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Daenna Chrysi
Amarr Omega Foundry Unit Shadows Of Betrayal
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:11:00 -
[13111]
Today the CSM has the meeting with CCP
*starts a fire under the tar*
Someone want to help with plucking the chickens? Just in case CCP screws up. Oh and those pitchforks could use some sharpening...
If they dont screw up we can have roasted chicken.
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Andramedae
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:15:00 -
[13112]
Can I buy tissues with my Aurum?
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Maeiko Tsutaidaro
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:15:00 -
[13113]
Originally by: Daenna Chrysi Today the CSM has the meeting with CCP
Live feed or it didn't happen
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:26:00 -
[13114]
Originally by: Maeiko Tsutaidaro
Originally by: Daenna Chrysi Today the CSM has the meeting with CCP
Live feed or it didn't happen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXRuoSHI6eQ
CSM meet the real CCP top-brass for first time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Kiran
Minmatar Knights of Azrael
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:32:00 -
[13115]
No answers yet then ? My poor laptop cant even render the laser graphics of my ice miners, and still no word on the NeX store.
I guess CCP are just waiting till it all blows over and we loose our wind and then starts to sell the "gold ammo" anyway.
I just wish my subs were not set up for yearly renewal's.
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Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:40:00 -
[13116]
Oh hi..... just came to see if they gave an answor yet, obviously not.
World of Tanks server is down for the big patch for 8 hours... meh... figgured I would try it incase EVE ends up with non vanity Micro Transactions.
Its quite good actually, thanks CCP for stepping on your pecker otherwise I would never have tried it!!!!
Ijits
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Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:43:00 -
[13117]
Originally by: Kiran No answers yet then ? My poor laptop cant even render the laser graphics of my ice miners, and still no word on the NeX store.
I guess CCP are just waiting till it all blows over and we loose our wind and then starts to sell the "gold ammo" anyway.
I just wish my subs were not set up for yearly renewal's.
Considering they are breaking a promise they made about never having any MT in game I would guess a petition for refund should give you some joy.
A "Verbal" contract with proof is legally binding after all.
"Arte et Marte" |
Ahernar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 07:49:00 -
[13118]
Edited by: Ahernar on 30/06/2011 08:04:52 About the PLEX issue . Lets say there is a big conflict in EVE between plex users (Alliance A) and plex sellers (the rich people , alliance B). The A guys build titans & stuff , the others just sell plex and burn expensive ships roaming . As more and more titans are sold they are becoming scarce for the producting alliance who has to supply for their needs and those of the ennemyes . The price goes up until insane ammounts when the only ones left are those needed to battle the ennemy, stopping the "cash to win" process and creating equilibrium on the battlefield .If some form of corruption appears (like in real EVE ) for ex when NC industrialists sold their supercaps to the ennemy ,at least after loosing the space they walked FILTHY RICH from it. They can use this isk to make a comeback (buy back theyr caps) becouse with the plex marked saturated (think 30 mils for the plex) the PLEX sellers have now little means to get more isk for themselves . In a MT world , the poor alliance just get swamped by the force of cash . No comeback,no equilibrium.
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Moria Kethar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 08:02:00 -
[13119]
Greetings CCP
I had considered not getting involved in this discussion (or more everyone yelling and no one answering) and remaining a lurker before this account runs out of time in a week and a half - I have already canceled the reoccurring subscription due to the abhorrent behavior of your representatives and attitude of your company toward the player base.
My decision to leave was not based purely on the recent revelations - but they did spurn the final decision I had been debating. I came to Eve for the player-run economy and universe, the spaceships, the community and the sheer mind-boggling depth of the game compared to other MMO's. This was a game where what mattered most was brains and the will to put them to work - you could be a trader, miner, explorer, pirate, whatever you wanted to. IF you worked for it.
The revelations of the past week have been nauseating - the Incarna launch and all the issues therein with the annoying, slow and resource intensive CQ interface, the Fearless newsletter revelations, the dreadful blog posts from Developers, the email evidence that the CEO does not understand the game/product or community at a basic level, and forum posts. Everything continually avoid answering THE question with a simple yes or no.
Let me make it crystal clear what the question is for myself and many others: "Will CCP at any point offer the ability for players to bypass in-game mechanics (earning SP/Standings), the player-controlled economy (items) or otherwise purchase --any-- form of game-effecting benefit for IRL money?"
