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Dalmont Delantee
Gallente Shiloh Technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
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ROFL ROFL ROFL
*takes a deep breath*
ROFL ROFL ROFL
Answers? What answers?
1) Confirm no game affecting MT will ever get into eve 2) Why do you seem angry at us for being angry at you? 3) We waited all day for 3/4 paragraphs? Jesus
Thanx bai Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire Massive Dynamic Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
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Wow, you all are ******ed or cannot read. The article is from a publication that is used to create a debate from within the company and everything in it is an exaggeration. Once again EVE players fail to understand the response. Maybe they didn't say anything about other than vanity items because maybe they have not made any clear determinations on the subject you bunch of ****ing ****tards.
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Grog Drinker
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[3]
Where the hell are the answers to the questions that have been asked continually for 48 hours?
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8agpuss
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[4]
We will not go quietly into the night.
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A'nat
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[5]
I feel this response insults people's intelligence.
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Worzel Bummage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
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OK - but when can we get rid of this damn door?
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Vic Tenrach
Minmatar Fuer Grissas ost Drauka
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
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I feel the devblog completely failed to address the issue. Sorry, but that's the simple truth.
Please address the issues at hand:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=179#5367
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oldmanst4r
Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[8]
WHAT THE FRACK WAS THAT PIECE OF CRAP???
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Kai'il Bhaal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[9]
ITT: The general public are idiots. What's new.
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Magere
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[10]
Edited by: Magere on 24/06/2011 21:07:16 "You see because designer retailers sell 1000 dollars pants we are completely justified in selling enchancements for your avatar that cost as much as real world products."
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Talon Jasra
Gallente The Emporium of Madness
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[11]
um, did I just read a "nothing to see here move along" "blog" post?
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[12]
ARE YOU GOING TO SELL ITEMS IN THAT STUPID STORE THAT GIVE AN INGAME ADVANTAGE!!!!!!!!! IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THIS CLEARLY BY TUESDAY YOU LOST 3 ACCOUNTS FROM ME AT LEAST!!! You Have 72 hours CCP
and By the way Zulu that was the worst response I have seen you restated what we already knew in the threadnaught and gave us no new answers instead you patted yourself and CCP on the back. I cant believe the audacity of this company
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Cabroo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
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48 hours to come up with a bunch of PR lines that adress non of the issues that the player base had. You have got to be kidding me. I unsubbed this morning and this was the final straw. I'll take my money elsewhere.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
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Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Thanks,
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
Thats your reply to whats going on???
Its an internal newsletter where we have fake discussions...
and
Expensive items are cool!
YOU ARE FAR FROM ADDRESSING MY CONCERNS AND ISSUES. Total crap! ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Ando Godson
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:05:00 -
[15]
This is almost the worst message that could have been put out there. There is absolutely no acknowledgement of the issue at hand. Instead, you've chosen to tell us that we're wrong to think something is wrong. Poorly played.
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Rebus Valstay
THE GWG
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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Great job ignoring the fan base, Zulu. Maybe the money from the MTs will afford you a spine transplant.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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what a waste of ****ing time. you spent 5 days on that
you ****ing ******s
CQ has broken the game experiance for many of your players and nothing for you about that?
you lied about MT giving peopel real game advantages and you dress that up like its nothing?
quote 'This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions'
are you that blind you can not see how peopel feel about this expansion your calling it successful?
FU CCP, FU
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Serynna
Gallente Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[18]
You have addressed nothing. Go away, Zulu, and bring us your bosses. Suggest that they spend a few moments reading the forums first.
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Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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It is not about the prices. Please, try to understand that.
It is about:
- belief - trust - emotion
CCP as company has lied. Has broken trust. To customers, to CSM, consistantly even on the topics of microtransactions.
Look, why couldn't you just have been honest, from the get go. It would have saved such high costs.
You still have no answers. You still avoid the hot potatoes. You still steer clear from what matters.
Goodbye, CCP that I knew. Goodbye.
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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Callidus Dux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Callidus Dux on 24/06/2011 21:36:14 What is about Faction standing for Aurum? What is your intention to this? Say CLEARLY NO!!!!! NEVER an advantage for real money in EVE. Never! Second question: Will you bring back the old effective hangar view and make incarna / CQ optional? A clear YES or NO is expected on both questions. No mumbling about missunderstandings or what ever please.
[ ] YES - we understand the community and will make the proper actions [ ] No - we will leave it as it is now.
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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I don't wear $1,000 pairs of jeans. I wear $15 jeans from Costco.
Perhaps you'd better recruit more players who spend $1,000 on one item of clothing...
Somebody at CCP needs a f**king REALITY check.
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"MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
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Azureusi
Cargo Container Rotation Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[22]
We waited all day for that? A POV was expressed, no issues addressed.
Thank's for your hard freaking work ~ Azzy ~ |
Kieth Lemon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[23]
wtf is this ? Did ccp even look at forums today ? Its not all about microtransactions. its a ****load more than that we are raging about.
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Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[24]
What a steaming heap of corporate spin.
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
Baihuigau
Gallente Skull Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[25]
WTF seriously, i couldent believe you could achieve a bigger level of fail but you did, so 48hrs to essentially say sorry guys you the customer are wrong and were right, by the way were keeping the prices the way they are because we think ingame clothes are like real life brands and you should pay a premium for them, ooh we will release cheaper shirts but were basically going to ignore you..........SWEET GOD...........i......i just have no words.
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amarralt55
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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How about you actually answer the big question we all want answered? While I agree some of the crap being thrown around is a bit OTT the blog answered nothing and will only stir more crap up.
Can you honestly not see this? By not answering us we have to fear the worst because if it was the answer we are looking for you'd have told us already just to shut us up.
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Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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That was, by far, the worst blog to respond to this situation.
If anything, that dev blog will only put forth more rage and cause more problems.
CCP Zulu, do us all a favor and resign. For the love of this game and the community we love, get out already. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO THAT I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Toterra
Lobster Exogalactic
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[28]
180+ pages of anger and this is what you think we are angry about. FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL.
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Piscis
Gallente The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[29]
You have a MASSIVE player base in total revolt and this is the response? How can you miss the mammoth mountain in your path?
You have not addressed anything!!!!
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[30]
This took 3 days and lots of internal discussion? Really? You have adressed nothing. Goodbye eve-online. -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st |
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Phigmeta
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[31]
"While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them"
In my job people pay me to make decisions that effect many others. If i make a bad decision then my name is mud. Grow Up ... if ya don't like ****storms .... then ethier get a job at the nearest taco bell or grow a pair.
"Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?"
I wear the pants my wife likes me to wear ... i have no idea how much they cost but i am pretty sure they arn't cheap........
My wife is sexy as hell and she likes to fornicate with me when i wear those exs*****ve pants. Shallow ... maybe but i am still getting laid.
Will your eClothing get me laid ... cause at those prices it better.
NO ? well then the AUR idea is stupid.
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Planetary Genocide
Gallente White Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
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Quote: In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK YOU ARE CONVINCING WITH THIS?!?!?!?!?
The only reason why it was smooth in terms of downtime and the patch downloading is BECAUSE THERE WAS ALMOST NO ****ING CONTENT IN IT.
Jesus christ on a crutch, I used to like CCP and EVE... All I need now is confirmation that MT's will soon include advantage-giving things and I'm unsubbing my accounts.
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Jean Misto
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[33]
You ****ed up big time.
You ****ed up with that blog.
You ****ed up with that newsletter.
You ****ed up with the Incarna release.
You ****ed up with the disconnect from your playerbase.
You ****ed up banning players.
That blog does not cut it, not by a long shot. We want change, you didn't even mention what was said in the newsletter was untrue, much of the newsletter was not a debate, but matter of fact in that there will be AUR for Ammo, AUR for standings, etc.
You didn't address a single damn thing we wanted, and I'm pretty much done caring about eve, and I'll let my subs run out. |
Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[34]
With all due respect...
3 words: Are you serious?
Actually, make that 4: are you ****ing serious?
This is the blog that took you 6 hours to write?
And no, I don't tend to go out buying clothes that cost MORE THAN A ****ING SPACESHIP. I suppose a good comparison here would be clothes that cost MORE THAN A NUCLEAR SUBMARINE. If you do... you're being paid way too ****ing much.
I think, at this point, I'm just going to cancel all my accounts, because, this is just ridiculous.
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von Diel
Gallente The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[35]
CCP Zulu, are you tripping balls?
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Xonus Calimar
Amarr CaeIum Incognitum
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:06:00 -
[36]
I have a feeling this won't really help.
*looks at Amarr local*
Yeah, didn't think so... - Xonus Calimar |
Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[37]
Take your mother****ing devblog, and shove it right up your ****ing asses!
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cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[38]
Dear god you didn't even answer our only question, is ccp going to add non vanity items for aur or keep its word only vanity items?
can we have something from you Zulu to us the players stating what way the game is going
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Darkscion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[39]
Wait, you're offended that the player base is offended over something they find offensive? Since you chose to use the language then I will too. And you're ****ting on us because of it?
p.s. I choose to buy the $50 pants so I can pay my subscription fees. So far all you're offering us is the $1000 pants.
Might be in CCP's best interest to put someone on the front lines of this who doesn't have their panties in a knot.
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0011110010110
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
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This devblog is a piece of ****.
If you want to compare a pair of jeans to something pricey, do it along the lines that actually works.
Comparing the 1.4billion isk monocle to a dreadnought is more realistic. But a dreadnought is the size of a station, takes days to build and requires millions in minerals.
If you want to do jeans : Compare a pair of jeans to a bugatti veyron. Not a 1000 dollars...
Muppets
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vic Tenrach I feel the devblog completely failed to address the issue. Sorry, but that's the simple truth.
Please address the issues at hand:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=179#5367
A thousand times this!
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Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[42]
Seriously?
You've said nothing to address the issues bought up by the players.
Guess I'm not resubbing. ---
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Andrivullar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
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I dont mind vanity [clotheing] I want assurance some ****head with 4000$ to burn, aint gonna be able to close my hard earned [AND PAID] skill gap / ship gap, and just burn the rest of us down.
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Senedane Zyremdez
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[44]
Really? First post in all my years in Eve.... no response to the future of MT? No commentary on rather CQ will become optional? No answers to the discontent in your major threadnaught? I hope protestors burn new eden... really....
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Boaz Netopalis
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[45]
I just posted to my own blog that I've not really played much since last November and have just been letting skills burn, and so I'm detached enough from the game right now that this whole firestorm isn't really doing anything other than providing amusing reading for me, but that devblog can be TL;DR'd as "To our players: Sit down and shut up!"
And that put me over. My account's canceled too.
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Jake McKay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[46]
We waited 195 pages and like a half mil views on the giant thread for THAT blog as a response?
So that's how CCP says "F*** Y**" to EVE's fans?
Thanks.
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[47]
Wow, is it just me or was that CCP just flipping us the bird, telling us to just get used to it and not address any of the performance issues / forced officers quarters, or other pressing issues ?
I personally am insulted by this blog. I was fairly neutral in my opinions before this but this just swung me to the rage side of the fence.
Can we get the real blog posted now please ?
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[48]
how much aurum to play as a jedi? |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[49]
How in the hell did you use so many words to say absolutely nothing?
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[50]
So selling super expensive "micro" transaction stuff is ok since we tend to buy expensive stuff in reallife anyway? That is some ****ed up thinking from a game developer running a subscription based model
And ARE YOU GOING TO SELL STUFF THAT AFFECTS GAMEPLAY AT ANY POINT? OR ARE YOU STICKING TO VANITY ITEMS?
simple question, which was NOT answered in the blog.
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spellbound spirit
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[51]
That blog is a clear insult to paying customers, I think everyone understands why...
One would think that CCP actually did care and that when things heat up that much they would at least try to sort it out with customers(players). They've shown us where is our place :(
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 24/06/2011 21:09:53 What the **** was that?
You failed to address any of the really controversial topics and concerns. Oh sure, you talked about the magazine and said it was "discussion only". Two points.
You didn't talk about the actual CONCERNS though. Screw it - you just lost my subscription. I won't be renewing it. On any of my accounts.
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Mark Hamill
Amarr Galactic Waste Management EVE Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[53]
We waited 2 days for that.... that... DRIVEL?
EVETycoon Marketing, trading and reprocessing tool. |
wiLik
Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[54]
THREADNOUGHT INCOMMING!!!
CCP, to use your own phrase, we've called bull**** on you (again) and that blog just aint gonna cut it.
Fearless... more like Deathwish!
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Melkath Bandrom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:07:00 -
[55]
Just as I predicted. "F*** YOU!! PAY US MORE THAN YOUR MONTHLY PAYMENTS OR GTFO OF OUR GAME." in civilized language
Pathetic.
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Jasmine Kiri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[56]
Wow, that response was lamer than I expected. Guess they are hoping for the weekend to cool down the angry masses.
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[57]
So it took CCP over a day to respond to such a huge issue, and they respond by berating their own playerbase for "not getting the point"?
1) Why put "wild" theories in a lavishly set up internal newsletter when it will never ever be used? I don't buy that. The newsletter is a bad idea all on it's own for that matter, if devs are encouraged to come up with stuff that should never see the light in EVE.
1) Nex prices are too high by at least an order of magnitude. There is no excuse whatsoever so don't pretend to know the market. It's an idea by marketing to see how much us idiots are willing to pay for something we can pick up for real (!) for less than $5.
Bad, bad CCP. The PR department is even worse than i thought.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Istyn
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
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Awesome dev blog, waited over a day for it to blame the players, and not even answer the chief complaint and worry.
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Tippex 1st
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[59]
Worst damage control ever. Now we know where all our money went, drugs. Can I have some?
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Jessie42
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[60]
That devblog blew my mind, and not in the good way.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Zulu
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
I would like one very simple question answered.
If this is the case then why has it been your company strategy for a few years now?
You had one chance to be open with your customers and save CCPGames as a whole and this is what you have to say?
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
John McCreedy
Caldari Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[62]
This is going to be another threadnought and rightly so. This blog does nothing to address the issues and sever breakdown in trust between you as a company and us as your customers. Keep your head burried in the sand and this will be SWG all over again.
Across the galaxy there is only war. [center] Website Forums [ur |
Pistonbroke
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[63]
your spin is weak old man
Really, ccp needs to take all that arum, and shove it up uranus
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Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[64]
we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
HABEMVS PAPAM !
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[65]
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12238558/a-fictionalized-account-of-the-events-that-led-to-june-21st
Hahahahahaha
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Kara Royer
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[66]
Woah...
What is the point of this blog? This is going to alienate people even more. I don't get it.
My account remains suspended until we get answers.
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Nikki West
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[67]
So basically you are saying is:
F&/# YOU WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. ---
Free LIANG, Free HELICITY |
Kyla dhaal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[68]
Our blogs show nothing...
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Haruko0418
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[69]
CCP the NEW EMRON Bow down, bow down before the power of Santa or be crushed, be crushed.....bbbbbbyyyyyy his jolly boots of DOOM! |
Dawn Harbinger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[70]
reserved
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Wordle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[71]
Didn't mention ONE of the critical issues that players are concerned about.
In a few months I won't be surprised if I see that CCP is bought out by Activision.
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Neom Disaki
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[72]
ALLLL DAY to think up a good response and how to address the concerns of your paycheck paying customers, and thats best you could do? REALLY, and you are Senior management at this company? WOW, JUST WOW!
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ethan666
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[73]
Nice, don`t actually talk about what the actual concerns about MT are. Yeh everyone is complaining that they can`t afford monicles. Damn.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[74]
Never really addressed the biggest issue that of selling faction standing via NeX or other game effecting ideas.
Also if this really was an exaggerated point of view. How about release all the newsletters to show a long history of troll ideas that never happened? ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
[75]
That's IT !!! ????
Seriously ?
unF+*&INGbelieveable....
You might as well have just poured on oil and threw a match ! |
Sofia Coren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[76]
Try again, this time without spending the whole blog telling us how wonderful and right you are... |
Magistrate Aribeth
Gallente Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Magistrate Aribeth on 24/06/2011 21:09:46
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44 You still haven't repeated your commitment to never bringing non-vanity MT's, but it doesn't matter.
A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.
Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?
CCP has shown many times that its promises are meaningless.
The only thing now that you can do is DELIVER. Your words have no value and won't stop the exodus. The time to promise to never bring non-vanity MTs is gone, you can't even reiterate promise, but it doesn't matter because we don't trust you anymore, anyway.
Only your ACTIONS could change something.
Remove the Noble Exchange, give players back the PLEX's they have spent on Aurum and make all the Noble Store content free for everyone. Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat.
That should be enough to stop the bleeding until the next time you **** because we all know you are too stubborn to do what the CSM tells you and to learn from your mistakes.
It takes years to build trust and just a few seconds to destroy it.
That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.
"Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat."
Nobody is making you use anything, your shut your trap and deal with it. Turn off the station environment, and voila.
Nothing makes me more sick to read the crying and frustration of people who think they own a portion of this game by saying they have a say in what and what doesn't happen. If you don't like Microtransations, SIMPLY SAY SO. Don't blow things out of proportion like it's the end of the world.
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Pelleas Darell
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[78]
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands?
No, we're talking about SPACE clothes. No one else can see my space pants, so no one can think I'm the coolest thing since sliced bread. The fact that you wasted the talent of your development team on space-pants is a travesty, but there isn't anything I can do about it now. Instead, I urge you to stop with the space-pants and focus 100% of your efforts on optimizing the big ball of mud you just threw at your customers.
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Chaala Stone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[79]
-2 Subs. I'm out. |
Marco Breau
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[80]
Wow. Go to hell CCP.
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Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[81]
Damn insulting sir.
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Carmine Lady
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Carmine Lady Edited by: Carmine Lady on 24/06/2011 21:06:47 Edited by: Carmine Lady on 24/06/2011 21:00:41 BULLL****ING ****
I refuse to believe you.
you have done the very thing you shouldn't do: sweep things under the carpet.
try harder
you call that a response after nearly 200 pages of questions in a thread asking us to calm the **** down and provide you with questions. No. this will not do, put some more bloody backbone into it. this is PATHETIC. absolutely pathetic. you clearly have norespect for players like Jade Constantine.
Rewrite the devlog and answer more questions.
hate to ****ing repeat myself but CCP is an embarassment. FREE HELICITY FREE LIANG REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP |
tulsIP
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[83]
You actually thought this was an appropriate response? You are a bunch of inbred mongoloids.
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Leisen
Caldari Interrobang Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[84]
I can't believe I'm actually surprised here. I'm hardly going to say anything, there's just no point. Screw you guys, and your metaphorical $1,000 japanese jeans too. I'm out.
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Firnas
Minmatar The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[85]
This entire blog was a big EFFFF YOOOOO to us.
Doesn't apologize. Doesn't really address... just skirts. Says they are just "discussing making MT be more than vanity." Never says, we won't do it.
Admonishes us for being naughty.
Tells us to **** off and continue paying our subs.
Thanks CCP. That's all I needed to know. It took you 23 hours to tell us this?
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Lai Munnar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[86]
ARE YOU FU*KING KIDDING ME?! this is total BS, this is basically you saying to go and screw ourselfs because you will still do whatever you want and wont listen to players, WTF CCP??
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Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Ayieka on 24/06/2011 21:11:34 its cool that we've established that the fearless newsletter is just discussion, but i mean, 4k post threads of nothing but "CCP, will aurum be used for non-cosmetic services?" and you don't even address them.
cmon buddy.
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Monev Szutef
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[88]
CCP, you're missing the point. We don't care about the pricing because frankly we don't buy garbage. What the point is, will there be more items (i.e. ammo/ships/sov and other non-vanity items) to purchase in the NeX store to purchase? If so you lost me as a subscriber.
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Tears Sasen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[89]
Derp? Didn't address ANYTHING. Just a lot of BS that'll **** people off even more... Well done, you should keep your big mouth shut CCP.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara on 24/06/2011 21:30:14 That blog was utter ****. Truly.
It is fine to defend one's co-workers, but once they go public (aka CCP Zinfandel on the AT broadcast) with various statements, they are subject to public commentary.
But defending the Incarna release? And defending NEX store pricing? Are you seriously standing behind your argument for the current pricing scheme?
CCP's investors must have the CCP management team over the ****ing barrel for you guys to be operating in such a manner. You people are insane.
Edit: $1000 US for jeans? Maybe if I was a CCP management team member driving my company-provisioned Porsche / BMW / Lexus / LandRover. But not many other folks are dropping that kind of coin IRL.
It is clear that your vision for what will make EVE successful supersedes all customer input. And it is probably good that you clarified that point for those who both give your company money and tell their friends about how progressive blindingly stupid CCP is with their IP, EVE.
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[91]
Why even bother, CCP? Why not just tell us to GO **** OURSELVES?
Or would you then have to ban yourself for making threats? ---
R.I.P.
EVE ONLINE [img]ht |
Rui Morin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[92]
"I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having."
Erm, nope, not at all. Check the responses to CCP Pann's thread. Clearly you have no idea. Sad.
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Janatheth
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[93]
Came expecting to see new information; left disappointed.
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Harry Mack
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[94]
Seriously, that's it? That dev blog is about as useful as the Incarna updates. No issues addressed at all. If it were someone else I'd say he was trolling.
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[95]
Sh*t, unsubbing. CCP - change your whole staff!
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Zeta Kalin
Large Rodent Hunters
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[96]
Well I guess many CCP people are now polishing rTsumT and browsing job boards. The head of the company is so out of its mind it will likely only take weeks and not months to run the company out of business.
-- I do have a few expensive suits. However I'm pretty sure none is more expensive than an aircraft carrier.
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Captain Vayl
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[97]
You didn't address ANYTHING!!!
What the hell did you do with all the notes and quotes CCPFallout and Manifest have been gathering these last two days?! You disregarded anything that these poor bastards have had to sift through!!
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Molten Black
Omber Company Knights of the Rising Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Molten Black on 24/06/2011 21:12:16 I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Not even close. What are you thinking ? So Insulting.
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Tiliam
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Tiliam on 24/06/2011 21:16:41 While I agree that personal attacks on people are not right, and that yes the discussion in the internal magazine was just that - a discussion designed to bring new ideas to the fore, it doesn't answer anything other than "we aint changing a thing". This seems out of touch. Microtransactions are very unpopular with the user base - yes people don't have the buy them, but the fact that they exist is enough to annoy people - because if there is something they do want available why do they have to pay twice - and where will it end?
The existence of microtransactions won't make me cancel now as there's nothing else out there at the moment I would rather play - but when a new MMO does come out which I like the look of, my loyalty to EVE will have been shaken enough to make it easier to move across.
**edit**
oh and by the way I don't wear $1000 jeans. Nor do I know anyone who does - why? because they're ****ing stupid. That's why.
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Rob Stark
Minmatar Nemzeti Front
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[100]
That's what I expected from CCP Zulu. Complete bullsh*t.
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darmwand
Cartel Assessment Branch
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[101]
Really, 1000$ jeans, that the kind of category you people think in? Frankly, I'm a little disgusted here.
Also, amazing that it took you all day to write a devblog that doesn't address any of the player's issues. Good job.
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Tiberu Stundrif
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:09:00 -
[102]
CCP Zulu,
A clue. Get one. This was the biggest piece of bullsh*t devblog post evar.
Thanks for listening...not.
WE DO NOT WANT MICRO-TRANSACTIONS!
Tib ---------------------------------------
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Aessaya
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[103]
This is utter bull****! You guys seriously need to visit some sort of a brain surgeon to get your heads fixed.
And yet the blog doesn't address even a single issue at hand. Fail.
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Banebitch
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[104]
Reserved
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Xikorita
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[105]
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points".
Please answer if they are going to be just vanity items or not. That is the issue.
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Daeled
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[106]
I've emptied my wallet and hangar. Biomass in 10 hours. I am not coming back.
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RensPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[107]
we want a devblog from john turbefield |
Kinuko
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[108]
LOL
CCP this time you failed miserably, I won't be resubbing at the end of this month.
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Silent Sarrow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[109]
Lol can someone please invent a word for this blogs terribleness as a suitable one doesnt exist currently..
What a absolutly confounded waste of ****ing time CCP. I mean I speak for most of the eve community when I say we really want to collectivly slap you round the face.
Come on people lets go back to protesting in Jita :P MASS-PROTEST channel in eve has nearly 1000 players all calling bull****. Go rewrite the blog and include a lot of flowers and chocolates or you can start digging the bloated grave to bury the once amazing EVE Online in.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[110]
Tone deaf and insulting...
Really? It took you all this long to come back and insult us while answering nothing? So, don't get down on the poor CCP employees but it's totally ok for them to get down on us? Really? 196 pages of commentary and this is what we get?
This didn't address a damned thing! I seriously hope there are in fact many many more dev blogs coming in let's say the next... 3 minutes because if not you have just unleashed ****storm mk II.
$1000 jeans... you all are totally out of touch.
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Needa3
Minmatar BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[111]
Nice Dev Blog, doesn't say anything
avoided every issue that has been mentioned
keep the fail going
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mobius nm
Minmatar Imperativa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[112]
A complete non-response.
Lacks any sort of answers. Addresses literally none of the key issues
Expected whitewashing and a non-apology. CCP delivers.
Looks like Eve truly is dead.
CCP, you should watch some of your trailers from 2007 and prior to truly understand what you've killed.
We do not accept your typical "No no, you misunderstood us" nonsense. You deliberately avoided all the major important points of contention, and that is despicable.
I for one am done paying you. I will spend the rest of my subscribed time making sure as many new players as possible are made aware of your policies, views, and methods of dealing with the community are known, that they may avoid making the mistake we have of actually giving you money.
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Jimtom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[113]
Really that's your reply to all this
196 pages and that's it
I'm lost for words
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Lynx Amurie
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Innominate
clearly :smug: actually. nothing useful was answered. this was a waste of their time, and ours. CCP; lying to our faces since 2003 |
Havegun Willtravel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Havegun Willtravel on 24/06/2011 21:27:13 OMG I can not believe what i just read. If a blog is not released calling this a hack I'll throw up.
- which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous. Do you play this game ? Smooth, successful, lol expansion. haahhah
- itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud - yes it is. They called us alot worse in your internal doc and have treated us worse. - these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them. Yes they do actualy. You LIED LIED LIED. And a bunch of other stuff equally as bad if not worse.
- you should remember that we are talking about clothes. NO YOU FOOL WERE TALKING ABOUT PIXELS. Clothes i can wear pixels i cant. - 1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. You're kidding me right ? You just CAN NOT BE SERIOUS ! You're trying to calm the anger with a reference like this. - the sad culmination of vainness <------------ THIS - while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread No they wont. Trust me.
- We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale. OH BABY YOU AINT SEEN PASION YET. -I hope Iæve addressed your concerns - nope not a single one. keep trying. - cleared up a lot of the issues youære having - no none at all as a matter of fact. - Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog -- You're not paying attention are you ? At all.
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Steph Wing
Gallente Transfixion Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[116]
Dear CCP Zulu,
You are alienating your current core userbase. I think I know why, too: You're banking on drawing in a new userbase to replace us, a new userbase who'll bend over and pay through the nose for "designer" space jeans. And you're probably right to think that those people are out there. But as SWG pointed out with the infamous NGE, you cannot trade one group of customers for another and get off scott free.
The people you are ****ing off are the people paying your salaries. Get a ****ing clue*
Sincerely,
The EVE Online Community
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Ivan Joukov
Gallente Soviet System
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[117]
Ok, for the first time I want to join the protestors. This devblog is a spit on player's face, everything is ignored, nothing answered, it's just a "Calmdown please, but anyway we assume this newsletter and you'll certainly have things way more expansive than monocle on NeX soon."
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Mandy Stafford
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[118]
Your response to the players was f-ck you. Our response is "ditto"
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Le Sabre
Gallente Forced aggressions Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[119]
This is a joke right CCP? Right?
Its not?
Heck, wish I could just throw away my income without a care like that.
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IPX One
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[120]
Well nothing about ship-spinning :-(
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Lilliana Stelles
Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:10:00 -
[121]
I hate to say this, having sided with CCP almost 100% so far on this controversy.
Here's two points of feedback that I advise you take very carefully.
I shop at Nordstrom's, Neiman Marcus, and other high-end shops in America. I've paid $200 for an ordinary enough shirt before. But generally speaking, there are other options available. And the better looking clothing is of much higher quality. Generally, what costs more, lasts longer. I've had walmart pants, they tear up, fade, and look bad. You need to reflect this in game. If there's a $60 product, there also needs to be a $6 comparable product. And believe me, you'll sell more of them. Not everyone is the elite, but everyone deserves the right to wear clothes. If I want to stand out, I don't have to wear haute-couture. And if I do wear haute-couture, it should look extremely different from what you normally see in the streets. An ordinary virtual skirt shouldn't be $25 when it's the only skirt available. That's called monopolizing. Rather, if you have a normal skirt for $3, and a fancy skirt for $70, people will understand. But you don't have anything to compare to yet. For introductory prices, these are simply too high.
The most important advice you can take is that you should listen to your customers when it comes to pricing. If you want money (which you do, according to your newsletter), you have to be competitive. Your prices need to be on-par with those in other MMOs for similar quality products. If they aren't, no one is going to buy them. I'm all for vanity items. I have income and I want to buy them. You're not going to get my money until you lower the prices, and many other players feel the same way I do.
It's not appropriate for you to complain about a ****storm that resulted from your own actions. Keep better control of your newsletters, be more careful what you write, even internally, and if you do screw up, apologize for it. Don't ask people not to rage at you, that will only make it worse. At least let people vent on the forums. Things will blow over if you leave them alone. Most people are raging at the possibility of microtransactions breaking gameplay. This hasn't happened yet, so just let them debate it, listen to them, and then come to a decision. Publish this decision, and stick with it. That's the only way to calm players down.
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Karol Kei
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[122]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Thanks, Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
Dear Mr. Gylfason. I am confident that you have not missed the thread in your own forums with currently nearly 200 pages and more than half a million views in such a short time frame.
The question in that thread is neither of the ones you have addressed.
Please answer this question in a clear and plain manner:
Will there be other than vanity items such as ships ammo or standings availabel to be bought for AUR?
That is the question I want answered. I won't speak for anyone else but a lot of people have asked the same question so I take the liberty to assume that they want it answered as well.
While I wait for your answer, I will right now cancel all six of my accounts. All of them are paid by the same credit card as this account so you can easily verify the truth of this statement.
Sincerely,
Your loyal customer since 17th of September 2003, Sami
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InUrJita CheckinUrPrice
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[123]
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[124]
So.... in other words, CCP finally addresses their impoverished massed from their throne on high:
And onto us CCP spoke: Shut the F up you ungrateful unwashed pesents! Pay us moar money you low lifes or we'll TAKE it from you!!
Nice.
Just about what I have come to expect from Zulu.
/out
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[125]
This is not even a damage control blog. This is just right-click > self-destruct. ---
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Lucius Voltar
Gallente The ArchAngel Vanguard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Lucius Voltar on 24/06/2011 21:16:46
Rage Begins:
Firstly I'm LOLing at the fact Zulu has actually swore in the dev blog showing that we the players have had an effect. well guess what we all plan to continue in our efforts to stop CCP ruining the game, Subscription or Microtransaction not both, Besides which look up the meaning of micro transaction you morons, virtual goods for a SMALL AMOUNT of money which NEX certainly isnt small.
You keep claiming to be like other companies, but no other company does both virtual stores and subscriptions and those that do virtual stores dont RIP OFF THEIR CUSTOMERS, another thing is, your ridiculous priced items (which i dont give a damn about btw) are raising the Price of PLEX considerably.
All CCP Cares about is money, money, money. Guess what boneheads, 10s of thousands of people paying a small amount is better than a few hundred paying a large amount.
3 Things a Corporation looks for, Profit, Growth and Survivability. you've gone straight for profit, and are going to have negative growth and if you continue down this path eve will not survive.
If you don't believe me, surely the 2000 people in Jita and at least 1500 in amarr let alone other hubs that came to protest (and surrounding systems as the gates were locked) should send a message to even the most hard headed devs that this direction is a one way trip to hell.
The leaked file accurate or not the issue is bigger than that, and CCP needs to open their eyes, wake up and smell the coffee.
EDIT: oh and in case you haven't ever left your room CCP Zulu, any you can get any clothing out these days cheap that looks EXACTLY like a make'd brand apart from it doesn't say it on the inside of the item of clothing which funny enough you don't see. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell.
The Divine Dominion |
Vincentus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Vincentus on 24/06/2011 22:14:29 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA granted CCP you do know how to humor your paying customers. I won't be paying E15,- a month for that though...
Seriously, wtf is going on with you people? Has anyone ever taken some basic economics lessons? Opened a history book? Used the gray matter in their heads?
Apparently, you seem to think that all of this is just another whine by the same old "bitter vets" that always complain about everything (a lot of those points are valid btw, but whatever) and that it will all blow over in a couple of days. Well, you may actually be right about that, but unfortunately for you this time it will take your core player base with it. It seems to me that you actually haven't read any of the serious posts (for example: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html) but instead have been busy deleting game-threatening ponies and doors. If you had stopped to think for a second instead and took away man hours from these very important tasks to maybe, I don't know, try to understand what is going on, you would have realized that the thousands that are protesting in the major market hubs as we speak are not bitter old vets, they are moderate people form the heart of this game, who love this game and who are genuinely worried about it's future. Call me crazy, but I'd think it is in your own interest to make sure you keep these people happy.
In case you've been hiding in some expensive designer office the last couple of years, let me tell you something else which seems pretty obvious to me but you do not seem to realize at all: eve-players are not your average "ow lookz at the pwetty shirt for my farmville sheep" gamers. They are intelligent people, who chose this game because it is intelligent and requires you to act intelligently. This also means however that these players want to be treated like intelligent people, and not being talked down to/ ignored like little obnoxious children. As has been pointed out a million times (pre and post incarna)there are many people who feel like this is exactly how they are being treated, and even though many were able to put up with this because they love this game and community, this patch in conjunction with the release of your internal document (which obviously isn't a discussion btw, as pretty much everything is pro-MT and is talked about as fact, not as an idea) was the last drop for A LOT of people. And if you push people enough, even moderate intelligent people will resort to insults and bashing if it is something they care about and if they feel like they are talking to a wall. Actually reading the forums and checking to see what's going on in game should have made this already very obvious for you.
If I were you CCP, I would quickly apologize for this LOLblog and everything else that has annoyed the players, actually comment on ALL the issues that have been brought forward by the player base and make a promise of what you are going to do and when. AND KEEP THIS PROMISE!
As for company management: It's a shame the company shares aren't listed publicly, as the price of those shares would have collapsed after the expansion/ patch and maybe would maybe give you some incentive to make sure you keep your customers happy. I would get rid of the marketeers and accountant as much as possible, hire people who like eve and PLAY IT and include the CSM in every possible decision that involves changes in the gameplay and LISTEN to them. Also, take a look at the development of your own empolyee satisfaction over the last couple of years, and maybe try to figure out what the outcome of 1+1 is.
As I still have 10 days of subscription time remaining I will be watching to see what happens the coming week, but at the moment I'm not too worried about being a little short on money to extend my subscription...
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[128]
" which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions" ccp zulu
i call bull**** bro, smoothest patch? since when does releasing the first, "oops forgot that one" patch 30 mins BEFORE making the expansion said patch is for live,
also way to waste more hot air on a pointless dev blog that will turn into another mega thread i thought you guys would make it really hard to make you look like idiots but you just keep giving us more stupidity to make fun of and post about.
way to fail zulu :), better luck next time?
also: "People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are."
is that honestly the company line you have chosen to use for your defense? buy it and your friends will be impressed you spent 60$ on a monocle?
do you morons realize that i can setup and have 4 different accounts running for the same price as ONE ****ING PIECE OF VANITY clothing? how does that make sense to you????????
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GARRAK
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[129]
Waste of time
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Jimmae
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[130]
I call your BULL**** and raise by 2 accounts not being resub'd.
It was nice while it lasted.
Regards, Jimmae
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[131]
HAHAHAHA!!!
Should I FRAPS CQ and compare it to FEAR to show you just how "smooth" your expansion went and how "good" does it look?
And yeah... the discussion about anything can lead either way... so once again:
Are you going to abandon non-vanity MT items idea or not? [Petition] Make entry into CQ and Incarna optional. |
Multimedia Carl
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[132]
CCP can suck my manspam This game was great just sucks now
Im signing off for Eve Online o7
(no you cant have my stuff, i gave it away already)
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Darko Decay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Darko Decay on 24/06/2011 21:16:53 wow that was horrible.
*EDIT* about japanese denim.
I wear japanese denim. Flathead and Iron Heart mostly. The only japanese denim that is in the $1000 price range has a platinum thread running down the outside leg. What you are selling here is pixel art not platinum.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[134]
M&M's + this thread. So nais.
On topic, fail blog. Answers please?
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Aurelia Cotta
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[135]
CYNO CYNO CYNO! PRIMARY CCP MANIFEST!! PRIMARY CCP MANIFEST!!PRIMARY CCP MANIFEST!! IN BOUND THREADNAUGHT!! THREADNAUGHT ON FIELD THREADNAUGHT ON FIELD! PRIMARY CCP MANIFEST, SECONDARY CCP FALLOUT IN THE WHAT A BULL **** DEV! TERTIARY MY ACCOUNT TERTIARY MY ACCOUNT!
what a load of horse ****. wtf is this ****? say goodbye eve online. welcome to the fate of star wars galixies.. its sad that this is what eve will be remembered for
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Kyra Ivanova
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[136]
Really Zulupark? REALLY?
STOP DODGING AND ANSWER THE ****ING QUESTION ALREADY:
WILL THERE EVER BE MT FOR NON-VANITY ITEMS YES OR NO?
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Vivid1
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[137]
you greeding peices of ****
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Memorya
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:11:00 -
[138]
This is a ****ing joke. Dude, do you understand that we the playerbase can **** you up totaly ? ------------------------
English is my 5th. Language.
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DeathCam
Unicorn Love Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[139]
Thats it?
Thats all you come out with?
guess thats it then, cya.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[140]
As there was no answer to the relevant question, I assume you just told me to go **** myself.
As I was expecting this, have already cancelled my subscriptions and my both accounts will expire during next 24 hours.
Have fun time with your new MT-friendly customerbase.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[141]
WHAT THE ****
YOU TROLLING OR SOMETHING
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Xia Long
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[142]
...... no seriously, why even take the time to post that DEV blog? doesn't say anything new/different than what you (CCP) had already told us in the few posts u made during the past 24 hours. No answer to our questions No "clear" statement on what u plan to do with EVE in the future (next or long period )
just for the sake of it thou:
" Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?"
Sure everything fine (not) but i don't pay a pair of jeans like a Ferrari or a Concorde, in EVE we have "free clothes" or clothes that cost more than any ship in game, except Titans and SC
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[143]
having worked at companies going through major transition, i know exactly what this type of communication means... more by what it doesn't say than what it does.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[144]
Quote: While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
"Callin it your job don't make it right."
~ Cool Hand Luke.
You completely avoided the real question at hand, which is will you have items in the item mall which are beyond cosmetic.
CCP already lied about having microtransactions in the game altogether. I can only assume at this point that CCP is not answering because they do in fact plan to, and don't want to be called out on that (again). . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[145]
OMFG... Wow...
So you are saying that Greed is Good was kind of like roleplay. It's their job to write about how you can milk us for all the money we got, preferably without leaving us as dead husks so you can continue milking. And because your pal is doing his job so good, we should not be upset by being treated that way? After all... it is only his job!
When I think about it, we should in fact probably feel sorry for you guys because the players are so mean, right?
Alrighty, let me bend over a bit more.
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Cymo Pex
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[146]
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
Yeah passion. Contempt more like.
Let me get this straight: You want people to customise their characters. You release a character-creator with an extremely poor choice of outfits. You then continue to release pretty darn basic stuff for utterly ridiculous prices in a non-free to play game and expect a player to be happy with it? Anyone who thought that this is going to bring immersion into the game must have been drunk or high or probably both (also consindering how those items aren't available for all your clones and can be destroyed?).
Seriously guys, you are mad.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
I can't talk for anyone else, although I suspect I will not be the only one by a wide margin who thinks this way, but this doesn't even come close to addressing any of my concerns.
Firstly, pricing in the NEX is ludicrous but I don't care, I was never going to buy anything in it anyway. This was a joke, not one of my (or I believe our) concerns.
Second, I understand your response about the leaked magazine, and I certainly agree that personally attacking the people in it (or deifying them) is wrong and pointless. However the questions raised by it need a response... You say you wanted a strong internal debate... what was the outcome? This raised questions, none of which you answered.
Which brings me to, Communication... A lot of my complaints have been about your communication, usually the lack of it... you didn't mention this at all..
And you didn't mention at all CQ... At ALL!!! I was afraid the MT rants would drown it out but I have some serious concerns about the design and optionality of CQ.... You didn't even mention it...
I could go on but you have all our questions... You have had days to answer them... This response is pathetic... After all that time I was expecting a book, this could have been bashed out in 5 minutes 3 days ago...
At the moment you have provided answers to precisely none of my questions/worries... I will therefore not be re-subbing on the back of this...
This will also do absolutely nothing to placate the mob...
Try again... but really don't take 3 days to do it. --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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Rer Eirikr
Gallente Clearly Compensating Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[148]
Is... is this a troll?
I'm literally so ****ing confused right now.
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Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[149]
Ouchm this Devblog has made me more concerned about CCP's direction since it exhibits a lack of grasp of reality.
Incarna is not a successful expansion by any measure, it has caused thousands of players to stop playing due to hardware issues. The main feature is barely functional and doesn't even hold the attention of a child for more than a few minutes. Everyone I personally interact with has disabled CQ, or simply quit Eve.
The fact that threads discussing the Fearless publication were locked and players banned doesn't lend weight to your statements regarding the document.
And, the justification of Aurum prices completely misses the point demonstrating that CCP really hasn't bothered reading any of the well thought out player comments. We're not concerned with having to pay stupid prices, because we have no intention of paying them anyway, instead we're concerned that it makes the developers of our favourite game look like idiots and makes us despair over its long term viability.
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GKO
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:12:00 -
[150]
is this a ****ing joke? seriously? this is what took you 2 days? Can someone confirm that this is not a ****ing joke?
There is one simple question and you fail to answer that? This is my first post since the famous door thread, but this DevBlog is an insult. Just tell us when the new MT items influencing the game will arrive. Yeah you forgot to put in that date.
Try writing a Devblog with actual answers to our questions. Next.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[151]
I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st |
Gianna Sister
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[152]
this "devblog" is a perfect summary about everything that's wrong with ccp nowadays.
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Nooto
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[153]
it must be a joke pls say so BEWARE!!!
All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance |
Ortam Mcthan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Ortam Mcthan on 24/06/2011 21:15:28 Is this a ****ing joke? How did you miss the BIG YELLOW QUESTION You ****ing idiots.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[155]
No answer is also an answer: non-vanity MT is coming!
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Thanagherion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[156]
I tried to be level headed, but I'm sorry, nothing is addressed on this blog:
MT for advantages? Yes or no? The WiS is gorgeous? Sorry, I haven't been blown away by it, nor any of the latest expansions. Smooth? Maybe you haven't noticed keys sticking again. Not being able to abort warps. Anoms not spawning rats... I don't call that smooth. Hangar? Not addressed. The bans? Maybe you are not aware of the "kill it with fire" meme. In my corp we usually kid with that, to the point of "kill it with therm/em", whatever. It has become part of the internet lingo... The fact that you write a few words that amount to PR spin with no real concern for a situation that for the first time in all my years as a player united carebears, gankers, pirates, 0.0 vets in a "HELL NO!" position.
As for the prices - I've deliberately been avoiding that, but if you pull real life examples and use them as valid, maybe you need to look at real life goods. You have stuff there which is not particularly appealing that cost more than most of the clothes I wear (and I'm a lawyer who spends a bit on presentation.
I'm sorry but this blog entry is insufficient and shows both lack of professionalism, concern and that you have lost touch with the player reality. As far as I'm concerned, "the tail does not wag the dog". Maybe you should think of actually answering question. History - past and present - has many pages written about politicians talking rubbish hoping the problem goes away... it doesn't. This particular thing made it worse, it made me feel worse and disappointed me further, if that was possible.
Waiting for a real reaction and real answers.
TL:DR - this answers nothing, waiting for a real, concerned, reaction.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Saiph Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[157]
@CCP Manifest - can you please advise CCP Zulu that the primary concern we were waiting to have clarification on in the anticipated devblog was, in fact, whether or not non-vanity (in other words, gameplay-affecting) items would be introduced into the Noble Exchange?
I do appreciate his clarification on how Fearless works, that makes CCP Soundwave's discussion take on a new light. I personally feel that we as a community may have overreacted; however, please also try to understand (on your part as CCP) that we are generally investing our blood sweat and tears into this crazy thing called EVE in time measured in years, not months or weeks, so any hint of pay-to-win immediately calls out the torches and pitchforks.
I hope both CCP and the playerbase can calm down and discuss this like rational human beings; we've been through a lot together, and I think Incarna has provided us a peek at what could be an exciting new portion of our virtual universe.
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JuChar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[158]
New Infos from the wall of text:
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today."
Hu? Is this a joke?
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kloma
Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[159]
why the hell should virtual trousers cost the same as real ones? did you guys look **at all**
ridiculous response to some very easy to answer questions and concerns.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[160]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog. Thanks, Arnar Hrafn Gylfason Senior Producer of EVE Online
NO YOU HAVE ADDRESS NOTHING. YOU DUMB ****.
do i need bigger letters or smaller words to get it through your quite clearly ******ed brain.
its not about the ****ing price of the MT shop!!
CQ breaks teh game experiance of nearly everyone i know in game. WE TOLD YOU!!!
MT for none vanity items, you said woudlnt be implemented. YOU LIED!!!
now do you understand my ****ing concern's
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Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Jehvan Sunburnadire on 24/06/2011 21:15:30
Quote: You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your accounts will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 03 July 2011 and 07 July 2011.
And what I put in the comments:
Quote: There's obviously some sort of really good crack in Iceland, which you're all smoking, because, seriously, this devblog (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932) is ****ing insane.
No, I don't pay more than a ****ing nuclear submarine for my clothes - which is the comparison we can draw from the exchange rate of aurum. Neither do you, and if you think you do, you need some ****ing stronger drugs.
I'm done with your bull****. You took 3 days to make a bull**** response like this? You deserve every bit of the NGE you've brought upon yourselves.
**** this nonsense. They've all gone completely insane, and I won't give my money to insane people to spend on what must be incredibly good psychadelic drugs.
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Cham Palaung
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[162]
This answer is an even worse slap in our face. You don't answer at all our concerns and you even try to make us guilty. Never more you will get one coin from me, damn sharks. Have fun demolishing EVE, without me.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 24/06/2011 21:14:19 the lag in JITA was horrible so i'm a little late, my apologiese.
Quote: ... which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous ...
you are pulling the mickey right? do you really think that "gorgeous" and "smooth" should be in the same sentence when talking about Incarna? Sir, you are really out of touch with reality - I remember you from the "18-months debarcle" ... you needed Nathan to step in on that one.
You are the Senior Producer of EVE, you own the backlog and it's your responsibility that the features in EVE delivers on the business objectives you have.
That was first paragraph - i'll read the next now
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Moonasha
Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[164]
What a terrible response.
CCP I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION.
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Quinteal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[165]
This is insulting. Add three more unsubscribes to the pile.
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Ultranoia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[166]
Oh my.
This will be AwesomeÖ
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Met Chabot
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:13:00 -
[167]
What a half assed piece of s***
The amount of spin and bulls*** that comes from it just shows how much you really do not understand what the players are trying to tell you.
You should run for a political office, since you obviously have the double talk and lying through teeth down to a t.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[168]
When an in-game item that can be destroyed costs more than the real life counterpart ($25 for a virtual shirt/blouse?), you are seriously deluding yourselves. Take a look at the Team Fortress store to see microtransactions done right as microtransactions.
That's all I have to say. I really feel bad for you guys.
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Latest video: Future Proof (720p) 2D Animator |
Malice Redeemer
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[169]
Canceled 2 accounts over not addressing the old ship hanger view.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[170]
Originally by: CCP Zulu I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Yes, in fact I do have another question, or rather, me and about 200 other posters in the other thread have a question:
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Crye MultiCam
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Sorry: I preserved the quote pyramid for added emphasis.
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marinko26210
Gallente 4S Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Vhelia O_O I expected everything, but you guys never cease to amaze me ! Good job, enjoy the ****storm. You deserve it!
+1
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Del ReyII
Caldari Shadow Research Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[172]
Wow, in all my years of eve never have I seen such a disrespectful dev blog. That was a serious 'F*** You' to the eve community.
Guess CCP of old is long gone.
o/
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Otocinclus
Minmatar Project Nemesis WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[173]
poastin in threadnarok #2
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Amaise
Raven Lords
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[174]
tl;dr
You nerds are rich and wear 1000$ jeans like we at ccp all do. MT and P2W is here to stay. Learn to 'swallow' better.
kthxbai
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PortMoresby
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[175]
lulz, you can sell all the vanity items you want for whatever ******ed price you want for them just want to remind you that this is not 2nd life but eve and we play this game cause we're all (more less) real geeky and like spaceships. We dont give a **** about expensive clothes.. Jesus!
What a useless blog not addresing ANY of the real concerns!!
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[176]
I missed the blog. There were some words, but there was no meaning to them.
Just a lot of words that said nothing.
They didn't address any problems.
They didn't solve any problems.
They were truly worthless.
The only thing that blog said was:
"You are idiots."
Certainly worth the wait. It looks like all the answers are there, indeed.
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[177]
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
No, no it did not.
It did not cover:
- Stance on MT
- Issues with the lack of hanger
- Issues with CQ being a PoS
- Issues with CQ melting computers
- Overpriced monocles
However, I will say this, the fearless newsletter, I can understand, if you had come out and said what the result of said discussion was, but no. It resolves nothing.
Oh, and
FREE HELICITY!
Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
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Jennifer Nardieu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[178]
The blog paraphrased
Quote:
Dear Players,
Rage Against the Machine said it best: "**** you I won't do what you tell me".
Peace,
CCP Smugface
Btw how come we get profanity filters, yet its perfectly acceptable to use the word sh!t on an official public blog?
What a pointless epic waste of my time and yours.
Players: Kill the gibson.
"Row row row your boat gently down the stream..."
The post didnt answer any questions what so ever, insulted the player base, could have fit inside a twitter update and if it really took a whole hour to write that, CCP Zulu needs to migrate from hunt 'n' peck, to touch typing.
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Bodrul
Caldari Paragon. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[179]
wow that was Epic Fail response
Quote:
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop
way to address the Issue so now virtual items have been compared to real life counter parts and what it seems to be priced as equally (well CCP must be thinking of the high social club members who also like their virtual items to be branded aswell)
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Azureusi
Cargo Container Rotation Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Why even bother, CCP? Why not just tell us to GO **** OURSELVES?
Or would you then have to ban yourself for making threats?
Damn right ~ Azzy ~ |
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luvmehard
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[181]
This got to be a joke.. Unbelievable.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[182]
That blog is a ****ing joke!!
That blog give no information about the real issue here!!
WILL MT INCLUDE INGAME ITEMS WITH BETTER STATS THAT CAN GIVE YOU AN INGAME ADVANTAGE????
Seriously, answer this simple question.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[183]
That dev blog does not address any of the real issues.
It seems the 'deliberately playing dumb' is also a CCP motto.
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Tro Aele
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[184]
Whoa.... that was supposed to be helpful?
I wasn't exactly mad before, just disappointed in CCP for going all EA games.
Now I'm a bit offended, honestly and for the first time in Eve.
Please, please stop dropping the ball and show a little bit of the old CCP spirit. Come on now. CCP was the company that bought themselves back and did it there own way and was amazing successful. Please, please don't keep going this way.
I don't even really care about the MT. Sucks, ugly, everything but the CCP I thought I knew could have done a hell of a lot better than this.
Who exactly did you hire recently? Did the dev's all go to MBA classes or something? What went wrong?
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RedLemon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[185]
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today"
What I'd like to know is if there will be golden teeth?
Seroisly though get real and adress the issue at hand this is a sidestep from what the real issue is.
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Vilgan Mazran
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:14:00 -
[186]
1 tiny expansion (incursions) 2 terrible expansions (dominion/tyrannis)
and 1 big F U to the playerbase expansion (incarna).
I think it is safe to say that Zulu's blog did nothing except make blood pressure a bit higher. Don't you have a PR person with a clue? Shouldn't you be running blogs by them first?
wow.
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Iko Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[187]
Was waiting for an honest reply to actual concerns this is not it unsubing 2 accounts, not waiting around like I did for the SWG NGE to see if things got better.
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Reloadin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[188]
Perfect response.
At least he knows the saying:
Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Too many idiots around at the moment.
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Devinator
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[189]
CCP you fail.
this is like trying to extinguish a fire with oxygen.
say goodbye to my subscription money.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[190]
Stop drinking so much alcohol. I know it is expensive there in Iceland. You save money and at the same time do you spare us your drunken ideas.
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Ariel Nova
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[191]
worst CCP response I've read, possibly ever.
You have until August to get your house in order or lose my 4 accounts.
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Terdarius
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[192]
Wow his was your big chance to calm some people down and put out some of the fires... instead you added more fuel by not addressing any of the concerns of the player base.
Good luck to the community managers in facing the even worse **** storm that is going to follow.
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Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[193]
THAT was IT? What "concerns" did you actually address there? I must have missed them. I call that attempt to justify the clothes prices and compare them to ACTUAL clothing in real life hilariously inept. You just made things worse by a quantum leap with that chunk of corporate fluff and dribble.
Look: Are you going to sell ammo and ships via MT, yes or no? That's what we need to know.
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Falcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[194]
Thread needs moar ponies tbh, what a ****ing joke...
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SciWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[195]
╭∩╮(o_O)╭∩╮
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Isis Tavore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[196]
CCP, your arrogance and ignorance is breathtaking.
Your customers asked for a one word answer to one simple question. You evaded it completely and utterly.
You have one of the most loyal customer-bases of any online service. Whether your customers may like the answer or not is irrelevant, you should at least respect them and give an answer.
Quite astonishing. Good luck with your Farmville in space - I won't be renewing my sub.
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Strazdas Unstoppable
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[197]
you open a devblog with
Quote: Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
and then expect anyone to take it seriously?
Quote: Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
Altrough i agree that many people on the forums have overreacted a lot, if the opinions expressed in the letter were the actual opinions of those people they deserve a good spanking.
Quote: Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?
No. No. I wouldn't buy jeans for 1000 dollars. I dont wear jeans for 1000 dollars because i wear same for 50 dollars. other people think that one is a spoiled money waster.
Quote: We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
you hope every expansion will have a massive rage-quit and threadnaughts? are you purposely attempt to run yourself out of business?
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[198]
Insulting.
Actually this devblog makes me kinda sad. I got a feeling it's all over now
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Buck Nero
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[199]
seriously, wtf was that ? Answered none of the issues of almost half a million posts today. Your company is a joke right now. you are gonna lose a lot of players over this.
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FrankT
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[200]
You could have just said:
Dear Eve Community,
Go **** Yourself
-End Dev Blog
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Zelphinine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[201]
It took you an hour to write that boilerplate?
Hey guys. This is where you step up and have an honest conversation with your customers.
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VoidXC
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[202]
CCP, you have done absolutely nothing to address the multitude of topics that we are angry about as players. Most of them are compiled quite well here: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
I hope you have something much more effective and to the point coming soon, or this WILL be the NGE of EVE.
This devblog only served to highlight the extent to which you have grown out of touch with your player base. It addressed none of our concerns, and I'm quite sure will only add more fuel to the fire of protest burining throughout New Eden.
If you want to (slowly) gain the trust of your players back, address the issues in the above link. And do it quickly! "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Einstein |
Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[203]
I didn't join in on the rage earlier but this dev blog really baffled me. You pat yourself on the back for doing an awesome job, tell ppl they are being mean to CCP Soundwave and say that prices are fine.
Are you ****ING insane?!?! Really, I expected some back peddling and a more humble tone but this is just a punch in the face of the playerbase....
LulzSec
Eve website may or may not work off and on; we're not actually hitting it, their stuff is so crappy that it goes down with the logins.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Raid''En on 24/06/2011 21:17:15 okay guys. i was sure this devblog wouldn't answer anything... but AT THIS POINT ! my feeling are back to when i opened the nex tab for the 1st time on TQ and saw the price : i'm totally stunned by something i can't understand.
Quote: which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
seems you didn't listen to us you already forgot all the technical issues ? you already forgot all the gameplay issues ? not even a "we're working on it" ?!
Quote: They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company
remember you asked you a pretty simple question : will you stuck to vanity items ? YES or NO ? and if you want to answer "no, but..." then say it. but SAY SOMETHING !
Quote: Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
only point i do agree, but that's the tiniest of the problem here.
Quote: In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
we're not raging about how high the price are so we can't buy them, we're raging about how the price are high so you won't sell much ! your pricing is ridiculous ! divide the price by 10 and you'll have 50x more sales ! divide by 50 and you'll have 1000x more sales !
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
NO
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Sundered Hope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[205]
Swing and a miss...
People aren't ****ed aobut the cost of monacles...
Eve gameplay is all based on self regulating markets, and fairness between players.
What everyone is ****ed at is the concept of people being able to pay real money and gaining an advtantage.
This could potentially destroy the game for everyone who does not purchase items.
Haven't you paid any attention to what has happened to other games which introduced balance related microtransactions?
Correct me if im wrong, but you stated in the past that you would never introduce microtransactions correct?
Finally, people are SUPER ****ED about you pathetic responses... we aren't stupid... trying to pretend we are isn't helping your case.
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Transporter Slave
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[206]
WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT STAY RESTRICTED TO VANITY ITEMS ONLY?
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Audax Rarnikwar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[207]
This is just a kick in the communities ass. Are you serious? I am not the type of person who emorages about every change, but this is ****ing retarted. (And I mean retarted literally, because your reacton is not sane. Not at all sane.) |
Krevnos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 24/06/2011 21:02:58 I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
I think that line will be of much use to us, thank you, looking forward to utilize it
/c
Hee hee, I was thinking exactly the same thing: this really takes the biscuit!
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Maul555
Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[209]
Will you EVER sell advantages in eve online? This includes special ships, ammo, skill points, implants, faction standings, ect...
Answer this satisfactorily and the ****storm will go away!
/And when will I get my ship spinning back?
The EVE Personality Test
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[210]
If this is CCP's idea of community communications, then it's goodbye EVE. It was fun while it lasted.
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[211]
Omg, CCP is more stupid than I originally thought. I guess they really do think Greed Is Good.
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Ko'rell Cosca
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[212]
I've stayed out of this until now, reamining hopeful and optimistic.
I needn't of bothered. This blog was a total cop out. It adressed NONE of the core complaints and issues that are being thrown about the forums. I have no idea how you can possibly compare a real life item of any worth, to that of something in a game you'll only see RARELY, if you even have your CQ enabled.
This blog shows without a shadow of a doubt the disconnect between devs and players. All over the forums, in game and amongst personal blogs and gaming websites there has been an outcry of the likes you rarely see in gaming. It's all to do with your chosen MT model, and the current prices on the NeX. How can you possibly consider adding yet more expensive items above that already available, when people are raging at the rediculous prices you currently have? This brash grab for money will do nothing but leave you dry.
You still haven't addressed as to whether MT will remain vanity or not and i for one hope this is an oversight. There is no way, ever, that the EvE community will accept a Pay to Win model, not a chance. You can try and force it down our throats as best you can, we'll spit it right back in your face. You can forget DUST, you can forget WoD. You've shown your hand now and you've lost.
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Jude Lloyd
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:15:00 -
[213]
This response is garbage. You addressed nothing with actual answers.
And yes, jeans can cost $1000 dollars in real life, but how does that translate to $80 for an in game face accessory?
You don't change more money for a face accessory than the game costs.
Again, this response is garbage.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[214]
Seriusly. That blog was ****
You didnt adress the issue. You failed.
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Kristoff Oldsvarzchy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[215]
It's like reading a contextual version of Hosni Mubarek's final speech, just before he got run out of town. You management pricks can go choke on some greasy whale cum.
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Shoko Konjo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[216]
Oh, one other thing.
When you say "Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are", you are absolutely right. THAT is why I don't own a $1000 pair of jeans, and why I might not log back in.
I guess you did clarify things after all.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[217]
CCP have finally lost their way, along with my trust and loyalty. Damn shame. ___
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General Longkill
Helljumpers White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[218]
are you seriously going to sit here and tell us to shut up when we are telling you WE DON"T WANT THIS ****ING ****!
Don't compare RL clothing to pixls, there is no comparison.
We pay your salaries
DON'T FORGET THAT.
I know loads of people unsubbing because your just ****ting on the people that made your success possible....
That is not how you run a business... You WANT your customers happy, not angry and leaving you.
Get your **** straight or I'm outta here too.
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Ghazi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[219]
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. WTF?!?!? NO!!!!!
if there are concerns not covered by this blog. Are you missing the point of all of this, or what?
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Tebb1288
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[220]
I appreciated that blog, and I appreciate the fact that CCP is sticking by their decisions. Though I was never stupid enough to get all upset in the first place.
People have to play devils advocate in internal discussions, or else decisions will be based off a poor discussion. Microtransactions in Eve are not like other games anyway, you can buy it all with isk.
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LOL56
First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[221]
What a dreadful devblog, not Zulu's fult most likely, but its still woefully inadequate.
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Shrike Malakim
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[222]
Edited by: Shrike Malakim on 24/06/2011 21:29:06 I was a new player, still on my first month of playtime and planning to be here for a while.
I've now unsubbed, and won't be resubbing if this continues in the thread you're implying through lack of actual response.
Clear statements about intent in your internal newsletter *do* show just how little you think of players.
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Erin Hakaari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[223]
Frankly that is truely pathetic as responses go, as for your jean metaphor don't be absurd. And lets not forgot you've failed to answer the big question. I'm of to champions online, for $70 I can buy most of their microtransaction shop.
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DiaLogical
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[224]
This is such a letdown. At least you could've said something like things were taken out of context but we got the message that this is a very sensitive and important issue for you and we'll approach and communicate it with great care. Instead we just got...
The whole problem here is that the newsletter clearly wasn't a "for the sake of argument" pro-con discussion! Allow me to quote p.11 again; "On the opposite end of the scale to vanity items are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay,..." "Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so."
I think it's pretty clear where the focus lies, any and all "creative" methods to gain more revenue from MTs. I expected a more sincere effort at trying to voice a response which at least would've put some of us a little at ease that you may have gotten what a bunch of people are so worked up about.. If that 15 minute write-up is the fruit of a day+ internal discussions, this is worse than I thought.
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Tejal Charu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[225]
Just answer one simple question: non-vanity items? YES or NO
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Lofe sXe
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[226]
FREE MINTCHIP!
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Aglaeca Belobog
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[227]
I can't say anything better than it has already been, but I feel that CCP insulted us by thinking our main concern was the price of some virtual shirts. Thanks CCP, I am glad it is OK to continuing not giving a **** about vanity items.
We see through your dodge. We are smarter than that, and you should be too.
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Haunting Widow
Wormhole Engineers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[228]
That was so illuminating.... ON HOW MUCH YOU HAVE COMPLETELY IGNORED THE ISSUE!
Really?? That's all you guys have to say after more than a day of thought?? Do you have an eve-disability? In inability to understand eve? To form concepts and respond to environmental stimuli?
Here's a test... - -- --- eve community says, "CCP, we don't want non-vanity to be up for purchase on the NEx"
CCP says... "Hey look, this room looks awesome! It's so cool!" --- -- - <sits back> yes... yes I seee... I think you could very much benefit from this drug.. mmhmmm, yes, now make sure you listen to the big men in the white coats when you leave this room.. no, no the door's that way, yes.. ok bye now have a nice day.
<gets the Bourbon>
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Vincent Jarjadian
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[229]
CCP have made a nice game... i hope they dont ruin it by ignoring their players too much...
In response to your '$1000 Jeans' potion of the dev blog... WE ARE NOT BUYING A PAIR OF JEANS.
If you sell 10 of these at $60... you make $600 if you sell 10,000 of them for $6... or 1,000,000 of them for $0.6 bucks you actually make MORE money...
We are playing a game and to think you are making a useless item in the game cost so much is an insult to all of your players. Why make something that so few will use.
You are wasting OUR money on designing art stuff for sale at crazy prices.... please SPEND OUR MONEY MORE WISELY. I Love EVE, and it was a lot better a few months ago... Walking in stations is nice... could lead to some nice things... but your strive for a player based economy has just been killed by your own microtransactions store.
The way i see it... you have 2 choices... since your subscribers are obviously outraged... either reduce the prices in the AUR store or scrap it completely...
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Klebzellok
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[230]
1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[231]
missed this little gem the first time
"We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale." CCP zulu.
you are mistaking passion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelHwf8o7_U) and hatred (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGz3uyCNZCM) hopefully this helps you learn the difference between the 2 but seeing as you still think the issue is prices and not the fact that you are literally driving the player base to RIOT IN GAME at the trade hubs im not getting my hopes up. |
Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[232]
what Zulu said was infact something like "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman"
"Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
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SPAECMARNIES
Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:16:00 -
[233]
Holy ****, way to disconnect Zulu. First, your not listening, then a ****storm appears, and then you don't listen again! Good job. Good job.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[234]
two things came clear with this devblog:
first, no, you can't overheat Damage control mods;
and second:
because if there ever was a devblog where you say so many :words: to say nothing at all, this is one. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Azureusi
Cargo Container Rotation Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Myra2007
I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! ~ Azzy ~ |
Harkour Sensi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[236]
Posting in a "I don't understand the issue at hand" post.
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Niraia
Zaratha Zarati Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[237]
Not the response I was hoping for.
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Valator Uel
Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[238]
Edited by: Valator Uel on 24/06/2011 21:17:35 Can we have a dev blog by John Turbefield. You know, someone who actually understands what is going on.
------------------ Support PLEX for SpaceHobo! Send a random hobo into space! |
Drachenfels Constant
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[239]
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
I write this knowing you'll likely never see this but your letter to your customers was an insult. It was insulting to ignore the fact that the real issues and questions have evolved beyond the newsletter and it's content. We know it's not necessarily the policy of CCP. We don't know what is the policy of CCP. That's the issue.
As you trying to spin incarna's launch positively, it was both ill-formed and can only be read as a chided retort to the anger form your customers that simply do not know where they stand.
It seems to me that if CCP is really interest in the MMO genre and believe in the social gaming genre, you have an opportunity to change this fiasco into something special.
1. Keep talking to your customers, we make your pay day possible. 2. Be open and make solid assurances on the way forward. 3. Be the bravest company in the industry and open the company to being bought by your players. float the company publically and give your customers a real voice.
Of course this would take balls, it would require you to be FEARLESS!
you man enough for it?
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[240]
CCP Zulu, that wasn't the blog we were looking for.
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[241]
From one business owner to (i think) another.
Your a bunch of idiots.
If my customer base stood up and told me what yours have Id be a damned fool to ignore it.
Stop sniffing the glaciers
P.S.
FREE HELLCITY FREE LIANG
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Carmine Lady
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[242]
GO ****ING DIAF CCP.
(there I ****ing said it; ban me all you want I DONT GIVE A ****. I wouldn't be coming back anyway.) FREE HELICITY FREE LIANG REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[243]
jesus, what is wrong with you people at CCP
Why did you not specifically address the concerns that MT for ingame advantages are coming?
You could have made a solid vanity-only microtransaction commitment. The fact that you haven't is proof enough for most people that you are planning non-vanity transactions, and that **** just won't fly among your playerbase in any way, shape, or form.
I am a fairly reasonable fellow, but unless i see a solid commitment to vanity-only transactions I am done, and a lot of my spacebros are as well. _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Sakaane Eionell
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[244]
I didn't join in on the earlier rage, because I do not feel the rage myself. I'm fine with CQ, though I agree there should be a "Disembark" button and all the race versions should have been completed before release. I don't particularly care about NeX as it stands now, because if I don't want to use it, I simply won't.
I am conflicted about the potential for game-progressing items to be included in NeX. On the one hand, people can more or less buy their way up already simply by purchasing PLEX for RL money, selling the PLEX for ISK, then buying a ship with that ISK which they may not have been able to afford otherwise without months and months or grinding missions or whatever.
Being potentially able to buy LP for Aurum depends on how you look at it. Bribes exist in the real world, so why not EVE? Yet... I dunno. This is one kind of purchase that just reeks too much of the kind of scummy gameplay that EVE shouldn't have.
The thing is, CCP had an opportunity with this devblog to set the record straight regarding what was actually decided regarding MT. If the newsletter was just internal debate that may or may not have preceded the public promise to restrict MT to vanity items, fine. But it is not hard to say so. There are 26 letters in the English alphabet. All you had to type was:
"We would like to confirm our stance that MT will remain restricted to vanity items. The directions proposed in the newsletter were abandoned."
or
"Despite what we said earlier, we decided to revisit the topic of non-vanity MT items. So sorry, we lied, but it is our prerogative to change our minds."
See how easy it is?
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Sofia Coren Try again, this time without spending the whole blog telling us how wonderful and right you are...
...
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Creetalor
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[246]
*claps* Thanks guys really awesome post there, sure it addresses why the thing came to be but no reassurance that your plan is to not do P2W!
Prices compared to real life really great as well, if prices where even lower by 1 0 digit you would be making so much more money and people could care less if they where destructible then with the pod! Your largest buyer for NPC Corp items will be Roleplayer and you ****ed on them with those prices and if those are your final ones I do not even want to see a Ishukone Watch Uniform top! Hmm be able to Roleplay for 10 months sadly without clothes or have to pay double the sub time and look believable! I think 10 months was probably a low cut there. Your really not listening even if I understand its hard with the flux on forums but you do know there is some sort of reason for it! ----------------------------------------
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[247]
worst. devblog. ever.
Zulu et al... you're going to need a whole hell of a lot of these for the incoming threadnought.
Hope you calculated your resists right... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, Tyranis Expansion, Summer 2010 Creation is so precious...and greed, so destructive.
CCP - Your choice WILL make a difference |
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[248]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 24/06/2011 21:20:32 CCP: Failing to understand the problem since 2002...
To be honest I predict that this devblog is just going to make your problems with the playerbase worse, not better. For me it doesn't matter. I stopped giving a **** what CCP says years ago.
Then again, I don't wear $1000 jeans either.
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Amerille
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Amerille on 24/06/2011 21:45:27 I love Incarna. You did a great job CCP. Please just say yes or no to the quesion if Aurum goes further then vanity items so this storm can blow over :P
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Nilt
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[250]
Edited by: Nilt on 24/06/2011 21:18:17 I've stayed out of responding to this stuff for the most part. I feel, however, this is as good a place as any to put my thoughts out.
Originally by: CCP Zulu While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
I must say I agree with this. The ad hominem attacks are absurd and need to stop, if folks wish to be taken seriously. What are we, freaking SEVEN YEARS OLD?! Jeebus, people!
That said, however, Zulu, you cannot seriously equate $1000 real life jeans with supposed micro-transactions in games. You guys have a serious lack of understanding when it comes to the value proposition of MT in general. You've clearly lost view of the micro part; that's what makes this sort of thing in any way attractive. It's such a nominal price people figure "why not". The digital equivalent of $60 for one piece of virtual clothing? Not a chance in bloody hell most folks would pay that. $6, maybe, $.60 almost certainly. The same could be said about the commercial license issue. I understand your desire to maintain control of your IP; I know it's a difficult issue. You need to be much mroe realistic on price, though.
Now, I am not one that's likely to ever buy in-game goods in that manner. My kid, however, probably would. You've got to price things according tot he market you wish to capture. You're not Apple, stop pricing things as though you were. I really hope you, CCP in general, get this. I love the game of Eve and I have nothing but respect for the hard-working folks that make it a reality. Please listen to the point between the lines, ignoring the raging jerkwads as much as possible. We're not all like that but more than just them are concerned about this.
Edit: Dear god, in less than 5 minutes we got 10 more pages to this thread. Can we say MASSIVE concerns?
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Melkie
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[251]
This is the worst response I have heard from a company who is supposed to be professional, It did not answer any questions. The basic sum up was "Hahah Deal with it."
Say goodbye to 2 accounts o7
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Takishu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[252]
My response ? As constructive than the Devblog : AHAHaHAHAHAHAHHAHAHahHaHAHaHAHAHAHAAAH
Thank you for opening my eyes... I will bend over gracefully now that i know you buy 1000 $ jeans. That's why u need so much my money.
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Phain Death
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[253]
Really? You have the gall to whinge about having CCP employees called to task for what they wrote, just because it wasn't meant for our eyes? HAHAHA
P.S. Free Helicity's Bosom!
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Zurioc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[254]
How about CCP's Policy on the future of MT'S and possible game changes.
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Korerin Mayul
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[255]
This was cool, like fine, i red the PDF, several times, it was pritty clear that this was a ****-storm out of proportion, it was good to get that sort of cleared up, unfortunatly you done gone monocled at this part:
Quote: While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
i could wright a few thousand words but ill pop it down as a sentence instead: This is pretty rubbish confrontation management.
good night guys, gf ccp.
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Badeo Beta
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
[256]
unacceptable.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[257]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog. Thanks, Arnar Hrafn Gylfason Senior Producer of EVE Online
NO YOU HAVE ADDRESS NOTHING. YOU DUMB ****.
do i need bigger letters or smaller words to get it through your quite clearly ******ed brain.
its not about the ****ing price of the MT shop!!
CQ breaks teh game experiance of nearly everyone i know in game. WE TOLD YOU!!!
MT for none vanity items, you said woudlnt be implemented. YOU LIED!!!
now do you understand my ****ing concern's
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SilentDisruptor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[258]
BECOME OUTRAGED!!!!
You guys are a bunch of jerks.
Not only have you lied to the players, now you basically just told us to go F ourselves.
Hope that you have some other job prospects.
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Skah Seraph
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[259]
Frankly I'm appalled at the behavior of the community surrounding this issue. Truly, I thought the maturity of this community set it apart from other MMO's but I'm sad to say that the ravenous behavior of the players over the past 2 days has been embarrassing.
Let me ask a question of all the people out there complaining:
Do you work at CCP? No you do not.
Let them do their jobs. They really do care about making Eve the best it can be. Just because you pay for a subscription every month doesn't give you the right to attack people. If you are that mad, then JUST STOP PLAYING! The mature ones who are still having fun won't miss you.
CCP THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DON"T LET THE HATERS DRAG YOU DOWN!
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FourFiftyFour
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[260]
Did the CSM not warn you that this would happen? Did you not pay attention when T'Amber resigned? Have you not been paying attention at all?
Do you realize you are responsible for a sizable portion of your countries income? Do you realize that if you destroy your own company that you kill Iceland's third largest export? Do you know how the lack of that income might affect your communities?
Keep you customers happy. That is the number one rule in business. You fail that. All the time.
LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS.
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Izo Azlion
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44 You still haven't repeated your commitment to never bringing non-vanity MT's, but it doesn't matter.
A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.
Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?
CCP has shown many times that its promises are meaningless.
The only thing now that you can do is DELIVER. Your words have no value and won't stop the exodus. The time to promise to never bring non-vanity MTs is gone, you can't even reiterate promise, but it doesn't matter because we don't trust you anymore, anyway.
Only your ACTIONS could change something.
Remove the Noble Exchange, give players back the PLEX's they have spent on Aurum and make all the Noble Store content free for everyone. Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat.
That should be enough to stop the bleeding until the next time you **** because we all know you are too stubborn to do what the CSM tells you and to learn from your mistakes.
It takes years to build trust and just a few seconds to destroy it.
That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.
Agreed.
Sorry CCP but you're making it worse, you're going to release more expensive stuff? Sorry but, the clothes thing is *******s and I'm getting frustrated now. Izo Azlion.
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Merasa Tro
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[262]
Thank you for the devblog reply.
However, it does not address any of the primary concerns regarding the recent patch.
1) Will MT be used for in game advancement?
2) Will you release improvements/changes to the CQ technologies to resolve gameplay issues
3) Will you start to engage,discuss,trust your player community.
Thankyou for your timely response to the above.
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Brahan Seer
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[263]
He didn't address the fact that CQ should be optional!!!!
it goes like this
In space>>>>>>>>>>>Dock in hanger>>>>>>>Leave ship and go into CQ
Why havn't they talked about this yet when this was more talked about than everything else. damn ccp, and i was sticking up for you _________- Since 2004 |
SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[264]
Amazing...what ever weed u are all on can I have some.
U compared rl clothing to pixel clothing, u have lost it haven't u!
So with what u are saying, when it comes to buying a ship or T3 ammo people will have to pod out Billions of dollars to buy one LOL!!!!!!!!!
U bloody idiots! tell ya being lead by the nose by a b****er
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[265]
What a lovely empty response, plenty of words that don`t really explain anything....
The odds of an EVE player having both a girlfriend and one that plays EVE...well let's just say it's up there with the universe deciding that existence is highly overrated and correcting the mistake |
Verizana
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[266]
Yeah, what i thought
......Complete *******s
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Rytell Tybat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[267]
What a mess. Even waiting another day or two would have been better then this response.
Wondering what criteria is used to evaluate the success of a "Expansion"?
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Larik Olen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[268]
'I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having'
You didn't. Not a single one. This is simply the most arrogant, useless response you could possibly have come up with.
We will never trust you after this. Never again.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[269]
No dev blog would have been better than that complete nonesense.
You know what CCP, stick to your "we are right you lot can get lost" attitude. You'll get the game you deserve.
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
John'eh
Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[270]
The blog is worthless.
It fails to solve the issues, acts like our demands are worthless, and further insults us by trying to hide the main topics of contention.
wtf ccp?
I don't care that the cloths I'm wearing really were bought from nordstrom; that shouldn't dictate the prices in a game I play as a diversion after office hours for 15/month. Saying otherwise is just plain FAIL.
And yes, the community can "attack" individual people. The fact is, its called keeping people accountable for their actions and making sure they take responsibility for them.
Additionally, you guys are you are the only game in town that has internet spaceships so Im sure that makes you feel good; I guarantee that will not be true for long.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[271]
You just broke the world record in arrogance. That blog is simply utter insulting to people. You have no touch with reality.
Its confirmed. CCP got no future. It died today. like SWG died completely today as well from their mistake. --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Marcus Luso
Amarr Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[272]
Thanks for nothing.
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Zombatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[273]
Hilarious, worst blog post ever... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Terrible, just terrible. CCP you will never look the same again...
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:18:00 -
[274]
Wow! Just Wow! Seriously? Is this some sort of practical joke before you answer the questions? If this is a real response from CCp and you believe this is going to help....... then you might as well pick the filth off the floor and smear it in your custommers faces.........
JUST ANSWER THIS! PLEASE!
Are you going to introduce anything other than VANITY items in to the game for Aur?
Answer that...
If you wont answer that.. Can I have the years subscription back that I paid about a month ago?
That blog was Sooooooooo Insulting........ You come across so damn smug.. so superior... I better not type what I'm thinking.. you'll just ban me.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[275]
So this is CCP's answer? You took all this time to more or less tell us to f**K off and accept it? It's an absolutely shocking display of arrogance and disregard for your customers. Have you ever seen your player base so angry and motivated? You have a chance to be motivated or crushed by it - wht do you think the response of the wider gaming community will be as this leaks out through new media and word of mouth?
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Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[276]
Zulu, if you need to talk, email me, I'm sure you can find my email address. You can even do so anonymously.
I know you're being forced to write this by the management, and that it's not your real opinions.
I'm on your side. --
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Cedric deBouilard
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[277]
...so, where's the apology in that blog? The tone was the opposite, he was angry at us for raging (we were raging rightfully). this wont do.
I change my mind, It's a big "**** you" to playerbase. you didn't had to wait 4 days to write that.
You know what? Next time dont bother writing anything, Seleene and other CSM guys handles your PR mistakes much better than you do.
You don't get it do you? it's not just about "Fearless newsletter and Monocles", it's about COMMUNICATION.
You go to great lengths electing the CSM, talk to them. Because they do a much better PR job then you guys do, and they're not even get paid.
oh and btw, unsubbed my alt.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[278]
I am honestly not sure how stupid someone has to be to compare the price of a virtual good to a real one.
When you get $1,000 jeans they're nothing like $50 ones. you're paying for materials, construction quality, and design. You're paying so for every instance. But in Eve, a $5 pair of pants and a $50 pair of pants are made of the same "material" and took the same amount of time to make as well as being able to be spawned ad naseaum.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Midnight Hope
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[279]
OMG!!! That's it?
You sincerely thought this was going to calm the waters and put out the fire?!! Really?!
You sir are certainly too far removed from your customers.
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Transporter Slave
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[280]
Shall I keep saying this until you figure out that, due to your PR-Leak and fiasco, you need to reassure us of this? And not some half-assed promise...
If so, i'll happily repeat it: WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT STAY RESTRICTED TO VANITY ITEMS ONLY? WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT EVER SPAWN ITEMS OUT OF THIN AIR?
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Empori
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[281]
As a psychologist with focus on conflict management in organisations and a special interest (which I don't tell my clients) in shooting down carebears, I congratulate you CCP to successfully escalating the conflict and creating more hostility.
A trick in all conflicts is to listen and validate not go on the offensive or defensive.
Laterz
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Leon Razor
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[282]
ETA on real dev blog to address concerns? Maybe something with actual content and some official CCP statements about what they are going to do to address the multitude of issues brought up in this longer, player written post, not to mention the almost 200 page forum thread.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[283]
Originally by: FrankT You could have just said:
Dear Eve Community,
Go **** Yourself
-End Dev Blog
I thought that is exactly what they just did.
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Muchos Besitos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[284]
Quote: This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out.
Basically patting yourself on the back, while we are ravaged and upset about the same exact expansion????. Wow... those some balls CCP.
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
I think far more people buy clothes for the cost, rather than the expression. A pair of jeans is just a fricken pair of jeans, while a pair of virtual jeans costing more than what I'm wearing at my desk is outright robbery and theft. Your system is a joke, and your ego is too big to see what real life is to your gamers. Virtual or not, we are not your cash cows. You're a joke... and you lost 2 more accounts.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Thanks,
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
You've addressed how clueless and dumb your egotistical brains are. I'm kicking you the **** out of my life.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[285]
It took you over 24 hours to produce that blog? Really?
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[286]
You haven't addressed ANY concerns.
Because you're clearly not attempting to read the BIG YELLOW FONT that others have been using.
I thought it was excessive, but it's clear you have made a decision to introduce RMT and non-vanity items into the production line, because all you would have to do is re-iterate what you said in the past about non-vanity items.
The price is ridiculous, and frankly I expect the MEDIA TO LAUGH AT YOU for that.
But the promise of non-vanity items is over the top. You are going to literally crush your community. You just don't have the guts to say it.
You think this will blow over, it will not. People have been protesting in Amarr, Jita and no Dodixie for over 2 hours, and you think it will go away?
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[287]
CCP you have lost your collective ****ing mind.
I'm out, -4 subs, bubye.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Malken what Zulu said was infact something like "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman"
pure ****ing win, thats what he gets for stealing bill's line
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[289]
Edited by: Lock out on 24/06/2011 21:24:07 "I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having."
Nope.
But am sure if you would adress the concerns formulated here on a point by point basis we'd all be treating your blog like less of a joke.
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Kallynda Nai
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[290]
It took you 24 hours to completely miss the point? That's the kind of inefficiency I expect here in the States.
Color me impressed.
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[291]
My reaction to that devblog was, Wow... and not in a good way.
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Phoenix IV
Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[292]
CCP is hopeless, the important questions were ignored again. It's a shame. |
Zirator
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:19:00 -
[293]
Seriously CCP, a very big part of the users that put bread on your table are mildly put angry with you because they are under the impression ( rightly so imho ) that you have given them the finger.
A blog was promised and I personaly had my hopes up, but not only do you give us another finger to go with it. No you poke them in our eyes while kicking us in the groin and laughing straight in our faces.
This blog is a joke and if you don't see it for yourselves I only have on thing to say:
"Shame on you!"
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HyperZerg
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[294]
People don't want MT and subscribtions fees. You tell us you add more expansive stuff...erm...
Also, your internal dokument are just the ideas your developers are implementing, that has nothing to do what you will do ... erm...
Conclusions:
You are really stupid or You think we are really stupid or You want to destroy the game
Btw, the problem is, we want a sandbox. You want to do a cash-shop in it. Then it's no sanbox anymore.
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[295]
To be frank, I am amazed this page loaded. Zulu should be along shortly if he's not already here. ____________o7 CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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Dragan Moonraker
Rheinbraun Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[296]
Quote: While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
Their opinions are worthy of this ****storm. I'm sorry. The whole sarcastic newsletter seems to underline that CCP has forgotten who pays their checks. Players DID NOT ASK for microtransactions. Players DID NOT ASK for Aurum. But we got it anyways. Of all the MMO's that needed microtransactions EVE needed it like a hole in the head.
I realize that after the angry element leaves, you may manage to lure enough new players interested in monocles and virtual clothing stores to keep making money, I wish you luck. Because from where I stand, this looks allot like what SOE did with Star Wars Galaxies. EVE is not LoTR, EVE is not DDO, EVE is not Allods Online, and you're fools if you think it's players want the same things.
You may laugh on the way to the bank, but not with my $15.
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Casanunda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[297]
What a complete and utter pile of steaming horse manure. Someone at CCP seriously needs to pull their head from their arse and realise that a significant proportion of players are extremely annoyed that they are being ignored and condescended to.
$1000 jeans? what frigging planet are they living on? I won't spend that on a damn car let alone a pair of jeans (unless they can carry me home whilst extremely drunk and spawn nymphomaniacs on demand)
I've already unsubbed both my accounts and with that pathetic excuse for a blog CCP can go and take a flying **** at the moon if they want my hard earned cash in their pocket.
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Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[298]
So.. this blog explains a bit about the Newsletter.. thats good.. and yeah.. MT is something that needs to be talked about. This what happens when you pull something out of its context.. we are not in the loop about CCP internal dialog.. and now we see this and we go all ape **** on it..
But I'm afraid it wont help.. i was in the mass-protest channel and ppl are not listing.. they already made up their mind..
If you love this game.. then calm down and let CCP have a couple of days to process your rage.. they already said that this nothing they are thinking about right now.. and you only have their word on it.. lets just take one step back everyone and lets open up a dialog.. or we wont come anywhere.. and if ppl keep jamming up Jita and Amarr.. i say ban them all..or use game masters to blow them all up. CCP are aware of your rage.. now let them work their brains on howto solve it. Jaming up Jita and Amarr or whatever like a ****** wont get us anywhere.
But this new store is way out priced.. even CCP have to see that.. |
The Marketer
Secure IT
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Grog Drinker Where the hell are the answers to the questions that have been asked continually for 48 hours?
Simple, no response to hundreds pages of complaints is a clear response. Be prepared to a new way of shopping in Eve.
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Wooker Tosk
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[300]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
I have never seen anyone take so long to write so many words and say so very very little.
If anything this response proves that the individuals you feel are being unfairly criticized deserve every single comment they've received.
CCP you are well and truly out of touch with the people that love your product. HTFU admit you were wrong and set a new course before you run a ground.
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Fritza Zenti
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[301]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Really, you take all this time and that's all you got, you answered nothing you addressed nothing. Your game is burning in front of you CCP and you just threw gas on the flames.
Also -1 sub
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E'lisha
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Why even bother, CCP? Why not just tell us to GO **** OURSELVES?
That's exactly you CCP make me feel! I'm speechless.....
The whole gaming community will laugh at you!
[irons] SONY will be very happy to have such a professional partner like you! [/ironc]
-2 subs
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Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[303]
So basically ignoring any important question that you invited the player base to ask you in a thread created by your own PR department. Good one. |
ZyndeII
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[304]
CCP Zulu,
First off, I understand where you are coming from. You are trying to justify the acts, suggestions and ideas of your coworkers and try to thereby save the situation. But at this point, I'm afraid it's not going to happen anymore. People don't expect justifications anymore, nor do they want to read a blog post that contains nothing but mumble jumble about an issue that shouldn't even be discussed. We, the people, have spoken. Some guys did their job and released an article about some brainfart, but you really shouldn't try milking your "golden goose" even more. You've got a good thing going here, so don't ruin a great game just because of greed.
That being said, why don't you just bite the bullet and admit that the ideas described in that newsletter were in fact quite moronic, and even though YOU guys might like it, WE don't, and you'll therefor drop the idea completely.
Thanks.
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He11sing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[305]
So its just big fu ok then i f**** you with -2 accounts.
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Dach Starwind
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[306]
This blog entry is insulting... Im starting to hate CCP people...
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Ayamiko X
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[307]
CCP Zulu, you are an idiot. $1000 pair of jeans? What are you smoking? F*** $50 for a pair of jeans is pricey, and they are real items... NOT FAKE INTERNETZ SPACESHIP MONOCLES.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:20:00 -
[308]
Waaaah. Cry and ***** some more, people.
This devblog says pretty much what I've been saying all along. The document in question was little more than a brainstorming session put into writing. While there's things there I disagree with, you people seriously need to pull your collective heads out of your asses, or shove them far enough in that you can't talk out of them anymore. You're pulling out tiny little tidbits from a brainstorming session and crying and whining about them, while blowing them way out of proportion.
I hope they quadruple the cost of Aurum items so the vain pricks who buy them will look like the magnificent wastes of oxyen they are, wasting real life money on virtual vanity items instead of something beneficial.
There are real issues to be concerned and maybe even irate about in Eve. This ****? Not it.
All expansions in Eve have needed tweaking and patching until they work fine on all systems. All expansions in Eve featuring new stuff(tm) have required balancing over time until they work as they should. Why the hell do you insane ******s think Incarna of all things wouldn't require the same? You guys seriously need to relax and have some freakin' patience.
We all have legitimate issues we can point to and ask CCP to focus on. Balance supercaps. Finish FW and all the other half-finished features added to the game. Return live events and work on them some more. Un**** the sound-engine until it stops derping halfway through an engagement. Fix the performance issues some people have with CQ. Make CQ activated with a button present in the normal ship-spinning mode.
Add another hundred things, depending on who you talk to. All legitimate, all things worthy of taking notice of...
And yet... what creates an uproar of epic stupidity and *****ing... an internal pdf that is for all intents and purposes just a brainstorming session of the 'what if...?' variety, and the cost of a ****ing monocle.
If I were to throw my toys out of the pram and quit Eve at this point, it sure as hell wouldn't be because of CCP. It would be because of how ashamed I am of my fellow players who really need to sit down, shut the **** up, then think for a ****ing minute. You're seriously *****ing your way into a freakin' frenzy over nothing.
To any CCP employees/leaders/whatever that may read this: You and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things when it comes to gameplay, storyline and roleplaying in Eve Online. CQ is proof of that. Still... I thank you for still providing a better MMO and game than all those other MMO devs out there, and I'm still here as a paying customer that still trusts you to listen to the community and then make your own decisions. The right ones. You'll never please everyone, and you haven't always pleased me... but I trust that you are still making decisions with the intent to make Eve as good as you can. (Making unprobable mission runners cry in their bowl of waaaah made my ****ing year, for instance.)
Whether I agree with those decisions or not... you're still way within the boundaries. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
And for ****'s sake, make CQ activated by a button in the normal ship-spinning screen.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[309]
If you introduce superior gear for sale for aurum it will become the new baseline for success, and ruin EVE Online.
CCP needs to commit as a company to not converting to a "pay to win" game model. Especially on top of already charging subscriptions. Anything else will not assuage us.
I don't know if the community as a whole can even accept non-vanity items at this point. Even if the current CCP staff commit to not adopting a "pay to win" model, the next people that have the job may feel differently. Stay away from the slippery slope.
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Sundered Hope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[310]
Swing and a miss...
People aren't ****ed aobut the cost of monacles...
Eve gameplay is all based on self regulating markets, and fairness between players.
What everyone is ****ed at is the concept of people being able to pay real money and gaining an advtantage.
This could potentially destroy the game for everyone who does not purchase items.
Haven't you paid any attention to what has happened to other games which introduced balance related microtransactions?
Correct me if im wrong, but you stated in the past that you would never introduce microtransactions correct?
Finally, people are SUPER ****ED about you pathetic responses... we aren't stupid... trying to pretend we are isn't helping your case.
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John Caesse
Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[311]
Quote: smooth and successful
In what world is inciting anger in large percentage of your client base smooth or successful.
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Nac MacFeegle
Argyll Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[312]
Incredible. Nothing but a plastic face and a soulless smile spouting marketing drivel. No answers to anything.
Subscriptions are cancelled. No, you can't have my stuff.
Time to write my own internet spaceships...
-- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[313]
Originally by: CCP Zulu I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
No, you have not addressed any concerns or cleared up any of our issues:
Will CCP be introducing MTs for non-vanity items? What are CCP doing about CQ performance / GFX card overheating? What is happening for the $99 licence? When will CQ be optional? Why are MT vanity items not destroyed when the wearer is podded?
This blog was a ****ing waste of time and didn't even touch on the core issues. Prepare for another threadnaught.
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Voxix Kastlov
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[314]
I wasn't angry before that devpost, I was actually calm and collected as frankly I'm not too effected by this expansion despite my distaste for the micro-transaction format. Now I'm livid. How dare you address the concerns of thousands of people with smug humour and words which lack any substance after they've waited for days for a proper responce. You actually make me sick CCP. I wish you nothing but misfortune for the rest of time.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[315]
I am genuinely insulted.
WILL YOU SELL IN GAME ADVANTAGE OR NOT?
I can't ****ing believe I spent so much time caring. Your company is a joke
***** Signature may appear without warning! ***** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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NeoNexus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[316]
This seems to be the case:
We misjudged the expansion totaly, We should be shamefull that we react to the greed paper An the NeX prices is fair and square.
Never has it been clearer that you don't give a damn about the community, that pays your salary. This is the most epic fail I ever seen in communication. You don't **** the bed you have to sleep in.
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Coarl
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[317]
Seriously, 72 hours of sustained rage on the forums, the playerbase in open revolt in new eden locking down trade hubs RIGHT NOW, and this is the best you can do?
Jesus wept.
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Madcapnl
The Rising Stars -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[318]
Hmm, succesful expansion? --> play your own game CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelings)
Hmm, gorgeous? --> for 2006 graphics yes, look at your own game CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelings)
Hmm, fearless? --> totally agree there, it takes balls to release a crappy dev blog like this while Eve is on fire (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelings)
Hmm, it's just opinions --> yes, the problem is the opinions we loath are implemented in Eve by CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelings)
Hmm, pricing structure --> are you for real CCP? Lost for words here if people at CCP actually think that to be true. (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelings)
Hmm, addressing issues --> maybe log into your own game and read local in trade hubs, CCP? Most lines are something along the lines of "NO MT CCP" and lo and behold, thats the issue NOT addressed in this devblog. (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelings)
** no CCP employees were hurt or attacked personally or professionally during the making of this post
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Butter Dog
Gallente BUTTER DOG SERIOUS CORP.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
NO YOU HAVE ADDRESS NOTHING. YOU DUMB ****.
do i need bigger letters or smaller words to get it through your quite clearly ******ed brain.
its not about the ****ing price of the MT shop!!
CQ breaks teh game experiance of nearly everyone i know in game. WE TOLD YOU!!!
MT for none vanity items, you said woudlnt be implemented. YOU LIED!!!
now do you understand my ****ing concern's
maybe you should just end it all, you sound pretty angry, life may not actually be worth living.....
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~bitter dog~
etc |
Laserham Lincoln
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[320]
You completely missed the point, and it's extremely frustrating that it took you so long to reply. I thought the community people were relaying our concerns?
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Zanetia
Gallente The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[321]
YOU. HAVE. GOT. TO. BE. ****TING. ME.
You've had most of two days and that's the best you could could come up with?
Quote: "We didn't mean it. We were 'exaggerating. srsly!"
Which on it's own is laughable enough, but then you follow it up with
Quote: Well real-world designers can charge you $1000 for a pair of jeans so we can charge you $70 for some imaginary pixels in your eye.
And you manage to totally side-step the issue of whether you have plans to start selling in-game advantages for cash? Staggering. Really, it's just totally ****ing staggering.
I look forward to see how you try to spin the next ****storm you just created with that ****ing blog
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Stenner
x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[322]
Way to answer NONE of our concerns. Fail communication is fail.
You need to right now promise that the ******ed views of your lead game designer when it comes to MT will NEVER influence your game.
I don't care if you give us bull**** about this being "the private views of ccp employees." It's your goddamn LEAD GAME DESIGNER stating this ****.
TL;DR: Fire your communication advisors.
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Nikki West
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[323]
-3 accounts.
You have destroyed everything you built. ---
Free LIANG, Free HELICITY |
GKO
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[324]
is this a ****ing joke? seriously? this is what took you 2 days? Can someone confirm that this is not a ****ing joke?
There is one simple question and you fail to answer that? This is my first post since the famous door thread, but this DevBlog is an insult. Just tell us when the new MT items influencing the game will arrive. Yeah you forgot to put in that date.
Try writing a Devblog with actual answers to our questions. Next.
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SARPIDON
Malum.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:21:00 -
[325]
That excuse for a DevBlog represents everything that is wrong with CCP right now. The arrogance and detachment from the core issues is mind blowing.
The author is either stupid or hasn't been briefed properly. Either way GG CCP. You're now in structure.
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Sophia Rundal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[326]
Edited by: Sophia Rundal on 24/06/2011 21:23:42 Seriously? This BULL**** is what you call "addressing Player issues"?
CCP, the only reason for all this stuff has to be, that you want to completely replace you customer base. Well, as far as I'm concered, you just achieved you goal. I just un-subbed my two accounts.
It's not about you not having a clue what Players want, its about you not WANTING to have a clue what Players want.
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Chandler Urandom
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[327]
Couple if things... How distanced is currently CCP employees from the community when one would come to believe that dev blog would clear up anything?
Secondly, "what u smokin' brah?"
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?
People wear hyped up **** as a sign of status, and as a final result - in order to get laid. In real life, one can get laid from a billion dollar monocle; people look at it and know this guy has his **** sorted. In-game, however, no one will get laid because of pixel clothes; no one will be looked upon in awe. People will go, "Bwahah, look at this jackass".
At last I'd like to say this: The only thing worse than doing nothing, is doing something which serves no purpose and think you're doing something useful. This dev blog answered none of the important questions, and was simply filled with excuses and castles in the sky. Please, don't **** on our backs and tell us it's just a rainy day.
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Atock
Caldari Paradise Team
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[328]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Hmm actually it cleared up a thing for me.... just hit unsubb.. 1 month playtime remaining, maybe there is still some hope that CCP will get in touch with reality until then.
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Ceq Lysander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[329]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Tipsy
Gallente X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[330]
Some people's reaction to the events of the last few days has been completely disproportionate, but your blog shouldn't have been directed at those people as it seems it was.
I don't think you've handled this very well. Telling us it's one your more smooth and successful expansions is like waving a red rag to a Reykjavik-sized field of bulls. If the people reading your blog thought Incarna was one of your more successful expansions you wouldn't need to tell us.
- You need to address the issue of thousands of people who can't or don't want to use Captain's Quarters being forced to look at a dark, static backdrop.
- You would have benefited from making it explicit that CCP's policy on microtransactions has not changed (though I agree with what you did write).
- You didn't address the gap between people's expectations of NeX and how it has started. Some nod to "we should've given people a little warning" might have stopped some of the rage.
There are legitimate concerns you haven't addressed and your blog isn't going to cut it. I wouldn't want to be working for your Community team right now. At least they're not going to be short of work...
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TooNu
Caldari Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[331]
Is this devblog serious? Was it thought about before being written? CCP, Zulu and pann, you're a bunch of fannies. |
ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[332]
I got two words for you ccp, and they start with a F and a Y.
-3 accounts, and this one will expire in a few days as well.
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[333]
So let me get this straight, you decided it was a good idea to have a theoretical discussion about whether or not to lie to and exploit your loyal customers. FAIL - no company that loved its loyal customers would even contemplate a discussion like that - good companyies value their customers and customer loyalty over all things. Apart from one notable dissenting voice (the mighty Turbefield) it seems all your other employees and the management were in favour of the shaft. Therefore the resuly of that little excercise was surely that we shoud get the shaft??
I think Mittani is right, whatever you guys have been doing up there in Iceland has utterly divorced you from any concept of right and wrong. If I was an investor I'd be pulling my money now, you appear to be a bunch of drug addled, power crazed lunatics. Your company is heading toward dangerous waters.
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HoboWithAShip
They That Are
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[334]
Originally by: CCP Manifest To be frank, I am amazed this page loaded. Zulu should be along shortly if he's not already here.
He damn well better.
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Richtor Mettle
Cryptic Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[335]
This sums up my feelings on the matter. Such a shame...
This might be a signature, but can you be sure? |
Ryas Nia
Minmatar Veto.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[336]
I dont see... we lied I dont see... were sorry I dont see... we wont charge for services and game breaking mechanics
I dont see me playing anymore once my sub has expired. I already canceled, I am just a "freeloading spectator" now.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[337]
CCP, if this devblog is all you have to offer, then this is the way EVE will go :
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=1220357
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Incarna |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Larik Olen 'I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having'
You didn't. Not a single one. This is simply the most arrogant, useless response you could possibly have come up with.
We will never trust you after this. Never again.
QFT
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[339]
Edited by: General Xenophon on 24/06/2011 21:32:48 Edited by: General Xenophon on 24/06/2011 21:27:37
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
-edited angry response post-
You know I think you deserve an angry response here, but since you don't listen to your playerbase anyway it doesn't matter.
Goodbye for now CCP. Maybe when you fix things we'll return. o7 to those of you in CCP who did care not to turn Eve into a failboat.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Yldrad Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 21:06:44 Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 21:01:36 Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 21:00:21 Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 20:57:01 Damned !
This DevBlog is pointless.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
No. In what alternative world are you living?
Real life comparaison is wrong at so many level...
Actually its a perfect comparison. It's money, regardless of what form it takes. The comparison is fine.
The only thing I'm upset about with this, is that he didn't address the issue of incarna being forced, rather than optional like they've said for 4 years.
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Addrake
Minmatar Brothers At Arms
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[341]
Guy wearing a 3 dollar Wal-Mart T-shirt checking in..
I don't give two ****s about expensive NeX vanity items, I care if it's going to give people an in game advantage/take actual players out of the item production cycle. There should be NO DEBATE about MT items that give a player an in game advantage.. you PROMISED us ages ago that this would not be inserted into the game.. and yet you debate it quietly behind closed doors, willing to say 'screw you' to the people who kept their subs active despite the talk of MT bull**** a year ago.
You sir, and your company, are one classy act.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[342]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
I am afraid you did not.
Speaking for myself, I am largely enjoying the recent expansion. The new turrets are awesome, and while the CQ do not offer much right now I like that it adds to the immersion, it has great potential.
I do not personally care about the NeX shop, I dont really oppose it but agree with many that the price structure is a bit steep. You have addressed this point, and while I dont really agree with your view that is good enough explanation for me. Possibly adding cheaper items at some point, fair enough.
However:
The one thing that really does worry me has not been addressed at all. It is the same question that has been posted all over this huge threadnaught in GD, in giant yellow letters:
Will there be MT for anything else than vanity items, specifically for anything that does impact actual gameplay?
This is the one question the community really needed you to answer, everything else (and I think most of my fellow players agree here) we can live with.
Frankly, the lack of even the slightest hint of a comment on this does worry me a lot.
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PsyBlade
Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[343]
Quote: launch of incarna BS
Sorry, most of us don't want just one CQ, should have gotten us more then just a minnie CQ. Yeah it went smooth, with gd knows how much delay that screwed us EU players over. Sorry, there are smoother launches.
Quote: Fearless CCP Zulu talks about fearless and more BS...
The fact something like this has leaked should already make you wonder about how your own employees think or feel, no disrespect to them. Also the moment it was leaked forum threads started to pop up and yet you hardly responded and actually had to call Pann and have her make a parley post, days after it was posted. This is something that cannot happen or be done and you and the rest of the crew should be ashamed it has come to this.
It's uncalled for for any company to keep their memberbase in the dark this long or wait for so long with a response. Even tho alot of eve players hate the Blizzard and their themepark MMO, they are more forthcoming then CCP.
Don't keep your fanbase in the dark, you are losing subs most likely because of all of this and you can only blame yourself for it, lack of communication...
Quote: CCP Zulu talks about NEX Pricing and claiming we should compare it to IRL prices...
You are sorely mistaken, you think it's okay to go for a $60 monocle and compare it to real life? are you this far removed from reality? sorry to say it but you need to rethink your pricing structure (and maybe talk to some other companies who are doing the same, NCSoft, Blizzard to name a few. They are doing vanity items for a cheaper price and altough still maybe expensive it's working for them.
$60 for a Monocle, never in my life will I pay for it, be it by isk, Aurum or normal cash, never!
Rethink it, asap. ---
"Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War |
Rutkov
Caldari Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[344]
Wow, what an incredibly well crafted blog. Sadly, it does nothing for me.
After reading that newsletter, it became perfectly clear what your intentions are. I spend plenty of RM buying plex so I can purchase something in game quicker than having to grind away to earn the isk... which I do as well.
But now it's obvious why you did something like take away my ability to store my fittings on my computer. You wanted me to pay you MORE for that privilege. That's the difference in my eyes. I don't HAVE to buy plex to achieve the objectives I want to in EVE. I choose to sometimes. You are going to try and FORCE me to buy more space so I can store my 200+ fittings.
I think I'll ride ouy my remaining annual subscription then call it done. I also just bought a PS3 last week so I'd be ready for Dust. What a waste.
And dont use the word ****STORM when posting a blog I'm going to read. I dont speak to you that way.
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Prados
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[345]
Without a doubt my following point has been made by countless others. Nonetheless, as a person with three active accounts, a beta participant and someone who regularly espouses to other gamers (and non-gamers for that matter) about the EvE sandbox, in particular the complex economy, I am sad to say that this blog missed the key issue entirely.
I understand the hyperbole inherent to a document such as "Fearless" and applaud the approach as a method to examine an issue from all sides. I also know that in the past CCP has stated that they do not want players to be able to buy win. CCP also touts the player run economy as a major selling point. These are the issues I see as crucial to the way forward.
However, you failed to reassure your player / customer base that these remain tenants to which CCP is committed. I believe that if you can provide such assurance this shall close the matter. If you cannot provide such assurance, then the rage, protests, etc. will likely continue.
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Turkatron
United Mining And Distribution
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[346]
Edited by: Turkatron on 24/06/2011 21:27:44 Many others have already responded to the utter bull**** in this blog. So I will just make one comment.
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views." This is such bull**** CCP Zulu and you know it. If these were just opinions then you would not be towing the party line by making comments like this:
"Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit."
This statement is a reiteration of the delusional ideas in the "Fearless" newsletter talking about consumerism. Everything you people say suggests that the newsletter is an accurate portrail of CCP's new direction and not opinions that people were paid to make. Keep lieing through your teeth and see where it gets you.
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Xelest Czeres
Caldari Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[347]
...wut Oh noez! /o\ |
dreynerex
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[348]
To be fair the dev blog is worst insult you could have typed down to your comunity. 1Your expansion wasnt smooth and its extremely problematic 2You compare real life clothes/items with ingame ones price wise?Shows how greedy CCP is,arent 300k subscriptions enough for you? 3You lost touch with what you promised when EVE was released bout 8 years ago(Space simulator not Sims Online)
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[349]
Wow...this blog is completely worthless...
You guys really think so high of yourselves?
I think its time to unsubscribe my accounts...
CCP is doomed.
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Darksiri Onzo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[350]
A wild CCP appears.
CCP uses Pay2Win.
Pay2Win was ineffective.
Playerbase uses CancelSubscription.
CancelSubscription was SUPER EFFECTIVE!
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Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[351]
Quote: which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions.
You gotta be joking! And even if technically true that's nothing more than stating "I have syphilis, the best of the venereal diseases!".
Quote: Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics.
...
They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
Not in a million years do I believe that, if the lead designer has his sights set on MT that means it's going to happen because he wants it in or it's his view because the guys from upstairs told him that. Otherwise he's stayed quiet, so not for one second am I going to believe your "it was all exaggerated nonsense, honest!".
Apart from that, the FACT that a designer (lead designer no less) has these ridiculous ideas shows that he has no connection or understanding of what EVE really IS. He has lied to us and made us believe he's one of us... he's not, he's Judas.
Quote: While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter
If they are personal attacks then I agree to that, but they're not (for the most part). We are reacting to his professional opinions based on the fact that he is the lead designer meaning that we have to conclude that it's is already company policy or it's going to BE policy fairly soon. Otherwise he wouldn't voice (or even have) these ideas.
Quote: Pricing structure
Blahblahblahblah
No, utter nonsense. No one is buying it (literally).
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having
Again, no. No one is buying that either. What we want from you is clarity, for once be open and honest (I know it's difficult). ARE INGAME ADVANTAGES FOR MONEY GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 24 MONTHS YES OR NO. It's not really difficult now is it?
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[352]
This will not end well...
CCP Zulu , you proberly intend well.. but you failed horrible, This response took you 2 days ??
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Madcapnl
The Rising Stars -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[353]
Hmm, succesful expansion? --> play your own game CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelings)
Hmm, gorgeous? --> for 2006 graphics yes, look at your own game CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelings)
Hmm, fearless? --> totally agree there, it takes balls to release a crappy dev blog like this while Eve is on fire (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelings)
Hmm, it's just opinions --> yes, the problem is the opinions we loath are implemented in Eve by CCP (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelings)
Hmm, pricing structure --> are you for real CCP? Lost for words here if people at CCP actually think that to be true. (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt their feelings)
Hmm, addressing issues --> maybe log into your own game and read local in trade hubs, CCP? Most lines are something along the lines of "NO MT CCP" and lo and behold, thats the issue NOT addressed in this devblog. (not directed at any person in particular, because that will hurt thier feelings)
** no CCP employees were hurt or attacked personally or professionally during the making of this post
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Skopia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[354]
Here is what I got from the blog.
1)CCP likes the prices of the currently vanity items. In order for these items to be unique there must be high prices.
My response: There too high of a price even for unique items that are unique because there expensive. You have your prices set too high even too high for something that is intentionally too high.
2) The article is opinion and shouldn't been seen as representing ccp future plans.
My response: You didn't say yes or no to the concern of items being released which are more than vanity items.
So in short the current clothes prices are here to stay because we want them to be unique however there too high for items which are purposely set high so they are unique. Secondly the response to concerns about the article did not answer the major question "Are there going to be performance enhancing items which can be purchased threw real money with that being the only requirement". It seems to the me the response to the fearless article was purely damage control and circumvented questions.
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Aedeal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[355]
RMT on non game-affecting items, fine by me. Captain's quarters - EPIC work, but really should be an optional feature.
Ok, the cost on the items is WTF??? Especially on a destructable item, but that's not my decision and I don't plan on taking part.
What *I* for sure want is a statement, from CCP, regarding their future intent regarding game-affecting items and the NeX. And I want something CCP can be held to.
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Mamayev Kurgan You're kidding ... .48 hours for this?!?!
My god CCP is massively out of touch with what has been happening.
CCP Fails .. AGAIN!
48 hours to write that?
I could have chiseled the same words into a stone tablet in that amount of time.
Coincidentally that is the only way those words could carry any weight with me - the weight of the stone tablet itself. The words are utter garbage.
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Mr Plack
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[357]
Edited by: Mr Plack on 24/06/2011 21:32:51 Ok, I'll really try and contain my rage... In truth I'm about ready to scream and tear up a few telephone books...
Dear Zulu,
Thanks for the Dev Blog. We have all been waiting and were very interested to see what you'd come up with.
I'm sorry to say that you have, once again, fallen way short of my expectations.
In essence your blog is telling me two thing:
a) You do not in any way shape or form distance yourself from the idea of selling game changing items/services for RL money in the future. This is one of our main concerns and quite frankly was the reason I cancelled my subscriptions until you give us a clear answer on this.
b) You think the prices in the store are fine and we're all just whiners. "You spend 1000$ on a pair of pants in real life so why not 70$ on a monocle in EVE?" ... That is basically what you're saying isn't it? And you don't stop there, you even admit that you'll be offering even more insanely overpriced items in the future.
It's like the company I always trusted and respected suddenly was replaced over night...
And all you would have had to do to avert this disaster would have been to listen to the people that have been supporting you for the past 6, 7, 8 years instead of listening to whoever is coming up with these brilliant ideas.
A profoundly sad, Mr Plack
PS. A short word on us attacking your employees:
I admit that I may have been overly harsh here and there and for that I am truly sorry. It's just that this game means so much to me (probably more then I'd care to admit hehe) and I am seriously worried about it due to the changes that were leaked and you now in no way denied. Anyway, just because someone is "doing their job" does not mean that I'm comfortable with them being in important positions when they are in truth harboring such fundamentally harmful ideas and visions for the game that I love. In my opinion they did not "get it" and don't belong in said positions.
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arcyaxiom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[358]
This devblog was a blatant insult .. I can't believe how ****ing insane you guys are. What happened to you CCP? That's four accounts from me you wont see a penny from in future with **** like this going on.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[359]
Summary:
- We are being sooo unfair with poor lil' CCP employees after learning they were asked to discuss how to spoil the game - Everything is sooo OK with the prices at NEx that nothing is going to be done with them
And that's all. Nothing will be done because everything is A-OK.
I am feeling scammed. I have paid for the development of some silly clothes, now I can't use them without resourcing to ilegal means of gathering ISK as, being serious, I will not grind missions for 2 months to get a skirt, a blouse and a pair of boots. No way.
And I just paid for 6 months of subscription of my alt account last May...
I can't express my feelings in English.
Lo habTis jodido, tfos. Lo habTis jodido bien jodido.
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente Hermes Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[360]
Edited by: SlayerOfArgus on 24/06/2011 21:27:21 This was probably one of the most pointless blogs ever! No pertinent issues were discussed in the slightest.
You cannot compare real life clothing prices to pixel prices. It's idiotic. The prices are ridiculous at the moment and you can't honestly expect enough people to buy it right now. It would have been better if you made prices for them to be about 1$ for a monocle, 2$ for a repaint of a ship. Prices like that are much more normal and you would reap a lot more benefit from it because people WOULD ACTUALLY BUY THEM.
If you want to go ahead and say that they were making up stuff and thinking in extremes because that is their job then they need to be doing a different job. That sort of thinking only leads to people possibly getting the wrong message.
Why have you lied to us? Multiple times in the past you have said there was no plan for MT for non-vanity and yet many people have "floated" the idea around. That is unacceptable.
This devblog seems to be a huge "**** you". Well many people are quitting, myself included. You are losing customers by the minute. And yes they may come back but this moment is a fork in the road for you CCP. You must decide what you care about. Money or your customers (customers who have been with you for years, and have dealt with a lot of **** with you).
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Tatiana Valenko
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:23:00 -
[361]
CCP Zulu based on that fail blog i have decided not to renew my 2 accounts when their game times expire.
Your blog utterly failed and my decision to stop playing EVE is upon your shoulders, hope your boss read this!
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Bob TheSecond
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[362]
Still missed the real issue I'm concerned about. Will "pay to win" items be sold in the NeX store? ie. Faction Standings, faction modules/ammo/ships etc.
Yes, I understand the point of the newsletter was spitballing ideas and starting discussions, however the issue of "pay to win" items has still not been addressed.
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[363]
Basically what's in the Dev blog...
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Khorkrak
Gallente Solacarium
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[364]
Hubris
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Cage Shadownsun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[365]
Okay, I'm done trying to be civil and calm and level-headed in my responses. We only want one question answered.
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Can you do that? I asked nicely the first time. Now I'm frustrated.
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Rer Eirikr
Gallente Clearly Compensating Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[366]
My last post applies even more now. Dear god CCP, I don't even.
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Shosuro Ayame
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[367]
CCP, as everyone's been saying. You missed the point. You've betrayed the community's trust. That isn't going to get you loyal players. They'll tell their friends that Eve isn't worth playing and it'll go on and on.
Words can cut deep.
In this case. Your wallets. Is it really worth it? Ask yourselves that. Comparing virtual items in Eve to $1,000 jeans. You're cracked outta your skulls. Think about the community. They're geeks. Sure, we spend money on collectibles, but that's something physical we can hold and look at every day without having to switch on a computer. None of us are stupid enough to say "Oh, hey, $60 for a monocle for my virtual avatar! Sure, I'll do that!" If you think that's not true, well, go ahead, keep telling yourselves that. You'll have a game, but no subscribers. Let's see who wins this little virtual hissy fit.
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Kara Royer
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[368]
They've got balls, you've got to give them that. They are basically adressing none of the concerns knowing that they will lose massive amounts of players. I guess they think they will compensate with an influx of new players and hope to attract them with macrotransations...
Or they are just mad.
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CEOcat
Gallente CAT Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[369]
This was probably the most pointless CCP response yet including some rather ill places sarcastic one-liners.
This doesn't answer anything at all.
What are your intentions with MT in EVE? How far will you go? I hate that it exists at all but since at this time there are no serious competitors to EVE I can live with vanity items. If you ever where to introduce a game play affecting item in the NeX store I would however leave instantly. It would be good to know if you intend that now already so I can just go out and shoot away my ISK right now instead.
How overextended is CCP Games with WoD and Dust? It seemed you have reached way to far and now you have to trash EVE to make your liquidity...
Maybe that economist you have employed can tell you this too. There is a finite limit to how much profit you can divert from a product.
You see the more money you take in profit or re-invest in other products the easier it gets for someone else to make a better version of that product. Since they don't actually have to be more innovative then you to be better, all they need to do is not divert there earnings to other projects but re-invest a few percent more in the project and they will have a better product then you.
That EVE doesn't have direct competition now does not mean it will always be like that. Also if you expand MT you yourself have changed to put it in direct competition with MMOs that have alot more resources then EVE, you do not want to compete with those.
Stay in the ALL-INCLUSIVE subscription sandbox category for the future of EVE.
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Tyberious Rex
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[370]
Grabbing my popcorn to watch this mega-threadtitan spew forth even faster then the other thread! You told us nothing we already didn't know. CCP Zulu, you did not answer our big question. Why not? I will hazard a guess... MT for non vanity items is coming and there is nothing we can do to stop it except to unsub and not pay you to play anymore.
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Toman Torax
Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[371]
That's your response to this ridiculous mess? Really? Well, it's been fun, guys. I will truly miss this game that I have loved for the past 5+ years. Shame it had to end like this. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[372]
That Dev Blog is complete bull**** - you have not addressed any of the issue WE have asked you too, you have simply rattled off corporate PR and avoided the point by answering when you want to hear.
Please READ the threadnaught and look at the massive list of various issues (The majority of which you have chosen to ignore) and provide us with your responses to those!
You have ignored:
- CCP corporate direction
- EVE design direction
- Lack of communication
- Ship Spinning
- CQ Opt Out
- CQ Performance
- CQ Incompleteness
- CQ Uselessness (Seriously, it does NOTHING)
- Community not wanting MT, at all
- MT only for vanity items
Don't treat us like idiots, please show us a tiny bit of respect, if you expect us to have any for you? __________________________
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[373]
Quote: "The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."
I think people just don't believe you when you say that, with the respect to the exaggerated stand. I think the players thing those individuals just wrote THEIR stand on the topic, and that's what the players are reacting to. After reading the Glassdoor Review of CCP by Employees it makes this 'dev blog' look disingenuous.
Quote: "While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter."
This I can agree with, I guess. Who can be called out though? Anyone? Who's running your show, CCP?
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
This sounds like the speech made for CCPs directors/shareholders. It's conceptual rhetoric. I feel like this was taken from the alluded to speech with "players will pay a lot of RL dollars for this. They are hooked on the game now we can really milk them!" redacted. You aren't going to win a lot of hearts and minds with this drivel.
So... I'm not one of the "rage quitters". I didn't care about Incarna that much, one way or the other, and I don't care about MT as long as it's never going to affect game play. For me, this was just an empty and lame expansion with a new record of unpolished / incomplete features. Whatever. At least I don't get stuck in gates anymore . This dev blog I've quoted above it a really lame piece of writing though. It demonstrates that CCP really doesn't "get it", as so many have stated. I didn't agree with that statement until today... but man there is a really clear disconnect in that zulu blog. Like I said... not quitting or threatening or raging. I'm just watching... and tentatively looking around at what games are out atm and what's coming out in the future. I'm just contingency planning I guess.
Thanks for the awesome game CCP. It really is the best one out there, I think. I really hope you don't destroy it.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[374]
I'm in-game rich, loaded, I got plenty of ISK.
Yet for some reason looking at the monocle pricing makes me feel like a poor RL student eyeing the $1000 pants, and there is the disconnect. At what point does CCP think an EVE player is rich enough to buy all the monocles and skirts?
There's very few multi-trillionairs in EVE...
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Simplus Massive
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[375]
You have got to be kidding me, what a totally useless devblog. Senior Producer of EVE Online? And the attitude? Well, goodbye then you greedy shoitfaces.
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He11sing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[376]
hope eve just burns now
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[377]
You guys really don't have a clue, don't you ?
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Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[378]
Well at least the DAY LONG MEETING wasnt a total waste... oh wait, nevermind...
Also, i dont need to worry about CCP ****ing up dust, cause if this is what they call damage control, they wont be able to afford the ps3 devkit.
**** you CCP, you answered nothing and just made your PR **** storm 10 times worse.
Hope you enjoy the next week of bad PR on every gaming site, but dont worry, you have those gaming awards to protect you, AMIRIGHT!?
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[379]
It was a good run while it lasted. Good luck, EVE players of the past and present. o7
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[380]
You could have just posted goatse.
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[381]
Well at leas the blog answers one of the questions.
PAY-TO-WIN WILL BE COMING SOON TO EVE.
The simple fact that Zulu deliberately ignored it is as good as a confirmation.
I hope the few who continuing playing this game will enjoy their $1000 cash-shop only super-ships and their gold ammunition.
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Akasun
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:24:00 -
[382]
Given the shocking lack of comprehension displayed in this blog post, I can only hope that it isn't the only response to players' concerns.
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Svennig
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[383]
Edited by: Svennig on 24/06/2011 21:31:38 Are CCP people mentally damaged????
What on earth is the point of this dev blog? Apart from to prove everyones point that you dont, in any tiny way, listen to players at all. You addressed (and failed to do that) only a singly, tiny aspect of one small section of the multitude of varied, significant complaints that were identified by the player base. And this took you a day? What did you do, type it with your *****?
And, you'll notice, it contains no denial of future plans for non-vanity aurum items. It's another "**** you, we're doing it anyway" post.
Not good enough. You guys are so ******ed, what the **** is wrong with you.
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[384]
NO, NO, NO... a thousand times NO! Unacceptable response.
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Fantome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[385]
"which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous" : so gorgeous than i'm playing with CQ disabled .
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Jaison Savrin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[386]
I personally do not feel that this blog addressed any of the important concerns.
Will people be able to buy an in-game advantage with AUR?
That is the only question that I, personally, feel is important and it was not even hinted at in the blog. I like the Captain's Quarters (Although I would prefer it run smoother when I have multiple clients open) and I am unconcerned with vanity items for AUR. However, if AUR can effect the effectiveness of people and make them better than people who can not afford AUR. Well, that is not acceptable and even though I could probably afford said items. I would never buy them.
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Ira Infernus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[387]
What the hell is this.
2 years of my free time? wasted. haha.
Well, here we go; I will be letting my main, and my current two active alts accounts expire.
Ontop of this, I will not be reactivating my other accounts when I have been promoted in my job and will have more free time.
In total thats 6 accounts gone for you ccp. average it at, what, $20 a month per account, thats $120 a month gone for you guys
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Smoke Adian
Caldari League of Gentlemen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[388]
Edited by: Smoke Adian on 24/06/2011 21:29:49 HOLY **** - this is the first time that I've really felt you guys have gone off the deep end.
You didn't answer anything regarding the lies about MT not affecting gameplay when clearly it is being considered by your leading people.
You made no attempt to correct anything such as simply saying "no worries, we'll make the ship spinning screen an option again." I mean, that alone would have been such an easy solution to a lot of rage.
I've been upset at patch deployments many times before, but this is the first time I just feel sad. Something fundamental has changed at CCP. The playerbase's opinions are inconsequential and based on that blog it is clear you'll continue to push through whatever changes you feel like. There was not a single compromise in that blog.
Now you guys have clammed up and chosen to engage us, your customers, in battle, all to defend a co-worker who is parading around an opinion we were promised CCP would never hold. Did you read the newsletter? He supports money for ammo, SHIPS, and more. Doesn't that worry you too?
I guess it goes, with out saying that I, like most of the people in this thread, will not be renewing my accounts. It was fun while it lasted.
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Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[389]
CCP, are you all on some amazing four year cycle of PR disasters?
Listen to your players. You have EVE. Where is DUST or WoD? Where is the community that has supported you for EIGHT YEARS on those titles?
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Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[390]
This is so true
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Waaaah. Cry and ***** some more, people.
This devblog says pretty much what I've been saying all along. The document in question was little more than a brainstorming session put into writing. While there's things there I disagree with, you people seriously need to pull your collective heads out of your asses, or shove them far enough in that you can't talk out of them anymore. You're pulling out tiny little tidbits from a brainstorming session and crying and whining about them, while blowing them way out of proportion.
I hope they quadruple the cost of Aurum items so the vain pricks who buy them will look like the magnificent wastes of oxyen they are, wasting real life money on virtual vanity items instead of something beneficial.
There are real issues to be concerned and maybe even irate about in Eve. This ****? Not it.
All expansions in Eve have needed tweaking and patching until they work fine on all systems. All expansions in Eve featuring new stuff(tm) have required balancing over time until they work as they should. Why the hell do you insane ******s think Incarna of all things wouldn't require the same? You guys seriously need to relax and have some freakin' patience.
We all have legitimate issues we can point to and ask CCP to focus on. Balance supercaps. Finish FW and all the other half-finished features added to the game. Return live events and work on them some more. Un**** the sound-engine until it stops derping halfway through an engagement. Fix the performance issues some people have with CQ. Make CQ activated with a button present in the normal ship-spinning mode.
Add another hundred things, depending on who you talk to. All legitimate, all things worthy of taking notice of...
And yet... what creates an uproar of epic stupidity and *****ing... an internal pdf that is for all intents and purposes just a brainstorming session of the 'what if...?' variety, and the cost of a ****ing monocle.
If I were to throw my toys out of the pram and quit Eve at this point, it sure as hell wouldn't be because of CCP. It would be because of how ashamed I am of my fellow players who really need to sit down, shut the **** up, then think for a ****ing minute. You're seriously *****ing your way into a freakin' frenzy over nothing.
To any CCP employees/leaders/whatever that may read this: You and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things when it comes to gameplay, storyline and roleplaying in Eve Online. CQ is proof of that. Still... I thank you for still providing a better MMO and game than all those other MMO devs out there, and I'm still here as a paying customer that still trusts you to listen to the community and then make your own decisions. The right ones. You'll never please everyone, and you haven't always pleased me... but I trust that you are still making decisions with the intent to make Eve as good as you can. (Making unprobable mission runners cry in their bowl of waaaah made my ****ing year, for instance.)
Whether I agree with those decisions or not... you're still way within the boundaries. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
And for ****'s sake, make CQ activated by a button in the normal ship-spinning screen.
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Marin Baator
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[391]
To say I was disappointed with this blog would be an understatement.
You've wasted an opportunity to allay the fears of your subscribers and regain their trust. I hope you get a second chance....
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Riithi Bashere
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[392]
Lot's of words no content in there. All you said we don't care about.
We care about the game and MT, which weren't addressed at all. There is only one post you can make. NO MT in EvE Everything else will NOT do.
2 accounts running but not planning to resub untill this **** is resolved.
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Gydion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[393]
I've played other mmo's in the past that have have vanity items and ive never bought a thing, and it never affected the game because of that decision, ive played EVE since beta pretty much and this is the first thing CCP have ever done that has ever made me question playing, if CCP turn around and say "vanity items only will be sold" thats not a big issue, anything more and forget it.
You talk about making more money by selling items that can give an ingame advantage over a person who cant afford those items is ridiculous.
Make more money? do this and you will lose a huge amount of the player base.
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RU Sirius
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[394]
You know what this reminds me of? Mubarak's speeches on Egyptian state TV where he completely missed the point and was behind the curve of the events taking place in the streets outside.
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Steve Ransom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:25:00 -
[395]
Now IF and this is a big stupid if, They allow Jovian Ships including Battleships and the rest on there. I will be all over that lol
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Velani Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous CCP you have lost your collective ****ing mind.
I'm out, -4 subs, bubye.
same here...
-4 subs (doing it right now)
This is very sad, very very sad...
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Captain Vayl You didn't address ANYTHING!!!
What the hell did you do with all the notes and quotes CCPFallout and Manifest have been gathering these last two days?! You disregarded anything that these poor bastards have had to sift through!!
Oh my god THIS!
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Kateryne
Minmatar Kat's Discount Weapon Emporium NISYN Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[398]
I'm sorry CCP, you've lost what little respect i had left for you. All i heard while reading that blog was "Don't whine at us, we're not in the wrong: shut up and give us money for pointless items that are extortionately priced and completely break the immersion of the setting we have built up over half a decade!"
RMT is bad, yes we know that. PLEX was a way to try and combat that, but adding in Aurum and micro-transactions doesn't work if you still have a subscription and at launch you have barely a handful of purchase micro-transaction items at prices that beggar belief. Oh and don't get me started on the Quafe shirts that us Fan Fest goers got - they are low-quality and the fact they are only usable in the character editor if you have them in your hangar at that station is... stupid at best.
Come on, either admit you want a crap-tonne of money from us and don't care about your rich and immersive game any more, or back-pedal and withdraw this rubbish you call an expansion. Give us a serious dev blog or don't bother. You got backed into a corner and know your laundry has been aired in public and it is dirrrrteeee!
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[399]
...that is the single worst devblog and/or apology I have ever read. You managed to pack in an impressive amount of arrogance and ignorance into a neat little package.
I'd been fairly neutral on this debate so far. Wasn't thrilled about Incarna but was looking forward to the winter expansion and didn't mind $70 monocles. But after reading that my opinion of your management team has really tanked. Please spend some more time reading the forum feedback and come back with a better response. It would be sad to see Eve sunk after all this history it has built up.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[400]
Seriusly..
You have to do better then that, try adressing the issue
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Crasniya
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[401]
As someone who has been accused of being a CCP alt several times so far for supporting CCP... I'm disappointed.
The expectation that $50 for a monocle is okay, is bad. A price reduction would in fact benefit them by increasing sales to an item that doesn't cost them anything to "manufacture".
And for the love of all that is good... higher price points?
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thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[402]
Dear CCP,
this is an open letter.
I as customer do feel misunderstood and not treated like a a loved paying subscriber to your service. I asked for a feedback on some issues which i feel are quite disturbing.
I care for this game, really. This _was_ the only option i had in the spaceship nichee of the mmo world. I love this idea but i feel as if only my cash matters and spaceships are getting less and less important.
I do not want walking or avatars. there are so many games featuring avatars and wgo shooting.
Why do i feel completly ignored ? Why do i feel as if none of our concerns was actually read ? Why do i feel as if i do not matter.
I'm a sad one now. I wanted to see a pasionate dev talking to me.
All i see at ccp is no more passion it is just give me your Ç
that is not the eve i loved. it is going a way i can not follow.
from a sad player cya in another world.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[403]
we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
really? i kinda think you earned it, reading that internal post kinda reminded me of the enron scandal. if you say something stupid on the internet expect it to bite you sooner or later, if you say something ina super secret corporate GREED thread you should expect it to drop a **** storm on your ass when it gets leaked end of story, you said things you didnt want ppl to see and some saw them and realized what a bunch of underhanded ****s you were for saying it and decided that we the player base (you know the people who pay your salary?) deserved to know that guy i wont **** talk, i hope the rest of you die in a fire.
on a public interest note to the players out there join the ingame channel MASS-PROTEST and kick CCP in the **** with the rest of us jita is almost usable again amarr... well not so much
[21:20:03] xxxxxxx xxxxxxx > get more to amarr friends alts, mother fathers.. that weird kid next store.. bring rage..
^^ x's are incase some dev decides to perma ban some more people for expressing their displeasure at his corporations greed and ineptitude
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Perramas
Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[404]
Ive heard of people committing suicide on the internet but I have never witnessed one.
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TheLastZmeul
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[405]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
you did not and by the look of things you will never do
keep the protes alive, don't back down
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:26:00 -
[406]
**** you to.
I will be canceling all three of my accounts, and recommending my friends to do the same. I trusted you, I supported you, hell I fought for you for three years, and this is how you treat me? I'm sorry, I'm not going to pay YOU money to **** me up the ass.
-Geek
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Wylin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[407]
CCP is failing hard at Damage Control, maybe you guys need a officer DCU.
Is CCP going to sell in-game items that will be used in combat, if the answer is yes then please let me know as my subs are coming up for renewal.
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[408]
Edited by: RC Denton on 24/06/2011 21:56:14 Edited by: RC Denton on 24/06/2011 21:52:17 Epic failure of a response. Pan had three issues that really had very little to do with the rage. You only sort of address two of them.
- Epic failure sir in addressing whether or not the NEX store will be used to sell game impacting items. Instead you write up a straw man argument and knock it down. And explaining it away with "well it's just clothes" shows (I assume willful since there's 170+ pages of discussion on the real reaons) a complete failure to understand what the problem as perceived by your customer base is and sidesteps the entire main issue
- The tone of this blog, like many of zulu's previous attempts to communicate with the community, shows a certain amount of contempt for the customer base. "It's just clothes" is so disengenous as to almost be a middle finger to folks that have been very articulate about what the problems actually are from the customer perspective
- Words have meaning. It matters not where they were said. Context is important. What you seem to misunderstand (again on purpose it looks like) is that the majority of the rage is centered around two things A) The fact that the words that were written fairly drips with contempt for your customers and B) The deal breaking changes that you guys seem to want to bring to the game come hell or highwater. Simply dismissing that as "You're overreacting, it's just an internal communication where actors are playing their parts" falls very flat.
- Trying to justify the absurdly high prices for vanity items is insulting both your intelligence and ours. I could be wrong, but I'd bet big that in a few months data will show that these items brought in very little revenue for the company . The market will be the final say in that though
- Failure to address performance issues and the fact that the CQ is forced
- Patting yourself on the back for a "successful" release when you've got multiple rage based threadnaughts about the "features" in that release. Successful from who's perspective? If this is success I'd hate to see failure.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[409]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
Smooth? Successful? Gorgeous?
I pity you.
Originally by: CCP Zulu The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
[..]
We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today.
So those views weren't CCP policy, yet you're telling us you're going to introduce items that are priced even higher?
I pity you.
Originally by: CCP Zulu I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
So the paying customer is the one having issues?
I pity you.
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Nal Shaishi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[410]
I had 6 accounts... as soon as the current game time expires within a month I'll be down to one... if that
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[411]
TLDR summary of the devblog:
Here _
Got Item? | EVE API? | Cache? |
TheImpossibleDream
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[412]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
Hmmmm, how about the people who PAY you, do they deserve the mockery you treat them with ?
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CEOcat
Gallente CAT Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[413]
This was probably the most pointless CCP response yet including some rather ill places sarcastic one-liners.
This doesn't answer anything at all.
What are your intentions with MT in EVE? How far will you go? I hate that it exists at all but since at this time there are no serious competitors to EVE I can live with vanity items. If you ever where to introduce a game play affecting item in the NeX store I would however leave instantly. It would be good to know if you intend that now already so I can just go out and shoot away my ISK right now instead.
How overextended is CCP Games with WoD and Dust? It seemed you have reached way to far and now you have to trash EVE to make your liquidity...
Maybe that economist you have employed can tell you this too. There is a finite limit to how much profit you can divert from a product.
You see the more money you take in profit or re-invest in other products the easier it gets for someone else to make a better version of that product. Since they don't actually have to be more innovative then you to be better, all they need to do is not divert there earnings to other projects but re-invest a few percent more in the project and they will have a better product then you.
That EVE doesn't have direct competition now does not mean it will always be like that. Also if you expand MT you yourself have changed to put it in direct competition with MMOs that have alot more resources then EVE, you do not want to compete with those.
If there actually is a problem with the base line of the EVE product let us know and raise subscription cost, but if you just overinvested our money into other projects that whent over budget then **** you!
Stay in the ALL-INCLUSIVE subscription sandbox category for the future of EVE.
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Ronaldo Carrare
RR Financial Services
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[414]
Hey CCP I like how you only talked about monocles and Helicity being mean to your dude but completely ignored the 300pages of mad posts about the other issues.
DIAF ccp
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W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[415]
so in conclusion - i am a bad person for disagreeing with the nex pricing, and being upset about ccp going back on promises with P2W. Thanks devblog for showing me the error of my ways!
NGE NGE NGE NGE NGE
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Transporter Slave
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[416]
WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT STAY RESTRICTED TO VANITY ITEMS ONLY? WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT EVER SPAWN ITEMS OUT OF THIN AIR?
*yaaay*
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Yvornes
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[417]
This dev blog answers NOTHING. Its nothing but a pathetic attempt to brush your players under the carpet.
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Arya Greywolf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[418]
"This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Iæm going to address both these issues right here."
- CCP Zulu
Aren't you missing something? Like THE OVERWHELMING DESIRE FOR US PLAYERS TO HAVE THE OLD HANGER VIEW BACK AND HAVE THE CQ AS A "DISEMBARK" BUTTON! Seriously, did you guys even read ANY threads?
Now, regarding the internal document:
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."
What the hell does this even mean? Did you not see the millionth post asking for confirmation that WE DO NOT WANT REAL MONEY TRANSFER FOR IN-GAME PROGRESSION/ADVANTAGE!? How the HELL is that not answered?
As far as I'm concerned you totally BLEW over the TWO MAIN issues we wanted to have dealt with.
1) An answer to "Are you EVER going to use aurum for an in game advantage/progression" (via internal document)?
2) We want our OLD hanger view back!
After reading the response, I'm extremely upset. No one even cared that much about the damn monocle prices! Did you read the posts? We were mocking the idea of EVEN buying it in the FIRST place!
This is fail. 3 accounts still unsubbed. Sadface.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Summary:- We are being sooo unfair with poor lil' CCP employees after learning they were asked to discuss how to spoil the game
But conversely, it's totally ok for them to come back at us with nastiness. So, don't be mean to CCP! Only they can be mean!
Did someone actually ok this crap? You all are insane CCP.
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:27:00 -
[420]
okay, let me take a crack at it
Zulu: Your blog, while appreciated, was kinda murky in some of the topics addressed, like what is currently planned as Aurum items and not.
Fallout: I appreciate your patience with the EVE community and not killing anyone in game or at CCP headquarters :)
To CCP in general: I believe that the prices are, while representitive of RL items, the inherent problem is that these are NOT RL items, so alot of people feel that these are a bit overpriced. And has been stated earlier, as long as these are restricted to vanity items, (Ishukone skinned Scorpion, clothing, etc.) then that is fine, but if you intend to sell inherently stronger ships, (capitals, Super Caps, T2 ships, faction ships) for Aurum, then that is bad for the games economy I believe. Also, regarding Aurum for Faction standings, While good for the wallet, again addresses the balancing issue, if everyone can access lvl 4 missions off the bat, then what good are lvl 1-3 agents? You have to do this carefully, while remaining balance, and the current in game economy, I know that you know this, but sometimes, you need us to tell you.
Again, I think you need to address what is currently on the table regarding Aurum items, the balancing issues and in game economy, And what your plans for DUST are for regarding such.
/Thread TL:DR
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Joxxy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[421]
LOL ?
Was this seriously the offical response from CCP top devs ?
PDF is out internal news letter where we ut stuff and discusss - we knew that allready.
Clothing can be expensive, but we will put some cheap stuff inside as well.
Hope it helps and best of luck ...
Ummm ... could we get someone that can actually read to browse the forums and then use REALLY small words while explaining to like of Zulu, Hilmar and the like WHY we are all upset ?
Clearly the higher you climb corp ladder the stoppider you get.
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NetNeutrality
Interstellar Waste Management Committee
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[422]
After reading the blog, it has FAILED to address any of the issues we, the EVE players, are concerned about.
Many of us DO NOT want microtransactions to become part of the game. The dev blog failed to address OUT MAJOR CONCERNS. While the blog did say that the newsletter does not express the official views of the company, it does not answer anything.
Quote: The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
If Fearless is not a reliable source of CCP views about the direction it is heading, then WHAT ARE CCP'S VIEW ABOUT IT? You have access to the players voices as seen through various protests happening on the servers right now, the various threads and posts against it, and the many number of players who have voiced their choice to unsubscribe from the game. You know our concerns and are willing to take drastic measure to express them to you and get your attention.
We as players, DEMAND ANSWERS!!! We as players, who want to believe that CCP is still the great company that provided us a great game, is still a great company to support and believe in. This blog has not provided us with ANY ANSWERS nor has it resolved anything.
You've heard everything the players have to say, CCP. So far you've only left us with DISAPPOINTMENT and EMPTY PROMISES. However, you still have a chance to rectify this issue. You can still fix this issue by being completely HONEST with your players.
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CCP Zulu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[423]
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
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Raz Xym
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[424]
The scale of incompetence is staggering. To be so out of touch with your player base. Seems fitting SWG being close down was in the news today. Sure it limped along for years kept alive by station accounts. But even SOE acknowledges they made a mistake. You seem to think you have done great work with All teh recent events and are misunderstood. Really... really. There are no words to properly describe this scale of arrogance and incompetence.
A full day to write that, you sir are useless.
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sue AGPlant
Minmatar Pew Pew Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[425]
blog fails to deliver.
actualy now that i think about it anyone else see the irony in the AT discussions where one of the devs (sorry i forget who) stated talking about playing swgemu and how awsome it was to play the game before they ruined it, and then they bring this out.
CCP: destroying the game we love 1 nerf at a time.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[426]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
So someone on CCP's staff looked over the multi-hundred page thread of rage... and all you got out of it was what CCP Pann said the other day? Your MT JEANS are too pricey?
So we take that as stated confirmation that you are adding game altering MT?
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Aleria Angelis
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[427]
This response is nothing but a slap in the face, I've been playing this game since 2005 and I don't deserve to be treated like this.
And since when was it ok for CCP to publish profanities in their Blogs? I know that some players have taken their feelings too far but we are not children to be scolded.
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Angel of Night
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[428]
I just leave this here on my way out
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[429]
A couple things went through my mind after reading this.
1) SOE? Is that you?
2) Wait... It took you guys that long to write that? Seriously?
3) I'm generally accused of being a CCP fanboi, but now I am pretty peeved about how you handled this. If I can't run multiple clients on the same computer by opting out of CQ when docking, (which I hear you will be getting rid of) I'm out. ------------------------------------------
CEO and Major Shareholder of the APEX Conglomerate Producer of Starsi brand softdrinks and Torped-Os! brand cereal as well as many other fine products |
Sleven Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[430]
Waaaah. Cry and ***** some more, people.
This devblog says pretty much what I've been saying all along. The document in question was little more than a brainstorming session put into writing. While there's things there I disagree with, you people seriously need to pull your collective heads out of your asses, or shove them far enough in that you can't talk out of them anymore. You're pulling out tiny little tidbits from a brainstorming session and crying and whining about them, while blowing them way out of proportion.
I hope they quadruple the cost of Aurum items so the vain pricks who buy them will look like the magnificent wastes of oxyen they are, wasting real life money on virtual vanity items instead of something beneficial.
There are real issues to be concerned and maybe even irate about in Eve. This ****? Not it.
All expansions in Eve have needed tweaking and patching until they work fine on all systems. All expansions in Eve featuring new stuff(tm) have required balancing over time until they work as they should. Why the hell do you insane ******s think Incarna of all things wouldn't require the same? You guys seriously need to relax and have some freakin' patience.
We all have legitimate issues we can point to and ask CCP to focus on. Balance supercaps. Finish FW and all the other half-finished features added to the game. Return live events and work on them some more. Un**** the sound-engine until it stops derping halfway through an engagement. Fix the performance issues some people have with CQ. Make CQ activated with a button present in the normal ship-spinning mode.
Add another hundred things, depending on who you talk to. All legitimate, all things worthy of taking notice of...
And yet... what creates an uproar of epic stupidity and *****ing... an internal pdf that is for all intents and purposes just a brainstorming session of the 'what if...?' variety, and the cost of a ****ing monocle.
If I were to throw my toys out of the pram and quit Eve at this point, it sure as hell wouldn't be because of CCP. It would be because of how ashamed I am of my fellow players who really need to sit down, shut the **** up, then think for a ****ing minute. You're seriously *****ing your way into a freakin' frenzy over nothing.
To any CCP employees/leaders/whatever that may read this: You and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things when it comes to gameplay, storyline and roleplaying in Eve Online. CQ is proof of that. Still... I thank you for still providing a better MMO and game than all those other MMO devs out there, and I'm still here as a paying customer that still trusts you to listen to the community and then make your own decisions. The right ones. You'll never please everyone, and you haven't always pleased me... but I trust that you are still making decisions with the intent to make Eve as good as you can. (Making unprobable mission runners cry in their bowl of waaaah made my ****ing year, for instance.)
Whether I agree with those decisions or not... you're still way within the boundaries. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
And for ****'s sake, make CQ activated by a button in the normal ship-spinning screen.
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:28:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Kyla dhaal Our blogs show nothing...
This
And I lol'd very hard.
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Ko'rell Cosca
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[433]
That was a poor and unsatisfactory response!
You, at best, circumvented the issues I find important:
1.) MT for non-vanity items -- Your blog does nothing to squelch the prominent view, spread by fearless, that MT will be used for non-vanity items in the future. Don't dodge your position, but own it. Are you planning this, or are you sticking to your aforementioned stance that MT's are for vanity items only. If there is an internal debate going on, explain the pro's and con's from various CCP perspectives, explain how its being explored, and be open about it. Humanize yourself, and No MORE LIES.....
2.) Mandatory CQ - The majority of players play internet spaceships. Forcing those that enjoy the spaceships part into the "out of pod" experience has some serious negative effects to players that dual box and triple box. The way I see it, remove mandatory CQ, or I remove 2 out of 3 accounts. If you feel CQ has to be mandatory, you need to include actual game-play aspects of CQ. As it is now, it is a large waste of memory for vanity aesthetics.
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Dardanos Herakles
Caldari Forced aggressions Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[434]
I no longer trust CCP, and thinking really hard to unsub my accounts.
NO MT FOR EVE.
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Thuarlach
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[435]
Having read the blog I'm trying to find one good reason why I shouldn't cancel my accounts here and now.
I enjoy this game but I don't feel like paying to be insulted.
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Korbin Dallaz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[436]
OMFG!!!!!! did you even read any of these forums ??????? Everyone is saying the exact same stuff and this reply only confirms it. It is not the price of stuff that people are ****ed about. You are so out of touch you don't even get it. Are you dumb or playing stupid so that you can't get caught in a lie ?????
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Kallynda Nai
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Vio Geraci If you introduce superior gear for sale for aurum it will become the new baseline for success, and ruin EVE Online.
CCP needs to commit as a company to not converting to a "pay to win" game model. Especially on top of already charging subscriptions. Anything else will not assuage us.
I don't know if the community as a whole can even accept non-vanity items at this point. Even if the current CCP staff commit to not adopting a "pay to win" model, the next people that have the job may feel differently. Stay away from the slippery slope.
Not empty quotin'
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Gracron
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[438]
After that response, there is nothing to say apart from i wont be resubbing my 3 accounts when they expire.
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Llievit Nnang
Gallente Black Omega Armory
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[439]
Why did that blog leave me with a feeling that someone didn't get it? And to be honest, it's a little surprising it took that long to post such a generic response to the current uproar. At the moment I don't see a reason to reconsider the cancelation of my accounts.
-Ll |
Inca Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[440]
sorry if this has already been said many times but alas my browser not refreshing well and many pages already to read.
Personally i couldn't care less about clothes and all that sort of stuff.
I only want to know one thing. Will you be charging microtransactions for better weaponry/ships etc and still charge a subscription fee?
actually i'd also quite like to know what the likely projected price and availability of plex will be, but i think all that would be over my head anyways so nevermind.
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Andreas Finn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[441]
With regard to the first point, it's a fair one if that was the intent of the in-house document. I'm sure the individuals would have been a little more circumspect if they had thought the document would be read by the player base; and if people were indeed playing devil's advocate (as I do myself in my working life, to pose the counter argument), then certainly it is harsh to vilify them for a position they may not really believe in personally, even if they are proposing hugely unpopular ideas.
With regard to the second point, and reading the Jita local channel for the last hour or so, the blog really does not address the issue. The price of vanity items is a complete side issue against the suggestion that MT will have an impact on gameplay. THAT is the issue that has caused tonight's protest, not the price of trousers.
I didn't log in to Jita tonight to take part in the protest, I didn't even know it was happening. But I am certainly impressed at the response by players to changes they do not like. I can't see blogs like this helping to resolve the matter. My personal reccomendation at this point would be to suspend NEX and call a CSM meeting at the first opportunity. I believe that was the purpose of creating one?
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[442]
Im absolutely enraged by this situation that cpp has bringed players in.
Introducing items to store and use it as trojan horse for further shop expansion and adding items that would change the balance of the game. Absolutely disgusting. Selling faction standings that take months to gain? Selling ammo and weapons? Go to hell.
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BondGamer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[443]
It took you all day to write a couple paragraphs how CCP is just doing their job and that people pay $1000 for designer jeans?
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Norian Lonark
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[444]
I am very disappointed by the blog as it doesn't address my concern about the MT for P2W.
I think a lot of the community that cares passionately about the game is making some very valid points and these have had no response.
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Transporter Slave
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[445]
WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT STAY RESTRICTED TO VANITY ITEMS ONLY? WILL AURUM/DIRECT-MT EVER SPAWN ITEMS OUT OF THIN AIR?
*yaaay* (4)
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Sandwich PvP
Furian Necromongers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[446]
Thanks CCP. If I hadn't already unsubbed my three accounts, I'd be doing it now. That blog simply proves everyone's concerns. That you have lost touch with your playerbase, your game, and the sandbox.
You have around fifty days of gameplay to convince me that you actually remember what this game is about, but I'm thinking I'll probably be wasting my time even logging in.
P.S Zulu, you should look into politics, spinning a yarn like that in the face of massive hatred is a special talent. Don't waste it.... Sort by what? |
Yubyub
Minmatar Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[447]
You take a whole lot of words to say nothing.
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Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[448]
Here CCP. Let me upgrade your equipment, because yours kinda suck right now.
I really LOVE how pompous he sounded. I really felt like he connected to us as best he possible could. Like, Louis Vitone explaining why he's selling his handbags at $50,000,000 USD each to cast members of Desperate Housewives and Sex and the City!
I really love how he fully explained and calmed our concerns for Non-Vanity items in his devblog. So many questions were answered!!
What the Frak is this!?!?
I've really been rooting for you guys, CCP. I have a lot of respect for Manifest and Fallout. I get giddy when I get tweet replies from you guys - its encouraging. I feel like Sean Connery winked at me. you know? its like that for me.
I'm a calm guy. I know you're all human and I really try not to step into the flame wars. I try to speak as if I'm actually in a dialog with you. I present my points, I address those you guys bring up.
Again: What the Frak is this!?!?
*sigh*
Instead of saying "Okay, here's what's going on." you guys decided to give us "Haha! you guys just don't get it! *smug look*"
You guys could have salvaged this. I've really lost faith in your ability to hear anyone. If you can't hear 2,000 protestors in Jita, 2,000 in Amarr, and god knows how many in Rens. If you can't listen to that Threadnarok over there. There is Nothing NOTHING to make us thing that you can hear ANY of us.
I want to vomit. ____ What CCP Needs:
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[449]
I'm normally all for CCP, but even I had to /facepalm this devblog. This probably just made things even worse.
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Harelip Jenkins
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:29:00 -
[450]
/sigh
That's what I figured. I would say that CCP's response is an admission to include non-vanity items in the AUR store.
CCP, it's your game and I don't have any right to dictate how you develop it other than to not participate.
I'll be unsubbing x3 this weekend when I get back to my desktop.
It's been fun but I refuse to play a pay-to-win game (even a non-subscription one). Good luck to those that leave as well as to those that stay. Good luck to CCP too, you guys have proven that you can develop an awesome game up to this point. P2W is a huge risk, hope it works out.
HJ
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ItchyTrizzaFingerNizza
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[451]
Did he just...? Awh no he di'n't just... awh hell no... nizza please...
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[452]
The one statement which could have diffused this situation is "we will never have MT for anything but vanity items".
You must have known that's what this is mainly all about, so i find your failure to say it disturbing.
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Ceratin
Amarr Black Lance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[453]
Comparing jeans in real life to internet spaceships items was lol enough
Telling us all that you spend ú1000 on jeans in real life probably says alot more....
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[454]
The Truth??
The future of Eve?
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Xtreem
Gallente Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[455]
honestly, I am shocked, I expected ALOT more, I pretty much read that as: We like it, live with it, we are awesome :smug:
I am going to give you guys a chance to save this, but I have un-subbed my alts to help you decide.
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Gaiserich
Minmatar Chocolate Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Cham Palaung This answer is an even worse slap in our face. You don't answer at all our concerns and you even try to make us guilty. Never more you will get one coin from me, damn sharks. Have fun demolishing EVE, without me.
I can only quote the text at this moment. My own words will only bring me to an islandic jail.
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Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Pattern Clarc Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 24/06/2011 21:10:08 3/10
Maybe this picture might help...
That picture sums it up perfectly. Since Apocrypha something happened with CCP, or rather NOTHING happened. You havent released anything worth of a forum thread never mind an expansion since then.
As a community we already page vastly over the odds per person on alts, plex etc.. yet still you try and squeeze more from us?
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Muchos Besitos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[458]
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled
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BA-BYE!
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Planek
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[459]
I feel you have no addressed anything in this dev blog. You have basically confirmed everything we're upset about and said you're still going through with it despite mass protests happening among many forums, in Jita, Amarr, Rens, Dodixie, and many other systems. We provide your salaries, we pay for this game. We did not ask for a system to allow financially well off individuals to obtain an advantage in the game.
We play this game because it's a getaway from our own lives. I know many people who play this game. Rich and poor. In real life, they are in completely different classes and would probably otherwise never interact. However, Eve brings people together because of a common interest. It's a place where your own financial status in real life doesn't matter and you can be whatever you want to be in the game. You have the same opportunities as every other player.
I have personally dedicated 7 years of my life to this game. I have worked for everything I have. Spent time mining in asteroid belts and ratting to gain my ISK. PVPed in major fleet battles and made great friends along the way. What you are doing is ethically wrong. I guarantee you will lose many subscriptions if you continue down this path.
You say we shouldn't be angry, that the newsletter was just ideas being thrown around to instigate debate and conversation. Then you go on to say that you're still intending on doing exactly what the newsletter says. So...wtf.. we should be angry. At CCP and those who suggested these changes in the newsletter. As the producer, it is your responsibility to appeal to the customer. Not to maximize your profits. I can understand adding certain things to the game to allow some players to customize some aspects of the game. However, no one should be allowed to gain an advantage in the game based on how much they pay. That is what the in game market is for. If you work hard in the game and make ISK, yes you can gain an advantage over other players because you have more ISK. However, if you're gaining an advantage simply because you're more well off in the real world. That's wrong and it will destroy this game by upsetting many many players.
I believe the PLEX conversion into ISK should have never been introduced. That started this whole thing.
My basic point is: If you give players the ability to gain an advantage over other players simply based on their financial status out of game you will lose more than you will gain.
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Chandler Urandom
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[460]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Sadly, I think it's abundantly clear by now what the answer is. They are aware we're asking this, the only reason they have not to answer is that they don't have an answer which won't make this ****storm larger. ****.
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Vorce
Killswitch Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[461]
My only thought after reading that blog was "Oh go **** yourselves".
I wonder, have you read the threads about the players concerns? 'Cause you didnt adress them in that blog. Mostly a bunch about real life clothing and justifications taken out the ass. Shape up CCP. You're in deep water here. SOE told their players to go **** themselves when SOE released their Combat Upgrade for Star Wars Galaxies. Don't do the same. This is an update your players are not happy with...
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Duchy Duke
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[462]
Quote: Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread.
And these are the game design thoughts going through the head of a DEV at CCP even after loud warning shots have been fired across the bow. I hung in there for a day, but if the first offical response to their mistake is to vaguely talk about their hurt feelings and defensively talking about the game design philosophies that go into virtual clothing, then I'm afraid this game is over with.
R.I.P. EVE A 4 year adventure in sandboxing that I will remember fondly.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[463]
200 pages of complaints about client performance issues, golden ammo MTs, lying to the CSM and your subscribers, etc. and all you can come up with is : "but, but, guys ... 1000 $ / pair jeans are pimp" ???
Seriously ??
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HoboWithAShip
They That Are
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[464]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Bull****. Complete and utter bull****.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Ring a bell? So is backpedaling CCP's new official strategy when dealing with an angry mob? I can't say it's working too well.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:30:00 -
[465]
Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 24/06/2011 21:34:31 Holy smugness in that blog post.
That took CCP 24 hours to create?
First, not buying anything to do with exaggeration. Exaggeration connotes ideas that are over the top, almost ridiculous. Nothing anyone wrote in that internal newsletter smacked of exaggeration. Nice deflection, CCP, but I'm not buying it at all. Those were genuine opinions within the corp on where to take macro/microtransactions.
The thing is, you have a lead game designer espousing the move towards play to win transactions, and then you have a powerless associate researcher espousing no microtransactions (other than vanity wear.) Hmm. What opinion wins out at the end of the day?
As for the price points of goods in the NEX store. Again, calling BS on the $1000 jeans argument. If that was the case, you would have immediately introduced two price points to demonstrate that ideal. You introduced these price points assuming we'd accept them, we didn't. You came up instead with this ridiculous (ooh, exaggerated) line of reasoning.
But again, what is CCP stance on microtransactions? Will you be moving into areas other than vanity items? Simple question. Requires a simple response.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[466]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Slapping your paying customers in the face with this level of ******** is not constructive nor focused.
It's throwing dynamite onto an already raging fire.
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Nicoletta Modena
Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[467]
Let me help you CCP- Read this and you may have a bit better understanding why we are so upset: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
And FYI, I've already killed one on my subs, with more to follow.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[468]
BACK ON TOPIC! The devblog is working, you are talking about what they wants you to talk about. Prices.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[469]
Oh, and BTW, hiding the 'Cancel Subscription' button is only to make already disgruntled players more angry and less likely to resubscribe. It's the kind of crap mobile networks do. How have you managed to fall so far, so fast? ___
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus exactly as expected.
crap.
This, actually, completely this. It isn't because of Monocles FFS. |
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Tea Spoon
Gallente Muppet Factory Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[471]
That was just mind-boggingly terrible as a response to the criticisms that came up the past few days.
There really is nothing more to say except to hope the EVE brand will eventually be bought up by someone else who has a clue.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[472]
Wow, that's some arrogance.
You know, CCP, I am exactly the kind of customer you were hoping to attract with Incarna. I was planning on cracking a PLEX or two and buying some virtual items. I was looking forward to Incarna all along.
Now? I'll never use the NEX store, no matter how cheap you make it. You've turned off exactly the kind of customer you were hoping to create by this whole embarrassing fiasco.
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REQUIEMSORN
Anakites
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[473]
came expecting a real response with in depth answers to the most valid concerns.........left disappointed. |
Cage Shadownsun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[474]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Then why didn't you address the actual problem that is causing your tradehub riots? We already received confirmation as to Fearless, even as to what its purpose. It's the CONTENT people are concerned about!
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Wooker Tosk
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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P I Joe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[476]
CCP1: Wow look at all the rage, we gonna do something about it? CCP2: Yep. Tell them to go **** themselves. They'll eventually bend over and take it like bit****. CCP1: Yes! CCP2: Yes.
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SilentSkills
Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[477]
Stop insulting players by only addressing the issues you want, we want answers to the questions we've had for 3 days.
There are countless posts that summarize all the issues that concern us players, I suggest you take the time to actually read them. MonocleMonocle
The door thread - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[478]
Edited by: Annie Anomie on 24/06/2011 21:34:15 Wow.
...
Seriously?
Does this seem... adequate?
Does this seem like a good idea?
If so, why?
I cannot find the words to express how bad CCP are at this stuff.
His name was John Turbefield!
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BuRniZZ
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[479]
I'm not sure you understand our concerns.
And Free Helicity and **********.Heroes of Eve. (I'll take that ban now I guess)
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Hra Neuvosto
The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
[480]
♪ All I do is spin, spin, spin no matter what
Got money on mind, I can never get enough
And every time I step up in the building
Everybody hands go up ♪ ------------------
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[481]
There's way too much complaining about Micro Transactions and not enough about other issues.
HANGER VIEW OPTION PLEASE yobo |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[482]
Edited by: Misanth on 24/06/2011 21:37:36 So, Zulu, all you care about is addressing the pricing discussion.
The major issues, however, you both dodge and divert, and won't answer to either.
Fearless You only explain what Fearless is, but you do not address the questions raised - why are you even debating this since you have told CSM and players numerous times, that things like this will never be considered? You lied then, or changed your mind? It's quite vital, as your reputation as a company, and your word both as employees but also indivuals, is at stake. So, will you ever consider non-vanity items for AUR?
Incarna functionality You are proudly presenting how smooth this release has been. At the same time you have had blue posts admitting there is severe hardware issues related to it, and even have a sticky thread on the forums. Sure, it might work, but it's performing sub-par - and in a multi-client game like this it's quite a disaster. You completely ignore that.
Edit; not to mention you completely ignored the people that request for an option to turn off CQ permamently. The door-compromise we have is a joke, has been made joke of, and the only thing we really know about the future is your intention is to turn off this temporary door. But you have no intention to bring back the hangars. Even tho CQ is known to be horrendous for multi-clienting, medium to old hardware, and something that affects :spaceship: performance (sic!) immensely. Having 90 sec dock timers instead of 30 is quite significant, if you ever tried to :spaceship:-PvP in this game?
Very, very, very disappointed with your blog. This is what we get as reply?
The unity Remember that the whole playerbase, more or less, actually players from all differnet camps. High-, low-, null. Enemies and friends alike. Vets and young players. And, even more disturbing, CSM. We're all critising your actions, and want to know where you aim for the future. And you have completely ignored that, or don't care. So you're done with EVE, and the future is only Dust and WoD? We who have supported you for near a decade, some of us with ten, maybe twenty, maybe more accounts, we're not worth junk?
Well then sir, you reap what you sow.. The isk I put on your company was worth it. With emphasis on was. -
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Dr Zom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[483]
Edited by: Dr Zom on 24/06/2011 21:40:51 Many people seem to forget that CCP already had MT in game. I can already use real money to buy an advantage. The controversy is wheither I will be able to buy a unique advantage. I can already use my real money to buy a Titan through PLEX. I can already use my real money to buy faction ammo through PLEX. How CCP would kill themselves is if I could use real money to buy a SUper-Mega-Titan with Sansha-Blood-Serpentis-Unobtanium Ammo, buy my way into good standings with Jove, and pick up some missing skill-points, all exclusively with Aurum.
And that is what this devblog did absolutely nothing to address. Yes, we understand that internal newsletters do not constitute company policy. The question we are asking is What is company policy on unique non-vanity items for Aurum?
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[484]
Originally by: Marcus Luso Thanks for nothing.
This.
I bet I'm not the only person playing eve that did expect a real statement instead a page full of nothing. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[485]
They just killed Eve with that piece of meaningless, intelligence-insulting CorporateSpeak.
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kitteh Daphiti
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[486]
To all players unsubbing there accounts please send all items and isk to me :D i will gladly take care of the items sent
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Cindy Singularity
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[487]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Get typing. You have a lot of F*ING explaining to do.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[488]
Posting again.
What a fcking joke. I had hope for you CCP, even after that document got released, that you might have some respect for your playerbase.
Not anymore.
Choke on your $70 monocles, you sleazy, dishonest, condescending, lunatics.
Choke on your monocles. ________________
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Eragon Endymion
Gallente Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[489]
Seriously CCP. STOP ****ING HIRING ******S, maybe then you can deploy good and smooth expansions. And also send your devs to reading courses, maybe then they can read and identify real problems. Because this blog is full of **** and not on the topic.
GG CCP... you guys suck and thats all...
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Planetary Genocide
Gallente White Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[490]
I should mention that I've seen more convincing apologies from Bill Clinton.
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FiIdeon Adamantus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[491]
i'm very disapointed to see that ccp had became SO greedy that it forget all about the game and making it more fun. CCP have became a monocles retailers because it pays much more and cost much less than developping new features.
as a sad player i'm leaving eve now.
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Sam Redshift
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[492]
We were waiting for a response all day!
I cannot believe it! This dev blog is even more insulting and inflammatory than the Fearless doc. Are you doing this by purpose? Fueling the rage even more by ignoring and mocking your customers?
I am afraid that CCP lost today all its credibility as a successful gaming company and as business with future.
I cannot believe this .. is it a joke, tragedy or suicide ganking?
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Ko'rell Cosca
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[494]
Forget you CCP.
We will not buy skillpoints we will not buy monocles we will not buy clothes we will not buy ships
we already pay a monthly fee.
Not anymore.
We won't pay for eve. we won't buy dust. we won't pay for vampires online.
CCP is going **** up.
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ShortBusss
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[495]
Ahahahahahah!
You've got to be joking right? I hope CCP realizes that this is a "Video Game" (A game played by electronically manipulating images produced by a computer program on a television screen or display.)
Why would compare a pair of jeans to your pixilized pants? So why would I want to spend 35.00 USD on a stupid pair of video game jeans. Why not speak it out with truth? "We need money", instead of lying or just introducing stupid ideas one after another maybe you should go read the suggestion threads in this forums that you operate.
Please remind me why I would want to spend 35 Dollars on a pair of virtual pants, is it so I can stare at myself while i prance around the captains quarters twirling my pants?? Instead of that, my I should go spend that 35 Dollars on a pair of jeans from a CLOTHING STORE and not get arrested for walking around naked? Shame how that works... I'd fire your marketing manager, because the idea behind this is just plain stupid.
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Rommiee
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[496]
Un - Freaking - believable
Jeez
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[497]
While I don't agree with the overzealous attacks on certain CCP employees for just giving their opinions; you're really not helping the situation much with your absolutely awful communication.
The "greed is good newsletter" suggested CCP were likely going down the track of selling standings, ammo and other advantage-giving items via the Noble exchange store and as yet you STILL have not given an answer regarding that - that is why people feel so angry, upset, betrayed and IGNORED.
I hope you're paying attention because this is the last time I ask this before I unsubscribe - The only question that matters to me and lots of other players is:
Do CCP have any plans to go beyond vanity items for sale in the NeX store?
vanity items being clothes, ship skins and stuff that does not offer any in-game advantage or advancement above the rest of the players.
Greed is not good for a company that has prided itself on "free expansions" for 8 years and cultivated a very loyal group of players. If you go down the microtransaction advantages road then you've chosen greed, and I'm sorry that is a deal breaker for me.
Man-up and answer the question so we both know where we are at. Cheers.
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Raz Hurley
Minmatar Gravity Mining and Manufacturing Inc The Company LLC
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[498]
Originally by: CCP Zulu
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
Who asked, and why did they ask? You don't ask for a debate on a topic you don't want to do. While it may only be opinion, it speaks to intent. Since trust has been lost, most can only go by the actions. You devoted an entire newsletter to the topic, it's only natural to assume that this is something you will be doing. It would seem to be only a question as to what extent.
Originally by: CCP Zulu
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.
