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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Horn Silver
ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?: [ X ] YES [ X ] NO [ X ] MAYBE [ XX ] AFRAID TO TELL [ XXX ] SCARED SHTTLESS [ XXXX ] I WANT MY MOMMY
Just answer the QUESTION!!!
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest I find it immensely important, having read as much of this thread as humanly possible while still in an email/meeting/phonecall flurry yesterday, to let you guys know that Pann didn't abandon this thread on purpose. She had a family emergency in what is possibly the worst possible timing in the history of the internet, about 2 minutes after her second post in here. Everything is ok with that situation (talked to her yesterday). Whether you believe me or not, thems the facts. Saying that, obviously, on the day this thread began would have sounded ludicrous at best, spurious at least. Sort of like "my dog ate my homework" when your dog ACTUALLY ate it.
I haven't yet gotten to the blog responses, Facebook comments or reviewing Twitter hashtags. So please understand if I don't respond in a timely fashion in any venue and understand too that many questions simply cannot be answered directly. The nature of the beast.
The community team, likewise, has had their hands full with (as leniently as possible) enforcing forum rules and relaying information. We're all in it for the long haul though.
If some of my responses that I end up making do sound glib, I can assure you it is not because I don't understand the gravity of the situation at hand or the trueness of emotion/logic behind player opinion. It's because, frankly, of who I am.
Furthermore, if only some stuff gets answers or some seemingly random threads get attention, its also the nature of that same beast. Thanks for listening.
HOW ABOUT AN ANSWER TO A SIMPLE QUESTION??? Will you go beyond cosmetics on NEX? Stop saying nothing, don't try to buy some more time by ignoring the real problem!
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonzchilde WE WANT PVP we DONT NEED SHOES
FIX YOUR PVP
- dont you ****ing touch the moms - bring back the AoE doomsday - get rid of the blob - give snipers a chance to do their thing - get rid of the blob - fix rockets - fix blasters - fix webs - get rid of the blob - **** Pos grinding - make the game attractive to smaller groups - get rid of the blob
**** your ****ty AUR **** your ****y vanity crap
Totally agree!
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Tla Atij
Originally by: Miilla
CCP CAVES IN!
They promise to no longer put GOLD ammo into the NEX store..
They now asked the CSM.. .Which COLOUR of AMMO do you want.
<3 Miilla
To the CSM: Since CCP are now accepting DEMANDS, I want PINK ammo. K. Thanks. Keep up the good work, we will get all the colours of the rainbow soon (Except GOLD).
I want Magenta, Fuchsia, Saumon FoncT, Turquoise, Rouge Pourpre and Wenge.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:23:00 -
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The Senior Director of PR and Communication of CCP - CCP Pann (Valerie Massey) has an impressive educational background
Originally by: Iamien
Originally by: Ni'ark Ms. Massey attended San Jacinto College and resides in Austin.
The head of PR does not even hold a degree. How can a proper mouthpiece not have a degree?
Also, she is responsible for the interaction with Tabula Rasa community, we are DOOOMED!
... It's even worse for The Senior Priducer of EVE Online - CCP Zulu (Arnar Hrafn Gylfason) - he has no education! No high school! No university!
... And most important, he has no degree (nor skills) in COMMUNICATION, PR, Consumer/Customer Relations... It figures...
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:13:00 -
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GDC Europe Reveals Talks For Community Management Summit
"GDC Europe organizers have unveiled the full lineup for the show's Community Management Summit, featuring a keynote from industry veteran Gordon Walton on creating an online "code of conduct," SOE on controlling player backlash, and EVE Online developer CCP on learning from Jurassic Park."
"- Elsewhere, Valerie Massey, (CCP Pann) senior director of PR and communication from EVE Online developer CCP, will take a humorous approach to discussing community management in, "Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Online Communities I Learned from Jurassic Park," a talk that will illustrate the ins and outs of the job using examples from the classic Stephen Spielberg film and its sequels."
How ironic for CCP to speak on Community Management... even more, in a "humorous approach". I bet they laugh their arse off.
AAAAAAAAAAAAND
CCP Games boss headlines GameHorizon
June event schedules in Petursson keynote
Hilmar Petursson, the CEO of Icelandic mega-studio CCP Games, is scheduled to make an industry address at this yearÆs GameHorizon.
