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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 19:03:52
Originally by: Sirus Prime Ok, new slogan for this thread, or rather The Thread. "The Thread- A never ending story."
Took you 409 pages, and over 12,000 posts to come up with THAT?
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Sirus Prime
Caldari Xero Corporation SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 27/06/2011 19:03:52
Originally by: Sirus Prime Ok, new slogan for this thread, or rather The Thread. "The Thread- A never ending story."
Took you 409 pages, and over 12,000 posts to come up with THAT?
Did you like the original "The Thread, 1% Bull****, 101% win." better?
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:05:00 -
[12273]
Originally by: RougeOperator
I think though the thin edge was plex itself.
Yep. I didn't like it when PLEX was introduced. But it wasn't enough for me to go ballistic.
The aggregate of the things which happened over the last couple weeks, however ...
Well, I was part of the rabble shooting the invulnerable monument in Jita.
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Probably Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:08:00 -
[12274]
Wait shouldn't the new motto for this issue follow along CCP's own lines: "We don't give a **** what CCP says, we only believe what they DO"
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Alariele
Caldari Obscure Ops Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Probably Alt Wait shouldn't the new motto for this issue follow along CCP's own lines: "We don't give a **** what CCP says, we only believe what they DO"
+1 Good call there
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: RougeOperator
I think though the thin edge was plex itself.
Yep. I didn't like it when PLEX was introduced. But it wasn't enough for me to go ballistic.
The aggregate of the things which happened over the last couple weeks, however ...
Well, I was part of the rabble shooting the invulnerable monument in Jita.
BINGO!
There is a subtle difference in who purchases PLEX which is *easy* to wash over in the "debate". People will religiously say "Someone pays real money, it doesn't matter in the end". With some "community team" seeding no doubt.
However;
PLEX buyer - someone with isk, someone who's been playing longer. PLEX seller - someone without isk, someone new
From the moment PLEX was released all dev became focused on NPE and the 7 month churn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:10:00 -
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Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd Edited by: Smagd on 27/06/2011 12:56:41 Hey Miilla:
I realize you're trying to raise awareness of this thread, but you're kinda overdoing the good. Is it really necessary to post at least 3 contributions each page, and also in yellow?
I'd kinda like for the important messages not to get buried in attention grabber yellow speculation, PC help requests and repeating yourself.
You and that Maximus guy hold over 6% of the contributions to this thread with the combined next three posters not reaching even one of your posts, so if CCP (or we) mentally subtract them that invalidates 25 pages of this thread already.
That said, I don't think your math is entirely as easy as you'd like it to be:
If 10% of an average $300-per-annum MMO quit, that's exactly the same relative financial loss as if 10% of an average $5000-per-annum MMO quit.
You'll have to dig into whether more bitter vets are likely to quit in the $5000-per-annum MMO than the cheaper one.
Also, I'm just white knighting proper math here. I still don't want micro transactions for in game benefits.
Meh, I have really enjoyed seeing Miila's posts each page. I mean comon, the more fuel for the fire the better. Everything is buried in this thread anyway, under the massive piles of CCP fail, and by now all the relevant points are abundantly clear.
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sellerofplex
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:10:00 -
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-1 account till ccp speak the truth about game changing mt
vanity items yeah ok not gona buy a monical for 1.4 bill isk anyway but i can see the uber rich doing it for the lolz
but mt for ships skills standings ammo errrm no thanks if i wanted that id play black prophecy or some other f2p pay to win game
this is what makes eve great a sandbox with a sub and no mt in it
so keep mt and get rid of th 14 euro per month sub make eve just like all the rest f2p pay to win
or kepp it sub based and gtfo with the microtransactions
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 19:12:43
Originally by: Ren Nekk
Meh, I have really enjoyed seeing Miila's posts each page. I mean comon, the more fuel for the fire the better. Everything is buried in this thread anyway, under the massive piles of CCP fail, and by now all the relevant points are abundantly clear.
