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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais On re reading this document I think it may well be a fake, a carefully edited one. The same style and syntax appears throughout - despite having differing authors for example -
"In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere:..."
"That is actually not a bad definition for us:..."
"One such convention is of special importance to us:..."
Now you might expect a similar stylistic approach for any document created for an internal business audience but it just feels 'off' somehow.
C.
Thank you for actually using your brain and some critical thinking skills when examining this hilarious document. I salute you o7
Not to mention that the article specifically describes Incarna implemented items as going to be cheap and disposeable, creating an infinite plex and thus $$$ sink OH WAIT. Turns out you cant blow up avatar clothes unless in your ship cargohold (you're an idiot if you do this) and the prices are in no way cheap.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:05:00 -
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I have 112days remaining.
Trolls are leaving the ship people :)
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Cailais
Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Cailais On re reading this document I think it may well be a fake, a carefully edited one.
Even if the writing does appear suspicious, that doesn't change the confirmations by the CSM members, nor the fact that CCP hasn't yet come in and denied it. If this were false, there would be absolutely no reason not to deny it, even if they were planning to do something exactly like it in the future anyway.
The CSM saw a similar document, on a desk - they didnt read it or have it in hand to confirm it. CCP rarely dive straight in to these flames (if ever). Perhaps I'm wrong. Let's hope I'm not.
C.
'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011
[yellow]the hydrostatic capsule blog[/yellow |
Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:07:00 -
[544]
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 23/06/2011 01:08:46
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Cailais On re reading this document I think it may well be a fake, a carefully edited one. The same style and syntax appears throughout - despite having differing authors for example -
"In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere:..."
"That is actually not a bad definition for us:..."
"One such convention is of special importance to us:..."
Now you might expect a similar stylistic approach for any document created for an internal business audience but it just feels 'off' somehow.
C.
Thank you for actually using your brain and some critical thinking skills when examining this hilarious document. I salute you o7
Not to mention that the article specifically describes Incarna implemented items as going to be cheap and disposeable, creating an infinite plex and thus $$$ sink OH WAIT. Turns out you cant blow up avatar clothes unless in your ship cargohold (you're an idiot if you do this) and the prices are in no way cheap.
This document is from May, and if you actually followed the newsbits (dev postings, hints, interviews, AT9), it was supposed to be destructible when podded. Man, do your homework at least before trolling yes?
EDIT: oh and btw if you don't make them destructible, you have to up the price, or you saturate the market too fast. And even that is mentioned in the document. Yes, they really thought about all this for some time.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais CCP rarely dive straight in to these flames (if ever).
Saying that this document is fake wouldn't pose any risk; if anything, it'd quell the flames. The forum flames are only dangerous if interaction would add fuel.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 01:08:25 This is their intentions, not all may be implemented, it depends on the reactions.
They will implement what they can get away with.
That is the game plan.
I will say again, once trolls leave the ship. WORRY.
PS: I have 112 days remaining.
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Lord Cath
Amarr Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Thank you for actually using your brain and some critical thinking skills when examining this hilarious document. I salute you o7
stop being an arrogant twit. Most of us here are just really concerned people with a lot of love for this game... _________________________________________________
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:08:00 -
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topics getting alot of views, i think there are alot of people keeping an eye on this thread
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Cyber Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:08:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534830
everyone get in this thread and sign it now :)
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla This is their intentions, not all may be implemented, it depends on the reactions.
They will implement what they can get away with.
That is the game plan.
Given how they threw out the insane $99 developer license and then backpedaled, as well as other recent changes, that seems to be the entirety of their business plan: "Do the worst thing possible, packpedal until the rage calms down to acceptable levels". ______________________________
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Anoobis Aivoras
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dante024781 Edited by: Dante024781 on 23/06/2011 00:52:51
Originally by: stoicfaux
Subs are Barriers. MTs are a risk-free gateway drug.
Subscriptions are nice, but given how many other MMOs are out there, a subscription could be seen as a barrier to entry for new players. People will easily pay a sub fee for big names like SWTOR without hesitation, but for a "no-name" brand like WiS or DUST, a sub fee is too much of a commitment for an unknown.
I subscribed to a no name MMO called EVE based on the free 15 day trial.
If CCP are planing on moving to MT payment model for EVE that's fine, It's their game they can do what they want with it. But they will do it without me as a customer.
Originally by: Tla Atij EVE IS FOREVER until you allow shield/armor/damage bonuses for euros and dollars.
Sorry. Lazy. I was happy to pay subs once I'd seen how Eve was set up, boosting isk with plex is ok, ish. But to sell further advantages? No, if I wanted to compete with wallet warriors I'd go back to Dark Orbit. Hope it's not time to look for a new game, I liked this one.
If it's real, oh well. Game Over.
