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Alexandra Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:38:00 -
[13141]
Originally by: Kailithi
[source = twitter]
Quote: @Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We are getting econometric briefing about preliminary results of introduction of AUR. Double-secret NDA stuff. #tweetfleet #csm6
Let me get this straight, I'm supposed to trust a bunch of guys that cannot convince myself that the options they chose or the 'agreement' they have reached is the best because of their NDA ?
That econometric briefing should be done (should HAVE BEEN DONE) publicly to whole even community in order to convince us about your objectives and plans regarding AUR, in my book, doing that to a select group of ppl under an NDA is the same thing as not doing it at all, it's not the first time previous CSM's had to demonstrate their displeasure of how things were handled through obscure and/or second guesses (quitting) because they can't talk about they are against and CCP gags them, how can I rest assured they won't be gagged as they always are after this meeting and believe in all they tell us after all this NDA bull****.
From what I see, CSM doesn't mean anything right now, they're just a PR move, or as much a group of guys who gathers all community feedback and presents them to CCP in a pretty formatted document/presentation, they have no saying in decision making about development and/or intention of features regarding EVE universe, simply because they can't talk about it, only about what CCP unveils periodically and the long road plans might not (right now, most certainly not) be what the community expects/wants.
Therefore, as far as I care, this solves nothing, CCP might make a statement that non-vanity items won't be on store (never stating a clear for how long, leaving it open for a possible future change), all dumbasses we are (or the majority) will get back to renew their subscriptions, and everything will get back to how it was, untill we see a golden scorpion introduced in the store, for $100, and 1 more high slot, or better bonuses and lo abd behold, the non-vanity items stance changed over night like many other things that changed overnight in this game, sometimes to worse, sometimes to better, although the worse ones keep fading the better ones quite fast.
As long as there is an RMT store in the game, the chance of getting game changing items in the store after an inocent patch will be there, and judging by the latest CCP history of how things are deal, the disclosure of the stance of having the community above all else to having the greed above all else that chance is extremely high.
CCP Soundwave I hope you're reading this, I do play LoL too, I do buy skins/champs when I feel like with real life money, the difference is, LoL is free, and still, as a free game, the items you can buy with real money won't give you any advantage over the other players when playing a match. You could come with the argument that you can buy boosts, be it XP or IP, and they will give you an edge momentarily, yes that does happen, but it fits in a game like LoL because you have a level cap, not infinite skillpoints with horizontal pathing, XP in LoL is earned by playing the game also, you don't need to buy boosts to still be competitive, in EvE the skills are steadily won over time, thus playing more or less won't give you a natural advantage vs other players in EvE, thus having boosts will give a clear edge over players without real money to invest. 2 different games, 2 different phylosophies, you can't just stick everything in the same bag, and use it as an example comparing it to EVE.
Oh and btw, you (CCP Soundwave) have just lost all my consideration as someone with a good grasp of what this game needs and more, what this community wants and needs, you lost all my respect and trust given the position you have right now at CCP, you can take your BFF team and stick to playing LoL the rest of your life please.
Best regards,
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:41:00 -
[13142]
Quote: We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6
(source = twitter)
@themittani Define 'ok' OK as in, 'Hilmar isn't bothered about the numbers, MT is accelerating' or ok as in 'he didn't thing so many would?
*taps foot waiting for an answer*
For me that says this : Hilmer and company have the demographics for the current known people leaving the game and it is "_very predictable feedback_" It says they can live with the numbers and are pushing ahead with their plans. If that's the case why are the CSM even bothering to go you Iceland ?
Oh yes, please clarity this 'which player demos have unsubbed'
Which player demographics have left... NOT how many - but WHO.
Perhaps as in "it's only the old payers, we expected them to leave, we can live with that."
Posted :
@themittani #csm6 Please clarity this 'which player demos have unsubbed' Which player demographics have left... NOT how many, but WHO. Hmm?
*taps foot waiting again*
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:47:00 -
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Mittens: We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6
Player Demographics... says a lot, they looking at the bottom line before they look at the game meaning all they care about is how much disposable cash you have to **** away on pixels whilst becoming vitamin D deficient.
Sand Box or Litter Tray
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Soddington Smythe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:49:00 -
[13144]
Words: See above,below and to the left and right.Words don't matter,we know that and you know it.
Actions: I haven't logged into the game since 5 minutes after I Patched to Incarna. I've logged into the forums more in the last week than I have all year. I've followed a tonne of links and digested more than I even wished to know about the games industry,the global gaming trends towards F2P, micro transactions and monetisation of cyber assets.
I think I'm not the only one.I don't think its an exaggeration to say EVE players are among the most knowledgeable and opinionated and most importantly stubborn players on the interwebs.
Bottom line CCP is that if you intend to feed us a line of bovine fecal matter post this CSM emergency meeting,make it the best line ever delivered in the history of political and gaming history,or prepare for the end times. Its not a threat,its not a gloat.I'll be just as sorry to see you sink into oblivion as you will.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:54:00 -
[13145]
Having paid for my subscription with PLEX for the last year or so (paid up until January 2012 I think), I went to "unsubscribe" anyway and there isn't actually any ability to do this in the new account management screen.