You mean the clothes that no one else can see? In any case, your analogy rings hollow - it's not an argument of any merit. Aside from the physical vs virtual dichotomy, there are other aspects of physical goods that do not support a translation of concepts to a virtual good. While it might be cathartic for me to go into further detail, it seems pointless. You seem more intent on telling us what we should buy rather than figuring out what we want.
Originally by: CCP Zulu
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Sadly, you have not. There's no discussion on the subtle and gradual shift towards MT for non-vanity items, no real explanation of how you came up with NEx pricing ("it must be good if it's expensive" is not an explanation), and most importantly, the rather cavalier and dismissive attitude of many communications from CCP staff on these topics.
I wish you luck. You have a very bad few weeks coming up, both from a vocal and disgruntled faction of your userbase, as well as the PR repercussions of the negative reactions. While I am disheartened by what I have seen, I do not wish you ill. I can say, however, that the game holds much less interest for me. I cannot escape the feeling that the best days of EVE have past, and it's nothing but a gradual decline from here on out. |
CyALuME
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[499]
Dude.. I know Iceland is way out in the middle of nowhere. So it probably makes it easy to be out of touch with the rest of the world but wow.. your losing you touch with your own market base.
Your latest expansion was terrible. Something the majority as already turned off.
Your latest blog was just a bunch of flip floppin' drivel.
Remember this..
WE ARE THE ONES KEEPING YOUR GAME GOING!
Forget that and you lose your game anyway.
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Nikodiemus
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[500]
No, you answered nothing. Are non-vanity items ever going to be placed in the exchange? Answer that. Very simple. And tell the truth - maybe very difficult for CCP but give it the old college try. Stop treating us like we are idiots and polishing this turd, you made a game for adults and professionals and what we lack in maturity on CAOD we make up for in capability everywhere else.
And the fact it took you that long to write not even a page of text containing nothing but bull**** and nonanswers just goes to show how inept you are your company are.
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[501]
I for one think Zulu is right. The internal newsletter that has caused so much anger is but the opening questions for what was probably a month or two of emails, meetings and talk over beer after the devs got off of work. untill you have all of the information behind something trying to kill everything is not cool.
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Kotami
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:32:00 -
[502]
Two days of absolute revolt and the official response is:
"Whatever, dudes!"
Seriously?
I, too, want to know if non-vanity items will be coming to NEX. Based on your 'two word', I can only assume the answer is "Yes."
Man-up, CCP.
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Random Womble
Minmatar Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[503]
Personally i think as a group you missed to a large extent the nature (in my view) of most MT or DLC normally its for non MMOs who have a 1 hit revenue stream and need a source of income to cover sustained development and running the back end of any online system e.g. TF2 as unlike most MMOs they dont have a constant revenue stream in the form of a subscription (hellgate london proved how unfeasible that was for that type of game). So discussing that type of revenue stream for this type of game (regardless of the delicate nature of the the internal markets) is foolish and even more ironic given your 2008 april fools joke.
As far as i can tell your vision for dust followed along the TF2 lines which generally im cool with (tho the dust-eve interaction may mean a bad knock-on effect and cause more rabbling)
As for clothes i work in an office but wear tracksuit bottoms to work because i can get away with it who makes my clothes does not matter to me even when i want to look slightly better. not everyone is a label freak.
Oh and while it was not really a major part of the threadnaught you guys also need to stop ignoring the CQ vs Hanger issue.
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Law Deschain
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Duchy Duke
Quote: Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread.
And these are the game design thoughts going through the head of a DEV at CCP even after loud warning shots have been fired across the bow. I hung in there for a day, but if the first offical response to their mistake is to vaguely talk about their hurt feelings and defensively talking about the game design philosophies that go into virtual clothing, then I'm afraid this game is over with.
R.I.P. EVE A 4 year adventure in sandboxing that I will remember fondly.
^ This
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Glafri
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[505]
Well, thats just horse manure. I see you guys still don't get while people are angry.
I'll be consolidating my 4 accounts down to 2 within 4 days. The other 2 accounts have upto a month left on them and I think I might just throw the towel in on those too when the time comes.
-2 subs (maybe more)
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Melkath Bandrom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[506]
"CCP_ZULU's FU blog to the userbase which answered NOTHING and said for us to SUCK it. I won't play a game with devs like that. He just cost you 3 more subs. I am very dissapoint"
This is the reasons I gave on all of my 4 now UNsubbed accts.
F CCP!
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Stenner
x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[507]
CCP Zulu, please accept my contract of one (1) Damage Control II. I need another free contract slot to send another to CCP Pann.
Thank you.
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Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[508]
Here CCP. Let me upgrade your equipment, because yours kinda suck right now.
I really LOVE how pompous he sounded. I really felt like he connected to us as best he possible could. Like, Louis Vitone explaining why he's selling his handbags at $50,000,000 USD each to cast members of Desperate Housewives and Sex and the City!
I really love how he fully explained and calmed our concerns for Non-Vanity items in his devblog. So many questions were answered!!
What the Frak is this!?!?
I've really been rooting for you guys, CCP. I have a lot of respect for Manifest and Fallout. I get giddy when I get tweet replies from you guys - its encouraging. I feel like Sean Connery winked at me. you know? its like that for me.
I'm a calm guy. I know you're all human and I really try not to step into the flame wars. I try to speak as if I'm actually in a dialog with you. I present my points, I address those you guys bring up.
Again: What the Frak is this!?!?
*sigh*
Instead of saying "Okay, here's what's going on." you guys decided to give us "Haha! you guys just don't get it! *smug look*"
You guys could have salvaged this. I've really lost faith in your ability to hear anyone. If you can't hear 2,000 protestors in Jita, 2,000 in Amarr, and god knows how many in Rens. If you can't listen to that Threadnarok over there. There is Nothing NOTHING to make us thing that you can hear ANY of us. ____ What CCP Needs:
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[509]
Zulu You should resign.
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GRIEV3R
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[510]
If CCP introduces microtransactions for anything other than vanity, I will unsub all 3 of my accounts and just play SWTOR.
Until such time as that actually happens, I will stick around.
Based on the massive outcry from the players, I doubt CCP will actually implement that kind of MT.
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Normbil
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[511]
Edited by: Normbil on 24/06/2011 21:33:49
Originally by: FrankT You could have just said:
Dear Eve Community,
Go **** Yourself
-End Dev Blog
exactly
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Just Another Toon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[512]
well done that arrogant attitude us just what ppl need...typical ccp response that prove you are a idiot....
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Sedin Bann
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[513]
That took 3 days? Really?
You did not answer the simple question: Will MT's go beyond vanity items?
It's like you are pretending the issue does not exist. At this point people are past caring about the cost of the vanity items, most people will just avoid them.
As for your staff opinions, personally I did not feel that the 3 pages refering to each of your games read like opinions, they read more like a future plans for the games, though I totally understand people were likely told to write them as part of their job.
Needless to say as with many others after that blog I won't be adding more time to my account.
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boeses frettchen
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[514]
Originally by: Klebzellok 1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Mynex
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:33:00 -
[515]
I get what CCP Zulu is saying but a lot of us would like a clear answer to the question below.
Gameplay effecting Micro Transactions, are they coming in the future yes/no/maybe?
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Kara Royer
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[516]
Monsterthread
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Raz Lictor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[517]
I cannot believe that I waited all day, expecting some sort of sincere damage control effort to come out of CCP.
Manifest and Fallout's assurances that they were reading threads and attempting to summarize the playerbase's concerns for the rest of the company actually gave me some hope. And when I heard that the CSM was being actively communicated with I really thought we'd see something come out of all this.
I admit that allowing the rage to build up for a full 24 hours seemed ill-advised, and I wasn't even sure what would placate the masses at this point. But I didn't think the response would be worse than no response at all.
Even people who weren't previous angry and hurt over the incidents of the past week are going to have a hard time not reading this dev blog as a direct slap to the face of the players. A blatant message that despite constant assurances that CCP understood the values of their community, we are not valued.
I can only hope that Manifest, Fallout, and other devs are internally as appalled by this disgraceful response as the rest of us are.
Truly appalling.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[518]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
ok, well you really NEED to put that at the top of the blog and have there is MUCH more to come in big letters every other line... in red... probably flashing.
and why on Earth did you, after 3 days pick the 2 least significant or relevant points to open your pr fightback with????
we don't car about these issues... move on to the ones we do care about...
you also need to create a dedicated response thread and lock it for devs only so we can find your posts....
I would also add that your blog fails to address even the issues it sets out to cover... but as I don't care about those issues lets just move on... --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
Support Optional CQ
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[519]
Originally by: CCP Manifest To be frank, I am amazed this page loaded. Zulu should be along shortly if he's not already here.
CCP Manifest you are a good guy and also Public Relations.
Could you please tell CCP Zulu to reply about that huge yellow question repeated for just few thousands of times?
Will aurum items go **beyond** vanity?
A yes or no will suffice.
It's all the FEARLESS he needs to show at us.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[520]
There's way too much complaining about Micro Transactions and not enough about other issues.
HANGER VIEW OPTION PLEASE yobo |
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Laserham Lincoln
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[521]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
How about timely manner?
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Freelancer117
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[522]
1st you say DUST514 is not for the current eve community but for the internet player base
now you say INCARNA and onward is not for the current eve community but for the internet player base
Here is a reminder; we the CURRENT playerbase with our hard earned real life money paid you to make a better game
And you as a company made this CURRENT game possible, you ignore one or both you will loose this amazing game as it is
but of course if you serve money and not us or your own talents then please go the way of many mmo companies and sell out
havent you learned what the game is about after the 99 dollar idea ? its about ppl and symbiosis of two worlds existing one in rl and in eve
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
BACK ON TOPIC! The devblog is working, you are talking about what they wants you to talk about. Prices.
Yep, you're right. Still nothing about the real concerns - will MT be for performance enhancing crap, and will you make Incarna forever optional.
Stop poking us in the eye CCP and telling us to like it. We are not happy, and that unhappiness is only rising with this dev blog. Get someone to make a tremendous mea culpa pronto.
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Lilliana Stelles
Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[524]
A Machariel costs $35 in game if I sell a plex. IRL, no clothing is more expensive than a spaceship. I sense your math is off.
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thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[525]
plex for good
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Myxx
Atropos Group
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[526]
The impression I got from the blog was that Zulu just flipped us all the middle finger.
Oh no you didnt. --
Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Originally by: Tom Gerard
Then again... I am a moron.
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Huyai Tsukurit
Caldari Grau Foundation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[527]
wow, there were two pages in this thread when I first started writing, but I was so taken aback for words I could not put fingers to keyboard. I have waited in great anticipation for this blog as I had the inspired hope that "CCP won't let us down". Until this point I was entirely optimistic that sense would prevail, all week I have been as supportive as possible...
I do agree with many of the comments on "fearless" people could do with toning back some of the hate on that front towards some of the CCP employees.
However, overall the tone of that Blog was "let them eat cake" and we all know how that ended.
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KING TERROR
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[528]
Edited by: KING TERROR on 24/06/2011 22:27:00 First of all it must be said that i think you made a very nice expansion edition. The new UI code seems to work fine here as well as anything else changed in workings that i use. The captains quarters is a nice addition too and maybe had to be ingame sooner. To be honest im also very qurious about what the rest of the station will be like. The shops or anything else. No idea what will come. Also major wub for weaponry.
But...
Im sorry to inform you that the world is rapidly changing at this very moment CCP.
For some time it looked like that MT's in games might become a common thing. However, as a 35 year old gamer, having withnessed the game PONG as blockbuster-prime-time-must-have-machine with turn-only controls, i must say that everyone i know pretty much ditch games that have MT's in it. More and more people are thinking the same thing. Thats because the world is tired of business and economy always calling the shots. Nice examples are the regimes we have hanging on loose ends and the DNA changed foodmarket and more.
Were getting tired of it. Subscriptions: fine, no problem. But thats as far as it will go.
On the other hand, if you dont want a 1000 dollar ingame pair of pants then dont buy them. Very true. Although its enough reason to spend my money elsewhere.
Sorry for the first rant in 6 years.
King
P.S. Micro transactions are called micro transactions because theyre small, think of 0,50 cents to 5/10 euro perhaps. 50 euro+ doesnt fit the deffinition 'Micro Transactions'. |
Tyree Jinx
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[529]
I don't feel that the issues which concern me have been addressed. I still need to know if you are going beyond vanity items. If you dont i'll stay if you do i'll be moving on.
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Jimtom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:34:00 -
[530]
Are you or are you not going to sell itmes to be used in combat?
Simple question, simple answer
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Gadriel Dovgal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[531]
Part of the reason that we are angry is that you are using our money to make things to sell back to us.
The larger reason is that your response to our upset is to basically tell us to f*uck off. This blog entry is offensive.
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Kirjave
Gallente dom spokojnej starosci YARRR and CO
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[532]
hahaha oh wow. Where did you get the idea that slapping community in the face is the way to go?
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[533]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
There's only one topic that *you* need to address. The total lack of internet spaceships, the use of EVE as an Alpha testing ground for WoD, and all the rest are for Devs working in those areas.
But YOU are clearly the MEGAtransactiosn guy, so there's only one word you need to say:
Is pay-to-win being implemented? Are there going to be ships, modules, weapons, amunition coming to the cash shop?
Yes or No?
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kitteh Daphiti
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[534]
To all players unsubbing there accounts please send all items and isk to me :D i will gladly take care of the items sent |
Magnus Opium
Amarr Combat Unit 93
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[535]
Wow Zulu, Your idea of damage control is 'deal with it'? You idea of calming the baying mob amounts to 'STFU'?
You're really not getting it are you?
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Jos Wijnants
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[536]
This shows that our opinions and concerns don,t matter at all.
i think they know they lose a part of the players base ,but want to get every cent out of this game they can get. So they have chosen a path and don,t care what we think about it. You must not forget that By developing Dust & WoD and Incarna ,CCP staff size has grown dramatically over the 2 last years They have to pay for those people and don,t care about what we want,as long as the cash comes in ,we are last in line
grtz
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Utari G'Denoik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Htrag first!
What do you really expect with responses like that.... Well let me tell you something subscriber.....
It's not CCP's fault you have misinterpreted a number of things that took place this week, but interpret this - CCP is a for profit company in the business of earning more per month. And that's exactly what they're doing, successfully. Oh yeah, if you've ever worked for a real company, you know they brain storm like this every f***ing day. It's part of finding ways to increase your bottom line.
You are paying for a license to use their service. You want to see changes before they happen, get on the test server. If it doesn't go in the direction you're happy with, are you going to be around? Who cares, you're acceptable collateral to them.
Third, if you want something to really effect your game play, become a major stock holder.
For profits listen to wallets, not mouths.
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Vladimir Broz
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[538]
I've been following the threads, blogs and general discussions about the issue and only now am I compelled to voice my opinion. I have three accounts and I am happy with the majority of the game. I am also patient. I waited for CCP to come out with a statement. I held CCP in high regard until I read the devblog a few minutes ago. It is disgusting that anyone would compare real life items to ingame items. I believe that CCP is dead wrong on it's MT pricing. MT items are NOT in the same category as Maybach's, boutique clothing or private jets. MT allow players to buy a vast assortment of items that let players to further customize the look and feel of their game and game world. CCP will not get 60 dollars from me for a monocle. They will get my money if for 60 dollars I can buy a new CQ design and a reasonable wardrobe.
I am not one to rush things or let my emotions get the better of me so I will not resub - yet. I will wait for CCP to further clarify the problems with Incarna and hopefully I will continue to be a subscriber.
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[539]
World's most expensive jeans EVE online charity
EVE Online Charity 2
EVE Online Charity 3
And more.
This is where we want our 4 PLEX to go. Not to line your pockets.
This is a huge disconnect from REALITY from CCP.
You want to defend your argument about high-priced items? How about the $100,000 EVE players have tried to give to charity. That is a good cause.
It doesn't take an economist to realize your plan is stupid.
The # of people that pay $1000 jeans are the same people that your playerbase views as arrogant, greedy and incompetent. EVE isn't full of stupidly wealthy players - we're down to earth every day people - we don't want to see some "stupidly wealthy" player get by, exceed or get some "trinket" because he has real life money.
Earn it IN THE GAME and THROUGH THE GAME. We don't play this game to line your pockets, we play this game to have fun. We give $10,000s of dollars to charity for A GOOD CAUSE. Not so you can feed us some crap about defending $80 RMT items that the WHOLE MEDIA is laughing at you for, and have no doubt will hit headline news at some point as the most ridiculous, greedy, and out of touch concept in the midst of economic crisis' and other problems.
And you still haven't answered the question about Non-Vanity items. Ignoring the topic much?
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Wooker Tosk
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Obviously they are, or it would have been stated 24 hours ago.
Now it's just spin spin spin until we get distracted by new shinies.
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Salomon Kaine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[541]
Edited by: Salomon Kaine on 24/06/2011 21:36:22
Well the only reason I might stay in a limited measure is I have alot of time invested in this game and alot of friends in it.
Would I recommend EVE to a friend? Heck no, I tell them off because I think there effort building a position and social network in the game will be completely wasted if they start now.
What would it take for me to ever recommend EVE to a friend again? When I log in tomorrow the AUR is gone, the NeX icon is gone (the items are added to normal re-customization) and noone at CCP will ever mention the NeX or MT ever again...then there might be a chance I start recommending EVE to my friends again.
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Iulia Badr Marinela
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[542]
Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Ko'rell Cosca
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Medaron Dormu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[543]
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on ********.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
If you feel that this cancellation has been made in error, you can quickly and easily reopen your account by clicking below.
I just don't get it anymore, I don't think CCP does either.
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Arrenslew
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[544]
Was really hoping for an answer. I'll go back to my statement from the threadnarok. I'm a switch/router/firewall guy, do it for a living. If something is not explicitly denied (thus why any router acl ends with deny any/any) it is implicitly allowed.
Goodbye CCP, see you in the text books as "those who cannot learn from others mistakes"
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Tanaka Kharn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:35:00 -
[545]
I love this game. But Im unsubbing all my bitter vet accounts. Im not even angry anymore just sad
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von Diel
Gallente The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[546]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Ok, this'll probably net me a forum ban but:
CCP Zulu you can **** right off and die under a train. You chose to tackle the easy issues and ignore the major issues at hand. Its a bit like complaining that your coffee is too hot while your face is on fire.
We knew what Fearless was and its context, what we want to know is whether its contents are going to become reality.
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Parleion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Dr Zom Many people seem to forget that CCP already had MT in game. I can already use real money to buy an advantage. The controversy is wheither I will be able to buy a unique advantage. I can already use my real money to buy a Titan through PLEX. I can already use my real money to buy faction ammo through PLEX. How CCP would kill themselves is if I could use real money to buy a SUper-Mega-Titan with Sansha-Blood-Serpentis-Unobtanium Ammo, only available with Aurum.
And that is what this devblog did absolutely nothing to address. Yes, we understand that internal newsletters do not constitute company policy. The question we are asking is What is company policy on unique non-vanity items for Aurum?
The titan you're buying also was made by a player. That player is profiting from your buying it. The miner who mined the mineral is profiting off you. The guy who researched the cap part bpos. The guy who made the titan bpc. In this case, you're still keeping the economy of eve fresh.
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Tamahra
Gallente Apina. United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Normbil Edited by: Normbil on 24/06/2011 21:33:49
Originally by: FrankT You could have just said:
Dear Eve Community,
Go **** Yourself
-End Dev Blog
exactly
i canŠt believe whatŠs going on at CCP. But one thing is for sure, they do not deserve my money any longer.
/Tamahra out.
CCP:
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Angel of Night
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[549]
Originally by: CCP Zulu I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
And you sir can go to tell your superior, that ignoring yellow letters bigger than an average cat requires such talent, that I'm obviously in wrong game. If you don't mind, throw him some nice duke'nukem quote about eating turd while you're on it.
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Yldrad
The Dandy KillerS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[550]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
DevBlog title: fearless, virtual goods, and rage So you "adressed" fearless and virtual goods but where are you adressing rage?
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Lassiter Ahashion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[551]
Edited by: Lassiter Ahashion on 24/06/2011 21:58:26 Edited by: Lassiter Ahashion on 24/06/2011 21:38:24 Edited by: Lassiter Ahashion on 24/06/2011 21:37:20
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company."
Ok. So Fearless is not CCP policy or a reliable source of CCP views. That doesn't mean that what was said was inaccurate.
The principal question posed by the majority of the EVE community was whether non-vanity items would be available for purchase with Aurum.
You had a chance to disspell any concerns raised about such an issue but failed to comment. Accordingly, some will presume or, at least, be very troubled that CCP will indeed pursue that option.
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
Please respond to the question that appears to be the most pressing to the EVE community. Anything short of a clear "yes" or "no" will undoubtedly be viewed negatively.
Thank you.
*** Saw CCP Zulu's "response." Result = 2x subs cancelled.
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Edgar Loke
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[552]
I can't help but feel a little insulted by the blog post. That whole bit about how I buy things in real life that fit a particular price point for me and someone with lots more money might run off and spend more on high dollar items, I personally find that insulting. Suddenly, not only do I have to deal with *******s that go out and buy $1000 suits in the real world, but the developers of a game are now telling me I'm too poor to enjoy everything in their fake world?
I've been trying to keep a cool head about this but frankly I feel like I've been attacked as a customer in this blog post.
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Chimaera Abaddon
Celestial Sanctum
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[553]
I have to say, that did not seem to address most (if any) of the issues I've seen brought up (and I've only read bits and pieces of other threads, which makes the response seem bizarre in that context). The response itself seems incredibly dismissive and an attempt to wag the finger at your player base, while it's legitimately concerned about the direction of the company/game. I don't see any reason to believe CCP has an understanding of the situation, the concerns, or that there will be any move to address the issues meaningfully.
I've only recently come back to Eve, after being away for 3 years from the game, and I can't believe I feel compelled to already suspend my subscriptions, but that's what I'll be doing, until such time as I can feel comfortable renewing.
Part of why I got burnt out from Eve was because of situations like this, which were almost always escalated by the responses (or lack thereof) by the company. This seems no different. I'd honestly thought things might have changed from what I'd seen and heard... Some aspects of the game gave me that impression as well. It's why I've been giving it another shot.
But as it stands, right this moment, it seems that in 3 years CCP hasn't grown as a company. The right hand still doesn't seem to know what the left is doing. There is still this struggle with timely, informed and professional responses. There is still only the vaguest indication of the direction the company/game is moving (is there even one?) and with keeping promises or meeting expectations (even in the rare cases where there is an attempt to set them out beforehand).
It feels like an echo of the years before when I played, always two steps forward and three back. I'm honestly, sadly, disappointed. "I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet, strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers." - Kahlil Gibran
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:36:00 -
[554]
Zulu, there are cowards and there are real cowards. The latter is you. You didn't address anything. You know full well that the most important question was whether we'll be paying for in-game advantages.
Congratulations, you ignored it completely while being a whiney little **** over how evil we are to your precious peons.
TL;DR YOU SAID NOTHING.
I'm staying unsubbed, now probably for good. Go rip some other idiot off. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 8 days. |
Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[555]
My god, most of the people ITT are the most entitled, snotty, whiny turds, I've ever had the displeasure of reading comments from.
"Waaaah"-ing about stuff in the shop being too expensive. I hope they make gold plated onesies, and make them cost 400$ and I hope someone buys it, and laughs in the face of everyone who wanted a monocle but couldnt afford one (hint: Make isk, buy plex, buy monocle, you dont need real life $$ for this stuff)
But most of all, some developer, writes a provocative theoretical article in a internal newsletter about what in theory could be done with micro-transactions, from a proponent of micro-transactions perspective. And you people have a massive hissy fit over it? Calling for him to be fired and what not? Get a F'ing grip and calm down, you ******s. It's called brainstorming and it's a part of every (good) organizations toolbox for facilitating discussion and creative thinking, it's not like a sinister roadmap for bending players over and scrooing them for every cent they're worth.
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Silicon Sailor
Northgate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[556]
If you think the Jeans thing was cute... May I remind you of this: The Monacle is the price of a battleship If I take the mass of a real battleship (USS Iowa, picked at random), and sell the iron for scrap, it will cost about $22,543,238.36 Dollars...... If you want to wear $22M Jeans, go for it.....
Look, I, and my bretheren, have had it.
You get the CEO on the line, Or you explain to him why the Flulk his income stream is dropping twds 0 and why a Wall Street Journal reporter keeps calling him, asking for comments on an editorial in the Washington Post entitled "How to comit Corporate Suicide, in 4 easy steps"
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Arya Greywolf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
THIS ^ + 2) WE WANT OLD HANGER VIEW BACK WITH CQ "DISEMBARK" BUTTON
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[558]
Originally by: boeses frettchen
Originally by: Klebzellok 1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Failure to deny = Probable success in confirming, I suspect.
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[559]
Thank you for your response. I will avoid the mass hysteria that has consumed some and hope that this message is not buried under ten thousand others.
Sadly your response does not answer (directly) the question which has been repeated ad nauseam. That being "Will CCP sell game play affecting items such as ships and faction ammo through the NeX".
You have effectively said that matter is still being debated and is therefore an unknown. I will take you at your word.
I am not going to un-sub yet because we do not yet have game affecting items being sold for aurum through NeX. The moment this is not the case I will cancel my two accounts.
I am not going to buy anything through the NeX. It does break immersion which is important to me as an RP'er. Translate the prices to market items paid for ISK and it is just stupid. Sorry, but it is. It is not about buying a better "brand" for your character. It is just that the prices make no sense in game terms.
I like CQ and hope it grows into a more impressive feature.
Good luck with WoD and Dust.
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Voxix Kastlov
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[560]
How dare you address the concerns of thousands of people with smug humour and words which lack any substance after they've waited for days for a proper responce.
I wish your company nothing but misfortune for eternity. May your finances dwindle, your buildings crumble and your tears fall unheeded as all around you withers and sucumbs to the ravages of time. Your empire will fall CCP.
That is all. Silence is deadly... |
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Lynx Amurie
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[561]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
The other concerns are the ones responsible for the 200 page threadnarok, don't make excuses. If you want to have a constructive discussion I suggest bringing out more than a sacrificial lamb to be thrown into the pit of fire. CCP; lying to our faces since 2003 |
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Spacing Cowboy
This response took you 2 days ??
To be honest if you put it in perspective it's a pretty amazing response if you compare it to the patch that took them 5 years....
Walking In Stations/Incarna has been on the table/in development/discussed/planned for 5 years by CCP.
After 5 years of work we got: A room A mirror and a few screens you can click on to open interfaces that already exist in the game, slower than we could open them before.
Mind you, 3D persona interface environments, many of which are equal to, if not superior to, what they just gave us, have been in MMORPG's since 1997.
I mean, when you look at it in comparison to the expansion? I'd say this devblog is pretty damn epic for only 2 days of work :)
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Kalen C'Fean
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[563]
Well, I was going to do a long, in-depth, point-by-point comment on this dev blog, but the forum post limit won't let me, so I'll restrict myself to two key points:
1) This newsletter is fairly clearly not a selection of 'views and opinions', but a vehicle for justifying and/or selling the concept of microtransactions, and not just for vanity items. As should be abundantly clear by now, this is seriously objected to by the playerbase of Eve.
2) The prices of the items that are currently in the NeX store don't equate to $1000 jeans, as is the analogy given. The 'Sterling' Dress Shirt, for example, is 3600 AUR. 1 Plex converts to 3500 AUR. Plexs, on the market where my character is, range from 370-470m ISK. I can get a Raven battleship, in the region where my character is at, for under 100m. So, actually, if you think of a Raven as decent mid-range car, this shirt is like a pair of jeans that costs more than three times what you paid for your car, which, unless you got one hell of a deal on your car, is much, much more than $1000.
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Raster Fain
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[564]
Guys can i say just what was this meant to do?
Did you have any form of plan before releasing this?
Was it your hope this might help make things better?
Cause if you did, you'd best think again. All it's done for me is make me think "what the ****?" Did i really read something where you basically said "we'll charge what we like cause we know some of you will pay it to look "cool" and different from other people"?
F**K ME!! but that's the most self centred stupidest thing you could have done. Your fast running out of good will and trust from me, and your in no way convincing me that i should re-sub when my freeloader time runs out.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[565]
That blog post did exactly the opposite of what you should have done.
On the first topic and its response: you swept the problem under the carpet, AGAIN. The GREED IS GOOD newsletter might have been just for discussions, but the topics discussed are the problem here. Because they are discussing CCP breaking a promise made to the community. By not actually laying these concerns to rest and sidestepping the issue, you have only made them worse.
Incarna launch did NOT go well, perhaps you didn't have much trouble deploying it onto the server, but from a PR and communications perspective its the worst deployment of a patch CCP has ever done. Pre-deployment there was no clear communication between CCP and its players, features were introduced that we didn't ask for, and much loved features were removed. Overall Incarna adds near to no useful features to the game.
On the second topic, Those monocles are virtual items, eve is a hardcore game, its not a game where you can ask 80 dollars for a useless item and expect people to eat it. The prices are completely over the top. This isn't Second Life, and the EVE community would rather prance rare ships around that they got through proper means, than show off some crappy monocles. If you would have priced the monocles at 5 dollars at the most, people would have bought them in droves. by making them outrageously expensive you've only decapitated your own market before it even got released.
All you've proven with this blog is that CCP DOES NOT LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS.
Your community is going crazy over this and you need to make some concrete promises RIGHT THE HELL NOW or it will implode on you. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
Dimension Secretary
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[566]
Well, I think your senior producer is on drugs, what does a 1000$ RL jeans have to do with some faked virtual pixel cloth. a 1000$ jeans might give individuality but not a copyable item in your shop.
It is a pitty you abuse Eve as the testbed for your other developments and your producers just push their own will through. Sadly they forgot where they got their money from.
Compare with other games, clothes are much cheaper. Like: http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/jupiter_01.jpg is 3,50 us$ .
But anyway, who needs such things if others can't see it anyway, is just for sitting on the quarters couch then. And yeah i like CQ, but i can only stare to the boring eve tv while my graphic card heats the room. Why don't you just bring an option to make cq optional and have old docked ship view? Guess most wil lswitch CQ off anyway :P
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:37:00 -
[567]
This says it all:
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/ |
Isis Soryu
Caldari Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[568]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Keep spining that web of lies, you might actually keep the sheep that play.
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ThunderEyes
Amarr ClawsAndTeeth
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[569]
Originally by: REQUIEMSORN came expecting a real response with in depth answers to the most valid concerns.........left disappointed.
This. I'm old enough to tell my son & daughter what my father told me when i was small: IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, THEN DONT SAY ANYTHING.
It covers this blogg post pretty well i think.
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Otebski
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[570]
english zulu do you speak it?
will you introduce non-vanity MT?
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Harpalyce Dynameos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[571]
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
Yeah... I for one am never going to by from the NeX, just like those $1000 Japanese boutique jeans, I see them as ******ed and will never buy them either... But if you really want to **** off the community? WELL IT'S BEING A F#@*!#$ DOUCHE AND SAYING YOU CAN SHOW OFF YOUR BLING! WHICH YOU F*&%##@ CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE ALONE IN A F#$!@#$ ROOM WITH NO ONE TO GET JEALOUS OVER YOUR CRAPPY MONOCLE.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[572]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Do the honorable thing and just resign. You have absolutely no clue. Sure go ahead, let this game die and you'll miss the income to further develop your precious dust and whatever the hell that dumb werewolves game is. I predict here and now that both will never see the light of day.
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Zurioc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[573]
Either Trolling or don't care losing playerbase and getting a new MT base.
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[574]
Corporate suicide
Well done you just killed EvE.
-4 accounts from me when they expire, I know of at least 10 accounts that will also not be renewed.
YOU and YOU alone killed your Golden Goose. Congratulations
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[575]
Originally by: boeses frettchen
Originally by: Klebzellok 1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
*facepalm* what a D!ckweed --- This is the only question you need to answer. READ IT. ANSWER IT. YES? NO? WHAT?
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Calistro
Gallente Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[576]
I am in shock over the poor communication coming out of CCP already. You already, through a very embarrassing post, made it clear that you made a mistake and ask for time. That's fair enough, at least you admitted your mistake. This is then followed up by something that is completely void of any kind of message that seeks to re-conciliate with the community. I can't for the love of me, find the overall theme or 'message' that you wanted to bring in this post, other than "we know better than you". The examples given are either a complete joke or they are simply not applicable at all.
I honestly had expectations of CCP's communication department being up to the task of delivering a message that can actually be understood by the community. What we got was a brief summary of the issues that were picked up, there were comments on the elephant in the room and then an explanation that everyone suffers from this problem. I think your supposed message was that you were "testing the waters and trying to provoke thoughts internally", which would be a genuine believeable excuse if it wasn't for the wording that was used throughout your newsletter. Even the title, "Greed is good?", which you tried to excuse as being the provoking thought and theme of the newsletter is totally wrongfully worded. "Greed is good", with or without the question mark is loaded favourably in for these microtransactions. I have another suggestion: "Is greed really good?".
A highschool student could explain the perception it gives people based on the original wording and given the thought my own department in real life puts into the wordings we use, even in internal communication, this was deliberate and with an agenda. The end result is the same, you want to move into micro-transactions despite having promised the CSM previously that it wouldn't go beyond vanity. The mere fact you are discussing it shows that the business culture of CCP is winning over the responsible and good judging culture. I am in shock.
Recommendation for next time you post a blog that attempts to defuse this situation.
- Define your message, don't be afraid of repeating it - Know your audience - Don't use metaphors
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:38:00 -
[577]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
I do not believe a single word you or any of the other devs post right now. give us a difinitive awnser on the subject of NEX items remaining only vanity items or not by tuesday or lose more accounts.
P.S. Perpetum online is pretty fun and I have found a replacement game to go to.
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[578]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
You missed that train tbh when ignoring everyone for 2 days after the incarna expansion. Come on, how hard can it be to please the internet? You're hardly the first to have a ****storm in your hands.
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Mynex
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[579]
Originally by: boeses frettchen
Originally by: Klebzellok 1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Tactalan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[580]
Thousands of angry posts and that's all you've got to say?
Arrogant doesn't even come close.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[581]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
OK, have a free constructive comment:
Make Nex prices so a single PLEX makes a meaningful improvement for the player i.e., set he prices so a whole set of clothes (feet + bottom + top) = less than 3500 AUR.
That would be ludicrously high compared to industry MT standards, but would be an affordable sacrifice -one PLEX for vanity, why not? People gives them even for charity. But, three plexes for three pieces of virtual cloth? No, no and no.
Specially since we ****ing paid for the development of that crap you will not allow us to use without billing us THREE TIMES
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Mercof Mercy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[582]
CCP has been getting pretty good at getting as close as they could to a line without crossing it. This whole fiasco not only crossed the line, but is pushing a large portion of the eve community over the line aswell. I stopped my subscriptions after they felt the need to bend over nullsec. My plexes will be running out in a couple weeks, and I will not be buying anymore until EVERY issue is addressed, and not BS'd or merely pushed under a rug in a hope we just "forget about it".
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Jennifer Nardieu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[583]
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Harelip Jenkins
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[584]
FREEDOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!
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Yagen
Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[585]
Edited by: Yagen on 24/06/2011 21:49:45 CCP Zulu, as much as I agree with you regarding the public thrashing of the CCP employees (which I participated in) due to the lack of context surrounding the newsletter, this devblog fails to address every single other issue repeated over and over again by :
1) a sizeable portion of your playerbase - a good part of which are trolls but hey... 2) your very own past and present CSM. 3) probably a good part of your own employees.
And no, I'm not calling you out on this. Like CCP Manifest and Pann, you probably only are a PR person thrown to the wolves, and you don't deserve the hate. But your upper management surely does.
[edit : I suggest you point your management out to these posts for an insight into what is actually wrong if they don't have a clue already : - Seleene's blog. - Meissa on recent CCP's ****-ups. - A very detailed point-by-point analysis of what went wrong by a former CSM. - Dierdra's post which also nails it. - Jade Constantine's post which should be quoted to death pretty much everywhere.]
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[586]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
And your DevBlog failed to answer any of the questions we the community want answered right now. So don't ask us to be clam or back down or otherwise tolerate your complete and utter incompetence. If you're so out of touch with the community that you answer a topic partially without even answering the more important questions we're asking, then you should go find another job. Obviously you can't do your current one too well. =/
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Karol Kei
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[587]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Fine. The real issues are unresolved. CCP Pann promised answers, you did't deliver.
Six accounts have been cancelled after this failure to deliver and it is done already. Good luck with WoD and DUST 514. So many games come and go these days that you will likely need all the luck you can get.
All the best,
Sami
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Dante Eistiras
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[588]
Incredibly dissappointed at the response recieved. The main issues were completely ignored and as a paying customer I feel completely insulted at the arrogance displayed by CCP. Unless these issues have been dealt with and an apology has been released I can not honestly see this situation improving in any way.
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Ortam Mcthan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[589]
Suck my **** CCP zulu, your nothing but a peice of **** two bit ***** as anyway.
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Aina O'Sinnor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
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Mizar Alcor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[591]
1.) OK you explained the Memo, great. I didn't put to much stock in it an figured it was some tool like this you guys use and I can understand that. But you know people are not going to believe you at this point, you need strong actions to be posted on what your going to do as well as the excuse. Then act upon said actions swiftly and surely.
2.) The Pants Analogy=Pathetic You know why? Cause the jeans I pay 1000$ for in RL I GET TO WEAR IN RL. Some people still appreciate the fact they have a RL outside this game... your forgetting that.
So to sum up you explained away the letter, gave us a horrible reason why store prices are out of whack ( or inline with ANY other MMO following this model) and ABSOLUTLY told us NOTHING about what your going to do about the real issues here... Great...
I love Incarna, I know what your doing with it and behind the scenes with the game. I know you have a plan that doesn't rotate around taking even more money from us, but your not confirming that for me or anyone here whatsoever, Period. So be prepared for more angry customers and I'm very sure more Un-Subs |
mobius nm
Minmatar Imperativa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[592]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
That's the problem. You didn't address ANY of our concerns. Full Stop.
I honestly can't tell whether CCP is truly this inept, of if you're just gigantic trolls.
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Daemus Ohmiras
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:39:00 -
[593]
This was extremely insulting. I would have rather been left waiting than receive this type of response.
"In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out."
The second sentence in you are offering up this? Is this more of a "these are not the droids you are looking for move" or just a "we have chosen to ignore the technical support section of the site when deciding how successful of a launch we had"? Perhaps CCP's idea of success is how likely they feel the new 'shinies' are to bring in the subs of the golems? Likely more than perhaps from the vibes the customers are getting at the moment.
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company."
When I first started reading up on the newsletter, I was giving CCP the benefit of the doubt. This devblog succeeded in me no longer feeling that way. When CCP'ers were making some forum posts that didn't have any solid info I was patiently waiting for CCP to get a real statement out. You succeeded in that with this blog and all this blog says to me as a player is that the company has no intention of being straighforward about the big issue on everyone's mind. We couldn't even get an honest "Nothing official has been decided regarding your concerns over RMT for in-game advantages that affect the way the game was originally built to be played," statement from the blog. I wouldn't feel nearly as upset as I do now after patiently waiting for someone to put something in stone. CCP forums posts have been dodging giving any answers and now a devblog is put out which is just more of blatant disrespect by CCP for its paying customers.
"While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them."
Why wasn't this in a devblog an hour after the leaked newsletter? There was never a clear statement made that reflected the above so why would you expect your customers to assume it was the way that it is? Any mudslinging you feel has come upon CCP employees over their contributions to the newsletter are just an example of what happens when customers are not given concrete explanations in hour 1 of a crisis. While I don't condone the hate that has popped up for CCP employees so far, you let a fire burn ALOT longer than it needed to. You didn't have to provide answers to all the concerns, except the one over whether or not the newsletter was real and what it actually represents if it is real. Either it is what you say it is now and consists of just internal brainstorming, or you needed some time to sort out your story because of what it really is. Notice the questioning of your honesty right there? Yeah, I wonder where that is coming from? ... and no, at this point you shouldn't be expecting respect in any form beyond the common human decency to refrain from use of excessive expletives.
"Pricing structure"
As ludicrous as your comments on the current NEX pricing were, I am electing to ignore the smokescreen. CCP tagged forum posters consistently bring up the NEX prices in threads that are primarily about the newsletter. Next time, show the respect of making a separate devblog to address two completely separate issues. Diversion tactic, laziness, or complete lack of thought on how it would come across to your customers that have had current pricing shoved down their throat at every possible moment? I have honestly never seen a game company so determined to get people complaining about something before.
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Starkiller Adams
Gallente Interwebs Cooter Explosion Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[594]
i dont even know how to respond to this utter crap you are feeding us
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Wordle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[595]
It's clear that CCP has moved forward with their plans of being a big corporation. Every game big developer has taken steps like this. It's sad, but it was only a matter of time that CCP did the same. Microtransactions are only the first step. It's all about money now. What a shame.
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Lord Cath
Amarr Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[596]
A few points...
First of all, I myself have a huge problem with threats being directed at CCP's staff directly. It's absolutely ******ed and I wish people could voice their opinions and concerns in a constructive but direct way, instead of kindergarten stylee...
But then... dude, seriously. What this blog actually says is :
"After a long internal discussion (at least that's what I hope happened), we here at CCP decided that answering the question "will we enforce P2W int the near or far future" is going to lose us customers, so we are not going to answer it at all. We don't really care too much about our veteran playerbase and we'll do what we want anyway. Have a nice day"
It's a sad thing to see happening, but apparently thats how **** is going to be.
Thx for all the fun CCP, you had the best MMO there was to be found, and I regret **** turning out this way.
-2 accounts's
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Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[597]
This devblog could have saved a lot, but it seems CCP skilled "Pouring gasoline into fires" to 5 in the meantime.
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Urgg Boolean
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[598]
With a blog like that, you guys at CCP have only dug a deeper hole. You have not answered any of the concerns, rather, that blog comes off as arrogant. Pricing in-game clothes as much as real clothes? Ships flying backwards after the previous patch? I think you guys have really lost touch with reality, let alone the player population. I'm not really angry at all, but if you think I will continue to be disrespected by a company that fails to remember how important the paying customers are, you would be mistaken.
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Shang Ty
Degenerate Corp Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[599]
What an absolute insult to your players. It is very obvious to everyone that you really could care less about the community in your game. Thanks for posting a dev blog that is a giant middle finger to your players. Enjoy going the way of SWG did, you certainly deserve everything you have coming to you.
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Pyrus Octavius
Beyond Control. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[600]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Not to insult you, but I think you are really out of touch with reality. You are equating a real life commodity, something you can touch and feel and posses to a piece of digital clothing. Here let me hit you with the reality stick. This is a game, it is intangible, it is not our property, and can be taken away from us at any time. I can't choose to say, hmm, let me take my digital pants with me when I leave the game. I don't own the rights to my digital hip huggers, CCP does. So I am paying you real life money to something you own. How is that fair? If you're going to sell stuff, make the prices realistic. When I say realistic I'm saying you should be in the popper proportion to the scale of the game. I'm willing to pay a plex for a RL Quafe shirt, but not for a digital shirt you own and I can't take with me. Confucius say... "When called an idiot sometimes is better to be quiet than to open mouth and remove all doubt." |
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[601]
Lol, that was funny. The blog was a joke, right? No? Really? You're kidding.
I'm afraid you are sadly out of touch with your game and its community. Clearly your definition of 'smoothly' is different than mine in any event.
Let me help you out here, since you apparently cannot read people very well, even when they (literally) spell it out for you:
Your players feel like you told them "WE HATE YOU". Your blog has a tone which only seems to reinforce with us that this is your sentiment.
Also, though you see us as $1,000 jean wearing cash cows, we will walk rather than be treated as such. I do hope you got the irony of your blog though. Mentioning real-life pants when you sell imaginary computer game pants at the cost of several pair of their real life counterparts.
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Lachesis VII
Amarr The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[602]
All I'm going to say, since so many have said so much already is this:
The main problem facing CCP over the last several years has been one of communication. The buildup to this crisis was well documented; that it happened should come as no surprise. This response proves, without a doubt, how deep the communication deficiency penetrates.
My only hope is that there are still people at CCP who are as angry about this as we are, and that they try to do something from the inside.
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Chogon Toil
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[603]
That blog was the biggest load of garbage I've ever seen. So glad I canceled my subs. I wish I could do it again. Extra cancel them.
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Crexa
Star Mandate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[604]
I call B*ll**** on the supposed speculation nature of this internal pdf. If it was just a disscussion piece, why does it look like a finished "polished" marketing piece. If I produced more than a bullet pointed word document discussion piece maybe with a few flow charts at my work place, I would be asked why i was spending time on graphics.
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Zen Sarum
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:40:00 -
[605]
As I sit watching the Amarr monument getting shot at over the smouldering wrecks of concord ships, by over a 500 angry players. All of which are spamming local and forums and hearing similar tails over the other trade hubs I think..
Does this blog do anything other then insult by utterly missing the point, cheaper vanity items??
CCP need to have a clear and open dialogue followed by a charter for any introduction of MT because today you lost any trust given by us that you even considered our interests as loyal players who are the foundation of this game. At this point I think it is unlikely any further trust on MT will be given and you really need to reassess your direction on this and earn this trust back.
That despite years of feedback from a loyal player base CCP in general just dont 'get it' And from the CSM telling you this and and explaining, you didn't listen
Reap the butterfly.
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Khudin Hadashur
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[606]
Zulu,
Before I start, I appreciate the fact that responses to the various concerns raised have come relatively quick.
Secondly, I completely understand the function of this leaked Fearless edition as in internal document, discussion-starter or what not. This to me was clear from the start and has been underlined in your devblog. It is also completely understandable that Microtransactions was something that needed to be discussed within CCP.
However, the elephant in the room that has not been answered is the contradiction in regards to microtransactions. A communication went out that Microtransactions through the Noble Exchange would not be used for items with actual in-game benefits. Then this document is leaked and seems to indicate the opposite. A reassurance that no in-game benefits will come from Noble Exchange items is, to me, what is lacking in the devblog. This is implied in the second paragraph, but not adressed directly.
The prospect of these in-game benefits for real-life cash making an appearance in EVE is my only concern right now. After all, I and many other players do not like this idea at all. I would much rather pay a monthly subscription in order to avoid it.
If internal discussions within CCP on this issue are still going, I would like to know. If the idea has been outright rejected, I would like to know. Has a decision been postponed or has implementation already been planned? I would like to know.
To me, this right now seems to be the primary concern of the playerbase. An answer to that specific concern would be greatly appreciated.
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Caterpillar
AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[607]
Originally by: Utari G'Denoik
Originally by: Htrag first!
Third, if you want something to really effect your game play, become a major stock holder.
For profits listen to wallets, not mouths.
As a self-proclaimed business expert, here's a question I'd love you to answer.
What is a business with very unhappy or no customers at all?
I'd prefer a short answer if you don't mind.
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Medaron Dormu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[608]
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on ********.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
If you feel that this cancellation has been made in error, you can quickly and easily reopen your account by clicking below.
I just don't get it anymore, I don't think CCP does either. I'm a very casual gamer drawn here by a player driven world. I don't want the items in your store. If you are trying the cater to casual gamers than you've failed. If you are trying to cater to hardcore gamers you've failed because they are the people in this thread or they don't play and are laughing at this event. I don't understand what the thinking is, somebody floating on a golden parachute he just activated?
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[609]
wow, that blog is the most insulting crap I have ever seen customer services provide a paying customer.
**** you ccp ---------
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William Walker
Amarr House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[610]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Please answer them as soon as possible. Thank you. Pleaseee ________________________________________________
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Kersh Marelor
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[611]
You guys totally missed the point again. In what alternate reality do you live that you have enough smugness to start baliing people for raging at your workers after that blog? How lost you've got to be call this crap you call expansion something gorgeous?!
You did not deliver. You had almost 24h to get proper damage control and come up with some reasonable stuff to answer this leak and your general misperformance the past few years. You absolutely failed. Again.
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Alissa Solette
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[612]
Originally by: SlayerOfArgus You cannot compare real life clothing prices to pixel prices.
I agree.
Especially because all items we "own" in EVE technically "belong" to CCP according to the EULA/TOS. So even if a pair of virtual pants give me some degree of satisfaction that does not mean that they are worth the same amount of RL money as a RL pair of pants. After all, I can sell a RL pair of pants again for RL money (even if CCP hf folds tomorrow morning). I can also desice to chop up the pants and sow myself a new bag out of the material. Additionally, my pants are not only for the pure "bling bling" factor but are in fact mainly there to keep me warm. Virtual pants don't do that for you. And the best thing about the 70$ RL pants is that they actually belong to you and not CCP.
Comparing RL pants with EVE online pants is simply insane (and that's a very benign term indeed).
CCP you have seemingly lost all perspective and sense of reality.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[613]
Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 24/06/2011 21:42:52
Quote:
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
No, until you say physically say NeX will not be used to sell game enhancing items like turrets, ammo, sp, standings, ships, boosters, implants.
There will be rage. Just flat out say, from here on out NeX will be vanity items only, and nothing else.
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Orphan World
Kitzless
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[614]
Edited by: Orphan World on 24/06/2011 21:42:09
I feel physically ill...
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Link Resistor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[615]
I am amused they say this was the best expansion so far....
It is so great I can no longer log into the client. I can not even get to the log in screen with the client.
Yeah great freaking expansion patch. Giving me something I don't want or need in a "space ship game", the ability to freaking walk around in station.....
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Trinneth
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[616]
Originally by: CCP Manifest However, I feel like none of the concerns of the community have been addressed. Worse, I feel like these concerns are being swept under the rug, and even treated with outright contempt.
That was not on purpose and I sincerely apologize for that.
It's on purpose now though, right?
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Jon D'Agrvainio
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[617]
Edited by: Jon D''Agrvainio on 24/06/2011 22:04:34 Edited by: Jon D''Agrvainio on 24/06/2011 22:03:50 I just wanted to thank the people responsible for writing what was easily the funniest EVE Online Dev Blog I have ever read. For a little while I was actually concerned that you folks would be apologetic and seek to assuage the rampant anger of your subscriber base; for a moment I worried that you would handle this series of setbacks and failures with as much grace and directness as did Sony with theirs.
Fortunately for me and my love on the chaos your ample and brilliant mistakes inspire, however, you would have none of that. Your disconnected hubris and self-righteousness have won the day yet again, and you managed to write a Dev Blog that could effectively have the same impact as one that read "Suck it, nerds!" Every time I think CCP might have matured a little, at the very least enough to begin learning from their myriad mistakes, you all pleasantly surprise me with you commitment to disappointment, sending your lifeblood, your EVE Community, into spiraling fits of rage and protest.
Thank you for the entertainment I've had with your game over the past few years, but the time has finally come to drop it with no intent to return. You have made it amply clear that you have no interest in attending the actual concerns of your playerbase, and between "Greed is Good" and the other various indicators that you have dropped all pretense of being a company that cares about their product and its user (as a close friend who is also done with EVE forever put it, "they really are a greedy scumbag soul-sucking corporation that I want no part of"), our time together must come to an end.
Hopefully this latest and greatest fiasco will finally cripple CCP to a degree from which it will not recover. Even if it does not, I have had my fun. CCP employees do need to pray that they maintain their iron grasp on the Internet Spaceships MMO niche, however, for I am certain that any competition would leave this company destitute.
Anyway, thanks to you Zulu for the laughs, here's to a community outcry that leaves this company broken.
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Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[618]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion.
I get that you guys are swamped, but not answering the most important question of them all:
"Will AURUM be going past vanity or not?"
Is a poor life choice decision, please answer it.
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Hannchin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:41:00 -
[619]
I was hoping that upon reading this blog I would be able to take some answers away from it. I understand that Fearlessis an internal newsletter. I read it with that in mind. You have a 7 year old game here that uses a subscription model which has led it to fantastic heights especially with how open you would be as a company and would truly listen to your users. However, this dev blog nearly proved to me and many others that you are not listening to what works and what does not and what the community wants. The community is what drives this game. It drives the economy, it drives the gameplay, it drives the experience. It drives your company. Without subs, you as a company would cease to exist. Therefore you as a company must listen to your community and respond to them. They are sending a clear message today and you must respond to them. Not by sidelining the main issue but by both tacking it head on and apologising to your community.
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Yoruichi kun
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[620]
Well better cancel the rent contract for the opera house where you wanted hold your fanfest2012.....
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Cailais
Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[621]
I write this knowing that for now it will be lost in the tumult of the threadnaught that follows.
I write this for posterity. So that others who come this way may look upon the ruin of CCP and know that in their hubris they spat upon their fans.
Remember us, those few who had a dream that was EVE. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. And I fear that it will not survive the winter.
C.
'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[622]
It won't sink in. Just sits on the edge of my mind going "WTF CCP?!?!"
I knew you were isolated from the real world, but wow, just wow.
Do you have enough cash to last another 18 months without Eve backing you up? Is that why you come with this hubris?
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Valthax Kelkore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[623]
Edited by: Valthax Kelkore on 24/06/2011 21:43:31 Massive load of fluff.
Where are the solid answers?
Where is CCP's stance on MT's outside of vanity items?
No word on making CQ optional?
Great job overextending your finances, CCP. That's what this situation appears to be. Why else would you say this:
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale."
It seems your more interested in screwing over the people who built you up to where you are today in future installments of MT's. And why? In order to finance two projects few of us will have much interest in.
"I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog."
No, and so what... Apparently it will do nothing to further the resolution of the actual issues you're ignoring in your blog.
Thanks for absolutely nothing.
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M4sterm1nd
The Grimreapers.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[624]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
I feel you're missing the point. The store and the newsletter are the evidence, not the case. Trying to abate frustrations by tackling the evidence does nothing to address the actual issue, and belies a fundamental misunderstanding of what's going on.
Please put out a memo, blog, a banner add for all I care, but show that you are taking the issues seriously. Put aside the evidenciary matters for a minute and speak to the motivations of the protesters. Players in Eve are a proud people, and you've just put their pride up for sale.
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Khrias
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[625]
Zulu seems to be confused here. We absolutely have a right to be disgruntled by what seems to be an internal push for functional MT in the future, even if it is just opinion or brainstorming at this point. We are not your friends, we are not your family, we are your CUSTOMERS. YOUR job is to respond to what WE want, not the other way around. It seems you have forgotten this; without an official statement regarding future policy on functional MTs and judging on the responses in this and the other massive thread I suspect you will see a severe drop in subscriptions unless you regain your focus on your playerbase.
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Melkath Bandrom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[626]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Nice attempt to backpeddle and detract/deflect the TRUTH of the matter. It was a BIG FU post and u damned well know it. Sorry to not be one of ur fanboi's but i won't follow anyone who slaps the userbase in the face like that. Have a nice evening!
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Ronaldo Carrare
RR Financial Services
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[627]
I think we're well past discussing things the nice way with you CCP, you have chosen the dark path, the road of solitude and despair, you are a lost cause. I will say many prayers for you.
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Everseeker
Caldari Northgate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[628]
<thinks>Why you little ****ant You ****ing scantimonious little ****
**** you and the pig you rode in on
Decendant of the noble Norsemen my ass.... Pah </thinks>
<says> Thank you, may I have another </says>
Can't SAY what I think or the banstick will come out --
EverSeeker |
Tanhar
Gallente Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[629]
I hate when people write like this in forums, but I just can't express my feelings.
WHAT A FAIL BLOG.
Whatever reasons made you, Zulu, to write this crap, you are in a stinky dirt in my eyes now.
So only bad thing about that newsletter was that some persons in CCP are holy martyrs now... They "were asked", you see...WHY NO ONE was asked to voice the simple question "We kinda made the promise, how about that ?". Rhetoric question by now, I know.
Actually, I enjoyed this threadnaught, not because I love trolls and tears, I hate them actually. But because amongst usual noise there were extremely well written texts full of involvement, knowledge and feeling for a game. You have ignored them. Big deal, ignorance is a core of CCP, it is now clearer than a sun at solstice.
Let the Rome burn.
If it is indeed it's destiny, at least we can have some final freaky fun out of it.
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Romeda
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[630]
Dis-aster. In other words, Zulu just told us to go f**k ourselves. I'm not impressed CCP what has gotten into you lot?
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[631]
CCP Zulu, I am lost for words. So I am not going to spend any on you. Go back to your office. We dont want to talk to you. We are NOT satisfied until we get a devblog from Hilmar himself.
4 accounts terminated.
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Lain Runner
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[632]
Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!
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Gnaw LF
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[633]
Wow, Zulu you must think we are all ******ed. Nice, stay classy.
Let me address some points you have made in your blog. You called Incarna your most successful expansion. If by successful you mean non-functional damage modules, a cyno jammer exploit, undocumented changes to scanning, increase computer requirements to handle new CQ and decreased functionality due to new CQ (more functions in CQ but the ability to use those functions is marred by poor implementation) then yes your new expansion is a run away success. Pat yourself on the back.
Now onto Fearless, are you surprised that people had a bad reaction to it? Yeah, it might have been a simple discussion on a controversial topic but considering the outrage about the Aurumn store and the "Monetarization" of 3rd Party Apps can you blame us for seeing the wrong possible outcome? Oh ****, you can. In fact you did by playing the victim. Oh poor developers and CCP employees who dared to voices their concerns on this topic, all they did was give their 2 cents and help out the company. Well, boo ****ing hooo. You are the vendor, you make a poor release with 60$ novelty items then you want to charge 3rd party developers, the very people who make your game playable a 99$ dollar fee and now you play the victim? Get over yourselves, if this was a misunderstanding then simply apologize and say that the timing is bad. Dont turn it on back on the players, it is your own damn fault for poor PR handling.
The last thing, the Aurumn store. You compare in game vanity items to real world vanity items. There is one major difference, a 1000$ unit of jeans in real world will have the actual application of PROTECTING US FROM THE ELEMENTS. Where you vanity **** costs 4 months of subscription and is just that, ****. Oh and guess what? There was a blog by CCP D-Bag on the vanity items in Incarna and at the bottom of the blog it says that more info and pricing is coming soon. They never did, we never learned of the pricing until the expansion was live on the server. So maybe there is someone who is at fault here, maybe there would not be all this outcry over vanity item pricing if some CCP D-Bag made good on his promise and provided the player base with the prices. Check out the blog by CCP D-bag right here: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Have a nice day.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
[634]
To be honest, this is quite funny. I have never seen a blog say so little yet anger so many.
I want to be straight with you CCP. Your going to lose your cash cow. You funding for Dust 514 and WoD will dry up very fast if you continue with this course. Your Blog did not mention MT for "power-ups", whether they will be added or not. One can assume that this means they will be added in the future. If you go beyond Vanity items for MT you will lose a lot of your subscriber base. Not a single person in game I have spoken to has lasted more then 3 months in a game that has converted to MT.
Your in love with MT, we can see that. What your not getting is that Eve is not a normal MMO. The player base you have will not jump on the MT bandwagon. They will leave this game. I believe your looking at this and thinking that you will retain subs, add more and get even more income from MT. Instead your setting yourself up for a situation where your losing subs, reducing the number of new subs and having little to no one use your new MT system.
A question, how many purchases off the Nobel Exchange have there been since launch? How many did you bean counters expect? I would hazard a guess that the results have been less then spectacular. It will only get worse.
This is enough from me on the subjuct, This will get lost in the rest of the noise but I can only hope that someone reads this and actually thinks about what your doing and where your reading instead of running off a cliff believing you can fly.
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Valek Noor
Amarr Eternal Phoenix Rises The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[635]
disgusting reply.
i wonder how many pages of the threadnought you read yourself, or did you have someone read it for you and summarize?
CCP are in trouble here, one of the best damm games out there cause your different to everyone else and you wanna copy them??
Who seriously is in charge and making these descisions, its this person we wanna here from, the person who teid your hands behind your back. the head honcho, the main man.
Hilmar.
We want him to speak to us and ASAP leaving this over a weekend with that as your offering is just wrong, i do feel sorry for you having to sort this mess out but it is of your own makings.
remember you have a special game and special community here, the average eve player has an above average IQ, we are not morons after 8 years you should have worked this out by now.
I want to here from Hilmar and on one else over this cause its way out of the hands of mere mortals now.
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Thaylon Sen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[636]
Pathetic response from CCP
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Swren1
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[637]
Its a sad day, my accounts are unsubbed, you will not be gettign any money from me now.
5 Years was fun.
I will wait and see how things pan out for the slim hope that you will bring back the old station view and hopefully have a serious think about this money grabbing scheme.
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MissyDark
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[638]
F you too.
Unsubbed.
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Zalhanan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[639]
This whole thing stinks of the SWG NGE and these comments remind me of John Smedly. 'It not our fault for doing it! It's YOUR fault for not liking it!'
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[640]
And just to comment on the Fearless thing. Fear is good sometimes. It keeps us from walking in front of buses, stepping into the lions exhibit at the zoo, and making dramatic changes to an MMO that the community is almost entirely against.
I'm not sure if you know what's really at stake here. Not only could people quit EVE in droves, but the CCP brand could be damaged by this to the extent that it carries over to any other CCP projects as well. You could become a microtransaction pariah. An example to other companies of what not to do.
I sincerely hope this doesn't happen.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[641]
I would have expected at least some eloquence in CCP committing social suicide at this point but I see nothing but smug and a complete detachment from reality.
I hope that smug can pay your bills as your company crumbles around you. You just lost 2 accounts, my main will remain for now to keep opening the eyes of others to the cancer that has overrun you.
You had a chance and you chose to spit in the face of your community. I hope you like the view from inside as we tear it down collectively. The file size of your signature is too large. Please use a smaller file - Failout |
Zolacar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[642]
Originally by: Lain Runner Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!
I think they just did!
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oniplE
MeMento.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:43:00 -
[643]
This blog is a disgrace. __________________________________________ Signature starts here |
Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[644]
THIS IS MADNESS !!
CCP Zulu I think you should re-evalutate why you joined THIS company and not any other
do it by drinking more beer with eve players and kill the braincells that shout:
SHOW ME THE CASH !!
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[645]
I hope you didint just indirectly compare 70$ virtual monocle to 50$ real life pants? Your delusional and out of contact with real life then.
My current out fit (shoes,pants,shirt and underwear) costs less then your damn virtual monocle.
Well what i didint see you write was about those game changing items NOT comeing to MT store. This is the issue your player base is up on arms and ready to burn people on stakes.
I hope recent protest shows you fellows how out of touch you are with your fanbase, you need correct your mistakes and start talking to your customers again, and dont stop talking untill your sure you really really know what your customers want.
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Chris Otsada
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[646]
Edited by: Chris Otsada on 24/06/2011 21:59:27 Edited by: Chris Otsada on 24/06/2011 21:48:31 Edited by: Chris Otsada on 24/06/2011 21:46:53
Originally by: CCP Zulu
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion.
Thanks, Arnar
I would rather have something muddled and tricky to read and interpret other than having the idea running around in CCP that people with huge bank accounts can buy whatever the frak they want. Those of us that actually have to work for a living want, NEED, to be on the same playing field that everyone else is on. Either clarify that you are going to frak over the little guys or tell us that this "thought" has been squished in it's path.
The thought of paying as much as a Raven for a skirt is f*king ******ed. Who in there right mind would pay $80,000,000 for a damn skirt?
Also, 48 hours for a PR statement? I'm pretty sure any other company with a PR f*k up this bad would be all over that within a matter of hours. Can you imagine if President Bush would have waited 48 hours before making a statement about 9/11?
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[647]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
we have tried telling you things construcivly for months, you do not care. its very clear your only intrested in milking the cash cow.
screw the price of the MT shop. its of no importance and tbh it really only shows your greed, but currently gives no one an advantage so who actually gives a ****.
you quite clearly have lied about the direction you want MT to go and what your willing to sell for for cash.
incarna is a dog of a patch and for you to call it succesful only shows your lack of ingame experiance and knowledge.
1.incarna and CQ should be optional and not detract away from game fucntionality. both of these points need adressing quickly or you will loose players.
2. no in game advantage, items, services or products to be sold no matter what you charge for them
address these 2 points and all will be well. dont address them and your cash cow will wander off down the street and die to a passing MMO and you will be out of a job. was that construcive enough?
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Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[648]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Please do not take this the wrong way, but considering circumstances and events & trends, the devblog was insulting. I understand you want to split things up, that makes sense, but the prioritisation here has gone terribly wrong.
On top of that, what is the point of "discussing". We have seen CCP discuss with the CSM, sure, and they were lied to. They were even misrepresented by CCP publicly. We have also seen the discussions CCP has had on these forums, and in media, and at fanfest.
But every piece of "talk" has been met with a different "action".
I am not addressing this to you as a person, but to CCP as a company. How dumb do you think people are? And even worse, how much do you take for granted the simple given fact that we want to believe, we want to share the dream, but you lie to us, manipulate us - in spite of the best intentions of good people at CCP there is something that snaps the company into a pattern of excess which does not reflect its origins nor its company values.
This is not your NGE. But you just decided to not be CCP anymore. And walking from here, now really does carry the risk of an NGE.
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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Korerin Mayul
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[649]
Edited by: Korerin Mayul on 24/06/2011 21:46:02
Originally by: CCP Zulu
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion.
messaging tricky and muddled eh? sooooooo.... better then usual then?
i can wait... i was on a three month sub
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[650]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
DUDE WTF
HOW CAN YOU KNOW, KNOW we are ****ed and NOT say that **** at the start, where the **** did you learn to talk to anyone? WHEN WILL YOU ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS?
I ..
***** Signature may appear without warning! ***** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[651]
CCP Zulu, this dev blog could have fixed a lot of issue's...
Its not like you had ... 3 days to write something down, get it checked out...
And you , royal.. i might say, royal .. ****ed it up like this?
-epic- ..
CCP trolling, best trolling i guess
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Kahza Kado
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:44:00 -
[652]
Originally by: Aineko MacxIt's working!
~Qoute~
No, it's not. It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder, I'm wasting time with extremely childish antics that get no one anywhere.
Really, this needs to stop.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
~/end Quote~
So.. I take it you wasted your time? No, I mean REALLY! Because this crap you just released shows US (the paying community), that you chose to partake in the childish antics to defend opinions and suppositions (which HAVE BEEN VERIFIED THROUGH YOUR SILENCE AND INEPTITUDE AT LISTENING!) of people that are just as disillusioned as you are. My dear sir, the ****storm is not just pointed at them. IT IS POINTED AT CCP AS A WHOLE! And this includes you!
HOW DARE YOU! We, the people who pay your salaries through subscriptions and plex purchases, deserve a better answer than a giant F.U. If you can't answer a simple question because you don't know, then say so.. don't shy away from the answer. And by all means don't answer our calls for clarity with a half assed defense of your co-workers doing their job (whether it was exaggerated or not). Clearly if anyone there were doing their jobs this would not have happened.
~Quote~
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Thanks,
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
~/end Quote~
I hope you really mean this and if you do I really hope you packed a pair of pajamas, toothbrush, and your furry bunny slippers because your going to be monitoring for a loooong time over this. And the replies had best be better than F.U.!
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Jitorius
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:45:00 -
[653]
+1 customer asking about CCP's official stance on "Will any MT happen that are not about vanity items?"
And yeah, more ship fitting save slots are not vanity items for my taste. They might not be game relevant as in win-or-lose, but they definitely are not vanity stuff.
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Gordon Hellbender
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:45:00 -
[654]
As stated by several in this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065
This dev blog is disgusting, condensing, trash. Never would have expected this.
Not only does it completely miss the point, it actually adds fuel to the fire! I hope Zulu gets fired because he just cost CCP a LOT of paid accounts.
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wingman01
Caldari Seedless Inc Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:45:00 -
[655]
Bravo,
Zulu explained it perfectly. For many though, they are unable to grasp the context and are blowing it well out of the water. Reality check people! No conspiracy here!
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Lord o'Darkness
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:45:00 -
[656]
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
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Teya Ihara
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:45:00 -
[657]
I believe the Devblog missed the point a little.
Personally I had already assumed exactly what was said about your internal newsletter. The points were meant to be argued in a somewhat over-the-top manner to spark debate and thinking about the topic, in fact I'd assume some of the points argued aren't even the real opinions of those involved, but meant to spark ideas in others. I've found the outrage at individuals both amusing and kinda disappointing. That said I think CCP needs to reply to the actual, legitimate concerns some players have:
- Address the 800lb gorilla in the room. I honestly don't care(nor do most) about your AUR pricing scheme for vanity items, I may or may not buy them, depending on my personal perception of value. What needs to be addressed is.... "Will Money Transfer ever(in the foreseeable future) be used for non-vanity items"? period. An answer to that question is needed. Adding in some ideas for what you think are acceptable RMT items for the AUR system would also help calm some people the hell down.
- Personally, I like the CQ and would leave it on, I don't necessarily want a disembark system with the old hangar as the primary loaded station view which I would then have to click past to GET to CQ. I also don't find this a reasonable request, countless dev hours have gone into it, I doubt it would be put on a back burner like that. However, an option to re-instate the old hangar system through the menu option to not load CQ would be very much appreciated by many. The question then is "Is CCP able and willing to re-add the old hangar view as an option for those unable or unwilling to load the WiS content" and is that something that is sustainable going forward? So added to that is "Will WiS remain an optional EVE feature"?
I'm sure there's much going on behind the scenes to fix performance issues, and that should hopefully be addressed. Currently the CQ is a resource hog, which would be near impossible to implement IMO on a larger scale. Taking heat readings and DXdiag configs is a start, some of us have no issues, especially running single client, but for those that ARE having troubles a quick blurb about it would be nice.
I don't care one way or another about the status of forum poster's accounts, so none of that junk from me. It's unfortunate there is so much flaming, my post will likely be lost to the threadnaught, limiting the possibility of actually getting answers to reasonable questions.
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pk blinder
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:45:00 -
[658]
Been playing since 2003 and loved this immersive game of internet spaceships. CCP were always close to their fan base and worked hard to get the game right and balanced.
But recently it feels as though Eve has become the company cash cow, purely there to finance their other investments at minimal expenditure.
I really could not give a flying frig about your plans for "SIMS in Stations" or ridiculous Noble Store. I do care about the complete lack of development on the core game, impact on game play introduced by the undesired expansion and the potential threat of buying an in game advantage with RL money.
Your response is crass and displays the degree of contempt that CCP holds for their paying customers. You obviously dont care, about individuals, just number of net subscribers.
With 8 years invested in playing EVE, I am loath to leave, so its time for some public disobediance in game.
Any other company would be firing the senior exec right about now as well. Its one thing to make a huge mistake, quite another to compound it with arrogance. PK
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WhiskeyDP
Gallente The Druids Green Robe Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:45:00 -
[659]
Edited by: WhiskeyDP on 24/06/2011 22:11:16
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks,
Arnar
a simple YES or NO on this question: Will MT be used for in game advancement/advantages? would be enough ==================
=== eve is not all about isk, its about enjoying the game. lots of iskies is not the same as enjoying the game |
KnowUsByTheDead
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[660]
I am a new player on EVE. I don't presume to have the same feelings about this as those of you who are 7+ year vets. What I do know, is that games, especially games I pay monthly to play have to work to be able to play them. Incarna Day 1: Had to wait hours to play, only to have to re-download a 5 gigabyte game client. Incarna Day 2: Get on to play and lose my cursor 4 different times. Incarna Day 3: Go to stop my ship with CTRL - SPACE, and guess what? Can't stop my ship. Not even with the contextual. Incarna Day 4: Watch as the player base lynches the CCP dev team. I may not know much about EVE, but I have been playing games my entire life. Last I knew, games were about art, player interaction, and enjoyment. How can people be asked to pay for and enjoy this game, when you are trying to crash it into the ground? Take the DICE game studio for instance. When they said they would release the Physical Warfare Pack to those who pre-ordered Battlefield 3, the community was in an outrage because not everyone pre-orders, and those who didn't would not get several new weapons. So to solve the outrage, they made it free to all players on launch day.
I am in no way saying that anything should be free. What I am saying however is that your player base is what keeps you in a job. Nothing less, nothing more. When you **** on your community, you lose money. But I suppose that basic marketing skills are not high on a the quest to become a developer.
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Zolacar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[661]
Originally by: Zolacar
Originally by: Lain Runner Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!
I think they just did!
HAHA i just got this email ... and this is what happened to SWG
As of September 15, 2011, the SWG MMO and Trading Card Game will no longer be available for sale or subscription at both retail and all online digital retailers. All billing for active subscribers with accounts in good standing, except for Station Access subscribers, will end on October 15, 2011.
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Sandar Orontur
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[662]
THAT is the answer it took you SO LONG to publish?
Have you had a previous career as politician? You perfectly avoided ANY real answer to the points which your paying customers (those remaining, that is) are concerned, sorry, rather: RAGING about?
I'd bet that non-reply will loose you more subscriptions than even not answering our questions at all. Oh, wait... you did, just with more words.
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Kahldor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[663]
WHO THE **** IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WEAR A $1000 PAIR OF ****ING JEANS?
I used to respect CCP and the game they created but after that dev blog you guys showed you are no better than the greedy ****ing politicians in Washington D.C!!!
**** you CCP
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Nozomi nrvqsr
Gensokyo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[664]
Yeah, f.u.c.k you too, CCP.
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Mekhana
Gallente Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[665]
Maybe in Iceland you do business differently than in Brazil but if I was addressing clients that way I'd be out a job.
Hopefully you guys manage to learn how serious this situation really is and how important your customers are to you.
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George Wilkes Hill
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[666]
Originally by: oniplE This blog is a disgrace.
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The Envy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[667]
Lot of talk about what "we" want, but what I want is for Captains Quarters to be 100% optional... forever!
I want to be able to stay in my ship all naked and warm inside my goo.
If I wanted to walk around I can either play WoW, SL or Entropia or step out of my capsule and let the joy of vacuum dry my corpse for someone else to have thier way with.
For those who are angry about NeX, HTFU. If you don't like the prices, DON'T BUY THE GOODS. If demand drops for vanity items, then prices will drop.
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BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[668]
... You must be kidding ? Right ?
Or maybe you haven't read that we dont give a f*ck of the NeX or the CQ but that it was a whole year of frustration that is coming to you in one week.
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Volkon
Caldari Eternal Night Dynamics
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[669]
Originally by: CCP Zulu I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
You best go re write your blog if thats the case, as your current one clearly doesnt cover any of the concerns of your community...
wtf have you done to Eve, take me back to Exodus anyday, its a real shame.
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Selephena Harcott
SpaceBalls Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:46:00 -
[670]
"Basically eve player go drop your trousers and bend over we will do what we want with the game, we can get enough new subscribers with our shiny toys"
So 5+ year player saying thanks for giving me a reason to un-sub, anyone know any other mmorpg's that don't have money grabbing bstereds running it?
-3 subs
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Hel Xaphod
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:47:00 -
[671]
CCP_Zulu, you did not address the main concern. You insult us by wasting our time. We were told no MT in Eve, and that was a lie. Why should we believe anything will be off limits for MT now?
I swear, it's impossible for me to comprehend how you can defend an employee that has shown such contempt for the customers. Some of us golden goose cash cows actually have feelings. The hate he is being shown is well earned, and the contempt of a "reply" that answers none of the core issues is not much better.
It's like you can't even see what Eve is anymore, like you've lost touch with the very things that made it worth playing and set it apart. Eve was unique, and look what you are doing to it now.
It's a shame, a real waste.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:47:00 -
[672]
THESE ARE OUR CONCERNS, ADRESS THEM:
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
Dnai Hsrang
Caldari Cardinal Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:47:00 -
[673]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Then edit the Blog to say that so you take down the frustration level instead of increasing it.
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Yblarbo Janks
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:47:00 -
[674]
I know it doesn't have to be said again, but I'll say it.
This blog totally missed the point, and all you did was make more cash cows loose hope, and start looking for other pastures.
A Bear without Hair ain't Fair. Ask CCP where your chest hair is!
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Harleen Frances Quinzel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:47:00 -
[675]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Iron Eagle
Therapy. The Fourth District
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[676]
Zulu, you're a terrible poaster. I could write a better failblog. Nice try though.
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Taowulf Casternavas
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[677]
Funny part is that you talk about "fearless" being a company value and you LOOOOVE to talk about how CCP succeeded because they actually bucked MMORPG trends and yet this is the only defense? "Everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't we?"
All in all, this response shows about 2 minutes was spent on it, not days. It also shows a complete and utter disregard for the main concerns. And where has the interaction with CSM been? You let us elect the CSM (TBH, i wasn't active at the time) but now you ignore them when they could very succinctly let you know what the Big DealÖ is really about?
Poor poor poor.
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KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy The Phoenix. Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[678]
Wow CCP. Way to avoid the issue. This isn't the answer we were looking for, and all you've managed to do is burn the last standing bridges with the community. You really need to get your **** together. ----------------------------------------
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[679]
10/10 CCP, after 5 solid years, I have absolutely 0 plans to come back. not just that I really want to see you crash and burn for this.
Nice blog Zulu, very nice: Hey eve players, I will completely ignore the points everyone wants me to address and tell you all to go **** yourselves, oh and go buy our worthless 70ú monocles in a game about spaceships.
How about all the people that want hangar view back? What about the questions about non vanity items for aur? What about you complete lack of respect for people who got you this far and pay your wage. FOR 8 ****ING YEARS. What about all other points that people want addressed?
I will reply with same to you: Go **** yourselves.
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Marcus Aurelijus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[680]
Edited by: Marcus Aurelijus on 24/06/2011 22:03:41 edit: real comment 2 pages down. Weird stutter
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[681]
So, I guess nothing from Pann's thread with Manifest reading it and then Fallout telling us to play nice so he can do more reading as compared to cleaning up made it through to the big wigs? The response seems woefully inadequate and laughable. People are unhappy and we're told that $1k jeans are cool... CCP, are you reading the same forums I am?
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Grog Drinker
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[682]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The one and only thing that matters...
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Vherik Askold
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[683]
Compare the incarana launch we had, with what we could have seen:
Eve let you set graphic options for WiS and FiS seperately. Load station environment was a permanent feature, not a temporary stopgap. You kept the old hangar view and could disembark to the new WiS if needed. Performance hits wouldn't have been as bad.
4 different CQ available, one per race.
Vanity clothing available at $1-50 each. Selection of 50+ items. The vast majority at lower price points ($1-$5), with some luxury items at the $30-50 for the superrich.
10-20 alternate ship skins for popular hulls. $1 gets you a 1-run bpc to produce the ship (exact same minerals and stats as regular, just different look). $3 gets you a 5-run BPC.
A commitment to continue with vanity only MT at eve, with price points across the entire spectrum.
Can you imagine how much money Eve would have made under those circumstances? Can you understand how different community opinion would have been?
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Now, look at the difficulty for each of those options. Different settings would be fairly easy. How difficult is it to create a 3d environment of a single room for 4 races? Clothing isn't that hard to design that all the items are at their current pricepoint. You'd want to have cheap items to get buy-in from customers. This never should have been launched with such a limited selection and poor pricing.
Re-skinning an existing ship would involve changing colors on the different layers they use. A competent artist could create alternate color schemes for quite a few ships fairly easily. More complex skins with actual different patterns could be developed as time permits. Creating the actual BPC is maybe 5 minutes work.....
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Aarin Wrath
Caldari East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[684]
What? that's it? Wow you guys really don't have a clue about whats really going on do you?
What a bunch of incompetent buffoons.
Time to find a new MMO.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[685]
We asked you nicely, we asked you politely, we asked you angrily, we raged, we begged, we pleaded, and you refused to lower the gun that you slowly raised to your heads over these years. All you had to do was make one simple promise; a promise not to engage in non-vanity Micro Transactions. It's not even a hard promise to make or keep, unless you never had any intent not to do it in the first place. This would have lowered the gun away from your head.
Instead of that, you made Zulu pull the trigger.
I'm done with you. You, as an organization, never had any intent to listen to our words. Fine; listen to our cancellations. Game Over. We ALL lose. Good day, sir.
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Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[686]
You've had your chance Zulu. let Turbefield speak!
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Rui Morin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[687]
Originally by: MissyDark
F you too.
Unsubbed.
Heh, I did the same after reading that dev blog.
Want my stuff? Too late!
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
You know why they are not going to answer this question? Because they can't answer you a no.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:48:00 -
[689]
it has now come out that CCP is planning on selling skillpoints in the NeX.
Their bet is that some idiots buying $1,000 worth of SP will offset all the thousands of people leaving eve over this.
Not gonna work.
CCP lied, EVE died.
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Dazamin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[690]
Worst. Devblog. Ever. Seriously, the disconnect between CCP and their playerbase is very worrying
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Eoghan Gorthaur
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[691]
Amazing! If this is the best that the senior producer can write in couple of days... no wonder the way this old love its taking.
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sad day, but i guess there is life after eve. bye
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Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[692]
This devblog merely confirms our worst fears - it does not answer the questions we have clearly asked - it does not refute anything we are unhappy about.
CCP thinks they're right on track.
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Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
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Eric Deloitte
The Flowing Penguins
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[694]
I'm ok with this Dev Blog, the full version of the leaked PDF reads very much like part of a larger discussion and its a discussion I think is right and proper that they had
Even the title
Greed is Good ?
Lays this out it's a question not a statement.
When CCP changed mission loot I was unhappy but it worked out fine When CCP changed PI I was unhappy but it worked out fine When CCP changed Agent Standing I was unhappy but it worked out fine When CCP changed learning skills I was unhappy but it worked out fine
Now CCP have introduced Incarna, I'm not completely happy with it, but fully expect it'll work out fine
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Brokers Clone
Amarr Northgate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[695]
Originally by: Lain Runner Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!
WILL they
Dude, check your Six.... they just DID
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kannilaw
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[696]
Edited by: kannilaw on 24/06/2011 22:09:13 Edited by: kannilaw on 24/06/2011 22:07:29 Edited by: kannilaw on 24/06/2011 22:01:25 you guys at CCP just don't get it for years you have told us in your eula that real money trading for in game items is a violation now you sit here and break your own rules And expect us not to be upset where does it end ???? it is just crappy virtual clothes or are you going to sell the i win button with indestructible ships truth is you don't even know how far you have opened the flood gate the macros will love this real money trading crap they will even figure out a way to convert isk back to cash at a rate higher than they are already doing personally i don't give a crap about clothes or monocles I do give a crap about special implants or guns that you can only get with Aurium unless you intend to buy out those of us not happy with the way you are running things with real cash for our isk and characters and items etc...etc Bottom line is this game was not intended to be like all the others real money aside from the subscription fees should not play a part in eve plex should be used for game time period that system was working fine If you can't understand why your loyal followers are ****ed off maybe its time you poked your head out of your office and ask the people that pay your salary what they want i will tell you they don't want WOW They don't want to go bankrupt trying to stay ahead of the curve In short the players of eve want what they pay for ie..... when is the last time you added more missions or newer ships etc or opened up a new section of 0.0 space for people to fight over I have been a loyal player since 2007 But, looking at he way this game is headed its an abyss of the same old same old We choose to play this game cause it is like no other have 7 accounts that i have started over the years so that i can take advantage of all eve has to offer this used to be a game of fly by the seat of your pants choose your path and run with it to be the best you can become I fear now it will be choose your path and hand over your wallet cause thats what CCP cares most about not giving value like they used to but bilking its subscribers for all they are worth WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO "SAY IT AINT SO JOE "
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[697]
Why doesn't the freakin' CEO come crawling from under his stone and address his cash cow players ? Too busy counting his money ?
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JTK Fotheringham
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[698]
Reposting here...
Just read CCP Zulu's blog. So...
1) The patch was deployed smoothly - yes, credit to you, but then we do have people with melted GPUs, and others just flat refusing to load the content because it interferes badly with game play. Oh, and the bugs, like bombs in low sec. So, yeah, smoothly.
Just to be clear, you are not answering the $6m question - when will you get back to developing EVE, not other games?
2) CCP Soundwave was writing a position paper, give him a break - fair comment, it's not right the he cops the blame for this one, but then, at the most basic level we, the players, are asking for some cerdibility from CCP, and you give us this masterpiece of vagueness on the whole MT question.
So, just to be clear, can we read into this that you don't have a clue what direction your MT policy is going to fall? So wth did you implement a MT Store?
3) $1,000 jeans are a desiable commodity, so are our monocles - eh, but $1,000 jeans weren't the first ever jeans on the market. It took time and effort to mature the market to that point. You created a sandbox, in which we'd love to see the players create $1,000 jeans (!) as part of that immersive game-play experience you keep wittering on about. That still doesn't answer the question of why anyone would sink $70 into a load of pixels.
Honestly, you guys got this one wrong.
-2 Subs. Try again, you've still got me for 5 more days. www.dashavatara.comnull |
Maul555
Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[699]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Don't you think that addressing the big ****storm issues first might have been a better idea, and furthermore that letting us know that the big ****storm issues will still be addressed might also have been a good idea?
Do I have to come over there and do your f****ng jobs for you?
The EVE Personality Test
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Kallynda Nai
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 -
[700]
Edited by: Kallynda Nai on 24/06/2011 21:58:34
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Perhaps a better idea would have been to lead off with the things we actually care about? By and large, no one really cares about the price of vanity items. Most (and I include myself here) think that the prices are weapons grade stupidity, but I, for one, wasn't planning on buying anything anyway.
The chief concern of the playerbase is the possibility of monetizing in-game advantages and the royal dogging that the economy would suffer should this idea come to pass. Others have explained--in far greater detail and eloquence than I am capable of conveying--why this is such a Bad Idea so I will not belabor the point. I will say, however, that so much of the ire expressed over the last 24 hours could have been avoided if CCP had clearer and more responsive messaging.
Hopefully, addressing the concerns that actually matter will be handled with much more proficiency (and perhaps in a little less of a smug self contratulatory manner).
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[701]
Originally by: Gordon Hellbender As stated by several in this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065
This dev blog is disgusting, condensing, trash. Never would have expected this.
Not only does it completely miss the point, it actually adds fuel to the fire! I hope Zulu gets fired because he just cost CCP a LOT of paid accounts.
I dont think Zulu is the problem here.. Its harsh to say he should be fired.. Do you really think this is the document he presented to the management team for approval? I seriously doubt it.. I'm guessing he was not allowed to answer....
Really CCP should be very ashamed of how they have handled this..
Answer the big question.. just that one in yellow.. you know the one...
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ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[702]
Originally by: CCP Zulu I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
yeah, cause you have been doing such a good job of that so far right?
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Sirion Fujiwara
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[703]
Are you ****ing kidding me??
Address the real issue here!
# Non-vanity items for sale through NeX #
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Carmine Lady
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[704]
FUUUUUUCK YOU CCP
GO DIAF.
NOW.
FREE HELICITY FREE LIANG REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP |
Svennig
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[705]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Assuming other answers to the multitude of other complaints (that feel pretty ignored right now) are coming:
JUST ANSWER ONE DAMN QUESTION:
NON-VANITY ITEMS IN THE NOBLE STORE, EVER, AT ANY POINT: YES OR NO
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Gerome Doutrande
Rue Morgue
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[706]
Thank you for taking the time to elaborately paraphrase "**** you, lolcustomers" in your blog. Your message has been received.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[707]
This is your response?
With regards to the internal newsletter, I get it, it's internal and serves as a forum for debate. I have worked in corporations considerably larger than CCP and a few smaller, I saw many such in-zines, made a few myself when I ran a glass-house. I never made the mistake of assuming the subjects in them were there by accident or purposefully filled mine with useless tripe. To make any assumption that your customers do not also have this same realization, in this day of targeted marketing, corporate culture and let's face it, propaganda, is to once again underestimate your customers.
We know why it is being discussed. We are not as stupid as you hope we are. This blog here never answers, or comes close to the main question everyone asked in the most recent 'threadnaught': our most fundamental overriding concern of micro-transactions and the integrity of the sandbox. Zip. We are smart enough to recognize omissions. Pitch forks do not make one stupid, the arrogance of kings and queens on the other hand has often proven fatal. What's worse is, your metaphorical Marie says we should be happy with cake, but the cake is a lie, and so is this blog.
Unsubed a little over a week ago, it was the right decision. Thank you CCP for once again proving me right. On this score, you did not fail to deliver, bravo!
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[708]
Originally by: Zolacar
Originally by: Lain Runner Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!
I think they just did!
...
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
[709]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
Yo Dawg, I herd you like to forumRAEG, so I RAEG'ed on our servers, so you can play with your RAEG inside our forums.
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smokeAjoint
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[710]
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Ryder 3vyn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[711]
wat happund
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Boobpatrol
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[712]
Originally by: Grog Drinker
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The one and only thing that matters...
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dunnhill
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[713]
sigh, what about CQ / people wanting ship spinning back as the cq is buggy? the dev blog didnt say much :/
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Marius Rousseau
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[714]
As stated by others not a single player conern was addressed in this dev blog. CCP deserve the ****storm to continue for ever...
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Tramlaw Trub
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[715]
Wow. Several players warned us to look out for this. They were right. Damn. Way to not help the situation at all, CCP. The protests and rage will continue unless and until a. You re-commit to vanity-only mt items or b. we get tired of this and leave or suck it up. I know which one you're hoping for. Its probably not the one I'm going to choose, tho. ----------------------------- His name was John Turbefield. |
Badeo Beta
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[716]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
I would like to suggest that it would have been prudent to address some of the other topics first....
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Adrian Dixon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[717]
Is this thread for real? I will simply quote my post in the original (201 page) thread, This reply by Zulu is an insult.
Originally by: Adrian Dixon Edited by: Adrian Dixon on 24/06/2011 21:26:45 The Dev Blog In reply does not touch on a single issue rasied here in this thread. I find the reply completely ignorant. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932 Zulu please make sure every CCP employee reads this document, and every well written post in this thread; http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Personaly I will not play this game with Microtransactions of any kind. If Microtransactions are not removed and if we do not get a proper response soon I will not renew my subscription.
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Spazz21
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[718]
He completely missed the point, no one gives a damn about the prices of shirts.
Here, Let me make it really clear in quotes, bold, italic underline of the question everyone wants to know. It can be answered Yes or No. There is no if ands or buts about it.
WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO
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Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[719]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
At the expense of the MOST STRESSED POINT in over 5000 posts?!? How about you address the biggest issue one nearly Everyone's mind!
Originally by: CCP Zulu
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
Fine! Not happy about it, but fine, whatever.
Originally by: CCP Zulu
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Then tell us how! Don't wait 2 days, gives us a post from Pann saying "hang on! we're on it!" Followed up by your DevBlog, which is a null - it has not substance to it except to say "haha, you guys don't get it! you're so funny!"
Followed by THIS post which basically says "I KNOW I just skipped over the most important topic, but CCP and the community need to communicate more!"
There is no Communication going on! You're not hearing anything we say. ____ What CCP Needs:
What the frak is this?!? |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[720]
How can you equate pretend electonic space pants with rl pants made of fiber and rivets or whatever? THey should not cost the same. Do parents pay $60-80 for barbie pants? No. Likewise, good like trying to fund your company on the 2 or 3 fools without children willing to spend that amount on your pretend electonic space pants. Seriously, wtf. |
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Calistai Huranu
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[721]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44 You still haven't repeated your commitment to never bringing non-vanity MT's, but it doesn't matter.
A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.
Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?
CCP has shown many times that its promises are meaningless.
The only thing now that you can do is DELIVER. Your words have no value and won't stop the exodus. The time to promise to never bring non-vanity MTs is gone, you can't even reiterate promise, but it doesn't matter because we don't trust you anymore, anyway.
Only your ACTIONS could change something.
Remove the Noble Exchange, give players back the PLEX's they have spent on Aurum and make all the Noble Store content free for everyone. Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat.
That should be enough to stop the bleeding until the next time you **** because we all know you are too stubborn to do what the CSM tells you and to learn from your mistakes.
It takes years to build trust and just a few seconds to destroy it.
That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.
+1, so this.
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BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 -
[722]
THE BLOG IS A LIE
Btw ... I never read something with so much dishonesty written by you guys ...
So sad week end ...
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr Iure Divino
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[723]
Oh, but wait, remember this?
Broken Promises.
What a backtrack.
EVE is burning - look at Amarr and Jita, fools.
This is the day you lost the little respect from us that still remained.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[724]
I am going to forgo reading the 20+ likely pages in response to the blog and just respond with my own thoughts instead of fanning the flames. There are enough trolls around here. CCP Zulu thank you for posting the blog update. I had my reservations at first and to be honest I had a suspicion of the "extremist view" approach as this is a common practice used in things as basic as debate classes. I am sure that some people in here who either participated in debate or were stand ins from say acting/drama, can vouch and speak as such. It makes sense to use it as a way for a corporation to hash out ideas and concepts. I would have pursued the same internal approach towards the discussion. Clearly the problem that happened here was that document came to light without the proper context. Unfortunately NO ONE can speak for the masses here as we are all individuals and as always the loudest are heard the most regardless of how intelligible it is. I think what may put many players concerns to rest was the standpoint presented by Soundwave as the extremist in favor to be explained some more. EVE is the only game I know of that has a fully functioning realistic market that is player driven. I mean think about it, some of those brokers caught for causing market bubble collapses in the US were caught because they were practicing PONZI schemes on here, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie Madoff was a former subscriber himself. When Soundwave's opinions came to light, your player base ripped these forums a new one. While I don't care about apparel, the idea of buying Ships, Ammo, Mods, and SOV even, would collapse the entirety of the EVE Market. At this point I think was a catalyst concerning the MT system. If true, it would make BPO's useless, miners UTTERLY useless, and would remove the effectiveness of over half your player base. For that reason, I think it is exactly what will not happen. The "leaked" papers being extremist point of views for the sole point of getting all the arguments out at once being just simply that. I think what happened here was a collision between a multitude of MINOR bugs, idealistic views, and one debate class project taken in the wrong context. For those who think this is a REASONABLE assumption please post your agreement. It is CCP's creation that we play, I don't give a damn if we pay for it as I enjoy their service. However CCP's future vision for EVE will NEVER suit everyone's tastes.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[725]
I want to congratulate CCP on eclipsing the t20 scandal. Wonderful job! You all deserve everything you get for doing so well!
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Corelin
Caldari The Fancy Hats Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[726]
CCP, Talk about the elephant in the room. We aren't ****ing stupid. We aren't ignorant. We love your game, that is why we are angry, furious even over the course you seem to be setting. Talk about the elephant in the room. We want you to deny that your devs are working on ways to cut people out of the marketplace. We want you to deny that you are selling a direct, in-game advantage to players for money, removing any other parties from the transaction. Talk about the elephant in the room.Tell us that you aren't going to break the economy, and the entire game in the name of a quick buck. Talk about the elephant in the room. Quit bull****ting us with "Oh you are being mean, oh the prices are set like this for a reason," Quit dancing around the issue. Talk about the ****ing elephant.
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Lain Runner
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[727]
Originally by: Brokers Clone
Originally by: Lain Runner Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!
WILL they
Dude, check your Six.... they just DID
LOL
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Shiera Kuni
Repurposed Armaments
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[728]
My completely honest, non-trolling thoughts on this whole ordeal regarding microtransactions, nerdrage, the blog, and Incarna in general: Don't give a ****, still going to play, ignore the vanity store, enjoy CQ, and avoid the protesting systems. I understand the rage on game-changing items possibly appearing in the MT store and the over-priced-ness of vanity items, but I honestly don't care. People play a game the way they want to play it. You want to drop a few hundred bucks in CCPs pocket to get a ship I didn't pay a physical penny for? Fine, your money, your loss. I'll pew pew with my internet spaceship regardless. It's a game, it has an 'unsubscribe' function. Quit before you have an aneurism, I'll keep playing because I'm enjoying myself. . My Trollifier is fully loaded with Flamepedos and ready to bring down your Failageddon. My cloak of internet anonymity is perfect, the win is mine. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[729]
I...I don't even know what to say. The entire issue was ulimately betrayal of trust between CCP and the playerbase. Not how much your monocles cost.
Why didn't you address THAT, CCP? Are you TRYING to alienate us?
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Mena Arzi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[730]
Just answer the question!
WILL THERE EVER BE NON-VANITY NEx ITEMS?
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Transporter Slave
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Grog Drinker
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The one and only thing that matters...
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Marcus Aurelijus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[732]
After all this THAT is the response you give? Srsly?
I think you should hire Derek Smart for your PR.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Romeda Dis-aster. In other words, Zulu just told us to go f**k ourselves. I'm not impressed CCP what has gotten into you lot?
He obviously didnt read this: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Or maybe he is sitting too high up on his pedestal. Unable to look down.
I hope he will love to fire people and hopefully be fired himself when ÇÇP loses massive amount of subscriptions. Hell, ÇÇP as a company might even go under. --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[734]
That devblog was flat out ****ing insulting. Way to treat your customers. Frankly I didn't give a **** about the whole MT thing in any incarnation until I read that smug, pretentious bull**** from a company executive. You should be ****ing ashamed of yourself.
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Gordon Hellbender
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[735]
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto it has now come out that CCP is planning on selling skillpoints in the NeX.
Their bet is that some idiots buying $1,000 worth of SP will offset all the thousands of people leaving eve over this.
Not gonna work.
CCP lied, EVE died.
50$ for a "basic skill package" 250$ for a "medium skill package" 999$ for an "advanced skill package"
Your choice over industrial, fighter or balanced.
Yeah... I can see something like that happening.
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Anariana
Minmatar Death'n'Taxes
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:52:00 -
[736]
really CCP! What a disgusting way to treat your customers. This is how you respond... I'm just.. I don't even know what to say ---------------- - Ana |
Zeta LaFrege
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[737]
Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
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ariana ailith
Aribar Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[738]
My reallife pants don't cost $1000. THey cost around $100 and i dont give a damn about the brand. But i do like the color blue and such... Hence why i bought them.
So Zulu, what silly excuse can we get next?
Should i pay $1000 for pants i can't wear? Or buy 10 pairs of pants i can actually wear and play eve the way i like it. In space, naked, submerged in pod fluid.
Pants are overrated!
Get real, who wants vanity items... Let those who want that go play the Sims or some ****ty game like that. Eve is about Nukes and Lasers and afterburners! Not pants and Microtransactions!
Fail!
That said, i'm playing eve, i still like it. But... Hmm. All this buzz, not good for my mood. --
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Corellian Smuggler
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[739]
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 23 September 2011.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
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Master Skipper
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[740]
"we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous" Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today." I guess your internal question has been answered: GREED IS GOOD !!!
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Tipsy
Gallente X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[741]
Originally by: CCP Zulu I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion
This is just going to be another pointless rage thread. The future of microtransactions in EVE is the biggest issue here and the blog didn't address it. Focused discussion isn't going to take place here until that's addressed.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[742]
"People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes."
maybe i should remember tha... oh wait that's right we are talking about FAKE CLOTHES IN A VIDEO GAME. for 60 ****ing dollars. I can buy several pairs of "REAL LIFE" jeans here for 60$, why should i spend my REAL money on your FAKE clothes?
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[743]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 24/06/2011 21:56:29 I personally don't think it really matters now, with that blog they have shown what they're really about.
They have no respect for their player base, they just portray themselves as being totally incompetent.
What was the point of them reading all those posts in that other main thread if they totally ignored what was being said, it's not like they could have missed the main question.
Well they've shown me that they are a shoddy company and I don't tend to have any dealings with shoddy companies so when my sub runs out, I'll not be anywhere near any of their products. Even if the company name changes in the future.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[744]
Originally by: Chribba I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
I think that line will be of much use to us, thank you, looking forward to utilize it
/c
While I appreciated a response. I'm with Chribba. I'm still waiting for our concerns to be addressed.
Namely: will AUR = in-game benefit?
Is that the official plan for dealing with RMT bots?
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Andares Sol
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[745]
@CCP: Guys, please sort yourself out and come up with some clear communication what direction the game should take! Looks to me as if you have some severe internal and external communication deficits, problems to listen to constructive critics as well as no real clue how to develop EVE to the next stage. Copying PS3 Home and selling virtual T-Shirts definetely won't cut the mustard!
The internal document was leaked, ok sh*t happens. The obvious result must be to answer ALL of the communities concerns! If you keep evading the questions, it'll just cement the majorities opinion that you want to turn EVE into some brain-dead gadget store and worse than that: Allow people to buy their way up the ladder. 100000 AUR and here is your 10Mill SP Booster...e.t.c.
Praise to the developers who did a really nice job on the turret effects and were probably slaving away to finish "something" for the Captains Quarters, because some marketing guy or upper management fixed the release date 3month too early and who are probably now on an unpaid overtime night-shift to get the performance issues sorted.
So i really hope you have an emergency meeting Monday morning and come up with a concise internal plan and some decent answers for the community.
Thanks, Andares Sol
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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:53:00 -
[746]
Maybe CCP Zulu can also contact all the gaming sites that have been ridiculing CCP for selling $70 monocles and dazzle them with his $1000 jeans comparison. I'm sure they will immediately publish corrections and recognize the error of their ways in doubting the brilliance of CCP management.
Or the scorn heaped on a once innovative company will increase even more.
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mistersparky
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[747]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
lol, no you didn't.
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Eden Falls
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[748]
Dear CCP
I think there is more damage being done here than you realise, judging by the inadequate response you recently posted. I've played since 2003 on multiply accounts, i'm as loyal as it gets. I love this game for all that it is and a big part of the affection lies in the relationship between the players and the developers. I've always felt that we have travelled the road together that you absolutely had our best interests at heart. I now wonder if i've been niave, or perhaps the ethos of the company has changed? Maybe CCP is now not so different from all the other money grubbing corporations and governments out there who's sole aim seems to be to squeeze every last penny out of us? I hope i'm wrong..
If we are going down the "entropia" road i'm quitting.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[749]
This is disappointing. Again.
My and my corporation's concerns :
1. With the crazy load of CQ, will you keep the temporary option (and hopefully improve on the damn door) untill such a time as either the display settings for space and CQ are seperate and/or CQ actually has decent performance ?
2. Will you ever sell non-vanity stuff, in whatever form ?
We couldn't care less about prices of stuff we'll never buy anyway. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Zackgar
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[750]
Kneel before Turbefield!
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Saddeyes
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[751]
So we basically got told the people who wrote what they did in "Fearless" we're completely right in doing so because you say they are; and we have no right to disagree with them or be angry about their views. People's views are tied to THEM. So when we disagree, we call them out by name. Not some cowardly corporate-spin company meatshield. Where I'm from, you take responsibility for your self.
Secondly, the Nex store prices aren't changing at all. That middle finger pushed a few more cancels. And if you want to spend $80 USD on a piece of metal that fits in your eye (that doesn't actually exist and costs more than a capital ship/my medical insurance) or some cool new boots so you can be the shique trendy coolguy that your friends get jealousover and spend their ridiculous wad of cash on NOTHING so they aren't left out of the loop LIKE IN REAL WORLD FASHION BABY.
****ing JOKE.
WE NEED RESULTS OR IT WILL CONTINUE TO BURN.
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Ydnari
Gallente Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[752]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
You know how a part of this is to do with the atrocious state of communication from your company? You should do if you'd read or had at least a summary of what's been posted in the last day or two. But you're doing it again, you're compounding the problem.
If you only intended to address specific points, you did not make that in any way clear from what you posted.
And what you posted is frankly unbelievable, to the point of being insulting.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[753]
The short version of the dev blog after I remove all the spin and fluff:
Not too ironically my response is the same.
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Sam Typed
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[754]
Count me among the disappointed. I would have liked to see a dev post by now that demonstrated that CCP actually understood the concerns being expressed in the forums even if there werenÆt answers yet.
CCP, try writing the following on your Twitter:
We understand you are concerned that Eve Online will become Pay To Win. We will be specifically addressing this very soon.
Also, if everyone could stop referring to $45 transactions as ômicroö transactions, I would be much happier.
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[755]
I call bullsh!t.
I'll be more sincere and direct than you can be with me. You have lost my trust.
In 2005, I had chosen to believe in the little rebel Icelandic company of gamers that implied they were not only understanding but better than the big corporate developers whom for profit justified bleeding their player communities by charging extras for premium content and expansions.
That was the inspiration for the FAQ.
"Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions"
Now that you are a corporation, I am naive for believing in that message and for believing in you.
[Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
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caladoor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[756]
I read this as FU customers.
Well FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU CCP
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Rho1
Incarna Protest
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[757]
Edited by: Rho1 on 24/06/2011 22:06:29
No more lies! No more not giving a frack about playerbase opinions! NO MORE SILENCE !!!!! IT IS NOT ABOUT THE FRACKING MONOCLE, CAN'T YOU READ?!
We THE PEOPLE demand:
1. MT containing vanity items ONLY. That is the most important issue and the one that causes most rage. We want you to tell us that you will NOT sell standings, skills, ammo, or uber ships via NEX store. Don't lie to us. Don't tell us that what Soundwave wrote in your internal newsletter is just his "personal opinion" and it doesn't matter, It's an opinion of a lead game designer and we want CCP to ASSURE US THAT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.
2. CQ to be an option to enter from the old hangar view a) because we aren't ALL here to play barbies in stations. b) because implementation sux technically (fried PCs, more load on some PCs than full-maxed Crisis 2, just read the forums) c) don't tell us it's our fault and lousy gear that you cannot code a 5by5 dark room which does not take 100% of gpu power on a modern machine. d) image of a door is not an acceptable option, just put old hangar view back in.
3. Assurance, that you WILL NOT introduce in-game obstacles just to sell us the option to remove them, like you did with saving of ship fittings. (move them to server, put limit of 50 fittings in place, get paid for increasing the limit? cunning). a) remove the one obstacle already introduced, give us option to keep unlimited number of fittings locally like it was before.
Meet above demands, and the playerbase will cool down. Don't act stupid and pretend that we rage about the price of monocle. That is the matter you want to explain to the media and the gaming industry, which are all laughing at you. We will simply not buy it.
If you don't plan to comply to the above, tell us now, so we can stop investing our time and money in your service.
TL;DR: 1. No to selling advantages. 2. Ship spinning back. 3. No to introducing obstacles to sell option to remove them.
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Eshnala
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[758]
Tbh im just speechless and sad.
This is just a big middle finger right into our face.
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Galamia
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 -
[759]
Time to choose whether or not to continue to pay to be insulted.
Time to choose whether or not to continue to pay for glacial development of substantive content while superfluous proof-of-concept demonstrations are shoehorned into EVE from other MMOs.
Time to choose whether or not to continue to pay for the neglect of long standing balance issues and contempt for real community concerns. "I've never heard of you, either." |
Jayde Emeraude
Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 -
[760]
Have you noticed for probably the first time in Eve- we who play this game are not trolling each other but are united in our opinion about what you've done and where you are going?
FFS there are sooo many things broken with this and all your blog said was STFU and TAKE IT!
Guess what....we aren't this time - let's see you brag to PC or Gamers Magazines next month about your server counts!
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Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 -
[761]
Dear CCP.
$80 != Micro.
That is all.
____ What CCP Needs:
What the frak is this?!? |
Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 -
[762]
Edited by: Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban on 24/06/2011 21:55:43
Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
Answering one question seems to be to much for CCP. I have a suspicion why though.
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Serenity Frye
Gallente Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:55:00 -
[763]
How laughable. It starts off smug, and it stays smug. Ccp Zulu I bet you are "one of those guys" who would even consider wearing a thousand dollar pair of jeans. To quote lady spank, "pathetic". Just, pathetic. You say how bad it is for us to drag employees name through the mud, well guess who is next?
Furthermore, you claim they were just opinions, then you say that they were instructed to write an exagerated opinion to bring about discussion. What are you, drunk? Take a look in the reflection of your thousand dollar raw denim: what you will see is a clown.
Good job avoiding the issue. By doing so, you said all that needs to be said. Have fun with Sony.
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Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[764]
Edited by: Demitrios on 24/06/2011 22:02:48 http://atlas-dot.net/duckyouccp.png
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Reid Lutman
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[765]
What i would like to know is what does the future of MT in eve hold. Will MT be limited to vanity items only? If not, what are your plans for it in the future? If players who participate in MT have an unfair advantage i will loose my motivation to play. For me, stumping up money for MT whilst already paying for 3 accounts is too much.
To those having hardware problems: People complaining of broken hardware need to contact their hardware supplier or upgrade. No hardware pushed to it's limit should break. You have to expect that over time hardware requirements are going to increase and so will the burden on your hardware.
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Gilbert Intaki
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[766]
CCP (Zulu) - you are as arrogant and incompetent as ever. Are you deliberately trying to **** people off by ignoring THE MAJOR gripe that people have?? Or are you actually really that ****ing thick??
F u c k i n g incredible! You're a God damn disgrace! WHO PAYS YOUR BILLS??
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[767]
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert The answer is yes. There's no way a group of adults could read this forum and not understand that all the anger was about that issue. It's not able the pricing structure, it's not even about CQ, it's about MT for in-game advantages.
There are only two possible ways the blog could exclude an answer to this question:
1. They really don't get it because they lack the ability to read and comprehend the words on this forum 2. They intend to do this and just won't say so to avoid losing people and their money as long as possible, hoping that the anger will die down and people will accept it over time.
As much as a lot of you would love to say option 1, it's simply not plausible. These people are adults and they know how to read. They know exactly why we're mad, but refuse to change their course.
MT for in-game advantages are coming.
A sad day this is turning out to be.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[768]
First of all. THE HELL?
Lets look to 12 months ago. There is CCP Shadow saying there will not be any form of microtransactions in EVE. Not for vanity items, not for ubers, nothing. Then you start internally discussing microtransactions. Then you start debating it. Then you bring it in. The question remains unanswered.
Are CCP looking to sell gameplay related items (i.e. ubers) via this thing?
Because frankly THAT is the elephant in the room. It's the question you, CCP, have been avoiding for the past three days! We'd be happy to forgive Soundwave and the person inviting the Lead Designer of a game who's public policy is NO MT EVER to debate MT's in a document that is I am led to believe sat in your reception area where any visitor and/or guest can snag a copy as just being pants on head ******ed but you've got to answer that question. Your playerbase is leaning towards "Yes" and "within 6 months".
We've already caught you with your hands in the cookie jar, so out with it. How many of them have you eaten before we caught you?
Also, if I were wearing $1,000 jeans I would, firstly, be dribbling purple crayola eater levels of stupid and secondly I would anticipate them to be of a much higher quality than the standard fair, hand crafted by experts, designed to fit my every contour exactly as I'd specified. Made of Kevlar and impregnated with 24ct gold thread.
The same people who made the ingame ú30 skirt are the same that'll be making the ú5 ingame skirt, sat on the same chairs, drinking the same tasty beverage out of the same mug each time. They will have no appriciable increase (or decrease) in skill levels at creating such items between the creation of the two. The only real difference is they put in less effort. So your expecting me to pay for something where someone's been lazy?
Here's a hint that your logic is broken. I can buy a suit. A damn good walk in to a room and people go "fark me that's a dapper gent in a good suit" from Mos Bros for around ú200. It's real, it is tangiable, I own it and I can touch it. No matter how high the poly count on your 'Precision' skirt it is simply not real and thus worth very little by comparison and most certainly not worth the current ú20 asking price.
Also the fact that the only place in this game a female avatar can currently get a skirt is the MT shop is frankly very telling. No I've not found one in the character creator.
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Svennig
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[769]
30 pages in an hour. Awesome. And still CCP won't listen.
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Quazik
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[770]
This is so unbelievably depressing. I'm a very casual player with 2 accounts, logging in sometimes only a few times a month to change skills and do a bit of mining. I keep paying my subscription because I have confidence that this game is still going to be worth playing in the future. I've had confidence in the direction the devs were taking things. I felt I could trust in the world that EVE had created. I trusted that the developers "got it" and cared about providing a quality sandbox experience for their players.
Incarna and the events that have followed it shook my confidence. I had hoped the silence of the past couple days was CCP coming up with a positive response to the many well-written pieces that player's have posted expressing their concerns.
Instead of a serious attempt to bolster confidence in the long term direction of EVE, we got some shockingly juvenile and condescending language like:
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life....
Here he speaks down to us as if we are just too stupid to understand. As if this is all something about nothing and we just aren't bright enough to see the big picture. As if we've been waiting the last couple days for a "lesson".
Quote: ...We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
Here it feels like he is intentionally mocking how much your customers care about the direction of the game.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
I have the feeling that the author must be smirking here. He must know that he hasn't. Totally depressing.
How could EVE have turned out this way? Such a great game, such promise, yet such apparent determination by the devs to throw it all away.
After reading that blog post it feels like I have been urinated on.
My son is 8yrs old and he likes to watch me play. He was looking forward to the day when he'd be able to play. So was I. I had that much trust in EVE, based upon everything that had been built before that I'd promised him an account when he was old enough.
Now it even feels dirty to login and play at all.
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Mr Abstoss
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[771]
CCP, I will not give you my money anymore. Thats it you lost me. It have been nice 3.5 years for me, but now thats it. 3 Subs canceled. Have fun with your downtime for 0 Players.
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Sanakan Seidensha
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[772]
I don't get the rage going on in here. Maybe someone can explain how anything changes with Aurum?
Currently in EvE, you can be a noob, get fresh into the game, buy a load of Plex, use them to buy a char, use them to buy your char a mom and all the shiny stuff to fit it. Will sure beat those other noobs in ther Impairors, dont' you think? If that is not power for $$$ already a reality in EvE and has been forever, then I don't know what is...
So what's new here?
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Android Mindslave
Gallente Mindworks
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[773]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44 You still haven't repeated your commitment to never bringing non-vanity MT's, but it doesn't matter.
A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.
Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?
CCP has shown many times that its promises are meaningless.
The only thing now that you can do is DELIVER. Your words have no value and won't stop the exodus. The time to promise to never bring non-vanity MTs is gone, you can't even reiterate promise, but it doesn't matter because we don't trust you anymore, anyway.
Only your ACTIONS could change something.
Remove the Noble Exchange, give players back the PLEX's they have spent on Aurum and make all the Noble Store content free for everyone. Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat.
That should be enough to stop the bleeding until the next time you **** because we all know you are too stubborn to do what the CSM tells you and to learn from your mistakes.
It takes years to build trust and just a few seconds to destroy it.
That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.
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Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[774]
You've had your chance Zulu. Let Turbefield speak!
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Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 -
[775]
Originally by: Teya Ihara I believe the Devblog missed the point a little.
- Address the 800lb gorilla in the room. I honestly don't care(nor do most) about your AUR pricing scheme for vanity items, I may or may not buy them, depending on my personal perception of value. What needs to be addressed is.... "Will Money Transfer ever(in the foreseeable future) be used for non-vanity items"? period. An answer to that question is needed. Adding in some ideas for what you think are acceptable RMT items for the AUR system would also help calm some people the hell down.
You're confusing metaphors. The 800lb gorilla metaphor, is in the context of this saying: "What can a 800lb gorilla do? - Anything it god damn wants to" (in the sense that noone can stop it - In computer talk, usually that's microsoft or google being talked about. On a gobal political scale, the United States).
You're probably thinking of the "elephant in the room" metaphor. That one is based on the saying "The elephant in the room noone talks about" (like a alchoholic uncle at a family picknick or the gay cuisin who recently attempted suicide) and I'm pretty sure everyone is talking about this particular elephant - micro transactions. So to sum up, your 800lb gorially analogy is wrong.
Other than that, that's a very reasonable and well thought out post, thank you.
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streaml1ne
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[776]
"This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous"
40 pages of the feedback thread and over a 1000 respondents say otherwise bud.
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Susitna
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[777]
You did not really address my main concern. I want to know what CCP's policy is going to be concerning MT? Will it be limited to vanity only? Why have you not answered this simple question? As a long time EVE customer I think you owe me an answer to the question. Players have a significant investment in time and money in your game. I would like to able to make an informed choice about continuing to invest my time and money in your game. Right now I have strong doubts if your vision of the future if EVE match my expectations. I will be clear and honest with you. I will not play this game if you intend to go down the aur for none vanity items. If you continue to avoid answering the question I can only assume you are being deceptive and do not want to be open and honest with your player base. As for Incarna, it is without a doubt the worst expansion I have ever seen and I have seen many. Zero new content that I am interested in. If you think it is a success there really is a disconnect between our expectations.
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Murashu
Liberal Frontier Enterprises BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[778]
I fully support Incarna and love what it is bringing to the game, but I'm sorry, Zulu's latest blog is a complete joke. We know you guys saw the question in yellow and even responded to it. Why is this major concern still being ignored?
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? _______ Murashu Agony's End |
Vinifera
Gallente Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[779]
This blog post and your 'rationalization' (because that's exactly what it is...a rationalization) of the pricing of vanity items is so insulting to me as a player that it is not even worth my time trying to explain to you just how disconnected and out of touch you really are. I'm sure the next 40 pages of posts will have some other players who can say it better than I.
Truly disgusted, Zulu.
Poor form, mate....incredibly poor form.
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BuRniZZ
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[780]
Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Ko'rell Cosca
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[781]
Zulu, step down and resign, fool.
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[782]
that dev blog assumes that everyone is mad about the newsletter when everyone was mad BEFORE the newsletter came to light
i know that you know that. and i know that you don't care
while you're being so butthurt about CCP employees being dragged through the mud for doing one thing and saying another to the player base, you might take a minute to think about how "not cool" it is to lie to your customers, to openly mock them, and to troll them on your own forums. In the 2 years since i've been in Eve i have seen all 3 of those things done on a monthly if not weekly basis
When i look at how you act as individuals, i am embarassed for you, even if you don't have the manners to be embarassed for yourselves
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[783]
I cant beleive thats whats in the blog.
He he spent the whole day writing a blog which can be paraphrased as "F uck you unhappy customers."
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[784]
Originally by: Transporter Slave
Originally by: Grog Drinker
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The one and only thing that matters...
I hope so, and it shuts you ****s up already. It's not the biggest issue, despite your amazing ability to blindly parrot it over and over.
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Nuramori
Amarr Drama Llamas
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
[785]
That was fairly pathetic, to be honest. Instead of understanding the sheer volume of reprisals coming to a head, you decide to stand firm, even get defensive.
Well I wish CCP luck with that, it sometimes takes monumental events to get a message across that can affect corporate (or lack of) inertia. I see you're in that phase of your corporate history.
My two accounts, which were yearly subscriptions, are now cancelled, with the hopes if you somehow buck the odds and reverse the inevitable course that's in front of you I can renew them. For me I got a few more months of time to solidify my friendships, say my goodbyes, and find a place where all my play buddies will go. Note that Eve is a social environment - when the alphas leave, the rest tend to follow, in order to stay together. Eve isn't the glue that binds, it's just the canvas we express our kinship. We can and will find another place if we need to. Don't think for a minute you're not under a spotlight in your industry, and some clever company is going to take advantage of the vacuum you will cause.
Good luck, hope for a more humble and heartfelt response.
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Zwielichtseher
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[786]
Hey Ho another threadnout
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NeoRoanoke
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[787]
Edited by: NeoRoanoke on 24/06/2011 21:58:18
Originally by: Zeta LaFrege
Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
Answer this and be saved CCP!!
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GKO
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[788]
Next devblog/patch with content please. The door looks OK though.
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Magaskaweel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[789]
my account runs out in 16 days. bye bye ÇÇP.
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DasIst Hinkle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[790]
FUFUFU CCP
That was a pathetic non-apology. The obvious contempt of the EVE player base displayed in the fearless newsletter, and subsequent developer forum posts gives me serious reservations about giving CCP any more of my real-life monies.
It is obvious that corporate greedheads worry more about what they can possibly extract from us financially than delivering an enjoyable or quality product.
This is a company that is rapidly alienating their player base by introducing major changes that add nothing to the gameplay (incarna), but is incapable of fixing basic user interface bugs.
CCP Zulu et al have been blinded by the dollar-signs in their eyes... acting like a bunch of half-rabid dogs,salivating and climbing over each other after a whiff of $ony's dripping cooz.
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Gavin2505
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[791]
Subscription cancelled.
F*** you too Zulu.
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Seako
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[792]
Thanks ÇÇP. This is the animated way of what you just did...again!
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Monev Szutef
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:58:00 -
[793]
Originally by: Sedilis You've had your chance Zulu. let Turbefield speak!
Turbefield, Master of Spreadsheets can fix this!
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Alice Everlasting
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[794]
I think what CCP is doing with incarna is a very good idea, I love the idea that they want the game to be a sci-fi simulation game were you can do whatever you want with your character and all that. Go to the bar and have a drink etc. and ofcourse if you dont want a drink you can still just sit in your pod all day and do what you regularly would do. I hope the "auto-leave ship on docking" is temporary tough, seems abit tiring to leave your pod...put on clothes...turn in mission...take of clothes...go back in pod,evrytime you dock.
anywas, this is what i wanted to say...if you do real life comparison with the clothing prices in the NEX store, your doing it wrong. pod pilots have enough money to buy military ships. A real cruiser class naval ship costs about 600-700 million dollars, and a pair of expensive jeans cost 1000 dollars. So if you want it to be a realistic simulation you let the clothes and accessories cost about 1000 isk and they would still be expensive for a regular non-pod pilot person.
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Gothikia
Regeneration
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[795]
Edited by: Gothikia on 24/06/2011 22:00:54 So, gaiz.. I hear I can get $1000 pair of jeans...
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Alexi Blue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[796]
THIS DEVBLOG IS THE BIGGEST INSULT IN CCP HISTORY. ---
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gargars
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[797]
I am actually shocked at the blog... So what I gather the gist is....
1) Stop worrying about microtransactions and stop making CCP feel bad! 2) I should naturally spend the same amount of money on a pair of avatar pants as I would in real life.... or more....
Good God... I am actually speechless....
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[798]
Worst.
Devblog.
Ever.
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Biomass MeNOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[799]
Originally by: CCP Zulu We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
You, Sir, and CCP are a bunch of absolute morons.
People may spend $80 on a pair of jeans, or even $1000 (the fools), because they are real items, with real value, not a collection of pixels that can be deleted at the whim of some cerebrally challenged programmer. You can't touch my $25 denim jeans, no matter how much you may find them lame, but if I were stupid enough to buy your $25 pixel collection you could happily **** it away in the next patch and I'd have nothing to say about it. But somewhere, someone has the money to throw some pretty heavy legal weight into the mix; the items may be virtual, but real money was spent to procure those particular items. Not a subscription price, or an item purchased vicariously to extend a subscription, but specifically for one single (laughably overpriced) virtual good.
One day, that lawyer will win.
Get your collective heads out of your asses and listen to your players; they're ****ed. Not even the carrier/MS changes, the castration of Webs, watering down of ECM, gimping of NOS ever spawned this level of anger in your player base.
Sit down, and just fucking listen. If you fail to heed your subscribers, you won't have any. Others failed to listen in the past, and see where they are now (SWG NPE, ex).
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VaL Iscariot
Caldari Natural Selection.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[800]
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 21 July 2011.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
Reason:
You want a reason? This dev blog is proof enough that I've wasted more then enough time with you. Until you show me that you will take your head clean out of your ass, you can **** yourself straight up a cliff. You have till the 21st of July to get your ass in gear and get the job done right. In the mean time, you're fired.
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Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[801]
I want to know why they keep side stepping the main question we have, non-vanity for Aur, and keep ramming the "Aur pricing" as the main thing. I DON'T ****ING CARE ABOUT AUR PRICING GODDAMN IT.
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Linis Erens
Caldari Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[802]
The overeaction by the player base is hilarious. They seem to think they are entitled to cheap cosmetic items. And lol at a business plan that has the goal of destroy said business.
Keep up the good work CCP. A lot of people will look back in 6months and realise how silly they were.
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orangefrog
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:59:00 -
[803]
With regard to the issues everyone is having, two things really stand out:
Purchasing products from the Noble Exchange is OPTIONAL! If you think they're too expensive, don't buy them.
Nobody is forcing you to subscribe to EVE - that too is optional. If you don't agree with what CCP may or may not have said, then cancel your subscription and walk away. Believe it or not EVE is a game, although from reading these forums I sometimes wonder how many people actually remember that
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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[804]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
1) Frankly I dont care what fearless is, its out and tbh I'm not sure why you are having this discussion. The player base rebelled when you announced the first MT blog, do you really expect our opinions to change on this? You want to gauge the reaction on this? Then create a small questionaire thats mandatory to complete before logging in, that will give you the true state of play on this move. 2) You're argument is fatally flawed, if I had $20 dollars to spend on a T-Shirt I would rather buy a real world one than on a pile of pixels.
Now as there have been, in the last couple of days, 10,000+ posts, 400+ pages of comments and now there are in game protests I would seriously recommend you back down, re-assess where EvE is going and apologise PROPERLY.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[805]
Originally by: Lugaedh
This dev blog is a joke, right?
how is this remotly a suprise to anyone?
.End of line.
If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
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Senlia Hucel-Ge
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[806]
Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
What a fail blog. Unbelievable. A half page. A HALF PAGE
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[807]
Speaking of SWG....
Sony's killing it.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35452/Sony_Online_To_Shut_Down_Star_Wars_Galaxies.php
Welcome to your future CCP. Hope you get something out before then that makes you some coin.
They started with a much larger player base... --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[808]
Well, that was a mite disappointing. No apology, let alone a sincere one; no unequivocal NO! to 'MT for ingame advantages.' Instead, I saw something in the vein of 'You guys were too mean to us,' and 'We're only doing our jobs.' Oh, and something about likely selling stuff for even higher AURUM prices (the latter was, pardon the pun, priceless).
Disappointed? Yes. Surprised? Sadly, no. You think that's a commentary on the current state of CCP?
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Shasz
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[809]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Not in the slightest. I don't give a damn about the MT. It's optional, it's pointless, and you've gone off the deep-end with your customer expectations with it by releasing the expensive stuff with nothing else. You blew that - mostly by ignoring all the feedback you had at your fingertips.
But none of that matters.
Address the crap that you saddled us with as far as the lost functionality and crappy transitions between In-space, in the hanger, and in CQ.
And while you're at it, hire more people in customer relations to get ALL the real issues with this patch, not just the MT nonsense. Again, you have all the feedback - READ IT!
- And with that, my alt account sub is going to run out and I'm letting it. When my main is due again in 4 weeks, I'll re-assess the state of the game and see what you've done to right the wrongs in the game itself. (Click my portrait for recent posts if you want to know - I'm not typing it all a third time)
Get in touch with the game! ___________________________________
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[810]
..... how sad |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[811]
Quote: Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit.
A LITTLE hard for me to ASSUME I'm wearing $1000 Jeans - NEVER had the LUXURY of doing so.
Does CCP Promise Vanity Items Only?
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Tester128
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:00:00 -
[812]
Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
No really? This is the first expansion that adds 0 bits of content to the core gameplay (it's spaceship combat in case you have forgotten) while introducing the usual metric ton of bugs. It also puts excessive stress on the hardware. As for gorgeous - doom 3 and halflife 2 were gorgeous at the time. It was like 6 years ago? You mean the expansion was really about reinventing half a decade old 3d engine with a closet sized level map?
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Megalift
Omni Tech Engineering Needless Friends
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[813]
Zulu - you are NUTS!
Comparing computer animated code with real life clothing. I cant see paying more then a plex worth of money on an single piece of animated programing code. I am suprised at the way Eve has gone in this last week, yet alone on where it is going.
Zulu - take a step back and consider how far your disconnection with the game has gone. Consider where it came from, how it became, and who is playing it now. Consider these things and consider what has happen over the week and re-consider where you are going. I for one will be very unpleased if a new player can come in and buy the standings that I worked for soooo hard.
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Sheynan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[814]
this is not the devblog you are looking for, please move on. And while you're at it, buy some +20%damage ammo from our AURUM shop.
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Hellvin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[815]
I guess there's no marketing outfit in Iceland that specializes in PR damage control.
Protip: When putting out a fire, use water, not gasoline. (That's a metaphor, I should helpfully say, since the "obvious" radar seems to be turned off there at CCP.)
I'm now going to go look up the expiration dates of my 4 paid accounts and do some serious thinking.
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Shiori Takahashi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[816]
Zulu's Blog is quite possibly the most insulted I've ever been as a paying customer for a service.
CCP, why did you ok the posting of this blog? It's the most disrespectful thing I've ever read from all of you. Not only does it basically tell customers, "Deal with it," it also fails to apologize, it makes ludicrous comparisons between ingame microtransactions and real life... jeans, and uses clearly misleading language like talking about how beautiful Incarna is and how smoothly the update went to sweep the real issues under the rug.
1. First, apologize immediately for even daring to have the microtransactions mentioned in the leaked document even brought to the table for discussion.
2. Swear to the players that you won't be implementing these sorts of microtransactions.
3. Finally, apologize again for posting Zulu's blog which is a clear attempt at avoiding relevant issues and uses incredibly insulting language toward your paying customers.
4. After all of that is taken care of, then you can take care of other issues like deciding if Incarna is even worth trying to save and how to work out the microtranactions for aesthetic items only.
CCP, I cannot ever fully express how disappointed I am in you. I only hope that someone important and responsible for this foolishness gets to deal with the consequences they deserve.
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Elfaen Ethenwe
Infusion.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[817]
this response is nothing more than an insult. I feel bloody offended that you think a response like that is acceptable and that CCP Policy is to attempt to take a high road in all of this. You will not be taking another penny from my wallet as this community is clearly led and driven by idiots with arse holes for brains.
I actually don't mind Incarna, Nor do i mind the introduction of non game effecting items such as clothes etc. NOR go i give a monkeys right testicle how you price them.
WHAT I CARE ABOUT, IS YOUR TERMINAL LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AT WHAT YOUR SUBSCRIBERS WANT. WE WANT THIS GAME FIXED, WE WANT THIS GAME TO BE A FOCUS AND WE WANT YOU TO STOP TRYING TO MILK US FOR EVERY ****ING PENNY TO GO NO FURTHER FORWARD THAN WE ARE NOW.
BUT MOST OF ALL.... MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, WE WANT YOU TO SAY NOW, WITHOUT DOUBT OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT MT'S WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EFFECT IN SPACE ACTIONS. WHY THE HELL SHOULD I PLAY A GAME TO BE BEATEN BY SOME UPSTART WITH RICH PARENTS?
your going down a path CCP that many of us will not follow, I'd think about re-writing that statement and try again A.S.A.P for those who bother to stick around long enough to see it.
-5
<><><>Together we gank, devided we pop<><><><>
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Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[818]
If I were a CCP shareholder I would ask tomorrow morning for the dismissal of CCP Zulu for utter incompetence...
Despising shamelessly old paying customers with 2 or 3 accounts is totally irresponsible...
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Raxip Elamp
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[819]
Edited by: Raxip Elamp on 24/06/2011 22:05:27 Edited by: Raxip Elamp on 24/06/2011 22:03:58 Up until now, my attitude towards this immense mess that CCP has made for itself has been relatively laid back. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and wait. I assumed that they had at least a tiny inkling of what they were doing.
Clearly I was wrong. After reading this excuse for a dev blog response, I am actually honestly angry at CCP. I really hope that there is an extraordinarily good reason for this condescending, vague and pointless excuse for a PR attempt. But I don't think there is.
CCP, I am shocked and disgusted with your handling of this situation. All you had to do was say "No. We do not plan to implement MT for non-vanity items." That's all, and most of us would be satisfied. Instead, some of my friends are unsubbing. I don't plan to, yet, but if this sort of behaviour continues from you, I will be leaving in search of greener pastures.
Straighten your **** out, CCP. I expect better of you.
EDIT: Quoting for agreement.
Originally by: Shiori Takahashi Zulu's Blog is quite possibly the most insulted I've ever been as a paying customer for a service. CCP, why did you ok the posting of this blog? It's the most disrespectful thing I've ever read from all of you. Not only does it basically tell customers, "Deal with it," it also fails to apologize, it makes ludicrous comparisons between ingame microtransactions and real life... jeans, and uses clearly misleading language like talking about how beautiful Incarna is and how smoothly the update went to sweep the real issues under the rug.
1. First, apologize immediately for even daring to have the microtransactions mentioned in the leaked document even brought to the table for discussion. 2. Swear to the players that you won't be implementing these sorts of microtransactions. 3. Finally, apologize again for posting Zulu's blog which is a clear attempt at avoiding relevant issues and uses incredibly insulting language toward your paying customers. 4. After all of that is taken care of, then you can take care of other issues like deciding if Incarna is even worth trying to save and how to work out the microtranactions for aesthetic items only.
CCP, I cannot ever fully express how disappointed I am in you. I only hope that someone important and responsible for this foolishness gets to deal with the consequences they deserve.
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Cailais
Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[820]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy This is your response?
With regards to the internal newsletter, I get it, it's internal and serves as a forum for debate. I have worked in corporations considerably larger than CCP and a few smaller, I saw many such in-zines, made a few myself when I ran a glass-house. I never made the mistake of assuming the subjects in them were there by accident or purposefully filled mine with useless tripe. To make any assumption that your customers do not also have this same realization, in this day of targeted marketing, corporate culture and let's face it, propaganda, is to once again underestimate your customers.
We know why it is being discussed. We are not as stupid as you hope we are. This blog here never answers, or comes close to the main question everyone asked in the most recent 'threadnaught': our most fundamental overriding concern of micro-transactions and the integrity of the sandbox. Zip. We are smart enough to recognize omissions. Pitch forks do not make one stupid, the arrogance of kings and queens on the other hand has often proven fatal. What's worse is, your metaphorical Marie says we should be happy with cake, but the cake is a lie, and so is this blog.
Unsubed a little over a week ago, it was the right decision. Thank you CCP for once again proving me right. On this score, you did not fail to deliver, bravo!
Well said.
C.
'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
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Elani Riu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[821]
Really? That's it?
I have never, NEVER been so disrespected by a company I have done business with.
Looking forward to seeing CCPs demise from afar.
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Ebisou
Origin.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[822]
http://most-expensive.net/iphone-app Zulu, you are one of the 8 who bought this to show off how elite you are aren't you?
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Aedeal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:01:00 -
[823]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks,
a simple YES or NO on this question: Will MT be used for in game advancement/advantage? would be enough
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rumbah terra
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[824]
CCP Zulu
You've addressed no real issues and your blog, while well intended (giving you the benefit of the doubt), will do nothing but further incite disdain for CCP.
CCP Zulu you really think that a monocular is comparable in value to a carrier? Just so you know I'm not buying a pair of jeans from some Japanese boutique, I'm buying pixels from an artist managed by lines of code written by programmers. Essentially your saying that Aurum doesn't have to fit within the norms of Eve's economy, even though they can be purchased and sold in markets once acquired from the NeX. This is the same precious economy that you brag about having an economist on staff to monitor and manage, and how important that economy is to the game. However I agree that in the end I don't have to buy them, personally I won't, and I don't begrudge someone that want's to spend their money that way - go for it!
But most importantly are we going to be able to by 30,000, 40,000, or 50,000 Aurum Battleships that have attributes that exceed in-game battleships and Aurum faction ammo that can out damage in-game ammunition? CCP it's time to live by your corporate creedo and HTFU and address the real issues that have come as a result of your Fearless newsletter and NeX.
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Jacoba Stalker
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[825]
When did CCP get taken over by Sony Online Entertainment? Did that idiot project manager from SWG find a new job here or what?
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Came back to see what Incarna was about. Now I see what Incarna is about.
Broken promises Greed and for the very first time I see CCP s**tting on it's customers.
Way to go dummies.
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Senedane Zyremdez
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[826]
Originally by: Monev Szutef
Originally by: Sedilis You've had your chance Zulu. let Turbefield speak!
Turbefield, Master of Spreadsheets can fix this!
Really? Last time I checked Zulu held rank in that contest.... Turbefield can say whatever he wants (and gawd bless his opinion) but it's the people making actual decisions the playerbase needs answers from.. By the way, in case the staff missed it, want to make sure this got asked:
Are game enhancing items going to be sold for MT?!?
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Andares Sol
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[827]
Originally by: Elondris Singh Dear CCP.
$80 != Micro.
That is all.
Once the $ and Ç crumble and the hyperinflation starts, it might be
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Susitna
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[828]
You did not really address my main concern. I want to know what CCP's policy is going to be concerning MT? Will it be limited to vanity only? Why have you not answered this simple question?
As a long time EVE customer I think you owe me an answer to the question. Players have a significant investment in time and money in your game. I would like to able to make an informed choice about continuing to invest my time and money in your game. Right now I have strong doubts if your vision of the future if EVE match my expectations. I will be clear and honest with you. I will not play this game if you intend to go down the aur for none vanity items. If you continue to avoid answering the question I can only assume you are being deceptive and do not want to be open and honest with your player base.
As for Incarna, it is without a doubt the worst expansion I have ever seen and I have seen many. Zero new content that I am interested in. If you think it is a success there really is a disconnect between our expectations.
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Azureusi
Cargo Container Rotation Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[829]
Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
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Dardanos Herakles
Caldari Forced aggressions Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[830]
Edited by: Dardanos Herakles on 24/06/2011 22:04:44 sticking feathers up your butt does not make a you a chicken CCP ---Tyler Durden after Incarna
-2 subs
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Sigurs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[831]
Excellent Damage Control, You are just feeding the flames.
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Thodol
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[832]
I cant even voice how disappointed and disgusted I am with CCP. I do not know who is in charge but this is brand name and customer trust destruction. Your replies and explanations for the unacceptable **** is WORSE than the original offending material.
People need to be fired, stockholders should take note.
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Hutchimon
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 -
[833]
I for one wasnt avidly in uproar about all this but this must be said
YOU DONT PUT OUT THE FIRE BY ADDING PETROL
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:03:00 -
[834]
Well they've gone completely silent again..... Another waste of time.. I got the imprssion ZUlu was supposed to be talking to us in this thread???? Pffffff!
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:03:00 -
[835]
Originally by: Azureusi
Originally by: Randal Eirikr
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
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Worzel Bummage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:03:00 -
[836]
All you need to say is:
1. MT will be vanity only 2. We'll give you ship-spinning back
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Muchos Besitos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:03:00 -
[837]
Even if CCP comes back with a letter stating they will not go beyond vanity AUR items, at this point they already lost my respect. We are deemed their cash cows for eternity. We are no longer part of an epic game that stood by itself.
-2 subs
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Glaso Fruix
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:03:00 -
[838]
So basically he tells us to F.u.Ck Off? Amirite or amirite?
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:03:00 -
[839]
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:04:00 -
[840]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 24/06/2011 22:04:41
Originally by: Galamia Time to choose whether or not to continue to pay to be insulted.
What's to choose? If you put up with being treated like ****, expect to be treated like ****.
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Elondris Singh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:04:00 -
[841]
Originally by: Evalon Fury I got the imprssion ZUlu was supposed to be talking to us in this thread????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
*deep breath*
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!
*deep breath*
Seriously. You're funny. ____ What CCP Needs:
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Antibac
Maul Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:04:00 -
[842]
This dev blog does not address the important question at all.
Will you be selling items for Aurum that affect gameplay?
This is the crux of the issue. If Eve is going to gradually move towards a "pay cash, win game" model, people rightly want to know that's what you are planning. No-one wants to spend years of their life building up to great things in game through hard work, co-operation and sacrifice, if some idiot with a trust fund can come along and buy the same thing with dollars.
Eve was/is a game world where you guys at CCP wanted to move everything to player-created, making a virtual economy that depended on the carebears and the pvpers living in symbiosis. What has happened to that vision? Is it being washed away by blind ideology that games should be driven by virtual goods sales? Eve is different, don't ruin it by trying to make it conform to a model that doesn't suit it, please.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:04:00 -
[843]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
we have tried telling you things construcivly for months, you do not care. its very clear your only intrested in milking the cash cow.
screw the price of the MT shop. its of no importance and tbh it really only shows your greed, but currently gives no one an advantage so who actually gives a ****.
you quite clearly have lied about the direction you want MT to go and what your willing to sell for for cash.
incarna is a dog of a patch and for you to call it succesful only shows your lack of ingame experiance and knowledge.
1.incarna and CQ should be optional and not detract away from game fucntionality. both of these points need adressing quickly or you will loose players.
2. no in game advantage, items, services or products to be sold no matter what you charge for them
address these 2 points and all will be well. dont address them and your cash cow will wander off down the street and die to a passing MMO and you will be out of a job. was that construcive enough?
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[844]
Originally by: Linis Erens The overeaction by the player base is hilarious. They seem to think they are entitled to cheap cosmetic items. And lol at a business plan that has the goal of destroy said business.
Keep up the good work CCP. A lot of people will look back in 6months and realise how silly they were.
Yup, for even having kept subscribed after Dominion, Tyrannis and Incursion. I was willing to put some trust in this company, even letting them have 18 months. I feel stupid and used in retrospect.
Overreaction show we care. We made CCP. Now we're breaking it.
Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu |
Thanagherion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[845]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
You do understand that deflection will feed the discontent... it will feed the dissatisfaction. If you wish for a focused and reasonable discussion you should start by using those criteria on your communications.
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Lynx Amurie
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[846]
Originally by: Harleen Frances Quinzel
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
How many times does this have to be reposted before one of you imbeciles gives us an answer? CCP; lying to our faces since 2003 |
Cpt Stratos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[847]
Edited by: Cpt Stratos on 24/06/2011 22:06:21 Must be nice to be able to own a $1,000 pair of jeans. Mine cost around $25 from JC Penny.
Only way I could afford an expensive PC was to have a pricing plan from 18 months no interest, is CCP going to offer something like that for the vanity items? And possibly whatever stuff they add for Micro Transactions? /sarcasm
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[848]
And what about Liang Nuren and Helicity Boson?
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Mynex
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[849]
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
This.
My accounts run out in a few days anyway, I wont consider logging in again until this has been answered.
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Crunchmeister
Gallente Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[850]
Linkage
Well, was I right, or was I right? Nothing was addressed. It was a weak post to make it seem like the issues are being considered, yet, none of the issues are really being addressed at all. However, one thing that does suprise me is the "F-U" undertone in the blog. Seems that CCP's idea of diplomacy it to outright tell their entire community to stuff it where the sun don't shine. Way to go. You got your freeloaders... erm... sorry... CUSTOMERS mad as hell with poor design decisions and outright contempt for them, and then you basically put out a condescending blog telling off the people that put that pay your salary. Good job.
I don't like the future path that seems to be planned out for Eve. The fact CCP are unwilling to confirm or deny the notion that this RMT scheme is going to expand to game-changing items means they're hiding something. And I can guarantee that if any such scheme where real money = exclusive, game changing items, SP, or anything else that would giving people with deep pockets an unfair advantage over someone who's been playing the game by the rules for years, I'll be out of here permanently. Spare me the "You can buy PLEX" with ISK story. With the nber-nerf of 80+% of null sec space, very few people other than top-level alliance leaders and botters will be able to generate the kind of ISK required to be able to buy these high end items - at least with the current pricing scheme you have in place.
So good job. 3 of my 5 accounts will be going inactive when they expire in the coming weeks. It's pointless to "cancel" them, as they'll still be "live" until the sub runs out. Your unoptimized spaghetti code won't allow me to run more than 2 clients at a time - even on a relatively high-end machine - so I have no use for the other 3 accounts anymore. My 2 main accounts have a few months left on them. I'll see when the time comes whether it's worthwhile renewing them at all. And with the apparent direction of Eve, I'll probably be looking elsewhere for my pew pew fun. And rest assured, that won't be with Dust. I refuse to touch anything that has Sony associated with it. Please don't make it so I have to do the same with anything CCP does.
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Skrupler
Gallente Future Corps
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[851]
That devblog is a ****ing joke and you know it. I wasn't planning on doing anything other than sit back and hope for some changes, but judging from your response in the blog im actually now unsubbing my accounts. And im not the kind of guy who usually bothers.
You better come up with a better ****ing excuse and some REAL ****ing answers soon or im gone!
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Mag Theron
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:05:00 -
[852]
Wow, that was so far from the mark (and the point)
Still, the fallout from this should be interesting to watch :popcorn:
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moola
Band Of Frogs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:06:00 -
[853]
Ahh at last i can rub Mr Soundwaves favorite catchphrase in his face.
Internet spaceships are serious business, they are if it pays your wages, good luck with that, subs cancelled.
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Angelica LeFevre
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:06:00 -
[854]
CCP locked down Jita :)
Instead of eve you can try a game called "real life". I hear there's more variety.
Originally by: Dex Ironmind Edited by: Dex Ironmind on 24/06/2011 21:09:56
What?
That's it?
This pretty much confirms it in my mind. The number 1 question being asked remains completely unanswered.
Will you be allowing Microtransactions for in game items such as ships, weapons, etc???
Clearly, Zulu's lack of a straight answer on this means CCP is leaving the door wide open for that option. These game-breaking MT's are coming and I will be leaving. I have already cancelled my subs. One dies in 4 days. The other in two weeks. The third in a month. Those cancellations remain in effect until they guarantee no MT's for real in game items!!!
Since this is likely not to happen, it is time for me to find a new game and a new game company that actually values its customer base instead of talking about us as cattle to be manipulated for their money in their company rag!! Too bad. CCP had the promise of being a gamer's company in an industry full of corporate bean counters.
Sad day indeed for the gaming community.
Dex was here.
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Lord Zengin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:06:00 -
[855]
"I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having."
--> YOU, Zulu, must be out of your fº$"!= mind?! You are making fun of us ... us who pay your paycheck! Your "answer" to >2000 posts of concerned Eve-players is nothing more than pathetic.
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Nath Blazek
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:06:00 -
[856]
This non response defensive pat on the back, self congratulatory, comtempt for your consumer, arrogance laden half attempt, is exactly why software engineers should NEVER EVER engage with the public they abhor.
I speak from 20+ years of real world experience and have to thank you for showing us that 200+ pages of rage didnt even make a dent in the detatched shell of a room uou live in.
Thank you again also for making certain my money does not fund another free lunch or cup of coffee spent on a CCP product.
I will however, take the equivalent amount of time i spent in eve letting anyome who will listen in the media, twitter, facebook and street corner that CCP is exactly like sony with swg only worse.
Ps sony just announced star wars galaxies closes forever in december. Im guessing ccps fate will repeat theirs as you were both equally out of touch and are incapable of understanding.
When management asks you what happened and you are polishing up resumes just remember this moment as the one turning point where you poured gasoline on a raging fire.
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:06:00 -
[857]
Originally by: Elondris Singh
Originally by: Evalon Fury I got the imprssion ZUlu was supposed to be talking to us in this thread????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
*deep breath*
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!
*deep breath*
Seriously. You're funny.
+1
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Powdah
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[858]
You having trouble loading the page Zulu, or are we going to wait another 200 more before the concerns we've clearly and repeatedly stated are addressed?
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Blonda Mea
Muppet Ninja's
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[859]
So you have basicaly said a big "**** you we will do what we want". Congrats
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VoT o7
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[860]
So let me get this right, by your logic everyone who plays eve must be rich and wears 1k+ pants?
TBH I think you're just going after all the cash cows that throw up 12-48 Plex at a time. You want to incurage this behaviour even tho you pull in over what? 40m a year to run this game on outdated software and source code? Like wow you finally upgraded the servers. It costs what? 3-6 million a year to run eve? Maybe if you spent less money on advertising this game all across the web you would make more of a profit??
Hell maybe you should put the money into hiring another 100 employees who can help fix all the balance issues with the game and all the stuff you trashed since 2006?
Last time I checked as well the economy in most areas is not that great yet you feel fully confident in yourselves to relase stuff in game for 64$$
Stop screwin up my game. I refuse to accept the fact that people may be able to by skills in game when I've spent months training for them. I refuse to accept the fact that some stupid eye piece costs more then my fitted Bhaalgorn. I refuse to accept the fact that you are destroying this game and trying to dumb us down to the mentality of other mmo players. But tbh I can refuse all of this as much as I want but It don't change the fact that this is what you're doing.
Older players and long term players control the economy of the game, what will you do when you flush them all out and the games filled with kids full of mt dew?
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Don Aubaris
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[861]
Dear Arnan, I congratulate you with your probably very successfull effort to become world famous in 'marketing bloopers in the 21th century'.
You have raging customers yet you find it necessary to congratulate yourself in the first paragraph for a job well done. euh...right. that will smooth things over.
You have an internal 'think out of the box' leaflet. Ok. Always good to have ideas tested. And indeed that's not company policy. ofc the little trouble is that you kinda forget to mention clearly what the conclusion of all that brainstorming was. What is the company policy?
As for pricing...don't think that is actually a problem. The right price is what an idiot will pay for it. Or something like that. Most people will therefor never shop at your place. Making a brand is hard job. And people will buy brand-stuff. But not if it makes them look like idiots. Perhaps you would have more success if you would sell starship paint. You know ...since this is actually a starship game.... give people some Red Baron - Red on their ships. Something one actually can show off or look at in a hangar instead of clothing that is irrelevant in a space ship game.
Now for myself I have some small extra issues. And I totally understand that you find this minor items, since they actually are about the playability of the game and not about uselesss things. I would kinda like to know if I get my original hanger back. The doctor says that staring at a wall will lead to a serious depression. Apparantly one gets an urge to smash it with ones head. Oh and my eye doctor says that trying to distinguish between an salvager and a tractorbeam can seriously endanger my eye sight. So any chance we can get some old/better icons? both on the action bars as on the targets.
PS. How much does that pay, Senior Producer? Just in case 'they' decide to send you on a promotion tour for that book I mentioned and there will be a job-opening. I don't have much skills for it, but it's clear CCP has a policy of 'learning on the job'. So I probably have a shot.
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[862]
Originally by: Mynex
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
This.
My accounts run out in a few days anyway, I wont consider logging in again until this has been answered.
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Mord Fiddle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[863]
@CCP Zulu
The tone of your posting to the Eve player community was openly insulting. That may have not been your intent. I'm sure it sounded much more sincere in Icelandic. However, in English it read as *****y and dismissive - to your customer base.
Really now, what were you thinking? Who runs your PR department, Hosni Mubarak? Did someone say, "We must crush these digital peasants or they'll walk all over us."? They're not an annoying mob you have to put down. They're your customers.
CCP has an evident internal business culture problem when it comes to dealing with the member base. You may not like or respect them, but they're the audience you chose. If you plan on being in the gaming industry much longer you need to turn that around.
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McPod
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[864]
Huge mistake, huuge!
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VoiceInTheDesert
Inroads
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[865]
Originally by: Linis Erens The overeaction by the player base is hilarious. They seem to think they are entitled to cheap cosmetic items. And lol at a business plan that has the goal of destroy said business.
Keep up the good work CCP. A lot of people will look back in 6months and realise how silly they were.
Congratulations on totally not getting it! Come to Old Man Star, Planet 1 to receive your prize! Be sure to come with the most expensive ship you have, as your reward will be proportional to how stupid you are.
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Dalmarog
Gallente Vergessene - Legion Desaster Area.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[866]
Originally by: RJBlues
Originally by: Elondris Singh
Originally by: Evalon Fury I got the imprssion ZUlu was supposed to be talking to us in this thread????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
*deep breath*
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!
*deep breath*
Seriously. You're funny.
+1
+1
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Memitim Deuce
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[867]
Well I've unsubbed my alt accounts, but if I don't see a turnaround soon my main will go as well.
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azrael211
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:07:00 -
[868]
Yuor blog explains the reasoning behind microtransactions which are a money generating feature. This I have no issue with its a business development line whihc you have now tested, felt the wrath of the community who will in turn settle down once some more reasonably priced items hit it; your also correct with these being vanity items therefore who cares unless you have too much isk or cash. In which case the cash/isk sink works.
I do not feel that CCP have address the whole CQ issue. How does this improve internet spaceships wars? and how does it improve the sandbox which EVE was always supposed to be? These questiosn should be asked about each development for EVE. The dev resources for this are not cheap and it seems to be that in terms of commiting resource to keeping people happy pushing boundries CQ has not delivered.
The underlying carbon technology has been a great development now please use it to make EVE great again...more internet spaceships please.
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mobius nm
Minmatar Imperativa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:08:00 -
[869]
So, apparently that nifty new billing interface app CCP implimented is the SOE one.
Anyone surprised?
CCP, care to C/D?
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Good Tin Samurai
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:08:00 -
[870]
Are we going to hear about the other complaints?
About Zulu's comments
'Fearless' - If you publish it, you are responsible for it. The dragging of people through the mud is a direct response to something that they were responsible for saying. They said it, you published it. As a company you are responsible for it as well. CCP is just as much to blame for them being put in the line of fire as the players who are attacking them are. You, CCP, owe those employees an apology for the bus your just threw them under.
'Price point' - For vanity items I could not care less what you charge for them. The fact that you started with such a high price point on a few items has done nothing to keep people from saying you are greedy. Get up from your chair, walk around the building you are in, then walk back in and think about what I just said. Your initial start to what was potentially a lucrative market was horrible and deserves the mass ridicule that followed.
This blog post is really a non-answer in my opinion. Its only purpose was an attempt to get players off the back of the CCP staff that are being targeted by the player base as 'part of the problem'. The reasons the players are angry for the most part was not even hinted at in this blog:
-No 'golden ammo' or items that cannot be received in game via game play. (no 99% resist 8/8/8 battelships for 10,000 aur only available in NeX) -Vanity items only preferred -Make CQ an optional thing, bring back the hangar and give us a button to load it if we want to go in. -Stop removing functionality. Drag and drop, right click on ship to do things, etc. Don't make this is BFF for some other month thing either, get it done now. -Dual graphic detail levels. 'in space' needs separate settings from 'not in space' -Make considerations for players with alt accounts. This latest version is a resource hog, and because of it I have cancelled both of my alt accounts. If the footprint of the game is going to be this large then I see no reason to bother signing them back up. Last month $45, next month $15. I know I an not alone on this and it is up to you to decide if the NeX can offset that cost. Oh, and if you think you can, please let us all know that. -I would appreciate it if you would stop using us as beta testers for every update, the reimbursement policy is such that when you do these updates I don't dare use any expensive ships (no I will not buy a GTC to replace it either).
Incarna right now is just a framework and it crippled computers and angered a lot of players, how can you expect it to hold any weight? As I stated above, I am speaking in the forum and with my wallet. Your turn.
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Lain Runner
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:08:00 -
[871]
Originally by: Antibac This dev blog does not address the important question at all.
Will you be selling items for Aurum that affect gameplay?
IMO, they know the answer but it is too early (for them) to say something.
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Amdor Renevat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:08:00 -
[872]
Fearless- I'm fine with the answer. Internal publication, designed to generate debate, not official policy. No problem so far.
NEX pricing- Basically I'm understanding that you think some people need to spend a lot of money on clothes to feel good about themselves IRL. I'm from a different end of the spectrum where clothes were meant to prevent us from breaking indecency laws and cost mattered cause food and bills were more important than looks. So we've got a huge gap here in philosophies on what's cool and what's considered reasonable pricing but since I don't have to purchase the items in the end my point of view doesn't really matter.
The biggest generation of rage on the forums was left unanswered though. Vanity items are one thing, items that give a combat advantage are what is concerning the player base and that subject was surprisingly ignored. Considering the big difference in opinion in pricing I won't be surprised to see a big difference in what's considered reasonable to put on the market some time down the road.
Overall I think your blog is even less helpful than the apology post and I imagine this thread will rival the other one for frustration and feelings of distrust.
I haven't been a player for very long, but even I can see that the vets are upset, people who like this game are not happy and there is a very real chance for a drop in subscription revenue if the player's inputs aren't listened and acted upon. This seems like a subject that the subscribers aren't willing to sit idly by as an unpopular change is made.
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Dan Estrellas Amigo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:08:00 -
[873]
Edited by: Dan Estrellas Amigo on 24/06/2011 22:10:51
Originally by: Lynx Amurie
Originally by: Harleen Frances Quinzel
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
How many times does this have to be reposted before one of you imbeciles gives us an answer?
Plus, we want a respectful choice to not use the system-burning CQ; not just a picture of a door. Return system-friendly ship hangar please, with "Leave Pod" option.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:08:00 -
[874]
It took how long to write that?
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Lhanisa Khinan
Amarr Morning Glory Media
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:08:00 -
[875]
Wait, this is it?
This is the thing you've been telling us to sit tight and wait for, to hold off on our pitchforks and torches until? THIS? What the hell happened to all the information from the forums your PR team was supposedly sending up to you guys, CCP? How is this, in part or at all, supposed to assuage the rage burning your forums to cinders and charcoal?
You told us what Fearless was, but ignored our pricing concerns outright. You touched on the current Vanity MT issue, but refused to even acknowledge our concerns about pay-to-win. And above and beyond everything else, you can't even offer a reason why, after making promises to the playerbase on TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS, one a compromise I think most of us were willing to swallow (no MT ever > only vanity MT) you had anyone, for any reason, writing about pay-to-win MT, either from an exaggerated or genuine viewpoint, whether it was their personal view of things or not.
You have broken trust left and right throughout this incident and have now told us to wait for a non-answer that you thought, for SOME REASON, would be enough, when it's far and away from. We don't want soft words about the point of Fearless (though the clarification of purpose was appreciated). We want a hard commitment, one way or another, on the subject of MTs that influence the actual game world. There will be a definite end to the madness infecting everything when we get a solid commitment, one way or another, or at least I'd think so.
But don't think this is an "any answer is a good answer" situation. Saying you won't ever implement pay to win will result in you, I imagine, keeping a lot of subscriptions and at least start you on the road to reconciling with a very angry consumer base. Saying you will, from my perspective, would result in a lot more account cancellations and a very empty game.
This could be the moment you save EVE, or it could be the big death that comes before the little death. The outrage and mass cancellation to come before the long period of decreasing activity, and a huge world populated by smaller and smaller numbers. A whisper and gone.
Please, please make the right decision. No matter how angry I am right now at what I think is an insult to the playerbase and our concerns, I love this game and I want to think of CCP with pride again. I don't want to lose one of the purest sandboxes in the MMO world, and in fact the video game world in general. So please, don't burn us more.
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Kallynda Nai
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[876]
Originally by: Powdah You having trouble loading the page Zulu, or are we going to wait another 200 more before the concerns we've clearly and repeatedly stated are addressed?
Or not addressed as was the case here.
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DraconisAlpha
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[877]
Now, is that only my impression or Zulu doesnt understand (and CCP doesnt understand) that they failed?!
"Sorry" what a strange and difficult word uh?!?
I dont understand that bad-hidden superiority by CCP big names. Seems like they joked me. Again.
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Tam Althor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[878]
What a load of crap, that blog is more like a god damn troll post.
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[879]
Jesus Christ Zulu, you certainly didn't miss this opportunity to miss this opportunity.
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Sasha deDeteis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[880]
This devblog feels like being in a courtroom for just a parking ticket and the judge is taking the **** at you and raises the fine tenfold while laughing and pointing, this all diligently of course and with the utmost respect.
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Gallosek
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[881]
I agree with the article about not picking on individuals. Even if someone meant it at the time, give it a break, I think they'll get the message with targetting them individually.
I know you only addressed a couple of issues in this response, but the BIG one is the suggestion of allowing AUR purchase of game-breaking, unbalancing items and services. Poor show.
Back on subject, how you address pricing structures totally misses the point of micro transactions. The whole economic point of a microtransaction is to encourage people to spend insignificant amount of money on each item, but to sell them in very large volumes (because "another 50c is nothing").
So the most advanced RL space ship costs US$1.7 billion http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/about/information/shuttle_faq.html#1
In game the RL Money > Plex > T3 cost is about US$40, and how many US$2.2 billion pairs of trousers are you likely to sell?
For every $1000 pair of trousers, you'll find 1000 different $5 pairs, where are the mass market items?
Before you say capsuleers are gods among mortals, not all of them are. You want to increase the interest to noobs? Only having items costing billions of isk is a bit... odd.
I suspect you did it because the items never wear out. Seriously though, I spend more on eve in a year than I spend on clothes already, why on earth would I want to spend huge amounts extra on it?
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[882]
And what about Liang Nuren and Helicity Boson?!
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fuubar19
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[883]
Wow. Well here's my first, and last, post on these forums.
Been a fun couple of years, but I won't pay to be insulted like this.
-2 subs.
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[884]
That was probably the most pathetic response I've ever read. Are you really that stupid CCP? Fearless? Idiotic more like.Courage is one step away from utterly stupid and horrendously arrogant.
"Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? "
People think I'm an idiot if I wear a pair of jeans that cost $1000. Half a days developer time for $70 monocle per time? **** that. Get real, look at DLC for other MMO's. $5, $10 max. $20 for a complete expansion to a game. YOU ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE GAMES INDUSTRY!
The different is CCP, is that it takes a an artist a day to make one of your vanity items, only once. You charge $50 for it. When I buy a pair of jeans it costs money to manufacture them, grow the cotton that goes into them, each pair is made by a factory worker, its shipped to my local store. See why it has value yet?
Do you really think we're that stupid?
"In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous -" It looks ****, it performs ****, it contains no content, needed 2 additional patches and an extended down time. Thats not sucessful, thats **** poor.
"I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having."
No, you've made it worse. Your arrogance and lack of apology has actually made me fume. Before I was just a little bemused by your overpriced ****e but now I've lost all respect for you and CCP.
"Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them." Exploitation will get you people's hate. Deal with it. Maybe a teaspoon of concrete is needed? Harden the f....
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[885]
This about sums it up, and it's from one of your own CCP:
Linkage
Originally by: The longer you stay the more it hurts
Pros
The Reykjavik office is very family friendly and youÆll often find children running around the office. During lunch it is also acceptable to bring in spouses and children. If you have a family and want to spend additional time with them this could be a way.
ItÆs a place where anyone can get a start in the industry because turnover in departments like QA is still rather high. The way you talk matters more than your actual experience and you can take advantage of this during the interviews.
The Atlanta office is a different place and doesnÆt suffer from the serious unprofessionalism as much as the Reykjavik office. The sad thing is that they too pay the price by seeing their work halted for years at a time to jump ship and bandage EVE up.
Cons
The lack of professionalism is mind blowing. Procedures that are common in other companies are not used here and considered a waste of time. There is no solid vision for EVE which leaves employees with no other option than to start work and find out what is wanted by trial and error, this is what CCP means with Agile development.
Fun game play is not a priority, promises made to investors and aesthetics are. æIf it looks good then it is goodÆ is an often heard motto. CCP is committed to use technology in EVE as well as WoD and DUST, so certain features are made and used in EVE knowing they will not be fun, nor fit EVE and no one expects them to be appreciated by the playerbase. Alienating the playerbase of EVE further. Objections from employees who point this out are waved away.
CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itÆs cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees.
Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.
Career progression is nonexistent unless you become friends with the right clique of people and use the right corporate buzzwords. Hard work is not something that will set you apart, most people work hard until they become so disillusioned as they realise it makes no difference and slack off.
Combine this with the below average pay (CCP pays 30% to 50% less than other companies) and youÆll often hear a lot of frustration when work is discussed outside of the office by people who have been here for some time. The longer you stay the less you start to care about the game you develope, because no one else does.
Advice to Senior Management
Recruit very senior people from the games industry and actually listen to what they say. Stop believing your own hype.
We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you.
/I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Emptiness.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:09:00 -
[886]
If CCP thinks we are the kind of people that think someoen is cool because they are wearing a $1000 jeans. Then they have no clue at all of the type of people that play their game!
We are playing internet spaceships at a friday night! The absolute majority here are geeks! As a general rule of thumb we despise those values, and we despise people that think they are cool because thye wear an expensive jeans.
And its offensive to a lot of us to even suggest that we would think that is cool!
CCP get in tough with reality (of your game community), its nothing like your own office.
I for once wil treat as badly as I can anyone in game that I know that have bought such items. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Sanakan Seidensha
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[887]
I don't get the rage going on in here. Maybe someone can explain how anything changes with Aurum?
Currently in EvE, you can be a noob, get fresh into the game, buy a load of Plex, use them to buy a char, use them to buy your char a mom and all the shiny stuff to fit it with. Will sure beat those other noobs in ther Impairors, dont' you think? If that is not power for $$$ already being a reality in EvE and has been forever, then I don't know what is...
So what's new here?
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Inflicted Fear
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[888]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
What I want to know is why fearless was even published? Because at this stage it seems like a really poor idea with Dust512 just around the corner. Sentiments such as "Customers are cash cows" in the public domain, now really has to hurt.
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Morae
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[889]
So if I'm reading this correctly, you've completely avoided responding to any of the issues at hand, while simultaneously calling your customers big poopypants meanieheads.
It took you all day to write this? Really?
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Carebear with Issues
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[890]
Originally by: Toanfoal Edited by: Toanfoal on 24/06/2011 21:27:45 Dear CCP Zulu,
The tone of your blog-post is 100% fail. The content of your blog-post is virtually worthless, but I will stubbornly respond, nonetheless.
1. No one cares about how smooth or not smooth Incarna's release was. Way to pat yourself on the back while Rome burns.
2. "Fearless" - 1st of all, most people are ticked off that you even felt the topic of 'more microtransactions' was worthy of discussion. We thought you were better than that, and our disappointment knows no bounds. "Everyone else is doing it" is the excuse of a 12 year old kid, not an A-list game developer. 2nd - perhaps CCP Soundwave was just following orders. Fine. Fire whoever told him to write that column. It's quite simple - if you want to keep making ANY money from us, someone needs to take responsibility.
3. Pricing structure... yawn. This is just a stupid issue. You chose to introduce CCP-spawned, permanent, indestructable objects into a player driven, 'everything-else-is-destructable' economy, so yeah - I understand that you either have to charge a ridiculous price for those objects or they will almost instantly saturate the system. Many other people don't understand this, but you know what - you did a crap job of explaining that to people.
You have done nothing to placate the masses. I strongly suggest that you and your co-workers look up two important events in MMO history:
1. The Star Wars NGE
2. The Blizzard RealID fiasco
In one case, SOE got greedy and wanted to broaden their playerbase by restructuring the game. Their players cried out, SOE did not listen, and now the game is dead. It's a joke. You should be glad they screwed up, cause SWG was your only other sandbox competition. But you should certainly not try to one-up their mistake.
In the other case, Blizzard got greedy and wanted to inject the Facebook craze into WoW. Their players cried out, Blizzard listened, and a disaster was averted.
You need to get conciliatory quickly, you need to take responsibility, and you need to prove to your community that you have learned your lesson and the direction of Eve has been re-aligned. Good luck.
Quoted for wisdom.
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CANHAZNAMECHANGE
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[891]
Edited by: CANHAZNAMECHANGE on 24/06/2011 22:12:50 So... CCP Zulu you should run to become the Forseti -slands. You definitely know your way around avoiding topics that you don't want to talk about.
Now how about you delete this blog. And take off the big pants and join your community down here. We are here, your game is nothing without us. Why wont you listen to us. Sure, maybe some people do spend huge bucks on clothing IRL. But that, and this seems to be what the entire company is missing, is REAL LIFE. This is not real life. This is a video game and should not pretend to be real life. That said if you keep micro-transactions you need to look at your prices and get an honest reality check. Because if you were even part of the same world you would think for a second and see how unreasonable you are being. But I urge you to look at games like Star Trek Online. I urge the community to look at that game. They started with "All items in the store will be ascetic only" as well. Now you can buy star ships that are way better then anything on the market and even super weapons and dreadnaughts. This ALL WAYS gets out of hand. Never does a micro-transaction based system end well for the client base or the devs. Stop what your doing and think. You don't need "The Cycle". Eve worked before it... not so much with it as the market hubs are closed. And it will work after it.
I doubt you will bother reading this if your former PR is any sign, But i can hope right?
P.S- I have other opinions on the way your handling this issue as a whole. But I cant express them for fear of becoming Mr. C
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[892]
Originally by: Bloodpetal
Does CCP Promise Vanity Items Only?
They can promise anything. They were promising no MT at all less than a year ago.
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Jaak 242
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[893]
Zulu, it's difficult to go beyond un-subscribing in response to your total cluelessness, but I would if I could.
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ariana ailith
Aribar Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[894]
With so many accounts cancelled... Can i have your ISK?
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Fondon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[895]
This devblog is disheartening.
