of the game and look forward to exploring New Eve.
However, this update seems...rough. Like it wasn't tested very well. Does CCP offer beta testing or are all releases this disruptive? And how often are these kind of releases?
Just curious.
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Patch Logan
Caldari Madripoor Svcs Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:39:00 -
[1192]
So, it has come to this... I am also, not your average teen gamer, and have had a character in EVE since 2006. Simply put, this game speaks to my space-faring, sci-fi/reading and dreaming self, at a level untouched by even my MechWarrior days...
I have been looking forward to DUST 514 with a fever, even discounting the fact that it is only going to be on PlayStation and its lousy network, I'll still be getting one for DUST, and DUST will be the only PS game I play or own (On a side note, I'd love to see some elements of Tabula Rasa in the DUST 514 gameplay).
So it was with eagerness I looked forward to this new expansion. Finally, something to "see"! Unfortunately, as with Tabula Rasa, while the eye candy is sweet, the limited functionality of the overall addition, leaves so much to be desired, that as Tabula Rasa went, so may this go. That being said, I'll leave you with all I find endearing, and what needs serious attention...
Endearing List - 1. Seeing my bird from a personal perspective, instead of the in-station security camera point of view. 2. Pod pilots can walk! 3. Updated graphics - I LOVE the new turrets - specifically, the more clearly scientific suspension of disbelief... AutoCannons now look and fire, like one! Same with every other distinction between the gunnery types... Rails, Blasters, Pulse or solid lasers, Autocannons or Artillery - those have been eye-sores for soooo long, THANKYOU for FIXING THAT! Also, Turret Animations - At one time EVE had recoil's visible on the gunnery devices... Thank you, for returning those! Now some Caldari love, please? Missile bay animations?
Serious Attention List - 1a. My birds are all the same size! Attempting to introduce the perspective, has lost it! I'm just sayin'... 1b. No more ship spinning - really? This talks more to the broken promises issue previously addressed by another poster, but much like the "No new Taxes" promise bit RR in the butt, so may this - especially in a game that "listens to its user base, to such a degree, that CCP has created a User council that interact with the developers". I see no interaction in the notes that comes close to this being a user requested feature... I'm just sayin'... 2a. WiS - this whole thing should have been better thought out - for instance, I can see a spartan place being "rented" to a pilot who has no office in the station, but those of us who spend some time in our office's, would like something way better than the spartan quarters, especially as some of us spend millions a month having an office there... And those w/ office's, should have been able to walk into a corporate interfacing room, with inventory, ship, Administrative access from 3D objects there, etc... Ultimately, this would have been a considerable win with the user base, had at least 3 more things been thought out - 1. Amount of walkable content, 2. the option to have the old interface, and 3. contextual implementation that doesn't loose the pilot his pod identity (since the ENTIRE history written of EVE, and space exploration in general, was because the sapient body in its natural state, couldn't endure the gravitational stress's, until the pod concept had been born... Pods and System Waygates are integrated into the story; now, we are attempting to diminish its importance? If you remember the original history, Pod's can't be put on and off like a set of cloth's - you're bio-engineered with a pod in mind, tasked with piloting. I'm just sayin'... 3a. Graphics - Serious impediment to even the hardiest of graphics cards - within 3 minutes of logging in, my GPU fan is maxed out, and stays that way til I log off. This was NOT the hardware friendly update as promised... And I happened to have gotten a newer card than I had back when that promise was made... I'm just sayin'...
"In space, no one can hear you scream..."
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Slumber Hawk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:52:00 -
[1193]
As a result to CCP's Chilliad's interview about Incarna.
Adding my grain of sand to the disappointment of all who already posted before me. In this, CCP, you could have taken a different route leading to the same, future to be, outcome.
No feature and ideas from my side will be put forward
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Mira Stargazer
Caldari Epic Warfare
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:26:00 -
[1194]
Edited by: Mira Stargazer on 29/06/2011 21:26:56 I like the upgrade except for one thing - the new turret icons. Icons should be icons that you can read and understand in an instant, not some strange artwork that you can't understand. They look like a mess of dark pixels on top of more dark pixels. I can't even tell salvagers from tractor beams anymore. Please roll back the old icons, or give them another overhaul!
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:59:00 -
[1195]
Originally by: Mira Stargazer Edited by: Mira Stargazer on 29/06/2011 21:26:56 I like the upgrade except for one thing - the new turret icons. Icons should be icons that you can read and understand in an instant, not some strange artwork that you can't understand. They look like a mess of dark pixels on top of more dark pixels. I can't even tell salvagers from tractor beams anymore. Please roll back the old icons, or give them another overhaul!