Just something folk (especially CCP) should consider when they look at the figures. Lots of people will also be leaving their PLEX paid accounts to expire (because we can't unsub).
The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Honest Guv! We had no plans for it but we are doing it anyway |
Rapyract
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:59:00 -
[13146]
Edited by: Rapyract on 30/06/2011 13:02:40
Originally by: Soddington Smythe ...Actions: I haven't logged into the game since 5 minutes after I Patched to Incarna. I've logged into the forums more in the last week than I have all year. I've followed a tonne of links and digested more than I even wished to know about the games industry,the global gaming trends towards F2P, micro transactions and monetisation of cyber assets.
I think I'm not the only one...
You're not.
I have logged on to feed skill queue and to participate in a course arranged before the stuff hit the fan, but I've spent far more time here than in-game and even more time reading about the economics of gaming. I'm open to persuasion that things aren't as grim as they seem, but my feeling at the moment is that CCP is heading in roughly the same direction as the banks down the street from their offices.
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Having paid for my subscription with PLEX for the last year or so (paid up until January 2012 I think), I went to "unsubscribe" anyway and there isn't actually any ability to do this in the new account management screen.
Just something folk (especially CCP) should consider when they look at the figures. Lots of people will also be leaving their PLEX paid accounts to expire (because we can't unsub).
Nor is there anyway to indicate that you won't be renewing if you last paid your subscription using PayPal.
And as far as the "demographics" mentioned by Mittens are concerned, what can CCP possibly know about those quittting more than how long they've been subscribers and how they've paid their subs?
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:04:00 -
[13147]
TheMittani The Mittani We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6 7 minutes ago
Considering Mitten's goose stepped to the company (ccp) line about the Fearless newsletter I am very curious as to his definition of "OK"............
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Maximillian Dragonard
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:05:00 -
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The most immediate indicator they would have is monthly CC billing (like my 3 accounts). The higher that number, the more immediate the pain is felt. Paid through the end of the year, etc, doesn't mean a whole lot to the "NOW" aspect of their financials.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:05:00 -
[13149]
Originally by: Kailithi
Quote: We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6
(source = twitter)
I expect they do these statistics like they do the "Most used ships" ones and be totally surprised in a month or two, when people seem to leave EVE after an unexpected 2 hour downtime.
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:16:00 -
[13150]
Originally by: Maj Disaster #CSM
TheMittani The Mittani We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6 7 minutes ago
At least they are looking at the unsubbed which shows it was worthwhile showing them what we will do rather than just say.
That they are interested which "demos" unsubbed does tend to imply that they have a different weighting for different types of char and how much they care about loosing them which isn't so good, doesn't send a very nice message. All paying customers should be just as important to them as each other.
"All paying customers should be just as important to them as each other."
I disagree.
A customer who had been onboard for two or three years is more likely to remain a customer for another two three or more years than one with less than a year. Given they are not driven away.
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J Shaft
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:25:00 -
[13151]
The **** is about to hit the fan :) Best regards, J. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:31:00 -
[13152]
Edited by: Naradius on 30/06/2011 13:32:17 I just get the feeling that after the CSM meeting we will see that calling the CSM in was just a a publicity stunt by CCP, and like times before, we (the subscribers) will be crying that the CSM is a lame duck and the results of the meeting amounted to nothing.
If the CSM come away from Iceland feeling they have achieved nothing, and the player base feel that the CSM has achieved nothing, then I suggest the only reasonable course of action for the CSM to take, is to resign on mass.
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weat bix
Caldari 40 Thieves
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:33:00 -
[13153]
Originally by: Naradius I just get the feeling that after the CSM meeting we will see that calling the CSM in was just a a publicity stunt by CCP, and like times before, we (the subscribers) will be crying that the CSM is a lame duck and the results of the meeting amounted to nothing.
If the CSM come away from Iceland feeling they have achieved nothing, and the player base feel that the CSM has achieved nothing, then I suggest the only reasonable course of action is for the CSM to take, is to resign on mass.
And they will give up all the free trips and stuff for what reason ? They will say they got it all sorted and all is fine however they can not tell us why it is because of the nda
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Kaladin Frostfire
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:36:00 -
[13154]
I can guess;
Loads of spread****s shown, implying the economic future, and logic (?) behind aurm is shown to csm...
outcome will be they will promise on not selling nonvanity items, but keep on the rest cosmetic, monoclolz etc..
oh which is fine with me btw..
I would be really surprised if they can not change their minds about pushing nonvanity items to market after this csm.
i mean..its dayn night..
lets see.
popcorn ready.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:44:00 -
[13155]
Originally by: Kaladin Frostfire I can guess;
Loads of spread****s shown, implying the economic future, and logic (?) behind aurm is shown to csm...
outcome will be they will promise on not selling nonvanity items, but keep on the rest cosmetic, monoclolz etc..
oh which is fine with me btw..
I would be really surprised if they can not change their minds about pushing nonvanity items to market after this csm.
i mean..its dayn night..
lets see.
popcorn ready.