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Starlight Eternal
Minmatar Bene Tleilax technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[896]
Edited by: Starlight Eternal on 24/06/2011 22:11:13 This blog is a ****ing joke! To put it mildly, if this blog was nuclear bomb and you were given it to kill a fly, you just detonated it in a wrong god damned galaxy. That's how much you were off target.
Procrastination won't get you out of this one! Your refusal to answer important questions won't go away if you simply turn "ignore" switch on. Ignore switch just gets you more and more canceled subscriptions by the hour.
If it looks like **** and if it smells like **** it probably is ****! Answer the real questions we asked in the threadnought!
WILL YOU MOVE BEYOND VANITY ITEMS FOR AUR???
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Pistonbroke
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[897]
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Erik Finnegan
Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[898]
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[899]
You are so far detached, it's not even funny Zulu. Nothing short of a personal apology and reassurance of "No non-vanity microtransactions ever" from Hilmar himself will get me to ever give you greedy bastards another penny of my money. ---------------
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:10:00 -
[900]
The Eve community loves graphs. Stick a graph in this blog showing how wildly successful AUR has been and we'll shut up about the monocle, but you have to follow that up with an answer to whether or not we will have to spend AUR to stay competitive in the future.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Taleris Kline
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:11:00 -
[901]
Wow, this is supposedly the best MMO community and this is what we have to show for ourselves.
Point #1: If I was Hilmer I would order the forums shut down until the community can get a healthy dose of perspective. The major question of "Will there be non-vanity item in the NEX store?" is not a topic of this dev blog. CCP Zulu clarified as much and still the community ignores the point of the dev blog. THIS IS A GAME!. THIS IS A HOBBY! Do you guys really like what you've turned into over a hobby? Can you really look in the mirror and be proud of raging this much over a hobby? This is how riots happen after a sporting event. How silly do these look? We have it right here.
Poing #2: A better question to be asking is acknowledging that this is not the blog with the answer to THE QUESTION and asking who is responsible for it.
Point #3: Subscribers do not write the paychecks for CCP employees. NEWSFLASH! Those checks are written by CCP incorporated. Does anyone truely know where CCP gets all of their money from? Threatening CCP employees paychecks is not only wrong but just shows immaturity.
There are ways to disagree respectfully and there are ways to look like a total jerk. I'm seeing many more jerks than people with something intelligent to say.
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Zalyz S'venfirion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:11:00 -
[902]
The main questions are unanswered. Terrible response. I expected better from you guys, really.
Are MTs going beyond vanity items or is that all? What I care is about game balance without extra money affecting it.
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Latrodanes
Independent Combat Support Services
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:11:00 -
[903]
Wow, just wow.
I wrote a long post about what the heck is CCP doing/thinking, but really just wow.
I'm already down to just keeping training going until this account and one other cancelled account expires. I might just stop that as well. Two other accounts already cancelled based on Incarna (WoD beta) prescience.
Wow.
Sadness.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:11:00 -
[904]
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 22:14:39 You're comparing the "Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?" to a... A common implant found throughout New Eden, the Looking Glass ocular implant offers vision enhancement or replacement beyond the capabilities of low-profile prosthetics. Filters, lenses, NeoCom interface, and blackbox video recorders are all standard issue with this implant.
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Korbin Dallaz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:11:00 -
[905]
Edited by: Korbin Dallaz on 24/06/2011 22:12:06
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
Arnar
You guys don't get it. You are dancing around the 500 pound gorilla in the room. The more you try to re-frame the discussion and spin this thing or try to straw man this topic into something more favorable the more our worst fears are reinforced and the more ****ed we get.
We can tell what your plans for the future are by your actions in the present. The fact that you can not opt out of the insanely obvious marketing propaganda the CQ is and the fact that AUR is the only thing in our wallet that is bright aqua colored so as to stand out so we can't miss it tells us volumes about where your intent and focus lies. If this was truly about giving options to players and not a get rich quick scheme you would make leaving your ship optional and AUR would be the same white color as everything else in our wallet.
We don't want to pay $15 per month to be actively involved in a propaganda marketing campaign.
Cable TV started out as paying money to not have commercials. When they started putting commercials on TV I paid to watch I canceled my subscription. I used to buy DVDs when the started putting commercials on DVDs I stopped buying them. When the went from previews before the movie started in movie theaters to commercials 10 minutes after the movies was supposed to start I stopped going to movies. I want a game that is fun to play and that my $15 per month is all that is asked of me. I do not want to pay to be marketed to. You can either provide me that service or you can not.
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Raz Xym
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:11:00 -
[906]
Edited by: Raz Xym on 24/06/2011 22:12:15
Originally by: Glaso Fruix So basically he tells us to F.u.Ck Off? Amirite or amirite?
You are right. Greed is Good. It is SO EASY to control greedy money grubbing little fools. They only care about one thing. So take it away from them.
Cancel.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:11:00 -
[907]
Originally by: CCP Zulu
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
and i'm telling you i still don't understand your strategy. does you economist agreed to that ? if so, i want HIM to blog to explain me how does this make sense from an economical point of view !
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 -
[908]
So where was the talk about making CQ optional?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Kersh Marelor
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 -
[909]
Originally by: Gilbert Intaki CCP (Zulu)]/.../ You're a God damn disgrace! WHO PAYS YOUR BILLS??
Unfortunately we do... and he goes posting something like this. For our money. Pretty ironic.
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Solidbreakdown
Caldari Moonshine Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 -
[910]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 -
[911]
Originally by: Lynx Amurie
Originally by: Harleen Frances Quinzel
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
How many times does this have to be reposted before one of you imbeciles gives us an answer?
Their answer is obviously "Yes, we will move beyong VANITY AUR items", that is why they don't want to answer that question...
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Dobbs Head
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 -
[912]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
Hey,
Thanks for the update. I don't think that the blog fully addressed what folks seem to be upset about, though. Seems to be that a mob mentality has flared up over a perceived betrayal. It won't matter what issue you choose to talk about if you don't correct the perception of betrayal. It doesn't really matter whether or not there was any intent to actually follow through on some of the different ideas presented by the different folks in the internal newsletter, the perception of serious consideration of ideas which many folks think of as dangerous to the continuation of their virtual lives as they know them is present. It's only a game, but paradoxically it is also more than a game.
I would think that you might want to extinguish the source of the fire that's burning your house, so to speak. Yeah, I have no idea how you should go about doing that, sorry. Blunt honesty about specific items from the newsletter, perhaps? It wasn't supposed to be a public item, yet here it is. You may as well open up the brainstorming on each idea with the whole EvE community. Establish some threads to talk reasonably about each point. That way everybody feels as if they've been heard. Of course, those who want to rage will rage anyway, but that's probably just the way they are. I don't know if that idea would do any good for you, but it might.
As far as the brainstorming by CCP employees in the newsletter is concerned, personally I'm not bothered by it at all. Companies have to brainstorm about various things in order to progress. EvE has existed for quite awhile, and I've got no doubts that it will continue to exist for a long time to come. There is no other game like it.
Funny thing about all the comparisons to Star Wars Galaxies: New Game Enhancements: If you look around, you'll find a lot of posts by folks who quit out of sheer disillusionment who went back to it after a couple years and found the changes were actually pleasant, but by then the damage to SWG's reputation was done. When you're too close to something, you sometimes can't appreciate the value of change. But that doesn't eliminate the serious danger of the perception of betrayal to any company.
Anywho, Incarna looks like it has a promising future. I'm not really sure whether or not I'll purchase anything through the NeX, but judging by my history in mmo's I certainly might, lol. Probably not at those prices, though.
My only concern/request is over the loss of the hangar view. I'd honestly like to have the hangar as the default view with a "Disembark Ship" button right above the "Undock" button (or wherever you want to put it). To me, MMO's are all about freedom. The kind of freedom that you don't get in other games. Personally, I'd like the freedom to stay on the ship or disembark from the ship as I please.
Thanks for hearing me out, Dobbs
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Malak Artoo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 -
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Good job at totally avoiding the elephant in the room (again).
I guess I'll repeat my question again:
Will the MT store sell non vanity items or not?
Since all your recent communications failed on purpose to avoid the subject I assume they will. Subs are canceled and will not be renewed if that's the case.
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Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 -
[914]
Proving that once again CCP has no clue. --
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 -
[915]
Edited by: Yaay on 24/06/2011 22:14:17 CCP hasn't figured out yet that Zulu should not be allowed to post blogs?
Jesus what a horrible answer to a delicate problem. You are so out of touch with everything and you ****ing cowards wait til late late late Friday to post this to see if it blows over.
You really have no understanding of your game or your clients anymore.
Goodbye.
DD changes
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Artorius Pearson
Caldari WALLTREIPERS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 -
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Fearless?
Study History of MMORPGs, specially the case of Star Wars Galaxies, wich player base voices were ignored by developers. Star Wars Galaxies lost ninetynine percent of suscribers slightly after the launch of NGE (New Game Experience) and is going to definitively shut down its servers at this fall.
Pricing structure?
Obviously you dont understand your players point of view. Yesterday CCP was a company that served and developed a game for us and now we see a company wich is wasting time and our PC resources in unnecesary features like the Aurum and all that related ****. No comment for the fact that really our game experience has been affected when you decided not to do CQ an optional feature. But most important of the point, we see that CCP is opening a door to get more money at the expense of serious unbalance in game.
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admiral root
Caldari Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 -
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I seldom use my main to post but, CCP Zulu, your devblog response to the huge volume of dis-satisfaction that's been expressed on the forum in the past 48 hours is staggering. You haven't answered a single question and your attempt to slip in self-praise over the patch deployment suggests to me that you have seriously mis-judged the mood of your audience.
In all seriousness you are more than welcome to contact me in-game and I will happily assist you in writing a devblog that will change the vast majority of posts from (bizarre) anger over a computer game to something more along the lines of "it bloody took them long enough, but at least this time they're answering the questions". I'll even do it free of charge.
As I see it, that's option 1. Option 2 would appear to be that you have another crack at it yourself, but I've read your blogs in the past and you don't appear to be that good at damage control. That's an objective analysis of your postings, rather than a personal attack.
Option 3 is this:
Originally by: Lykouleon CCP Zulu, do us all a favor and resign. For the love of this game and the community we love, get out already.
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Astroyka
Caldari Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 -
[918]
Are you ****ing kidding me?
How the **** can u compare REAL life quality items with bag of **** virtual items?? You have clearly lost the ****ing plot!
The tirade of abuse and "****storm" relating to you internal newsletter is justified you ****-wits, your employees chose to commit those words to print hence they must believe them on some level so why the **** shouldn't they get a ****storm of abuse from the people that pay their wages!
To post that to the general populace and not expect even more **** being slung your way is laughable.
Quit now while ur ahead, give everyone ISK/SP/AUR and hope for the best cuz in the years that EvE has been up and running you are clearly losing the connection with the people that PAY YOUR ****ING WAGES!
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Jaak 242
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:14:00 -
[919]
Zulu, it's difficult to go beyond un-subscribing in response to your total cluelessness, but I would if I could.
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Goatse Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:14:00 -
[920]
from the Devblog
"but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life"
How the hell can you compare the two? virtual and real life clothes are totally different, yet you basically said it's justifiable to keep the price up. I say *** you and this game, run this mother into the ground ccp
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salsthethird
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:14:00 -
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First of all i would just like to say this is terrible.
Your example of using the spending $1000 on jeans because no one else has them and you want to look cool is a very bad example. Also if i spent $1000 on a pair of jeans i would want everyone to see them, who is going to see my brand new monacle in eve that costs $60? No one because im the only one that can walk around my captains quarters so no one will ever see a 3d version of them except me. I will take a guess that your portrait updates to show you own a monacle but $60 for a 2d picture of a monacle on my face you must be having a laugh.
I have played many mmo's that deal in MT or micro transactions wow being the main one, in most of these games the items you buy are vanity items and can be seen by everyone in the game and cant really be lost if you die. Now if you go down the route of selling ships in the nobel exchange this is the worst thing ever because these ships just become even more of a target in this game as they can be destroyed and lost.
I think you are failing to miss the point of the entire player base, some games can make money from mt and micro transactions but due to the nature of this game it is just not one of those. Maybe you should work on it for dust if this is the route you want to go down and make it fesable.
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:14:00 -
[922]
When it was first introduced in the Devblog, we assumed that the price points for vanity items would be quite a bit lower, and there would be more options to choose from. Instead, we get incredibly high prices that are insane for people to purchase. These aren't real threads. I pay $150 for my shirts, and over $1000 for my suits. Why the hell would I pay the same for pixels in a game? The idea that they should be equal is not fully getting the playerbase. Period.
In regards to your answer on the Fearless magazine, I understand and I think it's an adequate response.
If you were to introduce Incarna with an ample selection of clothes each for a small amount, say $1 or $2 each, then in the following months you can introduce more expensive things that you think people would want to purchase as "vanity" items. Let's face it - the current selection of clothes in the character creator is a little sparse, so we assumed that you'd be filling in that void with cheap alternatives. Eventually you'll be introducing vanity items.
If the goal is to make money, I don't think you'll succeed because the price point is way higher than the target market. If you want to make a market in Eve for these goods so it isn't saturated, make some truly amazing things that we want to buy, and make them cost whatever you think people will pay for them. But introducing such a low amount of products at the high cost is a slap in the face to those of us looking forward to playing with Incarna and experiencing the cool things it has to offer.
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KrustyKrab
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:14:00 -
[923]
I have cancelled all 7 accounts. 4 are 6-month subs with various end dates. 3 are PLEX and will expire in about 36 days (I'm sad now that I JUST re-PLEXED on all 3 =/)
Seems everyone in our alliance is doing the same. I highly suggest everyone that pays a recurring sub goes into their account mgmt and cancels their sub. This will be instant hard data to those in charge at CCP that this...whatever this is, isn't going to end well for them if they continue down this path of denial, lying, and not having a clue that there's a massive rift between players and developers.
Threadnaught doesn't even begin to describe this event. As Helicity said, it is a singularity event. When the bright flash comes, don't bother covering your eyes. Embrace it as the moment when a very large number of us have the biggest gaming moment of our lives. Both players and developers. We will talk about this for years in a way that makes the T20 event seem like an insignificant event.
I'm incredibly insulted by this devblog. I'm incredibly insulted by CCP's response over EVERYTHING right now. It is an utter slap in the face. I don't profess to know the inner workings of CCP, and I can only assume it is typical of other game developers/publishers in the sense that at some point money becomes more important than the products that are being sold to willing, passionate customers. Customers who absolutely do NOT want to believe this is happening are suddenly living the nightmare.
I've played since beta 2003. My wife earned her college degree doing homework every night while mining, missioning, etc. We've subbed repeatedly over the years, coming back to Eve when things like wormholes and T3's were introduced, and cancelled when things like T20 happened. If this is not resolved to our liking, this will be the last time we ever sub Eve again. Seven accounts isn't much in the big scheme of things, but that is $100+ per month that can go to paying off a mortgage early, saving up for a vacation, or playing other MMO's that haven't hit the failscade that Eve suddenly has.
I've rarely posted on these forums. I'm no one important, this isn't even my main (already cancelled him and couldn't be bothered to post with him honestly, this is the last post I'll make until something, or, nothing happens. I'm not even going to tell you what I think you need to do to resolve this. I think you can get a pretty good idea based on the massive firebomb that has exploded in your midst.
This post will get lost in the rabble and walls of text, but I'm ok with that. I hope someone at CCP reads it. The ride over the years has been incredible. No other game has given me the adrenaline rush and excitement as pvp in Eve has. I will miss it. But I won't be lied to, deceived, insulted, or placated. I won't even demand answers or satisfaction. What you DO will speak louder than anything you can say at this point.
Look at what is happening in Jita right now. Amarr. Look at what is happening on your forums. I'm seeing players post that I haven't seen post in years. I'm seeing in-game enemies, friends, alliance mates, etc posting. It is a shame. A downright shame.
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Trotula
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:14:00 -
[924]
We are in full witness of the DunningûKruger effect on this dev blog. Professors of social psychology Justin Kruger and David Dunning put forth the hypothesized phenomenon where "... people are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden: Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it.. ". In other words there are people that are so stupid they can't realize just how stupid they are.
We have a new poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect: CCP Zulu.
I'm sure someone can come along behind me with a Photoshopped example.
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Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[925]
What a **** dev blog , is this the explaining you tough would rest assure your clients?
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FireFoxx80
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[926]
Zulu,
A serious non-trolling question.
Why would I want to spend 2-8 month's worth of subscription on a vanity item? <1 month ($1-$15), sure; perhaps upto $50 for an uber-unique item. But you seem to be implying that $30-70 per-item is the norm; and that prices are likely to be outside these values ($100, $150?!).
I think CCP have missed the point of microtransactions.
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Talin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[927]
If you took a few minutes to look at my account time you will realize IÆve been around for a while, and IÆve read quite a bit about what has happened before. As someone who had the utmost Faith in CCP I canÆt believe how short sighted and downright arrogant that Blog was, while simultaneously not producing even the slightest hint at understanding.
As a person, a Player and endorser of EVE and CCP, I supported CQ, and Microtransactions for the good of the company.
CaptainÆs quarters is a fantastic feature, however you missed a mark by NOT releasing them all at once, and not giving us any kind of warning or timeframe as to WHEN you will be getting the missing ones to us.
One the hot bed of MicrotransactionÆs I was all for it so long as it was affordable and reasonable, and a way to improve players looks and feel. The idea that a pair of in game pants should go for anything over $5 real dollars is just freaking narrow-minded and wreaks of leaching customers for everything they are worth. You missed the point of Microtransaction, even more you missed the point of your own game. The fact it is a game should be enough to tell you just how much something as insignificant as a Monical is worth. The fact they cost over 80 in currency is justà I really donÆt have a word for it.
Guess what CCP, MicrotransactionÆs are not a status symbol, nor are they even equitable. Your pricing policy is prohibitive and makes a mockery of your customers. How you thought that would fly is beyond me. What especially baffles me is that there was a point when you told the community that based on our feedback you would adjust your pricing scheme accordingly. Where has that mentality gone?
More importantly however is helping the player in understanding your direction. Something you did not answer at all. In fact you want to far as to call your customizer base basically a bunch of opinionated dumbasses.
I personally canÆt condone the fact that people have targeted specific people for their opinions or dragged them through the mud. That I am ashamed of as part of the community. However that doesnÆt change that you answered nothing, gave your player base nothing, and basically just told us all to ****off.
If that is how you are going to treat us. I donÆt need you or your game.
I had been expecting an enlightened cool, and informative response from your Development team, and instead I got unimpressive jargon that didnÆt even manage to white wash me with pretty words and interesting opinions. You blog was essentially no better then some of the opinions on this Forum.
I understand that your angry at your player base for smearing your employeeÆs but its your duty as a representative of the company to be above the mud slinging of your more childish community and give us hard answers to hard questions.
You didnÆt do that Zulu, you didnÆt do that at all.
I really wish you hadnÆt gave all my fears about CCP credence. You were suppose to dash them, not make them larger.
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Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[928]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
We don't give a rats rump about this , answor the freakin question NOW!!
WILL MICRO TRANSACTIONS EVER GIVE AN IN GAME ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER PLAYERS BY THEIR PURCHASE?
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Roonia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[929]
I just cancelled my two alt accounts as well. **** this. CCP Zulu just basically gave us the finger, that CCP is going to do it anyway and may as well enjoy it....
...well they got another thing coming, at least from me.
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Magret Firewind
Caldari Krupp-Stahl Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[930]
Edited by: Magret Firewind on 24/06/2011 22:16:49 Edited by: Magret Firewind on 24/06/2011 22:16:02 There is always a distinct difference between what you send and what is received. So I'll let you in on what I received.
Basically you told me that CCP thinks it is cool to have virtual items, that actually cost more or as much as their real life counterparts, to impress my friends?
How old do you think I am? Jesus, what a pitiful life one must have if one needs to impress "friends" with his expensive pants, yet alone pixel ones?
How detatched can one get?
And the most important question wheter or not you'll offer game changing items has not even been touched, nice one.
Unsubbing was the right choice I guess... I am stunned in disbelief.
magret
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Dirk Smacker
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[931]
How much will horse armor be in the Noble Exchange?
Players would like to customize their avatar without spending more than they spend on their subscription. Why is that so hard to understand?
Avatar clothes is not real-life clothes! Holy cow, I can't believe that is in the blog as an explanation.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[932]
check out this un-educated arrogant moron:
(from LinkedIn)
Current ò Senior Producer of EVE Online at CCP Past ò Producer at CCP ò Content Director/Associate Producer at CCP ò Game Designer at CCP Education ò World <<<<<<< LOL
Working for CCP I've had hands on experience by working my way through the company to the current position. This includes QA work, both in regular testing and test server maintenance, game design; mostly game balancing and PVP mechanics and production and management. My never-ending ambition drives me to constantly be better and obtain new heights for myself and my company.
Scheduling, planning, hands-on game knowledge.
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Bodega Cat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[933]
I've worked in game development and can respect the fact that internal documentation does not in any way reflect the overall aims of the company as you suggested. The things published in those are never meant to be read by the public at large for this kind of reason, and i respect it fully. Its internal, and it doesn't get contextualized outside of the development process properly.
In fact, the amount of insecurity now that rules after people see good honest descent and debate from inside the company just re-affirms my position that people cannot handle "the truth" so to speak. Everyone keeps saying how they want to hear from you guys without "bull****" doesn't seem realistic of a request at this point. Those internal letters don't have a lot of bull**** in em and people are scared to death from it.
That being said, those insecurities by the community are at an obvious all time high right now after the dawning of an expansion that brings very little to peoples gameplay outside of a foothold into new content we can't see the ultimate direction in from this point.
You guys need to start doing some damage control, bring out some free ships and start trying to re-assure everyone that you guys do in fact have a lot of love and interest in your brilliant property that is EvE online.
damage control damage control damage control and eventually when we can walk out of our HQ to a casino or somethin, all the people that have quit might come back!
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Theviola Lin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[934]
I play this game cause i like internet spaceships and I love the sandbox. I dont need The Sim's in-space.
Oh, and Incarna really isnt that great right now. It's ok at best; and yes, I love my couch.
Fearless as a company value; that one made me rofl. It defo doesnt feel that way to me. Why hide for a few days and wait for a storm to calm down? Why not the courage to awnser the question with 'No, we will not add P2W content for the next year. We will evaluate that during the 2012 fanfest and look forward to an active open dialogue with our customers on the subject'
Fearless...
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[935]
My first and only thought after reading that was
That was it?!?
You guys have had a storm building for a while, and about 3 days of threadnaughts thrown at you, during which time you have apparently been monitoring the forums so you can accurately sum up our concerns to your bosses. That dev blog did nothing. Anyone could have had a 10 min overview of the situation and then written that blind. And no, that did nothing to address the elephant in the room. I don't think it's the only problem, but the last threadnaught had about 50+ pages of bright yellow bold oversized text asking a very simple question about the future of MT, specifically, will it remain vanity items only? You completely avoided this, COMPLETELY. We know from the disclaimer that the newsletter is opinions and viewpoints only, but they are the opinions of some very important people.
I guess that gives us the answer though....
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Anon Forumalt6858
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[936]
Are you ****ing kidding me right now? That in no way came even close to addressing the PRIMARY CONCERN OF YOUR CUSTOMERBASE!
1. Are you planning to move beyond vanity items and into game affecting items in the MT system?
2. Clearly define how you define the term "vanity items", so that you can't try to get away with anymore sneaky **** in the future.
We understand that if Soundwave had his way, we'd all be paying $3000.00 per year to play Eve, ala the golfer in his article example, but seriously...stop insulting our intelligence and get us someone important enough to address our actual concerns and not just the ones you wish we really had.
Sure, I'd love to downgrade the severity of the problems that I deal with at my job, but some things just aren't realistic.
This has done nothing but further enrage and alienate your customers, those that once loved you and your game...once upon a time...
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Dirk Altman
Caldari The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[937]
$1000 on a pair of jeans i mean common i have a good job and nice things but where does ccp think their players are spending $1000 on jeans lmao guess thas why they think its ok to charge that much for pixels my 2 accounts will stay canceled so i can go get me some of these jeans and be the envy of everyone in real life! player since 06 and i even thought this patch was kinda cool with the new guns and once CQ was fixed but im not going to be insulted.
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Gravedigger Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[938]
All I can say is "wow". As a Mac user, this is one of the worst patches I've gone through since joining EVE in late 2009 and the issues surrounding MT, CQ, and dual client use really concern me.
But still, even after reading the long threads all over Eve, Helicity's blog as well as others, and the sometimes hysterical raging, I remained somewhat ambivalent on what is happening. Then I read this response by CCP Zulu .... Wow. It actually ****ed me off.
For the first time I'm seriously considering unsubbing my plex accounts - two used for wormholing. I have a few months left on my six month sub account which I'll keep playing. Maybe I can get some null sec pvp in or something before it times out. I hope that something will change before it does. Otherwise, I don't really see the point of staying.
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Blyghme
Gallente Strohl Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 -
[939]
Thanks Zulu...
I was sitting on the fence about this until I could see how CCP responded. Now, based on your complete disregard for answering any questions, and instead telling the community to go jump, I am not going to be re-subbing my 3 accounts when they expire.
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octahexx Charante
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[940]
that didnt answer a single question. its a pure insult. and to top it off it was really smug and tried to inject guilt.
im not gonna rage anymore im just unsubbing instead you have earned it ccp.
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youneverguess
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[941]
[ Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Matzumisi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[942]
I do not care about vanity items at all. As long as they do not have ANY impact on game mechanics.
I'll keep it to jeans, as it seems to be a concept within people's grasp: no matter what kind of jeans you are wearing, you have same rights as another person, same opportunities. At least that's how it should be. If ccp introduces ingame items for real money, and by ingame items i mean those that have any kind of impact on game mechanics, be standings or, god forbid, sp. That will make the difference, as it will give advantage to those that use real money to boost their characters.
At present moment, players can buy items and ships for real money through plex system. I still deem it fair, as more fundamental things, such as standing and sp must still be earned, and because plex real purpose is to get game time, it's demand is limited. Aurum removes that limit, as it is possible to "use" plex to buy items (it is not the same as selling plex for isk, as in plex-> isk transaction the plex stays intact and can only be "used" if game time is bought with it (blowing it up is another option, though it is not that popular)). So before incarna, eve demand for plex was equal to amount of accounts that pay for eve with plex. Now it is infinite, which can skyrocket plex prices.
Now what will happen if ccp allows players to get standings and security status for money? I think it will make possible a whole load of griefing. "Smart Jita undock, pay 5$, rince, repeat". That's one scenario. Sp for real money? Well, everyone will be flying a titan. A 3 day old character, with enough money, will be as good as a 4 year old character without money. So players will be left with the following options: kneel_and_open_your_mouth/bend_over and entertain those_with_more_money_than_you | enter the real money race, e.g. spend as much as others do until you go bankrupt, in real life | quit the game.
It has been a long standing tradition, from long ago before eve existed, that real world wealth should not have effect on game experience. During last few years (yes, 7 is few) a new wave of online games spawned, which are not aimed on keeping a long-lived player population but rather rely on short lived/high revenue per capita populations. Korean fps, korean mmorpgs, some browser games. Lacking the quality and complexity to keep players interested for long, they suck them dry in a few months, players move to the next game with shinier swords / bigger **** / cutier pets.
That kind of economical model, in my opinion, won't suit eve, because of the complexity of the game. So if ccp will adapt rmt for non-vanity items in game, their next step, logically, will be to change the game for a new kind of player population. If the whole game will be experienced in a couple of months, it will call for simplification of game mechanics. Concepts of turret tracking, resolution, signature, optimal, falloff, angular speed and so on will be way too difficult and not interesting for the ludio novus, as it's mentality is "i pay money, now entertain me". So the game will have to be adapted, to become a bliss, pew-pew fireworks. "Making decisions that have effects and planning ahead is not funny". So i guess eve will have to become ankle-shallow to comfort the new kind of players.
Post TL;DR :
Vanity items are ok; other items - no. The infinite plex sink is not ok as it will probably skyrocket plex prices (i pay for accounts with rl money, but not everyone does). ZULU's blog is a fail.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
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Thanks for replying to the community's concerns.
I did however feel I just wasted 30 seconds of my life reading it.
Makes it pretty clear to me that you don't really care that much about your players and your only interested in ripping us off and fleecing us, which is a shame I held out for the longest time hoping that wasn't the case.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[944]
Originally by: Kalen C'Fean Well, I was going to do a long, in-depth, point-by-point comment on this dev blog, but the forum post limit won't let me, so I'll restrict myself to two key points:
1) This newsletter is fairly clearly not a selection of 'views and opinions', but a vehicle for justifying and/or selling the concept of microtransactions, and not just for vanity items. As should be abundantly clear by now, this is seriously objected to by the playerbase of Eve.
2) The prices of the items that are currently in the NeX store don't equate to $1000 jeans, as is the analogy given. The 'Sterling' Dress Shirt, for example, is 3600 AUR. 1 Plex converts to 3500 AUR. Plexs, on the market where my character is, range from 370-470m ISK. I can get a Raven battleship, in the region where my character is at, for under 100m. So, actually, if you think of a Raven as decent mid-range car, this shirt is like a pair of jeans that costs more than three times what you paid for your car, which, unless you got one hell of a deal on your car, is much, much more than $1000.
Very well put. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 8 days. |
Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[945]
hehe greed is good... thats what the bankmanagers said as they crushed the icelandic bank stuff...
should do again :-P
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[946]
Originally by: Taleris Kline Wow, this is supposedly the best MMO community and this is what we have to show for ourselves.
Point #1: If I was Hilmer I would order the forums shut down until the community can get a healthy dose of perspective. The major question of "Will there be non-vanity item in the NEX store?" is not a topic of this dev blog. CCP Zulu clarified as much and still the community ignores the point of the dev blog. THIS IS A GAME!. THIS IS A HOBBY! Do you guys really like what you've turned into over a hobby? Can you really look in the mirror and be proud of raging this much over a hobby? This is how riots happen after a sporting event. How silly do these look? We have it right here.
Poing #2: A better question to be asking is acknowledging that this is not the blog with the answer to THE QUESTION and asking who is responsible for it.
Point #3: Subscribers do not write the paychecks for CCP employees. NEWSFLASH! Those checks are written by CCP incorporated. Does anyone truely know where CCP gets all of their money from? Threatening CCP employees paychecks is not only wrong but just shows immaturity.
There are ways to disagree respectfully and there are ways to look like a total jerk. I'm seeing many more jerks than people with something intelligent to say.
DEV alt detected post with your main
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Reno Shinra
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[947]
what gets me , is micro means small - but these payments are hardly small when you have to spend nigh on 60 pounds in rl money to own 1 item.
Some of us play fb and there micro payments thing can be considered to have taken off - because for a few dollers you can get your moneys worth in items that are usefull and help in the game, i for one can afford 10 monicals but i will not be buying one ever the prices are rediculas !
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Wiqd
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[948]
That's a lot of letters on that blog just to spell out "F.uck You." To be honest, I didn't really care much about things that "might" happen. I was content with Eve and would at least play until I saw proof positive of the MTs, then quit. However, what I won't stand for as a consumer is basically being told "F.uck You" by someone on the team. I unsubbed, showed my 2 buddies the blog (and the debate which caused it to be posted) and they unsubbed all their accounts as well.
You may still have people playing and you may keep enough around / get new blood enough to run your company and keep Eve going, but there ARE other games out there and I'll be going to one now. I'm not so blind as to think me quitting will disrupt Eve's cashflow, but I won't stand for being told to shut up and like what I'm paying for. Might as well just not pay for it, right?
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Etioki Otumone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[949]
Edited by: Etioki Otumone on 24/06/2011 22:21:08 I am a new player, but I have been watching EVE for some years. I like Incarna and the future possibilities it predicts. Having said that, I understand the concerns of the players that have been spelled out over and over again and that CCP seem to ignore. That blog was an absolute failure. It is an empty piece of rhetoric that absolutely says nothing.
Again, I like Captains Quarters and I could care less about the Noble Store (although I personally think that the prices are very steep), but this blog seems to be written with a blatant disregard of the players concerns.
Not good, CCP.
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handige harrie
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[950]
So let me get this straight,
You post a devblog about something, yet you don't address it.
Really CCP, it's simple, just state that you Never will implement an non vanity Cash-shop.
but since you're not doing it, we can come to the conclusion you are going to implement a non vanity cash-shop.
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 -
[951]
How can somthing so simple be so difficult to answer?
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
Appauling sidelining from the issue at hand and no further monitoring of the situation in the thread that is designed by its very nature to bring resolve to the conflict. Seriously CCP, get someone online that has half a clue and let them at the strange plastic impliment with letters covering its surface.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[952]
Originally by: Vaneshi SnowCrash
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 17 August 2011.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
If you feel that this cancellation has been made in error, you can quickly and easily reopen your account by clicking below.
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 29 June 2011.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
If you feel that this cancellation has been made in error, you can quickly and easily reopen your account by clicking below.
Bite me CCP.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[953]
Anyhow, thanks for taking the time to answer one or two minor concerns, I'm sure writing that much was hard enough.
You're brave.
Now get your bosses to give you real answers, please.
Thank you very much.
Also have a nice Midsummer weekend anyway.
It's not your fault stuff got so complicated, I guess, even though it may be your job to talk to us :)
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RevJim
Gallente Onanists-R-us
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[954]
The hasty devblog said nothing we didn't already know.
I suspect we'll have to wait for the offices to open on Monday before we get an answer to the question "Will the AUR store sell non-vanity items for eve in the future?"
However, consider that CCP is trying to introduce DUST and finding a way of meshing the 2 games together. I fully expect AUR to be pivotal in this regard, as you will pay your mercs with AUR, maybe gain AUR when you 'win' I also suspect this could be construed as gaining an advantage through the AUR store.
Therefore the question becomes less clear, AUR will probably be used with DUST to gain advantage, and by consequence Eve.
If this is the case then I breathe more easily.
But if the idea is that there will be exclusive 'Eve' items to gain an advantage, such as those mentioned in the eve internal newsletter, guns ammo ships etc. then I will be leaving the game as I don't want to play a "Pay to Win" game.
RevJim
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[955]
Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 24/06/2011 22:18:19 I am deeply disheartened by this devblog.
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Logesh Sinulf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[956]
Originally by: youneverguess [ Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[957]
Originally by: Taleris Kline Wow, this is supposedly the best MMO community and this is what we have to show for ourselves.
Point #1: If I was Hilmer I would order the forums shut down until the community can get a healthy dose of perspective. The major question of "Will there be non-vanity item in the NEX store?" is not a topic of this dev blog. CCP Zulu clarified as much and still the community ignores the point of the dev blog. THIS IS A GAME!. THIS IS A HOBBY! Do you guys really like what you've turned into over a hobby? Can you really look in the mirror and be proud of raging this much over a hobby? This is how riots happen after a sporting event. How silly do these look? We have it right here.
Poing #2: A better question to be asking is acknowledging that this is not the blog with the answer to THE QUESTION and asking who is responsible for it.
Point #3: Subscribers do not write the paychecks for CCP employees. NEWSFLASH! Those checks are written by CCP incorporated. Does anyone truely know where CCP gets all of their money from? Threatening CCP employees paychecks is not only wrong but just shows immaturity.
There are ways to disagree respectfully and there are ways to look like a total jerk. I'm seeing many more jerks than people with something intelligent to say.
DIAF, go ahead ban me.
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Borkers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[958]
I would pay AUR to get my old dock view back.
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Agora Phobic
Gallente Pinnacle Endeavors
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 -
[959]
Are you even fck'ing listening CCP?!?!? |
Seith Sath
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:18:00 -
[960]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Sadly you did not. |
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Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:18:00 -
[961]
Originally by: Solidbreakdown
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:18:00 -
[962]
Originally by: Trotula We are in full witness of the DunningûKruger effect on this dev blog. Professors of social psychology Justin Kruger and David Dunning put forth the hypothesized phenomenon where "... people are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden: Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it.. ". In other words there are people that are so stupid they can't realize just how stupid they are.
We have a new poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect: CCP Zulu.
+1
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:18:00 -
[963]
Originally by: McPod Huge mistake, huuge!
from what we told them in the last thread and the time they had to prepare something this is not a mistake it is a deliberate insult
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Malkev
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:18:00 -
[964]
Originally by: CCP Zulu we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
Successful? Smooth? Have you not been paying attention at all? Also, awesome tooting of your own horn there. I am still more impressed with the ALT scaling option added to probing.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Clueless is one of our company values.
FYP.
Originally by: CCP Zulu People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.
You should remember that we are talking about VIRTUAL ITEMS that DO NOTHING. The whole paragraph that follows that is just...priceless. (OOOH, A PUN!)
Originally by: CCP Zulu We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today.
Good luck with that.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:18:00 -
[965]
Congratulations CCP Zulu, you've just thrown a tanker of gasoline on a forest fire.
This blog is sadly EVERYTHING the community expected and rightly feared. There is not a single true apology in that dev blog. Not a single mention of being wrong and promising change. You can't honestly think the community will accept that? The fail of Incarna has management written all over it, yet CCP thinks so little of their customers we don't even get a response from Hilmar? Don't you see this solves NOTHING?!
And this protest isn'tjsut about micro-transactions. When crowds are fed up being ignored and mistreated they build up rage. And when they ignite they really around heroes like Helicity Boson and Liang Nuren, both now banned. Are you guys stupid?! Even Mubarak was smart enough not to try and put EL Baradei in prison.
Yet Zulu's post can be compared to Mubarak telling the people to go to their homes and stop protesting because there will be free elections over a year.
Are you at CCP really so dense you don't see what you're doing wrong here?
Yes we protest against micro-transactions. But again: when crowds really against something they use symbols. Most players are fine with micro-transactions as long as they are small and vanity-only. But we're protesting against it because it symbolizes our maltreatment by CCP's management and development.
We are being double-billed so CCP can go on and make more games we don't care about. There are plenty players that have already spend over a thousand dollar in subscription fees, yet all we get for an expansion is a vending-machine wrapped in eyecandy. Where are the fixes?
Is that your strategy for player-retention? Do you really believe that you can replace all the bittervets leaving by just attracting new players? SWG should have shown you how well that strategy works out. It doesn't!
But ok, fine! CCP needs money, we need our EVE-fix, so maybe we'll condone your stupid and overcomplicated vanity store. But sadly your guys at sales&marketing are incompentent fools who don't understand the first thing about Quote: micro
-transactions. It's all about taking away the financial barrier. You make money by charging little and selling a lot. Not the other way round.
So now we are paying CCP money on top of our subscription/PLEX(=time) so you can put a vendingmachine and a jacuzzi in our kitchen. But barely anyone is using the vendinmachine because of the stupid pricing. So we ask ourselves why the hell are we putting up with this nonsense that's the focus of this content-starved update? You say it's to make hard-needed money, yet you do a horrible job at it!
It would have been so much smarter to start the NeX store with items costing almost nothing, easing your customers into buying these items, getting them used to the fact they spent Aurum. But I guess that's just too much common sense for people like Zinfandel. Your SR Sales&Marketing who doesn't know the first thing about EVE.
I've been with EVE since a month into beta. I love this game. But I'm really getting to a point where start to wish that EVE completely goes down in flames.
Things need to CHANGE, and perhaps the only way the players can achieve that, is by first destroying EVE and CCP. Afterall: CCP was a much better company when it was still small and most employees actually played the game.
I say we give it a try. Maybe then Hilmar will deem us worthy of a response.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
Cake Majestic
Gallente Quafe Company Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[966]
That was the saddest dev blog I have ever read.
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[967]
I've been watching all the rage, emotion, threats of unsubbing while thinking about my own response. CCP Fallout mentioned that posts here would be watched so I'll try and make my own opinions clear and not based on rage.
Incarna - Captain's Quarters
It was made clear to those that paid attention that the CQ was a technology test. A chance to put it under the strain of 50,000 pilots. I'm approaching the CQ as just that and not a failure to deliver content. Personally, I spend a lot of time in station while working my day job and like the couch and the big screen TV over just floating in my ship.
Even as a couch pilot I agree for RP and performance reasons that a pilot should have a choice to stay on board a ship while in station instead of disembarking each time.
Incarna Deployment - Mac Edition
The Mac deployment was not smooth by any stretch. Every other patch that I can recall was smoother for me except for the rough days after Trinity, the first version to run on Mac. The full version of Incarna cleared up a lot of problems and things are now running smooth on my two systems but at greatly reduced graphic levels. It seems to me that the patch version was old but I've yet to receive an answer on what happened. Clearly there was a failure in the deployment process.
The other issue with the Mac deployment were the changes to the Transgaming/Cider wrapper. It was clear 3 weeks before deployment that things had changed but no guidance was provided on how to deal with the changes. It took trial and error from the Mac community to figure things out, again. There has still been no response.
There are some graphic issues remaining but bugs are to be expected and I hope they will be resolved in a timely manner.
Fallout had kind words for the Mac team at CCP. I'd love for them to communicate with us directly. Please join us in the Mac section of the forum.
The Noble Exchange
I don't have much experience with other MMOs and with microtransactions at all. I've heard the dangers from other players about how games have been ruined but I have formed some opinions.
We are not buying real world products. We should not be paying real world prices. Instead items need to be priced consistently with other items in the EVE economy. 450 mil for pants is emersion breaking. But I can see spending 10 mil for an entire wardrobe. I don't know though. Scale is out of whack however you look at it.
Items have to be vanity only and NEVER allow for purchasing of an advantage. CCP has done well to create a player drive economy but is about to totally trash it if any of the suggestions in the Fearless newsletter come true.
Summary
- Incarna is a test and I'm eager for more. - Making disembarking an option will satisfy a lot of complaints. - Pay to win will kill EVE for me. - Drop NeX prices by a factor of 10 and keep vanity only. - Have the Mac team and/or Transgaming stop by and respond to the Mac forums a few times each week, especially when big changes are coming up.
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Tiny Mongo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[968]
tldr: Dev's are acting more grown up then this vocal bunch. Cool your jets and have a civil discussion.
If I had to give the dev blog a grade it would probably be a D. Pretty much missed the point and only confirmed what the more level headed players were talking about - internal = not official policy give it time. While being controversial in nature some are still willing to give CCP the benefit of the doubt.
If I had to give the player response a grade - F. They may have come up with a better response if yall hadn't spent 200 pages raging at them and slinging personal attacks they may have been more apt to give feedback in the thread. Instead you alienated the community team all together and have made it an "us against them" situation. Honestly for how mature people in EVE like to think they are starting an internet spaceship riot is about as immature as you can get.
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StevieTopSiders
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[969]
When I want a dev to talk **** to me like I'm a 10 year-old, I'll let you know. Until then, DIAF, Zulu.
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Mintenkaichi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[970]
CCP Zulu failed to deliver on any points that have been brought up. There has been zero reassurance from CCP on any of the current issues that the players are having with MT, Incarna, etc.
I mostly just scrolled as fast I could through the pages of that poor example of an apology threadnaught, but even I could catch what the yellow, bolded, and enlarged font said as it went by.
I've unsubbed all of my accounts, so once the time is up I'm gone. It's obvious by your lack of attention to our most pressing issues means that you do intend to do whatever you like to the game with zero regard for your players or our wallets.
Minus 3 accounts CCP.
And you say this was the smoothest release. I would hope so, you removed functionality from the game, and gave us one room of bull**** that instantly causes graphics fans to spin at maximum speed (assuming your machine can even load it of course) until you leave station. And to make it even more smooth, you gave us some bull**** pixelated blurry looking cropped wallpaper as a station environment if we choose to not load the station environment. And of course we are still losing all of the functionality of double clicking for cargo, dragging ships, seeing active ship, etc, etc.
But hey, on the bright side, at least you know how your emo vampire game expansion rollouts will go. Assuming of course there are enough of us eve players left for you to milk to continue development.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[971]
http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/black-friday.html
omg so you ignored anu input on this dev blog ****ing ******s ccp
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Roonia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[972]
If CCP Zulu was in this position at some corporation where clients can just take their business somewhere else quickly, and sent this sort of E-mail to his clients, there is no measure of how fast he would get fired.
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CHEWBACCAwas aWookie
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[973]
I thought I was offended by the leaked newsletter until I read the dev blog. I really hope that it is not CCP's PR stance to condescend to their player base. I find it to be an insult to my intelligence that CCP Zulu would actually go as far to explain how the price of the object dictates it's rarity. I'm a college educated adult I don't need a game dev to explain supply and demand to me....
Furthermore, I speak for myself (and probably quite a few other players) when I say that it is not the vanity items that bother me, it is not the CQ that bothers me, it is the idea that a year ago it was promised that there will be no MT in game especially involving items that give players willing to pay real money the ability to "Buy game skill" and then this newsletter is leaked basically outlining a possibility of introducing the very same items they promised would never have a place in the galaxy of EVE. I understand that it is an internal newsletter not meant for us to see and that it was allegedly intended to fuel a debate. However, because that promise was made to ensure the integrity of our much loved pass time there shouldn't even be a debate over whether or not to introduce modules, ships, and especially not more fitting slots to the NEX store. YOU NEED TO STICK TO YOUR GUNS AND KEEP YOUR PROMISES. No amount of pandering and beating around the bush will satisfy those of us outraged by CCP's deception. We want to be ensured that MT Will forever be restricted to arbitrary vanity items that offer absolutely no game progression (ie. faction standing, ships, modules, ammo, etc .).
I think that many of us have had experience's (apperently more experience than CCP has had) with games that revolve around MT. The games that exist based on a MT system are both completely trashy money grabbing mechanisms and also FREE TO PLAY.
I can say without a doubt that many of us are very worried that the time and subscription money we have invested in EVE will become meaningless via comparison to a carebear with mommy or daddy's credit card. For this very reason many players have already vowed to unsub to avoid wasting time and subscription fee's in a game that seems to be moving in a direction that will destroy the player base (after all EVE is supposed to be player driven..right?).
I believe that Zulu's request to stop the "****storm" could simply be answered by "well you reap what you sow" and sowing seeds of doubt by even debating adding a system that was promised to never have a place in our world of internet spaceships is reaping the "****storm" of outrage. If it was just the Dev's job to propose these ideas then it is obviously the person who gave those devs that job who needs to address the issues caused by their indiscretion.
To put it as simply as I can: You've just poked the wrong bear CCP.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 -
[974]
:lolcustomers: ________________________________________________
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Fix Nix
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[975]
Originally by: youneverguess [ Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Dan Kaneda
Kaneda's Evil Ninja Organization
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[976]
Edited by: Dan Kaneda on 24/06/2011 22:21:13
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The lack of answer concerning the non vanity items in the Noble Store is pretty much an answer in itself. "We won't answer that because there WILL be non vanity items in the NeX but we don't want to lose some of our costumer just now. Please pay again until you are facing the wall and decide to unsuscribe."
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Brutus B
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[977]
To Zulu's devblog section called "fearlesS": I do not seem to be in the majority with the eve community sharing on the forum, but I understand what you guys do in private is a creative process, and that you have to spitball at times to get that ball rolling, and that not everything is said is going to be fully initiated in the policy and direction of this property called Eve. I do agree that indivuals at ccp should not be harrassed, or threatened, or mudslinged on over expressing ideas, and doing their jobs behind closed doors--but it's probably a good thing all you guys use handles because gamers aren't always the most mature bunch. Anyone that's ever ambushed a noob in a drake can atest to that fact. I think some of these guys seem completely out of control over all this, as I've been able to mostly ignore it, and play incursions and do everything I've been doing before incarna rolled out. That hasn't been effect at all (for me) so far.
MT, Pricing--regarding Incarna stuff specifically: I was keeping an open mind about MT stuff, and still am, but I looked at prices, and the current thinking at CCP can think it's a little outrageous. In a typical MT ONLY game, 15 to 30 dollars will get me a pet dragon, a pet dog, a pet eagle, a pet goldfish, a castle to live in, and tons of furniture. In eve which also requires subsciptions, it might not even get me an eyepiece, not that I really want one. I think you guys need to come to an understanding about Micro-Transaction. Micro means SMALL, Tiny, Insignificant. (Like a value menu at a fast food resturant.) If you don't price micro, you won't get millions of micro transactions. If you actually think you are selling REAL NIKE's in a fake game--you are delusional. If I can buy a 59.99 version of battlefield 3, OR a virutual skirt with the Auro equivilent--I ain't buying the skirt. The scale seems completely off. MT offerings by ccp needs to fall in line with 1.99 per download, 3, 5, 10 dollars, 15 maybe, 30 possibly.... but the value scale has to be there are you're going to be producing items that don't sell and wasting time on vanity efforts no real thinking person is realyl going to want. Don't drink the coolaide, and think EVE items that are for sale for AURO are real items, they aren't, they are virtual items. "Eve is real" is a friendly jest, not to be taken seriously, but I fear you guys have, when you start talking about how these shirts and skirts and eyepieces should be comparied to what someone might buy at a high-end clothing store. They aren't even comparable to the clotches I'd buy at walmart.
It's alright though CCP, I won't buy what isn't attractive price. It's your loss.I just keep playing eve until it's broken. I am concerned though about the future of Dust is this is the outlook of CCP, that these items are real, and therefore customers need to be willing to pay godless ammounts of money in order to obtain them. Battlefied 3 is coming out, Skyrm is comong out, both competitively priced, both will keep me entertained a whole year or more respectively each. The bottom line is me, and a bunch of other players don't "NEED" your MT items. The only way to get any of us to want them is the cool + attractive price factors. I'm so unimpressed with what's avaiable right now that I am indrectly supporting a boycott of any and all items that aren't competively priced with other items of similar value in simular offerings by other game companies. Without the cool or the good price together, anything you put in that store is going to be eh? MEH. So, just remember,
MICRO MEANS SMALL, and Insigfnicant, CHUMP CHANGE. TRANSACTION means A VALUE ECHANGE BETWEEN 2 Persons.
It works by being replicated over and over again. If your virtual items cost as much as real items, people will just buy real items in instead, and call you ******ed to your face, or behind your back. Probably a good idea to Rethink PRICES! That siad: I STILL LOVE CCP!!!!
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[978]
Yes, AUR will be used to buy in-game advantages.
After all, you don't build a store and introduce a new currency in a player-driven economy if it's going to be used to sell stuff to, what, 50 people (if that)?
Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu |
Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[979]
Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 24/06/2011 22:24:53 Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 24/06/2011 22:20:21
Originally by: Shiori Takahashi Zulu's Blog is quite possibly the most insulted I've ever been as a paying customer for a service.
^^This. Zulu's Blog demonstrates the complete disconnect between CCP senior management and the playerbase.
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mobius nm
Minmatar Imperativa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[980]
Anyone else beginning to think this is all a ploy by CCP to clear out the older playerbase who remember the old CCP promises?
If they pull it off, they'd be left with docile masses to milk for cash at will till they kill the game off completely.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[981]
Edited by: Siiee on 24/06/2011 22:26:07 What an incredibly insulting response.
In the first section you tell us what we already know (what it is) and then tell us that we are bad people for the amazingly strong negative response.
Guess what, there is your exaggerated contrasting point. Debate that.
In the second section you reinforce our fears about as strongly as anyone could, all while missing the point. I'm so upset I can't even find the words so I'm not going to try. Every single word in your second section is enraging, and it is the perfect distillation of everything that is wrong right now.
I now only wish that I could suspend my accounts without waiting for them to expire.
--edit-- It really seems to me that you do not want your old customers anymore. If that's the case then just go whole hog with it. Tell us outright what is expected of us and the real endgame for you AUR plans if nothing else was in your way and let those of us who feel strongly about it leave. It will be much less trouble (tho still with plenty of kicking and screaming) than attempting to drag us along for the ride.
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Malkev
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 -
[982]
Also:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:21:00 -
[983]
200+ page threadnaught and all I got was this lousy tshirt.
Originally by: Roonia If CCP Zulu was in this position at some corporation where clients can just take their business somewhere else quickly, and sent this sort of E-mail to his clients, there is no measure of how fast he would get fired.
I'd have sacked it.
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Hailey Sunweaver
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:21:00 -
[984]
This blog was just pointless and addresses NOTHING that we have been asking about.
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Taleris Kline
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:21:00 -
[985]
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Taleris Kline Wow, this is supposedly the best MMO community and this is what we have to show for ourselves.
Point #1: If I was Hilmer I would order the forums shut down until the community can get a healthy dose of perspective. The major question of "Will there be non-vanity item in the NEX store?" is not a topic of this dev blog. CCP Zulu clarified as much and still the community ignores the point of the dev blog. THIS IS A GAME!. THIS IS A HOBBY! Do you guys really like what you've turned into over a hobby? Can you really look in the mirror and be proud of raging this much over a hobby? This is how riots happen after a sporting event. How silly do these look? We have it right here.
Poing #2: A better question to be asking is acknowledging that this is not the blog with the answer to THE QUESTION and asking who is responsible for it.
Point #3: Subscribers do not write the paychecks for CCP employees. NEWSFLASH! Those checks are written by CCP incorporated. Does anyone truely know where CCP gets all of their money from? Threatening CCP employees paychecks is not only wrong but just shows immaturity.
There are ways to disagree respectfully and there are ways to look like a total jerk. I'm seeing many more jerks than people with something intelligent to say.
DEV alt detected post with your main
I admit it. I am a developer. I work with a company that does display development for helicopters. However, I am not a CCP developer and it is an ad hominum attack upon me to insinuate that I am a CCP dev alt.
Can you logically disagree with any of the points above?
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Enguerrand DeCoucy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:22:00 -
[986]
Yeah CCP, keep thinking you are just like the rest of gaming industry that depends on large numbers of casual gamers. How many customers have to walk before your mgt pays attention? I'll be joining them if you keep avoiding the question.
I like the defensive posture of that statement. It helps so much.
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Gremoxx
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:22:00 -
[987]
Quote: which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions
yo dude, what planet you live on !!!???
modules not working, implants dissapering, GPUŠs overheating, ppl unable to log on, ppl unable to run multible clients...
How can you call this SUCCESSFUL EXPANSION
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Rer Eirikr
Gallente Clearly Compensating Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:22:00 -
[988]
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on ****.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
If you feel that this cancellation has been made in error, you can quickly and easily reopen your account by clicking below.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:22:00 -
[989]
@CCP Fallout - I saw what you did there ... you changed the title of the blog. I know you so well so I took a quick screenie ... hope you don't mind
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[990]
Originally by: KrustyKrab I have cancelled all 7 accounts. 4 are 6-month subs with various end dates. 3 are PLEX and will expire in about 36 days (I'm sad now that I JUST re-PLEXED on all 3 =/)
Seems everyone in our alliance is doing the same. I highly suggest everyone that pays a recurring sub goes into their account mgmt and cancels their sub. This will be instant hard data to those in charge at CCP that this...whatever this is, isn't going to end well for them if they continue down this path of denial, lying, and not having a clue that there's a massive rift between players and developers.
Threadnaught doesn't even begin to describe this event. As Helicity said, it is a singularity event. When the bright flash comes, don't bother covering your eyes. Embrace it as the moment when a very large number of us have the biggest gaming moment of our lives. Both players and developers. We will talk about this for years in a way that makes the T20 event seem like an insignificant event.
I'm incredibly insulted by this devblog. I'm incredibly insulted by CCP's response over EVERYTHING right now. It is an utter slap in the face. I don't profess to know the inner workings of CCP, and I can only assume it is typical of other game developers/publishers in the sense that at some point money becomes more important than the products that are being sold to willing, passionate customers. Customers who absolutely do NOT want to believe this is happening are suddenly living the nightmare.
I've played since beta 2003. My wife earned her college degree doing homework every night while mining, missioning, etc. We've subbed repeatedly over the years, coming back to Eve when things like wormholes and T3's were introduced, and cancelled when things like T20 happened. If this is not resolved to our liking, this will be the last time we ever sub Eve again. Seven accounts isn't much in the big scheme of things, but that is $100+ per month that can go to paying off a mortgage early, saving up for a vacation, or playing other MMO's that haven't hit the failscade that Eve suddenly has.
I've rarely posted on these forums. I'm no one important, this isn't even my main (already cancelled him and couldn't be bothered to post with him honestly, this is the last post I'll make until something, or, nothing happens. I'm not even going to tell you what I think you need to do to resolve this. I think you can get a pretty good idea based on the massive firebomb that has exploded in your midst.
This post will get lost in the rabble and walls of text, but I'm ok with that. I hope someone at CCP reads it. The ride over the years has been incredible. No other game has given me the adrenaline rush and excitement as pvp in Eve has. I will miss it. But I won't be lied to, deceived, insulted, or placated. I won't even demand answers or satisfaction. What you DO will speak louder than anything you can say at this point.
Look at what is happening in Jita right now. Amarr. Look at what is happening on your forums. I'm seeing players post that I haven't seen post in years. I'm seeing in-game enemies, friends, alliance mates, etc posting. It is a shame. A downright shame.
An incredible shame.
Very good post, mate! And I loved the metaphor about the bright flash. +1
And yep, I was in Jita, protesting like so many others. It was epic, and I was glad to be a part of that.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
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Ga'len
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ga''len on 24/06/2011 22:23:27 CCP Zulu,
Thank you for taking the time to address some of the community's concerns, but the main issue here was missed. It's the elephant in the room that has to be addressed to calm the community and began the healing of trust between CCP Games and it's player community.
"Will micro transactions be used for NON vanity items in EVE Online?"
It's a simple yes or no question and CCP Games needs to use specific language when answering. Seriously, it's time to answer the question now.
--Ga'len
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ing SpeedyJ
Gallente Broken Lightning
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[992]
OK if u want war, u can get it, lets money talks... I am waiting one week for constructive answer or -3 accounts.
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UMEE
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[993]
Edited by: UMEE on 24/06/2011 22:24:21 you guys arent really "fearless". you resemble more a league of morons. if you wanna know what fearless means in the MMO industry, look at ArenaNet and their GW2 development. you guys are really just copying the microtransaction craze that's been happening over the last year or two. youre not doing anything different.
fearless would mean following up on broken major features introduced years ago and left to rot. fearless would mean fessing up to you mistakes and correcting them. fearless would mean discussing this entire MT bull**** with your fans, instead of sneaking it in like the rats you are. you guys are not fearless. i would lol if i wasnt so disappointed
now, be smart and write another dev blog addressing people's actual concerns: why do you plan to sell non-vanity items, such as ships, for irl money? why are you even selling ship PAINT for irl currency?
you guys WILL do what the majority of the player base wants, or you will crash and burn.
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Tar om
Minmatar Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[994]
This is the lamest thing I've read in years. Go stick your head in the sand and wait until the Golden Geese stop pecking you to bts. What a pathetic, snivelling ******.
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Pistonbroke
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[995]
just had a look at Jita Market for monocles, yes I have a toon outside joining the protest
Interesting market figures... a whole 6 (six) have been sold with 5 (five) in total on the market.
way to go.
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Sensei Cohiba
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[996]
Originally by: Malkev Also:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Tactalan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[997]
1 subscription cancelled and 1 PLEX account not extended.
Nicely done Zulu.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[998]
Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 24/06/2011 22:28:12 Actually I think this devblog speaks volumes, when combined with the amount of time it took to produce and the lack of any denials concerning the future transactional nature of Eve. The leaked document was trying to sell the MT philosophy to CCP's own staff implying there is dissention in the ranks. However upper management have already made their minds up.
Clearly they would have preferred the player base not to realise this for quite sometime yet, but the strategy is already planned and in place. This kind of strategic planning takes time and is used to underpin acquisition of resources and investment.
Once the rat was let out of the bag CCP need to respond to the player base, but if the MT strategy has already been set in stone what can they say? If the intention wasn't to eventually introduce non vanity items to the store they would have denied it immediately. It would have been "It's been discussed but we have decided we would never go down that route because it would break Eve as it currently is"
The lack of any denial and failure to address anything other than the attitude of the more reactionary forum members to CCP is a clear message that the strategy outlined in 'Fearless' is indeed the intended future of Eve whether the players or the ground floor coders want it or not.
I'm sure it only took so long to reply because they had to meet and find out if there was any room to manouvre on the long planned strategy discussed in fearless. Obviously the answer was no. There's not much else they can say in that case, except if they don't definitively answer your questions they can keep some of the player base hanging around hoping that things won't turn out that bad or that they will change their mind.
They must have planned for a certain amount of existing players quitting, offset against potential profits of new bling obsessed players with more money than sense. Perhaps some investors have got them over a barrel who knows?
Ultimately you have your answer loud and clear. CCP Zulu even referred to the stance they are going to take on this... FEARLESS.
Personally I would unsub if I hadn't already done so a year ago sensing the cold wind of change. I have only been hanging around these forums in the vain hope that Eve would improve instead sliding inevitably downhill. However seeing this devblog response and the confusion and offence it has caused made me use my hours for plex option to post this.
Unfortunately all things come to an end. The Eve you loved and the company that created it are no more. Don't hang about hoping in vain things will change. The only thing that influences the new masters of CCP is money. If any playerbase in the world should understand that it is the players of Eve.
I know we all truly loved the CCP of old and the Eve that was but the only hope you have of turning around Eve's New Game Experience is by not endorsing the changes with your wallets. I sincerely hope that one day CCP will annouce an update to Eve that encompasses the philosophy and principals that started it in the first place, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Goodnight sweet princes & princesses
explayer of games
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Ytrea
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:23:00 -
[999]
Edited by: Ytrea on 24/06/2011 22:23:46 The most evasive, pointless, and most of all insulting dev-blog; or indeed any developer communication I have read in a decade of MMO's.
Unsubscribed.
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Lynx Amurie
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:24:00 -
[1000]
Y'know what?
I only have one thing to say anymore.
**** you too CCP. CCP; lying to our faces since 2003 |
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Innominate
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:24:00 -
[1001]
Originally by: Malkev Also:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
You can stop asking this, it's been answered.
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Amoes Sten
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:24:00 -
[1002]
Wow. This seems almost like Zulu is trolling us. Unfortunately we know better by now.
FYI this was exactly the wrong thing to say to us.
Your smug, middle finger response to our legitimate concerns has convinced me that CCP should no longer have my trust. EVE online is your game, but we are under no obligation to keep playing it.
Goodbye EVE. I hope TOR comes out soon.
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Carebear with Issues
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:24:00 -
[1003]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:25:00 -
[1004]
Originally by: Morgan Polaris
Yes, AUR will be used to buy in-game advantages.
After all, you don't build a store and introduce a new currency in a player-driven economy if it's going to be used to sell stuff to, what, 50 people (if that)?
I have to agree, there is no other reason to be charging the amount they are IF these items are complete. Those clothes will do something in game, some how, other than just being on your toon.
I suspect $$ for SP to be right around the corner.
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HaRDOuSeK
Ghostbusters Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:25:00 -
[1005]
Dear CCP Zulu, first of all, I want to apologize for my horrible english. But I hope, it won't be a great issue, so back to "business".
First of all - admit it. That dev blog was absolutely FAIL. You've got here more then 6 000 posts where player's base is really mad. And after 2 days of "collecting info" from these posts, you (or probably some whole team) release such a nice big pack of bullsh*ts, where you tried to avoid answering anything, and also made us to look like some idiots. What the f*ck is this all about? Is CCP trying to treat us like imbecils? Man, f*ck this.
If CCP does not want to give a proper answers from TOP, tell us now, whole situation will be closed - probably 3/4 of whole player base and subscribers will quit, some will stay, and in whole CCP will people smashing heads against walls, because they paycheck will rapidle go down. No problem!
In another case, please, stop being so f*cking ignorant and stop treating us like bunch full of idiots! Then grab your balls, step forward and tell us what were thinking. We will probably smash you down to the ground in rage, but you will at least learn, then that was really bad idea and it's time to start to listen to us. And things will be good since then.
Thanks,
HaRD.
PS: Sorry again for my terrible english.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:25:00 -
[1006]
Originally by: Andares Sol
Originally by: Elondris Singh Dear CCP.
$80 != Micro.
That is all.
Once the $ and Ç crumble and the hyperinflation starts, it might be
Yeah, why anyone would want to buy space gold right now when real gold is a sure thing is beyond me. Far beyond CCP too it seems.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ |
Risible Spoon
Minmatar Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:25:00 -
[1007]
Hopefully the ongoing protests on the forum and in-game will make it clear that, since the player base's trust in CCP has deteriorated to such a low level, we will accept nothing less than a guarantee that non-vanity MT items will not be introduced into the game. Without such a commitment, expect the protests and unsubs to continue.
The newsletter illustrates perfectly the direction we fear CCP is taking EVE: a gimped feature (50 saved fittings) is introduced. It is touted as being more than sufficient for most players, when it is in fact unusable at such a level. Players are then given the option to "upgrade" their saved fittings for aurum. Sales of vanity items have drained much isk out of the economy, so players are forced to pay real world currency to unlock basic game functionality and remain competitive with everyone else.
This is how non-vanity MT works in MMOs. The basic feature provides a taste but is not sufficient without paying extra for the upgraded version. The economy will then be more dependent on its corporate overlords and require more active management, thus weakening the player-driven economy and draining the sand out of the box.
I will not continue to invest time and money into EVE if it moves in this direction.
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Sparge
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:25:00 -
[1008]
Originally by: EVERYBODY
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Willow Frost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:25:00 -
[1009]
Wow, what a terrible response, it basically hasn't answered any questions or concerns the community have and just shows how out of touch with reality and the playerbase CCP seem to be. I'm actually quite shocked at how poor that response is.
Of the two area's you touched let me give my opinion.
1). On the horrible things being said towards certain CCP staff members as a result of the leak. Whilst I myself would never resort to doing so and certainly don't condone it, the problem is the CCP have allowed themselves to put a lead developer in this position, especially knowing (As the leaked article so obviously states) what a touchy subject MT's are. The fact CCP have allowed the discussions to be recorded and distributed in a company paper have resulted in the customers getting to know that a lead developer basically loves MT's and would like nothing more that to drain our wallets of every last cent if possible. How are we supposed to feel about the future direction of the game with such a Lead developer at the helm ?
As a result I firmly believe that CCP as a company need to decide whether or not gameplay impacting MT's are to be allowed or whether they will limit them to cosmetic only, they need to make the decision and let the customers know and if sticking with cosmetics only, then promise (maybe even by putting it the EULA) that they will not change direction on this matter, I don't see any other way of regaining the communities trust. The problem is that I honestly don't see how CCP as a company can state a company direction on MT's of cosmetic only, whilst having this lead developer in his current role, it is almost a conflict of interest and such a shame that CCP have allowed this poor chap to end up in this position.
2). On the subject of the MT's pricing. I think it is disgraceful to charge so much for a virtual item, you can spin it anyway you like but in my opinion it is morally wrong to charge so much money. I've come to expect this kind of thing from other companies but I honestly thought CCP were better. Maybe that is my problem for even thinking that CCP are anything other than a typical business, and maybe it is naive of me, but I do believe that companies have not only a financial responsibility to shareholders but a responsibility to their customers to act in a moral and ethical manner. CCP, you are currently falling very short of this.
I hope the at the very highest level someone looks at these customer issues again, takes onboard the customer feedback and at least provides something a bit more that this worthless blog response. It's time to at least treat your customers with some respect and honesty, even if we might not like the answer, I for one would prefer you to just come out and state the game is going 'Pay to Win' if that is your plan, at least it would allow me to move on.
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Aleya Holston
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:26:00 -
[1010]
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Ytrea
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:26:00 -
[1011]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
We want a straight answer.
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niroshido
Caldari Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:26:00 -
[1012]
Quote: which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous
smooth and successful ? this patch smells of dog****, the lighting is ****, the movement is ****, it destroys pc's, it burns graphics cards and is considered the biggest ****ing waste of a patch to ever come into existance, i have seen bogs been converted into better things. You obviously have your head so far up your ass you can kiss your own tonsils.
Quote: Fearless is one of our company values.
how about incompetence ? you have obviously no grasp of reality. Its not just your customers who laugh directly at you, but your competitors and gaming review boards.
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life.
I LIKE TO SHOUT THIS OUT HOPEFULLY YOU WILL HEAR THIS. CLOTHES IN REAL LIFE HAVE WORTH, WE WEAR CLOTHING TO KEEP WARM AND IT IS A LAW IN ALMOST EVERY COUNTRY TO WEAR CLOTHES. EVE-ONLINE IS MAKE BELIEVE, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND 100 DOLLARS ON MAKE BELIEVE CLOTHES!!
Quote: Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop
i have never in my life encountered a man or woman who could justify 1,000 dollars on clothes, but if they did its because they would like to show off, the nex market items dont look any different from the **** anyone else wears and given the fact CQ is a lone boat why would we wear something to boast about, when clearly no one can ****ing see it.
Quote: In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
you are right, we don't need to buy it and we don't want to either THUS THE ****ING HATE, this bull**** is a clear example of exploitation, reaching out to 12 year old kids who have stolen there parents credit cards.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
addressed OUR concerns?, you honestly think this dev blog has achieved addressing our concerns, do you have any idea of the sheer hate this patch has caused? you have destroyed the companies reputation by pushing **** onto your fan base, with no grasp of what your fan base are actually complaining about. for close to 7years CCP has maintained what one could consider to be a decent reputation amongst the gaming community, you set your reputation on fire and to insult it more you ****ed on it to put the fire out.
Let me re-iterate to you what you have done wrong > You destroyed peoples computers > You created a clunky half operable walk around a bathroom > You created a feature that EVERYONE has protested about > You have begun an MT war, which will split your community and force those who don't want out, don't think for a second that your fan base is stupid enough to assume that clothes are the only items that WILL be pushed out onto the farse you call neX store, i can name several games which have completely failed when MT has come in to there game.
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
would one these items be a strap on, cause i see a lot of people getting ****ed by this, or will the strap on be obviously invisible
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DaRuLe
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:26:00 -
[1013]
At least now I know what it feels like to be taken the ****, really , really hard. __________________________________________________________________________
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Angel Vengen
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:26:00 -
[1014]
Ok... Here we go. I'm posting with my main because I have nothing to hide.
Let me start by saying that this is my personal opinion and does not represent any of my Friends, Family or Extended Family in the game.
I heard about the newsletter on my corps forums a few days ago, but last night was the first time I seriously read it. And I was furious. Like freak out on everyone angry. If my fiance stuck around, or at least didn't take the dog, they would not have escaped it either.
I spoke with a member of my Extended Family(corp) last night and I raged on him a bit too. And he said alot of stuff that I read, but didn't really listen to, since I was so angry. I should have listened. Would have saved me from a night of poor sleep. Fort, I promise to at least pretend to listen even harder next time brother.
Today at work I had alot of time to think about everything. Fort's words, and the Internal Newsletter. And I came to realize something. Something that was "quasi-confirmed" by this dev-blog and other posts. So I want to share my thoughts with those of you that actually end up sticking around and reading my words.
I had come to the conclusion that this newsletter might just be an internal discussion on a Point/Counter point debate. You know, those things smart companies or groups of people do every once in a while? I have come to the conclusion that who-ever gave that newsletter to Helicity might have been doing so knowing the rage it would cause in the wrong direction.
- MT for items already existing in-game. perish the thought, we could never allow that in our game. Oh wait. Its been around since I started playing. At first with ebay, and black market isk deals, now at least through a certified source with the PLEX. You buy a PLEX with real life currency, then sell it for isk, and congrats, you now have isk to use for in-game items. all AUR really does is adds another step to it. You use AUR for a set of +5's, or ISK from a plex for +5's, you still payed RL money for in-game objects.
- MT for standings. Who cares. So what, that clown just spent XX.XX to get his cal navy standing up, and you spent X years building it. Get over it, you know the ins and outs of those L4 missions better than he does. You know what to tank, whatever. My only concern with this is twofold. One, if you can buy standings, I better be able to buy sec status, as there have been hundreds of threads over the years of pirates stating they would be willing to pay cash for standings. Two, implementing a time constraint, much like JC's, or Re-maps. I think 1 month per full point would be ideal, not that each month you can only buy one point, but you buy what you want to buy, then at the end, you are told you cant buy anything similar to that for X months.
- MT for new in-game items. Cool. now when I kill someone who has more money than sense, I can get uber-lewtz. Skill can win or lose a fight, items just make it easier or harder. No skill, doesn't matter what you go out in, I can take it in a rifter.
- MT for skillpoints. This is a big no-no. That will really really break the game.
- Stupid high prices on clothes. So don't buy them!? You don't need to buy the damn monocle. Wait for sales, or just take the stock stuff. Yes, that much money for in-game vanity items is silly, but your all flipping out on the conversion rate. You don't actually have to spend a penny on it, just make enough isk to buy a plex, then convert to AUR. problem solved.
In conclusion.
I personally feel that the things being said today wont have nearly as much impact as if they were said yesterday. Or the day before before the forums exploded. That was just poor decision making skills, flat out.
CCP Soundwave. I would like to apologize for the terrible things I said about you to my computer screen, the magazine asking money for RL things,
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Rarkal
Vzdelops
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:26:00 -
[1015]
Shocking read that blog is -------------------
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:26:00 -
[1016]
Dear CCP
I can smell the Sony kool-aid on your breath, I hope it is sweet.
Your response was lackluster, and missing the obvious. We have only a few complaints.
- Aurum prices are insane. We wanted to try out your cool new clothes, but they are a lot much, not just a bit
- Ships out of thin air? No. We make what we fly.
Much of the rest I think is just a Q&A issue, and time.. which much of your player base does not understand, or are simply impatient about.
Your leaked documents are an internal issue, don't take it out on reposters or outsiders. Any one of us would have done the same. Their words were no hotter than others.
New Eden changes forever this day. RIP what once was
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rootimus maximus
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1017]
Originally by: Gremoxx modules not working, implants dissapering, GPUŠs overheating, ppl unable to log on, ppl unable to run multible clients...
How can you call this SUCCESSFUL EXPANSION
I don't mean to nitpick, but I think the real question is: how can you call this an expansion at all? It was a patch that added, for the most part, new graphics (some of which were quite pretty).
Can we expect CCP Zulu to reply here shortly saying: "Dang, that [the devblog] was a pretty silly move on my part, wasn't it?". It would be a good sign that devblog part II was imminent, but I suspect they'll expect us to move along now. After all, they've answered our questions. We can go about our business, these weren't the droids we're looking for.
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Catrisane
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1018]
blah blah blah "man I hope this buys us some time to figure out how to spin this rubbish" blah blah
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Boo mkII
Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1019]
Thank you Zulu, it's much better now that you've addressed in the best possible way the players concerns.
Oh Wait... maybe not
I mean, seriously CCP... Where are you ? Who are these guys talking with your accounts ?
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Ronin Silfar
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1020]
Originally by: Nicoletta Modena Let me help you CCP- Read this and you may have a bit better understanding why we are so upset: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
And FYI, I've already killed one on my subs, with more to follow.
This. This, and this. I do not believe you (CCP) will find a more well though-out, and well written piece of feedback anywhere. If you read NOTHING, read this. Of course if you are reading nothing then you won't see this post and thereby the article it links. -_- Damnit! Free Helicity Free Liang Nuren |
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1021]
Originally by: Mater Dolorosa If I were a CCP shareholder I would ask tomorrow morning for the dismissal of CCP Zulu for utter incompetence...
Despising shamelessly old paying customers with 2 or 3 accounts is totally irresponsible...
It's so much easier then that with CCPs structure.
A few big guys arrive in a black BWM 4WD followed by an old beat up truck.
"We are taking the computers".
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1022]
Originally by: Korbin Dallaz Edited by: Korbin Dallaz on 24/06/2011 22:12:06
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
Arnar
You guys don't get it. You are dancing around the 500 pound gorilla in the room. The more you try to re-frame the discussion and spin this thing or try to straw man this topic into something more favorable the more our worst fears are reinforced and the more ****ed we get.
God damnit! Another one? I just corrected some other guy about it, like 4 pages ago.
You're using the 500lb gorilla metaphor wrong! The (really it is 800) 500lb gorilla metaphor, is based on the gorilla being so strong, it can do whatever the hell it please. The "elephant in the room" metaphor is about an embarresing (but obvious) thing, noone talks about, which creates an uncomfortable athmosphere (an alchoholic uncle at a picnic for instance, or the boss and the secretary having an affair).
The dancing part is way more straight forward, "Dancing around the subject", there is no animals involved in that metaphor.
FFS people, get this stuff right.
Meanwhile, people are overreacting, calm the hell down already.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1023]
Corporate runaround
Quote: The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
CHECK
Ignoring the issue. Checks for any confirmation on plans for non vanity cash shop
CHECK
Telling stuff we already know
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today.
CHECK
Yeah this is about what I expected.
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1024]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
Er... Originally by: CCP Manifest Captain arrogance, speaks about how to give customers one up the backside, puts sand in the vasaline first, and how to throw petrol on a fire
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
[1025]
CCP is fine until they start selling game-affecting things via microtransactions. Anything that is purchasable that has any impact in the game other than in a VERY strict vanity sense will lose a LOT of subscribers, myself included. I pay a monthly fee (or plex, whatever) in order for a fair, level playing field. I will not play a game where people can simply pay to have an upper hand.
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Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:28:00 -
[1026]
Edited by: Shandir on 24/06/2011 22:29:07
Originally by: Shiori Takahashi Zulu's Blog is quite possibly the most insulted I've ever been as a paying customer for a service.
This, plus testing my new sig. -3 accounts here. My partner in game, also not resubbing. -3 accounts there, too.
I was looking forward to fanfest, maybe next year - well, not going now.
I have personally brought at least 4 other people into the game, and have been a strong advocate of EVE to all nay-sayers. "It's not a game for everyone, and it's not perfect, but CCP have an amazing vision, and the community have a lot of care about the game."
Well, CCP only sees money right now, and the community that was awesome, is leaving.
Edit: And I have never threatened or stated I was quitting before, except when I said that if non-vanity MTs made it into the game, it would be a game-ender for me. Well, I have no doubt what CCP plans, and I'm following what I promised. -
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Dirk Smacker
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:28:00 -
[1027]
Since you made the analogy, how much does a life subscription cost for a parent whose child goes to college? $200,000?
Maybe you should sell vanity subscriptions for $1000/month. Give us some super awesome load screen and vanity music.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:28:00 -
[1028]
Zulu, Zulu, Zulu. I was really hoping you guys could put together a real devblog with input from the CSM, but it's obvious that you are either ignorant or spiteful towards the concerns of the playerbase. It really hurts to see this considering how much I was defending CCP recently. I'm having a hard time believing that you aren't purposefully trying to sabotage eve, as ridiculous as that idea is.
I'm not sure I could have written a worse devblog if I had tried.
Please please please listen to the CSM. They are the only ones that can help you salvage this now. ---------------------------------------------
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Vistus Geyer
Gallente Black Company Merc's Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:28:00 -
[1029]
Just think tho .... when you log into Eve ona sunday afternoon and find only 10k players logged in ... this might fix the Fleet lag issue ... then again maybe not [URL=http://img201.imageshack.us/i/bcmvistus1.jpg/][/URL]
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Sofia Coren
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:28:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: CCP Zulu In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions...
Has it not sunk in yet?
The first thing people did when we got your new expansion - was to turn it OFF.
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LordElfa
Gallente Golden Lyon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:28:00 -
[1031]
After Champions Online went free to play and offered more than Vanity items in their store, their player base increased 1000%.
Even if everyone who was against EVE having more than Vanity items in the store quit today, the money being brought in from MT would more than cover their leaving.
Face it people, the lack of an answer on non-vanity items is the answer. They are coming, period. You can either stay and take part or leave and go elsewhere.
Nothing we have to say or do here is going to change that fact, nothing. There are only maybe 5000 people taking part in these protest vs the other 400,000 that don't care and their purchases from NeX will more than make up for your absence.
Truth sucks, huh.
òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
Gyre Vortex
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:28:00 -
[1032]
Originally by: Ytrea
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
We want a straight answer.
+1
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SerialTurd
APEX ARDENT COALITION C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:29:00 -
[1033]
Wow. The community is telling you, you have messed up with this expansion. We are on the ground trying telling you this is not what we want and instead of listening you just kick us while we are down and spit in our face. hmm i seem to remember another company doing this... oh yea. Sony with SWG and it's NGE. I think we know what happened there.
For the first time in my 5+ years of playing eve, I'm contemplating quitting. I will see how the next couple of days turns out but at this rate it's not looking good.
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Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:29:00 -
[1034]
actualy I do MT sometimes in other games... BUT.... they are MICRO and they are in games that are for free and I don't already pay a monthly fee...
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:29:00 -
[1035]
Terrible blog.
Seriously CCP to quote yourself:
Quote: Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
What you have chosen to do reflects greedy arrogance with contempt for your player base. Therefore you want us to think your greedy and arrogant therefore we are unsubbing an angry.
I have heard Jita is good this time of year.
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:29:00 -
[1036]
Thank you CCP for that devblog clearing up that it is indeed a document meant to cause inhouse debate with extreme standpoints.
Guess me and the others that realized that from just reading the title and the edition are just brighter then the average. People are still saying: You've dodged the question!!! OMG Will you sell non vanity items? Guess a lobotomy would not help the average rager with their reading comprehension.
They are saying exactly what it was to you: A document to cause debate with extreme standpoints, as they had been asked to. I'am glad Soundwave can comeup with thoose ideas, because that means he knows what would be terribly bad. And he could put thoose concepts into text. As he and the others were asked to do.
I can debate pro-vegan, that does not mean I actually am. I will certainly engage from time to time in taking the opposing standpoint just because I know what arguments I struggle to counter; By taking the other side and putting them forth I get helped with increasing my knowledge on a topic in a usualy heated friendly banter. For fun. To increase eachothers skills at debate.
As for NOBLE
#1 Noone forces you to buy.
#2 Yes the prices are high now.
#3 If you grow tired of a vanity item, you can unlike most other games sell them directly on the open eve market. Hence, if you grow tired of it, you sell it to someone that wants it and your actual spent $/isk/plex on the item is suddenly close to 0. Didnt think of that angle, did you?
#4 By introducing the high costly items now, they save the PLEX market from spiking, making the PLEX speculants that hoped for a massive increase in demand of plex quite bitter since the spike will not happen, costing them their speculation isk, thats billions upon billions of isk lost for them. This is exactly what CCP wants, that noone should profit to easily from speculatinon on the changes of a patch.
No content expansion? *New Turrets, laying foundation for upgrading of the rest of effects in eve as well as other goodies. <-This one was pretty huge of an undertaking. *More Bugfixes, fixing things that been broken: Always fricking good. *Captain Quarters, the first cornerstone to the actual WiS. The remaining building blocks to come in staggered releases, as they said they would do with big changes.
Now I would be a tremendously happy for the old station view and a 'go to your quarters' option over the door. Running up to five clients, I cannot run CQ properly. When CQ customization and the real WiS comes: I'll be choosing to disembark to my quarters alot, but I'll still want just the old hangar and its functionality unless I choose to depod and walk among mortals. But it looks realy promising. A+ if they make me able to switch the main screen to the news I realy want to see.
Now CCP, when is my codpiece, my pirate hat and my gurista scientists geneticly engineered bunny coming in the noble store?
Fly safe. Thanks for clearing it all up. To the ones who still feel harmed and are not just being douches, siding with certain angry nerd that rallied her commando team of alts and buddies to inflame opinion when she got a simple forum ban: Reading comprehension lvl 3, train it. Go to a university. Take debate class A.
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Ulmon Aulen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:29:00 -
[1037]
Two possibilities: either Zulu is fundamentally stupid to not comprehend and address the actual issues that his CUSTOMERS have, or thinks that we are fundamentally stupid and avoids the issue on purpose hoping we won't notice.
I hope you know that this isn't your usual forum rage, if you implement MT for non-vanity items you will regret it as you lose more money from lost subscriptions. I fear that you guys are about to **** up years of hard work and good will.
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Ricardo Gonzalo Montalban
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:30:00 -
[1038]
Originally by: Sensei Cohiba
Originally by: Malkev Also:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Malak Artoo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:30:00 -
[1039]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Eliniale
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:30:00 -
[1040]
I feel like I've been punched in the face by one of my best friends.
When this whole rage-thingy started I treated it like a big joke expecting you guys (ccp), to take all that's been said to heart and react quite quickly, and would adress the concerns of the community.
Yet, now I find myself ever more saddened with each passing devblog, because I seem to be wrong. Every concern expressed here is 'adressed' by mentioning it only. There's not even the slightest twitch towards a possible change. All that's being told is for everyone to deal with it.
to quote blackadder: Blackadder: 'I hear the conditions in your army are appaling.' Wellington: well those are my conditions and you'll just have to accept them'
Is this what you are telling us?
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Artificial Soldier
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
[1041]
Sorta reminds me of http://youtu.be/8-ufR6QG02w.
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Serenity Frye
Gallente Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
[1042]
I'd also like to add that this blog just makes me sick.
Ccp Zulu, I hope these changes let you afford your Japanese selvege. Problem is, you'll still just look like a dork. I myself wear "Japanese denim" but you see, I'm not some four eyed fool that has to force his appearance. You disgust me.
May the amarrian gods strike you down.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: LordElfa After Champions Online went free to play and offered more than Vanity items in their store, their player base increased 1000%.
Even if everyone who was against EVE having more than Vanity items in the store quit today, the money being brought in from MT would more than cover their leaving.
Face it people, the lack of an answer on non-vanity items is the answer. They are coming, period. You can either stay and take part or leave and go elsewhere.
Nothing we have to say or do here is going to change that fact, nothing. There are only maybe 5000 people taking part in these protest vs the other 400,000 that don't care and their purchases from NeX will more than make up for your absence.
Truth sucks, huh.
CCP hopes. CCP wrong.
They forget the whole premise of the game and think it's just about shinny.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Maplestone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
[1044]
NEX has become the lightning rod. Concern over the direction it is pushing developer priorities seems to be hardening into outright rejection of its existence.
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The Fish
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
[1045]
Edited by: The Fish on 24/06/2011 22:31:55 Congrats on somehow making us MORE angry. The clothing analogy was probably the worst possible choice.
Edit: -3 subscriptions.
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Khane Kournaut
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: Sing Xing
Originally by: Korbin Dallaz Edited by: Korbin Dallaz on 24/06/2011 22:12:06
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
Arnar
You guys don't get it. You are dancing around the 500 pound gorilla in the room. The more you try to re-frame the discussion and spin this thing or try to straw man this topic into something more favorable the more our worst fears are reinforced and the more ****ed we get.
God damnit! Another one? I just corrected some other guy about it, like 4 pages ago.
You're using the 500lb gorilla metaphor wrong! The (really it is 800) 500lb gorilla metaphor, is based on the gorilla being so strong, it can do whatever the hell it please. The "elephant in the room" metaphor is about an embarresing (but obvious) thing, noone talks about, which creates an uncomfortable athmosphere (an alchoholic uncle at a picnic for instance, or the boss and the secretary having an affair).
The dancing part is way more straight forward, "Dancing around the subject", there is no animals involved in that metaphor.
FFS people, get this stuff right.
Meanwhile, people are overreacting, calm the hell down already.
I nearly p****d myself laughing on this post! Nice to see someone trying to clear up the metaphors at last.
As a side note, +1 for the last comment
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kai freeborn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
[1047]
Originally by: Sanakan Seidensha I don't get the rage going on in here. Maybe someone can explain how anything changes with Aurum?
Currently in EvE, you can be a noob, get fresh into the game, buy a load of Plex, use them to buy a char, use them to buy your char a mom and all the shiny stuff to fit it with. Will sure beat those other noobs in ther Impairors, dont' you think?
If that is not power for $$$ already being a reality in EvE and has been forever, then I don't know what is...
So what's new here?
the issue is that the leaked doc has strongly hinted at MT being later used to allow buying goods by bypassing the market,, which mean that no one made it,, no one mined for it,, no one sells it for the isk, it weaken the point of industry, without industry there is no point in resources,, without the need for resources why have low and null sec,, if you can just buy a ship and pew pew in it why bother with sec levels at all, no need for espionage, space holding, building anything,
it puts a fundimental crack in the essence of eve,through which effort isnt rewarded
what the rage is for is the lack of clarity,and what the possible outcomes could be.
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Laendra
Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:32:00 -
[1048]
Originally by: Dr Ngo It must be dangerous to backpedal with your leg in the chain and your head up your ass.
That is, by far, the best quote of all time...and so damn fitting. -------------------
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Jonathan Caldar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:32:00 -
[1049]
Originally by: Malak Artoo
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
ARE YOU???????????????????? TELL US!!!!!!!!!!!
ENGLISH MOTHER*******!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT???
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:32:00 -
[1050]
Edited by: Leocadminone on 24/06/2011 22:41:55 > Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions
that line ALONE shows how out of tough CCP is with the REAL WORLD of Eve. Incarna has been NOTHING BUT issues after issue after issue, even for those of us that have deliberately turned as much of it off as we can.
*3* client updates in *2* days is NOT "smooth and successful".
On to microtransactions. I don't care how many vanity items are created, what they cost, what they are paid for. I don't have to buy them, I just won't. no big deal.
The ISSUE here - and CCP, you have FAILED TO EVEN LOOK LIKE YOU EVEN REALISE IT EXISTS - is the whole "pay real money for in-game advangage" thing.
PLEX put a toe in that door - you can buy plex with IRL money, then use it ingame for massive upgrades to your ship or ships or much better ships. but it doesn't offer a HUGE advantage given how easy it is to earn that sort of stuff IN game, and the ability for those of us that are BROKE to play the game without having to put out IRL money is a nice balance.
But when you start talking about using IRL money for things that CAN'T be bought ingame, THAT is when you're gonna kill the game through destruction of ALL trust from the playerbase.
You already have issues keeping playerbase. From what I've seen, Eve Online has the second-highest advertising budget of ANY MMORG IN THE INDUSTRY (after WoW, though you might be 3'd after Lineage since they focus so much on the Korean market). Despite that, you don't even make the Top 10 list of MMORGS based on payed accounts - and given HOW COMMON AND WIDESPREAD multiboxing is in Eve, I have some serious doubts that you have even 100,000 paying PLAYERS.
Are you SURE you want to drive a VERY LARGE number of those players away by NOT paying attention AND QUASHING this hotbutton subject IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS?
You're already ****ing off a LOT of us with the feeble semi-opt-out and "it's only temporary" crap in Incarna itself, despite PREVIOUS PROMISES THAT INCARNA WOULD HAVE AN OPT OUT.
To put it bluntly, your credibility after THIS week is at best MUD, given the wishy-washy bull**** responces to the various issues that have come up this week so far.
To the person that talked about this being Eve's version of SWG:NGE - not really the same, but there ARE some mighty nasty parallels about the game company blowing off feedback from their customer base out of sheer arrogance, ignoring the REAL issue the customer base was brining up, and nearly destroying the game over it. SWG managed to limp on for a while after that fiasco, but it led directly in the long run to SoE losing the SWG franchise when LucasArts stepped in and said "you have warped our vision way past your licence, goodby". TOo bad there's no LucasArts licensing Eve's content.....
BTW, Zulu and CCP - how does this "we're going to look into doing selling stuff ingame direct for real money" match up with your long-expressed statements that "RMT is evil"? If you can't see how hypocritical THAT pairing looks......
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Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:32:00 -
[1051]
Pathetic, now try answering some of the questions you've been asked rather than putting your fingers in your ears.
o7 Drac
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Ancy Denaries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:32:00 -
[1052]
Originally by: ing SpeedyJ OK if u want war, u can get it, lets money talks... I am waiting one week for constructive answer or -3 accounts.
Err, why give it a week? I'd give it a day, at most. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Civ Zomas
Gallente Jazz Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:32:00 -
[1053]
This seems to be not the answers I was hoping for, but another point-missing response from CCP.
Here are the serious points again:
1. A senior CCP dev expressed personal opinions on the future direction of Eve that are anathema to Eve players and contrary to CCP promises. Saying these are merely personal opinions and not company policy is no comfort when the senior dev has major influence over Eve's development.
2. Incarna client delivers UI usability regression, resource hogging and few real benefits. CCP promise that CQ would be strictly optional and not affect existing gameplay is already violated.
Two broken promises. Eve's playability eroded. That's what I want to hear about. Please, less obfuscation and more HTFU.
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Petar Harad
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:32:00 -
[1054]
Edited by: Petar Harad on 24/06/2011 22:35:43 Real life versus In-game comparison of clothes? lol. Lets turn it around shall we? According to EvE lore, the inheritance given to every new player (5000 Isk) has more or less the same value as the annual income of the average worker. So taking your example of the trousers, in EvE the price in the Noble store (3000 AUR) equates to the annual income of over 65.000 people.
To translate that to a real world analogy, given the national average income of the country I live in IRL, that would equate to luxury top-of-the-line designer trousers costing E 2.340.000.000,-. That's right, two-billion-three-hundred-million Euro's. Or just about 0,2% of our GNP. So comparing your analogy to EvE lore, an entire western European country's GNP equals the price of 500 designer jeans....wow.....that's a bit overpriced don't you think?
You see? RL vs IG comparisons to justify decisions for the direction of a game never ever work.
Beside that, the answers you ARE giving are not the answers to the questions WE are asking. And some of the answers you are giving are incorrect and lore breaking. See above. |
Crunchmeister
Gallente Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:33:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 24/06/2011 22:18:19 I am deeply disheartened by this devblog.
Sadly, as I posted in the other threadnaught, the CSM means nothing. I know you guys care as passionately about Eve as us hardcore players do, and that's why you do what you do. And no matter what our in-game standings to each other are, I personally appreciate everything you try to do for our beloved game.
However, the truth is, the CSM is a token showpiece to make it look like CCP really cares about the community. Nothing more. As you know, but CCP's own terms, they are not bound to talk to you, consult you, or have any interaction with you whatsoever if they choose not to.
So CCP, how about you "cut useless costs" if you need money, rather than trying to **** your current cusomer base for all you can to fund your other projects?
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X'ret
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:33:00 -
[1056]
Hi Zulu,
I wont write too much, makein mental fight with an unarmed is not my style, but let me say something.. after you compare irl jeans to virtual things. I have a message from my virtual world to one of your irl friends:
Wake UP Eyjafjallaj÷kull.
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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:33:00 -
[1057]
since it hasn't been said yet that i noticed I hopefully just won big, STUFF, CAN I HAVE IT? |
Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1058]
Originally by: Jonathan Caldar
Originally by: Malak Artoo
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
ARE YOU???????????????????? TELL US!!!!!!!!!!!
ENGLISH MOTHER*******!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT???
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1059]
Oh yea also: CCP Explain this
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Quartex
Gallente Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1060]
I couldnÆt re-quote the whole of your post Arnar but hopefully you can make sense of my comments which are supposed to follow each of your paragraphs. I have included your headings to help.
Dear concerned citizens of New Eden
ME: Yes, that pretty much covers the main concerns that have been voiced so far, apart from the issues some have had with their graphic cards and being expected to log on to a blank door and the need to make it crystal clear that you will not be backtracking on CQ. Unless you would considering a u-turn.
Fearless
ME: OK. Thanks for confirming it is not a fake document and for explaining how it is used. This makes perfect sense to me at least.
ME: This is a fair statement. If the two paid employees were dealt a card to argue in the exaggerated way you mentioned above then it is very unfair for your customers to pick on them for it. I have read some of the comments for which people have been banned and sympathise as much with those on the receiving end as I would with someone in a shop serving an angry customer.
ME: So, whatÆs missing is a clarification of the position reached on MT for vanity versus for gain. Even if you havenÆt decided yet, this would be a great opportunity to promise to come back to the issue now that your customerÆs views have been shared.
Pricing structure
ME: Oh lordy, I wish that you hadnÆt used the jeans example. IÆm guessing that most players didnÆt know you can get jeans for that much. You see, a section of your customers didnÆt realise that you run as a business and behave like every other business. They are shocked to find cool CCP are actually Corporate CCP in jeans and a tshirt. That is part of you growing up as a business.
ME: That is your choice and it sign posts the way forward for Incarna. On its own it is fine to say this but at this point in your explanation people will realise you arenÆt going to mention MT for gain. Then to compound their annoyance you are unable to resist a swipe at people over their passion for the current items. You didnÆt need to do that, it smacks of smugness.
ME: This reads like you have not listened because you havenÆt covered the MT for gain issue. And you suggest that these are issues that your customers are having, with no mention of what the uproar feels like from your side. An enraged customer might think from this that you are un-affected and donÆt care what they think, or about what they have been doing (protesting).
And finally à
ME: I love this game, have been playing it a long time and want a win-win for CCP and its customers here. I may be over-estimating the strength of peopleÆs opposition because only you know how many people are truly ending their accounts but I do think there is an opportunity right in front of you to set the sails of your business for the next 3 years if you can connect with your customers. IÆll add a further post after this one of what I think you should do next but feel free to contact me in game, or invite me into a chat room if that is the route you take.
Either way, IÆll shut up now, whilst wishing you luck. I will not be un-subscribing because I believe you have the people to turn this around à. Many of them, are yourÆ customers.Good luck.
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Aldap
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1061]
They just don't get it at all... CCP, wow.
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Nin Kimrov
Minmatar Kenzi Arms and Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1062]
I want to adress the concern about how incarna is succeful.
When tyrannis came, there was around 60k peoples on the server....
where are those peoples?
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Herman Menderchuck
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1063]
Originally by: Sanakan Seidensha I don't get the rage going on in here. Maybe someone can explain how anything changes with Aurum?
Currently in EvE, you can be a noob, get fresh into the game, buy a load of Plex, use them to buy a char, use them to buy your char a mom and all the shiny stuff to fit it with. Will sure beat those other noobs in ther Impairors, dont' you think? If that is not power for $$$ already being a reality in EvE and has been forever, then I don't know what is...
So what's new here?
The issue as I see it:
Current System: Player A buys a PLEX, converts it to an in-game item and sells it to Player B for ISK. The player buying it can either convert it to 30 days of play time or sell it, again, for ISK. No new items enter the game, no new ISK is created.
Feared System: Player A buys a PLEX, converts it to AUR and purchases faction ammo, +7 implant, or luxury yacht from the Noble Exchange. New item enters the universe out of thin air, not very good for an economy that is 99.9999999% player driven.
Being the carebear that I am, this feared system would be my worst nightmare and kill everything I love about this game. As far as the pricing structure, my brother put it best when he said: "...Because people would like to customize their avatar without spending more than their subscription. Why they can't understand that is beyond me."
I just cancelled my 2 accounts and will re-sub only if I like where this game is headed.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1064]
WAS THAT ALL WE F***ING GET!!!!!!!!
You've been called out and found to be a hypocritical, lying bunch of smug money grabbing fools and you start talking about ú1000 jeans from a Japanese boutique?!!!!! Has all that volcanic ash finally addled your brains??!!!
Incarna one of your smoothest expansions??!!!!!! Are you insane!!!! It's f***ed. It doesn't work at all for hundreds of PAYING customers.
You sir have just proved yourself be more stupid, ignorant and ill-informed as George W Bush.
You're an idiot!!!
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:34:00 -
[1065]
Basically, this blog consists of two letters. F and U.
Every man has something masochistic in them, but in most people this is not very prominent. I certainly think I do belong to that majority.
Enough is enough.
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Hosh Igaki
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:35:00 -
[1066]
I'm really just dumbfounded by this. All of the concerns and the worries were presented in a huge thread that pretty much just repeated the same basic thoughts over and over and over. So you take these, look them over, decide to not answer the important parts, being the direction of MT in eve and how we fear that the game we all love is going to be destroyed as we know it for some petty profit making scheme, and instead explain what the newsletter is, which we already knew, and go on to tell us that the prices of the merchandise was justified.
#1. I and many others don't care even the slightest bit about the prices, wasn't going to buy anything from the beginning even if it were 1 aurum or something per. The prices were insulting to our intelligence and gave us all the impression that the whole point of this was not to create something wonderful and great that looked good and improved the player experience, but instead could be milked by CCP because they think that they can.
#2. The main issue with the newsletter is and always has been the way that we as customers were portrayed and talked about as if our only purpose is to give you increasing amounts of money, for what amounts to little to no work on the actual game. All that time that was spent trying to figure out how to fleece us and squeeze every last coin from us could have been spent on improving the various bugs, poor UI implementation and balance of this game. Fixing these things alone would have kept everyone happy, brought back the "bittervet" population and brought in more customers through word of mouth from your current players as the model has always been. Instead, you seem to have decided that it was much quicker and cheaper to just put crap non-content out, and charge us extra for it. This was the biggest and most important issue of all.
Every other complaint I could come up with,(poor optimization of CQ, implants disappearing, modules/skills randomly not working, CQ being completely and utterly useless from a gameplay standpoint, even #1 above) all of it could have been happily looked over by the players if it weren't for the existence of point #2 above. You have literally taken the most fun online game that I have ever played, and in one fell swoop, turned it completely upside down on itself. I could literally keep typing for another 10 pages, but there would be no point as to this point, all the dev blogs and responses that we as players have gotten show that CCP believes they are doing the right thing and will not change their stance. I hope for your sake you can turn it around, but with the ideals that you now embrace, I doubt you will, can or even want to.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:35:00 -
[1067]
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Please note that I'll take no answer as a "Yes".
Thank you.
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Legash Silden
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:35:00 -
[1068]
Edited by: Legash Silden on 24/06/2011 22:36:57 Assuming someone from CCP bothers reading this (haha) ill try to formulate some of the real questions.
* Will there be non-vanity items for sale EVER?
You see a similar system is already in place with PLEX: you can buy plex, sell em and buy other stuff through the player driven market. The only reason you would need an additional currency for non-vanity items would be to bypass that market - thereby completely ruining the 'sandbox'. If you want to keep the NeX store, you'll at the very least need to release a clear statement about what you envision it to be and, perhaps even more importantly, what you envision it not to be. I watched the tournament closely enough to know that the poor guy tasked to present the IW scorpion there repeated over a dozen times that it was a purely cosmetical thing, so yes i do believe you know how sensitive all this is. The dev blog does not answer this question in the least though, and it should.
* What do you intend to do about the clumsiness of the Captains Quarters?
I know this sounds as if i'm ripping on your hard work, but i'm not. The CQ looks pretty damn good, i'll agree with CCP Zulu there, and yes this expansion is 'smooth' in that the servers weren't down for a week, so props to you for that. BUT. Every time i enter a station now, the loading time is longer than before. When i have to switch ships/load/ammo/do anything at all really, it takes me longer because the interface in the CQ is aimed at being aesthetically pleasing and at not being convenient. Having your ship in a rather dull looking hangar may not be very 21st century, but it worked very smoothly. In other words: it's important to realise that while you may see this as a step forward and a smooth transition, i can assure you that many players see it differently and have turned off the CQ because it is not smooth at all when it comes to quickly changing ships/fittings/etc. Now i don't pretend to know which other futures you're going to add to it and they may very well fix the clumsiness of it. But until those are in place, i would expect the older (and at this point, still better) interface to remain an option. I'm all for expanding on the EVE universe, but if you let it compromise what is already in place, you may very well end up with two products that are each less appealing then the one product you have now. And i cannot imagine that to be your intention.
These are, or so it seems to me, the questions the recent threadnaughts are about. I'm not going to flame you, I'm not going to call you names, i'm just asking nicely and politely for an answer.
One last thing though: Please unban Helicity Boson. I know that she said some things she shouldnt have, and a temp ban would be perfectly acceptable, but i really do feel the need to express my concern over the permanent removal of very valuable community members over isolated incidents. This includes (but is not limited to) SarMaul, Liang and Helicity. It's important to realise that when you completely remove these people, you don't just lose a subscription, but lose a very good source of (depending on the case) valuable criticism, theorycrafting and/or community events, and when you permanently remove them, it takes away a small slice of the games' variety. When you just outrightly permaban people who have put tons of their time into making this game more fun (SarMaul inspired the Khanid Mk2 afaik, Helicity organised hulkageddon, the list goes on...) over what are in the end isolated incidents, you dont look "harsh but fair" - you look petty and heartless. Hence my proposal would be to tone your policy towards the insulting of GM's etc down a notch - make the bans last weeks to a couple months for this sort of forum offenses, but stop screwing over both yourself and your playerbase by removing those who step up - and sometimes cross the line. Simply put them in their place when needed.
Legash
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Abecbu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:35:00 -
[1069]
First off...
Thank you for having some balls and not giving into the whiners like every other MMO!
Second so what if you can buy ships and ammo with real money?! If you tried to "cheat" by buying ships you can't yet effectively use, you'll just be an easy target for people that know how to play. You can do that anyway right now. Someone please go buy and plex and sell it to get that battleship you can barely fly.
The only caveat to this is an item could be reprocessed to gain raw minerals. SOLUTION: Make items bought through the exchange not be able to be reprocessed.
And if they release a ship that is better than any other normally bought ship just buy some plex with isk and get it. Your not forced to spend real money for anything on the exchange.
Another caveat, this could potentially hurt ship builders since there could be less demand for the normally built ships. SOLUTION: Only sell blueprints for ships, ammo, or anything not vanity. This also introduces these items to be bought for normal isk.
Main Point: No one is being forced to spend any real money on these items and people doing so is no different than trading plex for isk to buy current items. Also, with a few rules in place the "normal" economy shouldn't be affected.
Leavers hurry up and leave.
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Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:35:00 -
[1070]
Originally by: Malak Artoo Good job at totally avoiding the elephant in the room (again).
I guess I'll repeat my question again:
Will the MT store sell non vanity items or not?
Since all your recent communications failed on purpose to avoid the subject I assume they will. Subs are canceled and will not be renewed if that's the case.
Have fun with your MT spaceships game.
Alert, Alert!
Almost correct use of "elephant in the room"-metaphor! Avoiding the issue is key to the usage. Well, except everyone is talking about it ITT, so I wouldnt say that it's technically entirely correct, but B+ for practical use and for not involving the entirely different and distinct gorilla metaphor. Kudos.
Let me illustrate.
If CCP holds a meeting tomorrow, and everyone is just sitting around looking at eachother and shuffling their feet, not daring to mentioning the huge storm on the forums. That would be not mentioning the elephant in the room.
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Jedek
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:36:00 -
[1071]
I recently came back to eve from 2 other mmos. I was genuinely excited for incarna. After seeing that memo and experiencing the patch I'm left with the feeling that the money in my pockets is going to be the sole design and development target. At this point I'm feeling pretty empty. A 48 hour response that amounts to something I could write in 10 minutes iss offensive. I don't know where you live zulu but I can't afford to pay 1000 bucks for jeans to impress friends. You may be one of the only clueless jackass at ccp but that's still what you are. Your post boils down to this, we are gonna use real money for in game items with major effects, and the rest of you should bugger off cause you hurt our feelings. You need to go back to school maybe take a psych class along with a management class or two cause you dug that hole a lot deeper. I find nothing attractive about this patch, though cq is pretty that's all it is. While I look forward to roaming a station at this point I'm not sure I'll be around long enough to see it. I'm letting my alt account expire, and as for my main here I probably won't be back for a bite at the apple ever again.
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:36:00 -
[1072]
Worst reaction possible I think.
The fact it took 48 hours says even more than the (lack of) content adressing relavent issues. CCP is done with it's current player base, we're free to leave as we like. They are after a new market.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:36:00 -
[1073]
I'm really genuinely interesting (and sorry if I missed it) in seeing Mittens spin doctor Zulu's blog.
THAT should make for fascinating reading.
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Antibac
Maul Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:36:00 -
[1074]
Edited by: Antibac on 24/06/2011 22:38:22 Update for my fail-quoting.
Originally by: Angel Vengen MT for items already existing in-game. perish the thought, we could never allow that in our game. Oh wait. Its been around since I started playing. At first with ebay, and black market isk deals, now at least through a certified source with the PLEX. You buy a PLEX with real life currency, then sell it for isk, and congrats, you now have isk to use for in-game items. all AUR really does is adds another step to it. You use AUR for a set of +5's, or ISK from a plex for +5's, you still payed RL money for in-game objects.
The important difference is that you used to sell your PLEX for ISK another player had generated, then use that ISK to buy items that another player had made in game (in most cases). This was keeping the economy churning. With the Aurum-for-items pipeline, you are just injecting items into the economy with no in-game source. Whether this will crash the economy or not, I don't know, but it's a total departure from the Eve ethos up until this point.
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Xia Long
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:36:00 -
[1075]
Originally by: Raivi . I'm having a hard time believing that you aren't purposefully trying to sabotage eve, as ridiculous as that idea is.
that's what i started thinking in the past 48 hours aswell. Looks like (to me) CCP is actually try to trim the fat from EVE, to make it more interesting for buyers (Sony?) sadly that fat is we the "old" playerbase, we leave, MT comes in and by the time MT-DUST is out they r inhabitated by the same kind of population, easire to mix the 2 games up. At the same time by selling the game, capitalizing some money to fund new projects...
p.s. sorry for my bad english
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Android Mindslave
Gallente Mindworks
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:37:00 -
[1076]
Seriously though.
Even if we take your absurd argument that the newsletter was just a pro and con piece... It begs the question: Why do the pros and cons matter when you are ALREADY GETTING PAID THROUGH SUBS.
Why are you implementing a Pay to Win model on top of a Pay to Play subscription model. You are already getting paid for EVE once. If you want to get paid twice, you have to actually explain why.
If you can't explain why you need to be paid twice, then your newsletter either reads like naked lazy 'I want money for nothing' greed, or absolute pointless discussion of something that has nothing to do with anything. Is the next issue of fearless going to discuss how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? Or is it going to be an issue where you complain that random people don't send CCP money for nothing and how unfair that is since you really like money but don't like doing anything to EARN it. |
ADONISS PRIMUSS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:37:00 -
[1077]
Putting aside game mechanics, it will very bad bussines. I suggest CCP to read this.. http://www.game-developers.org/node/163 It is an analysis of why Star Trek MMO failed. BAsically, 2 reasons.. microtransactions on top of subscription and unfinished content, like this stupid Incarna. Even if you don't care about youre players, you might want to get a bussines consultant on this. I am not renewing my subscription until a writen commintment is issued (can be added to the EULA) that CCP is not adding microtransactions to the games mechanics and economy.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:37:00 -
[1078]
You can't call something Common and Exclusive in the same breath.
You kidding?
Quote: Parley time is over. Lower your arms, surrender, and prepare to be boarded.
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I P Freely
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:37:00 -
[1079]
CCP needs to get the ban stick out, grow back the balls they lost after the t20 incident and put a stop to this nonsense where the players think they can disrupt services, mass spam forums with colors and over sized lettering and generally being self entitled douche bags.
Yes it would cost some subs but at the end of it perhaps the players would be at a bare minimum respectful and put forward there concerns in a constructive manner.
As for the blog, thank you Zulu for confirming that i read the pdf in a some what correct context. Couldn't care less for the vanity stuff as there is no need to buy it.
What is missing is how you plan to proceed with the store, my concern and what is a deal breaker for me personally is if you add things that bypasses time to build in game, full items without hand-in of t1 base item hence "spawning" minerals and similar, things that disrupts the normal flow of the market basically.
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Keylah
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:37:00 -
[1080]
@CCp Zulu
-About the leaked doc, I was neither surprised or offended by it, throwing opinions/ideas around like that is common for companies. Still, it didn't say anything I didn't already suspect. Just sucks when memo's like that get leaked, eh? How did you manage that one anyways? :P
-About NeX, those prices are way over the top, and don't try with real world comparisons for items that have no functionality other than visuals(which only the player can see atm). Slash the prices with 90%, it's a lot easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar.
-You said you could only address two issues, I think you picked the two wrong ones. the issues should have been addressed are:
-AUR for items that enhance game play -Optional Captain's quarters
Addressing those with haste will put out a lot of fires. Personally, I love CQ etc and have no issues with it, but I do understand others do not like it or can't run it due to sub-par computer. So it should be optional. That is all.
-K
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Zufera
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:37:00 -
[1081]
Originally by: Dan Estrellas Amigo
Plus, we want a respectful choice to not use the system-burning CQ; not just a picture of a door. Return system-friendly ship hangar please, with "Leave Pod" option.
That would be awesome :D
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
We don't want to ****storm anybody. We just want to get a clear "NO! You won't be able to transform $ into advantages hitting the game meachanics".
We are all paying for our accounts. Most of them have multiple acounts. We paid them for years, just to punch out the last percentage from our weapons. Now you are starting a discussion about transforming $ into Skillpoints or other advantages, devastating our endurance and disciplin in character forming.
IT IS OK TO DISKUSS IT!
But it has been leaked. It is affecting all of us and it is affecting us hard. So it is time to clear all the myth and give us a final statement if those myth will ever come true.
I am not complaining about your internal discussion. But I am complainging about not giving a clear response whether those myth will become true.
Greetings zufera
By the way: Great work with agent and corp finder. But I have disabled CQ. It is eating system resccource in an disproportionately manner.
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:37:00 -
[1082]
Originally by: Vim Thank you CCP for that devblog clearing up that it is indeed a document meant to cause inhouse debate with extreme standpoints.
Guess me and the others that realized that from just reading the title and the edition are just brighter then the average. People are still saying: You've dodged the question!!! OMG Will you sell non vanity items? Guess a lobotomy would not help the average rager with their reading comprehension.
They are saying exactly what it was to you: A document to cause debate with extreme standpoints, as they had been asked to. I'am glad Soundwave can comeup with thoose ideas, because that means he knows what would be terribly bad. And he could put thoose concepts into text. As he and the others were asked to do.
I can debate pro-vegan, that does not mean I actually am. I will certainly engage from time to time in taking the opposing standpoint just because I know what arguments I struggle to counter; By taking the other side and putting them forth I get helped with increasing my knowledge on a topic in a usualy heated friendly banter. For fun. To increase eachothers skills at debate.
As for NOBLE
#1 Noone forces you to buy.
#2 Yes the prices are high now.
#3 If you grow tired of a vanity item, you can unlike most other games sell them directly on the open eve market. Hence, if you grow tired of it, you sell it to someone that wants it and your actual spent $/isk/plex on the item is suddenly close to 0. Didnt think of that angle, did you?
#4 By introducing the high costly items now, they save the PLEX market from spiking, making the PLEX speculants that hoped for a massive increase in demand of plex quite bitter since the spike will not happen, costing them their speculation isk, thats billions upon billions of isk lost for them. This is exactly what CCP wants, that noone should profit to easily from speculatinon on the changes of a patch.
No content expansion? *New Turrets, laying foundation for upgrading of the rest of effects in eve as well as other goodies. <-This one was pretty huge of an undertaking. *More Bugfixes, fixing things that been broken: Always fricking good. *Captain Quarters, the first cornerstone to the actual WiS. The remaining building blocks to come in staggered releases, as they said they would do with big changes.
Now I would be a tremendously happy for the old station view and a 'go to your quarters' option over the door. Running up to five clients, I cannot run CQ properly. When CQ customization and the real WiS comes: I'll be choosing to disembark to my quarters alot, but I'll still want just the old hangar and its functionality unless I choose to depod and walk among mortals. But it looks realy promising. A+ if they make me able to switch the main screen to the news I realy want to see.
Now CCP, when is my codpiece, my pirate hat and my gurista scientists geneticly engineered bunny coming in the noble store?
Fly safe. Thanks for clearing it all up. To the ones who still feel harmed and are not just being douches, siding with certain angry nerd that rallied her commando team of alts and buddies to inflame opinion when she got a simple forum ban: Reading comprehension lvl 3, train it. Go to a university. Take debate class A.
Thank you ccp employee for your contribution.
12 months ago the player base voted very strongly for: absolutely NO MT that affect any form of game play. CCP confirmed that was their likely plan. 12 months later CCP are discussing it internally (whether it was a theoretical discussion or an actual plan is irrelevant) The players have said NO. CCP is still in the possible stage. The players are now saying:
**** CCP listen or EVE will die, we do not want MT that affect game play. We want that to be at the core of your values it is not up for debate or discussion.
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Yagen
Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:38:00 -
[1083]
Oh, btw, to stay on topic with a "focus discussion on pricing strategy" : What is the argument that made you think that you could get away with less than a third of what was expected of this expansion, and then make the customer pay for a bit more of content?
So my answer pretty much is "charging for it at all".
Then, if you are in financial troubles, why not devise a PR strategy for that instead?
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:38:00 -
[1084]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Hey, CCP Zulu/Arnar. Thanks for clearing up that this dev blog was just about those 2 points. However do you maybe think that was a mistake. The people are revolting (insert joke here), and you ask them to eat cake.
There can be no excuse for personal attacks, I understand that CCP Soundwave was playing (possible) devils advocate. But you must understand from all the posts, threads and publicity the PROBLEM is not who said what, how it was leaked, or even the deployment of Incarna (even for people like me who couldn't care less about walking in stations, thats for other people).
It is now ALL about the future. IS THERE A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT NEX STORE WILL SELL SPACESHIP ITEMS THAT WILL EFFECT THE MARKET (different looking scorpion without using a scorpion from game, faction ammo, faction standings, for example)
A simple.. NEX STORE IS FOR VANITY ITEMS ONLY... and you want to charge 1000's of BUCKS for stuff.. GO AHEAD.. good luck.
The problem is we are not hearing that.. we are hearing NOTHING.
And that worries me, more than anything else in this game worries me. I'm scared that 7 years of investment, thousands and thousands of pounds playing a game may be wiped out as I hover over cancel.
I've never been a bitter vet. I love EVE.. I love FanFest.. I love alliance tournys.. I love the sandbox.
But if it is possible to bring something into the internet space ship game from fresh air that will give someone an advantage, its over for me.
Yes, you may gain some subscriptions as its easier. But people won't mine, won't rat, the economy and sandbox will die, I'm not a game designer.. but SURELY you see that... PLEASE say you see it..
Confirm NEX STORE = INCARNA... thats all we ask.
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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:38:00 -
[1085]
Seriously, where's my ship spinning?
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:38:00 -
[1086]
The only thing I hate about Eve is the Eve community. Those decent players trundle forward with doing whatever it is they want to do with little or no complaints and largely make eve what it is.
By contrast "protestors" ruin a game otherwise fun by letting everything get so personal. They feel some awkward deep connection to a game. Something that the word "need" should never be addressed toward and goes a step beyond want to entertainment. Eve, like every other game, is synonomous with things like crossword puzzles, baseball, and channel surfing. It should never be such an important part of your life that the friend-of-a-friend leaked internal newsletter suggesting charging aur for "real items" throws you into a rabbling bunch of goons.
I never thought the eve playerbase would be such a good huntingroung for broken people.
I guess if CCP ever did anything "wrong" it was to make the goal of eve to invest so much of people's work and effort. It seems that rather than allowing eve to become a place to blow off stress people are consumed in it's virtual space wholely and end up getting in such a tissy about something like this. Good God what would you do if they sold out to a chinese pay-to-play company.
Bottom line is, if you don't like it ok.... whatever, send zulu an e-mail. If he never answers or you don't like the reponse quit. It's not worth your worry.
OR you could do what any reasonable sane person would do and just wait until there is actually a problem. Not omgs! My ship is docking me in the roomz!!! Buy a decent machine... christ in heaven I'm running this on a laptop. A cheap hp for that matter. If your machine running seven mining bots stops loading stations WONDERFUL! Good riddence.
CCP keep in mind, by in large the people happy with the changes won't whine on this post. Please don't let these people ruin a good strategy. I and surely the majority of others are looking forward to the expansion of incarna AND aur. If anything eve would be better off without some of the crybears and trolls. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Goatse Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 -
[1087]
Pretty much sums it up
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Nestox
Modgade Eode Unforht
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 -
[1088]
Hey Zulu you just screwed up big time - ccp has to earn back the trust of a lot of players now!
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Hildulfr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 -
[1089]
Incarna hasn't done anything to break the game for me, so I'm going to keep playing. Maybe CCP will make that fateful game breaking decision later like Sony did for SWG, but right now I'm playing and watching to see where CCP goes with this. CCP isn't going to make any permanent decisions about the store only 2 days after putting it out there. Just like us they need to learn about an in game store. Unsubbing is one way to protest the decision, the other is not to use the store. A store that sells nothing goes out of business.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 -
[1090]
BOTH ACCOUNTS CANCELLED
Lies, lies and more lies.
Deceit, arrogance and ignorance, from one reply to the next.
We were lied to, again and again, and we were milked for all we were worth.
They told us bare faced lies about not introducing MT, then when they did, they said it was only going to for "vanity" issues, and then their next move was to try to sneak in a SCORPION for cash, with the excuse "but itÆs only for a trial week!!!"
We rage and we scream about the betrayal, and finally Pann shows up and demonstrates her complete ignorance by assuming that the cost of their worthless dross was the issue!!!
"But no" says Manifest, "that was just a misunderstanding. Pann and everyone KNOWS what your issues are, and we'll be getting important people to answer soon."
And along comes Zulu.
And what does Zulu have to say???
NOTHING
So now YOU lied Manifest.
CCP: Deceit, ignorance and arrogance.
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
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Nikolae Varius
Amarr Mongrel Squad Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 -
[1091]
Could you be more out of touch with your customers?
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Bon Hedus
Amarr Voice of the Blood Raiders
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 -
[1092]
Dear CCP Zulu / Zulupark, In response to your recent blog post addressing the concerns brought up in this thread, you will find my response below. Sincerely Bon Hedus.
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 14 September 2011.
Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
If you feel that this cancellation has been made in error, you can quickly and easily reopen your account by clicking below. -------------------------------------- Heavy Lag Spike II belonging to EvE Cluster Node #0815 hits your Connection, wrecking your latency to 998ms |
Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 -
[1093]
Originally by: Tiny Mongo tldr: Dev's are acting more grown up then this vocal bunch. Cool your jets and have a civil discussion.
we tried that dude, we were IGNORED. not one single question has been answered every dev blog continues to parrot the same bull**** over and over and refer to said bull**** as "answers" and "new information" not once have the stopped the propaganda parade long enough to actually listen to what people are asking the question of "will this go past vanity items" has been posted and reposted for the better part of a day, and yet the dev blog released have way thru said day of ranting ignored said question and again parroted the bull**** company line.
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Shuu Naifu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1094]
Dear CCP Zulu,
You could have made this work you know, had you taken your time, been more subtle- more insidious. Sure, you can't fool everyone, but what's most insulting is that you thought your playerbase in this game of cut throat economics- would not recognise your greed driven motives when you enacted them in such a hamhanded manner.
That is what disgusts me most. Not the NEX prices. Not the impending P2W game-wrecking updates. But the complete disregard for the intelligence of your players. We are not from World of Warcraft. We are not 13 year old crackshots living the good-life out of their parents wallets. We are intelligent, creative, innovative people who came to eve to invest our time and money in sculpting something brilliant. But here we are. Years down the line. It's hard to believe that the same Developers that gave us this beautiful space sandbox are now ****ting in said sandbox, scrabbling to cover up their defecation with poorly painted pixel art. As for the prices in the Nex:
Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Here you talk about quality CCP Zulu. And rightly so, there is a very good reason people pay extortionate amounts for what they wear. But what makes your NeX clothes so good? Where is the quality? At $1000 I expect bespoke service, fitting, platinum thread- denim of the highest quality crafted by master seamstresses, I expect it to be on the catwalk, donned and beloved by famous models, celebrities and fashion critics worldwide. And here you are telling me that these little pictures warrant the same adulation, the same respect as that? Sticking a ú20000 price tag on a Fiat doesn't make it a ferrari CCP Zulu. Get someone from Prada to design your clothes- then I will accept your prices. Until then, don't insult the fashion industry and your player base with your poorly conceived little costumes.
Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?
I can tell you now what the vast majority of players have to say about the people whose characters are wearing these clothes. They think they're stupid. They think they are gullible, mindless twits for bending to these prices. Not only that, but there are widespread plans to gank these players.
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Perhaps it is you CCP Zulu who needs to remember we are talking about clothes. Clothes that can not be seen on ones avatar or even be seen by other players at all. Clothes, the price of which could buy me a real life ticket from Cardiff to London, and across the eurotunnel to France where I could go on a real haute shopping spree.
It goes without saying that the largest concern here is the future of eve regarding the nature of what is being sold on the NEX. The plans revealed in the internal newsletter to introduce, ships, faction ammo and standing to the NEX store- if implemented, will utterly ruin eve both economically and in the fundamental manner in which the game functions. Years of subscriptions that we dedicated to grinding standing, carefully allocating skills, and meticulous corporate multitasking will mean nothing. You are nullifying the efforts of over one hundred thousand players and if you think for a second that we will not take this to heart then you are entirely wrong. If we wanted to play a game where one could buy victory we would not have ground our sweat blood and tears into eve online. Because that's not what eve online stands for.
Every player posting tonight only does so because they love your game. Please, don't forget that.
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Maldred
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1095]
You have got to be kidding me.
We want f***ing discussion and we want f***ing answers. We don't want aggressive dev blogs with no content.
Do you feel like you're under attack? Well you are. Your customers are enraged and you're the laughing stock of the mmo community for selling horse armor in space. Jesus Christ guys, do something. This blog is a waste of time.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1096]
Originally by: Maisonian How can somthing so simple be so difficult to answer?
I have a theory on that:
Because they won't tell us they obviously intend to add items to the MT shop that will have advantages.
What they're probably hoping is by not telling people and making them wait longer, it gives people longer to adjust to the idea.
They know they're going to lose people but by keeping quiet they hope it won't be so many.
Only a theory.
Theory two, they're trying to break Eve as they could possibly have some kind of insurance against such an occurrence. Maybe Dust is a pile of crap and is likely to lose money.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1097]
CCP, have you ever stopped to consider the precise meaning of the word "fearless"? Let's have a look.
To be fearless is to be without fear. However, courage does not mean acting without fear. Rather, to have courage is to act DESPITE your fear. To act without fear at all, is just plain stupid.
So whenever you say WE ARE FEARLESS, what you're actually saying is WE ARE STUPID.
Your blog is also stupid. It completely fails to address the concern everybody has right now, about your plans to introduce MT for non-vanity despite earlier promises not to do so. It may only be a preliminary internal discussion, but the existence of that discussion itself is still enough to break that earlier promise to your players.
All this is actually quite ironic because, on the strength of feeling you and I both see on the forums at the moment, if I was in your position CCP, right now I'd be feeling very afraid indeed.
This kind of ****storm that you continue to perpetuate by not addressing the core issue of MT for non-vanity items, is doing a masterful job of challenging the notion that all publicity is good publicity.
But you just don't seem to see that. I guess that's just because you're FEARLESS, I suppose.
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Mataki Chenn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1098]
I hate threadknoghts like this but I am going to post now a very simpmple message....
The prices in the NEX store are outragous because they are connected to PLEX witch gives everything you put in that store a cash value. 4 plex or 80-90 bucks will get me 1 monical . It is true that you can buy this stuff on the normal market via isk but all of those prices will be based on the number of plex that it takes to get the aur to buy the stupid stuff.
Also no "lore" reasion for this will slide. Capsulears deal in ammounts witch ammount to one plannet dwellers life sllery per one isk or something crazy like that. We buy and self install implants that from what I can tell are made from the brains of people (or the bio parts of them are at least) and I can get a +5 added intenraly with no scars no visible marks for 100 mill isk but you are asking me to pay multiple billions to add a superficial eye implant (monical) or a snazzy new coat ? I think not.
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Arya Greywolf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1099]
Originally by: Smagd
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
THIS AND 2) ARE WE GETTING OLD HANGER VIEW BACK WITH OPTION TO DISEMBARK (VIA STATION BUTTON) TO CQ AS A *PERMANENT* OPTION?
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Dihl Dacella
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1100]
CCP have played this perfectly.
The number of unsubs that will result from this is marginal at best. 200-page thread of rage comprised largely of alt postings are mostly bluffs, and Zulu has called it. The harder and faster they go with transitioning to more microtransactions, the sooner they can proceed with future development plans and redefine their marketing strategy.
The majority of forum ragers are too invested in this game to ever truly part with it, unless forced to because they were stupid enough to get themselves banned, and the majority of the playerbase doesn't read the forums to begin with and doesn't care one way or the other.
After the press settles down and EVE continues to move along and grow, CCP will become the envy of every subscription-based MMO in the business who don't have a solid enough game to survive the microtransaction switch. EVE will continue to fill a niche in entertainment that no other game quite can.
"They'll be fine until they sell things that give 'unfair' advantages! Then they're screwed!"
Players can already purchase a large number of gtcs with cash, purchase a high sp, capital-ship capable pilot, and immediately skip to endgame. Alliances do this all the time. |
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yokozuno
Mind Games. 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1101]
answers?
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 -
[1102]
Edited by: Ancyker on 24/06/2011 22:41:26 This dev blog is a joke. The first part I already figured out a while ago and that's fine, the second part about pricing -- you obviously don't know how games work and until you learn I'm not giving you any more money.
I'll play until my (5) subs run out, then I'm done until you get some sense or some employees that actually know what they are doing. In the mean time it seems world of tanks will get my money. Maybe you should look at them for an example of how to do things, $1-2 for sh!t, not $20, not $60, $1. Adding things for MORE? Are you INSANE?
Bye.
P.S. The people that pay $1000 for jeans are rich and insane.
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Tautut
The Union Of The Snake
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:41:00 -
[1103]
Compared to 8 years ago - the state of player / CCP relations has never been so poor.
CCP - how did you let it come to this? You were original and shunned other approaches to MMO design in order to make something unique and excellent. Where are we going with this now? You really seem to have disconnected with your player base.
This blog post doesn't really go far enough to settle the concerns about changes in direction. You're going to have to move towards the player base rather than expect them to move towards you.
The longer it tales for you to 'get it' - the worse this is going to get.
The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:41:00 -
[1104]
We will take that Jita statue down eventually!!!!!
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Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:41:00 -
[1105]
HAHAHAHA.
That dev blog addresses nobody's concerns as everyone at CCP must know, and it just goes to show what a catastrophic fail this whole business is.
But it's nice to know for sure that all the angst with this over the past couple days has been entirely justified, and nice to know canceling my 4 accounts was not premature.
You do not deserve my money or my time, but since I have already helped pay for all of your jobs, I will enjoy the rest of this train wreck, as long as it lasts.
30-60 days and counting on my accounts. lol...it's honestly nice to end my EVE career in the wake of such a disaster for CCP, who - as we all know now - has been unbelievably dishonest and disrespectful to its loyal customers.
Not such big superstars now, eh, Team Awesome?
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Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:41:00 -
[1106]
CCP staff T_T cause the customers are saying mean things trollololo
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Serynna
Gallente Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:41:00 -
[1107]
Originally by: Taleris Kline
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Taleris Kline Wow, this is supposedly the best MMO community and this is what we have to show for ourselves.
Point #1: If I was Hilmer I would order the forums shut down until the community can get a healthy dose of perspective. The major question of "Will there be non-vanity item in the NEX store?" is not a topic of this dev blog. CCP Zulu clarified as much and still the community ignores the point of the dev blog. THIS IS A GAME!. THIS IS A HOBBY! Do you guys really like what you've turned into over a hobby? Can you really look in the mirror and be proud of raging this much over a hobby? This is how riots happen after a sporting event. How silly do these look? We have it right here.
Poing #2: A better question to be asking is acknowledging that this is not the blog with the answer to THE QUESTION and asking who is responsible for it.
Point #3: Subscribers do not write the paychecks for CCP employees. NEWSFLASH! Those checks are written by CCP incorporated. Does anyone truely know where CCP gets all of their money from? Threatening CCP employees paychecks is not only wrong but just shows immaturity.
There are ways to disagree respectfully and there are ways to look like a total jerk. I'm seeing many more jerks than people with something intelligent to say.
DEV alt detected post with your main
I admit it. I am a developer. I work with a company that does display development for helicopters. However, I am not a CCP developer and it is an ad hominum attack upon me to insinuate that I am a CCP dev alt.
Can you logically disagree with any of the points above?
I cannot logically agree with any of the points above:
1.Shutting down the forums would be very unwise, as it would further enrage the players and cause even more cancellations. 2.CCP knows what we want, and we have a good idea who is responsible for it. As such, this is not a "Poing" 3.CCP has a single product. If people stop paying for this product then CCP the company has significantly less income. If that is not replaced, layoffs ensue. Layoff = employee without paycheck.
I am a patient person. I have been respectful. I have been polite. I have been heartfelt. But my patience is running out.
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Anderling
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:42:00 -
[1108]
Edited by: Anderling on 24/06/2011 22:55:16 SORRY - CCP ... MT would be managable but your pricing is MAD... After playing from 2003... i finally think its time for me to unsub my 3 accounts and just check back in a Year to see what has happened. I never post but WoW ..you realy got me with this Expansion ...
Your Exchange is a ripoff!
$1000 for a Jeans ...WTF ... Plus there will be more expencive items ...WoW ...THis Dev blog made me feel like i just got Shafted!
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PhoenixDawn
Gallente Forge Regional Security United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:42:00 -
[1109]
Originally by: Vim
#4 By introducing the high costly items now, they save the PLEX market from spiking, making the PLEX speculants that hoped for a massive increase in demand of plex quite bitter since the spike will not happen, costing them their speculation isk, thats billions upon billions of isk lost for them. This is exactly what CCP wants, that noone should profit to easily from speculatinon on the changes of a patch.
The first valid explination I've seen yet. I had contemplated what this new PLEX outlet would do to the plex market and saw it begin happening, and subsequently stagnate once the real prices of the claptrap turned out to be. HOPEFULLY CCP will bring the NEX down to realistic territory over the coming months... like, perhaps, $0.80 for that laughably ugly monocle and $0.20 for some clothing. That's where SL is at. I might spend $5-10 for a complete Avatar and another $10 for clothing and mods to make it 'mine'. The only time I would consider $80 would be for a complete custom AV using a stock market AV and hire someone to mod it to my specs. Heck, a complete AV from the ground up and unique only runs about $200 (Kinzart).
Originally by: Vim
No content expansion? *New Turrets, laying foundation for upgrading of the rest of effects in eve as well as other goodies. <-This one was pretty huge of an undertaking.
And it worked out rather well, IMO. The new icons take some getting used to but are pretty sharp. Unfortunately the turret placement on my Phantasm puts these huge pods on the end of slender struts... which is uglier than the south end of a northbound garbage truck.
Originally by: Vim
*More Bugfixes, fixing things that been broken: Always fricking good.
But the introduction of new bugs obviates the work, and the true bugs (content introduced with past patches and left to languish... COSMOS, Faction Warfare, et al) have not been addressed or even glanced yet beyond the reduction of farmability.
Originally by: Vim
*Captain Quarters, the first cornerstone to the actual WiS. The remaining building blocks to come in staggered releases, as they said they would do with big changes.
This aspect of the patch, to me, was rather useless. I've no need for the CQ and would happily go back to the old hangar style if I could. As I said before, if I want to walk around I'll log into SecondLife and sext some people up out of boredom.
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Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:42:00 -
[1110]
Only CCP would make a situtation this bad even worse.
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
[1111]
Someone should tell those poor individuals who will get plenty of beating at the next fanfest that they should htfu. If they wonŠt we will see a lot of dev tears soon. But I still have to admit, Zulu is right on the jeans-thing.
If someone is dumb enough to buy a 1000$ jeans just for bragging he will deserve the beating he will get. Zulu is more or less calling us to do the beating to those with monocles. Kick them out of your alliances, suicide them in high sec, pod their asses in low. Kick them out of null. Express what you think about ccps plans that way! Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
[1112]
Originally by: I P Freely bare minimum respectful and put forward there concerns in a constructive manner.
We tried that for about 4-5 years and they kept coming to the meetings with blank looks like they didn't know what we were talking about.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Algathas
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
[1113]
Wow.. what a lot of words to answer absolutely none of the concerns people have been having but instead confirming them.
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Nerodon
Gallente Incapsulated Reality
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
[1114]
Dear CCP, I've always loved the way this company has lead our beloved game that is EVE. I enjoyed pretty much every bit of content produced and felt satisfied with what I was offered.
NO LONGER! Incarna is a very limited expansion, completely unfinished with no reassurances of what to expect. We are all frustrated because be feel betrayed, we feel like we are being lied to, that our game may go in a direction where NONE of us want it go!
If you guys care so much for this game, please remember, what made eve what it is today is because of it's loyal community, don't try to force things onto them, Eve is no longer your little baby, it's all grown up now, respect it!
The players are angry, listen to their cries, think twice before messing with controversy! There's a reason why it is controversial... I get it that some people are indeed attacking specific people in the community, but this is like bashing leaders in politics... It's sad, but there's a lot of anger in the community, they target individuals because it's easier for them to lay the blame on someone specific.
The eve player base is like your subjects, we look forward to the decision of our leaders... And we are not afraid to exclaim our discontentment. We loved the king! We used to shout in the streets "LONG LIVE CCP! THE KING!" But now, being forced down a path we don't want to follow, we scream "TYRANNY!".
I hope you end up making the right decision. We all do. Because is WE the players, who love Eve the most... Be the company that knows best, be the company that exeeds expectations, the BEST and MOST LOVED gaming company... Do not succumb to Greed. GREED IS NOT GOOD! Greed will only lead you to failure.
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Artorius Pearson
Caldari WALLTREIPERS
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
[1115]
Originally by: Tobiaz Congratulations CCP Zulu, you've just thrown a tanker of gasoline on a forest fire.
This blog is sadly EVERYTHING the community expected and rightly feared. There is not a single true apology in that dev blog. Not a single mention of being wrong and promising change. You can't honestly think the community will accept that? The fail of Incarna has management written all over it, yet CCP thinks so little of their customers we don't even get a response from Hilmar? Don't you see this solves NOTHING?!
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We are being double-billed so CCP can go on and make more games we don't care about. There are plenty players that have already spend over a thousand dollar in subscription fees, yet all we get for an expansion is a vending-machine wrapped in eyecandy. Where are the fixes?
Is that your strategy for player-retention? Do you really believe that you can replace all the bittervets leaving by just attracting new players? SWG should have shown you how well that strategy works out. It doesn't!
But ok, fine! CCP needs money, we need our EVE-fix, so maybe we'll condone your stupid and overcomplicated vanity store. But sadly your guys at sales&marketing are incompentent fools who don't understand the first thing about micro-transactions. It's all about taking away the financial barrier. You make money by charging little and selling a lot. Not the other way round.
So now we are paying CCP money on top of our subscription/PLEX(=time) so you can put a vendingmachine and a jacuzzi in our kitchen. But barely anyone is using the vendinmachine because of the stupid pricing. So we ask ourselves why the hell are we putting up with this nonsense that's the focus of this content-starved update? You say it's to make hard-needed money, yet you do a horrible job at it!
It would have been so much smarter to start the NeX store with items costing almost nothing, easing your customers into buying these items, getting them used to the fact they spent Aurum. But I guess that's just too much common sense for people like Zinfandel. Your SR Sales&Marketing who doesn't know the first thing about EVE.
I've been with EVE since a month into beta. I love this game. But I'm really getting to a point where start to wish that EVE completely goes down in flames.
Things need to CHANGE, and perhaps the only way the players can achieve that, is by first destroying EVE and CCP. Afterall: CCP was a much better company when it was still small and most employees actually played the game.
I say we give it a try. Maybe then Hilmar will deem us worthy of a response.
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Morpheus Solo
Minmatar Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
[1116]
Edited by: Morpheus Solo on 24/06/2011 22:44:26 Im an 04 vet, who have enjoyed EVE immensely. Even though i havent been playing actively for a couple of years i have been paying my subs for two accounts because i think (well thought) that CCP was a cool MMO developer and that i might be coming to play actively.
Well i'd have to say that i cancelled both my accounts tonight, not because of NeX prices (couldnt care less), but the utter lack listening to your community which u used to do. And im not just talking about incarna but the last couple of years.
I am very saddened that CCP have gone in this direction, i guess its a risk for every corporation getting bigger that u loose the connection to your customers (even more so i guess when u merge and sign big contracts with like SONY).
If things change (as in the community being listened to, not just being told they are listened to, aka actions) id be happy to come back. But for now adios, hasta la vista...
And to CCP Zulu, if you worked in my company you would be so fired unless you were told to write the content of that blog.
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Digital Gaidin
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
[1117]
If you guys decide to sell clothing, outfits, tattoos, or even ship PAINT on the market, I don't think anyone will really care. If anything, we might come to like it over time - especially if the paint jobs show up on killmails! It would be nice if you gave a little care to lore though, and why an Immortal pilot would want to spend billions of ISK on a vanity item when he/she is locked away in pod for the vast majority of one's existence is beyond me [hundreds or thousands of ISK would not only fit lore, but make ultra-high volume for your MT market and maintain in-character look and feel].
But I digress, what people want to see and hear are that, 1) You will NEVER sell anything on the store that modifies a characters stats, ships, or modules (implants, ships, modules, skills, skillpoints, etc.) 2) You will not focus development time on expanding vanity issues (namely Aurum stuff) at the expense of game development and/or bug fixes 3) You will attempt to communicate with the player base better (and then actually attempt to do so!) 4) You will actually attempt to address the game issues that we, your dedicated fan base, have with EVE
I have been playing EVE since about a week after I got back from my honeymoon over 4 years ago. I recently returned from a 10month hiatus caused by CCPs lack of focus on making fleet fights a priority (servers couldn't handle large fights meant me asking myself why was I paying to play your game). I have voted with my wallet before, and from the looks of it enough players did exactly the same and things got fixed!
I'm back and doing my best to bring those who left after I did back again as well. Nothing on the market comes close to enjoyment I find in the EVE universe, or the community I get to fly with. We, your community, love your game when it works. We WANT EVE to be incredibly successful. We want to go to our jobs, visit old friends, and carry with us grand stories of space battles and interstellar politics. We want to be able to load up EVE and show off our hobby.
When you release broken features like Captains Quarters (this shouldn't have been hard to make as smooth as a 5-year-old FPS), make docking in stations clunky, make reasonably moderate gaming rigs (such as my Quad Core AMD with NVidia 9800GT) nearly melt while doing non-stressful operations like docking, and focus development time and effort on aspects of the game that bring little to our playing experience, its disappointing. EVE used to be an incredibly cool environment where developers mingled with players, and to some extent such as fanfests that continues. When we basically get the finger in this type of post though, its not only disheartening but destroys the relationship that took oh so long to establish.
Please do some soul searching CCP, and reach out to the community to clearly explain where you want to go with EVE. You aren't Blizzard, a massive company who mistreats its customers at every turn and causes a massive turnover rate on its flagship product (or SOE who has managed to screw up every game since Everquest). You run a niche game with a hyper-loyal crowd of followers. Treat them right and you just might achieve your article written in EON a year or so ago about EVE thriving for 50 yrs. **** on us long enough and try to tell us its raining, and its just going to get you one less subscriber. Just like the Sandbox video, for every veteran who leaves, how many friends will eventually follow suit as their in-game social networks begin to deteriorate.
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buck herrick
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:44:00 -
[1118]
Originally by: CCP Manifest dev blog.
in the devblog there is the word "sh itstorm". this word is a meme, it could be mis-read as a threat in an emotional situation.
memes are very different to threats. DIAF for example is a meme, and not a threat. double standards do not sit well.
that aside, i am afraid that this 'devblog' do not sit well. it has no answers, although i accept your explanation of something we already understood. do not be mistaken, many of your playerbase work in the corporate world too - we understand 'internal' memos and discussion, we also understand how policy is driven and can be reassesed at any time.
the lies are the issue - MT WILL / IS / not ever planned - it is here....the slope goes one way unless you change the direction very quickly.
change it. become, once again, the ccp that used to care, listen and be part of somethign great.
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Kujira
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:44:00 -
[1119]
Originally by: CCP Zulu I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
It's ironic that you imply that the player base needs to be more constructive and focused when you yourself are fueling the fire by not answering the most pressing matters. What I and I think most with me are interested in hearing is a solid reply on whether or not you are going to introduce non-vanity MT items at ANY time in EVEs future, or in any way giving an edge for people prepared to spend money on MTs. You've been quoted earlier with saying 'no'; but the leaked newsletter and your continuing silence on the matter makes many of us nervous.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:44:00 -
[1120]
Originally by: Vim
Guess me and the others that realized that from just reading the title and the edition are just brighter then the average. People are still saying: You've dodged the question!!! OMG Will you sell non vanity items? Guess a lobotomy would not help the average rager with their reading comprehension.
They are saying exactly what it was to you: A document to cause debate with extreme standpoints, as they had been asked to. I'am glad Soundwave can comeup with thoose ideas, because that means he knows what would be terribly bad. And he could put thoose concepts into text. As he and the others were asked to do.
I can debate pro-vegan, that does not mean I actually am. I will certainly engage from time to time in taking the opposing standpoint just because I know what arguments I struggle to counter; By taking the other side and putting them forth I get helped with increasing my knowledge on a topic in a usualy heated friendly banter. For fun. To increase eachothers skills at debate.
As for NOBLE
#1 Noone forces you to buy.
#2 Yes the prices are high now.
#3 If you grow tired of a vanity item, you can unlike most other games sell them directly on the open eve market. Hence, if you grow tired of it, you sell it to someone that wants it and your actual spent $/isk/plex on the item is suddenly close to 0. Didnt think of that angle, did you?
#4 By introducing the high costly items now, they save the PLEX market from spiking, making the PLEX speculants that hoped for a massive increase in demand of plex quite bitter since the spike will not happen, costing them their speculation isk, thats billions upon billions of isk lost for them. This is exactly what CCP wants, that noone should profit to easily from speculatinon on the changes of a patch.
No content expansion? *New Turrets, laying foundation for upgrading of the rest of effects in eve as well as other goodies. <-This one was pretty huge of an undertaking. *More Bugfixes, fixing things that been broken: Always fricking good. *Captain Quarters, the first cornerstone to the actual WiS. The remaining building blocks to come in staggered releases, as they said they would do with big changes.
It is called damage control or spin, do you really think based on what the plan is for DUST and WOD along with what we are seeing in EVE that the document was a 'hypothetical' on extreme viewpoints? With only one 'dissenting' voice that didn't dissent to the extreme but was more trying to offer a 'counterpoint' to 'THIS IS AWESOME!'?
Noble, great name, anyway you are right you aren't forced to buy you are forced to look like a poor pos until they reign in prices and offer more items in what amounts to a store they drag you out of your pod and toss you in to show everyone how poor you are. Would you enjoy being put on display every moment of your life for others to 'judge' you?
As you grow tired of items and resell them, isn't it possible CCP will mess with the pricing and the item you paid a billion for drops to a fraction of that as new high priced crap enters the exclusive uber rich level of crap you gotta have? They are targeting a select group of people who have more isk than sense or things to blow it on. What better way to get the most gold out of people than having the 'rich' buy it today and the poor get it 2nd hand a year or more later. Didn't think of that angle did you?
By doing this crap now they are laying the foundations for more cash shop crap and non vanity items just like PLEX has brought us this crap.
I actually agree somewhat on the 'no content expansion' except my take is they could have released the few new things had they balanced and fixed much more. As it is the bulk of their work was CQ 1/4 buggy coded POS setup to open the store front NEX.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:44:00 -
[1121]
Hey Stoffer,
We won man, its game over now. You got in and trolled from the inside and nothing can never top that.
Quit your job, and lets all duckwalk back out of this *****.
Everyone else,
Remember when Goons gave a presentation and said we weren't out to ruin THE Game, bit YOUR game?
We totally lied.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:44:00 -
[1122]
Edited by: adriaans on 24/06/2011 22:47:55
Originally by: Smagd
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Please note that I'll take no answer as a "Yes".
Thank you.
This.
Also, the dev blog sounds more like accusing the playerbase than anything remotely like an apology, nor does it even sound sincere.
I've invested over 6 years with 3 accounts on this game, I have never had so much love for a game ever before.. but you are very rapidly destroying that.
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Quartex
Gallente Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:44:00 -
[1123]
So here is my road map to peace, or perhaps to a temporary cease fire! Even if this is a smaller issue than it seems to me, when viewed through the forums, youtube, facebook or local in the major trade hubs of New Eden, you have a fantastic opportunity to re-assure, clarify and excite everyone about how you do business and where you are headed.
1.I get that you are running a business.
I understand that as a business you need to increase revenue and also that your stated mission is to bring together Eve online with Dust. I appreciate that you are looking at the cutting edge free to play and social networking games and seeing that their models, which include a healthy dose of Micro-Transactions, are embraced by the wider gaming population and have dramatically increased the stock of the Companies behind them. You and your backers want a piece of this. I get that the money you make will go back into eve online, as well as seeking to develop new games to spread your risk. 2.How do you take your customers with you?
You have a customer base that many businesses would die for but that have a tendency to resist change and you have reached a tipping point where they may hold back your further development. You need to explain better what you are trying to do, address the core fears in this thread and make sure that the silent players who you wonÆt hear from have a chance to have their say too. You have moved too quickly, too silently and as a result of the leaked internal document many perceive you to have behaved falsely.
3. What do you need to address?
i)Re-build trust. Publish a Covenant, Bill of Rights, memorandum of understanding (call it what you will) that gives your customers an insight of where you are going and what will be in and what will be out in the medium term. Specifically address MT for gain/MT for vanity/RMT/Botting/Graphic card issues with CQ. ii)Clarify direction and milestones of CQ. Some are excited about CQ as a pre-cursor to Walking In Stations and the extra ôcraftingö and social options it may introduce. Tell us how long we need to wait for it. iii)Re-assure existing loyalists. Be confident in explaining why you need to attract new players but re-assure those who joined for the realisation of ôBrabants Eliteö and the sandbox/player driven economy/Risk all PvP/metagaming evolution of the game to date.
4.Who needs to address us?
i)Bring out the big guns. CCP have become very big. You have become successful. You have grown and taken on lots of new guys; professionals at what they do. This is the moment for the founders to get in front of the cameras and re-connect with the player base. ItÆs not about vets hearing from old Devs, itÆs about Hilmar delivering the answers and committing in a believable way.
5.What do we need to hear?
i)ItÆs simple really, as much realism as you like but passion for the game we love. The kind of passion that came across in Syndicate local back in 2004, when CCP TombB simply asked; ôhow are you finding the game?ö
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:45:00 -
[1124]
WHAT THE ****?!
The community which loves and cares for this game has been raging for days because of the ineptitude of the game's caretakers. And you come back to us with this? Zulu, you didn't address any concerns, all you did was give us the finger.
That rag you call a newsletter was not a voicing of opinions, it was a statement of fact. Besides the point/counter-point section every article reads as if MTs for power items are a statement of fact. You'll forgive me if I take your dismissal with a grain of salt.
Zulu, wake up brother. We, the community, are the ones who pay for and breathe life into your product. Without us CCP is nothing. Why the hell are you trying to chase us away?
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Azureusi
Cargo Container Rotation Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:45:00 -
[1125]
Originally by: Abecbu
And if they release a ship that is better than any other normally bought ship just buy some plex with isk and get it. Your not forced to spend real money for anything on the exchange.
>implying we're all rich enough isk wise to buy several plexs, break them down, and use the AUR on the over priced as f**k market. Think about it, a monocle is how much? A ship will be so much more. ~ Azzy ~ |
Lilliana Stelles
Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:45:00 -
[1126]
Originally by: Arya Greywolf
Originally by: Smagd Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
THIS AND 2) ARE WE GETTING OLD HANGER VIEW BACK WITH OPTION TO DISEMBARK (VIA STATION BUTTON) TO CQ AS A *PERMANENT* OPTION?
Why is everyone asking this? The answer is obviously, yes they are, and no, we are not. There's no reason to keep asking; they'll explain the details when they're ready. You may as well go ahead and start contributing instead of spamming the question over and over again.
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Thodol
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:45:00 -
[1127]
You know whats a really poor business decision. To destroy all trust and respect CCP has earned with its existing player-base, while having two other games in the cooker. Whoever is responsible for these decisions in addition to whoever is responsible for the PR after said choices needs to be fired, instantly.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:45:00 -
[1128]
Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 24/06/2011 22:49:48
Originally by: Vim
Guess me and the others that realized that from just reading the title and the edition are just brighter then the average. People are still saying: You've dodged the question!!! OMG Will you sell non vanity items? Guess a lobotomy would not help the average rager with their reading comprehension. ... Fly safe. Thanks for clearing it all up. To the ones who still feel harmed and are not just being douches, siding with certain angry nerd that rallied her commando team of alts and buddies to inflame opinion when she got a simple forum ban: Reading comprehension lvl 3, train it. Go to a university. Take debate class A.
I guess they forgot to teach you to read between the lines in debate class A?
If it was simply a discussion excercise and the end result was that they decided to never sell non-vanity items in the store, then they would come out and say that and much of the rage would cease. Some posters would apologise, some would thank CCP for the candour, others might be terribly embarassed and most would renew their subs.
The fact that it took so long for such a vacuous response indicates that the future of Eve is sealed. Non vanity items will be available at a station near you soon. Their long planned strategy provides no room for manouvre and they are going to accept the collateral damage (the subs lost) earlier than expected. They will already have had a plan to deal with those losses until their expected MT gains roll in. They just might have to ask for finance to carry them over due to the unexpected early disclosure of that plan.
However they have decided to burn their bridges & take that loss early. The player base have been manipulated, played and metagamed by CCP. Accept it and make your choice.
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Muddy Miner
Gallente Tiny Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:45:00 -
[1129]
Edited by: Muddy Miner on 24/06/2011 22:48:46 I read the dev blog and ... my head hurts. *wave* Epic EvE Thread "[Competition] Best picture of door" |
Eliniale
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:46:00 -
[1130]
Originally by: Vim
Originally by: Jonathan Caldar
Originally by: Malak Artoo
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
ARE YOU???????????????????? TELL US!!!!!!!!!!!
ENGLISH MOTHER*******!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT???
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."
The fact that they are not outright saying: 'no we won't make vanity items that offer an ingame advantage' doesn't bode well. Also i know a lot of people are saying: 'but you can buy plex off the market to buy those vanity items' Uhm.....? Ever seen any 6 month old player get enough isk to buy a plex?
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Republica Winder
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:46:00 -
[1131]
Edited by: Republica Winder on 24/06/2011 22:47:53 Thank you, Zulu for a blog that actually answered every question we needed answered.
And guys, before you flame me, he actually DID. From this "blog", we now know these things:
1. There ARE going to be non vanity RMT items. They won't say it because they know this will only cost them MORE subscribers sooner. What is clear is CCP is set on their path, there is nothing we can say or do, short of unsubscribe in enough numbers as to send them into receivership that is going to change this. RMT is here and it's here to stay. Everything you read in the newsletter that you don't like is on it's way. Don't like it, LEAVE, it's coming.
2. CCP isn't going to lower the prices of the RMT items because they consider it fair to charge more for a virtual piece of clothing than a real piece of clothing costs. Indeed, they are so convinced of this Zulu mentions that EVEN MORE expensive items are on their way to the cash shop. From this you can infer that player made clothing is never coming, think they are going to allow YOU to compete with their $70 eyewear and $30 skirts? Don't like it, LEAVE, it's here to stay and you are only going to get MORE of it.
3. The station interface isn't changing. Incarna is everything they hoped for. Blown video cards and such represents what they consider to be a flawless patch day customer experience. Don't like the interface? You can turn it off (for now) but see that DOOR in front of you, take it as a hint, LEAVE.
4. Fearless. Zulu, fearlessness isn't a virtue. There are animals out there that are fearless. One such is called a lemming. It will fearlessly follow other lemmings right off a cliff. That is exactly what CCP is doing in forcing these unwanted changes on us. You are doing so fearlessly, following everyone else who added RMT.
Fear is a very important emotion. No, one shouldn't be ruled by it, or give into it. But it helps you make better decisions. Fear is a warning. Fear stops you from doing something really dumb. Some fears are healthy fears, such as, fear of God, fear of "will I have a job in 6 months if everyone is actually angry enough to QUIT over this?"
You get the picture.
As I said, this "blog" told us everything we actually need to know: What is here is staying, there is going to be more of it, and YES, RMT will touch every aspect of the game. We either like it, or leave.
I vote we leave.
5 subscriptions canceled, and I won't be coming back.
Good luck, CCP, in either replacing us with enough new players with deep pockets, or in finding new jobs over the next 6 months.
Goodbye, EVE, it was great knowing you. I am honored to have played with two of the greatest player bases ever (SWG and EVE) in the two best sandbox games ever (Pre-CU SWG and EVE). Unfortunately in both cases the publisher got greedy, decided to not listen to the people who merely make their livelyhoods possible, and pressed the SELF DESTRUCT button.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:46:00 -
[1132]
CCP Executive Management: you guys have got to be the most incompetent managers I have stumbled in to in almost 20 years of managing business projects.
Zulu: you are incompetent - look up the Peter principle Soundwave: check out the forums Zinfandel: just p!ss off
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Vhal Vhindiscar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:46:00 -
[1133]
Edited by: Vhal Vhindiscar on 24/06/2011 22:46:35 Wake up CCP. Get it together. Remember what it was like NOT to have to put out PR fires? Remember when the only issue you had were bugs and not massive rejections of the most basic principles that years of your work were based on?
Pick up the phone. Get a clue. You make a game we pay to play. That relationship isn't set in stone. Your vision has ceased to correspond with ours and we REJECT you. WE REJECT YOUR VISION. Change it. It's a hell of alot easier for me to play another game then it is for you to build another game.
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Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:46:00 -
[1134]
Originally by: Dihl Dacella CCP have played this perfectly.
The number of unsubs that will result from this is marginal at best. 200-page thread of rage comprised largely of alt postings are mostly bluffs, and Zulu has called it. The harder and faster they go with transitioning to more microtransactions, the sooner they can proceed with future development plans and redefine their marketing strategy.
The majority of forum ragers are too invested in this game to ever truly part with it, unless forced to because they were stupid enough to get themselves banned, and the majority of the playerbase doesn't read the forums to begin with and doesn't care one way or the other.
Yup most of us like myself are not prepared to stop playing eve completely. But likewise most like myself have 2 or 3 accounts & could quite comfortable get along without them for a month or 2 in protest. And that could potentially translate to alot of moola lost.
Originally by: Dihl Dacella
EVE will continue to fill a niche in entertainment that no other game quite can.
Jumpgate EVEolution is out soon :P
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Ishtinkar
French Kiss Singularity Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:47:00 -
[1135]
If you guys read this : CCP employees reviews , you'll understand why all this is happening, and why there is sadly nothing good to expect from CCP anymore.
I was thinking, like so many others, that CCP was still an indie corp focused on making a great game but it looks like they're now only trying to make a great cash machine not caring at all at customers.
Evidence is, one of my friend corpmate had his toon recently killed by someone who got access to his account thanks to a GM giving him the login/pass, and CCP never wanted to give the destroyed character back nor ANYTHING. That was a 1 year old toon.
The dream is over, I feel like Eve has died today and my affection and trust towards Eve/CCP are gone. I don't want to afford for such an experience anymore.
-2 accounts.
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Micro Tranactions Rock
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:47:00 -
[1136]
Ok, with al this negative postings, i would like to post something positive about Micro Transactions.
I think the Micro Transactions is a really good thing, ofcourse i do not care about the new 3d engine or the clothing! I do feel badly for people with older computers who now can't run multiple clients!
But for the store, you don't have to buy clothing, i don't know why i would ever buy clothing in a spaceship game. But i guess we have a girl playerbase who like some sims elements in the game.
But to the point, I really hope one day we will be able buy skill points (or items that will convert into skill points) in the Micro Transaction store.
I know a lot of players object to it, saying i played 8 years and now have 150m skillpoints. -And do not want newer players to be able to get there fast.- But why not? If a new player spends as much money on the game in 1 month as you did in 8 years? It is the choice of the new player who is buying the skill points. It is his money which he spends on a hobby!
And if CCP makes more money they might even hire some people to fix-up new space ships like tech III frigs and battleships. (and fix posses and some other bugs that has been around for a few years)
Well this is solely my opinion, I hope I offended nobody. Lets all be friends again and shoot each other spaceship instead of spending so much time on the forums. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:47:00 -
[1137]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Thanks, and Zulu, while you likely were told to post on these topics and these topics only, rest assured they were the WRONG two topics, and CCP should prepare for the firestorm to rage even harder.
I was amongst many who was pretty ****ed at the community response initially, more than company's leak. CCP employees should indeed be able to say whatever the **** they want, and it should have remained private. They deserve to have an internal debate before final decisions are made and released to the community. But **** happens, and the player base has spoken loud and clear that we now primarily care about ONE issue and ONE issue only - WILL AURUM BE USED TO OBTAIN IN GAME ADVANTAGES??
CCP as a company is not dumb, the player base are not dumb. But both are belligerent. CCP has the right to sell outrageously priced pants. People lose carriers in dumb ways every single day, anyone who's played the game several months or longer has at least one profession that could obtain the 1.6 million isk for a monocle in a few days grinding if they want, no real harm there.
But we have demanded an answer on one simple question, and CCP has had plenty of time to give a simply answer to a simply question.
For many of us counter-ragers intially, who told everyone to calm down and see what CCP has to say, the honeymoon has worn off. The PR machine is in full force, the PR machine is now the 1,000lb gorilla in the room, and has failed to address the remaining primary question (now's the time to take notes CCP Fallout) -
WILL AURUM BE USED TO OBTAIN IN GAME ADVANTAGES OVER OTHER PLAYERS?
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Hosh Igaki
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:47:00 -
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One thing I missed and I hope you not only read this, but actually understand it, is that for there to be ANY hope whatsoever of moving forward from this, the players who are upset need to see ACTIONS and not words. Already I can count 3 times you have gone back on your word or just flat out lied to us, choose whichever one makes you feel better, but they are both flat out a horrible way to do business (and that's not even counting how many times we were promised iteration and changes on things introduced(t3, wormholes, AFs, 0.0, etc.) and nothing happened). Let me reiterate as this part is the important one, you must show the players that we can once again trust you to do what is good for not only us, but for the entire universe of EVE, I would imagine if that is not seen in at most a week, it will probably be too late for any chance. Good luck, I truly mean it.
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Bendy Profane
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:47:00 -
[1139]
This devblog is a bad joke in the context of recent events. It does not adress the core issues (rmt for non-vanity items yes/no) in any meaningful way. It does not even try to regain the trust of those who read fearless and felt lied to/ insulted by it. It reads like a half hearted response, written in 5 minutes, defensive and without any awareness of the seriousness of what it is adressing.
If I was a cynic I'd say it reads like a confirmation of implementing rmt for non-vanity items. If this is the case, you will lose a large part of your player base. Including me.
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Axlotl D'newt
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus exactly as expected.
crap.
Yes, it is. Ugh. "Fearless' should also be the name of your public forums; it takes a lot of brass ******* to have company employees stick their foots in their mouths the way yours did, and then come out in public attacking people - customers!!...that find fault with their rather boneheaded statements.
Let me spell it out for you: #1 Microtransactions need to be inexpensive, or we're just going to laugh at you. $50-60 isn't a "microtransaction" - it's double my internet provider bill, you goobers. #2 MTs in a *highly* competitive game like Eve cannot ever yield appreciable game benefits, or the "pay to play" scenario will cheese off the other 95% of the player base. If you can't make money with a $15 per month subscription, maybe you need to talk to Blizzard and see how it's done. #3 people with blogs & 3rd party apps for your game are precious gems. You might want to reconsider that $99 licensing fee crackpot idea I've been reading about. #4 In general - I want you to take this to heart, now... Everytime I read developer missives from CCP, I am horrified...just absolutely horrified...at your high-handed and belligerent tone. When we tell you something - you need to listen, or we'll stop giving you money. Period. you're an entertainment expense, not some necessity.
I'm a long term Eve subscriber with frequent unsubscribes; in other words, exactly the guy you ought to be trying to retain. I resubscribed, at least in part, to see your new expansion and what you've been up to the last 2 years since I last flew my dominix. Not real impressed; the extra processor load *seriously* doesn't justify the broom closet & MT hot-dog-stand you've put in. I foresee another 2-3 month stint followed by another 2-3 year absence. Good luck - seems like you'll need it.
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Krell Kroenen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Please note that I'll take no answer as a "Yes".
Thank you.
This is my question as well, I could careless about vanity items but if you start adding things that impact game play and little Jimmy can use his mommy's credit card to get an leg up then I am out of here with my 3 subs.
P.S. That jeans example... bad choice and way out of touch with what we are upset about. Also if those were just the opinions and ideas of high ranking employees that have a direct impact on the direction of the game why the hell are you surprised we took their comments to heart?
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aryth Hey Stoffer,
We won man, its game over now. You got in and trolled from the inside and nothing can never top that.
Quit your job, and lets all duckwalk back out of this *****.
Everyone else,
Remember when Goons gave a presentation and said we weren't out to ruin THE Game, bit YOUR game?
We totally lied.
Well played.
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
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CCP Zulu, lemme just say two things:
1- First of all I'd like to respond to that dev blog in the same spirit as is was intended at players: **** you, and **** that blog and the horse it rode in on.
2- Now, more constructively: You've got to be insane. You have on your hands what is probably the biggest ****storm in the history of EVE and this is what you post? CCPs actions so far have only served to escalate the situation: - Initial silence - CCP Penn's first address was well intentioned, but intentionally or not, missed the mark and fueled the fire - CCP Fallout's comments were bordering on rude and made things worse, as have several tweets by CCP staff during these 2 days. - Perma-banning several vocal members of the community, while probably justified, was obviously going result in further agitation
And after all this, you come out with a few paragraphs that are basically a big ****-you to your customers? I'll summarize your post neatly: "We are delusionally thinking Incarna was so great an smooth, you players are scumbags, our NeX prices are fine because the items are oh-so-awesome and worth every penny, and we'll probably have stuff for even higher prices there, so just shut it and stop whining"
And to top it off, not a clear word on CCPs roadmap for MTs in EVE.
What exactly are you trying to do here? Honestly, what were you expecting as a reaction to this? Because if you were genuinely expecting this to solve things, then you're either insane, high as a kite, drunk as hell or devoid of any notion of the reality of this situation and of your playerbase...
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OldPueblo
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
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I am outraged about all of this stuff in this thread that everyone is talking about. I have made a protest video please take the time to view it CCP and protesting brothers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dLsyE8Fvc
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
[1145]
Originally by: Perramas Ive heard of people committing suicide on the internet but I have never witnessed one.
For a long time people have (incorrectly) been saying Eve is dying. I think today those prophesies have come true
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
[1146]
Originally by: Aryth Hey Stoffer,
We won man, its game over now. You got in and trolled from the inside and nothing can never top that.
Quit your job, and lets all duckwalk back out of this *****.
Everyone else,
Remember when Goons gave a presentation and said we weren't out to ruin THE Game, bit YOUR game?
We totally lied.
also darius, make sure to grab the liquor on the way out
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Mindseamstress
Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
[1147]
Edited by: Mindseamstress on 24/06/2011 22:55:39 Edited by: Mindseamstress on 24/06/2011 22:49:31 Not clothes - VIRTUAL clothes. Would you pay $80 for a barbie dress? No didn't think so...
And btw buying a piece of virtual clothing for $80 is analogous IRL to buying a pair of jeans for $10bn, the price of a real carrier.
Not to mention that your EULA needs to change (or will be forced to change) given the introduction of RMT / AUR. Players who now buy a piece of virtual clothing now actually own it, as opposed to subscribing to game time. Will be interesting to see this one unravel!
Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
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Manssell
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Smithington WHAT THE ****?!
The community which loves and cares for this game has been raging for days because of the ineptitude of the game's caretakers. And you come back to us with this? Zulu, you didn't address any concerns, all you did was give us the finger.
That rag you call a newsletter was not a voicing of opinions, it was a statement of fact. Besides the point/counter-point section every article reads as if MTs for power items are a statement of fact. You'll forgive me if I take your dismissal with a grain of salt.
Zulu, wake up brother. We, the community, are the ones who pay for and breathe life into your product. Without us CCP is nothing. Why the hell are you trying to chase us away?
Yea, it was a debate the way FOX News has "debates".
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:48:00 -
[1149]
Self destructed about 100 mils' worth of crap from my Jita hangar. Good to have a clearout!!