If it's fake, could be released to test the water... who knows. Can't beat a beer and a conspiracy theory.
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Republica Winder
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bizazedo Unacceptable. If I wanted this, I'd be playing a Zynga game.
Ok, I am revising my idea of merging CCP with SOE and Craptic... That wouldn't be the ultimate combination of evil "F-the customer" publisher...
Sony Craptic Control ProductionZ
SCCPZ
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Mag'nal
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:09:00 -
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I loved how they used the Korean game market as their basis on whether or not MT and/or F2P-P2W games work.
Cause I'm pretty sure, at least here in the US, Korean games don't last but for a handful of months.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Ranka Mei Yeah, let's stay focussed here, and not derail on whether some idiot thinks CCP FANBOI is a real dev.
We're talking about documents revealing some truly disturbing intentions on the part of CCP, in which they announe MT practices for things other than cosmetic changes -- something they promised never to do! I, for one, find this a VERY serious matter.
The crappy part though -- if the philosophy is being this engrained into the company that there is an entire newsletter about it, is there even a chance to recover the EVE dream that was?
You know, I'm all for Barbie In Space, and going to a virtual mall and play dress-up and such. And all in good fun. But buyimg faction standing and such? No effing way we should put up with that! That's a deal-breaker for me, on a very deep level. --
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Cailais
Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Cailais On re reading this document I think it may well be a fake, a carefully edited one. The same style and syntax appears throughout - despite having differing authors for example -
"In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere:..."
"That is actually not a bad definition for us:..."
"One such convention is of special importance to us:..."
Now you might expect a similar stylistic approach for any document created for an internal business audience but it just feels 'off' somehow.
C.
Thank you for actually using your brain and some critical thinking skills when examining this hilarious document. I salute you o7
Not to mention that the article specifically describes Incarna implemented items as going to be cheap and disposeable, creating an infinite plex and thus $$$ sink OH WAIT. Turns out you cant blow up avatar clothes unless in your ship cargohold (you're an idiot if you do this) and the prices are in no way cheap.
This document is from May, and if you actually followed the blogs, it was supposed to be destructible when podded. Man, do your homework at least before trolling yes?
True. But why have those stupid images next to the DUST article. Why not use a DUST image?
C.
'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011
[yellow]the hydrostatic capsule blog[/yellow |
Lord Cath
Amarr Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mag'nal I loved how they used the Korean game market as their basis on whether or not MT and/or F2P-P2W games work.
Cause I'm pretty sure, at least here in the US, Korean games don't last but for a handful of months.
think that goes for anywhere outside of Korea _________________________________________________
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Given how they threw out the insane $99 developer license and then backpedaled, as well as other recent changes, that seems to be the entirety of their business plan: "Do the worst thing possible, packpedal until the rage calms down to acceptable levels".
So, CCP said they were not doing with the $99 dev license for API AFTER they said it was going to be?
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Anoobis Aivoras
If it's real, oh well. Game Over.
Pretty much the opinion of every EVE player I know.
vOv
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:11:00 -
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Post a link to this thread wherever you can in EVE. The more players who see this and post, the better!
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 01:12:05
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Given how they threw out the insane $99 developer license and then backpedaled, as well as other recent changes, that seems to be the entirety of their business plan: "Do the worst thing possible, packpedal until the rage calms down to acceptable levels".
So, CCP said they were not doing with the $99 dev license for API AFTER they said it was going to be?
I have suspended my Apps and SDK work as CCP are now too risky to develop for, constant lies, backpeddling. General mistrust.
Not worth the risk even if it is now free.
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Nilania Telshua
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Cailais CCP rarely dive straight in to these flames (if ever).
Saying that this document is fake wouldn't pose any risk; if anything, it'd quell the flames. The forum flames are only dangerous if interaction would add fuel.
You are right, but only in the case that this document is a fake.
In any other case denying the existence of a document distributed between 500 employees in open circulations would be... unwise...
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Republica Winder
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator Saturnius
Originally by: Anoobis Aivoras
If it's real, oh well. Game Over.
Pretty much the opinion of every EVE player I know.
Time to get those amongst us together who can pull it off and start writing an EVE Emulator server.
So we can have Pre-Dominion EVE.
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Not-Apsalar
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla I have 112days remaining.
Trolls are leaving the ship people :)
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1) You're annoying 2) No one cares how many days you have left. You don't need to say it in every post
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William Walker
Amarr House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:15:00 -
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Microtransactions? More like macrotransactions. ________________________________________________
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nilania Telshua You are right, but only in the case that this document is a fake.
In any other case denying the existence of a document distributed between 500 employees in open circulations would be... unwise...