This has not been a difficult question to answer in the past (see CCP Shadow, this time last year) but apparently it is impossible now to obtain a straight answer. Indeed, it appears that every single person who has addressed the community has worked very hard to avoid providing a straight, simple answer. One would think that simply saying "No, nothing of this nature is going to happen." would be faster, simpler and leave far fewer doubts in your players minds. All in all, the avoidance makes anything you and your representatives have to say extremely difficult to believe.
This very thread was started with the supposed intention of "parlaying" with the player base. Very little real communication, negotiation or debate with --us-- of any kind has happened. While my best wishes are with CCP Pann - you have other employees who could have stepped up to talk to us. Indeed, the primary communication has informed us that we are (in the eyes of CCP) being unreasonable or overreacting.
The very real impression I have is that EVE is viewed as a cash cow to be milked by CCP for as long as possible until Dust or WoD is online. That there is no real direction for improving Eve itself or evolving Eve further within the context of this wonderful universe that exists. It is simultaneously the pay-to-test bed for the technology that will go into these new games and will also provide the funds for those games.
All this, combined with ongoing ---gameplay--- issues that CCP has continually failed to address for years now. The painfully serious balance issues between faction ships, weapons (can anyone say hybrids?) combined with myrid other issues that have been ongoing for ages that no amount of prettying the stations will resolve. Gameplay -NEEDS- to come first in any game if it is to be a success.
What feeling do new Gallente players have when they get told for the first time that their faction ships are worthless, and to start training toward flying a Drake or just /unsub?
Reinforcing this is staggering self-delusion within the company re: the state - from the now infamous Hilmar email and the Dev blog posts. It seems that those making the decisions have little to no interest in resolving the issues that strike the heart of the game because they see the game as being 'premium' already.
(tl:dr) - I won't be the golden goose with game play issues that you kill to pay for other games.
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RomeoActual
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Posted - 2011.06.30 08:31:00 -
[13120]
They can't kill EVE until DUST also dies. I think if DUST flops that might start the death knell of EVE.
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T'Chani Kurr
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Posted - 2011.06.30 08:53:00 -
[13121]
Dear CCP, are you so shortsighted to see that everthing that makes eve fun is the effort in achiving something by in-game actions and not by buying my way up with real cash. This is eve and this is the sandbox philosophy, that makes the game special. Even with trading PLEX for ISK there is some means of effort a player must have spend in the game willing to pay for the PLEX.
By selling more items and even game affecting ones you break with the sandbox and leave behind a game that was something special making it outstanding compared to other MMOPGs.
regards...
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:06:00 -
[13122]
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Bump 'cos LoL
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:17:00 -
[13123]
Originally by: Moria Kethar Greetings CCP
I had considered not getting involved in this discussion (or more everyone yelling and no one answering) and remaining a lurker before this account runs out of time in a week and a half - I have already canceled the reoccurring subscription due to the abhorrent behavior of your representatives and attitude of your company toward the player base.
My decision to leave was not based purely on the recent revelations - but they did spurn the final decision I had been debating. I came to Eve for the player-run economy and universe, the spaceships, the community and the sheer mind-boggling depth of the game compared to other MMO's. This was a game where what mattered most was brains and the will to put them to work - you could be a trader, miner, explorer, pirate, whatever you wanted to. IF you worked for it.
The revelations of the past week have been nauseating - the Incarna launch and all the issues therein with the annoying, slow and resource intensive CQ interface, the Fearless newsletter revelations, the dreadful blog posts from Developers, the email evidence that the CEO does not understand the game/product or community at a basic level, and forum posts. Everything continually avoid answering THE question with a simple yes or no.
Let me make it crystal clear what the question is for myself and many others: "Will CCP at any point offer the ability for players to bypass in-game mechanics (earning SP/Standings), the player-controlled economy (items) or otherwise purchase --any-- form of game-effecting benefit for IRL money?"
This has not been a difficult question to answer in the past (see CCP Shadow, this time last year) but apparently it is impossible now to obtain a straight answer. Indeed, it appears that every single person who has addressed the community has worked very hard to avoid providing a straight, simple answer. One would think that simply saying "No, nothing of this nature is going to happen." would be faster, simpler and leave far fewer doubts in your players minds. All in all, the avoidance makes anything you and your representatives have to say extremely difficult to believe.