There are 15 pages of ponies back there somewhere :-)
edit: maybe more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion
<cool pics here>
Vandrion: that sums it up nicely
btw, replied to you earlier - I have already voted for T'Ambers thread: NO MT, NO NeX, nothing, zip, nada - they will get tempted (or the next mgmt team will) so don't open the door. ----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
Sirus Prime
Caldari Xero Corporation SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:15:00 -
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Someone said something about ponies.
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Sarah Chronner
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:19:00 -
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Dear CCP Pann and eve community. I would like to put my 2 cents towards this argument as a subscription payer and long time eve gamer. I have been playing eve since 2007 and I find the game has steadily been getting better and better all the while. I love eve as my fave game out. I'm a big sci-fi fan and this game suits me perfectly.
That being said, watching the community tear itself apart and in doing so putting the future of my fave game into doubt is not what I want to see. I have read much of what has been said here and read CCPs replies thus far, I have also seen for myself in game the pricing of the NeX store. My conclusions are this:
1. I have to be in full agreement with my community members that the pricing of the NeX store is WAY way out of balance. We are talking the cost of 1 plex for 3500 Aur (thats around 400M isk) Then the price of the items on the store are from 1000 (thats ok i guess) to 12,000 (not ok) To buy the occular implant is 4 plexs or 1.6 billion isk. Which is utterly absurd.
Make this much worse and which I can see the main player base is in up-roar about, is that people often buy plex with real money. This means 4 plex for an eye piece that nobody cares a damn about, will set you back by Ç70
I have to say at this point did you CCP not look at the value of real money and of ISK before putting this content into the game? The items for sale here are not real life goods, they are virtual, and they are not useful in game in anyway at all, just eye candy. So why make them cost so much money? A better price would be no more than Ç5 for your most expensive items. virtual useless goods.
Take a look at the app store for apple, they sell useful games and apps for your smart phones many of which are from $1 to $5. Much much more has gone into developing them than clothing in Nex I am certain.
Now, while I do agree CCP is in the wrong for implementing bad pricing, I can say that there is still time for CCP to fix this and make this right again. Simply patch the game again re-setting the prices to a normal level. End of issue there.
And for the players who are creating a lot of problems and trouble I say this, If you do not like it, DO NOT BUY IT. Simples!
Now the second issue is this stuff about the news letter going on to say CCP plans to make other things pop up on the nex market like faction standings etc. I say, NO. Do not do that please. You have to work for faction standings etc, your getting your money out of the player base in subscription fees as they take ages and ages to mission run etc for standings. There is no need nor place to add that to a shop in game. Buying ammo etc, I see no problem with that as long as it is standardised, faction or tech II ammo and of comparable market price. But then why bother? you have a market. Why bother adding market goods to the nex store? No need nor point. I strongly think the Nex store should be for vanity goods and clothing and maybe ship logos only. Therefore there is no need to buy from it if you dont want to. And nobody can get a head of other people from buying good in Nex.
I am almost ashamed of the eve community for their over the top reaction to a minor issue. Battles can be won with words and discussion rather than antimatter charges and torpedoes. People just chill out. CCP get your acts together and balance the NeX prices accordingly, and give non-vanity items a knock on the head. That should sort this out for everyone.
Lastly can we have the option to revert station interiors back to how they used to be before incarna? I do not mind the new look stations, but it all serves zero purpose right now until you open the rest of the station up. I have disabled the station interiors but would like to still see my ship, make it happen please.
CCP, you should really listen to your peers here, without us you are out of a job. You should be doing everything you can to make this game what we want it to be so we will be happy to spend our money!
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Chronner I am almost ashamed of the eve community for their over the top reaction to a minor issue. Battles can be won with words and discussion rather than antimatter charges and torpedoes. People just chill out. CCP get your acts together and balance the NeX prices accordingly, and give non-vanity items a knock on the head. That should sort this out for everyone.
You, you did not get a thing about what's going on do you ?
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Hel Xaphod
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:25:00 -
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Fast forward to 2012 - "Eve? Isn't that one of those MMOs from Korea? I think I played that for a few weeks..."
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Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:28:00 -
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"After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store." Hilmar.
