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Wakeland
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Tippia You no longer have the confidence of the community. You have managed to contradict and suppress yourself into a position of zero trustworthiness. This is not something you can ôPRö yourselves out of ù it requires a drastic change in organisational culture (good luck), a drastic change in communications strategy (good luck), and, yes, quite possibly killing some of your darlings (tough luck).
QFT
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:37:00 -
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Wouldn't it be horrible if a CCP employee leaked previous newsletters.
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Tosser Galore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:38:00 -
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Brahan Seer
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:38:00 -
[3724]
Originally by: Istyn
Originally by: Brahan Seer Tbh i cant understand why people are complaining about the MT's so much when you can ignore it if you want. What you cant ignore is the DOOR the horrible DOOR. I want to spin my ship in station view again PLEEEEEEEASE... im begging you CCP, let me spin my ship again, it's like a drug, i need it, i want.
Learn to read the newsletter and thread.
No im not going to read the thread. I dont care about the newsletter. I want to spin my ship dammit. _________- Since 2004 |
C0deb1ue
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:38:00 -
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over 300000 reads... hardcore... uf they won't post for this, I can't imagine many other threads reaching enough of a momentum to make them post...
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Amon Dai
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Algathas
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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harpya yarranda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:38:00 -
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My unsubbing text (just 2 accounts that I resubbed recetly):
Microtransactions? Lying to CSM? Not caring about the paying community? Squeezing money from the fine people who offer us applications that exceed Eve functionality (Evemon, EFT, Dotlan). Well, I resign as a Eve player untill things will improve.
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Morrow Borric
Minmatar Reikoku
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Isis Soryu
Originally by: Sloshyblooms
Originally by: Tippia You no longer have the confidence of the community. You have managed to contradict and suppress yourself into a position of zero trustworthiness. This is not something you can ôPRö yourselves out of ù it requires a drastic change in organisational culture (good luck), a drastic change in communications strategy (good luck), and, yes, quite possibly killing some of your darlings (tough luck).
Well said and QFT.
This is a good post.
Not empty quoting ------------------------------------------ "I used to play Eve Online because I enjoyed how it made me feel, now I play to stop from getting sick." |
Che Jin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Villaneous Wouldn't it be horrible if a CCP employee leaked previous newsletters.
Paging Mr. Assange, Mister Julian Assange.
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Jin Leegai
Knights of the Crimson Dynasty Bi0Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:39:00 -
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Maybe we should try not to resort to personal attacks, death threats, and memes.
It does not help our side of the argument at all.
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QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers Situation Normal.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Brahan Seer
Originally by: Istyn
Originally by: Brahan Seer Tbh i cant understand why people are complaining about the MT's so much when you can ignore it if you want. What you cant ignore is the DOOR the horrible DOOR. I want to spin my ship in station view again PLEEEEEEEASE... im begging you CCP, let me spin my ship again, it's like a drug, i need it, i want.
Learn to read the newsletter and thread.
No im not going to read the thread. I dont care about the newsletter. I want to spin my ship dammit.
Open your ship fitting window and spin it there.
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Dr Epitope
Acme Import Export
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez I would like to remind Pann of this:
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
(thanks Tippia for the godly wall of text)
Nice.
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Darod Zyree
Gallente Zyree Holding
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Darod Zyree on 24/06/2011 13:47:48
moment of truth CCP, your choice to answer or not answer will decide the amount of subscriptions/account cancelations by the end of the day.[/yellow][/H2] -Darod- |
leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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good read Linkage hope this **** from ccp is getting off the forums and gets noticed else where bud publicity = no new players
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Scortched Merc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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How many pages will this thread go... 10mil iskies to the winner... post your bets!
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Leegai Maybe we should try not to resort to personal attacks, death threats, and memes.
It does not help our side of the argument at all.
It keeps read entertaning tho
Besides, CCP never cared about feeback, why would they start now? |
Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shingi Yu
I ROFLd
+100 internetz to you, sir.
--- Donations from retiring capsuleers are welcome. |
Stone Cold'Killer
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Amon Dai
Originally by: Algathas
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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I'll repeat myself alittle:
"Greed is Good?" <-See that questionmark on the coverpage, the pdf is to raise debate. "Gordon Gekko edition" Anyone with minimal capability to reflect and see humour, satir or irony, that also know what gordon gekko represent will just reading that cover page realize the document is written to cause a stir and not be taken seriously.
That all the silly ideas the lead designer knows are bad for eve, that he presents them in such a document? When he is the guy that usualy is most likely to know them, and know their counters. He is the one best suited to present the silly ideas in a debate document, he knows what things would be bad that would doable with MT.
That AUR items are so high? No sudden increase in PLEX demand, since few will want to spend that much. No increase in PLEX demand=No money for the PLEX market speculants that hoped they could sell their stockpiles of isk for Much profit with the realase of Noble Store(tm). Slowly easing the noble prices down to not benefit a group that speculateded on what will happen with a patch? Hmm, I think CCP said just that; We'll try to keep people from profiting from patch speculations. Best done with initialy high prices to not spike demand.
Lied to the CSM? What if they inface know their game well enough and thus dont have any real plans to introduce non vanity items in EvE and the document is only there to cause an inhouse stir? That such devils advocate documents/forum of debate exists and should exist in a corporation. Big shock. We have one guy saying 'What is in fearless have a habit of becoming doctrine!'. Also the gordon gekko edition of fearless?