CCP's approach to logic:
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:54:00 -
[13156]
Edited by: Velicitia on 30/06/2011 13:54:47
Originally by: Kaladin Frostfire popcorn ready.
^this...
edit -- really guys? 10 min of nothing in this thread? =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kaladin Frostfire outcome will be they will promise on not selling nonvanity items, but keep on the rest cosmetic, monoclolz etc..
I agree, they'll say that. For now. Once Dust hits, all bets are off.
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Ellariona
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:58:00 -
[13158]
Edited by: Ellariona on 30/06/2011 14:01:49 Edited by: Ellariona on 30/06/2011 13:58:29 "Most importantly we'll listen to what the EVE players want most as the new step and prioritize our very long wish list of designs accordingly."
- CCP Chiliad, (http://www.starfleetcomms.com/content/eve_hungary_interview_ccp_chiliad_captains_quarters_and_npe) epic lulz from that one...
This interview also confirms that they are steering the game more into a type of barbie/ken 3rd person spacepilot rpgmmo instead of a hardcore spaceship mmo, I mean, cutscenes?? Seriously? It's already bad enough as it is having to whait for a while before station loads...
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Alexandra Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:03:00 -
[13159]
Quote:
We just went through the pricing decisions for NEX initial rollout. #tweetfleet #csm6
Ok, NEX is to stay as seen from this tweet, you just lost a subscriber, bye.
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:05:00 -
[13160]
Edited by: Viking Sven on 30/06/2011 14:05:05
Originally by: Alexandra Alt
Quote:
We just went through the pricing decisions for NEX initial rollout. #tweetfleet #csm6
Ok, NEX is to stay as seen from this tweet, you just lost a subscriber, bye.
All that really says is 'we are talking about how CCP came to their prices.' I don't see how that implies the NeX is there to stay (though it probably is).
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:13:00 -
[13161]
Originally by: Viking Sven Edited by: Viking Sven on 30/06/2011 14:05:05
Originally by: Alexandra Alt
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We just went through the pricing decisions for NEX initial rollout. #tweetfleet #csm6
Ok, NEX is to stay as seen from this tweet, you just lost a subscriber, bye.
All that really says is 'we are talking about how CCP came to their prices.' I don't see how that implies the NeX is there to stay (though it probably is).
What that really says is that CCP is dodging the big yellow question again!
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Tiven loves Tansien
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 -
[13162]
Originally by: Vandrion
CCP's approach to logic:
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neuva
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:23:00 -
[13163]
John Turbefield in the house lulz master of teh universe.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:24:00 -
[13164]
That whole meeting is nothing but dodging the question.
Only, they'll have a meat shield now - the CSM.
We're suppose to grill the CSM for answers next.
Let's see what'll happen, I'll give them benefit of the doubt, it's not like I didn't voted Mittani for CSM specifically to troll CCP.
It's such a shame that the Meta Game ABOUT EVE Online is currently so much more entertaining than its content - I'm loving it.
For instance, I'd never have expected THAT many trolling monocle sales, honest, I don't think I've seen a single genuine wearer yet - they're all trolls. How awesome is that?
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Mia Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:25:00 -
[13165]
CCP Pann, solidarity for your family problems. --- Kat |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:27:00 -
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Twas the hour of meeting, and all through the thread, not a creature was stirring, not even a dred the noobs were all hung, by their innards with care in hopes that GMs, would soon be there
The pirates were nestled, all clustered by drones as they sat upon piles of dead foes' bones Some chick pod pilot flew in her cap while settled down for a no CQ nap
When out of the station there rose such a clang I shouted out, "hey who's flyin this thang?" Away to my ship, I lagged down the hall trying to get to my pod pilot ball
i tried to undock, but my ship didn't work damn this siht is gonna drive me berserk so instead i jumped and got out of there fracking cq, it messed up my hair
So we wait on the question, the yellow there they can't answer, does it give them a scare we'll wait some more to see what they say but we'll be watching what they do day to day
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Kane Molou
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kane Molou on 30/06/2011 14:31:45 nope.. apparently we dont' get ANY info until after the CSM meeting apparently were not GOOD enough to be updated.. until then in a JOINT statement. CSM = As bad as CCP.
@Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead
We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet
18 minutes agovia TweetDeckFavoriteRetweetReply
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Molou nope.. apparently we dont' get ANY info until after the CSM meeting apparently were not GOOD enough to be updated.. until then in a JOINT statement. CSM = As bad as CCP.
I bet it will be about pants!
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Zylla
Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:32:00 -
[13169]
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Having paid for my subscription with PLEX for the last year or so (paid up until January 2012 I think), I went to "unsubscribe" anyway and there isn't actually any ability to do this in the new account management screen.
Just something folk (especially CCP) should consider when they look at the figures. Lots of people will also be leaving their PLEX paid accounts to expire (because we can't unsub).
They should also be looking how many accounts have expired creditcard info which hasn't been updated. One account has gone dormant, 3 more to go.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:34:00 -
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Trebor's tweet about the big yellow question (props to Miilla) they get to hear about tomorrow:
@Trebor_CSM #csm6 Don't get me wrong bro, but am not getting good vibes, hope just to be part of my cynism... and wrong intel...
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