I wonder who is that 52 idiots who purchased that s*it?
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Sirus Prime
Caldari Xero Corporation SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar "After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store." Hilmar.
I wonder who is that 52 idiots who purchased that s*it?
Members of CCP HQ.
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kestrael nanahara
Caldari Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:29:00 -
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Well hello thread good late afternoon.
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Karvinious
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hel Xaphod Fast forward to 2012 - "Eve? Isn't that one of those MMOs from Korea? I think I played that for a few weeks..."
So this. I pray, and I usually do not pray, this not to happen.
GTFO MT
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 19:32:13
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar "After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store." Hilmar.
I wonder who is that 52 idiots who purchased that s*it?
I have seen like 5 of them posting. Seems the got them to troll people. I can somewhat respect that dedication. 70 in real life money to troll is something to respect.
Doesnt change the fact its baloney what CCP is trying to pull.
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Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sirus Prime
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar "After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store." Hilmar.
I wonder who is that 52 idiots who purchased that s*it?
Members of CCP HQ.
Ahhh it makes sense..thou what profit is he talking about then?
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Psychlo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:31:00 -
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With all that has been said, (and I have not read it all), the quite killer is that a lot of the serious long time players may have reached their breaking point and leave. Not sure about the majority, but HALF the game is the people I play with. The lost of the real players (the ones who understand what this all means), leaves us with a bunch of tards. Cool game mechanics with only tards is still an epic fail. Like a company loosing all its talent, we are loosing the players that really move and shake this game. It is really sad. I hope they fix it, but I am quite concerned that the damage is done as folks move on. I for one am behind the community and have cancelled all but one account to send a clear message to the CEO. . .since he isn't listening to what I say at all.
It's been great time with all of you. I can only hope that we can do it again.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Chronner
Buying ammo etc, I see no problem with that as long as it is standardised, faction or tech II ammo and of comparable market price. But then why bother? you have a market. Why bother adding market goods to the nex store? No need nor point.
You are right that selling the same things would be pointless. Even if they did and people bought it, that would take away from other players that produce those things and all the pirates that try to stop them.
Part of the concern of the community is CCP will add things that can be gotten in no other way than the Nex store. This would not only cause a P2W situation, but all those 'normal' game things are now substandard.
As for the community, when you gather a large group of people, with a similar concern, and they are angry, mobs form. It's quite normal in human history. People that play Eve aren't going to be different in that regard, especially people that like to shoot each other with internet space ships and smack in local.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Sarah Chronner
Buying ammo etc, I see no problem with that as long as it is standardised, faction or tech II ammo and of comparable market price. But then why bother? you have a market. Why bother adding market goods to the nex store? No need nor point.
You are right that selling the same things would be pointless. Even if they did and people bought it, that would take away from other players that produce those things and all the pirates that try to stop them.
Part of the concern of the community is CCP will add things that can be gotten in no other way than the Nex store. This would not only cause a P2W situation, but all those 'normal' game things are now substandard.
As for the community, when you gather a large group of people, with a similar concern, and they are angry, mobs form. It's quite normal in human history. People that play Eve aren't going to be different in that regard, especially people that like to shoot each other with internet space ships and smack in local.
CCP really messed up their greed with the MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS strategy.
Now the thing with this strategy is... the churn is MORE PAINFUL than other MMO games because it distorts the figures and amplifies the cancellation impact.
Say 300,000 accounts, and 10,000 of those customers cancel, no big deal right? Wrong.
A lot of those cancellations have 2x or even 8x accounts, not an even distrubution among the cancellations but lets say for example it is.
That 10,000 cancellations suddently gets amplified to 20,000 or even 80,000 cancellations, which IS a big impact on the 300,000 accounts.
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kestrael nanahara
Caldari Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Psychlo With all that has been said, (and I have not read it all), the quite killer is that a lot of the serious long time players may have reached their breaking point and leave. Not sure about the majority, but HALF the game is the people I play with. The lost of the real players (the ones who understand what this all means), leaves us with a bunch of tards. Cool game mechanics with only tards is still an epic fail. Like a company loosing all its talent, we are loosing the players that really move and shake this game. It is really sad. I hope they fix it, but I am quite concerned that the damage is done as folks move on. I for one am behind the community and have cancelled all but one account to send a clear message to the CEO. . .since he isn't listening to what I say at all.