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Realdoll1
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Realdoll1 on 24/06/2011 22:50:38 The only question that matters is the one you didnt address.
What about the non-vanity item future of the store?
SJ
PS The only reason this patch went smoothly is because you didnt actually add anything.
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Stignos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:49:00 -
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I cannot trust this companies word when it comes to what they tell us the community and what they really plan in main office, no apology or correction of course will change that, because it all could just be more lies.
I looked forward the future of this game and that of DUST 514, now I will move on to other games where I at least do not know what they really think of us the players.
Biomassing my char rite now, go ahead CCP check it.
Ill also make sure to tell anyone else I talk about MMOŠs what you really think of players and the community that kept you going for eight years.
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Caldari SpyGlass
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Caldari SpyGlass on 24/06/2011 22:51:39 Yeah in all fairness CCP Zulu, the wording of "Fearless" which I might add the word fearless is just stupid egocentric marketer speak for the sake of shareholders and moronic CEOs, was worded in such a way that is actively assuming the consumer is a gullible idiot that will just buy things for the sake of emotional attachment or social proof.. this is further echoed by this very blog entry.
The whole "Brand culture" argument is just blatant market speak as well, you guys are charging people for items that don't exist, and you're charging Way way way way too much, more so than your competitors even. You're trying to rip people off, no question about it.. No matter how you sugar coat it, all you're doing is ripping people off who are gullible to buy it. This is wrong. You guys are an insult to capitalism, at least those brand labels that cost $1000 give you something real :P.
And as has been said, firstly there should NOT have been a need to discuss MT, the entire team just should have flat out said NO to it because of how stupid it is you've done more damage in doing this than any of your competitors ever have way to self terminate, secondly this discussion should be been extended to CSM and the greater community- plus the documents should have been made public from the start. More transparency could have avoided this entire storm in a teacup.
Business Ethics for Sale!!!
Anyway most of us are unhappy about this and are voting with our subs, you want the money back, make us happy.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: leth ghost on 24/06/2011 22:50:31 I don't even play EVE regularly but reading the forums the last few days has been morbidly fascinating. Based on what I've seen both before and after the dev blog was posted, very little in the way of actual concerns was addressed, especially regarding the demands for an answer on whether "micro"transactions would indeed eventually encompass non-vanity items.
Sadly, my interest in World of Darkness fades more the longer they mismanage this mess
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Arcaneidas
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:50:00 -
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Since CCP can do things and not justify their actions with a proper answer, I will follow that genius model. Afterall, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, is it not?
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Indy Rider
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:51:00 -
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So a whole load of waffle and you have still failed to answer what I think is the biggest concern to us, will Aurum be used to gain exclusive items, beyond clothes?
Maybe its just me, but prehaps I need a monacle to see an apology, because this is just not good enough. I won't be renewing my accounts.
Then banning one of the people who have contributed in a way that few ever had? I don't care what he said, or who he said it to, I would have thought that some could have understood how passionate we can get (obviously).
Toodles, I'll be taking my money elsewhere.
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NosubstanceHere
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 22:51:12 CCP Zulu,
You have not addressed any concerns as stated by the players. What you have done is addressed what you think should have been addressed, Big Freaking Difference. You arent hearing or acknolagding what any of the players wanted you too, rather only what you (or your bosses) want.
Anyways I'll just leave this here: Unholy Rage
-NosubtsanceHere
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Republica Winder
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari SpyGlass Yeah in all fairness CCP Zulu, the wording of "Fearless" which I might add is just stupid egocentric marketer speak for the sake of shareholders and moronic CEOs, was worded in such a way that is actively assuming the consumer is a gullible idiot that will just buy things for the sake of emotional attachment or social proof.. this is further echoed by this very blog entry.
The whole "Brand culture" argument is just blatant market speak as well, you guys are charging people for items that don't exist, and you're charging Way way way way too much, more so than your competitors even. You're trying to rip people off, no question about it.. No matter how you sugar coat it, all you're doing is ripping people off who are gullible to buy it. This is wrong. You guys are an insult to capitalism, at least those brand labels that cost $1000 give you something real :P.
And as has been said, firstly there should NOT have been a need to discuss MT, the entire team just should have flat out said NO to it because of how stupid it is you've done more damage in doing this than any of your competitors ever have way to self terminate, secondly this discussion should be been extended to CSM and the greater community- plus the documents should have been made public from the start. More transparency could have avoided this entire storm in a teacup.
Business Ethics for Sale!!!
Anyway most of us are unhappy about this and are voting with our subs, you want the money back, make us happy.
As I said on the last page, fearlessness isn't a virtue. Unthinking animals are fearless (like the lemming). Fear helps stop us from doing dumb things. Like destroying the golden goose that lays the golden eggs.
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Crazy Craven
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:51:00 -
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My question is, why all the hard work and time spent on barbie and ken (The Sims Approach)? Nobody want's to play dress up, they want to play EVE, PVE, PVP etc, next you will introduce new beds and lamps and such, maybe a sexier new wall mirror?
Come on CCP I don't remember reading anywhere on here or anywhere else that fans wanted dressup action in EVE yet you have dedicated a lot of time and money into something that's not required and your cost per item is off the wall.
Maybe if you spent as much time resolving current issues within the game/game mechanics, people would not have such an issue with this. -- if (Troll == "idiot") return "Troll is an Idiot"; else if (Troll != "idiot") return "Troll is still an idiot"; -- |
Lirael Dyrim
Gallente In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:51:00 -
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Just gonna quote myself from the parley thread:
Originally by: Lirael Dyrim Surprise, surprise. A devblog full of self serving vapid trash about your new "gorgeous" product. A devblog that took you TWO days to write when the community is in UPROAR, with nearly 200 pages of responses to your frankly weak request for calm and poor communications.
This devblog gives us nothing, you have not addressed our "concerns" at all. You've just glossed over them. Gone oh well "LOL GUISE, INTERNAL NEWSLETTER, MY BAD". It's really confusing to me that you would have to put all that into a newsletter in the first place. If it's not representative of company opinion, why is it printed in the company newsletter? Why not have a meeting where there's less chance of your slimy money grabbing plans slipping into the wrong hands? I guess I'm old fashioned.
What about the direction of AURUM? And the direction of EVE in terms of Microtransactions? You never even mentioned the one thing that is driving the EVE community to it's biggest showing of collective rage since I started playing. What about CQ? Are you sorting out performance issues? Is it staying optional? The questions are all endless and unanswered, you should see, there are 200 pages of them.
As per your assumption that we're all soooo angry about the price of the clothing, you're clearly blind. The monocle has become a symbol of ridicule. Clearly, you know this and you know that the prices are ridiculous. Have you EVER bought a $1000 pair of jeans? I know for a fact that I never have. I'm not vapid enough to put my entire self confidence into a piece of material stitched by people earning 20 cents an hour. And that's REAL clothing, this is PIXELS.
It's really insulting to your customers for you to consider us only interested in your hyped up pixel Barbie closet if it has the extortionate price tag it has at the moment. I like to consider EVE players to be quite savvy and I can tell from the reactions of so many people unsubbing that we have had enough.
Your company is completely blind and it will be your downfall. This devblog could have saved you but it's another steaming turd of lies, delusion and insult.
Letting my two other PLEXED accounts run dry after July and this one once my 3 month sub runs out.
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Calliste Orange
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:51:00 -
[1160]
Edited by: Calliste Orange on 24/06/2011 22:51:47
Originally by: CEOcat This was probably the most pointless CCP response yet including some rather ill placed sarcastic one-liners.
Yes. Wondering in which direction that sarcasm was aimed, reading between the lines. We're assuming it's at the playerbase and it may well be so. But yeppers, the sarcasm is damn near ambiguous enough to feasibly work in the opposite direction, in my opinion.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:51:00 -
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Quote: but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop.
are you serious?
Lets talk a bit more eve/RL:
RL 1 pair of jeans = 50$ 1 pair of designer jeans = 1000$
For thousand bucks i could also buy a new PC, a small used Car or a few other things.
EVE 1 pair of designer jeans = ~230m ISK (i read that somewhere) 1 frigate sized spaceship = 200k ISK 1 cruizer sized spaceship = 4m ISK 1 bc sized spaceship = 20-30m ISK 1 battleship sized spaceship = 50-100m ISK
Keeping in mind that the Capsuleers are the richest people in the universe we let everyone wear already luxury jeans for 1000ISK, that means we'll get jeans that are 230.000 times more luxury than the already very luxury jeans. And considering how luxury your 230m Jeans is, its just a mass-product everyone can wear and noone in RL would buy that stuff.
Okay thats it, i now need to decide if i buy a new dress or a faction fit marauder.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dihl Dacella CCP have played this perfectly.
The number of unsubs that will result from this is marginal at best. 200-page thread of rage comprised largely of alt postings are mostly bluffs, and Zulu has called it. The harder and faster they go with transitioning to more microtransactions, the sooner they can proceed with future development plans and redefine their marketing strategy.
The majority of forum ragers are too invested in this game to ever truly part with it, unless forced to because they were stupid enough to get themselves banned, and the majority of the playerbase doesn't read the forums to begin with and doesn't care one way or the other.
After the press settles down and EVE continues to move along and grow, CCP will become the envy of every subscription-based MMO in the business who don't have a solid enough game to survive the microtransaction switch. EVE will continue to fill a niche in entertainment that no other game quite can.
"They'll be fine until they sell things that give 'unfair' advantages! Then they're screwed!"
Players can already purchase a large number of gtcs with cash, purchase a high sp, capital-ship capable pilot, and immediately skip to endgame. Alliances do this all the time.
People have bluffed in the past but I doubt many will bluff over this.
People are invested and if CCP is deliberately pushing them out then you should take note, because you will know what to expect when you end up in the same situation. Being heavily invested should not stop someone form quiting, if you don't quit when you know you should then CCP has got you hooked like some slave to their game. Always know when to quit.
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PhoenixDawn
Gallente Forge Regional Security United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:52:00 -
[1163]
Oh, and all of you folks who are quitting, please contract your stuff to me. Not that I will use it, I just want more stuff to glut my assets list with.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:52:00 -
[1164]
Originally by: Republica Winder
Fear is a very important emotion. No, one shouldn't be ruled by it, or give into it. But it helps you make better decisions. Fear is a warning. Fear stops you from doing something really dumb.
Fear can be countered by a small group of idiots reinforcing delusions that risk is less.
In CCPs case by telling each other how smart they are.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Albretch
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1165]
That devblog was incredibly insulting. You answered none of the actual issues that caused the now 200+ page thread.
I love EVE and hate to see it end this way.
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General Grevous
Caldari Comrades in Construction Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1166]
Edited by: General Grevous on 24/06/2011 22:55:20 Basically what this blog says and like an earlier post indicates is that the MT items are here to stay. no going back. the lack of response confirms that they are planning to do the things outlined in the newsletter otherwise we would have heard that they are not going forward on this by now.
There just figuring out a way to tell us this hence the time... meanwhile we sit here thinking, they wouldn't do this would they?
i believe they will.
I just hope i'm wrong on the NGE mk 2.
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1167]
Originally by: Krell Kroenen
Originally by: Smagd
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Please note that I'll take no answer as a "Yes".
Thank you.
This is my question as well, I could careless about vanity items but if you start adding things that impact game play and little Jimmy can use his mommy's credit card to get an leg up then I am out of here with my 3 subs.
P.S. That jeans example... bad choice and way out of touch with what we are upset about. Also if those were just the opinions and ideas of high ranking employees that have a direct impact on the direction of the game why the hell are you surprised we took their comments to heart?
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Mr Morita
Project Nemesis WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1168]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
Seriously, if I wanted a monocle in a game i'd play monopoly in my mankini.
Okay, on a more serious note CCP, do not put microtransactions in this game that would alter sov or PVP. If you do that, you would be ****ing many loyal subscribers in the ass. What you should do if you wanted MT in Eve is to use it ina clothing or custom ship skin scenario. People who pay money to play this game should not have to pay EVEN MORE ****ING MONEY in order to access content that should be open to everyone. Yeah, people will spend money to buy a pimp monacle for their badass intergalactic space hustler. What most subscribers do not want to see is having to pay an extra $4 a month in order to anchor a POS in high sec.
tl;dr CCP, if you want Eve to go the way of the dinosaurs and SWG, put game-altering MT into the game. I can tell you for one, you will definately lose a loyal customer.
-Mo
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1169]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
If doing their jobs was to state their opinion, and their opinion is to trash the sandbox, and **** Eve with microtransactions for power items, then there's something else they don't deserve.
Our money.
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meslave
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1170]
same as every one else, BUT WHY AM I STILL LOOKING AT A ****ING DOOR I CARN'T OPEN
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grgjegb gergerg
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1171]
Maybe CCP should stop being "Fearless", and maybe show a bit of fear.
It's a useful evolutionary tool, it keeps organisms from doing things that are likely to get them killed.
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Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:53:00 -
[1172]
NOT GOOD ENOUGH
We want to know if CCP is planning on extending microtransactions to non-vanity items. We want a simple answer to this question, and instead we got an ambiguous answer which simultaneously attempts to cause players to assume an answer without binding CCP to any action.
This is deceitful and is the reason why I canceled my two accounts an hour ago. I will resubscribe if CCP will answer truthfully and honestly.
Honesty doesn't mean merely not telling lies. It means telling the WHOLE truth. If CCP is going to introduce non-vanity items for microtransactions: so be it. I will play so long as the game is fun to play.
But if CCP is going to hold their customers with such contempt as to try to hide the truth from their customers, then I can not possibly support a company company that behaves this way. Here's a clue for the clueless: I (and probably many other people who have unsubbed their accounts) feel like CCP is treating their customers as objects who do not deserve an honest answer.
And if the reason why you are being ambiguous is because you don't want to commit to any course of action, then tell us this! Tell us that you want to leave non-vanity items for microtransactions as an option in the future.
THE ONLY THING WE WANT FROM YOU, CCP, IS CLEAR AND HONEST COMMUNICATION
Well, we want a great game too. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:54:00 -
[1173]
This blog: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Seems to suggest the answer to the question:
"Will you *only* be selling vanity stuff in AUR"
.. is "Yes." ... Whats happened since then?
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:54:00 -
[1174]
If Zulu wont answer.. Will one of the other Devs? Someone please stand up... Give us an answer..
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VonKolroth
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:54:00 -
[1175]
I have come to literally DREAD updates at this point. Please stop, just stop. If the update after Incarna and DUST (I just know DUST is going to take a whole expansion cycle) isn't going back and fixing balancing and unfinished stuff, I'm a f***ing done. Seriously. A backlog is not enough, A team of people hacking them isn't fast enough. You could seriously fix any number of things in this game and be hailed as heros, have your playerbase speak of you like they used to and literally sell your game for you. I cannot in good conscience recommend to anyone that they start playing eve. By the time they get into the groove it isn't going to be the game I've been playing for so long.
f***. ~
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:54:00 -
[1176]
Originally by: Planetary Genocide I should mention that I've seen more convincing apologies from Bill Clinton.
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Sigurs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:54:00 -
[1177]
Edited by: Sigurs on 24/06/2011 22:54:45 New DevBlog! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
... nearly.
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Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1178]
Anyone else notice that the peak number has decreased by nearly 8000 in 3 days. Usually Friday is a big day in eve and players stay on later. Today, the peak number was garbage.
DD changes
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1179]
I thought about posting a reasonable, well-worded, and overall understanding post in this thread, because I'm trying to understand why CCP would choose the path it's going down. I'm not even referring to MT here. MT was the catalyst that sparked the debate, anger, and now protesting.
It's that CCP, you have been dishonest. Your devblog, CCP Zulu, is DISHONEST. Allow me to 'splain. This is from the Fearless:
"Not all virtual purchases WILL focus on customization: some WILL simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."
Emphasis mine. Note the use of the word "Will", not "might", not "possibly", and no use of "maybe" in that statement. This is a statement of fact. This is a statement of "This is the way it is going to be."
Now let's compare it to CCP Zulu's statement:
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views.
This is dishonest. Does the statement from Fearless, which I posted above, read to you as an "opinion" or "view"? Throw in the fact that you did NOT give an answer to the single question that is on every protester's mind and fingertips:
WILL MT MOVE BEYOND VANITY ITEMS?
I'm now running on PLEX, and originally thought I'd stick around (I took a hiatus and got a new computer) since Incarna looked so cool. Following this and the subsequent DISHONESTY coming from CCP in the name of "Oh f*ck, they found out, let's just keep pretending that we didn't hear the question", I will not be resubbing. I've been in Eve for over 5 years, and never before have I been so disgusted.
You've taken something I loved, something that helped me escape from the world, something where I made friends, took part in epic fleet fails, spent countless hours grinding, etc, and you turned it into something with which to sodomize me. You're pulling a George Lucas. You get all excited about a new shiny thing with which to make more money, and you shove it up our asses without any lube, telling us "Oh no, it's not even an inch around!" when it's the size of a goddamned elephant's ****.
What the hell happened to you guys? Are you hard up for cash? Need more money to develop the Twilight MMO and Dust 514? You can tell us, we're your players. Many of us have been with you for years. You're just not being honest with us, and it's ****ing us off.
Regardless, I'm done. I'll continue to be angry and post bitterly until my PLEX runs out, but that's just the kind of bitter person I am.
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Futile Rhetoric
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1180]
Perhaps this has been posted before; I'm not going to read through a 44-page thread that's growing faster than I can read it.
I am now convinced that this whole situation is one of two things.
Either it is a brilliant form of performance art, at its heart a statement about modern-day consumerism run amok, or someone hates working at CCP so much that he is trying to destroy it from the inside.
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Velcet NiteDragon
Minmatar Hayes Interplanetary
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1181]
What a muppet.
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electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1182]
I want to hear from Hilmar. ― Vexo M > He turned the drives up to 11 |
Sultran
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1183]
I see, so you actually dont care what we think. We all thought that this Micro transaction stuff would come in to expand the Game, paying a little extra for fun stuff nobody actually needs, and with this same impression most of us thought we would be able to produce some of this stuff later-on, since its all about in-game economy in Eve, well seems that time is over.
And this stupid expensive clothes thingy you keep talking about, are you sure you still know that you cant put on virtual goods in RL whatever they cost, or have you totally lost you connection to the real world?
That any virtual Good is more costly then a T2 fitted Battleship, just tells me that this Games isn't considered to be about Spaceships anymore.
CCP wants to make a Virtual Good store with a Spaceship Minigame in it, to get as much money out of "your" Spacebook community as you can.
Well i have already stoped playing, if this course isn't revoked im done with this Game.
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Mukutep
Assero Argentum
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1184]
I don't understand why some people are cancelling their subscriptions on something that might happen. As of right now there are no MT's beyond vanity when I look. CCP hasn't said there's going to be. Agreed, they haven't denied it, but lack of denial doesn't mean certainty. Seems to me like people (as usual) have overreacted.
If MT's that are more than just vanity actually show up in game, I'll be first in line to leave. But leaving over an un-verified assumption of a possibility seems silly.
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Plotos
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1185]
Straight to my point:
1- Fearless
Internal discussion is important. What people is really p*ssed of about is that you talk about selling non-vanity stuff in NEX, and that's unacceptable. I'm not even saying that you planned or intend to do so. But you talked, you thought about it as a real possibility. And that will put fear in our hardcore hearts, because you will simply bypass the skill and dedication of a player if he\she has the money. And we did not spend years of game to get this now. We want a clear declaration and garantee that you will not do it EVER. If you can prove to us that the idea of non-vanity MT is completely off the table you will get approval back from ~50% of the players. The other half will be a bit more complicated, but solving this issue will help a lot already.
2- NEX prices.
You overstepped in the inicial prices. There's a say around that translated sounds like: "The first impression is the one that sticks." and should be self explanatory. Our first impression with the prices is not good, and that will stick for a long time and it's a mistake that will never go away, even with cheaper stuff from now on. Your inicial pricing policy burned in our brains and most of us are not happy. I understand that you did price for collectables. Mind you, I have a Eve lighter and don't even smoke! And I got it because I actuallt think the game is awesome and wanted something real that remembered me of it. But I have dozens of cheaper options. Besides you never sent me a e-mail telling "Look! We sell this awesome lighter and ...". Besides I'm talking about a physical item. That usually has a value for existing. Even without brand it has some value. Brands can add value, but can't be all the value of the item. That's what you are doing with those NEX itens. The brand is all the value and there's no value imbued to the item, because it does not exist IRL. Besides there's no competition. The market is only yours, so we have to swallow the price you say or do not get it? That's quite unfair too, mainly because you did not say to any players about those prices, and as far as I'm aware people inside CCP had no idea to. Informing people and making then discuss is not the whole point of having a internal newsletter? Big fail about that.
I hope my point is understandable and I, like all players, just want to be sure that Eve will still be the game we love after this. For now the future does not look bright.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1186]
Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 24/06/2011 22:57:26
Hmm while I am absolutely certain there's been reply after reply of not good enough I would like to add a few points...
First, Zulu is right about MT, I've even read stuff from Blizz about their toying with the idea of a cash shop in lieu of a subscription, so don't get your panties all in a wad, Blizzard has billions in assets, and even they are considering whether it is best in the longrun to switch to MT, even tho they decided against it, obviously. That memo does not mean CCP is going this route, it just means they have brave souls within the company willing to play the Devil's Advocate and argue for or against MT and many other things.
Second... the expansion really was smooth, sure maybe it's because there were not vast all encompassing changes made to the mechanics of the game (outside a station) but for the most part, it came and went with little to no real problems (besides the fried computers, but that has happened with each major graphics update CCP has ever done, I remember the outrage when they removed the Classic client, it was just as bad).
Third, give up the ghost already, you should have seen the outcry over delay upon delay for Ambulation in the past three years, CCP is wrong they said, CCP is evil, they're toying with us, leading us on, Ambulation will never come out, Ambulation is the Duke Nukem of EVE, and etc. and etc.
Now they finally release the framework for it, and it's a sea of clamor that there's not enough, well... get over it, CCP does not have, never did have, and never WILL have unlimited resources to make this game flawless, and they never needed that until the subscriber base began churning out new player after player with the Warcraft mentality, instant gratification, burn through content in weeks and clamor for more, never satisfied no matter the highs or lows of the development in the game, and the older players started moving on in ever increasing numbers.
EVE was never perfect, will never BE perfect, and never HAS been perfect, but at one time, it's players were, for all their good and bad, honorable or unscrupulous, greedy or generous, the subscriber base a few years ago was the most magnificent group of bastards you've ever seen in an MMO.
Now? Look at yourselves, a sorry lot of content junkies and nonsensical bumblers, what became of the greatest MMO community of the new century?
CCP makes mistakes, sure, a LOT of mistakes, but it was always that way, your predecessors only left because people like YOU began to grossly outnumber them, not because the game was lacking. Players decided to scrap ransoms, players decided to take FULL advantage of the failure of the Dominion mechanic, players decided to begin botting in droves to combat apathy amongst 0.0 dwellers that were dwindling interest and initiative. Players.
Fry me if you will, but I remember the time a few years back, when the old guard were all still here, players truly policing other players, and they would not have stood for your ****.
I may be just as unhappy with all the unfulfilled dreams and promises that CCP has made to us over the short three and a half years I myself have been around, but it was never a problem until the players made it a problem. We never needed perfection to make EVE perfect, sometimes the best thing in the world is the girl next door, sure she's not perfect, but she's been there for you all along.
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Kara Kaprica
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:55:00 -
[1187]
Edited by: Kara Kaprica on 24/06/2011 22:56:41 Ok, so, basically, you dont care people are bawking at the price, and you dont care that your newsletter upset your playerbase and you have the downright CHEEK, to have a go at your playerbase because we dont like soemthings that certain people said?
You Arrogant Shortsighted Individual.
You have 1 source of income in the MMO world. Your not looking after it right.
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yamakotai
Forced aggressions Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:56:00 -
[1188]
This is the most unprofessional thing i have ever seen how could you more or less tell us to **** off after 200 pages non with counting other threads.
Goodbye Eve
I will miss what you once were and could have been
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Ronin Silfar
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:56:00 -
[1189]
Originally by: Micro Tranactions Rock Ok, with al this negative postings, i would like to post something positive about Micro Transactions.
I think the Micro Transactions is a really good thing, ofcourse i do not care about the new 3d engine or the clothing! I do feel badly for people with older computers who now can't run multiple clients!
But for the store, you don't have to buy clothing, i don't know why i would ever buy clothing in a spaceship game. But i guess we have a girl playerbase who like some sims elements in the game.
But to the point, I really hope one day we will be able buy skill points (or items that will convert into skill points) in the Micro Transaction store.
I know a lot of players object to it, saying i played 8 years and now have 150m skillpoints. -And do not want newer players to be able to get there fast.- But why not? If a new player spends as much money on the game in 1 month as you did in 8 years? It is the choice of the new player who is buying the skill points. It is his money which he spends on a hobby!
And if CCP makes more money they might even hire some people to fix-up new space ships like tech III frigs and battleships. (and fix posses and some other bugs that has been around for a few years)
Well this is solely my opinion, I hope I offended nobody. Lets all be friends again and shoot each other spaceship instead of spending so much time on the forums.
Wow, you totally had me goin' there for a bit. I didn't realize you were trolling until I saw the character name. Good job man. I've not been trolled so hard in years. Free Helicity Free Liang Nuren |
Biomass MeNOW
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:56:00 -
[1190]
Originally by: Evalon Fury If Zulu wont answer.. Will one of the other Devs? Someone please stand up... Give us an answer..
They won't, of course, because in 6 months when they introduce those new ships that were chosen as a part of the 'New Ships for Eve' contest they'll be NEX content only and be absolute Win Buttons, and if they say now 'no super elite stuff in NEX P2W store' it'll be quoted endlessly in another ragenaught like this one.
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Kumq uat
Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:56:00 -
[1191]
This is what we waited for? I could have written that piece of garbage in 2 minutes. You explained NOTHING!
My cancellation is still in effect CCP. --------------------------------------- www.eve-pirate.com original author |
Chidori kun
Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:57:00 -
[1192]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 24/06/2011 22:18:19 I am deeply disheartened by this devblog.
So basically they ****ing on the users and CMS ... pretty clear picture.
I have heard of people shooting them self in the foot... But aiming and pulling the trigger even....
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Shinzann
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:57:00 -
[1193]
What I read, "Blah, blah, blah. You shouldn't be mean to people. Blah, blah, blah Half-assed justication of NEX prices, blah, blah, blah."
What I didn't see: "We will NEVER add non-vanity items to NEX."
Also, the smug attitude is insulting and not very conducive at persruading me to buyiing a PLEX next month. === Q u o t e: If the servers aren't up, its not a hotfix. |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:57:00 -
[1194]
Originally by: Alpheias
I wet myself a little watching this!
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Kittel
Caldari Quiet.Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:57:00 -
[1195]
I actually hope CCP's decisions on this will solve the problem of me unsubscribing, if they fall, i don't have to do anything, I just hope they let us know in advance before I wake up one morning to log in and the server/website is permanently offline. I hate to waste 3-6mo+ on a game that is shutting down, especially from their own greedy maneuvering!
Comparing RL cloths to something virtual that has no RL value (I cant sell my isk or anything form the game for RL money) has to be the most ignorant response I have ever seen from a game company. With RL jeans they don't simply disappear if I go bankrupt, such as virtual items if EVE shuts down.
When did CCP stop caring or lose the passion of the 'game' and start thinking of only $$$'s, It is a sad when this happens to companies, game companies especially.
3 accounts...makes me sad not to feel the love or see the passion!
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Melody Xiasia
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:58:00 -
[1196]
So what the Dev blog is really saying is, "Dont blame the authors of 'Is Greed Bad?' because it's a company thing. And, Bite me, we're doing it anyways."
Look, you Pee'd in our cereal, dont whine when we pee back in your oatmeal.
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Deliceous
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:58:00 -
[1197]
2007 or earlier Game time codes were introduced to fight real money trading. Since that Time I have been able to advantage over Joe who grinds isk by selling time codes. I have purchase several ships and items this way to keep the game fun for me. As long as CCP still has the plex equation in the mix, any player, with in game isk or real money dollars will be able to purchase any item.
Ie Buy Time code, Make Plex, sell plex, buy Booster off market. Bing! I have purchased an advantage.
Whether Aurum is for Vanity or game advantage really has no meaning as of the 2007.
Sadly I see this argument commencing 4 years to late.
I say let CCP do this Aurum Thing, as it seems more of an isk control sink than anything else.
As long as Plex is used as the convertable item no player can simply buy an advantage over another since 2007 or earlier.
I am going to be interested to see what these fashionable items will be going for as players buy these and then liquidate so they can buy more current fashionable items. Use Clothing stores are going to be the bomb!!
PS. I want to color my ship. I want to pimp my ride. Midnight Roruqal, Red Pinstrip, Red neon glow accenting in spots... Oh how sweet it would be.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot WAS THAT ALL WE F***ING GET!!!!!!!! You sir have just proved yourself be more stupid, ignorant and ill-informed as George W Bush.
this can't be quoted enough
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Nemo deBlanc
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1199]
Pure and utter ****. I can't even begin to express how dissapointed I am in CCP as a company, as well as the people it employs. As others have said, I feel downright insulted. I finished reading this blog, then canceled my account immediately afterwards. I'll use the remaining subscription time (till July 4th) to try and encourage others within the game to quit. Once that runs out, I'll write scathing reviews of Eve Online on a variety of games websites.
Unless of course I see some real answers. Unfortunately, my hopes aren't too high. I really can't decide if I'm angry or sad right now. Probably prodigious amounts of both.
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Ghard Eleran
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1200]
what did i just read was that really your response? do you hate your customers? do you hate me? why oh why would you say such things?
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1201]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 24/06/2011 23:00:18
Originally by: Evalon Fury If Zulu wont answer.. Will one of the other Devs? Someone please stand up... Give us an answer..
Think you'll find you had your answer. The silence and that def blog says it all really.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1202]
I thought it was just politicians that could talk for as long as they like without really saying anything. _________________________________
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Crunchmeister
Gallente Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1203]
You know, this whole MT scheme stinks of Sony.
I'm wondering is Sony have somehow become a major stakeholder in CCP and are now calling shot. I wonder how one could find something like that out.
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Caldari SpyGlass
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1204]
Edited by: Caldari SpyGlass on 24/06/2011 23:00:10
Originally by: Mukutep I don't understand why some people are cancelling their subscriptions on something that might happen.
They're doing it show CCP what they stand to loose if they go ahead with it, we can just resub if things go fine.. but for now everyone has un-subbed because this **** isn't on and until its sorted out none of us are coming back.
Vote with your sub i'm afraid is all we can do.
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Ytrea
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1205]
I, like many others, cancelled my subscription after reading that internal newsletter.
I, like many others, cancelled my hope after reading the dev-blog.
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Lemming Lass
Minmatar Lemmings Online
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:59:00 -
[1206]
I'm not sure how many billionaires play video games, but probably quite a few. All you need is a few who are willing to buy some $100,000,000 vanity items each year and voila...you have a business model.
And no server lag anymore! Genius!
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Daekov
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:00:00 -
[1207]
Originally by: Lilliana Stelles I hate to say this, having sided with CCP almost 100% so far on this controversy.
Here's two points of feedback that I advise you take very carefully.
I shop at Nordstrom's, Neiman Marcus, and other high-end shops in America. I've paid $200 for an ordinary enough shirt before. But generally speaking, there are other options available. And the better looking clothing is of much higher quality. Generally, what costs more, lasts longer. I've had walmart pants, they tear up, fade, and look bad. You need to reflect this in game. If there's a $60 product, there also needs to be a $6 comparable product. And believe me, you'll sell more of them. Not everyone is the elite, but everyone deserves the right to wear clothes. If I want to stand out, I don't have to wear haute-couture. And if I do wear haute-couture, it should look extremely different from what you normally see in the streets. An ordinary virtual skirt shouldn't be $25 when it's the only skirt available. That's called monopolizing. Rather, if you have a normal skirt for $3, and a fancy skirt for $70, people will understand. But you don't have anything to compare to yet. For introductory prices, these are simply too high.
The most important advice you can take is that you should listen to your customers when it comes to pricing. If you want money (which you do, according to your newsletter), you have to be competitive. Your prices need to be on-par with those in other MMOs for similar quality products. If they aren't, no one is going to buy them. I'm all for vanity items. I have income and I want to buy them. You're not going to get my money until you lower the prices, and many other players feel the same way I do.
It's not appropriate for you to complain about a ****storm that resulted from your own actions. Keep better control of your newsletters, be more careful what you write, even internally, and if you do screw up, apologize for it. Don't ask people not to rage at you, that will only make it worse. At least let people vent on the forums. Things will blow over if you leave them alone. Most people are raging at the possibility of microtransactions breaking gameplay. This hasn't happened yet, so just let them debate it, listen to them, and then come to a decision. Publish this decision, and stick with it. That's the only way to calm players down.
+1. Total sense.
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Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:00:00 -
[1208]
Jesus, zulu way to not answer the elephant in the room.
Also, are you really that dense? If I were to buy a pair of $1000 pants it is because I want some shallow gold digging bimbo to think I am rich and sleep with me.
What do your $50 dollar digital pants get me? Some cyber sex with a guy named Phil pretending to be the voluptuous female pirate Sexay Pants in her CCP lingerie(only $220!).
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Sigurs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:00:00 -
[1209]
Originally by: Melody Xiasia So what the Dev blog is really saying is, "Dont blame the authors of 'Is Greed Bad?' because it's a company thing. And, Bite me, we're doing it anyways."
Look, you Pee'd in our cereal, dont whine when we pee back in your oatmeal.
Actually they aren't telling us ANYTHING AT ALL.
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CERBERUS III
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:00:00 -
[1210]
Edited by: CERBERUS III on 24/06/2011 23:00:39 let me give you 2 pieces of senior management advice.
1. Act professional don't attack your customers they leave faster and take more people with them, don't use words like '**** storm' in an offical memo/blog.
2. Perception is Reality
I'm glad i'm not on your board.
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Tamahra
Gallente Apina. United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:00:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: Sigurs Edited by: Sigurs on 24/06/2011 22:54:45 New DevBlog! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
... nearly.
i laughed and cried a the same time...
CCP:
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cytex malrone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:01:00 -
[1212]
Im a new player I came here because of incarna because of internet spaceships after reading zed caynes blog and thought it was a cool game.
My Impressions Is this really how you treat your customers ccp .....
The newsletter it was discussing the issue of MT fair enough why were you discussing it ?? You told the player base that you were not going to introduce play to win fullstop you are caught out in a lie that dev blog basically says that you don't care what your player base thinks your going to go ruin eve anyway. Well if that is the way you want it fine i simply wont pay you my 1 month account has been canceled . i have 18 days left and that is as long as im giving this game .
Charging people like zed 99 bucks to get new people like me into this game is plain wrong no matter which way you cut it .
Personally i dont care about vanity items I dont care about dust or wod i want to play eve that is what i was intending to play but basically im not investing any more time into this game if you are going to make me pay to be competitive and to be honest that what this dev blog said you havent denied it so it must be true .
48 hours to be told "stfu people it is our game" I dont think any other game treated there customer base like this and was around a year later i hope dust can survive without eve and i hope wod is nearly finished because otherwise you are all out of a job.
Cya eve it been a fun 1 month but I think ill go spend my time and money on something else.
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:01:00 -
[1213]
Okay. I think what they are saying with this dev blog is 'yes we are going to sell ingame items that greatly unbalance the game, but they will be so expensive only the 3 richest moon barons will be able to afford them.' Just like there'd only be 2 or 3 titans.
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Azureusi
Cargo Container Rotation Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:02:00 -
[1214]
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Quote: but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop.
are you serious?
Lets talk a bit more eve/RL:
RL 1 pair of jeans = 50$ 1 pair of designer jeans = 1000$
For thousand bucks i could also buy a new PC, a small used Car or a few other things.
EVE 1 pair of designer jeans = ~230m ISK (i read that somewhere) 1 frigate sized spaceship = 200k ISK 1 cruizer sized spaceship = 4m ISK 1 bc sized spaceship = 20-30m ISK 1 battleship sized spaceship = 50-100m ISK
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:02:00 -
[1215]
Edited by: diaufop on 24/06/2011 23:02:43
Originally by: Azran Zala
Jumpgate EVEolution is out soon :P
I'm not sure whether you're trying to be funny or not.....
Just in case you don't know: Jumpgate Evo got cancelled. Months ago. Development halted, Devs sacked, websites pulled.
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:02:00 -
[1216]
Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 24/06/2011 23:07:45
Just an FYI. Only got a few folks in corp chat now (6) and three will leave if MT is introduced for game affecting items.
Edit
Our internal forum thread on this is now several pages. Don't think it is just people posting here that are upset.
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Bodega Cat
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:02:00 -
[1217]
Not for nothin, but if the crap thats up now represents the high end 1000$ designer jeans, then colour me stupid.
That stuff is ugly, dull, and plain looking. It's simply not cool looking and doesn't even appeal to the stylistically inclined if you ask me. Ugly ugly ugly, and you can't even show it to people right now anyway. What's the point?
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:02:00 -
[1218]
Originally by: Hildulfr Incarna hasn't done anything to break the game for me
Incursions + Incarna is mighty close to breaking the game for me. lag through the roof in Incursions was a big enough pain. the new "character creation" system that is massively slow at BEST is bloody irritating, and the resulting lag from overfancy portrait loading times SUCKS. The removal of "don't have to load portraits all the time" option sucked even HARDER.
Then Incarna. Lag through the roof EVEN MORE on gate jumps, dock and undock lag MASSIVELY INCREASED, lag in GENERAL in station increased a ton, even with the Incarna stuff turned OFF. *3* client updates in 2 days that have NOT EVEN STARTED to address these issues.
Then the while MT mess, THIS crap so-called response to the various issues raised THAT DID NOT ADDRESS ANY MAJOR ISSUE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, and also made it quite clear that CCP does not consider Incarna to HAVE issues .... "smooth" my ASS .... and then they wonder why folks are upset at them.
I'm starting to be reminded strongly of Microsoft in the days immediately following the release of MS-DOS 4.0 - and Bill Gates himself blowing me off shortly after when I brought up the "smartdrive debacle" at a presentation he was making to the Indianapolis Computer Society.
What was his response? He blew me off at first, then when I REFUSED to be blown off he handed me off to a "software engineer" who flat out refused to answer my questions (apparently had no clue why I was even bothered enough TO ask the questions) - IN PUBLIC IN FRONT OF A LARGE GROUP. Yeah, showed how much they CARE about their customer base - and THIS whole mess is starting to have a familier stench.....
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HyperZerg
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:02:00 -
[1219]
Btw, Vanity-items affect gameplay. My character looks different -> changed gameplay.
You had a chance to get your hybrid-mt-idea throught. But you failed it with that blog.
Last chance: removte MT @ all and don't think about it again in the next 2-3 years. You don't think so ? The subscriber-drop and negative-press may show it to you.
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Howard Atkins
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:03:00 -
[1220]
I'am gamer press. Be sure this will be taken care of.
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:04:00 -
[1221]
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Sigurs Edited by: Sigurs on 24/06/2011 22:54:45 New DevBlog! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
... nearly.
i laughed and cried a the same time...
LOL! This is CCP...
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:04:00 -
[1222]
What is this talk of Liang being banned?
Oh HELL no they didn't!
**** just got real!
Patri
I'll Roshambo You For That Titan! |
Republica Winder
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:04:00 -
[1223]
An ominous warning to CCP, and no, this isn't off topic.
Star Wars Galaxies is closing 12/15. http://www.1up.com/news/original-star-wars-mmo-shutting-down-december
THAT is what going against your customers wishes gets you.
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:05:00 -
[1224]
@ CCP.
You guys keep going from bad to worse. and beyond. Instead of that PR guy calming us down, he's(tho maybe unintentionally) lit an even greater fire. And about CCP Zulu's blog...wow...that level of arrogance, perfidy and blatant condescending tones, I have not yet witnessed.
CCP. Your PR sucks. Your customer relation SUCKS. Your vision of game, FING SUCKS. And I am talking about EVE online. For FPS, I have COD4MW and others. The **** you think we are playing this game for? Sunglasses? Ocular implants? Get your **** straight.
Pathetic beyond belief. PLAYERBASE REACTION TO INCARNA |
Manssell
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:05:00 -
[1225]
Yep I'm going do it. At this point I'm mad and without shame and it's worth a try.
I what to make clear that I in no way want or will play a MT game. And frankly after the Dev blogà it looks like it's coming no matter what. Others have stated most of my reasons why much better than I could on theà well The Thread. But it really comes down to, I play video games to escape RL. I already live in a society that favors the wealthy and is run by people with rich person entitlement attitudes. I do not want my RL social darwinistic hell to follow me into my online space ship social darwinist hell. Monopoly is a game about greed, selfishness and ruthlessness, so is EVE. But both are fun since the players are all on the same field in the game (mostly). Adding MT to EVE is like letting players in monopoly buy extra board moves with RL cash. Whats the point of the "game" then? So I'm out.
But! I am not leaving until the day those changes are put in game. I'm only been playing a year and a half, and six months of that where just flying around going "ohhhh pretty". So I'm not to "bitter vet" status yet, Hell in eve time I'm still a noob. But I love this game. It has become a part of my life practicallyà no not practically, it is. I feel cheated by CCP in not letting me get to experience this for a longer time of my life. This feels like my parents are dragging me home with them on labor day weekend, just when I found the girl at the beach that likes me. So I'm milking it up to the last non-MT moment.
So yea, I'm asking for your stuff. Not original I know, but sincere, and at least more than five words. I'm not real good yet, and I want to spend my last few weeks just blowing stuff up. I don't want to grind one more damn mission to replace my blown up ship while my time in EVE is short. I don't want to "error on the side of caution" when picking a fight in anything more expensive than a frig or curser. No more nights of thinking "can I really afford to try and take that?" I just want to get in the damn ship with no care for it's ISK and attack someone not expecting it. So if you want to contribute to a P'd-off ex-carberaish pilot who just wants to blow everything up his last few weeks in game, then yea, I'll take you stuff.
Or donate them to PLEX for good, that's probably a better idea.
Anyway this mess just depresses me. I'm off to the pub for pints, and when I stubble back I'm getting some ships blown up.
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Blood Fart
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:05:00 -
[1226]
Before you wrote that I thought the wheels probably fell off over there....now I'm 100% sure.
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Sannye
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:05:00 -
[1227]
What a load of empty air, nothing was covered by the blog.
So, real life money applyes because its CLOTHES... right, what about holoreels, should they be 20 Ç a piece, since.. that's the going rate for DVD's?
How about spaceships, ask NASA what a shuttle would be, translate it to ISK, and EVE dont have enough ISK to buy ONE real shuttle.
It's NOT good enough, and I dont buy your "we're going to act like greedy monkeys in this issue of fearless, so dont blame our designers for "acting"
You've had 4 days to make up this lie, you could actually have made a better one.
But on the other hand, your blog just confirms how far CCP has gone from their player base. It didnt show any vision or future that i wish to be a part of. As i posted in a former post, my (last) account runs out tomorrow, and this blog made me damn sure, i'll not resub at all. Thanks - i'll have plenty of time to exel in other games, now that EVE takes up none of my time.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:06:00 -
[1228]
Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 24/06/2011 23:09:38
Originally by: Mukutep I don't understand why some people are cancelling their subscriptions on something that might happen. As of right now there are no MT's beyond vanity when I look. CCP hasn't said there's going to be. Agreed, they haven't denied it, but lack of denial doesn't mean certainty. Seems to me like people (as usual) have overreacted.
If MT's that are more than just vanity actually show up in game, I'll be first in line to leave. But leaving over an un-verified assumption of a possibility seems silly.
You are exaclty the person that their refusal to answer that question is aimed at. If they don't deny it they are not lying. At this point in the forum rage the lack of a denial, especially in this dev blog is a 100% yes, non vanity items are on their way. This is a strategy that has been planned for quite some time. A risk analysis has been conducted. Contingency is in place for the inevitable loss of subs. However I think it happened a little earlier than expected.
The only options left are.
1) Change the long planned strategy - can't be done because they have used this strategy to acquire resources & investment.
2) Come clean now - they could do that but they would instantly lose a lot of subs, more than planned and earlier than expected.
3) Lie now & implement later. They lose 100% goodwill and get no carry over into dust or WOD.
4) String the player base along, accept the early losses and milk the hopeless romantics prepared to keep paying them until the knife is buried in their chests.
You're only fooling yourself if you hang around.
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Nika Maskirovka
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:06:00 -
[1229]
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.
Even clothes on Stardoll, which by the way is the biggest online dress-up site in the world, don't cost that much.
Quote: Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand?
Ok: Yes and yes. That's why I prefer spending my well-earned money on those clothes rather than digital versions. I spend a lot of money on microtransactions in other games (I'm for example an avid Neopets and Sims fan) but I've never seen prices like this.
Quote: Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
In Eve, noone but me can see my overpriced spaceship clothes.
Quote: You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes.
I won't. But that's your problem rather than ours.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Please address our concern about microtransactions and paying real money for gameplay/functionality. That's our big issue.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:06:00 -
[1230]
Originally by: Crunchmeister You know, this whole MT scheme stinks of Sony.
I'm wondering is Sony have somehow become a major stakeholder in CCP and are now calling shot. I wonder how one could find something like that out.
Are you talking SWG:NGE or more recent things like the "warrior nerf and resulting complete revamp to fix a simple little issue that just changing the DI and DB entries in the mob damage tables would fix easier"?
I think it's more likely that CCP has hired one or more game designers that worked for SoE, or they're BOTH hiring marketing managers from Mickey$loth.
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Nedak Pather
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:06:00 -
[1231]
PLEASE ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. PLEASE
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Lavraen
Animus Furandi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:07:00 -
[1232]
"Dear Star Wars GalaxiesÖ Community Member,
We write to you today to inform you that on December 15, 2011, Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) and LucasArts will end all services (MMO and Trading Card Game) for Star Wars Galaxies (SWG). The shutdown of SWG is a very difficult decision, but SOE and LucasArts have mutually agreed that the end of 2011 is the appropriate time to end the game."
Listen to your customers or suffer the same fate CCP!
The NGE killed SWG.
These "proposals" if they ever go live, WILL kill Eve.
It really is that simple.
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Max Kolonko
Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:07:00 -
[1233]
waving hand Jedi style: "Those are not the answers You are looking for" Max Kolonko |
Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:07:00 -
[1234]
Edited by: Dograzor on 24/06/2011 23:08:07
I posted a sincere view of my opinions somewhere around page 80 of the old thread... I won't type it again, here is the link if you want to read it.
Now with you releasing a dev blog about the issues of the last 48h, I found it very remarkable that you ignored the main burning question around which all the rage evolves: Will aurum be used for non vanity items?
If you have read the feedback in the thread from CCP Pann you can see this question has been asked over 3000 times. So please, stop commenting on the minor issues we can live with & be straight with us.
Anyways, all I can do at this point is fly one of my characters to Jita & join the protest there. I'm just so tired of being spoonfed the same no content apologies.. bah.
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JTK Fotheringham
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:07:00 -
[1235]
Originally by: cytex malrone Im a new player I came here because of incarna because of internet spaceships after reading zed caynes blog and thought it was a cool game.
My Impressions Is this really how you treat your customers ccp .....
The newsletter it was discussing the issue of MT fair enough why were you discussing it ?? You told the player base that you were not going to introduce play to win fullstop you are caught out in a lie that dev blog basically says that you don't care what your player base thinks your going to go ruin eve anyway. Well if that is the way you want it fine i simply wont pay you my 1 month account has been canceled . i have 18 days left and that is as long as im giving this game .
Charging people like zed 99 bucks to get new people like me into this game is plain wrong no matter which way you cut it .
Personally i dont care about vanity items I dont care about dust or wod i want to play eve that is what i was intending to play but basically im not investing any more time into this game if you are going to make me pay to be competitive and to be honest that what this dev blog said you havent denied it so it must be true .
48 hours to be told "stfu people it is our game" I dont think any other game treated there customer base like this and was around a year later i hope dust can survive without eve and i hope wod is nearly finished because otherwise you are all out of a job.
Cya eve it been a fun 1 month but I think ill go spend my time and money on something else.
+1 if you are a noob. This is exactly why vets are leaving. www.dashavatara.comnull |
cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:08:00 -
[1236]
looks like zulu forgot his keynote speech video 1
the points of the key notes
1 - csm perspective and feedback helped alot - now it counts for jack **** and that's a shame we have and have had some very hard working player on the csm panel but ccp care not for it anymore they have there deal with sony.
2 - problem with messaging and miscommunication - the cycle continues this is down to ccp not wanting to reply to our question and sticking its head in the sand.
3 - lank of communication - this is the biggest problem ccp has and I think its down to the fact that as a company ccp doesn't care about it player base, you know the guy that fund everything from dust to wod to eve its self
4 - we've improved - going to use zulu own words here from A.T. IX we are calling this bull**** if anything you have taken a step back no make that a leap
5 - but we can always do better I would love if you did, just once answer the question we have non vanity item yes or no for aurum?
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FawKa
Gallente x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:08:00 -
[1237]
So your best point came down to (and I qoute): "... but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life."
You sir, equals joke.
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:08:00 -
[1238]
Originally by: Mukutep I don't understand why some people are cancelling their subscriptions on something that might happen. As of right now there are no MT's beyond vanity when I look. CCP hasn't said there's going to be. Agreed, they haven't denied it, but lack of denial doesn't mean certainty. Seems to me like people (as usual) have overreacted.
If MT's that are more than just vanity actually show up in game, I'll be first in line to leave. But leaving over an un-verified assumption of a possibility seems silly.
From the Fearless:
"Not all virtual purchases WILL focus on customization: some WILL simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."
This is why. Zulu has come out and said "Oh it's just opinions!", but does that read as an opinion? It's a statement of what is GOING TO HAPPEN. The words "Might", "Maybe", and "Possibly" were not used. Let's say that you dislike someone, and you say "I hope a goat ****s you in your sleep."
That's quite a bit different from "I WILL MAKE SURE A GOAT ****S YOU IN YOUR SLEEP" which implies you're training at least one goat to perform that task.
All we got from Zulu was a bunch of fluff that didn't answer anything and only addressed a concern held by a tiny minority: The price of NeX items, while it didn't address the overall question of MT for game-changers. This tells me that they're simply not going to say anything, to pretend that we didn't ask the question, so they can introduce it later after all the angry people have either left or accepted the NeX system.
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WCPistolPete
Gallente MacroIntel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:08:00 -
[1239]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
Sorry, doesn't do a thing for me.
When players who have been around literally for years, many from the beta-testing stage, up and leave, you have a serious problem. And it's not within the playerbase.
Originally by: CCP Zulu In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions...
Since when? What dope is Zulu smoking? It should be banned as it causes quite the hallucination. CarbonUI broke the game for many, this breaks it for many more. I used to easily run three clients on my laptop which was designed for hardcore gaming. ONE client under CQ literally causes it to heat up enough that I can't touch the keyboard. Framerate drops by a factor of ten, from 250 FPS to 25 FPS while simply standing still in CQ. No other game or benchmark program even comes close to the amount of CPU and GPU load EVE Online now exerts on my setup. This is primarily my work computer so I will not take chances on losing it to bad coding.
Internal memos: Yep, not to be leaked as there's always something that someone won't like about it. In this case it's 50,000 someones, your current playerbase. I guess it's easier to kick everyone out of the sandbox and start anew after changing the rules midstream. 50,000 active players means a lot of cornflakes to pee in BTW.
Monocles/clothing prices: Not an issue. Never was. Won't be buying any. Only those with deep pockets IRL will go for the bling. The problem with this is that it does open a can of worms and we can see the future of pay to win killing the current playerbase who have invested YEARS into the game to have it swept away in one simple expansion.
The Senior Producer chiding us for having opinions and calling out 'CCP the greedy' when the rules change overnight: Originally by: CCP Zulu Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and s.h.i.t.storm being pointed at them.
True fail and the nail in CCP's coffin. First off for the use of profanity on a public forum. If he can't see that most of the screaming is toward 'CCP the greedy' as a company then maybe he needs to take a walk outside while you quickly change the locks on the door. He should take all like-minded employees with him. It's the EVE Community as a whole that made EVE what it was two weeks ago. It's greed that has brought it down so low that it may never recover.
Licensing fees for third-party apps? WHY? Counterproductive. Unless you EXPECT them to turn into paid apps.
I too worked in a company where some individual members cared what happened. The supervisors really didn't give a rat's ass. They still don't. I quit a year and a half ago and have been running my own company ever since. My old one? It's always in the news for some new "problem" that's developed or that's been uncovered. 99.9% of their problems were and still are from poor, greed-tainted supervision. Me? I make enough to get by. I'm happy and so is my customer base. EVE was a nice distraction but now it's a chore, threatens my laptop with destruction and is no longer headed down the path which was forged for it back in the early days. It's hit a tangent and to have the Senior Producer address us like street scum is unacceptable. I'll miss the friends and enemies I made in the game but that's life.
Let me translate this for you: -1 pending subscription, -2 PLEX accounts, -1 yearly subscription. I wish everyone well in whatever job they may find after this debacle. And if there is no job to be found, maybe they shouldn't have been at CCP in the first place. JMHO.
BTW, the blog really addresses nothing. Waste of disk space and bandwidth. Again JMHO. I don't think even a Polaris Damage Control Unit is going to help this time.
-- {WC}PistolPete "...going to take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up." Homer Simpson
Unsubscribed until further notice. Lurking because no one can turn away from a train wreck. |
Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:09:00 -
[1240]
Edited by: Ravcharas on 24/06/2011 23:11:14 This devblog is some of the most disconnected and arrogant ********** I've ever read.
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Quark Zulu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:09:00 -
[1241]
All right then. I think you brought out the blogs out in the wrong order. The blog stating that capsuleres will never be able to buy an in game advantage regarding flying spaceships through the Nex probably should have been out first. I hope to see that blog real soon....
The pricing policy on the vanity items is a stroke of genious in my opinion. If a monocle did cost about a quarter of Plex or so we would see them everywhere. Pretty lame i think.
We all turn our heads when we see a multi billion faction battleship taking a tour of the local stellar neighbourhood. Some would probably check out who the pilot was and what corp and alliance the pilot is flying for.
The same thing could happen when a filthy rich pilot enters a seedy bar in Jita 4.4. A character customised with a bunch of vanity items would get noticed. Everybody would know that the guy is a rich bastardà.now he approaches me and asks if he could hire you to perform some ôspecial undercover servicesöà. for a fee of course. I look greedily at his monocle and I think that I better listen to his proposal, thinking that he looked me up because my rare Jove wristband attracted his attention.
The social gameplay possibilities are great and I think the idea is brilliant. Well done CCP
Cheers
Quark Zulu
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Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:10:00 -
[1242]
It's truly disappointing to see that the message just hasn't gotten through to CCP that we really don' give a rat's *ss about NEX prices. Yeah they are stupidly expensive but let the idiots who want to pay them do so. Comparing them to a RL pairifjeansisjust ludicrous.
The issue is MT changing pvp to pwt (pay to win). The spectre of the ability to buy yourself better standings or even advance your SP is just not acceptable to most of that have earned that. Earning things and making stuff is what MyEVE is all about. Take that away and you are messing w/ my favourite hobby.
I, and apparently many others, don't want that EVE. Just the fact that you are discussing it internally makes us livid as you would make iteasy for somebody to come into out game and by simple virtue of their wallet, be able to take their new dreadnaught and take over a system.
We are really disappointed that things are going to end this way and are willing to gonthedistance with it.
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Paradox Zero
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:10:00 -
[1243]
You guys need to get your heads inside a geyser and get some refreshment of mind out of it. This is outright insulting.
And, by the way, this is going to end like this:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=1220357
Start polishing your curricula....
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Chidori kun
Minmatar Starship Operating BastardZ
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:10:00 -
[1244]
Originally by: Raivi Zulu, Zulu, Zulu. I was really hoping you guys could put together a real devblog with input from the CSM, but it's obvious that you are either ignorant or spiteful towards the concerns of the playerbase. It really hurts to see this considering how much I was defending CCP recently. I'm having a hard time believing that you aren't purposefully trying to sabotage eve, as ridiculous as that idea is.
I'm not sure I could have written a worse devblog if I had tried.
Please please please listen to the CSM. They are the only ones that can help you salvage this now.
much appreciated trying to defend them but they shot them self in the foot here..
BTW your the only one who has the balls to show up on these threads of the expert team... pure respect here
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Stacy's Mom
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:11:00 -
[1245]
This is ridiculous. The monocle was sticker shock, let it stay no one cares THAT much. This is about game enhancing for MT and the total disillusionment we are feeling because of this. I would have hoped you (CCP) would have at least TRIED to do something in the way of reassuring your fanbase but you haven't.
And yes, I think the people who are making RL threats are ******ed as well. No I don't want anyone of you to be hurt in any way. Most of us don't.
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Elly Kusoni
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:11:00 -
[1246]
Why do you think CCP added modular ships?
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Republica Winder
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:11:00 -
[1247]
Originally by: Lavraen "Dear Star Wars GalaxiesÖ Community Member,
We write to you today to inform you that on December 15, 2011, Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) and LucasArts will end all services (MMO and Trading Card Game) for Star Wars Galaxies (SWG). The shutdown of SWG is a very difficult decision, but SOE and LucasArts have mutually agreed that the end of 2011 is the appropriate time to end the game."
Listen to your customers or suffer the same fate CCP!
The NGE killed SWG.
These "proposals" if they ever go live, WILL kill Eve.
It really is that simple.
Got that mail too.
Ominous isn't it? It's as if the gaming gods are sending a warning to Iceland.
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Asmodeus Et'Mort
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:11:00 -
[1248]
The arrogance and condecension in that devblog was truly breathtaking. This is your Star Wars Galaxy moment and you failed failed failed.
I am not a goose to be milked!
long live the golden goose revolution!
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 -
[1249]
players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Maya Firewish
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 -
[1250]
Still no answer...
CCP try again... |
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Manji Lee
Gallente Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 -
[1251]
Ughhhh, the Zulu never went on to mention if the items will only be vanity or affecting items. Not only that, the way he compared Japanese designer pant's next to no name brand. What the **** is that? Really???
During the time when CCP first brought out the thought of micro transaction items. A few of my mates talk about quitting the game once the subscription runs out. At first, I thought they were nuts. But, at this given moment and CCP attitude towards the community. Not to mention the licensing fee's to API development. I'm starting feel like it's a really good idea after all. I believe I should follow suit now. - EVE-CHATTER!!! The one and only place that make's CCP all hard inside. |
Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 -
[1252]
Originally by: Ekon Bor
Originally by: boeses frettchen
Originally by: Klebzellok 1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Failure to deny = Probable success in confirming, I suspect.
Yep.
I'm out. ---
R.I.P.
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Suicide Failed
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 -
[1253]
Dear CCP how out of touch with your player base are you? Did anyone from CCP actually read the post by CCP Paan which has turned into the biggest thread in history of EvE!
You have now shown us the paying public who play your game what you think of us.
My 3 accounts have been unsubbed.
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Sigurs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 -
[1254]
CPP, the problem is not the overpriced virtual rags, but all these faction standings with Aurum, CQ performance.....
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Mindseamstress
Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 -
[1255]
I have really enjoyed Eve for 8 years save for one detail, namely the unbelievable rudeness of arrogance of some of the CCP staff, particularly that of some of the individuals whose role it is to serve the customer base in a pleasant, courteous way.
This doesn't apply to everyone at CCP of course, and I have had good experiences as well from time to time, but I would suggest that management have a think about who they put in front of their paying clients.
This thread proves the point... Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
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Miranda Stardust
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 -
[1256]
Apart from the fact that Zulu's blog didn't adress anything, many people seem to like to overexagerate and troll here. When I look around the ingame chat channels it seems "the player base" couldn't care less. While I agree, MT for non-vanity stuff wouldn't be too cool, let's not pretend there isn't any "advantage for rl money" stuff happening already: If you were rich and crazy enough (and found somebody to sell the modules), you could sell enough PLEX to get an officer fitted faction ship at the price of a Titan (speaking of which, you could get a Titan as well, if anybody was selling one). Of course, you shouldn't be able to buy the SPs for said Titan as well. But hey...what difference would it make? Let's face it: One can sell a ****load of PLEXs and buy a Titan char (again if somebody sold one). So I don't see much difference to the MT for SP issue...If someone thinks he (or she) needs to waste a lot of rl money to cheat, let them...There is one thing they cannot buy and that is experience that comes over time. And a cheater won't enjoy the game for long anyways since there is nothing left to gain if you get everything instantly. And last but not least, let's not ne hypocrites: How many of you older (and rich players - ingame that is) could play EVE for free because of all the people selling PLEXs for ingame advantages? Oh and I almost forgot...you still can ban possible future SP cheaters from the community. Upon application to your corp demand their API and cross check with their age. If things don't correlate, ignore him or her. |
Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 -
[1257]
I have seen a few posts along the lines of "people cancelling subs are just alt postings and bluffs," and I just want to say that for me this is no joke. I am not a big name player but I have (small, infrequent) posting history over the past 1.5 years or so, and I have poured a lot of my heart into this game, sometimes making use of 6 accounts, though now I am down to 4.
I have watched the forums and CCP news closely for about 2.5 years now and I never thought it would come to this. I have a hard time believing that the people who doubt a dedicated player would quit over this have actually kept up with EVE over the past few years, and have actually read the source documents in question with this whole fiasco.
A week ago, I was mildly looking forward to Incarna and things to come, but the newsletter and CCPs response so far confirms the absolute worst fears the playerbase has has about CCP for a while now. We have all suspected that CCP might be going rotten, but most of us have been willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and wait and see. Well, we have waited, and now we have seen.
-4 accounts. Can't say I'm very sorry about it, though, after seeing how low CCP has really gone - and all without us knowing it, until now.
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Crunchmeister
Gallente Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 -
[1258]
Originally by: Leocadminone Are you talking SWG:NGE or more recent things like the "warrior nerf and resulting complete revamp to fix a simple little issue that just changing the DI and DB entries in the mob damage tables would fix easier"?
I think it's more likely that CCP has hired one or more game designers that worked for SoE, or they're BOTH hiring marketing managers from Mickey$loth.
Nothing specific. Just pretty much everything Sony does. Once upon a time, they made great products. Then they hit the top and expanded, getting greedier in the process. That's when the culture of "**** our customers, we know better" seems to have set it. As a result, everything they touch seems to turn to **** in some way, be it their hardware, software, or services. Anyone who's had to deal with their customer support knows that they give very little support, usually blaming issues on the customer to pass the buck of responsibility. Their communication with customers is poor at best, and usually unsubstantial when they do communicate. Sound familiar?
If I had to guess, I'd be willing to bet that Sony has made a substantial investment into CCP now that Dust is PS3 exclusive, perhaps even becoming shareholders, and are somehow pushing this issue to further monetize Eve and anything else CCP produces.
I really wonder if there's anyway to find this out. If I find myself permabanned, then I'll know that I've hit a sore spot by bringing up this connection. lol
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BR Link
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 -
[1259]
Edited by: BR Link on 24/06/2011 23:15:41 What a ridiculous statement.
Comparing in-game clothing to real-life clothing is pathetic on the face of it, yet alone supporting the idea that people give a **** about the "status" buying more expensive clothes affords. People shouldn't be held responsible for "doing their jobs"? Were they forced to write what they did, or were they (as stated elsewhere) their opinions? If so, anyone who puts an opinion out there should be prepared to have it criticised - particularly when prefixed with such a provocative question.
Edit: Btw, devs should beware. The next direction most companies move in after "**** our customers, we know better" is "**** the experienced staff, fresh management knows better".
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Unshra
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 -
[1260]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Pricing structure People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
I can understand that and expected that answer, however my concern with that is "what" stick you are measuring your pricing structure with. Should we expect that when ships are added (and at the rate it's clear that they will one day even if it's just a shuttle) that they will cost thousands of dollars, because that's what we pay for cars and boats (i.e. if a ships only costs $100 then how does that justify a shirt costing $20, what is you scale of balancing prices)? |
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 -
[1261]
This blog is a ******'s work.
We are smarter than this , the information age has begun and no customer will tolerate being manipulated
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cytex malrone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 -
[1262]
Where do i get the crap that zulu is smoking that pretty good ****.
So a dev blog that said stfu really the best way to deal with this .
If i done a response like that in my job I would be sacked on the spot and for good reason this is not the way you treat Your cash cow ccp.
If your fed up developing eve then can it .
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Lick Mei
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[1263]
I was a proud suporter of CCP and it's game development. Lately the development has gone in a direction i do not wish to suport, and I am not a fan of the new ÇÇP.
Beeing forced to walk around in a ****ing show room for useless **** that has nothing to do with the game play i enjoy is an insult. Aswell as the lack of responce to the issues raised on your forums with the new patch.
CCP used to be a company i held in grate respect, and stood up for when implementations not everybody else agreed on were introduced. i saw the vision you had for EVE-Online, and it's space content. This new direction however i have no respect for, and do not wish to suport, fund or be part of.
-4 accounts.
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LordElfa
Gallente Golden Lyon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[1264]
This isn't the end of EVE people, but it is the end of EVE as we know it.
You see, CCP has investors and partners and once they saw the profits being generated by ?MT, they insisted EVE have it as well.
So it will. I'm not even sure CCP wants to do it. I think guys like Zulu knew it would cause a catastrophe and now they have to figure out how to minimize the damage without either telling you the truth, which would be that there are MT's for more than vanity items coming or No, which would be a lie.
So, he opts to say nothing which is probably the best thing he could hope to do under the circumstances. They know there are going to be losses but there is no instant win answer for Zulu to give us.
Say yes: ****storm
Say no: lie and worse ****storm later
Say nothing: less harsh ****storm than less which will burn itself out to something smaller, blog by blog.
Saying nothing is manageable.
òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[1265]
Originally by: Realdoll1 Edited by: Realdoll1 on 24/06/2011 22:50:38 The only question that matters is the one you didnt address.
What about the non-vanity item future of the store?
SJ
PS The only reason this patch went smoothly is because you didnt actually add anything.
Not really fair, this expansion is probably the one where they added the most stuff of any expansion they ever made. Just because it doesnt look like much (baby steps and all that) doesnt mean it isnt a huge deal. Implementing and entirely new "game engine" into an existing one, while the game is running.. That's a massive undertaking and one that probably havent been done or even attempted before, by any mmo developer. Give credit where it's due (or if you dont undertand it, dont let your stupid show much and keep the trap shut).
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[1266]
Originally by: Sigurs Edited by: Sigurs on 24/06/2011 22:54:45 New DevBlog! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
... nearly.
Was that meant to be funny?
CCP Hammer... your are seriously misjudging your audience here.
We don't want jokes, we want answers!!!
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Austherus Sialomaet
Amarr Secluded Stronghold Order
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[1267]
Originally by: Ekon Bor
Originally by: boeses frettchen
Originally by: Klebzellok 1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Failure to deny = Probable success in confirming, I suspect.
True enough...I just can't believe they think this isn't going to kill their game...can't they understand that people who play pay2win games are not the same who play eve?
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Azmodeus Valar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:16:00 -
[1268]
I've edited the blog to show what I think it should have said.
Quote: CCP Zulu wrote:Dear concerned citizens of New Eden
This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna, an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Iæm going to address both these issues right here.
Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itæs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
We make a commitment now and forever to only use microtransactions for vanity items. The discussion in the newsletter was theoretical, and we can understand the impression that it gave. We sincerely apologize for the reaction it caused, and will insure that we consider the community before having these types of discussions again. We never should have had a debate about non-vanity microtransactions, considering the community's feeling on this matter.
Pricing structure
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about an initial offering. We agree that our initial pricing was too high, but we will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and possibly higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale. Expect the vast majority of future clothing to be in the <1000 Aurum pricing, with selected luxury items going higher. We apologize for the disconnect between expectations and reality of the initial release of items in the NeX store, but are quickly working to expand our offerings and bring it more in line with your expectations.
Hangar View
We believe that the Captains Quarters are an exciting development, and are a great basis for future gameplay options. However, we understand the interface, loading times, and performance are negatively impacting people's enjoyment of other aspects of EVE. We are beginning work on a patch to restore the original hangar view that many of you know and love. Players will have the option to default to the hangar or CQ view upon docking, with transitions available to move in between as needed. We expect that as we begin to expand the features available in CQ, along with opening stations and player driven station shops, that more of our customers will begin to use CQ regularly, while still preserving their ability to multibox and quickly access needed services using the hangar view when they need to.
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot
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Kalkat Anytu
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:16:00 -
[1269]
Edited by: Kalkat Anytu on 24/06/2011 23:17:55 Posting just to say that CCP is really threating his customers like idiots. This devblog is the proof. Comparing ingame items with RL items? Oh gosh then start selling ships at RL cars prices!!
Cancelled my subscriptions, you got 3 months to let me change my mind
PS: CCP hire Asmodeus, you'll get my subscriptions back ;)
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claire xxx
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:17:00 -
[1270]
CCP Zulu,
For me Incarna looks and runs great, and I'm on a Mac (albeit a brand spanking new Mac that has all the bells and whistles). Besides the Maller and turret items I've noticed some other small changes that were not in the Dev-Blog/Patch Notes. Things that, quite frankly, make Eve smoother and nicer. Even my beloved Abaddon has undergone a slight change in appearance à for the better I think.
However, there are multiple things that CCP has done that has enraged a lot of your customer base. Taking you example of a pair of pants that cost $1000.00 at a pricey boutique à well let's just say that I and most of the rest of the people that I've spoken with don't buy your answer.
Here's why.
We understand that CCP is a business and we don't have an issue with that, but now you've gone overboard and you've let your inner greedy selves shine through. You're charging, in-game, for a pair of pants, the equivalent of a Battleship. Now I don't care how rich you are in real life you're just not paying the equivalent of a modern warship for a pair of pants. To try to and excuse a bunch of pixels and photons, in a computer game, as having the same value as a pair of pricey boutique pants in real life is absolute rubbish. You should be completely ashamed for even attempting to pass this garbage off as an excuse.
Sure, some people will pay the prices for the clothing and other vanity items, but in reality CCP has proven that the leaked copy of FEARLESS was not a back-and-forth of ideas, but is in fact now reality. At least that is how us, your customers, now see you. CCP is now synonymous with the worst kind of GREED and a lot of us are not just mad, but enraged.
In the long run you'd have made better money, selling more vanity items, by making the items expensive, but not outrageously so.
As to other issues à
People crossing the line and making actual physical threats, real or perceived à I don't agree with it, and I wouldn't tolerate it.
The possibility of (in the future) being able to buy better ammunition or ships or standings that will affect other players in the game à you didn't address this issue, and it's one of great concern to a lot of players as well.
Eve -v- Macs à although considered a niche section of play you've managed to upset and/or outright ruin Eve for a lot of players that use Macs. Sadly, compared to the rest of the forums, the Mac forum section doesn't get anywhere near the responses from CCP that the rest do for bugs and issues. Time to step it up and pay attention to your customer base à ALL OF THEM.
In closing I'd like to reiterate that Incarna looks and runs great for me, but in my opinion, and the opinion of a vast group of your customer base, CCPs greed has overwhelmingly shown through.
Be ashamed, be very, very ashamed.
Claire XXX
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Mzee Machado
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:17:00 -
[1271]
Edited by: Mzee Machado on 24/06/2011 23:25:31 Dear CCP
For long I have been an aspiring carebear, occasionally throwing myself into battle with the best of them. This is the first time I have felt somewhat repulsed by out-of-game influence on in-game mechanics.
It is very hard to believe your dev blog would post what you just did. The dev blogs have earlier shown some real hardcore competence in action, my fauvorite being Curts article on software making the best of hardware and Missiles hate my hamsters by Veritas.
EVE has always been driven forward by individuals standing out of the crowd. Those I speak of do not need jeans costing $1000, but as you put it:
"Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop."
What ARE you talking about? Have your server been hacked or something? There are jeans and there are jeans. Those costing more than a battleship in-game are not.
A boss that does not listen to the mood of the workers is not worth respect. We, your customers and passionate believers in immersion, are your workforce. You might simulate us on servers, but we are not bits and bites.
The suggestions that have been repeated throughout this forum is: - first dock in normal bay - then choose to disembark - can I haz CQ --without the fan sounding like a whining pig --light not shining out of my nose if little else - Vanity unbelief - MT vs mT - mistrust
If we are to respect you, you have to respect our views somewhat better than you do now. You see, we do want to walk in stations, move among the crowd. Meeting space cadettes and grunts from worlds below. Our ships are our for now, the ground belongs to a future. Are the stations where we will meet and fight?
Selling a billion and a half ISK pants is to brag about owning a loaf of bread before a hungry crowd. In this instanse before a crowd sitting uncomfortably close together in a hot, dark room screaming for their lives.
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Tytilla
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:17:00 -
[1272]
Rule 1 of Service Management: Don't make things worse. Rule 2 of Service Management: Find the root cause of the issue and address it - Fix it.. Rule 3 of Service Management: Having made the mistake once, don't make it again. Rule 4 of Service Management: Keep your customers informed with accurate, timely updates as to what you are doing to resolve the critical issue.
I see none of these, or any other Service Management concepts in place.
If there are several problems impacting your customers, you address the important/critical ones first. You don;t try and fob them off with niceties and distracting their attention by looking at some of the lesser issues.
In the "real" IT world, the attitudes shown to the customer base would have financial and contractual issues that would result in some pretty serious implications.
So, put some proper Service Management in place.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:17:00 -
[1273]
You knowà
I put together a 6,500 word document in response to the “parlay” post by CCP Pann. That might seem a bit excessive, but it was just how long it took to go through the various points that needed to be presented.
Luckily, in response to this blog, I only need one word:
"No." ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Falgarra Uta
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 -
[1274]
I am going to bring a new EVE player perspective to this entire Incarna patch and the SS that has followed. I have been playing EVE for 3 weeks now. To preface, I have been playing MMORPG's for well over 10 years now (UO,Lineage,DAoC, WoW) and beta tested countless others. I have been out of the gaming world for about a year now getting RL into order and decided to come back. Instead of going back to one of my old games I chose a new one based on what I wanted in a game. I wanted a sandbox style game like UO but I wanted a change from Fantasy to Sci-fi. My second criteria was how the player base was treated CCP Games seemed to have been down to earth and listened to their player base. They also had the MOST LOYAL fan base out there. So I chose to go with EVE and was having a fun time... Until this..
First off I DISLIKE the idea of forcing your pilot into CQ.
There are many times where a pilot needs to dock, re-fit etc etc QUICK. The hanger was the perfect way to do this. Now with CQ it takes extreme times to load (I have a new PC) it's very clunky to move your pilot around and SLOW. I chose this game to fly space ships, not to waste my time in a station. HOWEVER I understand the vision behind CQ and NEX. and understand that you need to start here in order to expand to WIS. This however should be an OPTION!!!!! not forced upon each pilot. If you have this as an option there are plenty of people who will choose to use it when it is RIGHT to use it. Not to mention the lore and the goo and the pods making CQ un-probable every time you dock.....
The second major issue is "Greed is Good"
I'm sure the majority of the people (no matter how much they complain) are O.K. with the idea of the OPTION to use the Noble Exchange to purchase vanity etc items. Yes, prices are high on some items but what do you care of X player wants to spend the Arum/ISK etc? I personally will not use it therefore the point in arguing against it is irrelevant. HOWEVER the fact there the idea was even floated around, to offer items that CHANGE GAME PLAY AND AFFECT STANDING etc etc, in the NEX is horrifying. I have come to see that this is NOT what EVE is about.
Please Address the 2 points most players are concerned with
1. Will the Noble Exchange be used to sell NON-Vanity items?
2. Will you bring back the hanger and allow CQ to be an option?
The fact that there are countless threads discussing these 2 things MAINLY and you chose to ignore them and make a DEV blog that discussed neither is disheartening as the previous CSM put it.....
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 -
[1275]
Originally by: Abecbu
And if they release a ship that is better than any other normally bought ship just buy some plex with isk and get it. Your not forced to spend real money for anything on the exchange.
PLEX's, you stupid stupid child do not grow on trees. NPC's do not magically drop them randomly. Those PLEX's you are suggesting people buy cost real money. Perhaps not for YOU but for someone, somewhere. If nobody had paid real money for it then that PLEX would not exist for you to spend ISK on.
Even if that PLEX went through all 350k subscribers before it got to you it does not change the fact that it had (until you broke it up) a value of 30 days of gametime (or about ú15).
And here's the thing if all of us haters leave and don't worry we're gone, that's less people who aren't children to spend ú15 on a PLEX for you to buy ingame with ISK isn't it? Because here's a hint. I'm taking my stockpiles of them with me in to the abyss.
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Ootter Badazz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 -
[1276]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
not in the least... lulzsec was clearly your biggest concern because it slowed down your ability to help destroy your own mmo... kudos... dust the greatest game of all time the first of it's kind has now been completely destroyed as well... you guys are awesome... clearly business 101 was ****ing passed with flying colors... I will also be ripping my account offline... R.I.P. eve... R.I.P. the best game that didn't even get a chance... without an eve... there is no dust... you just cost yourselves millions and millions of dollars... "greed is good?" seems so... look what it did for yins... I've seen MT's before... it starts out "It's just for vanity" "blah blah ****ing blah" 6 months later the extra million they made wasn't enough to support their habit of hookers and blow... then they start MT'ing many other things "which have vanity built in" but are also a big leg up on the competition... so no matter how big of an advantage it gives you that you paid for it... they will still say it's just for vanity... mt's destroyed many other games... just as it will this one... it's a very very very ****ing slippery slope... enjoy your spiral staircase to hell... I'll see the lot of you there <3
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Fi1ippo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:19:00 -
[1277]
You are some smug pieces of crap lol. "Deal with it"?
Hows this: If you dont take away aurum or rework it now, you will lose your game? How smug will you be when SWG (which is dieing on decemeber 15th) is more popular then you are? lol
There is a time to stand by what you believe in a time to say "i was wrong". Which time do you think this is?
"The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick."
From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One.
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Arix Sarn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 -
[1278]
Nuts
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 -
[1279]
Originally by: PhoenixDawn
Originally by: Vim
No content expansion? *New Turrets, laying foundation for upgrading of the rest of effects in eve as well as other goodies. <-This one was pretty huge of an undertaking.
And it worked out rather well, IMO. The new icons take some getting used to but are pretty sharp. Unfortunately the turret placement on my Phantasm puts these huge pods on the end of slender struts... which is uglier than the south end of a northbound garbage truck.
Originally by: Vim
*More Bugfixes, fixing things that been broken: Always fricking good.
But the introduction of new bugs obviates the work, and the true bugs (content introduced with past patches and left to languish... COSMOS, Faction Warfare, et al) have not been addressed or even glanced yet beyond the reduction of farmability.
Originally by: Vim
*Captain Quarters, the first cornerstone to the actual WiS. The remaining building blocks to come in staggered releases, as they said they would do with big changes.
This aspect of the patch, to me, was rather useless. I've no need for the CQ and would happily go back to the old hangar style if I could. As I said before, if I want to walk around I'll log into SecondLife and sext some people up out of boredom.
The new icons suck. most of them are very DIFFICULT to see at all and look like amorphous dark grey blobs on a grey background. I couldn't care LESS about the fancy turrent graphics - I NEVER have the space display close enough I can even SEE my ship, as then I can't see anything BUT the ugly dorky stupid looking thing, so IMO this whole "new turrents and crap" stuff in Incarna was a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT AND NOTHING BUT A MINUS.
Like the rest of Incarna. If I wanted to play Sims in Space, I'd go play Sims Online.
As far as the bugfixes go - where's the fix for the constant frequent LD issues players have been complaining about since Incursions original patch? Among other issues that MATTER, as opposed to fixing stupid "pretty" **** most players will never notice....
Is CCP deliberately trying to follow the path of Vanguard - "pretty pretty graphics and effects" to the point the game is UNPLAYABLE on most current machines?
They sure seem to be liking the Mickey$loth model of "cram this down the customer's throats long enough, they'll come to accept it as normal even when it's bloody stupid" a LOT of late.
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 -
[1280]
Emailed Massively about the Jita protests due to this blog. Hope you like negative publicity :)
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Auss81
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:20:00 -
[1281]
Edited by: Auss81 on 24/06/2011 23:21:05
Originally by: JTK Fotheringham
Originally by: cytex malrone Im a new player I came here because of incarna because of internet spaceships after reading zed caynes blog and thought it was a cool game.
My Impressions Is this really how you treat your customers ccp .....
The newsletter it was discussing the issue of MT fair enough why were you discussing it ?? You told the player base that you were not going to introduce play to win fullstop you are caught out in a lie that dev blog basically says that you don't care what your player base thinks your going to go ruin eve anyway. Well if that is the way you want it fine i simply wont pay you my 1 month account has been canceled . i have 18 days left and that is as long as im giving this game .
Charging people like zed 99 bucks to get new people like me into this game is plain wrong no matter which way you cut it .
Personally i dont care about vanity items I dont care about dust or wod i want to play eve that is what i was intending to play but basically im not investing any more time into this game if you are going to make me pay to be competitive and to be honest that what this dev blog said you havent denied it so it must be true .
48 hours to be told "stfu people it is our game" I dont think any other game treated there customer base like this and was around a year later i hope dust can survive without eve and i hope wod is nearly finished because otherwise you are all out of a job.
Cya eve it been a fun 1 month but I think ill go spend my time and money on something else.
+1 if you are a noob. This is exactly why vets are leaving.
Noob here. This is the same reason why I unsubbed. 2 months played and 4 month wasted. Anyway it has been a good experience for me.
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Ulmega
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:21:00 -
[1282]
The most ridiculous and foolish piece of writing ever made by a game developer to their players.
Believe they asked us to drop the pitchforks and torches.
I agree
Time to bring napalm and artillery guns, anyone has some friend sin the USA air force? we might use some B2s or just plain old B52s.... The Dutch F16 sadly won't be able to reach iceland.
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Joni Festus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:21:00 -
[1283]
eve is the first mmo i have ever payed for. i hated the idea of monthly subscriptions but eve was such a different game that it persuaded me to play and i dont regret it. however it is changing. everything i love about eve is being destroyed. its going the same way as the music industry. if you make a good game people want to play then you will surely make money and you will feel awesome because you are making an awesome game.
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Memitim Deuce
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:21:00 -
[1284]
"which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions"
just to let everyone know, cyno jammers are broken.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:21:00 -
[1285]
Congratulations on your utter failure to address Incarna being the worst expansion ever released by CCP.
CQ are useless (inefficient as a UI, movement controls are unresponsive and limited, camera doesn't rotate with character, etc) and you give a giant finger to everyone disabling it by replacing the old highly functional docking port with a dull metal wall that does nothing.
Plus even five year old 3D games run 100 times faster and cooler than CQ, display a hell of a lot more in a far larger and more detailed space, and look twice as good.
New turret icons are dull muddy blobs that are very hard to tell apart, or even see next to targets against the darkness of space.
Large numbers of pre-existing bugs remain unaddressed, e.g. crashing while jumping when tabbed out of fullscreen, item bonuses not displaying/working right, etc.
I could go on, but the point is that saying Incarna "is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous" represents a giant disconnect with reality. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
SilentSkills
Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:22:00 -
[1286]
dear CCP zulu.
Go **** yourself and your greedy bunch of ****s MonocleMonocle
The door thread - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID |
Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1287]
So we can expect another devblog on the other concerns... today? Next week? This month?
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1288]
Originally by: Tippia You knowà
I put together a 6,500 word document in response to the ôparlayö post by CCP Pann. That might seem a bit excessive, but it was just how long it took to go through the various points that needed to be presented.
Luckily, in response to this blog, I only need one word:
"No."
You took the time to write pretty much what I would have. I don't mean to kiss your ass, but I pretty much agree with you most of the time. (I have a slightly higher agreement rate with Akita T, sorry...) You're obviously not lacking in intelligence and an ability to write. So, I thank you for doing something I too should have done. Your points were spot on, and in reply we got this monstrosity from CCP... To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
In reading some of the comments from the CSM members - it seems like CCP is in fact planning on Aurum for advantages and temporary only ability to disable CQ. Shame. I really liked this game.
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Anistazana
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1289]
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
One more time.
Are you going to sell items, beyond vanity items, in game in EVE?
Let me try that through Google translate into Icelandic.
Ert Š· a= fara a= selja v÷rur, handan atri=i hTg=ma, f leiknum f EVE?
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Lin Suizei
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1290]
Originally by: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/black-friday.html Our words, and yours, appear worthless. Only our actions may have weight.
I didn't think a company could do worse than Gearbox did with its handling of Duke Nukem Forever's epic failure. I was wrong.
F'ing amazing.
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Evira Alivar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1291]
I am very dissapointed how things go right now.
EVE Players subscribed to a game with monthly fees. They have spent years to develop a community. Your playerbase doesnt want Mircrotransactions.
If you sell DUST514 with another business model, that is fine. DUST Players will decide if they go with that model or not when they buy it.
If you link PLEX and Aurum (wich is afaik the MT currency that will be used in DUST), that is ok. But dont force EVE-Players into a MT Model with that. They didnt subscribe for that, they dont want it, so dont do it.
If you want to sell ingame items that do not influence the gameplay in EVE via Aurum, thats ok. But we dont want Ships and Guns and Ammo for Aurum.
If you sell ingame items for Aurum that only affect the appearance of characters, dont expect us to pay ridiculus prices. Every EVE-Player that stays in the game for a while can do simple math. Selling an ingame item that can be lost and is only for the apperance for about 50Ç (yes, aurum is linked to real cash), thats simply not going to happen. I expected the prices to go down after some days to not screw with the plex market right after the patch. I never expected that you think we will pay those prices for real.
As many others, i expect a usefull statement about future Microtransactions in EVE soon.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1292]
Originally by: LordElfa This isn't the end of EVE people, but it is the end of EVE as we know it.
You see, CCP has investors and partners and once they saw the profits being generated by ?MT, they insisted EVE have it as well.
Oh like Entropia that had to SELL it's primary world just to stay alive?
Yep, MT is always profitable.
*NOT*
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Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1293]
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?
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Lockefox
Caldari Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:23:00 -
[1294]
Way to throw gasoline on the fire rather than water.
A few points: -CQ is a poor delivery on a mediocre feature. The fact the code runs so hot for what little is there is frankly inexcusable. You should not require an SLI/Crossfire setup to be able to multi-box. Docked in station should not be pushing people's systems to the brink.
-The AUR store is a joke. How could it possibly be justifiable to spend more than 1 PLEX on a single cosmetic upgrade? They're called MICROtransactions. Also, the justification for ludicrous prices in the name of fashion are inadequate. You guys have a PhD economist on staff... how could you not only miss the mark but continue to remain stuck on a price point that will net you nothing?
There's nothing inherently wrong with microtransactions. Plenty of legitimate games use them as significant revenue sources. But the idea is to keep them micro to nickle-and-dime the buyers rather than expect the playerbase to shell out 20USD for a "sparkle pony". I personally was looking into picking up a PLEX to convert to AUR when the expansion launched, but after seeing the prices ranging from 10USD to 70USD, I will not be participating.
The correct answer to this problem is a reworking of the existing AUR market (even if that requires refunds to players who may have purchased new items), a direct message to the players on the intended nature of MT in the future of EVE... and it wouldn't hurt to not alienate and ignore your CSM you spent so much time putting together.
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ez caper
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:24:00 -
[1295]
well lucas is making sw:kotor 3 as a MMO,really can't be worse then eve if they implement MT
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Majmuna
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1296]
CCP Zulu must be just be kidding us, right? I am working in a PR, and never in my life have I seen such a poor impersonation of Goebbelsian propaganda. No real issues addressed, even stylistics of his blog is very poor. I am becoming hugely disappointed.
I was considering quitting EVE when i first heard about the MT even as vanity items. Should CCP ever introduce gameplay-influencing microtransactions, I will quit the very moment. Just have a look at the Dark Orbit game - it is just lame and plainly stupid.
Let me repeat again, I am becoming hugely disappointed - CCP starts to act in a way our (Czech) corrupt parliament does.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1297]
Odd thought. I chicken littled about what happens to EVE when the Dusties leave. It never occured to me that by the time the Dusties get here there would be no EVE or at least not an EVE in any shape to support them.
So what happens to Dust when EVE flatlines?
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Komen
Gallente The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1298]
The very fact that you are discussing microtransactions beyond vanity items AT ALL is a mistake. We are not a well to be double-dipped at your leisure. We are a fanbase because you have given to us, so we give to you our subscriptions, or buying plexes, or whatever.
The fact that Soundwave is being crucified for that article, and Turbefield is being lauded for his, should tell you EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW.
In short your response is lacking, and my unsubscription stands.
tl:dr No MT for in-game advantage of any sort. Stop discussing it.
PS: Quality game development is the harder road to financial reward, yes. It also pays off in unexpected ways, like giving you a good reputation going into Dust and WoD. Think on that.
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Innominate
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1299]
Originally by: Kynder Furlow http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?
The clear intention to take it beyond vanity items into a pay-to-win model.
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1300]
Originally by: Anistazana
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
One more time.
Are you going to sell items, beyond vanity items, in game in EVE?
Let me try that through Google translate into Icelandic.
Ert Š· a= fara a= selja v÷rur, handan atri=i hTg=ma, f leiknum f EVE?
Fail translation: Correct translation is "Štli= Ši= virkilega a= selja mTr hluti sem eru ekki bara uppß hTg=ma a= gera f EVE?"
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Grog Barrel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1301]
Edited by: Grog Barrel on 24/06/2011 23:27:34 where did this icelandic chimps get their academic degree at all? this is a ****ing dirty joke!
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NosubstanceHere
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1302]
Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:25:38 Here is an interesting read: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1303]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay And here's the thing if all of us haters leave and don't worry we're gone, that's less people who aren't children to spend ú15 on a PLEX for you to buy ingame with ISK isn't it? Because here's a hint. I'm taking my stockpiles of them with me in to the abyss.
Nooooo! That is one of CCPs goals, to remove stockpiles of PLEX. Give them to your corp or friends and keep them in play.
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Zunone Teradorado
Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[1304]
So nice job writing a blog that does nothing to calm your players.
read this: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
Now respond to ALL of the points this piece raises, that will begin to calm you players down.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 -
[1305]
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 23:25:50
As a friend of mine just said, "That Devblog had the most sarcastic smug tone ever."
Let me put it this way. WRONG ANSWER
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Tla Atij
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 -
[1306]
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
This.
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Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 -
[1307]
Originally by: Innominate
Originally by: Kynder Furlow http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?
The clear intention to take it beyond vanity items into a pay-to-win model.
Where?!?!??! Where are you getting this 'intention' idea from?
It talks about vanity items only.. and suggests that vanity items will be changed and in respone to how it impacts the economy as a whole..
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Calypsa Aeurelieus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 -
[1308]
Almost 50 pages already. People can claim that people are over reacting, this is my first post in the comments, and will be my only one until further Dev. statements.
To the guys/gals who say players are over-reacting... let them over-react. They are paying for something that has become, for many of them, an integral part of their daily routine. It's the small creature comforts in life like our hobbies and our friends that allow us to plow through all the other crap in life.
The bottom line is people are truly disheartened. I'm not saying EVE will fail, in fact I hope it doesn't, but the MT clearly isn't the right answer for "this" community. I've came from other MMO's based on MT that have a crowd that is accepting of such.
Look at where EVE has came from since it's beginning. It's made leaps and bounds, and made a fine profit from it. However it is human nature to always want more, and sometimes the developers, and perhaps the players in some cases have to realize that less can be more.
All in all I hope that things will eventually cool down. MT is truly a game breaking mechanic for THIS game. Maybe not for all, but for EVE it can't happen. It will upset the natural circle of things. I do hope the developers at EVE will take this weekend to think long and hard about what steps they can take to rectify all that has happened.
They have created something that could be easily stopped by showing us proof that MT won't happen for non-vanity items. Also, my one post in the other huge thread was in regard to Zulu's blog. Honestly Zulu, I don't know you from Adam, and I'm not going to call you names, curse you out, or anything, but you and I both know you totally avoided what needed to be said, whether it was because you are hoping it wipes away, or you were told you couldn't say anything. You are high enough in the structure that your input counts, but your position isn't much without a crowd base. EVE is your corporations primary source of income at this point, and until the other games you are trying to develop become successful (1 of which is highly dependent on EVE remaining successful), we are your main source of funding. Don't neglect that now, or later.
This is a firm player base and tight community that has been built. Players young and old are uniting under one banner, I'm half tempted to go thru this thread and the other main thread to see how many have un-subbed. Perhaps if you have 400k total accounts (Heard this in a recent interview), you can afford to lose some... but if you are like most business you run on a profit margin with prospected good and bad quarters, and I can assure you that if you follow thru with MT your quarters will continue to go down.
I've already made this post much longer than I originally planned, not out of anger, or hate, but simply out of pittance. I've never found a community quite like EVE and it would be a shame to see it go to waste for the sake of money. In the end, money can only get you so far... remember your roots CCP, remember the promise of a new breed of an MMO, and continue to live up to that promise even in the face of the F2P MT MMO's that are springing up all over.
Regards,
Calypsa
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Indy Rider
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:27:00 -
[1309]
Originally by: Kynder Furlow http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Read near the bottom - whats changed so that that response is no longer valid?
Well at least we have confirmation they're going P2W.
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Quantumality
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:27:00 -
[1310]
There are many things fairly unique about EVE that keep peole playing, or coming back time after time. Part of that appeal is the fact there are no (legal) easy mode buttons. Being able to buy game advantage (skill points, ships, ammo, faction standing, etc.) would destroy this aspect of EVE and make this just another game. Long term players - of any game - are long term players because the game they are playing is not just any game.
On the point about justifying game items based on real world price, I strongly object. This is not the real world, this is an environment created and owned by CCP, where CCP is god. If I go buy a few thousand dollar suits at Saks 5th Avenue, not only do I not have to pay $15 a month to wear them, Saks can not come and ban my closet for something else I did and deprive me of my suits. Not only do you require me to pay a subscription fee to access items you want me to pay real money for, you also have the ability at any time at your descretion (per your TOS and EULA) to take those items from me. That in itself totally breaks your "real world" analogy, sorry.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:27:00 -
[1311]
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot WAS THAT ALL WE F***ING GET!!!!!!!! You sir have just proved yourself to be more stupid, ignorant and ill-informed than George W Bush.
this can't be quoted enough
Thanks. My typos not withstanding. I've had a cup of tea now and calmed down.
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Keres Drakos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:28:00 -
[1312]
Edited by: Keres Drakos on 24/06/2011 23:29:08 You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?
Stop giving us this bull**** run-around, give us a simple yes or no. I understand you said in the devblog that the "Fearless" document that was leaked was intended for discussion from exaggerated stances. That's fine. That's how a lot of hot-button issues get hammered out. However, the fact that you (CCP) were even considering offering items that would give players an advantage for real money is absolutely disgusting.
You lied to our faces, you breached our trust, and now you're losing customers.
Chose your next move carefully, otherwise you can say goodbye to me and my 7 (yes SEVEN) accounts.
EDIT: FREE HELICITY BOSON! No seriously, he exposed information that is now public knowledge, there is no reason to enforce the ban any longer.
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Lothix VSX
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:28:00 -
[1313]
Issues of buying non-vanity items for RL money aside, as it can be done now, CCP could have just stated that NEX items will consume appropriate amount of manufactured items in addition to AUR to purchase ASAP and the issue would have been settled. Tying NEX into player manufacturing market should be a no-brainer.
Buying permanent (non-item) character advancement with RL money will ruin the game instantly, this is also a no-brainer. It doesn't make sense to not address this unless CCP already gave up on EVE.
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Zarlis
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 -
[1314]
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Players go fu.ck yourselves
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
loud and clear
I can only assume by the tone of you blog and the fact you address virtually nothing that enough people have bought stuff from your store that you don't give a sh.it if some subs are cancelled.
2 subs cancelled
Chlorine, coming to the space pool near you. Get your goggles at the Aurum store. Greed is good.pdf |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 -
[1315]
Originally by: Aineko Macx TL;DR: Stay the course!
Why the !@#$ do idiots like this fail to read something that's not even long, then comment on it anyway? I don't get this mindset. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
VonKolroth
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 -
[1316]
Jesus, That monocle has pretty much become the symbol of everything that is wrong and broken in EvE. ~
A man with a Domi analyzes every problem in the terms of drones. |
Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 -
[1317]
Originally by: Keres Drakos You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?
It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 -
[1318]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 24/06/2011 23:33:20
Worst response ever.
For a second I was actually stunned. So basically your message to the playerbase is:
Deal with it !?
You are aware that eve is your only cash cow right ?
You are aware that there are some stains on a MMO companies image that stick ?
Ask Sony or ask Funcom.
I am as much disgusted as I am puzzled and disappointed.
Oh yes and this:
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
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derrjuden
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 -
[1319]
While I respect your decisions as company that needs to make money to satisfy it's shareholders and employees, the "noble" exchange comes across as a money-grab. If you're going to do that, at least make things worth purchasing, and at a reasonable rate....
Quote: While some might take offence to you making money, mehà I don't agree with that view personally ù you're free to invent your earning schemes (but we'll get to that). My problem is rather, why on earth are you making an MT store where the pricing breaks the basic rule of MT: make prices so low that they're not a factor in the decision-making process? The problem in my eyes isn't that the stuff is expensive, it's that it breaks this rule and creates a mental barrier to purchase, which means it fails at the purpose of making money.
also, this ^
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Damian Gene
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:29:00 -
[1320]
Quote: The year ended with around 360,000 accounts... 2010 Q4 Report
$15 USD per month * 360,000 subscriptions = $5,400,000 USD per month. $5,400,000 USD per month * 12 months (1 Year) = $64,800,000 USD per year.
Now, I'm a businessman, and own my own company in the US. So I very well understand that Gross income is very different then Net income. I also understand that 99% of the time, the biggest expense in any company, is Payroll. Even if you salary 1/2 of you're gross(about 32m) You could hire 320 employees at $100,000 USD per year (excluding tax's) I am unsure of how many people you employ that work in with Eve Online, however getting a petition that took a week to send a generic response indicates that poor customer service is a result of being under-staffed.
I challenge you, CCP employees, the CEO, the Board of Directors, and most importantly, the stock holders, to investigate and find out who is about to be the cause of a 25% or more monthly decline in gross revenue, and fire them immediately.
We both know, being proactive is how you stay in business. If it's after the fact, the CEO gets fired, and management get's re-organized, but the bottom line is the same, you still lost money. Do something now, so you don't loose the money.
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Ribaldry
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 -
[1321]
I haven't read the previous posts here, just going through the blog post and responding.
Quote: which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions
I was telling people about this the other day... truly amazing how CCP finally made a major release and didn't screw it up.
Quote: One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
This is not an elephant in the room. Zynga and many other game companies do MT successfully. They do not, however, set expectations -> PROMISE AND GUARANTEE these expectations -> then secretly plan a contradictory model.
You know what? Responding to the rest of the blog is pointless. There was a giant yellow question that the vast majority of players wanted answered and you completely ignored it. This shows your intent to actually sell power items. You have therefore lost my three subs.
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Shangpo
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 -
[1322]
Originally by: NosubstanceHere Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:25:38 Here is an interesting read: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.
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Boris Borison
Caldari Evolution Rising
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 -
[1323]
Originally by: CCP Zulu one of our more smooth and successful expansions
Can I have whatever you've been smoking? (no really, I think my dealer has gone and got himself locked up, again)
Originally by: CCP Zulu The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
I'm willing to buy this, but as the CSM had previously been promised microtransactions for vanity items only, it shouldn't even have been a topic for internal discussion. I think whoever asked/told? CCP Soundwave to write his piece should step up and apologise to us and to him.
Pricing structure: I don't think I could care less, reduce them by a factor of 10 and I'll still buy the same quantity that I will at the current prices. in fact why not double the prices?
Incarna: I quite like the CQ, but for the love of God why do we have to load it every time we dock?
Dock -> pod leaves ship -> exit pod -> get dressed -> 5 second chat with an agent -> get undressed -> enter pod -> enter ship -> undock.
I guess that ^^ event sequence justifies the loading times. ffs
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TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 -
[1324]
Guys, Stop asking if CCP will be offering NON-Vanity Items for Aurum, their lack of an answer gives you yours. The answer is yes.
We've had PLEX for years (I can't find the exact date) PLEX's used for extra isk are essentially microtransactions
4 PLEX at today's prices = a Machariel (or comparable faction battleships) and a moderately expensive fitting.
I consider the buying of PLEX for anything other than subscription to be cheating.
Zulu, I love CCP, well, I did. I'm not going to threaten to stop playing my accounts, because CCP hasn't recieved any money from me since last August or September. I have 4 accounts of which I all actively play. That's 60 USD a month that you're not getting.
It seems everyone's favorite dev at the moment is CCP Big Dumb Object Numerous players apparently, want you (CCP Zulu) to die in a fire. I honestly don't care, though your death wouldn't change much about EVE Online. They're just upset about how CCP has been behaving for the past few years, I doubt they honestly want you to burn to death.
It's not too late for CCP to turn itself around and become the outstanding company that I started EVE with. Listen to your players, take polls often, don't pay enormous heed to forum posts, heh, that's ironic, listen to the polls. Right now some players feel that EVE Online has a future that they don't want or will not play in. You should ask yourself why they say this, then fix the issue. At the moment they players are fearful of the endless possibilities of Microtransactions.
Save yourself while there's something left to save, CCP. Beneath the endless rage, your players respect you. However, if you push them too hard, well, EVE Online won't be the only internet spaceships game in the world, they'll give that company their money and not yours.
-Pete <3 btw, I'd buy the ability to autosalvage on a Noctis for $15, even.
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Righteous Deeds
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 -
[1325]
I'm absolutely floored. You could have brainstormed "what would be our worst possible response" and this is exactly what you should have come up with.
Guys, you need some new leadership. You cannot let your egos stick to a bad business decision unless you want to kill the company for real.
You have got to have some people in the company that thought this was all a bad idea. Swallow your prides and ask them what to do now.
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Cyno Biggi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[1326]
Originally by: Tla Atij
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
This.
This.
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[1327]
Edited by: Vim on 24/06/2011 23:37:02 I will not judge people debating extreme standpoints internaly. Why are they debating them in eve terms? Because they know EvE. They know what would be bad for her. They do however need to weather all sorts of opinions and standpoints, extreme and highly radical. They are CCP, that is not just EvE, they also include White Wolf, and a Ton of people all over the world; They can't just fly everyone to a lecture hall in London and have this type of debate, they need to make it tremendously clear in text; making extreme views showing even extremer. They need to debate for the coming: DUST and WoD. They need to understand MT for thoose two games. They need to comeup with what would be bad and what would be good for thoose games, and they debate it using EVE as their arena, because they are familiar with her; they are not familiar with the two coming projects.
No CCP will never sell NOBLE items that give you +10% armor or faction standings in EVE, In WoD they very well might.
It would be grand if they simply had said "No" in a more direct manner.
If they would indeed start selling non-vanity items for EvE... I would be one of the first to leave if they started selling faction standings, paintjobs with 10% armor, ultra high grade closerangeammo +30% damage or the like.
But until they actually start selling the above, I will not judge their toughts meant for themselves. I will judge actions. Currently the pitchforks are about because of toughts. I had hoped that died off in the dark ages They need the toughts for the coming titles, that they used eve as their arena for debate because they all know eve and the document got out being read as facts.
"Gordon Gekko Edition" whoever cameup with that is brilliant, and all the rage not seeing the devils advocate and 'trying to spin it' cleary dont see the question mark in the title or the irony in the edition name.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[1328]
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled
You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on 06 July 2011.
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[1329]
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.
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hydlided
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[1330]
i still think the whole idea about "buying" virtual money (plex) is almost as rediculous as paying a monthly fee to fly space ships. Lets add virtual cloths to the list of the goods to buy.
Seriously? Even the thought of it buying virtual clothes makes my stomach upset! If my subscription ends, where are my virtual clothes going to? charity? recycled clothes stores?
Wouldnt it just be easier to say "submit your money to CCP: click here". (link it to whatever payment you like)
Hey ****heads: I think after the 4 years of subscription fees of one char and to add a couple of more to follow I think it is fair to say that "we" as gamers have already been sending enough money towards the company don't you think? Whats next? you pay to post on a forum? Real money toll booths on stargates... hey its still optional right?
And they wonder "why" there is so much rage... hey go figure!
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Polinus
Caldari Emptiness.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 -
[1331]
Well its understandable they took so long to answer. Takes time to make such a masterpiece to insult completely your players without being too obvious or usign low level wordings.
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Meatay
Night Theifs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 -
[1332]
TL;DR = f' you "people" ----------------------------------------------
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 -
[1333]
Originally by: Vim Read my posts people.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAH... <breath> HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!
Like anyone is going to read your special little posts in the screaming, liquid excrement sea of rage that this thread is?
You are a precious little flower.
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Micro Tranactions Rock
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 -
[1334]
Originally by: Ronin Silfar
Originally by: Micro Tranactions Rock Ok, with al this negative postings, i would like to post something positive about Micro Transactions.
I think the Micro Transactions is a really good thing, ofcourse i do not care about the new 3d engine or the clothing! I do feel badly for people with older computers who now can't run multiple clients!
But for the store, you don't have to buy clothing, i don't know why i would ever buy clothing in a spaceship game. But i guess we have a girl playerbase who like some sims elements in the game.
But to the point, I really hope one day we will be able buy skill points (or items that will convert into skill points) in the Micro Transaction store.
I know a lot of players object to it, saying i played 8 years and now have 150m skillpoints. -And do not want newer players to be able to get there fast.- But why not? If a new player spends as much money on the game in 1 month as you did in 8 years? It is the choice of the new player who is buying the skill points. It is his money which he spends on a hobby!
And if CCP makes more money they might even hire some people to fix-up new space ships like tech III frigs and battleships. (and fix posses and some other bugs that has been around for a few years)
Well this is solely my opinion, I hope I offended nobody. Lets all be friends again and shoot each other spaceship instead of spending so much time on the forums.
Wow, you totally had me goin' there for a bit. I didn't realize you were trolling until I saw the character name. Good job man. I've not been trolled so hard in years.
I am not using my main name for obvious reasons, and yes i made this character for only this post, but I really am serious, let new players spend lots of money and get to the same skill level of a 8 year old player fast. And then spend more money on ships to fly.(and i do not think ships should be sold via Micro Transactions, the current system works fine let it be.) But new stuff like vanity items and skill points would be nice.
I do believe it will fund bug solving and more (and new) content for EVE spaceship game.
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Pippgirl
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 -
[1335]
Edited by: Pippgirl on 24/06/2011 23:33:35 Alright, I've been thinking. When CCP gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make CCP take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see CCP's manager. Make CCP rue the day it thought it could give the EVE players lemons. Do you know who we are? We are the people who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons.
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Mena Arzi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 -
[1336]
Originally by: Azmodeus Valar I've edited the blog to show what I think it should have said.
Quote: CCP Zulu wrote:Dear concerned citizens of New Eden
This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna, an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Iæm going to address both these issues right here.
Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
[..]
While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
We make a commitment now and forever to only use microtransactions for vanity items. The discussion in the newsletter was theoretical, and we can understand the impression that it gave. We sincerely apologize for the reaction it caused, and will insure that we consider the community before having these types of discussions again. We never should have had a debate about non-vanity microtransactions, considering the community's feeling on this matter.
Pricing structure
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about an initial offering. We agree that our initial pricing was too high, but we will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and possibly higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale. Expect the vast majority of future clothing to be in the <1000 Aurum pricing, with selected luxury items going higher. We apologize for the disconnect between expectations and reality of the initial release of items in the NeX store, but are quickly working to expand our offerings and bring it more in line with your expectations.
Hangar View
We believe that the Captains Quarters are an exciting development, and are a great basis for future gameplay options. However, we understand the interface, loading times, and performance are negatively impacting people's enjoyment of other aspects of EVE. We are beginning work on a patch to restore the original hangar view that many of you know and love. Players will have the option to default to the hangar or CQ view upon docking, with transitions available to move in between as needed. We expect that as we begin to expand the features available in CQ, along with opening stations and player driven station shops, that more of our customers will begin to use CQ regularly, while still preserving their ability to multibox and quickly access needed services using the hangar view when they need to.
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns ...
+1
Quote: Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
MORE LIES
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Auss81
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 -
[1337]
Originally by: NosubstanceHere Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:25:38 Here is an interesting read: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
This is a very interesting reading for me, as I'm also an union organizer in my profession
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Eoins Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 -
[1338]
this is just a huge troll by ccp 3/10 keep it going you might get 4/10
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javer
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 -
[1339]
we are asking for a simple yes or no to vanity items here and we get this load of bullcrap thrown after us with a big spade and a tool for messenger?
also stop saying one thing then forcing us into what you have as the perfect picture of eve most of us isnt into fps or second life type games take that as a clue for were our priorities lay -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience. |
Rattus Norwegius
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 -
[1340]
Wha?...Eh....
That is the saddest thing I've ever read.. And you spent 2 days on writing that? Supported by a team of community managers Quote: gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder
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Wow...
Reported for lack of content.
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 -
[1341]
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Keres Drakos You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?
It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).
They answered the question, you just have to read between the lines a little
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Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 -
[1342]
OP is a troll, thread locked and a 2 week forum-break for CCP Zulu.
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WolfHound Dx
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 -
[1343]
What idiotic bull**** from CCP
That kind of atitude will ruin the game
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:35:00 -
[1344]
Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 24/06/2011 23:35:09 "which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions"
Can't decide if this is just a bold PR spin attempt or if he's truly delusional....
What pathetic joke...
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XavierVE
Reasonable People
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:36:00 -
[1345]
Was hoping for a blog that would restore some confidence and faith in CCP.
This was not that blog.
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Greedy Bastage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:36:00 -
[1346]
Originally by: Gurgeh Morat Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 24/06/2011 23:09:38
Originally by: Mukutep I don't understand why some people are cancelling their subscriptions on something that might happen. As of right now there are no MT's beyond vanity when I look. CCP hasn't said there's going to be. Agreed, they haven't denied it, but lack of denial doesn't mean certainty. Seems to me like people (as usual) have overreacted.
If MT's that are more than just vanity actually show up in game, I'll be first in line to leave. But leaving over an un-verified assumption of a possibility seems silly.
You are exaclty the person that their refusal to answer that question is aimed at. If they don't deny it they are not lying. At this point in the forum rage the lack of a denial, especially in this dev blog is a 100% yes, non vanity items are on their way. This is a strategy that has been planned for quite some time. A risk analysis has been conducted. Contingency is in place for the inevitable loss of subs. However I think it happened a little earlier than expected.
The only options left are.
1) Change the long planned strategy - can't be done because they have used this strategy to acquire resources & investment.
2) Come clean now - they could do that but they would instantly lose a lot of subs, more than planned and earlier than expected.
3) Lie now & implement later. They lose 100% goodwill and get no carry over into dust or WOD.
4) String the player base along, accept the early losses and milk the hopeless romantics prepared to keep paying them until the knife is buried in their chests.
You're only fooling yourself if you hang around.
QFT
Three accounts unsubbed, for the record.
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Keyn Thror
Minmatar N.S.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:36:00 -
[1347]
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
This.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:37:00 -
[1348]
To those saying
Quote: ...but if you introduce non vanity items into the Nex then I will unsub
and
Quote: Give us an answer!
The answer has been given. Read between the lines - no denial means they are going to introduce them. The lack of admission of that fact suggests that their contingency plan didn't include the player base finding out just yet and that they need to retain as many subs as they can at least in the short term.
Don't wait until they ruin the game. Unsub now. Unfortunately there is a lot of latency in the metrics if you just unsub due to the varying lengths of subscription.
So to really make it absolutely clear to CCP. If you are not going to tolerate non vanity MT then don't login at all. Watch the server stats drop.
I mean what is the point in logging in anyway when they refuse to deny they are going to completely ruin the game you play?
In fact after this weekend and the burning bridges dev blog we are responding to, expect non vanity items to appear very quickly unless you can affect their important metrics immediately.
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Tamahra
Gallente Apina. United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:37:00 -
[1349]
Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.
because you laughed so hard or you cried so hard? Because if you read it thorougly, it pretty much resembles whats really going on right now
CCP:
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:38:00 -
[1350]
All aboard the bat5hit crazy train!
Next stop, CCP HQ
Confirming that people do indeed have enough RL money to choose a ú1000 pair of jeans instead of BUYING A FRICKING CAR or somthing...
You've lost all touch with reality. Sort it out.
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Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:38:00 -
[1351]
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Keres Drakos You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?
It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).
They answered the question, you just have to read between the lines a little
Quote: So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes
[...]
As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 -
[1352]
When was the last time a Dev actually posted in this thread? Probably all gone home for the weekend laughing their socks off.
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Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 -
[1353]
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Keres Drakos You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?
It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).
They answered the question, you just have to read between the lines a little
If you try hard to read between the lines, nothing would ever mean what it said.. Im just a returning player (re-activated my account today), and suddenly all hell's hit the fan's... I havent been involved in the run-up so I might well have missed out on some info. But using a purely logical view on the wording provided, the question "Will MT be limited only to vanity items?" .. was responded to with "Yes."
Done and dusted.. ?
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Legolas Greenleaf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 -
[1354]
Good grief, that was the saddest attempt at PR I've ever seen. For shame.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 -
[1355]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 24/06/2011 23:40:39
Originally by: CCP Zulu In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions...
To what I said earlier, I'd like to add that this sentence alone is one of the most insulting, 'in-your-face' replies I've ever come across. Man, you opened a whole sticky for people with severe hardware issues regarding Incarna! I can actually run Incarna just fine, but it seems half your playerbase is having immense problems with it, ranging from severe lag to overheating. And you punch 'em in the face with "one of our more smooth and successful expansions."? Seriously?! This is your reply?
Pann had a lot more tact. You could read in her words that she didn't know how to salvage the mess either; and she was no doubt expressly forbidden from saying anything real. But, for crying out-loud man, at least she tried!
I can only reiterate what others have said far more eloquently than I ever could: you have suffered a total disconnect from your playerbase; you are not taking any of this seriously, and instead you're p*ssing on your customers, without even the courtesy of calling it rain.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Dax Insight
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 -
[1356]
What really annoys me about this whole situation is that EVE is already more expensive to sub to than any other MMO on the market.
The arrogance displayed by Zulu is just breathtaking.
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Killajoules
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:40:00 -
[1357]
Well, at least you attempted to address the issue. But perhaps you should have waited? You're anger towards your player base is obvious in the tone of your article.
1 - Be the bigger person/professional * Yea some of these guys, your friends, are taking flak. But thats what happens when you throw a raw carcass into a wolves den. You need to remain calm and explain what the newsletter was in a neutral tone. 2 - DonÆt Reprimand your Players * Seriously, they're your customers. They don't have to take **** from you, they can act as they please and they pay to do so. You should be happy to have their business and lucky they're so passionate about the game and give you almost instant feedback. 3- You never tell your customers to "deal with it" * Lets take things back a bit, if a customer came up to complain to me years back when I was a grocery clerk and I told them to deal with it, I'd be fired before that customer had time to walk out the door. I'm not saying you have to do exactly what that one customer wants, but you need to be at least receptive and as helpful as possible, and this is not it. (Plus its a little more than one customer.)
I predict this blog will be taken down, appologized for, or expanded upon in the future. If you cut losses and simply do not re-address the situation then this leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth. Both the Players and CCP.
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Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:40:00 -
[1358]
To everyone who is unsubscribing.
Please send your spare ISK to 'Sing Xing'. I am adorable, poor and I will keep your ISK safe. And if you one day should return - I will pay you back, with interest!* So you too can afford monocles and space-boots and +10% to speed rocket backpacks and more.
Also, for the last time. The "800lb gorilla" and the "Elephant in the room" are two different metaphors, and none of them apply to the subject of this thread.
*I will not be paying you back if you return
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RoyAraym
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:41:00 -
[1359]
Edited by: RoyAraym on 24/06/2011 23:54:51 Edited by: RoyAraym on 24/06/2011 23:44:35
Originally by: Tippia out THIS!!!
and
Originally by: Seleene THIS!!!
Quoted as a subscriber-player-customer, two accounts owner.
In someway, I should call it "DE INCARNA MANIFESTO: about CCP's public relation fell".
That "smiling CEO" here and there in your videos, or blushing in the last E3 convention, about "Dust", should think about some better employees, to really survive.
... if in lesser than 24 hours nobody will show with:
- some excuses,
- any clear schedule,
- a œSorry, really, we turn back to previous NON-Incarna version, because we messed it so much AGAIN (... ahem... and THIS is not "a random new forum, BUT the game" itself)...+,
THIS from CCP ZULU will turn to be not so œ... Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous -...+ for sure...
... I keep an eye on it... with station enviroment totally turned off. (Better experience with a game ABOUT SPACESHIP)
In ANY CASE, removing of the past hangar view, with CQ, or without, the following functionality has been altered or flushed in a worse game:
- The ability to activate ships through drag-and-drop from Ship's Window to the Hangar's enviroment.
- The ability to always identify the active ship at a glance, ALWAYS at the center of my screen!!!
Because an EvE player ALWAYS wanted and will wanna play with THE RIGHT SHIP IN THE RIGHT MOMENT!!!
(Am I thinking about any player undocking in a industrial ship, instead of a combat one??? )
- The ability to always instantly access ship cargo holds through double-click menus over the ship (always at the center of our monitor... as stated above...)
- The ability to always instantly access ship drone bays and specialty-holds (ore, corp hangars, fuel bays) through right-click menus over the ship (always at the center of our monitor... as stated above...)
- àand, of course, everyone's favourite: ship spinning. The shiny things are always ONLY ships.
... can I have MY STUFFS back??? I do not like "(Fail)StarTrek Online"... and an UGLY GAME about spaceships was BETTER than this Capitain Quarter Release!!!
I wanna back EvE OnLine!!!
Keep your AURUM as you like CCP. I DO NOT CARE!
But give MY 30 bucks/month of game back like it was BETTER 3 days ago!
IMMEDIATELY!
AND DO NOT DARE TO TURN ANY REAL-MONEY-TRADE for GAMING ABILITIES!!! (Like: action standing, weapons, skills, skillpoints, any gameplay related functions/stats!!!)
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Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:41:00 -
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Quote: ôThe longer you stay the more it hurtsö Pros The Reykjavik office is very family friendly and youÆll often find children running around the office. During lunch it is also acceptable to bring in spouses and children. If you have a family and want to spend additional time with them this could be a way.
ItÆs a place where anyone can get a start in the industry because turnover in departments like QA is still rather high. The way you talk matters more than your actual experience and you can take advantage of this during the interviews.
The Atlanta office is a different place and doesnÆt suffer from the serious unprofessionalism as much as the Reykjavik office. The sad thing is that they too pay the price by seeing their work halted for years at a time to jump ship and bandage EVE up. Cons The lack of professionalism is mind blowing. Procedures that are common in other companies are not used here and considered a waste of time. There is no solid vision for EVE which leaves employees with no other option than to start work and find out what is wanted by trial and error, this is what CCP means with Agile development.
Fun game play is not a priority, promises made to investors and aesthetics are. æIf it looks good then it is goodÆ is an often heard motto. CCP is committed to use technology in EVE as well as WoD and DUST, so certain features are made and used in EVE knowing they will not be fun, nor fit EVE and no one expects them to be appreciated by the playerbase. Alienating the playerbase of EVE further. Objections from employees who point this out are waved away.
CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itÆs cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees.
Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.
Career progression is nonexistent unless you become friends with the right clique of people and use the right corporate buzzwords. Hard work is not something that will set you apart, most people work hard until they become so disillusioned as they realise it makes no difference and slack off.
Combine this with the below average pay (CCP pays 30% to 50% less than other companies) and youÆll often hear a lot of frustration when work is discussed outside of the office by people who have been here for some time. The longer you stay the less you start to care about the game you develope, because no one else does. Advice to Senior Management Recruit very senior people from the games industry and actually listen to what they say. Stop believing your own hype.
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agram tabris
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:41:00 -
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hi,
first of all: has the CSM been able to check out this devblog before release? (and give you few hints how to respond?)
second, let me say that i'm usually not a forum warrior - i'm not sure if i posted 10-15 times since started playing back in 2005 - but i'm reading here regulary.
so whats this all about? -first there is a ****storm - reasons: see yout latest eve release and discussions it caused. -then ccp pann, after nearly two days, posted sth like a short apologize, announced a devblog which will adress all our concerns and asks us to discuss on the given topic. -then today, after over 200 pages and 5k posts (dont want to repeat all the questions asked in those threads/posts), ccp zulu released the mentioned blogpost.
this devblog comes down to sth like: -we at ccp produced an awesome and successful expansion, unfortunately you (the players) were given access to a leaked newsletter. -this newsletter is not the opinion of ccp but of those people writen them. no matter what those people stated there, you (the players) should not be mad with us/them. -the nex store is selling awesomness. those are exquisite gameitems and should be compared to RL luxury goods. -during time we plan to offer cheaper but also some more expensive items there. -thx for reading this devblog; now your main concerns should be answerd, please go on.
let me comment that. i'm not sure how to address and answer all those questions - even if only 5% of all posts contains a question worth asking there is a ton of answers to be given. unfortunately it seems you (CCP) didn't do your homework; let me try a comparison: if you were deaf,blind on one eye and could only see about 60% on the other you could not miss those threadnaroks out there!!!!
this devblog gives nearly no new information, no answers, no apologize to at least calm down some overheated players/forum warriors. instead it gives us even more reason to be upset. if you read it a bit more closely on the arguments/explanations there(if there are any at all) and notice the way it is written it's insulting, not to say disgusting. its a shame!!!
this devblog screams: "we don't give a **** about you and your opinion!!!" and "if you can't afford it you're not rich enough!" i'm not sure what would be the best way to write an appropriate devblog/response, but you sir (ccp zulu) are definetely doing it wrong!!! even your comparisons with 1000$ desiger-brand jeans or golf players (leaked newsletter) show us that some of you ppl seem to need an extensive reality check!!
just few more things: -having opinions is one thing. standing behind them an another - once you speak out something of this scale you can't simply row back and delete it from peoples minds. and it doesn't matter if you do it publicaly or in private - in public it's called "coming out"; it shows your real nature. -those f****** on financial reating agencies also use to hide behind the statement that their ratings, which ruined whole countries, were only their opinions. -btw. i know icelandic banks were hit hard by the financial crisis, but i newer tought you're in such need for cash.
ps: i'm not sure that volcano up there only spit some ashes into the air back then..there could be also sth. else in the air..something that makes normal people lose their sanity.
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Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:41:00 -
[1362]
Originally by: Divus
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Keres Drakos You still haven't answered the main question on everybody's minds: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS?
It would appear not: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 (near the bottom).
They answered the question, you just have to read between the lines a little
Quote: So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes
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As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy.
Yes.. But that would be strategy with regards to the pricing of vanity items... Read it again with an open mind :)
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Lira Reib
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:41:00 -
[1363]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
No, they won't. Answering our concerns would mean promising no MT for win, and the failure of anybody at CCP to do that single, simple thing proves that it's going to happen.
You want to address our concerns? Get hilmar out here, on his knees, begging, promising no MT ever and explaining how the corporate culture responsible for this travesty will be fixed.
Until then, **** you too. My three accounts run out in july and august.
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Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:42:00 -
[1364]
Edited by: Shandir on 24/06/2011 23:44:52 I think *if* there's one thing that was right about the devblog is that yes, we shouldn't single out individual devs and request that they DIAF. Some of them are probably just as unhappy as we are. It's crossing a line (Hey, just like MT!)
Oh, also - can those players who've payed for the next 3 months get a refund please? -
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Lord Cath
Amarr Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:42:00 -
[1365]
the whole EvE experience is turning out to be a bit like this :
you buy a GPS system. It serves you well for years and you get to your destination without any problems. You're a happy person, because you get what you pay for. You get even more then you pay for, because this particular brand cares about its customers and updates the maps twice a year and gives a lot of free and handy apps.
All of a sudden, the company forces you to install a firmware update, which turns your GPS system into a jar of faeces. "What the hell", you say, "I dont want this update, I want my trusty GPS back". To which the company replies :
"LOLOLOL, HTFU, WE NO LISTEN TO U RETRAD"
We paid for an awesome MMO, which was sold to us with the promise of being awesome, different and special. Don't be surprised we're ****ed off when you want to turn it into something nobody wants and nobody signed up for...
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Belloche
Caldari Pegasus Battle Group Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:42:00 -
[1366]
Originally by: Republica Winder Edited by: Republica Winder on 24/06/2011 22:47:53 Thank you, Zulu for a blog that actually answered every question we needed answered.
And guys, before you flame me, he actually DID. From this "blog", we now know these things:
1. There ARE going to be non vanity RMT items. They won't say it because they know this will only cost them MORE subscribers sooner. What is clear is CCP is set on their path, there is nothing we can say or do, short of unsubscribe in enough numbers as to send them into receivership that is going to change this. RMT is here and it's here to stay. Everything you read in the newsletter that you don't like is on it's way. Don't like it, LEAVE, it's coming.
2. CCP isn't going to lower the prices of the RMT items because they consider it fair to charge more for a virtual piece of clothing than a real piece of clothing costs. Indeed, they are so convinced of this Zulu mentions that EVEN MORE expensive items are on their way to the cash shop. From this you can infer that player made clothing is never coming, think they are going to allow YOU to compete with their $70 eyewear and $30 skirts? Don't like it, LEAVE, it's here to stay and you are only going to get MORE of it.
3. The station interface isn't changing. Incarna is everything they hoped for. Blown video cards and such represents what they consider to be a flawless patch day customer experience. Don't like the interface? You can turn it off (for now) but see that DOOR in front of you, take it as a hint, LEAVE.
4. Fearless. Zulu, fearlessness isn't a virtue. There are animals out there that are fearless. One such is called a lemming. It will fearlessly follow other lemmings right off a cliff. That is exactly what CCP is doing in forcing these unwanted changes on us. You are doing so fearlessly, following everyone else who added RMT.
Fear is a very important emotion. No, one shouldn't be ruled by it, or give into it. But it helps you make better decisions. Fear is a warning. Fear stops you from doing something really dumb. Some fears are healthy fears, such as, fear of God, fear of "will I have a job in 6 months if everyone is actually angry enough to QUIT over this?"
You get the picture.
As I said, this "blog" told us everything we actually need to know: What is here is staying, there is going to be more of it, and YES, RMT will touch every aspect of the game. We either like it, or leave.
I vote we leave.
5 subscriptions canceled, and I won't be coming back.
Good luck, CCP, in either replacing us with enough new players with deep pockets, or in finding new jobs over the next 6 months.
Goodbye, EVE, it was great knowing you. I am honored to have played with two of the greatest player bases ever (SWG and EVE) in the two best sandbox games ever (Pre-CU SWG and EVE). Unfortunately in both cases the publisher got greedy, decided to not listen to the people who merely make their livelyhoods possible, and pressed the SELF DESTRUCT button.
Well said. +1
It needs repeating. I am not going to stick around and pay for them to implement anything pay to win in the NEX shop because by not addressing it, CCP Zulu has confirmed that it is coming.
Players have totally LOST faith and loyalty in CCP. My faith in CCP might return SoonÖ[orange] but I doubt it.[orange] |
Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:42:00 -
[1367]
I haven't finished my reply on the threadnaught yet.. I can't seem to get the wording right, this game just means a lot to me.
This blog however, basically states the internal document was a newsletter designed to start/continue a discussion. That's fine. I don't believe it's just that, the section on pages 8-9 show a clear intent to introduce non vanity items for AUR, but if you say so.
But this took 2 days?
Swing and a miss, strike 2. One more and I'm out.
Ignore me
Drone Guide EON 21 & 22 |
Dealth Striker
Caldari Striker Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:43:00 -
[1368]
Thank you for finally putting out a blog. Unfortnately, that blog was pretty bad considered what it contained and how long it took to come out. Given what it discussed, that could of been put together yesterday. I would be ashamed to put my name to it.
It appears it is now a battle of Wills. CCP vs it's player base. Do not need your economics Dr. to run the numbers on how bad this situation can turn out.
Your comments about Incarna rollout is pretty naive.
Communication is key ---------------------
Communication is Key! |
Gabrial Jobs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:43:00 -
[1369]
Answer the question we all want answered: Will MT ever be used to gain an in-game advantage. Until then your poor communication skills do nothing more then fan the flames.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:43:00 -
[1370]
Angry Players: WTF are you selling gameplay items? oh and cq sucks and monocles are too expensive.
CCP Pann: we know your angry give us a day we'll answer your questions.
Angry Players: ARE YOU ****ING SELLING GAMPLAY ITEMS?? oh and cq sucks and monocles are too expensive.
Dev Blog: cq is awesome, oh and monocles are fashionably expensive.
ANGRY PLAYERS: WTF ABOUT THE F*CKING GAME BREAKING CASH SHOP?????
CCP Zulu: oh we know, we where just... ummm... testing you to see if you remembered. We'll have more on that later. ------------------- piccy |
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:43:00 -
[1371]
Edited by: NeoShocker on 24/06/2011 23:44:41 Irrelavent post. I want a post from the CEO (aka Hilmar), what his goals and direction for the complany and for Eve-Online, not a post from a peon CCP. Sick of it. Only then, there wouldn't be "we" as CCP, but rather "I" from the CEO.
I want to trust CCP. I went to trust Hilmar as much as I trust Gabe from valve (and 275+ games purchased from them). ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:43:00 -
[1372]
Originally by: Dax Insight The arrogance displayed by Zulu is just breathtaking.
It was indeed! I'm sure he must have been wearing a clown outfit when he typed that.
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Zolacar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:43:00 -
[1373]
This
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LookAway FarSky
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:44:00 -
[1374]
Very few rich people, including billionaires, would ever be stupid enough to pay $1000 for a pair of jeans. That kind of stupidity belongs to people, who, if they are rich, aren't rich for long.
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Gerdan BloodELF
Minmatar D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:44:00 -
[1375]
This blog it makes me very sad, will be considering my subscription thoughout the day. I wanna love the game but CCP wont let me. I only play now for my corp and alliance mates.
For Questions or to see my chars Join my Channel
Gerdan's bazzar |
Pippgirl
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:44:00 -
[1376]
Originally by: Killajoules Well, at least you attempted to address the issue. But perhaps you should have waited? You're anger towards your player base is obvious in the tone of your article.
1 - Be the bigger person/professional * Yea some of these guys, your friends, are taking flak. But thats what happens when you throw a raw carcass into a wolves den. You need to remain calm and explain what the newsletter was in a neutral tone. 2 - DonÆt Reprimand your Players * Seriously, they're your customers. They don't have to take **** from you, they can act as they please and they pay to do so. You should be happy to have their business and lucky they're so passionate about the game and give you almost instant feedback. 3- You never tell your customers to "deal with it" * Lets take things back a bit, if a customer came up to complain to me years back when I was a grocery clerk and I told them to deal with it, I'd be fired before that customer had time to walk out the door. I'm not saying you have to do exactly what that one customer wants, but you need to be at least receptive and as helpful as possible, and this is not it. (Plus its a little more than one customer.)
I predict this blog will be taken down, appologized for, or expanded upon in the future. If you cut losses and simply do not re-address the situation then this leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth. Both the Players and CCP.
This! Everyone with some clue about CRM knows this!
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Hildulfr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:45:00 -
[1377]
Edited by: Hildulfr on 24/06/2011 23:48:44 Just a thought....
Dear concerned citizens of New Eden
This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Iæm going to address several issues now.
Fearless
While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
Pricing structure
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store. Being new to micro-transactions the NeX store will be a learning experience for CCP and the player community. Prices will be adjusted as we look at items and sales. How much money will players spend on clothes, glasses, rings, and various vanity items? We don't know. How much will you being willing to spend? I think it's something all players will have to think about it. The industry has shown that a small percentage of players will spend large amounts of money on vanity items, and other won't. As we gather information, new products with both higher and lower price points will be made available. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
Will there be more than vanity items?
Absolutely. Not going to dodge the question. Looking at the industry most games offer more than strictly vanity items. The key here is sell items and services that do not break the sand box or the player economy. Most players would agree we don't want to allow players to "buy success". Ships...no, players build ships. Guns, no..players build guns. Skill points....maybe...we've all at one point wanted to speed up getting the skills for a new ship, but you can't sell 5 million SP do a new player because they won't know what to do with it. An older player maybe a 1 million or 2 million SP boost with a limited number per year...maybe. Loyalty points and faction standing...again a possibility. A +1 or +2 boost to an attribute permanently or for a short period of time....a lot of questions to be asked and explored. Developers, players, and the CSM will all help with these decisions.
The Future
The industry and games change and CCP and EVE must change also. The growth of quality F2P games and games with subscription options has made that clear. Our expansion beyond EVE into DUST and WOD is a commitment to trying to meet the future and grow CCP. We have a lot of ideas and technology at CCP and yes, EVE is a way to test some of those ideas and technology but we will never compromise what EVE is....a sandbox full of space ships. We are committed to making New Eden a better world.
I urge everyone to use the forums to continue to express what you think we have done right, and what we have done wrong in a constructive and courteous way.
Thanks
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Los Quinton
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:45:00 -
[1378]
NEW HOT SINGLE COMING SOON!!! NEW HOT SINGLE COMING SOON!!! NEW HOT SINGLE COMING SOON!!!
F THEM OTHER CUSTOMERS by Snoop Dogg, C-Murder, Mr. Magic, and CCP Zulu
NEW HOT SINGLE COMING SOON!!! NEW HOT SINGLE COMING SOON!!! NEW HOT SINGLE COMING SOON!!!
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Ion Kirst
Caldari KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:46:00 -
[1379]
CCP,
I have just about played EVE, everyday for 2-3 hours, for over 3 years. I want to join those people who love this game, and want to keep playing as long as I can. You may not care, but I'm 60 years old and still work full time.
We don't need a third monetary system. There was isk, and then you jumped on the plex bandwagon. I have not, and will not buy plex. So that means I won't ever have any aurum, thus my characters won't have a monocle. Who is God's kingdom thought a monocle would be cool anyway?
In Singularity, you gave us 3 plexes to use. Things could be purchased for 1 or 2 aurum. Turn in a plex and we got 3500 aurum. We don't need fancy shoes, or skin-tight pants, or "comando" pants (is that anything like going comando in a kilt?), or an $80 monocle. That was OK on a test server.
I've turned off the load CQ enviroment to appear, and so I have to stare at a door. That is really OK, I don't need to see my character walk around in a room doing what is really nothing. So I can continue to run missions as I usually do. We should have the option of turning those screeens off or on as, or if, we needed them.
Do not expand any other items that will have to be paid for with aurum! Don't do it! Remove aurum from the game. If it's going to cost me more money to play this game then I may have to quit too. I should only have to pay for things that I earn in the game, I shouldn't have to go outside the game to buy things in the game. The subscription fee is enough.
I am outraged by your use of the word "****storm". Because we voice our negative opinion, and with good cause, you reduce it to that. Yes, as it's been told to you before, that is pathetic. What a slap in the face you gave us.
CCP, you may want to play the tough guy, and cram this stuff down our throats. Oh, I get it, if you cave in now, where will it stop. But, we could end up losing a game, but you could end up losing your jobs.
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Malak Artoo
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:46:00 -
[1380]
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
This.
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Bieber Fever
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:46:00 -
[1381]
Clearly the best PR is to insult the customer and address no issues.
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Shandir
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:46:00 -
[1382]
Edited by: Shandir on 24/06/2011 23:46:56
Originally by: agram tabris first of all: has the CSM been able to check out this devblog before release? (and give you few hints how to respond?)
Yes, Trebor said the CSM told them this devblog would get them flayed, and they posted it with no major changes.
http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/black-friday.html -
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:48:00 -
[1383]
CCP, if you can't read these posts and make some sense of it all, you've clearly lost touch.
Originally by: Calypsa Aeurelieus Almost 50 pages already. People can claim that people are over reacting, this is my first post in the comments, and will be my only one until further Dev. statements.
To the guys/gals who say players are over-reacting... let them over-react. They are paying for something that has become, for many of them, an integral part of their daily routine. It's the small creature comforts in life like our hobbies and our friends that allow us to plow through all the other crap in life.
The bottom line is people are truly disheartened. I'm not saying EVE will fail, in fact I hope it doesn't, but the MT clearly isn't the right answer for "this" community. I've came from other MMO's based on MT that have a crowd that is accepting of such.
Look at where EVE has came from since it's beginning. It's made leaps and bounds, and made a fine profit from it. However it is human nature to always want more, and sometimes the developers, and perhaps the players in some cases have to realize that less can be more.
All in all I hope that things will eventually cool down. MT is truly a game breaking mechanic for THIS game. Maybe not for all, but for EVE it can't happen. It will upset the natural circle of things. I do hope the developers at EVE will take this weekend to think long and hard about what steps they can take to rectify all that has happened.
They have created something that could be easily stopped by showing us proof that MT won't happen for non-vanity items. Also, my one post in the other huge thread was in regard to Zulu's blog. Honestly Zulu, I don't know you from Adam, and I'm not going to call you names, curse you out, or anything, but you and I both know you totally avoided what needed to be said, whether it was because you are hoping it wipes away, or you were told you couldn't say anything. You are high enough in the structure that your input counts, but your position isn't much without a crowd base. EVE is your corporations primary source of income at this point, and until the other games you are trying to develop become successful (1 of which is highly dependent on EVE remaining successful), we are your main source of funding. Don't neglect that now, or later.
This is a firm player base and tight community that has been built. Players young and old are uniting under one banner, I'm half tempted to go thru this thread and the other main thread to see how many have un-subbed. Perhaps if you have 400k total accounts (Heard this in a recent interview), you can afford to lose some... but if you are like most business you run on a profit margin with prospected good and bad quarters, and I can assure you that if you follow thru with MT your quarters will continue to go down.
I've already made this post much longer than I originally planned, not out of anger, or hate, but simply out of pittance. I've never found a community quite like EVE and it would be a shame to see it go to waste for the sake of money. In the end, money can only get you so far... remember your roots CCP, remember the promise of a new breed of an MMO, and continue to live up to that promise even in the face of the F2P MT MMO's that are springing up all over.
Regards,
Calypsa
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:48:00 -
[1384]
Wow what a waste the wait for this dev blog was.
They seriously trying to double down on this insanity.
They just locked in the fact i will never spend money on them ever again.
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Tuscor
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:48:00 -
[1385]
I rarely (in fact never)post in the forums. Just want to say though- answer the damn question!! Don't ignore us. Its so effing annoying when you ignore the elephant in the room.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:48:00 -
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Zulu, now that I've calmed down to a certain extent, some food for thought.
Fearless: I think a lot of people expected you to attempt to paint the leaked newsletter as a harmless non-official discussion platform. Unfortunately, you almost constantly underestimate your customers. There was a lawyer in CCP Pann's vague non-apology apology thread who spotted immediately what that newsletter was: a vehicle to convey executive decisions and policy in the form of a discussion of that policy. You claim that CCP Soundwave and CCP Diagoras were given the task of taking two opposing viewpoints. That may well be true, or not, but it doesn't change the fact that Soundwave's point of view was extremely insulting to us, your customers. Calling us the Golden Goose was not something that made him many friends. Thinking about charging for minor services such as an increase to the the 50 ship fitting limit borders on extortion. What next? Pay to log in with less wait, perhaps?
But the biggest omission on your part was your and CCP's almost constant refusal to give a straight answer to the pressing question of whether we would indeed be paying for in-game advantages. Instead you used ridiculous marketing language "messaging" to avoid giving a straight answer. This is what made even those less able to read between the lines think that the newsletter was more than just a discussion platform for internal strategy.
You need to answer that question directly and not try to placate people with long, empty sentences. Players are angry because they already pay a fair amount to CCP each year, and to us, it only looks like you want even more.
The Noble store: Your analogy with real life clothes was simply vacuous. Virtual clothes and vanity items in a computer game are not real. There is no comparison. The prices at which you released the initial articles were simply ridiculous. You wrote about a conflict between expectations and reality in that passage, but what you didn't write about was how you managed to actually arrive there. How could you have such a level of disconnect with us, your customers? Do you really need thousands of people cancelling their subscriptions to see that you've lost touch?
And all of this doesn't touch any of the other sore points that have been raised: - Why was CQ released in such a poor technical state, so bad that it's enough to physically damage relatively modern hardware and making dual or more client installations unplayable? - Why was the old hanger view completely deleted when it was originally supposed to be optional? You know many, many of us do not want CQ, or want it as an option at best. And yet you persist in the name of some vague immersion principle that looks more like you forcing your (lack of) vision and competence on us because we wouldn't otherwise use it. - What is the final charge and terms for 3rd party developers using your undocumented API, what you now call a "free" service? Vacuous claims of needing to control your brand sound more like you trying to smother the same player creativity that you so vaunted only a short while ago. - Why are we still waiting for an explanation of how the initial launch of the new forums managed to pass a supposed security audit? - Why are you banning players who have done so much for the community instead of listening to their well founded anger?
You make a big thing about being fearless and transparent, but in the end you come across as yet another generic corporate game studio unable to find its way to the toilet, let alone formulate a vision that is innovative while you bumble from one technical failure to the next, repeating empty mantras to avoid listening to the wishes of your customers. That is us, by the way, or in my case, was us.
This game was about spaceships, but now all it seems to be is about drama and obfuscation.
I wish you lots of luck in the future. This is your NGE moment, and you're going to need it. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 8 days. |
Prester Tom
Genco
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:48:00 -
[1387]
CCP, please go through any and all internal communications and replace the word "customers" with "community"; we are Eve, never forget that.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:48:00 -
[1388]
Originally by: CCP Manifest To be frank, I am amazed this page loaded. Zulu should be along shortly if he's not already here.
Guess you'd better get a new computer.
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Fakespace
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:49:00 -
[1389]
... Facepalm
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:49:00 -
[1390]
"Our expansion is great, stop picking on CCP employees who write dumb **** in a newsletter, and our cash shop prices are fine, scrubs."
What a completely worthless blog. I'm not even in the frothing mad camp, but this was trash. --- "The data does not support that polished quality sells better than new features." -Nathan Richardsson, Senior Producer at CCP |
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Needa3
Minmatar BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:49:00 -
[1391]
CCP LIES
CCP SCAM
CCP RMT'S
Bring back real PVP
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:49:00 -
[1392]
Originally by: Bieber Fever Clearly the best PR is to insult the customer and address no issues.
I'll do you one better - first scold the customer for having insulted them. THEN insult the customer.
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:49:00 -
[1393]
From glassdoor:
"EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago."
It's pretty clear. I suggest you get out while you can.
Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu |
Esme Calladine
Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:50:00 -
[1394]
I guess Zulu will now be spending the weekend sitting in a hot tub, wearing $1000 dollar jeans, surrounded by Icelandic models, lighting cigars from burning GTC's?
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Kiamerin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:50:00 -
[1395]
You are now breathing manualy.
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Laine Todako
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:50:00 -
[1396]
Originally by: Killajoules
3- You never tell your customers to "deal with it"
Computer science people and IT guys are often notorious for having a negative score of customer service and +100 arrogance. I have seen this first hand many times so this is pretty usual. Vote with your wallets.
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Mindseamstress
Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:51:00 -
[1397]
Here is how things probably are:
CCP have gone out to raise capital to pay for the staff they need for DUST and what not. In doing so, they drew up a business plan with the help of some third rate bankers and consultants with little or no knowledge of the subtleties of this particular MMO.
In order to pay for their financing they now need to deliver on this business plan, which includes increasing profits in a hockey stick-like manner over time. RMT would be a key part of making these profits real.
So in other words, there is no turning back...
Come on give me some brownie points for hitting the nail on its head! lol
Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
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Mena Arzi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:51:00 -
[1398]
Originally by: Malak Artoo
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
This.
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WCPistolPete
Gallente MacroIntel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:51:00 -
[1399]
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
Made me lols. Thanks.
-- {WC}PistolPete "...going to take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up." Homer Simpson
Unsubscribed until further notice. Lurking because no one can turn away from a train wreck. |
Hiro Logos
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:52:00 -
[1400]
I decided to put my money where my mouth is. I cancelled my 3 subs today. They run out in varying amounts of time, but unless there are some substantial changes, I won't be resubbing. If you're trying to figure out which accounts were mine, here's the feedback I sent when I cancelled:
"Please read http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
I wasn't really playing much anymore, just changing skills occasionally while life kept me busy.
There have been other complaints in the past about the game, and I've more or less ignored them. I wasn't a bitter vet, I was willing to see how things turned out.
Turns out, I feel like CCP has completely lost touch with their own game. I don't like the direction things are going in. I thought walking in stations would be great, but instead I get captains quarters (I play alone?) and very expensive microtransactions.
Maybe I'll resub if things seem like they're improving. If the past year is any indication, probably not."
It's been a lot of fun playing with everyone in Eve. Here's to hoping CCP can get their house in order.
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:53:00 -
[1401]
Originally by: Mindseamstress Here is how things probably are:
CCP have gone out to raise capital to pay for the staff they need for DUST and what not. In doing so, they drew up a business plan with the help of some third rate bankers and consultants with little or no knowledge of the subtleties of this particular MMO.
In order to pay for their financing they now need to deliver on this business plan, which includes increasing profits in a hockey stick-like manner over time. RMT would be a key part of making these profits real.
So in other words, there is no turning back...
Come on give me some brownie points for hitting the nail on its head! lol
Clearly correct, but the hockey stick formation is unlikely to occur if half the subscribers leave and the remainder don't ALL purchase the hell out of those noble exchange items (continuously, for years).
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Jongo Fett
Caldari Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:53:00 -
[1402]
Really disappointed with CCP, in the past they have provided an excellent service with great communication to their players, suddenly this has totally changed round for no apparent reason its almost as if you just don't care about us any more. Normally i would defend CCP, but in this instance its really hard to.
Also while were comparing eve items to RL, i presume if we spend $60 dollers on a vanity item in Eve we will get a matching item for real life.
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NosubstanceHere
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:53:00 -
[1403]
Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:53:47 Posting this one last time to insure more people see this: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Anyways I'm done, I'm tired of this ****.
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Leonard Ashcroft
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:53:00 -
[1404]
Originally by: WCPistolPete
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
Made me lols. Thanks.
I can't get the picture out of my head of Leonidas from 300 screaming THIS IS INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Zeko Rena
Caldari Tankt
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:54:00 -
[1405]
Why are virtual goods being compared to real goods as an example, i might spend $60 on pants in real life, but i would be hard pressed to spend $16 on pretend pants in a pretend game, no mater how ****ing cool they looked
Also the rest of that blog is pretty head up ass material --------------------------
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Imuran
Zentor Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:55:00 -
[1406]
and it took how long to put that together?
Need a clear and definitive statement on the future of microtransactions
Need a response on station environment
Not a response that is frankly bordering on the insulting
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Irn VanBru
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:55:00 -
[1407]
this blog is utter bull****, it gives us no answers at all !
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:55:00 -
[1408]
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
Oh God.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:55:00 -
[1409]
If Zulu is an example of the brains behind the operation, I'm beginning to understand why there are these problems.
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Tla Atij
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:56:00 -
[1410]
$1,000 jeans.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?
If I buy $1,000 jeans, I get a pair of jeans. If I buy 15 monocles for (15x70) $1,000 I get... absolutely nothing. As per the TOS/EULA, all in game items are CCP's property, not mine. So I really do get nothing. I will have nothing new. Nada, zilch, zero, not an ounce of new property. $1,000 out the window. I will not be wearing them either, a character will, which isn't my property either.
I understand paying a subscription fee to meet and have fun with the people of eve, but why would I want to give you $1,000 for 15 monocles? U MAD?
Also, are you planning to sell power-items (ie non-vanity items) in the NeX?
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:56:00 -
[1411]
Originally by: Bieber Fever Clearly the best PR is to insult the customer and address no issues.
They know people have invested a lot of time in their characters and would be reluctant to leave.
Doubt you'll hear much until Monday now and by that time they'll be hoping that much of the anger has exhausted itself.
Items that give advantages are coming, why because they could easily have cleared up this mess if they wised to do so by answering that question and they've had plenty of time to do so.
Also the timing of this thread was deliberate so that you'll wear yourself out debating it in this thread so that by Monday hopefully you care less about it.
Items that give advantages generally sell better than just plain cosmetics ones, we call it greed they'll just say that's business.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:56:00 -
[1412]
CQ is still forced, old hanger view or mass quit MT still not confirmed to be vanity only, confirm that no cash shop item will be usable outside of a station No confirmation that incarna will be optional, if i dont want to be a ***got in station, then don't make me, let me dock, let me spin ships and reload guns, let me undock, if i want to get out of my pod i will if not STFU and sell eve to a company that will care.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 24/06/2011 23:59:57 Don't just unsub.
The Subscription metric has a lot of latency. Some of you have months or even up to a year of playtime - by then what will eve be?
to make any difference at all you have to hurt the metrics now.
There is one other metric they care about - server stats: logins.
Do not login to Eve & watch the server stats fall, that is the most immediate message you can send to the management. They don't listen to what you write on the forum, only what the graphs tell them.
If you object to non vanity MT - DO NOT LOGIN!
Edit: How do you do Big & Yellow?
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Kyoshisan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:57:00 -
[1414]
For some reason this song comes to mind F**k you
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Smoke Adian
Caldari League of Gentlemen
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:57:00 -
[1415]
Edited by: Smoke Adian on 24/06/2011 23:58:30
Originally by: Kynder Furlow "Will MT be limited only to vanity items?" .. was responded to with "Yes."
Done and dusted.. ?
Yes, they did promise that - you are correct. This whole s***storm is because the internal newsletter revealed that CCP is lying to us and is very actively considering rl money for everything from ammo to ships - something that a LEAD DESIGNER SUPPORTS.
So the issue is that they promised one thing publicly, but are secretly plotting behind everyone's back and now they are defending this soundwave idiot who is propagating this "money for in game advantage" mentality we were promised would never effect EVE.
I hate how CCPE people keep saying soundwave was just doing what he was asked. First of all why are they promoting someone whose business philosophy is at complete odds with Hilmar's and all prior public statements.
Secondly, why didn't soundwave have enough integrity to say "no thanks, we've specifically promised to NEVER GO DOWN THAT ROAD, so I'm not going write out that argument in an attempt to sway the employee base towards that direction".
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Tsubutai
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 -
[1416]
I cancelled my accounts a few hours before this blog was published. Having read it, I'm feeling all shiny and validated and stuff. Thanks!
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 -
[1417]
Originally by: Gurgeh Morat Don't just unsub.
The Subscription metric has a lot of latency. Some of you have months or even up to a year of playtime - by then what will eve be?
to make any difference at all you have to hurt the metrics now.
There is one other metric they care about - server stats: logins.
Do not login to Eve & watch the server stats fall, that is the most immediate message you can send to the management. They don't listen to what you write on the forum, only what the graphs tell them.
If you object to non vanity MT - DO NOT LOGIN!
Erm, cancellation asks for a reason. Do you suppose the message you supply will only be sent to relevant places in 6 months when your account expires?
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 -
[1418]
Originally by: agram tabris first of all: has the CSM been able to check out this devblog before release? (and give you few hints how to respond?)
I understand many of the current CSM members have checked in with a "Yeah, we saw it, offered a ton of changes, the only thing they did was yank an even more inappropriate analogy." That is, btw, heavily paraphrased. Although... damn it makes you wander what could have been worse about that blog.
Originally by: agram tabris i'm not sure how to address and answer all those questions - even if only 5% of all posts contains a question worth asking there is a ton of answers to be given. unfortunately it seems you (CCP) didn't do your homework; let me try a comparison: if you were deaf,blind on one eye and could only see about 60% on the other you could not miss those threadnaroks out there!!!!
this devblog gives nearly no new information, no answers, no apologize to at least calm down some overheated players/forum warriors. instead it gives us even more reason to be upset. if you read it a bit more closely on the arguments/explanations there(if there are any at all) and notice the way it is written it's insulting, not to say disgusting. its a shame!!!
To be fair... CCP Manifest (IIRC?) spend hours in the multi-hundred page former thread, telling people he was reading carefully and compiling notes. Now... obviously those notes never made it to CCP Zulu. But somewhere in the CCP offices there should be a list of complaints the playerbase has with the current corp. vision. Or maybe it got chucked in the trash as not meeting with the corporate vision. It's highly possible CCP corporate thinks we're simply outliers who can safely be ignored, and therefore our subscription numbers are not worth addressing.
Originally by: agram tabris this devblog screams: "we don't give a **** about you and your opinion!!!" and "if you can't afford it you're not rich enough!" i'm not sure what would be the best way to write an appropriate devblog/response, but you sir (ccp zulu) are definetely doing it wrong!!! even your comparisons with 1000$ desiger-brand jeans or golf players (leaked newsletter) show us that some of you ppl seem to need an extensive reality check!!
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 -
[1419]
Edited by: Alexis Sachs on 24/06/2011 23:58:46
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Bieber Fever Clearly the best PR is to insult the customer and address no issues.
They know people have invested a lot of time in their characters and would be reluctant to leave.
Doubt you'll hear much until Monday now and by that time they'll be hoping that much of the anger has exhausted itself.
Items that give advantages are coming, why because they could easily have cleared up this mess if they wised to do so by answering that question and they've had plenty of time to do so.
Also the timing of this thread was deliberate so that you'll wear yourself out debating it in this thread so that by Monday hopefully you care less about it.
Items that give advantages generally sell better than just plain cosmetics ones, we call it greed they'll just say that's business.
Agreed, but my anger is not going to magically vanish over the weekend.
And you know what, as I said in the 200+ monster thread I kinda feel this is an all hands on deck situation. Screw your weekend plans CCP people - damage control mode is ON! This is not the time to hole up in your 1k jeans being elite and :awesome:
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Tyr Vanagandr
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 -
[1420]
Edited by: Tyr Vanagandr on 24/06/2011 23:59:06
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Aztlanar
Gallente Salus Novus Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:59:00 -
[1421]
10 days left on my last active account, its been fun 0/.
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Slaervis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:59:00 -
[1422]
Dear CCP,
In the two years I've been playing EVE I have become very fond of it. I think you guys have been doing a great job on a lot of things. Untill yesterday I thought I'd never stop playing EVE, however now I've decided to quit if and when the Aurum-thing gets out of hand.
Using real money in a game through plex is not something I like but I understand the black market has pushed you to it. However, Aurum has only one purpose: feed your wallet, so be carefull what you offer with it. (remaps, skillpoints, standing,... are definitely on my blacklist) I'd rather have you increase my subscription cost with 25% if you guys really need the money.
That's my opinion, but I'm am not the only one. I feel a large part of this community is begging you to listen and take their concerns seriously. This is the kind of thing that might crash an MMO of this size.
This dev blog does not answer our concerns. One question remains: ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ONLY ITEMS FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS, AND IN WHAT MANNER?I understand answering this question is not easy and might take some time, but I believe it is in the game's interest to make your stand and make it clear to the community.
Sincerely, a concerned player.
ps: please forgive me any typo's
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Levarr Burton
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:00:00 -
[1423]
I normally love and appreciate your devblogs, even the technical ones that I don't understand. I love to read about changes happening in the game, and how and why those changes will be undertaken.
This devblog, however, is useless and insulting to your player base.
Much like many of the recent expansions, this devblog focuses entirely on "fluff," while ignoring the real, pertinent issues.
This devblog tells me that either your PR team is incredibly clueless, incompetent and illiterate; or you believe your customers are so pants-on-head that they can't tell their own anus from a hole in the ground.
It should be telling you something when the devblog, spawned by a 210-page (and counting) threadnought produces its own 40-page (and counting) threadnought within hours of being posted.
Let me tell you, CCP, what this devblog does: -It denies the problems related to rolling out Incarna, including: a borked Mac patch (which was known about prior to release, yet was still pushed out to prime-time) which required the complete re-download of the client, and the nearly 5-hour extension on the planned downtime. -It denies the, near universal, performance issues your users have experienced with Incarna, on all supported platforms. -It implies that the disappointment with the prices in the NeX store are somehow the fault of players expecting prices in-line with other, existing MT stores, and not a failure of communication on your part. -It implies (mistakenly) that (in CCP's understanding) the main source of frustration with the patch IS the high price of goods in the NeX store; rather than the poor performance and quality of the content provided. -It implies that we as customers have no right to be concerned or upset when CCP says one thing to our face, and then actively discusses the exact opposite in its internal documents.
What this devblog has NOT done: -Clarified, in the slightest, CCP's position on what the future of MT is going to be in EVE. -Shown that CCP understands that it is the (justified, apparently) worry that MT will creep into aspects of EVE beyond vanity items which is causing the most anger and anxiety, not the high cost of the initial (lackluster) batch of items. -Acknowledged that Incarna is not functioning particularly well on a large percentage of your customers hardware. Even though all these hardware issues were raised during testing.(let's face it, it looks like crap, 1/4 CQs, takes forever to load, and it runs extremely poorly even on high-end hardware - I like the turrets, though) -Given insight into why such an unfinished feature such as CQ was allowed to go prime-time, rather than using the Incursion method of several smaller patches to introduce the new content AS IT IS READY. -Acknowledged that the current Incarna UI is less functional than the previous in-station UI, or enlightened your user base as to what is being done to rectify that situation. -Shown that you recognize why there is such an expectation gap between what we were promised ("sup customers, can't fix anything that's broken, because everyone is making Incarna AWESOME") and what we received (brown, muddy textures that crush high-end graphics cards, and clipping problems that other games resolved in 1998). -Apologized for how poorly this situation has been handled up to this point.
There, I even made it all point-form like for you, CCP. In ur engineering, fixin' ur warp core. |
Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:02:00 -
[1424]
Edited by: Sakura Zendragon on 25/06/2011 00:03:16 (nevermind... please delete)
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ilove fallout3
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:02:00 -
[1425]
Edited by: ilove fallout3 on 25/06/2011 00:09:07 Dear CCP, i write this with concern and love for this game and i realize the words are harsh, but they do hold TRUTH.
CCP committed SUICIDE and they dont even know it.
I'm gonna start with the Noble exchange. NOBODY GIVES A ****!!! $70 for a monocle is ******ed but nobody cared that much about the prices because they were so outrageous that nobody bought it. It just showed how outright stupid you are when it came to this sort of thing, and im glad that newsletter got leaked. Now we know what you guys were planning on doing.
Off to CQ! OK, make the damn thing OPTIONAL! It slows my client down to 15 FPS and im running a high quality laptop with and NVIDIA card in it. So i said, "Oh look, you can turn it off!" So i did, and i got the big **** YOU door. That was nice, not only did u make something that was functionally useless and messed up our FPS, you also decided that if a person wanted to play without lag that they could screw themselves for all you cared.
That newsletter was not a series of opinions, and you know it. You said in the Newsletter that: "The question of virtual good sales is not 'to do, or not to do?' Rather, it's 'how do we do this?' " Now im no english major, but that is NOT an opinion by any means. That was a clear and defined statement, and an absolutely foolish statement at that.
I used to brag about EVE, how great it was, how it was DIFFERENT than any other game i played, no MT in the game i loved, and that's why i LOVED it. I wore an EVE-online shirt to school some days and i would get approached by random people that asked about the game, and i told them what the game was and i encouraged them to play it. Well, not anymore. I hope that you show up to Comic-Con so i can give u a piece of my mind personally, and i want a high level staff member there too.
Trust takes years to build and seconds to destroy. And what u did to us CCP is called LYING. And you only do this so that u can work on your ******ED other projects that will somehow, you hope, make u money.
And worst of all, money wont make you happy, and your not going to have money when we rage-quit because the game that we love has been destroyed by greedy people.
I dont think you get it, YOU WORK FOR US, we are your financial backers, and if we were the stockholders in your company, we'd fire any of you that were on this little MT boat.
So, what can you do CCP? You can start by ELIMINATING the Noble Exchange and all of that MT bull****. Gone, forever, never to return. I want, no, i DEMAND a written agreement from all of the people who work on EVE to NEVER have MT enter this game. Not any way, not any form. And for CQ, give me the option to disembark from my ship. Make the content of CQ so good that i want to leave my ship. Because right now, it sucks and all it does is cause my client to lag.
Start focusing on Internet Spaceships, what made this game great. The past 3 expansions have done nothing but cosmetic fixes that have done 0 to why we play this game. I want more PVP focused releases that helps to drive this game and the economy.
Nobody is going to play a game that they feel does not interest them, no matter how good it looks.
Yes it's a business, but its OUR business, and the sooner you wake up to smell the torches burning in your yard, the better.
With hope and concern, Fallout
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Delphina Amaranthus
Amarr Cypher Industries. Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:02:00 -
[1426]
CCP Zulu...
I think you've been buying too many pairs of $1000 jeans.
I agree with the link posted on the first page of responses...the response by Citrute.
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Recon0
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:02:00 -
[1427]
@CCP,
So you give us a useless expansion, introduce microtransactions that everyone knows will expand into non-vanity things like skill points, and you honestly expect the players to like it? Just how far from reality are you?
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Aionez
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:02:00 -
[1428]
We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
ARE YOU ****ING NUTS
GET RID OF THE SIMS IN SPACE ... WE WANT PVP
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Diablo Ex
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:02:00 -
[1429]
Clearly the Butterfly has left the Sandbox.
Unfortunately, I'm at this point paid ahead for the next 3 months. If I unsub at this point I would be burning almost $45.00 in unused Plex, which has been already put towards my subscription. I seriously doubt that any unused portion will be paid back. Forget getting another red cent out of me though. When the time runs out I'm not going to renew, period!!!
The only thing of any real value in this game is Time Spent training skills. If you can't recognize that then go ahead and buy your BLING Things. Unfortunately, CCP Zulu spoke VOLUMES in what he so shoddily avoided, and that's Pay2Win Game Breaking MT's. You know it's coming, and I know it's coming, so I'm gone.
CCP YOU HAVE 3 MONTHS TO PROVE ME WRONG, But I think the FAILSCADE has already began, You don't have 3 months.
________________________________ I want a button that will force you to undock out of the station so I can shoot you.
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Xarolith Speedstrike
Angels Templar Anarchy.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:02:00 -
[1430]
So this is the answer that we get? No really, is this the official stance from CCP? Because if it is then this is not only reflecting poorly on the company, but now the door is open to kick things up a notch as it were.
First off, letÆs start with pricing even though that THIS IS NOT THE MAIN ISSUE AT STAKE. We as the player base should, if we choose to do so go into the NeX and be able to pick things out that define us better without breaking our wallets. If I was to give a fair price for the monocle I would say $7.50 (RL Dollars) should be its price. Why $7.50? Let us use your logic of people wanting to pay more to look nice as an example. So we know that in time we can spend 350 million - 400 million isk in getting a plex, in the real world that would be enough for 10 generations to live very comfortably, but in real life translates into $14.95 a plex. Lets use 400 million for our example.
Now in this example letÆs say you as CCP develop a vanity item that gives our avatar an Iphone, and letÆs say it is modeled after the World's most expensive Iphone which currently stands at 8 million dollars in Real Life Cash. Well if we want to look as nice in game as we do out of game, I might as well get my hands on this Iphone right? So how much should it cost to get the equivalent of 8 million dollars in real life? so 1 Plex = 3500 Aur which in turn means that 1 Aur = $114285.71 isk And to get a real life equivalent would then be 80 AUR to by myself this Vanity Item, not 12000 AUR to by a Virtual Object. And the cost of 80 AUR is... equivalent to $.19 -.25 dollars (233.33 AUR per dollar Ratio). And that is what I would say should be the rate at which they charge for NeX Items, but since that is unrealistic how about low end items at $.25 and high end cost $2.00 an item.
If you were to use those prices and those numbers, not only would this fix a problem, but chances are this would bring in more revenue then charging $60.00 for buying glasses that is missing the other half.
HOWEVER! The NeX Prices are not the problem here, the main problem is the fact that in the "Fearless" Brochure you were bringing up non-vanity items. While I do agree that in some regard it is a good idea to discuss controversial topics, but DONT DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, PERIOD! By doing what you did not only have you ostracized the players, you have also unequivocally thrown the CSM under the bus. And on top of that if I recall correctly the player base did vote on the NeX in the CSM portion of the forums and everything that I saw was NO, and yet you still continued to talk about this behind closed doors continued to implement it even when we the players voted NO on the subject. And one last thing for this part here, a person's opinion affects their judgment and character and the things that a person can and will do in real life, so even though it can be that someoneÆs opinion that X Y and Z are bad, they will always take action that will reflect their opinion that X Y and Z are bad.
So part two is that you have betrayed the player's trust by pulling this stunt. But it doesnÆt stop there with the mere suggestion of non-vanity items being tossed around you as a company have scared/ ****ed/ [Insert Negative Emotion here] for a huge part of the player base who understand this game completely and realize the implication of tossing this language around behind closed doors. And trust me it scares me a lot as a veteran of this game. If CCP were to implement Non-Vanity items it would break what makes EvE special, which is a player run world with little to no interference from the Developers and by implementing non-vanity items it would take the sandbox that you have given us away from the players.
However, in the end all I can do is hang on for as long as possible and hope that non-vanity items never appear in the game. And if they do, is the day I will leave EvE for the last time.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:03:00 -
[1431]
Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Gurgeh Morat Don't just unsub.
The Subscription metric has a lot of latency. Some of you have months or even up to a year of playtime - by then what will eve be?
to make any difference at all you have to hurt the metrics now.
There is one other metric they care about - server stats: logins.
Do not login to Eve & watch the server stats fall, that is the most immediate message you can send to the management. They don't listen to what you write on the forum, only what the graphs tell them.
If you object to non vanity MT - DO NOT LOGIN!
Erm, cancellation asks for a reason. Do you suppose the message you supply will only be sent to relevant places in 6 months when your account expires?
No because your account is cancelled at the time you cancel, but existing time left on the account is still honuored. It probably just sticks the reason on some daily report somewhere.
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Thayne en Welle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:03:00 -
[1432]
Wow...just...wow.
The biggest uprising in EVE history, forums filled with rage, mass cancellations...and...that...is the response?
Could have saved time and simply said "No, you are all wrong. We know what you want better than you do"
So glad I canceled.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:03:00 -
[1433]
Edited by: TZeer on 25/06/2011 00:03:31
Quote: We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
When did a 200 page rage-thread, about concerns regarding non-vanity items with actual game changing abilities, turn into people being passionate about their clothing???
Seriously CCP? Are you so stuck up and out of touch with the community that you are unable to read what is put in front of you?
Crack is bad for you mmmmkay.
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Hieronymus Alexandre
Fashionable Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:03:00 -
[1434]
Posting just to do my part to keep these complaints from being dismissed as a "vocal minority." I've been around long enough to see many vocal minorities and none of them came close to this.
As far as the pricing issue is concerned, Zulu's argument is ridiculous. In the EVE world, capsuleers are gods among men who think nothing of tossing around money in amounts that would shame a planetary government. Even the poorest newbie could afford to strut around in a solid gold tuxedo.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:04:00 -
[1435]
Originally by: Smagd
Erm, cancellation asks for a reason. Do you suppose the message you supply will only be sent to relevant places in 6 months when your account expires?
Not at all, but do you think the CFO or upper management read those? Also as I said before, they are expecting some unsubs, but undoubtedly are relying on the heady, addictive properties of Eve that was to ensure you keep playing and eventually accept their BS
If you can show them that you can break the addiction and they see the server utilisation dropping like a stone they will take notice.
You do realise under utilisation of their hardware affects their bottom line right?
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Stormseige Adraelia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:04:00 -
[1436]
Edited by: Stormseige Adraelia on 25/06/2011 00:06:39
Originally by: Reid Lutman To those having hardware problems: People complaining of broken hardware need to contact their hardware supplier or upgrade. No hardware pushed to it's limit should break. You have to expect that over time hardware requirements are going to increase and so will the burden on your hardware.