The Gateshead-based event û which runs from June 28th to 29th û will also hear from the likes of Eidos Life President Ian Livingstone, Epic Games exec Mark Rein, Zynga vice president Louis Castle and Schell Games CEO Jesse Schell.
PeturssonÆs speech has yet to be detailed, but CCP Games has a wealth of experience in the MMO and online spaces to draw from.
The company recently made headlines at E3 this year having revealed its ambitious FPS project, Dust 514 û a PS3-exclusive that somehow ties online with Eve OnlineÆs gargantuan PC community.
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"I find it deliciously ironic Hilmar Petursson, the CEO of Icelandic mega-studio CCP Games is a headline speaker at the GameHorizon summit given review by his dev staff (on glassdoor.com) repeatedly say the management won't talk with them, that leaked internal documents and emails (from said disgruntled staff) and game changes have inflamed player base to EvE to post some 314 pages - 9,400 angry posts (and rising fast) - and Mr Hilmar and his management have blanked them. At last count over 3,500 players are said to have cancelled their accounts in the past few and a lot more will follow. It should be noted the "Eve OnlineÆs gargantuan PC community." is currently in uproar and facing a mass exodus of players and the best their CEO could do was send it a developer to enflame the situation by going on about his $1,000 jeans.
If the leaked internal memo is true it should be an interesting talk he gives. "Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say"
If the threads on the forums, on Twitter and elsewhere are any guide, he's just lost $1,000,0000 a year in subscriptions. Silence is Golden - but not if you kill the golden goose (as they described their subscribers)." posted by Paul Today at 2:27 am
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Golden Goose 4CCP This man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfur_Thor_Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfsson owns 35% of CCP Games. What now, EVE? Two banks have failed to this man as well as cost Iceland millions of ISK (Islander Kronen) and he owns 35% of CCP.
Yep, they are all winners!
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Golden Goose 4CCP This man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfur_Thor_Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfsson owns 35% of CCP Games. What now, EVE? Two banks have failed to this man as well as cost Iceland millions of ISK (Islander Kronen) and he owns 35% of CCP.
Yep, they are all winners!
I think this reason alone, finding out what pile of scumbags are behind CCP, is the single most important reason to dump Eve and let them burn as they let people of Iceland burn.
Its is not surprising. He has no stake in the players, only profits, regardless of methods.
I don't know about you but it sickens me that If I continue, i would be funding these pompous arrogant greedy scumbags that hurt the people of Iceland.
This is beyond a game for me now. Once I lose interest in a game, its gone, forever.
Knowing these facts now, it really is GAME OVER.
It is time to move on. Let them burn. let them be an example to the industry yet again otherwise they will shout to the rest of the industry that they where a success. NO thanks.
Originally by: Cyaxares II Edited by: Cyaxares II on 27/03/2011 20:56:53
as an update to my previous post:
In July 2008 CCP had to publish an overview of its finances as part of a bond offering.
Quote: Major Shareholders
At the date of this Prospectus there were 97 shareholders in CCP. The ten largest shareholders owned a total of 97.9% of the CompanyÆs issued share capital.
NP ehf 33.99 Teno Investments S.-.R.L 17.21 Reynir Har=arson 11.37 (CCP founder) Arion safnreikningur 5.60 Matthfas Gu=mundsson 3.72 (CCP programmer (*)) Hilmar Veigar PTtursson 2.82 (CCP CEO) Novator ehf 2.56 Frosti Sigurj=nsson 2.44 Fri=rik +rn Haraldsson 2.42 (CCP graphic/UI designer (*)) Gu=mundur Kristinsson ehf 2.39 Ten largest 84.52 Other 87 shareholders 15.48
NP ehf & Novator ehf belong to Mr. Bjorgolfsson who is broke and has agreed to forward any dividends/proceeds from his CCP shares to a consortium of banks which he owes money.
A little more up-to-date information on CCP shareholders is found here: http://www.dv.is/frettir/2010/10/16/eve-online-malar-gull-fyrir-ccp/ (Google Translate), only significant change seems to be Teno Investments increasing its stake to 24%.
The fact that CCP did not issue a dividend does of course imply a strong desire to grow (and puts some pressure on CCP to make sure share value does indeed grow appropriately).