This very thread was started with the supposed intention of "parlaying" with the player base. Very little real communication, negotiation or debate with --us-- of any kind has happened. While my best wishes are with CCP Pann - you have other employees who could have stepped up to talk to us. Indeed, the primary communication has informed us that we are (in the eyes of CCP) being unreasonable or overreacting.
The very real impression I have is that EVE is viewed as a cash cow to be milked by CCP for as long as possible until Dust or WoD is online. That there is no real direction for improving Eve itself or evolving Eve further within the context of this wonderful universe that exists. It is simultaneously the pay-to-test bed for the technology that will go into these new games and will also provide the funds for those games.
All this, combined with ongoing ---gameplay--- issues that CCP has continually failed to address for years now. The painfully serious balance issues between faction ships, weapons (can anyone say hybrids?) combined with myrid other issues that have been ongoing for ages that no amount of prettying the stations will resolve. Gameplay -NEEDS- to come first in any game if it is to be a success.
What feeling do new Gallente players have when they get told for the first time that their faction ships are worthless, and to start training toward flying a Drake or just /unsub?
Reinforcing this is staggering self-delusion within the company re: the state - from the now infamous Hilmar email and the Dev blog posts. It seems that those making the decisions have little to no interest in resolving the issues that strike the heart of the game because they see the game as being 'premium' already.
(tl:dr) - I won't be the golden goose with game play issues that you kill to pay for other games.
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Kendra Wilkinson
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:22:00 -
[13124]
Quote: "Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM."
[SOURCE : failBLOG #2]
What do you not understand?
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:31:00 -
[13125]
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Quote: "Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM."
[SOURCE : failBLOG #2]
What do you not understand?
A volatility caused by lack of response, inflammatory emails and failBlog #1, compounded by said failBlog #2
[source : My new book published by O'Reilly and available from Amazon this October: "How to totally alienate yourself and drive away your customers for Dummies"
Thank you CCP, couldn't have written it without you! <3 ]
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Moyra Jurescki
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Posted - 2011.06.30 09:48:00 -
[13126]
Guys,
What is so hard to understand? CCP does not want to fix lag, bugs(dating years back) or improve our game-play. CCP just adds new shiny trinkets to lure new young players who would pay real money not only for vanity items but for unique ships, t3 ammo or why not even SP. In the end what keeps their business growing is the income, not the small community @ EVE. And if they can generate more income through the NEX they will, no matter what they sell. If they come up with a solution that can overcome the real setback caused by the leak of that CCP internal newsletter, they will continue with the changes. Cos'in the end...greed is good.Right?
Now, prove me wrong CCP and I promise that I will make a third account. Prove that you care about YOUR game. Prove that you care about the game WE play and I promise I'll buy the stupid dull skirt you try to sell on NEX as fashion item.
Best Regards,
Proud EVE player since 2007.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:00:00 -
[13127]
Originally by: Bernice 9000 Question for unsubbers... I understand the general fear and issue with MTs but EVE already has microtransactions for non-vanity items since Plex breaks into ISK. I can see it kind of being an issue if tech 3 ammo was developed and only released through aurum... however since that currency is still available through in game means... and since people will still be traders of any and all commodities... these items would be readily available on the market for normal isk.(it would also prove to be a great isk sink)
So... given the unique market of eve and in-game/real-life commodity that is plex, I really do not see the crux of the problem here. Sorry.
The PLEX trade does indeed allow someone to convert RL cash into an in-game advantage. This is a bad thing.
However, adding non-vanity MTs onto the current situation would make matters worse.
Some of us warned that PLEX trading was the thin end of the wedge, and people laughed at us. I think that we've since been vindicated. The question now is just how thick are we prepared to allow the wedge to get?
At which point does CCP inserting their wedge into your rectum start to hurt?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Lupus Lycaon
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:19:00 -
[13128]
this thread not slowing down, is it?
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caldar ian
Final Destination.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 10:23:00 -
[13129]
its not slowing down
pilots are waiting for the results from csm meeting
#csm6 #tweetfleet on twitter for hash tags |
Kye Do'lan
Gallente Order of the Domain The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:04:00 -
[13130]
Originally by: RomeoActual They can't kill EVE until DUST also dies. I think if DUST flops that might start the death knell of EVE.
Not if but WHEN Dust dies, imo it wont be a big seller, so sooner rather than later
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:11:00 -
[13131]
Originally by: Kye Do'lan
Originally by: RomeoActual They can't kill EVE until DUST also dies. I think if DUST flops that might start the death knell of EVE.