Out of all the screaming this caught my eye the most. If your hardware has failed it had nothing to do with the incarna release I build machines and I understand a little factor called hardware tolerances. The gear you put in your machine:
1. Must be compatible with every other piece in the machine 2. have all the appropiate updated drivers (this is never the case with straight out of package software for the hardware) 3. must be properly seated in the machine and the machine should be cleaned regularly a.k.a. blow the dust bunnies out.
A less known fact is heat destroys components over time this is where you go "How long have I had this video card in my machine?". I recently replaced my video cards before incarna because they died on me have not had a major issue with incarna itself yes some minor **** like being stuck in station without functions after a clone jump "relog" or the ever present this CQ was not designed for that station failed interfacing "relog".
If you just bought the item and put it in your machine and it fails scream at the manufacturer not CCP.
I would also like an answer about the non-vanity item sales because if eve turns into a pay to win game I will go the **** back to wizards 101. I don't play eve to "pay to win" I play eve to enjoy an very rich dynamic environment in which there seem to be endless posibilities instead of "plug in cartridge play levels 1-50 unplug cartridge find a new damn game".
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:04:00 -
[1437]
I want a refund on my account. I bought a year ahead. Id rather have that money back now honestly.
I will not be buying dust. I will not support a CCP product going forward ever with real money after this response.
I will be giving my stuff to my corp mates, so dont ask its already spoken for.
I wish i could vent how i really feel but getting banned isnt worth it.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:05:00 -
[1438]
Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.
because you laughed so hard or you cried so hard? Because if you read it thorougly, it pretty much resembles whats really going on right now
Laughing at the sheer brilliance with which this has been summarised. And then crying.
that is pretty much how I felt when I pressed "post reply" and saw it posted.
success because I manage to portrait the issue how it seems like, and then I felt somewhat depressed because it really is how it seems like.
pete's sake, in almost 8 years of gaming this is pretty much the biggest can of huge freakin' mutated blood-sucking flesh-eating worms CCP has ever opened.
T20 incident? pebbles on the side of the road boot.ini? a pothole the size of your index finger and as deep as the nail of your thumb. the "new forum"? a mild rash. Incarna? a nuke, a meteor falling, volcanos exploding and 2012 falling on your head.
at the same time. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:05:00 -
[1439]
Originally by: zulupark successful expansion
You know what, I'm gonna call shenanigans on this one. Not only is it too early to tell for sure, it's a really shaky statement to make.
The deployment itself took only half again as long as initially announced. This is nitpicking of course.
Incarna as a GUI is quite poor. It actually removed functionality compared to the previous expansion, it is more resource hungry and nothing in it can really said to be achieved quicker than using the existing 2d interface layered on top of Incarna.
Incarna as a gameplay feature is sparse, and that's speaking kindly.
Incarna as a means to attract new players to Eve leaves a lot to be desired. Considering that whatever you are trying to attract them AWAY from most likely already has more substantial gameplay than what Incarna currently represents all you can offer is better visuals. While The Captain Quarter isn't ugly, what it displays is hardly competitive compared to what's on the market right now. So that leaves the OTHER 99.9% of Eve gameplay to keep this potential new player entertained, and if they weren't attracted by that to begin with... Well you see were this is going.
Now you may insist that Incarna is a necessary first stepping stone towards something that potential customers will be attracted to. You may argue that Incarna is an expansion for the fledgling pilots out there and nothing for the veterans to freak out over. While I think it's a fair point I'm gonna preempt that by asking a simple question.
If it's not a feature for experienced players, why oh why are you making it mandatory for us?
Regarding the Noble store all you have to do is release some sales figures to set the record straight. If the Eve community really wanted this then you should have had a busy couple of days counting aurum, right?
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:05:00 -
[1440]
So. I've read the blog post.
First, I agree that the vilification of CCP Soundwave is uncalled for, over the top, excessive, etc. I understood what that issue of "Fearless" was from the start. It was obvious that he'd had been asked to, or had volunteered to, play "Devil's Advocate". (I do that quite a lot, because I've learned that if I think I understand all sides of an argument, there's a good chance I'm wrong.)
Now, my concern: "Pay to win". I don't care about micro-transactions, or macro-transactions, for vanity items, except that I want some to be affordable and appealing to me personally, and nothing in the Noble Market is either. I understand the points that CCP Zulu makes with regard to pricing, though I don't agree with him; something that costs $70+ isn't a micro-transaction any more, it's 4-5 months(!) of game time equivalent.
However, nothing has yet addressed the "pay to win" concern that the leaked issue of "Fearless" creates. The reason that this leaked issue of "Fearless" creates such concern is the timing. Either someone seriously wants to torpedo EVE Online, or someone truly believes that CCP Soundwave was echoing the "party line" inside CCP. "Pay to win" (anything that circumvents in-place game mechanics for someone willing to haul out a credit card) will, if implemented, be the death of EVE, and (I believe) very quickly.
I've already adopted a "wait and see" attitude, but the first hint of anything that conveys even the slightest in game advantage will, as far as I'm concerned, be the end of EVE Online as a game I want to play. I will give away my stuff (no, you can't "haz" it, it'll go to in-game friends), sell my toons (someone might as well enjoy them), give away that stuff, and cancel my accounts.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:05:00 -
[1441]
I may be wrong, but I think I just read CCP Zulu telling the playerbase to go **** itself...
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:06:00 -
[1442]
First of all, the very fact that your newsletter was leaked to the public by one of your own (who should be promoted, by the way) would tend to indicate to many of us that they, too, found the message it contained to be opposite of the core values CCP built Eve around - destroying the very sandbox that Eve is by attempting to replicate what every other MMO on the planet is doing.
Has CCP stopped to remember that they're not the typical MMO? Have you guys even played any of the other MMOs that are out there? You do realize that CCP attracts a very distinct crowd because it is one large sandbox where players, ultimately dictate the direction of their own game play in any of many complex directions. You lose more people to complexity than you do to your half-baked ideas. So, given that you have and attract a very different crowd of people than any other MMO on the planet, and CCP used to brag about that, why would you even attempt to replicate what other MMOs are doing? Do you honestly think barbie clothes are going to attract the kinds of players other MMOs do?
As for the newsletter content... Creating such dissent inside your own organization is progressive and helpful? Pitting extreme views one against the other muddles down in the end to... what, exactly? The half-assed smooth delivery of lack lustre patches is what. And if you consider everything you broke with Incarna, being more than the last 2 major patches combined, as being 'the smoothest' then you, my friend, need to cut back on the booze some. Sobriety will shed light on your confused little mind.
I do not buy $1000 jeans. I don't know anybody in the game that buys $1000 jeans... and I've met lots of people since 2004. I don't even know people in real life, in the middle of a global recession soon to turn global depression, that would even consider buying $1000 jeans - and I ain't no broke ass b!tch either and neither are the people I know. How aburd can you be to even compare a handful of pixels to that of a designer jean anyway? A designer jean is a tangible asset. I can wash it, wear it, cut it up into little $100 strips if I so choose, sell it, trade it, get mugged for it, or get it caught in the wheelwell of a semi truck rolling by and be dragged down the hill in it. What can I do with my virtual pixels? Nothing. It's not a tangible asset. I can look at it (ooo pretty) and I can trade hard earned real money for it. What do I get? Prestige? Dear God man... prestige isn't gotten in this game by wearing silk panties - prestige is gotten in this game by shoving two fists up each others asses and ripping out the intestines of your foe. You made Eve that way, and now you want to turn it into rainbow bright and call it prestige? Again, a little less booze mate... a little less booze.
I want WIS, don't get me wrong, I've wanted it since you teased us with it in 2008. But I didn't want nor expect the Noble Exchange or a handful or ugly items being sold for *more than real clothes* under the guise of 'they're designer. The exude prestige'. And we all know where this leads - the MT will envelope and eventually dumb down Eve so that the average WoW player can pay to win. The sandbox will be broken, the shoving two hard-earned and well fought fists part will be gone, and all that will remain is your precious rainbow bright barbieville and a handful of WoW-types jacking each other off for Aurium.
I also didn't expect my video card would overheat. I didn't expect turrets to not show up, brackets to be wrong, corp window to get totally nerfed, black screens, inability to run multiple clients, loss of ship spinning in favor of some dumb rusty door we can't even get through to begin with in CQ, the outright lies and deceit of your company and this GD lipstick you keep rubbing all over this pig. It ain't getting any prettier.
I do hope CCP figures out they're headed the wrong way before it's too late to save the core principles of Eve. But I bet you'll be abandonware instead
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Playing Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:06:00 -
[1443]
Edited by: Playing Eve on 25/06/2011 00:07:15
Originally by: Shuu Naifu
Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?
I can tell you now what the vast majority of players have to say about the people whose characters are wearing these clothes. They think they're stupid. They think they are gullible, mindless twits for bending to these prices. Not only that, but there are widespread plans to gank these players.
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.
I am one of the players excited about Incarna. CQ is a little disappointing, but there is still potential for awesomeness. That said CCP's responses today leave me wondering about their vision for Incarna. We are told, and I believe, that Incarna will be great for immersion. However, at the moment, with CQ, the only way to really "get into" Incarna content is through avatar customization, and you really botched it. You want to people to be excited about Incarna and CQ, but then you post that customizing your avatar should be like buying $1000 pants and having everyone laugh at you and consider you a fool or worse.
Sure, you say there will more NeX stuff that will be cheaper, but you really missed your chance here, big time. Even for a beta, the number of items was too few. If you really want NeX and Incarna to be desirable, you'll eventually want 1000+ items in there ranging in price from Free to around US$5 or so. For a beta, there should have been 50-100 in that price range. Why free? To get people in the NeX door. "Where'd you get those cool shades?" "Free at the NeX!" Then they go in and see these other shades for just a dollar. Now and after Zulu's blogpost no one even wants to go to NeX or be seen wearing something from it.
Instead of sparking interest in avatar customization, you've killed it.
(Lack of other complaints in this post does not imply that I don't have any others.)
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Kovorix
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:06:00 -
[1444]
Edited by: Kovorix on 25/06/2011 00:06:39
Originally by: Hieronymus Alexandre Posting just to do my part to keep these complaints from being dismissed as a "vocal minority." I've been around long enough to see many vocal minorities and none of them came close to this.
Posting to do the same - I'm not exactly furious but I also don't want to see this pushed under the rug. I also unsubbed and have 22 days left, I will give CCP that much time to fix this but if they remain silent I will not renew.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:07:00 -
[1445]
Originally by: Alexis Sachs Edited by: Alexis Sachs on 24/06/2011 23:58:46
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Bieber Fever Clearly the best PR is to insult the customer and address no issues.
They know people have invested a lot of time in their characters and would be reluctant to leave.
Doubt you'll hear much until Monday now and by that time they'll be hoping that much of the anger has exhausted itself.
Items that give advantages are coming, why because they could easily have cleared up this mess if they wised to do so by answering that question and they've had plenty of time to do so.
Also the timing of this thread was deliberate so that you'll wear yourself out debating it in this thread so that by Monday hopefully you care less about it.
Items that give advantages generally sell better than just plain cosmetics ones, we call it greed they'll just say that's business.
Agreed, but my anger is not going to magically vanish over the weekend.
And you know what, as I said in the 200+ monster thread I kinda feel this is an all hands on deck situation. Screw your weekend plans CCP people - damage control mode is ON! This is not the time to hole up in your 1k jeans being elite and :awesome:
Your anger won't go away but time usually reduces it.
They're playing games with us atm, kind of a form of cc.
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Lynn Deniera
Caldari The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:07:00 -
[1446]
Talk about an insulting devblog...
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EmmaHezzaRaea
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:08:00 -
[1447]
You know...if you'd have just stuck to vanity items and lowered the prices you could have made money hand over fist. Hell...you could have sold paint jobs from existing ship models and people would have paid a small fee for that. Roden Shipyards Megathron paintjob anyone? Maybe you like the way the paintjob on the Widow and you'd like it on your Navy Issue Scorpion? Want to paint your Golem up like a regular Raven to throw potential gankers off? You wouldn't have even had to do any design work...but No...you just went balls deep full ****** and completely jumped off the deep end.
You are just OUT OF YOUR MINDS if you think people are going to pay 68 bucks for a gray skirt or a monacle that makes it look like your toon has a butthole on his skull. In THIS economy (HI...you do live on this ACTUAL planet right...EARTH I mean...the Earth of REALITY?) most people won't and a lot CAN'T pay that for REAL skirts and pants! People are struggling these days if you hadn't noticed...unless iceland is just immune from everything that's going on in the world.
Even so...I can ignore your ridiculous unrealistic ideas of pricing on your stupid toon bling (given the choice...I'd rather wear a dreadnaught for that much money) because I can simply choose not to buy it and at those prices it isn't a hard choice.
As for your dev blog - complete crap and NO...I hate to dash your HOPES but you did NOT answer ANYBODY'S questions or concerns...go straight to jail and do not pass go.
The "Let's pretend we didn't see the question 5,000 times in the threadnaught and maybe they'll stop asking" tactic is NOT GOING TO WORK.
Stop jerking us around and trying to gloss over the real issues!
And you better do it fast because your bleeding subs and I know of at least 5 you're gonna lose REAL soon if you don't.
-Ryan
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:08:00 -
[1448]
Originally by: zulupark successful expansion
So you are calling an expansion, that raises ragenaughts with 6000+ posts and >500.000 views successfull ? Damn D-Day was really a victory for the Germans then...
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Lord Khelben
Amarr Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:08:00 -
[1449]
Zulu, I've already seen others link this article, but I'm going to link it as well so as to increase visibility and perhaps actually get someone at CCP to read it. Seriously, read it. It's articulate, intelligent, and fully explores the "s.h.i.t.storm" you mentioned in your recent post.
Here are my own views.
Originally by: CCP Zulu - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions...
Do you play EVE?
Incarna is not a successful expansion. It sucks. It's buggy as hell, and shipped with well documented bugs that you ignored. Please fix it, and please start playing EVE so you actually know what you are talking about in the future.
You say:
Originally by: CCP Zulu I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
But then when people point out that you didn't address anything whatsoever you say:
Originally by: CCP Zulu To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
So which is it? Are you or aren't you talking about the elephant in the room as you said in your own words? Or are you confused, thinking that the issue is about what Fearless is? Because I assure you, nobody cares about what Fearless is or isn't. Stop trying to divert the discussion from what's really important.
Originally by: CCP Zulu doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Those elusive "constructive and focused" conversations you crave happen all the time in the forums you operate. You should try using your own tools to your advantage. What's stopping you from initiating a focused conversation in the forums?
Finally, an observation.
CCP, as a business, has a relationship with its customers. Like all relationships, it is based on trust and communication. What you are seeing now, as a result of your incapability to maintain trust attributed to your mal-intent, incompetence, and/or apathy, compounded with your extremely poor communication skills, is this: your customers are, in effect, filing for divorce and taking the kids with them. This is exactly what is to be expected in any kind of relationship, be it a marriage or a business, when you continually say one thing but do another; when say you appreciate and listen to feedback but repeatedly prove otherwise with your actions; when you carelessly do things that have drastic effects without talking about it first; and then, at the end of it all, when the yelling and shouting has commenced, are clearly more concerned about your wounded ego than the problems that have stacked up leading to all of this in the first place.
What did you think was going to happen? You've time and time again said "we won't do game-affecting microtransactions" and then we caught you looking at it. You aren't even supposed to be looking at it. The fact that you have a history of not communicating, ignoring feedback, and using TQ as a test-bed for things when you have a perfectly capable test server to do that for you, heavily weighs in on why your customers are finally fed-up. This isn't your first time, and based on your track record, it won't be the last. That is exactly why hostilities are so high.
I imagine that if you had a great track record of taking in feedback from your customers, actually listening to them, implementing it well, and testing features well on a test server before deployment, this kind of "oops" wouldn't be a big deal.
But it is.
Because it's coming from you.
Now sack up, grow a pair, and admit that you can do better and will do better.
And then prove it or more people will "reset" CCP in their personal standings.
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Akira Zendragon
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:08:00 -
[1450]
(Full post here: http://pastie.org/pastes/2118574)
'Evening CCP Zulu and everyone else,
After I read the Dev Blog just posted I was quite ****ed off, but I've gone and had a quiet smoke in the meantime...
Here's what I'd like to say about the Dev Blog and all the stuff that's been going on here:
- Your customers are concerned about several things, but one above all: "Are you moving beyond vanity MT items?". If you had to address ONE concern, this was it, and I believe addressing it in an honest and forthcoming manner would have greatly contributed to defusing this situation.
- Instead, you open your blog by saying "[...]Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous". Can you honestly say that in good consciousness, after all the reports of overheating, bad performance, patching issues, etc? It immediately sets the wrong tone, and tone is a big thing in such a tense situation.
- You then address the newsletter, but miss, or avoid, the elephant in the room, which is CCP's plans for EVE regarding microtransactions. This is akin to throwing gasoline on the already raging fire. It addressed no actual concern of the players (and let me hit this key again: the paying customers).
- Finally you address the NeX pricing concerns by using a metaphor which is completely inadequate, because we are dealing with purely virtual goods. CCP has yet to present any sort of realistic explanation for these prices, which are completely out of sync with the rest of the industry. The overall image you transmit here is one of snobbery or dellusion, depending on the reader.
- Overall the Dev Blog ends up sending the wrong message. CCP comes out, again depending on the reader, as either tremendously arrogant towards is paying customers, or dellusional and disconnected from reality. Either way, the only reaction that one could legitimately expect from this is a further escalation in tension, protest and rage.
As someone said in one of these threads: Perception is Reality. Right now the perception of CCP is one of of arrogance, greed and even outright incompetence. Players are feeling exploited like cash-cows and completely disrespected. You might legitimately find that the situation does not warrant all of this rage. But you have perfect information about CCPs plans. You may thing a lot of this is misread by players or due to miscommunication. We do not have all the information regarding the issues we are concerned about, so our perception is our reality, however unjust it may actually be to you or to CCP.
CCP's image and reputation have taken a tremendous amount of damage in these past days, and so far, the actions of CCP representatives have done little to heal that damage, and quite a bit to aggravate it and the community. Honestly you should have gagged all CCP staff on twitter and a tighter control on what they say on the forums, because there have been a few rather unfortunate comments here and on twitter that only made things worse.
The bans, while likely 100% within the rules, EULA and TOS, were fuel to the fire. Would it not have been better to stay the ban-hammer for a few days and then deal with those situations quietly and after this storm passed? CCP wrote the rules, there is probably enough latitude in the enforcement of those same rules to allow for tact in a delicate situation.
(Continues...) --- Akira Zendragon |
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Ubiquitous Newt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:09:00 -
[1451]
...you know what? I'm putting my money where my attitude is - I just canceled my subscription, specifically over this dev post. Terrible, terrible unprofessionalism like this shouldn't go unpunished.
Paid my $15: saw your new content & wasn't impressed, mined some 'roids, ran some missions & found a wormhole, CONCORDed some .5 PC pirates, and sat around wishing I had a corp big enough to see much of 0.0 space. Four days into my re-subscription, I think I've done all the important stuff. The main things to do now are all grinding. Yuck.
I want to reiterate - your expansion is lame and processor hogging, your MT idea blows, and I'm specifically canceling, right now, because of this dev post. ...Don't ever think that we won't put our money where our mouths are, because we will.
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ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:09:00 -
[1452]
Seriously guys just unsub its not worth the time arguing with them anymore its CCP's way or the highway. I choose the highway good game CCP you win.
Quite frankly CCP I find your dev blog insulting I have never owned and can not afford to own $1000 jeans maybe you can? Also in that leaked internal newsletter it is clear you see us all as small money banks (not human begins) willing to give to your cause its disgusting and you have the audacity to moan about some of us dragging certain CCP individuals through the mud. You seem to also think it is ok to mislead and lie to people as well. Oh I get it is one rule for you and another for your customers.
Goodbye CCP such a shame really it had to get to this.
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Khaed Duhn
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:09:00 -
[1453]
As with many people here I have been playing for years and only recently started posting during this time of crazy, and I have to say that if this is the reaction we're getting please remind me exactly why should I waste my spare time and money on CCP as a company ?
As a side note the personal attacks and general over the top arsehattery is in no way justified under any circumstances, bar maybe a CCP Dev breaking into my house to eat my babies and sexify my breathing holes with a Cthulhu themed sex toy.
Back on topic though that Dev post can best be described as smug and clueless, I've always had a soft spot for the general good humour of Eve Devs please for god's sake don't kill that in the face. I've already had to own up to Santa not being real this year; to loose my love for Eve Devs too in the same year I may end up doing something stupid like going off to play WoW, and you don't want that on your conscience now do you ?.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:09:00 -
[1454]
Originally by: Katra Novac
Your anger won't go away but time usually reduces it.
They're playing games with us atm, kind of a form of cc.
QFT: Exactly what they are relying on.
DO NOT LOGIN if you disagree with non vanity MT
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:09:00 -
[1455]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel I may be wrong, but I think I just read CCP Zulu telling the playerbase to go **** itself...
That was pretty much what I took away from it.
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Persephone 66
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:10:00 -
[1456]
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
Who are you kidding here? Really? How stupid do you think anyone reading this is?
Comparatively speaking, in game you have people wearing outfits that cost more than their fully pimped out and customized luxury car of choice. Not exactly an accurate reflection of reality. Also, in reality, we have sewing machines. So if you want to bring reality in to this, where's my sewing machine? I can make battlecruisers, why can I not make pants?
Moving on, you have an accessory, a ****ing monocle, that would cost me 4 plex to make the Aurum to purchase it. That's 60 US ****ING DOLLARS!!!! That's the cost of a new game. A WHOLE ****ING GAME!!!! NOT SOME BULL**** ****ING IN GAME VANITY ITEM THAT PROVIDES NO ADVANTAGE.
Epic fail, CCP, epic fail. ----- Give me ISK and I'll leave you alone. |
niroshido
Caldari Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:10:00 -
[1457]
Originally by: EmmaHezzaRaea You know...if you'd have just stuck to vanity items and lowered the prices you could have made money hand over fist. Hell...you could have sold paint jobs from existing ship models and people would have paid a small fee for that. Roden Shipyards Megathron paintjob anyone? Maybe you like the way the paintjob on the Widow and you'd like it on your Navy Issue Scorpion? Want to paint your Golem up like a regular Raven to throw potential gankers off? You wouldn't have even had to do any design work...but No...you just went balls deep full ****** and completely jumped off the deep end.
You are just OUT OF YOUR MINDS if you think people are going to pay 68 bucks for a gray skirt or a monacle that makes it look like your toon has a butthole on his skull. In THIS economy (HI...you do live on this ACTUAL planet right...EARTH I mean...the Earth of REALITY?) most people won't and a lot CAN'T pay that for REAL skirts and pants! People are struggling these days if you hadn't noticed...unless iceland is just immune from everything that's going on in the world.
Even so...I can ignore your ridiculous unrealistic ideas of pricing on your stupid toon bling (given the choice...I'd rather wear a dreadnaught for that much money) because I can simply choose not to buy it and at those prices it isn't a hard choice.
As for your dev blog - complete crap and NO...I hate to dash your HOPES but you did NOT answer ANYBODY'S questions or concerns...go straight to jail and do not pass go.
The "Let's pretend we didn't see the question 5,000 times in the threadnaught and maybe they'll stop asking" tactic is NOT GOING TO WORK.
Stop jerking us around and trying to gloss over the real issues!
And you better do it fast because your bleeding subs and I know of at least 5 you're gonna lose REAL soon if you don't.
-Ryan
soon enough they will be selling handjobs or blowjobs on the streets of Reykjavik so they can feed they're pet tigers wearing there 1000 euros tiger jeans from japan.
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:10:00 -
[1458]
Im absolutely discussed by this reply from CC Zulu,
you are more or less telling all of the eve players that you couldnt give a monkeys about us and that this is the reality deal with it,
nor have you answered the single most important question asked that has been spammed over and over and ****ing over again will MT progress past vanity items,
are you just illiterate?
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Akira Zendragon
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:10:00 -
[1459]
Edited by: Akira Zendragon on 25/06/2011 00:13:10 Edited by: Akira Zendragon on 25/06/2011 00:10:55 (... continued from http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537164&page=53#1570)
A lot of the rage, I believe is because of another type of perception: It seems like you and other CCP representatives are so disconnected from the playerbase and the game that you simply have not yet understood the nature of our concerns or the sheer size and gravity of this situation. Again, this might be incorrect and unjust, but again, that is the image you transmit and the perception we have.
I don't expect the past few days have been easy over there, with this great storm just after the stress of deploying a major expansion. I'm sure many in CCP are quite aggravated by some of what's been said here, and rightly so in many cases. But your Dev Blog, and several interventions of CCP staff, are letting those feelings through, and end up piling more crap on this situation. Unfair as it may be or feel, please try to be the bigger person here and keep the tone friendly.
I played EVE in 2006 and 2007, and then took a break because of RL. I returned a few weeks ago excited to see all the new stuff I'd missed. I was around for the T20-gate, saw the coming of Revelations and Trinity. And while CCP's communication with players was far from perfect, I never once questioned CCP's respect for it's customers.
Sadly, I cannot say that anymore.
I like the game. A lot. I've been in Eve University almost all of my "career". It's an amazing bunch of people doing an amazing thing. To me, the fact that something like Eve University exists in EVE, and has existed for so long, is a testament to what you've been building here. Don't ruin this amazing sandbox over a few $$, please.
Best regards,
(Full post here: http://pastie.org/pastes/2118574)
EDIT: CCP Zulu, just saw your post on this thread. I hope the next blog addresses the elephant in the room, it should really have been the first thing to clarify, IMHO --- Akira Zendragon |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:11:00 -
[1460]
And I want to know what idiot signed off on this dev blog as an official response. Do you not have anyone with common sense working at CCP?
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:11:00 -
[1461]
Originally by: Smoke Adian Edited by: Smoke Adian on 24/06/2011 23:58:30
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
the internal newsletter revealed that CCP is lying to us and is very actively considering rl money for everything from ammo to ships - something that a LEAD DESIGNER SUPPORTS.
The lead designer dont support it. The lead designer knows precisely what would be bad for EvE, when asked to play the role of Gordon Gekko and being the devils advocate to present viewpoints and ideas from that standpoint, he so did quite brilliantly, getting the right gekko tone and everything. An internal document, for CCP employees all over the world. To read and cause discussion. Its got to be realy clear. Making extreme standpoints comeout more extreme, just for the heck of it. "Gordon Gekko Edition" <-When will people read this for that it means, and read "Greed is Good?" with the questionmark attached?
They sadly choose EvE as their arena for debatting about MT, because all of CCP are familliar with her. But they need this discussion for dust and WoD, noone but a few knows where thoose are going: So they use EvE to get the debate going, presenting some extreme points in an even more extreme text because its got to be realy clear.
And yes, hopefully they will clarify their blog and say 'No' since most people can read and grasp the meaning of one word at a time.
I myself wouldnt be felling bad if they introduced 'Faster skilltrain on your coming 1m sp' for newbies(up to 10m sp) and the like. Newbies realy need to feel they are actually progressing.
I will quit when they announce 'ships for aur, paintjobs with +3 locked targets bonus'. But until then, do not judge them for their toughts and using an arena they all know well to make it easier to discuss.
/V
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:11:00 -
[1462]
How to tell if somthing is wrong in EvE:
The playerbase agrees with each other.
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Meatay
Night Theifs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:11:00 -
[1463]
Who won't quit?
http://i.imgur.com/xAhS9.png ----------------------------------------------
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The Geoman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:13:00 -
[1464]
To CCP Zula and others,
Incarna is something that I've looked forward to for some time. I am eager to see the direction that the game may take, now that we've opened up this new frontier. I agree, it looks good, so far. However, I think that some optimization is going to be needed, or else many will not be able to enjoy this new content to the extent that you'd like. The CQ does cause a fair amount of heat in my machine, though I otherwise run it quite smoothly. Many are not able to claim the same, unfortunately. But Incarna is new enough that I can allow for some time to work this out...I know it was worse on SiSi
It is clear that, as you said, the elephant in the room is microtransactions. That has, regretfully, cast a shadow upon what should have been a positive step in the expansion of Eve Online, with Incarna.
For my own part, I am not very concerned about the sale of vanity items. CCP can certainly experiment with new revenue streams, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it, so long as these items are effectively optional. What changes the nature of the game for me is when MT involve things that give players a competitive advantage in the game, or opens up content that should otherwise be covered by our monthly subscriptions.
This is not a F2P game. In the F2P world, one expects the monetization model to include far more than just the sale of vanity items. But in a P2P game, this risks unbalancing things, not to mention, it will potentially drive people away from this great game. That's not something any of us want to see.
The devblog that spawned this thread probably fell short of the mark, in terms of communicating what people want to see addressed. I think it is clear that people are looking for a straight yes/no to their questions about the future of MT in Eve Online. People are concerned that the silence from CCP is tantamount of an admission that fears of the player base are justified. I don't want to see specific devs dragged through the mud, either, because they happened to contribute to the now-infamous internal newsletter. But I'd like to see an authoritative response from CCP about what is planned. End the speculation, and let's just lay things out.
I hope that this ****storm can be calmed. It won't be easy, but it could still end quite well for everyone.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:13:00 -
[1465]
perfect song for this devblog ------------------- piccy |
Nicki O
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:13:00 -
[1466]
nothing to complain here about captains quarter und all the other small stuff - runs fine, looks good (at least on my pc). now get back to spaceships!
but the mt store is insane: 1. 50+ bugs for a stupid virtual clothing item? and yes you are earning the cash when i do it, so im paying you for it, direct ($$ to plex) or indirect (isk to plex). if you want to make it rare, then make it like 2$ and 1 billion isk. 2$ for some pixels could sound fair to me. what you are doing atm is a ripoff.
2. why is there a mt store in the first place? i did pay you 3 accounts for years now, thats a full release game per month. not enough? why do i have to pay extra to get access to all the stuff in the game?
3. eve is a competitive game for me, whats the plan on non-vanity items? i trusted you since last week - but now i want an answer, a guarantee.
first and probably last post in the forums
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:14:00 -
[1467]
I don't know if its been mentioned allready (and I'm not going to wade through 50 odd pages to find out) but EVE is dying! Only this time its for real, failcascade is underway.
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:15:00 -
[1468]
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:16:15
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:16:00 -
[1469]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel I may be wrong, but I think I just read CCP Zulu telling the playerbase to go **** itself...
yep thats exactly what he said. think he also implied that incarna is awesom, has no problems and its everyones pc that are fail and all the technical issues that have shown up are infact down to us not have 2xi7 cpus built in to a 32gb rig running 3 gpus in sli for the 1 and only client we are allowed to play on since
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Slayer198933
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:16:00 -
[1470]
im not sure if i want to believe what i just read or not, but i do like this game and i am willing to stick around to see what you are going to do about it. if you do allow MT's for standings,weapons, ammo, ships, module slots, etc. i will have to call it quits. b/c i am not about to lose all my hard work to some noob who bought his way to the top the first week he has played. not cool. but if you do fix this then i will continue playing for a long time. with that said and me reading through all the comments i would sincerely appreciate a very honest reply to all of our posts. Will this "MT" become available to buying ships and standing or "non-vanity items". I believe if you do make MT non-vanity items you will completely change eve as we know it. might as well change your name while your at it. if its money your after, i honestly wouldn't mind paying 20 or 25 dollars a month for this game but as long as you keep it the same and polish what needs to be polished to make it a better game. Thank you for your time
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Nia Handle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:16:00 -
[1471]
Most useless devblog I've ever read. I want my 3 minutes reimbursed CCP!
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Zalyz S'venfirion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:17:00 -
[1472]
Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Ko'rell Cosca
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Kazanir Talih
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:17:00 -
[1473]
If CCP would come out and do the following things, this controversy could be resolved.
1. Explain that the leaked "Greed is Good" document was an internal newsletter designed to spark all sides of a debate, and doesn't reflect finished CCP policy. Connect this to point #3, below.
2. Explain that many more items are designed for to the Noble Exchange store, and then release them right away. If the Monocle had simply been the very-high-end "super vanity" item of a wide range of accessories, there would not be such a furor over it.
3. Unequivocally state -- as other dev blogs have in the past -- that CCP is only interested in doing microtransaction with EVE in ways that affect flavor, and that they WILL NOT be selling items that improve gameplay or affect the sandbox. A commitment to "NO GOLD AMMO" in EVE would quell 80% of the playerbase's current rioting.
Speaking as someone who currently operates 12 EVE accounts, run a corp with 120 characters and many more associated alts, and is part of the largest alliance in the game, I can say that I and many people I know would not be interested in an EVE with "gold ammo" or any microtransactions that affect the sandbox of our gameplay.
#3 is BY FAR the most important thing CCP can do here.
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Magret Firewind
Caldari Krupp-Stahl Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:18:00 -
[1474]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel I may be wrong, but I think I just read CCP Zulu telling the playerbase to go **** itself...
yip, that's kind of what I think as well...
Unbelievable arrogance...
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:18:00 -
[1475]
EVE radio is broadcasting on this.
http://www.eve-radio.com/news-compendium/eve-radio/1074-dissecting-ccp-a-funkybacon-talk-special
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:19:00 -
[1476]
I can't believe what I just read...
Don't you think you should have discussed the more important and pressing issues first? Or at least presented a definite plan outlining exactly what those issues are and when you plan to address them? What's the matter, your lawyers are on vacation? Afraid of your customers? What?
Regarding your explanation of the 'greed' debate in your newsletter: I just don't believe you. I mean, maybe if you hadn't moved the ship fittings to the server and hadn't limited them to a ridiculously small number (that's just one example), I may still have some doubts. As things stand, however, I have none at all.
About your virtual goods prices: I really couldn't care less. If you insist on making a fool of yourself in front of the whole gaming world, who am I to stop you.
I really expected better of you. ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
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Maggot Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 -
[1477]
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
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Troy LS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 -
[1478]
Originally by: Morgan Polaris Oh dear.
Missing the point like that, you've actually made it worse. I can find the door out myself though.
At least that door is functional
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Talin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 -
[1479]
I didn't think Id be doing this, but I'm going to wish you a fairwell now CCP. I'm sure this one lonely peon wont mater in your larger scheme, and I reserve the right to return if I feel you have reversed Course, but well, only time will tell.
Good luck Zulu, Soundwave and all the other Dev's I'm truly sorry for what was brought on you guys by the community even though you did not deserve it. I hope your faith in the company you work for remains strong and worth while of your time.
It was a wonderful thing you guys made CCP, I just wish you had realized just how wonderful it was before you decided to go down this path.
I really did have faith in you guys. This is kinda like realizing Santa doesn't exist all over again.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 -
[1480]
Originally by: Akira Zendragon
A lot of the rage, I believe is because of another type of perception: It seems like you and other CCP representatives are so disconnected from the playerbase and the game that you simply have not yet understood the nature of our concerns or the sheer size and gravity of this situation. Again, this might be incorrect and unjust, but again, that is the image you transmit and the perception we have.
Unfortunately I suspect they understand precisely what our concerns are, but they have assessed the situation and believe that the most profitable situation for them is to say FU to the loyal player base they have previously relied on.
They have made contingency plans to account for an expected loss in subs and are not going to change their long term strategy which was clearly outlined in Fearless.
It's obvious though that CCP still has staff who don't believe this NGE is morally right and that it betrays the philosophy of the game that we all bought into.
I sincerely hope those at CCP that believe this is wrong can somehow overturn the idiocy permeating from the top.
Because I am convinced that the money men have got it wrong. I don't believe Eve will gain subscribers if they go down this route.
You can try to make a difference now though, before it is too late. Unsubscribe and do not login. Those are the metrics that count.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 -
[1481]
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
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Freya Chang
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 -
[1482]
CCP, since you seem unwilling to address subscribers' concerns about MT, by providing a straight answer, I will add my voice to the protests. I've played this game since 2008 and, until now, have had a blast! But I won't support EVE, or Dust, after CCP decide that it's ok for people with more money than sense to "pay their way" ahead in the game, especially when all of us have paid our dues to get where we are today. Granted, CCP want to increase the game's appeal and to attract new subscribers, but dumbing-down the game and treating your existing player-base with contempt is the wrong way to go about doing it.
Please, please keep the bean-counters, marketing-spivs and corporate douchebags as far away from the game's design as possible. They'll ruin the game, the community and the company in no time at all (they always do). Please spend more time fixing what is broken and making what isn't better.
Once again: the slightest whiff of MT leading beyond vanity, into the realm of paid-for advantage and I'm off, too. Good luck navigating a course between the devil and the deep blue sea -- I think you're going to need it.
Best, FC.
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Thibs Wraken
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 -
[1483]
+1 I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt. If it all goes south, its just a game I can exit at will...there will be others.
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Raster Fain
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:21:00 -
[1484]
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
+1
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 -
[1485]
Originally by: NosubstanceHere Edited by: NosubstanceHere on 24/06/2011 23:53:47 Posting this one last time to insure more people see this: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Anyways I'm done, I'm tired of this ****.
That review is just . They are in a very, very bad place, and what is worse, they won't opt for simple changes to make things better but just barge on ahead.
I feel sorry for the grunts in that company. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 8 days. |
YZertim
M. Corp -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 -
[1486]
The blog response to everyone's concerns was worthless. They completely avoided the central issue. It is typical of them to either poo-poo people's concerns or set up a straw-man.
Same question as before, are MTs going to be for anything but vanity items?
CCP is having a banner quarter, are they trying to set a record of people they are ****ing off?
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 -
[1487]
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.
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Thundergulch
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 -
[1488]
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:22:00 -
[1489]
The moment the Geese laid eyes on the store, They knew what their life was meant for: They were to be plucked, And thereupon clucked "We will lay you your golden eggs no more!"
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 -
[1490]
1. I notice you didn't commit to not offering non-vanity items for sale in the future. Call me cynical but I'm going to just go ahead and assume that since you didn't, you're going to.
2. Regarding vanity items perhaps I'm not as smart as you but the comparison to real life 1000 dollar jeans? Right over my head. Unless you're saying that if I'm the type not willing to pay a 1000 dollars for jeans then your vision of EvE is not for me? You may be right. Just a note though: If the 'vanity' items cost almost as much, as much or more than the cost of the sub fee or the box, they are no longer 'micro'-transactions and you're clearly gouging your customers. Given the relatively special relationship CCP has with its customer base, I find this to be baffling and can only surmise your confidence in your future business model, with avatars, full stations and Dust is such that you feel you can dismiss your current playerbase and still be successful. I won't say you're wrong, but history is not on your side.
3. Given the incredibly limited scope of Incarna's new features, and their zero impact on game-play, specifically they are effectively a pointless standalone feature, and that you needlessly removed features people liked and used and made sense to keep, you have deliberately removed being docked and still in your ship in order to force being an avatar and all the RMT that it implies, down your players' throats so as a way to get people into the idea of playing in an RMT centric game. I find that perhaps most distressing. That you are forcing players who'd have no interest in avatars and no need it to accept the new paradigm even though there is absolutely no need for it except to prepare them for their future as potential customers of the NeX.
To sum up: I didn't find your response adequate.
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Vectis Guderian
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 -
[1491]
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
+1
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Nuit Aerin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 -
[1492]
I`m one of those who were laughing at the "protesters". Now with this blog, I must admit I was wrong. Something is not right, and right now my trust in the direction CCP is taking with Eve has been shaken.
The refusal to simply promise once more that there won`t be more than cosmetic items on sale is disturbing. I don`t need to make points that have already been made a thousand times, but I wanted to add my voice: I am not cancelling my account, but I might. I do not quit the game, but I might take a break and see where this is going before I buy more gametime.
Incarna looked promising though, too bad MTs had to ruin all that.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:23:00 -
[1493]
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.
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Preem Palvor
ExploRiggery Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 -
[1494]
WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HELLO KITTY ONLINE
WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FANCY GRAPHIC TURRETS
FIX THE THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN: OP PROBING, BLOBS, POS GRINDING, SOV, SNIPING
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 -
[1495]
Edited by: Kerfira on 25/06/2011 00:25:27 CCP Zulu
Since you deliberately ignored the #1 concern that the player base have, that you're moving towards selling in-game advantages for money, I'll assume that you ARE moving towards it.
If you are, SAY SO! If you're not, SAY SO!
I don't think many players (apart from a few habitual whiners) give a rats ass about the price of monocles, or whether CQ is optional or not, but in-game advantages is a completely different matter. Yet you chose not to address it at all...
I'm drawing my own conclusions from that, and I guess most of the other players are too...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Tzing Tzi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 -
[1496]
Edited by: Tzing Tzi on 25/06/2011 00:25:07 $1000 Japanese jeans might get me laid IRL - a $60 monocle in a video game probably isn't.
To be fair Valve have been selling some expensive hats in TF2 if I'm not mistaken... however the really expensive ones the proceeds went to charity - Japanese Tsunami relief if I'm not mistaken.
So here's a thing - any AUR made from the monocle thing or the NeX shop - CCP double up on that and donate to said Japanese Tsunami fund (in dollars) (Japan will take ages to recover from this) - and I doubt too many Japanese are worrying about $1000 US jeans these days.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 -
[1497]
A poor blog in a defense for a poor expansion. Somehow I'm not surprised. ---
Originally by: CCP Greyscale Is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?
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kapie nogg
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:24:00 -
[1498]
WOW! how the mighty have fallen, what the hell where you guys thinking, where you all stoned or what!
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 -
[1499]
EVE-Radio is getting opinions from CSM members former and present, as well as a Massively reporter.
They're getting the facts straight about what has gotten us to this point, and then up to where we are today.
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Valeroth Kyarmentari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 -
[1500]
He's right I'm sure that some people don't deserve the ****storm the got. Especially if they were just doing there job.
But that's all you said with any substance really.
So... Wow.
Wow. The small part of me that had hope that things were going to turn around, the small part that thought EVE was special and you guys were different has been crushed.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 -
[1501]
Thanks CCP. your "Fuck you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.
Fuck. You. Too. |
Cz Ire
Minmatar The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 -
[1502]
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.
whatever happened to the CCP philosophy of "everything should be player created" anyways?
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Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:25:00 -
[1503]
CCP Im going to try to maintain some civility itp , however I can say that CCP tends to make me very angry with there actions over the past few years. Its ridiculous getting angry over a video game yet here I sit angry. I think the reason im angry is I care about the game I am a fan of the idea of Eve however I am no longer a fan of CCP. If another game studio would produce a sandbox style single shard pvp MMO I would leave Eve. I have been watching perpetum onlineto see how that game is doing. I also have been hanging onto the hope that CCP would wake-up and start listening to its customers. I will now try to constructively illustrate a few points.
1 ) Incarna not a optional feature Since 2006 we have been hearing about Incarna in all of its names. However we were told many times ( I can post links to back-up my claims if this point is refuted) that Incarna would be a optional feature that we could opt out of it. However we find that this is not the case now.
2 ) Incarna and how bad it is The engine is bad bad bad huge memory leaks. Bad graphics bugs quirky interface ( not using industry standards WASD really this is pantsonheadbad). Rendering is horrible when you jump clone it changes your appearance :colbert: . Why you didn't license a known and proven engine is beyond me unless as conspiracy theories suggest that Incarna is nothing more than a vanity case for microtransactions and a beta test for WOD engine.
3 ) Lost that loving feeling Frankly I miss Oveur , Nathan always seemed to understand what the players wanted more than soundwave. I know that listening to the playerbase is like listening to 100 different songs at once but I think one thing in common with all our voices is we want ITERATION not new half ****ed features that you will then abandon like bastard children and not touch for another 5 years.
EXAMPLES
Evegate - Billed as something none of us could live without in the Eve expierience
Dominion Sov - Still the same exact system introduced no iteration
POS - Been needing attention for years
The above is just a few examples of where CCP has introduced new features only to abandon them and move onto the next flashy toy. Also the blog Zulu speaks about a well launched expansion. Technically it might have been good but in reality the expansion is **** it does nothing for Eve. CCP seems consumed by technical benchmarks versus customer satisfaction benchmarks this is a fundamental flaw in CCP policy and/or group think.
4 ) The Reality Eve is a very good spaceship game. The community that makes up your subscriborship is your greatest asset a asset that the management of CCP has routinely over the past few years alienated marginalized and outright disregarded. Your marketing people tell you that data doesn't support polished features over new content they tell you that attracting new subscribers is more important than retention.
I cannot stress how incorrect they are. I know in the face of the whole ~global economy~ the thought of endless supplies of consumers is the rationalization. By that measure I understand the way CCP does things. However, Eve is a niche mmo it feels like your trying to steer Eve in the direction of trying to nibble at the WOW pie. In doing so your killing your on very good and sustainable product. I doubt that Eve will ever be the ultimate space sim but I do think it is the ultimate spaceship game.
I think your customers would agree in large margin that we want you to re-focus on making Eve the best spaceship game it can be. The ideas of grandeur of Space Sim can go on the back burner and a small % of resources can be committed to realizing that dream. Before your community stomps off in disgust I suggest that radical course correction happen. I suspect if CCP was a publicy traded corp a board of directors would be making some major changes atm. CCP you have lost touch this is my plee 2U! ________________________________________________
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M Blanc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:26:00 -
[1504]
Impressive blog. First you complain about your customers, then you patronise and insult them, and to top it all off, you smoothly sidestep the one question they actually want you to answer. In case you missed it, here it is again:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:26:00 -
[1505]
Originally by: Thundergulch
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
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Insane Zombie
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:26:00 -
[1506]
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
+1
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Desya Dak'ann
Caldari No Ducks Allowed
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:27:00 -
[1507]
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Thanks CCP. your "Fuck you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.
Fuck. You. Too.
Confirming the above
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Rumplefink
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:27:00 -
[1508]
Rage!!!!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
I did unsub tho...
VoTe wItH yOUr WALLET!
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Gashblight
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:27:00 -
[1509]
This is the worst joke ever.
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Tla Atij
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:28:00 -
[1510]
Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE-Radio is getting opinions from CSM members former and present, as well as a Massively reporter.
They're getting the facts straight about what has gotten us to this point, and then up to where we are today.
Yep, listen here. http://live1.completegamer.net:8020/listen.pls
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:28:00 -
[1511]
So, a CSM Member said they told you this devblog was going to cause a bad reaction.
But you go ahead with it?
What did you expect, some magic? This has been clearly smugly responded to, and now you have the whole community getting galvanized - even the people before who were defending you are now looking at you and wondering what the hell you are trying to accomplish here.
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RaptorX
Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:29:00 -
[1512]
Originally by: Cz Ire
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.
whatever happened to the CCP philosophy of "everything should be player created" anyways?
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Spanking Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:29:00 -
[1513]
Originally by: Desya Dak'ann
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Thanks CCP. your "Fuck you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.
Fuck. You. Too.
Confirming the above
nothing like a **** you from a company you pay money too.
**** you too
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:30:00 -
[1514]
Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 25/06/2011 00:30:35
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.
edited quotes for colour & size
+1
Honestly I can't believe you are still asking the question. I realise it is just disbelief and unfounded hope that make you continue.
Get over the addiction -
Unsub & Stop logging into Eve and there is a tiny chance you can change this
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:30:00 -
[1515]
This is why they seem to think they can continue without customers.
http://eve-files.com/dl/244747
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Maggot Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:31:00 -
[1516]
Originally by: Gurgeh Morat
Honestly I can't believe you are still asking the question. I realise it is just disbelief and unfounded hope that make you continue.
Get over the addiction -
Usub & Stop logging into Eve and there is a tiny chance you can change this
you never went to a strike in rl before, did you?
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Jak Krankle
Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:31:00 -
[1517]
Wow, Zulu has ****ed off the entire community twice in as many weeks. Perhaps he should be replaced with someone more competent.
Anyways, other than that I have nothing to say other than a CCP really needs to bring a titan to Jita and fire a shot off. That would be an epic, and actually benificial task. And, it's something they coulnd't actually fail.
Also, if your quitting, send me your ISK. plzkthnx
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Troy LS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:31:00 -
[1518]
I think CCP Zulu took a chapter out of TEARS playbook.
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Ludi Burek
Universal Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:32:00 -
[1519]
Edited by: Ludi Burek on 25/06/2011 00:32:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCP_Games
Scroll down and click on the "owners". Take the half a minute read up on them.
Accept that CCP and EVE is not about the game any longer and who's really calling the shots. Some shady Russians and only interested in dollar signs "entrepreneurs" lol.
Bye. |
Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:32:00 -
[1520]
Originally by: Thundergulch
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
seriously
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Igualmentedos
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:32:00 -
[1521]
Originally by: Thundergulch
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
CCP, I was a diehard fan, and you're starting to take massive ****s on me. WTF is your problem?
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Mynt Sierra
Caldari Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 -
[1522]
Originally by: Raster Fain
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
+1
And Zulu should kill himself for being terrible.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 -
[1523]
EVE Radio quality interview/panel thus far.
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 -
[1524]
This is absolutely the most INADEQUATE response I have ever experienced to a business failure of this magnitude.
The Performance Issues with CQ Loading ARE NOT EVEN MENTIONED.
CCP, you are embarrassing yourselves even more.
I'm really sad at this awful turn at finding out how CCP Exec's truly do not care one whit for the folks who built thier game's spirit for 8 long years.
CCP, I don't think you are ever going to recover from this. The evtire gaming World is laughing at this absolutely ignorant ,smug, vicious behavior.
************
"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 -
[1525]
Originally by: Desya Dak'ann
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Thanks CCP. your "Fuck you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.
Fuck. You. Too.
Confirming the above
This. So Much This.
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Aiyeeta Beaver
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Fallen Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:33:00 -
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Over the years, I always believed CCP employees played their product. I had this confirmed for me when I saw the whole Devs helping BoB ****storm almost 5 years ago. After reading all this, I feel like less and less employees actually play EVE or else someone would step up and slap their fellow co-workers for even remotely suggesting RMT for advantages. You'll notice I didn't say MT, I said RMT because they're anything but micro.
You call your newsletter FEARLESS, but from what I've seen, it needs to be renamed to BRAINLESS. There's a difference between not fearing something and just going about it all wrong... Just look at some of the nubs I've dealt with lately, they don't FEAR the enemy so they fly expensive ships unescorted through dangerous jumps blind and get ganked. See what I'm getting at here? Fear and Idiocy? They are not mutually exclusive, in fact they often dwell in each other's company, but I believe you (CCP) have misinterpreted the difference between the two.
I do grant you this: Incarna? I didn't set long skill training, I logged in, things worked. Castor->Shiva? Remember that? Long skill training was required, you've made some great strides since then as far as deployment goes. It was charming, though, some people forgot to set skill training and frustration ensued. This is actually, afaik, the first time I've logged into a new patch and the game itself seemed to work. My hardware on the other hand? Look, I already walk outside to over 100 F (38 C) weather, I don't need my graphics card equalizing that indoors as well. Over the years, one of the coolest things about EVE was it could always run on an outdated or budget PC. Why are you guys trying to ruin that? Disembark actually seems like it would be a pretty cool feature, eh?
And lastly, how hard is it to just bite the bullet on this one? Why can't any CCP employee just come out and say "I don't want someone to just RMT a fleet up after I spent hours trying to build one!"? Do you not see what the charm of your game is? It's the hard work! It's the satisfying accomplishments! How satisfying is it to swipe a credit card and get an advantage? NOT VERY. How satisfying is it to spend countless hours in your mining barge (Back in my day, it was cruisers dammit) to get enough minerals to painstakingly build your battleship with blood, sweat, and tears only to lose it hours later in an adrenaline high? PRETTY GOD DAMNED SATISFYING. Over the years I've watched you ruin this feeling more and more with your oh so precious PLEX. What's the point of hunting down ISK traders if you're just going to facilitate it yourselves? I've been with you for a long haul, and I can truly say this: I find your game less charming by the day. If it were not for the friendships I've made, I do not think I would've re-subbed after the BoB fiasco.
Most of my friends stopped playing though, so let me ask you this: Why should I re-sub now? Can your next response answer that question with no spin and no dodging? Can you guys pull your collective heads out of your asses, turn to each other and say "What happened to us?", and realize that greed is - in this case - not good and just tell us what we want to know? You're game is supposed to be a hobby, not a waste of time and energy.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:34:00 -
[1527]
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
They know of the question, CCP Manifest went through most of the post in the megathread in general he would have seen it in yellow about 30+ times.
They're choosing not to answer and by posting this thread when they did they're still choosing not to answer the question directly. Indirectly they've already given the answer, which is yes!
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:34:00 -
[1528]
Originally by: Cz Ire
Originally by: Bklyn 1
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
You do realize, the lack of answer gives you the answer.
whatever happened to the CCP philosophy of "everything should be player created" anyways?
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:34:00 -
[1529]
"Delete post" buttons running hot I see.
The sentiment stands.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:35:00 -
[1530]
Originally by: Maisonian Edited by: Maisonian on 24/06/2011 23:39:22 All aboard the bat5hit crazy train!
Next stop, CCP HQ
Confirming that people do indeed have enough RL money to choose a ú1000 pair of jeans instead of BUYING A FRICKING CAR or somthing...
You've lost all touch with reality. Sort it out.
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: Maisonian
Originally by: Grimpak players: CCP can you please answer our questions. CCP: well yes, Incarna is awesome and it was deployed relatively smoothly! players: eh? CCP: also, the NeX prices reflect elite status! players: wait what the **** are you ta- CCP: INCARNA IS AWESOME! NO MORE TALKING! players: dude wha-*banhammer* CCP: INCARNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
this is how it feels, really.
You sir, have +1 internets for redecorating my monitor with tea.
because you laughed so hard or you cried so hard? Because if you read it thorougly, it pretty much resembles whats really going on right now
Laughing at the sheer brilliance with which this has been summarised. And then crying.
hey CCP where the **** is that rep button you promised us this time LAST year?
the lulz have reached epic proportions unfortunately so has the level of arrogance and stupidity on CCP's part
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Maggot Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac
They know of the question, CCP Manifest went through most of the post in the megathread in general he would have seen it in yellow about 30+ times.
They're choosing not to answer and by posting this thread when they did they're still choosing not to answer the question directly. Indirectly they've already given the answer, which is yes!
If they refused to reply, then we all need to ask in a louder tone.
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:35:00 -
[1532]
Edited by: Avon on 25/06/2011 00:42:50 You would think that with all the practice they have had, CCP would have got good at damage control by now.
Clearly they have not.
They are still completely missing the point.
Eve has, somehow, survived on promises of a better future - CCP sell their vision of Eve and we suck it up. Now, when the shroud is lifted, and the vision they sold us is revealed as the charade that it is, they expect us to trust them?
I remember, a very long time ago, praising Devs who promised that they would not sell out their vision for Eve. That they would rather it remained the best PvP niche game on the market, rather than a bloated (but more profitable) second-rate mainstream game. Over the years I have seen CCP sell out that vision for the promise of $$. I understand they are a business, but this cash grab hasn't been for the benefit of Eve, it has been a slush fund for new projects.
I'm all for CCP developing new products, good luck to them, but not at the expense of Eve.
I'm not all that bothered by micro(lol)transactions, lots of games I play have them. So long as you are paying for looks or convenience rather than advantage I have no real objection. Anything that is an ISK sink now is pretty much a legitimate target for MTs (cloning fees, blueprints, ship insurance). However, I feel CCP are missing a trick with their approach to vanity items. By all means sell them at outrageous prices, but offer (for far less Aurum) 1 run blueprints for items which require player produced "ingredients" to make. Use MTs to help stimulate the economy rather than bypass it.
The concerns I currently have are really twofold. The primary concern is that MTs will be used to pay for an advantage which is not available through normal game mechanics. This must not happen.
My second concern is that CCP have spent a lot of time on a patch which is little more than a way to introduce microtransactions. Zulu tells us how cool people may think we are because of our fancy rags ... but who is going to see them in a single player 1 room enviroment? Seriously, who thought that expensive vanity items were a good idea when, realistically, only the player is going to see them?
There are many things that need improving in Eve. Many things that have been promised and either never materialised or have gone unfinished. These should be the priority - not an incarna tech demo designed to generate revenue to fund new products.
Maybe CCP have become so focused on the future they have forgotten that all they actually have is what they have now - and that if they don't treat it with the love and respect it deserves they won't have that either.
What I, and I assume many other players, want is Internet Spaceships. I want what Eve to be the game as described on the back of the box, not the cash cow for games I don't want to play.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:35:00 -
[1533]
Dear Senior Producer of EVE Online Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
You Sir must really think we are all some dumb arss underage kids with serious mental disabilities!
First of all, who in God's name taught you about Customer/Consumer Support and Public Relations? Please don't ever speak in public again, for your own sake. Hire someone with a basic knowledge on Consumer/Customer Support and Public Relations to write and speak for you. Until then, just remember the golden rule: The Customer Is Always Right.
Second. Just how stupid do you think we all are? Is this the best excuse/explanation you could come up with? "... exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points" Do you honestly expect us to believe that sht?
Third. I'm paying you to provide me a service and when I'm not satisfied with it I feel entitled to "hate and ****storm" since well... I pay for it.
Forth. Obviously you don't even consider dropping the MT's "We will gradually introduce items at other price points". Don't forget that we made you what you are today and if we don't want it, maybe you should at least show a little more diplomacy when telling us to fck off. I understand that business is business, but it's no business without customers and it's bad business with low customer retention rates.
Yes, EVE-Online was and still is a great idea, BUT my Dear Sir, without us it would've been just that, a great idea and not the business it is today. At least show the respect we deserve since WE pay your salary Mister Senior Producer of EVE Online.
Sincerely yours, An old capsuleer
P.S. I hope all you ppl from CCP go bankrupt for ruining this game
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:36:00 -
[1534]
~ "Why do they think it's wise to force users to use it"
~ "We think they way to get people to use Incarna is to provide content there that you can do by walking around - than just forcing people to do it."
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Drakrtar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:36:00 -
[1535]
Dear CCP Zulu,
I do realize how difficult it is to become a major target in a very bad PR mess such as this one. Your tone and feeble attempt to quiet the masses with no real answers has done nothing more than anger the group you aimed to please and then on top of that you have given those of us like myself a very bad impression of your abilities.
I have been with Eve longer then you have been employed with CCP and can easily say this is by far one of the worst scenarios i've seen CCP deal with. The way you have handled it is rather unprofessional and even using foul language to address a player base? I mean seriously who is this guys superior?
Someone needs to step in an give a REAL response to the issues at hand. Utilize your CSM's that's what they are there for. If you have a problem with funding LET your community know. Eve has proven over the years that they have one of the strongest communities out there and to leave them out of such important issues is not only disrespectful, but extremely dumb.
Please do not make the same mistake Sony did by ignoring your player base. They are still paying for that and you will too for years to come if you do. Or is this some kind of joke that sony has impressed you to do with that recent partnership? Are you ignorant to their exceptionally destructive actions for Star Wars Galaxies of similar nature? Do you think the "big boys" have a good idea? Well keep in mind they have a MUCH LARGER and expansive collection of products and revenue to fall back on unlike CCP.
I truly hope this is not the case because that would just be sad. I do love eve and have been playing since Beta on/off. I can say this for sure though if you keep down this dark path of shutting out the community, allowing ridiculous responses such as Zulu to air, and changing the core of the game you will be losing many of the long time subs that have stuck around this long for the love of the game.
I was looking forward to Eve Vegas, but after this I am glad I have not purchased tickets yet.
Signed, Drakrtar
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot Jones
you never went to a strike in rl before, did you?
No it's true, but I unsubbed a year ago anyway, I was hoping Incarna would bring me back...
So anyway I can't make a difference with my wallet.
The good thing about Eve is that the virtual equivalent of a strike actually gives you more money in your pocket as well as time with your loved ones and you don't get the crap beaten out of you by people in riot gear who are "only doing their job". Ironically a phrase I heard somewhere around here recently.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:36:00 -
[1537]
I am firmly against any sort of micro transactions and against the Aur currency. Keep eve clean. No Micro transactions. Period.
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Dan Kaneda
Kaneda's Evil Ninja Organization
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:36:00 -
[1538]
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:37:00 -
[1539]
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:37:00 -
[1540]
I hope you're investors are as fearless as your 'mantra' because once hundreds, if not thousands of players walk out of your game your investors will surely also think about jumping from a sinking ship. I know I would....
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Cherry Miranda
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:37:00 -
[1541]
If you are unsub'ing or quiting. Please feel free to contract me, Cherry Miranda, your items. I'll put them to good use. Thank you.
Personally I thought CCP Zulu's release was more of a direct jest that he didn't like the things either. However if it was it is hard to convey that in mere text without being direct. Not to say that the direct presentation itself may have been poorly implemented, to jest in text while numerous individuals are well fuming. Might be well to put in contrast that he is a producer and not public relations. Being that he is a 'human' also, he most likely did not like digesting the comments about his co-workers, with something related to 'inter-office' matters; thus decided to jest back or troll.
Just this is an assumption on my part, I do hope its a jest.
Anyway,
If you are unsub'ing or quiting. Please feel free to contract me, Cherry Miranda, your items. I'll put them to good use. Thank you.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:37:00 -
[1542]
Quote: Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?
This has got to be the single most brainless thing I've seen come out of CCP since banning Kugutsumen. And I don't mean that as hyperbole, it's literally true. It's insulting, it's a display of truly shocking ignorance of your player base, and it's possibly the least logical defence of your policy that could be envisioned. You build a dark, violent sci-fi universe, and then you blithely assume that the players are all a group of clotheshorses, and use that as a justification for selling fake T-shirts more expensive than real ones? I have a long and distinguished history of facepalming at CCP's abortions of communication, but even I have difficulty believing that this could be happening. It's just too idiotic.
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:37:00 -
[1543]
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the *FIRST AND FOREMOST BY FAR* thing that needs a damn answer
Fixed.
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OldSamurai
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:38:00 -
[1544]
Does anyone know where the bathroom is?
That is all I need to know, 'cause I really didn't want to $1tt in the CQ. But it seem that I don't really have a choice now, do I?
And I'll have to buy a new computer, so I can run Incarna, just to see in the mirror my soiled pants.
Or should I just FLY a freaking SHIP, since that is why I joined this game!!! Wake up CCP!
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:39:00 -
[1545]
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Jartho
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:39:00 -
[1546]
Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the *FIRST AND FOREMOST BY FAR* thing that needs a damn answer
Fixed.
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Mark Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:39:00 -
[1547]
Hey, CCP Zulu:
After coming back and re-reading the post (after allowing my initial NERDRAGE reaction a chance to go away), I can see where you think you may have answered our question about non-vanity AUR items:
Quote: The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
But that's tap-dancing. What we need, and we need this right frakking now, is a single clear, concise, and unquestionable statement. Something along the lines of "no, we are not planning on introducing non-vanity AUR items to the Noble Excange" would be perfect. An equally clear reply to the positive, that you are planning to do so, then following up with reasons why this is good for the game, and not simply "MORE MONEY FOR US LOLZ" would be acceptable.
Heck, I think a lot of us would take a "no, we have no plans to add non-vanity items to the Noble Excange at this time, but we may still choose to do so in the future." We wouldn't be happy about it, but it would be a step up from meaningless corporate boilerplate, which is all that we've seen so far.
I know you guys are tired. The nerd-rage you guys are getting from every corner imaginable probably isn't helping you guys want to reach out to us, and for any part I may have had in it, I apologize. I have been trying to stay calm and evenhanded in regards to everything, and I would like to think I've been at least mostly successful in doing so.
I like Incarna as a concept. Once the software bugs are all ironed out, and we get more than just the Captain's Quarters, I think it will have a major impact on how we play EVE. I love the new turret graphics and adore the new agent finder. I even have been giving consideration to hanging onto my PlayStation 3, which otherwise would have been traded in at Gamestop, specifically so I could try my hand at DUST 514 when I could, be that next year or even this winter, were I lucky enough to be chosen as a beta tester.
But the longer we go without clear, public statements as to how things go forward from here, directly addressing the concerns we, your customers, have been expressing, the less confident we feel that the "awesome" you constantly promise us will be such, and the more people you lose to other games. There was something that "Greed is Good?" got right - you are competing for our time and money. And however flashy and shiny the game, however deep it is, however player-driven it is, however fun it has been in the past, if we as players do not have confidence in the developers' vision of the future, we won't choose to spend our time and money on it.
However much rage and frustration you feel, I assure you we feel just as much, if not more, and I beg you to work with us going forward from here. Otherwise this game that we all love - if we didn't love it, would we be this up in arms about it? - will shrink dramatically, if not completely vanish, and we would all be the poorer for it.
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Destructo Wisen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:39:00 -
[1548]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AObrlCf3Dcs
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:40:00 -
[1549]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Nalta
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:41:00 -
[1550]
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
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Bodo Bass
Minmatar Templars of Space
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:41:00 -
[1551]
In Marketing there are those who satisfy needs and those who create wants. Juan Carlos Castillo (1974- ), Marketing in Action (2005)
CCP ... you did none of those
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Kimsemus
Muppet Factory Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:42:00 -
[1552]
I must not have the right 80 dollar monocle equipped and just be confused, but your "response" pretty much amounts to pouring salt into wounds. I'm mad over the cheapening of nullsec over the past months, and the buffing of highsec. I mad over the absurd MT prices in your insulting new market system. I'm mad over the lack of fundamental feature fixes still missing.
However, none of that compares to the pit in my stomach forming that you guys are pulling an SOE right now and killing a perfectly amazing game.
I'm most of all angry that you're administering chemotherapy and killing the best online community I've ever known.
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nodezeon
Valor Inc. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:42:00 -
[1553]
Extract from CCP Zulu's last Dev blog...
So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy. We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
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Jasmine Dupre
Kharn Empire Knights Of Freedoms
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:43:00 -
[1554]
Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the *FIRST AND FOREMOST BY FAR* thing that needs a damn answer
Fixed.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:43:00 -
[1555]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Android Mindslave
Gallente Mindworks
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:44:00 -
[1556]
glassdoor
"Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago."
CCP needs to eat their humble pie, protect their 'bird in the hand' money generator that is EVE, kill WoD and accept the consequences of the position they've placed themselves in. It will go FAR better than trying to save everything and ending up with nothing. A consistently profitable sub based MMO is a valuable resource that many other companies would kill to have. |
Captain Futur3
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:44:00 -
[1557]
This is a joke!
I dont believe that CCP is selfdestructing, but they already hit the "selfdestruct" button.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:44:00 -
[1558]
Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE radio is broadcasting on this.
http://www.eve-radio.com/news-compendium/eve-radio/1074-dissecting-ccp-a-funkybacon-talk-special
Jesus H. ****ing Christ.
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Drekonis Opiate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:45:00 -
[1559]
This is my first time posting on these forums after years of lurking around in this game. I'm only posting because I feel it's important to add another mark in the "confused" column. There is only one thing about this situation I cannot understand.
There seems to be a very spiteful, disrespectful attitude being displayed by most of the CCP staff towards the playerbase. This is simply unacceptable. YOU are the company we pay money to each month for this service. YOU are the people we trust with our investment to create an experience we can enjoy. YOU ARE NOT THE CUSTOMER, and under NO circumstance do YOU have the right to be anything but apologetic towards us. It's poor customer service and **** poor business to do otherwise.
I don't excuse any personal attacks or unfair criticisms made by the more vocal and riotous portions of the playerbase, but I cannot EVER forgive the borderline hostile manner in which this whole cluster@#$! has been dealt with by CCP.
If you honestly feel self-entitled to politely tell your paying customers to essentially **** off because they're upset over leaked company newsletters and overpriced in-game vanity items, then you aren't worth my money or anyone elses'.
You need to apologize. Not for what you said in a newsletter or how ridiculously high you priced a monocle. You need to apologize for how you've dealt with this situation - by hiding for almost two days while the storm continued to grow, then brushing aside every criticism leveled at your company as if we were unimportant scum.
And CCP Soundwave: If you read this, you have my apologies. I don't agree with the direction that the game is going in, but you've had a large amount of undignified attention directed at you. My advice is to get extremely drunk. Hopefully you'll forget about some your MT plans in the process.
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Tla Atij
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:46:00 -
[1560]
We broke eve radio :(
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NotHereReally
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:46:00 -
[1561]
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Thanks CCP. your "Fuck you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.
Fuck. You. Too.
+1
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Makrina Ashton
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:46:00 -
[1562]
Originally by: TZeer
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Dessh Tersu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:46:00 -
[1563]
Edited by: Dessh Tersu on 25/06/2011 00:51:05
Originally by: Preem Palvor
WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HELLO KITTY ONLINE
WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FANCY GRAPHIC TURRETS
FIX THE THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN: OP PROBING, BLOBS, POS GRINDING, SOV, SNIPING
quoting cause he has a point
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:46:00 -
[1564]
Eve radio is down due to overload of listeners, but clearly we have no issue here CCP amirite?
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Rumplefink
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:46:00 -
[1565]
Threadnaught naught aught
RAGE AND RABBLE!
Unsubbed
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:47:00 -
[1566]
Edited by: Demon Azrakel on 25/06/2011 00:47:40
Originally by: TZeer
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:47:00 -
[1567]
Originally by: Tla Atij We broke eve radio :(
Good to know it's not just me.
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Brahsef Stalin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:47:00 -
[1568]
It is clear to me that CCP management has taken a page out of SirMolle's book and when faced with a failcascade tackles it with the head in sand approach.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:48:00 -
[1569]
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Katra Novac
They know of the question, CCP Manifest went through most of the post in the megathread in general he would have seen it in yellow about 30+ times.
They're choosing not to answer and by posting this thread when they did they're still choosing not to answer the question directly. Indirectly they've already given the answer, which is yes!
If they refused to reply, then we all need to ask in a louder tone.
They've given the answer already.
Look at it this way if they had no intention of introducing items that had some benefit ingame, then they would have told us and saved all this aggro.
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Neftaran
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:48:00 -
[1570]
That's quite possibly the worst reply to this situation I could of expected. Why not just throw some gas on the fire.. Talk about coming off like an jack hole.
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Krapulette
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:48:00 -
[1571]
Edited by: Krapulette on 25/06/2011 00:49:00 Stop posting the same question please. You looks like this boy
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Aston Martin DB5
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:49:00 -
[1572]
If only ccp kept tabs on player's alts because I can guarantee these complaints would be cut in half.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:49:00 -
[1573]
My hours for plex will soon be over...
So I repeat one more time, The only way to make them reconsider their non vanity RMT shop is
Unsubscribe and do not login
If you do anything else the MIS graphs will show you approve of Eve NGE.
I bid you farewell and good luck
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:49:00 -
[1574]
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Katra Novac
They know of the question, CCP Manifest went through most of the post in the megathread in general he would have seen it in yellow about 30+ times.
They're choosing not to answer and by posting this thread when they did they're still choosing not to answer the question directly. Indirectly they've already given the answer, which is yes!
If they refused to reply, then we all need to ask in a louder tone.
They've given the answer already.
Look at it this way if they had no intention of introducing items that had some benefit ingame, then they would have told us and saved all this aggro.
True but if they realize almost everyone on the forums are not wanting it to go past vanity they might not, who knows, if you dont try you will not get anywhere.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:50:00 -
[1575]
Originally by: Android Mindslave glassdoor
"Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago."
CCP needs to eat their humble pie, protect their 'bird in the hand' money generator that is EVE, kill WoD and accept the consequences of the position they've placed themselves in. It will go FAR better than trying to save everything and ending up with nothing. A consistently profitable sub based MMO is a valuable resource that many other companies would kill to have.
There is video of that on youtube.
Hilmar walks into each room and yells "The new subscriber target is 600k!"
One room they all look at him like "WTF you ****head we're working on stuff that actually matters here. Go away.".
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:50:00 -
[1576]
CCP, instead of hiring economists, you should hire some people who actually have a degree in Communication (and know how to apply it).
This dev blog is insultingly bad and lacking in content.
(Not that you care about this or any other opinion anyway.)
This char for sale |
w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:50:00 -
[1577]
Thank you Zulu
Thank you for confirming that CCP doesnt actually give a **** about its customer anymore.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Rebnok
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:51:00 -
[1578]
hi mom : ) incarna suxs, bots keep a botting
:CCP: The only thing im running is my mouth |
BlackSunMiner
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:51:00 -
[1579]
CCP Zulu
amidoinitrite.ban
but in all seriousness CCP Zulu, suck a d.i.c.k.
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Veras Divinia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:51:00 -
[1580]
Edited by: Veras Divinia on 25/06/2011 00:55:02
CCP,
One of the keys to good communication is the ability to understand your audience. Fundamental to that is the ability to listen.
Unfortunately the post above does not address most of the critical questions your audience has been asking over the past several days.
The most critical question being asked right now is quite simply: Will non vanity items be sold through microtransactions in game? (where non vanity items are defined as items that could be be used by one player to gain an advantage over another or to directly impact the game world).
The blog above does not address that issue. Given it is the fundamental one for the player base, your silence on this issue becomes more and more damning. People are asking this question because they want to know the answer - it will inform the decisions they make going forward. Without it, you force them to make decisions based on the information they have available to them. And at this point that information is fairly damning.
While you have explained that the Fearless Newsletter is an internal document designed to prompt discussion, I note that if that was its purpose it came from a fundamentally unbalanced perspective. A good discussion, like any good communication, requires all sides to give their input. With the exception of the "against" comments for MT put forward by John T. every other article around MT presents a pro MT slant. By my count that is nearly a 90% to 10% slant in favor of MT in Fearless. A truly fearless perspective would have given equal weight to both sides.
When you couple that with open discussion in that newsletter of non vanity items sales, an area that your players thought had been already fundamentally ruled out, you can see how your defense of Fearless as a discussion peice is questionable at best. A truly balanced debate about MT would have read as such. Your Fearless newsletter is not such a debate. When you couple that lack of balance with a quite frankly demeaning portrayal of your player base in the articles you can see why, from your player's perspective that document must be read with suspicion.
If you really want to put this issue to rest, answer the question that has been put to you.
No more evasions, no more half answers, no more delay. At this point your silence is only damning you. Give your players the ability to make a fully informed decision on this issue. Over the past number of years, your player base has given you their trust, their respect and their hard earned cash. We deserve an answer to this question.
HTFU CCP - Listen to what we are saying and then step forward and answer the question. The player base that has trusted you for years deserves your respect.
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Ulmon Aulen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:51:00 -
[1581]
Fearless my ass. You don't even have the guts to come out and say yes, we are planning on expanding MT beyond vanity items. All you can do is hide in a corner and avoid directly answering the big yellow question hoping this problem fixes itself.
Fearless? More like Cowardice.
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OldSamurai
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:51:00 -
[1582]
Does anyone know where the bathroom is?
That is all I need to know, 'cause I really didn't want to $1tt in the CQ. But it seem that I don't really have a choice now, do I?
And I'll have to buy a new computer, so I can run Incarna, just to see in the mirror my soiled pants.
Or would they just let me FLY a freaking SHIP, since that is why I joined this game to begin with?!!!
Wake up CCP!
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Eoins Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:53:00 -
[1583]
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
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Levaria
Gallente Incertae Sedis Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:54:00 -
[1584]
Maybe if CCP repeats it'self enough times they will believe their own bull****. Repetition is a beautiful thing... Really? A ..deal with it attitude? Gotta love your mentality at CCP offices. What a crock of ****. How about you stop dancing around the issue and face the hard facts..You ****ed off the fan base and you fail to admit that you are in the wrong. For once do a mea culpa right. ~Pirates May Cry but Care Bears will die!~
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Victora Drakmar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:54:00 -
[1585]
Originally by: Krell Kroenen
Originally by: Smagd
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Please note that I'll take no answer as a "Yes".
Thank you.
This is my question as well, I could careless about vanity items but if you start adding things that impact game play and little Jimmy can use his mommy's credit card to get an leg up then I am out of here with my 3 subs.
P.S. That jeans example... bad choice and way out of touch with what we are upset about. Also if those were just the opinions and ideas of high ranking employees that have a direct impact on the direction of the game why the hell are you surprised we took their comments to heart?
+1
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:54:00 -
[1586]
Originally by: Eoins Alt
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
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SHADOWVOX
NECESSARY RESPONSE
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:55:00 -
[1587]
Originally by: CCP Zulu While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
I would have to agree here with Zulu entirely. I honestly couldn't care less about NEX or CQ and i am not happy that the Hangar view is gone, but I agree that its not cool to "attack" CCP over this.
p.s. I do love the new turrets though. They make frigs look very badass!
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Orgas Mando
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:55:00 -
[1588]
Edited by: Orgas Mando on 25/06/2011 00:56:01 i don't care anymore, this was answer enough to all my questions.
I am unfortunately not greedy enough, or as much of an attention ***** CCP wants me to be.Good bye EVE, the fun i had was dearly paid for.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:55:00 -
[1589]
Originally by: Aston Martin DB5 If only ccp kept tabs on player's alts because I can guarantee these complaints would be cut in half.
Even if that were true (and I doubt it is), it is still enough that CCP should wake up and smell the coffee
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Opan santel
Gallente Turbulent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:56:00 -
[1590]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Eoins Alt
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
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Metarsus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:56:00 -
[1591]
Jesus, what a fiasco.
Originally by: CSM Seleene Based on the devblog, and my impressions from the conversations I have had in recent days, it is my opinion that CCP has decided upon a strategy with respect to virtual goods and Incarna, and that they are going to fearlessly implement it regardless of feedback from CSM or the players.
Our words, and yours, on this issue seem to be worthless. Only our actions have any weight.
I am carefully considering what to do next as I mull all this over.
And I lol'd at CCP Zulu bragging about how well Incarna's launch has gone.
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Ubiquitous Newt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:56:00 -
[1592]
Well, this is what happens when you make a product without checking to see if there's a market for it first. If soeone had come up to me and asked "Hey, do you want a GPU-destroying, spaceship-based chat client with $60 micropayment pants for your character?" the answer would have been "Nah!"
...but they didn't, so they built it, and what's more they built it in such a way that it *screws up a perfectly functional space combat game I *wanted* to play. Oops!
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Guinness Renko
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:56:00 -
[1593]
Pathetic. The anger here is palpable, and it doesn't take a genius to see why. This dev blog was less a response and more of a *****-slap to the playerbase. I love this game; 2 subs and 4 years later I'm still engaged. But this? This kind of smug, ungrateful garbage is so out of line with the CCP I thought I was dealing with, it's enough to make me wonder what I'll do when my subs run out.
Disgusted,
Renko
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:56:00 -
[1594]
Originally by: Kimsemus I must not have the right 80 dollar monocle equipped and just be confused, but your "response" pretty much amounts to pouring salt into wounds. I'm mad over the cheapening of nullsec over the past months, and the buffing of highsec. I mad over the absurd MT prices in your insulting new market system. I'm mad over the lack of fundamental feature fixes still missing.
However, none of that compares to the pit in my stomach forming that you guys are pulling an SOE right now and killing a perfectly amazing game.
I'm most of all angry that you're administering chemotherapy and killing the best online community I've ever known.
HOLY ****, i'm actually agreeing with an NC. guy
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Katcaeks
Caldari SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:58:00 -
[1595]
I work for a multi billion telecommuncations company which has a reputation for poor customer service. The CEO during this time basically wanted to make as much money off customers as he could and do it as cheaply as humanly possible, making all kinds of cuts, offshoring a lot of centres and the work quality and customer service dropped a great deal as a result.
Two years ago, a new CEO took over and took the company in a totally new approach, a customer service centric attitude of operation. We asked our customers "What can we do to improve our service to you?" and took on board their feedback. Two years later our reputation has improved a great deal and people are starting to turn around and comment that we really did make an effort to change. If we didn't undertake this, we'd be on a steady road to decline and eventually closure.
CCP needs to take this same change of attitude on board, because it cannot afford to lose EVE subscribers. It's well known that they are struggling for for further income as is and the latest expansion only furthers such an image.
CCP, you must put your customer at the centre of what you do. You must make sure you give them a good experience so that they will come back and will bring others with them. Word of mouth is your biggest friend and your biggest enemy.
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:58:00 -
[1596]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Eoins Alt
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:58:00 -
[1597]
CCP Zulu, you came to us completely out of touch with our game, and as our game ends nothing has changed. You might want to try to be a politician though, your ability to serve yourself and inflame people is golden. The file size of your signature is too large. Please use a smaller file - Failout |
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:58:00 -
[1598]
Does my bum look big in these $1,000 jeans? I don't think it was possible to respond with such an out of touch and ******ed blog. You're not even a Zulu either!
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zzlep Alduin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:58:00 -
[1599]
once again you've brought something in that has really hit a nerve - the nerfs to null sec was the beginning and you rounded it off with in can nah play patch or somet like that Well played and well done for ruining your game you should have sorted out the RMT and botting issues, SC and titan blobs and just generally had involved the people who game.
pfffffffffffft
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:59:00 -
[1600]
Originally by: Eoins Alt
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
The answer is really simple and they've already told you. "We don't have to answer, we don't need you, quit whenever you like"
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/yellow2/crimeCycle_1.jpg
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
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Crunchmeister
Gallente Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:59:00 -
[1601]
Originally by: Katcaeks I work for a multi billion telecommuncations company which has a reputation for poor customer service. The CEO during this time basically wanted to make as much money off customers as he could and do it as cheaply as humanly possible, making all kinds of cuts, offshoring a lot of centres and the work quality and customer service dropped a great deal as a result.
You work for Bell Canada?
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Erim Solfara
Amarr inFluX.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1602]
Poasting in a justified threadnaught.
For one, don't damn the ****storm people are causing, it's a ****storm because of how outraged the community is. Pointing the finger back at us and scolding us like children really, REALLY isn't going to fix the issues we've presented.
As for the 'the prices are the prices' statement, congratulations, you've pretty much convinced me you've absolutely no connection with your playerbase anymore, I mean, I've been waivering, but honestly, such a pig-headed and ignorant move on your part, for what? For the couple of monocles you're going to shift? You need to watch your subscription numbers, hopefully the new blood drawn in by Incarna will stick around long enough to serve as a replacement for all the diehard fans of the game that are leaving. I was going to say 'vets', but I think FANS is more appropriate.
Good luck with World of Darkness, EVE really does look like it's starting on a not-so-long road to hell, and it'll take Dust with it, if that even gets any uptake.
o/
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1603]
Who put these crackheads on eve radio, no1 cares about vanity items costing a ton of rl cash, no1 cares if CQ's lags your pc, WE CARE IF THEY ADD NON VANITY ITEMS INTO MT that effect the entire sandbox.. jesus can no1 get this concept at all? really?
cq lags your pc, get a better cpu. vanity items cost to much, go play second life they introduce non vanity items for rl money aka +6 implants, now the person who farms +5's in lvl4's and puts them for sale on market will no longer make much profit, therefore he will not bother doing 4's, now you have just 1 tiny portion of the community not playing eve anymore, lets add modules, same principal.
i swear most the people on these forums are CCP alt trolls who are rick rolling us all.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1604]
Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Katra Novac
They know of the question, CCP Manifest went through most of the post in the megathread in general he would have seen it in yellow about 30+ times.
They're choosing not to answer and by posting this thread when they did they're still choosing not to answer the question directly. Indirectly they've already given the answer, which is yes!
If they refused to reply, then we all need to ask in a louder tone.
They've given the answer already.
Look at it this way if they had no intention of introducing items that had some benefit ingame, then they would have told us and saved all this aggro.
True but if they realize almost everyone on the forums are not wanting it to go past vanity they might not, who knows, if you dont try you will not get anywhere.
I suspect that they expected loses initially, I also suspect that they feel that some of the people that unsub (I did 2 days ago) may resub even if they introduce MT items that give an advantage. After all the Eve community does tend to put up with a lot of crap from CCP, mainly because there's not many games like Eve (I don't know of another but then I've only played about 11 MMOs).
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Ubiquitous Newt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1605]
For Christ's sake people, just unsubscribe. It's not like you can't RE-subscribe if CCP pulls their head out of their butts. It's the one thing, the only thing, that has even a remote chance of getting their attention.
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Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1606]
Originally by: KrustyKrab I have cancelled all 7 accounts. 4 are 6-month subs with various end dates. 3 are PLEX and will expire in about 36 days (I'm sad now that I JUST re-PLEXED on all 3 =/)
Seems everyone in our alliance is doing the same. I highly suggest everyone that pays a recurring sub goes into their account mgmt and cancels their sub. This will be instant hard data to those in charge at CCP that this...whatever this is, isn't going to end well for them if they continue down this path of denial, lying, and not having a clue that there's a massive rift between players and developers.
Threadnaught doesn't even begin to describe this event. As Helicity said, it is a singularity event. When the bright flash comes, don't bother covering your eyes. Embrace it as the moment when a very large number of us have the biggest gaming moment of our lives. Both players and developers. We will talk about this for years in a way that makes the T20 event seem like an insignificant event.
I'm incredibly insulted by this devblog. I'm incredibly insulted by CCP's response over EVERYTHING right now. It is an utter slap in the face. I don't profess to know the inner workings of CCP, and I can only assume it is typical of other game developers/publishers in the sense that at some point money becomes more important than the products that are being sold to willing, passionate customers. Customers who absolutely do NOT want to believe this is happening are suddenly living the nightmare.
I've played since beta 2003. My wife earned her college degree doing homework every night while mining, missioning, etc. We've subbed repeatedly over the years, coming back to Eve when things like wormholes and T3's were introduced, and cancelled when things like T20 happened. If this is not resolved to our liking, this will be the last time we ever sub Eve again. Seven accounts isn't much in the big scheme of things, but that is $100+ per month that can go to paying off a mortgage early, saving up for a vacation, or playing other MMO's that haven't hit the failscade that Eve suddenly has.
I've rarely posted on these forums. I'm no one important, this isn't even my main (already cancelled him and couldn't be bothered to post with him honestly, this is the last post I'll make until something, or, nothing happens. I'm not even going to tell you what I think you need to do to resolve this. I think you can get a pretty good idea based on the massive firebomb that has exploded in your midst.
This post will get lost in the rabble and walls of text, but I'm ok with that. I hope someone at CCP reads it. The ride over the years has been incredible. No other game has given me the adrenaline rush and excitement as pvp in Eve has. I will miss it. But I won't be lied to, deceived, insulted, or placated. I won't even demand answers or satisfaction. What you DO will speak louder than anything you can say at this point.
Look at what is happening in Jita right now. Amarr. Look at what is happening on your forums. I'm seeing players post that I haven't seen post in years. I'm seeing in-game enemies, friends, alliance mates, etc posting. It is a shame. A downright shame.
An incredible shame.
We're not losing out here, CCP. You are - on community like this, the community that brought you the success and fame - the "golden goose" that you have slaughtered at the table, searching its belly for golden eggs. ---
R.I.P.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1607]
Originally by: Eoins Alt
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
so...yes or no?
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DanMck
Amarr Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:00:00 -
[1608]
you need a new public relations department.
you seem to have lost touch with the player base.
the road you are on is the road to destruction , please stop , think and listen.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:01:00 -
[1609]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Are you ****ing kidding me? There's one question we want answered, and only one question. We want to know if you are planning to introduce items of power/convenience in the NeX store.
The fact you completely ignore this question further compounds the rage. You somehow didn't notice the 6500 post thread with people demanding an answer for this question? You treat us with utter contempt and you don't even realise it... ...oh wait
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Koronakesh
Amarr Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:01:00 -
[1610]
Was your last job speech-writing for Mubarak, because jesus ****ing christ that blog
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Jacob Kelbrand
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:01:00 -
[1611]
Originally by: CSM Seleene Based on the devblog, and my impressions from the conversations I have had in recent days, it is my opinion that CCP has decided upon a strategy with respect to virtual goods and Incarna, and that they are going to fearlessly implement it regardless of feedback from CSM or the players.
Our words, and yours, on this issue seem to be worthless. Only our actions have any weight.
I am carefully considering what to do next as I mull all this over.
Or maybe they havent decided either way yet? Prehaps the MT strategy is still in the works, can't we reserve the rage untill they actually come out and say that there will be MT's for non vanity items?
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Straahl
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:01:00 -
[1612]
Edited by: Straahl on 25/06/2011 01:01:39 CCP,
I doubt you'll read this, as it'll probably be lost in the threadnaught, but I have really lost faith in your game and of you as a company.
Your devblog in response to our concerns was unsatisfactory. You had a chance to put out the fire and appease the majority of your player-base by simply answering some well deserved questions. Remember, though you may have outside investors, we, the customers, are also your investors. When the day comes that EVE is no longer your "cash cow" or "golden goose", which is looking like it may be sooner than later, will you address the concerns of your corporate investors the same way you did your customers?
I am completely disillusioned at what you have become. You have bitten off more than you can chew by producing DUST 514 and World of Darkness and now EVE is suffering for it. You are trying to milk your cash cow for every drop that it is worth and in turn are killing it. Don't pretend like it isn't happening because you have offered no evidence to suggest otherwise. If you lose EVE, how do you expect to complete DUST 514 and World of Darkness. Outside investors won't invest in your other projects because with the collapse of EVE, they have just now become high risk projects.
There is a saying I'm sure you're familiar with, "high risk, high gain". Is it really worth risking EVE and your other projects just for this high gain? Just so you can afford those $1000 jeans you speak of?
Honestly, I really expected more from this devblog. Did I expect you to put an end to the torch and pitchforks? No. But I at least expected you to show the courtesy of actually listening and answering our questions directly; not tip-toe around the issues. However, after reading about how dissatisfied some of your employees are with your communication and professionalism within CCP, I am not surprised in the least by your response.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Whether these are real testimonials or not, it is pretty clear what the general consensus is that's hurting your company. Your complete lack of understanding and communication is not only suffering between you and your consumers, but between you and your employees. I now understand why it is too much to ask of you, CCP, for a decent response -- because you cannot even manage communication internally.
It may be a drop in the bucket within the grand scheme of things, but I plan on canceling all 4 of my accounts. You have broken my heart CCP. I was one of the few that actually supported the idea of Incarna. But you have taken things too far and you either do not understand what you did wrong, or you will not admit it.
There is still a chance for you to turn this around CCP. But you are quickly using up your nine lives. This devblog was a slap in the face to dedicated players like myself and there is no excuse for that. We are not the golden geese with $1000 jeans you think we are. I for one will not continue to pay you to kill your own game. You can do that for free.
If you turn things around, I will be back, I promise you.
"There was once a dream that was EVE."
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General Foom
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:01:00 -
[1613]
This is Great
look at the amount if genuine rational questioning and involved interest in CCP policy
which is a video game....
if the people of Iceland had this level of involvement and intellectual interest in its banking system when they decide to pursue the "Greed is good" path.....perhaps then Their economy wouldn't have completely collapsed leaving the people of Iceland to pick up the tab.
learn from you greedy bankers CCP. greed is not good.
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Mark Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:03:00 -
[1614]
Originally by: nodezeon Extract from CCP Zulu's last Dev blog...
So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy. We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
That's the thing. The same month that that dev blog went up was when the Greed is Good document was coming out. Granted; they didn't intend for us to see it, and it was simply intended as an internal conversation. But this is just another example of something that CCP has been horrible at for a long time; putting out one, singular, unified, clear message. It says, whether intentionally or not, that they're saying one thing and doing another. And we need to go back to one "party line," whatever it is. If that happens, it will help at least some of the rage, if not all of it.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:04:00 -
[1615]
Quoted to make sure that CCP reads the words of its players.
Originally by: Straahl Edited by: Straahl on 25/06/2011 01:01:39 CCP,
I doubt you'll read this, as it'll probably be lost in the threadnaught, but I have really lost faith in your game and of you as a company.
Your devblog in response to our concerns was unsatisfactory. You had a chance to put out the fire and appease the majority of your player-base by simply answering some well deserved questions. Remember, though you may have outside investors, we, the customers, are also your investors. When the day comes that EVE is no longer your "cash cow" or "golden goose", which is looking like it may be sooner than later, will you address the concerns of your corporate investors the same way you did your customers?
I am completely disillusioned at what you have become. You have bitten off more than you can chew by producing DUST 514 and World of Darkness and now EVE is suffering for it. You are trying to milk your cash cow for every drop that it is worth and in turn are killing it. Don't pretend like it isn't happening because you have offered no evidence to suggest otherwise. If you lose EVE, how do you expect to complete DUST 514 and World of Darkness. Outside investors won't invest in your other projects because with the collapse of EVE, they have just now become high risk projects.
There is a saying I'm sure you're familiar with, "high risk, high gain". Is it really worth risking EVE and your other projects just for this high gain? Just so you can afford those $1000 jeans you speak of?
Honestly, I really expected more from this devblog. Did I expect you to put an end to the torch and pitchforks? No. But I at least expected you to show the courtesy of actually listening and answering our questions directly; not tip-toe around the issues. However, after reading about how dissatisfied some of your employees are with your communication and professionalism within CCP, I am not surprised in the least by your response.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Whether these are real testimonials or not, it is pretty clear what the general consensus is that's hurting your company. Your complete lack of understanding and communication is not only suffering between you and your consumers, but between you and your employees. I now understand why it is too much to ask of you, CCP, for a decent response -- because you cannot even manage communication internally.
It may be a drop in the bucket within the grand scheme of things, but I plan on canceling all 4 of my accounts. You have broken my heart CCP. I was one of the few that actually supported the idea of Incarna. But you have taken things too far and you either do not understand what you did wrong, or you will not admit it.
There is still a chance for you to turn this around CCP. But you are quickly using up your nine lives. This devblog was a slap in the face to dedicated players like myself and there is no excuse for that. We are not the golden geese with $1000 jeans you think we are. I for one will not continue to pay you to kill your own game. You can do that for free.
If you turn things around, I will be back, I promise you.
"There was once a dream that was EVE."
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Katcaeks
Caldari SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:04:00 -
[1616]
Originally by: Crunchmeister
Originally by: Katcaeks I work for a multi billion telecommuncations company which has a reputation for poor customer service. The CEO during this time basically wanted to make as much money off customers as he could and do it as cheaply as humanly possible, making all kinds of cuts, offshoring a lot of centres and the work quality and customer service dropped a great deal as a result.
You work for Bell Canada?
No, we offer a lot more than Bell Canada, and we are not located in Canada or America.
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GloryHole
Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:04:00 -
[1617]
Dear CCP,
Ambulation is a dream I have shared with you for years, well done on getting it started.
Attaching the "NeX" to this feature has ruined it. In Fact "NeX" was not a good idea.
I am fine with PLEX it was a great idea.
I am not fine with our subscriptions going into development of game that clearly will not work
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cytex malrone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:05:00 -
[1618]
Originally by: Thundergulch
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Maggot Jones
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
+1
They have given the answer to this by not answering this the answer is a resounding YES. Now we need to change there minds everyone cancel your subscription they have drawn the battle lines we need to fight this now or there will be no going back.
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DarthMopp
Gallente I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:05:00 -
[1619]
Edited by: DarthMopp on 25/06/2011 01:05:57 now this is an interesting read from glassdoor.com
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-CCP-Games-RVW993686.htm
Quote: Cons
The lack of professionalism is mind blowing. Procedures that are common in other companies are not used here and considered a waste of time. There is no solid vision for EVE which leaves employees with no other option than to start work and find out what is wanted by trial and error, this is what CCP means with Agile development.
Fun game play is not a priority, promises made to investors and aesthetics are. æIf it looks good then it is goodÆ is an often heard motto. CCP is committed to use technology in EVE as well as WoD and DUST, so certain features are made and used in EVE knowing they will not be fun, nor fit EVE and no one expects them to be appreciated by the playerbase. Alienating the playerbase of EVE further. Objections from employees who point this out are waved away.
CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itÆs cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees.
Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.
Career progression is nonexistent unless you become friends with the right clique of people and use the right corporate buzzwords. Hard work is not something that will set you apart, most people work hard until they become so disillusioned as they realise it makes no difference and slack off.
Combine this with the below average pay (CCP pays 30% to 50% less than other companies) and youÆll often hear a lot of frustration when work is discussed outside of the office by people who have been here for some time. The longer you stay the less you start to care about the game you develope, because no one else does.
Advice to Senior Management
Recruit very senior people from the games industry and actually listen to what they say. Stop believing your own hype.
what the **** am i paying you for, huh?
Comitted to excellence? Sure!
And am i the only one who thinks that its time for Hilmar to stand up, put on the fireproof underwear and face the community his company is apparently showing the middle finger right now? Not some poor Pawn whoŠs sent in first to get roasted. This is a job for holy-ceo-batman. So come on Hilmar....show us your "Future Vision" of EvE.
"Alea iacta est"
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Guinness Renko
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:05:00 -
[1620]
Originally by: Sinker1345
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Signed.
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RU Sirius
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:05:00 -
[1621]
This >
Originally by: Jade Constantine Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.
Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:
1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.
CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.
2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?
3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?
Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.
So hereÆs the thing.
The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.
I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.
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Ben Fenix
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:06:00 -
[1622]
-----*sarcasm on*-----
Could it be that CCP is on drugs? I mean really...
1. they sell pants for a prize similar to a faction battleship 2. they set the prize of real life clothing in comparison with their pixel creations 3. they write devblogs which obviously state that they give a **** on their customers 4. they aren't capable of addressing the most primary concerns of their customers 5. they can't even answer a simple question
Sober-minded people wouldn't act like that. Seriously.
It could be so simple. Please CCP read closely: ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT? The only thing you need to do is to answer this simple question.
Instead of writing a devblog telling that you give a damn **** on us you could have brought this to a sudden end. But maybe we are all wrong. Let us try to follow your logic behing the prizing of your insanity store...
Thats what you think CCP:
virtual pants = virtual battleship virtual pants = real pants
and now following your logic down the road:
real pants = real battleship real battleship = virtual battleship
You know what that means, don't you? It would mean that a virtual battleship sold by your insanity market would have to cost proportionally the same as a real battleship.
Not to mention that you just want to tell us that you buy real-life pants which are as expensive as a real-life battleship.
If you're not on drugs I really don't know what is wrong with you guys. Maybe you should get some serious help from a psychotherapist.
-----*sarcasm off*-----
I'm really concerned about all of this. I'm already seeing the day coming when CCP introduces non-vanity items. This will be the day I will definitely quit. Actually I don't think that CCP will give us the answers we are demanding. Hopefully their hangover isn't going to be too hard so that they can realize what they have done.
This is a very sad day for all of us capsuleers. __________________________________ Space is massive. Humanity is not. |
Crunchmeister
Gallente Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:06:00 -
[1623]
Originally by: Katcaeks
Originally by: Crunchmeister
Originally by: Katcaeks I work for a multi billion telecommuncations company which has a reputation for poor customer service. The CEO during this time basically wanted to make as much money off customers as he could and do it as cheaply as humanly possible, making all kinds of cuts, offshoring a lot of centres and the work quality and customer service dropped a great deal as a result.
You work for Bell Canada?
No, we offer a lot more than Bell Canada, and we are not located in Canada or America.
lol Just thought I'd venture that guess. It sounded very familiar. Except the "getting better" part. I'm sure other Canadians would agree.
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Goatse Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:06:00 -
[1624]
You're not sorry, you're sorry that you got found out.
Find a new job zulu
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:06:00 -
[1625]
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
If your going to complete ignore us and go ahead with what you want for eve you could at least have the decency to tell us to our face.
But hey your world is worth less than trit atm so we'll just make our own assumptions and everything is pointing towards you selling game breaking items and stuff we could already get (where did those faction towers go?) to squeeze every cent out of us. ------------------- piccy |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:06:00 -
[1626]
Originally by: Jacob Kelbrand
Originally by: CSM Seleene Based on the devblog, and my impressions from the conversations I have had in recent days, it is my opinion that CCP has decided upon a strategy with respect to virtual goods and Incarna, and that they are going to fearlessly implement it regardless of feedback from CSM or the players.
Our words, and yours, on this issue seem to be worthless. Only our actions have any weight.
I am carefully considering what to do next as I mull all this over.
Or maybe they havent decided either way yet? Prehaps the MT strategy is still in the works, can't we reserve the rage untill they actually come out and say that there will be MT's for non vanity items?
At least we now know where the 'Fearless' remark comes from.
If they're using the Fearless remark it'll happen, otherwise they're going to look even more stupid than they do now.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:07:00 -
[1627]
Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 25/06/2011 01:09:35 Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 25/06/2011 01:08:38 While I still can, one last post.
Let me highlight the relevant feature of that blog post
Originally by: Mark Raynor
Originally by: nodezeon Extract from CCP Zulu's last Dev blog...
So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy. We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Stop asking questions - unsubscribe and do not login: Affect their bottom line
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Firid Soulbane
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:08:00 -
[1628]
Your reasonining for introducing NeX was to give players a chance to customize stuff and give things a personal touch. But all this takes extra dev effort and thats why you would be charging for it. If thats the case then we should only be paying for the dev work going into creating this extra customization. So you have no reason to sell your stuff at those extreme prices since lowering price would increase demand and thus bring in same amount of $$$.
You say its vanity items only in this dev blog and that we dont have to buy them. But a 68$ monocle thats just plain greed from CCP's side.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:08:00 -
[1629]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Huh? It was a yes or no question. I'm willing to accept y/n. It only takes one letter.
To respond to your response: 1. Fearless spoke volumes more than your response. 2. A $1000 pair of pants is a pair of pants made by a high profile, high fashion designer. Not the first thing a company puts on the market. This is a new market for CCP. A market nearly a decade old. A market CCP is late to enter, not an early innovator. You can't really expect early adopters anymore.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:09:00 -
[1630]
Originally by: Cosmoes
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
If your going to complete ignore us and go ahead with what you want for eve you could at least have the decency to tell us to our face.
Remove display cabinet for vanity items... piece of shit expansion (if you are not censored from the word shit, I will not let you censor my use of the word shit). That's all the "Expansion" is.
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:09:00 -
[1631]
Originally by: CCP Zulu They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
Then why do some of the recent changes implemented support the pro-MT exaggeration?
You might be able to convince me that the pro/con argument page was exaggerated. However, moving on to "Delivering the Goods: Virtual Sales in Incarna". This isn't a debate article. It seems to be stating current direction (desired if not actual). Originally by: Fearless newsletter- Delivering the Goods: Virtual Sales in Incarna Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.
How many threadnaughts does it take to convince you?
Originally by: Fearless newsletter- Delivering the Goods: Virtual Sales in Incarna One other service weÆre looking at is selling faction standings.
See my first point. Visibility of other characters' faction standings was removed without warning. Yes, the "show info" screen paused while stuff loaded, but suggestions were in the papercuts thread that BFF were looking through (e.g. collapsed folders/sub tabs) that could have been implemented without any qualms from anybody.
Does Fearless go through PR before publication? If so, I think you need to review your policies. Always assume everything that is published in the company name will hit public eyes. Disclaimers about "not company policy" mean nothing when the people expressing their opinions are the people that seem to make the design decisions. I'm amazed that you didn't expect this response as soon as it was published.
Given the forum's dislike of MT in general, and absolute hatred of non-vanity MT, choosing anyone from either Game design or management (or Dr. Eyjo) for the pro-MT argument was idiotic at best. For a debate article that is fictional/exaggerated, don't associate the sections. Use Side 1 vs Side 2. As the text doesn't accurately represent the authors' opinions, who wrote what is irrelevant. Put 3 names in the introduction for the article instead. That would have nipped some of this in the bud as that page would be an obvious spark for discussion rather than anything more sinister.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:10:00 -
[1632]
Originally by: Sinker1345
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? As in will there be any power/convenience items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY SHT
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer!
Made it even more clear.
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Gashblight
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:10:00 -
[1633]
Edited by: Gashblight on 25/06/2011 01:11:04
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:11:00 -
[1634]
Originally by: Jacob Kelbrand
Originally by: CSM Seleene Based on the devblog, and my impressions from the conversations I have had in recent days, it is my opinion that CCP has decided upon a strategy with respect to virtual goods and Incarna, and that they are going to fearlessly implement it regardless of feedback from CSM or the players.
Our words, and yours, on this issue seem to be worthless. Only our actions have any weight.
I am carefully considering what to do next as I mull all this over.
Or maybe they havent decided either way yet? Prehaps the MT strategy is still in the works, can't we reserve the rage untill they actually come out and say that there will be MT's for non vanity items?
Except CCP previously committed to not sell non-vanity items. The fact it is even being considered is an issue.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:11:00 -
[1635]
Bumped to make sure this gets read about how your players feel.
Originally by: Straahl Edited by: Straahl on 25/06/2011 01:01:39 CCP,
I doubt you'll read this, as it'll probably be lost in the threadnaught, but I have really lost faith in your game and of you as a company.
Your devblog in response to our concerns was unsatisfactory. You had a chance to put out the fire and appease the majority of your player-base by simply answering some well deserved questions. Remember, though you may have outside investors, we, the customers, are also your investors. When the day comes that EVE is no longer your "cash cow" or "golden goose", which is looking like it may be sooner than later, will you address the concerns of your corporate investors the same way you did your customers?
I am completely disillusioned at what you have become. You have bitten off more than you can chew by producing DUST 514 and World of Darkness and now EVE is suffering for it. You are trying to milk your cash cow for every drop that it is worth and in turn are killing it. Don't pretend like it isn't happening because you have offered no evidence to suggest otherwise. If you lose EVE, how do you expect to complete DUST 514 and World of Darkness. Outside investors won't invest in your other projects because with the collapse of EVE, they have just now become high risk projects.
There is a saying I'm sure you're familiar with, "high risk, high gain". Is it really worth risking EVE and your other projects just for this high gain? Just so you can afford those $1000 jeans you speak of?
Honestly, I really expected more from this devblog. Did I expect you to put an end to the torch and pitchforks? No. But I at least expected you to show the courtesy of actually listening and answering our questions directly; not tip-toe around the issues. However, after reading about how dissatisfied some of your employees are with your communication and professionalism within CCP, I am not surprised in the least by your response.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Whether these are real testimonials or not, it is pretty clear what the general consensus is that's hurting your company. Your complete lack of understanding and communication is not only suffering between you and your consumers, but between you and your employees. I now understand why it is too much to ask of you, CCP, for a decent response -- because you cannot even manage communication internally.
It may be a drop in the bucket within the grand scheme of things, but I plan on canceling all 4 of my accounts. You have broken my heart CCP. I was one of the few that actually supported the idea of Incarna. But you have taken things too far and you either do not understand what you did wrong, or you will not admit it.
There is still a chance for you to turn this around CCP. But you are quickly using up your nine lives. This devblog was a slap in the face to dedicated players like myself and there is no excuse for that. We are not the golden geese with $1000 jeans you think we are. I for one will not continue to pay you to kill your own game. You can do that for free.
If you turn things around, I will be back, I promise you.
"There was once a dream that was EVE."
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Placid09
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:11:00 -
[1636]
Originally by: CCP Zulu While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
I call bull****. You're saying it's their jobs to money grab every last cent they think they can out of their loyal customers? If that's the case then I won't be staying out of principal, and I guarantee you I'm not the only one. We give CCP as a company our trust and our business, and it's employee's try to **** us. Sorry, but any grips that people have made AT the employee's are fair in my eyes, they are messing with us.
If one of your lawmakers leaves comments about ****ing the tax payers out of as much money as possible on a leaked form, you're going to be ****ed at that lawmaker. He is messing with YOU. Same as those people are messing with US!
-5 accounts, **** CCP.
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Seamus Odoone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:12:00 -
[1637]
EVE playerbase encounters CCP Zulu
CCP Zulu uses '**** you' Seamus uses counter and unsubs account
Seamus wins the battle and receives $30/month back.
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:12:00 -
[1638]
Good girl on eve radio she finally brought up the non vanity issue
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HoboWithAShip
They That Are
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:13:00 -
[1639]
Originally by: Da Gooch Good girl on eve radio she finally brought up the non vanity issue
It took them long enough.
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Vol Arm'OOO
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:13:00 -
[1640]
EVE is not like other games -- it is different, bolder, more foward thinking. As with the rest of the game its market place should not be like other games' markets. I dont have a problem with ccp selling things on the market for what ever price it is able to get from its customers. But ccp should not be selling completed items. Instead ccp should only be selling BPC to create items. For instance instead of eelling the monicole -- ccp should sell a bpc for the monicole and then with teh more avr spent the more runs you get. The player would then have to go into the game and acquire the items necessary to make the items. The compenents would be obtained from pi, mining and mission drps. CCP could also seed the universe with rare drps necessary to make the items. With this system -- everyone is happy -- ccp has its real money market and the players get an improved market with new ways for regular players to make isk from industry and the market.
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Vhaine Vhindiscar
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:14:00 -
[1641]
Dear CCP,
Be Less Evil. Listen to players more. Make a game we like and want to pay for. You'll have less days like this and we'll all get along so much better.
Thank you.
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LT Wolf
Pyro-Tech Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:14:00 -
[1642]
Truly disappointed with that crap blog. Not logging in tell they sort this out.
money counts right? 3 more accounts looking at the door.
Hope the weekend has better news.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:15:00 -
[1643]
Originally by: Da Gooch Good girl on eve radio she finally brought up the non vanity issue
Who is 'she'? Pann?
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Allyria Kylari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:15:00 -
[1644]
Everyone, please read these posts by anonymous CCP employees: Link
Over the past 3 years, CCP employees have rated job satisfaction at and average of 2.4 out of 10
Here are some examples:
"Managers tend to hide things from the staff and are more reactive than proactive. The company has asked for trust yet has done nothing but hide facts and information from the staff to create a level of distrust and anxiety never seen before."
"The salary is not conform (roughly 30% on average below and no annual or other adjustments for inflation or currency values) industry standards for either side of the Atlanic"
"All that remains is the social interaction between select groups at CCP. Apathy quickly sets in with new people, no matter how much you try to involve them and encourage them. Initiatives from staff to counter this do exist, but really need embracing by management. Do not misunderstand me, it is a wonderful place to be. But it is not a place to work for long."
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:16:00 -
[1645]
Did CCP_Zulu RAGEQUIT life? :-)
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:16:00 -
[1646]
I guess we now know where Bagdad Bob found a new career... He's CCP Zulu
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:16:00 -
[1647]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Da Gooch Good girl on eve radio she finally brought up the non vanity issue
Who is 'she'? Pann?
It's Mynxee
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Swizzles Joe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:17:00 -
[1648]
The blog doesnt cover what we want to know about aur. Will it be game changing items or not? Simples.
Also for all you "dont log in people" Unsubbing and loging in would cost them more then just unsubbing. Fools if you don't login you dont cost them as much.
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:17:00 -
[1649]
None of them are good at explaining why non vanity items will crush the game, /sigh
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Token Afrodude
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:18:00 -
[1650]
Originally by: Ytrea I, like many others, cancelled my subscription after reading that internal newsletter.
I, like many others, cancelled my hope after reading the dev-blog.
^ this. I Spent a few hours in game tonight in jita trying to draw attention to this on the forums....but after thinking about it realisticly, i gave up. whats the point in getting the players to voice their own opinions when CCP doesn't listen to us anyway. A reputation for a thousand years may depend upon the conduct of a single moment. -Ernest Bramah
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Hieronymus Alexandre
Fashionable Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:19:00 -
[1651]
Originally by: Bloodpetal Quoted to make sure that CCP reads the words of its players.
Originally by: Straahl Edited by: Straahl on 25/06/2011 01:01:39 CCP,
I doubt you'll read this, as it'll probably be lost in the threadnaught, but I have really lost faith in your game and of you as a company.
Your devblog in response to our concerns was unsatisfactory. You had a chance to put out the fire and appease the majority of your player-base by simply answering some well deserved questions. Remember, though you may have outside investors, we, the customers, are also your investors. When the day comes that EVE is no longer your "cash cow" or "golden goose", which is looking like it may be sooner than later, will you address the concerns of your corporate investors the same way you did your customers?
I am completely disillusioned at what you have become. You have bitten off more than you can chew by producing DUST 514 and World of Darkness and now EVE is suffering for it. You are trying to milk your cash cow for every drop that it is worth and in turn are killing it. Don't pretend like it isn't happening because you have offered no evidence to suggest otherwise. If you lose EVE, how do you expect to complete DUST 514 and World of Darkness. Outside investors won't invest in your other projects because with the collapse of EVE, they have just now become high risk projects.
There is a saying I'm sure you're familiar with, "high risk, high gain". Is it really worth risking EVE and your other projects just for this high gain? Just so you can afford those $1000 jeans you speak of?
Honestly, I really expected more from this devblog. Did I expect you to put an end to the torch and pitchforks? No. But I at least expected you to show the courtesy of actually listening and answering our questions directly; not tip-toe around the issues. However, after reading about how dissatisfied some of your employees are with your communication and professionalism within CCP, I am not surprised in the least by your response.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Whether these are real testimonials or not, it is pretty clear what the general consensus is that's hurting your company. Your complete lack of understanding and communication is not only suffering between you and your consumers, but between you and your employees. I now understand why it is too much to ask of you, CCP, for a decent response -- because you cannot even manage communication internally.
It may be a drop in the bucket within the grand scheme of things, but I plan on canceling all 4 of my accounts. You have broken my heart CCP. I was one of the few that actually supported the idea of Incarna. But you have taken things too far and you either do not understand what you did wrong, or you will not admit it.
There is still a chance for you to turn this around CCP. But you are quickly using up your nine lives. This devblog was a slap in the face to dedicated players like myself and there is no excuse for that. We are not the golden geese with $1000 jeans you think we are. I for one will not continue to pay you to kill your own game. You can do that for free.
If you turn things around, I will be back, I promise you.
"There was once a dream that was EVE."
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:19:00 -
[1652]
Originally by: Da Gooch None of them are good at explaining why non vanity items will crush the game, /sigh
Have you not played games with micro transactions before? Where wallets more then time and effort determine who wins?
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:19:00 -
[1653]
Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Sinker1345
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? As in will there be any power/convenience items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY SHT
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer!
Made it even more clear.
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:19:00 -
[1654]
Originally by: Allyria Kylari
Over the past 3 years, CCP employees have rated job satisfaction at and average of 2.4 out of 10
I'm the one who originally posted the glassdoor links, so I feel obligated to point out it is a rating of 2.4 out of 5 and not 2.4 out of 10..
Not incredibly better really, but more accurate.
We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you.
/I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
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Maeleos Strom
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:19:00 -
[1655]
Originally by: Ben Fenix -----*sarcasm on*-----
Could it be that CCP is on drugs? I mean really...
1. they sell pants for a prize similar to a faction battleship 2. they set the prize of real life clothing in comparison with their pixel creations 3. they write devblogs which obviously state that they give a **** on their customers 4. they aren't capable of addressing the most primary concerns of their customers 5. they can't even answer a simple question
Sober-minded people wouldn't act like that. Seriously.
It could be so simple. Please CCP read closely: ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT? The only thing you need to do is to answer this simple question.
Instead of writing a devblog telling that you give a damn **** on us you could have brought this to a sudden end. But maybe we are all wrong. Let us try to follow your logic behing the prizing of your insanity store...
Thats what you think CCP:
virtual pants = virtual battleship virtual pants = real pants
and now following your logic down the road:
real pants = real battleship real battleship = virtual battleship
You know what that means, don't you? It would mean that a virtual battleship sold by your insanity market would have to cost proportionally the same as a real battleship.
Not to mention that you just want to tell us that you buy real-life pants which are as expensive as a real-life battleship.
If you're not on drugs I really don't know what is wrong with you guys. Maybe you should get some serious help from a psychotherapist.
-----*sarcasm off*-----
I'm really concerned about all of this. I'm already seeing the day coming when CCP introduces non-vanity items. This will be the day I will definitely quit. Actually I don't think that CCP will give us the answers we are demanding. Hopefully their hangover isn't going to be too hard so that they can realize what they have done.
This is a very sad day for all of us capsuleers.
This is quite full of win, and much truth. CCP, what the hell are you doing ? honestly. You really should have seen this coming. If you pay people to come up with this crap, then you have people to understand the repercussions that it will have in the gaming community. Ive been following this terrifyingly intresting story the whole time and sadly, ive already started looking for other games.
If you somehow manage to get this ****storm that youve caused under control, and given us what we want, you will never truely have our trust again, nomatter what you do. We will forever be wary of your actions. your silence is only digging you deeper and the fact that you send out your Drone-dev's to eat the Doomsday that is your own customers is very unsettling.
Good luck, and im waiting with my popcorn -Mael
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TopsyTurvey
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:20:00 -
[1656]
Seriously, **** off pubbies. If you don't like it, stop playing. I for one will never MT **** but for ****s sake, someone will. Do you have a problem with some ****ing carebear ***** buying a monocle for 60 bucks? No, you won't. Give it up and stop acting like your ***** is ****ing bleeding and you can't stop it.
HTFU
Also, GROW THE **** UP.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:20:00 -
[1657]
Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 25/06/2011 01:21:05
CCP Zulu, you're not hearing us.
That "Fearless" issue presented a trio of articles that appeared to be about concrete plans, not arguments, not proposals. It wasn't "we should do this"; it was "we are planning to do this."
As much as I'd like to believe you, your defensive stance and failure to provide us any concrete statements aside from, "You're making a fuss over nothing and victimizing good people," does not inspire confidence.
I'm a long-standing defender of your practices, but my account has been unsubbed and will remain so until I start hearing better answers.
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:20:00 -
[1658]
People on eve radio if you are hitting F5 on this page, the invisible air concept is simple.
if someone can buy a tech3 ship with rl money then there will be no need to craft a tech3 ship in eve,
this removes wormhole working along with industry to craft that ship thus it leaves tech3 ship crafters nothing to craft.
this is just an example on tech3 ships, now think of this happening on every item in eve, you see what im getting at?
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Opan santel
Gallente Turbulent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:21:00 -
[1659]
Originally by: Hieronymus Alexandre
Originally by: Bloodpetal Quoted to make sure that CCP reads the words of its players.
Originally by: Straahl Edited by: Straahl on 25/06/2011 01:01:39 CCP,
I doubt you'll read this, as it'll probably be lost in the threadnaught, but I have really lost faith in your game and of you as a company.
Your devblog in response to our concerns was unsatisfactory. You had a chance to put out the fire and appease the majority of your player-base by simply answering some well deserved questions. Remember, though you may have outside investors, we, the customers, are also your investors. When the day comes that EVE is no longer your "cash cow" or "golden goose", which is looking like it may be sooner than later, will you address the concerns of your corporate investors the same way you did your customers?
I am completely disillusioned at what you have become. You have bitten off more than you can chew by producing DUST 514 and World of Darkness and now EVE is suffering for it. You are trying to milk your cash cow for every drop that it is worth and in turn are killing it. Don't pretend like it isn't happening because you have offered no evidence to suggest otherwise. If you lose EVE, how do you expect to complete DUST 514 and World of Darkness. Outside investors won't invest in your other projects because with the collapse of EVE, they have just now become high risk projects.
There is a saying I'm sure you're familiar with, "high risk, high gain". Is it really worth risking EVE and your other projects just for this high gain? Just so you can afford those $1000 jeans you speak of?
Honestly, I really expected more from this devblog. Did I expect you to put an end to the torch and pitchforks? No. But I at least expected you to show the courtesy of actually listening and answering our questions directly; not tip-toe around the issues. However, after reading about how dissatisfied some of your employees are with your communication and professionalism within CCP, I am not surprised in the least by your response.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
Whether these are real testimonials or not, it is pretty clear what the general consensus is that's hurting your company. Your complete lack of understanding and communication is not only suffering between you and your consumers, but between you and your employees. I now understand why it is too much to ask of you, CCP, for a decent response -- because you cannot even manage communication internally.
It may be a drop in the bucket within the grand scheme of things, but I plan on canceling all 4 of my accounts. You have broken my heart CCP. I was one of the few that actually supported the idea of Incarna. But you have taken things too far and you either do not understand what you did wrong, or you will not admit it.
There is still a chance for you to turn this around CCP. But you are quickly using up your nine lives. This devblog was a slap in the face to dedicated players like myself and there is no excuse for that. We are not the golden geese with $1000 jeans you think we are. I for one will not continue to pay you to kill your own game. You can do that for free.
If you turn things around, I will be back, I promise you.
"There was once a dream that was EVE."
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:21:00 -
[1660]
Edited by: Gurgeh Morat on 25/06/2011 01:23:04
Originally by: Swizzles Joe The blog doesnt cover what we want to know about aur. Will it be game changing items or not? Simples.
Also for all you "dont log in people" Unsubbing and loging in would cost them more then just unsubbing. Fools if you don't login you dont cost them as much.
But logging in doesn't affect their secondary but most immediate metric.
Unsubscribing doesn't hurt them until your subscription runs out and I believe that their strategy is partly based on the dependency the player base has on something they have invested so much time and effort into.
If you can show them that you are not so addicted that you still have to login, then they are much more likely to believe you might also not resubscribe.
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Alexis Sachs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:21:00 -
[1661]
Originally by: Da Gooch People on eve radio if you are hitting F5 on this page, the invisible air concept is simple.
if someone can buy a tech3 ship with rl money then there will be no need to craft a tech3 ship in eve,
this removes wormhole working along with industry to craft that ship thus it leaves tech3 ship crafters nothing to craft.
this is just an example on tech3 ships, now think of this happening on every item in eve, you see what im getting at?
We need to get you on there.
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Token Afrodude
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:22:00 -
[1662]
Originally by: TopsyTurvey Seriously, **** off pubbies. If you don't like it, stop playing. I for one will never MT **** but for ****s sake, someone will. Do you have a problem with some ****ing carebear ***** buying a monocle for 60 bucks? No, you won't. Give it up and stop acting like your ***** is ****ing bleeding and you can't stop it.
HTFU
Also, GROW THE **** UP.
quoting an idiot who hasnt trained "Reading Comprehension" to I yet. A reputation for a thousand years may depend upon the conduct of a single moment. -Ernest Bramah
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:22:00 -
[1663]
Originally by: TopsyTurvey Seriously, **** off pubbies. If you don't like it, stop playing. I for one will never MT **** but for ****s sake, someone will. Do you have a problem with some ****ing carebear ***** buying a monocle for 60 bucks? No, you won't. Give it up and stop acting like your ***** is ****ing bleeding and you can't stop it.
HTFU
Also, GROW THE **** UP.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, IT IS NOT ABOUT $60 MONOCLES.
Also, this is directed at CCP
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:23:00 -
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Repeating myself abit again to clarify a few things.
NeX store, high prices:
#1: Stops the plex demand spike from happening, this is costing the marketmonguls that speculated for this to happen a great deal of isk. Good job CCP, doing as you've said 'Try to make people not be able to benefit from a patch by going over sisi, checking patchnotes beforehand'.
#2: In eve, you can resell your 1000$ jeans for 989.99$ when you grow tired off them, even if you've worn them for a year. Compared to them being bound to your character... That means your pants in actuallity cost you $11.01. If they remove your pants from their sortiment, that means your item might well be worth 2000$ in two years.
#3: Vanity clothes, costly enough that not everybody and his dog buys a plex to try thoose first high priced items? (See #1 and #2 btw) Vanity... means Vanity. We got exactly what we asked for. But I'll take no part in it till we get more of WiS rolled out.
The Inhouse Document, Remember school when you were told to debate the opposite viewpoint as excersize?
#1 Already at the title and the edition you do realize, once your not thinking its a spoof, with how big a truckload of salt you should read it. "Greed is Good?"(questionmark at the end) "Gordon Gekko Edition" <-Who after reading this takes the document at face value?
#2 You have one guy being Gekko, capturing the character quite neatly, exaggeratting ideas and toughts to cause a debate in written form to alot of co-workers.
#3 The lead producer churns out all the weird **** he has heard, stuff has been presented to him etc. He presents it in this doc as his own opinions because he has been asked to write blantantly pro MT.
#4 They need to discuss thoose things for their coming titles, the company as a whole dont have a frame of reference to their two coming titles. The debate is hence set to use EvE as their frame of reference, because everyone is familliar with her and can see the concepts. The Expansion: #1 We got exactly what we were told, and it shows great promise for things to come. Staggered releases. As promised.
#2 New turrets, Yarr. I'll love to see when they start dusting of old effects and the like.
#3 The Door, yeah. this is poorly done. I cant actually say much about it other then simply: Give me old hangar and option to go to my quarters(Yes mam!)
#4 Bugfixes, great. More of thoose please.
Now: I would not mind people buying a vanity luxuary shuttle in the nex, nor would I bash ccp if they wanted to sell advantages to newbies(up to 10m sp or so). They need to get newbies to stay. If that means newbies can buy abit of a faster skilltraining or get abit of standings to get faster to where they think they can enjoy the game and hence stay: No problem. The failure is CCP need to say this. I do not think the community would object to newbies being able to get a better start/get going in eve. GTC/PLEX already accomplishes this to an extent. Why not make it better stuff then isk, that realy gets you nowhere :P. I for one, want new players in eve.
I would be quite upset if 'raise your faction to 9.99' 'paintjob 10% extra armor included' offers suddenly appeared in the noble store and take my money elsewhere. Until that happens, I will not judge CCP for internal discussions, nor their toughts.
Fly safe, pewpew and remember to use reason.
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:23:00 -
[1665]
Originally by: Alexis Sachs
Originally by: Da Gooch People on eve radio if you are hitting F5 on this page, the invisible air concept is simple.
if someone can buy a tech3 ship with rl money then there will be no need to craft a tech3 ship in eve,
this removes wormhole working along with industry to craft that ship thus it leaves tech3 ship crafters nothing to craft.
this is just an example on tech3 ships, now think of this happening on every item in eve, you see what im getting at?
We need to get you on there.
i wish i could get on there soooo bad you have no idea.
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:24:00 -
[1666]
Originally by: TopsyTurvey Seriously, **** off pubbies. If you don't like it, stop playing. I for one will never MT **** but for ****s sake, someone will. Do you have a problem with some ****ing carebear ***** buying a monocle for 60 bucks? No, you won't. Give it up and stop acting like your ***** is ****ing bleeding and you can't stop it.
HTFU
Also, GROW THE **** UP.
Ironic you telling people to grow up when you rant about other people ranting AND of course don't know what you're talking about. People are not upset about vanity RMT.
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Carcusian
Global Criminal Countdown
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:24:00 -
[1667]
Thought I'd share my feelings over this expansion.
CCP used to be hush-hush about cool things they knew would make us hard. Now they seem to hush-hush to minimize our rage. I wish for the same open relationship now as I had with them in '04/'05.
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:24:00 -
[1668]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Antonius Hari
BoB Enterprises Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:24:00 -
[1669]
They(CCP) so much have the cart before the horse. THe key to increased revenue is proper marketing and devepoling a good product that will help the marketing plan.
THe constant chase for new content means the consumer is confiused what to buy in store. A good example is in Australia, Coke has not succesfully been able to introduce to us the flavours of the USa. WHy because we (australians) are a different market.
Eve players are a different group of MMO players,.
In Australia the player base is small, i say eve to someone, and the person i talk to goes, "Whats that" or " I think i heard of it" If they want more revenue they need subscriptions. if they want subscriptions they need to work on what they have and selling that better. The Iceland mentally is a economic killer anyway they have proven that by as a nation going to the brink of bankruptcy. CCP are trying to open the current base players wallets more, rather than introduce a new players wallet, this places demands on the existing player.
When you make a player pay more for content you exhaust the player. TO compare us to golfers and concert goers is the poorest of anagolgys. Niether of those can i afford not with a fmaily can i attend, EVE lets me have a hobby i enjoy at a price while being in proxmity to my family. If they allowed me to buy ammo and shisp and slots, they would move many of the eve players that are the same as myself out of eve. In these days of economic uncertainaty , people will, close their wallet before they open it.
People say PLEX selliing is not damaging , that is also wrong.i know many people now pay by plex, the number is rising, but also what we are doing is providing the very rich with their ships with more immediately.] I know a few in our alliance that no longer PVP as much as before as they grind missions to get enough isk to get isk to keep playing, If EVE is about PVP, i would say its more and more the rich in game or those with T2 BPOS and r64 moons can PVP. I am fortunate i am still lving of isk i made pre the new style plex(3 years ago) and some inherited (the inherited mainly went into alliance anyway)
EVE in its current state does not encourage PVP, nor other intriguing social interaction. Remember mid 2006 to thsoe players, their was a deep null sec system that was safe for all protected by its alliance as a freeport. WIth the need for bigger wallets and others in game needing to fund battles elsewhere it put pressure to artifically change the game.
There are many allainces who make you pay subscription to their forums and websites. All it does is flood plex , makes the big allainces to be run buy RMT converted to plex, and encourages more players to the grind for non cash game time. IF one rich player in your alliance starts commiting $1000 a month to plex because he wants his alliance to roll, how can others without benefactors compete against that
CCP are killing the amount of PVP , they encourage you to blob or grind, there are small pockets of us that have deliberalety avoided both, but at times you have to retreat for long periods when big alaince decide you are bored, at which point you are competing agaisnt this falsiefied economy
Thats my rant, CCP are failing and need to find out what they are about, before they decide where they are going. BIG NO!!!!
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Morgs44
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:24:00 -
[1670]
So he's giving real life examples a... Well my brand name pants don't cost the same a 33 space shuttles.
Maybe they are trying to get rid of us older player and bring in wow player However there is no way most of the wow player are going to be able to run this on there crappy computer.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:25:00 -
[1671]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 01:25:06
Originally by: TopsyTurvey Seriously, **** off pubbies. If you don't like it, stop playing. I for one will never MT **** but for ****s sake, someone will. Do you have a problem with some ****ing carebear ***** buying a monocle for 60 bucks? No, you won't. Give it up and stop acting like your ***** is ****ing bleeding and you can't stop it.
HTFU
Also, GROW THE **** UP.
Hardly anyone gives a rat's arse about monocles.
Don't you ever read anything or do you have a very short memory?
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Kno Bodeesbitch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:27:00 -
[1672]
Dear CCP, I just read your latest blog. Question: do you guys pass these blogs around the office before you decide to post them for quality control? Seriously, are you trying to fan the flames or put them out?
The whole tone of the blog sucked...it really came off as arrogant. Mind you, this is coming from a guy who was a big fan.
Yesterday I was a fanboi...today I am ambivalent...tomorrow...I guess we will see.
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Lussac Trigalle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:27:00 -
[1673]
Originally by: Vim
I would be quite upset if 'raise your faction to 9.99' 'paintjob 10% extra armor included' offers suddenly appeared in the noble store and take my money elsewhere. Until that happens, I will not judge CCP for internal discussions, nor their toughts.
Fly safe, pewpew and remember to use reason.
Well this will be an important lesson to you in the future. Please save this post and reread it in 12 months time and write 100 times "I must remember to read between the lines"
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:27:00 -
[1674]
Edited by: Niko Lorenzio on 25/06/2011 01:29:25 Wow.....
just....wow.......
W O W.... Never thought CCP, my favorite gaming company of all time would be blinded by greed. I use those words exactly because that is EXACTLY what it is, nothing less or more. All your justfications are nothing less than attempts to make yourself look better in your own eyes.
Power & Greed corrupts even the best of us, unfortunately.
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Helothane
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:28:00 -
[1675]
The difference between purchasing a $1000 pair of pants in real life and a $80 monocle in EVE is that in real life I own those pair of pants. They are also a tangible, real asset. The $80 monocle in EVE not something that I own. Everything in EVE is owned by CCP. That is why it is against the EULA to sell ISK. We don't own the virtual assets in the game. The $80 monocle is also not a tangible asset. CCP goes bankrupt and shuts down the server, the monocle goes away. The Japanese firm that created the pants goes bankrupt, I still have my pair of pants.
That is the difference.
P.S. I am sitting here, wearing a $375 pair of Japanese jeans, so yes, I am willing to pay money for something like that. But I will not pay $80 for the collection of bits that look like a monocle.
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MrDoco
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:28:00 -
[1676]
Normally I do not respond to issues like this because I believe that companies are allowed to make money to grow. If they don't, then we wouldn't have a game content we all love. I also allow leeway for bugs that aren't addressed because there are so many problems and balance issues that once you fix one, you find others. I have played many MMOs and have experienced the rise, success and failures of those games. After seeing that many review sites and others have touted EVE as having a stable and growing player base. I assume this is because EVE keeps its current players happy and that in turn brings in new players. EVE is also known as being innovative and have gone through a lot of changes since the beginning.
Recent events with EVE/CCP has brought a concern up. The current trend of Aurun and microtx for vanity items are of little concern since they do not affect gameplay and after a minor bump in income for CCP and will diminish since it is impossible to predict what people will like or dislike. (Have a look at fashion trends in the real world or even MT in other MMOs such as Lord of the Rings Online and their tons of horse mounts with the same spec.)
If CCP goes past vanity items, and have microTX affect the core and EVE will be on borrowed time. In the short term, EVE will not hurt, you'll lose many older players but the bump in new players who can now buy their way up to the top will overcome it. These same new players though, would not have put time and effort into the game and will soon lose interest after things settle down as more older players leave. In the end, EVE will lose more players, CCP will shrink the team working on EVE or move them on to other games, more players leave and the cycle continues. If you don't think this is possible, look at Starwars Galaxy, FFXI, Everquest II, Planetside, etc.
CCP Zulu, Manifest and others, these people here on this forums are the very people I described above. These people like EVE enough to vocalize their thoughts rather than quit and move on. There will always be disagreement with any changes that occur, even if it is for improvements for the greater good of the player base. Disagreement on changes not for the player base is the one to watch out for. Personally, I like EVE a lot and would love to see it continue its growth and my SP grow.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:28:00 -
[1677]
Edited by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath on 25/06/2011 01:29:47 Hi all, While this post will probably be buried in a myriad of other posts shortly, I've read enough to voice a very small part of my concerns with the release of Incarna.
I saw the statement that said "which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions", ok, I'll give you that the expansion went smoother than "I" expected it to go, the extended downtime beyond the original assessment was shorter than I expected an extension would be, and allot of the additions were really nice.... With that said, I don't really think this would qualify as particular smooth, or successful since there was a patch to fix the patch on day one, then there was another, and then again another... ect ect Ad nauseam...
I saw another thread/blog (closed the window and can't find it again ) that made the statement that only low end systems would be affected by multi-boxing, I think they meant dual logging to be honest, but that's for a different discussion... :)
The fact of the matter is that prior to the release of Incarna, I was able to run all 5 of my accounts on this PC, two in one screen and one each in the other 3, yet, now I can't have more than 2 logged on and in a station without getting serious chop when allowing the station environment to be loaded and my graphics set on high.
So I'm Sorry CCP, I have to call "Bull-Hockey" on your claim as I know better.
Normally folks will say "pictures or it didn't happen, or some other similar saying, well, no pictures, but in one blog CCP asked for the DX Diag output, so, here's my system. (abbreviated) ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 6/24/2011, 21:21:09 Machine name: MEDIA-NEW Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110408-1631) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: System manufacturer System Model: System Product Name BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/21/10 22:14:25 Ver: 08.00.15 Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 960 @ 3.20GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.2GHz Memory: 24576MB RAM Available OS Memory: 24568MB RAM Page File: 8373MB used, 40758MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DX Setup Parameters: Not found User DPI Setting: Using System DPI System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent) DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode ------------ DxDiag Notes ------------ Display Tab 1: No problems found. Display Tab 2: No problems found. Display Tab 3: No problems found. Display Tab 4: No problems found. Sound Tab 1: No problems found. Sound Tab 2: No problems found. Sound Tab 3: No problems found. Input Tab: No problems found. --------------- Display Devices X 2 Installed cards --------------- Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GTX 460 DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0E22&SUBSYS_13733842&REV_A1 Display Memory: 4065 MB Dedicated Memory: 993 MB Shared Memory: 3071 MB Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz) Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor Monitor Model: DELL 2405FPW Monitor Id: DELA010 Native Mode: 1920 x 1200(p) (59.950Hz) Output Type: DVI Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.6724 (English) Driver Version: 8.17.12.6724 DDI Version: 11 Driver Model: WDDM 1.1 Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 2/23/2011 08:28:00, 12862568 bytes WHQL Logo'd: Yes Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives ------------------------ Drive: C: Free Space: 27.1 GB Total Space: 109.6 GB File System: NTFS Model: OCZ-VERTEX2 3.5 ATA Device
Now really CCP?, this is "low-end"?
K.S.
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claire xxx
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:28:00 -
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Vanity Items and the NEX.
Dear CCP Zulu, and CCP;
What CCP should have done, and would have given them a very nice long-term stream of revenue.
1. All vanity items are seeded as very limited and very expensive BPOs.
2. Said BPOs are not able to be reproduced as BPCs
3. Said BPOs are auctioned off in a blind auction to the highest bidders. a. Only a single BPO can be owned per Eve account.
4. Only people that own the BPOs can sell vanity items in/on the NEX.
5. The people that own BPOs can alter clothing design slightly à pockets, sleeves, coloring, length, etc. a. One shirt BPO can produce many different colors and designs of the same product.
6. The NEX prices will be player driven, like the regular market, as to how much people are willing to pay for particular items.
7. And most importantly, as an agreement to owning a BPO(s), producing items for personal profit, and having a fairly exclusive market (the NEX) CCP gets a fair cut say 15% of the sale price of every item sold on the NEX.
This would have been way more palatable to the player base, given CCP a nice revenue stream, and would have alleviated all of the aggravation and rage that CCP's customers are feeling over the outright greed of CCP.
It's not to late to pull the NEX and re-vamp (nerf it) and put out a more sensible, player driven style that benefits everyone.
~Claire XXX
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:29:00 -
[1679]
unstickied already guys?
you know we're none to happy, and then gave us that joke of a devblog.
Now you want this to disappear behind the threadnoughts?
and here I thought you were the good guys in this industry =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 ...and greed, so destructive.
Your CHOICE can make a difference CCP |
Phain Death
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:29:00 -
[1680]
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Grim IronBorne
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:30:00 -
[1681]
To: CCP EMPLOYEE'S From: The player that pays to play the game hence the one that help you have the money you spending on crack Subject: Na due long list of CCP stepping on it own **** consistently this week
Message as follows ....... What are you folks thinking seriously are you out to destroy an amazing game that you work hard to help build? I am seen some major occurrences of not thinking plans through ... Did you wipe you asses with the companies Business plan or did blizzard buy the company when know one was looking and is single handily destroying you from within or did Aliens beam down a replaced you with pod people???? Please for the love of god snap out of it and get back to the creative inspiring can do people and developers we know you are please.
Thank you
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:31:00 -
[1682]
Originally by: Lussac Trigalle
Originally by: Vim
I would be quite upset if 'raise your faction to 9.99' 'paintjob 10% extra armor included' offers suddenly appeared in the noble store and take my money elsewhere. Until that happens, I will not judge CCP for internal discussions, nor their toughts.
Fly safe, pewpew and remember to use reason.
Well this will be an important lesson to you in the future. Please save this post and reread it in 12 months time and write 100 times "I must remember to read between the lines"
Well, you can save yours then and be ready to in twelve months time write 100 times "I was wrong in taking a Gordon Gekko edition at face value"
I'll either way be having a blast the coming 12 months =)
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:31:00 -
[1683]
EVE-RADIO
WHAT HAS NOT BEEN ANSWERED IS WHETHER OR NOT AURUM WILL LET YOU BUY GAME CHANGING ITEMS
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUPER SIMPLE TO ANSWER - THEY SAID THAT A LONG TIME AGO THEY WOULDN'T, THEY AGREED TO THAT A LONG TIME AGO - BUT THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED IT SO IT HAS PEOPLE WORRIED
MYNXEE
The rest of that blog was a big "**** you" as far as I am concerned! There's a real desire from the players to find out who is responsible for this.
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Bob Machugina
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:31:00 -
[1684]
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:32:00 -
[1685]
Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE-RADIO
WHAT HAS NOT BEEN ANSWERED IS WHETHER OR NOT AURUM WILL LET YOU BUY GAME CHANGING ITEMS
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUPER SIMPLE TO ANSWER - THEY SAID THAT A LONG TIME AGO THEY WOULDN'T, THEY AGREED TO THAT A LONG TIME AGO - BUT THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED IT SO IT HAS PEOPLE WORRIED
MYNXEE
The rest of that blog was a big "**** you" as far as I am concerned! There's a real desire from the players to find out who is responsible for this.
QFT =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 ...and greed, so destructive.
Your CHOICE can make a difference CCP |
Reed Tiburon
Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:32:00 -
[1686]
Originally by: Phain Death
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Question's been answered, chief.
-1 account. ---
R.I.P.
EVE ONLINE [img]ht |
Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:32:00 -
[1687]
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Mister Dreyfus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:33:00 -
[1688]
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Thanks CCP. your "Fuck you" is loud and clear. Let me respond in kind.
Fuck. You. Too.
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Redblade
Reikoku Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:34:00 -
[1689]
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Memory: 24576MB RAM Page File: 8373MB used, 40758MB available
You have 24gb ram and still use a page file ?
Major facepalm if so.
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TheKoolEagle
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:34:00 -
[1690]
I'm 100% fine with non-vanity items being up for micro transactions.
as long as monthly fees are dropped.
can't have your cake and eat it ccp.
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Carmine Lady
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:34:00 -
[1691]
read 3 more times
its still disgusting.
CCP clearly has no respect for all past CSM members and current ones. FREE HELICITY FREE LIANG REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:35:00 -
[1692]
Originally by: Velicitia unstickied already guys?
you know we're none to happy, and then gave us that joke of a devblog.
Now you want this to disappear behind the threadnoughts?
and here I thought you were the good guys in this industry
2 faced maybe.
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:35:00 -
[1693]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Fractal Muse
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:36:00 -
[1694]
My initial response was:
lol wut?
Now, after having it settle in for a bit, my current response is... what the heck?
I don't think I've ever seen a failure to properly address an irate group of fans ever. And I've seen debacles from NCSoft (Aion Online), Sony, and Warhammer.
This 'dev blog' is brutal in how it reads and how it fails to address the issues at hand. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP Zulu has failed in retaining subscriptions but also caused more to quit.
This is indicative of the direction that EVE is going. This is a continuation of the broken trust and bad management that plagues bad games. What was once a -great- game and an amazing company has fallen... far and hard.
I cannot, in good conscious, support this company in its current form regardless of my previous staunch support for it.
CCP: :(
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:36:00 -
[1695]
I'm all madded out. Your're still ****ing ****s though CCP.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:36:00 -
[1696]
If everyone who is against this on the forums manned up, unsubscribed and refused to login until CCP gave a full and frank answer and preferably a 180Š turn around on their decided strategy.
You might, just, have a chance to change their minds.
Ultimately it doesn't hurt you. you get to go out drinking, watch some movies paint the house. Remember your kids names, take the dogs for a walk, play with a frisbee, fly a kite, reas a decent book (or the entire Neil Asher bibliography-honestly he's great)
I guarantee you it would make a difference to CCP. Sure they have planned to lose some accounts over this.
But they didn't expect it to happen now
Their planning for massive sub loss was not expected to be needed some months, even a year from now.
You can always resubscribe if they commit to reinstating the core values that Eve was built on. They may be forced to change their strategy if the golden geese actually flee the next for a period of RL social interaction.
It does you no harm, but it sends a VERY powerful message.
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Raging George
Caldari Raging Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:36:00 -
[1697]
Just one point, about ****ting on the Dev's who "courageously" took up the pro argument for MT for non-vanity items.
They are not courageous. I've played EVE since December 2006, I've watched CCP Soundwave on EVE TV, and hosting the alliance tournaments for years. I've always thought he was a pretty cool guy who got to go from playing a game he loved to designing a game he loved. And who seemed to be for the player base of EVE and for making EVE more of what it is. The game where hardcore sci-fi gamers can go and do serious business with internet spaceships, and control empires or break them. However all that trust is now gone.
He is either a corporate stooge or part of the group of liars at CCP. There are no other options if he was courageous he would have refused to write that article and suffered any consequences for not going along with the group. He would have been more courageous for doing that when he thought it would be an only internal document not less so.
CCP a lot of smart people work for you. Way more smart people play your game, you built a game where you have to be smart to succeed, don't **** that up.
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:37:00 -
[1698]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Corrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:37:00 -
[1699]
What a non answer
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Token Afrodude
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:37:00 -
[1700]
Originally by: Fractal Muse
This is indicative of the direction that EVE is going. This is a continuation of the broken trust and bad management that plagues bad games. What was once a -great- game and an amazing company has fallen... far and hard.
I cannot, in good conscious, support this company in its current form regardless of my previous staunch support for it.
CCP: :(
Oh, how the mighty have fallen. +1 A reputation for a thousand years may depend upon the conduct of a single moment. -Ernest Bramah
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:38:00 -
[1701]
This is not the time to batten down the hatches and spit out non-apologetic bull****. This is the time to actually visibly address player concerns and answer the questions, especially the one in big yellow font.
I have a current sub for two months because I took advantage of the reactivation deal and wanted to see Incarna. I have no intention of continuing beyond those two months (provided I still have Internet capable of playing the game), if the apparent direction of Eve Online is towards a microtransaction-based game, particularly if AUR or PLEX beyond an in-game advantage in any way, shape, or form.
I will accept items with a different look as long as they're functionally the same as any other faction ship or other item of the same type. I will accept expensive vanity items, even the monocle.
I will not accept items in the NEx shop that are functionally better than any item already in Eve Online. I will not accept "unlocks" that are not purely for vanity (more fitting saves or additional skillpoints being two examples of such). I will not accept any item in the NEx shop that will be viewed as mandatory or makes the game easier for those with a flush cash wallet.
Should the unacceptable happen, I will simply unsubscribe, purge the game from my system, and actively discourage others from giving your company, CCP, any business, whether through Eve Online, DUST 514, World of Darkness, or any other product you may create. At that point, you will have shown to me your utter disregard for a significant portion of your community and / or an incredible lack of understanding about what this portion of the community is looking for and values in this game.
I don't want to do this. Eve Online is unique in the MMORPG industry. It's the only space-based game that I know of that's a giant sandbox, that encourages diversity in its player base and community, and that supports as much of that community as it can, from those damned dirty ape pirates to roleplayers to scammers to the big 0.0 alliances. You haven't always succeeded, but you do it enough to keep us hooked.
Just, please, don't make Eve Online into yet another microtransaction game. Don't kill what makes Eve the game it is in some vain search for more money. Far better than any ISK you make IRL from this is the community you fostered. The community is what makes this worth the money. Not the shinies. Not the hype. The people - games and developers both - cooperate and share in making the Eve Online universe into something that enriches the lives of those that take part. Reward that. Not someone's open wallet.
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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:38:00 -
[1702]
Saw the blog. Sees that it's basicly a big "QQ" and blaming the players for the "****storm"..
CCP doesnt even admit that they are part in fault for this. Not being entirely transparent to their playerbase, infact trying their best to hide their plans..
CCP are hiding other things than simply this newsletter... (S)tuff that is only known to senior management.
EVE PIRATE BattleDB.com |
Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:39:00 -
[1703]
Originally by: Raging George Just one point, about ****ting on the Dev's who "courageously" took up the pro argument for MT for non-vanity items.
They are not courageous. I've played EVE since December 2006, I've watched CCP Soundwave on EVE TV, and hosting the alliance tournaments for years. I've always thought he was a pretty cool guy who got to go from playing a game he loved to designing a game he loved. And who seemed to be for the player base of EVE and for making EVE more of what it is. The game where hardcore sci-fi gamers can go and do serious business with internet spaceships, and control empires or break them. However all that trust is now gone.
He is either a corporate stooge or part of the group of liars at CCP. There are no other options if he was courageous he would have refused to write that article and suffered any consequences for not going along with the group. He would have been more courageous for doing that when he thought it would be an only internal document not less so.
CCP a lot of smart people work for you. Way more smart people play your game, you built a game where you have to be smart to succeed, don't **** that up.
Courage is suggesting your company shits on a promise it made to its playerbase c/d?
Had the rest of the company had any integrity, doing that would have taken some courage...
Apparently, they do not
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Caiyuga Onishi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:40:00 -
[1704]
The very second Aurum gets you balance changing items I'm out of here.
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Karos Vandarl
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:41:00 -
[1705]
while all answers are responses not all responses are answers.
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Goatse Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:42:00 -
[1706]
check out this un-educated arrogant moron:
(from LinkedIn)
Current ò Senior Producer of EVE Online at CCP Past ò Producer at CCP ò Content Director/Associate Producer at CCP ò Game Designer at CCP Education ò World <<<<<<< LOL
Working for CCP I've had hands on experience by working my way through the company to the current position. This includes QA work, both in regular testing and test server maintenance, game design; mostly game balancing and PVP mechanics and production and management.
My never-ending ambition drives me to constantly be better and obtain new heights for myself and my company.
Scheduling, planning, hands-on game knowledge.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:42:00 -
[1707]
I just love the way they tell everyone to wait until Friday for an answer. Then give a complete non-answer right as the weekend starts. The act of a guilty politician caught in a scandal, hoping things blow over or calm down before Monday.
The answers everyone is afraid of hearing are probably the ones they will give.
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Replicant Gamma
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:42:00 -
[1708]
This devblog is just simply insulting. CCP zulu - You shudnt write blogs - If this is your version of comunicating with comunity than you just brought more anger more disapointment. You damaged CCP directly
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Token Afrodude
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:42:00 -
[1709]
Originally by: Caiyuga Onishi The very second Aurum gets you balance changing items I'm out of here.
The lack of an answer to the big yellow text tells you one thing and one thing alone.
"It's Coming" A reputation for a thousand years may depend upon the conduct of a single moment. -Ernest Bramah
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Alley Specter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:42:00 -
[1710]
Here's what the wider world thinks about your devblog CCP Zulu.
Edited by: Alley Specter on 25/06/2011 01:32:20 Link
Some of the choicer comments on the article (Many of which aren't from Eve players)
"How to loose your customer base 101 is pretty much the course that guy followed."
"not only that, he seems to have also gotten a master degree in "how to lose your future customers" not touching WoD with a ten foot pole after this"
"I'm amazed. Not even Blizzard are this smug about ****-poor ideas."
"Agreed. Blizzard proved their flexibility, to my satisfaction at least, in their response to the real names on forums fiasco. Yes, it took several days to get one, but in the meantime they were constantly saying "keep posting in the feedback thread, we're listening" and when the response finally DID come, it was from Blizzard's CEO and actually addressed the major complaint as well as a few minor issues surrounding other aspects of Real ID."
"I don't even play EVE regularly but reading the forums the last few days has been morbidly fascinating. Based on what I've seen both before and after the dev blog was posted, very little in the way of actual concerns was addressed, especially regarding the demands for an answer on whether "micro"transactions would indeed eventually encompass non-vanity items. Sadly, my interest in World of Darkness fades more the longer they mismanage this mess. Especially if it turns out to be pay-to-win ON TOP OF a regular monthly fee, although obviously that's not something that will be known for some time."
"What a shame. Not two days ago I was talking to a friend about my hopes for WoD. Then as news began to break, my interest went completely out the window. "
"the bit about pricing comes across as downright confrontational. The prices are unexpected, and higher than I'd every pay, but getting all defensive about it isn't the way to handle that kind of criticism."
Getting compared negatively to even Blizzard? GG CCP
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:42:00 -
[1711]
Originally by: Redblade
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Memory: 24576MB RAM Page File: 8373MB used, 40758MB available
You have 24gb ram and still use a page file ?
Major facepalm if so.
It's an M$ fail as that's how the OS installed itself, when I finish the slipstream disk, it won't do that any more.
o/ K.S.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:43:00 -
[1712]
Originally by: Caiyuga Onishi The very second Aurum gets you balance changing items I'm out of here.
Honestly? Why wait? The writing is quite definitely on the wall. If you wait until it is introduced it will be too late.
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Redneck Logic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:43:00 -
[1713]
Come on CCP we want the truth. Just tell us what we want to know. Just answer the questions quite simple really.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:43:00 -
[1714]
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
you gotta love it when the employees tell you why their company sucks, the best quote i could find is below in all its awesome glory
"There is a blatant lack of vision and direction for the project I work on and the people leading it are allowed to remain in their position on a basis of friendship rather than competence."
^^ guess that answer the question of why they break the server every ****ing patch, answers why they never fix glitches, hell it answers the question as to how zulu kept his job
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:43:00 -
[1715]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Hey Zulu,
You actually didn't address either of those things. Nor did you address any of the huge issues that your players are actually upset about. There's no possible way you could have missed these if you looked for them which means you are either unspeakably lazy (indicating that you don't actually care) or deliberately malicious (again, indicating that you don't actually care).
Choke on your monocle, <3 Teri <3 ________________
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Fi1ippo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 -
[1716]
Originally by: M Blanc Impressive blog. First you complain about your customers, then you patronise and insult them, and to top it all off, you smoothly sidestep the one question they actually want you to answer. In case you missed it, here it is again:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
"The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick."
From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One.
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Ando Godson
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 -
[1717]
I have cancelled my accounts. I may consider returning to Eve if, and only if, microtransactions for non-vanity items are explicitly and unequivocally ruled out.
I can't guarantee that will be enough to get me back, however. The abominable way this controversy has been handled has really made me rethink any loyalty I had to CCP as a brand. A few days ago, I was someone who evangelized your product and would be first in line to buy any new products from CCP. Now I'll take a good long look before purchasing anything from you ever again.
A smug, smarmy, and altogether out of touch response to genuine concerns from the community is troubling in the extreme. I hope to come back to Eve someday, I really do; however, there's some seriously bruised trust that needs to be healed before that can ever happen. I want things fixed, as Eve is one of the most solid experiences and has the most interesting community of any game I've been a part of. The trouble is, I'm not so sure you want things fixed.
I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I hope that adding my voice to the din can help communicate that the majority of us are not happy. A lot of us are going to leave over this. I won't hazard to guess how many, but I can't imagine you're happy to see us go. Please, turn things around.
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Jessica Autumn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 -
[1718]
So now Investors and stcok holders are more important to a Game Dev then the players of said game, soif theres no players there no CCP or Eve.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 -
[1719]
Originally by: Caiyuga Onishi The very second Aurum gets you balance changing items I'm out of here.
Why waste your time and money, it'll happen.
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Jason Danneskjold
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:45:00 -
[1720]
Originally by: Alley Specter Here's what the wider world thinks about your devblog CCP Zulu.
Edited by: Alley Specter on 25/06/2011 01:32:20 Link
Some of the choicer comments on the article (Many of which aren't from Eve players)
"How to loose your customer base 101 is pretty much the course that guy followed."
"not only that, he seems to have also gotten a master degree in "how to lose your future customers" not touching WoD with a ten foot pole after this"
"I'm amazed. Not even Blizzard are this smug about ****-poor ideas."
"Agreed. Blizzard proved their flexibility, to my satisfaction at least, in their response to the real names on forums fiasco. Yes, it took several days to get one, but in the meantime they were constantly saying "keep posting in the feedback thread, we're listening" and when the response finally DID come, it was from Blizzard's CEO and actually addressed the major complaint as well as a few minor issues surrounding other aspects of Real ID."
"I don't even play EVE regularly but reading the forums the last few days has been morbidly fascinating. Based on what I've seen both before and after the dev blog was posted, very little in the way of actual concerns was addressed, especially regarding the demands for an answer on whether "micro"transactions would indeed eventually encompass non-vanity items. Sadly, my interest in World of Darkness fades more the longer they mismanage this mess. Especially if it turns out to be pay-to-win ON TOP OF a regular monthly fee, although obviously that's not something that will be known for some time."
"What a shame. Not two days ago I was talking to a friend about my hopes for WoD. Then as news began to break, my interest went completely out the window. "
"the bit about pricing comes across as downright confrontational. The prices are unexpected, and higher than I'd every pay, but getting all defensive about it isn't the way to handle that kind of criticism."
Getting compared negatively to even Blizzard? GG CCP
Come on smart guys... ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE!
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:46:00 -
[1721]
Originally by: Raging George Just one point, about ****ting on the Dev's who "courageously" took up the pro argument for MT for non-vanity items.
They are not courageous. I've played EVE since December 2006, I've watched CCP Soundwave on EVE TV, and hosting the alliance tournaments for years. I've always thought he was a pretty cool guy who got to go from playing a game he loved to designing a game he loved. And who seemed to be for the player base of EVE and for making EVE more of what it is. The game where hardcore sci-fi gamers can go and do serious business with internet spaceships, and control empires or break them. However all that trust is now gone.
He is either a corporate stooge or part of the group of liars at CCP. There are no other options if he was courageous he would have refused to write that article and suffered any consequences for not going along with the group. He would have been more courageous for doing that when he thought it would be an only internal document not less so.
CCP a lot of smart people work for you. Way more smart people play your game, you built a game where you have to be smart to succeed, don't **** that up.
Hello there. If anyone should write a document taking the pro MT standpoint and discuss it in EvE terms since everyone you work with knows what eve is, easy to relate to. I feel happy they choose one that can truly see what eve is and what it shouldnt be. The thing is that all of what soundwave is saying in there is hideous and so anti eve its caused a major ****storm to brew, fueled by forum warrior alts ofc, not presenting the other side for you either, but covering it in tons of angry posts to occlud reason to be heard. So yeah, soundwave is saying alot of things thats not eve. he knows this, but he is writting it not as Soundwave but as Gordon Gekko for the Gordon Gekko edition.
It is a difference between being told to write **** you dont agree with and put your name on it and coming up with the most hidious arguments and ideas you can think off as part of playing Gordon Gekko for a debatte article intended to cause discussion. Remember school when you had to take a side you didnt agree with and argue for it as exercise? Who better suited then the one who knows the topic best to play the other side.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente 7th Interval
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:46:00 -
[1722]
ok well I think my time is definitely about to expire.
Good bye, good night & good luck
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 -
[1723]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Then why did you ask if you hoped that covered all our concerns?
I want to be constructive, but being dismissed is not constructive. Being given unrealistic examples about $1000 jeans is not constructive.
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Bischopt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 -
[1724]
Edited by: Bischopt on 25/06/2011 01:47:43 lol ccp, really.
I'm not gonna bother reading the whole thread so I'll keep this nice and short to avoid saying the same things everyone else have already said. CCP is giving me no reason to think they're listening or doing anything to please the crowd that's ready to have ccp's head for what it has done so I wont bother being very polite either since I'll most likely be leaving the entire game as a result of CCP's actions.
That devblog didnt answer any questions and was an extremely poor attempt at damage control that just ****ed people off even more. I mean, if you really dont have anything real to say just shut the hell up. The eve community is not stupid enough to be calmed down by your pathetic copy/paste replies that avoid the issues and dodge all the questions. This is not GTA where you can punch people in the face and run around the corner and wait a minute so the police forget about it. Eve community is more like a bunch of elephants, they remember exactly how you f ucked them in the a$$ and they cant wait to fack you back so you'd better come up with something good fast. And you dont need to be a god damn scientist to figure out what that something good is either, just look at the forums and get over your greed.
By the way, I ****ing loved seeing how the player community rallied in major trade hubs to protest today. I love you all long time.
CCP come up with a REAL answer and a REAL solution fast. Not this same old damage control that nobody is buying.
kthx
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Jayde Emeraude
Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 -
[1725]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Posting with my main - this is now a lost cause - listening to EVE Radio with everyone else.
You either fix it or don't - at this point - not sure that you CAN fix it.
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Ospie
The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 -
[1726]
Edited by: Ospie on 25/06/2011 01:49:11 No. This blog will simply not do. The player base needs to hear CCP promise not to do MT that will affect gameplay, although we feel a CCP promise is something open to re-evaluation now anyway it would still be the best option.
The prices are still damnright insulting, no I will not pay for any of those. I do not pay for absurd clothing in real life, I think the most expensive items are my dress shoes & suits and they most certainly do not come anywhere near $1000. I'm not poor, I'm not the most well off person in the world, but I'm certainly in the upper-middle bracket.
If CCP is going to leave us over the weekend with that response I think you'll have trouble keeping this game going unless you plan on taking a 180 within the next week.
Oh yes, I DID unsub my accounts yesterday and they WILL stay unsubbed unless you pull that 180 we need you to. I ****ing love this game but it seems CCP does not care.
Finally I love Incarna (NEX aside), however I do not think this was the smoothest patch to go out, it was certainly the patch that you listened to the players the least though.
I DO want Eve to continue to exist and I DO want CCP to succeed however not as this money grabbing hog, but as the old CCP was before it became so out of touch.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:48:00 -
[1727]
People are making so much noise about this, so ccp is doing something cool :)
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Jojo Jackson
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:48:00 -
[1728]
Sorry but this block fails hard.
1) Noone with a bit of brain would ever buy a real Jeans for 1000Ç except Peris Hilton. 2) Comparing a real world item which has a REAL USE with a fence digital item WITHOUT ANY USE is plain stupid! 3) What the hell are you thinking? Atm people can see just their own avatar. WHY should somebody ever want this item for THAT PRICE??
Zulu should be fired just for this compare.
On top of this we allready pay 15Ç/month to use your product.
It's nothing but a bad attamp of a bad ripoff!
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Draqula
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:49:00 -
[1729]
Guys, please don't shoot the messenger for disicions that Zulu could have no control over.
I work for a very large company (50,000+) and I understand how this kind of stuff can happen. Zulu might just be the poor fellow that drew the straw to try to calm the rage.
On the other hand, I do feel that it quite neglectful to not answer the 10million isk question.
Also, CQ is kicking my machine in the nuts. Please address seperate video settings for CQ if possible.
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Valor D'eglise
Gallente Red Cross Of Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:49:00 -
[1730]
Didn't go through the threadnaught, which is basically impossible at this moment which is a shame because CCP will never read for exactly this reason. However, I wanted to state my discontent with the last Devblog. I kind of facepalmed. It's sad.
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Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:49:00 -
[1731]
This, or some official reply to the current 'rage' (i.e. concerns), needs to be on the front page. You may have noticed that part of the rage comes from a lack of a clear response. ---------------------------------------------
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:51:00 -
[1732]
CCP Zulu lies to his CSMs, ****es on his player community and stirs up a bigger ****storm than the one he's been complaining about.
Subscriptions cancelled. Enjoy your Starwars Galaxies meltdown (EVE style). CQ = BS |
Caiyuga Onishi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:52:00 -
[1733]
Subscription cancelled.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:52:00 -
[1734]
I have an idea for a shirt you could sell for Aurum..
it says on the front:
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
is a douchebag.
on the back it has a picture of a giant douche. I am certain it will be a best seller.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:53:00 -
[1735]
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Bootleg Greg
Minmatar Death on Sight
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:53:00 -
[1736]
Just an update, 62 pages of complaints, 1 response from CCP Zulu going on about how we shouldn't get off topic.
puppy fort out
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Aria Carna
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:54:00 -
[1737]
Edited by: Aria Carna on 25/06/2011 01:56:09 I'm usually calm and optimistic but after this devblog I'm starting to worry about EVE future. CCP, tell us is this really your intent? Do you plan to ruin a good game with MT for functional items? Yes or no, please. I honestly don't want to cancel my subscription, but if this happens you'll leave me no choice.
By the way, anybody knows other good sandbox game?
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:55:00 -
[1738]
The Butterfly Effect
please read my post if you are one of those people with a complaint outside of the non vanity issue.
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Baihuigau
Gallente Skull Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:55:00 -
[1739]
Originally by: Draqula Guys, please don't shoot the messenger for disicions that Zulu could have no control over.
I work for a very large company (50,000+) and I understand how this kind of stuff can happen. Zulu might just be the poor fellow that drew the straw to try to calm the rage.
On the other hand, I do feel that it quite neglectful to not answer the 10million isk question.
Also, CQ is kicking my machine in the nuts. Please address seperate video settings for CQ if possible.
Its not eve that its the smugness at the answer that he gave, a essential we ccp are right you the customer are wrong, were keeping mt in and either you quit or you eat it up, it was a essentially a big fu were doing what we want and ignoring you the customer.
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Serenalen
Caldari Children of Noah
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:55:00 -
[1740]
Tried to distill the problem:
"EVE is real" refers to consequences. MT for non-vanity items not made by players means EVE is not 'real.' ...which means EVE is not unique, or special.
@EveOnline Thanks for official response. @CCP_Manifest <3 @CCP_Fallout <3 @CCP_Zulu The Fearless response makes sense. Screw your $1,000 jeans.
To repeat, yet again: "Are you moving beyond _vanity_ AUR items?"
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Horatio Baleine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:56:00 -
[1741]
I can't even begin to describe how unsatisfactory that response was, especially considering how long it took. You basically just said get over it. There were a lot of subs riding on that answer. You just lost mine
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Dave Hourai
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:57:00 -
[1742]
Originally by: Bootleg Greg Just an update, 62 pages of complaints, 1 response from CCP Zulu going on about how we shouldn't get off topic.
puppy fort out
Hey Greg o/ No Virtue, No Vice. No Beginning, No End. |
Caiyuga Onishi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:57:00 -
[1743]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:58:00 -
[1744]
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:59:00 -
[1745]
Originally by: Horatio Baleine I can't even begin to describe how unsatisfactory that response was, especially considering how long it took. You basically just said get over it. There were a lot of subs riding on that answer. You just lost mine
Mine too.
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:59:00 -
[1746]
Originally by: Draqula Guys, please don't shoot the messenger for disicions that Zulu could have no control over.
I work for a very large company (50,000+) and I understand how this kind of stuff can happen. Zulu might just be the poor fellow that drew the straw to try to calm the rage.
To quote Arnar Hrafn Gylfason's (CCP Zulu) LinkedIn page he has "Responsibility for the development and operation of EVE Online, a single shard MMORPG with over 330,000 subscribers."
He's not the messenger. He's the arbiter of the message. CQ = BS |
AshRagnorok
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:59:00 -
[1747]
Dear Fellow players,
please send your isk and assets to Ashragnorok before sub expires.
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Ivbeen Cloned
Caldari Formidable Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:59:00 -
[1748]
Edited by: Ivbeen Cloned on 25/06/2011 02:01:16 CCP your blog response was a joke. You answered none of our concerns nor did you address the main issue that we have which was whether or not you will be selling any items that are not "vanity" items in the store, i.e. items that give players an upperhand in the games, ships, ammo, etc.
You comparing the items in the store to that of real life items makes zero sense. In case you haven't noticed this is a game, not real life.
Congrats on currently being the joke of the MMO world, lets hope you can do something to turn this around before it's too late.
P.S. You putting spin on the current issue and trying to direct it back at the customer is doing nothing to help your cause. It makes you look untrustworthy, unintelligent, and foolish to say the least...
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Justin Cody
Caldari T.A.L.O.N. Company
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:59:00 -
[1749]
Originally by: Daelorn Edited by: Daelorn on 24/06/2011 21:13:50 Edited by: Daelorn on 24/06/2011 21:11:12 I have been playing EVE since 2004.
You've guys have had amazing ideas that have made it in game, questionable changes, some pretty big screw ups. But I've loved you all throughout it.
I promised to play through EVE unless you guys majorily ****ed up. I thought the day would never come, but here we are.
We are screaming at you as loud as we can that WE DONT NOT WANT THIS. Yet you do not care.
As of now my subscription is cancelled. You can get it back if you want it, you know what you have no do. But if you continue like this you'll be right down there with Activision.
TL;DR CCPs gone full ******.
Bingo...this 2004 player who came over from the FAIL Cascade that was Earth and Beyond is now watching another fail cascade. and of course before they announced the news I paid up for a year of game time. Good thing I'm not doing that EVER AGAIN.
fix it quick or its by bye to two more accounts jerks. Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
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Marsaac
Minmatar Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:00:00 -
[1750]
If CCP wants to go microtransactions for ships or other items that give you a advantage for having money IRL I feel like the whole point of Eve Online is ruined. The sandbox mode of Eve has always been the thing that has applied to me. If CCP wants to ruin the thing that made Eve great, something that has made Eve great since 2003 when it came out, well, then I feel like I don't want to play this game anymore, if CCP adds MT's that give you an advtange, I don't want to play this game anymore, will be canceling my subscription if this goes through. Too bad to see five years of the greatest gaming experience of my life go to waste.