(*) - source (probably horribly outdated) EVE credits at Linkage
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Dr4FT
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Dr4FT **** you CCP Pann.
hey her daughter is in the hospital, lay off Ahole
Oops, my powers of clairvoyance failed me yet again. I thought she opened this thread and just ****ed off. Didn't know she actually had a reason.
Yeah, shortly after starting this thread she actually had a legit family emergency. I'm told her daughter is fine, so that's good.
I feel bad for CCP Pann. She's having a rough week at this rate.
Do you know for SURE that she really had a family emergency and that her daughter is/was in a hospital??? Just cos another CCP employee told us a story, we'r supposed to believe it? The time for that has passed long ago. Have you read it in the newspaper? Was it on the news? Do you (or anybody else) hold some kind of evidence this is a true story? Considering the fact that CCP is lying to us for like... forever allow me to be a little skeptic about this convenient emergency. Most likely she needed time to prep for GDC Europe speech. So, fck her and fck you too until some solid EVIDENCE proves "the story" to be true.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Forum choked before.
Originally by: Golden Goose 4CCP This man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfur_Thor_Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfsson owns 35% of CCP Games. What now, EVE? Two banks have failed to this man as well as cost Iceland millions of ISK (Islander Kronen) and he owns 35% of CCP.
Just wow. Checkout all the ex-Landbanki guys with different shell companies, it's like attack of the clones.
^^Is this the personal CONTACT INFO for CCP Higher Management. BOMBS AWAY!!1oneone
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 11:50:09 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=340
Check Constantinus Maximus' post on the bottom of the page. (3rd up from bottom)
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Blast Radius1 Edited by: Blast Radius1 on 26/06/2011 11:24:23 "Ironicly one of the corrupt bankers who helped in robbing the nation of Iceland and bankrupting it leaving the country devistated owns a large percentage in CCP. I would not be surprised this was his doing. As he is friends with some of the staff as well."
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, say WHAT?!! Really? You kidding, right?
Dudes name is Josepeh Gallo and is CCP's Cheif Financial Offficer. Checking out Linkedin he is about 2/3rd's of the way down. Its the likes of crooks like him that casued the Global Credit Crisis etc. so don't be suprised to see CCP crash and burn with the likes of him near the levers of power.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:44:00 -
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On Twitter: ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet 1 hour ago
So it took him 1.000.000 views, 350+ pages and 10.000+ posts for a reply. You Sir are awesome, I'd make love to you if I was gay... Actually you can bend over.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:51:00 -
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https://twitter.com/#!/ArnarHrafn
On Twitter: ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet 1 hour ago
So it took him 1.000.000 views, 350+ pages and 10.000+ posts for a reply. You Sir are awesome, I'd make love to you if I was gay... Actually you can bend over.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 17:53:23
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?
WeÆve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.
http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:21:00 -
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CCP Fallout
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:51:00 - [1] Recently, a third-party Web site stated that they had received confidential information regarding a buyout of CCP by Sony Online Entertainment. I can confirm that neither Sony nor CCP are in such discussions, and CCP is and remains and independent company.
P.S. I realized this does not answer what is most important to many of you at this time: yes, CCP Zulu is working on a new blog, as he posted on his @arnarhrafn Twitter a few hours ago.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us
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Like if this rumor is true the NDA would've allowed them to admit it. Most likely if this rumor is true, somewhere in the NDA is clearly specified that if this info leaks, there will be IMEDIATE denial of such thing.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 26/06/2011 18:26:55
Originally by: Talamicus this looks truely awesome, been following this for about 5 years but sadly it look to be slowing down (not canned) while they devlop the engine for sale, worth checking out though.
http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/
i introduced myself and AHARM on their forums two days ago. sadly they are indeed way too far out to accept any players from the Monocle Diaspora. I will be trying it out whenever they get to a point they are doing stuff i can participate in.
looks like perpetuum will have to do for now. and btw CCP my 3000 bucks you wanted till now be going to a Ninja 500R
"FUCC YOUR COUCH, GO BUY ANOTHER ONE YOU RICH MOTHER****ER"
Infinity will most likely hit the market in 2-3 years. They still have a lot of work to do since there is basically only 1 guy developing the project, with help from community.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:31:00 -
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On Twitter:
CCP Fallout i am preparing to publish Zulu's new blog. Please give me about 10 minutes
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Prince of Nigeria
Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee
Originally by: CCP Zulu However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
Lets get something straight: There is a miles wide difference between "we don't plan to sell 'gold ammo' for Aurum" and what the players want to hear which is "we will NEVER sell 'gold ammo' for Aurum"
Keeping all three of my accounts as canceled until you quit skirting the real issue.