They actually look like black dog turds. Every time I look at that (yes, salvagers and tractor beams are considered turrets now too) I feel like scooping them off my screen with a spoon.
If this is the same colorblind guy who designed the ugly, bland, gray NeX clothes, fire him!
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Ze'ev Sinraali
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:12:00 -
[1196]
Please let us turn off the 'your special clothes will be removed' notification when clone jumping.
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lachrymus
Gallente Tie Rodarro Corp Hail Of God Society
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:01:00 -
[1197]
I thought from the build-up to Incarna, that we would see more of a docking process as part of CQ. You know, instead of the ship and background freezing for a second, then we're dumped in the station, more of a zoom into the station as the tractor beams grab the ship. Even a second or two of that would have added a little pizzazz to what is right now a bit of a ho-hum feature that adds little to the gameplay.
Sorry to be negative (I love the turrets btw) but I was hoping it would be so much more involving...
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PhallusDei
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:52:00 -
[1198]
Edited by: PhallusDei on 01/07/2011 14:52:46 Tell me Incarna is still on Alpha release please http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/crapx.png/
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Nabuch Sattva
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Posted - 2011.07.01 15:27:00 -
[1199]
Originally by: PhallusDei Edited by: PhallusDei on 01/07/2011 14:52:46 Tell me Incarna is still on Alpha release please http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/crapx.png/
^^ Maybe we should dock to station and automatically load Character Creator instead of captains quarters.
But relly, CQ doesnt use the innovative carbon framework??? What a dud.
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Grath Moncalimar
Minmatar Penumbra Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:23:00 -
[1200]
I have no real input on incarna other that to say it blows! The whole walking in stations/captains quarters is bunk, pretty, but bunk and the new currency... well, what a grab at our wallets. How crass. I would rather be naked and covered in pod goo that deck myself out in "vanity" items. In fact I miss spinning my ship in station... To boldly go...you know the rest, HA!
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2011.07.03 00:17:00 -
[1201]
I like the new strip miner effect. Loving the turrets, especially the new ones like salvaging modules.
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Rose Makanen
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Posted - 2011.07.03 00:52:00 -
[1202]
The new nebulaes gonna be epic, can't wait for it!
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.07.03 22:47:00 -
[1203]
OK, after playing Incarna for a while, I can post a full feedback.
CQ (negative): - CQ have some serious performance issues that doesn't allow a decent frame rate even on the lowest settings. It's far from finished and needs a lot of work. - It will take a while for me to change my habit of double clicking in empty space to open the cargo hold of my active ship, as I was doing for the last 5 years. - I don't know if it's in CQ as well, but when the environment is not loaded I can't drag-and-drop a ship in empty space to make it active. That kinda makes sense when you look at all the 3D menus implemented in CQ and think about how that could be implemented, but still the only option to activate a ship is to right click it and choose "Make Active" in the drop down menu. As I don't like drop down menus that much it would be cool to have some alternative way for activating a ship, preferably by using drag-and-drop somewhere on the interface.
CQ (positive): - I've tested it on my brother's PC and it looks fantastic. The performance is not an issue on his machine, but on the other hand money was not an issue for him when he bought the computer (with OCZ CPU cooler, upgraded GPU cooler and 5 case fans ). If, with some optimization, you can make CQ run on "normal" computers half as good as on high-end machines, CQ could really become an integral part of EVE. - Movement commands are natural. It didn't require me to adjust to the commands as in some other online games, but then again CQ is single player for now and happening on the client side. If you can keep the commands in multiplayer Incarna, that would be great. I find click+W with mouse guiding the best option for me (for now). - Bugs and glitches aside, I can't wait to see other racial CQs (especially the Gallente one, since I like the "organic" approach of designing Gallente ships). - And yeah... I've really seen my character for the first time
CQ (minor suggestion): - It would be cool to have a door between your quarters and the docking area. Since movement speed is constant, you can have them open automatically as your character approaches or close as you get away from them (proximity opening and closing). Yeah... I know... I don't like watching at "The Door" currently either, but the feeling of open space between CQ and docking bay is kinda weird.