Yes, that's my point. They could safely deny it if it weren't real. Denying it would only be dangerous if it WERE real.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 01:16:12
Originally by: William Walker Microtransactions? More like macrotransactions.
Micro-transactions, for LARGE values of Micro.
Seriously, at the prices CCP charge in the NEX store, you could pop down to NASA and buy some ex Apollo hardware, maybe even cheaper from the Russians.
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Mag'nal
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Nilania Telshua You are right, but only in the case that this document is a fake.
In any other case denying the existence of a document distributed between 500 employees in open circulations would be... unwise...
Yes, that's my point. They could safely deny it if it weren't real. Denying it would only be dangerous if it WERE real.
I think it's safe to say that we can call out CCP Soundwave with the general question of "WTF?!"
CCP, there's a hole in your foot, blood on the floor and a smoking gun. Just come out an admit ya shot yourself in the foot already. SHEESH
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It's all in your head. You're living a lie. There is nothing money can't buy. |
Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Cailais On re reading this document I think it may well be a fake, a carefully edited one. The same style and syntax appears throughout - despite having differing authors for example -
"In short, itÆs the same in Incarna as elsewhere:..."
"That is actually not a bad definition for us:..."
"One such convention is of special importance to us:..."
Now you might expect a similar stylistic approach for any document created for an internal business audience but it just feels 'off' somehow.
C.
Thank you for actually using your brain and some critical thinking skills when examining this hilarious document. I salute you o7
Not to mention that the article specifically describes Incarna implemented items as going to be cheap and disposeable, creating an infinite plex and thus $$$ sink OH WAIT. Turns out you cant blow up avatar clothes unless in your ship cargohold (you're an idiot if you do this) and the prices are in no way cheap.
This document is from May, and if you actually followed the blogs, it was supposed to be destructible when podded. Man, do your homework at least before trolling yes?
True. But why have those stupid images next to the DUST article. Why not use a DUST image?
C.
Common, i don't know where you work (not trolling here), but have you ever been involved in this kind of internal newsletters? Its not that strikt a matter, its for internal use only. Pictures get used, jokes are made, things that only insiders get. Sure, if the company is really big (CCP has 600ppl in 3-4 countries) then you refine it a bit (like making it magazin-style instead of cheap html-mail), but its still for internal use only. The picture doesn't matter AT ALL, you use what you can find.
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Technovar
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH This "leak" is hysterical.
I can't believe people actually believe this. It's completely unprofessional, cartoonish, and plays on every EvE bittervets fears and paranoia like harp strings.
If you believe this is real, and that this represents CCP opinion, please do the EvE community a favor and just quit the game now.
No, not "quit the game" but stay on the forums complaining needlessly as if CCP cares, just quit, walk away, and stop posting. Go find something better to do than whining about a GAME that you've decided is horrible but need to stick around and make worse with your rude, useless, trolling. CCP has said in plain english they ignore ****heads but respond to constructive criticism.
.....this is like New Eden's version of the Barack Obama birther phenomena. Complete with fake documents "proving" that CCP is making a greedy money grab. This is rooted in simple emotional outcry, nothing else. Just as the birthers will cry foul no matter what gets posted as evidence, so the naysayers will whine about monocles destroying their spaceship game.
Lets be honest, all of you who believe this to be true, will not care if CCP comes out and responds, even though they wont. You wouldn't believe them. Stop demanding it like them saying "not us" is all you need to be convinced.
I for one believe it's real, and I'm done. My monthly, paid, non-gtc/PLEX accounts running since 2006 (except for a couple-month lapse due to a death in the family) are cancelled. I've never actively canceled an MMO account, either, so it's not a flounce.
However, the news leaking from inside suggests that CCP aren't looking at account cancellations as a meaningful metric here. It's all about the PLEX and MT.
I'm not going to stop posting though, at least until the bans for disagreeing with this NGE start flying. The game's *not* horrible. I like the station idea and immersion, but real money for in-game benefit? Ships and ammo, bypassing the player economy? Payments for gaining sov? Selling faction standings? Yeah, that pretty much kills what was once Eve.
And no, you can't have my stuff. Barring some drastic change, I'll likely liquidate assets and characters, then give the proceeds to something like PLEX For Good, though not until the market settles out - so one more account activation per account at some future point unless the market settles before my current months expire. I'm also not biomassing. I like Eve, and I want to stay in the sandbox if this slide down the MT slippery slope changes. I reserve the right to reactivate if the real-money-for-ingame-benefit goes away, because I enjoy Eve.
The sad thing is that it looks like the entirety of PLEX for Good collected for Japan would buy just 743 monocles.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.23 01:18:00 -
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Keep taking the p.iss out of em, it's unfortunate the player base cannot demand an audit of the company as a whole. Id rather watch this place go up in flames then sit by idly while market interest say screw your benefactor.
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