Da Fonk! |
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Sinker1345
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:00:00 -
[1751]
Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Kalaarac
Le Souffle D'Erevos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:02:00 -
[1752]
Don't you realize tht you are fu****g it all.
. You are unrespectfull to us. . You are unrespectfull to your ppl because i'am sure a 100%, tht many (at least some) of ccp ppl do not appreciate your way to handle the situation. . You are ruining the reputation of the game and your compagny . You should carefully reconsider the situation because util now the only thing you exibit is your lack of empathy, your non-capacity of analysis. . All my mates (old players, new ones) are considering stopping the games. . Have you seen in other mmo things like wht is going on on tq ? . Never forget that angry ppl leaving a game will advertise it is such a way ...
* So you want to play the game like you know wht you re doing, like you handle the situation ?
. You are going straight in the wall... . So think ccp, none of us want to see EvE becoming crap, otherwise we wouldn't say s**t in tht forum.
Just apologize, explain us clearly wht s your plan, use the csm to find solutions for both of us just do your job we are the ones paying don.t forget this. Your dreams should be our dreams, anyway WE pay for it.
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Shimokurasaka
Therapy. The Fourth District
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:02:00 -
[1753]
Someone go to the media...perhaps they will put a banana in ccp's ear for us and get some answers.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:02:00 -
[1754]
Originally by: Draqula Guys, please don't shoot the messenger for disicions that Zulu could have no control over.
Zulu put his name to it so the responsibility for the blog is his.
I certainly would not publish a statement with my name attached if I did not write it.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:02:00 -
[1755]
This is the most catastrophic failure at community reconciliation that I have ever seen in my life.
Dear gods, CCP, what have you done? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Raging George
Caldari Raging Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:02:00 -
[1756]
Originally by: Vim
Originally by: Raging George Just one point, about ****ting on the Dev's who "courageously" took up the pro argument for MT for non-vanity items.
They are not courageous. I've played EVE since December 2006, I've watched CCP Soundwave on EVE TV, and hosting the alliance tournaments for years. I've always thought he was a pretty cool guy who got to go from playing a game he loved to designing a game he loved. And who seemed to be for the player base of EVE and for making EVE more of what it is. The game where hardcore sci-fi gamers can go and do serious business with internet spaceships, and control empires or break them. However all that trust is now gone.
He is either a corporate stooge or part of the group of liars at CCP. There are no other options if he was courageous he would have refused to write that article and suffered any consequences for not going along with the group. He would have been more courageous for doing that when he thought it would be an only internal document not less so.
CCP a lot of smart people work for you. Way more smart people play your game, you built a game where you have to be smart to succeed, don't **** that up.
Hello there. If anyone should write a document taking the pro MT standpoint and discuss it in EvE terms since everyone you work with knows what eve is, easy to relate to. I feel happy they choose one that can truly see what eve is and what it shouldnt be. The thing is that all of what soundwave is saying in there is hideous and so anti eve its caused a major ****storm to brew, fueled by forum warrior alts ofc, not presenting the other side for you either, but covering it in tons of angry posts to occlud reason to be heard. So yeah, soundwave is saying alot of things thats not eve. he knows this, but he is writting it not as Soundwave but as Gordon Gekko for the Gordon Gekko edition.
It is a difference between being told to write **** you dont agree with and put your name on it and coming up with the most hidious arguments and ideas you can think off as part of playing Gordon Gekko for a debatte article intended to cause discussion. Remember school when you had to take a side you didnt agree with and argue for it as exercise? Who better suited then the one who knows the topic best to play the other side.
I concede that I may be nerd-raging a little(a lot), but I will stick to the point that CCP shouldn't even be talking about game affecting MT. So I could settle for a post from CCP Soundwave stating he doesn't believe CCP should have non-vanity (only fluff) MT, and that he only wrote that to show another side of the argument.
I will put up with a lot of crap and stupid in the short term from CCP because in general they keep making this game more fun to play. But the day a non-vanity item hits EVE, I will immediately unsub all my accounts I will Amazon bomb, DUST, WOD and EVE and will pretty much never forgive them.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:03:00 -
[1757]
While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
Well if the shoe fits
WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO "SAY IT AINT SO JOE "
answer the damn question
WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO
answer the damn question
WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO
answer the damn question or we will show you where we are going to stick those vanity boots
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Tyberious Rex
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:04:00 -
[1758]
Originally by: Aria Carna Edited by: Aria Carna on 25/06/2011 01:56:09 I'm usually calm and optimistic but after this devblog I'm starting to worry about EVE future. CCP, tell us is this really your intent? Do you plan to ruin a good game with MT for functional items? Yes or no, please. I honestly don't want to cancel my subscription, but if this happens you'll leave me no choice.
By the way, anybody knows other good sandbox game?
Be afraid. Be very afraid. By ignoring the question, CCP ZULU answered it LOUD AND CLEAR. They intend to to introduce MT for functional items in the NEX shop. He could not say so or everyone in the thread threatening to "wait and see" to unsub when it happens would unsub now.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:05:00 -
[1759]
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Tesla Grass
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:05:00 -
[1760]
CCP, bit dishonest not to have this Devblog as the log in message, or have it on the ISD news. You know that a large majority of players don't read the forums, at least the protests this morning and the local chatter across almost all systems was informing people.
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Justin Cody
Caldari T.A.L.O.N. Company
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:06:00 -
[1761]
Originally by: Enkill Eridos Wow, you all are ******ed or cannot read. The article is from a publication that is used to create a debate from within the company and everything in it is an exaggeration. Once again EVE players fail to understand the response. Maybe they didn't say anything about other than vanity items because maybe they have not made any clear determinations on the subject you bunch of ****ing ****tards.
You are ignorant: They should not even be asking those QUESTIONS. The entire premise is wrong. Its like asking two catholic priests to write a pro and a con for necromancy!
derp Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:07:00 -
[1762]
Originally by: Tyberious Rex
Originally by: Aria Carna Edited by: Aria Carna on 25/06/2011 01:56:09 I'm usually calm and optimistic but after this devblog I'm starting to worry about EVE future. CCP, tell us is this really your intent? Do you plan to ruin a good game with MT for functional items? Yes or no, please. I honestly don't want to cancel my subscription, but if this happens you'll leave me no choice.
By the way, anybody knows other good sandbox game?
Be afraid. Be very afraid. By ignoring the question, CCP ZULU answered it LOUD AND CLEAR. They intend to to introduce MT for functional items in the NEX shop. He could not say so or everyone in the thread threatening to "wait and see" to unsub when it happens would unsub now.
That would be my advice too, if you definetly will leave when MT for functional items hits then you might as well unsub now. In the unlikely event of them doing a 'U' turn you could always resub again.
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noonien shakra
Lar B523610-9
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:08:00 -
[1763]
Originally by: Marsaac if CCP adds MT's that give you an advtange, I don't want to play this game anymore, will be canceling my subscription if this goes through. Too bad to see five years of the greatest gaming experience of my life go to waste.
This, +1 __________________ I knew this would happen ! |
Shimokurasaka
Therapy. The Fourth District
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:10:00 -
[1764]
"Massively has a hard-hitting interview in the works with CCP Zulu on the issue"
Also Kotaku has created an article bashing the creators...oh yes it has begun :)
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AshRagnorok
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:10:00 -
[1765]
That blog = load of ****. power to the players, nuf said.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:11:00 -
[1766]
Originally by: noonien shakra
Originally by: Marsaac if CCP adds MT's that give you an advtange, I don't want to play this game anymore, will be canceling my subscription if this goes through. Too bad to see five years of the greatest gaming experience of my life go to waste.
This, +1
They already are planning it when Dust arrives...
Dust=MT for game changing items Dust will impact Eve's Sov mechanics (per CCP) Dusties will be using items purchased for $$$$$$$$$$$$ to impact Eve......
Links to the qoutes!
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:11:00 -
[1767]
Edited by: DoPlanet on 25/06/2011 02:11:37 For a pathetic devblog entry, so many good comments, for FVCK'S sake... Waiting to see how this plays out, to see if i will continue giving ~100 EUR/month to a company that doesnt deliver even simple answers.
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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:11:00 -
[1768]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:11:00 -
[1769]
EvE radio Quotes
It's like they've become pod pool. Especially this last blog from zulu, it doesn't sound like him at all
I'm very disilussioned lately... the events of the last few days have made it abundantly clear that something is going on, the lack of communication and the deafening silence and lack of clarification doesn't match up ... it's like it's an intentional train wreck... i just don't understand what strategy is driving the decisions
The CSM had specific instructions, this is what will work, this is what isn't going to work
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Si'Andregal Grungolash
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:12:00 -
[1770]
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
CCP You're pathetic! Spineless is a more fitting title. Spin some more.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:13:00 -
[1771]
Originally by: Bloodpetal EvE radio Quotes The CSM had specific instructions, this is what will work, this is what isn't going to work
CSM members have stated that many times. Apparently CCP decided their answer's were correct, even though it really just added fuel to the fire.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:13:00 -
[1772]
Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:14:00 -
[1773]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Forum Alterson
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:14:00 -
[1774]
CCP Zulu
That was the most demeaning dev-blog I've ever read on EVE. You should be ashamed.
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Jules Asner
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:14:00 -
[1775]
CCP YOU ARE MAKING IT WORSE BY NOT ANSWERING OUR CONCERNS. THE LONGER YOU LEAVE THIS TRAIN WRECK THE WORSE IT WILL GET.... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
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AshRagnorok
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:15:00 -
[1776]
CCP: Time to reply with a blog
Dear players,
U MAD?
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:15:00 -
[1777]
Originally by: Tesla Grass CCP, bit dishonest not to have this Devblog as the log in message, or have it on the ISD news. You know that a large majority of players don't read the forums, at least the protests this morning and the local chatter across almost all systems was informing people.
I don't think they really want that blog disseminated widely. It answered no concerns, resolved no issues and managed to insult everyone's intelligence.
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Sloshyblooms
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:15:00 -
[1778]
That devblog just added fuel to the fire. As a company, CCP have their heads so far up their own asses it's astounding. You just really don't get it do you? You didn't address any of the concerns expressed by your customers over the last day or two. Whether it's denial or hubris doesn't matter anymore, CCP has shot themselves in the foot and fixed the problem by amputating the leg.
CCP, you can stop digging your own grave now, the hole is plenty deep already.
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Krelian Lann
Caldari The Zohar Project
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:15:00 -
[1779]
Originally by: AshRagnorok CCP: Time to reply with a blog
Dear players,
U MAD?
Lol, excellent
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:16:00 -
[1780]
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 25/06/2011 02:16:42 QUOTEs from EVE-RADIO
A lot of really good stuff came out of the summit which is going to be over-shadowed by this one major issue
It's like EVE is trying to to convince you they're like Starbucks coffee is special and different than a 99c Mcdonalds Coffee or a Dunkin Donuts Coffee... It's not, it's a game with lots of issues and bugs.
When you buy that watch and you put it on, you own it. With CCP it's not, they own it.
It's ******ed that you have to spend more than a month of game time to put clothes on a single CHARACTER. Are they destructible or not destructible - are they going to come up with stuff that's less expensive but is destructible.
The attempt to brand EVE as a premium game. It's a premium price game for premium content. Premium game? In what way?
They haven't in my view nurtured it to be what it could be. And this is not the path to get us there, in my view
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Drone 16
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:18:00 -
[1781]
Edited by: Drone 16 on 25/06/2011 02:19:37 Parley...wasn't there some heart felt appeal to the player base for a parley?
Didn't a CCP rep. just write a contrite request for us to be calm and stay open-minded?
Oh yeah there was and I did...
Then this Zulu character writes this piece of junk?!?!? Pathetic! Zulu I am sorry but how could you think that this was ever an appropriate response?
You have now taken an issue that was game-related therefore controllable and made YOURSELF THE ISSUE!!!!!
Your blog wasn't a parley it was a shot across the bow!!!!!
P.S> I read all the blogs that come out..I wasn't necessarily passionate one way or another on the MT but your poor attitude has completely turned me off.. Zulu stop posting...forever...get BigDumbObject to do it for you..at least he has a clue!
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Buddy Freep
Bad Company DBD Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:19:00 -
[1782]
No MT
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Zarlis
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:19:00 -
[1783]
Edited by: Zarlis on 25/06/2011 02:20:47 That really is a train wreak of a blog and it's so bad I still can't fathom how anyone at ccp could possibly think it was a good idea.
Originally by: CCP Zulu In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions
lol wut...
Did you really just pat yourself on the back for releasing an overly complicated wardrobe function?? This expansion adds absolutely nothing to the core gameplay of eve and you somehow think you have achieved something
Chlorine, coming to the space pool near you. Get your goggles at the Aurum store. Greed is good.pdf |
Justin Cody
Caldari T.A.L.O.N. Company
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:19:00 -
[1784]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
So... what you are saying is "**** you subscribers!"
What exactly is tricky about saying "Yes we will introduce game play affecting stuff...or no we won't"?
oh because we know what the answer is just by you even entertaining the thought. Yep. Good one. Bye. Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:19:00 -
[1785]
EVE-Radio Quotes
All they have to say is we are not going to mess with the Sandbox, but they haven't.
Now is the time to come out and say it. Today. They still haven't answered that one very important question
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:23:00 -
[1786]
Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE-Radio Quotes
All they have to say is we are not going to mess with the Sandbox, but they haven't.
Now is the time to come out and say it. Today. They still haven't answered that one very important question
This is the question...
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
[02:19:15] GM Horse > By the way, the only people working at CCP right now is me and one other nightshift guy, I suggest you postpone your protest until monday evening or so. :P
tnks Horse,
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:23:00 -
[1787]
Look guys. They all went home.
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Goatse Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:23:00 -
[1788]
CCP Zulu, I'm going to print out your devblog on good, quality paper, and wipe my ass with it.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:24:00 -
[1789]
Originally by: Bootleg Greg Just an update, 62 pages of complaints, 1 response from CCP Zulu going on about how we shouldn't get off topic.
puppy fort out
including just 1 other complaint thread we are up to 283 pages
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:24:00 -
[1790]
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
[02:19:15] GM Horse > By the way, the only people working at CCP right now is me and one other nightshift guy, I suggest you postpone your protest until monday evening or so. :P
tnks Horse,
we've all done 3AM CTAs .... time for the C C P Alliance to have their 3AM CTA... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 ...and greed, so destructive.
Your CHOICE can make a difference CCP |
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:25:00 -
[1791]
Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger Look guys. They all went home.
trollolol
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Natalie Cerulean
Caldari Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:25:00 -
[1792]
Just as an fyi this was posted in Jita:
GM Horse > By the way, the only people working at CCP right now is me and one other nightshift guy, I suggest you postpone your protest until monday evening or so. :P
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Seamus Odoone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:26:00 -
[1793]
umm I don't think wwe should be flaming CCP Zulu anymore. As this has surfaced. Answers on this please.
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
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Isaac ValMazmar
Caldari Numquam non Paratus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:26:00 -
[1794]
Edited by: Isaac ValMazmar on 25/06/2011 02:26:45 http://bit.ly/lkwr7m
PC Gamer is paying attention.
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GX307
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:26:00 -
[1795]
Originally by: Bloodpetal EVE-Radio Quotes
All they have to say is we are not going to mess with the Sandbox, but they haven't.
Now is the time to come out and say it. Today. They still haven't answered that one very important question
This silence is speaking volumes.
Its only 1 syllable Yes or No, takes about 1 second to type maybe a few more seconds to post it up somewhere where people can see it. The lack of communication speaks to a probability that they don't want to say yes till they can find a way to put lipstick on that pig.
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Luke S
Zeta Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:27:00 -
[1796]
CCP, I think you failed to see the concept of micro in micro-transactions. The reason farmvill or second life Works, is because ITS CHEAP! and there is a lot of people buying the stuff. No matter what you say or do to the current price goods, people will always say "you are being greedy."
I am a fan, but I know when to stop and I'm stopping at your subscription. I won't be buying your virtual goods until I see them drop like a rock. ---
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Tyberious Rex
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:29:00 -
[1797]
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
READ THIS!
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Hamm Bergur
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:29:00 -
[1798]
Quote: not to mention absolutely gorgeous
If you mean "Broke and handicapped hardware that ran fine the day before, and drove most customers into disabling all the shiny new features we made anyway" then yeah.
Pic of what that gorgeous Incarna looks like:
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Alley Specter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:29:00 -
[1799]
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
All I have to say is
GG CCP, GG
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Sol Ripper
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:30:00 -
[1800]
Really trying hard to find congruity in these statements:
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
with
Quote: Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only
So, basically, you thought you could placate/divert/bully the angry mob with the first blog. Then, seeing when it was unsuccessful, backpedal and condescendingly state, in essence, "You idiots didn't get it, the first time, I was only talking about these two things. You guys just don't get it."
Placate by reminding us how awesome you are for giving us the greatness that is Incarna. Divert, by justifying pricing. Bully, by chastising your customers for not understanding the use of in-house newsletters and for having the gall to speak poorly of your co-workers.
So, being the "Fearless" people you are, please try thinking outside of your current paradigm, which seems to view your player base as imbeciles that have no concept of what they want, should thankfully lap up what ever you are deigning to spew and pour greater amounts of their money into a game that may or may not be improved by their continued financial support.
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Killitt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:30:00 -
[1801]
This Dev Blog is one GIANT , steamy, hot piece of trash isn't it folks.
Pro Tip.... quit trying to act like your feelings are hurt. They aren't...and you look like massive douches when you try to play the feeling's card. |
Arrenslew
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:31:00 -
[1802]
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
Ban me now *****es. It's out in the open now. I'm unsubbed already anyways, wasn't even gonna come back here.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:32:00 -
[1803]
Originally by: Alley Specter sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
All I have to say is
GG CCP, GG
This CANNOT be real...it beggars belief ---------------
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Baillif
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:32:00 -
[1804]
Sooo CCP...
How's this for calling you out on your bull**** ?
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Indy Rider
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:34:00 -
[1805]
Honestly, I'm just stumped.
Good bye eve.
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:34:00 -
[1806]
YAY!!!
Less lag when people quit
hahaha
resubbed my 2 other alts
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HoboWithAShip
They That Are
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:34:00 -
[1807]
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DavidJayder
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:35:00 -
[1808]
Wow. If that email is real i'm done.
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Nin Kimrov
Minmatar Kenzi Arms and Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:36:00 -
[1809]
Sorry, but nothing can save EvE online now.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:37:00 -
[1810]
The voice of 52 people who bought monocles is more valuable then thousands of other players
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:39:00 -
[1811]
Originally by: HoboWithAShip
i get a 504 Gateway Time-out error.
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Ivbeen Cloned
Caldari Formidable Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:39:00 -
[1812]
Originally by: Bloodpetal The voice of 52 people who bought monocles is more valuable then thousands of other players
Yeah, that part doesn't quite make sense to me. If the email is real, which it seems to be, I think I'll be done with eve and cancel my accounts. I'll wait to see how this plays out over the next few days.
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Indy Rider
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:39:00 -
[1813]
http://bit.ly/jzWSV2
Mirror.
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HoboWithAShip
They That Are
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:39:00 -
[1814]
Originally by: DoPlanet
Originally by: HoboWithAShip
i get a 504 Gateway Time-out error.
Yeah, the evenews24 sever is overloaded.
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Natalie Cerulean
Caldari Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:40:00 -
[1815]
Keep trying, they are under heavy load you'll get it eventually.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:40:00 -
[1816]
That e-mail is about staying the course with vanity pricing. Period.
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Winning Side
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:40:00 -
[1817]
Edited by: Winning Side on 25/06/2011 02:41:06 http://www.machine9.net/blog/?p=615 Mirror
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Baihuigau
Gallente Skull Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:41:00 -
[1818]
Eve24 buckled under the traffic by the way.
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Bob Machugina
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:41:00 -
[1819]
52 people have more money then sense.
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Arrenslew
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:41:00 -
[1820]
Here's the whole article copied
After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in **********.com foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.
After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this ôleaked emailö, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.
The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the ôHilmarö writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as æfearlessÆ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.
We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.
ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:42:00 -
[1821]
Originally by: Nin Kimrov Sorry, but nothing can save EvE online now.
this, unfortunately =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 ...and greed, so destructive.
Your CHOICE made a difference CCP |
Trader Hansen
Failure Assured
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:42:00 -
[1822]
So, CCP is actually defending their pricing on vanity items? And with a ****ty, flawed anology to real life prices on clothing? W... T... F...?
I, for one, don't give a damn about these vanity items. But even I can't ignore the sheer absurdity of their pricing. Look at any other MMO that has microtransactions and you'll usually find that prices are reasonable.
This is not.
I hate to sound like every other the-end-is-nigh doomsayers on here, and I've certainly done my fair share of *****ing and moaning about CCP over my 6 odd years of playing EVE. But ****-damn. This is definitely the first of what will be many death wails, and CCP isn't even apologetic about it.
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Zephy Russ
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:44:00 -
[1823]
Quote: We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Be careful. This sums it up pretty well.
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Arrenslew
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:44:00 -
[1824]
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
R
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:44:00 -
[1825]
Edited by: Chrysanthemum Korik on 25/06/2011 02:45:54
Originally by: HoboWithAShip
If true he's essentially saying if they don't quit we can do whatever we want to them. "we look at what our players do and less of what they say."
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:45:00 -
[1826]
microtransaction
English
Etymology
micro- + transaction Noun
microtransaction (plural microtransactions)
(economics) A transaction for a very small amount of money (a micropayment).
I have 4 account.
NONE of them will be buying your aurum(WTH it's called, Gold) to convert to virtual clothing. Why? It has no purpose. NONE. Vanity. Won't make my ship go faster.
If you want to see WHY so many folks are ****ed off, go play City of Hero's.
THAT's how player clothing is done.
A few dollars a weapon? One thing. For clothing? Something that should be FREE and available to all! Fine. But 70-80$ for ANYTHING in game is nuts.
I'm just shaking my head. All the man hours, money, art resources you guys are spending on your "microtransactions"(Which arn't) that will only be used by a few dozen of the richest people in game? You could have spent those resources on stuff EVERY player in game will enjoy.
Thanks for taking the money we pay for our subs and using it to the best effect.. bravo. --- microtransaction English Etymology micro- + transaction Noun microtransaction (plural microtransactions) (economics) A transaction for a very small amount of money (a micropay |
Gwen'efer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:45:00 -
[1827]
i happen to live in one of the richest countries on this planet and i don't know anyone who wears 1000$ pants. sounds more like you guys wanna wear those pants and want us to pay for them... ba-bling ba-bling.
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Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:45:00 -
[1828]
Listening to EVE-radio and having read the mail;
Zulu nor Soundwave are to blame or should be "attacked" over what they've been stating lately. They simply have to talk the corporate talk, nothing more. It's truly disheartening and depressing and I do apologise to both of them for my words aimed at them, even though they were "mild". ________
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Tbone
Caldari Dashavatara
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:46:00 -
[1829]
Wow, I feel like after 8 years of eve i just got flipped the bird by CCP.
I really can not believe you think that low of the community that has kept this game going for 8+ years. -----------------------------------------------
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:47:00 -
[1830]
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf That e-mail is about staying the course with vanity pricing. Period.
This email is about CCP stating in very clear terms to the player community:
**** you all.
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:48:00 -
[1831]
Breaking News
EA Games has purchased CCP Games and has merged it with Mythic Entertainment & Bioware
lulz
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Gelbin Mekkatorque
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:48:00 -
[1832]
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf That e-mail is about staying the course with vanity pricing. Period.
This. I didn't see anything about non-vanity items. CCP can charge whatever they want for vanity stuff as far as I'm concerned. It won't affect me.
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Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:49:00 -
[1833]
I'm sort of a non-reactionary person. But after reading that email, which I do not doubt is real, I have nuked my second account. This one will stick around for a CCP response. If it is similar, I will nuke this account. And maybe get a ****ing job or something.
I have never ever played any other MMO. I used to make fun of people playing eve. Talking about mining and pirates and ****. I was like look at these ****ing nerds. Pitiful.
My wife decided she wanted me to stay home with the kid, and went back to work and I got obscenely bored. I said **** it. Lets see what these people were talking about. I have been a loyal customer since 2004 as a result.
I flew from Seattle to Norway, took fast boats to the ****ing backwoods on the Sognefjord, and my wife and I stayed a week at the home of a guy that has been flying with me for years, all because of this game.
To me, a non-gamer, it is ****ing astounding that this could happen, and I am honestly sad that it is going in the ****ter. Literally a shock.
HTFU CCP. Don't be THAT company.
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Drone 16
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:49:00 -
[1834]
No, you didn't....I guess you did..sigh...
I say this with much regret...goodbye.
I didn't think there was ever a thing that could make me leave this game been playing since 2006. Its not MT, people want to spend big bucks for stuff be my guest, I was all for CCP making as much revenue as they could.
That e-mail changed everything
This smug attitude though...I wouldn't take that from anyone..especially someone I am paying. You expect us to pay for the priviledge of your comtempt?!?!? I am actually getting madder by the minute...
In fact, go ****yourselves
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:49:00 -
[1835]
Originally by: Gelbin Mekkatorque
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf That e-mail is about staying the course with vanity pricing. Period.
This. I didn't see anything about non-vanity items. CCP can charge whatever they want for vanity stuff as far as I'm concerned. It won't affect me.
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Parleion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:49:00 -
[1836]
Originally by: Gelbin Mekkatorque
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf That e-mail is about staying the course with vanity pricing. Period.
This. I didn't see anything about non-vanity items. CCP can charge whatever they want for vanity stuff as far as I'm concerned. It won't affect me.
It's not the vanity pricing that's bad about that e-mail. It's the saying they don't care what their player's say.
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crimson moon81
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:51:00 -
[1837]
Unsubed...
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Axedark
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:52:00 -
[1838]
Its bad its really bad but on the other hand i understand if CCP wants to do this, i mean there is alot of people making alot of RL money by selling ingame items and isk. CCP just want in on the action..... so thanks all of you that been using these type of services you made CCP wanting your RL money, and now the rest of us will suffer
blah
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Ryn Lee
Caldari Infinite Horizons
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:52:00 -
[1839]
I just got sucked into EVE personally... so I don't know a lot about the game. I did buy the game back in 2009 mind you.
So, because I don't know a lot about the game or CPP as a whole I can only really make a statement on one thing...
The moment you start trying to compare a VIRTUAL clothing item to real life products of any value is the moment you should be checking yourself into the crazy house.
I was seriously laughing after reading what was said about the clothing item price points... I was hoping it was a joke.
YOU CANNOT COMPARE VIRTUAL GOODS TO THAT OF REAL LIFE PRODUCTS.
Would I buy a decent shirt in the real world for 20 dollars? Sure, why? Because it would last me a long time and be with me always.
Will I buy a virtual shirt in a game mostly based around spaceships for 20 dollars? Hell no. Why? Because it's VIRTUAL. It's not worth my hard earned money at that price point. Not to mention if I get podded I lose that 20 dollars outright.
Honestly I am disgusted by the prices... I'm not a cheap person, I would gladly spend a PLEX on virtual clothing items IF
#1 I could get an entire outfit head-to-toe for the cost of one PLEX purchase
#2 Those virtual goods were from that point on in my list of clothing options so that any character I make on that account or if I get podded they are usable.
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Make all items of clothing the same price then allow us to pick and choose a clothing piece for every part of our avatar for the cost of ONE PLEX
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This has me worried about the future. I'm putting a lot of effort into trying to get a decent corporation off the ground consisting of a lot of newer pilots... what happens if CPP decided to add items into the Aurum store that affected the way corporation runs?
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Throatslitter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:53:00 -
[1840]
CCP, seriously? You gotta know by now that your subscriber base will take a massive hit if you go ahead with the ships for $$$.
Cancelled 5 accounts
Got a few weeks left, I will wait and see what happens before I resub.
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:53:00 -
[1841]
Originally by: crimson moon81 Unsubed...
Unsubed +4
"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say"
:silence: http://www.facebook.com/pages/We-boycott-CCP-to-save-EVE-Online/212244615484102?sk=wall
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:53:00 -
[1842]
don't forget to give us back station spinning.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:54:00 -
[1843]
How many people do we normally have logged in on a Friday? Sunday is usually the best measure anyway. Pretty sure a good portion of the 'not logged in' are probably alts. Of all the people posting in this thread, I'm certain that a few are alts. Of the massive number of posts, (over 6400), in that other thread, I'm fairly certain many are alts, but quite a few are also people posting responses to other posters.
Wow.. it's like spending days sitting in a seedy bar, watching Jerry Springer stories come alive in front of you.
Honestly haven't read barely anything, and I feel sorry for the Dev's in a way, actually having to put effort into reading some of this. I couldn't be bothered, as the first 9 pages of that other one ****ed me off when I did decide to read it. Just a bunch of bunk. Repetitive, droll, irritating trash-talk.
Grow up people. You aren't the center of the universe, and your over-inflated sense of self importance is so pompous and wind-baggy it isn't worth reading what you have to say. For some of you that actually got it right: Good on you, you have some sense.
For the rest of you: Learn how to discuss things, and quit making over-arching selfish demands. I honestly don't think one of you puppies has stepped out of their house in a decade and taken the time to learn how the world works. You demonstrate such obtuse ignorance, I can't even believe you work for a living, or even pay your own bills.
Bunch of pre-pubescent kids, and in the case where that's actually true, I'm sorry, you at least have the excuse to be ignorant. The rest don't.
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Gelbin Mekkatorque
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:54:00 -
[1844]
Originally by: Parleion
Originally by: Gelbin Mekkatorque
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf That e-mail is about staying the course with vanity pricing. Period.
This. I didn't see anything about non-vanity items. CCP can charge whatever they want for vanity stuff as far as I'm concerned. It won't affect me.
It's not the vanity pricing that's bad about that e-mail. It's the saying they don't care what their player's say.
Two things: Nobody is forcing anyone to buy these things, and It won't affect gameplay.
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Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:54:00 -
[1845]
Ships for cash will cut out group Mining ops , missions, I vote No !
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:55:00 -
[1846]
Originally by: Ris Dnalor don't forget to give us back station spinning.
I think taking away station spinning was a way for CCP to force players into their avatars and into the RMT mindset. Pod pilots don't need clothes if they stay in their pods.
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joren1993
Minmatar Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:57:00 -
[1847]
CCP,
Y U BE SO GHEY?
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Doom Sentinel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:00:00 -
[1848]
Completely shafted us, as expected.
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:01:00 -
[1849]
Originally by: Mars Theran How many people do we normally have logged in on a Friday? Sunday is usually the best measure anyway. Pretty sure a good portion of the 'not logged in' are probably alts. Of all the people posting in this thread, I'm certain that a few are alts. Of the massive number of posts, (over 6400), in that other thread, I'm fairly certain many are alts, but quite a few are also people posting responses to other posters.
Wow.. it's like spending days sitting in a seedy bar, watching Jerry Springer stories come alive in front of you.
Honestly haven't read barely anything, and I feel sorry for the Dev's in a way, actually having to put effort into reading some of this. I couldn't be bothered, as the first 9 pages of that other one ****ed me off when I did decide to read it. Just a bunch of bunk. Repetitive, droll, irritating trash-talk.
Grow up people. You aren't the center of the universe, and your over-inflated sense of self importance is so pompous and wind-baggy it isn't worth reading what you have to say. For some of you that actually got it right: Good on you, you have some sense.
For the rest of you: Learn how to discuss things, and quit making over-arching selfish demands. I honestly don't think one of you puppies has stepped out of their house in a decade and taken the time to learn how the world works. You demonstrate such obtuse ignorance, I can't even believe you work for a living, or even pay your own bills.
Bunch of pre-pubescent kids, and in the case where that's actually true, I'm sorry, you at least have the excuse to be ignorant. The rest don't.
That would be a perfect post directed to CCP. Especially the "Learn how to discuss things" part.
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Contessa Colbert
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:01:00 -
[1850]
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: Alley Specter sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
All I have to say is
GG CCP, GG
This CANNOT be real...it beggars belief
52 Monacles, out of a bragged 340,000 subs. /golfclap.
He's right though, let them watch what we do. Cancel your subs, explain to your friends why, invite them to do the same. Don't get yourself into any trouble doing anything illegal, be Fearless and walk away.
PS: I've seen CEO bs before but this is Steve Ballmer level weaponsgrade ignorance.
PPS: Bluesnews.com (who was around about a decade before CCP) is also covering this fiasco. Was that predictable too? Being the laughing stock of the gaming industry and software industry in general?
Do not confuse kindness, for weakness. |
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Aptiva Rin
Caldari Guerillas Of The Underground
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:02:00 -
[1851]
What I wanna say will get me banned. What I think will get me arrested.
CCP has major communication issues and I believe them to all be internally. IF that is a real email from Hilmar then CCP is done for. All our money and time is wasted for nothing. This is beyond words and actions and to be honest I'm seriously contemplating leaving EVE. As a new player, this is by far the biggest FKU move I've ever seen from ANY game company. CCP used to listen to the players and they would implement their ideas if possible.
The balance has shifted away from the players and this is a programmed response from us the community. HOWEVER, as a lower income player(IRL) I cannot afford one cent to pay for these NeX items. I can barely afford to pay for one account (although I pay for the 2nd with PLEX).
In my opinion, this is a last ditch effort on CCPs effort to avoid a bankruptcy. Their money is all spent (probably on hookers and blow) and they can no longer sustain the servers and site and they know it but they have lost the transparency they used to have. If I was in the position of an investor, I would withdraw IMMEDIATELY. I'm no one special, but at the same time, I have some fkn common sense. These are broken promises and when the ENTIRE community save for a few fanboys is in a rage fit over this, there should be some action. Unfortunately for us, there will be none.
(Here's a better analogy than the $1000 jeans so take note Zulu). Once a dog tastes blood, they want more. This is what CCP is doing. As with all major game developers, they caught the scent of money and they liked it. The way it's being handled is completely unacceptable on both CCP's end and on our end. We're out locking systems, raping monuments, rage quitting, and causing general chaos. CCP let me point out a better way for you....
Take note of Funcom's 10 year old classic MMO set 20000 years into the future, Anarchy Online. This game hasn't had a graphics engine update since the game was launched in 2001 yet their fanbase is 20x yours. They have a free to play version as well as the paid version. You have approx 360k paid accounts. You have lost 10k players in like 6 hours over Zulu's post and CCP's new 180 degree direction. Funcom however knows how to tell their fans FU but make it worth their while. You guys however have zero tact when it comes to this.
In short let me just say this:
You think your money troubles are big now? Wait till your ENTIRE fanbase leaves you and goes to play STO (for the short months it will be up) until the next spaceship MMO comes out which is superior to EVE in every way including their people skills.
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Axedark
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:02:00 -
[1852]
so CCP how soon will i be able to buy a nyx and how much arums will it be
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Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:03:00 -
[1853]
Paying real money for ships , skills or similar will be the end of groups ops Mining ops , and group missions , I vote No !
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Jayde Emeraude
Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:06:00 -
[1854]
yeah, listened to it all - heard it read it all.
broke my heart - 3 years down in flames
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shilpi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:06:00 -
[1855]
This Blog was complete and utter waste of time. The real questions were not answered and CCP only trying to **** paste us all over. If you took one day and came with this crap god help you. Let us know if you need any help?
Now the real questions, actually it's only one question.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
You have to answer this question, we are not asking you to stop doing what you want, hell if someone throws their foot at axe, what should I care for? But we deserve the right to know answer for this question, as sticking with Eve-Online or Greed-Offline will depend on it.
Once again i will rephrase the question,in case you are too busy milking the cash cows/golden goose and skipped it.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
And don't even think you can skip answer to this and this will come to and end, it WILL NOT!!!!
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Jarin Arenos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:06:00 -
[1856]
52 monocles sold. How many accounts canceled? One more here; my alt account is going away now. I'll hang onto my main for a bit longer, but this does not look hopeful.
Vote with your wallet.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:07:00 -
[1857]
TO CCP EMPLOYEES:
Maybe an intervention?
If you all confront Hilmar in his office and scream at him that it's your jobs and he's wrong until he cries.
At least you'll get a little satisfaction.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:07:00 -
[1858]
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 25/06/2011 03:08:53 Edited by: Bloodpetal on 25/06/2011 03:08:02
PC-Gamer has got this article up.
Quote: The Incarna update for Eve-Online is not going especially well for the gameÆs developers, CCP. First, thereÆs the $60+ monocle that players can buy and equip to their new avatars. Then thereÆs the threat of pay-to-win items entering the game system via microtransactions.
Seems like they have a different definition about smooth and successful there.
Seems like they're also laughing at you CCP.
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Wordle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:07:00 -
[1859]
WHAT IS THE POINT OF PLAYING THE GAME WHEN YOU CAN JUST BUY ANYTHING YOU WANT WITH REAL MONEY?
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Teebee
XERCORE Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:09:00 -
[1860]
1) The prices are too high it feels unfair. Zulu said there will be other products that will be lower in price why? only because the first items had to be so high for you to make more money ? was it a test? those first items are pretty ugly especially that military dress shirt that isn't even tucked in or I would have bought it I'm thinking with the Aurum shop being so sucky at first why would anything being made after this be lower in price ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? do you get my point ?
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:10:00 -
[1861]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:11:00 -
[1862]
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html 110% this ^^
It collects all very clean and in a friendly tone that I would have to say to CCP at this very point.
Especially this:
Originally by: from the link above Feedback àand once again, the matter of communication and feedback rears its head. All of these problems were known before the patch. The issue was raised in numerous threads in the test feedback forums. And as always, nothing came of these careful and deliberate attempts at communication. The issue is perhaps the most obvious in the appalling state of the OSX patch, which was plagued by a number of game-breaking bugs, all of which had been reported during the weeks and months before release, but which had been left untouched. It would be far less uncharitable or conspiratorial than one should hope to say that the patch was deliberately released in a broken state. And calling it broken is not uncharitable either: applying the patch broke the client to the point where a complete reinstall was required. So once again, and this time tied to the question of performance of the client, it comes down to a sharp disconnect between the level of feedback and the perceived response to that feedback (or, more accurately, the perceived completely lack thereof). People can accept that a completely new addition to the game might have some growing pains and will accept the answer that these issues will be addressed. They have much less tolerance for issues that arise from what appears to be a blatant disregard to their feedback. It has been said many, many (many) times new, but it apparently needs to be repeated: communicate more, and you will have far less irate customers, even if the actual number of issues is not reduced.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:12:00 -
[1863]
Edited by: Myra2007 on 25/06/2011 03:17:04
-- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st |
Tyme Xandr
Gallente DarkSide Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:12:00 -
[1864]
To all the people saying they are canceling their accounts and/or biomassing I lol. You guys aren't biomassing ****.
Ill see all of you on in 1 month from now, 2 months from now 10 months from now ... I guarantee it.
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Jayde Emeraude
Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:15:00 -
[1865]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
TO CCP EMPLOYEES:
Maybe an intervention?
If you all confront Hilmar in his office and scream at him that it's your jobs and he's wrong until he cries.
At least you'll get a little satisfaction.
^^ this
It was just made public - yes we're flaming, but the bigger issue is he's decided already.
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:15:00 -
[1866]
Originally by: shilpi This Blog was complete and utter waste of time. The real questions were not answered and CCP only trying to **** paste us all over. If you took one day and came with this crap god help you. Let us know if you need any help?
Now the real questions, actually it's only one question.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
You have to answer this question, we are not asking you to stop doing what you want, hell if someone throws their foot at axe, what should I care for? But we deserve the right to know answer for this question, as sticking with Eve-Online or Greed-Offline will depend on it.
Once again i will rephrase the question,in case you are too busy milking the cash cows/golden goose and skipped it.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
And don't even think you can skip answer to this and this will come to and end, it WILL NOT!!!!
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Tarinara
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:15:00 -
[1867]
Originally by: Chrysanthemum Korik I think taking away station spinning was a way for CCP to force players into their avatars and into the RMT mindset. Pod pilots don't need clothes if they stay in their pods.
Ahhh ... but think 'ships for real money'. Now what?
Originally by: Mars Theran Of the massive number of posts, (over 6400), in that other thread, I'm fairly certain many are alts, but quite a few are also people posting responses to other posters.</snip>
Yes ... I am an Alt and there for any opinion expressed doesn't count towards real Eve matters, any presumed outrage to being lied to ( RMT for game changing items ) or a gaming company CEOs' attitude of contempt towards it's paying customers. ... You should probably move along now...
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SolusLunes
Caldari The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:17:00 -
[1868]
Originally by: Hilmar ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
Words? Will you give us any words on these words? Or hell, god forbid, ACTION? (lol no)
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Arimathea Anthalas
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:17:00 -
[1869]
I read the dev blog and laughed. The fact that "these people were doing their job" and that you find that job defensible, and then go on to defend the insanity of your existing microtransaction model, just proves how out of touch you are. I don't hold it against the developers, I hold it against management, since you guys are arbitrating what your developers are working on. I am sure the developers are doing a fine job working on exactly the wrong things (with some exceptions, detailed below).
You knew the community had wide disapproval of microtransactions to begin with, but then you decide to really splash the pot by pricing these items so stupidly high that your only defense is insanity. You then go on to suggest that "oh we'll have other cheaper items". Guess what guys, this game isn't about how much more money you can make... i'm already paying you $180 a month not to mention the cost of GTCs just to allow me to be competitive in your broken economy with limited time. It's about how well you serve your customers. And time and time again you disappoint with such a myopic, backwards viewpoint in nearly everything you do. And then this newsletter. How quaint.
Your ONLY saving grace is what Soundwave, Greyscale, Tallest, and other team BFF members are doing with "fixing the little things" and your careful (but still weird, since so few developers really play in 0.0) 0.0 rework. Your smartest, best option right now is to reprice everything in the store down to meaningful levels ($1/$2 -- *this* is a microtransaction) and turn the entire company around to repairing the brokenness you have introduced with CQ by permitting players to choose the "old way" of doing things since none of us want to wait another 12 months for you to come out with fixes that should take you two weeks. Then put all your development effort and resources into "little things" fixes until the players are happy.
Your missteps with CSM both in terms of the democracy of the body and the back-and-forth mishandling of it are just a scratch on the surface compared to this.
Think about how many wasted hours you guys have put into something with so little active value to the players of this game. Guys, nobody gives a **** about walking in stations any more. It was a cool idea years ago, you should have executed on it back then, now it's just dumb, a waste of video cards, a barrier to entry. Quit trying to be something you're not. This is Internet spaceships and giant fleet fights and "uh there's a huge gatecamp here" and Evil Thug screaming "GET EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ON THULSA DOOM NOW". I could care less about my sexy avatar and my the texture of my table.
Until then my accounts and thousands in GTC revenue over the course of a year will go to some other game that used to give me the feel CCP did - that I was a customer of a game developer that seemed to be on the path to continuously improving the things that I really enjoyed about a game I spent hours of my life playing.
Senior Producer. What a joke. DUST. What a joke. Incarna. What a joke. Stay classy, CCP.
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Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire Massive Dynamic Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:17:00 -
[1870]
Wow..first players are stupid enough to get moved into the "mob mentality" second they don't know about word usage or reading fine print. Like lemmings you all are going to jump off a cliff because a few people have based their information because of a game development tool? All the newsletter was, was ccp talking about the options they had. A lot of the words used in that newsletter (yes I know they included big scary words.) was just a whole lot of we could do this, this and this. The newsletter had no other purpose but to open a debate within the company. Nothing is concrete. As for the cash shop for non-vanity items. None of you have actually proven that it is a concrete plan. Untill CCP comes out and says we are going to have non vanity items I will keep an open mind. And if they have non-vanity items? I will wait and see what they implement. Just like when the insurance change happened you all are overreacting based on rumor. For those *****ing about the high cost of these items..well blame your fellow players not ccp. For those complaining about pay2win, they don't need a cash shop for that. Because we can buy plex we already pay2win. Station Spinning? It's in the past and good riddance! Walking around in the station is so much better. Plus I don't think we will ever get to go back to station spinning as it was. IT seems like they updated the engine, so these things are here to stay. So the minority (7k protested in the trade hubs out of 40k users.) can go suck it. Until there is a devblog saying non-vanity items will come out, I am not going to get worked up about it. If you dont like the CQ go live in a ****ing pos and get over yourselves.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:17:00 -
[1871]
Originally by: Kenpachi Viktor
Originally by: shilpi This Blog was complete and utter waste of time. The real questions were not answered and CCP only trying to **** paste us all over. If you took one day and came with this crap god help you. Let us know if you need any help?
Now the real questions, actually it's only one question.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
You have to answer this question, we are not asking you to stop doing what you want, hell if someone throws their foot at axe, what should I care for? But we deserve the right to know answer for this question, as sticking with Eve-Online or Greed-Offline will depend on it.
Once again i will rephrase the question,in case you are too busy milking the cash cows/golden goose and skipped it.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
And don't even think you can skip answer to this and this will come to and end, it WILL NOT!!!!
CEO Hilmar says yes.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Jacob Flint
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:18:00 -
[1872]
Oh man.. I guess we're in for some wild times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inTRblYTevk
unsubed aswell...
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gabrial1
Counter Errorist Unit Reloaded Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:18:00 -
[1873]
I know you aren't listening to us players, but over the years you have broke PVP, 0.0 and now trust. Soundwave and his WOW Devs will have all of Eve broke soon I am sure.
Another note. Smooth and successful? You must have different definitions than I. You smoothly and successfully implemented the least amount of content, fixes, and improvements of any expansion prior.\
Gabe
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Moraguth
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:19:00 -
[1874]
I doubt anyone is reading anymore... but here's something I put together and I'd like your input on it.
Moraguth > let me get this timeline straight: internal newsletter debating pro/con of MT. Dev blog saying no MT for non-vanity items. Incarna - high monacle prices. hilmar Email predicting complaints/stay the course. zulu devblog doesn't answer questions. rioting. good game
Hoc filum tradit - This thread delivers.
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Jarin Arenos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:19:00 -
[1875]
Edited by: Jarin Arenos on 25/06/2011 03:19:36 Please, people. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS
I know that you, like me, have a great love for this game; what it has been and what it could be. I don't ask you to leave that behind. I also know that many, MANY of you have multiple accounts. Show Hilmar the error of his ways by hitting him in the only place he understands: the pocketbook.
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:21:00 -
[1876]
Originally by: Tarinara
Originally by: Chrysanthemum Korik I think taking away station spinning was a way for CCP to force players into their avatars and into the RMT mindset. Pod pilots don't need clothes if they stay in their pods.
Ahhh ... but think 'ships for real money'. Now what?
I'm not defending RMT. Given how much a part of the game EvE's economy is I don't even support the vanity RMT (Why aren't players making and trading monocles!?!?). I was just explaining why I think Incarna took away being docked and in your ship, and forces, completely needlessly and pointlessly everyone who docks to leave their ship. I think its part of the plan to introduce more RMT.
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Julian Kirov
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:21:00 -
[1877]
Finding out CCP only cares about our money is pretty
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Strykre01
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:22:00 -
[1878]
The lack of performance and the amount of overhead needed to run multi clients is sickening. All I can say is very poorly executed. Given the quality of my machine and the poor performance it is receiving sitting in station with or without Incarnage loaded makes me sad for things to come. I could upgrade my machine but I'd welcome any dev to take a look at what I have and give me some suggestions.
I don't expect a real answer from CCP as you have my 7 accounts subbed for about another 8 months.
The blind arrogance of the management team who are so far detached from the player base impresses me. Often times the best manager is the worst employee. So kudos on that one.
I hope this rant eases my mind. But tbh I don't think it matters.
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:22:00 -
[1879]
Edited by: Consortium Agent on 25/06/2011 03:26:06 It is with nothing short of mild depression and sadness in my heart that I have decided that I, too, must leave this wonderful game given recent events. I have unsubbed all my accounts and they will remain so until CCP can demonstrate they're not really this oblivious or unconcerned about their current player base. Just another small fish in the pond, but I forsee this as the beginning of a cascading failure of Eve.
I understand your motives and your reasons, CCP... I'm not obtuse. I simply don't agree with them. We've tried reasoning with you as players, 6 CSMs have tried unsuccessfully to reason with you (and yet each are surprised by your actions), the only option you leave us on your present course is to leave and take our money elsewhere. Will I miss Eve? Your damn right. I ain't over here holding a pitchfork for nothing, you know. I'm defending something I've devoted *years* of my life to enhancing and building in the sandbox... but there's an old adage I'd like to quote for you now... I don't know who said it or why, but it's so true for me...
Quote:
When the pain of holding on becomes greater than the pain of letting go, you let go.
I'm letting go. Goodbye spaceship pew pew game that I loved. Why'd you had to hurt me so bad? :(
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:22:00 -
[1880]
Edited by: Mars Theran on 25/06/2011 03:22:52
Originally by: DoPlanet
Originally by: Mars Theran How many people do we normally have logged in on a Friday? Sunday is usually the best measure anyway. Pretty sure a good portion of the 'not logged in' are probably alts. Of all the people posting in this thread, I'm certain that a few are alts. Of the massive number of posts, (over 6400), in that other thread, I'm fairly certain many are alts, but quite a few are also people posting responses to other posters.
Wow.. it's like spending days sitting in a seedy bar, watching Jerry Springer stories come alive in front of you.
Honestly haven't read barely anything, and I feel sorry for the Dev's in a way, actually having to put effort into reading some of this. I couldn't be bothered, as the first 9 pages of that other one ****ed me off when I did decide to read it. Just a bunch of bunk. Repetitive, droll, irritating trash-talk.
Grow up people. You aren't the center of the universe, and your over-inflated sense of self importance is so pompous and wind-baggy it isn't worth reading what you have to say. For some of you that actually got it right: Good on you, you have some sense.
For the rest of you: Learn how to discuss things, and quit making over-arching selfish demands. I honestly don't think one of you puppies has stepped out of their house in a decade and taken the time to learn how the world works. You demonstrate such obtuse ignorance, I can't even believe you work for a living, or even pay your own bills.
Bunch of pre-pubescent kids, and in the case where that's actually true, I'm sorry, you at least have the excuse to be ignorant. The rest don't.
That would be a perfect post directed to CCP. Especially the "Learn how to discuss things" part.
Except it wasn't directed at CCP; it was directed at people with the same attitude as you. CCP is perfectly capable of discussing things, but this open foum is not the most effective means. With trolling and flaming as a continuous response to everything they have to say, how could they discuss anything. 223 pages and counting on one thread, and most of what I've seen is rhetoric on rhetoric. 1 in 10 posts is actually considerate, and the rest is flame and BS.
Conspiracy theories, paranoia, and BS. Lot's of yellow text which mostly says the same thing; quite often by the same person or someone quoting them. I wonder what percentage of these posts is by the same group of people? 60? 70?
And how would they read through all that, to pick out the valid arguments, instead of just the BS, which is pretty much just a paranoid lock-down and inability to listen to or see reason? I wouldn't. I'm at the point where, if it were me, I'd just send the lot of you packing. I'd use these threads to count the loyal customers and respectable others, and push a big red button on the rest. One click and it wipes out all posts by that person, simultaneously stopping them from posting further, and disables their ability to continue subscribing. I'd even refund their last payment, while moving their CC, (if applicable), to a list of cards with a warning flag on them, "Not to be accepted."
But that's me. CCP's considerably more understanding.
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TFirish3
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:23:00 -
[1881]
you addressed absolutely none of the relevant concerns.
-MT's for things other than vanity -Load on the hardware from WIS (which has NO gameplay btw) -Lack of content for people who actually want to fly spaceships.
I would say good try, but honestly its not...
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streaml1ne
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:25:00 -
[1882]
Would love to see their accounting numbers in a week.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:27:00 -
[1883]
Originally by: Citrute Read this very carefully, CCP.
This. A nice analysis.
I've gotta say, I've been underwhelmed by expansions before. But at least they gave me something I thought I might want someday. This one is full of stuff I didn't ask for, would never ask for, and resent having to work around just to play the game I usually enjoy.
Woot.
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Aptiva Rin
Caldari Guerillas Of The Underground
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:28:00 -
[1884]
Edited by: Aptiva Rin on 25/06/2011 03:29:02
Not only the LulzSec logo, but also Hilmar who this was modeled after.....
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Summernite
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:29:00 -
[1885]
The issue, very clearly is "Will you be selling power?" Will you sell (for money) items, skills, or faction?
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Angst IronShard
Minmatar Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:31:00 -
[1886]
I can't believe it ! It's a game man ! how can you compare pixels with real life prices ?
A cloth IG should cost 1Ç ; a top notch high class one 5Ç and it's expensive !
Following your logic : how much a shuttle in game should cost if In real life it costs hundreds of billions ? The life of my avatar cost me 15Ç / month , so you estimated my real life's value at 15Ç ???
Non-sense and dumb.
For sure I'll never give to CCP an extra sub.
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Rabid Gerbil
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:32:00 -
[1887]
I have 5 accounts, maybe it's time to trim back, I know, I could RMT all my stuff and buy some pants!
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:33:00 -
[1888]
Originally by: Mars Theran
But that's me. CCP's considerably more understanding.
E-mail from their CEO suggests they aren't listening at all, and don't really care WHAT gets said in these forums. So the odds of them doing any of the things you've suggested are virtually zero.
Good news though, the new generation of white knights won't be listened to or respected either. This isn't a moment either side gets to win from.
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Ivol Kishtani
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:34:00 -
[1889]
CCP just locked and deleted the Hilmar thread!
Originally by: SolusLunes
Originally by: Hilmar ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
Words? Will you give us any words on these words? Or hell, god forbid, ACTION? (lol no)
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Alley Specter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:36:00 -
[1890]
THEY JUST DELETED THE THREAD REVEALING HILMAR'S EMAIL IN GENERAL DISCUSSION. KEEP IT ALIVE MY BROTHERS.
. Email Starts.-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=.UTF-8. Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:37:00 -
[1891]
Wow we waited all day for this?
Smoothest to date, yeah maybe if you put the boot.ini rollout and that dragon patch rollout as being slightly worse, but I can think of easier rollouts. I mean seriously at rollout you broke drones, missiles, probes, etc. Yes there were workarounds but do you know how long it takes to unload a carrier, repackage all the drones and then put them back, and then how much even harder it is to do that for supercarriers that can't dock. (Not so easy to fix Leviathan's either).
Thus in the first paragraph you show a disconnect with what's going on.
The problem with Fearless is folks see you moving in a direction that you agreed you would never go. There is a full blown article about how to charge for everything under the sun including many things that give game advantages when previously it was promised not to. To say the magazine does not support CCP policy is not the same as saying We will have no game altering MT in EVE Online. So basically you waste 2 paragraphs trying to explain away when if you truly planned no MT for guns, ammo, ships etc as put forth in the article you could have just made a one sentence reply There are currently no plans for any MT regarding guns, ammo, ships etc other than reskins of existing ships as put forth in interviews during the AT9 where said guns, ammo, ships are identical to already existing game items. Its like trying to get a straight answer from a politician but then again reading how your employees have rated your corporation and comments going back several years it is clear there is a communication disconnect within the whole corporation.
Much like name brand foods, in most cases those 50 dollar jeans and those 1000 jeans were made in the same plant and just another label put on them. Yeah I know cold stark reality of the manufacturing world. Basically the only thing buying a monocle is going to make you in eve is a target. Folks see one in your pic and now you are the target of wars and other inconveniences. Vanity in eve is not good it'll get you killed in game. I mean who do the empire declarers target? Those with vanity ships more often than not (you know rattlesnakes, nightmares, navy ravens etc). You just gave them another indicator of someone with to much money.
Now lets look at this new leaked email. Claims of 52 monocles sold and its lauded by Hilmar. If you lost 52 subscriptions in the process you lost more money than you gained when considered over a years time. If you lose a subscription for every monocle sold you lose out in the long term. Eve is a game about loss, you see that's where your NEX prices etc fail.
Let's say our vanity items were between 1 and 5 USDs in AUR to purchase. However said item is destroyed when you lose your clone. Its cheap enough that the person is likely to replace it unless they get pod killed like every day or something. You could also implement different outfits for different bodies this way. Giving folks a way using their jump clones to change looks from day to day too. In the long term you'd sell more at 1 to 5 USD than you will at 80 USD. Why were you afraid to take the concept of EVE to this the natural conclusion?
Truth is you've probably shot yourselves in the foot. This reply shows the same arrogance and corporate problems that the Fearless mag did that was leaked, that most reviews of your company show by your employees past and present. I feel sorry for CCP Manifest for having to post this trype. I also feel bad for CCP Zulu as this is probably not his own words but some corporate line passed down to him to present.
I still have some hope you'll pull it around, but truth is you squandered what you had. You left EVE basically on coast for 2 years and now find you don't have the money to do all you promised. Time to reexamine how your spending the money, cut WoD or DUST if you have to and right the ship so that you can return long term viability.
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Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:37:00 -
[1892]
There is no "rhetoric on rhetoric". All the community is asking is "Will you be opening this up beyond vanity items?". Its ****ing easy to answer. It is a ****ing yes or no question, and MANY MANY MANY subscriptions hang in the balance. Just answer it and move on. And fire the arrogant **** that wrote that devblog. Because seriously, he is obviously a successful nerd who thinks his **** doesn't stink because he made his favorite game and couldn't give a toss about any single person who plays it.
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:38:00 -
[1893]
In before the lock
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Baihuigau
Gallente Skull Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 -
[1894]
Get ready for the nuke, their nuking all the threads with the email.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:42:00 -
[1895]
Originally by: Boma Airaken There is no "rhetoric on rhetoric". All the community is asking is "Will you be opening this up beyond vanity items?". Its ****ing easy to answer. It is a ****ing yes or no question, and MANY MANY MANY subscriptions hang in the balance. Just answer it and move on. And fire the arrogant **** that wrote that devblog. Because seriously, he is obviously a successful nerd who thinks his **** doesn't stink because he made his favorite game and couldn't give a toss about any single person who plays it.
He has.
Yes they will.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Soddington Smythe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:43:00 -
[1896]
I'm sorry I didn't read past "assume for a short time you are wearing $1000 dollar boutique jeans", while I was entertaining this hypothetical I beat myself into a comma for being such a blight on humanity.
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Krell Kroenen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 -
[1897]
Their silence on the Non-Vanity items being sold for Aur seems to be the only answer we are going to get and it seems like a rather clear one when combined with hilmar's letter.
Speaking of that letter I love how they deleted the thread with hilmar's letter, seems they are a bit embarrassed by it and do I dare say afraid of it's effects on the player base?
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Tichu Tilyon
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:45:00 -
[1898]
We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/ ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Angst IronShard
Minmatar Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:46:00 -
[1899]
I can't believe it ! It's a game man ! how can you compare pixels with real life prices ?
A cloth IG should cost 1Ç ; a top notch high class one 5Ç and it's expensive !
Following your logic : how much a shuttle in game should cost if In real life it costs hundreds of billions ? The life of my avatar cost me 15Ç / month , so you estimated my real life's value at 15Ç ???
Non-sense and dumb.
For sure I'll never give to CCP an extra sub and even one more log for their "wonderfull" statistics. . ____________________________________________ Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. |
Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:47:00 -
[1900]
CCP clearly no longer cares about their customers by their refusal to even slightly address the chief concern of the majority of people upset by this. The issue of non-vanity items for MT wasn't even hinted upon in the dev blog. It's also nice how they've tried to corral dissent into this ****ty forum nobody reads.
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BoBoZoBo
The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:47:00 -
[1901]
Im kind of disappointed by this post.
I agree that, with the way you guys are (currently) approaching micro-trans, it does not affect game and you have a clear option not to use it. As long as it is cosmetic and does not go to an advantage... fine. I had no problem with that, it is the new paradign and I think of all developers, CCP would handle that smartly... I HOPE
But the tone of the letter just sucks. Something I would expect from Apple. That alone spoke volumes.
Been with you guys for 8 years and I even brought you pasteries when I visited Iceland. I want them back, =========================
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Indy Rider
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 -
[1902]
Originally by: Tichu Tilyon We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
Considering the reply Navigator gave on one of the threads, its confirmed real.
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DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 -
[1903]
Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 25/06/2011 03:22:52
Originally by: DoPlanet
Originally by: Mars Theran How many people do we normally have logged in on a Friday? Sunday is usually the best measure anyway. Pretty sure a good portion of the 'not logged in' are probably alts. Of all the people posting in this thread, I'm certain that a few are alts. Of the massive number of posts, (over 6400), in that other thread, I'm fairly certain many are alts, but quite a few are also people posting responses to other posters.
Wow.. it's like spending days sitting in a seedy bar, watching Jerry Springer stories come alive in front of you.
Honestly haven't read barely anything, and I feel sorry for the Dev's in a way, actually having to put effort into reading some of this. I couldn't be bothered, as the first 9 pages of that other one ****ed me off when I did decide to read it. Just a bunch of bunk. Repetitive, droll, irritating trash-talk.
Grow up people. You aren't the center of the universe, and your over-inflated sense of self importance is so pompous and wind-baggy it isn't worth reading what you have to say. For some of you that actually got it right: Good on you, you have some sense.
For the rest of you: Learn how to discuss things, and quit making over-arching selfish demands. I honestly don't think one of you puppies has stepped out of their house in a decade and taken the time to learn how the world works. You demonstrate such obtuse ignorance, I can't even believe you work for a living, or even pay your own bills.
Bunch of pre-pubescent kids, and in the case where that's actually true, I'm sorry, you at least have the excuse to be ignorant. The rest don't.
That would be a perfect post directed to CCP. Especially the "Learn how to discuss things" part.
Except it wasn't directed at CCP; it was directed at people with the same attitude as you. CCP is perfectly capable of discussing things, but this open foum is not the most effective means. With trolling and flaming as a continuous response to everything they have to say, how could they discuss anything. 223 pages and counting on one thread, and most of what I've seen is rhetoric on rhetoric. 1 in 10 posts is actually considerate, and the rest is flame and BS.
Conspiracy theories, paranoia, and BS. Lot's of yellow text which mostly says the same thing; quite often by the same person or someone quoting them. I wonder what percentage of these posts is by the same group of people? 60? 70?
And how would they read through all that, to pick out the valid arguments, instead of just the BS, which is pretty much just a paranoid lock-down and inability to listen to or see reason? I wouldn't. I'm at the point where, if it were me, I'd just send the lot of you packing. I'd use these threads to count the loyal customers and respectable others, and push a big red button on the rest. One click and it wipes out all posts by that person, simultaneously stopping them from posting further, and disables their ability to continue subscribing. I'd even refund their last payment, while moving their CC, (if applicable), to a list of cards with a warning flag on them, "Not to be accepted."
But that's me. CCP's considerably more understanding.
Have you been to A Memorial to the winners of the Ruevo Aram Riddle Competition, Heinky and Shin Ra of Burn Eden lately ? Alts you say...
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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:48:00 -
[1904]
Screw you, CCP. For your dishonesty, your condescension, your arrogance, and your contempt for us. Screw you.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:49:00 -
[1905]
Originally by: Tichu Tilyon We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
My liking of Hilmar tripled, if that's real. Wiser words were never written by the CEO of an MMO developer. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Ahrman Vanaheim
Caldari Chimaera Combine Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:51:00 -
[1906]
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
I am afraid you did not.
Speaking for myself, I am largely enjoying the recent expansion. The new turrets are awesome, and while the CQ do not offer much right now I like that it adds to the immersion, it has great potential.
I do not personally care about the NeX shop, I dont really oppose it but agree with many that the price structure is a bit steep. You have addressed this point, and while I dont really agree with your view that is good enough explanation for me. Possibly adding cheaper items at some point, fair enough.
However:
The one thing that really does worry me has not been addressed at all. It is the same question that has been posted all over this huge threadnaught in GD, in giant yellow letters:
Will there be MT for anything else than vanity items, specifically for anything that does impact actual gameplay?
This is the one question the community really needed you to answer, everything else (and I think most of my fellow players agree here) we can live with.
Frankly, the lack of even the slightest hint of a comment on this does worry me a lot.
This says it all for me. I actually really like the expansion in general, CQ is a really nice looking alternative to the rather 'old' hangar view and the turrets are outstanding. I realise not all feel the same way so imo of course.
However, MT for game altering goods would completely destroy the game for me. The Dev Blog answered nothing.
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Lenore Leelu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:53:00 -
[1907]
Originally by: Lofe sXe
FREE MINTCHIP!
lols
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Hithalu
Minmatar The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:55:00 -
[1908]
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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ZeroWulf
Journey Construction Ltd. Army of Dark Shadows
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:57:00 -
[1909]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
CCP Zulu,
You have single handedly managed to not only pimp slap your entire community, but also managed the monumental task of becoming (probably) the single most inept DevBlog Composer EVER.
For 3 days, the forum has been buzzing with question, questions that can only be answered by your company. Your Blog didn't answer anything other that what we already knew and YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU WROTE IT. You knew you weren't answering our questions.
Well sir, you gambled, and LOST.
Your invisible (and absent) PR/Community director suddenly jumps from the shadows to beg, nay PLEAD with the community for a Parlay to buy YOU time to compose an article that answers the questions we ask.
And then you write that.
I wasn't aware that in Iceland is was custom to pretty much call your entire player base ******ed. Your entire SmugBlog (because lets all face it, thats EXACTLY what it was) was just you touting some inept fallacy that your brain has concocted so that you dont have to actually acknowledge that people are mad.
You've got major MMO news sites now covering this, as well as CSM members speaking out on EVE radio, a number of them i'm sure planning on cancelling subs depending on what you do next.
Seriously, you need to let your PR person do their job. Don't EVER let Zulu in front of a keyboard again. (That is, unless you like all the trade hub and forum riots) Let your Public Relations people deal with the public. Had that been done (and that person done their JOB from the outset) the backlash would probably not been as bad as it is now.
It's only going to get a lot worse.
Your Post in this thread Zulu only shows that your going to talk about what you want to talk about, and to heck with what your player base says.
Your company, everything it says and does within the next few days, is going to be watched by A LOT of people. You won't just lose subs for EvE, but also potential players for your WoD MMO. People don't tend to forget incidents like this.
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Ramelius
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:58:00 -
[1910]
Originally by: Yldrad Edited by: Yldrad on 24/06/2011 22:12:17
Microtransactions? Click here and vote Yes, No or Vanity only
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Damned !
This DevBlog is pointless.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
No. In what alternative world are you living?
Real life comparaison is wrong at so many level...
CCP ZULU you sir are a damned moron, read the forums and then re-write the whole ****ing thing!
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Legio Praetor
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:59:00 -
[1911]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: Tichu Tilyon We all know now why we got this slap in the face devblog
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
My liking of Hilmar tripled, if that's real. Wiser words were never written by the CEO of an MMO developer.
Must be because you like having a severe pain in your backside. Unlike you, the rest of the EvE community dont like having 2 hands on their shoulders while taking it.
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Ballz Diesel
Caldari Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:01:00 -
[1912]
-2 accounts here. never thought it would come to this. pay2win is not what i'm interested in. ------- Ballz Diesel C.O.R.E. |
Dakin Chang
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:01:00 -
[1913]
Edited by: Dakin Chang on 25/06/2011 04:06:27 Thanks for the response, but this still doesn't address the rather glaring irony of calling NeX items MICRO-transactions when a digital shirt costs more than a real, physical shirt, and a monocle costs more than 3 months of game time.
PS: I think everyone is coming down too hard on Zulu, who is just the spokesperson in this case. The problem is more with the decisions that CCP has made, than the person relaying those decisions to us.
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GeneticFailure
Caldari Interstellar Construction Company
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:03:00 -
[1914]
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Empathic Psychopath
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:07:00 -
[1915]
Nah, all you whiners out there have it all wrong. CCP is simply trying to align their company outlook with the Iceland economy. Won't be long now and all this talk of profits won't matter
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Phinger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:08:00 -
[1916]
Ok so I am one of the real world rich people. I buy nice stuff like you said in your blog...aka bought 3 authentic Gucci handbags as gifts for wife(more gigi) and some for close friends birthdays. That's a truckload of a real money Hilmer for real items that we live in the real world and give real value. Not everyone likes gucci but the statement that handbag gives serious meaning.
But seriously I ain't buying a freaking virtual monocle for 70-80 bucks US. I don't own that sprite you do. I don't show it to my mates or my wife show-off her latest present from me. Even on my - dread I say it 5 wow accounts- I occasionally some vanity pet or mount and even then it's hard justifying the payment for a sprite.
Now I would spend the money of a groundbreaking "I WIN" ship.....but then thats like playing cheat mode in a FPS shooter.... It fun then it's boring and you drop the game. If you don't shut this down with a direct policy of and STATING you won't go down this path...... Then you are now counting the days till you close your doors. My old company hired consultants.....dumbest move they ever did. They alienated their workforce, they lost customers and finally after 11 years of litigation they lost every court case that was started by listening to a bunch of consultants. Got to remember consultants are just people that generate ideas.....doesn't mean they are good/sound or align with your own ideals. But when they put gifts in you eyes of the graphs of how much money your going to earn.....your listening to the devil. The consultant gets paid whether you are solvent or not.
Bunch of dumbies
If it's only two people online at CCP, i think you should be calling your boss to wake everyone up to start a all nighter on how your going to stop your jobs self imploding over this weekend.
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Shiangti
Caldari Revelation Exploration Inc. Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:09:00 -
[1917]
now that it is confirmed by CCP Navigator that the letter from Himar is real, how long will it be before we can buy the P2W stuff in the NEX store?
Linkage
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:09:00 -
[1918]
Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/06/2011 00:25:27 CCP Zulu
Since you deliberately ignored the #1 concern that the player base have, that you're moving towards selling in-game advantages for money, I'll assume that you ARE moving towards it.
If you are, SAY SO! If you're not, SAY SO!
I don't think many players (apart from a few habitual whiners) give a rats ass about the price of monocles, or whether CQ is optional or not, but in-game advantages is a completely different matter. Yet you chose not to address it at all...
I'm drawing my own conclusions from that, and I guess most of the other players are too...
Hey I remember you!
Quote: CCP found a way to turn this inevitable fact into an income source, and at the same time squash the negative effects on the game from excessive farming. Brilliantly done!
hows the hoof in mouth disease going?
I will be blunt, I have said for years that CCP had already turned the game into a F2P microtransation game.
the only thing that kept this from happening sooner is that frankly they were to ****ing full of themselves and too ****ing incompitent at the same time to get to this point before now.
http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1145342&page=3#67
.End of line.
If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
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almightybig
Evolution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:10:00 -
[1919]
I suppose the most humourous thing aout the blog has to do with $1,000 jeans. Yes, in real life i may pay more for something that gives a sense of status. But what diffierence do price points make when no one in game can see what I am wearing while i stagger around my new CQ. Until such a time as you can interract with others in station, sit down and play cards or have a good old fashioned knock down drag out bar brawl, Incarna really is completely useless. Nothing more than a different, and in my case, more laggy way deal with my 'in station' existance. I am happy i can opt out and turn it off, as I already have. When i want that type of game I run over to Second Life. All that blather aside, will someone over there please, for the love of all that is wonderful in EVE, PLEASE answer the damn question posed a hundred times in this thread.
WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE "WE WILL NEVER SELL SKILLPOINTS/STANDINGS OR ANY OTHER GAME INFLUENCING TYPE OF ITEM ON THIS NEW EXCHANGE" SO EVERYONE WILL JUST SHUT UP AND GO BACK TO PLAYING.
Thanks
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boeboe joe
Helix Commonwealth Command
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:12:00 -
[1920]
Don't know if I'm the first to say this but here it goes, thank you CCP Zulu. I also want to give a much needed and overdue thanks to CCP Pann and CCP Fallout for being on the frontlines of this whole thing and dealing with/tanking the trolls.
I really do have a better understanding of what the company newsletter was all about. If I did understand it correctly it's more of a brainstorm on big ideas currently in the industry, for employees to go back and forth to develop those ideas that could be used to enhance EVE/CCP. "The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."-Zulu
As far as the NEX market goes, personally I won't be paying (I lol's at my puns) any attention to those things unless, someone happens to put one of those on market for less than 10 mil isk, that would probably be my limit. Therefore, "NEX market combat group of vanity items completely miss boeboe joe, doing 0.0 damage to his wallet, yay!"
A good feature to have on the NEX market too would be to display the original price beside those item(s) on sale, like 900 AUR then 1,200 AUR in strikethrough. But I digress, that is a another topic for another thread. Again I cannot thank you all enough for explaining this in further detail, and from mature players everywhere I would like to say I'm sorry for the crap you all have had to deal with. Now go make us some moar CQ's! |
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:12:00 -
[1921]
Edited by: Uuali on 25/06/2011 04:13:12 Edited by: Uuali on 25/06/2011 04:12:32
Devblog quote: "People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are."
Once upon a time you could get a Ralph Lauren Polo shirt for free. Then there was a bait and switch. Somebody said, "Hey people think this shirt is so cool lets charge them for it in a virtual world the same way they get charged for it in the real world!"
So the Ralph Lauren Polo shirt was removed from the game and generic clothing was substituted. Now people have to pay real money for a virtual item that was once free.
Why wouldn't people like to do the same in a virtual game world that they'd have to do in real life?
Hint hint: Wonder when we'll see those cool Khanid helmets reappear and for how much?
Read Animal Farm lately?
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Celebris Nexterra
Gallente Lowsec Static
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:12:00 -
[1922]
Originally by: almightybig I suppose the most humourous thing aout the blog has to do with $1,000 jeans. Yes, in real life i may pay more for something that gives a sense of status. But what diffierence do price points make when no one in game can see what I am wearing while i stagger around my new CQ. Until such a time as you can interract with others in station, sit down and play cards or have a good old fashioned knock down drag out bar brawl, Incarna really is completely useless. Nothing more than a different, and in my case, more laggy way deal with my 'in station' existance. I am happy i can opt out and turn it off, as I already have. When i want that type of game I run over to Second Life. All that blather aside, will someone over there please, for the love of all that is wonderful in EVE, PLEASE answer the damn question posed a hundred times in this thread.
WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE "WE WILL NEVER SELL SKILLPOINTS/STANDINGS OR ANY OTHER GAME INFLUENCING TYPE OF ITEM ON THIS NEW EXCHANGE" SO EVERYONE WILL JUST SHUT UP AND GO BACK TO PLAYING.
Thanks
They would do that if that was the plan. But it's not. Read the newsletter, sir. Read the leaked email, it's definitely out, and now offsite.
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Chomskian
Minmatar Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:13:00 -
[1923]
all the blog was missing is the part that says, "we will keep the in game store limited to vanity and appearance items" and it would be a very good blog.
as it is, eh?
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Violine Ming
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:15:00 -
[1924]
Don't care about price of vanity items.
Pay-to-win **** in game == -2 subs.
Incarna is the most underwhelming release to date.
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i hatechosingnames
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:15:00 -
[1925]
Another full on CCP fail.
when my game time expires i will not be replexing my account.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:16:00 -
[1926]
Originally by: ZeroWulf
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
CCP Zulu,
You have single handedly managed to not only pimp slap your entire community, but also managed the monumental task of becoming (probably) the single most inept DevBlog Composer EVER.
For 3 days, the forum has been buzzing with question, questions that can only be answered by your company. Your Blog didn't answer anything other that what we already knew and YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU WROTE IT. You knew you weren't answering our questions.
Well sir, you gambled, and LOST.
Your invisible (and absent) PR/Community director suddenly jumps from the shadows to beg, nay PLEAD with the community for a Parlay to buy YOU time to compose an article that answers the questions we ask.
And then you write that.
I wasn't aware that in Iceland is was custom to pretty much call your entire player base ******ed. Your entire SmugBlog (because lets all face it, thats EXACTLY what it was) was just you touting some inept fallacy that your brain has concocted so that you dont have to actually acknowledge that people are mad.
You've got major MMO news sites now covering this, as well as CSM members speaking out on EVE radio, a number of them i'm sure planning on cancelling subs depending on what you do next.
Seriously, you need to let your PR person do their job. Don't EVER let Zulu in front of a keyboard again. (That is, unless you like all the trade hub and forum riots) Let your Public Relations people deal with the public. Had that been done (and that person done their JOB from the outset) the backlash would probably not been as bad as it is now.
It's only going to get a lot worse.
Your Post in this thread Zulu only shows that your going to talk about what you want to talk about, and to heck with what your player base says.
Your company, everything it says and does within the next few days, is going to be watched by A LOT of people. You won't just lose subs for EvE, but also potential players for your WoD MMO. People don't tend to forget incidents like this.
Their stats shows them more of us were ball-less whiners then those who would unsubscribe.
They hope that if they ignore everything, those that say "I will quit if you ever" will stay and those who make noise will leave.
CCP should have done some reading on social networks and communities, how they function and where the contections between nodes go.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:17:00 -
[1927]
Hm, that leaked Hilmar email, which I assume is real, explains a lot of what is going on.
CCP Zulu. I sincerely apologize for being an ass earlier in the thread.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:19:00 -
[1928]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
They hope that if they ignore everything, those that say "I will quit if you ever" will stay and those who make noise will leave.
HEAR THAT!
If you are this person and if you haven't already taken the extra step of actually doing the painless unsubscribe. CCP is looking to you. To make this massive scam work.
You are the shill.
Your investment of time and emotion is naught now. Do not consider it in your choice. Your isk is worthless.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:19:00 -
[1929]
Originally by: Ra Vhim Hm, that leaked Hilmar email, which I assume is real, explains a lot of what is going on.
CCP Zulu. I sincerely apologize for being an ass earlier in the thread.
You are apologizing to a guy that is complicit and aiding in lying to you?
I find all the CCP that were out trying to damage control this as contemptible as the big wig for going along with it.
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Angelina Trollie
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:20:00 -
[1930]
Couple of things to point out.
The simple fact that in your blog you had to equate the value of REAL LIFE CLOTHING to fake internet clothing in an asinine comparison should have been your first clue your argument was ****ed.
The fact that you would post that an internal news letter was published with exaggerated opinions to spur debate shows that you either believe the people who read your **** are stupid or you are praying to Odin they are.
I want to be able to use ****storm without it being blocked out.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:20:00 -
[1931]
Originally by: boeboe joe Don't know if I'm the first to say this but here it goes, thank you CCP Zulu. I also want to give a much needed and overdue thanks to CCP Pann and CCP Fallout for being on the frontlines of this whole thing and dealing with/tanking the trolls.
I really do have a better understanding of what the company newsletter was all about. If I did understand it correctly it's more of a brainstorm on big ideas currently in the industry, for employees to go back and forth to develop those ideas that could be used to enhance EVE/CCP. "The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."-Zulu
As far as the NEX market goes, personally I won't be paying (I lol's at my puns) any attention to those things unless, someone happens to put one of those on market for less than 10 mil isk, that would probably be my limit. Therefore, "NEX market combat group of vanity items completely miss boeboe joe, doing 0.0 damage to his wallet, yay!"
A good feature to have on the NEX market too would be to display the original price beside those item(s) on sale, like 900 AUR then 1,200 AUR in strikethrough. But I digress, that is a another topic for another thread. Again I cannot thank you all enough for explaining this in further detail, and from mature players everywhere I would like to say I'm sorry for the crap you all have had to deal with. Now go make us some moar CQ's!
Thank you, Boeboe Joe, for maintaining the sanity I expect of EVE players on average. These fora have been awash with ignorant, childish garbage over this matter. I'd begun to think that I'd only deluded myself until now that EVE players are generally intelligent, but perhaps the general population simply isn't what's vocal right now. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
DoPlanet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:21:00 -
[1932]
"Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life."
How about this in the future ?
Let's at the GUNS in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand?
Assume for a short while that you are carrying a pair of $666666 BFG's from Doom. Why would you want to have them when you can get perfectly similar rocks for under $0.50?
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:21:00 -
[1933]
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Ra Vhim Hm, that leaked Hilmar email, which I assume is real, explains a lot of what is going on.
CCP Zulu. I sincerely apologize for being an ass earlier in the thread.
You are apologizing to a guy that is complicit and aiding in lying to you?
I find all the CCP that were out trying to damage control this as contemptible as the big wig for going along with it.
Yeah I don't go in for this whole "innocent individuals" ****.
They are complicit. They had the chance to walk out of the company over this.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:24:00 -
[1934]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Ra Vhim Hm, that leaked Hilmar email, which I assume is real, explains a lot of what is going on.
CCP Zulu. I sincerely apologize for being an ass earlier in the thread.
You are apologizing to a guy that is complicit and aiding in lying to you?
I find all the CCP that were out trying to damage control this as contemptible as the big wig for going along with it.
Yeah I don't go in for this whole "innocent individuals" ****.
They are complicit. They had the chance to walk out of the company over this.
Exactly they went out on a mission to Lie to us at the order of these morons. And they were ok with it.
They are just as guilty IMO. Perpetrating a fake apology and concern for the players they never intended to listen too.
They need a long hard look in the mirror.
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:24:00 -
[1935]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Well, in addressing those two, you've already partially addressed the others.
This is your thing. You have to have a bloody expansion every 6 months so you can inject a few thousand subscribers into your struggling model, so it comes to this. Headwear. Not a polished add-on ("best expansion yet", indeed. =P ), just a room that breaks graphics cards and oh, buy our $30 pants, cause we blew our budget on our drunken Dust plans and then flipped off Microsoft.
If CCP was truly interested in growing EVE as a game, then they'd make that game, that core game, appeal to many more people. It's why it still blows my mind that for as cool as PvP and sovergnity is in game (the feature they keep trying to sell), it is enjoyed by no more than a quarter of the population at most. Less than 10% of EVE players are in 0.0.
And yet things like content, missions, STORY, are hardly anywhere to be seen. Their content department has been gutted, their mission tools and features have been abandoned one after the other (COSMOS, Epic Arcs, Faction Warfare, Exploration, expeditions, etc) in various states of development. There is no narrative to experience, except for the one the players make themselves, and for most people, they read about it in EVE news, not partake of it themselves, because it's beyond the reach of most to be enjoyable.
But instead of building on that, you know, like every other MMO company does, we get hats. Oh, and they're $70. If this were TF2, I'd have a freakin' "towering pile of monocle" for that. Twice.
I'd like to see CCP some out and state a direction and plan for this game, and stick with it for a while, and not just throw out half-baked features because someone decided it was a great idea and wrote a blog post promising it before it was vetted or not. If you really think "walking in stations" is going to add a lot, then great. But take some time on it, and actually follow through for once, instead of littering the game with all of these long forgotten features, and then insult us by trying to justify a $70 eye patch. I mean, REALLY?
This game has been coasting on a lack of competition as the only real sci-fi MMO in town, but that's not going to grow it beyond what it is, nor will it keep it going indefinitely. If you guys don't want to pull a SWG, you'll take a good long look at it, and really figure out what you want to do with this thing.
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Token Afrodude
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:26:00 -
[1936]
Originally by: Angst IronShard I can't believe it ! It's a game man ! how can you compare pixels with real life prices ?
A cloth IG should cost 1Ç ; a top notch high class one 5Ç and it's expensive !
Following your logic : how much a shuttle in game should cost if In real life it costs hundreds of billions ? The life of my avatar cost me 15Ç / month , so you estimated my real life's value at 15Ç ???
Non-sense and dumb.
For sure I'll never give to CCP an extra sub.
Judging by what we've seen and heard, this is EXACLY the case. A reputation for a thousand years may depend upon the conduct of a single moment. -Ernest Bramah
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Mi Sing
Caldari Crusaders Transcendancy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:26:00 -
[1937]
OK, I have only read through the first 4 pages of this thread, but I have to respond. The "Dev Blog" was nothing but a slap in the face to your CUSTOMERS. All I really got out of it is, STFU and take what we give you. Also, the leaked e-mail, if it is truely from Hilmar, shows that you really have no clue to what your customers want. I don't think that CCP realizes that we do not have to give you our money, nor do we have to play EVE. We do it because we love this game. I know you're not Americans, and maybe you have never heard this phrase before, but "The customer is always right." Because if you don't listen to your customers, you don't make money.
Right now CCP is losing the last shred of loyalty I have left. You don't want to listen to us, you don't want to address the real issue and you don't want to listen to the CSM that was to be your sounding board for stuff like this. I am appalled at you attitude towards us.
The leaked internal newsletter should have been addressed immediately. Because it wasn't, no one believes you. You should have answered the biggest question on everyone's lips, "Will NEX be used for non-vanity items?" That should have been your first "Dev Blog". And it needs to be answered by none other than the CCP CEO himself, nothing else will be listened to at this point. You have let us stew too long for it to be otherwise, because, in the absence of facts, our worst nightmares appear to become true. And truthfully, I'm not even sure this will help any more.
CCP used to be the renegade for MMOs. You were told a single shard universe would never work. It has, more than even you had hoped. You were told that a persistent, spaceship based game world would not work. And internet spaceships became serious business. Now you say you have to bend to "conventional wisdom" and become like other MMOs with MT. That does not make sense, you have proven the industry wrong so many times, that you should be the industry standard. Your recent actions leave us dumbfounded, but at least we are not silent.
But the worst thing you have done is not introduced MT, after being told we didn't want it in the game. It wasn't the introduction of Incarna, after we asked for it to be optional. Its not even that a flaw in the coding for CQ may be responsible for killing computers in near nuclear fire. No, it is not any of these, though they are serious issues in, and of themselves. It is the fact that you are lieing to us. And you have done it so much recently, and then sidesteped are very valid concerns, that we no longer believe and trust you. It will take a lot of effort on your part to regain that trust back.
I, for one, do actually like the CQ. But I have also gotten lucky and just happened to have a system that is able to handle it. If you can fix the coding, it will become amazing. But, no one may ever get to see its full potential. There does need to be a spot in between space and CQ, making the old hanger view be the default, with a button to enter your CQ is a very good idea. You may want to try it. Don't use the NEX for $ for in-game advantage item sales. We can live with the vanity only items.
I do not want to see EVE go away, I have loved this game since I started playing in late 2007. From the first, I was hooked. As have been many others over the years. You have a unique game, universe and (very) loyal fanbase. We have weathered the years well together, yes together. Our thoughts on the game were always listened to, if not always actually used, or followed. That has changed. We need a direct answer, yes or no, from the very top of CCP. Nothing less will do at this point. You have your chance, right now, to fix this. And unlike Hilmar says in his email, you really should listen to us, because by the time you see us leaving and realize you, just might, have been wrong, it may well be too late to save EVE, and by extension, CCP. Please, listen to us, and give us something!
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Shuckstar
Gallente Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:27:00 -
[1938]
Originally by: Riley Moore Nice dodging every issue.
+1
You are going to fast! Wait five minutes and try again.
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Eriam JH
Gallente Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:28:00 -
[1939]
JUST ANSWER THE F*****G QUESTION, CCP! I've got 3 accounts and 4 years ($2100) riding on the answer. Wanna keep me? You know what to do. |
Airmanator
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:29:00 -
[1940]
Glad to see such opposition to these current and upcoming changes. It shows we won't gargle CCP's **** like other communities do to their developers. I mean no hostility or "threats" by this, only that I'm saying what I'm seeing.
I can't be sure on how CCP will crack down on its opposition; bannings will ensure by the hundreds but will that really solve the problem?
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Bhaal Chinnian
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:29:00 -
[1941]
Dear CCP, I would like to thank you for provided me enough tears to lubricate the fapping marathon which I am about to embark upon while reading 69 pages of douchbaggery. Bravo! kind sirs, bravo...
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Nathanael Lemmont
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:30:00 -
[1942]
I'm a rather new player (approx 4 months) who's been excited for Incarna ever since I started playing. The possibilities of it are part of the reason I started playing, so I have no issue at all with CQ or even the NeX, or really any other part of the expansion. It's worked well so far for me, from technical and usability standpoints.
This seems to me, however, like an abuse of goodwill. CCP Pann had, last evening, posted a very earnest and sincere message ensuring us that you were listening, and desired to maintain a dialogue with us. I'm told that she then had a personal emergency to tend to, and I see no reason to discount that. I'm thankful for her attempt to reach out, and her seeming graciousness.
This morning, it was said that Zulu was - for some hours! - working on a blog update, in order to mollify concerns and communicate CCP's stance on the issues at hand. It seemed, however, that Zulu hadn't read the forums here at all. The main issues were loudly, repeatedly, and unambiguously communicated by the playerbase. The update seemed hastily written, and apparently disregarded nearly every suggestion put forward by the CSM. The devblog didn't make sense. It didn't forward the dialogue. In fact, it made things far worse, which was or should have been seen coming from at least 50km away.
I'm waiting til the morning. I feel that there are sincere and passionate people on the dev and PR teams at CCP, and I would like to hear what they have to say. But I'm wary, now. Up until today, as a new player, I defended and was able to understand CCP and their actions, believing that the playerbase was merely being protectionist at best, or willfully childish at worst. Tonight I am unsure of my future with EVE. I only want to see that you care.
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Bantara
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:30:00 -
[1943]
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Ra Vhim Hm, that leaked Hilmar email, which I assume is real, explains a lot of what is going on.
CCP Zulu. I sincerely apologize for being an ass earlier in the thread.
You are apologizing to a guy that is complicit and aiding in lying to you?
I find all the CCP that were out trying to damage control this as contemptible as the big wig for going along with it.
+1, QFT
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:34:00 -
[1944]
Originally by: Mi Sing The "Dev Blog" was nothing but a slap in the face to your CUSTOMERS.
Who have never more blatantly shown that they desperately require it. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:34:00 -
[1945]
At this point there is only one thing left to do
sit back and watch eve burn ------------------- piccy |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:36:00 -
[1946]
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
This is your thing. You have to have a bloody expansion every 6 months so you can inject a few thousand subscribers into your struggling model, so it comes to this. Headwear. Not a polished add-on ("best expansion yet", indeed. =P ), just a room that breaks graphics cards and oh, buy our $30 pants, cause we blew our budget on our drunken Dust plans and then flipped off Microsoft.
If CCP was truly interested in growing EVE as a game, then they'd make that game, that core game, appeal to many more people. It's why it still blows my mind that for as cool as PvP and sovergnity is in game (the feature they keep trying to sell), it is enjoyed by no more than a quarter of the population at most. Less than 10% of EVE players are in 0.0.
And yet things like content, missions, STORY, are hardly anywhere to be seen. Their content department has been gutted, their mission tools and features have been abandoned one after the other (COSMOS, Epic Arcs, Faction Warfare, Exploration, expeditions, etc) in various states of development. There is no narrative to experience, except for the one the players make themselves, and for most people, they read about it in EVE news, not partake of it themselves, because it's beyond the reach of most to be enjoyable.
But instead of building on that, you know, like every other MMO company does, we get hats. Oh, and they're $70. If this were TF2, I'd have a freakin' "towering pile of monocle" for that. Twice.
I'd like to see CCP some out and state a direction and plan for this game, and stick with it for a while, and not just throw out half-baked features because someone decided it was a great idea and wrote a blog post promising it before it was vetted or not. If you really think "walking in stations" is going to add a lot, then great. But take some time on it, and actually follow through for once, instead of littering the game with all of these long forgotten features, and then insult us by trying to justify a $70 eye patch. I mean, REALLY?
This game has been coasting on a lack of competition as the only real sci-fi MMO in town, but that's not going to grow it beyond what it is, nor will it keep it going indefinitely. If you guys don't want to pull a SWG, you'll take a good long look at it, and really figure out what you want to do with this thing.
The market size for sci-fi spacesubmarine game is limited.
They never really seemed to understand this. Sitting at near 100% market penetration with 300k subscribers and Hilmar asks for 600k?
From where? WoW? That worked out well. 6 months later it was the miss-aligned from new-Eve-player-from-WoW which leads to Hilmar learning to ignore the customers.
CCP really just have to learn their market is 300-350k subscribers. They need to get those, then fix enough bugs to keep them.
I have 10 people on call waiting for XYZ patch. The moment CCP fixes stuff I ring them. They ring 5 people each and the week after the action is on. I haven't made these phonecalls for 3.5 years.
Want to get more subscribers? Fix some bugs and we all make those calls.
CCP just never understood that. Success != growth. Success = eating.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Futar Csav0
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:37:00 -
[1947]
ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:38:00 -
[1948]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: Mi Sing The "Dev Blog" was nothing but a slap in the face to your CUSTOMERS.
Who have never more blatantly shown that they desperately require it.
And if they just sit there and take it and do nothing about it, then they certainly deserve it.
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Serynna
Gallente Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:38:00 -
[1949]
I was debating with myself, whether or not I should unsub my last account or wait a bit longer, holding on to the last shred of unreasonable hope. Then I read Hilmar's leaked email.
I'm out.
-2
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Tethys Atreides
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:39:00 -
[1950]
This makes me very sad.
I have played this game for many years, and invested a lot of time and money. I was very excited about the future of Eve, and looked forward to playing it for many years to come.
I am sad that CCP thinks so little of it's customers.
I am sad that CCP is even considering non-vanity micro-transactions, as it is anathema to the very idea of Eve.
I am sad that certain members of this community, rather than taking CCP to task for the above, have turned this into a chest thumping contest.
I am sad that CCP has taken them up on it.
I am sad that instead of enjoying flying internet spaceships around, I am having to fight for the future of a game that I love.
And finally I am sad that all of this drama is eclipsing the new expansion.
Please, I ask you humbly, fix this.
Respectfully, T A
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VisKerric
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:39:00 -
[1951]
CCP has a deal with SONY for deployment of dust on the PS3. What does dust focus on ? BUYING things to fight with with RL $$$.
As soon as educated people heard this they knew like me that the Microtransification of EVE was inevitable.
They (CCP) also mentioned during the IX toury that something had to be done to nerf older players that had soooooo much wealth accumulated. Hummm perhaps the addition of NON-VANITY items will make them spend their isk on plex to get them !.......
CCP Your feeding your own trolls. STOP IT!
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:40:00 -
[1952]
Good luck dealing with that messy explosion ladies and gentlemen.
I salute you CCP PR and Community members.
o7
The EVE Community is here.
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Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:43:00 -
[1953]
Originally by: Cosmoes sit back and watch eve burn
Hard to see the flames with CCP crouched over me and ****ting in my mouth. |
Rashmika Sky
Amarr R. Sky Escorts
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:45:00 -
[1954]
If I repeat anything stated earlier, my apologies, but there's no way in hell I'm reading 60+ pages forum posts. If anybody, CCP or non, actually does... I'm impressed.
Ignoring my opinion that charging micro-transactions when you're already charging for subscriptions is way too greedy to be acceptable, I'd like to touch on the prices of these items. Funny enough, I addressed this issue in a post back in 2007, stating:
Originally by: Rashmika Sky Posted - 2007.10.25 03:45:00
When people buy ships that dwarf the Eiffel Tower for a few million isk, it seems absurd for any article of clothing to come *anywhere* near those kinds of prices. I googled the construction cost for the Eiffel Tower just now, and found a site that states the cost as $US 35,000,000 were the cost converted into 2006 currency. Now consider how much more it must cost to build even a frigate in Eve, for comparison. Probably 1,000,000 isk is more valuable than the $35 mil construction cost for the tower. In which case... how much clothing should 1,000,000 isk buy a pilot?
There's just no way to justify these items having the prices they do; the material costs, and even the costs of labor in producing incredibly ornate clothing, still could not explain the prices of these items. I'm sorry, but it requires a ridiculous suspension of disbelief to accept these prices.
I also fear the consequences this will have on Incarna - does CCP want to risk such a huge undertaking becoming an unused, hated feature? It is obvious that a great deal of work went into Incarna, and while what we have seen thus far is rather limited, I believe there is a great deal of potential - but if the community ignores Incarna for whatever reason, that potential will come to nothing.
You can't force people to socialize, and socialization is what Incarna is meant for. Incarna isn't something people can be forced to use, so CCP needs to ensure people actually like Incarna and want to use it, or they will waste the opportunity Incarna presents. As somebody that has spent far more time chatting in Eve than killing things or making isk, I want to see Incarna live up to its potential, but the direction CCP is going makes me doubt the likelihood that it will.
Now returning to my opinion that charging micro-transactions on top of a subscription is too greedy - my main problem with this is that I used to have access to all the content in Eve without me or *anybody else* having to spend real life money beyond the subscription costs. Now, as a community, we are essentially getting less than 100% of Eve for the same price.
I know that nothing an individual says here will have any impact on CCP's decisions. I hope, though, that enough of the community voicing their concerns or displeasure in this thread and on these forums in general, will sway CCP towards a more sensible path that will do them credit and show they see their players as more than wallets to be emptied.
Yes, CCP is a company, and companies exist to make money; but what is worth more, your integrity, your reputation and the quality of your product, or a few extra dollars?
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Vala Malderran
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 -
[1955]
Originally by: Onyx Blackman
Originally by: Cosmoes sit back and watch eve burn
Hard to see the flames with CCP crouched over me and ****ting in my mouth.
+1
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 -
[1956]
Originally by: Tethys Atreides I am sad that certain members of this community, rather than taking CCP to task for the above, have turned this into a chest thumping contest.
These are the people that have been "taking CCP to task" for 4 to 8 years.
That's why they are here in force. Because they do actually care.
Just most now realise this is the best corp fail-cascade the game has had and it's better to laugh.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Futar Csav0
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 -
[1957]
ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
CAAN0N
URBAN CHA0S WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:47:00 -
[1958]
Edited by: CAAN0N on 25/06/2011 04:49:32 YO CCP I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish but Star Wars Galaxies had one of the best Cluter****s of all time. One of the best Cluter****s of all time!
Oh by the way I just got a phone call it was Seld***** (PRONS fill in the blanks) He says that you are a TERRIBLE game developers and that you don't want to get better.
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:48:00 -
[1959]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:37:49
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
This is your thing. You have to have a bloody expansion every 6 months so you can inject a few thousand subscribers into your struggling model, so it comes to this. Headwear. Not a polished add-on ("best expansion yet", indeed. =P ), just a room that breaks graphics cards and oh, buy our $30 pants, cause we blew our budget on our drunken Dust plans and then flipped off Microsoft.
If CCP was truly interested in growing EVE as a game, then they'd make that game, that core game, appeal to many more people. It's why it still blows my mind that for as cool as PvP and sovergnity is in game (the feature they keep trying to sell), it is enjoyed by no more than a quarter of the population at most. Less than 10% of EVE players are in 0.0.
And yet things like content, missions, STORY, are hardly anywhere to be seen. Their content department has been gutted, their mission tools and features have been abandoned one after the other (COSMOS, Epic Arcs, Faction Warfare, Exploration, expeditions, etc) in various states of development. There is no narrative to experience, except for the one the players make themselves, and for most people, they read about it in EVE news, not partake of it themselves, because it's beyond the reach of most to be enjoyable.
But instead of building on that, you know, like every other MMO company does, we get hats. Oh, and they're $70. If this were TF2, I'd have a freakin' "towering pile of monocle" for that. Twice.
I'd like to see CCP some out and state a direction and plan for this game, and stick with it for a while, and not just throw out half-baked features because someone decided it was a great idea and wrote a blog post promising it before it was vetted or not. If you really think "walking in stations" is going to add a lot, then great. But take some time on it, and actually follow through for once, instead of littering the game with all of these long forgotten features, and then insult us by trying to justify a $70 eye patch. I mean, REALLY?
This game has been coasting on a lack of competition as the only real sci-fi MMO in town, but that's not going to grow it beyond what it is, nor will it keep it going indefinitely. If you guys don't want to pull a SWG, you'll take a good long look at it, and really figure out what you want to do with this thing.
The market size for sci-fi spacesubmarine game is limited.
They can subsist just fine on 300k. They really can. But if they want more, as you said, then they've gotta understand that it's not going to grow much more than what it is now. The majority of features cater to a small subset of EVE players. The rest of us enjoy the scraps there are. They may be good enough (we subscribed, afterall) but it's by no means a sure thing.
Every other MMO has CONTENT. Story. Plot. Writing. We don't have much of that in EVE. We have chronicles (on a website) and a bunch of broken tools. Every 6 months its a new "feature" and then they move onto something different. There's no long term focus or strategy. This is another "lets throw this at the wall and see if it sticks" push. And its by far the most insulting yet.
I have no problems with microtransactions in and of themselves. Someone wants to blow $70 on a eyepatch, fine. Good for those who bought it.
What's frustrating is watching EVE getting more and more boring (to the point I unsubscribed, so here I remain with my last alt) while they beat that same damn 0.0 drum and go from one drunken idea to the next, leaving the pieces in their wake.
EVE could have many more players. But the reason they don't is not because of bugs, it's because outside of us bitter few, no one wants to play it. Everyone else tries it and finds that unless they want to spend their waking hours married to a 0.0 corp, it's a darn boring game.
But somehow, hats will fix that.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:49:00 -
[1960]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:51:45
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
They can subsist just fine on 300k. They really can.
For sure. I give them more then enough money to maintain the service.
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak EVE could have many more players.
Most of them already have accounts even, just need their favorite bug fix to bring them back.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
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Tethys Atreides
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:51:00 -
[1961]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Tethys Atreides I am sad that certain members of this community, rather than taking CCP to task for the above, have turned this into a chest thumping contest.
These are the people that have been "taking CCP to task" for 4 to 8 years.
That's why they are here in force. Because they do actually care.
Just most now realise this is the best corp fail-cascade the game has had and it's better to laugh.
I'm not suggesting they don't care. On the contrary, I beleive we are all here because we share a deep attachment to this game. The problem comes when it is turned into a battle of egos. Then you see what we did today with Hilmar digging his heels in despite the obvious flow of events and opinions. All I'm saying is that calling someone a **** does not further the discussion...
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:53:00 -
[1962]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:55:43 Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:53:19
Originally by: Tethys Atreides The problem comes when it is turned into a battle of egos. Then you see what we did today with Hilmar digging his heels in despite the obvious flow of events and opinions. All I'm saying is that calling someone a **** does not further the discussion...
Hilmar adopted the "Users tell me dumb stuff which is wrong" attitude probably 2 years ago.
edit: They got burnt by user feedback without quality metrics hard.
There was a thread with a document being linked by people who didn't really agree with the document. A lot of bumping by angry people and CCP focused on the bad info contained in the ****storm.
There were a few screaming it was wrong but the tide was way too strong.
This taught Hilmar we are idiots.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Tarinara
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:54:00 -
[1963]
Originally by: Mars Theran Edited by: Mars Theran on 25/06/2011 03:22:52I'd use these threads to count the loyal customers and respectable others, and push a big red button on the rest. One click and it wipes out all posts by that person, simultaneously stopping them from posting further, and disables their ability to continue subscribing. I'd even refund their last payment, while moving their CC, (if applicable), to a list of cards with a warning flag on them, "Not to be accepted."
But that's me. CCP's considerably more understanding.
Hey(!) - can we get you put in charge then? I could get my $20USD back and not feel like I needed a shower...
And you *do* seem to have Hilmars customer relation skills down pat.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:55:00 -
[1964]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 04:55:57
Originally by: Rashmika Sky [snip]
Thanks for that, Rashmika. That's the kind of criticism that my posts are not directed at.
I don't like the prices, either, but the ***** fight that has ensued only makes CCP look an order of magnitude saner.
Edit: F e c e s is censored? Amazing. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Ender sup
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:56:00 -
[1965]
Are you wearing $1000 Japanese pants? How about a $70 Icelandic monocle to go with them?
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Tethys Atreides
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:56:00 -
[1966]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:53:19
Originally by: Tethys Atreides The problem comes when it is turned into a battle of egos. Then you see what we did today with Hilmar digging his heels in despite the obvious flow of events and opinions. All I'm saying is that calling someone a **** does not further the discussion...
Hilmar adopted the "Users tell me dumb stuff which is wrong" attitude probably 2 years ago.
Well I hope he sees the light this time, or this game has breathed it's last. I'll have to take my $100 a month and start over elsewhere...
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Herring
Caldari Pimpology
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:57:00 -
[1967]
Those weren't the words I was hoping to hear.
See ya. You can have my delicious tears.
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Algathas
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:57:00 -
[1968]
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
Every other MMO has CONTENT. Story. Plot. Writing. We don't have much of that in EVE. We have chronicles (on a website) and a bunch of broken tools. Every 6 months its a new "feature" and then they move onto something different. There's no long term focus or strategy. This is another "lets throw this at the wall and see if it sticks" push. And its by far the most insulting yet.
Except that they stopped writing chronicles. No new story content has come out in a long time.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:58:00 -
[1969]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 25/06/2011 05:04:05
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
But somehow, hats will fix that.
That's what VALVe thought too, when they started selling hats, and flags, and robot gestures, and what not, for Portal 2. Folks were a bit disgruntled; but at least VALVe had the common sense to sell 'em for ca. $5 a pop, instead of a whopping $70 -- another sign of how much CCP has lost contact with reality. Greed will do that for you.
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:59:00 -
[1970]
Originally by: Tethys Atreides
I'm not suggesting they don't care. On the contrary, I beleive we are all here because we share a deep attachment to this game. The problem comes when it is turned into a battle of egos. Then you see what we did today with Hilmar digging his heels in despite the obvious flow of events and opinions. All I'm saying is that calling someone a **** does not further the discussion...
You're spot on.
They do care. But there are some really HUGE egos in CCP. They think their way is best and obviously must be the most fun and enjoyable game ever, and anything else that's even remotely mainstream sucks. Dust was a huge example of that.
They'll keep their MTs, and find some new idea to throw resources at before becoming bored and trying something else to jack up numbers in a 6 month period. That's all their dev cycle allows for. =P
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Auric Aurumfinger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:59:00 -
[1971]
So, according to your logic, there should be a couple pants in this world worth more than a fleet o jumbo jets.
Sorry, but your logic is out of touch with reality and your arrogance is disappointing. What a shame, sir. You lost a perfect opportunity to address this and choose the troll rant path. Aurum is Gold in Latin EVE Online Gold Shop - Welcome to the Future |
Samroski
Games Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:00:00 -
[1972]
CCP - you have totally lost touch with your player base. This blog is like a slap on our faces. Maybe you should have attempted to read what they players were saying before this dribble, which just adds fuel to fire.
A sad day no doubt. I am un-subbing 7 of my 8 accounts. Do not bother replying (you are not even reading this), as that will likely prompt me to totally leave Eve, which is a game I love, and thought I'd play till I die.
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daint666
Minmatar WEPRA CORP White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:01:00 -
[1973]
Shut the hell up Zulu this is a game not real life. I dont care about your jeans and i dont care about your monocles.
All i care is that some kid isnt getting Aurum issue Hurricanes.
Now stuff your ****ty dev blog back down your smug mouth.
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:01:00 -
[1974]
Originally by: Algathas
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
Every other MMO has CONTENT. Story. Plot. Writing. We don't have much of that in EVE. We have chronicles (on a website) and a bunch of broken tools. Every 6 months its a new "feature" and then they move onto something different. There's no long term focus or strategy. This is another "lets throw this at the wall and see if it sticks" push. And its by far the most insulting yet.
Except that they stopped writing chronicles. No new story content has come out in a long time.
Funny that.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:02:00 -
[1975]
Accusations of being arrogant, smug, or out of touch are quite rich in the context of the posts in which they appear. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Julian Kirov
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:08:00 -
[1976]
One of the things that really bugged me from the newsletter this all started from was the whole comparing Eve to golf and wanting people to spend $3000 a year on this ****. I mean, what the ****.
It's not even surprising either, with how much they were pushing the "Eve is real" and "Eve is forever" lines during fanfest. They genuinely believe their product is that good.
They must have some quality kool-aid to cover up what a buggy unfinished mess this game has always been.
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timmus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:08:00 -
[1977]
been playing eve since 03. i hope we all can move past this. eve is my lover. lol
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Tichu Tilyon
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:12:00 -
[1978]
ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:18:00 -
[1979]
When you buy a monocle does it have a survey box?
a) I bought this as a joke with my now worthless isk. b) I bought this awesome thing cause I like golf.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
zapthemrocks
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:21:00 -
[1980]
Dear CCP: Please hire a real economist, who has the brain not to talk about $1,000 pair of jeans, compare 0Æs and 1Æs to real life prices, and thinks itÆs a good idea to tell your customers they are wrong for not wanting to pay $1,000 for junk jeans.
You spit in our faces, and steal from our pocket books. Just to fund your freak side shows: Dust 514, World of Darkens, and Ancillary. If you are having a cash flow issues cut back on your side shows. Eve Online is what made you, and it will be what allows you to branch out. If you really need the money, license and sell Carbon if it really is your property like you claim, and not rented from a china company.
For years you have promised us Incarna, and how great things were going to be. It is nothing more than a Trojan Horse into our world for you to set up cash shops and insult us. I donÆt believe you when you say that these cash shop items will not impact game play, they already have. I know how companies and investors think. As soon as players get use to the idea of a cash shop, you will start adding: boosters, implants, ammo, ships, space stations, bpoÆs, with no end in sight. I know this day would come when you first allowed plexÆs to be bought and sold with ISK. It would have been one thing if from day one Eve Online had cash shops, plexÆs and people bought ISk a legal way. However, that is not the game you created. Those are not the players you have attracted. If players wanted to play a free to play game they would not be playing Eve Online. If players wanted to pay for extra content they would not be playing Eve Online. I donÆt know who had the great idea to be selling item B in a market of item A buyers. I can only hope the lesions you learn will not cost you everything.
Blizzard use to be an ok company; until, they turned anything they touched into a giant cash cow. Moooo insert more dollar bills to keep playing. Why should we make a game and sell it as one set, when we can break it into three parts and sell them each for $59.99. ThatÆs three times the profit! You have already gone down this path by adding in cash shop, making plexÆs tradable, and exploiting currency exchange rates.
I am sickened by your greed. Those that forget who made them are destroyed by the same hand. I should have jumped ship when I found out you shook hands with the devil Sony. At the end of the day I am nothing more than a customer and I vote will my wallet. CCGAMES YOU NO LONGER HAVE MY VOTE.
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PMolkenthin
Dark Chapter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:23:00 -
[1981]
I hope someone hurry's up and release a new internet spaceship game, so I can jump off this sinking ship. What a ****ing **** way to treat your loyal subscribers CCP.
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Thodol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:23:00 -
[1982]
CCP absolutely MUST suffer from some form of mental handicap. There is no other explanation for just how dim witted that blog is. CCP destroyed their name in a 48hr period of time, impressive.
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Anakin Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:24:00 -
[1983]
Got up to go to work, read blog with my coffee.
Day ruined now. Zulu's blog is the most pointless, worthless piece of crap I have had the misfortune to read this year and I my job I get to read loads of drivel
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mocrt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:25:00 -
[1984]
Originally by: Sakaane Eionell
The thing is, CCP had an opportunity with this devblog to set the record straight regarding what was actually decided regarding MT. If the newsletter was just internal debate that may or may not have preceded the public promise to restrict MT to vanity items, fine. But it is not hard to say so. There are 26 letters in the English alphabet. All you had to type was:
"We would like to confirm our stance that MT will remain restricted to vanity items. The directions proposed in the newsletter were abandoned."
or
"Despite what we said earlier, we decided to revisit the topic of non-vanity MT items. So sorry, we lied, but it is our prerogative to change our minds."
See how easy it is?
THIS! ^^ +10
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Algathas
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:25:00 -
[1985]
Joseph Gallo: June 2009 û Present (2 years 1 month) "As CFO of CCP Games, Joe oversees the financial positioning and reporting of CCP. He is also responsible for the strategic initiatives of the Company and relations with its investors."
His previous work history: "Managing Director, Investment Banking Citigroup
Public Company; C; Financial Services industry
1994 û 2008 (14 years) "
Lets see what his performance at his past job resulted in: Citigroup
"Citigroup suffered huge losses during the global financial crisis of 2008 and was rescued in November 2008 in a massive stimulus package by the U.S. government."
As we can see, things really started sliding around the time this guy came around. Looking at his previous work history, its no wonder that EVE is in the state it's in.
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I worked to help build a company IRL which was eventually sold to a publicly traded company. I ended up in a management position right below the C level people in this company.
Before we sold to them, our ideals were to build a great company and it would speak for itself, causing the money to come in and our clients to love us.
After we were merged with the publicly traded company the company ended up running flat. The "C" level people were more interested in how they could spin buzz words to investors than making a great company. They would open more offices not because they were needed, but because investors like seeing a bunch of offices nationwide as a showing of their presence, even if we could do the same performance from a single office.
In the end, I left my six figure salaried plus bonus position at the company because I knew I could not fight the mentality of spin the C level management was putting out. 2 years later the company became another Enronesque scandal and imploded into nonexistance.
This same spin is what we see here in CCP. Suddenly Gallo and others take over in upper management, and they brings around investors. They don't play the game. Their job is to spin to investors reasons to invest. Rich investors like words like "Microtransactions" or even fancier ones like "Virtual Goods Sales". The FOTM money making idea. Of course the lower grunts that develop and do play the game won't all share this mentality, so they either leave or are pushed to believe it by documents like "Fearless".
EVE is no longer the game we signed up for long ago. It is being twisted as a tool to raise share prices and get investment dollars for their other games. Whether that is successful for CCP remains to be seen. Perhaps they will get lucky and attract more new customers than the old ones they shed. The problem is, until those mythical new customers are actually signed up and paying, then all they are is mere projections, not reality. The current player base is real income in hand.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:27:00 -
[1986]
Best vid on the matter:
CCP after Incarna deployment
So incredibly applicable!
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Kal Aith
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:27:00 -
[1987]
Originally by: boeboe joe Don't know if I'm the first to say this but here it goes, thank you CCP Zulu. I also want to give a much needed and overdue thanks to CCP Pann and CCP Fallout for being on the frontlines of this whole thing and dealing with/tanking the trolls.
I really do have a better understanding of what the company newsletter was all about. If I did understand it correctly it's more of a brainstorm on big ideas currently in the industry, for employees to go back and forth to develop those ideas that could be used to enhance EVE/CCP. "The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."-Zulu
As far as the NEX market goes, personally I won't be paying (I lol's at my puns) any attention to those things unless, someone happens to put one of those on market for less than 10 mil isk, that would probably be my limit. Therefore, "NEX market combat group of vanity items completely miss boeboe joe, doing 0.0 damage to his wallet, yay!"
A good feature to have on the NEX market too would be to display the original price beside those item(s) on sale, like 900 AUR then 1,200 AUR in strikethrough. But I digress, that is a another topic for another thread. Again I cannot thank you all enough for explaining this in further detail, and from mature players everywhere I would like to say I'm sorry for the crap you all have had to deal with. Now go make us some moar CQ's!
agreed, hate that we can't have a nice discussion right now :(
can't wait for the dust to settle around here. CCP - serious question: any idea when we'll see missile launcher animations? Very nice work on the blasters etc!!
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Sax Delphinus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:29:00 -
[1988]
I've been in this game for less than a week and this happens. 40 FPS drop in your damn station. A bunch of overpriced vanity crap when you could be making, oh I don't know, SHIPS for your STARSHIP game. A company policy of funding all your games by gouging your customers for necessary items. Spokesman who can only speak in the most political, condescending, and arrogant tones. And now there's this email with one of your top guys just saying to ignore any complaints from your PAYING customers, cause hey, you bastards know better than us? Awesome job at creating a New Gamer Experience.
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Jules Asner
Van Diemen's Demise Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:30:00 -
[1989]
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Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd. Tamanium
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:30:00 -
[1990]
Goodness, Zulu, that is some mealy-mouthed claptrap.
What on earth was going through your mind when you added
Quote: - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous -
?
Now, the whole æto clarifyÆ thing: it would be easy to take the cheap view (easy to say, æAh, poor Zulu, itÆs late, heÆs busy, heÆs a developer / programmer, not a speaker, mistakes happen.Æ) but itÆs been happening a lot recently with various CCPs, and I have to say itÆs looking more to me like policy:
Send out plan A, see if we get away with it. If not, we can æclarifyÆ. If æclarificationÆ fails, we can ære-clarifyÆ later.
Seriously, you canÆt all be that bad at saying what you want to say, can you?
As a PS, I think you should have a pre-blog for all of your blogs,
æThis blog is going to be awesome!
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:32:00 -
[1991]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 05:34:32
Originally by: zapthemrocks Dear CCP: Please hire a real economist
They did. (not economist, banker) His job was to analyse every mechanic in Eve and see how it could be squeezed for money.
Likely the genius who decided they could remove features then add them again for MT.
Joseph Gallo - Chief Financial Officer
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-gallo/20/726/64b
edit: haha poignant name if he's the voice that poisoned Hilmars brain and hung CCP
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
George Wilkes Hill
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:34:00 -
[1992]
Originally by: Anakin Pubcrawler Got up to go to work, read blog with my coffee.
Day ruined now. Zulu's blog is the most pointless, worthless piece of crap I have had the misfortune to read this year and I my job I get to read loads of drivel
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Sasuke Rukh
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:36:00 -
[1993]
Funny thing. If I wanted to spend real life money, I'd spend it on real life things. That's the point of a game.
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Kraxalious
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:42:00 -
[1994]
What CCP employees have to say
"Fun game play is not a priority, promises made to investors and aesthetics are. æIf it looks good then it is goodÆ is an often heard motto. CCP is committed to use technology in EVE as well as WoD and DUST, so certain features are made and used in EVE knowing they will not be fun, nor fit EVE and no one expects them to be appreciated by the playerbase. Alienating the playerbase of EVE further. Objections from employees who point this out are waved away.
CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itÆs cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees.
Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago."
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Delta Jax
NixCraft IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:49:00 -
[1995]
Originally by: CCP ZULU While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and sh!tstorm being pointed at them.
first.. no one really cares about the AUR/monocles prices, yea they are high so what, but it's the other stuff your talking about selling with AUR that has us raging.. seriously get off you soapbox about that
Oh.. so.. you want to play the corporate game, well at my corporation, fortune 500 company where I'm a high level admin, You regard all communications, statements, as if they were addressed to and read by the general public.
This is communications 101 here.. this stuff, even if it was just opinions, is nuclear material, and should never.. never ever be put in a newsletter to stimulate employees creative thinking. I'm not even going to touch on that your ceo sent out an all corp email with moar said nuclear material...
For those not so corporate inclined, or don't know how the politics work in this setting, this wasn't a newsletter, it was to convince other employees to slowly accept this corporate vision and direction.
Don't get p!ssed at us because we caught you with your hand in the cookie jar.. i've already canceled all my accounts, you still have some time before they run out to convince me to resub
And stop with the covering up/back peddle I work at a financial company, if you even attempted some of the stuff you tried there.. you would have auditors/regulators foaming at the mouth.
Integrity, Honesty, are better corp value than "fearless"
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Nova Lux
Gallente TalCorp Enterprises TalCorp United Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:50:00 -
[1996]
CCP...
*shakes head*
I've bought in advance so there's some time until I need to make the decision whether to resub or not.
My biggest worry is that it *seems* that the direction CCP wants to take EVE to the point where you're buying power *directly* from CCP.
Seemingly knowingly ignoring the direct question of MT for non-vanity items isn't helping.
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Daftny Litchinova
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:55:00 -
[1997]
The walk in station was something I wanted to see for ages and it finaly came out. Even tought it is well done, it introduce what's for me the biggest mistake CCP have ever done; introducing MT
IMO, even if it would be for virtual crap, my view on that is that it should be bought with isk as any other eve online items. Your argument (buying a faction ship and not going PvP with it doesnt stand) So to be honest, even if this Newsletter is hypothetical, I don't care AT ALL.
What matters here, is the whole community spoke loud and clear:
WE DON'T WANT AURUM : REMOVE IT
So what I'm waiting for is:
"We here you out there, we appologize, in a following patch, we will remove Aurum and refund people who bought them."
just as simple as that.
this is clearly a dark time for eve. it is time to show to your customers that you care, that you wanna keep'em.
And most importantly, that you listen to them.
I really hope you will make the good (and only) decision.
(by wanting too much, you end up loosing it all)
*If you like my sig and want one, PM with a brief description of what you would like! |
Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:56:00 -
[1998]
Remarkable display of being disconnected from reality.
You might be fearless, but I am speechless.
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StarVenn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:57:00 -
[1999]
Incarna: The moment when it became clear that CCP had indeed found a huge stash of their own ingame drugs. (Morpheus to Neo: "Blue or red pill?" CCP to Capsuleers: "Assume the position, I'm gonna give ya both.")
If I wanted to pay real money to enhance my standing for a game I'd go play Facebook's Mafia Wars. At least there's no sub cost. EVE is a serious gamers investment, not a buy-1-get-1 free. When you change the rules of the underlying investment then it's time to look for a better way to use your money.
Hey, here's an idea. Why not make MTs avaliable only on the test server? Truly something for nothing.
A gaze into the future of EVE... Some guy with uber skills is posting in 0.0 local... "Hey, where can I find veldspar? How many miners can I fit on this battleship?"
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USnameri
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:58:00 -
[2000]
CCP Zulu a suggestion H.T.F.U. and give the player base a straight answer.
Specifically are you going to sell stuff LIKE STANDINGS that effect my spaceship game?
I can ignore your WOD proof of concept and the worthless dress up stuff otherwise.
I've cancelled my subscription until you figure out that the people you are responsible to are your customers.
Good Luck, your going to need it.
Now where do I download that Tank demo?
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Pon Teyuen
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:58:00 -
[2001]
This was a severely misguided devblog post, and goes to the exact observation I had in the other massive thread: that at some point, an internal culture has taken hold at CCP that views subscribers as commodities, and has turned away from any sense of respect for their existing customers.
In the internal newsletter -- which everyone knew was a 'debate' -- it is straight-out said that what is being proposed, should it be implemented, should be hidden because they'd burn him at the stake. This is direct acknowledgement both that what is being proposed isn't good for subscribers and further the strategy is to lie about it. Likewise, why are you debating (I might note only one voice in the whole newsletter was against) actively bait-and-switching your customers and breaking a direct promise then trying to hide it?
Does that say "excellence" to you?
And then this devblog -- which supposedly addresses the issue -- is nothing more than a defensive, hostile dismissal of concerns in the most condescending, smug way possible. Again, doing nothing to dispel the perception of where CCP is heading.
I can't tell you how many times I held up CCP as an example of the little company that could, who succeeded and grew year after year far after other of its game contemporaries went into decline, through a commitment to thinking differently and being innovative.
Love the potential of CQ/WiS (though give options), like the turrets, agent finder is great.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:59:00 -
[2002]
Originally by: Nova Lux CCP...
*shakes head*
I've bought in advance so there's some time until I need to make the decision whether to resub or not.
My biggest worry is that it *seems* that the direction CCP wants to take EVE to the point where you're buying power *directly* from CCP.
Seemingly knowingly ignoring the direct question of MT for non-vanity items isn't helping.
If you bought in advance you can still play if you unsub, but the unsub sends a message. So grow a pair please.
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Garwain Goodhue
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:00:00 -
[2003]
Damn it. I paid for two months already. Here's my action that Zulu, in his leaked email, prefers to see rather then read my words. Sub CANCELED.
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Van Flegg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:04:00 -
[2004]
CCP, This Dev Blog is disgraceful and disrespectful to the playerbase.
There isn't misunderstanding from us here. Most of us already knew the employees were spitballing. That wasn't the point. It's that these ideas in the Newsletter could ever legitemately be considered is the issue. This is not the direction the playerbase wants. It's that key figures within CCP think these ideas are even worth considering is deeply worrying.
And let me be clear; I'm not one to "carry a pitchfork" and ask for job loss of employees of any company, but I really don't want these out of touch people having any kind of influence in Eve Online's future.
A Micro Trasaction Store (on top of a premium priced subscription model!) is not what the player base wants. Stop trying to tell us what we want and start promising what we REALLY want. If you still don't know what we want after hundreds of pages in various topics (after just 24 hours!!!), God help you CCP, for you really are sitting with your heads in the sand.
It took nearly 24 hours for this short blog to be written. And it's the worst case of poor damage control I've seen yet. Our confidence hasn't been restored. Nothing was answered.
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EadTaes
Minmatar d o o m
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:05:00 -
[2005]
PIXELS. That's all they are really and making any comparative to real life is bull****. Honestly all micro-transactions items I have ever came across have never been worth except for 2 items. Everything else has always been junk and this junk is by far the most over priced JUNK EVER!!!
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mercury glitter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 -
[2006]
Clearly the Jews in Europe have made a come back since 45.
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KrakennPSA
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 -
[2007]
Guys, your call is your call re your marketing processes. If some player wants to pay for a cool hair do in Eve my view is fool on him but it is his call.
The issue for me is that I pay you for an experience and a period of time on your platform for which I enjoy the company of like minded people in Eve. Where you have pised me off is that you have interferred in my gaming experience and that quiet enjoyment I had through the platform.
While the regulatory world has not caught up with the gaming world I would say that a risk assessment for you would be monopolistic and anticompetitve behaviours but that is for someone other than I to look at.
You are on the edge of watching a fall of Rome event and your corporate and customer service skills will now decide how you step forward from this point.
I just want to play the game with my mates I dont want to be rooted along the way or people that play will revolt and leave an we all dont want that.
I sincerely hope you have the fortitude and resilience to work through this and remember what made your company and the exceptionally gifterd techniciainas that created this game for us all
I wish you the very best in this endeavour.
Now please answer my petitions so I can get back on Eve FFS!
KrakennPSA
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Huan CK
Gallente Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:11:00 -
[2008]
I'll try to keep this constructive, although this dev-blog is really pathetic, and anything but an insult!!!
EVE Online has always been and still is all about its community! It's a sandbox game, where you can pretty much do what you want and try to find your own way. There's soo many ways to play. An industrial side, an economic side, a social and politicial side, and a good focus on combat. No matter in which part of EVE you engage, you're always being measured by other players and their actions. Each action, no matter how small, has an influence on the overall game!
EVE Online is all about the fact that player actions are meaningfull and game changing!
With your latest behaviour, your latest expansion and the recent newsletter leak you do exactly do two things: 1) Ignore community concerns, wishes, hopes and fears. 2) Going into a direction that's game changes will mess with the way that player-ACTIONS impact the game.
If you look at my highlighted parts above, you'll see that the two things is all about are currently threatened by your actions and visions. This is why the playerbase revolts! This is why you're losing subscriptions currently! If you don't start to realize this, then I can promise you the downfall of EVE-Online. And since this is your flagship game, probably the downfall of your company! You need to realize that we are your costumers, the ones that pay for your daily bread, saussage, sauerkraut and rotten sharks, or whatever you guys do or don't eat
In this dev blog, you adress non of the main concerns of the playerbase. Of course there is some other issues we're having with the latest release, but those are by far not as pressing! You'd have done a WAY BETTER JOB if you had adressed our MAIN CONCERNS first, and then gotten to the other, less pressing, less concerning topics! Like the pricing of NEx Stuff. Paying as much RL money for a virtual item as for a real one is really broken, no matter how you twist it! By saying "take it as it is" and ignoring our oppinion and your costumers is not going to make it any better of you. It just strengthens our feelings about you and how you do not care for us anymore!
Also, when you have players revolting because of the general direction your game and your company is going, words from some underlings (with all due respect, Zulu and Manifest, with all due respect!!) will not help! A statement from the management, yes, even the CEO is needed!
About each action is meaningful and how micropayment transactions are threating the game balance: Yes, there is games out there with item shops. And no, none of them charge a monthly sub fee (at least none I know of!). I have played free games with item shops before. You HAVE to get stuff from the item store to enjoy the full game and engage in the most relevant actions and areas of interest. --> This "payment method" looks like its a free game, but has "hidden fees". A subscription fee is more transparent and yields the same amount of money! The playerbase knows this and has little respect for such companies! There's also always one phenomenon associated with item shops: As soon as there's items in the shop that others cannot get access to, there's always an --> imbalance. This results that in each of those games you see a small group of players on top that just get there because they pay more than the average player. Now, imagine this "phenomenon" in a game like EVE, where each oh so small action has an impact on the rest of the game! This will break your sandbox, your game! This is the downfall of your company!
Therefore, addressing MT and its future should be your utmost concern, nothing else! ---------
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:14:00 -
[2009]
A little late to the party but w/e...
Just read the devblog and, wow, any player without any inside knowledge or decision-making competency could probably have written a better one.
None of the concerns are addressed adequately.
(a) Seriously, how out of touch can you be to start rambling about 1,000$ designer jeans? Is that the audience you are aiming at?
3,000$/year golf players with Japanese designer jeans?
I thought Zinfandels "you wouldn't want to put cheap stuff into your eyes" comments were just lolRP but it seems the company in general has lost the ability to distinguish between RL and in-game values.
(b) There was one yellow question we wanted an answer for.
We want some certainty on the strategic future of EVE, we want an answer that we can rely on at least for the next 24 months.
CCP Pann ignored our questions, CCP Zulu evades our questions - when will Hilmar stand up and give us insight on the strategic direction CCP is headed towards?
.... because we are not just some summer***s, we are planning for years and investing a lot of time, love and money into this game. You have created a wonderful game that heavily rewards and depends on long-term planning from the side of the players - I don't think I have a character with an EVEMon plan <1 year at the moment - but in return for investing years to do what in other games can be done within 1-2 weeks of grinding we need some planning dependability. How hard is that to understand?
Explain to us your reasoning and plans or you leave us no choice but to assume the worst.
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420Siren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:14:00 -
[2010]
CCP, you are in denial.
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KrakennPSA
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:20:00 -
[2011]
Well said Huan.
I don't think they are going to make it by the look of this shytstorm and curent philosophy. I will give them one week though so hang in there and see if they listen. I have two accounts all cash paying if they cant pull it together in a week I am screeming for the refund register before it all goes to crap.
Kraks
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Huan CK
Gallente Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:21:00 -
[2012]
Regarding Soundwave:
As you can see in my last post, MT is not the way to go. Soundwave is a lead game designer! His words do mean actions, yes! His words are game changing, yes! And his words will have a huge impact on many's opinion within your company!
Having a person in such a position that has completely opposite thoughts about the future than your costumers will lead to a direction the game is taking that will separate you from your community!
I do not say fire him, or burn him for his opinion. I'm glad he has one. Everyone should have one! But if you see that one of your top guys has a vision fatal for your company and your own future, you should rethink his "position" within the company. Yes, keep him. Yes, let him have input in the future. But release him from his current position and replace him with someone that moves closer to the visions of your costumers! The costumers need to be your focus! CCP Soundwaves focus is not the costumer, but the money-machine!
Yes, everyone needs to earn money! Yes, we all do. Even you, back there And yes, we enjoy paying for a game we love to play. Yes, we do love to support you. This is a one-of-a-kind game! You deserve getting payed for your game's visions. But hell no, we do not take kindly being only money machines and nothing more! No, we're not milk cows! And yes, we will go and take our money elsewhere if you don't appreciate the money you're already getting! Yes, we will go, if you don't turn your focus back on US!
Therefore: Yes, you need a change at your top management level!
Chuck Norris knows that micropayment transactions are a bad thing! ---------
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Maziy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:21:00 -
[2013]
CCP, this spite for your 'vision' on where Eve is headed is not shared by the gamebase minority.
It is shared with the MAJORITY of MMO players, ESPECIALLY Eve players.
Smoke crack much?
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Nagasaki Warrior
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:26:00 -
[2014]
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Mail Order Bride
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:27:00 -
[2015]
Originally by: Nagasaki Warrior
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Kara Liselle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:27:00 -
[2016]
This is so funny. CCP's 2008 April Fools Joke
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Zargyl
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:33:00 -
[2017]
ad pricing structure:
I am sorry, but your arguments are flawed. While there are RL jeans that might cost more than those virtual "jeans" you are offering, you will first have to show us RL trousers that have the prize tag of a RL battleship!
You have not been always quick to mention that CQ and that NEX shop are there to provide a stronger/more immersive experience and you have been talking that you see New Eden as an universe of its own. And that NEX shop with its prizes therefore doesn't stand alone! It is both connected to your universe of New Eden as well as to the RL market. Therefore especially for those you have been aiming this at can and will make these connections. That is why the NEX shop is connected to the economy of New Eden and that is why you will see comparisons between these two. And if you compare New Eden prizes for goods which all have a value attached to them in the minds of players who will make connections between these your prizes are utterly absurd.
Some RL people might have $1 000 jeans but no person alive has and will ever have a jeans worth a battleship (e.g. like this one for $ 100 million in its time). So please do take back your argument CCP Zulu.
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Logesh Sinulf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:33:00 -
[2018]
still no answer to
are you going past vanity items srsly?
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:34:00 -
[2019]
I have been off for a bit, cause i need some sleep tbh. But what the **** is this blog supposed to be?
NONE of our concerns are beeing considered. You plan on bringing even MORE EXPENSIVE vanity items into the store. How ****ing out of touch can you be? Are you seriously just waiting for this ****storm to calm down to just carry on with the plan? NO mention of non vanity items in the store. Grand job there, truly. If ccp knows one thing, then its how to calm the community down... not.
I will tell you this right now, as a very calm, collected person. If my sub wasnt extended by plex for the next 50 days i would be SO GONE.
How much more can you screw up? This is bloody self destructive, moronic to boot even.
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Teddy Hess
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:36:00 -
[2020]
Zulu - Please excuse the Diatribe however I must point out that I read Fearlessand your Blog is an insult to the intelligence of your current customer base. It is apparent to me that you assume the customers that put CCP on the map are nothing more than nubile pre-teen icelandic twits who have no means of support other than the monthly allowance mom and dad provide or the cash obtained from selling lemonaid after school on the corner. It is my experience that your Current EVE player is highly educated, intelligent and most if not all of us have careers with corporations where the annual revenue would dwarf CCP or in some cases would dwarf the GDP of Iceland (in the alternative those who do not fit that definition in the professional world are at least highly educated this is said in defernece and in honor of the players who have not embarked on thier careers). In my corporation (which does not dwarf the GDP of Iceland) but does dwarf the annual revenue of CCP - which I am proudly the President of - when we ask our employees to provide us with marketing ideas on our products it is not "exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points" but is a realistic vision of how our product should evolve. Zulu - this "****storm" is directed at you and not your corporate underlings. I will admit EVE is the intellectual property of CCP and with that ownership you have the right to evolve your product as you see fit. But as a consumer we have the right to voice our disdain and distaste at the envisioned and planned future of a product we purchase. Remember that you will lose your consumers that have supported CCP from the backyard Garage to the Corporate ladder where you currently reside. Be prepared for that backlash for it appears it is strong and purposeful. The Consumers have opined and the Microtransactions discussed in the corporate memorandum should not be tolerated when it comes to game play. If all you are selling is a leather jacket to match an Avatar - then go forward and make profit. I pitty the parents of the individual who actually purchases it. Your response was an affront to my intellect and my business acumen and was nothing more than a failed attempt at Crisis Response in reaction to the leak of a document that was not to be the per-vue of the public forum. Yes you will lose some of your consumer base, yes we will be replaced, yes CCP will make money so you can buy your $1,000 jeans from the Japanese Boutique (by the way you probably look real good in them too). However realize that it is my opinion that you are doing nothing but taking a product that was unique and in all rights excellent and making it cheap. I have a better idea - just team up with ATARI and allow Microtransactions to be purchased in the ATARI C-Store (Like Star Trek Online does). That way your new client base can use the same tokens and alternate between EVE and STO. Just a thought there. Essentially what I am saying is that your response although well directed was a Public Relations failure and the backlash has insulted those of us who can read between the lines. Your statement about Incarna being beautifull - well that is the opinion of the creator - not the consumer. Again I wish you the best in your corporate career but my disdain at the path EVE is taking is in line with the majority of your consumer. However if you want to make the Capitains Quarters better - sell a jar of Vaseline and a subscription to streaming **** (which can be purchased in the NeX store) to be displayed on the screens in front of the couch - because frankly that is about all the new quarters are worth.
Teddy Hess Director USMCB
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:39:00 -
[2021]
I wonder if the thing you learn about community management by watching Jurassic Park is to just ignore the raptors...
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Lamthara Lachesis
Amarr NeoCorteX Industry Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:40:00 -
[2022]
we ask you why the prices are so high and you say you're going to introduce items with even higher aurum prices... we tell you we're sceptic about the whole NeX project and you reply we're passionate... we got nothing but a bunch of meaningless words
I'm more than astonished... a week ago i thought CCP was a serious company but your reputation is falling down so much soon you'll need to ask the devs to stop writing code and start digging.
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Ilmunel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:44:00 -
[2023]
Originally by: Nagasaki Warrior
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
NO MT, you may fear not, but one of my 3 accs alreary unpaid, and im in fear about my beloved game, am worry about this world, it will be destoyed with power mt items, sadly my main acc already paid for a year, can i have my money back?, im quit eve if there will be no trustfull denial obout power mt items
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George Wilkes Hill
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:45:00 -
[2024]
Originally by: Nagasaki Warrior
Originally by: Hithalu
Originally by: Jimmy Duce
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Tian Oni
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:46:00 -
[2025]
ITT:
How CCP plans to make Eve pay for one game none of us can play. And another about people whom sparkle.
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Rheum Rhabarbarium
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:49:00 -
[2026]
So - this really grinds my gears... I guess I'll throw a few of my thoughts out there, and hope things get fixed.
One: Paying prices similar to PHYSICAL GOODS for VIRTUAL GOODS that depend on a SUBSCRIPTION for you to own, and have no resale value makes no sense what so ever. I know you've seen how popular the Valve TF2 store is, but this game does not ask for subscription - that is a HUGE difference. Even the most exclusive, high demand items are less than 10 dollars - this is the price point you should be looking at. The more common stuff are less than a dollar. For $50 or so, you can have every single item they add on the latest update. You are also trying to justify the high costs with 'brand names' and 'exclusivity'... but, they're not brands, they're just s*** you made up, and they're only exclusive because you're charging OUTRAGEOUS amounts of money for them! (Two carriers for a monocle, anyone? ...wtf, srsly?)
One-And-A-Half: Make it a priority to make content the ENTIRE playerbase can enjoy (even if it costs us money), not just the ~100 people who got monocled. Think about the exclusive stuff afterwards. You also need to realize that the majority of people who play EVE work in IT, or don't work, and buy their plain black t-shirts for five bucks at the local wal-mart. We do not spend $3000 a year on golf clubs.
Two: With asking for a subscription fee, AND asking for money with micro-transactions you are creating a conflict of interest in developing the core game and developing content you can charge additional money for. How you're going to solve this is up to you, but the large portion of the playerbase is savvy enough to realize if we're being scammed - it's one of those things you learn with EVE...
Three: What about the condescending attitude in the newsletter? We are not just sheep with wallets. A long time ago, I felt like CCP was in touch with the playerbase, and with the game... but right now it feels like you have no idea what your playerbase wants, or what your game really is like. You are making bad decisions that go further and further in alienating your core audience, and that is what will kill this game.
My advice?
Spin on a ****ing dime, refund NeX purchases, let the people keep their stuff (they earned it by going on a limb here and thinking this might work) and re-think this thing over when you've got a fair catalog of items, at reasonable prices. Backpedal like your life depends on it. Apologize for the condescending attitude you've taken ("You're just mad because you don't understand - here, let us EXPLAIN how AWESOME it is for us to have MORE MONEY!"), and make an effort to show people that CCP isn't all about the money, and actually wants to deliver a good game for loyal subscribers, despite pushing a moneygrubbing expansion on us, which actually disrupted a lot of people's core gameplay. Seriously, you figure this one out, I have no idea how you're gonna talk yourself out of this one.
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Arellan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:49:00 -
[2027]
The people who raised the ****storm were just being fearless, too. I kind of like having this stuff in the game, though. Anyone wearing a $70 monacle is advertising that he's an easy target for scams.
Now, if you started selling fishnet tops, I might start getting interested.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:52:00 -
[2028]
So, CCP won't listen, Hilmar said so clearly in his Mail.
They will basically do everything that is in the fearless newsletter, thats pretty much clear by now.
So...nothing left to do, my subs will run out, end of story.
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R2 D3
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:54:00 -
[2029]
CCP you do realise that 52 monocles in 2 days is not so much....?
Also in the dev blog the question is answered regarding what the idea behind the rmt part is. HOWEVER most of us players where already aware that you can rmt a monocle and some boots for your char, what we wanted to know is how this will develop (or better said get out of eve) and why cq isn't optional. Both questions aren't really getting answered as of yet. Tbh no question is answered besides a needless explanation of what the store contains and is selling, something we are all aware of.
As a last word I want to remind you of eve voice. When eve voice where costing 5 euro's a month extra or something nobody used it. At a certain point you made it free. How come there is some believe those aur things will have more succes.
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Jon Whayne
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:55:00 -
[2030]
This DEV-Blog doenst answeres the essential questions which have been asked multiple times. You still think its about prices of damn vanity items - thats a big LOL on that part.
Probably I havent found the right post of the right DEV, - but what about the future of eve, of microtransactions? - What a bout making this wall-looking thingie optional and give us a switch to get out of our beloved ship - if we want so?
There are several more questions not being asked. But hey - in my terms - you haven't understood a thing.
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Carmoisine Bavaire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:56:00 -
[2031]
Im a bit pussled at what ppl are complaining about .... Is it that he monockle is too expensive ? Is it that you can buy it with real money ? Is it that someone spent valueable devtime making it and not doing something more worthy ? I see some arguements about not liking ppl that buy items with Real life cash, but to be honest, you can perfectly well do that today. Some Killboards are actually putting the $, ú and Ç prices below the ISK value of the loss. You can get a fully fitted Titan for less than 200 plex, A BS for 1 plex, Faction / deadspace fitted Marauder for like 6 Plex, and a Monockle for 4 ... Whats the problem ?
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:56:00 -
[2032]
Originally by: Astralglide I do think that CCP nailed it on the head in their original leaked email
Originally by: Hilmar Petursson Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
If the players make use of the shop, then CCP is going to keep doing it. Seriously, how many people are they really going to lose? (And remember, nobody thinks as highly of your monthly contributions as you do) If they lose 1% of their players but have 20% use the shop, they make out in spades.
Precisely. I'm glad to see someone thinking. _______________________________________________ æI can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Æ ù Hilmar Petursson |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:58:00 -
[2033]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:01:18
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire Im a bit pussled at what ppl are complaining about .... Is it that he monockle is too expensive ? Is it that you can buy it with real money ? Is it that someone spent valueable devtime making it and not doing something more worthy ? I see some arguements about not liking ppl that buy items with Real life cash, but to be honest, you can perfectly well do that today. Some Killboards are actually putting the $, ú and Ç prices below the ISK value of the loss. You can get a fully fitted Titan for less than 200 plex, A BS for 1 plex, Faction / deadspace fitted Marauder for like 6 Plex, and a Monockle for 4 ... Whats the problem ?
The CEO of CCPGames just told the players to go **** themselves "I'm getting new players!"
edit: Actually he didn't even have the courage to say it to our faces. Someone had to gather up the info.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:58:00 -
[2034]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 25/06/2011 07:01:23
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire Im a bit pussled at what ppl are complaining about .... Is it that he monockle is too expensive ? Is it that you can buy it with real money ? Is it that someone spent valueable devtime making it and not doing something more worthy ? I see some arguements about not liking ppl that buy items with Real life cash, but to be honest, you can perfectly well do that today. Some Killboards are actually putting the $, ú and Ç prices below the ISK value of the loss. You can get a fully fitted Titan for less than 200 plex, A BS for 1 plex, Faction / deadspace fitted Marauder for like 6 Plex, and a Monockle for 4 ... Whats the problem ?
player-driven economy vs MT store
CCP spent the last few years reducing the impact of NPC buy and sell orders on the economy - now they're rolling this back.
And the ability to buy a Titan for 200 PLEX is different from CCP reducing the number of ship fittings I can store in the client to 50 only to sell me an upgrade for AUR later on...
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:02:00 -
[2035]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 25/06/2011 07:04:16 Have you ever wondered why this company is called Crowd Control Productions?
Because they corral people where they want. And we are not conforming to their strict rules any more.
You just don't know that yet.
You have been chosen to be Opted Out. They don't want you any longer.
The new playerbase in their plans are rich Apple Store prepubescents and the related $99 license a year Apple Store programmers.
We have been phased out
We have been chosen for extinction
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Carmoisine Bavaire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:05:00 -
[2036]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
player-driven economy vs MT store
And the ability to buy a Titan for 200 PLEX is different from CCP reducing the number of ship fittings I can store in the client to 50 only to sell me an upgrade for AUR later on...
??? Do you want to be able to make and market your own clothes, is that it ? Are you a clothes designer / chineese child labour profitter and want to make ISK from it too ? And you have confirmation that you can spent AUR on buying room to store aditional fittings ?
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:05:00 -
[2037]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein ..... CCP reducing the number of ship fittings I can store in the client to 50 only to sell me an upgrade for AUR later on...
"we're almost at the point where we can charge them for features we've already deployed!"
This is where I stopped laughing in the Hilter video.
I knew for sure something was up when matar tattoos went away, but when you hear it expressed like that.....
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:06:00 -
[2038]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Hey CCP Zulu,
nice try at avoiding the main issue/concern(IMO anyways).
The main issue/concern (IMO) is whether or not MT will be anything other than vanity baubles. Looking at the 230 page thread in General, and the 70+ pages here..... Game Mechanic changing MT is probably the main issue/concern occupying the majority of your playerbase (you know....the folks paying to play this wonderful game).
So, for me at least, there is no debate. There is no discussion. There is ONLY a Yes/No question to be answered.
Will MT EVER be used to buy game mechanic/game enhancing Items via any type of Virtual Goods Store (NeX)?
Yes or No.
Your response will determine whether I decide to resub or not.
PS. Just in case you haven't seen this yet.
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Captain Mung
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:06:00 -
[2039]
Hahahahah I read that blog expecting maybe some kind of decent response, but instead I read: "We understand you don't like it, but **** you, deal with it". And for some odd reason the morons running the show think it's STILL a good idea to keep going down this road. Eve is really going down the ****ter.
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Nuramori
Amarr Drama Llamas
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:06:00 -
[2040]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Have you ever wondered why this company is called Crowd Control Productions?
Because they corral people where they want. And we are not conforming to their strict rules any more.
You just don't know that yet.
You have been chosen to be Opted Out. They don't want you any longer.
The new playerbase in their plans are rich Apple Store prepubescents and the related $99 license a year Apple Store programmers.
We have been phased out
We have been chosen for exinction
Completely wrong. The Mac client is so bad it doesn't even run. CCP laughs at Mac owners and cares even less about that portion of the user base than the main population of golden geese.
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Lidia Prince
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:07:00 -
[2041]
I'm glad that Zulu hasn't made any excuses, because there should be none from CCP, only from EVE's panicking over nothing, as always, community. You're rioting in Jita, ****storm and flood forums and ask for CCP's apologies? ****ing hypocrites. Hurry up and die, losers.
Though I'm kinda sad over prices, the fact that they're final. Ugh, bye-bye that awesome military uniform for women from one of concepts on Incarna mni-site. Maybe someday, when I'll be EVE-rich.
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:07:00 -
[2042]
R.I.P Eve
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Ayari
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:07:00 -
[2043]
It's a sad truth that these days, when a company is publicly traded, the focus moves onto the investor. CCP has to show it's investors that the value of the company will increase, so the investor is assured they will see some return.
These investors don't play EVE and they don't get EVE. They can sell their shares at any time, they have no commitment to the game we play, and sadly CCP are now legally beholden to them.
I'd like to ask CCP please, don't kill the game I love, the game that has been a part of my life for five years.
However, I understand you might now be powerless to stop it. To CCP employees that are now starting to be less proud of who you work for, I know how you feel. It seems more and more companies are going this way, juicy prey for Investment Bankers.
--------- Commander CAIN Conga Squadron CAIN Home |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:08:00 -
[2044]
Originally by: Captain Mung Hahahahah I read that blog expecting maybe some kind of decent response, but instead I read: "We understand you don't like it, but **** you, deal with it". And for some odd reason the morons running the show think it's STILL a good idea to keep going down this road. Eve is really going down the ****ter.
Wait till you get to Hilmar's email.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Olivor
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:09:00 -
[2045]
This was the absolute final straw after nearly four years, my other accounts desubbed and this account running on PLEX at which time it runs out I have absolutely no intention, at all, of renewing it.
This devblog is utterly insulting to any player. To miss the point so spectacularly, to offer no apologies for this god awful mess and make parallels between some graphics in a game and real life clothing is disgusting.
**** you, **** your product and **** your company.
CCP / EVE has been going in the wrong direction since ~18 months~ and has made no attempts to U-turn. I sincerely hope that EVE dies horribly, DUST is the mediocre FPS it is shaping up to be and WoD is a massive heap of ****e. I'm sure some of you are nice people and all... but i look forward to you all being unemployed.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:10:00 -
[2046]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 07:13:50
Originally by: Olivor This devblog is utterly insulting to any player. To miss the point so spectacularly, to offer no apologies for this god awful mess and make parallels between some graphics in a game and real life clothing is disgusting.
How are so many people missing the point of this analogy so completely? _______________________________________________ æI can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Æ ù Hilmar Petursson |
Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:10:00 -
[2047]
Originally by: Olivor This was the absolute final straw after nearly four years, my other accounts desubbed and this account running on PLEX at which time it runs out I have absolutely no intention, at all, of renewing it.
This devblog is utterly insulting to any player. To miss the point so spectacularly, to offer no apologies for this god awful mess and make parallels between some graphics in a game and real life clothing is disgusting.
**** you, **** your product and **** your company.
CCP / EVE has been going in the wrong direction since ~18 months~ and has made no attempts to U-turn. I sincerely hope that EVE dies horribly, DUST is the mediocre FPS it is shaping up to be and WoD is a massive heap of ****e. I'm sure some of you are nice people and all... but i look forward to you all being unemployed.
This. And fast.
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Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. |
Jules Asner
Van Diemen's Demise Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:13:00 -
[2048]
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Dalton Vanadis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:14:00 -
[2049]
At this point, I think my message will be lost in the 70+ pages of others. But I'll give it a go regardless.
CCP has been, easily, my favorite company on this planet. For the time I've played EVE they have always seemed up front and caring to customers, they always seemed to give a **** about the customer and by extension, this would bring them steady, good business.
I won't lie, a lot of things in the last few days have really irked me. Maybe not to the point of unsubbing, but damn close. All I can say is, this is the first time I've seen video game players RIOT. This is the first time I've seen thousands of players unite in under 24 hours to send a company messages of displeasure. I'm pretty sure CCP has gotten more forum responses in 24 hours than most US congressional representatives get in a month. I would think that this would prompt the company to listen.
See, if I don't think about Hilmar's email, or Zulu's rude, stuck-up, and arrogant as hell devblog, or the internal discussion on a topic I thought was closed, or even the absolute misunderstanding of the stated meaning of *micro,* I start to calm down and go to my normal state of, "perhaps they just screwed something up and it'll be fixed in a day or two."
But then I think about the absolute contempt of the player base in Hilmar's email, or the arrogance of Zulu's dev blog, or the money-sucking opinions of a propagandist internal newsletter (lets call a spade a spade here), or the complete disconnect with reality on the NeX. And really, the only shining beacon left to me is Pann's amazingly well-mannered olive branch (thank you!) and the amazing work that people like Soundwave have done (again, thank you! BFF made Soundwave my most favorite dev evah). It's hard to cling to those small gems when it seems like the higher ups are completely disconnected with reality.
Essentially, the players have given you an easy out, take it, all they want is information about a game that many pay for a YEAR in advance, that many have dedicated YEARS of their lives to. Manage expectations, be honest and forthcoming, you will solve a lot of this. Hopefully the player reaction shows you that doing this sooner rather than later is in your best interests.
Please, please, I love the potential WiS offers, you enchanted me at fanfest, you've shown you are committed to player requests, please don't let something as ******edly stupid as definitively answering one question derail you as a company. As Pann said, you have long since passed the expiration date on our patience, the farther you go away from it, the more it's going to sour. I don't know what you've got roiling internally right now, but you best get it sorted.
So to end: I like EVE, ima little ****ed, I have good memories new and old, most devs I like (there are a few that I may not have glowing opinions of, but I'll keep that opinion to myself and my corpmates), It's hard not to get ****ed at the material out there now, I'm still excited for the future of EVE, but you really do need to hop on the full-disclosure bandwagon (or at least some variant that you were on earlier), and I really hope this turns out for the better and that we can all go back to happiness, puppies, and rainbows.
But seriously, you guys suck at PR lately, you've been doing way more damage control than is normal, you should be structured so damage control never need occur because you are that in tune with your customers, the products they buy and want (actually say they want, this is NOT a no means yes situation).
Just my long ass two cents, hopefully you'll take a little time and notice it.
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Spyra Gryra
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:15:00 -
[2050]
I'm not upset, I'm disappointed.
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PsyBlade
Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:15:00 -
[2051]
not sure if it has been posted yet here, but read this
Quote: ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
how ****ing far from reality are you that you cannot and are going to refuse to listen to your customer base saying this is the moment to be proud?
this is in fact CCP has just shot themselves through the head and are now on IC to try and remain alive. ---
"Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War |
Carmoisine Bavaire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:15:00 -
[2052]
Originally by: Olivor This was the absolute final straw after nearly four years, my other accounts desubbed and this account running on PLEX at which time it runs out I have absolutely no intention, at all, of renewing it.
4 years and you havent found a Corp yet ? Man, I hope you found out how to load skills...
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:17:00 -
[2053]
Since IÆm not the type (read: not a fool) to buy MT stuff in the first place, my only concern with it is that it of course is always just for vanity items. My concern over your pricing strategy is that itÆs making CCP and Eve look bad to the larger gaming community. Using your analogy of designer clothes the simple truth of the matter is that the quality of what is currently being offered is like selling Walmart quality for a designer price and thatÆs always going to lead to ridicule.
My main concern over Incarna and I hope you plan to change it at some point is how we are foisted to always use the CQ. ItÆs understandable that youÆd want to start off a new player in CQ when they first log on, and that you want to test your hardware by having as many people using it as possible at first. However once thatÆs done it should be obvious that it hampers the smooth flow of gameplay more than it helps it to go through all that rigmarole just to do the quick simple things that so often happen while docked. It should also hopefully be obvious that you wouldnÆt want to be paying for all the hardware usage on your end of all the people who are in CQ but not actually using it for any gameplay purpose that requires it. Also once there is something to do in Incarna people wonÆt want your servers wasting resources on people that are just avatar spinning while theyÆre trying to do actual Incarna things. The obvious and easy solution is Dock->Hangar->Incarna->Hangar/or straight Undock. Sometimes youÆll want to get out of your ship and play around with your avatar, and other times you just want to do some quick nothing. Having to achieve that via a graphics menu option with it always on/off isnÆt a good way to go about it.
My other concern about Incarna is that I really hope you arenÆt planning on doing any big marketing push until Incarna is ready for mass consumption. If you do a push now you will get a lot of new trials, and an awful lot of people that donÆt sub up due to the æwhatÆs the pointÆ nature of just having a CQ. Quite a few of those people wonÆt ever come back for a second look, and youÆve just lost out on a lot of potential customers.
All the nerdrage aside your customers are generally very loyal and want Eve to be the biggest and best-est game there is and they fear for the future (with cause imo.)
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:17:00 -
[2054]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 07:18:46
Originally by: PsyBlade how ****ing far from reality are you that you cannot and are going to refuse to listen to your customer base saying this is the moment to be proud?
It's referencing you, basically. _______________________________________________ æI can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Æ ù Hilmar Petursson |
Desigre
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:18:00 -
[2055]
Just read that hilmar email leaked, thats it for me.
After my accounts run out of time, im not renewing them.
Shame to loose access to this unique game, but if current direction continues, its not unique too long.
After 2.5 years of playing best game in the world, it has come down to this. Walk with your wallet, becouse game company dosent listen to voice of reason, but are in love with theyr own grand vision...
And for bean counters, thats 4 accounts payed by cash. Have a good luck, your going to need it just to survive.
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TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:21:00 -
[2056]
"If I wanted to pay money for each of my internet bullets I might as well buy real bullets and put them in real people."
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:21:00 -
[2057]
FOR ALL THOSE STILL WONDERING HOW FAR MT WILL GO:
For all of you who keep asking the question: Are non-vanity items in CCP's plans to come to Eve MT? The reason that they are NOT answering you directly is that they HAVE already answered all of us directly in the confirmed authentic leaked Newsletter. We just weren't supposed to SEE it.
The author is speaking directly about Eve, and I quote DIRECTLY from page 9:
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."
If you don't believe me, go read it for yourself.
They are NOT talking hypothetically. They are NOT discussing different options that might come to Eve. Do NOT believe all the Dev lies saying that they are.
They are talking about FACT in the Newsletter. They are talking about what is COMING to Eve VERY SOON (without the TM).
And, when we all complained about it, we were told by the Senior Producer and the CEO themselves to: STFU and GTFO. Oh, and I forgot we got a healthy dose of "How DARE you ungrateful scum question us your Lords and Masters?!?!?"
So yeah, CCP has VERY much answered the question about how far MT is going. Just read a little for yourself, you'll see.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:22:00 -
[2058]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 07:26:17
Originally by: Desigre Walk with your wallet, becouse game company dosent listen to voice of reason, but are in love with theyr own grand vision...
That's what game design is. Design what you want and hope it works. That's the passion. It's not for you. It's for the game.
Designing something not because you believe in it, but because some backseat designers think they know better, is quite a bizarre thing to expect.
æVoice of reasonÆ indeed. Have read this thread? Good grief. Telling CCP what you like and don't (and why), and indeed, walking with your wallet, is one thing, but the bulk of the feedback is just asinine. _______________________________________________ æI can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Æ ù Hilmar Petursson |
Coronolus
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:23:00 -
[2059]
Hm, any chance we could finally get a response to "Will you include non-vanity items for MT?".
I don't mind ship skins or fluffy clothes, but I would hate to see "golden ammo", "improved Raven Mk II" or (worse!!!) additional ship fitting slots for real money.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:27:00 -
[2060]
Originally by: Coronolus Hm, any chance we could finally get a response to "Will you include non-vanity items for MT?".
I don't mind ship skins or fluffy clothes, but I would hate to see "golden ammo", "improved Raven Mk II" or (worse!!!) additional ship fitting slots for real money.
As stated in my post a couple up from yours, this already HAS been answered. Do the research for yourself if you don't believe me.
Cheers mate.
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Kronossan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:27:00 -
[2061]
This almost made my cry before I went to bed last night. The Hilmar internal mail I just read really did make me cry :/ _________________
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PsyBlade
Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:29:00 -
[2062]
Originally by: Kronossan This almost made my cry before I went to bed last night. The Hilmar internal mail I just read really did make me cry :/
can you point to us where the bad man has touched you? ---
"Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War |
mercury glitter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:30:00 -
[2063]
Japanese jeans?????? Are u serious??????? I cant beleive I pay this ****sticks wage.
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:30:00 -
[2064]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 25/06/2011 07:31:43
Originally by: Coronolus "golden ammo", "improved Raven Mk II"
that's still a long time down the line
If I were CCP my first unique ship BPC sold in the NeX would be the Tornado, possibly even in limited quantity.
That's much less controversial than a direct upgrade to an existing ship and they know that some of their customers have been waiting for that ship a long time now.
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Troy LS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:30:00 -
[2065]
boycott sony till they drop Dust?
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:33:00 -
[2066]
Originally by: Troy LS boycott sony till they drop Dust?
I think you should totally boycott the local catering service CCP uses until it stops supplying CCP.
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:34:00 -
[2067]
Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 25/06/2011 07:35:28
This blog would be funny if it weren't sad. Well, at least it's all clear now and we know where this game is heading. They made a decision so I made one too.
R.I.P. EVE
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Khandara Seraphim
Amarr StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:37:00 -
[2068]
We went from the most amazing, unique experience in the history of gaming to a laggy, glitchy, bug-ridden mess... and now they're planning to give a leg up to whoever pays them the most.
How did we get here? How?
I dreamed a dream that was Eve. And now that dream is dead. ___________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:38:00 -
[2069]
This devblog is pointless and as predicted held all the elements of a "**** you and calm the **** down" You'd been better off saying nothing.
Discussion? Really, why does it go into detailed explanations how to implement in systems in Dust and WoD and Eve after the discussion?
Brands? Really, well have fun with you 1000 dollar jeans, perhaps paris hilton might by a few. (maybe you think you are edgy and daring launching stuff like that but, sadly, you are mistaken)
****storm? No kidding, I am done here. ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:41:00 -
[2070]
Originally by: PsyBlade
Quote: ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
how ****ing far from reality are you that you cannot and are going to refuse to listen to your customer base saying this is the moment to be proud?
this is in fact CCP has just shot themselves through the head and are now on IC to try and remain alive.
If this is true they have gone crazy. I'll be "doing" not saying from now on. ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Van Flegg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:42:00 -
[2071]
Unsubbed. It's clear by that e-mail certain bigwigs in CCP aren't even bothering to listen to us. The only thing Hilmar is intrested in is increase/decrease in revenue. Money is the only voice he hears in terms of wether something is a success or failure in Eve. Player out-cry doesn't matter - after all, we always protest change, right?
So there it is, 1 more unsub. I just became a miniscule negative stat in CCP's future financial report. That's the most attention I'm ever going to recieve by CCP if I want to get my point across. How ****ing pathetic is that?
What really annoys me is it's obvious not everyone in CCP is on the same wave length. There are still some (maybe even most) employees who likely do care about what we think. These employees need to start making their voices heard. Leaking these documents to the public isn't enough when the public's reaction obviously means nothing to your bosses.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:43:00 -
[2072]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:46:32
Originally by: Ciar Meara
--snip Hilmars email--
If this is true they have gone crazy. I'll be "doing" not saying from now on.
Confirmed by CCP Navigator. Internal CCP communication thread lock.
edit: bah too long
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:43:00 -
[2073]
NO worries as soon as CCP ****s eve players for ever dollar, and in process turns the game to ****. You can be sure the DUST and WOD will fail without the eve teet to feed on.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:45:00 -
[2074]
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim We went from the most amazing, unique experience in the history of gaming to a laggy, glitchy, bug-ridden mess... and now they're planning to give a leg up to whoever pays them the most.
How did we get here? How?
I dreamed a dream that was Eve. And now that dream is dead.
With the time-based skill-training, how hasn't it always been that way? _______________________________________________ æI can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Æ ù Hilmar Petursson |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:45:00 -
[2075]
CCP Zulu is a pretty good dude, and no bull**** coming from his mouth, at least I trust him.
I think he believes the stuff he said, and it is not unreasonable stuff too.
But it is missing completely the point!
It is not about NEX prices or something like that.
It is about broken promises, lost trust and no faith into CCP any more. It is about the future of EVE and where it is heading.
None of these concerns were adressed and that is a shame. I guess actions speak louder than words.
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dunnhill
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:47:00 -
[2076]
lack of communication is really hurting the community :(
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:47:00 -
[2077]
Originally by: Dalton Vanadis At this point, I think my message will be lost in the 70+ pages of others. But I'll give it a go regardless.
CCP has been, easily, my favorite company on this planet. For the time I've played EVE they have always seemed up front and caring to customers, they always seemed to give a **** about the customer and by extension, this would bring them steady, good business.
I won't lie, a lot of things in the last few days have really irked me. Maybe not to the point of unsubbing, but damn close. All I can say is, this is the first time I've seen video game players RIOT. This is the first time I've seen thousands of players unite in under 24 hours to send a company messages of displeasure. I'm pretty sure CCP has gotten more forum responses in 24 hours than most US congressional representatives get in a month. I would think that this would prompt the company to listen.
See, if I don't think about Hilmar's email, or Zulu's rude, stuck-up, and arrogant as hell devblog, or the internal discussion on a topic I thought was closed, or even the absolute misunderstanding of the stated meaning of *micro,* I start to calm down and go to my normal state of, "perhaps they just screwed something up and it'll be fixed in a day or two."
But then I think about the absolute contempt of the player base in Hilmar's email, or the arrogance of Zulu's dev blog, or the money-sucking opinions of a propagandist internal newsletter (lets call a spade a spade here), or the complete disconnect with reality on the NeX. And really, the only shining beacon left to me is Pann's amazingly well-mannered olive branch (thank you!) and the amazing work that people like Soundwave have done (again, thank you! BFF made Soundwave my most favorite dev evah). It's hard to cling to those small gems when it seems like the higher ups are completely disconnected with reality.
Essentially, the players have given you an easy out, take it, all they want is information about a game that many pay for a YEAR in advance, that many have dedicated YEARS of their lives to. Manage expectations, be honest and forthcoming, you will solve a lot of this. Hopefully the player reaction shows you that doing this sooner rather than later is in your best interests.
Please, please, I love the potential WiS offers, you enchanted me at fanfest, you've shown you are committed to player requests, please don't let something as ******edly stupid as definitively answering one question derail you as a company. As Pann said, you have long since passed the expiration date on our patience, the farther you go away from it, the more it's going to sour. I don't know what you've got roiling internally right now, but you best get it sorted.
So to end: I like EVE, ima little ****ed, I have good memories new and old, most devs I like (there are a few that I may not have glowing opinions of, but I'll keep that opinion to myself and my corpmates), It's hard not to get ****ed at the material out there now, I'm still excited for the future of EVE, but you really do need to hop on the full-disclosure bandwagon (or at least some variant that you were on earlier), and I really hope this turns out for the better and that we can all go back to happiness, puppies, and rainbows.
But seriously, you guys suck at PR lately, you've been doing way more damage control than is normal, you should be structured so damage control never need occur because you are that in tune with your customers, the products they buy and want (actually say they want, this is NOT a no means yes situation).
Just my long ass two cents, hopefully you'll take a little time and notice it.
There you go, good post has to be on more then one page. Many feel exactly the same.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:47:00 -
[2078]
The unfortunate thing is that CCP has gotten themselves into a bind with PLEX. By tying Real-Life money in with the game, you then put a Real Life value on something in a game that you could never get away with charging Real-Life dollars & cents for in the game. Like - you could never charge $35 for a T3 ship, yet that's what you can get when you buy a PLEX with RL money and sell it in Jita for 750mil ISK.
There is a difference though, attempting to charge the same rates for something that is untested. It's just a little ridiculous to me that they'd think MICRO-transactions means anything above $1USD.
I'm also confused why they didn't answer the questions raised by the Fearless newsletter regarding the future of RMT Microtransactions - specifically, "do you plan to introduce non-vanity items to the NeX?"
All in all it just shows poor judgement from a company we love. Releasing an expansion with a tiny amount of goods, at huge prices doesn't seem like a great way to garner love for the new expansion. I would've thought that releasing with a bunch of items that are cheap so many people purchase them - then release a few more at higher price points, finally a fully decked out CQ with stripper-pole and underwater aquarium with live DJ would finally cost players $80. Who wants a stupid monocle anyways?? It doesn't even look very cool...
I guess it just seems like a slap in the face to those of us looking forward to this expansion.
Moving forward:
1. What is your clear path forward regarding MICRO-transactions? 2. Will you keep the current prices, or are you going to lower them to more reasonable MICRO-transation levels? ($1 - $2) 3. Will these items be manufacturable so we can purchase blueprints from the store with AUR? 4. Can you make PI somehow necessary in the manufacture of such goods? 5. Can you put to rest any concern that you won't introduce "Skill Points for Purchase" through this store? 6. Can I haz your stuffs?
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:47:00 -
[2079]
Star Wars Galaxies Shutting Down
See CCP... MMO's do fail.
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Grey Griff
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:49:00 -
[2080]
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Give answers! Do it NOW!
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Trigz04
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:49:00 -
[2081]
I don't think the blog addressed the majority of people's concerns.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:50:00 -
[2082]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:51:05
Originally by: Sylthi FOR ALL THOSE STILL WONDERING HOW FAR MT WILL GO:
For all of you who keep asking the question: Are non-vanity items in CCP's plans to come to Eve MT? The reason that they are NOT answering you directly is that they HAVE already answered all of us directly in the confirmed authentic leaked Newsletter. We just weren't supposed to SEE it.
The author is speaking directly about Eve, and I quote DIRECTLY from page 9:
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."
If you don't believe me, go read it for yourself.
