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Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:52:00 -
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I saw few posts about EA buying CCP... I hope they are trolling because if its true, I will hire mongols and hell angels to kill all those mother****ers in EA i had enough of them since they bought out blizzard.
die die die
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Mr T Isagar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Andrev Nox Today's patch has left me not sure how I feel about Eve any more.
For reference, I've played since early 2005. I've been with Eve mostly continuously through that time. One or two breaks from the game, but never for more than a month.
Over the last year, we got several patches that were just outright broken. We've had bugs before. We've had giant-massive-boot.ini-bugs. But even a single patch that was just entirely non-functional has been a rarity since 07 or so. This year, there were quite a few all in a row. I started feeling a little uneasy.
A lil while back we found out WiS was not going to be optional. I was annoyed at the broken promise, but meh - that's the way it swings. I can F10 and stare at the map instead of the ship, and I'm okay with that.
A lil while after that, the scorpion-for-cash debacle hit. They reversed the decision, but the fact that it made it that far made me very uncomfortable.
A lil while later, we discovered that the third party sites that support the game, that give it the community it has, were going to be charged $99 a year to do what they already did. Even the ones not making RL money off their work. Again, the community outcry flamed the later half of that back out of existence, but that the idea even crossed a dev's mind - much less made it to a point that it's publicly announced as an intention - made me even more uncomfortable.
And now the vanity item prices. Given the rising ire on the forums, on the news sites, and in game, I'm reasonably sure this will get flamed back into something less offensive. And, as noted above, I have no intention of participating in WiS above the amount I'm forced to anyway. But that these prices were considered "good" by the company who controls the game I'm playing is, for the first time, causing me to consider leaving eve. Not taking a break, just taking off.
I've been through several game changes. Often I've agreed. Often I've disagreed. But I always felt like I "knew" the company behind these decisions.
I just can't understand what's changed so drastically to cause this rampant, unmitigated cash-grabbing and lower quality.
Feature abandonment I'm used to.
Bugs I've lived with.
But an outright, unmitigated, unveiled attempt to just milk cash as hard and fast out of me as possible, without regard for longevity or thought about consequence?
While I realize these threads are currently overwhelming the forums, I half wonder if there's something financial going on we don't know about. Some bad debt or poor investment choice that is biting CCP in the ass right now, that they have to monetize quickly to keep the lights on. That is the only reason I can think of that the company I've been with for so many years would change so drastically in such a short time frame.
Because if it's not something like that - I feel like CCP got taken over by a different company.
A company I don't like doing business with any more.
Stop rambling crazy you person! damn FOO!
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Herring
Caldari Pimpology
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:13:00 -
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When you see the user count disappear from the game and mass forum deletions and bannings, their journey to the darkside will be complete.
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Herring When you see the user count disappear from the game and mass forum deletions and bannings, their journey to the darkside will be complete.
Quit giving them instructions on what to do, that will sound like a good idea to them.
Incarna, giving pilots a single room bachelor pad with a mirror and no beer since 6.21.2011 |
Deridium
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso EAÖ brings you Incarna!
It's in the game«
If this were the case they would just shut EVE down like they did with Earth & Beyond (R.I.P.)
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Lyshah
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: San Severina Edited by: San Severina on 22/06/2011 13:02:16 Well said OP.
Pretty much what I'm thinking. i know why i came to EvE, a small niche company in Iceland with a vision & determination to deliver an uncompromising game for serious, mature gamers.
A game with problems & bugs, balance issues, neglected content etc.. But a game with integrity, that was, despite it's problems still good enough for my $15 per.
A community that i was proud to be apart of, multi faceted, intelligent, at times scary in it's dedication to this sandbox & dominion over it, or part of it!
I never hesitated to tell people that I played this game, I was proud to be a member of the EvE community, until today.
Today I feel like the last online game I'll probably ever play has crossed a line it will never be able to un-cross, integrity has been lost.
I'm pretty sure I know the cause, & I feel sorry for those at CCP who still have the faith because this must be heartbreaking to witness.
