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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:56:19
Originally by: Headerman I for one get alot of enjoyment out of Eve and i am happy to pay to keep them going and expanding. The whole 'Greed is good' email made CCP look like they wanted a pay rise. But it not, and they really do need the money, i am fine with it.
$8m in 4 months. That's 114285.7142857143 Monocles to be exact.
Better start shopping rich boy.
Hmmm i have 17 chars, so thats 17 monacles... 3 plex each... should be easily do-able.
You want one too Hobo?
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Zeko Rena
Caldari Tankt
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:07:00 -
[12482]
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 28/06/2011 01:56:19
Originally by: Headerman I for one get alot of enjoyment out of Eve and i am happy to pay to keep them going and expanding. The whole 'Greed is good' email made CCP look like they wanted a pay rise. But it not, and they really do need the money, i am fine with it.
$8m in 4 months. That's 114285.7142857143 Monocles to be exact.
Better start shopping rich boy.
I know, they can start selling $1000 jeans with EVE logo's on each bum cheek, that should help right, prolly sell 52 of those as well --------------------------
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Kilmiester
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Maeve Nightside Real world loans are only part of their prob.
They sold a lot of PLEX to the players. It is like taking out a bond (since plex represents game time. If redeemed it means a drop in subscription income). They have a lot of leveraged debt in game too.
If called in suddenly, it would be a potential hit to their ability to continue operations because their cash-on-hand could dry up.
I don't think they legally have to honor any of it. But it would be pretty disasterous PR to simply delete them all in game or cease honoring them. Not like they're doing much better here, but I guess that's subjective. But, anyone who was evaluating their company's finances would percieve them as a liablity for that exact reason. Very Predictable Feedback. |
Lakuma
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:24:00 -
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Given the way CCP has managed this PR disaster, it doesn't surprise me the executives 'bet the company' on such a long and blew it on development of games-not-released (i.e. stuff that doesn't return investment in a short time?). I'm glad I don't invest in CCP...oh wait...
...don't we pay subscriptions as an investment into a game that will continually improve itself?
Bummer.
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Maeve Nightside
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kilmiester
Originally by: Maeve Nightside Real world loans are only part of their prob.
They sold a lot of PLEX to the players. It is like taking out a bond (since plex represents game time. If redeemed it means a drop in subscription income). They have a lot of leveraged debt in game too.
If called in suddenly, it would be a potential hit to their ability to continue operations because their cash-on-hand could dry up.
I don't think they legally have to honor any of it. But it would be pretty disasterous PR to simply delete them all in game or cease honoring them. Not like they're doing much better here, but I guess that's subjective. But, anyone who was evaluating their company's finances would percieve them as a liablity for that exact reason.
Good points. They are probably percieved as a liability, hence the desire to erase them using NeX. And it would be tough to explain eliminating their redemption from a PR perspective.
If CCP were to stop redeeming PLEX, the whole MT market would bomb. They are in a position where they can not change the nature of PLEX because if they did, there would be no purchase to fuel the MT model.
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Holly Cleland
Special Operations Foxhound
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mechael
Originally by: Holly Cleland Edited by: Holly Cleland on 28/06/2011 01:22:09
Originally by: RougeOperator Perhaps you missed that that ship has sailed the over the last week. No one thinks much of them anymore after all this bad press.
Say that to Activision.
Seriously? Activision? They're even worse. Only the uninformed and the greedy think much of Activision.
I hate Activision, are you so stupid you couldn't understand what I was saying, I was saying, Activision a soul suckingly evil company who only want money, only produce games that are 'exploitably' to quote the CEO, still make bucket loads of money despite being the biggest evil known to gaming today, they are living proof that company with bad press can still be a very effective company.
Wasn't even worth me dumbing this down.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:42:00 -
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5200+ on Tobiaz's count
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Zero GodOfDestruction
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:02:00 -
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It's been a few pages since the last one so here it is again
Originally by: diaufop
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This video is brilliant and is a must watch for anyone angry with what CCP has done and will do. "You the people have the power!" |
Brovader
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:07:00 -
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Id Agree with most ****ed off players no rmt with noble items or vanity whatever, also i want my old hanger with my spining ship. I dont care for the CQ at all its pretty ******ed. Make it optional or give us the option of going to CQ from regular ship bay by Right click leave ship to CQ. Keep eve ingame isk only and thats about it for the new horid patch. Id like to see thruster trials again which were pretty sweet and relistic. Fix the known issues and dont mess with the supercaps anymore. theres nothing wrong with the damage they do considering a titan can one volly a carrier well fit or not,leave sc fighterbombers alone, just cuz carriers want to play station games and get all butt hurt when you drop a sc or 2 on them and they cant dock in there aggresion timer and pop.
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Lord Timelord
GETCO Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Timelord on 28/06/2011 03:21:41 I just checked the EVE General Discussion Section going all the way down to p.106, and see that you can no longer find this particular thread from that section. Looks like they are trying HARD to keep the public from finding it easily!
*EDIT* It popped back up when I posted. Thread now has 1,130,565 VIEWS!