In space (negative): - Many turret icons by the active target icon are hard to spot. They are either too small when you have multiple modules activated on the same target (old icons were not that small), too dark to be displayed properly (especially Minmatar ones), blend with the background environment or too complex to be scaled down and still be recognizable. - Salvager and tractor beam models are generally too small on most ships, including Noctis which is primarily used to fit those modules. I guess you went for the smallest ship as a model, so they wouldn't look oversized on frigates. Tractor beams have lost their beam effect, but that might be a bug. - Nerfing of jump bridges was supposed to be launched along with 0.0 industry rehauling expansion. The industry in 0.0 space just got even worse than it was before.
In space (positive): - New turrets look fantastic. I generally play on high model and texture quality and everything else on low or turned off (including shaders), and turret models still look good.
Game client (negative): - Starting up the client takes much longer than before and it locks up the whole computer with 100% CPU for 15-20 seconds. It's so bad that I can't even move my mouse properly while the client is starting.
Game client (positive): - It looks like some random crashes are gone now. - I'm not entirely sure, but I think the huge memory leak got somewhat fixed. The client can stay up longer than before without the need for a restart.
Haven't tried out yet: - Caldari jamming missions (don't run for Caldari) - Corporate recruitment menu - NeX store (I don't care for overpriced vanity items) |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.07.03 23:01:00 -
[1204]
Oh, and yeah...
ISK amount in the wallet should be placed back on he left side and there should be an option to turn off AUR balance in the wallet. If I ever get my hands on some AUR, it's easy to turn it back on, but for now it's looking ugly and taking up space for nothing.
Btw. if you wanted to color the AUR balance blue, you should color he ISK balance light green (like in the wallet) for positive balance and red for negative. That would make sense. Currently we have AUR balance as the most exposed one on the whole wallet page and many players, including me, won't even use it.
EVE's wallet with exposed AUR balance looks like some cheap Facebook wanna-be browser "game" and that's simply a bad taste (and annoying).
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Chainsaw James
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:59:00 -
[1205]
Serious post and as brief as I can. CQ is a cool immersive minigame if you want to imagine EVE in that way... It adds an RPG layer to the universe. It just wasn't 'the layer' for which your current subscribers were hoping. Suggestions: 1) Expand on PI and/or wormholes and sleepers, (new wormholes, new tech, new buildings, new skills), 2) hire an author to write a book and change the political landscape of EVE, escalate the cold war era in which EVE exists, or implement a change in allegiances, Empire or factional, 3) Instanced fleet battles where pilots of a ship class hook up and fight a set battle or engagement in EVE history, past or present... 4) Arena-style matchups, 5) Hate to say it: new ships... Many ways to improve the game... Can you focus your efforts on improving and expanding upon what makes EVE great? After Incarna, can you do that every time?
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Sulcis
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Posted - 2011.07.04 09:48:00 -
[1206]
you guys are just jealous.... hahaha !!!!!!!
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jaguda1
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Posted - 2011.07.05 07:28:00 -
[1207]
Please will you re-examine the Hulk modulated mining laser beams. These have been reduced to faint ineffectual blue/white/blue beams which are barely visible. Up close, ie if you're perched on one of the Hulks tailfins, the design, if faint, is ok. We're never perched on the tailfin or anywhere near while mining however. With an effective laser range of 23+ kilometers you just can't afford to be and observe the selected 'roids over a nearly 50 kilometer spread. The intensity needs to be jacked up probably 2 orders of magnitude for the beams to have any visual chance of recognition from the vantage of 30-40 kilometers. This is the top mining vessel in the game, lets have those lasers lashing across space like we used to. The sound is dead too. Time was I could hear a laser busily boring into a 'roid from my kitchen next door, not any more sadly. Why would you break such a satisfying thing? It makes no sense.
We miners don't have much and have to work hard for long hours with hostility and often derision from more combat focussed players, come on give us a break.
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Cris KillAlot
Minmatar Hooters and Looters
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Posted - 2011.07.05 13:17:00 -
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Hmm now that i played incarna for a while, i can safly say, din't bring any thing new to the game, say for the agent finder! Sure the towers poping in and out were cool the first 3-5 times, and same goes for CQ, which i disablede shortly to save load time when docing! since you can do any thing there any ways! i had hopede for a bit more content! Now the bog question is wen the next big Incarna patch? and will there be some game content in that or should i just leave CQ turned off there to? Mutan killer bunnys from space are not cute pets! |
ArmorCav
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Posted - 2011.07.05 13:20:00 -
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I don't like much of the so called improvements. The weapon icons on the HUD, look like blobs, you can't look at one and tell it apart from another, if this was done so they look like the animation, loose the animation, loose the video when u open up the client, we don't need to wait 30 seconds longer for the game to load. as for the walking around in a room, yea. it adds nothing to the game except lag.