Now you're just being pedantic.
He is right, CCP told us a few years back that they had no plan to implement a cash shop in EVE...
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kailithi http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=934
Quote: I let my frustration take charge of me, fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days. I know that sounds ironic considering those are the exact same feelings you have been having towards CCP.
Translation: I am so, SOOO angry that one our underpaid monkey coders leaked our newsletter because we flat out refused to listen to or take any notice of their experience or concerns. (see http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Quote: There are certain questions you want answered and there isn't room for more error in our communication on those topics or our perception of the root causes.
Translation: How WE percieve it is this, we need MT for new jeans. Why can't you monkeys get that?
Quote: Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week
Translation: Give us a week to butter up these toothless wonders (that we've ignored for so long) to see our views with an all expenses paid jolly to Iceland. Money talks!
AND FINALLY:
Quote: to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.
The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE.
Orrrrr, to sum up:
FFS, someone snitched and we got caught with our pants down. We will bribe the CSM to see that we ARE going ahead with RTM so they might as well take a back-hander and help us smooth the transition in.
Let's be very clear on this. HIS WORDS "assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy." "how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE"
And he ends with:
Quote: we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.
Translation: Give it a week, it all blows over we get our way. Jobs a done deal.
If we translate from the diplomatic language he used this time, this is exactly what it means.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: KosmikZA
Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
Ok that was interesting.
Very different target markets though. Eve relies on older players and internal economy where BF:Heroes is instant gratification, minimal attention span and zero economy.
I could say those are just details, but I made a little search and I found out that the average age of BF:Heroes players is not that much lower than EVE's and in the last years EVE Online became much more user friendly, much more directed towards younger players.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:37:58
Originally by: Hot Brunette
Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
I'd be interested in seeing the survey if they added the option of "I would quit the game if advantage-giving items were induced"
Sadly, it wasnt an available option.
If they do introduce such types of items in eve, there's a possibility that the game doesnt die, but the player base changes...old players leave, new (and different) players come in. But let's hope that doesnt happen.
They don't really care about player age, they only care about money.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:46:21
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
Ok that was interesting.
Very different target markets though. Eve relies on older players and internal economy where BF:Heroes is instant gratification, minimal attention span and zero economy.
You're beginning to think like CCP; Eve Online is not the Starbucks of MMO's we're just as McDonalds as all the rest.
Compared to the other MMORPG's out there, we are the Starbucks of online gaming, at least that`s what the ppl that never played EVE think and guess what, those ppl are the main target of CCP now.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
I'd be interested in seeing the survey if they added the option of "I would quit the game if advantage-giving items were induced"
Sadly, it wasnt an available option.
If they do introduce such types of items in eve, there's a possibility that the game doesnt die, but the player base changes...old players leave, new (and different) players come in. But let's hope that doesnt happen.
They don't really care about player age, they only care about money.
I know, so the people who are willing to spend, will stay. And people who are willing to spend will be attracted to the game.
People who don't...leave.
Will CCP make more revenue with this model as opposed to the current one?
Yes, they will make money from subscriptions AND cash shop.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
Quote:
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
Gonna add that BFH had 7 million users. And it was F2P and micro trans from the start.
Its like comparing apples to pineapples.
The business model apply.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
Quote:
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
Gonna add that BFH had 7 million users. And it was F2P and micro trans from the start.
Its like comparing apples to pineapples.
The business model apply.
No they dont they are two diffrent models. CCP is trying to Frankenstein on another model.
Also the community is different. We are not casuals. Nor are we pea****s.
Did you even watched the video? In what way different since THIS community acts just like THAT one? It's not about the quality of a community, it's about mass psychology and guess what? We'r no different. Remember what Hilmar said: "Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing." In what way are we different I ask you again? AND let's not forget that "This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry."
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Saska Samar
Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
BF Heroes is a free to play game with revenue items
Eve is a paid for game which wants to suck more money out of it's players
TL;DR you are a moron or a dev alt. Possibly both
I guess we'll see in a decent amount of time who the moron is. To think that ppl won't spend real money in cash shop just because they already pay a subscription kind of makes you the moron since it's happening already.