They are NOT talking hypothetically. They are NOT discussing different options that might come to Eve. Do NOT believe all the Dev lies saying that they are.
They are talking about FACT in the Newsletter. They are talking about what is COMING to Eve VERY SOON (without the TM).
And, when we all complained about it, we were told by the Senior Producer and the CEO themselves to: STFU and GTFO. Oh, and I forgot we got a healthy dose of "How DARE you ungrateful scum question us your Lords and Masters?!?!?"
So yeah, CCP has VERY much answered the question about how far MT is going. Just read a little for yourself, you'll see.
Just truth. like the Hilter video says "They shouldn't be ****ing surprised!! WoW did this 3 years ago!!". If you read/watch CCPs messages over the last 4 years you see it shift sharply 3 years ago then just get more into groupthink.
Originally by: Troy LS boycott sony till they drop Dust?
It is stillborn now regardless. They do have the backstory of Sansha kidnappings to provide DUST bots though for the 3 people playing (plan B).
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Matunaga
Minmatar Seetouristik und Soziales
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:51:00 -
[2083]
Originally by: PsyBlade not sure if it has been posted yet here, but read this
Quote: Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
Well... as long as players won through Incarna equals players lost to ccp all's well. Realize ccp has no attachment to you as a playerbase as you might feel attached to eve - their only concern is about revenue, that's what Hilmar stated quite clearly (52 Monocles sold... revenue... etc.).
So it all boils down to: don't rage, quit.
There's some hope in this email, though: it was leaked on purpose - as was this memorandum before. So, there is some kind of resistance inside ccp too. Iced beer to the heathen! |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:53:00 -
[2084]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:54:06
Originally by: Matunaga
There's some hope in this email, though: it was leaked on purpose - as was this memorandum before. So, there is some kind of resistance inside ccp too.
Frustrated cornered people at the end of their ropes.
edit: Which CCP will witchhunt for tomorrow, once again missing the point that they need to act, 3 days ago, :18months: ago, 3 years ago.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Korerin Mayul
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:54:00 -
[2085]
FYI guys, Hilmar's e-mail was a leak of a communication internally and probably to the shareholders as-well.
i have been involved in a few IRL big company failcascades (not my fault, honest) and the messaging in Hilmars comms is exactly what a CEO needs to say right now. Rest assured 'Fearless' is probably not a quality shared by most CCP-ers right now: We have ruined the weekends of a lot of people, some didnt deserve it, some did.
I awate a statment from the CSM, i hope it contains some profanity
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Mauya
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:54:00 -
[2086]
CCP you're betraying us, it results in we betray you for your monthly income.
- 2 accounts. Bye |
Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:54:00 -
[2087]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 07:54:46
Originally by: Van Flegg Unsubbed. It's clear by that e-mail certain bigwigs in CCP aren't even bothering to listen to us. The only thing Hilmar is intrested in is increase/decrease in revenue. Money is the only voice he hears in terms of wether something is a success or failure in Eve. Player out-cry doesn't matter - after all, we always protest change, right?
Well, no kidding revenue is the best measure. Why should it matter to them if they're getting an infinitesimal part of it from someone other than yourself?
Some people have an awfully high opinion of their subscriptions. _______________________________________________ æI can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Æ ù Hilmar Petursson |
Jim Lovell
Gallente Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:54:00 -
[2088]
You guys need to stop smacking the guys in CCP , omg every post is self opinionated self important i deserve everything how dare you instantly throwing **** at CCP , how dare you you have this game ONLY because of them stop whinin g that MT will ruin your prescious bloddy pvp i see it always any chance to attack and your all ALWAYS in there, jesus grow up you ungratful lot ..
CCP you rule
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:56:00 -
[2089]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar When developers listen to crapfests like this, terrible things happen. Hence exactly what Hilmar said. So by all means, let your subscriptions run out. You are not important. I am not important. EVE is legion, so to speak. CCP is ælisteningÆ to how the features work, not how scared people are of them.
It's the only reliable way to handle an MMO, especially with crowds possessed of an attitude like this one. What happens on the fora is next to worthless in comparison to how the matters discussed ultimately pan out in the game.
Simply:
results > rhetoric
Absolutely right.
Wasn't supposed to end this way.
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Ais Hellia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:58:00 -
[2090]
Edited by: Ais Hellia on 25/06/2011 07:58:18
Originally by: Jim Lovell you have this game ONLY because of them
and they have this game ONLY because of us
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Elayae
Gallente Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:59:00 -
[2091]
Please hire Tippia, Liang and Akita for they are in touch with the community and you are definitely out.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous -
Yes maybe everything went smoothly internally, but externally it is not so good. Half my corp has turned CQ off for not working properly or have video cards that are overheating or other things. You can guess that if half of the members of my corp have trouble running it, the other pilots of EVE would also have some difficulty.
It seems to me that CCP Pan and CCP Zulu have been used as pawns to address some concerns of the EVE community. Please let the person responsible have the guts to come forward and not hide behind his pawns, best would be the CEO himself. Let this person publicly denounce the fact that micro-transactions are not going beyond vanity items! Not addressing this important concern has fueled my fear that micro-transactions beyond vanity are also going to be implemented in Dust 514 and will influence EVE indirectly or worse directly. The internal letter is a dangerous step, for why do you want to speculate on it if it's a no no in the first place? Pilots will calm down when this issue is addressed.
I see no reason not to denounce the micro-transactions beyond vanity for EVE publicly, unless there is something going on that takes us there!
Please read the signs of the EVE community in this thread and answer them as quickly as possible. Also read what Tippia wrote and hire her. http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:01:00 -
[2092]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 08:05:32
Originally by: Ais Hellia Edited by: Ais Hellia on 25/06/2011 07:58:18
Originally by: Jim Lovell you have this game ONLY because of them
and they have this game ONLY because of us
Because they have customers, but there's no special reason those customers have to include you.
EVE is CCP's project, their vision. You/we just happen to have liked it. It really gets my goat when players of any game act like the developers are their employees. _______________________________________________ æI can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.Æ ù Hilmar Petursson |
Altan Mi
Academy of the Atomic Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:05:00 -
[2093]
Gamers don't understand much of how a company is run is appears. Time to /quit the drama and login and play the game which is exactly the same as last week, except with cooler turret effects (station environment /off).
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Diotima Saraki
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:07:00 -
[2094]
Originally by: Elayae Please let the person responsible have the guts to come forward and not hide behind his pawns, best would be the CEO himself. Let this person publicly denounce the fact that micro-transactions are not going beyond vanity items! Not addressing this important concern has fueled my fear that micro-transactions beyond vanity are also going to be implemented in Dust 514 and will influence EVE indirectly or worse directly.
CCP's CEO Hilmar has already spoken:
Quote: ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldn't be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
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jk scowling
Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:08:00 -
[2095]
"Zulu: The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."
Ok so the exaggerated stand of Anti MT is "It's ok as long as it's for vanity items"
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Ais Hellia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:08:00 -
[2096]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 08:03:49
Originally by: Ais Hellia Edited by: Ais Hellia on 25/06/2011 07:58:18
Originally by: Jim Lovell you have this game ONLY because of them
and they have this game ONLY because of us
Because they have customers, but there's no special reason those customers have to include you.
EVE is CCP's vision, their project. You/we just happen to have liked it. It really gets my goat when players of any game act like the developers are their employees.
ATM i can only wish them luck with a NEW playerbase they'r aiming at
they really deserve a place among such popular games like AoC and WAR with constantly increasing numbers of players oh wait...
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:08:00 -
[2097]
unsub, play with PLEX, there are PLEX stockpiles able to sustain whole eve population for few years on the market. Sub is CCPs direct safe steady profit. PLEX on the market is a liability, its profit they already spend on WOD dolls and DUST.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:10:00 -
[2098]
Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 25/06/2011 08:11:39 I guess in a way its admirable to stick by your guns
:lolcustomers:
Originally by: Rasz Lin unsub, play with PLEX, there are PLEX stockpiles able to sustain whole eve population for few years on the market. Sub is CCPs direct safe steady profit. PLEX on the market is a liability, its profit they already spend on WOD dolls and DUST.
That convinces them via lolmetrics (your account still being on and paid for) that its :::WURKING:: ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
jk scowling
Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:11:00 -
[2099]
Also didn't realise how awesome Incarna was, cheers for clearing that up Zulu, I'll stop whining now.
Zulu: "People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes."
Oh, ok, at least they won't try selling spaceships through the Nex store, don't think anyone who plays can afford billions of dollars
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Gydion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:13:00 -
[2100]
Stick to vanity items, be reasonable with the prices, dump the rest, player trust restored, problem solved, simple.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:15:00 -
[2101]
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 25/06/2011 08:20:44 Edited by: Zey Nadar on 25/06/2011 08:16:12
Originally by: Gnulpie
I think he believes the stuff he said, and it is not unreasonable stuff too.
Yes it is.
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
You cannot HONESTLY compare these items into real life clothing??! Virtual clothing that currently NOBODY ELSE CAN SEE?? Items that can be used ONLY IN ONE FRIKKING BOOTH INSTEAD OF THE GAMEWORLD which is the largest of all?? I have never witnessed a larger departure of common sense from MMO developer ever.
I do not like what you are using my subscription money for any more. I am losing faith that you are actually endeavouring to improve my game experience.
THIS IS NOT IT.
DO YOU PERSONALLY WALK AROUND IN 1000$ JEANS DO YOU??
PS. YOU COMPLETELY FAIL TO ANSWER THE MAIN QUESTION OF WHAT PEOPLE IN HERE HAVE ASKED: GOOD JOB COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE.
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:17:00 -
[2102]
The only thing that matters at the end of the day are subscriptions. Everything boils down to that. Any justification CCP makes regarding the game is ultimately decided by whether or not it results in more or less subscribers.
No one person is going to warrant attention if their accounts are canceled. And I would not doubt for a minute that CCP would not flinch until accounts really do run out (such as the unsubbed but active one I use here) and do not renew.
So if anyone here really is annoyed at the direction that the game is taking, then vote with your wallet, and be done with it. Find a different game to enjoy in the meantime. Do something new. Take up a hobby. But make a choice, and follow through with it.
No doubt many people here unsubbed but will wait and see what unfolds. Maybe they'll renew in a month and never go inactive. Hilmar is right in observing that forum rage is nothing new, and the expansion is still young. There's plenty of time for the anger to die down.
We've invested years of our lives here. I have memories and friends I've collected in 6 years of playing this game. I imagined leaving on better terms than this. Incursion broke the camel's back for me. This might do it for others.
We're all here posting, hoping for that dev post that says "you know, we were wrong, we're going to go back and fix this. I've been clammoring for it all night. I'm hoping I can find it fun to fly my main again some day. But it may not come.
So everyone keep in mind what you post here and the promises and threats you make. Because until all of us start to hit their bottom line, these posts mean little. But perhaps more importantly, let go. Regardless of whether this expansion succeeds and fails, our disappointment and anger is not predicated on everyone else being unhappy, but whether we are still unhappy as well. We play EVE for enjoyment. If it no longer fulfills that desire, then find something that does, and be done with it. Be happy.
Hopefully EVE will get back on track and become fun again. And here's hoping that if it doesn't, that we all find something else that is.
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:17:00 -
[2103]
It's absolutely epic how more than 5000 posts in a thread started by CCP, and thousands more in others, didn't manage to get the point across to the senior producer of EVE Online.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder [...]
A lot of your time must have been wasted indeed. Because that dev-blog doesn't address the community concerns. It just doesn't. At all. Period.
CCP Manifest even acknowledged he read the big yellow question, quoted it even:
WILL YOU INTRODUCE GAME ALTERING ITEMS IN THE "VANITY-STORE"?!
240 pages of uproar in that thread by now. CCP's reaction:
"Dear community,
**** you.
xoxo, CCP Zulu"
Well: **** you, too.
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Zurtur
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:19:00 -
[2104]
Originally by: Mynex
Originally by: boeses frettchen
Originally by: Klebzellok 1/10, this is BS.
And:
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Memphis Raines
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:19:00 -
[2105]
Originally by: jk scowling Also didn't realise how awesome Incarna was, cheers for clearing that up Zulu, I'll stop whining now.
Zulu: "People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes."
Oh, ok, at least they won't try selling spaceships through the Nex store, don't think anyone who plays can afford billions of dollars
It's awesome? I have a character standing in rusty box doing pretty much nothing right now. Not sure how that's awesome tbfh.
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Xeronn
Amarr Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:19:00 -
[2106]
Edited by: Xeronn on 25/06/2011 08:21:25 hahahaha
delusional ****s
they think they have a wow-lvl game when all they have is a bug-filled grind fast that has 1 redeeming quality : the sandbox nature , and it`s inhabited by a bunch of masochists who will put up withj the countless bugs , horrible pve and everything else just so they can troll/kill/destroy eachother freely
no...they wont draw any RMT fans here , not unless they rebuild the game from scratch
this game offers absolutelly nothing to wow-style players as it is now edit
i wonder how many of you , over they years , tried bringing friends in here and how many of you succeded . Oh well...thats what you get when you let economists and marketing dudes make decisions....
die in a fire ccp
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:21:00 -
[2107]
Edited by: Morar Santee on 25/06/2011 08:23:38
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Originally by: CCP Zulu
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop.
DO YOU PERSONALLY WALK AROUND IN 1000$ JEANS DO YOU??
He will if people buy his pixel jeans for Aurum.
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:21:00 -
[2108]
Edited by: Kalestia Barrak on 25/06/2011 08:21:33
Originally by: Xeronn
they think they have a wow-lvl game when all they have is a bug-filled grind fast that has 1 redeeming quality : the sandbox nature , and it`s inhabited by a bunch of masochists who will put up withj the countless bugs , horrible pve and everything else just so they can troll/kill/destroy eachother freely
I've been trying to say this in a more eloquent manner for some time, but I think yours is much better.
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:21:00 -
[2109]
CCP Email
Quote: ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
Oh, for ****s sake CCP, what are you doing to us?
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:23:00 -
[2110]
Originally by: Morar Santee
Originally by: CCP Fallout
It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder [...]
A lot of your time must have been wasted indeed. Because that dev-blog doesn't address the community concerns. It just doesn't. At all. Period.
I hope that means they are rethinking about it then.
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Karol Kei
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:25:00 -
[2111]
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
But perhaps more importantly, let go. Regardless of whether this expansion succeeds and fails, our disappointment and anger is not predicated on everyone else being unhappy, but whether we are still unhappy as well. We play EVE for enjoyment. If it no longer fulfills that desire, then find something that does, and be done with it. Be happy.
Hopefully EVE will get back on track and become fun again. And here's hoping that if it doesn't, that we all find something else that is.
There is wisdom in your post that I can relate to. I played for a little under eight years myself. I am part of an awesome community in Eve and I have made a lot of other friends as well.
Yet, after cancelling my accounts yesterday and now waking up today I feel liberated. 71,70 a month that I have been paying in a six month plan for all of my six accounts will buy me 1,5 games a month roughly. I hope to get to keep my community through TS3 and other games such as WoT that has just now completed installing.
After eight years since 17th of September 2003 I was angry when I cancelled, but I am not angry anymore. It is CCP's game, for better or worse. All I need to worry about is my own fun.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:25:00 -
[2112]
Originally by: Arrs Grazznic
Quote: ù Email Startsù- Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
It is not innovation we are against you dumb ****s!
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Inflicted Death
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:26:00 -
[2113]
Originally by: PsyBlade
Originally by: Kronossan This almost made my cry before I went to bed last night. The Hilmar internal mail I just read really did make me cry :/
can you point to us where the bad man has touched you?
For me it was the bit "...defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life...". For me that Just screams god complex.
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Tidanis
Autistic Sharks Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:27:00 -
[2114]
I've been inactive for several months now just sustaining my sub with isk while my characters rot away in station.
I started playing a little over 3 years ago and I hate to say it: I have no desire to come back here. It would be different if you guys were say making a single player game and you couldn't release content that would alter the game very often so you just do a little survey, do some models, roll the dice, and release what you think will sell well.
Well, this is Eve Online where many people come together and are a community to play in the sandbox. I think that management has abandoned Eve in light of Dust and WOD. That's fine as long as you don't depend on the income from Eve, because if so: you shot yourself in the foot. While Dust and WOD might be fantastic games, I will not be a cash cow for your projects while you abandon Eve and leave it to the bean counters to change.
The game was getting boring anyway, thanks for sealing the deal with your New Game Direction.
Needless to say, I don't look forward to your PAX west booth or after-party- heck consider selling your space because you might need to save some isk. Pretty sad when you come and say that you won't listen to your playerbase because the accountants, modelers, and projections indicate that you will do better off with your new direction.
While I am just 3 drops in a very large pool, I will not be renewing anytime soon. Call me once you release an Apocrypha release again. -------------------------------------------- Currently Training: Avoiding Homework, Level 4
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:28:00 -
[2115]
Basically, a big "**** you" hm?
Ok, you think you can't fail anymore? Your ego is through the roof?
Well...we will see, and don't expect us to whine about your failure!
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:29:00 -
[2116]
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 25/06/2011 08:11:39 I guess in a way its admirable to stick by your guns
:lolcustomers:
Originally by: Rasz Lin unsub, play with PLEX, there are PLEX stockpiles able to sustain whole eve population for few years on the market. Sub is CCPs direct safe steady profit. PLEX on the market is a liability, its profit they already spend on WOD dolls and DUST.
That convinces them via lolmetrics (your account still being on and paid for) that its :::WURKING::
I am talking about paying for PLEX with ISK. Using up PLEX stockpiles instead of generating new PLEX.
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Kalestia Barrak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:29:00 -
[2117]
Originally by: Karol Kei
After eight years since 17th of September 2003 I was angry when I cancelled, but I am not angry anymore. It is CCP's game, for better or worse. All I need to worry about is my own fun.
/salute
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V Issier
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:34:00 -
[2118]
After this dev blog, I will not be renewing my 2 accounts. Thanks a lot CCP.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:35:00 -
[2119]
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics ... The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
Originally by: Hilmar
We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Amazing how Fearless can both be a medium for communicating CCP's intentions to its workers whilst at the same time not being a reliable source of CCP's views. Now, there's a recipe for confusion. It's almost as if Zulu has deliberately focussed only on the two way discussion on pages 6 and 7 of the newsletter in order to claim that these are just peoples' opinions, whilst ignoring the article on pages 8-9 which explicitly sets out to explain how the strategy of virtual goods sales will unfold in Incarna to those who may be wondering how things will work in EVE.
Originally by: Fearless
CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. Whilst this model has always been intended for World of Darkness and Dust514, you may be wondering how this will work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new model unfold in Incarna?
The article then goes on to EXPLAIN how this will work, not to discuss, debate or consider the principles at stake (although there is some speculative discussion of the details). And the EXPLANATION includes items, ammo and ships that can be purchase with MT.
Quote:
In short, it's the same in Incarna as elsewhere.
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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:35:00 -
[2120]
Insulted. After all the loyalty we show, month after month.
Soon the logs truely wont show anything, because noone will be playing the game.... I like beer and cheese... |
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lilfleeb
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:37:00 -
[2121]
I'm here to voice my opinion, but as has been said actions speak louder than words.
I think CCP have made a big mistake. So big that i have unsubscribed all 3 of my accounts.
Thanks for listening
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PotH34d
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:38:00 -
[2122]
The real question here is:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?!!
I know what I'm going to do in case the answer is yes...
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Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:40:00 -
[2123]
EVE Online: Because Go **** Yourself |
Wilson Dixie
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:41:00 -
[2124]
I'm jealous of everyone in this thread. I wish I could complain about monocles and CQ design and CCP's crooked plans for MT. The update overheats my machine. I can't even play and I probably won't get my money back.
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Van Flegg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:41:00 -
[2125]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 25/06/2011 07:54:46
Originally by: Van Flegg Stuff
Well, no kidding revenue is the best measure. Why should it matter to them if they're getting an infinitesimal part of it from someone other than yourself?
Some people have an awfully high opinion of their subscriptions.
I don't disagree revenue is the best measure on gauging what customers want. But It can't be the only measure. And that's what Hilmar believes, and that's what I take issue with. According to his logic, any feedback we give other than "I'm not paying for this" is meaningless.
I don't think my subscription is that important to CCP at all, I conveyed as much in my original post.
Originally by: Van Flegg I just became a miniscule negative stat in CCP's future financial report. That's the most attention I'm ever going to recieve by CCP if I want to get my point across. How ****ing pathetic is that?
But me and others unsubbing still means infinitely more to CCP than anything else we say or do. I'll say it again, it's a ****ing pathetic truth of the situation.
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Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:42:00 -
[2126]
The logs show nothing... BUT "which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous" I loled how many hours was it delayed.... smooth? gorgeus?
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:43:00 -
[2127]
Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 25/06/2011 08:43:42 This allegedly LEAKED E-MAIL from the CEO of CCP only seems to discuss the prices set forth for the NeX RM store. I couldn't care less about the monocles. I won't be buying them.
Regardless, its not the reason people are angry and dissappointed. People want assurance that the NeX store will NEVER move beyond vanity (NON GAMEPLAY IMPACTING) items. That all it will be is a store for fluff.
As for the pricing on items. High prices in the real world are based around either:
CCP is trying to make a name for the NeX items, but it won't work.
- a rare limited stock product,
CCP is providing neither of those to its customers. The NeX items are infinite. Everyone in New Eden could have one and there would still be am unlimited supply.
extremely high quality products,
The quality of the MONOCLE eyepiece can't from a production point of view be worth more than 80 dollars (its a simple model with a simple shader and some sculpting on the characters face). It can be designed and produced in a few hours time. Yet CCP is asking the actual production cost of the item to everyone who wants to buy it.
- extremely rare materials,
Its a digital item, there are no rare materials involved.
Other games have tried to sell these kinds of items yes,
SECOND LIFE: However in this game items are made by the people that play the game, and they get real money back for it in return. This game is a virtual reality. In EVE CCP is the only company that actually produces these items, and the playerbase is completely different from the one in Second Life. In EVE players value the fact that they have worked hard, or that someone else worked hard to produce or provide a rare battleship, faction ammo, or their standings.
By selling these items from CCP, there is no community involvement anymore and the items would effect gameplay.
TEAM FORTRESS 2 & LEAGUE OF LEGENDS: These games offer a NON-PERSISTENT world in which 2 teams of identical characters go head to head. The only reason its worth while to buy these items is because of the meta-gaming. However Incarna does not supply this, and the EVE character creator already gives us a great amount of freedom to customize our characters. There is no incentive to buy any of these items, and god forbid they ever become more than vanity items, as the community would explode on you.
Incarna is a game that was launched with the WORST PR & COMMUNICATION ever. Deployment wise it might have gone well.
But there was no proper communication from CCP before or after its launch. People are having trouble running the Mandatory Captains Quarters / NeX items showcase.
If CCP does not come out soon and puts the player bases concerns to rest, this will all end in tears. LISTEN to your community CCP, they are the ones that made you to what you are today, If you lose their trust completely, you will never get it back.
Public opinion can be easily taken for granted but once tainted will never recover and drive you into the ground. Your subs will drop, and no 80 dollar monocles will save it! Act NOW, before it is too late.
Hyperforce, --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
Slave Nomore
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:45:00 -
[2128]
seriously I know Iceland is another country but I never realised it was on a different planet before now.
This really goes to show you are living in a different world to the rest of us, you have no understanding and seemingly no desire to understand, the issues here.
All the devblogs since the release have totally failed to address the concerns, failed to address the issues, and totally failed as any type of PR exercise to ease your customers lack of faith in you to deliver on your promises.
you are totally out of sync with reality
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Clara Kalsari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:46:00 -
[2129]
Quote: Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?
I understand its but... With $1,000 I don't buy one Aircraft Carrier with ten F-16, a Dreadnought or maybe Antonov An-225 Mriya...
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jk scowling
Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:48:00 -
[2130]
MT has no place in a subscription game.
DOn't force us to use Incarna, make us want to use Incarna.
Sub almost up, later people o/
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:49:00 -
[2131]
From evenews24.com
After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.
After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this ôleaked emailö, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.
The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the ôHilmarö writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as æfearlessÆ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.
We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didnÆt published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.
E-mail can be found HERE
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:50:00 -
[2132]
Here's the saddest part of the whole thing...at least for me...
I am CCP's perfect idea of a customer. I have 4-9 accounts active at any given point. When I heard about the vanity-item store, I was honestly curious and considering buying quite a few things just because I honestly do enjoy vanity things (I own numerous skins in League of Legends, just because I like it). I currently own the Eve boardgame, numerous Eve t-shirts, an Eve deck of playing cards (Why not?), I visited their booth whenever they were at Gencon, defended them, and have given them a -lot- of money over the years. Even though this doesn't actually help CCP out, I honestly have a custom T-shirt with the logo of "Internet spaceships is serious business!" in proud lettering. That's pretty damned sad, even I have to admit, and I love that shirt!
And I'm frustrated over all of this. I went from amused at the outcry, to steadily just as irritated. I saw the post from CCP Pann (apologies if misspelled...) promising a serious talk on this, and said "Hey, that's okay, cool". But Zulu did not deliver. And he can spin it by saying "Oh, that was just to answer a bit of it, I don't want to bog things down." But his final sentence is damning in that respect. That was supposed to be the end of the discussion.
"I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog."
It doesn't. It quite simply does not address a single one of our concerns. It doesn't clear up any issues. It basically says "This is how it is, deal with it." And you know what? That's okay. CCP does not want me as a customer, after years upon years of feeding them cash in numerous ways. I -am- the target audience for a MT business model, and I am not amused by this. They're blatantly saying they want to milk us for all the cash they can, and they expect us to stand back and let it happen. The leaked email reflects that quite nicely. I'm not going to rage, I'm not going to call anybody any names, I'm frustrated, but still more bemused and amazed then outright angry. CCP wants money, and expects this to work. And maybe it will. But not with me.
Five accounts unsubbed for the time being. Hope I feel the urge to re-activate, because I -really- love internet spaceships
P.S. Can't have my stuff, sorry. If my account time runs out and CCP stays this path, I'll leave it on my account just in case things change. Or give it to my corpies some day. Or something of that extent.
P.S.S Manifest, weren't you the fellow at GenCon last year at Cardhalla? I <3 you :D
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Halvus
Minmatar Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:52:00 -
[2133]
I love this game. I've played it for over 4 years and hope to continue for many more. One of the unique concepts of the game is that everything is built by the players. I (and many others it seems) are concerned that you plan to sell non vanity items in the Noble Exchange store. I think this would be a game breaker that would skew the economy.
Already we have Plex that can be bought with real cash and then sold for ISK, so we already have the ability to "buy" in-game items for real money. However, these items are player built and therefore the economy is protected because no new isk or items are spawned. I've always thought this was a neat idea and gave the RMT crowd a method of buying ISK that benefits CCP. Please don't confuse this with selling ships and faction standings in NeX.
Please limit store sales to vanity items. I'm sure plenty of people will buy ship skins and fancy shirts (if the price is right).
Yours respectfully, Halvus
PS: I can't be bothered to read 75+ pages of this thread so you'll need to make a new dev blog!
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:54:00 -
[2134]
CCP is playing with fire.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:54:00 -
[2135]
Originally by: Aesynil Here's the saddest part of the whole thing...at least for me... etc
While this is a good post and I agree with you completely
i just want to say that your avatar is fcking gorgeous ________________
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Oya Mando
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:55:00 -
[2136]
Egosoft's new X title is right around the corner,ok, it is no mmo, but at least it will sweeten my time.Bye new eden, i liked your community.
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:55:00 -
[2137]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Aesynil Here's the saddest part of the whole thing...at least for me... etc
While this is a good post and I agree with you completely
i just want to say that your avatar is fcking gorgeous
Thank you, I'll tell my fiance you said so, she made it for me :) We actually won an Eve beauty pageant with her <3
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:59:00 -
[2138]
Fail DevBlog is fail.
After all this rage CCP comes forward with a response that merely says: "Don't blame us for saying this stuff. That ain't fair!" ...and then goes on about Nex prices, which personally I really couldn't care less about and with me many of the old player that leave these days (I'm staying for now).
What a PR disaster.
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Lutz Major
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:01:00 -
[2139]
My god, you even made it worse
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Danalee
Minmatar Allmost Clueless
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:03:00 -
[2140]
Disgusted.
**** poor excuse of an explanationà And I really wanted to like you guys again. Guess it wonÆt happen anymore than?
Sad
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Jak Krankle
Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:05:00 -
[2141]
Paying to win is bull****. There's really nothing else that can be said about it. Don't allow us to pay for better ships and weapons. (Somebody mentioned +9 implants, I have to admit that sounds cool. REALLY expensive though.)
Paying to look good, despite everyone having access to the same limited articles of clothing, or ship skins, is perfectly fine. The prices are absolutely insane though.
My main accounts subscription is up on July 7th, between this, and my lack of desire to pay to wait, means I have no intention on spending another $35 for game time. I will continue training my alt so that if in the future you wisen up, I will have her where I want her and be able to return to the game that I actually enjoy.
We as a community have seriously overreacted, but we need you to know that this whole Aurum business, and especially this idea to implement pay-to-win, is complete and utter bull****.
Anyways, I know you people won't be reading this, but I felt I needed to put my word in. (But if you do can you make this walking around the room stuff voluntary for my last two weeks? I greatly prefer spinning my ship, and this static background sucks.)
--Jak
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Full Bird
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:06:00 -
[2142]
Fearless The Gordon Gekko Issue
What a stupid movie to emulate your new stratege on, there aren't enough facepalms on the web for you to use.
Guess CCP haven't seen the movie or they would know Bud, wearing a wire to help reduce his sentence, gets Gordon to incriminate himself.
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Ragnoroc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:07:00 -
[2143]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
To anyone still asking this question.
Is it not obvious by now that the answer is YES.
Zulu lied to us when he said it was an internal discusion document, lets face it, it was nothing more than mangement PR fluff TELLING the workforce, this is our new vision, this is our new direction, this is what we sold to the share holders!
As to the people who are complaining of egos on here they are much smaller than the egos and arrogance of the architects of this new direction. This comes from the very top of the company.
It is most likely they have already spunked the money from the float or VCs which ever funded this large expansion of what was a small company. They have not delivered anything substantive and they will not or maybe cannot go back to the investors for another round of funding.
The Eve we grew up with from 2003 is dead! They don't want the older players anymore, well maybe the did for a short while, until WoD or Dust hit the market as Eve is still the cash cow, but Eve in it's current form does not conform to the new vision!
The egos here are the upper management and knowing their background we know how big those egos really are!
Eve is DEAD!
Sad really after 8 years, but hey I have got over divorces, relationships, jobs. Get a life move on nothing left here to see but the sad demise of what was a great game.
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Xan Drakov
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:07:00 -
[2144]
Edited by: Xan Drakov on 25/06/2011 09:12:05 Is that it? Seriously? I really hope that was another attempt at CCP to "buy time while we try to sort things out"TM because, frankly, it should's like you've been at the bottle. Arrogance is poring out of every pore of that post. You've managed to completely miss the opportunity to cool the fires. Well done, good job.
"...we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum." - hilmar. Perhaps you guys really have been at the bottle.
I would offer so constructive criticism, but to be honest really doesn't look like your listening anymore. Monocle-gate rumbles on...
P.S. I really don't think CCP employees should be using words like "sh*tstorm" whether the actions of players warrant it or not. It is SERIOUSLY unprofessional.
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Sessym
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:07:00 -
[2145]
Edited by: Sessym on 25/06/2011 09:08:09 Dear People at CCP and whomever else it may concern.
Let me start off Hilmar's own words:
'God, what have created...'
You have created a universe. You have created a form of entertainment that has touched the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. The 'noise' you see now is not people telling you what you can't do. We know you have good reasons not to listen to that.
This time, in EVE's long history what you should hear is not the whines or cursing, but the pledge of thousands of people who are concerned that the thing that made their lives different and has given them so much happiness over the years will cease to exist.
They are begging you to consider and reconsider your course of action carefully.
After all that's been said and done, it boils down to them being forced out of their way in favor of others that they are not sure even exist. They are, in essence not concerned about themselves. There are a lot of places where they could go.
But where, dare as ask You will go when the choice comes back around and you begin to see how hollow what you have created with blood and tears becomes.
Sessym out.
0= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'So grab your guns.'
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:09:00 -
[2146]
The hubris and disconnect from the community oozes from every word of this Dev blog like puss and infection from a festering wound. I'm stunned that this is what was put out after the heartfelt apology from CCP Pann and a days worth of rage on the forums and across New Eden. Stunned...just, stunned. Truly a sad moment in Eve's history. ~Gnosis~ |
Renkari
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:10:00 -
[2147]
Edited by: Renkari on 25/06/2011 09:12:35 The æfearlessÆ. Quite a lot of words for saying ôwe havenÆt decided on anything yetö. I feel sorry for those people who took the flak because I feel it was completely misdirected, and this dev blog proves it.
The pricing. I keep wondering if the people who came up with this strategy and now with this explanation have actually fired up the eve client even once to see what those æprivileged possessionsÆ amount to.
For 90% of those who see your portrait at all that awesome monocle is 5x5 pixels on a tiny picture in local chat. You canÆt even see any details unless you directly inspect the character. ItÆs the same with jackets and t-shirt. And no one can see other clothes beside myself at all. And I personally donÆt even want to look at my characters inside the CQ because their faces are completely screwed by horrible lighting. That may have worked in a 3rd person MMO with stunning detailed graphics, but not in EVE of today. You say itÆs designed for the future when we can meet other characters in bars or something? Then why are you aggravating your community now?
And you compare this mess to real-world fashion? ThatÆs completely delusional!
My conclusion I keep thinking that the guys at CCP who actually read feedback and communicate with CSM have no influence over the overall design of the game, at least not in this case. And those who do have little understanding (or perhaps interest) of what is community thinking. This dev blog, although it explains the pricing, provides little in regards of quite simple questions the community have been asking. So, what was that poor guy assigned to read all those pages of feedback (read rage) for yesterday? All the questions were nicely aggregated at CSM representative blog BTW, thatÆs exactly what CSM is for.
PS. IÆm really sorry to see that picture of WoD MMO in the leaked pdf. ItÆs world of Darkness, brutal and unpretty, not some kind of emo kids fashion show you seem to take it for.
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Faaace
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:12:00 -
[2148]
Everyone put on your CCP branded rose-tinted glasses and take your CCP approved medication. Then you will see that everything... is... fine...
/zombie
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Jim Lovell
Gallente Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:13:00 -
[2149]
lol seriously what is wrong with you people a in station store for items ONLY for use inside the station and your all heartbrokenly communicating that after 7 years of dedicated loyalty this unspeakble crime against my eEgo i am ahving to i wont be renewing my sub ...pause for dramatic community change* i just dont understand why its so bad it ISNT stfu and stop worying over nothing you wont be able to buy a titan with a visa card ffs !
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:16:00 -
[2150]
"remember that we are talking about clothes"
No we are not, we are talking about couple crappy textures in a badly implemented resourcehog.
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Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:17:00 -
[2151]
I'm realy glad for such prices. Or make them HIGHER!!!
I hope that there will be no one idiot who will buy those items. And then i hope this ****y idea with donatable currency will die aswell. Remove microtransactions!
GIVE US CLOTHES FOR ISK ONLY!
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:19:00 -
[2152]
Originally by: Jim Lovell you wont be able to buy a titan with a visa card ffs !
You already can..
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Adrian Dixon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:20:00 -
[2153]
After reading Zulu's devblog and Hilmars email both utterly out of touch with reality and hold contempt for the communtiy. I will not renew my subscription when it runs out. Between now and then I will protest all day every day in the trade hubs.
CCP have stopped listening to the comunity and stopped leading the industry, they have lowered their standards by including Micro-transactions. "If every other developer is doing microtransactions cant cant CCP" well that is no way to set your standards.
Before this episode I could recomend EVE to any one, now I could not recomend this carbon copy microtransaction game.
Himar's Email http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
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Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:20:00 -
[2154]
Originally by: Jim Lovell lol seriously what is wrong with you people a in station store for items ONLY for use inside the station and your all heartbrokenly communicating that after 7 years of dedicated loyalty this unspeakble crime against my eEgo i am ahving to i wont be renewing my sub ...pause for dramatic community change* i just dont understand why its so bad it ISNT stfu and stop worying over nothing you wont be able to buy a titan with a visa card ffs !
Most people are not upset over vanity items, I don't know how you're getting that impression. It's the complete sidestepping of the issue of non-vanity MTs. It's been asked over and over, complete with CCP Meridian stating that he cannot answer questions in regards to it, insinuating that it would be addressed in the dev blog. It was not.
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Glaso Fruixette
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:24:00 -
[2155]
What we want is simple:
1)Honest responses to our questions (the one in yellow in particular) 2)Excuses for the pathetic devblog 3)CCP Zulu's head
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Toramaline
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:25:00 -
[2156]
After 7 years of playing EvE and loving Every moment of it, getting excited in the early years when 12k of people had 'actually' logged on at any one time, keeping at least 2 toons running at all times and putting up with updates that 'improved' (then crashed) the game I seriously question an update that now causes my laptop to overheat and die (this has happened twice now) and a graphical update that slows my pc to 1 frame every 3 seconds.
Well CCP you may just have lost a long term player unless I can find a way to stop my pc dieing, fighters V has been put on just in case I can 'fix' the issue you have created but until then eve login will be kept to an absolute minimum and possibly only up to my next payment time.
Tor.
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:27:00 -
[2157]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
OOO again a CCP employee pops up when he might be better spent elsewhere. . .
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Takumi Shinano
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:27:00 -
[2158]
Don't go for Zulu's head, poor bugger probably typed in almost exactly what he was told to, either that or he submitted it for vetting and had it neutered.
Hilmar, now. That's another story.
(Neither Mister_Eon or his alter-ego Takumi Shinano advocate the use of violence, threat of violence, suggestion of violence or mention of violence, whether real or imaginary in response to game dramaz)
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Teako
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:28:00 -
[2159]
Edited by: Teako on 25/06/2011 09:29:33 ÇÇP just got tired of being a company I guess.
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Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:31:00 -
[2160]
Edited by: Georgiy Giggle on 25/06/2011 09:35:15 Edited by: Georgiy Giggle on 25/06/2011 09:33:01 Edited by: Georgiy Giggle on 25/06/2011 09:32:06
Originally by: Adrian Dixon CCP have stopped listening to the comunity and stopped leading the industry, they have lowered their standards by including Micro-transactions.
Before this episode I could recomend EVE to any one, now I could not recomend this carbon copy microtransaction game.
+1 Public vote was ingored: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1 (yes, i've already told that and will keep doing it till microtransactions are removed)
Before today i recomended eve to bigger part of my friends. Now, to nobody, cuz i'm on a way to rid of eve online.
EDIT: Added link.
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Elf Stinger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:35:00 -
[2161]
Edited by: Elf Stinger on 25/06/2011 09:35:48 ITs Over ! i am out of this game!
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:35:00 -
[2162]
I am out for the entire companies head every last one of them.
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Minty Spidersauce
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:36:00 -
[2163]
Just changed my two annual accounts (which are about to renew) to monthly accounts. If non-vanity items starting being sold, that is the end.
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EscapeArtist
NOVA TECH Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:37:00 -
[2164]
Ok I will reply to this blog within the confines of the subjects covered, because that's what Zulu wants. However the burning question on the communities mind is; will MT come to in game items!
Regardless of the elephant in the room, I am sickened by the tone and stand point presented within this blog firstly while I feel it was right to clarify what 'fearless' is, that was not enough in my opinion as you fail to address the issue it represents and instead decided to defend the author (whom let's face it didn't really need you pulling the draw bridge up on them, making it worse!)
Secondly I find it ridiculous that you believe the price point for these vanity items is justified, in game is not real world!!! The very fact the the community has reacted so negatively and you responded; deal with it, is asserting you haven't heard the community at all
Tl;dr PR disaster, in game items do not demand real world prices.
I am glad I am on a sub break from eve at the moment, I see no reason to recommit to this game if this is the attitude and future for EVE. It's slight corny to say but, I thought you were different. Or to but it another way... You seem pretty sh*tty to me now.
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PresidentScrewb
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:37:00 -
[2165]
This dev blog is absolutely no answer to the questions we have. CCP; LEARN TO READ OUR PROBLEMS. I will state the questions;
- WILL AURUM EVER BE MORE THEN JUST CLOTHING AND CUSTOMIZATION? - WHY IS INCARNA A FAILURE SO FAR? WHY SO LITTLE FOR SO MUCH TIME? - WHY DON'T YOU GIVE IS AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT IS COMING WHEN? - PERFORMANCE ISSUES!!!? - LIMITATIONS CAUSED BY CQ?
You guys are destroying the community, you can eiter live with a destroyed eve, or try to make something of it. Now, your only killing instead of healing. Expectation management is something to be learned hear, after 5 years of waiting for Incarna, you now trow **** at us. And you wonder why we trow it back???
This dev blog is utterly failure to those who have been waiting for answers, one of those is me.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:40:00 -
[2166]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
So if this blog was just to address the newsletter/Nex pricing what is the ETA on a blog addressing the pay2win question?
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:40:00 -
[2167]
I am entirely ok with no name brand clothes in fact for whatever its worth my entire wardrobe such as it is based entirely on that kind of cheap clothing.
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Sergio Ling
Wormhole Exploration Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:40:00 -
[2168]
easily one of my favourite devs _
BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL |
Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:41:00 -
[2169]
To you all that unsubbed.. THANK YOU!! no i don't have to listen to your *****ing anymore!
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Tavin Aikisen
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:43:00 -
[2170]
Fearless doesn't necessarily mean you're making the smart move. It just means you're not scared of the consequences of ANY move, including a bad one.
After the feedback that's being unleashed, including the unsubscribing, I hope you are fearless. ----
ôRemember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home in peace.ö
-Cold Wind |
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:46:00 -
[2171]
Firstoff, Arnar Hrafn Gylfason aka CCP Zulu, something personal: your devblog is one of the biggest communication catastrophies I have ever seen around EVE.
Even the title of your devblog indicates that you are not taking the eve players serieously enough. its not just "rage" about a new feature. it is more, and I am trying to make you understanding what happens, even if I think that you won't even read this post nor any other of ccp employees will do.
It is not the disussion about a new eve feature alone, it's about the way you introduced it and the way you responded at criticism.
All in all it seems, that you are treating your customers like cows that can be milked any further to create more profit. You are revealing the demands of your american owners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Catalyst_Partners) by ideological approaches with shiny expressions like "fearless" and "deliver" (I will be talking about that, too) and with new polished grafics. Of course, EVE LOOKS better than before, but the structure behind eve has massively changed.
EVE is no longer a game made by players for players. EVE now is a monetary object to investors that has to provide profits. THIS is now totally unrevealed and this is why your player base is upset.
Making computer games is always about making money, that means holding the player base you have and acquiring a new players. You did well in optically polishing the game and lowering the entrance barriers. EVE is a challenging game and I estimate, that a high percentage of players does not continue playing EVE after the trial, because they feel that it still is a game too complicated to easy get into. I like EVE because of this complexity that it still provides content to me, that is interesting to me after 3,5 years of gameplay.
But there are different ways of making money.
one is: to lay open the numbers, to communicate, to argument, to define clear aims and to estimate costs. This way of transparency is disadvantageous because internal data may get into false hands, on the other side is a community that knows what it's paying for.
the other is: **** your community. and this is what is happening exactely now. with every political or economical change there is protest. the question is how much and how long it will remain. Systemdivergent streams can be blocked or absorbed by a system, if the system is strong enough. This means: You can realize a critical content, if the majority wont protest and the minority leaves or gets exhaustet. that is how politics is made and ccp now tries with us.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store [...]
Please note, Arnar, that there is a difference between "fearless" and "dumb", "courage" and "overenthusiam". The other question is: Who or what has to be feared? Obviously "fearless" is adressing to your player community, because a ridiculous pricing structure to be reasoned by "elite" approach is nothing else, than the hope that a player base can be split enough, that those who will feel cofortated by being "premium" and "elite" are willing to spend more rl-money than before.
Please note, too, that some players would be wealthy enough to buy themselves an "elite" status, but deny it, because this has no place in a virtual game.
The abovementioned concerns and the criticism in this thread should concern you. But the *new*, "fearless" CCP won't care about it's community. You'll lose the old community. good luck with the new. Thread will be locked, Case closed.
--- perhaps something about me and my point of view: For me, EVE was a wonderful game, full of possibilites, that's why I fed three accounts with over 600$ a year, and now I am thinking about cancelling this accounts.
Tl;dr: capitalization of CCP is killing eve. CCP employees not taking this seriously and mocking community.
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Ragnoroc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:46:00 -
[2172]
Originally by: Takumi Shinano Don't go for Zulu's head, poor bugger probably typed in almost exactly what he was told to, either that or he submitted it for vetting and had it neutered.
Hilmar, now. That's another story.
(Neither Mister_Eon or his alter-ego Takumi Shinano advocate the use of violence, threat of violence, suggestion of violence or mention of violence, whether real or imaginary in response to game dramaz)
If that was aimed at my post it was not my intention to 'go' for Zulus heed. I really hope hope that he had a gun at his head it would mean there are still some people with integrity at CCP, my post was aimed fairly and squarely at the upper management and the architects of this new direction.
Lets face it, it is set in stone now and there is nothing we can do any more other than unsub and watch the painful dead of Eve.
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Coco Caine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:48:00 -
[2173]
This blog confirms that CCP has moved on from game development to racketeering.
'People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.'
May I remember that you are creating and maintaining an INTERNET SPACESHIP GAME. I'm not interested in playing and paying for an INTERNET CLOTHES game.
I have unsubscribed, and will stay so until this AUR,NEX bulltish is gone.
CCP once found a perfect solution for MT gaming with PLEX trading, no need to incompetently devolve on this concept.
Unsubscribe too if you want to make a point!
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Dominik Miethling
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:51:00 -
[2174]
I laughed at the "response" to our rage. We already knew that You do have weird ideas and opinions but this is hilarious. If it wasn't for my fav game i would still laugh. The first thing i did with the Incarna-Release was to deactivate Captains Quarter. The second to continue not caring about the stuff you thought awesome of. All I care about is the core game and you continue to ignore it. If You do not go back to your roots, you will loose despite all the "success"(52 monocles my ass). I will watch closely how You decide and then I will decide.
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HanSolos Daddy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:54:00 -
[2175]
Can I sue the tool calling himself "Arnar Hrafn Gylfason" for the cost of a new Logitech G510 Keyboard and a glass of Glenmorangie 1981? I spewed my single-malt scotch all over the keyboard because I made the mistake of drinking while reading his blogarbage.
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Broken Star
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:55:00 -
[2176]
Quote: 'People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.'
Yes bloody stupid virtual clothes, that cost more than battleships, it's laughable. --- I'm an alt, I admit it. |
Aldrad
Caldari Eve Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:57:00 -
[2177]
Originally by: Ltd SpacePig To you all that unsubbed.. THANK YOU!! no i don't have to listen to your *****ing anymore!
I think it's pretty obvious you're oblivious to what's going on here. Move along, join the rest of the sheep.
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Swifty Blowback
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:58:00 -
[2178]
Dear EVE players
I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here, but...
CCP have clearly spent a lot of cash developing Incarna. Why did they do that? Not to give the players a nice User Interface, not to fix issues and not to enhance the overall player experience. It was so that they could alter and add to their business model by charging lots of real life cash for in game pixels. But now the EVE community has realised that this could be a real game changer. And so do CCP. They realise that a few greedy people will pay a lot of their hard earned cash to gain an in game advantage.
Greed is Good? For CCP yes. For a vast majority of the EVE community, no.
Here's how I see it:
1) CCP have invested a lot of time and cash in making Incarna and CQ. 2) CCP have to justify that investment and make even more money.
If vanity items don't give them their expected higher profits, they may move to other potentially more lucrative stuff. Yes, that'd be game altering stuff that reaps peoples greed. Greed is Good?
I'd say the community would have been happy to pay an extra dollar a month for just a few small things that improve the EVE experience. CCP ignored the community and implemented a new business model that can have a massive and unwanted effect on game play.
They have not listened. They are not listening. But as I see it, the position now is this:
How can CCP go back (and take a big loss) on the huge investment they've made with Incarna?
Answering that last question is possibly the best hope that the existing EVE community has. If CCP can't go back or take the "loss", EVE is dead. At least for me and quite a few thousand other players.
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Aldrad
Caldari Eve Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:59:00 -
[2179]
Originally by: Coco Caine This blog confirms that CCP has moved on from game development to racketeering.
'People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.'
May I remember that you are creating and maintaining an INTERNET SPACESHIP GAME. I'm not interested in playing and paying for an INTERNET CLOTHES game.
I have unsubscribed, and will stay so until this AUR,NEX bulltish is gone.
CCP once found a perfect solution for MT gaming with PLEX trading, no need to incompetently devolve on this concept.
Unsubscribe too if you want to make a point!
I agree. I came to play internet spaceshipz, not have my computer burned out while docked looking at fanciful clothing. You want that crap? Make a clothes designer game.
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Kyang Tia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:59:00 -
[2180]
Wow. Even if I assume that everything in this blog is actually true and not just damage control: It still doesn't adress the real issues as has been pointed out, and most likely deliberately so. It is simply not imaginable that, after the 250 page ****storm and everything else, CCP people still don't know what we're talking about. This means they ignored the most important issues on purpose, and, what's even worse:
CCP, you disrespected the playerbase. You got slapped in the face for doing it with the largest threadnought I have ever seen, with player demonstrations in front of Jita stations that grew so large the system had to be closed, with hundreds of pages full of hate and also constuctive criticism. People are angry and they are rightfully so. Yet, the word "sorry" doesn't appear one single time in this blog. From my point of view, this can only mean one thing: "STFU, let us do our job and make money, honestly we don't really care if 1000 bitter vets turn away from the game"
Kyang
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:01:00 -
[2181]
From evenews24.com
After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.
After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this ôleaked emailö, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.
The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the ôHilmarö writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as æfearlessÆ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.
We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didnÆt published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.
E-mail can be found HERE
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:04:00 -
[2182]
Apparently ÇÇP got their headds stuck up their a$$. No wonder they cant see their endless row of epic mistakes. --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Starlight Eternal
Minmatar Bene Tleilax technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:06:00 -
[2183]
Congratulations on wonderful blog response .... not!!!
As a reward i give you -2 subscriptions!
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Tawn Maihac
The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:06:00 -
[2184]
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
CCP should remember that they are not a 1000$ pair of pants.
CCP Zulu, if this is your vision on micro transactions, why not up the esubscription fee to 75$ a month? That way, you will only have the cool kids playing your high fashion game
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Wilson Dixie
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:08:00 -
[2185]
Originally by: Angeliq From evenews24.com
After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.
After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this ôleaked emailö, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.
The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the ôHilmarö writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as æfearlessÆ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.
We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didnÆt published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.
E-mail can be found HERE
If that's legit, then this is a very disturbing email to read.
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Pyrasol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:09:00 -
[2186]
Originally by: Angeliq From evenews24.com
After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.
After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this ôleaked emailö, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.
The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the ôHilmarö writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as æfearlessÆ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.
We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didnÆt published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.
E-mail can be found HERE
... I just cancelled my sub!!!
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Ginny Xuun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:10:00 -
[2187]
Originally by: Austherus Sialomaet
Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?
This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.
You know why they are not going to answer this question? Because they can't answer you a no.
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Remair
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:12:00 -
[2188]
For my 2 cents on all of this:
I actually liked CQ. It is far from finished, slow and really needs to be optional for those folk who cannot run it (especially as it adds no functionality to the game). I like EVE. Until now I have ranked CCP up there with the very top development teams. However your handling of this situation is just so frustrating for a fan of both the game and yourselves.
People do not want non-vanity items from MTs in eve. Personally I do not want any MTs (the idea of paying subscription fees for you to develop something that you then sell back to me doesn't make sense. It is why I quit ST:O and why I refuse to use the NeX). Non-vanity items will cripple the ingame economy, even if not everyone will want to pay $ to get the ships they will pay using ingame isk to get the best. This cuts out the entire production cycle completely as manufacturers, miners, inventors, haulers, station traders etc. all become obsolete or at best catering for lower-level players. All these people you will force out of your game in addition to those who have or are leaving already. This is why people are so angry. This is why people want one simple question answered: Are you going to bring in non-vanity items in microtransactions?
Then instead of answering the question you have repeatedly sidestepped it. All this has done is make things worse as you can no doubt see. I understand that in response to threats and calls for firings you have become defensive (anyone would whose job or safety is called into question) but there really is no way you can avoid giving an answer. If you continue to ignore the question people will assume you are saying "yes we will put in microtransactions for everything" or at best leaving the option open for yourselves. Please, just from a business point of view, do the maths. Will microtransactions ever bring in the amount of money you are losing now and will lose in the future from taking this stance? How many items will have to sell to make up for all these canceled subscriptions? Not just now but across the months or years that they would have happily paid for?
In the leaked document it was said that MTs are a good way of getting feedback of what players want in a way subscriptions don't. If you want feedback then look at this forum, look ingame, look across message boards all over the internet. People do not want this. They are desperately trying to give you feedback, telling you with messages, ingame demonstrations and cancelled accounts. Keep this up and ever more will give you feedback on this situation via that "unsubscribe" button.
I used to love CCP for the fact they put the players first. I could recommend eve for everyone as you promised that nobody would ever have to pay beyond subscription fees for any additional content. Now I simply do not trust you, and for the record if MTs ever sell a non-vanity item in eve I will quit and never return.
Please make the right choice CCP, and make it fast.
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Gonn Ekollon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:18:00 -
[2189]
Being fearless is often related to stupidity.The poor oblivious dronts were fearless and got extinct. Losing customer base seems another way to go extinct.
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Glaso Fruixette
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:18:00 -
[2190]
Originally by: Aldrad You want that crap? Make a clothes designer game.
They're already doing that, it's called world of darkness...
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Bawsk
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:18:00 -
[2191]
Originally by: CCP Zulu
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
No. No, it's not tricky at all.
ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?: [ ] YES [ ] NO
Just put an X in the box that applies. There is no way that this can become "Muddled" It's pretty easy and doesn't require a focus group powow.
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Magaskaweel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:19:00 -
[2192]
So, you dont give a **** about what we say uh? You only care about what we do? Well, my sub isnt getting renewed, wait 15 days and you'll see. And no more ÇÇP products to me ever. Wait for the release of dust and wod and you'll see that too.
****ing activision business school graduates. **** you all.
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Integra Arkanheld
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:20:00 -
[2193]
Originally by: Remair For my 2 cents on all of this:
I actually liked CQ. It is far from finished, slow and really needs to be optional for those folk who cannot run it (especially as it adds no functionality to the game). I like EVE. Until now I have ranked CCP up there with the very top development teams. However your handling of this situation is just so frustrating for a fan of both the game and yourselves.
People do not want non-vanity items from MTs in eve. Personally I do not want any MTs (the idea of paying subscription fees for you to develop something that you then sell back to me doesn't make sense. It is why I quit ST:O and why I refuse to use the NeX). Non-vanity items will cripple the ingame economy, even if not everyone will want to pay $ to get the ships they will pay using ingame isk to get the best. This cuts out the entire production cycle completely as manufacturers, miners, inventors, haulers, station traders etc. all become obsolete or at best catering for lower-level players. All these people you will force out of your game in addition to those who have or are leaving already. This is why people are so angry. This is why people want one simple question answered: Are you going to bring in non-vanity items in microtransactions?
Then instead of answering the question you have repeatedly sidestepped it. All this has done is make things worse as you can no doubt see. I understand that in response to threats and calls for firings you have become defensive (anyone would whose job or safety is called into question) but there really is no way you can avoid giving an answer. If you continue to ignore the question people will assume you are saying "yes we will put in microtransactions for everything" or at best leaving the option open for yourselves. Please, just from a business point of view, do the maths. Will microtransactions ever bring in the amount of money you are losing now and will lose in the future from taking this stance? How many items will have to sell to make up for all these canceled subscriptions? Not just now but across the months or years that they would have happily paid for?
In the leaked document it was said that MTs are a good way of getting feedback of what players want in a way subscriptions don't. If you want feedback then look at this forum, look ingame, look across message boards all over the internet. People do not want this. They are desperately trying to give you feedback, telling you with messages, ingame demonstrations and cancelled accounts. Keep this up and ever more will give you feedback on this situation via that "unsubscribe" button.
I used to love CCP for the fact they put the players first. I could recommend eve for everyone as you promised that nobody would ever have to pay beyond subscription fees for any additional content. Now I simply do not trust you, and for the record if MTs ever sell a non-vanity item in eve I will quit and never return.
Please make the right choice CCP, and make it fast.
I agree with this. If MTs ever sell a non-vanity item in EVE I will quit and never return.
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Felcon
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:22:00 -
[2194]
After reading all the info floating around i sadly will bring my 8 years of EVE-Online ..to a close.
I never thought i would feel such contempt from CCP ... They must have employed some Cryptic Staff.
3 Accounts cancelled!
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:24:00 -
[2195]
Edited by: Whitehound on 25/06/2011 10:25:57 You, CCP, deserve to lose players and money.
With each large expansion do you increase the shader requirements without providing backward compatibility. You lose players and others have to spend money on new hardware, thereby giving it to ATI and Nvidia before they can give it to you. And now you want to get cash back in through vanity items.
You have got to be drunk. --
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Micro Tranactions Rock
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:25:00 -
[2196]
Ok, with al this negative postings, i would like to post something positive about Micro Transactions.
I think the Micro Transactions is a really good thing, ofcourse i do not care about the new 3d engine or the clothing! I do feel badly for people with older computers who now can't run multiple clients!
But for the store, you don't have to buy clothing, i don't know why i would ever buy clothing in a spaceship game. But i guess we have a girl playerbase who like some sims elements in the game.
But to the point, I really hope one day we will be able buy skill points (or items that will convert into skill points) in the Micro Transaction store.
I know a lot of players object to it, saying i played 8 years and now have 150m skillpoints. -And do not want newer players to be able to get there fast.- But why not? If a new player spends as much money on the game in 1 month as you did in 8 years? It is the choice of the new player who is buying the skill points. It is his money which he spends on a hobby!
And if CCP makes more money they might even hire some people to fix-up new space ships like tech III frigs and battleships. (and fix posses and some other bugs that has been around for a few years)
And i don't think selling uber items like special ships or modules in the store is a good thing that will just screw up the market. The current crafting - market system is one of the best systems i have seen so far in mmo's.
Well this is solely my opinion, I hope I offended nobody. Lets all be friends again and shoot each other spaceship instead of spending so much time on the forums.
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:26:00 -
[2197]
One point I have (of the many here that I agree with) is that Eve is different from many other MMORPG's in two important respects.
1. It's all about Internet Spaceships. That's what drew the players here, that's what they enjoy. And, to be honest, there isn't another game out there that touches Eve in this genre. What it's NOT about is being a Sci-Fi FPS. That's been done a thousand times and, so far for what CCP has offered, visually better and using fewer resources. It took you over a year to do that? Really?
We're here to fly ships in space. End of. It seems like you're resorting to this FPS format (with Dust 514 especially) as a cash-cow and, frankly, because you've run out of ideas. All this talk about clothes is just guff but it also goes contrary to what the game is about and why people play it, often owning (and now unsubscribing) multiple accounts. Emphasising the FPS element just turns it into HALO + Second Life with Spaceships on the side.
2. Most players in Eve have got what they've got by putting in the time, effort and brains necessary to get it. If you mine, getting your first Hulk is a massive sense of achievement because it's hard and expensive and takes time to do. That's why Hulk drivers hide when Hulkageddon comes around, they don't want to lose it.
If you lose something in Eve, it really means something to that player. That gets into the whole mentality of the game... Eve players play smart, and careful. You get killed in WoW, you just get up and start again. You get killed in Eve and that's six months work down the pan. The playing style (and players) are completely different.
If, however, I take out someone who just goes to the NEX and buys more and better ammo and ships (assuming, as most of us are by now, that that's the way the game will go) then what's the point? It'll be nothing more than WoW for people with credit cards. Very boring indeed. The feel of the community and game will be destroyed.
I know the argument about buying PLEX and then selling it for ISK... CCP can get around that by putting a ban on resale of PLEX for a period of time (a year, maybe) but that's not the point people are making here. It's about what Eve is, and what it'll become if people don't earn what they've got... just another failed MMORPG, Star Wars Galaxies style.
I think CCP have been told this for quite a while, now. They've chosen not to listen and now events have come to a head. Sad to see this happen to such a unique game and it's unique community. CQ = BS |
Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:27:00 -
[2198]
I am rather surprised they haven't been removing topics like these. Before you flame me I do not agree with or like CCP due to the recent expansion. It does help that since the expansion I have heard all of one statement from them and it said basically that I was S.O.L.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:32:00 -
[2199]
Forgive me for asking - but CCP Zulu post the wrong message?
I saw nothing which addresses our concerns in that message.
Where was the bit about micro-transactions?
Where was the part which discussed the API development fees?
Where was the part which reassured me that the things broken in the latest release would be fixed?
Where was the part which realingned the fact that this was the smoothest release ever to the facts that some machines can't run it, overheat or even become ruined?
Where was the discussion on the sanctity of the sandbox?
Where were the considerations that non-combat roles within the game could be now ruined?
Where was the sincere apology for calling we customers 'cash cows'?
Finally,
Where was the consideration of the customers, the third party developers and the people who made this game successful, i.e. us?
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Miss Dryfly
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:33:00 -
[2200]
i am against microtransactions and all the sad plans - who changed the good old ccp crew to a blizzard "gimme your money" crew :(
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:34:00 -
[2201]
It's not, that CCP is not doing bad at all. There are some nice new features.
But the way ÇÇP is going to tear the money out of their loyal player base now is disgusting.
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Evolian
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:34:00 -
[2202]
Originally by: Kentren I am rather surprised they haven't been removing topics like these. Before you flame me I do not agree with or like CCP due to the recent expansion. It does help that since the expansion I have heard all of one statement from them and it said basically that I was S.O.L.
Because if they did remove the Topic or lock it.... It would spill into the Public Forums...!
...and by the way ccp ... I QUIT!!!!
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:36:00 -
[2203]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537450
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Skrekkugle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:39:00 -
[2204]
CCP - I dont think this is one of those things going away by itself...
-3 subs
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Cave Johnson
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:39:00 -
[2205]
I have to say this was the most disappointing and sicking dev blog ever. I really felt physically sick after reading this and I am still not sure whether this is still a bad dream or not. I was going to write a witty response to the jeans comparison. Instead I will just say this. EvE is / was a one of a kind game. A game that I loved. A game that has made a significant impact on my life through the people that I have met while playing. There was a time where I could not ever see myself quitting this game. How ever the second that Aurum can be used to buy non-vanity items I will un-sub both my accounts. For some bizarre reason I still have faith in CCP to stop this stupidity before it breaks the game forever.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:40:00 -
[2206]
Originally by: CCP Zulu
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
Thank you for addressing these two points. I understand the explanation about Fearless and accept it. I think the actual price of the NeX items is irrelevant.
Now that we're done discussing these two points, can we please address the one about whether Micro Transactions will be used for anything beyond vanity items?
And please be constructive and focused about it.
Thank you very much.
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:44:00 -
[2207]
Hey, the rage has calmed down a bit?
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Kentren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:46:00 -
[2208]
hope not
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Crime Zero
Mega Builders
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:47:00 -
[2209]
Originally by: Angeliq From evenews24.com
After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.
After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this ôleaked emailö, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.
The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the ôHilmarö writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as æfearlessÆ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.
We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didnÆt published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.
E-mail can be found HERE
Sad day for EVE. My 2 accounts now cancelled.
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Jonas Glim
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:48:00 -
[2210]
Edited by: Jonas Glim on 25/06/2011 10:48:17 Well ok, well done Zulu you've done it, you've made me give up. All I and a lot of other people wanted to know was are you moving beyond non-vanity items? I don't care about clothing prices and I even quite like CQ, I just want to know are you going to change the game I love to P2W.
But you decided more confrontation was the way to keep my business.
It isn't.
So once again, well done. 2 accounts unsubbed and one more vocal player willing to voice his opinion walking away from your game.
Bravo, well played sir.
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BROTHER Mullakai
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:48:00 -
[2211]
As long as ships, modules and items that give you the edge through money dint become involved i could't care less. You dont have to buy the clothes , infact mine has no shirt and a massive beer belly . I dont see CCP Kotec being a problem arising for us really. Soo glad to see incarna finally and shall play for years to come . Though i understand some concerns quitting over this is just plain daft ect im goin home and taking my ball with me :)
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Futile Rhetoric
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:58:00 -
[2212]
Originally by: BROTHER Mullakai As long as ships, modules and items that give you the edge through money dint become involved i could't care less. You dont have to buy the clothes , infact mine has no shirt and a massive beer belly . I dont see CCP Kotec being a problem arising for us really. Soo glad to see incarna finally and shall play for years to come . Though i understand some concerns quitting over this is just plain daft ect im goin home and taking my ball with me :)
The problem with the "it don't concern me" attitude is that it's short-sighted. CCP has revealed itself as a company that very deliberately treats its customers with absolute contempt. They are now in effect running a racket, because they believe people have a lot to lose by quitting. In effect, they're right: playing an MMORPG is not simply a matter of immediate gratification but also one of investment, and this applies doubly for a long-term MMO such as EVE. It seems a little silly to continue to tie yourself to people who've shown that they are not acting in good faith, but perhaps you can quit at a moment's notice and not care about it a whole lot. If so, good for you.
First they came for the monocle aficionados ;)
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Lavraen
Animus Furandi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:59:00 -
[2213]
Errr guys... Check out the Character bazaar...
People are selling their characters en masse!
If CCP fail to take notice of this then they are in serious trouble!
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Nozomi en Tilavine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:59:00 -
[2214]
So CCP is fearless about listening to players... Ok I hope unsubbing my EVE account will help you to be less fearless
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Needa3
Minmatar BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:59:00 -
[2215]
ARE YOU GOING TO .****. YOUR GAME?: [ ] YES [ ] YES
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Vixxen Dawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:00:00 -
[2216]
ÇÇP Fallout is back on the job, doing what's important.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537450&page=3
Originally by: ÇÇP Fallout The publishing of personal contact information is a violation of forum rules. Please refrain from doing so again.
Thanks for the warning!
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Lavraen
Animus Furandi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:05:00 -
[2217]
Originally by: Vixxen Dawn ÇÇP Fallout is back on the job, doing what's important.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537450&page=3
Originally by: ÇÇP Fallout The publishing of personal contact information is a violation of forum rules. Please refrain from doing so again.
Thanks for the warning!
He didn't remove it though
Maybe he secretly endorses this idea?
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 -
[2218]
Dear CCP Pann, CCP Manifest, I'd like to thank you for donning the asbestos suits and stepping in front of the flamethrower wielding masses gathered here.
However it seems that management at CCP has thrown you to the wolves so they can continue to ignore the issue at hand. It isn't about the NEX, it isn't about CQ, it is about trust.
The leaks of the past few days (all nicely confirmed to be legitimate either through words or actions) have shown an absolute disconnect between those in CCP choosing the future direction for EVE and the playerbase. Even IF (and that's a big if) the Fearless issue was purely speculative, Pay2Win shouldn't even have been a potential discussion point, it is so anathema to what EVE stands for that to even speculate about it is to obliterate the trust your players have in you.
Add CCP Zulu's completely and utterly arrogant non-blog to this loss of trust and it only gets worse. The primary concern wasn't even addressed, this was just a bunch of empty words telling the players to either accept it or leave. Those $1000 pants were just a cherry on top. If the raging inferno on the forums is any indication, we got the message, we're leaving.
Next up is an e-mail allegedly sent by Hilmar himself showing an even greater disregard for those who already pay to play the game he once dreamed of making.
This all adds up to an upper management that can't even imagine what the players in EVE even play the game for, this complete disregard for our pleas and wishes makes it clear that abandoning ship may well be the best course of action. At this rate EVE will go down in flames over the next few months, and they're taking everyone you hold dear down with them.
Trust needs to be earned over time, and it can be lost in a single instant.
That instant has passed, their words have done what years of half-baked patches could not, the trust of the players has been shattered, and if their response stays the same EVE as we know and love it will cease to exist.
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Clone Whisper
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:09:00 -
[2219]
Greed is good,...
who am i to speak right? afterall i'm just a Goose in your flock, am i not? It's a shame CCP, you have became so obsessed with Greed, that you have put your Goose with the golden eggs on the slaughterblock and killed it, just to see if you could pull out some more eggs in a higher rate.
Ironicly to say, World of Darkness suits CCP's style becouse you'r like a vampire bleeding EVE to death with yet an other way of taxing an already paying player base.
Here you go,.. you can have them back,... maby one day i might re-activate these alts,.. that is, the day i can see that the path you are taking with your Micro Transactions (or should i say Astronomical Transactions?) is not going to affect gameplay (wich it obviousely will becouse you are already planning on implementing Non-Vanity, game altering items in your store, completely undermining the economy of EVE). Well,.. It's time to say goodbye to my two alts...
We are not playing a game that is a SANDBOX of many, We are playing a game that is an ANTFARM to a fiew.
And CCP's reaction? An answer that's not complete and the excuse that we can't handle to much information at once. (though i have to say we are doing a fine job with that as we are pulling information out of places CCP would not even dare to think of. And what comes up is to confronting for them to have the guts to stand up to theere and than and tell us, "yes, it's true" That was the first Question, REmember CCP? and those three words took you nearly two days to put together. But than again,... The higher ups within CCP are now in a bar laughing their asses off while we still do not get any answers (and won't get untill monday).
Yea, Smart move CCP, Punch out, grab a beer, have some fun, enjoy the weekends. There's a fuel drenched stake waiting for you when you punch back in monday.
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Darekish
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:10:00 -
[2220]
Edited by: Darekish on 25/06/2011 11:10:22 I'm hugely disappointed by this development and the way CCP have responded to the community's valid concerns.
I have 4 accounts and have played Eve for several years now and this is the biggest error of judgement I can recall from CCP and the scale of the community reaction I think proves that observation.
I could live with MT's for vanity stuff BUT I firmly believe that any introduction of MT's that has a direct impact on the game such as 'special ammo' etc that is better than the regular stuff available atm is a disaster and will signal for many of us the death of a game that to date we have invested a great deal of time, money and commitment. Your player base is loyal and feels 'ownership' of Eve this is a good thing but sadly one you seem set on destroying. The ONLY question i need an answer to in this thread is:
ARE CCP GOING TO INTRODUCE MT'S BEYOND VANITY ITEMS INTO EVE.
CEO Aura of Darkness |
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Lucia Commodo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:11:00 -
[2221]
Sorry guys (players that is), but you've all been spoilt by a very good game company and instead of having some degree of trust based on 8 years of excellent work by these guys you're all screaming because of an internal memo taken out of context.
Quit. Go play a Sony game where they invest nothing in it except life support and then shut it down. Go play Darkfall where you're lucky to see one half-arsed expac a year full of bugs and poorly thought out mechanisms. Go play SWG - oh no, you can't, they're shutting it down. Go play pretty much any other game with no depth.
You're like children screaming at their parents without realising what everyone else's parents are like. These guys are seriously cool compared to most Devs. They play their game, they talk in normal language, they have vision and commitment.
Damn, you know what? There is nothing worse about EVE than there was a week ago. In fact, I think many would argue that Incarna marks the very first step in making EVE an even better game.
Seriously, just get a grip. If you scream and rant about things which haven't even happened you'll die from a heart attack by the time you're my age.
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BR Link
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:11:00 -
[2222]
Originally by: Lavraen Maybe he secretly endorses this idea?
Grey area IMO. Nobody posted contact details, they merely linked to pages where contact details could be found.
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Vixxen Dawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:15:00 -
[2223]
Originally by: BR Link
Originally by: Lavraen Maybe he secretly endorses this idea?
Grey area IMO. Nobody posted contact details, they merely linked to pages where contact details could be found.
Better re-read that topic Phone numbers of boardmembers have been posted. Suggestion was to send them text messages... (not hinting at anything here )
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:16:00 -
[2224]
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 25/06/2011 11:16:21
Originally by: Lucia Commodo
Damn, you know what? There is nothing worse about EVE than there was a week ago. In fact, I think many would argue that Incarna marks the very first step in making EVE an even better game.
Considering the last 3 patches or so have made eve worse for me, Im sure I disagree. Remember what my signature refers to?
At some point the straw is going to break the camels back.
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Lavraen
Animus Furandi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:16:00 -
[2225]
Originally by: Lucia Commodo Go play a Sony game where they invest nothing in it except life support and then shut it down.
At the Sony Press Conference, it was confirmed that Dust 514 is to be released exclusively on the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita.
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BROTHER Mullakai
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:19:00 -
[2226]
@Futile Rhetoric , no i cant quit at a moments notice i live on this game for last 3 years love it , my fisrt reaction when herd about arum was ooh dear god no but ccp will listen to its players and i dont think this will get out of hand with non vanity items available . if it does then thats too much for me too take also and i shall not enjoy playin any more , atm its not ideal but its no threat to the game we love , any way im off to pub to get wasted and mull it over :)
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Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:20:00 -
[2227]
Dear overreacting players,
Read this
Originally by: Vim NeX store, high prices:
#1: Stops the plex demand spike from happening, this is costing the marketmonguls that speculated for this to happen a great deal of isk. Good job CCP, doing as you've said 'Try to make people not be able to benefit from a patch by going over sisi, checking patchnotes beforehand'.
#2: In eve, you can resell your 1000$ jeans for 989.99$ when you grow tired off them, even if you've worn them for a year. Compared to them being bound to your character... That means your pants in actuallity cost you $11.01. If they remove your pants from their sortiment, that means your item might well be worth 2000$ in two years.
#3: Vanity clothes, costly enough that not everybody and his dog buys a plex to try thoose first high priced items? (See #1 and #2 btw) Vanity... means Vanity. We got exactly what we asked for. But I'll take no part in it till we get more of WiS rolled out.
The Inhouse Document, Remember school when you were told to debate the opposite viewpoint as excersize?
#1 Already at the title and the edition you do realize, once your not thinking its a spoof, with how big a truckload of salt you should read it. "Greed is Good?"(questionmark at the end) "Gordon Gekko Edition" <-Who after reading this takes the document at face value?
#2 You have one guy being Gekko, capturing the character quite neatly, exaggeratting ideas and toughts to cause a debate in written form to alot of co-workers.
#3 The lead producer churns out all the weird **** he has heard, stuff has been presented to him etc. He presents it in this doc as his own opinions because he has been asked to write blantantly pro MT.
#4 They need to discuss thoose things for their coming titles, the company as a whole dont have a frame of reference to their two coming titles. The debate is hence set to use EvE as their frame of reference, because everyone is familliar with her and can see the concepts.
The Expansion: #1 We got exactly what we were told, and it shows great promise for things to come. Staggered releases. As promised.
#2 New turrets, Yarr. I'll love to see when they start dusting of old effects and the like.
#3 The Door, yeah. this is poorly done. I cant actually say much about it other then simply: Give me old hangar and option to go to my quarters(Yes mam!)
#4 Bugfixes, great. More of thoose please.
Now: I would not mind people buying a vanity luxuary shuttle in the nex, nor would I bash ccp if they wanted to sell advantages to newbies(up to 10m sp or so). They need to get newbies to stay. If that means newbies can buy abit of a faster skilltraining or get abit of standings to get faster to where they think they can enjoy the game and hence stay: No problem. The failure is CCP need to say this. I do not think the community would object to newbies being able to get a better start/get going in eve. GTC/PLEX already accomplishes this to an extent. Why not make it better stuff then isk, that realy gets you nowhere :P. I for one, want new players in eve.
I would be quite upset if 'raise your faction to 9.99' 'paintjob 10% extra armor included' offers suddenly appeared in the noble store and take my money elsewhere. Until that happens, I will not judge CCP for internal discussions, nor their toughts.
Fly safe, pewpew and remember to use reason.
Understand that the Hilmar mail doesnt in any way adress implementing pay2win items in the noble store, it's focused on players reactions to the "SHOCKING" price of the monocle. Seriously, if you think it's THAT expensive, dont farking buy it! It's that simple. Now chill the F out, you whiny snotty, entitled douches.
Also, if you're unsubbing, please send your ISK to 'Sing Xing', I need more monocles.
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Kronosys Athonille
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Commodo Sorry guys (players that is), but you've all been spoilt by a very good game company and instead of having some degree of trust based on 8 years of excellent work by these guys you're all screaming because of an internal memo taken out of context.
Quit. Go play a Sony game where they invest nothing in it except life support and then shut it down. Go play Darkfall where you're lucky to see one half-arsed expac a year full of bugs and poorly thought out mechanisms. Go play SWG - oh no, you can't, they're shutting it down. Go play pretty much any other game with no depth.
You're like children screaming at their parents without realising what everyone else's parents are like. These guys are seriously cool compared to most Devs. They play their game, they talk in normal language, they have vision and commitment.
Damn, you know what? There is nothing worse about EVE than there was a week ago. In fact, I think many would argue that Incarna marks the very first step in making EVE an even better game.
Seriously, just get a grip. If you scream and rant about things which haven't even happened you'll die from a heart attack by the time you're my age.
Well Said
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Mangueiras
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:24:00 -
[2229]
Originally by: Lucia Commodo Sorry guys (players that is), but you've all been spoilt by a very good game company and instead of having some degree of trust based on 8 years of excellent work by these guys you're all screaming because of an internal memo taken out of context.
Quit. Go play a Sony game where they invest nothing in it except life support and then shut it down. Go play Darkfall where you're lucky to see one half-arsed expac a year full of bugs and poorly thought out mechanisms. Go play SWG - oh no, you can't, they're shutting it down. Go play pretty much any other game with no depth.
You're like children screaming at their parents without realising what everyone else's parents are like. These guys are seriously cool compared to most Devs. They play their game, they talk in normal language, they have vision and commitment.
Damn, you know what? There is nothing worse about EVE than there was a week ago. In fact, I think many would argue that Incarna marks the very first step in making EVE an even better game.
Seriously, just get a grip. If you scream and rant about things which haven't even happened you'll die from a heart attack by the time you're my age.
You just like CCP miss the crutial question: "Will AUR get pay-to-win items?"
The Captain Quarters are not the main problem of this protest. Nor are the bugs that have always poped up in one form or the other and have you seen anything like what has been happening because of it? The answer is no. All they have to do to control this riot/protest is say that there will NEVER be pay-to-win items in AUR store and you will see everyone will shut up. People will wait as they always did for bug fixes and will continue playing their game. Don't forget CCP this is our game... Don't make the mistake of not listening ans answering the main question... Because if the answer to: "Will AUR get pay-to-win items?" is yes then trust me when I say eve will die...
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Alcolin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:25:00 -
[2230]
Sorry this is too much or me ... I am taking a break for a few months on my accounts. Ill see what CCP does with EvE but i am not inversting any more time or money.
Good luck to the rest of you staying. Enjoy the fleecing...
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Grit Diaspora
Gallente Money Flow Index.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:25:00 -
[2231]
All they care about is ****ing money! The culture, the community, the "idea" that is Eve Online only means something to the players who have been around for years and the newer ones who were looking for that 1 game, different from all the other crap out there. Don't waste your time ranting and raving on the forums, or writing to CCP,all they give a **** about are dollar signs. I say we have a "Boycott Eve Day" .. A day where nobody logs the **** on and show them that they need us, we do not need them !!!
GD
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Tomarix Vindigo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:27:00 -
[2232]
From the blog
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
To be honest, for me it is one of the most useless blogs ever, CCP Zulu.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 -
[2233]
From evenews24.com
After receiving this email 24 hours ago, I held it up and classified as a troll in k u g u t s u m e n . c o m foreplay, which is where a some of our intel gets validated. I refused to believe this email was real, but evidence, confirmation from several sources including agents with very close ties with CCP has confirmed it, I refused to believe it veracity.
After reading the CCP Zulu release, we broke down as we became aware of the similar direction between the CCP DevLog and this ôleaked emailö, we decided to calm down and post this after heavily consulting advisors, ex-game developers and well informed EVE online players.
The email to which we hold no authorship, editing, nor claim to be true based on the fact that we are still in denial/shock even a day after, we are assured to have the ôHilmarö writing style, no-one before other than the original source of our leak reffered to the newsletter as æfearlessÆ and the content of the email certainly goes inline with the poorly received DevBlog message CCP Zulu expressed.
We Do not claim the veracity of this email it came to us via a Drop Box (just as the newsletter), we didnÆt published immediately out of the respect we feel for CCP games, yet the evidence has been mounting all day as we keep digging around and other clues has been pooping up or keep in mind that maybe we Eve News24 are being peons to the well planned machinations of persons willing to destroy CCP.
Said this, Read It and Make Your Own Conclusions.
E-mail can be found HERE
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Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 -
[2234]
People are getting very board of your sh*t. This topic might not get the 250+ the other one got but that does not mean you answered our questions and we are satisfied. It just means people have stopped caring and have already gone else were.
I love how you came up with cool Real life analogies about clothes, but what you failed to grasp is that EVE WORLD IS NOT RL. Maybe you will come up with a Ç500 tuxedo because in RL it makes you look cool and spending that on one is worth it so it must be the same in eve.
Your best bet at this point is removing the hole shop the hole QC and go fix all the other crap you have broken while doing all of this.
In RL we get to chose to not wear clothes, well in the fun game I play I would like to chose not to look at this god dam door any more and not to be forced into my QC when I dock. I was fully immersed into the eve world enuff that I was sat in a pod in my ship in the hanger and that I had 1000's of able body people no in pods running round doing my **** for me, me and my pod are like a god and I control them. I don't need to lower myself and walk about like my underlings, I am a god.
There are loads of other issues like not having MT at all in eve and paying ISK for everything and lots of other stuff but I don't cear any more. Because you all seem to be ****ing useless at making SPACESHIPS GOOD ANYMORE.
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Inquisitor Cerberuso
Hounds of Helll
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:28:00 -
[2235]
I'm pretty sure most of you here are really ******ed. You read a fancy internal document - Yes i have read it to - that discusses creative ideology and opinions between CCP staff. Then, without basic factual information, you are OMG THEY ARE BREAKING THE GAME.
I haven't seen anyone say in the document "LETS INTRODUCE UBER-FORTRESS-TITANZ". You are being ridiculous and simply taking the OPINIONS out of context. I do not see a roadmap for the next 5 dev cycles for Eve in this document. 270pages of whine becos you read the EN24 quotes and you are unable to think for yourselves.
Then you knock at CCPs door and demand for an explanation - which Zulu have given. You also demand for an apology. They can't apologise if most of you are ******ed Daily Mail readers. Then you carry on protesting; Thats it, keep logging in, keep New Eden active its fun.
If you are a player and you really think CCP would introduce a game breaking disadvantage to honest but not-so-well-off players then you might aswell give me your stuff and quit. Because you have this stupid idea planted, nothing CCP will say will be good enough.
I DON'T SEE YOU PROTESTING ABOUT BOTTING AND MACRO'ING WHICH GIVE MOST NULL SEC ALLIANCES AN ADVANTAGE
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Random Lee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:30:00 -
[2236]
I said in the other thread (over 250 pages) that I would give CCP a week to sort out the issues before I considered leaving the game. Sadly due to the confirmation from CCP Zulu that this is no longer the game I originally subscribed to, I am going to have to put my money where my mouth is.
I will not be extending the game time on any of my 6 accounts.
Thank you for what used to be a good game, I did enjoy playing it.
And yes, you can have my stuff, I wont be needing it anymore.
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Futile Rhetoric
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:30:00 -
[2237]
Originally by: BROTHER Mullakai @Futile Rhetoric , no i cant quit at a moments notice i live on this game for last 3 years love it , my fisrt reaction when herd about arum was ooh dear god no but ccp will listen to its players and i dont think this will get out of hand with non vanity items available . if it does then thats too much for me too take also and i shall not enjoy playin any more , atm its not ideal but its no threat to the game we love , any way im off to pub to get wasted and mull it over :)
Sorry man, but it's clear as day that this is where they're going. The same principle which says that "these cretins will buy a monocle our graphics designers spent a few hours on for $70" says other things, too. Think.
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Zorash Xanten
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:30:00 -
[2238]
Some of you obviously don't get it do you? Its not about the price of the items currently on sale for MT, nor even the fact that MT in now part of the game, its that the MT planned for EVE involves items that can effect the game (Ammo, Ships, possibly implants etc.). This is the gamebreaker for the majority of people who know anything about how EVE operates. Sure people with RL money can buy Plex and get better chars/better ships n' modules, but in these cases these items come from WITHIN EVE, somebody took time and effort to make those chars for sale, somebody made the ships and modules (or ratted for them in the case of modules) from in game resources. That they used in game resources means that there was an Oportunity Cost associated with them (look up what this means, its important). MT game effecting items have no in game Opportuninty Cost and thus break the Sandbox/Player driven economy model of EVE. Simple.
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Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:32:00 -
[2239]
Will MT ever expand away from vanity items?
thats all i want to know and im done. -----------------------------------------------
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:33:00 -
[2240]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
What on earth possessed him to write such unbelievable drivel? What on earth where you thinking letting him post it?
There's a limit to the level of contempt that even EVE players will accept from you fools, and this stinking turd far over-reaches it.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Joseph Vacher
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:34:00 -
[2241]
I'm realistic, I understand this is a business you want to make profit out of and so on, I've no problem with that.
But, Zulu, if you think that dev blog was an acceptable way of responding to the concerns of the player base, you're quite wrong.
People want to know whether there is a long-term goal within CCP to introduce real-money purchases of non-vanity/cosmetic items. If the answer is no, tell us - at a stroke, people are placated. If the answer is yes, your silence suggests it is a plan you have so little faith in you are afraid to outline it to the people it will directly affect.
And if you have no faith in it, why do it?
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Kabaos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:34:00 -
[2242]
About ExtraVipSuperMega-"monocle" Cost 4-5 plex =like a 10 Battleships..And this is Sci-Fi?!
CCP is very "CLEVER"
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Rozovoy Floyd
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:35:00 -
[2243]
The debate regarding if/how microtransactions could be implemented into EVE was, and still is, an interesting debate that could help EVE move forward in a way that both satisfies players and the business needs of CCP. Unfortunately, due to a quite staggering error in judgement by whoever is ultimately responsible for for this area, it's not a debate we are having. Recovering from this point is not going to be easy, but also isn't impossible.
The mistake, quite simply, was the business model of the microtransactions that were introduced. The rather unfortunate dev blog written in defence of this really does show a major misunderstanding of the target market.
The virtual products introduced have been premium priced - skim as much money as possible from the players who are willing to pay any price - low volume but high return. This will then be followed by lower price brackets as the range expands. Makes perfect sense in many markets (new technology, for example), but was madness in this case.
CCP was faced with a market that they knew would be resistant to MTs. The first step had to reassure the community that CCP was not doing this in an attempt to rip of their customers, but simply to develop the way in which people pay for the game. Introducing items that are only of vanity value, and currently not even that due to CQ being the only functioning part of Incarna, and then charging unbelievably high prices had completely the reverse effect. Now large chunks of the community, including many long term, loyal customers, are beginning to doubt if they can believe a word that the company says.
Recovering from this will not be easy. I would suggest that a number of steps need to be taken very quickly. 1) Make a very clear announcement that CCP made a huge mistake - stop trying to defend the indefensable. 2) Revamp the Noble Exchange to start with the bottom end of the market - give us the cheap end to get us wanting to actually have vanity items - introduce the higher price stuff later when vanity items become normal.
If I were a shareholder of CCP, I would be very concerned that senior management allowed this situation to develop. I'd be even more concerned if they don't realise they have made an enormous mistake and take quick steps to rectify it.
And a note to the ragers - if you want to vent your anger, vent it at the top where the instructions come from, not at the employees who simply did what they were told to do.
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Nukleanis
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:36:00 -
[2244]
A few issues that caught my non-monocled eye:
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes.
We are, in fact, talking about pixels on a monitor. I keep my clothes in my drawers here at home. I do not store them on Tranquility, and if I went out of my house attempting to wear pixels then I would be arrested. Or at least extremely cold.
Quote: ...which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous.
What other redeeming factors does it have? Is it functional? Complete? User-friendly? Non-controversial?
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
You have not, and it is obvious that the points you attempted to address were the tip of a very large iceberg. How do you explain the terrible coverage in the gaming news community? By the same deluded 'virtual clothes have the same value as real clothes' argument? What about Aur for non-vanity items? What about the fact that you have gone back on your word about forcing CQ onto people and about MT in general? Do we not, your paying customers, deserve an apology for this? Are we just dollar signs to you?
For answers, we'll turn to Hilmar's letter where we find the following:
Quote: Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world.
You have caught a lot of bad press, to be specific.
Quote: We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM...
But not, it appears, to the most important group of all: The customers.
Quote: I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
If you do not believe what your customers are telling you, but instead see what they do, then you are saying that we are lying. People are resistant to change, but they are more resistant to being ripped off. Selling 52 monocles does not mean that the entire community is behind you, it means that the entire community -52 people thinks that this is a very bad idea.
Quote: ...changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before!
CCP will change the world? This is terribly delusional.
CCP is a business. Previously their business model was making awesome games that people want to play and pay for. Now it is lying and attempting to take money from people by any means necessary. CCP admit that this reaction was expected, but CCP, can you not consider WHY the community is so upset? Obscene prices. Going back on your promises. Leaked documents.
If your own employees see fit to leak documents, then you must be doing something really, truly wrong. You may have called in market professionals to help you with your homework, but when you hand your homework to the customers who judge you on it and mark it as wrong, you have to go and do it again.
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Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:38:00 -
[2245]
Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 25/06/2011 11:40:11
I just don't buy this stuff. As I have never bought a Plex to pay for the game, I will never buy Aurums to pay for stuff. I don't look down or up to people who do this, it's only their decision what to do with their RL money or their ingame money.
My only objection is, that the civilisation-destroying consume paradigm is now transported into this virtual realm, assisting to annihilate our RL world by reinforcing the mindsets and habits of people enslaved by money and addicted to consuming, and adding to the smokescreening of their perception about the consequences of their habits.
However, as soon as buying stuff with Aurums gives an advantage to those who do this besides stupid vanity, I'm out of here.
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Paskis Robinson
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:38:00 -
[2246]
I can't imagine wanting to use money to play dress-up with clothing. I can imagine using it to put my corp logo on my ship though, within limits of price.
The memo was an internal newsletter, not a policy manifesto, and I won't be threatening to close accounts based on that or demanding answers or guarantees that CCP may not have made final decisions on. I probably won't close them even if they do start making some MT stuff, so long as it doesn't impact my game play.
CCP is a business, and I expect them to tune the game to make a profit; they know breaking the game will kill it, but there's got to be scope for some micro transactions to increase the cash pool for them to some degree. And if you can do it without breaking the game, go for it CCP - because the more money CCP makes, the more they can spend on more awesome expansions and faster hardware, and more people will play, and there'll be more targets...
So park the hysteria people and make a decision to leave if and when something truly game breaking happens; not just because someone moots the mere idea of it.
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Kaos Supreme
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:38:00 -
[2247]
While you're bull****tin, how bout removing all ****ing forms of bottin / macro'n ! |
Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:39:00 -
[2248]
Originally by: Lucia Commodo Sorry guys (players that is), but you've all been spoilt by a very good game company and instead of having some degree of trust based on 8 years of excellent work by these guys you're all screaming because of an internal memo taken out of context.
Quit. Go play a Sony game where they invest nothing in it except life support and then shut it down. Go play Darkfall where you're lucky to see one half-arsed expac a year full of bugs and poorly thought out mechanisms. Go play SWG - oh no, you can't, they're shutting it down. Go play pretty much any other game with no depth.
You're like children screaming at their parents without realising what everyone else's parents are like. These guys are seriously cool compared to most Devs. They play their game, they talk in normal language, they have vision and commitment.
Damn, you know what? There is nothing worse about EVE than there was a week ago. In fact, I think many would argue that Incarna marks the very first step in making EVE an even better game.
Seriously, just get a grip. If you scream and rant about things which haven't even happened you'll die from a heart attack by the time you're my age.
EVE was an excellent game, and still is a good game. But the line of real capitalization in a virtual game is crossed since a week. THIS is what changed. Where is the difference between RMT and MT? RMT betrays CCP, with MT ÇÇP betrays the EVE community. It's not only a new feature, it's something personal. THAT's why players are reacting, it's your point of view if you think it to be an overreaction.
But the simple questions of the community are still not answered, remaining silent is a bad idea in this matter. The more real life persons are leaving new eden as players the more it matters: If the exodus starts, for whom the DUST-players will fight?
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William Baring
Caldari Barings Trade And Finance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:39:00 -
[2249]
Firstly i dont have any problem with CQ or incarna in general. I dont even mind the introduction or a new currency. Personally i think you guys at CCP do a good job in trying circumstances. Your alot like politicians in some ways, you can never keep everyone happy but thats just part of the job :)
However id like to know if this will go beyond vanity items, plus a reassurance it wont - becuase if it does go beyond it will make a mockery of all the effort and work players have been putting in for years. It will make playing meaningless. And il be saying thanks but but no thanks CCP.
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Inquisitor Cerberuso
Hounds of Helll
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:40:00 -
[2250]
Originally by: Zorash Xanten Some of you obviously don't get it do you? Its not about the price of the items currently on sale for MT, nor even the fact that MT in now part of the game, its that the MT planned for EVE involves items that can effect the game (Ammo, Ships, possibly implants etc.). This is the gamebreaker for the majority of people who know anything about how EVE operates. Sure people with RL money can buy Plex and get better chars/better ships n' modules, but in these cases these items come from WITHIN EVE, somebody took time and effort to make those chars for sale, somebody made the ships and modules (or ratted for them in the case of modules) from in game resources. That they used in game resources means that there was an Oportunity Cost associated with them (look up what this means, its important). MT game effecting items have no in game Opportuninty Cost and thus break the Sandbox/Player driven economy model of EVE. Simple.
You, sir, are an idiot. Go read the document again and tell me where, exactly, it confirms they are introducing game breaking changes. All i see is a discussion. The reason why it hasn't been discussed publicly is because this would happen.
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Xyzibit
Caldari New-Roots
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:40:00 -
[2251]
ccp lives somewhere beyond reality?! or do you just not want to realize you f*cked up hard this time?!
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:41:00 -
[2252]
Seeing all this s**t I do seriously consider stopping all my accounts if CCP continues hiding head in the sand. _________________________ Dynamic WH map for everyone! |
Kabaos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:44:00 -
[2253]
CCP if you not change something ,you get to the point of no return .. Out of a game can a lot of players .. "Greedy pays twice"null
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dethleffs
HATEME'S GANK EMPORIUM
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:45:00 -
[2254]
wow! what a load of utter, meaningless crap! Are you guys still hoping this will blow over? shees.
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Kayweg
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:46:00 -
[2255]
As for this statement:
"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" Allow me to
I will not pull the eject lever just yet, but allow me to use that same line from MY perspective:
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where i look at what CCP does and less of what they say.
If AUR transactions are introduced beyond vanity items, then watch me.....watch me very careful indeed.
o/
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:49:00 -
[2256]
Hovering over "biomass".
Prove me wrong, please.
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Sludgeface
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:50:00 -
[2257]
Wow.
For the most part, I've remained relatively aloof of this entire debacle, because I'm not entirely sure how it will pan out, or even if many of the concerns are even that horrible.
But!
That response from CCP WhatsHisName is about as arrogant as it gets. I think you all have your answer now.
o/
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Carserea
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:51:00 -
[2258]
According to this this thread over 1000 accounts have un-subbed. This is the G÷tterdSmmerung of EVE, the protests in the Trade hubs are the Death Ride of the bittervets, EVE as we know it is finished.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:53:00 -
[2259]
I think my opinion of all of this as a member of the CSM is well laid out in a blog post I wrote after this devblog came out:
Quote: I woke up this morning to find the forums even more afire with rage about Incarna, the "Fearless" newsletter, and the Virtual Goods store. I could tell in a few minutes that I wasn't going to get anything else done today.
"I can't work today, dear," I told my wife, "EVE is on fire."
"**** on EVE, then", she replied.
"I would, if I thought it would help."
So, I've spent most of the last 12 hours answering player questions, trying to give CCP good feedback on the issues, trying to get them to see how bad things have gotten. My fellow CSMs were doing the same.
Late in the day, we were presented with a draft devblog, and asked to comment on it. With the exception of the removal of a rather unfortunate analogy, that draft was essentially identical to what was just published.
None of CSM's concerns -- the ones the players were asking about -- were addressed; in particular:
* Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?
* Will CCP change their virtual goods pricing strategy?
* Will the CQ remain optional, or will it eventually be forced on the players?
To say that CSM is disappointed by the contents of this devblog would be an understatement. Incredulous is more like it.
Based on the devblog, and my impressions from the conversations I have had in recent days, it is my opinion that CCP has decided upon a strategy with respect to virtual goods and Incarna, and that they are going to fearlessly implement it regardless of feedback from CSM or the players.
Our words, and yours, appear worthless. Only our actions may have weight.
Of all of the questions CSM raised when we were shown the draft, the key one is the first: "Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?"
And I must be honest and say that CCP's steadfast refusal to answer that question is extremely disturbing, because all they have to do to defuse this crisis is publicly state that they will honor the understanding made with the players and the CSM that they would not introduce game-influencing vanity goods.
I may think the rollout of the NEX has been comically inept, but $70 monocles -- or $700 laser-equipped monocles -- do not affect the core of the game.
I may think that enforcing CQ use is stupid from both a PR and a game-design standpoint, but that's a long-term issue that can be thrashed out.
But non-vanity MT will damage -- perhaps fatally -- the social cohesion that is the "secret sauce" of EVE. We don't play EVE because of the great game mechanics, or the wonderful UI -- we play it despite these things, because EVE provides a depth of social interaction that no other game provides.
Take that away, and why play anymore?
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Tuhikya
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:54:00 -
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CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?: [ ] YES [ ] NO
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Dylatar
Gallente Ocean Eleven
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:54:00 -
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First to say: I play Eve now since May 2004, a few months later I opened a 2nd account, followed by another two in 2006. I like Eve, because it's a complex game, with wide variations of possible styles to play it.
My opinion on the important points is as followed:
1. CQ: Ok, its a beginning. Incarna will be a very big expansion, and I understand why CCP starts the intrudoction at a low level. CQ is to introduce the ne code, new UI, eliminating first bugs. Better bring it step by step than all at once and messing the game technically up. Sure, CQ brings nearly no new functionallity, mostly just new fancy graphics, which is nice, but not needed to play Eve. But I agree with people who demand a function to turn CQ off because of performance reasons. I usually play Eve on 2-3 PCs, so I have no performance issues on my machines with a maximum of 2 clients on it (1x Core i7 2600K, 16 GB, Nvidia GTX260, 1x Core2Quad 6600, 8 GB, ATI 4850, 1x Core i7 920, 6 GB, Nvidia GTX260). So my graphics hardware is not old, but also not the newest and not highend, and it runs fine on it.
But for the game-flow it would be better, if you can dock, without your char leaving the ship. How often you dock, just for a small break, to refill ammo, to make small fitting changes for missions? Just reintroduce the old hangar view with all its functions, and place a button to "leave ship / board ship" on the station services icon bar. Additional there may be an option to "dock and leave ship" to the "dock" function in the menu. When there is more reason to leave the ship, when we can really walk on stations an do some things later, more people will do so.
2. NEx as it is now: At the moment, I really don't care about NEx. Why? Just to get my char another shirt or another pair of pants, ok, the idea is nice. But as now, I spend nearly 625 EUR per year for my 4 accounts. Yes, I am a paying subscriber, I don't buy PLEX for ISK. So I sure will never pay about 10% or more of my yearly cost to play Eve, just to get that fancy stuff. Sure some people will do that, but not the masses. It's a nice-to-have, but not at this costs. The pain level for the highest acceptable price for such items is very very well below that. In my opinion it would be about 10% of the actual levels, and then we still talk about clothing in price range of a battlecruiser. Prices higher than that, completely kill my interest for that. It's like attaching a bodykit to my car. Sure, looks good, but has no real use. Pricing decides if I would do it or leave it.
[continued in 2nd post]
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:55:00 -
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Matas Kyler
Minmatar Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.25 11:58:00 -
[2263]
I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.
Because you think you've cleared anything with such an empty blog post ?
The vacuity of your post is... Wow ! I lack English vocabulary.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Of all of the questions CSM raised when we were shown the draft, the key one is the first: "Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?"
And I must be honest and say that CCP's steadfast refusal to answer that question is extremely disturbing
More than anything else this. I was sure where their position was but now I am "not sure". I don't really care so much about the pricing thing for dollies cause I figure if they want to charge 70 bucks rl for a monocle and somebody wants to pay that then 'heh' but no big deal cause if you don't want one you can just chuckle at those who do. That we've specifically asked for a public "we are not going to go to gold ammo for spaceships" and not received this is disturbing. This whole controversy is dumb and unnecessary and should have received a quick reassuring denial.
Unless there's something to this.
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Terh Rumnatarn
Caldari Research School of Astronomy and Astrophysics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:00:00 -
[2265]
Originally by: Parleion
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=15#447 - CCP Manifest says the plan in reaction to this ridiculous nonsense is a change in direction. That's not what this dev blog showed.
This. I got chills down my spine. 258 pages. This is bad and you aren`t healing it, CCP.
And what you did in that blog is even worse. At first I felt angry, now, just sad, cause I know where all this is going. I do want to keep playing EVE in this great community, please don`t spoil that.
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Grit Diaspora
Gallente Money Flow Index.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:01:00 -
[2266]
"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you." ù Friedrich Nietzsche
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Zief
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:02:00 -
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Call me crazy, but I don't think the correct response to player outrage is to be arrogant and not actually answer any of our questions. And calling yourself "fearless" and expecting us to just roll with it?
99% of your customer base is giving you the same feedback Zulu (even if some of it is meaningless nerdrage and threats, which we could do without) you need to clean your ears out and listen.
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justin666
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:08:00 -
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i hope people will start to realise that ccp really really really dont care about eve and never have and people wont accept the fact that ccp is a typical company who ignores players and just makes money of you and this patch has just proved it hence the massive up rise i hope ccp loose ALOT of money because of this because i have no respect at all for companys like ccp they make me sick !
people we need to start canceling our accounts and fast and kill off the population alot of us wont like it but we have to do it for ccp to get it into there thick heads that we dont play this game for there utterly stupid vision we play it for fun and we love blowing up spaceships
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Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:09:00 -
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I would like to echo peoples responses in that I really don't want to EVER see micro transactions for anything other than vanity Items.
and also Micro transactions!! its in the name guys you'd be best off adding a 0 to the amount a plex transfers to.
Also I like the idea of incarna it deepens the immersion of the game BUT SIMPLE SHIRTS AND OTHER ITEMS AT THE SAME PRICE OF A FACTION BS REALLY DOES BREAK THAT IMMERSION.
Thankyou ---
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Dylatar
Gallente Ocean Eleven
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:09:00 -
[2270]
[continued from above post]
3. NEx - where is it going?: The only point here is: whenever you are able to buy advantages against other players in game with real money, I quit playing Eve. That absolutely would kill competition, and extremly disadvantages people who can't afford it. No faction standings, no skillpoints have to be seeded through NEx, thats an absolute no-go.
Ok, there might be people who say, me for example, after playing Eve for 7 years, is strongly advanced against beginners. My two main chars have both about 130 mil SP yet, and no newer player could ever catch me. That might be true for the overall SP, but not in terms of specialization. Also most time my advantage may only be about 5% per skill, because most skills are trained fast to level 4. But on the other hand I already spent that 7 years on that 2 accounts, and I already payed that 7 years. I just calculate with actual subsribing costs, real amount will be less because it was a bit cheaper in the past. But only for this 2 accounts I already payed about 2100 EUR to CCP, for seven years of playing (and skill training). If I take my 2 newer 2006 accounts into calculation, then I payed additional 1500 EUR, so we come to a total of 3.600 EUR.
I can understand, if a newer player says "oh and I want that item and that, and that skills, and I could afford to buy it with real money". But .... if anybody could to that, it would make playing the game, developing a char, "work" for your achievments .... pointless. So that would be the break point for me to say, I see no further reason to play Eve. Thats why we (at least most people) hate bots, macros and ISK sellers. It's tolerated and allowed to trade PLEX, which already has an impact to the game, but may be a way for people to play Eve who can't afford a payed subsription.
Also aquiring items for real money will ahve impact on the mineral (or other components) market. Because it will lower demand for it. But my points above are the more important I think.
So what does my thoughts mean for me? That means quitting Eve now would be overreacted, for me. But NEx is a tool, that could be implemented in a very negative way for the further development of the game. I don't want to compete with other people with EUR or $. No way. Well I'm not poor, not rich. But there's no fun in buying advantages against others. And I play Eve for the fun. When the fun goes, I will go too. The point is: when somebody wins a competition against me (PvP, market or anything else) than I can change my strategy, work on my skills, whatever it needs, win the next competition, and can be proud, have the feeling I deserved it. If I could buy my success, can I be proud of it? Absolutely: no.
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Desmond Takobaru
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:14:00 -
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CCP Zulu calls it NeX, other call it NEx. I am confused. Maybe I need a monocle to study this further.
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Krod Mandoon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:15:00 -
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2 Points.... 1 for the ragers 1 for CCP
First, to the ragers... CALM DOWN geez... I don't see what everyone is crying about. You're all upset because people can buy some stupid clothes for their toons? Toons that are stuck in one room and no one else can see?!?! There is no grounds to believe that the NEX will sell special ships or anything (yet) If you're that damn dumb for buying the 70 dollar monocle...then god bless, you and CCP...they desserve your money, for being to silly to hold on to it. As for the fear that people can buy ships with real money... uhm... WE DO THAT EVERDAY ALL ACROSS EVE!!! 1 PLEX = 19.99. A Dodixie buy order = about 355 mil. Lets round that plex to a nice even 20. 355 mil divided by 20 = 17.5 mil, or in other words an Abaddon which costs something about 145 mil, divided by 17.5mil per dollar = 8.28 dollars. SO if CCP lets stupid people drop 10 dollars on a dominix who friggen cares?!!?!?!? If they let you pay 20 to Re-paint your ship w/e color you want Why is that bad? I direct your attention to uhmmmmm EVERY OTHER MMO ON THE PLANET where it is possible to pay a fee in order to customize your toon.
Now CCP I think your big problem with the playerbase isn't selling cosmetics.... it's the lack of a response to the fear, that you may go a further step and allow people to buy skill points, and such. To put in a players perspective, I've been playing for almost 4 years, I am proud that my time and dedication, has led to my main toon being able to fly Just about Every Ship fit every type and size of turret in T2, and other such things. I'm proud that I had the stick-to-it-iveness (it's a word now) to train gallente Battleship to 5 and fly my beautiful Megathron based ships with full power and features. I'm proud of my hull tanking elite certificate, it provided many lulz, but if somebody with 400 bucks to burn can sit in front of eve and have all those things in 1 day.... I will be very very upset and probably quit just like I did when Champions online went down microtransaction road. If you want to sell a SKILL BOOK for money... fine anything I can buy on the market I can buy by selling a Plex, that I bought with money anyway. But Do NOT sell SP for the love of God... additionally the players fear about premium usable items are well founded. Why should one player have an advantage because he has more money IRL?? So he can by the premium booster and premium ammo and premium ship, when we have invested the last 8 years of time and effort? No way, I call BullS*** on that idea, please tell us that there will not be special aurum only usable items, tell us now so we can stock up on ships to gank every special aurum only ship we see....
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Frank Corncob
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:20:00 -
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If I admired someone who bought $1000 jeans I would be admiring their vast wealth, not the fact they bought $1000 jeans.
I would actually ridicule them for buying such an overpriced pair of pants.
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Dan Estrellas Amigo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Desmond Takobaru CCP Zulu calls it NeX, other call it NEx. I am confused. Maybe I need a monocle to study this further.
In the game it is presented graphically as "NeX". Capitalising "Noble Exchange" however would lead us to "NEx".
At this point I don't think people respect it enough to consider consistency anyway.
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Tester128
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:20:00 -
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So, they sold 50 monocles and lost 1000 subscriptions in two days. It's a clear win, what could possibly go wrong with monocles?
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Tyby
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:20:00 -
[2276]
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
lol this is something like pising on someone then telling him it's raining....
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Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 25/06/2011 12:23:59
In RL I'm one of the few worldwide recognized professionals on crisis management. I play EVE since 6 years now, and it is disturbing how consequently EVE ignores everything what is best practice on crisis communication. The only real problem CCP had over the years were reputation disasters, and up to today, they ignore to learn how to deal with such professionally.
I played Ultima Online for seven years before I switched to EVE. Probably it will be this seven years thing again, what is said to end many marriages ...
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BR Link
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:25:00 -
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To those going on about how all of this is an over-reaction:
Firstly, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Ours differs and we're entitled to that too. Both sides would do well to remember that. Secondly, consider this: A lot of the anger comes not from monocles, not from CQ, not from potential future plans or broken promises, but from the way the FEARLESS newsletter, blog and email show a troubling trend. No, not that CCP wants more profit - they're a company and that's a given - but that they are wildly out of touch with not only their player base, but the world in general. $1000 dollar pants don't buy you status amongst EVE players, they buy you ridicule. This isn't "predictable feedback", if it was they wouldn't have felt the need to issue a statement or an apology.
So, if the email that's been leaked is real, and CCP are looking at what players DO rather than what they say, isn't it perfectly reasonable for people to cancel subscriptions? Over 1500 accounts have been cancelled according to these forums, equating to over $22,000 in lost cash over a single month.
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ko4e
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:28:00 -
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the blog was useless, a waste of my time reading.
those questions that blog talks about, are nothing to do with the protest, we don't care how much things cost.
WE WANT TO KNOW IS AUR IS GOING TO BE USED FOR SHIPS AND GAMECHANGING items/options
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Tester128
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:29:00 -
[2280]
Originally by: BR Link To those going on about how all of this is an over-reaction:
Firstly, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Ours differs and we're entitled to that too. Both sides would do well to remember that. Secondly, consider this: A lot of the anger comes not from monocles, not from CQ, not from potential future plans or broken promises, but from the way the FEARLESS newsletter, blog and email show a troubling trend. No, not that CCP wants more profit - they're a company and that's a given - but that they are wildly out of touch with not only their player base, but the world in general. $1000 dollar pants don't buy you status amongst EVE players, they buy you ridicule. This isn't "predictable feedback", if it was they wouldn't have felt the need to issue a statement or an apology.
So, if the email that's been leaked is real, and CCP are looking at what players DO rather than what they say, isn't it perfectly reasonable for people to cancel subscriptions? Over 1500 accounts have been cancelled according to these forums, equating to over $22,000 in lost cash over a single month.
dude, but 50 monocles can't be wrong
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:30:00 -
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We should start a donation drive to get zulu some pants.
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Gorben
Caldari G-Force Just a Bunch Of Corporations
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:31:00 -
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I'm just wondering why CCP is introducing vanety items already? The only place you can see these items is in the mirror in your CQ.
I'm not gonna buy me a 1000$ jeans(as CCP Zulu stated in his post)to look good in the mirror but to be looked at by other people/players.
So i think those vanety items are introduced to soon.
And so what if some one wants to pay thousants of dollars to look good ,learn faster or show off and get killed in a nicely painted ship ?
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Klokwerks
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Klokwerks on 25/06/2011 12:32:13 I can't believe how out-of-touch CCP is. Every other statement of theirs adds more insult to injury. This sums everything up very well: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:32:00 -
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ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?: [ X ] YES [ X ] NO [ X ] MAYBE [ XX ] AFRAID TO TELL [ XXX ] SCARED SHTTLESS [ XXXX ] I WANT MY MOMMY
The answer!
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Le Ming
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:34:00 -
[2285]
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. [...]
Prices are way too high, seriously.
Anything above 5$ i would not call a MICROtransaction. You didn't get the point of MICROtransactions - make small fees and make payment easy, so that ppl will buy it without thinking too much. Before they realize, they've spent more money than they initially wanted to. This is how the appstore works, just as an example. With prices that high, you totally failed in terms of micropayments/microtransactions. (btw. if 20-50$ is "micro" to you, i'd like to apply for a job at your company, for real.)
The way it is right now, it just looks like a total rip-off, sorry. :( Not talking about, that these items can get blown up.
See, i'd like to give new clothes to my character to make her look cool and unique. But there's no freakin way i'm going to invest somewhat 100 bucks on that. Never ever! And lucky as i always am, i get blown up and the money is down the drain - on top of implants, ship, equip + clone. Party on!
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Professor Shinn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Shinn on 25/06/2011 12:36:44
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44 A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.
Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?
EXACTLY! And yes it is in caps cause I was SHOUTING!
My friends and I am all considering canceling accounts now. We are certainly not spending any more of our hard earned cash on PLEX when the short term viability of this game is being questioned...
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hitomi sun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:37:00 -
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I understand what evrybody is on about , but ...except for QC nothing is beeing forced on you , you don't like incarna? go explore wormholes or something , there's enough to do on eve to not be bothered by an expansion And btw , maybe to lighten up the mood around here and say what nobody is saying Captain Qaurters is looking like a gem and the animations on the character are all lovely
P.S CCP all you need to do is take a step back , look at your game , and use your logic , evrybody has it.
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Majmuna
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:38:00 -
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I am still amazed at the level of the ignorance - how come the CCP STILL did not provide the one simple answer to the one simple question?
WILL OR WILL YOU NOT GO BEYOND THE VANITY ITEMS?
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Teako
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:40:00 -
[2289]
Originally by: Majmuna I am still amazed at the level of the ignorance - how come the CCP STILL did not provide the one simple answer to the one simple question?
WILL OR WILL YOU NOT GO BEYOND THE VANITY ITEMS?
Because the truth is yes they will. However to say yes right now is a bad move.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow I think my opinion of all of this as a member of the CSM is well laid out in a blog post I wrote after this devblog came out:
Quote: I woke up this morning to find the forums even more afire with rage about Incarna, the "Fearless" newsletter, and the Virtual Goods store. I could tell in a few minutes that I wasn't going to get anything else done today.
"I can't work today, dear," I told my wife, "EVE is on fire."
"**** on EVE, then", she replied.
"I would, if I thought it would help."
So, I've spent most of the last 12 hours answering player questions, trying to give CCP good feedback on the issues, trying to get them to see how bad things have gotten. My fellow CSMs were doing the same.
Late in the day, we were presented with a draft devblog, and asked to comment on it. With the exception of the removal of a rather unfortunate analogy, that draft was essentially identical to what was just published.
None of CSM's concerns -- the ones the players were asking about -- were addressed; in particular:
* Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?
* Will CCP change their virtual goods pricing strategy?
* Will the CQ remain optional, or will it eventually be forced on the players?
To say that CSM is disappointed by the contents of this devblog would be an understatement. Incredulous is more like it.
Based on the devblog, and my impressions from the conversations I have had in recent days, it is my opinion that CCP has decided upon a strategy with respect to virtual goods and Incarna, and that they are going to fearlessly implement it regardless of feedback from CSM or the players.
Our words, and yours, appear worthless. Only our actions may have weight.
Of all of the questions CSM raised when we were shown the draft, the key one is the first: "Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?"
And I must be honest and say that CCP's steadfast refusal to answer that question is extremely disturbing, because all they have to do to defuse this crisis is publicly state that they will honor the understanding made with the players and the CSM that they would not introduce game-influencing vanity goods.
I may think the rollout of the NEX has been comically inept, but $70 monocles -- or $700 laser-equipped monocles -- do not affect the core of the game.
I may think that enforcing CQ use is stupid from both a PR and a game-design standpoint, but that's a long-term issue that can be thrashed out.
But non-vanity MT will damage -- perhaps fatally -- the social cohesion that is the "secret sauce" of EVE. We don't play EVE because of the great game mechanics, or the wonderful UI -- we play it despite these things, because EVE provides a depth of social interaction that no other game provides.
Take that away, and why play anymore?
Just come out and say it mate: CCP flat out lied to you and us.
They intend to introduce power MT is soon as they can sc**** the code together. Their refusal to deny it is all the confirmation we need. (Not that I'd even believe a denial from them by now.)
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Dylatar
Gallente Ocean Eleven
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:42:00 -
[2291]
Originally by: Le Ming
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. [...]
Prices are way too high, seriously.
Anything above 5$ i would not call a MICROtransaction. You didn't get the point of MICROtransactions - make small fees and make payment easy, so that ppl will buy it without thinking too much. Before they realize, they've spent more money than they initially wanted to. This is how the appstore works, just as an example. With prices that high, you totally failed in terms of micropayments/microtransactions. (btw. if 20-50$ is "micro" to you, i'd like to apply for a job at your company, for real.)
The way it is right now, it just looks like a total rip-off, sorry. :( Not talking about, that these items can get blown up.
See, i'd like to give new clothes to my character to make her look cool and unique. But there's no freakin way i'm going to invest somewhat 100 bucks on that. Never ever! And lucky as i always am, i get blown up and the money is down the drain - on top of implants, ship, equip + clone. Party on!
Well I agree with you in the main point, the pricing. But thats not the real problem. By the way, AFAIK clothes won't get destroyed when you get podded while weraing them. Maybe costum ship paintings won't get lost too if/when they get introduced. But pricing is not a problem for clothes or paintings. They don't have impact on the game mechanics, structure, or any other player, they just look good (or not). So I really don't care if somebody will spend (much) real money on such things if he wants to. If it's too expensive for me, I don't want it and don't need it.
The concern is the possible trade of non-vanity items, which will directly have impact to the game, and giving the buyer an advantage over somebody who don't want, or can't afford to buy it.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Majmuna I am still amazed at the level of the ignorance - how come the CCP STILL did not provide the one simple answer to the one simple question?
WILL OR WILL YOU NOT GO BEYOND THE VANITY ITEMS?
They already have!
Dust 514 is MT based with no sub. Dust Bunnies can buy advantages with $$$. Dust Bunnies will impact Eve 0.0 Sov mechanics.
Add it all up and this is what you get:
$$$$$ for advantages in Eve! CCP has invested too much in Dust to reverse course on MT in Eve. What they are doing now is climatizing the player base to MT in general. It will evolve as we get closer to the release of Dust.
Ultimately they will go full blown MT.
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Hume Smith
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:44:00 -
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@ CCP Zulu - what a sorry excuse for "adressing issues"!!!
CCP needs a reality check
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Majmuna
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:44:00 -
[2294]
Originally by: Lucia Commodo Sorry guys (players that is), but you've all been spoilt by a very good game company and instead of having some degree of trust based on 8 years of excellent work by these guys you're all screaming because of an internal memo taken out of context.
Quit. Go play a Sony game where they invest nothing in it except life support and then shut it down. Go play Darkfall where you're lucky to see one half-arsed expac a year full of bugs and poorly thought out mechanisms. Go play SWG - oh no, you can't, they're shutting it down. Go play pretty much any other game with no depth.
You're like children screaming at their parents without realising what everyone else's parents are like. These guys are seriously cool compared to most Devs. They play their game, they talk in normal language, they have vision and commitment.
Damn, you know what? There is nothing worse about EVE than there was a week ago. In fact, I think many would argue that Incarna marks the very first step in making EVE an even better game.
Seriously, just get a grip. If you scream and rant about things which haven't even happened you'll die from a heart attack by the time you're my age.
Sorry, Lucia, but I am extremely interested in knowing whether or not the non-vanity items will be introduced. If so, i will stop playing EVE, because I don't see any reason in playing it anymore - if you can just buy stuff, why bother doing things? And that's why I am posting here, raging in Jita, and that's why your argument has actually no real merit for me. Because I am not interested in funding the development of a game i will not play, a game where thick wallet can buy gameplay affecting bonuses.
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Frosteye
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:44:00 -
[2295]
Originally by: Frank Corncob If I admired someone who bought $1000 jeans I would be admiring their vast wealth, not the fact they bought $1000 jeans.
I would actually ridicule them for buying such an overpriced pair of pants.
CCP - THIS SUMS IT ALL UP PERFECTLY!!!!!!
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isca
Gallente Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:45:00 -
[2296]
So, 81 pages into the threadnaught, a token response from ccp zulu, 'revelations' from an allegedly leaked ccp email and no response?
You guys shouldn't be going away for the weekend, you should be monitoring what's going on here and at least, once and for all, putting to bed the MT for ingame advantage issue.
Unbelieveable
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Phey Onat
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:47:00 -
[2297]
CCP, all you have to do to quell this uproar is proclaim that no MT will involve anything beyond vanity items in eve. Why can't you just say that? Is it because you actually do want to expand beyond vanity items??
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Dinta Zembo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:48:00 -
[2298]
Originally by: Phey Onat CCP, all you have to do to quell this uproar is proclaim that no MT will involve anything beyond vanity items in eve. Why can't you just say that? Is it because you actually do want to expand beyond vanity items??
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Lumen Cain
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:57:00 -
[2299]
Edited by: Lumen Cain on 25/06/2011 12:58:27
Originally by: Dinta Zembo
Originally by: Phey Onat CCP, all you have to do to quell this uproar is proclaim that no MT will involve anything beyond vanity items in eve. Why can't you just say that? Is it because you actually do want to expand beyond vanity items??
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^ also - 1 more this runs out in 4 days, no way im renewing without an answer
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Eliniale
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:58:00 -
[2300]
I grow ever more saddened. I orginally considered this whole thing a good joke, then i went to disbelief abotu this not being a joke, anger that you seem to actually plan to sell SP for RL money, and currently i'm not even able to feel anger anymore, just so damn sad.
The game company who I considered to be the best company out there, despite being one of the smaller companies (or maybe because of), seems to be having a race on how to undo their succes as fast as possible. I'm truly at a loss, both for words and consequences.
My account is prepaid, and i've got another 6 months left, but the way things are looking now, these will be my last 6 months in eve. Not a happy thought
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 12:59:00 -
[2301]
Originally by: Le Ming
Quote: People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. [...]
Prices are way too high, seriously.
Anything above 5$ i would not call a MICROtransaction. You didn't get the point of MICROtransactions - make small fees and make payment easy, so that ppl will buy it without thinking too much. Before they realize, they've spent more money than they initially wanted to. This is how the appstore works, just as an example. With prices that high, you totally failed in terms of micropayments/microtransactions. (btw. if 20-50$ is "micro" to you, i'd like to apply for a job at your company, for real.)
The way it is right now, it just looks like a total rip-off, sorry. :( Not talking about, that these items can get blown up.
See, i'd like to give new clothes to my character to make her look cool and unique. But there's no freakin way i'm going to invest somewhat 100 bucks on that. Never ever! And lucky as i always am, i get blown up and the money is down the drain - on top of implants, ship, equip + clone. Party on!
This, when they talked about micro, I was imagining stuff priced for about 1 to 5 dollar...
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:03:00 -
[2302]
yea, BTW...SWG is death (canceled today).
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Amalie Lautreck
Noctiscion Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:03:00 -
[2303]
Well, I'm guessing the Fearless was a strategical leak by CCP. "Have the storm pass before we put the boat on the water etc."
As stated many times elsewhere, the main issue seem to be that u last november (or something) stated publicly that the shop would only present vanity items and not items/sevices that give players an edge when concerning game mechs.
The fact that CCP refused to answer the CSM on the subject (CSM says) or denounce it during this storm, I read as "Anything goes in the shop" on a long term. And that I suspect will ruin the game for me. I might pay a few bucks for a paint job on a ship (I'd have to be drunk, but that happends), but not to get an edge besides aura.
EVE is a game. A friggin' good game, but this move I suspect will leave it to the spoiled kids. Personally I have a steady job which pays above average. So I know the value of RL cash. And I need to get away from that from time to time. And if the the kids beat me every time I play, 'cause their dad earns more than me... Well, u get the picture right?
As for the pitchforks; yer playerbase cares about yer product. And when someone threatens something u care about, expect the mob to throw them at the fire. "Safety is a luxury" -Red Harvest |
Eliniale
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:03:00 -
[2304]
Originally by: Toovhon Congratulations on your utter failure to address Incarna being the worst expansion ever released by CCP.
CQ are useless (inefficient as a UI, movement controls are unresponsive and limited, camera doesn't rotate with character, etc) and you give a giant finger to everyone disabling it by replacing the old highly functional docking port with a dull metal wall that does nothing.
Plus even five year old 3D games run 100 times faster and cooler than CQ, display a hell of a lot more in a far larger and more detailed space, and look twice as good.
New turret icons are dull muddy blobs that are very hard to tell apart, or even see next to targets against the darkness of space.
Large numbers of pre-existing bugs remain unaddressed, e.g. crashing while jumping when tabbed out of fullscreen, item bonuses not displaying/working right, etc.
I could go on, but the point is that saying Incarna "is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous" represents a giant disconnect with reality.
it's a bit like the god doesn't exists discussion, where a believer will state that's the opinion of the disbeliever.
Currently CCP seems to be a believer of it's own rightness.
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Ginny Xuun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:05:00 -
[2305]
Originally by: Lumen Cain Edited by: Lumen Cain on 25/06/2011 12:58:27
Originally by: Dinta Zembo
Originally by: Phey Onat CCP, all you have to do to quell this uproar is proclaim that no MT will involve anything beyond vanity items in eve. Why can't you just say that? Is it because you actually do want to expand beyond vanity items??
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^ also - 1 more this runs out in 4 days, no way im renewing without an answer
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Raging Beaver
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:10:00 -
[2306]
I'll try to approach this matter differently for you to see that it's not going to be that bad.
1. And foremost, buying AUR for PLEX is NOT buying them for REAL CASH! Why? Because you can acquire a plex for ISK! The prices of the (so far only) vanity items are through the roof, and if ANYONE buys a 3d model with a texture for +60$ or euro, I'll laugh my ass off. Note for CCP: I don't care about my avatar or the way my ships look AT ALL! This is why you will find that CQ is disabled in my client, and I have recustomized the toon only once (and went for "random" on the other 2).
2. "If you could buy gold ammo for AUR..." - I wouldn't mind. Why? Let's go back a couple of discussions earlier. CCP are in need of an ISK sink, right? What better sink than making players buy a plex (350-380kk ISK after all) just to NOT add the time to their account but to... exchange it for AUR? That 350-380kk ISK (PLEX) is right now out of the game, isn't it? And even better, noone can extend their account for it! So we get an ISK sink AND a PLEX sink. Wonderful, isn't it? (CCP perspective, not necessarily mine but I'm not raging... or am I... )
3. If the tendency to have the possibility of selling the goods they offer in NeX on the market or using contracts/direct trade remains, then there's even less to worry about. The "gold ammo" mentioned previously will just sooner or later spring up and you'll be able to buy it without wasting the PLEX (you can be sure that the prices will be ridiculous when it does but hey, remember the noctis?...). And if you think that even with this you are at a disadvantage - just go to nullsec, grind 10 sanctums, buy a PLEX, redeem it... voila, you're not anymore...
4. Skillpoints or faction standings for AUR (which in turn is PLEX, which in turn is ISK - this is my perspective, I don't and I never will buy the GTC - 2x PLEX - for ANYTHING other than extending the game time) is actually a thing that I would like. Fu...ing Gallente would finally stop shooting at one of my alts in highsec. Skillpoints? I'd probably be flying those Amarr T2s much sooner if you could buy SP's for a PLEX. That's of course only if the exchange rate would be attractive (I kind of doubt they will after the now infamous monocle appeared).
Now go! Attack me! Grind me to the dirt with your rage! But be mindful, that if CCP actually wants to introduce stuff like that, there WILL BE CUSTOMERS and you WILL NOT be listened to, AT ALL!
Hugs and kisses!
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Vincent Jarjadian
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:10:00 -
[2307]
I am really sad that CCP is being so stupid at the moment...
CCP Needs to appease their rather large community that they wont put non vanity MTs into EVE.... If EVE dies... DUST 524 dies and probably some of their other games die... in the end CCP will loose a lot of business...
They also need to realise that they make more dollars selling something easily reproducable like ingame items at a LOW price to lots of people.... supposedly they sold 50 monicles in 2 days... if they had been $0.60 CCP would have likely sold hundreds of thousands of them...
Also... Microtransactions.... I think this is RICHPPLONLYtransactions...
I know people who have been paying for EVE... either paying RL money or ISK for their accounts that are now leaving...
CCP... you are going to LOOSE MONEY if you dont buck up and start listening and responding to your customers...
There is an old saying... 'The Customer Is ALWAYS Right.' and it certainly applies to EVE.
As for the incidents in the past few months... Lack of consultation of the CSM (aparently), Major nerfs to 0.0 life, and now this...
Maybe it's time for CCP to find a new director for EVE Online... One who will continue to make lots of money for CCP and give the customers a game that is as great as EVE was. If the current trends continue... EVE will fall and the days of 1000+ battles and alliances will end.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:11:00 -
[2308]
Originally by: Malcanis
Just come out and say it mate: CCP flat out lied to you and us.
They intend to introduce power MT is soon as they can sc**** the code together. Their refusal to deny it is all the confirmation we need. (Not that I'd even believe a denial from them by now.)
Imma be political and say "We're waiting for clarification".
Our position on this has been crystal clear (and fairly loud). We don't care about pay for dollies and I personally don't care if they blew the entire pricing structure cause it's not a feature I have any interest in at all and it has no in game impact. If you wanna blow your rl fortune to look pretty then I'll be chuckling at your pretty ass as I blow you up.
We expect there to be a definitive statement clearing up their intentions and stating for the record that they won't be going to a pay for things that matter platform or else **** be about to get uncomfortable in here.
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Tester128
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:13:00 -
[2309]
according to the spreadsheet https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AtUHbyNk0JSGdHR1TDhrRVhhQTUzLUMyVTNZdjJUaHc&output=html
ccp just lost 2000 subscriptions in two days it's about 300k$ per year. Good job CCP
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Helen Hunts
Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:14:00 -
[2310]
W T F
New turrets and effects are nice and all, and the bouncing off the walls in a small room wasn't so bad...
Killing off (banning) the old vets (AND CONTENT MAKERS) who have a legitimate reason to be angered... Can't say that I'm all that thrilled with the whole situation either.
My sub is up in 10 days. I guess I don't need to worry about finding that next PLEX anymore. Pity, I never thought I'd be one to make an "I quit" post. _______________________________
Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money.
Any Questions? |
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Ginny Xuun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:14:00 -
[2311]
Originally by: Rozovoy Floyd Recovering from this point is not going to be easy, but also isn't impossible.
This, so much this.
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Snake Johnson
Gallente JOVE INC
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:17:00 -
[2312]
Originally by: Tester128 according to the spreadsheet https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AtUHbyNk0JSGdHR1TDhrRVhhQTUzLUMyVTNZdjJUaHc&output=html
ccp just lost 2000 subscriptions in two days it's about 300k$ per year. Good job CCP
Here's a template for the next devblog from ÇÇP: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=1220357
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:19:00 -
[2313]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow I think my opinion of all of this as a member of the CSM is well laid out in a blog post I wrote after this devblog came out:
Trebor, your blog link leads directly back to the post you just made....
relink please, as I'd like to read
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:23:00 -
[2314]
Originally by: Vjorn Angannon
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow I think my opinion of all of this as a member of the CSM is well laid out in a blog post I wrote after this devblog came out:
Trebor, your blog link leads directly back to the post you just made....
relink please, as I'd like to read
Oops, my bad. Even though it is just what I posted in the actual message here, here is the proper link.
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:28:00 -
[2315]
TY TY Trebor.....and now I have it bm'd
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Kasriel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:29:00 -
[2316]
Originally by: CCP Zulu People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes
No, you might be we aren't although while we're on the subject? we aren't talking about clothes either, we're talking about pixels, and the price of your pixels is flat out ******ed, this dev blog was poorly thought out, poorly delivered, is it any wonder it's poorly received? Funny thing is you've managed to **** me off with that "response" and I don't even CARE about the NEX store what i do care about is the GAME
I would suggest actually answering the questions that have been asked, if you somehow lack the ability to go find those questions HERE now instead of trying to spin it or ignore us or flat out lie to us (again..) try doing the right thing, you used to be able to do that just fine without 200 page threadnaughts, bad press and players exploding on the forums..
i've got three accounts, one has already lapsed, if CCP don't pull their collective heads out their asses in regards to engaging with the player base and listening to them the other two won't be being renewed
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Aoki Ayumi
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:31:00 -
[2317]
I have almost always trusted CCP with their decisions to make this game better. Incarna have a lot of bugs I am sure they will fix, maybe now, maybe later.
I like PLEX microtransactions, cause I have been able to pay my subscription thanks to it last 4 years.
But I don't like explicit microtransactions. Eve is not that way... CCP is not that way, and that Aurum thing is useless... we already have PLEX, stop there, eliminate aurum, and let things run as usual.
Just fix the Incarna bugs, try to make Incarna ligher for the computers (for the sake of God, it is a room, not a Crysis 2 scenary), and Eve will be as glorious as always.
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Generous Benefactor
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:32:00 -
[2318]
$1,000 for these Jeans!
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Benteen
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:33:00 -
[2319]
On actually READING the PDF file The ship fitting save slots for MT idea has some merits (I wouldn't buy it but that's because it's not going to be of much use to me, I use a pen and paper or a little piece of oft-overlooked software called Notepad). But it does concern me that one of the major issues people seem to have (as do I) has not been addressed by CCP to it's players, the possibility of items that change things like skill training speed, number of SP's, standings or better parts than anything a "normal" player can get with isk alone being released or in other words a "pay to get an advantage".
CCP you really need to address this a.s.a.p before you do an SOE and practically destroy the game we all love... The vocalisation by the players shows how much they care about the game... Don't let their time and effort building OUR characters be for nought by letting some jumped up overpaid moron get a distinct advantage due to the fact that they have a bigger real-world bank balance...
Real money should NEVER provide an advantage in a game, it'd be like trying to play Monopoly against Bill Gates using real money to buy what you need (totally unfair). I have no issue with MT for vanity items that can't be destroyed when worn (even though the prices are ludicrously high), but advantage giving items... HELL NO!
Also... CCP Zulu, if I didn't buy clothes I'd be naked, if I went out into the street naked i'd be arrested and charged with indecent exposure... so yes.. we DO HAVE TO BUY CLOTHES...
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Deja Thoris
Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:34:00 -
[2320]
I didn't read the responses but I hope, like me they think the senior producer is bat**** insane. I can picture him running around the office with his yellow stained underpants on your head cackling. (maybe you could sell them as a novelty item!)
I thought he reached the bottom when he tried to push through carrier changes that a braindead monkey would have been ashamed of, but once again he set the bar lower.
This post will probably quietly disappear or a ban will be issued. I couldn't really give a **** anymore. You are fast taking this game past the point of redemption and destroying a world many love and one that some devs worked hard to build.
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Joey Bags
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:35:00 -
[2321]
You know what? Charge as much as you'd like for vanity items. Monocle is more ISK than a dread? Good. I don't care. Make it cost twice as much to cover the other eye. What nobody wants is a pay to win button placed in EVE. Charging AUR for T3 ammo and ship will do that. AUR for skill points and standings will do that. AUR for special access to parts of game will do that. Unfortunately, to me, what the dev blog doesn't say is as meaningful to me as what it does. You know very specificaly what people are raging over, yet you only addressed the most minor of the general complaints. So we now know which direction the company is headed, exagerated or not, it's not the popular route. I understand the need to introduce new revenue from EVE to CCP, just not the method. Good luck, you'll need it because I believe your going to kill EVE.
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:35:00 -
[2322]
CCP you've failed to allay my fears that you will go to a micro transaction system that does not upset the balance of the game as it currently is.
You've also failed repeatedly in improving the overall experience of the game.
If I don't see something I like and fast, I will likely not continue to pay for my 5 accounts.
That is all.
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Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:39:00 -
[2323]
Seriously CCP... Are you HONESTLY, HONESTLYcomparing RL clothes to the textured 3D-models in your game? If that's how you are thinking then there is no way of helping you i'm sorry. You have now, after 5 long years, officially lost my trust in you.
Do you guys even realize that we a re paying you 15Ç per month to play EVE. That's about 800Ç total for one account from me. The ONLY and i mean ONLY reason i have accepted this high price is that i knew i'm getting EVERYTHING that EVE has to offer for it. I was happy, that, while every other MMO charges for updates, you wouldn't. I had those fixed costs per month and that's it.
I bet only 10-15% of EVE's population are willing to pay such horrendous prices for items which have no real value at all. 5% really don't care about clothes at all and i'm sure all the rest would be glad to have clothes if they weren't a rip-off like they are now.
I don't know if you realize this CCP, but your game has one great disadvantage over other MMOs on the market: It takes a frikking long time to achieve anything here. You NEED the veteran players. But i get the feeling your current strategy is to get as many NEW subscriptions as possible and not keep the old ones. This is very short-sighted and a typical american way of handling things nowadays (no offence intended).
Yes it brings you great revenues over a short time period but in the long run you will lose. Your game cannot be run by newbies alone. I bet if you look into your statistics you have noticed that most new players leave the game after a couple of months and never come back. And at the same time more and more veteran players get bored or in this case ****ed off by you and leave too.
You constantly advertise with 0.0 warfare and great battles and think that's the only thing that people want. But it isn't. The thing is, PVP is the only thing in this game which is exciting and unpredictable and promises continuing fun even after years of play. Everything else you brought in over the last years (exploration, wormholes, PI, incursions) gets repetitive really quickly (although wormhole-PVP is still exciting ^^). And don't get me started with mining or ratting.
Don't get me wrong: I personally was glad you were adding new stuff to our world and i'm sure there are many new players that welcome exploration, PI and Incursions. But for us vets this isn't enough and it's boring. We just HAVE to do it to make money or get items which you cannot get via other ways. That's not my definition of "fun", that's grinding.
With Incarna you are continuing to follow this path. Yes you are adding a whole new dimension to the game which adds alot of immersion and i'm very excited about it. But let's be honest: The only reason you're doing it is to make it easier to newer players to enter the world of EVE (again short-sighted) and to obviously cash in even more with vanity items. There will be nothing in incarna when it's done, that you can spend weeks and months playing with and still have fun doing it.
Apart from new effects and models which every serious PVPer is going to turn off anyway you have added nothing which adds excitement in the game. From our (veteran) point of view the only thing new is, that we now should pay you even more money than you already get for things which are essential for roleplayers and people who like to express themselves in EVE, but worthless for everytone else.
And you are wondering why everyone is so ****ed? You are spitting in the faces of all veterans who have supported you for years and wonder why we don't like it? |
Lurtz
Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:40:00 -
[2324]
Originally by: Krod Mandoon 2 Points.... 1 for the ragers 1 for CCP
First, to the ragers... CALM DOWN geez... I don't see what everyone is crying about. You're all upset because people can buy some stupid clothes for their toons? Toons that are stuck in one room and no one else can see?!?! There is no grounds to believe that the NEX will sell special ships or anything (yet) If you're that damn dumb for buying the 70 dollar monocle...then god bless, you and CCP...they desserve your money, for being to silly to hold on to it. As for the fear that people can buy ships with real money... uhm... WE DO THAT EVERDAY ALL ACROSS EVE!!! 1 PLEX = 19.99. A Dodixie buy order = about 355 mil. Lets round that plex to a nice even 20. 355 mil divided by 20 = 17.5 mil, or in other words an Abaddon which costs something about 145 mil, divided by 17.5mil per dollar = 8.28 dollars. SO if CCP lets stupid people drop 10 dollars on a dominix who friggen cares?!!?!?!?
Who friggin cares? The players that build domi's care. The ones that sell bpc on contracts care. the ones that mine and those that fight over belts care. When you sell a plex for isk, you aren't just giving rl money to ccp for ingame money, you are paying a player's subscription in return for them ratting/mining whatever a few hours for you. If MT allows items created out of thin air without player effort, then those fights over resources and markets mean nothing. Eve becomes pay to win.
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Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:41:00 -
[2325]
You are in debt now. Like many others i'm considering to stop paying for your game. It totally depends on you.
I WANT to be able to change clothes and make my character look like i want. But there is NO WAY i'm gonna pay you that much money for it. I'd be willing to pay 5Ç max for the most expensive things (e.g. monocles). That'd be absolutely fine with me and believe me you'd make more money with that pricing.
But that's only one thing. If you want me to play for another 5 years (which i would like to btw) then bring in stuff that is as exciting as PVP. Give me true space-exploration (like wormholes but not so repetitive), give me more incursion-like events (again not that repetitive), give me anything that cannot be described in a strategy book like: "First kill those 5 frigs, then kill this BS, ...". Give me unpredictable things (like incursions) which can happen everywhere, anytime no matter if you're prepared. Just make them intuitive.
Do you remember the npc logs from waaaaay back? When i found my first ones i was very excited to find a plex at the described location. Although i was dissapointed that those were static and you couldn't always find new ones :( . How about you reinvent something like this again? Just please let us search for it (not even probe, just give us a vague location). And make it dynamic. That way ratting could get more exciting again too. Everyone likes treasure hunts. It already worked kinda with exploration. Problem is exploration again is very repetitive...
Phew! I let off alot of steam. I hope i got some of you thinking. --------------------------------------------------
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:42:00 -
[2326]
Originally by: Ginny Xuun
Originally by: Rozovoy Floyd Recovering from this point is not going to be easy, but also isn't impossible.
This, so much this.
Because they've already been so hard at work placating the masses, amiright?
You think someone in CCP is going to wake up suddenly, days after the situation started raging out of control and say "Damn, we did that wrong, didn't we?"
They're going to wait for it all to blow over, then speed up the timetable on faster MT to replace lost revenue.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:46:00 -
[2327]
I'm just posting to point out my displeasure at the blog post. My reasons for being angered are already in the other threadnaught.
Personally, I think CCP Zulu should be asked to present his resignation on Monday morning. It's been pretty obvious he's a poor producer and not suited to his current role based on the last few patches and how he's handled it. CarbonUI broke things and it was expected, but the bug reports for it were made on SiSi showing there were major problems, it shouldn't have reached TQ in the state it did. Incarna obviously isn't ready for prime time on TQ with the CQ only being 25% present and non-optimised, let alone the lack of the interactivity promised for WiS. He's also pushed Incarna over actually fixing quite large problems with the main game, such as Supercaps or the whole shebang with Hybrids's niche being eaten into.
I feel most sorry for CCP Shadow though, as I can only presume the posts he made last June were due to him being lied to and then unknowingly passing it on, rather than him lying to us on purpose.
What we really need though is a response from Hilmar (CCP Hammer) or at least Nathan (CCP Oveur). --------------------------------- Go Web! Go! |
Lurtz
Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:46:00 -
[2328]
Originally by: Malcanis
They intend to introduce power MT is soon as they can sc**** the code together. Their refusal to deny it is all the confirmation we need. (Not that I'd even believe a denial from them by now.)
oh they've got the code already.... the newsletter makes it clear they were only concerned over how to pace it drop a frog into boiling water it'll jump out, but put it in lukewarm and boil it slowly and it'll never notice. That was the plan, bring it in slow enough that we would barely notice what was happening till it was too late.
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RU Sirius
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:48:00 -
[2329]
It's a pretty safe bet, no one of note is reading or interested in what we have to say in this or any other thread on the forums. All they will be interested in is if the net subscriptions over the next month go down or up and if anyone is buying anything from the NeX store.
Vote with your wallets and time: unsubscribe and don't log in if you have time left on your sub. Find something else to do.
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Benteen
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:48:00 -
[2330]
Originally by: Ulair Memmet You are in debt now. Like many others i'm considering to stop paying for your game. It totally depends on you.
I WANT to be able to change clothes and make my character look like i want. But there is NO WAY i'm gonna pay you that much money for it. I'd be willing to pay 5Ç max for the most expensive things (e.g. monocles). That'd be absolutely fine with me and believe me you'd make more money with that pricing.
But that's only one thing. If you want me to play for another 5 years (which i would like to btw) then bring in stuff that is as exciting as PVP. Give me true space-exploration (like wormholes but not so repetitive), give me more incursion-like events (again not that repetitive), give me anything that cannot be described in a strategy book like: "First kill those 5 frigs, then kill this BS, ...". Give me unpredictable things (like incursions) which can happen everywhere, anytime no matter if you're prepared. Just make them intuitive.
Do you remember the npc logs from waaaaay back? When i found my first ones i was very excited to find a plex at the described location. Although i was dissapointed that those were static and you couldn't always find new ones :( . How about you reinvent something like this again? Just please let us search for it (not even probe, just give us a vague location). And make it dynamic. That way ratting could get more exciting again too. Everyone likes treasure hunts. It already worked kinda with exploration. Problem is exploration again is very repetitive...
Phew! I let off alot of steam. I hope i got some of you thinking.
O.o I like the idea of putting the logs back in, I used to collect them (still got loads of them). Even without the PLEX hunting they gave you, I found the story they told when you put them together fun to read.
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Spike Larosse
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:52:00 -
[2331]
I'm here for the rage. How much does it cost?
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:52:00 -
[2332]
Edited by: Yeo San on 25/06/2011 13:52:54
Originally by: Lurtz [...] the newsletter makes it clear they were only concerned over how to pace it drop a frog into boiling water it'll jump out, but put it in lukewarm and boil it slowly and it'll never notice. That was the plan, bring it in slow enough that we would barely notice what was happening till it was too late.
absolutely right. they misjudged the temperature. if they hadn't pushed it that far, perhaps the community would have been calmer, but it's absolutely intolerable, what ccp zulu arrogantely uttered to this matter. bad manners lead to bad consequences.
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:53:00 -
[2333]
C.o.c.a.i.n.e is a helluva drug.
We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you.
/I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
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Krod Mandoon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:58:00 -
[2334]
Originally by: Lurtz
Originally by: Krod Mandoon 2 Points.... 1 for the ragers 1 for CCP
First, to the ragers... CALM DOWN geez... I don't see what everyone is crying about. You're all upset because people can buy some stupid clothes for their toons? Toons that are stuck in one room and no one else can see?!?! There is no grounds to believe that the NEX will sell special ships or anything (yet) If you're that damn dumb for buying the 70 dollar monocle...then god bless, you and CCP...they desserve your money, for being to silly to hold on to it. As for the fear that people can buy ships with real money... uhm... WE DO THAT EVERDAY ALL ACROSS EVE!!! 1 PLEX = 19.99. A Dodixie buy order = about 355 mil. Lets round that plex to a nice even 20. 355 mil divided by 20 = 17.5 mil, or in other words an Abaddon which costs something about 145 mil, divided by 17.5mil per dollar = 8.28 dollars. SO if CCP lets stupid people drop 10 dollars on a dominix who friggen cares?!!?!?!?
Who friggin cares? The players that build domi's care. The ones that sell bpc on contracts care. the ones that mine and those that fight over belts care. When you sell a plex for isk, you aren't just giving rl money to ccp for ingame money, you are paying a player's subscription in return for them ratting/mining whatever a few hours for you. If MT allows items created out of thin air without player effort, then those fights over resources and markets mean nothing. Eve becomes pay to win.
Oh, Honestly I don't build anything, I didn't look at it that way before. But I can't imagine CCP would let people remove player created items from the market with AUR without the seller receiving anything. Perhaps if AUR is used to purchase that ship, CCP will fill the lowest sell order in range, just as if the player had done it using isk on the market? Would it be acceptable then?
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CMD Bileena
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:01:00 -
[2335]
I very very rarely post on these forums. In fact I can't even recall the last time I did.
CQ doesn't bother me in the slightest, as I have a fairly decent gaming machine and more importantly, very rarely dock as I pirate out in WH space. So its not a concern for me at all... The same is true of vanity items, or their prices. If people want to spend their cash on thousands of pounds worth of dull skirts, that doesn't impact me at all.
What does bother me, in a very 'oh its time to leave' sort of way, is the thought of non-vanity items.. Be it special modules or abilities that will directly effect game play. I mean can you imagine trying to have an honest 1v1 with someone who can learn skills at twice you're speed, or has magical shiny 300%+ ammo, or a weird facial attachment that lets them gain an extra mid slot on any ship? (Who knows what they'll do) What bothers me even further, is the fact the question a lot of us are asking is not being answered. Which, to me, is an answer in itself.
I think everyone who feels the same as me, deep down knows its only a matter of time before they will be finding themselves looking for another game, which is a real shame.
I love Eve, I have done since I got into it properly... It is (was?) a unique experience that I can see being ruined very soon.
If you can turn this around CCP, then awesome .. myself and my toons (yes I talk to them in my head) will be happy... But, the realist in me, knows it'll be cancel time soon.
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Bobang Rasmataz
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:02:00 -
[2336]
Pc Gamer arnt too impressed
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-players-protest-against-monocle-pricesmicrotransactions-lasers-involved/
Ending the piece with a /Facepalm
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:03:00 -
[2337]
Originally by: Krod Mandoon
Originally by: Lurtz
Originally by: Krod Mandoon 2 Points.... 1 for the ragers 1 for CCP
First, to the ragers... CALM DOWN geez... I don't see what everyone is crying about. You're all upset because people can buy some stupid clothes for their toons? Toons that are stuck in one room and no one else can see?!?! There is no grounds to believe that the NEX will sell special ships or anything (yet) If you're that damn dumb for buying the 70 dollar monocle...then god bless, you and CCP...they desserve your money, for being to silly to hold on to it. As for the fear that people can buy ships with real money... uhm... WE DO THAT EVERDAY ALL ACROSS EVE!!! 1 PLEX = 19.99. A Dodixie buy order = about 355 mil. Lets round that plex to a nice even 20. 355 mil divided by 20 = 17.5 mil, or in other words an Abaddon which costs something about 145 mil, divided by 17.5mil per dollar = 8.28 dollars. SO if CCP lets stupid people drop 10 dollars on a dominix who friggen cares?!!?!?!?
Who friggin cares? The players that build domi's care. The ones that sell bpc on contracts care. the ones that mine and those that fight over belts care. When you sell a plex for isk, you aren't just giving rl money to ccp for ingame money, you are paying a player's subscription in return for them ratting/mining whatever a few hours for you. If MT allows items created out of thin air without player effort, then those fights over resources and markets mean nothing. Eve becomes pay to win.
Oh, Honestly I don't build anything, I didn't look at it that way before. But I can't imagine CCP would let people remove player created items from the market with AUR without the seller receiving anything. Perhaps if AUR is used to purchase that ship, CCP will fill the lowest sell order in range, just as if the player had done it using isk on the market? Would it be acceptable then?
Really? Does the IW Scorpion mean anything to you?
CCP tried to add a magically generated ship, the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, THIS very month.
No need for player generated anything, no need to mine, no need to buy anything. Give CCP cash, and they give you an instant ship. The writing has been on the wall for a while.
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Orpheus Ovid
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:11:00 -
[2338]
I do not really understand you pant comparison. People who play EVE Online do not purchase designer clothes. I usually do not make absolute statements like that, but I think I can say that safely. However, I don't really care what price you put on the vanity items, because I will not buy them. I am more concerned with game changing items like ships, ammo, and so on. I would much prefer you introduce new ships, ammo, and the like via the market or at least include them in the market. Have NEX sell Blueprints of clothes, ships and such and have them sell them. Create a career called fashion designer...that would explain fictionally how all these clothes came about. Anyways...
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:13:00 -
[2339]
From Zulu's own mouth.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=922
" Again, to be really clear; running a single client works fine on all hardware supported by us. This is a temporary solution for your convenience that we intend to solve more gracefully in future deployments. We are still determined to make Incarna a seamless part of the EVE experience so that one day there will be no Incarna, there will only be EVE.
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online"
Except it doesn't work on my medium spec PC.
Which makes you either a liar or a fool.
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Amoes Sten
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:14:00 -
[2340]
Edited by: Amoes Sten on 25/06/2011 14:15:13 Stop giving us sacrificial lambs and unapologetic devs.
Give us the truth straight from your mouth CCP. Anything else is completely unacceptable. Not soon. Now.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:17:00 -
[2341]
Originally by: Hilmar
ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8? Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(...)
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
You condescending prick! It's not change we fear! It's you breaking the game, we fear; you and your 'I would sell my mother for Aurum if I could, but let's keep it on the hush-list or the masses will get upset.' attitude. It's you not clearly and publicly distancing yourself from selling ingame advantages for Aurum, is what has us worried! And it's your utter disdain for your customers that has us upset.
Quote: We live in interesting times. (...) For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
Yes, they will. Mate, you are already the laughing stock of the entire gaming community, world wide!
And yes, "May you live in interesting times!" That's actually a Chinese curse. Go figure.
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Arya Greywolf
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:20:00 -
[2342]
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
ARE WE GETTING OUR OWN HANGER VIEW BACK WITH THE *PERMANENT* OPTION TO "DISEMBARK" VIA STATION BUTTON?
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:28:00 -
[2343]
Originally by: Riley Moore Nice dodging every issue.
^
w t f
You actually patted yourself on the back for Incarna Expansion and ignored EVERY issue people brought up about it?
Lame, seriously lammmmeeee -----------------
My EvE Comic
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Xarhariel
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:31:00 -
[2344]
...so I pay for a $1000 pair of jeans, the company goes bust, do I still have my jeans? Why yes, I do have my overpriced jeans.
I pay for a set of over priced jeans in Eve, the company goes bust do I still have my jeans? No I do not.
I'll grant you that an object is worth whatever someone is willing to pay, but I'm kinda getting the impression that the players think that these items are not worth what you (CCP) think they are worth. Which, doesn't really convince me that you chaps actually understand your player base.
Also, I'm a little dubious of the CCP's grasp on reality and of their idea of a "smooth and successful expansion". Are you saying that it was smooth and successful because it was half a day late? Or because in comparison with previous releases it wasn't fluffed up as badly? I appreciate that things go wrong when doing updates - but saying that it was smoother and more successful than previous releases where it went realllllyyyyy wrong, isn't something to be proud of. ("Hurrah! We didn't fail as much as we did previously!")
Anyway, hurrah for Incarna for it brought new turrets and a prettier ship!
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Lady Aphra
Ladies of Negotiable Affection
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:31:00 -
[2345]
It strikes me that CCP Zulu has been pushed into a corner, not by the players, but by his management line - somehow that blog just doesn't read right to me. Remember, the bad PR from all of this puts CCP jobs at risk - I don't believe such a high-handed, dismissive way of putting things would have been written in response to player concerns without pressure from above to keep it tightly "on message". I strongly suspect that, given how long it took to come out following CCP Pann's intervention, it was written, re-written, amended, debated, etc, until we ended up with the painful pastiche of a communique that we finally saw. So I would say, give Zulu a break, for now at least.
Having read Hilmar's purported mail, it's the sort of note I would expect to see from a senior manager when trying to allay internal concerns raised by external events. However, I also see in it some efforts to quell the concerns, or represent the interests, of external investors. I have seen notes like this before in previous RL jobs, and this has the same sort of "steadying the boat" and "re-assure the big money" feel to it.
Having read what appear to be CCP employee comments on www.glassdoor.com, I strongly feel that CCP has an internal business culture issue. I think that the devs, coders, call them what you will, are more in touch with what Eve used to be and what the community wants than the senior management - there is a communications disconnect internally within CCP. This sort of thing I have also seen in RL, and takes a major event to shake the company out of. I suspect that this MT issue (for that is the major issue here, IMO) will not be that major event, huge as it is for those of us in the player base who frequent the forums.
I have already suspended payment on this account, and have another 8 weeks or so left on it. My main pays monthly, and continued paying on that account is being kept under review. I have been playing since 2006, and the thought of no longer playing Eve is a huge wrench. However, my stumbling block is the thought of people being able to buy success in the game, and Zulu's blog steers well clear of that point - the only point of any major contention. Performance issues, overpricing, these are not game-breaking problems, they can be overcome or worked around, or finally lived with, no matter how annoying or awkward, but MT could be a game-breaker. Again, the fact that so long was spent on getting that blog out only for it not to cover the main issue for the community tells the major story for me. Zulu's later comment of keeping things separate and clear again points to downward managerial pressure on him, to my mind.
The leaks of internal memos and so on point to some within CCP having issues with the direction CCP is taking. No doubt, the investors are looking for a marked return on their investment - I do not believe that this MT methodology as being apparently implemented is the way to deliver that return. I am not an investor, I am fully prepared to find out that I am wrong on that point - I will be sad to find it out, though.
If people want vanity items, more power to them, as long as they are only for vanity. But, until Hilmar puts in writing, on this forum, and on other sites such as Massively, etc, exactly what types of items will be available to buy using Aurum, and whether these will only be vanity items or whether they will be items that will break the sandbox, I reserve judgement on what the future holds for the game that I am surprised to find I actually love. To me, at the time of typing, the future looks poor.
tl;dr My friends who got me into Eve told me there was no endgame - now I think it is in sight, just not the way they meant.
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Cheiftan
Minmatar Shinryaku
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:32:00 -
[2346]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Screw You CCP
Not sure about you but ive never seen a designer jeans worth more that a fighter jet, let alone a carrier.
Yes again, CCP trying to put your fut down.
after all, Dinosaurs disapeared with magic, now magicly your losing all your subs.
TTFN
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The Economist
Logically Consistent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:35:00 -
[2347]
No need to panic I'm sure CCP is "monitoring the situation closely" and that "nothing is set in stone"......which usually loosely translates to "we're gonna wait a little while for the noise to die down then we're gonna do it all anyway, hahaha, fu!"
Awesome.
I remember a day when we were assured there'd never be microtransactions in eve....those were good years.
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Multimedia Carl
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:40:00 -
[2348]
Cancelled my subscribtion
CCP can suck my manspam
Cheerio
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:40:00 -
[2349]
Originally by: CMD Bileena I very very rarely post on these forums. In fact I can't even recall the last time I did.
2011.03.22 10:43:00
3 months ago... Not a long memory
Fortunately, there be records for you....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Cang Zar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:42:00 -
[2350]
Edited by: Cang Zar on 25/06/2011 14:44:35 Edited by: Cang Zar on 25/06/2011 14:43:29
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Hilmar
ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8? Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(...)
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
You condescending prick! It's not change we fear! It's you breaking the game, we fear; you and your 'I would sell my mother for Aurum if I could, but let's keep it on the hush-list or the masses will get upset.' attitude. It's you not clearly and publicly distancing yourself from selling ingame advantages for Aurum, is what has us worried! And it's your utter disdain for your customers that has us upset.
Quote: We live in interesting times. (...) For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
Yes, they will. Mate, you are already the laughing stock of the entire gaming community, world wide!
And yes, "May you live in interesting times!" That's actually a Chinese curse. Go figure.
FFS do you people even read? That email was sent (to riverinin on evenews24) on the 23rd, which means that in all likelyhood it was sent (to the company) way before the "protests" took the form they have now. He isnt talking about ignoring the players on the issue of "game altering"-microtransactions which is the main topic of this thread, he is talking about the pricing of the monocle (I know many are grief stricken that they cant afford the monocle, but damn guys.. Save up for it or something, dont just whine until you each get one).
Tbh, Riverini releasing now, when he got it way earlier, makes it pretty obvious that he is purposely trying to inflame the situation (needs moar traffic and ad-money I guess), so the morons ITT will think that Hilmar is actually talking about the current situation and the current "uprising". You're falling for it, HOOK LINE AND SINKER.
Either way, keep on overreacting! "Some dude wrote something I didnt like in a deliberately 'over the top' way, in an internal company newsletter, ghaaaar! MUST UNSUB NAO!!!!!!!!!! 1 million accounts unsubbed!!!"
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stupid flanders
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 -
[2351]
Boo-urns
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Friedhofsgirl
Caldari Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:46:00 -
[2352]
Was hoping for something along the lines of this, which actually addressed the important issues.
Left disappointed.
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Running River
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:51:00 -
[2353]
No doubt what I have to say will be lost in the countless voices out there but:
I really enjoyed reading the "Fearless" magazine. I thought it presented some interesting points and insight to some of the thought processes behind such a large and complex group. I hope to read more if they ever are made available. (maybe I'd even pay...)
Also I'm not upset in anyway by the topics discussed. After all, it was just a discussion.
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Sabrina Otsada
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:51:00 -
[2354]
I started playing this game because I was bored with the same boring content in WoW. I enjoyed how EVE forces you to think and plan out everything that you are going to do beforehand. I was told that it would take you 37 years to train every skill in the game to level 5. To me it seems like the skills are everything in EVE, and if you allow people with a huge bank account to skirt around the system that you have built, you will only be opening up the game for 2 month old characters being in a Titan when they have no idea how the gaming mechanics even work yet.
As a Indy pilot I implore you not to allow ships, ammo, components and anything other than a stripper pole and a skirt in the CQ, as you will kill the business that I have been working so hard to get into place. There would be no point for me to proceed forward if I cannot make a profit building ships, ammo, drones and other items in the game that everyone uses.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:54:00 -
[2355]
Originally by: Running River No doubt what I have to say will be lost in the countless voices out there but:
I really enjoyed reading the "Fearless" magazine. I thought it presented some interesting points and insight to some of the thought processes behind such a large and complex group. I hope to read more if they ever are made available. (maybe I'd even pay...)
Also I'm not upset in anyway by the topics discussed. After all, it was just a discussion.
Their very next issue of fearless will discuss how to successfully ignore the community and will discuss the OP/ED benefits of doing so. They'll be able to point to this tiny outlier discussion, and how it didn't impact their bottom line in the slightest.
I'm not so sure I'D like to read that one, personally. I think I'd break down in man tears.
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Edward Perry
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:55:00 -
[2356]
1. Seldom does someone write about topic to encourage debate if they don't have the opinion that it should happen 2. In a debate you have people on both sides, which means other people have this opion Quote: Itæs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth
3. You can talk all you want about that this is only for clothing but in reality once the model shows that a profit can be made you will look for other ways of expanding this product to what people are looking for.
4. The comment that this is only clothing is such a farce if it were only about providing a new product then send it away. I suspect that this can not happen because you have your investors, sales, management which have already bought in to it, as they have green lighted the whole project.
5. Yes micro transactions seem to be popular Look at DDO or City Of Hero's great games but these games are not based on PVP and any little advantage given to any player by items bought will break the game. Hell you can barely balance the ships in the game as it is already.
6. Quote: The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
Oh so your saying the people who debated this idea have no influence over their managers and co-workers? I mean really Quote: Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic.
7. Quote: we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote
Yes people probably have gone over bored but if it were a debatable item to discuss controversial topics. That means you should have taken more care not to let this out. Or because what was written. In every job I have had you MUST always be accountable for what you write. Sorry guys The company is the people and the people are the company. So if either say something wrong you are in it together. If you can't handle the fire don't write about the topic.
8. If these virtual clothing "NeX" should be considered nothing why bother charging PRICE POINTS! Is this Macy's or other retail stores. The reason for Price Points is to attract different income levels and how do you come up with them. Oh you make them up because there is no cost in materials, only the time it takes for someone to make the 3d model (Not that it is easy) but come on!
9. I am not even going to talk about the API Developer license you are introducing which will also slow down development. and good hearted people.
10. All of this could have easily been done with the in-game currency without introducing and new game currency. You could have create another way of converting $$$$$$ it isk (Like Plex's) which only have value based on what other players would pay. I simple way of doing this would make them rare drops and control the numbers of each item. Then allow players to post only those selected items for sale. This way, a. you would be incontrol of the amount out there. b. Players from in the game would only get ISK c. It would provide another way of CCP providing something good to the players without making the game Micro-Transactional.
11. Oh Micro-Transactions, you might want to look up that term. . Charges for each page or item are likely to be minuscule, perhaps a few cents (pence), and the cost of processing such small sums, called microtransactions (or sometimes micropayments) a. This means you chage very little not $60 dollars
I think I have very carefully writting a response to this.
My opinion: You guys have embarked on something that will break the community. It will forever haunt you regardless what you do. If you continue with this process you will loose many long time fans. We Pay to Play not Pay to WIN.
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Drexciyian
The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:59:00 -
[2357]
Great you sold 52, if you made the price 1/5th of the current you mite of sold a few 1000 in 40 hours...
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Lady Snooty
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:02:00 -
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Quote: Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.
OK so CCP wants to see action not words?
I run 6 accounts ATM, this toon's account expires on the 5th of July and wont be extended. Two other accounts expire on 3rd and 4th, again these wont be extended, account 4 will expire on 22nd and guess what; that wont be extended either. I'll extend my last two accounts for one more month to see if CCP make some statement about future support for this game - specifically new added content and improvements, if I dont like what I read then I'll let my last two accounts die too.
Is that specific enough for CCP?
Get back to the core game - INTERNET SPACESHIPS which is the game I signed on for!
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Sing Xing
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:03:00 -
[2359]
Originally by: Sabrina Otsada I started playing this game because I was bored with the same boring content in WoW. I enjoyed how EVE forces you to think and plan out everything that you are going to do beforehand. I was told that it would take you 37 years to train every skill in the game to level 5. To me it seems like the skills are everything in EVE, and if you allow people with a huge bank account to skirt around the system that you have built, you will only be opening up the game for 2 month old characters being in a Titan when they have no idea how the gaming mechanics even work yet.
You can already do this:
1: Make account 2: Buy plexes with real $$ 3: Sell plexes for ISK 4: Go to 'character bazaar' on the eve-o forum, buy character with 60m skillpoints (and is a titan pilot) 5: Buy titan 6: Win Eve
So, we've established that people can already do that. What is the problem then? Well, the problem is if CCP introduces stuff that you can ONLY buy for $$ and which gives in-game advantages. That means (among other things) that the industrialists gets screwed out of their ISK.
Here is the deal though, aside from an internal newsletter, which was designed to provoke thought and emotions among the employee. NOTHING suggests that they're going that way. In fact, the only thing we have heard is the opposite. Here is what was said 6 months ago (we have heard nothing that changes this):
Originally by: CCP ZULU
(...) Second, we wanted to explain our thinking a little more. Itæs always been the intent of CCP to continue diversifying EVE Online's business model and weæve been looking at various options to do so. This started with the introduction of PLEX, which was an innovative way for players to exchange in-game assets for subscription on a fully player driven marketplace. Since we introduced the PLEX item we've monitored its trading, price and velocity closely. It's now time for us to take the next evolutionary step.
Itæs clear that itæs the will of the community to keep virtual goods sales outside the spectrum of what we classify as the "merit economy". That refers to skills gained over time or items that have a gameplay impact. So after discussions, designs, brainstorming and all sorts of processes weæve come up with a strategy that weæve already polished with the help of the CSM and would now want to present to the larger community.
Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
Itæs important to clarify that virtual goods sales isnæt an arbitrary - or particularly greedy - decision. There is a constantly decreasing number of MMOæs out there that donæt incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out. Diversifying the business model allows us to offer our players the services and features they desire in ways that are conducive to how they wish to spend their entertainment dollars. The result is that we provide a wider range of options to our subscribers which, in turn, leaves us better positioned to react to future seismic shifts in the market.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:04:00 -
[2360]
Originally by: Lady Aphra
Having read what appear to be CCP employee comments on www.glassdoor.com, I strongly feel that CCP has an internal business culture issue. I think that the devs, coders, call them what you will, are more in touch with what Eve used to be and what the community wants than the senior management - there is a communications disconnect internally within CCP. This sort of thing I have also seen in RL, and takes a major event to shake the company out of. I suspect that this MT issue (for that is the major issue here, IMO) will not be that major event, huge as it is for those of us in the player base who frequent the forums.
Business culture? Well, what did you expect? Their Chief Financial Officer is Joseph Gallo, former Managing Director at Citibank. That's right, Citibank, recipient of the largest recorded government bailout in history, to the tune of > $300 billion! And he left the company, after 14 years... to go work for CCP.