The agents need to be addressed, there are no level 4 security agents in my area, this was so stupid, what was the thinking here, I would like to know - making the agents easier??? they weren't that difficult to understand, now is just difficult to find a security agent. The log doens't show player aggression??? so you have to wait around and add the aggressor as a contact to know who was shooting you. What were you thinking???
Keith Neilson said: "I think a part of me died this weekend. It has no clone, no new body to return in. The part of me that is no more is my faith in CCP. CCP created more than just a dream, they created a virtual world for us all to live and share in. In fun, in risk, in loss and in reward. It was more than just a game. EVE is not just real. It is a life. CCP created life.
But life requires, among other things, faith in its purpose and continuity. What unites us all behind the pixels, is that we are all human. Some in business, some in fun, but we all share and live. But the faith required for that, as it is not real life, is getting lost. CCP has a limited time in which they can make a choice, whether to resurrect this faith, and how, before it is lost forever. How can they do this?
This is how:
1 û Transparent and open reorganization of management practices, Sack those who are dead weight, keep those with talent get rid of those without. Everybody understands business culture, but it is a balance. Independent of dream and friendship. These things are not ôtoo corporateö, or mutually exclusive.
2 û Actively seek and nurture talent where you find it internally. Provide staff with clear career progression within CCP. No more ad hoc appointments. Provide a training program for those that want/need it. Everybody understands the temptations of ôpositivityö as an instrument of business. Unfortunately, you are dealing with human beings who are diverse, and this goes beyond the direct environment of CCP itself. Total pay, beats positivity hands down.
3 û Stop thinking that youÆre still 10 guys in an attic, youÆre not. We understand where you come from, we love you for it, we respect you for it. But there is a difference between those days, where you are now, and where as an enterprise you think you may already be (but are effectively still a long way from).
4 û Be honest and accountable to yourselves and your customers. It is one of your company values, transparency, and accountability is not a bad thing, if people have an open culture, are friends and colleagues and share the dream. And no, it is not ôtoo corporateö, if you just invest constantly in people, knowledge, instruments, and listen to the backbones of your company.
5 û You customers are not simply users of a service, they are partners in itÆs creation. Make use of that. The CSM is not enough as just an experiment, move on from that, as it is a business instrument. If you employees first response to an open letter doing exactly as the CEO wants to do is ôwe do not negotiate with terroristsö, you have a problem in your corporate culture. It is as Hilmar stated it, EVE is an emerging dynamic, as creators and host you are as much as a part of that as are you customers. That can be scary, yes, but it is also good. The potential for synergy does not conflict with this being your game. And yes, some of you have moved on to do things outside of CCP, but more livelihoods than yours matter.
6 û Communicate, both externally and internally, more effectively. The right hand needs to know what the left hand is doing."...
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Isobel Mitar
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.07.15 20:44:00 -
[1210]
Some feedback about female avatars in Incarna:
I really like the animations. Female avatar posture is also much better than it used to be in testing stage. However, there are still a few problems.
1) The hips and neck are much better than they used to be, but the female upper torso/back are still bit too arched, creating an unnaturally tilted and pushed-out bust along with shoulders that are behind the hips in vertical line when viewed from the side. As a consequence, the basic posture looks still somewhat uncomfortable and artificial. Perhaps tilt the ribcage to be little more vertical and possibly also move it forward a tiny bit for a straighter back?
2) Additionally, and likely at least in part because of the previous posture issue, the female avatar looks like she is continuously leaning slightly backward and is almost about to fall.
I feel these changes would give the female avatar both a more natural look, and ability to project a stronger presence.
The problem of smallest available bust size has been taken up elsewhere already; but as a short version being able to create a female avatars with small busts would be a really nice feature. |
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Galgalact
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Posted - 2011.07.16 16:48:00 -
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I am trying very hard now to not use very strong and abusive language as I type this!
I am utterly F***ed off right now! I can't do a f***ing thing in game!
I logon and enter station and then everything starts falling apart. I try to open Fittings and one minute it's fine, the next it's showing no modules/rigs, all resists are set to 0% but with full bars and I can't do anything... I can't undock and I can't even raise a f***ing petition!!!!!
Incarna for me so far is the WORST thing to happen to Eve and frankly if this is not fixed SOON I will be QUITTING!
How the hell can you release this update with so many bugs in it???
This is completely unacceptable and I am PAYING for this!!! What sort of a mug must I be?