Really, it's quite amazing that the game has lasted this long in the world of MMO's & again I feel affronted & insulted by the forces of big business & greed that is destroying everything worth anything in this World.
edit; just reading back some responses from Constantinus Maximus, Nehaj, Triest & others & the OP's excellent post, I really am very, very sad to be leaving this community.
I mean despite all it's problems this game attracted a lot of very smart & interesting people, from all corners of our planet. The community at EvE is/was awesome - i expect that will steadily decline with the game itself & that really is tragic for many reasons.
Sorry I'm genuinely depressed by this patch, I guess i had to see it to believe it! & now I'm becoming maudlin.
Exxxaktly.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 22/06/2011 17:42:02
Originally by: Andrev Nox
While I realize these threads are currently overwhelming the forums, I half wonder if there's something financial going on we don't know about. Some bad debt or poor investment choice that is biting CCP in the ass right now, that they have to monetize quickly to keep the lights on. That is the only reason I can think of that the company I've been with for so many years would change so drastically in such a short time frame.
I'm not sure if they're underwater, but they're a very small company launching an ambitious new MMO property, AND launching a fairly high profile console FPS at the same time. I think anyone looking at those outlays would think it's time to get more money out of EVE, and lower any and all costs they can think of everywhere. The question is, what the **** were they smoking when they decided to try to punch above their weight class in 2 new properties requiring extensive capital at the same time? I love this game, and I like CCP, but if I had any financial interest in CCP I would have bet against them as soon as rumors of DUST came out.
edit to add: that said, even if CCP does go under, I think EVE the property would still be something worth owning, and would be sellable. But, I doubt whoever bought it would do much more than put it on life support.
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Vexion Daran
Gallente Templars of Space
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:50:00 -
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Reading all these posts and putting a two points next to each other gives me the idea that finacial problems is the reason.
Incarna looks and feels like Beta. This money grab move from CCP.
Ofcourse they will not admitt they are going under. any compagny will try to get as much money in before they go under to keep the damage to a minimum.
Creepy feeling. I would really be a sad panda if EVE goes offline.
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Ancy Denaries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vexion Daran Creepy feeling. I would really be a sad panda if EVE goes offline.
Uh, hell yes. That would be a day to truly mourn. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 22/06/2011 20:31:34
Good and informative post, plenty of valid points, can agree with pretty much everything said by OP and in the replies. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:46:00 -
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For all those female dogging about the $99 dollar license... How many times have people asked for this?! When that app got shut down over this issue, people rejoiced at the idea of it. Now it's horrible?
Q: Don't like walking in stations? A: Turn it off in your graphics and display tab.
Q: Don't want to pay money for monocles? A: Don't spend your isk/money on Aurum.
Q: Don't like CCP finally coming out with Incarna, (AKA walking in stations that everyone wanted for years.) A: Go play another game than, no one is forcing you to like what they do as a developer. And complaining about it on the forums just makes delicious tear lemonade.
This is probably one of the only true MMO's still on the market. Everything else is cartoon characters who follow generic story lines to save the world or princess. IDK about you, but I'm pretty damn happy damsel in distress isn't every single mission in the game.
Hey I hear blizzard is making another expansion for wow. It will only cost you $60 USD, and you will have to grind for a week just to afford a mount that moves at a decent speed. Maybe that fits your taste more.
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah
Q: Don't like walking in stations? A: Turn it off in your graphics and display tab.
This is only a temporary option. You can't sell fancy hats if your players can turn off Fancy Hat Mode entirely.
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Slatiska Wolfovna
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:59:00 -
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I wonder if the guys defending CCP aren't the mods disguised with their ingame avatars lol, the "delicious tear lemonade" I just read is just the kind of sentence the CCP guy who spoke about "it's all in the eye of the beholder" would say :D
Anyway, forcing us to use the CQ is just depressing, I thought they assured the CSM that we would be given the choice :( (they sent me this by mail: Quote: The Captains Quarters are an integral part of the new Incarna update and as such will not be removed or replaced. We have temporarily allowed customers to disable loading of the Station Environment, which will remove the Captains Quarters area and allow customers with older computers the ability to run the game, however this will be removed at some point in the coming months.