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Angeliq
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:54:00 -
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Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
- For those of you that think this business model can never apply to EVE
1. A business model does not mean that all the details must be exactly the same from one business to another. That's why it's called a model, a template. You need to come up with specific, personalized approaches for your own business. A business model is based on marketing, mass psychology, customer thinking patterns, habits, social behavior, statistics, etc.
2. EVE is P2P! This is not a valid argument. The numbers show that a lot of ppl already bought monocles and clothing and are willing to pay for customization and power items in NEX shop. We are in target. CCP might even try a hybrid dual-pay scheme.
3. It is possible EVE Online will go F2P. Especially if SOE will takes over. Those of you that believe CCP Fallout, it's your choice, I don't give a fck... BUUUT DUST514 for PS3 only! Hello!?! SOE has invested a lot of time (and money) in this project.
Here is John Smedley, President of SOE answering a question (full interwiew HERE) Q: So you don't think that sandboxes (and sandbox systems) are dead for SOE? Will you ever make a new sandbox with SWG's pioneering features? The answer is... stay tuned on the subject of sandboxes. We're super excited about the future of sandbox gaming. Let me just leave it at that!
4. The average age is different. Not entirely true. The average age of a BF:Heroes player is only 3-4 years younger. In the last years EVE Online became more and more dumb proof, more accessible to the younger player. This culminates with Incarna and the new player tutorial being a very appealing experience for a new (young) player.
5. The EVE Online player is not a peacck. Ofc not all players are peaccks but a very significant % are. If "you" are not a peacck, then why did "you" spent so much time on the customization of your character and why CCP had to give ppl the chance to "remodel" their characters a few times after the initial release of the new characters? Cos ppl were unhappy with their "creations", cos they care about looks, that bug was ment to be . Why do you think they gave us the "possibility" to recreate our characters as much and as many times as we want to now? Most important, the majority of EVE players are competitive, otherwise they would've chosen a different MMORPG.
6. There were no surveys. Wrong. There is the annual CCP survey, tho if I remember right, there were no questions regarding NEX Store, the questions in that survey were meant to gather info on customer behavior, addiction, alternative games we might migrate to... all kinds of "useful" information. "Dear xxxxxx, You are invited to participate in a survey being conducted by CCP...." The other "surveys" were conducted in-game by crunching numbers, statistics. For example: how much time the player spent designing and redesigning the new character model. I'm sure there are many aspects, numbers and indicators to be interpreted.
7. EVE has depth. Yes, it does but we made it like this. It can make money without all that obscure 0.0 politics, without all those well thought war plans, without any plans at all. Just a bunch of players running around popping stuff. Might be fun.
8. NEX current Prices -> Price anchoring
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Veengere
Originally by: Angeliq
Im happy you left no room for doubt in anyone's opinion that you are an idiot.
It's funny how there is always someone that flames ppl with different views and ideas on a certain aspect. If you can't see things from a different perspective but your own and you dismiss it as being idiot(ic)... Well, I guess that makes you... quite smart.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: raker
I see lots of comments regarding a leaked email
With this thread so big, its impossible to find it
Has anyone a link to that leaked email
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: raker
I see lots of comments regarding a leaked email
With this thread so big, its impossible to find it
Has anyone a link to that leaked email
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.
They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable" and are to pay "less of what we say and what we do".
Yeah, that's why they are in PANIC MODE. I mean, trying a different spin on it.
Honestly I don't see CCP in PANIC MODE. They are only buying time. One week is a long time and as you can already see the uproar starts to decline. By next week only a handfull of ppl will still be posting on forums about this sht. They are doing damage and crowd control now. I still believe they expected us to behave like this and they expected to lose this many accounts. I don't find it a problem for a company to lose 1.5 % of it's customers (accounts) when the overall profit will be at least twice as much. If anything, they are not stupid. They are following the BASIC steps of crowd control trying to minimize the loss, as company would do. After all, it`s better to lose only 1.2% of your total subscribers instead of 2%. Bottom line, I see no PANIC MODE at CCP. If they were in panic, they would've came with a TOTALLY clear, indubitable statement and they would've dropped the NEX Store.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
CCP has done all this "research" with "outside professionals" to get metrics on the Microtransactions in Eve succeeding.