CCP FIX THIS GAME NOW!!!
And one more thing, you can shove the Captains Quarters as far as I am concerned.... I was perfectly happy sitting in my ship in station, but now you have TAKEN THAT AWAY!!!!
I am NOT happy right now and I dare say I am not on my own!
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mightymadmat
Amarr Equity Corp Dragon Spire
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Posted - 2011.07.16 20:16:00 -
[1212]
Edited by: mightymadmat on 16/07/2011 20:25:51 Feedback.... hmmm
Station Environment - I had to turn off the station environment option, because the frame rate when it comes to captains quarters absolutely sucks (4 fps on low texture setting). This needs some major performance improvement before expanding on the feature.
Turrets - Turrets are an excelent idea, perfectly fine until your start to zoom out when they disappear completely.
NEX store.... Good idea in theory, but probably wouldn't use it.
Character Image Editor - Unable to use on high or medium res as FPS rates are so poor, and could just about manage on Low res settings
Overall, I keeping my judgement on hold until the above issues are resolved.
PC:
Processor: Intel Duo 2 2.1Ghz GPU: Geforce 7100 GS - soon to be upgraded. Memory: 2 Gb Game Resution : 1280 x 800 ----- Mighty Mad Mat
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:36:00 -
[1213]
I like the ability of walking around. Even if it is in my cell and the cat walk. However I have learned that this new ability has been causing older cards to burn out. Which recently happened to me after I put on my free boots from the NEX. Is this rumor true? If so what is being done to stop it. I just recently replaced it with a new GForce GTX 550 Ti ($179.99 at worst buy)card and don't want it to get fried because of the complexities of the graphics. Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:39:00 -
[1214]
Will the NEX come out with a swim suit option for clothing. I was thinking a long the lines of g string bikinis Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:42:00 -
[1215]
Originally by: Galgalact I am trying very hard now to not use very strong and abusive language as I type this!
I am utterly F***ed off right now! I can't do a f***ing thing in game!
I logon and enter station and then everything starts falling apart. I try to open Fittings and one minute it's fine, the next it's showing no modules/rigs, all resists are set to 0% but with full bars and I can't do anything... I can't undock and I can't even raise a f***ing petition!!!!!
Incarna for me so far is the WORST thing to happen to Eve and frankly if this is not fixed SOON I will be QUITTING!
How the hell can you release this update with so many bugs in it???
This is completely unacceptable and I am PAYING for this!!! What sort of a mug must I be?
CCP FIX THIS GAME NOW!!!
And one more thing, you can shove the Captains Quarters as far as I am concerned.... I was perfectly happy sitting in my ship in station, but now you have TAKEN THAT AWAY!!!!
I am NOT happy right now and I dare say I am not on my own!
Can I have your stuff? Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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Jared Tobin
Bloodstone Industries B.S.I.
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Posted - 2011.08.11 17:07:00 -
[1216]
Here's some feedback for CCP's LACK OF CCP-DEV RESPONSE:
Why has no one responded in the INCARNA 1.0.1 ISSUES thread - as it is the only place we can - and continue to - place our continuing observations and issues...? It's especially frustrating when I filed a "nicely worded petition" (quoted by the CCP GM responder) outlining why it would be in CCP's best interests to especially stay in response/follow up on ISSUES threads, and the person who answered the petition FULLY AGREED...
However...
Ironicly (and sadly), that person whom agreed with my petition is CCP NAVIGATOR - the same CCP DEV TEAM member who started the INCARNA 1.0.1 ISSUES thread and, though he whole-heartedly agreed that "popping into a technical post [such as the ISSUES and FEEDBACK of upgrades] in the forums" would help reassure the contributing posters AND, by responding ("touching base") occasionally, would keep the momentum of incoming, valuable info continue to come in - and also agreed how "it would be wise to assure the people who take time out of their day to post as much valuable information in, of all places, ISSUE-oriented posts - to motivate and keep us feeling like someone in CCP actually cares about the most valuable asset you have as programmers: a large, multiple mass of information from many people, many platforms, many unknown variables - all reporting on current problems in the game..."
But the more silence that continues, the more people will simply "not bother" to post ... eventually to a point where, well, it becomes pointless to even ask us about any issues. In fact, sadly, there's already a user who just posted today asking simply why no one has responded at all. Kinda drives my point (and petition) closer inward (like a coffin nail).
C'mon CCP, talk to us. Take a stroll through INCARNA 1.0.1 ISSUES and see the recent posts since Patch #5... Read, absorb, and most importantly: respond with some sign of life.