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I guess they just don't want us to stay if we disagree with the way they use our hard-earned money :D Let's hope they'll be bought by a nice company soon, after Sony **** them over by replacing the PS3 or shutting off the PSN or whatnot :D
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Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Slatiska Wolfovna
Quote: The Captains Quarters are an integral part of the new Incarna update and as such will not be removed or replaced. We have temporarily allowed customers to disable loading of the Station Environment, which will remove the Captains Quarters area and allow customers with older computers the ability to run the game, however this will be removed at some point in the coming months.
Wormholes are the only place left (imho) worth it anymore... And that's dam sad... Wormholes:
Then *new* end game of Eve.
No Local. No Lag. No Blues. No Blobs! *NOW* with a whole new feature!
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Thom Baron
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:33:00 -
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Perhaps us players should track down the major shareholders of CCP and prepare a special report about everything that has gone wrong?
You can be damn sure CCP is doing their best to hide/play down any of the issues people have newish pvp pilot looking for a corp! (9m SP) |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Slatiska Wolfovna I wonder if the guys defending CCP aren't the mods disguised with their ingame avatars lol
Mostly new people with stars in their eyes. To them Eve seems like it's more then it is, they have a game in their imagination, which isn't the game mechanics they are actually playing. One of the reasons they fail so badly in their first highsec wardec to someone who actually knows how to game-the-game.
With the massive potential in their imagination they can't believe that things could be as bad as older players tell them.
Having invested a lot of emotion into their new hobby these players have reason to defend the company which has converted them to a sale.
It all wears off, they realise the mechanics they've been using are broken when someone painfully shows them the loopholes, and before long they see their imagination was not what the game was about.
Occasionally you get a new PvP'er who gets it is all broken early on and makes a lot of fun by collecting tears from people with bull**** in their imagination.
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Murdah
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Your Stuff Excellent and thoughtful post. For the first time in my eight years of playing Eve, today I lost my connection to the game. As a capsuleer, I was one with my ship, to which I can no longer inspect the fine details as I control the spin of it in my station prior to undocking. What about my immersion?
For the first time I have considered allowing most of my accounts to expire. Something about Eve no longer feels right. I watched the CCP marketing machine in full operation during the Alliance Tournament and I am very concerned about the direction Eve is taking. I will let my cold hard cash do the talking and reduce the money I am spending on the game, not increase it.
I will keep my money in my own pocket, not CCP's. What is interesting to me, is the game used to present the players with a steep learning curve in order to connect with the game. Now it seems that CCP now faces a steep learning curve to connect again with the players. It is truly shocking what they have done.
Congratulations on a new low CCP.
All along the way, CCP has ignored the player base. We have continually stated that the in-space features are what we are interested in. So what do we get?
Well put. I feel the same way... it's sad that after 8 years the game doesn't have the hope that it used to have. I've always enjoyed the game despite all the problems because the core of the game is brilliant, and because there has been so much scope for amazing additions in the future. It didn't seem like CCP was after more and more money, in the past; it seemed like they were keen to produce a game that was unique, had a loyal player base, and was not for everyone. In the past month, though, there have been a large number of signs that CCP is really only interested in getting as much money from the players as possible.
I can see the problems with increasing the subscription price (higher barrier to entry vs. other games for new players), but really, for the tens thousands of us who already pay monthly or yearly, an increase in subscription price would be preferable to "monetizing social acceptance" in EVE.
Even if that is the outcome, now that I've seen what CCP really thinks as a company, their intentions will always be hard to trust. "Greed is good"... really?
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:17:00 -
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CCP, please tell me you haven't become EA 2.0. -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:19:00 -
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Blame this guy:
Originally by: Klingon Admiral "Creation is so precious, and greed so destructive."