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Haradriel Tian
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:22:00 -
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A plex is no different the a person that already paid for a subscription in advance. By the logic being used if I pay for my sub a year in advance. Im a liability until my sub comes up again? Just cause im not spreading out my payments.
I don't see it as a liability as many present it to be. CCP gets IRL money for them. Its simply the same as people buying subs for blocks of months or a year. You just need to spread out that income out.
They just need to plan around them better. Such as when you pay for a block of months they need to consider that income split up over those months. They should be able to come up with a formula based on plex redemption to account for them.
And technically they make more on plex since its at full price and not discount as it is for long term subscribers. Plex users are actually paying more to play the game when you think about it.
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:31:00 -
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I'm laying down my sword for a while...
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: MarcusVorenius via TWITTER
FEARLESS issue #2: Greed is Not Good - It's Awesome! Available soon (tm) | #ethics #eveonline #mmorpg #wod #dust514 #evepeasants
Dex' post on NEX store advertising is a must read: http://bit.ly/jjW5SS16 ----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Psychlo With all that has been said, (and I have not read it all), the quite killer is that a lot of the serious long time players may have reached their breaking point and leave. Not sure about the majority, but HALF the game is the people I play with. The lost of the real players (the ones who understand what this all means), leaves us with a bunch of tards. Cool game mechanics with only tards is still an epic fail. Like a company loosing all its talent, we are loosing the players that really move and shake this game. It is really sad. I hope they fix it, but I am quite concerned that the damage is done as folks move on. I for one am behind the community and have cancelled all but one account to send a clear message to the CEO. . .since he isn't listening to what I say at all.
It's been great time with all of you. I can only hope that we can do it again.
^^This sums up my attitude perfectly, losing accounts is bad enough for CCP, losing older and experienced players is a disaster as these are the players the really influence EVE's sandbox, they are what makes EVE truely great.
Mornin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Nox Aeterna
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:46:00 -
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I leave for a while, and all hell breaks loose? Sheesh.
Last night, I did write a rather lengthy rant to be pasted here. However, since it was more angry than anything else, I will simply say this. CCP has called for a truce. The only honorable thing to do is accept it. Please, for the love of Eve, and respect for the company who gave it to you, let's tone it down a few notches, aye? I have been following this thread for most of this past weekend, and have read everything from weird conspiracy theories about Sony to some inappropriate remarks about CCP Pann's family emergency. What evidence do we have for game changing items being in the MT shop (besides a newsletter designed to exaggerate points)? We have denials about any such thing from CCP Zulu before and after the incident. So, let's see what comes out of the meeting. Which, many of you have said you will ignore anyways. If we've abandoned decency, real evidence, reason, and above all truth, then what is the point? What are we left with?
I've played a lot of MMO's, but Eve is the one I keep coming back to, over and over. I challenge you to find something better.
My subs are still active, btw. Nor do I care about a MT shop (I do care about P2W ever making it in game, however).
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 03:56:13
Originally by: Kailithi
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/06/2011 22:15:18
Originally by: Miilla
Won't take many people to leave Eve to cause CCP some serious financial pain, perhaps say they lose 20,000 actual players (and thair MANY alt accounts), that is most likely one third of their customer base GONE.
If you spent less time copy pasting the same 3 posts and more reading the Market Discussion forum (and GD) you'd have found the leaked financial statements and would know that they are already in financial pain.
So link them :P
Besides, even without aging yearly accounts the current actions (and lack thereof)of CCP are the marks of panic, desperation and denial.
I won't even touch on all the reports of the lousy wages they pay their programmers, nor the churn rate for unhappy staff. The code for Incarna alone speaks for itself. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys applying, hmmm!
One must wonder however, how they are going to pay for all these new offices and staff to develop Dust and WoD when they are killing the only game that's pulling in revenue.
Hmmm. Let me think, I am the CEO of an international company.
I have 600 staff costing me say $40k a year each. So $24 million a year in overheads just for wages.
There there's the added overheads of insurance, premises, advertising, taxes, national insurance, rates, heating, water, interest on loans, hospitality, trade shows* (the cost of which alone can add up to $1 million+ per event) ...
I have one product pulling in $54 million a year.
I have two products in development (carrying serious penalties for not reaching agreed roadmaps).
Ah, the numbers don't add up, the shareholders are NOT happy and some of the investors frankly scare me.
So what do I do? What do I do to balance the sheets.
YESSS! If works for free to play games, it worked for WoW with sparkly ponies and pets, I'll make them pay more and more for less and less. Genius!
* One day later the **** hits the fan, the employees - who repeatedly warned me this would happen - are bricking it and frankly getting on my nerves with all the crying in corners and logging onto job agency sites when they think I'm not looking *
What do I do?
Aha! I'll send a global memo telling the staff I planned for this and that the cattle, err, subscribers, will fall in line. Everything is fine people. Your jobs are safe. Who's da man?
*presses intercom*
Oh FFS, will someone pass my secretary a tissue and find me my Wizard of Oz DVD, I need to relax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Sb7IZQOsc
Great post.
edit: Does miss the fact that it's all smoke and mirrors though.