Personally, I think you're making this summer pass with EVE as a lackluster game, and yet somehow EVE continues losing any "luster" still left in it.
Silence is going to eventually become your your undoing...
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.08.11 19:31:00 -
[1217]
Originally by: Jared Tobin ...
Personally, I think you're making this summer pass with EVE as a lackluster game, and yet somehow EVE continues losing any "luster" still left in it.
CCP personnel are on vacation and spec'ing out their next Range Rover lease options while the subscriptions continue to roll in. Why should CCP lift a finger in the name of client service and product support when customers continue to shovel hard currency in their direction?
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Voxinian
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Posted - 2011.08.12 12:32:00 -
[1218]
I would like to see:
Customizable ships. Being able to use a color pallet and change the colors on ships parts. It is not fun to see 4 other exact same ships waiting at a jumpgate. Also being able to change some structural parts of the ship models would be cool, anything that adds visible customization would be welcome.
More freedom in agent missions. I love to do security missions, but there is no selectable subset of mission types. I would like to see being able to select (being offered) only missions that are suited for a certain ship class and/or battle type. I hate the security missions where you have to transport things, I only want to do 'destroy/kill' missions.
Shared missions. I want to be able to do security missions with other players that when succesful the reward will be automatically splitted in 2 and rewarded to both. So there needs to be a mission type called 'coop', where you can enter the other pilots name to do the mission with.
Last, I like to see the cargo advert spam at every jumpgate gone, it's like browsing the internet with a zillion advert banners on the screen. For a payed game I do not want my screen filled with adverts all the time, even if it's ingame corp adverts.
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Milken Gekko
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Posted - 2011.08.13 19:08:00 -
[1219]
Incarna 1.0 Feedback Thread
It's SH!T!
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Jared Tobin
Bloodstone Industries B.S.I.
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Posted - 2011.08.18 09:22:00 -
[1220]
Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara CCP personnel are on vacation and spec'ing out their next Range Rover lease options while the subscriptions continue to roll in. Why should CCP lift a finger in the name of client service and product support when customers continue to shovel hard currency in their direction?
Indeed...(chuckling) Luckily I haven't spent real currency to play Eve in over a year now. But I agree... I sure as hell wouldn't pay real money for this poor excuse of "customer relations"... or lack thereof. Perhaps it will take a lot more people to Plex their gaming experience and see how the fatal drop of real cash income might actually, maybe wake some CCP people up.
[shrugs]
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Gustav Mannfred
Gallente Die Missionrunner von heute
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:32:00 -
[1221]
Edited by: Gustav Mannfred on 20/08/2011 15:33:12 I REALY miss the old Weapons :( it looked soo god on the ships. But the new ones i find looks just good on the Maller and Scorpion.
My wish: Bring the old weapons back and make the new one optional (Options -> activate new Weaponsystem or someting else)
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in3DXY3adp0
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Because Of Door
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Posted - 2011.08.20 23:40:00 -
[1222]
Edited by: Because Of Door on 20/08/2011 23:44:13 Edited by: Because Of Door on 20/08/2011 23:42:00
Originally by: Milken Gekko Incarna 1.0 Feedback Thread
It's SH!T!
QFT
Originally by: Sulcis you guys are just jealous.... hahaha !!!!!!!
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Jealous of what exactly? That you have a shopping mall security guards' uniform on and severe conjunctivitis in your right eye?
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2 days to go on this account and won't be re-subbing it...
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oematoema
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Posted - 2011.08.21 12:02:00 -
[1223]
Edited by: oematoema on 21/08/2011 12:05:07 Has anyone from CCP ever commented (in a forum post or dev blog) on feedback given about the new turret icons? General opinion seems to be that they look like turds and are completely useless compared to the old icons because it's very difficult to distinguish between different turret types with these new icons.
So: CCP, what do you think about this?
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Shivaitee
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Posted - 2011.08.23 16:03:00 -
[1224]
Edited by: Shivaitee on 23/08/2011 16:07:01
Me too, I'm also experiencing low FPS with the new station, had to stop using it. Using the "wall" station... Personally I would love if they return the ability to use the old "ship station" environment.
And also I have seen the NEX store... but,I see no point of using it. As this is not a "first-person game"... you drive the ship but not the person like in other MMO's...
CCP please bring back the old station environment if one thing was nice was to see your own ship in the station and not a wall because of bad FPS. Keep the new thing for those who like it, but please bring back the old station option.
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