EVE Online: Tyrannis Teaser Summer 2010
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Herring When you see the user count disappear from the game and mass forum deletions and bannings, their journey to the darkside will be complete.
You forgot the inevitable Forum Purges....
"Checkout our NEW Forum....Whats that you say? You cant do searches to find our old posts? You are getting sleepy.... HAPPY TIMES!"
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:45:00 -
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Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 23/06/2011 05:46:11
Originally by: Bologna Brains I would rather pay $30-$40 for a solid expansion than have microtransactions in game.
CCP has gotten greedy and EVE is suffering for it.
Yeah, i sort of feel the same way. But i see the perdicament they are in.
If they sell an expansion thenthey are faced with the code issue of Requiring the Expansion, or letting people with/without the expansion play side by side.
Its probably a nightmare to code everything so people with/without expansion can play side by side. I dont know, just guessing.
And so they decide to make the expansion mandatory. i.e. every player already on the fence about resubbing gets forced out. Eve doesnt offer much in the way of Content. Or upkeep. They fix bugs here and there and introduce Bi-yearly features or whatever. Its hardly enough to get poeple to pay for it.
I would pay a small fee if it mean there would be NO Cash Shop, at all. And actual content updates.
Its kinda weird how they do no content. Not sure if its a creativity privation or laziness or whatever. Who knows. Maybe the quality of CQ is an indicator of the flaw in their system....
Coding Spaceships is one thing.... Animated figures might be something entirely different.
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djenghis jan
Amarr Debiloff
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Posted - 2011.06.23 05:58:00 -
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There is another side to his as well. An EVE- player has the reputation of being a hardcore gamer, who puts months of work on the line when undocking. Not a dress up in space game. If EVE attracts second life type players and looses people who make life interesting, then what is left? It will be as boring as the tournament final.
I don't know about others but this development reduces immersion for me in stead of increasing it.
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Samuel Wess
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Posted - 2011.06.23 13:32:00 -
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I have seen the interviews during the tournament and those guys responsible for Incarna looked really fishy. Than i saw the developers talking and I felt their disappointment about what they do now and they looked like nice people interested in the game but without the power to do anything.
We have a capable community playing this game I think it would be possible for this community to raise funds and organize the development of a new game that would provide what the community wants. We could use a trusted third party to manage the funds
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Thrawn Palpatine
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Posted - 2011.06.23 15:46:00 -
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I think you guys have to remember CCP is a company designed to make money nothing more......
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zleon Leigh Didn't Iceland have the most widespread banking failure? Maybe a friendly loan was reviewed by regulators.... or maybe in more typical fashion of charity to disasters they decided to bail out Iceland all on their own.
I heard on NPR that it was almost impossible to get US dollars there - they have them under lock and key. So the more hard currency flowing that way....
With icelands currency de-valued that means that ccp has had a huge bump in profits (To their default currency). CCP's European and American arms take in the money. Iceland going bankrupt would have made most of the ccp owners become fairly rich (in their own country at least) overnight.
I am more than willing to be proven wrong on this. Chances are that any loans they had (in ISK) were paid off as soon as the currency markets allowed them to move $$'s in as Krona. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Thrawn Palpatine I think you guys have to remember CCP is a company designed to make money nothing more......
That view is usually reserved for large multinationals. CCP is a company that ideally works to build a strong brand, and release good products. As companys grow they often change from that view towards the ones that large corps have. Look at DukeNukem Forever. Probably the worst game of the year, probably one of the most expensive games of all time (development wise) - It's a #1 seller. 2k games (about 5 years old) will probably be gone in 4-5 years if not before. Drive-by programming is one thing and usually makes shedloads of money before companys change hands/rebrand/go down.
CCP has a product that makes money, and EvE should be making a LOT of money. They are playing a game now, introduce this and see if people run. Their hopes is probably that people who dont use it will just stay and not use it. But hard core players will no doubt find uber-annoyances when Ammo, Standings, and other changes come into play that lets noobs burn their way into the game. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
Wanda Wong
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Dr Djago EVE Online for ccp indeed is their cash cow, where they get all of their stable money from, where they take this money to develop other projects, while just barely put back the very minimum funds into eveonline's development to keep us barely satisfied. What happened right now is nothing more than CCP's miscalculation.