It's been great time with all of you. I can only hope that we can do it again.
See you in another life brother. Someday there will be another game as good as eve im sure we will all gravitate twords.
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Caladan Broood
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:38:00 -
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We've seen the email that went out but I have the original version that was SUPPOSED to go out, someone goofed and sent the wrong email! The original per my sources: (satire)
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact the EVE players are the kind of base that if CCP tries to implement a misdirected play-to-win scheme, they instinctively crank up their voice notch or ten. That, they certainly have done this week. First off we have Incarna, an amazing patch that was untested technological and left many users with over-headed computers and graphics cards while at the same time needlessly encumbering the docking and fitting process. A vision from years ago went unrealized and no one could have imaged how hard Incarna failed; we still dream however. The rollout went with some negative feedback; in some cases negative feedback came faster than what had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement for failing to provide quality testing. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand heads lowered, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality lapses one can apply to virtual worlds with the cumbersome and bugged Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to mistakenly believe in your own corporate spin as true and force a new money grab scheme via a new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world, but not in the way expected or envisioned by our PR manager. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to redefining how EVE has operated for the last eight years, regardless of assumptions made to the contrary. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store which we will use to fly in the CSM to Iceland on an emergency basis to help us figure out how to make 4,000+ canceled subscriptions return.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly incompetent and self-delusional professionals, soliciting input and perspective from Zulu (almost exclusively) and experts in our coffee lounge. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels which some spiteful employee leaked to the EVE community. This should not come as a surprise to anyone that EVE players shut down the trade hubs, they were not to be informed prior to patching in the new gold-ammo.
Currently we are seeing ôvery predictable feedbackö on what we are doing but not on the predicted scale. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Unfortunately, so far what they say and what they do has been the same thing, leading to our current predicament. Innovation takes courage to be upfront with your users and when we lay the ground work to implement what the players do not want and what we have said we would not implement, the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable because we need that new income to pay for the CSM flights and our two other games in development. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to ôwhat is actually happeningö and new knowledge gained from begging the CSM for help.
All that said, I couldnÆt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company up to this point, changing the EVE world is hard and we will start treating our customers with respect and start to actually begin listening to their issues before implementing money-grab schemes.
(end)
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 19:32:13
Originally by: Askereus Sajuuk-Khar "After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store." Hilmar.
I wonder who is that 52 idiots who purchased that s*it?
I have seen like 5 of them posting. Seems the got them to troll people. I can somewhat respect that dedication. 70 in real life money to troll is something to respect.
Doesnt change the fact its baloney what CCP is trying to pull.
List of known Monocles. (Bounty inside)
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pk blinder
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:40:00 -
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Still angry about this CCP and toughing it out isnt going to work. The negative publicity is pretty horrendous and you are turning into a classic example of how not to deal with your customer base.
As before, I don't care about price of fancy clothing items or walking in stations. I am however concerned about your complete lack of development around the core game of Eve (yes, that boring old internet spaceships thingy that makes you millions per year). Without that, then Eve is just another FPShopping game.
So come on. Time for some customer communication. Until then, Jita it is.
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Askereus Sajuuk-Khar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:44:00 -
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1 monocular = ~4 plexes, 4 plexes = ~70 $, 70$x52= 3640$ in 40 hours... now just tell me why they will refuse this flow of money..they are happy, we are not, but what's the matter? Those who will stay here and will buy such s*it will do for them, even more, they will get more revenue then we all stay here and pay subscribes. Simple.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:45:00 -
[12300]
Weird that CCP employees are chatting away on Twitter, but they can't come and talk to us. Seems like there is a strong network between some old EVE players and CCP employees - we all pay the same subscription fee, are we not entitled to the same information?
Screw you CCP, you are really a mickey-mouse company ----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
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