Till they actually introduce non vanity items. Stop fedding the helicity warrior brigade trolling and attempts at occluding reason from the forum. I wish eve forums were moderated like teamliquid.net, we would not have a problem then.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Quote: non-Vanity items for AUR ...
= an instant unsub.
And being forced to use CQ while having the hangar view taken away is seriously trying my patience.
yep well no hangar we get over it no big deal i guess. Even as an option it would be nice and definitely help the immersion.
non-vanity for AUR is death of EVE. Simply put.
By non-vanity : special ships with special layouts and bonuses / special mods / special ammo etc.
vanity items : 1run BPC for same stat different model/paint job ships. And genreally the fluff.
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
[3741]
Originally by: PresidentScrewb
Parley is not to be given, it has to be earned.
QFT -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Sloshyblooms
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kitsunebi Sol'Rayven It seems this is the NGE all over again! Why is there still no response from anyone!!!
PR department saw a threadnought with 120+ pages of frothing customer rage and said "F this, im out."
Seriously though, I am really curious to see how they spin the whole Pay-to-win lie.
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Lorna Sicling
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
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A very sad state of affairs.
Congrats on stepping up and making a statement, I sincerely hope that you're all burried in Iceland at the moment with lots of coffee working on a very carefully worded response to answer at least some of the issues.
I expect that the new currency and MT shop will stay and is no doubt in some way linked to the uncoming Dust514 + Eve interaction.
Please do not go back on your statement to the CSM that MT would be vanity only. As many have said (and I agree), if you really do offer things like Aur for standings etc, you will have a serious problem.
The internal newsletter - seriously guys just look at what happens in the UK when a government memo is leaked - look at what our national press does to them, they hunt them down without mercy. You can be so much better than that. How many people have lost their jobs sending "joke" emails or memos or Facebook comments etc. If you make newsletters like that, even if it is somebody playing devils advocate to force debate, make sure you are ready to respond to the consequences if it gets leaked.
In fact, why not consult and involve your customers more in this?
You have the CSM, why not spend some time at each summit in a "debating society" format. Pick a (probably) controversial topic and then make people take extreme for and against positions and debate it out. You'll have fun and learn lots. Many points may not be serious or credible, but by doing it you'll maybe be able to judge the spectrum of responses the wider community might have. See the previous 120+ pages for examples.
Clarify this quickly please. Was this purely an extreme viewpoint tongue-in-cheek to force debate - if so what about the mirror newsletter countering the argument?
Seriously, I absolutely love Eve and hope to be playing for years to come, but this is all putting it's long-term future in doubt.
1 post - 3 accounts.
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Brahan Seer
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aina O'Sinnor
Originally by: Brahan Seer Tbh i cant understand why people are complaining about the MT's so much when you can ignore it if you want. What you cant ignore is the DOOR the horrible DOOR. I want to spin my ship in station view again PLEEEEEEEASE... im begging you CCP, let me spin my ship again, it's like a drug, i need it, i want.
It's actually not about the MT. Read more.
Ok, if it's not about the MT, then i care even less what you're all complaining about. It all comes down to how we play the game and effect how we play the game. everything else is irrelevant. if at the very least they bring back an option for the station view, i'll be happy as a guy called larry _________- Since 2004 |
Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 13:41:50
Originally by: Jin Leegai Maybe we should try not to resort to personal attacks, death threats, and memes.
It does not help our side of the argument at all.
We were promised our spin devblog today and here we are over half way through CCP's workday and not ****. How long do you think ****ed off players who act like like lunatics when things don't go this wrong will be civil?
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Nikolae Varius
Amarr Mongrel Squad Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29 Hi, everyone
Some of you who have been around for a while may remember me. I was the original community manager for EVE. These days, I oversee the PR and Community teams. While most of what I do happens behind the curtains, I am still aware of whatÆs going on front and center. I would be lying if I said that whatÆs happening now didnÆt make me sad, but IÆm not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, IÆm here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade.
ItÆs clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. ThereÆs a lot happening, things are changing quickly and we havenÆt been as forthcoming as you were used to in the past. IÆm willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off. I was wrong to do that and I apologize. We should have said something much sooner. We should have done more to address your concerns and be forthcoming, even if we werenÆt going to be able to immediately give you all of the answers you were looking for or the answer your questions in ways that will instantly turn those frowns upside down. To be even more candid, I cannot answer all of your questions, either, but I am working with the people who can to start getting those answers for you. Again, I know weÆre doing this past the expiration date of your patience but I hope youÆll bear with me. I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you donÆt know me from Adam. I havenÆt earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you û but I am going to try, anyway. Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?
Like I said, I wonÆt be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weÆll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainÆs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IÆm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.
If youÆve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Humbly yours, ~P~
*edited to fix a "doh!" typo
U mad bro?
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
[3747]
Well you asked and you sure got it!
* Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
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Ivanna Nuke
Gallente Holders Of The Cowbell
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:41:00 -
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I think what needs to be said has been said, CCP have made a mistake, we all have made mistakes. The fact is it's how you deal with the aftermath of said mistake which determines the outcome and respect you may claim back.
Your move CCP I await to see how you handle this.
( May I also suggest for bonus points more work towards OSX users ? )
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Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dograzor
Originally by: PresidentScrewb
Parley is not to be given, it has to be earned.
QFT
I really just want to be a part of this thread. ---
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Sol Kal'orr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 13:42:00 -
[3750]
Originally by: Scortched Merc How many pages will this thread go... 10mil iskies to the winner... post your bets!
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