They lost faith in EveOnline. It became apparent that the core foundation of Eve was not designed in a way which would support the next generation of gaming. Came to a point where they discovered "if we want to be in business in 10 years then we need something with a future"
Since they don't believe Eve has a real future and will eventually be hamstrung by it's ageing game design foundation this future must be sought from other products.
If that's true than CCP is missing a big point here,... If this is true, one would realy wonder if they did any research on console games. If their betting on Dust and some dodgy vampire game their developing for a console, they clearly did not do their research. Eve had been around for many years and could have been around for many more, if only CCP would do the job we are paying them for. On the other hand,.. look at the lifespan of console games. Better yet, look a tthe shear amount of fps games on consoles. DUST is just gona be one of many, with the fact that they have to compete against the already settled FPS games (COD for one). Having said this,... considder the lifespan of console- (x-box, playstation, gameqube, Wii and so forth) games compared to those played on the computer. Keeping the example of CoD in mind, they need to have a new release every other year to keep their player base sattisfied, where as CCP only has to make sure they can keep EVE running the way it's supposed to be and come with a "working" patch every now and than. Better yet,..tehy would not even have to come out with a patch every half a year or year. As one can already see, the playerbase is quite sattisfied with EVE as is and would not die off if a patch would take longer to be released if current issues wich hamper gameplay would be tackled.
CCP has build up a great deal of experiance with EVE, but have no clue about console games it seems. If they want to conquor the consoles they would have to come out with a new versoin of DUST every year (or every other year but than release several patches for DUST along the way). Will having said this,.. i do pitty the potential player base that would pick up DUST, as we can already see that they can not manage a propper patch even after nearly 8 years of EVE. They could also chose to move DUST in to the same realm as the online console versoins of Final Fantasy, but than again,.. this means releasing content.
Looking back at CCP's history with EVE and the release of content and the streamlining of the UI i have to say that i forsee a dark future for CCP if they keep walking this path and think the player base would keep putting up with the show their presenting us here and now. Needless to say, a company that hides from his paying customers when the crap hits the fan and think the best strategy is to let their player base flame out in the hopes of getting away with misleasing and lying is pretty nanve.
Here's something to think about. How many people have started playing eve after being convinced about the game by a friend. You know as well as i do that's what the buddy program is for right? There's no better adverticement than making your playerbase your marketing force. Nothing beats mouth to mouth advertising, not in a million years. But one thing some people seem to forget is that the force of mouth to mouth advertisment is just as able to KILL a game as it is to MAKE it. How much future would DUST have when there's a whole community of EVE opening the book on CCP and comming down hard on their latest brainchild?
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Mekhana
Gallente Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:37:00 -
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Meanwhile at Activision:
Bob Kotick sits back on his chair with a satisfied smile. Digits rolling on the desk.
"Just as planned.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Thom Baron Perhaps us players should track down the major shareholders of CCP and prepare a special report about everything that has gone wrong?
You can be damn sure CCP is doing their best to hide/play down any of the issues people have
Hey, for practice go tell your grandparents that some people in Iceland are ruining your internet spaceship game and see how they respond.
I'm sure there's a white board at CCP with four numbers constantly updated:
# of active accounts # of players who disabled station env # of friends on facebook # of PLEX-> AUR conversions
It's just math after that.
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.23 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 16:41:46
Originally by: Wanda Wong If that's true than CCP is missing a big point here,...
from the inside it is often easy to confuse boldness ("fearlessness") and plain stupidity.
If you go where nowhere has gone before there is a good chance that other people have avoided that path for very good reasons - not because they are too dumb to see the way or too timid to take a risk.
And once decision makers have decided that their approach is fearless it becomes really hard to argue against it unless you want to look like a really risk-averse coward who cannot see the big vision.
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