Not if but WHEN Dust dies, imo it wont be a big seller, so sooner rather than later
There's on way it will sell if it's just on the PS3, the only people who'd play it are playstation owners and they're already in a rage over the playstation network and how that's been handled, can you seriously imagine a game like Dust taking off well with all that going on?
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:25:00 -
[13132]
Who wants to take bets on how big of a fail our so called CSM is gonig to be? - Juil Phoenix Industries
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Irn VanBru
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:35:00 -
[13133]
Originally by: Valei Khurelem
Originally by: Kye Do'lan
Originally by: RomeoActual They can't kill EVE until DUST also dies. I think if DUST flops that might start the death knell of EVE.
Not if but WHEN Dust dies, imo it wont be a big seller, so sooner rather than later
There's on way it will sell if it's just on the PS3, the only people who'd play it are playstation owners and they're already in a rage over the playstation network and how that's been handled, can you seriously imagine a game like Dust taking off well with all that going on?
In a nutshell, no.
I own a ps3, have done for many years, but after sony's utter fail my card details are going nowhere near them, and am sure a lot of other ps3 users are the same, that would mean the only way to get credit on id thru there cards that are bought in stores, so if they think there onto make a quick buck then a think there mistaken, unless and kinda of paying stuff is perminant on dust, then its not gona work.
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Ann Can
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:58:00 -
[13134]
Every good political struggle, regardless of the stage, needs a sordid sexual scandel mixed in to make it good old fashioned, tabloid fare, which reminds me, has anyone seen Monocle Lewinsky? |
Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:04:00 -
[13135]
Aaaand they are off. Go on CSM, we have faith in you, we know you'll have our back, we, err, WFT ?
[source = twitter]
Quote: @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6
OK, so, the first thing you tell us if there's absolutely no way you can tell us anything because the moment your arses hit the chairs they served you with NDA's
Enjoy your beers guys. I hope you remembered the lube because at this rate before the day is over they will have bent over a table and be saying, 'Bite of this monocle boy, it won't hurt as much!"
Like we didn't all see this coming...
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:15:00 -
[13136]
Edited by: RougeOperator on 30/06/2011 12:15:45
Originally by: Kailithi Aaaand they are off. Go on CSM, we have faith in you, we know you'll have our back, we, err, WFT ?
[source = twitter]
Quote: @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6
OK, so, the first thing you tell us if there's absolutely no way you can tell us anything because the moment your arses hit the chairs they served you with NDA's
Enjoy your beers guys. I hope you remembered the lube because at this rate before the day is over they will have bent over a table and be saying, 'Bite of this monocle boy, it won't hurt as much!"
Like we didn't all see this coming...
I cant wait to find out they have lots of research. This NDA stuff is dumb since it means they wont tell us a damn thing. Dont tell the CSM anything if you are just going to slap NDAs on them.
Then again CCP will lie to them as usual.
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weat bix
Caldari 40 Thieves
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:26:00 -
[13137]
we did say there was little point in this meeting because ccp would just use nda to stop them telling us anything they think will cause issues they may have to deal with. Remember they only want to watch our action not hear a word we have to say.
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Tugrath Akers
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:28:00 -
[13138]
There are no secrets on the internet.
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Lojik
Priory of Empire SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:29:00 -
[13139]
Edited by: Lojik on 30/06/2011 12:31:03 A short list, read it and see if it rings any bells.
* Promising great things for years, but delivers a deeply flawed and limited experience. * Releases what they decide the users want. * Refuses to listen to their fan base. * Refuse to address critique. * Users jumping ship in droves, going to competing products. * Claims Innovation takes time, users just have to learn to love the changes.
Sounds like CCP, right?
The list had Apple it the beginning of every line...
If you look at Apple and their Final Cut Pro X (FCPX) launch, which also happened on the 21th, you'll quickly notice a staggering amount of similarities between the it and Incarna.
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Maj Disaster
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:36:00 -
[13140]
#CSM
TheMittani The Mittani We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6 7 minutes ago
At least they are looking at the unsubbed which shows it was worthwhile showing them what we will do rather than just say.
That they are interested which "demos" unsubbed does tend to imply that they have a different weighting for different types of char and how much they care about loosing them which isn't so good, doesn't send a very nice message. All paying customers should be just as important to them as each other.
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