They are "staying the course" and we are "very predictable" and are to pay "less of what we say and what we do".
Yeah, that's why they are in PANIC MODE. I mean, trying a different spin on it.
Honestly I don't see CCP in PANIC MODE. They are only buying time. One week is a long time and as you can already see the uproar starts to decline. By next week only a handfull of ppl will still be posting on forums about this sht. They are doing damage and crowd control now. I still believe they expected us to behave like this and they expected to lose this many accounts. I don't find it a problem for a company to lose 1.5 % of it's customers (accounts) when the overall profit will be at least twice as much. If anything, they are not stupid. They are following the BASIC steps of crowd control trying to minimize the loss, as company would do. After all, it`s better to lose only 1.2% of your total subscribers instead of 2%. Bottom line, I see no PANIC MODE at CCP. If they were in panic, they would've came with a TOTALLY clear, indubitable statement and they would've dropped the NEX Store.
They are in PANIC MODE, about the leaks. Not about the NEX.
I also said they are "trying a different spin on it". Which is true.
You might be right on the panic mode about the leaks (actually I think you are spot on). It shows that at least some of the employees are very unhappy with the new direction CCP is heading, risking their jobs with those leaks. That makes you think MAJOR changes are happening inside CCP that will alter the way the company worked until now. What could that be? :)))
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 12:10:19 CCP = them.
10mins on google+linkedin with the right keywords and you'll get the picture.
I know, I found very interesting information about shareholders, ppl, companies, offshores, connections, countries... I'm actually afraid to say more.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: VeloxMors
Originally by: Kuronaga Well, I know that ******* Thor owns 35% of the shares or so, and both him and his father are crooks.
That would explain a lot.
Yeah but Thor is broke, he ruined his daddy's business empire :)
Brings a smile to my face :)
Hope ppl will understand why the "sudden" greed. It blows your mind when you actually see the BIG FCKING PICTURE.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Angeliq on 27/06/2011 12:33:16
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 12:28:31 Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 12:27:19 edit the **** mate, evading censor is against rules
edit: lol
Were you "aproached" by anyone since this "crysis" started?
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Angeliq on 27/06/2011 13:17:39 Ok... So they basically need the NEX Store only for a few months, maybe 1 year or so to clean (read -laundry-) some "iskies". It's funny how you can make (read -justify-) money out of thin air :)
The "people in charge" don't care if NEX Store will ruin the game. That's not the problem. lol The "people in charge" don't care if the game will be shutdown. They are using EVE now as a test for WoD anyway - which will be their FLAG SHIP. Easier to "clean" money with that "business model". Hilmar is just a pawn. He has no power to make any decisions. Why is CCP acting like this? Crown control. Too much curiosity and research might lead way down the rabbit hole. Not good for "business".
STOP with all the logical arguments. It's no use. There are more at stake here than just "the game experience".
HINT: Island is not part of European Union HINT: Island has a rather convenient economical crysis nowdays HINT: Island has a very flexible approach on fiscality/taxation policy (read -tax heaven-) HINT: Check CCP Shareholders HINT: Further check those companies HINT: Check those companies some more:) HINT: Check the owners of those companies HINT: Check them again and the connections they have with Mother Land :) FINAL HINT: FRUIT (read -****-) OFF!
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Angeliq
Ok... So they basically need the NEX Store only for a few months, maybe 1 year or so to clean (read -laundry-) some "iskies". It's funny how you can make (read -justify-) money out of thin air :)
The "people in charge" don't care if NEX Store will ruin the game. That's not the problem. lol The "people in charge" don't care if the game will be shutdown. They are using EVE now as a test for WoD anyway - which will be their FLAG SHIP. Easier to "clean" money with that "business model". Hilmar is just a pawn. He has no power to make any decisions. Why is CCP acting like this? Crown control. Too much curiosity and research might lead way down the rabbit hole. Not good for "business".
STOP with all the logical arguments. It's no use. There are more at stake here than just "the game experience".
HINT: Island is not part of European Union HINT: Island has a rather convenient economical crysis nowdays HINT: Island has a very flexible approach on fiscality/taxation policy (read -tax heaven-) HINT: Check CCP Shareholders HINT: Further check those companies HINT: Check those companies some more:) HINT: Check the owners of those companies HINT: Check them again and the connections they have with Mother Land :) FINAL HINT: FRUIT (read -****-) OFF!