Originally by: Nox Aeterna My subs are still active, btw. Nor do I care about a MT shop (I do care about P2W ever making it in game, however).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpsLZDgFK4
Watch that and tell me what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 28/06/2011 03:41:21
Originally by: MarcusVorenius via TWITTER
FEARLESS issue #2: Greed is Not Good - It's Awesome! Available soon (tm) | #ethics #eveonline #mmorpg #wod #dust514 #evepeasants
Dex' post on NEX store advertising is a must read: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540009
Hahaha they wont answer a damn question but they lock a thread that might be spot on. LOL.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
Hahaha they wont answer a damn question but they lock a thread that might be spot on. LOL.
Pants!
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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m3talc0re X
Caldari SandStorm.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:18:00 -
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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered. If they were not going to do anything other than vanity items, they would easily set us all at ease and tell us no. By their lack of an answer, I think it's safe to say they're probably planning on going beyond vanity aur items. If I find out that is true, then my sub will be cancelled. Shame, but this rat will be leaving this sinking ship...
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:21:00 -
[12500]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered. ....
Very clearly answered in full.
CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered. ....
Very clearly answered in full.
CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.
Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.
And aside from white tree's condescending fanboi post we haven't heard much from CSM in here. So I don't see the point in waiting for a meeting that is just a pr stunt/stall tactic.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.
Why do they need CSM if they don't need to change something?
People stopped worrying about this question days ago, the answer has always been "yes".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:33:00 -
[12503]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered. ....
Very clearly answered in full.
Nope. All they said is there would be no golden ammo. There was no statement saying that game affecting items would not be obtainable through MT.
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CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.
There was nothing wrong with the original plan we signed up for, namely no microtransactions.
Eve Online has always been about advancing through the sweat of your brow, except for the few eBayers who very quickly learned that just buying a highly skilled toon is not enough and that Eve Online is not something that can be mastered overnight, to the great amusement of us all. ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:36:34 Said?
Look at what they DID! Not what they SAID!
geez, lil slow round here.
Originally by: Ilene D'over There was nothing wrong with the original plan we signed up for, namely no microtransactions.
That was never the plan. That was what we demanded. What they ignored and told us "yeah whatever" over, and over, and over again.
Check the CSM minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.
Why do they need CSM if they don't need to change something?
It would appear that, at present, the CSM is nothing more than a crumb to the player community, rubber stamping CCP's descisions.
The real value will be determined by this weekend.
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People stopped worrying about this question days ago, the answer has always been "yes".
There was no answer, just a sidestep. Or rather a sidestumble. ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:47:17 Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:39:45
Originally by: Ilene D'over There was no answer, just a sidestep. Or rather a sidestumble.
You really think CCP would let this go on so long if they had an answer you would like?
There is 1 reason. 1 and only reason why they can't tell you the answer.
Because you'd scream.
edit: I'll referrer you back to Frog in a pot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:40:00 -
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The CSM said a dozen times over "No Microtransacations, and if we MUST have microtransactions, nothing that influences the game world" and every single time CCP said "Absolutely!"
They then went on to say "You too can join CCP for a low up front fee of $500,000,000! We'll even ship all your stuff to Iceland for free!" - Incarnageddon (now 200% more readable) |
Decalfi
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:57:00 -
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Big thread. |
Hel Xaphod
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:58:00 -
[12509]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540009
Locked with this comment: CCP Zymurgist - Please do not start rumor threads.
Since when is speculation "rumor"? I would have commented in the thread itself, but it's locked...
Since CCP saw fit to add an MT store to Eve, discussions of possible repercussions seem very reasonable to me.
And since they refuse to answer questions about it, what do we have left but speculation?
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Gulliver Rex
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Posted - 2011.06.28 05:02:00 -
[12510]
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:21:17
Originally by: m3talc0re X Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This has been asked numerous times. Not once even remotely answered. ....
Very clearly answered in full.
CSM are going to Iceland with the idea to create a NEW plan or SELL the current one.
Nope, not answered at all. Even fallout conceded that point.
And aside from white tree's condescending fanboi post we haven't heard much from CSM in here. So I don't see the point in waiting for a meeting that is just a pr stunt/stall tactic.
I don't profess to know what is going on inside CCP (not that I care, nor is it any of my business to start with), or that I even fully understand what you guys are trying to make manifest here.
But, do tell, how is it any worse, any different then what is, and has been for a long time, going on in, say, USA or Great Britain, let alone Greece or some 3rd world country? In your neighborhood?
How is their financial position any worse?
Hilmar and these dudes and CSM, how are they worse than Bush or Obama or Ron Paul, or whoever might be your politician, or CEO or what not?
Are you ****ed them because they are same as you, better then you, because you thought they were Messiah?
You go an pay your tax, that tax buys a bullet and the bullet gets lodged in a skull of an innocent child, and it is called collateral damage. How do you reconcile that in your mind, and then come here and protest against breach of trust and monocles?
And those arguing pro CCP, are just the same.
The reasonable, the eloquent ... they are the worst.
You guys are funny. May this thread reach not 500, not 600, not 700, not 800, not 900, but 1000 pages!
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