I like you. You think.
At times like this I wish your statement wasn't true. I would've been much more happier at the cover of ignorance and stupidity.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:27:00 -
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Want to know why?
http://www.fme.is/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=5877(page 7)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Bjorgolfsson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Thorsteinsson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfur_Gu%C3%B0mundsson
http://is.linkedin.com/in/villithorsteinsson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_Partners
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/information/bjorgolfur-thor-bjorgolfsson/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straumur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsbanki
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/07/iceland.banking
http://www.eveonline.com/externalLink.aspx?l=http%3A%2F%2Ftranslate.google.com%2Ftranslate%3Fjs%3Dn%26prev%3D_t%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26layout%3D2%26eotf%3D1%26sl%3Dis%26tl%3Den%26u%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dv.is%252Ffrettir%252F2010%252F10%252F16%252Feve-online-malar-gull-fyrir-ccp%252F%26act%3Durl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaupthing_Bank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Angeliq on 28/06/2011 21:34:01
Originally by: Tugrath Akers
Originally by: Angeliq
Want to know why?
Executive summary?
I'm AFRAID I can't :) Just give those links half hour of your time if your that interested in EVE. I'm sure you'll see the bigger picture after that. Just ask yourself how much money EVE generates?
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tethys Atreides
Originally by: Angeliq Edited by: Angeliq on 28/06/2011 21:34:01
Originally by: Tugrath Akers
Originally by: Angeliq
Want to know why?
Executive summary?
I'm AFRAID I can't :) Just give those links half hour of your time if your that interested in EVE. I'm sure you'll see the bigger picture after that. Just ask yourself how much money EVE generates?
Relevance of the American **** Party to this?
See thor's mom
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Posted - 2011.06.28 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tethys Atreides
Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Tethys Atreides
Relevance of the American **** Party to this?
See thor's mom
So you figure this a shadowy, maternal, national-socialist, corporate scheme to make me buy monacles?
Oh yeah, you are the main reason LOL You and your 80$. C'mon, your imagination can do better than that :)) Think BIG!
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Posted - 2011.06.28 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387588,00.asp
Useless.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Merivel Mar So everyone on these links are investors of CCP and in their bios they are all in financial trouble or bankrupt.
Not all and not really. It's just that they need means to convert... liquid assets :)
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Posted - 2011.06.28 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Demure Guise
Originally by: Viking Sven Edited by: Viking Sven on 28/06/2011 20:18:30
Originally by: Demure Guise I hope to god the CSM go in guns blazing, and stick to their guns as well!
lol. LOL. lol.
I can't ev- lol.
Yeah, this game is doomed.
Edit: Unless you're serious, and mean the CSM literally goes on a shooting spree in Iceland and does a hostile takeover of CCP. That has a higher chance of working.
No, metaphorical, oratorical guns. :D
Check Beverage businessman in S. Ptrsbrg Only the non-metaphorical guns would've helped them... for a while LOL.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:04:00 -
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^^ READ! ^^
After you read this, do you honestly believe that "The One Who's Name Shall Not Be Spoken" (the major shareholder of CCP) cares about the gaming experience? Do you honestly believe that he's concerned about ruining the game? About ruining the in-game market, economics and balance? Do you honestly believe that he gives a damn about all the ppl raging here on forums? Do you think that he cares about EVE Online? Do you think he cares about the income EVE Online makes from players? Do you think he cares about how much will an EVE Online player spend on NEX Store?
Here's my take on this! CCP has no authority, no power over these late decisions. CCP is just following orders, Hilmar, CCP Zulu, CCP Pann, CCP Fallout, CCP whatever, they can't do anything about this, that's why most of them are as upset about those changes as we are, maybe even more, considering the fact that their (most loved) project is going to be screwed up and maybe even shut down eventually. As for CSM... LOL they weren't even consulted in all those late decisions. It's ALL JUST AN ACT, A CHARADE. This is why some of CCP's employees leaked documents and this is why everybody is afraid to speak. They, just like us, are only puppets.
For obvious reasons I will not elaborate more on this story, but for EVE's sake, wake up ppl, OPEN YOUR EYES!
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