CCP employees, make no mistake about it, this man will spin you about with stories of golden eggs, and the sky being the limit. But, in the end, you will have your Citigroup: you will have robbed your customers blind, or died trying, but you'll have a sucked-out carcass left, with no one to pick up the bill this time. And Joseph Gallo, I assure you, will have jumped ship long before that.
CCP, please, I urge you, come to your senses!
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:06:00 -
[2361]
Originally by: Sing Xing
Originally by: Sabrina Otsada I started playing this game because I was bored with the same boring content in WoW. I enjoyed how EVE forces you to think and plan out everything that you are going to do beforehand. I was told that it would take you 37 years to train every skill in the game to level 5. To me it seems like the skills are everything in EVE, and if you allow people with a huge bank account to skirt around the system that you have built, you will only be opening up the game for 2 month old characters being in a Titan when they have no idea how the gaming mechanics even work yet.
You can already do this:
1: Make account 2: Buy plexes with real $$ 3: Sell plexes for ISK 4: Go to 'character bazaar' on the eve-o forum, buy character with 60m skillpoints (and is a titan pilot) 5: Buy titan 6: Win Eve
That character has actually been a part of the eve community. Someone is selling it off. That ISK also comes from the EVE community, and people has spend time to get that money.
RMT for skillpoints, or RMT for other advantages bought directly from CCP would completely cut out the EVE community and economy. If this continues on for long enough people will be forced to buy boosts from CCP in order to stay competitive with other people --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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Kazini Jax
Gallente Starlight Operations Starlight Network
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:08:00 -
[2362]
Edited by: Kazini Jax on 25/06/2011 15:12:44 "We live in interesting times" Yes, we do. A time of great economic hardship everywhere in the world.. except the stock market and banks. Which is one of the reasons video games in general are so popular, a lot of value for your dollar. That CCP opens their store with prices at ridiculous levels, and literally nothing that most of it's playerbase could afford, not only shows how CCP is out of touch with it's playerbase, but out of touch with the reality and the world, in general. They should have opened it with a variety of items across all price points, especially the lower ones, considering.
Isn't CCP one of the few things in Iceland keeping Iceland from sinking in debt?
*sigh* stupid, sad, ignorant, greedy, digusting and pathetic.
You know, CCP, you could have blown away most other MMOs out there, including WoW, with just your originality, and expanding on that, and the stage you have set for the game, space. You were in the perfect position to do it. But $$ signs now cloud your potential and you are becoming mainstream. Hell, even your Dust 514 is a limited vision of what you have the potential of doing, not that you can see that anymore through the greed and selfishness.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:14:00 -
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This devblog is what CCP should have released 72 hours ago when this story first broke. As it is, it is now a load of waffling that will do nothing but continue to inflame the masses because of it's lack of substance and it's possessing every appearance of being a massive spin job.
As for the intimation that we should stop being mad at the "employees who were just doing their jobs" - fine, tell us who we should be mad at, and I am sure we will gladly metaphorically tar and feather them instead.
I appreciate the effort Zulu, I really do. You're trying to get a handle on a bad situation - but at this point you have to address the concerns that have been raised - clearly, without the spin or the waffle. The future of this game will be decided, I fear, by what CCP chooses to do next. --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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pipvac
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:16:00 -
[2364]
Edited by: pipvac on 25/06/2011 15:18:04 People seem to be missing the point.
Subscribers are buying the virtual goods, and generating incremental revenue for CCP. Customers are behaving in the way CCP's market research predicted. Therefore this expansion is successful.
The vocal playerbase on the forums have spent so long whining about everything, its not surprise that CCP cannot filter the important feedback from the 'predictable' adversity to change.
To this end, the only real measure CCP can use is the rate at which new revenue is generated from their virtual trinkets, and subscriber behaviour, in terms active subscription growth (or decline).
All the evidence suggested so far, in terms of concurrent users logged on, and the leaked email above, would suggest that CCP have provided what the consumer wanted, and those who don't like it, are not moved enough, in significant numbers to adversely affect subscriptions and concurrent users.
It'll be interesting to watch, but it looks as though the 'silent majority' have already given CCP the thumbs up with their purchasing behaviour.
My personal view is CQ is inconsequential to me and my game experience. I have no interest in vanity items, and will not be parting with any cash to buy them. Once CCP introduce "pay2win" items that will be it for me, and I will cancel all my accounts immediately. Do I expect my opinion to influence CCP's direction?, No, not in the least. They have made it absolutely clear that the only thing that matters here is revenue generation, and that, and ONLY that, will be their driving force.
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Nishachara
Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:22:00 -
[2365]
CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:23:00 -
[2366]
Originally by: Kasriel
Originally by: CCP Zulu People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes
Haha, no. We're talking about VIRTUAL ITEMS.
They're not strictly clothes.
clothes noun (plural) /klō(T͟H)z/ clothes, plural
Items worn to cover the body
vir+tu+al adjective /ˈvərCHo͞oəl/
1 Almost or nearly as described, but not completely or according to strict definition - the virtual absence of border controls
2 Not physically existing as such but made by software to appear to do so
Virtual Clothes.
ALMOST CLOTHES. NOT REALLY CLOTHES.
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:23:00 -
[2367]
I am convinced now the higher-ups within CCP detest us as a community.
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Vuk Lau
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:24:00 -
[2368]
The most insulting devblog ever.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:25:00 -
[2369]
Originally by: Sing Xing
Originally by: Sabrina Otsada I started playing this game because I was bored with the same boring content in WoW. I enjoyed how EVE forces you to think and plan out everything that you are going to do beforehand. I was told that it would take you 37 years to train every skill in the game to level 5. To me it seems like the skills are everything in EVE, and if you allow people with a huge bank account to skirt around the system that you have built, you will only be opening up the game for 2 month old characters being in a Titan when they have no idea how the gaming mechanics even work yet.
You can already do this:
1: Make account 2: Buy plexes with real $$ 3: Sell plexes for ISK 4: Go to 'character bazaar' on the eve-o forum, buy character with 60m skillpoints (and is a titan pilot) 5: Buy titan 6: Win Eve
So, we've established that people can already do that. What is the problem then? Well, the problem is if CCP introduces stuff that you can ONLY buy for $$ and which gives in-game advantages. That means (among other things) that the industrialists gets screwed out of their ISK.
Here is the deal though, aside from an internal newsletter, which was designed to provoke thought and emotions among the employee. NOTHING suggests that they're going that way. In fact, the only thing we have heard is the opposite. Here is what was said 6 months ago (we have heard nothing that changes this):
Originally by: CCP ZULU
(...) Second, we wanted to explain our thinking a little more. Itæs always been the intent of CCP to continue diversifying EVE Online's business model and weæve been looking at various options to do so. This started with the introduction of PLEX, which was an innovative way for players to exchange in-game assets for subscription on a fully player driven marketplace. Since we introduced the PLEX item we've monitored its trading, price and velocity closely. It's now time for us to take the next evolutionary step.
Itæs clear that itæs the will of the community to keep virtual goods sales outside the spectrum of what we classify as the "merit economy". That refers to skills gained over time or items that have a gameplay impact. So after discussions, designs, brainstorming and all sorts of processes weæve come up with a strategy that weæve already polished with the help of the CSM and would now want to present to the larger community.
Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
Itæs important to clarify that virtual goods sales isnæt an arbitrary - or particularly greedy - decision. There is a constantly decreasing number of MMOæs out there that donæt incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out. Diversifying the business model allows us to offer our players the services and features they desire in ways that are conducive to how they wish to spend their entertainment dollars. The result is that we provide a wider range of options to our subscribers which, in turn, leaves us better positioned to react to future seismic shifts in the market.
You are absolutely correct Sing.
When CCP tried to introduce the Ishukone Watch Scorpion earlier this month as a ship produced from thin air, with no player involvement, for AUR... that didn't steal anything AT ALL from the players. Sure, no one had to mine the minerals to produce the IW Scorpion, and no one had to buy
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jerryramon
Minmatar JR Entertainment Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:28:00 -
[2370]
Edited by: jerryramon on 25/06/2011 15:29:20 Edited by: jerryramon on 25/06/2011 15:28:22 The whole Pricing structure part is ridiculous, not to mention that it should have never been written in a "Devblog", shame on this...
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Etil DeLaFuente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:30:00 -
[2371]
"Your devblog completely missed <ccp> playerebase inflecting over 9000!! damage"
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:30:00 -
[2372]
Originally by: CCP Zulu's blog Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. ...
If I buy something for $1000 in a shop, then I am owner of that stuff.
I can use it, I can sell it, I can trade it on Ebay. I can be 100% sure that this item will never go away unless I want it.
If I "buy" a virtual monocle, what then? I gain nothing. CCP can take away all that at any time. CCP can go bancrupt. Or they can decide to sell out. Or they can change the monocle because it is "unbalanced" or whatever they want.
If I "buy" virtual items, I have nothing. Nothing at all. I am not the owner of this item.
I am really taken aback that CCP Zulu, EVE's senior producer couldn't grasp that difference (I refuse to assume that he understood the difference, but purposefully lied to us about that). Are they really that brainwashed by their own RP-hype "Eve is real" that they really can't see the difference any more? |
Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:31:00 -
[2373]
Just cancelled the sub on my Alt.
Reason: In game issues.
Specific: Last Patch
Would like to add anything further:
This is what I wrote. 'The condescending attitude of CCP Zulu in particular, the epic fail of a patch which doesn't work unless one own's a super-computer. The lack of a guarantee that MT will not be used for anything other than vanity items. The breathtaking arrogance exhibited in the leaked copy of 'Fearless' and CCP senior management's total contempt and failure to understand the level of hurt and betrayal within the EVE player family.
When CQ and WIS become optional, when guarantee's are given that MT is for vanity items only and most importantly when CCP management and CCP Zulu publicly acknowledge that they have monumentally failed to understand and act on the genuine greviences of your paying customers and apologise, explaining how they intend to rebuild trust, then I may return to a world that I will miss but who's custodians have come to live in a reality that I have no wish to partake of anymore.
If you wish to contact me to speak of the issues I've raised, you have my contact details.
I bid you farewell.'
As it's clear I'm just a statistic to them, I'm sure my ú13 a month won't be missed. But if everyone here grows a set of balls, follow through with their dissatisfaction and at least cancel their Alt's but keep their main, I'm sure that ú13 a month times by several thousand will be missed.
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Odume
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:31:00 -
[2374]
Edited by: Odume on 25/06/2011 15:33:33 Edited by: Odume on 25/06/2011 15:32:59
Originally by: Sing Xing
Originally by: CCP ZULU
(...)
Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
Then let Hilmar reiterate this and the whole ****storm will go away.
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QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:33:00 -
[2375]
Edited by: QT McWhiskers on 25/06/2011 15:35:15 I am a CSR for a fairly large company. There are 3 basic bulletins we are told every single day when we walk in.
New customers need to be told exactly what they want to hear. Existing customers need to be told exactly what they want to hear. Not following rules 1 and 2 will result in loss in revenue for the company.
It is very simple. When you ignore new customers, you lose a sale. When you ignore and simply stop caring about existing customers, you lose much much more. When you fail to close on a new customer, you dont lose anything at all. You lose potential, but that basically translates to losing absolutely nothing. (Think music downloads.)
But when you lose an existing customer, you get a negative on your books. It is as simple as that. Dont ignore your existing consumer base simply because you already have our business. Otherwise you will fall down that dark path that has swallowed up so many MMO companies.
The simple fact that there is an unsub list that has nearly 1k confirmed unsubbed accounts proves that you are already falling that way. Eve online is not played for the game. Not by a longshot. It is played because of the people we play with. If half of your corp suddenly quit because they couldn't stomach it anymore, then you quit too. There is no more reason to play.
I think you are safe from SWTOR taking your customers, if only for the reason that if people hate CCP they certainly hate EA and would not be forced to use origin if it meant the life of their child. But the fact still remains that no one is going to want to play eve online if half the memberbase leaves because they hate the direction you are taking it.
And I can guarantee you that NO ONE is going to play dust if you have PTW model. Simple fact. If halo reach (only thowing out halo cause it is a stupid popular title) had guns and ammo that you could only buy with real money that were used up when you died, or had something else happen, then I can guarantee you that no one would play it. You would have the 100-200 people who spend the money a month in the beginning as they "pwn teh noobs" but that would die out as they realize that no one else is playing and they no longer have a distinct advantage. Its no fun I tellz ya.
If you keep going down this path, I can guarantee you that dust and eve will fall hard. With eve becoming one of those other ftp ptw models like rappelz or fantasy earth zero. I think I have said enough on this topic.
On the risk of sounding like a bandwagoner, I will not unsub unless I see a clear line that CCP crosses. Right now they simply drew it. But if you even push your pinky toe over that line, then I guarantee you that I will unsub. And I will not be the only one. Now saying I have that much influence in the community. I am just saying there are probably hundreds on the fence like I am. And we dont like the feeling of razor wire on our butts.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:39:00 -
[2376]
Well that certainly was a waste of a dev blog. You just had to provide simple answers to a few questions, that the CSM apparently provided to you and many forum warriors have spammed all over this and other threads in large colored letters, and you couldn't even do that. You just avoided the actual issues raised and have a bad attitude for some reason. Did you honestly think this would in any way help in this situation?
I just want to know are you abandoning the idea of non-cosmetic/non-vanity MT items for good or not? Simple yes or no answer will do. Anything else won't do and I'll take further attempts of trying to avoid answering or being vague in answering this question as a no.
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:39:00 -
[2377]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Lady Aphra
Having read what appear to be CCP employee comments on www.glassdoor.com, I strongly feel that CCP has an internal business culture issue. I think that the devs, coders, call them what you will, are more in touch with what Eve used to be and what the community wants than the senior management - there is a communications disconnect internally within CCP. This sort of thing I have also seen in RL, and takes a major event to shake the company out of. I suspect that this MT issue (for that is the major issue here, IMO) will not be that major event, huge as it is for those of us in the player base who frequent the forums.
Business culture? Well, what did you expect? Their Chief Financial Officer is Joseph Gallo, former Managing Director at Citibank. That's right, Citibank, recipient of the largest recorded government bailout in history, to the tune of > $300 billion! And he left the company, after 14 years... to go work for CCP.
CCP employees, make no mistake about it, this man will spin you about with stories of golden eggs, and the sky being the limit. But, in the end, you will have your Citigroup: you will have robbed your customers blind, or died trying, but you'll have a sucked-out carcass left, with no one to pick up the bill this time. And Joseph Gallo, I assure you, will have jumped ship long before that.
CCP, please, I urge you, come to your senses!
For the longest time I thought this was a joke. I honestly, honestly could not imagine, not even in my wildest dreams, that anyone in his right mind would give that moron a job again. Ever. Not even as a lavatory attendant, because he'd have to manage money then, possibly.
Guess who picks him up and makes him Chief Financial Officer. Like... really? You could have gone to your nearest public place and picked any person at random - and each of them would have been more qualified than the ****ing idiot who demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt he is absolutely incapable of managing any financial institution or company.
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Algathas
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:40:00 -
[2378]
Originally by: Odume Edited by: Odume on 25/06/2011 15:33:33 Edited by: Odume on 25/06/2011 15:32:59
Originally by: Sing Xing
Originally by: CCP ZULU
(...)
Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
Then let Hilmar reiterate this and the whole ****storm will go away.
All that is said here is not "we wont have game play altering MT" but more like "we won't commit to not having gameplay altering MT". They will be happy to reiterate this all day long for you.
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electroretard
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:41:00 -
[2379]
Edited by: electro****** on 25/06/2011 15:41:41 Edited by: electro****** on 25/06/2011 15:41:26 Perpetuum, EvE online clone with robots / mechs.
Devs always respond on forums and listen to the community.
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Boy Beater
Counter Errorist Unit Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:44:00 -
[2380]
So...when do we get to read the DevBlog that actually addresses our concerns? Oh and can we get an opt out option for content such as what you just released that does nothing for my game experience, but manages to incredibly degrade my ability to run more than one account simultaneously?
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:49:00 -
[2381]
Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 25/06/2011 15:56:36 This allegedly LEAKED E-MAIL from the CEO of CCP only seems to discuss the prices set forth for the NeX RM store. I couldn't care less about the monocles. I won't be buying them.
Regardless, its not the reason people are angry and dissappointed. People want assurance that the NeX store will NEVER move beyond vanity (NON GAMEPLAY IMPACTING) items. That all it will be is a store for fluff.
As for the pricing on items. High prices in the real world are based around either:
CCP is trying to make a name for the NeX items, but it won't work.
- a rare limited stock product,
CCP is providing neither of those to its customers. The NeX items are infinite. Everyone in New Eden could have one and there would still be am unlimited supply.
extremely high quality products,
The quality of the MONOCLE eyepiece can't from a production point of view be worth more than 80 dollars (its a simple model with a simple shader and some sculpting on the characters face). It can be designed and produced in a few hours time. Yet CCP is asking the actual initial production cost of the item to everyone who wants to buy it.
- extremely rare materials,
Its a digital item, there are no rare materials involved.
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CCP is trying to sell something that has no true value for outrageously high prices. While Supply and Demand should tell them that if these items were priced fairly, they would have sold hundreds or thousands of them buy now, and AUR / PLEX prices would have not impacted the market as much as it has.
HILMAR, your experts are clearly incompetent. selling 50 x 80$ over 40 hours. While you could have sold 9000+ x 4$ over the same period of time.
Other games have tried to sell these kinds of items yes, but usually at fair pricing.
- SECOND LIFE: However in this game items are made by the people that play the game, and they get real money back for it in return. This game is a virtual reality. In EVE CCP is the only company that actually produces these items, and the playerbase is completely different from the one in Second Life. In EVE players value the fact that they have worked hard, or that someone else worked hard to produce or provide a rare battleship, faction ammo, or their standings.
By selling these items from CCP, there is no community involvement anymore and the items would effect gameplay.
- TEAM FORTRESS 2 & LEAGUE OF LEGENDS: These games offer a NON-PERSISTENT world in which 2 teams of identical characters go head to head. The only reason its worth while to buy these items is because of the meta-gaming. However Incarna does not supply this, and the EVE character creator already gives us a great amount of freedom to customize our characters. There is no incentive to buy any of these items, and god forbid they ever become more than vanity items, as the community would explode on you.
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Incarna is a game that was launched with the WORST PR & COMMUNICATION ever. Deployment wise it might have gone well.
But there was no proper communication from CCP before or after its launch. People are having trouble running the Mandatory Captains Quarters / NeX items showcase.
If CCP does not come out soon and puts the player bases concerns to rest, this will all end in tears. LISTEN to your community CCP, they are the ones that made you to what you are today, If you lose their trust completely, you will never get it back.
Public opinion can be easily taken for granted but once tainted will never recover and drive you into the ground. Your subs will drop, and no 80 dollar monocles will save it! Act NOW, before it is too late.
Hyperforce, --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:51:00 -
[2382]
Originally by: Eladaris
When CCP tried to introduce the Ishukone Watch Scorpion earlier this month as a ship produced from thin air, with no player involvement, for AUR... that didn't steal anything AT ALL from the players.
Sure, no one had to mine the minerals to produce the IW Scorpion, and no one had to buy the BPC and research it, nor mine the ice and spin the PI buttons to fuel that research.
No one had to load the raw materials into the manufacturing slots, nor drag it to a market hub, nor sell it (hopefully at a profit).
Instead a CCP dev simply had to pick a sexy new color scheme, and mass produce an unlimited number for profit.
Sure, we threw a fit and CCP promised to push back the deployment of the IW Scorpion for a few months... That didn't hurt us at all, we won!
But now... with this? CCP has well over 43,000 players happily playing Eve online as I write this. We lost, they won. The rest is just hang-wringing while the addicts try to come up with excuses to allow themselves to re-sub for another few years.
You're purposely blinding yourself to the reality of the day. The only reason there hasn't been a massive exodus yet, is that people are still awaiting an official reply regarding MT for ingame advantages. And that is PRECISELY the reason CCP haven't answered on the matter yet. When they start selling faction standing for Aurum, or super supercaps, or better-than-in-game battleships, or even regular economy-wrecking 'out of thin air' ships, I can guarantee you EVE will die shortly thereafter. And not even because people will run away screaming (many will, in fact); but simply because doing so will break the game on such a fundamental level, that, like Humptydumpty, it can't be put together again -- short of removing all 'Aurum for ingame advantages' trading.
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Worzel Bummage
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:57:00 -
[2383]
-1 account, im done.
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Wurrp
Minmatar Sadistic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:58:00 -
[2384]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536480
^----- This
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:59:00 -
[2385]
Originally by: pipvac Edited by: pipvac on 25/06/2011 15:18:04 People seem to be missing the point.
Subscribers are buying the virtual goods, and generating incremental revenue for CCP. Customers are behaving in the way CCP's market research predicted. Therefore this expansion is successful.
The vocal playerbase on the forums have spent so long whining about everything, its not surprise that CCP cannot filter the important feedback from the 'predictable' adversity to change.
To this end, the only real measure CCP can use is the rate at which new revenue is generated from their virtual trinkets, and subscriber behaviour, in terms active subscription growth (or decline).
All the evidence suggested so far, in terms of concurrent users logged on, and the leaked email above, would suggest that CCP have provided what the consumer wanted, and those who don't like it, are not moved enough, in significant numbers to adversely affect subscriptions and concurrent users.
It'll be interesting to watch, but it looks as though the 'silent majority' have already given CCP the thumbs up with their purchasing behaviour.
My personal view is CQ is inconsequential to me and my game experience. I have no interest in vanity items, and will not be parting with any cash to buy them. Once CCP introduce "pay2win" items that will be it for me, and I will cancel all my accounts immediately. Do I expect my opinion to influence CCP's direction?, No, not in the least. They have made it absolutely clear that the only thing that matters here is revenue generation, and that, and ONLY that, will be their driving force.
Edit - spelling mistake.
I cannot totally agree with your analysis.
1. yes, eve players complain about everything, most of the complaints are not heard and the difference between light and severe matters seems to hard. This time there is a clear sign: eve players not only whine about everything, there are also professional forum trolls. But this time the number of trolls is low, so ÇÇP really should take it serious, because most of those who wrote in this thread take it serious.
2. yes, we are acting like expected (i wrote something about that above, p 77). But, the massive uproar, although only to measure in the trade hubs and the length of protest threads should give ccp something to think. perhaps it would have gone more smoothly without so much protest, if ÇÇP had lower prices of the vanity items and if CCP Zulu hasn't published his arrogant and user interest ignoring dev blog.
3. yes, there are some players that already bought the new items - out of several reasons. if you have to "wash" your botted isk or if you are rich ingame, you can buy plex and transvert them. there are too, persons, that invest real money in this game. But, this silent buyers - i wont count 40-50 sold monocles as "majority" - is confronted by all those who declared to cancel subscription of their accounts. and this already is a reasonable number.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:03:00 -
[2386]
Where's this unsub list I've heard tell of.
I'd like to look at it.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:05:00 -
[2387]
Originally by: Yeo San
Originally by: pipvac Edited by: pipvac on 25/06/2011 15:18:04 People seem to be missing the point.
Subscribers are buying the virtual goods, and generating incremental revenue for CCP. Customers are behaving in the way CCP's market research predicted. Therefore this expansion is successful.
The vocal playerbase on the forums have spent so long whining about everything, its not surprise that CCP cannot filter the important feedback from the 'predictable' adversity to change.
To this end, the only real measure CCP can use is the rate at which new revenue is generated from their virtual trinkets, and subscriber behaviour, in terms active subscription growth (or decline).
All the evidence suggested so far, in terms of concurrent users logged on, and the leaked email above, would suggest that CCP have provided what the consumer wanted, and those who don't like it, are not moved enough, in significant numbers to adversely affect subscriptions and concurrent users.
It'll be interesting to watch, but it looks as though the 'silent majority' have already given CCP the thumbs up with their purchasing behaviour.
My personal view is CQ is inconsequential to me and my game experience. I have no interest in vanity items, and will not be parting with any cash to buy them. Once CCP introduce "pay2win" items that will be it for me, and I will cancel all my accounts immediately. Do I expect my opinion to influence CCP's direction?, No, not in the least. They have made it absolutely clear that the only thing that matters here is revenue generation, and that, and ONLY that, will be their driving force.
Edit - spelling mistake.
I cannot totally agree with your analysis.
1. yes, eve players complain about everything, most of the complaints are not heard and the difference between light and severe matters seems to hard. This time there is a clear sign: eve players not only whine about everything, there are also professional forum trolls. But this time the number of trolls is low, so ÇÇP really should take it serious, because most of those who wrote in this thread take it serious.
2. yes, we are acting like expected (i wrote something about that above, p 77). But, the massive uproar, although only to measure in the trade hubs and the length of protest threads should give ccp something to think. perhaps it would have gone more smoothly without so much protest, if ÇÇP had lower prices of the vanity items and if CCP Zulu hasn't published his arrogant and user interest ignoring dev blog.
3. yes, there are some players that already bought the new items - out of several reasons. if you have to "wash" your botted isk or if you are rich ingame, you can buy plex and transvert them. there are too, persons, that invest real money in this game. But, this silent buyers - i wont count 40-50 sold monocles as "majority" - is confronted by all those who declared to cancel subscription of their accounts. and this already is a reasonable number.
If you STILL think this has anything to do with VANITY items.... nvm
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Dr Screamm
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:05:00 -
[2388]
I ll be brief as on cell reading all that is goin on far from home. I have SEVEN FULL ACCOUNTS and believe me CCP if you don t bring the dream back the dream that EVE has been until now, you will loose me AND my SEVEN FULL ACCOUNTS, by d way I have a super gaming computer 8gig memory super graphic card and I cannot login all my toons and play and mine and give support with my fleet any longer since incarna, what d hell have u done!
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:05:00 -
[2389]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot Where's this unsub list I've heard tell of.
I'd like to look at it.
There is no list, but scroll through the 2500 posts of this thread and you see, what I mean. There are some people cancelling 3-6 accounts.
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Barashi Nugan
Gallente Zero Point Group
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:06:00 -
[2390]
As of yesterday, I had 7 paying accounts. That count is now 0. I'll be heading over to a friends in order to set long skills on each in the hope that, eventually, there will be reason to return. As of right now I'm unable to play due to the latest patch fubar'ing any attempt at installation.
I've been playing nearly without break since I started in 2006. I have tried several other MMO's, but none of them come close to holding a candle to what EVE offers. I've cultured great real life friendships through this game, and it has become by far one of my most enjoying hobbies. I'll likely lose some friends in the absence of EVE as we take different gaming paths and slowly drift apart. Every year I hoped that situations would permit me to go to Fanfest and hang out with a huge group of EVE players, and shake the hands of the amazing people who worked to build this fantastic world to enjoy.
Over the past several weeks, I saw a worrying cloud forming. I was slightly concerned, but there are always the crackpots claiming "The End Is Near / Eve Is Dying." I've seen it since I started, and never once did I give their claims a second thought. This is honestly the first time I am legitimately frightened that EVE might be faltering. I don't work there -- I don't know the internal pressures/requirements/obligations. Perhaps, as I've seen it postulated in another post, CCP is currently at the mercy of investors or financial troubles. Maybe there is some force unknown to the player population that is pushing CCP into this incredibly offensive and (in my eyes) off-character money grab.
Now to be honest, I've grown used to the all-to-common CCP method of "throw it at the players and we'll see how loud the backlash is" of testing new ideas. It's an infuriating way to introduce changes, but at least CCP in the past has usually been pretty good with accepting criticism from it's customers and nixing or modifying changes in relation to large amounts of negative response. Those times seem to be over. Something has fundamentally changed with my favorite game developer, and it has quite the bitter taste.
Promise that you are working on improving the current forums. Forced new forums (Security issues, horrible layout and feel)
Promise that Incarna would be optional. Forced Incarna (and a very buggy release, despite your claims to the contrary.)
Promise that no micro-transactions would come to EVE. Introduce micro-transactions.
Promise that strictly vanity items would be available through MT. Attempt to roll out Ships for MT. Dodging answering if it is still on the horizon.
Introduce new "micro-transaction" items at insane prices. Respond to player backlash with 'Well if this were real life it would be expensive designer items.'
Introduce $99 yearly "commercial license" to tack on the third party developers which have labored tirelessly to greatly improve the playability of your game. Partially retract some of the offending parts of the issue, but again leave it in this vague "we'll work on it" state.
And on top of all of the issues above, there has been the incredibly smug/self righteous/shut up and pay up attitude coming from CCP through DEV forum posts, CEO twitter accounts, leaked internal documents, and now this DEV blog.
You guys have always been my hero to point to in the gaming world. Whenever Blizzard/EA/Bioware/etc. would pull some stupid move and the gaming public would point and yell/laugh, I would be the one sitting smug in the corner, knowing that my favorite developer would never do something so stupid. There are mistakes of course, or simply decisions that the player base doesn't fully agree with, but there was always corrections and explanations for these, and a genuine feeling of an apology that came through. Not this time.
I say these words not with anger, but with sadness. I fully expected to be playing EVE 10+ years from now, not shaking my head and pulling the plug on a friend.
-Barashi
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Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:06:00 -
[2391]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot Where's this unsub list I've heard tell of.
I'd like to look at it.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495 --------------------------------------------------
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:08:00 -
[2392]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Eladaris
When CCP tried to introduce the Ishukone Watch Scorpion earlier this month as a ship produced from thin air, with no player involvement, for AUR... that didn't steal anything AT ALL from the players.
Sure, no one had to mine the minerals to produce the IW Scorpion, and no one had to buy the BPC and research it, nor mine the ice and spin the PI buttons to fuel that research.
No one had to load the raw materials into the manufacturing slots, nor drag it to a market hub, nor sell it (hopefully at a profit).
Instead a CCP dev simply had to pick a sexy new color scheme, and mass produce an unlimited number for profit.
Sure, we threw a fit and CCP promised to push back the deployment of the IW Scorpion for a few months... That didn't hurt us at all, we won!
But now... with this? CCP has well over 43,000 players happily playing Eve online as I write this. We lost, they won. The rest is just hang-wringing while the addicts try to come up with excuses to allow themselves to re-sub for another few years.
You're purposely blinding yourself to the reality of the day. The only reason there hasn't been a massive exodus yet, is that people are still awaiting an official reply regarding MT for ingame advantages. And that is PRECISELY the reason CCP haven't answered on the matter yet. When they start selling faction standing for Aurum, or super supercaps, or better-than-in-game battleships, or even regular economy-wrecking 'out of thin air' ships, I can guarantee you EVE will die shortly thereafter. And not even because people will run away screaming (many will, in fact); but simply because doing so will break the game on such a fundamental level, that, like Humptydumpty, it can't be put together again -- short of removing all 'Aurum for ingame advantages' trading.
Actually I recall that Ishukonen watch scorpion wasn't more than a re-skin or a paint job. The ships statistics would have been identical. Players would still trade in a real scorpion battleship for the Ishukonen Watch Scorpion --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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Orical Niminen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:11:00 -
[2393]
I almost wanna make a talk show, and ask some questions to some one with answers from CCP, You know what if one of you want to contact me I will gladly put my time my effort and my skills to making this video I think people would want to hear their questions asked directly to your company and answered with respect and have you actually talk to them. Instead of a dev Blog that refuses to communicate to its player base and instead tells them what the hell is going on and that we have no power over a game we play and we invest time effort and money into
sorry for my lack of grammar and my spelling errors if any
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:11:00 -
[2394]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
If you STILL think this has anything to do with VANITY items.... nvm
I do not.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:13:00 -
[2395]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
You're purposely blinding yourself to the reality of the day. The only reason there hasn't been a massive exodus yet, is that people are still awaiting an official reply regarding MT for ingame advantages. And that is PRECISELY the reason CCP haven't answered on the matter yet. When they start selling faction standing for Aurum, or super supercaps, or better-than-in-game battleships, or even regular economy-wrecking 'out of thin air' ships, I can guarantee you EVE will die shortly thereafter. And not even because people will run away screaming (many will, in fact); but simply because doing so will break the game on such a fundamental level, that, like Humptydumpty, it can't be put together again -- short of removing all 'Aurum for ingame advantages' trading.
CCP will have learned the lesson by then, you'll still get your game-altering MT. They'll simply be vastly smarter about how they deliver next time.
Seriously, 44,500+ players logged into the game RIGHT NOW proves that all of this just mere chaff in the eyes of CCP's higher ups. Oh, we know we threatened to quit back in that big uproar last year with 400+ pages of rioting, but we still played your game while QQ'ing... What part of that is going to send a "Oops, we'd better tread carefully with our players NEXT time".
I personally would be overjoyed to learn that CCP would put out some form of ultimatum "No game altering MT will every touch any aspect of the Eve Online gaming universe". But this late in the game? That seems sorta unlikely.
Actually, from looking at the login sceen there are 44,600+ in the time it took me to type that reply. CCP is winning, we just aren't aware of it yet.
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Anas Damona
The Orthography Commandos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:14:00 -
[2396]
Fearless is right! Whiners need to HTFU all over again it seems.
I'm happy with Incarna, it makes the game better in my opinion, and I'm looking forward to more of it.
The prices are fine, there needs to be super expensive stuff in the economy to make being super rich have some meaning. What I hope to see is a wider range of options sometime soon.
The new maller is nice.
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Wurrp
Minmatar Sadistic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:16:00 -
[2397]
lol
If they just would have made clothings to something that could be crafted like anything els, this would never have happened. The price of these items would regulate themselves and IMO it would give the eve economy a nice boost...
Epis fail is ______
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:18:00 -
[2398]
Originally by: Hyperforce99 Other games have tried to sell these kinds of items yes,
SECOND LIFE: However in this game items are made by the people that play the game, and they get real money back for it in return. This game is a virtual reality. In EVE CCP is the only company that actually produces these items, and the playerbase is completely different from the one in Second Life. In EVE players value the fact that they have worked hard, or that someone else worked hard to produce or provide a rare battleship, faction ammo, or their standings.
This got me thinking. (taking above as correct- haven't verified it)
Link the NEX store with the $99 commercial license proposal. Perhaps the idea was to allow players to charge RL money for NEX items at some stage?
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Dravidshky
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:18:00 -
[2399]
Originally by: Anas Damona Fearless is right! Whiners need to HTFU all over again it seems.
I'm happy with Incarna, it makes the game better in my opinion, and I'm looking forward to more of it.
The prices are fine, there needs to be super expensive stuff in the economy to make being super rich have some meaning. What I hope to see is a wider range of options sometime soon.
The new maller is nice.
All in all, I don't see anything to rage about.
You've missed the point, the rage is about some leaked documents were some CCP devs talked about more than just vanity items for AUR.
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Aloh
Gallente Royal Black Watch Highlanders
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:20:00 -
[2400]
Zulu, It is your call but I think I might have gone with something other then an "Eat my shorts" speech considering the atmosphere around here reminds me of some strike lines I have worked. If that was not your intention a good time to have mentioned that would have been your reply in this thread. No doing so is confirming to people that you intended to come off that way. Back handing someone that is hysterical is sometimes effective. Back handing someone that is angry is never effective. CCP failing to address their main concern is making things worse not better.
And the Clothing comparison was.... unfortunate. You see the basic shirt to buy seems to be about $21 and some change after all the conversions are done. If you are happy with that price then why are CCP shirts for real life only 19.95 at the online store? Showing here
I enjoy eve and feel I get my moneys worth out of playing. It may however be in CCPs best interest to remember that as of this moment they are the only space based MMO available that is worth playing. That very well may change this year. It is up to you guys. Please let us chose to go to the CQ, at least till the code is smoothed out. I have a quad core machine and doing nothing in my CQ uses 40% of my cores and 80% of my RAM and red lines the GPU.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:24:00 -
[2401]
Originally by: Sing Xing
You can already do this:
1: Make account 2: Buy plexes with real $$ 3: Sell plexes for ISK 4: Go to 'character bazaar' on the eve-o forum, buy character with 60m skillpoints (and is a titan pilot) 5: Buy titan 6: Win Eve
So, we've established that people can already do that. What is the problem then? Well, the problem is if CCP introduces stuff that you can ONLY buy for $$ and which gives in-game advantages. That means (among other things) that the industrialists gets screwed out of their ISK.
Here is the deal though, aside from an internal newsletter, which was designed to provoke thought and emotions among the employee. NOTHING suggests that they're going that way. In fact, the only thing we have heard is the opposite. Here is what was said 6 months ago (we have heard nothing that changes this): CCP Zulu quote snipped
I have to agree with this on many levels... the fact is (as Sabrina so eloquently stated) that a player can in fact buy game changing advantages with an RMT, I.E. buy GTC, convert to plex, sell plex, get uber stuffs....
The only caveat to this would be skillpoints, mystery (insert item name) Items that can't be built by players and sold/traded on the market as normal, and standings...
These are things that would affect overall gameplay in a detrimental fashion by circumventing the conventional ways and means of doing things.
in a Game that boasts a "player driven economy" as one of it's "finer" points, this undermines one of the greatest things about the game. Removing the ability for the industrialist community to continue their growth by adding things that are created by a script instead of by a player or player corp will be detrimental to gameplay over-all as those industrialist will eventually be forced into other lines of work and there will be a shortage of the items they manufacture today.
Where Standings (IE "respect" from a corp, agent, or faction) are derived from a player's "loyalty" to a corp or faction via mission running, the player earns that "respect" from the agents or faction by showing them their "loyalty" in doing so. Being able to "buy" that "respect" and turning "loyalty" into nothing more than a $$$ amount would in fact be a slap in the face of every player who relentlessly ground mission after mission, after mission in order to gain standing with an agent, corp, or faction.
Skillpoints?, In a way, I don't really have a big problem with CCP making some sort of an SP pack as long as it's structured in a way that it can't be abused... If structured similar to neural remaps, limited in the time, amount of, and costs for an Sp pack, I could see where it could help out a player without sending the entire game into a death spiral. for example, you can do a neural remap once a year and doing it properly will allow you to train certain skills faster based on their requirements. In essence, and in fact, a reasonable, limited SP pack would do the same thing, but only if setup properly from the beginning.
anyway, just my 0.02 isks worth on that aspect of it, but I'm honestly more concerned with the effects of this recent "upgrade" in content has had on player's computers and the over-all view that "eventually" we won't have a choice in it, than I am the theoretical discussions of how CCP could make more $ for themselves.
Granted, there are some serious concerns mentioned in these 80+ pages of posts and CCP should address them in a straight forward manner, but people also shouldn't jump the gun and/or go off half ****ed until the final word is out.
CCP?, I personally have 5 accounts that are paid for with real money, and I pay for my son's account, and my nephew's account too, we aren't unsubbing over a simple discussion, but if the game gets turned into nothing more than some money tree for a corporation who displays a propensity to ignore their user-base and who displays a disdain for that user-base, then it's likely 7 accounts gone too. o/ K.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:34:00 -
[2402]
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
I have to agree with this on many levels... the fact is (as Sabrina so eloquently stated) that a player can in fact buy game changing advantages with an RMT, I.E. buy GTC, convert to plex, sell plex, get uber stuffs....
You apparently do not understand economics on anything other than a very basic level.
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Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:35:00 -
[2403]
Originally by: Hyperforce99 Actually I recall that Ishukonen watch scorpion wasn't more than a re-skin or a paint job. The ships statistics would have been identical. Players would still trade in a real scorpion battleship for the Ishukonen Watch Scorpion
Sorry to quote you again- I'm not picking on you- honest!
The NEX store can't do trade-ins yet. Despite this, CCP were going to add the ship to the options. CSM managed to talk them down to a limited offer for a week or so, and the forum rage seems to have put even that on hold.
The shop is one aspect that of EVE that I can guarantee will be iterated upon in every expansion, and probably more frequently, unlike most of the other things that are half-finished.
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Caiden Baxter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:36:00 -
[2404]
Is the moneybin too shallow CCP ? Need a bigger one perhaps.
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4N631
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:36:00 -
[2405]
No. In what alternative world are you living? Real life comparison is wrong at so many level... This pretty much confirms it in my mind. The number 1 question being asked remains completely unanswered.á
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Kinori Kalrath
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:39:00 -
[2406]
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Quote: which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions
No.
Hahaha, yeah i laughed when i saw that line, " real smooth and successful expansion mr ccp man! " :)
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NellieLovett
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:47:00 -
[2407]
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:50:00 -
[2408]
"You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are."
Even if you were to wear the most expensive jeans for sale anywhere do you expect PPL to think you are anything but a greedy bastard?
* Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
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Jake Maverick
Gallente X11 Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:50:00 -
[2409]
It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
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Shooter McGavvin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:51:00 -
[2410]
Originally by: Hyperforce99
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Eladaris
When CCP tried to introduce the Ishukone Watch Scorpion earlier this month as a ship produced from thin air, with no player involvement, for AUR... that didn't steal anything AT ALL from the players.
Sure, no one had to mine the minerals to produce the IW Scorpion, and no one had to buy the BPC and research it, nor mine the ice and spin the PI buttons to fuel that research.
No one had to load the raw materials into the manufacturing slots, nor drag it to a market hub, nor sell it (hopefully at a profit).
Instead a CCP dev simply had to pick a sexy new color scheme, and mass produce an unlimited number for profit.
Sure, we threw a fit and CCP promised to push back the deployment of the IW Scorpion for a few months... That didn't hurt us at all, we won!
But now... with this? CCP has well over 43,000 players happily playing Eve online as I write this. We lost, they won. The rest is just hang-wringing while the addicts try to come up with excuses to allow themselves to re-sub for another few years.
You're purposely blinding yourself to the reality of the day. The only reason there hasn't been a massive exodus yet, is that people are still awaiting an official reply regarding MT for ingame advantages. And that is PRECISELY the reason CCP haven't answered on the matter yet. When they start selling faction standing for Aurum, or super supercaps, or better-than-in-game battleships, or even regular economy-wrecking 'out of thin air' ships, I can guarantee you EVE will die shortly thereafter. And not even because people will run away screaming (many will, in fact); but simply because doing so will break the game on such a fundamental level, that, like Humptydumpty, it can't be put together again -- short of removing all 'Aurum for ingame advantages' trading.
Actually I recall that Ishukonen watch scorpion wasn't more than a re-skin or a paint job. The ships statistics would have been identical. Players would still trade in a real scorpion battleship for the Ishukonen Watch Scorpion
Selling paint jobs?
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Max Von Sydow
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
'
The difference is that when you buy a char from another player using isk you got from selling a PLEX, the isk comes from and go to other players.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:53:00 -
[2412]
Edited by: Amber Villaneous on 25/06/2011 16:54:36
Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
You are obviously are a mouthbreather that cannot think beyond your next meal. Go learn about economics/trade and then come back.
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Jake Maverick
Gallente X11 Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:54:00 -
[2413]
Originally by: Max Von Sydow
Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
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The difference is that when you buy a char from another player using isk you got from selling a PLEX, the isk comes from and go to other players.
But... CCP were the only ones to get real money in EITHER case... so the only difference is that no anonymous player benefits from some other anonymous players greed? I Fail to see where that breaks anything. I just feel like we are making mountains out of molehills
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:54:00 -
[2414]
Originally by: NellieLovett
lol
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:57:00 -
[2415]
Originally by: Jake Maverick I Fail to see where that breaks anything. I just feel like we are making mountains out of molehills
This might help explain the new business model.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/yellow2/crimeCycle_1.jpg
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Jake Maverick
Gallente X11 Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:58:00 -
[2416]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous Edited by: Amber Villaneous on 25/06/2011 16:54:36
Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
You are obviously are a mouthbreather that cannot think beyond your next meal. Go learn about economics/trade and then come back.
Wow Amber, you are clearly a pargon of perspicacity!! That was the most intelligent and well thought out response I've ever read. Thank you for educating me. I'm sure flaming a random player on the forum will REALLY show CCP how angry you are at them... tool...
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:01:00 -
[2417]
Originally by: Jake Maverick
Originally by: Amber Villaneous Edited by: Amber Villaneous on 25/06/2011 16:54:36
Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
You are obviously are a mouthbreather that cannot think beyond your next meal. Go learn about economics/trade and then come back.
Wow Amber, you are clearly a pargon of perspicacity!! That was the most intelligent and well thought out response I've ever read. Thank you for educating me. I'm sure flaming a random player on the forum will REALLY show CCP how angry you are at them... tool...
Thany you for your response, mostly for sucking up CCPs bandwidth and server space.
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Jake Maverick
Gallente X11 Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:03:00 -
[2418]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Jake Maverick I Fail to see where that breaks anything. I just feel like we are making mountains out of molehills
This might help explain the new business model.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/yellow2/crimeCycle_1.jpg
People do that now... They have been using ISK to make real money for the last... How long has EvE been live? Let's not grandstand about how we think it is opening an avenue for RMT criminals. And lets talk about the real issue. Everyone is angry because they expected these features to be part of the free expansion model, but CCP found a loophole in that model that lets them collect more money for game features. So everyone is angry that a Company is doing whats best for...a Company and not what people on this threadnaught want. Do I think CCP is right? No... do I think it's ultimately no big deal? yes... Do I think flaming this thread with insults about CCP employees will get what we want... no...
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Larik Olen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:04:00 -
[2419]
They didn't answer our questions, they fobbed us off with this insulting devblog.
NO TO MICROTRANSACTIONS! SAVE EVE!
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Kalmanaka
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:06:00 -
[2420]
Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
Thanks for totally failing to notice that the toon you bought was created by a player over a long period of time. It didn't appear out of thin air. The isk you used to buy that character didn't necessarily come from plex either. You could have earned it by playing the game and either way that isk goes to another player, not to CCP. Your analogy is full of fail. --------------------------------------- Estimate != Reality What you want != What you get You whine != Someone cares Learn to deal with it. -Abrazzar |
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Jake Maverick
Gallente X11 Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:09:00 -
[2421]
Originally by: Kalmanaka
Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
Thanks for totally failing to notice that the toon you bought was created by a player over a long period of time. It didn't appear out of thin air. The isk you used to buy that character didn't necessarily come from plex either. You could have earned it by playing the game and either way that isk goes to another player, not to CCP. Your analogy is full of fail.
I didn't buy this toon. Or any other toon. I have sold one though. I've been playing since 2008 whan the salesman where I bought my car told me about it during the test drive. I've loved the game ever since. Sure I will be angry about the months I spent on Gal BS lvl 5 and all my T2 Large Turret based weapon skills etc... if someone can buy those SP for money.... ALL I am saying is that it's not too far from what they can do now anyway...
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Sparkamatron
Caldari Union Of EVE
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:09:00 -
[2422]
Nice blog. If you want to **** off your customers that is. Otherwise it was rather pointless and totally missed the point in my humbe opinion.
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1Of9
Gallente The Circle SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:09:00 -
[2423]
I dont feel any sorry for ccp whatsoever.
this is the direct result of getting goons working in ccp.
enjoy.
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Meta2
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:14:00 -
[2424]
WOW CCP gets into the fashion industry... and the whole I am better than you because I am wearing a $ 1,000 pair of virtual jeans. Geeezz... I can think of dozens of game improvements that need to be made and instead we get this... fashion snootiness in a space game. If I want that I will go someplace with people in tuxedos while I am in tattered shorts and a biker shirt with my gut exposed.
How about some playability improvements? Like maybe a POS ship log? Ships coming/going and pilot...time in/time out... pretty basic but it would stop the BS about not knowing who took what and maybe stop the endless BS that thievery and thievery accusations cause.
How about making the bookmark system better? You would think that in a wormhole or empire space a ship could automatically transmit bookmarks to a POS central computer which would then upload those bookmarks to all corp ships within that system. Basic... but a major timesaver and eliminates a major annoyance of using cans for bookmarks. After all missions upload bm's to your neocom.
Geez... and the new currency is BS. A customization store is fine... but it should use ISK.
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Sakura Zendragon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:17:00 -
[2425]
Edited by: Sakura Zendragon on 25/06/2011 17:17:23 Just saw this on twitter. It just keeps getting better and better...
Quote: *facepalm* // RT @Babar1050: RT This is a joke right? @LadyCasseris @helicityboson i.imgur.com/RqKdl.png #tweetfleet
Now you attack the honesty of your (former) customers?
For shame...
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SgtHartman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 -
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Jai Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 -
[2427]
Did CCP really release this drivel? Are you deliberatelly trying to get people to un-sub... is that your "master" plan for dealing with fleet lag?
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:19:00 -
[2428]
Real world comparison makes perfect sense. If it's such an expensive item, (and btw, they sell aluminum jewelry in some places for hundreds of dollars, to the rich and extravagant), then less people will own one. It has to do with availability, and results in only the truly wealthy forking out their shillings for it, while other people scoff or scorn at the thought.
Could use a minor price nerf, but if they don't it doesn't really matter. It's what separates the truly rich, from the common folk; things which despite being of comparable quality, cost a great deal more.
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Sanadoon1
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:25:00 -
[2429]
I am very concerned and upset with CCP as a company. Their attempts at public relations have been a joke and they seem to enjoy hurting and frustrating their customers. Unfortunately, they also seem unwilling to pay attention to any comments or opinions from their customers. The only question I have at this moment is what can I do, as an individual, to make my voice heard? This post probably won't be noticed or cared about. CCP has repeatedly shown that the CSM's opinions are ignored, subscription cancellation hurts me as much as them. What can I do? Should I write a letter? Go down to the office in Atlanta and make somebody deal with a person face to face?
CCP, tell me what can I do so that you listen to your customers!
CCP Zulu's dev blog also shows extreme disconnect with your players and the leaked email shows how little you care about them. I would be ashamed to break the trust of all these people and by all the frustration and anger that you have personally caused.
I am angry and looking for a way to show CCP that I am so.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:28:00 -
[2430]
Edited by: RAW23 on 25/06/2011 17:30:46
Originally by: Jake Maverick It just occured to me you can Already buy SP for real $$
Step 1 Start an account Step 2 Buy a mess of PLEX Step 3 Sell PLEX Step 4 Buy a High SP toon from someone else
::looks around:: games doesn't look to be broken by that yet.... And if people can use AUR to buy special ammo or ships... I am sure those will land on the open isk market eventually so just do a couple more missions, buy it, and be happy... OR better yet, just start a corp whose purpose is to war dec and gank everyone who you see in an AUR ship <- (totally ok By EvE's rules) AS for CQ I Friggen love it, but thats because my PC is fairly good I get about 45 FPS in my CQ. I can imagine people with min spec PC's would like the old hangar back... CCP, can we get that option please before one of these fine people have an anurism?
Selling plex introduces an input into the economy that has no ingame effect, the plex, and that disappears from the game with use. So the introduction and use of plex does not add or remove anything else from the economy. Isk that is already in the economy will circulate when plexes are bought and sold ingame but the amount of isk in the game remains the same. Now, this does allow people to spend real life cash and buy ingame advantages BUT it does so in a way that doesn't introduce alien elements into the (relatively) closed system of the economy. In addition, plex does something that could not be done in any other way and is, thus, a special case. The purpose of plex is to allow people to play for free and to limit the profitability of rmt and botting. There is no non-MT way of reaching those goals so most people are willing to accept that people will be able to buy an advantage as a necessary evil in exchange for the positives that plex provides for the community.
MT for vanity, power and convenience, on the other hand, is not the only way to introduce those additional items into the game. They could equally well be introduced as normal items, so there is no claim of a necessary evil here. In addition, the production of items out of thin air introduces alien elements into the economy, elements that could, potentially, have ingame effects but that are not built by players (and the current batch seem to be indestructible as well). A third issue is that of resource distribution: not only are CCP introducing something that is not a necessary evil that is balanced by providng something extra to the community, they are actually introducing this new content at the expense of the community since development time and effort are being spent on these features rather than non-MT features. And this leads onto a fourth point that once CCP have decided to monetise power and convenience they then have reasons to REMOVE functionality from the core game in order to sell it back for extra money (for instance, the removal of the ability to store more than 50 ship fittings has been removed but the CCP newsletter discusses selling precisely that for people who will pay more).
Edit - But personally I think most of the rage is due to CCP's attitude towards its player base rather than the specific features being implemented. Players used to love CCP as a company but their contempuous arrogance has turned that love to hate over a period of time for many people. This has all been brewing for a while and the stuff around the Incrna release is the straw(s) that broke the camel's back.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:29:00 -
[2431]
History repeats itself: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1354510&page=57#1682
SCRUM: "deliver value early and often"
"If there is a long-term cunning plan in the works for the person/avatar stuff, then it would still be "intangible benefits" in the business case. However, if they have the cash and the stomach for it - and that's where they want to go - then that's the business case.
btw: please fix my rockets"
TL;DR I guess there was a cunning plan, but question is still the same as a year ago: do they have the cash and the stomach?
----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:30:00 -
[2432]
Edited by: Amber Villaneous on 25/06/2011 17:31:40
Originally by: Jake Maverick I didn't buy this toon. Or any other toon. I have sold one though. I've been playing since 2008 whan the salesman where I bought my car told me about it during the test drive. I've loved the game ever since. Sure I will be angry about the months I spent on Gal BS lvl 5 and all my T2 Large Turret based weapon skills etc... if someone can buy those SP for money.... ALL I am saying is that it's not too far from what they can do now anyway...
I'll try again. It is WAY far away from what can be done now.
When you by that GTC, yes real money goes to CCP, that is great they are a business and need to make real money.
When you turn that GTC into PLEX and sell it there is a player buying it, either for investment or gametime. That player played the game to get that ISK. You are not selling that PLEX to an NPC and creating ISK out of nothing.
Anything that you purchase with that ISK was made/aquired via current ingame mechanics by people playing the game or the few NPC items left in the market such BPOs.
Even of you use that ISK to buy a character you are buying someone elses time and effort and nothing has changed ingame except the guy behind the keyboard controlling that character.
Saying that you can already buy an adavantage is true in the sense that the individual player can IF there is a buyer for the PLEX and THEN someone is selling something already in the game that has been made/aquired cia current mechanics. In the larger sense it is not true to the sandbox as a whole because all that is happening is the trasnsfer of already existing gametime/ISK/SP/items that already exist.
Once real money can instantly spawn IWIN out of thin air the sandbox is dead. EVE will still be around, for awhile, for those that don't care or have a large disposable income to spend on IWIN items. Until the only people left playing are the people shooting IWIN ammo at each other.
At that point how long will it be profitable to reboot the server everyday. If CCP can make that work YAY for them, I won't be around for it tho so NOTYAY for me.
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TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:32:00 -
[2433]
Originally by: Sanadoon1 I am very concerned and upset with CCP as a company. Their attempts at public relations have been a joke and they seem to enjoy hurting and frustrating their customers. Unfortunately, they also seem unwilling to pay attention to any comments or opinions from their customers. The only question I have at this moment is what can I do, as an individual, to make my voice heard? This post probably won't be noticed or cared about. CCP has repeatedly shown that the CSM's opinions are ignored, subscription cancellation hurts me as much as them. What can I do? Should I write a letter? Go down to the office in Atlanta and make somebody deal with a person face to face?
CCP, tell me what can I do so that you listen to your customers!
CCP Zulu's dev blog also shows extreme disconnect with your players and the leaked email shows how little you care about them. I would be ashamed to break the trust of all these people and by all the frustration and anger that you have personally caused.
I am angry and looking for a way to show CCP that I am so.
Mate, responses like yours that are civil, not filled with "shouting" or curses towards CCP are the kind of responses this thread needs. My reply, your reply and all of the kind "we want to help CCP" posts will be lost in the torrent of pure rage. CCP won't listen to shouting, but posts that are calm despite the players emotion.
I want to see CCP come back as a company that knows it's playerbase.
Just my thoughts, thank you for your post.
-Pete
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:34:00 -
[2434]
Originally by: Marcus Vorenius TL;DR I guess there was a cunning plan, but question is still the same as a year ago: do they have the cash and the stomach?
From Hilmars position it would seem that revenue streams don't matter and it's all just a big box to hide money in.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:35:00 -
[2435]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot Just cancelled the sub on my Alt.
Reason: In game issues.
Specific: Last Patch
Would like to add anything further:
This is what I wrote. 'The condescending attitude of CCP Zulu in particular, the epic fail of a patch which doesn't work unless one own's a super-computer. The lack of a guarantee that MT will not be used for anything other than vanity items. The breathtaking arrogance exhibited in the leaked copy of 'Fearless' and CCP senior management's total contempt and failure to understand the level of hurt and betrayal within the EVE player family.
When CQ and WIS become optional, when guarantee's are given that MT is for vanity items only and most importantly when CCP management and CCP Zulu publicly acknowledge that they have monumentally failed to understand and act on the genuine greviences of your paying customers and apologise, explaining how they intend to rebuild trust, then I may return to a world that I will miss but who's custodians have come to live in a reality that I have no wish to partake of anymore.
If you wish to contact me to speak of the issues I've raised, you have my contact details.
I bid you farewell.'
As it's clear I'm just a statistic to them, I'm sure my ú13 a month won't be missed. But if everyone here grows a set of balls, follow through with their dissatisfaction and at least cancel their Alt's but keep their main, I'm sure that ú13 a month times by several thousand will be missed.
I also cancelled 3 accounts;
Percivs Zealotforhire Rouksobada Micyba
(not logins you greedy bastards, just the character names so that CCP can confirm these accounts have in fact been cancelled.)
I voiced my opinions last year about RMT. This is my commitment in action.
--- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E. |
Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:41:00 -
[2436]
Cancelled:
Reason: In game issues. Specific: Last Patch Would like to add anything further: I don't wear 1000 dollar jeans, so I guess EvE isn't the game for me.
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Aptiva Rin
Caldari Guerillas Of The Underground
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:43:00 -
[2437]
After all of this, you would think Zulu would be fired. #justsayin
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Leenie
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:44:00 -
[2438]
Cancelled. It's the only way to make a real protest.
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Lord Cath
Amarr Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:46:00 -
[2439]
unsubbed my accounts...
It became very clear after Helmar's mail, that the bigshots at CCP see us as kids who do not know what's best for them, which is pretty funny, seen as most of the players in EvE are between 25 and 35. So, take my word for it CCP, we do know what's best for us. We know what we want in this game, and that is what you guys sold to us in the beginning. When EvE was your pride and joy, a flagship you could indeed be immensely proud of.
But when it becomes very clear that EvE to you guys has become a milking cow to fund other games 90% of EvE players are not interested in and you start adressing this playerbase with a form of arrogance I have never seen a company use towards it's customers before, the best thing to do is just walk away and hope you guys at one point realise what a wonderful thing you are destroying.
tbh I'm not holding my breath... _________________________________________________
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:50:00 -
[2440]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 17:51:24
Originally by: Lord Cath unsubbed my accounts...
It became very clear after Helmar's mail, that the bigshots at CCP see us as kids who do not know what's best for them, which is pretty funny, seen as most of the players in EvE are between 25 and 35. So, take my word for it CCP, we do know what's best for us. We know what we want in this game, and that is what you guys sold to us in the beginning. When EvE was your pride and joy, a flagship you could indeed be immensely proud of.
But when it becomes very clear that EvE to you guys has become a milking cow to fund other games 90% of EvE players are not interested in and you start adressing this playerbase with a form of arrogance I have never seen a company use towards it's customers before, the best thing to do is just walk away and hope you guys at one point realise what a wonderful thing you are destroying.
tbh I'm not holding my breath...
To Hilmar this just confirms his tact "good. I want to replace customer base with 12-15yos who can't think"
edit:ugh coffee
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
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Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:56:00 -
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Perhaps, another interpretation:
Quote: This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Iæm going to address both these issues right here.
I wasnt here for the Incarna deployment, but now Ive updated, it seems fine to me. Ive got what I was expecting to see and by and large I enjoy it - I love the ability to stand on the 'balcony' and looka t the ship. He's also acknowledged that the pricing policy of vanity goods on Nex was different (higher) than a large portion of the playerbase thought it was going to be.
Quote: Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itæs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
+ re-read the entire paragraph about the 'Fearless' internal brainstorm/newsletter. It seems it was just somewhere for CCP staff to look at everything that's possible. They were responding to questions like "What could we do?" - not "What shall we do".. COULD...
[Pricing Structure] - the whole pricing structure is pretty self explanatory, but the following is interesting:
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
That doesnt say 'we will gradually introduce ships and ammo' -- taken in context of the rest of the paragraph it means 'we will gradually introduce other items of clothing and accessories, at lower and higher costs that you've already seen'.
If you take the statement out of context (like, in relation to the leaked document), you could sure take "items" to mean "everything and anything" ..
-- Overall -- I think it could have been worded better. It doesn't strictly say one way or the other, but taken in context of *itself*, it implies only other vanity items will be added to NEx.
Just saying :P
Pew-pew and out.
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Tiger Prince
Minmatar Democracy of Klingon Brothers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulu People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
The major problem is that you aren't giving us the option for the under $50 pair of jeans, the closer comparison is either buy the $1000 pair or go naked (some would be willing to pay for that option too)
The other major problem is that the real issue was never addressed. Does CCP plan to issue non-vanity items in the NEX? It needs to be addressed. The *****footing around the issue that has the community up in arms is just making everyone upset. The way I see it is that CCP can come out and say 1 of 3 things: 1: No, only vanity items will be released. (most people of the community would rejoice and request that statement in writing) 2: Yes, we have plans to offer non-vanity items. (some will rage quit, most will stick around to see how bad it is screwed up by CCP then laugh at their failure) 3: Maybe, we have no current plans to offer non-vanity items but we are not ruling out the possibility in the future. (most people would still be mad but at least it would be a straight answer not some party line bullsh*t)
In short CCP, answer the question. We don't want to hear about $1000 jeans when we are asking a completely different question. Will there be non-vanity items in NeX? "Creation is so precious and greed so destructive." |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:03:00 -
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The major problem is they are doing a player purge.
Nothing to do with prices.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso I DON'T SEE YOU PROTESTING ABOUT BOTTING AND MACRO'ING WHICH GIVE MOST NULL SEC ALLIANCES AN ADVANTAGE
Dude... I wrote http://www.reportbots.com. I got a mention at the last fanfest for my efforts to curb the botting problems in Eve. WTF have you done about it?
*THIS* is a much more important topic for me at the moment. *If* they will be introducing pay to win at any point in the near or distant future to this game *it will break*. Period.
Having said that, let me also say this. If this was the first time we've been down this road with CCP I'd be (and have been) on your side of the fence laughing at all the rage emo stuff and wondering why? But I've come over to the other side of the fence after watching CCP duly ignore their customers requests for game content and instead shove all manner of, well, not much really, at us for several years - all the while breaking even more and more of what brought most of us to this game in the first place - internet spaceship pew pew game. Not barbie dolls game, internet spaceship pew pew game. I turned CQ off on patch day. I already played with it on SiSi - it's cool but until there is more to do than flesh spinning I don't see the point.
I also already saw the items in the Noble Exchange, and indeed the noble exchange itself and bought and wore most of the junk they released to help them test. I, personally, have little interest in playing dress up barbies and won't spend real money on vanity items anyway.
If, however, they plan on introducing any of the 'Goron Gecko' actor topics, even in the benign case - where they introduce pay to win (pay real cash for a distinct advantage in an already subscription sandbox game) then it is game over for everyone whether you like it or not.
While I agree that CCP hasn't said they *will* introduce MT items that give players an advantage, the also have *not* said they will not. It's a simple question upon which many, many, many subsriptions to Eve hang in the balance on. Judging from CCPs history in recent years, I can only speculate, assume and am already thoroughly convinced that the lack of a proper response to that one simple question *is* the response. CCP has done this before. They did it with bots if you remember. I raged and wrote reportbots.com in response and it finally got some attention. I think I know what I'm talking about here. If you want to help, unsubscribe your account. You don't have to emo rage quit - you simply have to unsubscribe and give CCP a chance to figure out they made a mistake. In a few months or so, hell who knows - maybe in 6-7 mos from now, they'll either have mitigated this problem, in which case we all come back, or they have not, in which case we haven't wasted another 6-7 mos of our time or money being milked like cows or thought of as golden geese who will blindly and happily pay for CCPs vision of the future - which seems to be in sharp contrast to a spaceship game.
The most disturbing thing of all for me is Hilmar actually thinks that making a game which is more relevant in peoples lives than real life itself is a 'good thing'. It is if your only concern is the bottom line. But man that opened my eyes wide and but quick. Immersion in a game is one thing, but to want your customers to consider their Eve lives more relevant than their real lives just sickens me. I'm all for writing a good game and having people enjoy it, but to make world domination through virtual reality a goal? Ugh.
So, mate, I was on your side a few years ago. I've been here for a long time and loved every minute of playing the game and used to laugh and think people were over-reacting. We're not. We're reacting in the only way CCP ever listens - by unsibscribing our accounts or making such a public spectacle of them that they have little recourse but to listen to their players. This time, they're getting both. That's how f*cked this has gotten.
Here... I have an extra pitchfork for you...
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Kynder Furlow
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus The major problem is they are doing a player purge.
Nothing to do with prices.
Thats not a problem, thats good - there are far too many inactive char's with stuff for sale on the market and dead corporations using up good names with good tags B>
Plus, anyone with a name like "hauler2302535" should have all their assets wiped and their ships destroyed every time they log in =D
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Jake Maverick
Gallente X11 Assault and Recon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:07:00 -
[2446]
@ Raw23 and Amber. (too lazy to try and make the quote as my dog has an appt with the vet) I get where you are coming from, and I understand the apprehension, and maybe to some extent the anger. But I would still also like to point out, that the EvE economy is NOT a closed circuit. ISK IS generated out of thin air by at least 2 means that I am aware of. 1 Is running missions and the other is mining yeah some of that isk goes back to the circuit immediately in the form of ammo sales crystal sales etc... but asteroids come back every few days(I know the asteroid analogy is bad b/c it depends on a buyer, but mission rewards do not) and missions are always available. If this isk is continually added without a means of removing some from the circuit it will lead to inflation. This is why certain things are sold by NPCs, and corp offices and sov and what not all cost isk. To take it out of the circuit. I think that instead of raging at ccp... maybe we should let them try it out and see if it does break anything. What is EvE really? I think selling Ships for AUR will have actually the opposite effect of inflation. If I can buy a Domi for 5 dollars worth of AUR... the price in isk is going to have to come down to compete. The problem I see comes in the long term. Someone does have to d that ining and someone does have to do that manufacturing. Those lower prices cannot be sustainable. Anyway all I am saying from the begining, is basically, Why don't we let them try what they are doing and look at some actual Data when they present the next market analysis before we surround HQ with pitch forks and torches. Besides it's not like SQL doesn't allow us to selectively roll back. and SISI will not give them any relibale market data to roll with... I'm not sucking up to CCP... I'm just trying to see it from all sides...
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4N631
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:09:00 -
[2447]
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
86 pages over 2500 posts and this is all you have to say?
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Pacifica Dace
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:15:00 -
[2448]
Originally by: TheButcherPete
Originally by: Sanadoon1 I am very concerned and upset with CCP as a company. Their attempts at public relations have been a joke and they seem to enjoy hurting and frustrating their customers. Unfortunately, they also seem unwilling to pay attention to any comments or opinions from their customers. The only question I have at this moment is what can I do, as an individual, to make my voice heard? This post probably won't be noticed or cared about. CCP has repeatedly shown that the CSM's opinions are ignored, subscription cancellation hurts me as much as them. What can I do? Should I write a letter? Go down to the office in Atlanta and make somebody deal with a person face to face?
CCP, tell me what can I do so that you listen to your customers!
CCP Zulu's dev blog also shows extreme disconnect with your players and the leaked email shows how little you care about them. I would be ashamed to break the trust of all these people and by all the frustration and anger that you have personally caused.
I am angry and looking for a way to show CCP that I am so.
Mate, responses like yours that are civil, not filled with "shouting" or curses towards CCP are the kind of responses this thread needs. My reply, your reply and all of the kind "we want to help CCP" posts will be lost in the torrent of pure rage. CCP won't listen to shouting, but posts that are calm despite the players emotion.
I want to see CCP come back as a company that knows it's playerbase.
Just my thoughts, thank you for your post.
-Pete
Well said. I love this game and think that it is unique. I love the long term planning involved in character progression, the variety of gameplay activities and styles and the unique community and in-game economy. That said do to this long term commitment, I would appreciate knowing that the Eve universe will be stable and to know that I am not investing time into my characters just to have that economy crumble and the community dissolve.
I know that this has been asked a thousand times, but I think that an honest, straightforward answer to the question "Are non-vainty items planned for the NeX?" would be a huge help towards stabilizing the current situation, calming the fears of the Eve community and working to restore the community's trust in CCP
-Pacifica
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Telven Stareal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:23:00 -
[2449]
Originally by: Kynder Furlow Perhaps, another interpretation:
Quote: This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. Iæm going to address both these issues right here.
I wasnt here for the Incarna deployment, but now Ive updated, it seems fine to me. Ive got what I was expecting to see and by and large I enjoy it - I love the ability to stand on the 'balcony' and looka t the ship. He's also acknowledged that the pricing policy of vanity goods on Nex was different (higher) than a large portion of the playerbase thought it was going to be.
Quote: Fearless
Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itæs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
+ re-read the entire paragraph about the 'Fearless' internal brainstorm/newsletter. It seems it was just somewhere for CCP staff to look at everything that's possible. They were responding to questions like "What could we do?" - not "What shall we do".. COULD...
[Pricing Structure] - the whole pricing structure is pretty self explanatory, but the following is interesting:
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
That doesnt say 'we will gradually introduce ships and ammo' -- taken in context of the rest of the paragraph it means 'we will gradually introduce other items of clothing and accessories, at lower and higher costs that you've already seen'.
If you take the statement out of context (like, in relation to the leaked document), you could sure take "items" to mean "everything and anything" ..
-- Overall -- I think it could have been worded better. It doesn't strictly say one way or the other, but taken in context of *itself*, it implies only other vanity items will be added to NEx.
Just saying :P
Pew-pew and out.
I respect your view on this. But as even you say. This implies nothing. It doesn't really answer any questions/concerns of ours.
Myself? I admit I like the idea of CQ, I would like to see where it really leads. BUT, I am concerned on the real lack of customer service/response to the complants listed here and on just about every other forum on this site. Folks talk about problems with perforance, issues with pricing of vanity items and deep concern about the chance of game changing items being listed.
I realize CCP is a business and as one, then need to make money. This is understanable. However at what cost? They are alienating their long term customers. If they really do offer SP/ships/gate unlocks to "special" uber area's they might as well tell all those long time customers to take a flying leap. And for what? To appeal to a different customer base? Kids who will come in, beg their folks for money to be able to get an epic ship and all the skills to fly it... those folks may spend a few hundred right away. But those are the ones that leave after a month.
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pipvac
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:23:00 -
[2450]
Edited by: pipvac on 25/06/2011 18:25:51 Its 19:08 here in the UK, and TQ shows 49k online on a Saturday night. I'm guessing that the mass exodus must take time to show right? Or is CCP's internal email a better reflection that the silent majority are spending money on vanity items, and continue to play as normal?
I suspect the latter is true, and the ragequits represent an insignificant fraction of the account base, which will soon be replaced by fresh subscribers, who are not put off by the MT model.
I am against MT when it pertains to play2win, because it undermines the investment in skills, and resource gathering, which I have put into the game, as part of my time in the sandbox. PLEX also concerns me, as is nothing more than CCP endorsed RMT, but the positive impact on players who cannot afford subscription charges is a strong advantage, and differentiates this from RMT significantly.
RMT is a similar issue. The community is clearly against the idea that someone can gain an unfair advantage buy spending their disposable income on buying isk, to gain items in game they would otherwise not be able to afford. MT in the context of play2win, will have the same effect in the sandbox, but will be a legitimised version of it. In my humble view a step too far. This is the line that if crossed, will lead to my departure.
Otherwise, the rest is just window dressing, which I can choose not to participate in, without impacting my gameplay in anyway.
A reasoned argument is far more likely to get the attention of the decision makers than a raging lynch mob with nothing to offer other than an unmeasured response. Desperately seeking originality since the first "can I have your stuff" since 2003. |
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NellieLovett
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:28:00 -
[2451]
Originally by: pipvac Edited by: pipvac on 25/06/2011 18:25:51 Its 19:08 here in the UK, and TQ shows 49k online on a Saturday night. I'm guessing that the mass exodus must take time to show right? Or is CCP's internal email a better reflection that the silent majority are spending money on vanity items, and continue to play as normal?
I suspect the latter is true, and the ragequits represent an insignificant fraction of the account base, which will soon be replaced by fresh subscribers, who are not put off by the MT model.
I am against MT when it pertains to play2win, because it undermines the investment in skills, and resource gathering, which I have put into the game, as part of my time in the sandbox. PLEX also concerns me, as is nothing more than CCP endorsed RMT, but the positive impact on players who cannot afford subscription charges is a strong advantage, and differentiates this from RMT significantly.
RMT is a similar issue. The community is clearly against the idea that someone can gain an unfair advantage buy spending their disposable income on buying isk, to gain items in game they would otherwise not be able to afford. MT in the context of play2win, will have the same effect in the sandbox, but will be a legitimised version of it. In my humble view a step too far. This is the line that if crossed, will lead to my departure.
Otherwise, the rest is just window dressing, which I can choose not to participate in, without impacting my gameplay in anyway.
A reasoned argument is far more likely to get the attention of the decision makers than a raging lynch mob with nothing to offer other than an unmeasured response.
When you unsub, you still have remaining game time until the end of the billing cycle. Wait a month and you will see the real results.
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Aviditas
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:28:00 -
[2452]
#1 I am not a cash cow to be milked at your whimsy and to be disrespected and not listened to as a customer for over two years.
#2 Yes the people being dragged through the mud are getting what they deserved so long as threats are not involved. You've come to the wrong shop for a pityfest bro. We are Mad. You will ignore us at your financial peril.
#3 I paid (past tense, I unsubbed a few hours ago) for EVE with the understanding that my money gave you some profit and paid for FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF EVE. I never heard of WoD before yesterday but I'm here to tell you Im not paying for you to ignore the game I play while you dev another game. And yes youre ignoring it. Incarna was crap slapped together by people who pretty obviously could not have cared less.
#4 As of this moment the Corp of which I am the CEO (for the next few weeks anyway till time is done. ) is adopting an AURUM free policy. No one buying it will be recruited nor tolerated.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:29:00 -
[2453]
Originally by: Jake Maverick @ Raw23 and Amber. (too lazy to try and make the quote as my dog has an appt with the vet) I get where you are coming from, and I understand the apprehension, and maybe to some extent the anger. But I would still also like to point out, that the EvE economy is NOT a closed circuit. ISK IS generated out of thin air by at least 2 means that I am aware of. 1 Is running missions and the other is mining yeah some of that isk goes back to the circuit immediately in the form of ammo sales crystal sales etc... but asteroids come back every few days(I know the asteroid analogy is bad b/c it depends on a buyer, but mission rewards do not) and missions are always available. If this isk is continually added without a means of removing some from the circuit it will lead to inflation. This is why certain things are sold by NPCs, and corp offices and sov and what not all cost isk. To take it out of the circuit. I think that instead of raging at ccp... maybe we should let them try it out and see if it does break anything. What is EvE really? I think selling Ships for AUR will have actually the opposite effect of inflation. If I can buy a Domi for 5 dollars worth of AUR... the price in isk is going to have to come down to compete. The problem I see comes in the long term. Someone does have to d that ining and someone does have to do that manufacturing. Those lower prices cannot be sustainable. Anyway all I am saying from the begining, is basically, Why don't we let them try what they are doing and look at some actual Data when they present the next market analysis before we surround HQ with pitch forks and torches. Besides it's not like SQL doesn't allow us to selectively roll back. and SISI will not give them any relibale market data to roll with... I'm not sucking up to CCP... I'm just trying to see it from all sides...
I understand what you are saying. But, the isk from rats and mining still come from someone doing something and trainging the skills that let them do that something. Your reasoning on the mining is a prime example of why mining and manufacturing are not as profitable as they should be, just because you mined that trit it is not "free", time is worth something but noobs do not take that into account.
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:31:00 -
[2454]
Originally by: pipvac Its 19:08 here in the UK, and TQ shows 49k online on a Saturday night. I'm guessing that the mass exodus must take time to show right? Or is CCP's internal email a better reflection that the silent majority are spending money on vanity items, and continue to play as normal?
You have to understand that a lot of the people closing down their accounts have paid up front. Some of them for months. I sure hope they'll use all the bandwidth they can get a hold of while their subscription is still active. Anything else would be a gift to CCP that they don't deserve.
That said, 49k isn't exactly a record number, especially for a weekend.
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Cy Kho
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:31:00 -
[2455]
What a joke. Just canceled 2 accounts, downloading a replacement MMORPG.
Eve was so much fun, CCP. Wish you would have just continued to put time and effort into what we all like, which was internet spaceships. Instead, you got greedy and arrogant and decided we would pay for whatever crap you decided to force on us.
Oh well, I had fun for a couple of years. Hope you sell lots of $1000 jeans to all your subscribers who aren't "economically challenged"
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:33:00 -
[2456]
Also, consider that EVE relies about 90-95% on word of mouth. As small as the unsubbers may be (lets wait a month to see the subs drop, shall we), they are very, very vocal, and this ****storm will not only affect CCP's current playerbase to tap into, but also the future one, as bitter vets will be fuming left and right over this.
Hell, I'm actually all FOR CQ and vanity items and avatar (as in ingame character representation) level of immersion, because, lets face it, the actual world of EVE is not very immersive, but I strongly disagree with both the presented product, and the presentation that is Incarna and the ****storm.
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Onyx Blackman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:36:00 -
[2457]
Originally by: Kynder Furlow
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus The major problem is they are doing a player purge.
Nothing to do with prices.
Thats not a problem, thats good - there are far too many inactive char's with stuff for sale on the market and dead corporations using up good names with good tags B>
Plus, anyone with a name like "hauler2302535" should have all their assets wiped and their ships destroyed every time they log in =D
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Harpalyce Dynameos
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:39:00 -
[2458]
So yeah that was cool. I went to bed thinking, I love CCP they're bound to sort this out in the morning, I said some heated things in the moment, but damnit Zulu doesn't taste good in my mouth *zing* 50 pages later and not a single blue response. Sure it's the weekend, but I find it odd that with the chaos going on you could actually go home! So the lack of answer one way or another about what the hell is going to happen with the NeX is telling.
Sure the pricing in the NeX is absurd compared to other "micro transactions" (and just because 1B ISK isn't far off for a player to reach doesn't mean the player is rich in RL... plus have you guys been watching too much 1978 Battlestar Galactica, last I check micro was generally accepted as being small, but maybe it's asinine for the players to assume micro, and not just go with transactions, but live and let live) Which brings up a great point! You don't have to buy from the NeX! I know I got that! Thanks for telling me like I didn't know! I never wanted to in the first place! Thanks for the update Zulu! But we kind of missed that blog we were promised that was going to talk about the pricing structure... so the players have nothing to go on... so even I personally thought we'd be looking at $0.99-$5.00, but nope, much worse, which is cool, solidifies my thought I'd never purchase from the NeX. It's all just for vanity after all right? right? ...oh gawd...
Then I find out about this Fearless newsletter, yeah you confirmed my thoughts, it's an internal document meant to spark debate. But the problem here is that it should have never been thought about period! You don't quit meth and think, you know what, what if I try a strawberry variety, hypothetical of course! Or just a little... You don't promise no game changing MT then within the confines of your Icelandic/Shanghai/Atlanta fortresses think "but what if..." That's a road you don't want to start down, but I guess you already have.
I'm pretty depressed at the turn of events occurring in my sandbox, finding ****storms in it, and all the butterflies are gone. I've been playing since early 2007, that's 4 years, over $500 later I find myself questioning if I want to drop another $500, let alone another $15, only to be talked down to by a dev blog, as if we're the ones not being fair... Because dammit admonishing your customers is always right!
CCP it's been fun, and while I got several months left on my subscriptions, doesn't mean I don't spite you right now. If communication never opens up and the players fears put to rest, I might find myself without the companionship of my sandbox.
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Xue Tzestu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:42:00 -
[2459]
You know I just started the game a little bit before Incarna. I was fairly stoked for Incarna. CQ was something I wanted for some time in EVE...I had toyed with the game before but it hadn't held my attention till recently. At the start of the wildfire of hate I was still supportive. Even after reading the newsletter that was leaked I was still supportive. It wasn't hard once you realize the intent of it all. It wasn't hard not being here for supposed promises of before. I mean I could understand people being upset to a extent, but I felt some things were blown out of porportion.
So I kept reading and reading and reading the appology thread. Kept looking at peopls concerns. Kept trying to understand peoples rage at this all. Even then I still thought most of the anger was a bit much. It didn't seem to be that big a deal to me. Sure, disapointment, a bit of anger I could understand. The ammount of vitrol that flowed from some people I couldn't understand at all. Then I read the blog post a short while ago...
To say it changed my understanding would be a understatement. The first part...sure that was great. It needed to be said and was said well. The second part on the other hand... The comparison of real clothing to virtual items was at best naive. At worst... it was plain ignorant. These aren't things we wear in real life. In real life you pay for quality. In EVE there is no difference in quality. Its all the same. The best that could be done to simulate that would be quality of textures...thats a insult to us at best. Charging us for good quality textures...would be absurd. Charging us prices thats close to real life items is a insult as well.
Besides that the largest issue screamed at CCP from the player base...wasn't even remotely addressed. The singular most important issue...and its ignored. The fact they commented with pure contempt about the secondary issue of pricing to us...
As much as I'd love to keep supporting things, supporting the game, supporting WoD by proxy....I have a hard time supporting that decision.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:44:00 -
[2460]
lesse... my account expires on the... 26th next month. I'm gonna try to hold on for this time to see if anything happens.
if not, I always have Perpetuum. the game actually looks like EVE circa 2004.
with the exception you're in a bot that is. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
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Zarat Weissman
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:44:00 -
[2461]
Im still waiting for this -> "Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog."
There are tons of stuff to reply to...and yet all we get is silence and leaked stuff.
WTF
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Telven Stareal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:48:00 -
[2462]
I ran out of room.
As I was saying that customer base is not going to show the dedication that their current customer base does. I haven't played that long myself, only a few years. But I had settled in for the long haul. Now based off of the replys I have seen from CCP or lack there of. I may find a different mmo to play. I am not a fan of the thought that some kid could come into the game and be able to fly a fully t2 fitted BS or any uber ship. I put time into the game to get where I am at. As many other ppl have, and as many ppl have stated, we want an answer. A real answer and not a dev giving a vague statement that says they know our issues and nothing more... we know what our concerns are. If we want someone to repost it, we can do that ourselves.
Please don't take this as rage. I am simply explaining my view and would love to have an answer.
P.S. you may have done more damage to yourselves by acknowledgeing that the leak was real and claiming it was a "theory" then a plan. Because anything that could be listed as a thoery could become a real plan at some point. You would have been better off simply dening it all together, considering you have already destoryed the trust of your customers.. why start being somewhat honest about that now of all times? I urge you, no beg you please let us know if you plan on putting things other than vanity items in the shop!
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:55:00 -
[2463]
". In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions"
There's a broadsword with a bubble up in Jita ! Successful expansion ? Delusional much ?
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Slaqer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:56:00 -
[2464]
Quote: Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions.
According to the EVE F.A.Q on your website, AUR should never exist. If your own website is deceitful, why should we trust what you say? Just more food for thought. |
Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:59:00 -
[2465]
SMOOTH AND SUCCESSFUL AVOIDANCE OF MOST OF THE SERIOUS CONCERNS. GTFO.
ALSO CLOTHES IN REAL LIFE DO NOT COST AS MUCH AS A BATTLESHIP
~~~
(ಠ_ృ)
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Xavier Castle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:59:00 -
[2466]
Edited by: Xavier Castle on 25/06/2011 19:03:38 That is the worst thing i ever read in a Dev Blog, all CCP did was insult us. Its not us, its you CCP... Its outrageous, all this new content that is out of reach of most of us. You seem to be creating an even bigger "****storm". There are many people like me who never use the forums, who just play peacefully with a few friends... and now i'm forced for the 2nd time in a week to post.
I pay every month for you to run and develop eve online, not for you to develop other games and items that must be bought on top of that.
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Nexus Aurelia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:05:00 -
[2467]
This still doesn't address the issues I brought up in my subscription cancellation reason, nor does it address the issues brought up in the huge threadnaughts we've had regarding this joke of an "expansion".
It's insulting, the tone is condescending and this devblog should have been left to someone who knows how to interact with their customers rather than just their subordinates.
Do your damn job CCP and get real.
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Draconian Arcane
Bastards Of New Eden Damned Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:05:00 -
[2468]
This version is terrible, its an outrage... Rabble... Rabble rabble rabble...
[url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/view/player-Draconian%20Arcane-kills.html][img]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,Draconian%20Arcane/tpl,minmatar3/signature.pn |
Shiv Undano
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:10:00 -
[2469]
<repeat-mode> Will you introduce items with a game effect to the shop or will you stick to vanity items as initially stated? YES/NO
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zoltar pdp
WALLTREIPERS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:11:00 -
[2470]
So that's it? No answer to the main big concerns people is writing in big colored letters?
So sad to see this game go down due to the company behind it not respecting their customers.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:14:00 -
[2471]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
I have to agree with this on many levels... the fact is (as Sabrina so eloquently stated) that a player can in fact buy game changing advantages with an RMT, I.E. buy GTC, convert to plex, sell plex, get uber stuffs....
You apparently do not understand economics on anything other than a very basic level.
While I may be mistaken, that answer/comment leads me to believe that you apparently did not read, understand, or grasp the concept and meaning of my post.
In any case, the response is appreciated nonetheless.
Thanks K.S.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:15:00 -
[2472]
Originally by: Slaqer Edited by: Slaqer on 25/06/2011 19:10:04
Quote: Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions.
According to the EVE F.A.Q on your website, AUR should never exist. If your own website is deceitful, why should we trust what you say? Just more food for thought.
^^ We all signed up under the implied contract that we pay CCP and they maintain the service.
EULA is bull****, even tries to wieve your right to the UN Convention on Contracts. just lol. Not worth the paper it's not written on.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Claire Shala
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:17:00 -
[2473]
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all. |
Nikolae Varius
Amarr Mongrel Squad Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:31:00 -
[2474]
I set CCP Zulu to red standing.
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VisKerric
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:33:00 -
[2475]
Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
BINGO
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:34:00 -
[2476]
Originally by: Nikolae Varius I set CCP Zulu to red standing.
did that a year ago after the 18-months huh hah ----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
Liberty Belle
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:34:00 -
[2477]
I would really dislike MTs going into the everyday items that are available through EVE. That said, the EVE economy will either accept it or reject it, just like every other change that has taken place throughout the years.
Why is there such a swell of discontent? Within the next twelve months we are about to be part of an extraordinary evolution of the game both inside and outside. We're seeing the next steps to assuring the game will live on for many more years to come, today, on our consoles. Isn't that what the majority of us want?
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Kuroki Meisa Kennedy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:36:00 -
[2478]
Why you acting like the nihilists in the big lebowski ccp?
With the new turrets being the dudes car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2qP-xQ_7o
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Fenris Ulfur
Bio Material Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:36:00 -
[2479]
Couldn't care less about the prices of some clothing items since this is a space ship game and in my mind I don't need a monocle to run my space affairs. Price them as much PLEX as you want I don't care.
I however care that I am forced to either use the new CQ or some rather unimpressive screenshot of a door when docking in a station. I realize that CQ is in its first iteration but frankly its ****. The controls are ****, there is no value in using it and it does not add an ounce of value to my experience of playing the game. And for the record there is no awe factor in looking at the ships floating in the hangers. My Buzzard looks way better than my Raven for instance.
And thus I have cancelled my subscription (ending 10th of July) and will not be returning until I see some actual improvement of the SPACE aspect of the game. We do not want or need more fluff in the game. We that have been playing since '03 have not been doing so because of the promise of looking at our new leather jackets in a station in a few years.
Don't take it the wrong way though, I look forward to the day when EVE is this whole space opera all-in-one science fiction experience where I can fly a spaceship, manage sov, walk in a station down a shopping street, stop at a bar and do some wagering, take a bounty hunting contract in a scummbarÖ some where, hop onto a planet and do some FPS and maybe in a station as well. But you [CCP] have to introduce these things to the player base with more information flow and explain your actions BEFORE we experience them in game. Explain why you do the things you do in an upcoming expansion. Everything you do. Its like when you learn to design a UI you are taught that you, as a designer, can never take it for granted that the user will understand how to use the UI that you design just because you think it is pretty straight forward and in the words of CCP Zulu "the greatest thing since sliced bread".
And never ever ever ever force us to use or do something in a radically different way than we have been used to doing things for the past 8 years just because you want us to [read: CQ]. Give us options.
And now I'm off to play some of the FtP games that have been released on an game platform that shall not be named here. Will be keeping an eye on how CCP tackles the issue (or doesn't).
--------------------------------------------------------------------- "But rather than that you question my courage, let someone put his hand in my mouth as a pledge that this is done in good faith" |
Nichol Madorii
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:37:00 -
[2480]
I unsubscribed last night too
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:37:00 -
[2481]
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:38:00 -
[2482]
Originally by: VisKerric
Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
BINGO
Non-virtual Reality.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details. FREE HELICITY |
Jade Taisun
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:41:00 -
[2483]
give in to the mob rule. beings of logic and understanding crowd up to tare down the castle. No one cares, they only want blood. CCP, all you might have is less server load, oh and less customers, no biggie, GOUGE THE ONES THAT REMAIN! whew I feel better
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:41:00 -
[2484]
Edited by: Trig Onami on 25/06/2011 19:42:09 Stay Fearless, CCP. Like 42,000 other people, I actually played the game yesterday. I started souping up my Gallente Hottie so she can do some Station interaction in the Future. Look forward to that. I doubt I will ever use the AUR store, but at least it will be there when I am rich again. Maybe for a Stripper Pole... and a Paint Job on my Drake... sounds cool to me.
Obviously some people can't handle the truth. I'm sure that the 5 clothing items on the ISK market will sell some day. Just not today :)
Let's wait it out together.
EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Altarica
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:42:00 -
[2485]
CCP Zulu .. YOU MISSED THE WHOLE POINT OF OUR RAGE.
Here are a couple questions for CCP, since a lot of their decisions seem to be based on "metrics" and apparently they have sold 50 monacles in 40 hours (which makes them a success)
1) how many people have turned off the Captains Quarters since Incarna launched ? 2) how many subscriptions have been cancelled since Incana launched ?
I'll purchase a monacle if you tell us.
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Rainz D'Wicked
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:46:00 -
[2486]
Yep cancelled my account as well, 10 day's left My second is plex activated with around 33 day's left to watch and see how things go.
On the upside the new turret animations and whatnot rock, On the downside this aurum store is absurd just to repeat what everybody else has said a couple thousand times now.
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Dante Tiesto
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:49:00 -
[2487]
What abunch of babies you are haha, if you dont like it dont buy it, its THAT easy. To the people who cansel their acount, have fun dont let the door hit you haha
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:51:00 -
[2488]
Originally by: Rainz D'Wicked
On the upside the new turret animations and whatnot rock
Yes, they are quite nice to look at. :)
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs D0GMA
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:53:00 -
[2489]
From my chars API:
<createDate>2003-05-07 12:22:00</createDate>
<shaftedbyCCPDate>2011-06-24 all:day</shaftedbyCCPDate>
<mywholealliancecancelsubsDate> TODAY <\mywholealliancecancelsubsDate>
Well, I dont post much on these forums but, quite honestly, enough is enough.
I've been subbed to Eve pretty much from day 1. (2-3 accounts)
I've spent the last few hours staring at the cancel sub screen - trying to grow a pair and actually cancel.
Well I have and so have around 90% of my long time friends in game and in RL. (at a guess somewhere between 40 and 60 accounts)
Unless you (CCP) sort your **** out and start communicating and listening to your customers - we wont be back.
Such a sad day .
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Labelo Blanco
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:53:00 -
[2490]
$1000 Jeans
Way to troll the paying customer.
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Dante Tiesto
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:54:00 -
[2491]
Originally by: Abbadon From my chars API:
<createDate>2003-05-07 12:22:00</createDate>
<shaftedbyCCPDate>2011-06-24 all:day</shaftedbyCCPDate>
<mywholealliancecancelsubsDate> TODAY <\mywholealliancecancelsubsDate>
Well, I dont post much on these forums but, quite honestly, enough is enough.
I've been subbed to Eve pretty much from day 1. (2-3 accounts)
I've spent the last few hours staring at the cancel sub screen - trying to grow a pair and actually cancel.
Well I have and so have around 90% of my long time friends in game and in RL. (at a guess somewhere between 40 and 60 accounts)
Unless you (CCP) sort your **** out and start communicating and listening to your customers - we wont be back.
Such a sad day
plz leave the game plz plz plz
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Abbadon
Caldari Pukin' Dogs D0GMA
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:56:00 -
[2492]
Originally by: Dante Tiesto
Originally by: Abbadon From my chars API:
<createDate>2003-05-07 12:22:00</createDate>
<shaftedbyCCPDate>2011-06-24 all:day</shaftedbyCCPDate>
<mywholealliancecancelsubsDate> TODAY <\mywholealliancecancelsubsDate>
Well, I dont post much on these forums but, quite honestly, enough is enough.
I've been subbed to Eve pretty much from day 1. (2-3 accounts)
I've spent the last few hours staring at the cancel sub screen - trying to grow a pair and actually cancel.
Well I have and so have around 90% of my long time friends in game and in RL. (at a guess somewhere between 40 and 60 accounts)
Unless you (CCP) sort your **** out and start communicating and listening to your customers - we wont be back.
Such a sad day
plz leave the game plz plz plz
Please may I ask why you say that? .
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Benteen
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:57:00 -
[2493]
Originally by: Abbadon
Originally by: Dante Tiesto
Originally by: Abbadon From my chars API:
<createDate>2003-05-07 12:22:00</createDate>
<shaftedbyCCPDate>2011-06-24 all:day</shaftedbyCCPDate>
<mywholealliancecancelsubsDate> TODAY <\mywholealliancecancelsubsDate>
Well, I dont post much on these forums but, quite honestly, enough is enough.
I've been subbed to Eve pretty much from day 1. (2-3 accounts)
I've spent the last few hours staring at the cancel sub screen - trying to grow a pair and actually cancel.
Well I have and so have around 90% of my long time friends in game and in RL. (at a guess somewhere between 40 and 60 accounts)
Unless you (CCP) sort your **** out and start communicating and listening to your customers - we wont be back.
Such a sad day
plz leave the game plz plz plz
Please may I ask why you say that?
I can answer that... because he's an idiot.
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Naomi Best
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:58:00 -
[2494]
Thanks Arnar. I love being talked down to as a customer so this really made my day |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:59:00 -
[2495]
Originally by: Dante Tiesto What abunch of babies you are haha, if you dont like it dont buy it, its THAT easy.
Look another one who has no idea what this sad thing is about.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:01:00 -
[2496]
Edited by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath on 25/06/2011 20:02:53
Originally by: Serpents smile snip
HAHA, Love the B5 sig... and it's so true....
+10
* the names have been changed to protect the innocent.
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Neshai Tro
Amarr Dedalo's Wings Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:02:00 -
[2497]
Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
One of the only posts so far I've deemed worthy of replying to, this is a common marketing tactic to break down peoples negative views or 'Ease in' less pleasant functions of a system, they've just tried to cut the corners of getting people onto the treadmill in the first place, I was saying to some of my alliance mates the other day this very same thing.
it worked for world of warcraft, they went the CCG route first, this put some susceptible people in a position where they had unique items, and their exclusivity made them desirable, as demonstrated by the Ebay trade in the in game item cards, then when people were slavering for in game items that made them more noticable because of their spectral wotsit, or rocket thingie they started releasing sparkle ponies, and millions of people payed ten pounds for a sparkling ethereal horse, of course the horse didn't cost more than a decent spaceship!
I am pretty awed at how much the Aurum system has impacted the trade market already, I've seen the most horrendous tshirt for sale at nearly half a billion isk, and I am constantly horrified at the thought that one day I'm going to log in and someone will have purchased it.
Don't get me wrong I have no issue with CCP catering to people who want bangles and frippery for their avatar, its personally not me however, but introducing a pay to win infrastructure as it has been so aptly identified is going to cost CCP monthly fees for two accounts from me, I don't use plex, I understand why people might, but I don't mind in the slightest paying a few quid a month for the entertainment that eve provides, in the same breath however, I'll survive without it too if I'm forced to, which I suspect is going to be the case.
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Dante Tiesto
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:10:00 -
[2498]
couse all you whinners are bunch of *****s, do what you say or stop whinning lol
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:16:00 -
[2499]
Originally by: Dante Tiesto couse all you whinners are bunch of *****s, do what you say or stop whinning lol
On Monday: Go back to school. Get a clue, evolve past the stage of mouthbreathing, and for ****'s sake learn to type.
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Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:17:00 -
[2500]
Edited by: Carli Zandrya on 25/06/2011 20:17:19
Originally by: Bootleg Greg Just an update, 62 pages of complaints, 1 response from CCP Zulu going on about how we shouldn't get off topic.
puppy fort out
88....
Will you be using AURUM for non-vanity items? ---------------------------------------------
My expectations of EVE are not high enough to warrant enough disappointment to /ragequit |
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Demontang
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:19:00 -
[2501]
Edited by: Demontang on 25/06/2011 20:19:55 This is the most r e t a r d e d blog response to a crisis I've ever heard. It demonstrates to me that there still is a very large disconnect between CCP and the players that pay to play the game.
It addressed zero issues the players have and only enlarged them. The primary question players are upset over are that CCP is interested in is how much can CCP make money and get away with it instead of focusing on a making a great game that because it is great in and of itself will generate revenue.
Instead, Arnar Hrafn Gylfason talks about the prestige value of wearing $1,000 jeans instead of $50 jeans.
Most of us could really care less about vanity items. I don't care if they sell monacles for $1,000. I will just laugh at everyone who wears them anyway. What everyone is really concerned with is how far will CCP go to introducing non-vanity items into the new item mall and how that will affect the gameplay. It certainly seemed from the leaked article that CCP did not give a flying rats ass whether the new item mall was limited strictly to vanity items.
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Piefra Backup
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:21:00 -
[2502]
Great damange control CCP... |
NORT
Minmatar Tekaima Industry and Supply inc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:21:00 -
[2503]
For the first time EVER CCP. I CANNOT defend your actions. This is out of order! I demand answers!
Do you care about your player base, cuz' it sure aint seemin' like it. Companies like you are in it for the cash. I'm an inteligent person, but you lot have the cheek to double-cross us.
24 hours, 2,500 unsubs. 48 hours, 5,000 unsubs. 96 hours, 10,000 unsubs.
The clock is ticking. -------------------------------------------------- NORT Minmatar - Sebiestor - Traders Tekaima Industry and Supply Inc If it's gold, kill it! |
Kelvandar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:24:00 -
[2504]
The timing of all of this is ironic to say the least. Right now CCP's only source of revenue comes directly from the EvE player base, so they actually need us - for now at least.
CCP - It must really suck that you can't just tell us to "go stuff it - quit if you don't like it". We know you want to. If Dust were released you'd be free to micro transact everything in EvE to your heart's content. After all, its only an aged MMO nearing the end of its project life-cycle, thats served its purpose and now can be regulated to the role of enhancing the experience for the new Dust players. EvE Online - Nukes from Space!.
But you can't do that yet. So, what assurances do we players have that when Dust comes out you won't put skillpoints, spaceships, superturrets, T4 ammo, the faction towers that were quietly removed a while back, faction rep and whatever whacky gamebreaking items that you can think of into your cash shop? None. And since your trust and credibility is utterly ruined, a lot of people wouldn't believe it anyhow even if CCP were to state that it will never happen.
Get Hilmar to post a dev blog to outline a credible plan of moving forward, and follow it up by making meaningful improvements to convince us and you'll keep some of the subscribers that are walking out the door. But that will likely not happen until a significant amount of the player base has left, which would be too late for CCP and too late for the players.
Might be a good idea for you devs at CCP to forget about EvE altogether now and fast track Dust. The industry's used to crap being released as bug-ridden disasters rushed out the door way too early, so you'd be right in sync with the norm. Just package a monocled barbie doll in the collector's edition and you'll be fine.
Now one person's voice means absolutely nothing here, but when enough of us are gone you can consider our collective message of "you're all fired" sent. EvE with gamebreaking micro transactions is absolutely unacceptable.
And before anyone asks.. yes you can have my stuff. I'm thinking of officer fitting my loki and taking a trip out to the EvE gate before my game time runs out. If you can gank me before I can get there then whatever drops is all yours. I really don't care anymore.
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ScreenWipe
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:26:00 -
[2505]
f*** me, quit already will you!
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Jamus Gorrelius
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:27:00 -
[2506]
Still no response to anything that matters.
CCP you realy need to give your self a /golfclap on this one.
If you dontcare about EvE any mopre then you need to move on or sell it to people that do, if were just beta testers for WoD then you need to come clean and say so.
But so far you have stuck your middle finger up at us in your response and you have shown your true colour's.
Lets not forget if it wasnt for us the playerbase you wouldnt have an EvE and you would never have gotten all the publicity you recieved because of us and the grand wars we had and everything that goes with it.
/golfclap
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Everial
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:29:00 -
[2507]
This is what I want:
Listen to the CSM. Put all future resources into fixing large battle lag, nothing else new until that is done. Revert jumpbridges. Reduce Aurum pricing. Promise to never use Aurum for non-vanity items.
Apologize for banning people for expressing their opinion, you stupid POSes. Then maybe I will resub. Pre-emptive bans, thread deletion? Honestly this is the issue that sent me over the edge. I want a firm commitment that you ****s will never do this again.
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Pembo
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:29:00 -
[2508]
I too am concerned about the non vanity items that may come into the nex store (which it seems they probably will).
I have already cancelled my two subs. Don't expect to be putting anymore money into the game if it continues on this path.
I would say to CCP, that this seems to be a defining moment in your company's future. You may believe you have a strong financial outlook from this, but it seems from the thread that you will be taking a significant loss.
Don't let this turn into a pride issue of not wanting to appear wrong.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Pulsar Nebulah Army of Lovers.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:33:00 -
[2509]
It's obvious that CCP is no longer a company, it's now a corporation.
The level of corporate-speak in this blog is disgusting. It says nothing.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:33:00 -
[2510]
Originally by: Everial Listen to the CSM.
CSM has been completely hamstrung in this whole thing.
CCP do not trust them.
CCP have no intention of ever having customers become any kind of communication partner in this.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Richard Koslinsky
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:46:00 -
[2511]
Originally by: Dragan Moonraker
Their opinions are worthy of this ****storm. I'm sorry. The whole sarcastic newsletter seems to underline that CCP has forgotten who pays their checks. Players DID NOT ASK for microtransactions. Players DID NOT ASK for Aurum. But we got it anyways. Of all the MMO's that needed microtransactions EVE needed it like a hole in the head.
I realize that after the angry element leaves, you may manage to lure enough new players interested in monocles and virtual clothing stores to keep making money, I wish you luck. Because from where I stand, this looks allot like what SOE did with Star Wars Galaxies. EVE is not LoTR, EVE is not DDO, EVE is not Allods Online, and you're fools if you think it's players want the same things.
You may laugh on the way to the bank, but not with my $15.
Not to mention the fact that SOE just canned Star Wars Galaxies as the business model failed completely.
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Benteen
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:52:00 -
[2512]
Originally by: Richard Koslinsky
Originally by: Dragan Moonraker
Their opinions are worthy of this ****storm. I'm sorry. The whole sarcastic newsletter seems to underline that CCP has forgotten who pays their checks. Players DID NOT ASK for microtransactions. Players DID NOT ASK for Aurum. But we got it anyways. Of all the MMO's that needed microtransactions EVE needed it like a hole in the head.
I realize that after the angry element leaves, you may manage to lure enough new players interested in monocles and virtual clothing stores to keep making money, I wish you luck. Because from where I stand, this looks allot like what SOE did with Star Wars Galaxies. EVE is not LoTR, EVE is not DDO, EVE is not Allods Online, and you're fools if you think it's players want the same things.
You may laugh on the way to the bank, but not with my $15.
Not to mention the fact that SOE just canned Star Wars Galaxies as the business model failed completely.
If they want to release Dust as a connected game... CCP CAN'T shut EVE down without Dust failing with it.
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Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:56:00 -
[2513]
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
"Arte et Marte" |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:57:00 -
[2514]
Originally by: Benteen If they want to release Dust as a connected game... CCP CAN'T shut EVE down without Dust failing with it.
My guess is DUST will be released as a stand-alone to help with cashflow for the winding down of CCPGame as they sell the assets etc.
There is a chance though that CCP will just keep going as a black box for Icelandic billionare money.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Pulsar Nebulah Army of Lovers.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:58:00 -
[2515]
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
Quoted for truth.
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Seraphim Andreyvich Amatin
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:03:00 -
[2516]
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
Quoted for truth.
Yup!
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Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:03:00 -
[2517]
Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 25/06/2011 21:06:15 A braindead vegetable in a hospital bed could've come up with a better model than this CCP.
It's kinda sad that you can afford to devote all these resources to designing useless **** that 90% of your player base not only doesn't care about but actually actively HATES and you can't be arsed to higher someone to give us less transparent marketing lies...
Think a little on this:
If I was a builder people would pay me to build them houses.
So how many of my clients are going to get excited when I announce that I'm stopping construction on their homes, BUT I be compensating them by supplying free hand-made Hello Kitty dolls. Additionally I'll will supply hand-made clothes for them to wear (at 10 times the price the home itself, these are ****ing designer dolls after all!).
WHY HAS MY BUSINESS FAILED??
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:08:00 -
[2518]
Well CCP... if my calculations are correct based on the feedback and counting how many people have claimed to unsub in the three forum posts going that combined amount to the largest revolt I've ever seen in Eve Online (:sniffle: I'm so proud of our community! :sniffle:) then:
52 monocles ~ $5,000 US in 48 hours
2473 lost subscribers ~ -$38,000 US in 48 hours
Good job. I'm sure your investors will be quite pleased with this new marketing strategy.
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:10:00 -
[2519]
Ok guys I've read thru a lot of the pages here and all I got to say get and grip and a life. eve is a game and ccp is the company that makes it. you have access to a great game with free updates so what if ccp wants to cash in on what other people have been doing for years. there are website out there that offer ships skillbook and other items for real cash. why not let ccp do the same and shout down all the bot miners and isk farmers that make eve a pain some times to play. I've heard alot of people say it will let other players win. when did eve turn into a game that had a win to it LOL. if you don't like it go play something else and give it a rest. ccp has the right to do what they want to eve and you have the right not to play eve. so stop being little kids and grow up.
CCP I hope you keep putting out station updates and I can't wait to rent a station slot and open a bar or a shop and sell the items I buy with myAUR to these guy that are being such babies LOL. CCP keep up the GREAT Work and I love every update and change you do to make eve a better place. |
Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:16:00 -
[2520]
Hmmm.
@ Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer of EVE Online
Quote: "Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?"
Because you don't you imbecilic dumbass!
Seriously WTF is the matter with you? Is it the f**king water in Iceland or something?
The reason why you'd spend $1,000 USD on a pair of jeans is because of the f**king quality. Just like a $5,000 suit has a enormously higher quality than a $200 suit. The fabric. The stitching. But what we're discussing is virtual clothing with no quality whatsoever!
Holy Christ on a Crutch you buggers at CCP are utter and complete idiots.
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Benteen
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:16:00 -
[2521]
Originally by: James StormRider Ok guys I've read thru a lot of the pages here and all I got to say get and grip and a life. eve is a game and ccp is the company that makes it. you have access to a great game with free updates so what if ccp wants to cash in on what other people have been doing for years. there are website out there that offer ships skillbook and other items for real cash. why not let ccp do the same and shout down all the bot miners and isk farmers that make eve a pain some times to play. I've heard alot of people say it will let other players win. when did eve turn into a game that had a win to it LOL. if you don't like it go play something else and give it a rest. ccp has the right to do what they want to eve and you have the right not to play eve. so stop being little kids and grow up.
CCP I hope you keep putting out station updates and I can't wait to rent a station slot and open a bar or a shop and sell the items I buy with myAUR to these guy that are being such babies LOL. CCP keep up the GREAT Work and I love every update and change you do to make eve a better place.
Slight problem with what you plan to do there with your shop... If they quit, you can't sell it to them... /facepalm
If they're against those items and Aurum you won't sell anything to them... they wouldn't buy it... /Facepalm
I'm guessing you're one of those people with a very large wallet that people fear will ruin the game they love...
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Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:17:00 -
[2522]
Originally by: James StormRider Ok guys I've read thru a lot of the pages here and all I got to say get and grip and a life. eve is a game and ccp is the company that makes it. you have access to a great game with free updates so what if ccp wants to cash in on what other people have been doing for years. there are website out there that offer ships skillbook and other items for real cash. why not let ccp do the same and shout down all the bot miners and isk farmers that make eve a pain some times to play. I've heard alot of people say it will let other players win. when did eve turn into a game that had a win to it LOL. if you don't like it go play something else and give it a rest. ccp has the right to do what they want to eve and you have the right not to play eve. so stop being little kids and grow up.
CCP I hope you keep putting out station updates and I can't wait to rent a station slot and open a bar or a shop and sell the items I buy with myAUR to these guy that are being such babies LOL. CCP keep up the GREAT Work and I love every update and change you do to make eve a better place.
I'll bet they're getting your free monocle ready as we speak. Have fun walking in stations when Eve has 5000 active subs...
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jedi'master yoda
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:19:00 -
[2523]
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
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Kaos Supreme
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:21:00 -
[2524]
> |
John Frohike
Caldari Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:21:00 -
[2525]
God, I love to see all the bandwagon hate coming out. Every time some bad PR happens, people rave that it is the end of the game. It happens all the time over at Blizzard, and that's over things that have actually happened (instead of internal opinion pieces that don't reflect policy). A lot of people are raging on about "trust", and how CCP no longer has theirs. But if you really trusted them, would you jump straight away into the "EVE is dead" camp the second some bad press comes out (instead of waiting a bit before grabing the pitchforks)? I thought it was an insane concept when I heard it, that CCP was planning to kill balance with a progression cash store. And because of that feeling, I waited until I heard the whole story, which is that there is no such plan out there. And if you guys really did "trust" CCP, you would have reacted the same way. Grow a spine and jump of the bandwagon already! Shallow graves for shallow people |
Dak Hallow
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:22:00 -
[2526]
I have to weigh in on this. I am a small business owner in the US and I have the fortune to do really well. Any leadership blog/book/seminar/etc. you go to/read says that everything rises and falls on leadership. If the company sucks, it's not because of the employees, it's because of the leadership.
1) Aurum should NEVER EVER be used for anything but vanity items if it must be used at all... I think the current market was good enough. Not sure why the hell Aurum sounded like a good idea.
2)Kristoffer T. is a complete ****ing numbnuts. Obviously he either has no concept of reality or he doesn't understand that people aren't made of money. Furthermore he has no effing concept of how a business should be run. Bleeding your customers/clients dry with wreckless abandon just so they can compete?! All so what? You get what a nice hefty bonus at year-end. Get that ****er back to cleaning toilets or emptying garbage and get him out of your leadership, CCP. Everything rises and falls on leadership. This guy is the Iceberg to your Titanic. Get him out, get him out, and all others like him. People who donÆt give a flying rats ass about the clients are death in a can to your business. On the other hand, John T. Should be made the head of PR and Game Design. This guy understands business and how to run it. Put this guy in charge, and things will change for the better. Everything rises and falls on leadership.
3) Having to Pay to win is a cop out for lack of creativity. IÆm digging the CQ. ItÆs a fun gimmick, but it takes forever for my computer to load now. I wish I could switch between CQ and just the regular hangar view. The game goes the slowest for me between jump gates & docking and undocking (and massive fleet battles but that goes without saying). Put developers and money on fixing that stuff and IÆll be stoked. I could care less about Aurum and Vanity stuff.
I bet the people who bought the monocle are rich industrialists with Technet planets who bought 4 plexÆs at the drop of a hat and bought it. I doubt any sane person would think $80 is a ôgood priceö for a friggin monocle! A completely aesthetic piece. I would think that any person with half a brain would turn 4 plexÆs into 1.5billion+/- isk and buy some sweet crap to fly around in. Ze monocle, it does nussing. I doubt that 52 monocles sold is ANY indication of ôgood ideaö like it has been perceived to be.
Ridiculous. IÆm unsubbing until I know if this NeX crap is going to get stupid with paying to win like that bastard Kristoffer thinks it should be. Ignorant prickà
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Ni Jien
Gallente Rudel Taktik
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:24:00 -
[2527]
Originally by: jedi'master yoda
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
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zoltar pdp
WALLTREIPERS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:24:00 -
[2528]
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
Not reactivating until you give this answer.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:28:00 -
[2529]
Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn
If I was a builder people would pay me to build them houses.
So how many of my clients are going to get excited when I announce that I'm stopping construction on their homes, BUT I be compensating them by supplying free hand-made Hello Kitty dolls.
Here's a subscription business one for ya:
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
"Hey Bunnies, I've got a new idea!
Ok so here it is.
You know Playboy right? Yeah well I'm going to change it.
We're going to morph it into an 'Interior Design' magazine, same name, same cover, just different inside."
"Will there be girls?"
"Nah it's about tables, curtains and colour schemes."
"oh.... I don't get it....."
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:31:00 -
[2530]
I remember the days when eve had only 5000 subs it was such a fine start. If those days come again it will make my days in 0.0 space alot less stress full LOL. As for people not wanting to buy the AUR items that will not happen. You may be saying you'll quit and some will but than if you quit where will you complain about the AUR items ??? You will not have forum access or in game chat channel access. And as for the people that say they will never but AUR items they will but they want tell any one LOL. The people that are complaining are the same people that would complain if they were hung with a new rope. So like I said before eve is just a game not real life so enjoy it
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Tyrehl
Amarr Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:33:00 -
[2531]
Originally by: zoltar pdp
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
Not reactivating until you give this answer.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
QFT. This happens at the best possible time, i was about to start paying for a third account. pew-pew |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:34:00 -
[2532]
I'm on the 89th page, way back of the bus, and it is unlikely anyone will give a damn about my post let alone read it but it is very simple:
Dear CCP,
We've gone round and round over the past decade. I've been worthy of your contempt at times, worthy of your respect at others, but in all but 4 months since launch I have been a customer of yours. I've not always liked the direction you've taken things and I know that far too many times you (as a group) have been arrogant pricks. But in this community, and with this game, that actually works more often than not.
However it needs to be said that sometimes your cleverness does not pan out in the marketplace. Far too many of your secondary revenue attempts have died stillborn in the cold dark places on the internet. This is seriously going to be another one of those. I fear you overestimate the stupidity of your common populace and underestimate their collective power.
As for myself, I don't need to unsub my accounts. Been coasting on plexes and GTC's for years now. Someone else has paid you for my time, many times over, and I'm just going to not add the next plex time to my accounts. I'll still own them and I will still consider them potential contract - you'll still owe me 30 days of server time for each one and I'll never NEX them so you'll have to give me that 30 days but when I decide to have them.
For now, you can consider this peg knocked out of your house of cards.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
DeltaTeam
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:34:00 -
[2533]
Holy ****, this was just so bad.
Look, as a someone who works in the high management of IT company, I can honestly tell you that your whole vision and perception of your game right now is completely ******ed and if you dont fix your **** now, you are heading down. Very fast.
You didnt even finish the two other games, for which you are sacrificing so much from your core business and you can already tell they wont be any massive bestsellers. You did a series of really bad business decisions and you need to fix this stuff right now or you wont make it out.
Get your head out of your ass and start actually doing something the playerbase wants.
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Benteen
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:47:00 -
[2534]
Originally by: James StormRider I remember the days when eve had only 5000 subs it was such a fine start. If those days come again it will make my days in 0.0 space alot less stress full LOL. As for people not wanting to buy the AUR items that will not happen. You may be saying you'll quit and some will but than if you quit where will you complain about the AUR items ??? You will not have forum access or in game chat channel access. And as for the people that say they will never but AUR items they will but they want tell any one LOL. The people that are complaining are the same people that would complain if they were hung with a new rope. So like I said before eve is just a game not real life so enjoy it
5000 subs... really... you think EvE will still be running if the numbers drop that low? I don't think so...
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Vyncente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:48:00 -
[2535]
Edited by: Vyncente on 25/06/2011 21:52:26
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I'm on the 89th page, way back of the bus, and it is unlikely anyone will give a damn about my post let alone read it but....
Hey Shar, the last page is the frontlines...Welcome aboard.
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Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:50:00 -
[2536]
#1 rule: STOP THE BLEEDING. THEN fix the problem.
So 89 pages with little or no response speaks volumes on that. Your player base is still bleeding. Badly.
It's not even about the AUR anymore.. ---------------------------------------------
EVE is BURNING
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Pannari Padecain
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:50:00 -
[2537]
Originally by: zoltar pdp
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
Not reactivating until you give this answer.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:51:00 -
[2538]
Originally by: Carli Zandrya #1 rule: STOP THE BLEEDING. THEN fix the problem.
So 89 pages with little or no response speaks volumes on that. Your player base is still bleeding. Badly.
It's not even about the AUR anymore..
This thread has now 296 pages on the same problem.
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Jacob Flint
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:53:00 -
[2539]
Edited by: Jacob Flint on 25/06/2011 21:55:03 Actually i don't expect much of an answer or reaction until monday... weekend 'n stuff.. you know... you've read the mail.. i guess they're all partying .. drinking beer.. havin' a good time ;) or well.. spending some time with their families..
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Nozomi en Tilavine
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:01:00 -
[2540]
So your are fearless and don't want to reply to us. I think many of us explain why we don't want NEX.
I hope my unsub and other players will give you CCP a little more fear about your future.
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Mr Binkins
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:15:00 -
[2541]
I'm just gonna put this out there. Ocular implant should come with an actual implant. Eve is all about the depth and believablity. As for buying ****, I don't care if ppl want to pay 1000$ for a pair of jeans real or in game, that their business, but once you start charging for things with a practical in game function you have to be careful to make it fair. Life may not be fair, but no one wants to play a game that isn't.
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Majuan Shuo
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:19:00 -
[2542]
Originally by: Mr Binkins I'm just gonna put this out there. Ocular implant should come with an actual implant. Eve is all about the depth and believablity. As for buying ****, I don't care if ppl want to pay 1000$ for a pair of jeans real or in game, that their business, but once you start charging for things with a practical in game function you have to be careful to make it fair. Life may not be fair, but no one wants to play a game that isn't.
+1 "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Dora Long
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:28:00 -
[2543]
I think its cute how upset people are getting over this.
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Playing Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:32:00 -
[2544]
Edited by: Playing Eve on 25/06/2011 22:36:23
Originally by: Dak Hallow
1) Aurum should NEVER EVER be used for anything but vanity items if it must be used at all... I think the current market was good enough. Not sure why the hell Aurum sounded like a good idea.
This is an important question, but one the answer to which is becoming more and more obvious.
CCP obviously hopes to move to micro-transaction based game structure. If the game is free to play, then RMT players/bots have much less incentive to bot or RMT. But people have already paid for GTC/PLEX which represents free game time to be redeemed. When the game goes free to play, the PLEX and GTC become worthless to players, but CCP keeps all the money free and clear. Aurum then becomes the method of cash to isk/stuff and PLEX disappear forever. If that is the final objective for CCP, then it makes complete sense to have both Aurum and PLEX now.
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Iluminat
Minmatar Sharp Dressed Man
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:35:00 -
[2545]
This all looks like a bad episode of Jerry Springer CCP just like Jerry feeds the guest with b*ll**** steps back and smile to see what happens.
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johnny sackomoney
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:37:00 -
[2546]
i see that they are still following HILMAR's arrogance on this he thinks he can wait us out
and we will all give in and follow like the rest of the sheep
i got news for him the rest of the sheep will be jumping the fence too and soon
eve players : we want the truth CCP response :You can't handle the truth
um thanks message recieved loud and clear GOODBYE
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:38:00 -
[2547]
Did Liang and Helicity really get banned, even ingame?
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Ubumble
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:38:00 -
[2548]
When the protests in Jita began, I was in the "much ado about nothing" camp. As the situation has unfolded, I have changed to the opposite side. At best, you (CCP) have shown complete ineptitude at handling the situation. At worst, you have shown utter contempt for the people who pay your salaries.
I won't presume to tell you what do to - it is your company and you can do with it as you please. I would like to add a few thoughts on what you seem not to understand:
1. We (the Eve players) are not a "user group" or "target consumer" in the way that McDonald's customers are 2. There is a difference between a "user group" and a "community" (there is a lot of well-researched documentation on the subject, try reading it) 3. Whoever you paid to do your market research, does not understand the previous points and has not done their homework 4. You may be right to "watch what we do, not what we say" - there are 47k people playing right now - but you may also have no real community left if you continue on this path 5. A brand with a real community is different from a game with a bunch of users 6. You are successful because the relationship between player-game, player-player and player-company is different to other games - will you be successful if you kill that difference?
You choose the environment you want to create. We choose the environment we want to play in. Your salaries are dependent on the latter. Nuff said.
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Asma bint Marwan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:46:00 -
[2549]
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
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Gerard Lebieux
Gallente Mort's Navy Mort's Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:48:00 -
[2550]
I personally encourage those wishing to unsub to do so, perhaps that will free up the forums from your incessant *****ing.
CCP hasnt let me down in the years I've been playing and I trust they will keep the game fun and full of value.
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NEO Informant
New Information Trading Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 -
[2551]
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Maksiu I
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 -
[2552]
Yawn, I've been away for like... 40 pages, did I miss anything? Any CCP response?
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Uber Root
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:57:00 -
[2553]
this blog must be a joke... although this situation aint funny at all...
i think you just dont want to get it... YOU FAILED !!!
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:57:00 -
[2554]
Originally by: Maksiu I Yawn, I've been away for like... 40 pages, did I miss anything? Any CCP response?
Nope.
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johnny sackomoney
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:00:00 -
[2555]
Originally by: Maksiu I Yawn, I've been away for like... 40 pages, did I miss anything? Any CCP response?
No response ccp still stonewalling thinking they can wait us out
and a bunch of trolls not understanding where the hate is coming from
so no you havent missed anything
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:00:00 -
[2556]
Even the big bosses newest knows the deal!
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Cosmic Raider
Capitalist Pig Running Dogs
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:09:00 -
[2557]
CCP you may think that the Incarna roll out was smoothest yet, but its also the first that is killing my computer.
Since the MT leaked document was all theoretical as you say, now is a good time to listen to your customers. I used to think that CCP was different, that the company really cared about their player base. Between the lack of response to the sham Alliance Tourney and this mess, I'm not so sure anymore.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:11:00 -
[2558]
Originally by: M'ktakh Did Liang and Helicity really get banned, even ingame?
yes. everything you see is true. I have not seen much in the way of false info.
CCP did it to themselves so there isn't really much "conspiracy" about it.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:11:00 -
[2559]
Just a small point that's going to get lost in all this nonsense, but 47000 logins on a Saturday night doesn't mean a vote of confidence for CCP.
What it probably means is that the players who have unsubbed are getting the most out of their characters, or putting their respective houses in order, before the subscriptions run out. Some want to go and see a protest, and some are undoubtedly trying to persuade their corps to leave.
Nothing the player community does will hurt CCP now. But in 3/6/12 months time, when all those subscriptions don't come back, then it'll hurt like hell.
The thing is, companies work on forecasts. They budget on them, invest on them and plan on them. So, if the forecast looks like a cliff edge then they'll be limited in what they can do going forward, and investment won't be forthcoming.
Reputation is also key. People won't want to play (or, maybe invest in) a CCP game if they've shown contempt to their player base in the past. Reviews are read and recommendations are made based on past performance. CCP aren't scoring very high right now, and it will be remembered. Plus other companies are watching this and may see an opportunity to get in on the Internet Spaceships theme.
So, 47000 now but in a year or so... probably less than half that. Unless CCP can turn it around, of course. Most players, I would think, want to resub and carry on, but only if CCP stop treating the player base like a cash cow and start acting responsibly.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:15:00 -
[2560]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 23:16:27
Originally by: Jannx Just a small point that's going to get lost in all this nonsense, but 47000 logins on a Saturday night doesn't mean a vote of confidence for CCP.
What it probably means is that the players who have unsubbed are getting the most out of their characters, or putting their respective houses in order, before the subscriptions run out. Some want to go and see a protest, and some are undoubtedly trying to persuade their corps to leave.
Nothing the player community does will hurt CCP now. But in 3/6/12 months time, when all those subscriptions don't come back, then it'll hurt like hell.
The thing is, companies work on forecasts. They budget on them, invest on them and plan on them. So, if the forecast looks like a cliff edge then they'll be limited in what they can do going forward, and investment won't be forthcoming.
Reputation is also key. People won't want to play (or, maybe invest in) a CCP game if they've shown contempt to their player base in the past. Reviews are read and recommendations are made based on past performance. CCP aren't scoring very high right now, and it will be remembered. Plus other companies are watching this and may see an opportunity to get in on the Internet Spaceships theme.
So, 47000 now but in a year or so... probably less than half that. Unless CCP can turn it around, of course. Most players, I would think, want to resub and carry on, but only if CCP stop treating the player base like a cash cow and start acting responsibly.
That's just my opinion.
Well said.
If CCP want to listen to us then they're going to have to *massively* downsize. They can't listen to us or do any work on EveOnline with the current structure dedicated towards other products.
edit: i.e. RUN A SUBSCRIPTION BUSINESS. Where subscriptions cover costs and provide food for devs/CEOs/CFOs and whoever else likes eating food.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Enaria Ferenic
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:17:00 -
[2561]
Originally by: Jannx Just a small point that's going to get lost in all this nonsense, but 47000 logins on a Saturday night doesn't mean a vote of confidence for CCP.
What it probably means is that the players who have unsubbed are getting the most out of their characters, or putting their respective houses in order, before the subscriptions run out. Some want to go and see a protest, and some are undoubtedly trying to persuade their corps to leave.
Nothing the player community does will hurt CCP now. But in 3/6/12 months time, when all those subscriptions don't come back, then it'll hurt like hell.
The thing is, companies work on forecasts. They budget on them, invest on them and plan on them. So, if the forecast looks like a cliff edge then they'll be limited in what they can do going forward, and investment won't be forthcoming.
Reputation is also key. People won't want to play (or, maybe invest in) a CCP game if they've shown contempt to their player base in the past. Reviews are read and recommendations are made based on past performance. CCP aren't scoring very high right now, and it will be remembered. Plus other companies are watching this and may see an opportunity to get in on the Internet Spaceships theme.
So, 47000 now but in a year or so... probably less than half that. Unless CCP can turn it around, of course. Most players, I would think, want to resub and carry on, but only if CCP stop treating the player base like a cash cow and start acting responsibly.
That's just my opinion.
Commmon Sense in a world suddenly gone mad, cheers bro.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:18:00 -
[2562]
Originally by: Cosmic Raider CCP you may think that the Incarna roll out was smoothest yet, but its also the first that is killing my computer.
Since the MT leaked document was all theoretical as you say, now is a good time to listen to your customers. I used to think that CCP was different, that the company really cared about their player base. Between the lack of response to the sham Alliance Tourney and this mess, I'm not so sure anymore.
It was not theoretical, look at the wording in the pdf carefully, and the fact they refuse to answer the one simple yes or no question that is really the only thing anyone cares about at this point.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:22:00 -
[2563]
Hmm, I was wondering why I had Dollars & Cents in my head the last days. Now I've read Greed is Good? and your devblog and I know why. It fits perfectly.
"Fearless is one of our company values. Itæs also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. Itæs worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company."
If that is really true, than I hope your employees are also aware of this (as it seems that not all are, considering the leaking), because with the wordings used it seems like a lot of it has already been decided. I would quote stuff, but at the moment I still wouldn't like to risk a permaban much (is it OK to quote from the Fearless newsletter on the eve-o forums?). I think I'll write a more detailed post later though, I'm still trying to process it all.
For now, let me just say that I used to be glad with the merger of WW and CCP, but now I see where you are taking WoD, I wish it never happened. The RP/immersion side of EVE is an increasingly considerable CCP oversight, but making RPG stand for RealPayingGame... Boots that cost more than several battleships? Un-podding 'cause you forgot your ammo? And to think i've been looking forward to Incarna since before I subbed.
And whoever thinks that Bloodpool isn't linked to potency (or is important) in WoD is should not be developing this MMO(RPG?). Vampires call blood vitea, cause that's what it is, life. And if it's not in WoD, then you totally don't get this game. Which is odd, considering it's also about near immortal, powerful creatures losing their humanity.
I can understand that you are as likely to be brainwashed to believe that our unsustainable "buy happiness, material attachments" economy is the way to go, but as a buddhist communist I'll say; watch The Story of Stuff, Fightclub, American Beauty. I understand every company is going this fantastic new way to capitalize on products, but I always thought that "because everybody does it" would not be an argument for CCP. Or not an important one anyway.
Really CCP, bringing the worst of the real world, into this universe, and the WoD one. I would go back to tabletop RP if my friends had the time for it. But alas, time is even more valuable than money these days. But you feel to see that. You don't even consider the "little money, little time" category of players, which in my opinion are most deserving of a game where everybody is equal no matter their RL wallets.
*Che Biko looks up > Oh my, and this is just the short version...
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Bad Tempered
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:22:00 -
[2564]
You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
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Edward Monton
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:23:00 -
[2565]
Hey CCP Zulu, since CCP owns all in-game virtual items according to the EULA, wouldn't the real world analogy be that CCP is charging people $1000 just to try on the jeans in the dressing room?
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Charun Dyon
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:27:00 -
[2566]
How dumb and stupid can you be !...
I have already cancelled my 2 accounts, en now started playing Rift. Bye bye Eve Online as this is getting way to ridiculous.
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Chrysanthemum Korik
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:27:00 -
[2567]
Originally by: Bad Tempered You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
CCP owes its existence to the good will of its players. We are the customers. We are the final arbiters of their success. You have it wrong. You may think we're brats whining, but the way I see it, some people stand up for themselves when someone tries to take advantage of themselves. Other people are suckers.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:28:00 -
[2568]
Originally by: Bad Tempered You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
You are absolutley correct about one part, they have zero obligation to answer any question, I have no obligation to continue giving them my money either. A company without customers tends to no longer be a company.
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Abecbu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:28:00 -
[2569]
Originally by: Bad Tempered You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Tempered You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
Funny that all the reasoned arguments are coming from the "spoiled little brats" and I've yet to see one posted from the other side of the argument. And I've read all 90 pages so far (it's better entertainment than the TV anyway).
Angry -> Disheartened -> Resigned -> Unsubbed CQ = BS |
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Kaos Supreme
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Tempered You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
WRONG. They owe us EVERYTHING! We are the PAYING customers. Without us, there is NO Eve Online. The one who needs to get a grip on reality is YOU.
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WE DO NOT WANT MICRO-TRANSACTIONS FOR NON VANITY ITEMS!
FIX THE ****IN LAG SO THAT MAJOR ALLIANCES CAN ACTUALLY ENGAGE IS TACTICAL/STRATEGICAL FLEET COMBAT(As advertised)WITHOUT LAG BEING THE DECIDING FACTOR!
DO AWAY WITH ALL FORMS OF BOTTIN / MACRO !
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Eaturmoma
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:42:00 -
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i am not complaining , i like the begining of this station walking. i will complane about the new items vanity items its non sence when an eye patch cost 1.6 billion ( plex sell for 380 mill on the low side, and 1 plex = 3,500 aur those numbers are nuts. that one eye patch cost 12,000 aur thats a bit less than 4 plex . the cloths are just as bad, that eye patch cost slightly less than a fully fitted mac, im fully into the greed in game. I liked this game cause it takes more than a week to get good at it.It is a game that takes time unlike console games 2 to 3 days and it done they cost 60.00 dollars and have little to no value for the money. I know people who have been playing eve for 5+ years and still dont know it all that is what i loved about eve.
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Abecbu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:42:00 -
[2573]
Originally by: Jannx
Originally by: Bad Tempered You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
Funny that all the reasoned arguments are coming from the "spoiled little brats" and I've yet to see one posted from the other side of the argument. And I've read all 90 pages so far (it's better entertainment than the TV anyway).
Angry -> Disheartened -> Resigned -> Unsubbed
Originally by: Abecbu First off...
Thank you for having some balls and not giving into the whiners like every other MMO!
Second so what if you can buy ships and ammo with real money?! If you tried to "cheat" by buying ships you can't yet effectively use, you'll just be an easy target for people that know how to play. You can do that anyway right now. Someone please go buy and plex and sell it to get that battleship you can barely fly.
The only caveat to this is an item could be reprocessed to gain raw minerals. SOLUTION: Make items bought through the exchange not be able to be reprocessed.
And if they release a ship that is better than any other normally bought ship just buy some plex with isk and get it. Your not forced to spend real money for anything on the exchange.
Another caveat, this could potentially hurt ship builders since there could be less demand for the normally built ships. SOLUTION: Only sell blueprints for ships, ammo, or anything not vanity. This also introduces these items to be bought for normal isk.
Main Point: No one is being forced to spend any real money on these items and people doing so is no different than trading plex for isk to buy current items. Also, with a few rules in place the "normal" economy shouldn't be affected.
Leavers hurry up and leave.
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Consortium Agent on 25/06/2011 23:45:26 Just in case there is anyone who still thinks CCP isn't hell bent on charging their players more money for 'enhanced gaming experiences' or as we'll call them now, pay to win MT items, might I point you to Subscription 2.0? Circa 2008:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
Edit: Added URL
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Abecbu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:47:00 -
[2575]
Originally by: Consortium Agent Edited by: Consortium Agent on 25/06/2011 23:45:26 Just in case there is anyone who still thinks CCP isn't hell bent on charging their players more money for 'enhanced gaming experiences' or as we'll call them now, pay to win MT items, might I point you to Subscription 2.0? Circa 2008:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
Edit: Added URL
Really? 4/1/2008
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:53:00 -
[2576]
Originally by: Abecbu
Originally by: Consortium Agent Edited by: Consortium Agent on 25/06/2011 23:45:26 Just in case there is anyone who still thinks CCP isn't hell bent on charging their players more money for 'enhanced gaming experiences' or as we'll call them now, pay to win MT items, might I point you to Subscription 2.0? Circa 2008:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
Edit: Added URL
Really? 4/1/2008
Yeah, sorry, meant to say that and just realized I didn't. Was corrected moments later. Damn get to happy with 'Post Reply' button keep forgetting to preview lol.
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Abecbu
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:55:00 -
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I just saw like 3 people use it has an argument earlier and I happen to be online this time :P
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:57:00 -
[2578]
Originally by: Abecbu
Originally by: Jannx
Originally by: Bad Tempered You people crack me up.
Get a grip on reality. CCP owes you spit, and you are not their boss, overlords, whatever. If they don't want to answer questions, that is their prerogative - all your ranting and foot stomping is not going to change that. You all sound like a bunch of 2 year old brats, screaming "I want THIS", "I WANT THAT", crying your eyes out, stomping your feet and generally looking like spoiled little brats.
To those who have unsubbed or threatened to - good riddance. EVE will be a better place without you.
Funny that all the reasoned arguments are coming from the "spoiled little brats" and I've yet to see one posted from the other side of the argument. And I've read all 90 pages so far (it's better entertainment than the TV anyway).
Angry -> Disheartened -> Resigned -> Unsubbed
Originally by: Abecbu First off...
Thank you for having some balls and not giving into the whiners like every other MMO!
Second so what if you can buy ships and ammo with real money?! If you tried to "cheat" by buying ships you can't yet effectively use, you'll just be an easy target for people that know how to play. You can do that anyway right now. Someone please go buy and plex and sell it to get that battleship you can barely fly.
The only caveat to this is an item could be reprocessed to gain raw minerals. SOLUTION: Make items bought through the exchange not be able to be reprocessed.
And if they release a ship that is better than any other normally bought ship just buy some plex with isk and get it. Your not forced to spend real money for anything on the exchange.
Another caveat, this could potentially hurt ship builders since there could be less demand for the normally built ships. SOLUTION: Only sell blueprints for ships, ammo, or anything not vanity. This also introduces these items to be bought for normal isk.
Main Point: No one is being forced to spend any real money on these items and people doing so is no different than trading plex for isk to buy current items. Also, with a few rules in place the "normal" economy shouldn't be affected.
Leavers hurry up and leave.
So you're saying we should pay for one bent trading practice with another bent trading practice? I thought ISK was supposed to be earned in the game by playing the game. But what do I know? It's nice that CCP created a way to get bragging rights for lazy people.
I've always thought there should be a moratorium on selling PLEX for ISK for at least six months after it was registered. Don't know if that would work. Somebody will probably point out the reason to me. But now I'm going to bed.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente I Maza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 26/06/2011 00:03:52
this is the first dev block i read and said "wtf"
pointless, it doesn't explain anything, other than a view that somehow fantasy virtual avatars should compare clothes as in real life, well ccp i ll give a hint, 90% if not more of your clients are males. fashion and males do not get along.
as for the fearless, obviously when you ask a question to your own staff there will be different opinions, but what if you haven't asked? what if you kept your promise? when a question arise in human brain that had not occured before then the question creates ideas, direction and thus opinions.
you have asked the wrong question CCP
as for the most smooth and successful expansion, my pc bets against you. incarna is unplayable unless your tower is on different room than the screen, i quite like having the ability to hear and also my nerves in place, (i7 with gtx 285 rig , not an old joke pc) so we are left with the ONLY option to NOT load incarna,
other than that, i see no expansion, just wasted resources, you made something that IT DOESN'T work (or when it does it kills my gpu) and you call this free expansion, well it isn't
it is not free it is not an expansion
In order to name an expansion successful, you only need one simple question
QUESTION: what gameplay incarna have added to my playerbase?
Answer: None
success lvl: 0
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Abecbu I just saw like 3 people use it has an argument earlier and I happen to be online this time :P
Haha yeah - good catch :) Thanks for pointing it out :)
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Khaos Wildfire
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:08:00 -
[2581]
I'm not sure how this addresses why I can't load the Captain's Quarters and if you are going to make it an optional feature.
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Io Koval
Gallente T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:10:00 -
[2582]
Originally by: CCP Manifest CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.
The paragraphs on "Pricing Structure" were absolutely terrible.
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about video games. Look at the video games you are currently playing in real life. Do you have any specific games? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name game? Assume for a short while that you are playing a $1,000 game from some exclusive Icelandic Gaming Company. Why would you want to play a $1,000 game when you can get perfectly similar games for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you playing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by playing video games you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that video games possess to do that in addition to style and graphics. You don't need to buy expensive video games. In fact you don't need to buy any video games. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
So CCP, can you really blame those who are taking your exact philosophy and turning it against you?
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Nijaza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:17:00 -
[2583]
For the longest time people complained about not enough incarna information, NOW IT IS HERE and everyone has turned into whining babies. Ive never seen such WAA WAA WAA. Can everyone grow up? This game IS AWESOME!
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Raz Xym
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:20:00 -
[2584]
CCP management seems to view their customers as predictible cash cows puppets. Their public messages seem to have visions of grandeur and issues with denial. These are treatable, but they need to seek professional help soon.
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Cindercone
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:27:00 -
[2585]
Well, this whole thing is a tricky subject on any MMO anywhere on the internet atm....
My OP is: If virtual purchase for cash is limited to Pets, Clothes, things that DO NOT AFFECT GAME PLAY - then whatever, does not affect me. BUT, the DAY YOU HAVE TO SPEND CASH JUST TO COMPETE IN THE GAME I PAY CASH FOR EVERY MONTH - that is the day I quit and find somewhere else to spend my money.
I have no issues with cash for paint jobs, clothes, etc... but when it goes beyond that - well, they are saying that the subscription every month is just not enough to pay the greed or the fees - does not matter to me. If they need more to keep it running, raise the fee's do not make it a 'If you want to pay more, you can own everyone' competition, that would and does truly suck (in life, in a game, everywhere).
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Scorpionstrike
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:28:00 -
[2586]
The whole Charm to this game is that players create / make everything in the sandbox, Vanity items could have been made through Planetary Interaction ? and i imagine people would buy the items on the market ?
If the company wants to create more wealth how about sending out more free updated game trials which is how i got into the game myself, that was a good idea.
Please dont move beyond vanity items... EvE Online has a monopoly on the space sim mmo so it puzzles me why such risky concepts are even on the table ? EvE Online is fine as it stands. i did like the captains quarters, but you carnt have one Economy that undermines the other.
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Beetles Light
Minmatar Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:29:00 -
[2587]
For me it is all about the time and money spent by CCP on a expansion that is only aimed at the filthy rich (In Game) - In my view expansions need to be focused on creating new content that the majority can enjoy, at this point NEX is aimed at the elite few - wasted time and effort in my view (even though my finances allow me to purchase any item of clothing). I am a trader and was hoping for opportunities to profit from the new market - prices made this impossible.
Please look to giving the majority of us new and exciting content! no point creating something that very few will use.
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Goodluvins
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:30:00 -
[2588]
**** CCP and **** MT. Blow me CCP. -2 accounts
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Belldrana
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:37:00 -
[2589]
I've just cancelled both my accounts in protest
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Avoida
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:38:00 -
[2590]
4 accounts cancelled.
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May O'Neez
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:43:00 -
[2591]
Originally by: Cindercone If virtual purchase for cash is limited to Pets, Clothes, things that DO NOT AFFECT GAME PLAY - then whatever, does not affect me. BUT, the DAY YOU HAVE TO SPEND CASH JUST TO COMPETE IN THE GAME I PAY CASH FOR EVERY MONTH - that is the day I quit and find somewhere else to spend my money.
I have no issues with cash for paint jobs, clothes, etc... but when it goes beyond that - well, they are saying that the subscription every month is just not enough to pay the greed or the fees - does not matter to me. If they need more to keep it running, raise the fee's do not make it a 'If you want to pay more, you can own everyone' competition, that would and does truly suck (in life, in a game, everywhere).
With time and dedication most of us are able to have fun, but if this fun could get ruined because of some AUR market which gives unfair advantage (like faction ships or skills boost), then the game will be litteraly over.
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Fennore
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:43:00 -
[2592]
So basically, Arnar Hrafn Gylfason has told the client base of eve.
"Let them eat cake!"
You do know how that "little" pr disaster ended right?
Perhaps firing you PR contingent and start acting like someone who cared about his company and product is in order.
Just my 2 isk worth.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:45:00 -
[2593]
If Hilmar had any balls he would have asked 5 simple questions.
CFO: We need growth. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can afford to expand. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can buy more assets real and people. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can develop more products. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can buy a 3rd house. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can afford a monocle. CEO: **** off ****head. We will serve our customers and live forever.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Hormus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:49:00 -
[2594]
And now, we realize why ship paintjobs weren't implemented in the game all those years, although everyone asked for them.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:51:00 -
[2595]
Originally by: Hormus And now, we realize why ship paintjobs weren't implemented in the game all those years, although everyone asked for them.
...and why so many features were outright removed while in a working state....
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:56:00 -
[2596]
OK you want to sell stuff that does not affect gameplay.....I can live with that you money grabbing gits.
However the day ammo, ships and standings become available through aurum purchase is the day eve loses what makes it eve. I would sup with the devil and forget to use a long spoon if it led to me spitting on the grave of nationalism.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Terran United Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:57:00 -
[2597]
I pretty disappointed with this blog. I been sitting back watching what's going on and I have 9 people I know so far quieting.
CCP Attuide seem to gone to **** by the looks of it.. Really disappointed ------------------------------------
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True Rasta
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:59:00 -
[2598]
U didnt say it will be only clothes. Why dont u just say that MT will be only in clothes or things that only for show off. We all worries about that ccp might put up the better ammos and better ships that only can buy with MT. this will surely make u guys more money but ppl will leave in long run. Its been always like this when end of the games life cycle. If u need more money, why dont u guys make the more way to get more new players and make them easier to sattle down on eve than right now. Easier and better tutorial or more localiz the game for 3rd country. Ic there nothing that u guys been working on to get more new ppl in game but using same old things such as buddy programs. Make ur marketing team better, make it easier to sattle down new ppl comes in Plz show that kinda work than just brings the idea that any other company does.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:00:00 -
[2599]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 01:01:26
http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?9644-Goonswarm-Federation-The-Last-Bastion-Of-True-Gooniness&p=258747&viewfull=1#post258747
Figure this should go in here...
edit: ROFL fail ****ing CCP censorship garbage.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Veiko
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:01:00 -
[2600]
CCP Zulu is a ****head and needs to loose his job. So is majority of CCP's management. Bunch of incompetent and arrogant pricks.
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Huo Lung
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:03:00 -
[2601]
Edited by: Huo Lung on 26/06/2011 01:06:22 Kinda sad that this issue, of all things, is the topic my first forum poast. I'm generally content to let the sentiments of the community at large speak for me here, but I'll add my 0.2 ISK anyway. Incarna has been a misbegotten undertaking since day one. I doubt that even the sunny optimists here can't honestly deny that it's added very little to gameplay - essentially just a 3D closet environment which adds no original functionality and no roleplay value, either, given that other people cannot enter - and has led to a massive PR fallout due to the dubious Aurum/PLEX system and exorbitant 'microtransactions'. While I'm certainly no economist or business analyst, I suspect that the anticipated mass influx of avatar-oriented new players to whom CCP hopes to appeal will not really arrive.
I'm sure that many will hasten to point out that CCP has repeatedly stated that the Incarna that's live on TQ is not the final product and that the station environments are still in their infancy. This actually leads me to my next point; stop implementing unfinished content on Tranquility. Full stop. It's really as simple as that.
This title is positively littered with bugs and imbalances that have been awaiting correction for years. Not only that, but it also has a considerable amount of unfinished content that has in many cases seen no significant improvement or additions since it's release. Besides buffing their nos/neuts, Sleeper sites and wormhole space in general have not seen any changes or meaningful additions. Magnetometric sites (in k-space everywhere)are still for the most part utterly worthless. Factional warfare is quite stale and two-dimensional. T3s still cannot refit subsystems at POSes. Just the tip of the iceberg.
But at least I can walk around a little office in full 3D and use some snazzy holograms instead of the buttons on my NeoCom like the rest of the Luddites.
I won't even get into the assertions that EVE is being shoehorned into the use of certain technologies as a testbed for another upcoming CCP title except to say that it certainly seems plausible, given the dogged stubbornness with which the dev team has pushed Incarna.
I have two accounts which shut off tomorrow. While I wish the teams at CCP all the best and don't share quite the same degree of personal vitriol that some posters here have, I too have no intention of renewing my subscriptions unless CCP's corporate vision of EVE Online acknowledges and acts decisively upon the wishes of it's community and our elected representatives on the CSM. I'm quite aware that EVE is CCP's product and as such they have the right to do with it as they please, my subscriptions are maintained with my money, and I of course have the right to do with it as I please.
Two more stars wink out of New Eden. Your move, CCP.
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True Rasta
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:05:00 -
[2602]
One more thing zulu. Ppl buy the $1000 clothes to look cool and get laid In game?? ha, i know u guys r not dumb. Dont try to buy us all with "we r talking about clothes" I see this is only begining.
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Sarsippiuss
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:13:00 -
[2603]
To all you whining quitters out there;
I can has your stuff? Seriously, nothing has yet changed except for the apparel stuff and you all are running around crying like DAMN BABIES that had their binkies taken away. Protesting in Virtual space? You are wasting your own time and I laugh at you as I pass by. If it does come to pass that people can buy their way up the skill queue, that will suck. In the meantime, Good job CCP.
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PsyOpWarfare
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:13:00 -
[2604]
Way to go CCP or EVE. What a load of CRAP! You just confirmed that you are nothing but a buch of money hungry people and trying take all of us for every dime.
Way to stand up there CCP.
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Klahkdu
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:17:00 -
[2605]
\0/ if all the players stop more space fore me
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Anatolli Korenchken
Thundercats B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:20:00 -
[2606]
Wow we really are a bunch of whiners.
I mean such a small issue that causes so many people to cancel their subs, so how do these vanity items affect your normal gameplay such as pvping, pveing, industry, whatever?
From my point of view Eve is still the same game, with a feature of two I have no interest in exploring, just as I have not participated in an Incursion, but you won't find me ragequiting because I haven't invested any time in a new feature addition.
So am I led to believe that the people unsubbing WANT a monocle or other vanity item but don't want to pay the price/too lazy to make/earn money to afford it?
If I have it all wrong I apologize, but I ask those considering quitting consider why they play Eve, what makes it enjoyable for you, what causes you to log on and ask yourself - Has anything really changed?
To CCP: Thanks for weeding out the weak! I'm EX-NC so I've known for years that we needed to trim the fat of carebears, cry-babies and bandwagoners!
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:27:00 -
[2607]
Hey guys I see that it's still going on people saying they are canceling there accounts and how eve is going to die because of AUR and the NEX store. Why not stop and see what is realy going to be offered in the NEX store other than clothes before leaving eve. CCP is going to do what they are going to do might as well enjoy eve until we all see what direction the NEX store is going to take than cancel your account / accounts if you don't like it. I for 1 and others I know would pay like 5.00 usd extra a month for a monthly license to be able to use our roq or carrier in hi-sec. O what fun it would be to wage hi-sec war with my carrier along side my Meg lol. Or having my roq in a hi-sec ice system compressing every ice cube in sight O the tears from the carebears lol. But that's not going to happen now or down the line.
CCP is alot of things but from all my years in eve the 1 thing they are not is crazzy enought to screw up a good thing. Now people are going crazy over mt for clothes items and mt will prob be used for custome ship paint jobs. But who cares I don't want any items like that. All I want is what I have now free updates cool ships to fly around in and the up coming station enviroment to play around in while my new alt is stuck training until he can have the skills needed to do some thing other than blow rats up. That is what this move by CCP is all about making a place and offering items to bring new carebears to eve so we can find new ways to gank them LOL. Like the time 1500.00 usd worth of plex was blown up in jita that was a blast LOL. Just think of a hauler load of NEX store items being ganked in Jita and all the tears of the carebear that lost it. I say bring it on CCP and let the ganking start in 5..4..3..2..1... GANK LOL. |
Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:30:00 -
[2608]
Originally by: Anatolli Korenchken Wow we really are a bunch of whiners.
I mean such a small issue that causes so many people to cancel their subs, so how do these vanity items affect your normal gameplay such as pvping, pveing, industry, whatever?
From my point of view Eve is still the same game, with a feature of two I have no interest in exploring, just as I have not participated in an Incursion, but you won't find me ragequiting because I haven't invested any time in a new feature addition.
So am I led to believe that the people unsubbing WANT a monocle or other vanity item but don't want to pay the price/too lazy to make/earn money to afford it?
If I have it all wrong I apologize, but I ask those considering quitting consider why they play Eve, what makes it enjoyable for you, what causes you to log on and ask yourself - Has anything really changed?
To CCP: Thanks for weeding out the weak! I'm EX-NC so I've known for years that we needed to trim the fat of carebears, cry-babies and bandwagoners!
You have it wrong, no one cares about monocles, its the soon to come pay to win scheme.
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:31:00 -
[2609]
I am sorry to see the game I have played and loved since I was introduced to it in '05 slowly drift away from what it was to the sad state it is in now. CCP's total lack of communication with their player base as well as the evident disdain with which they regard their customers has been the final straw. It adds to the increasing incompetence shown in patching, as evidenced by the number of patches that have already been released after Incarna, as well as the unaddressed imbalances in the game, many of which CCP have said they would address and have then completely ignored in favour of frivolous crap, not to mention the complete failure in dealing with the issue of lag.
I will be canceling my four accounts as soon as I leave my main and primary alt's corp when the 24 hour role dropping timeout passes.
And no, you can't have my stuff. ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
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LadY d0MINATrIx
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:32:00 -
[2610]
It would appear that there are so many people that have already said exactly what i was going to. I for one will probably be one of the thousands of players that will be letting my accounts expire if nothing is done to make us happy again. I have steam coming out my ears right now. And if anyone wants a free monocle, come to my captain quarters with your sunglasses on....i`ll make you one for free ;)......
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:33:00 -
[2611]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Anatolli Korenchken Wow we really are a bunch of whiners.
I mean such a small issue that causes so many people to cancel their subs, so how do these vanity items affect your normal gameplay such as pvping, pveing, industry, whatever?
From my point of view Eve is still the same game, with a feature of two I have no interest in exploring, just as I have not participated in an Incursion, but you won't find me ragequiting because I haven't invested any time in a new feature addition.
So am I led to believe that the people unsubbing WANT a monocle or other vanity item but don't want to pay the price/too lazy to make/earn money to afford it?
If I have it all wrong I apologize, but I ask those considering quitting consider why they play Eve, what makes it enjoyable for you, what causes you to log on and ask yourself - Has anything really changed?
To CCP: Thanks for weeding out the weak! I'm EX-NC so I've known for years that we needed to trim the fat of carebears, cry-babies and bandwagoners!
You have it wrong, no one cares about monocles, its the soon to come pay to win scheme.
Since when does eve have an end game LOL. You can't win at eve it's not geared that way this is not WoW |
Enthral
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:36:00 -
[2612]
I'm going to put in my vote for eliminating the monocle shop. It's a dangerous precedent, which will clearly lead to weapons, ships and other in-game items being only available for purchase with real money. You won't be able to keep from going down that path. You know it and we know it. Just remove the temptation now.
I would also like to point out that Incarna is yet another example of CCP's lack of focus. I can't count how many "features" you've only half implemented, lost interest before fully fleshing them out, and then moved on to something else. You're just a bunch of big thinkers with little follow through.
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ColdBeauty
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:37:00 -
[2613]
what is this insulting bull**** two accounts been unsubbed today FFFFFFUUUUUU!!!!!!
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:39:00 -
[2614]
Originally by: James StormRider
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Anatolli Korenchken Wow we really are a bunch of whiners.
I mean such a small issue that causes so many people to cancel their subs, so how do these vanity items affect your normal gameplay such as pvping, pveing, industry, whatever?
From my point of view Eve is still the same game, with a feature of two I have no interest in exploring, just as I have not participated in an Incursion, but you won't find me ragequiting because I haven't invested any time in a new feature addition.
So am I led to believe that the people unsubbing WANT a monocle or other vanity item but don't want to pay the price/too lazy to make/earn money to afford it?
If I have it all wrong I apologize, but I ask those considering quitting consider why they play Eve, what makes it enjoyable for you, what causes you to log on and ask yourself - Has anything really changed?
To CCP: Thanks for weeding out the weak! I'm EX-NC so I've known for years that we needed to trim the fat of carebears, cry-babies and bandwagoners!
You have it wrong, no one cares about monocles, its the soon to come pay to win scheme.
Since when does eve have an end game LOL. You can't win at eve it's not geared that way this is not WoW
WTF are you talking about? The pay to win scheme means that some nub with 10k in daddies money can start an account, fill in the skills and SP, buy all his ships gear standings, buy things that can only be bought directly from CCP with uber stats, warp in on you and annihilate you, your corp and alliance. Take your SOV and buy protection from CCP. No one said anything about end-game, but it will be the end of EVE except for the five stupid rich guys on the server paying CCPs bills.
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Phain Death
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:43:00 -
[2615]
Originally by: James StormRider Hey guys I see that it's still going on people saying they are canceling there accounts and how eve is going to die because of AUR and the NEX store. Why not stop and see what is realy going to be offered in the NEX store other than clothes before leaving eve. CCP is going to do what they are going to do might as well enjoy eve until we all see what direction the NEX store is going to take than cancel your account / accounts if you don't like it. I for 1 and others I know would pay like 5.00 usd extra a month for a monthly license to be able to use our roq or carrier in hi-sec. O what fun it would be to wage hi-sec war with my carrier along side my Meg lol. Or having my roq in a hi-sec ice system compressing every ice cube in sight O the tears from the carebears lol. But that's not going to happen now or down the line.
CCP is alot of things but from all my years in eve the 1 thing they are not is crazzy enought to screw up a good thing. Now people are going crazy over mt for clothes items and mt will prob be used for custome ship paint jobs. But who cares I don't want any items like that. All I want is what I have now free updates cool ships to fly around in and the up coming station enviroment to play around in while my new alt is stuck training until he can have the skills needed to do some thing other than blow rats up. That is what this move by CCP is all about making a place and offering items to bring new carebears to eve so we can find new ways to gank them LOL. Like the time 1500.00 usd worth of plex was blown up in jita that was a blast LOL. Just think of a hauler load of NEX store items being ganked in Jita and all the tears of the carebear that lost it. I say bring it on CCP and let the ganking start in 5..4..3..2..1... GANK LOL.
Hilmar parachute spotted.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:47:00 -
[2616]
inside ccp
Quote: CCP Games û ôThe longer you stay the more it hurtsö Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:50:00 -
[2617]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: James StormRider
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: Anatolli Korenchken Wow we really are a bunch of whiners.
I mean such a small issue that causes so many people to cancel their subs, so how do these vanity items affect your normal gameplay such as pvping, pveing, industry, whatever?
From my point of view Eve is still the same game, with a feature of two I have no interest in exploring, just as I have not participated in an Incursion, but you won't find me ragequiting because I haven't invested any time in a new feature addition.
So am I led to believe that the people unsubbing WANT a monocle or other vanity item but don't want to pay the price/too lazy to make/earn money to afford it?
If I have it all wrong I apologize, but I ask those considering quitting consider why they play Eve, what makes it enjoyable for you, what causes you to log on and ask yourself - Has anything really changed?
To CCP: Thanks for weeding out the weak! I'm EX-NC so I've known for years that we needed to trim the fat of carebears, cry-babies and bandwagoners!
You have it wrong, no one cares about monocles, its the soon to come pay to win scheme.
Since when does eve have an end game LOL. You can't win at eve it's not geared that way this is not WoW
WTF are you talking about? The pay to win scheme means that some nub with 10k in daddies money can start an account, fill in the skills and SP, buy all his ships gear standings, buy things that can only be bought directly from CCP with uber stats, warp in on you and annihilate you, your corp and alliance. Take your SOV and buy protection from CCP. No one said anything about end-game, but it will be the end of EVE except for the five stupid rich guys on the server paying CCPs bills.
Dang all of that from an internal news letter and a clothes shop lol. Has any one stopped to think that this is just a way for CCP to get a free spot light on EVE and in a few days or a week they will come out and say AUR will only be used for clothes and not for any game items that will impact game play LOL. The net is a buzzzz with CCP and EVE atm more so than it's been in years. How many people do you think have gotten an account in the past day just to check out all the crap going on in forum post and in local channels????? I know of 10 that signed up for eve today just to check out what people are saying. Way to go CCP putting EVE in the spot light LOL |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:54:00 -
[2618]
No one even "got it" in the other thread.
Too busy blaming CCP Zulu like he even wrote the blog that appears in his name.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:01:00 -
[2619]
I'd rather pay $20 per month than have pay-to-win MT. - - -
Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. |
5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:02:00 -
[2620]
Edited by: 5nake pliskan on 26/06/2011 02:03:17 Edited by: 5nake pliskan on 26/06/2011 02:02:37 FU ccp
I wrote a long post to this turd of a blog
I hit submit but your BS login timer caused my post to dump.
so I wrote a short post to tell you simply that I hate CCP, but it got dumped because apparently trying to log in to your BS forums counts as a ****ing post setting off the 2 minute timer...
go suck an egg Sulu (sic) ------------------------------------------------ There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers just exactly what the universe is for and why we are here, that it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Then there is a theory which states that this has already happened. á á -Douglas Adams
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AnzacPaul
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:03:00 -
[2621]
Originally by: Vikarion I'd rather pay $20 per month than have pay-to-win MT.
Except that CCP don't deserve that option anymore. If they were struggling for money, they should of spoken about it. Talked about how Vanity MT items were needed to attract a new player base for more income, and that if we as the players could stomach a 1-2$ increase a month in subscription fees that they promise not to abandon us and help us make the game great.
They did the complete opposite.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:12:00 -
[2622]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
You are absolutley correct about one part, they have zero obligation to answer any question
I don't quite agree with this^^ part of your statement as I work in a business similar to EVE and a company, any company does have an obligation to it's client base, even if the company doesn't like it. :)
Originally by: Amber Villaneous I have no obligation to continue giving them my money either. A company without customers tends to no longer be a company.
On this Part, I agree with you 1000000000000000%
o/ K.S.
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:15:00 -
[2623]
I keep seeing pay to win pay to win well any one with more than 1 account is already paying to win LOL. |
Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:28:00 -
[2624]
Originally by: James StormRider I keep seeing pay to win pay to win well any one with more than 1 account is already paying to win LOL.
Hi James, That's not actually a correct assumption, I have more than one account and rarely run them all at once, but I also have job specific toons too,. For example, my miner has squat for fighting skills, standing, or almost anything else, and my fighter can barely fit in a mining ship much-less operate one "efficiently"
I get the point you're trying to make, but you're painting with too broad a brush..
o/ K.S.
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:32:00 -
[2625]
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: James StormRider I keep seeing pay to win pay to win well any one with more than 1 account is already paying to win LOL.
Hi James, That's not actually a correct assumption, I have more than one account and rarely run them all at once, but I also have job specific toons too,. For example, my miner has squat for fighting skills, standing, or almost anything else, and my fighter can barely fit in a mining ship much-less operate one "efficiently"
I get the point you're trying to make, but you're painting with too broad a brush..
o/ K.S.
I might be .... but there are the people that have 10 alts and run them all at once in a 1 player mining op lol. Now you can't say that's not pay to win at it's finest |
Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:34:00 -
[2626]
Originally by: James StormRider
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: James StormRider I keep seeing pay to win pay to win well any one with more than 1 account is already paying to win LOL.
Hi James, That's not actually a correct assumption, I have more than one account and rarely run them all at once, but I also have job specific toons too,. For example, my miner has squat for fighting skills, standing, or almost anything else, and my fighter can barely fit in a mining ship much-less operate one "efficiently"
I get the point you're trying to make, but you're painting with too broad a brush..
o/ K.S.
I might be .... but there are the people that have 10 alts and run them all at once in a 1 player mining op lol. Now you can't say that's not pay to win at it's finest
Not really, each of those accounts had to go thru the same training and time investment, doesn't matter if there is one guy or 10 guys behind the keyboard.
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Belloche
Caldari Pegasus Battle Group Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:35:00 -
[2627]
Originally by: Anatolli Korenchken Wow we really are a bunch of whiners.
I mean such a small issue that causes so many people to cancel their subs, so how do these vanity items affect your normal gameplay such as pvping, pveing, industry, whatever?
From my point of view Eve is still the same game, with a feature of two I have no interest in exploring, just as I have not participated in an Incursion, but you won't find me ragequiting because I haven't invested any time in a new feature addition.
So am I led to believe that the people unsubbing WANT a monocle or other vanity item but don't want to pay the price/too lazy to make/earn money to afford it?
If I have it all wrong I apologize, but I ask those considering quitting consider why they play Eve, what makes it enjoyable for you, what causes you to log on and ask yourself - Has anything really changed?
To CCP: Thanks for weeding out the weak! I'm EX-NC so I've known for years that we needed to trim the fat of carebears, cry-babies and bandwagoners!
Alas, you do have it wrong. We are not upset that CCP wants to make a buck by selling vanity items at all. We understand that CCP is a company and it needs to make a buck. We are up in arms because they can't/wont/absolutely refuse to simply say that they do not intend to sell NON-VANITY game breaking items in the NEX store in the future. We are whining/raging because that was the ONLY WAY IN THE PAST to get any response from CCP and, because we actually care about the game. If we didn't care, we would all just unsub and go away quietly into the night. We are trying to prevent a SW:NGE from happening. I am not ragequitting, I am letting my 3 accounts expire when the GTC's I bought two weeks ago run out. Since Hilmar is only going watch to see our actions, not our words, if anyone cares about the future of the game they need to unsub to show him he is wrong.
Players have totally LOST faith and loyalty in CCP. My faith in CCP might return SoonÖ but I doubt it. |
Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:39:00 -
[2628]
Edited by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath on 26/06/2011 02:42:20
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: James StormRider
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: James StormRider I keep seeing pay to win pay to win well any one with more than 1 account is already paying to win LOL.
Hi James, That's not actually a correct assumption, I have more than one account and rarely run them all at once, but I also have job specific toons too,. For example, my miner has squat for fighting skills, standing, or almost anything else, and my fighter can barely fit in a mining ship much-less operate one "efficiently"
I get the point you're trying to make, but you're painting with too broad a brush..
o/ K.S.
I might be .... but there are the people that have 10 alts and run them all at once in a 1 player mining op lol. Now you can't say that's not pay to win at it's finest
Not really, each of those accounts had to go thru the same training and time investment, doesn't matter if there is one guy or 10 guys behind the keyboard.
I have to go with Amber on this one James, not to say that "at a glance" your statement wouldn't seem plausible, but as Amber says, there's training and a time investment in those toons as well, and they are paying for those 10 accounts in one way or another each month pretty much the same way an individual account would/could be paid for, it's just a single person doing 10 instead of 10 people. :)
o/ K.S.
edit: ooops, forgot to add: That's not to say that they don't have an advantage because they do, but not the type advantage that the folks in this thread are referring to.
:)
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:43:00 -
[2629]
What a bunch of condescending crap.
Who actually wrote this Dev Blog?
Did they actually ever take any courses in communication?
I mean this is like pouring gasoline on a fire and then surprised it flares up to twice its size....
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Kraxalious
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:45:00 -
[2630]
Originally by: Belloche We are up in arms because they can't/wont/absolutely refuse to simply say that they do not intend to sell NON-VANITY game breaking items in the NEX store in the future.
Should be: We are up in arms because they can't/wont/absolutely refuse to simply say that they WILL NOT sell NON-VANITY game breaking items in the NEX store in the future.
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James StormRider
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:46:00 -
[2631]
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Originally by: James StormRider
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: James StormRider I keep seeing pay to win pay to win well any one with more than 1 account is already paying to win LOL.
Hi James, That's not actually a correct assumption, I have more than one account and rarely run them all at once, but I also have job specific toons too,. For example, my miner has squat for fighting skills, standing, or almost anything else, and my fighter can barely fit in a mining ship much-less operate one "efficiently"
I get the point you're trying to make, but you're painting with too broad a brush..
o/ K.S.
I might be .... but there are the people that have 10 alts and run them all at once in a 1 player mining op lol. Now you can't say that's not pay to win at it's finest
Not really, each of those accounts had to go thru the same training and time investment, doesn't matter if there is one guy or 10 guys behind the keyboard.
But it's still the same if 1 player can pay for 10 accounts and another can pay for only 1 account the 10 account player wins over the 1 account player lol. As 4 buying skills that will never happen the core thought behind eve is the training and the time that needs to be invested into eve so that eve becomes a way of life and not simply another game to play but a game that becomes part of your daily life. You may say I have no life by that statement but EVE has become apart of my life. How many times have you woke up in the am before work to fire up your planets or to simply log in to send your corp mates a mail. MT will not change the core of EVE unless you let it effect you and your game paly by canceling your account account's. |
9axle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:13:00 -
[2632]
All I can hope is that someone is watching and learning from CCP mistakes, and that a game better managed and with better administration is just over the horizon, because this one seems to be past its prime.
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:13:00 -
[2633]
We still want an answer, CCP! We are not going away! We have not forgotten!
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:18:00 -
[2634]
Originally by: 9axle All I can hope is that someone is watching and learning from CCP mistakes, and that a game better managed and with better administration is just over the horizon, because this one seems to be past its prime.
Yep and after 2005 you'd think folks had learned from SOEs example...
Still I hope EVE turns around been a lot of fun years.
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Raspar
Caldari Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:28:00 -
[2635]
The second any non-vanity items appears in this NEX thing that cannot be obtained through isk via the normal market is the second all my accounts become unsubbed. You best explain your position soon and clearly, CCP.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:31:00 -
[2636]
Originally by: Kraxalious
We are up in arms because they can't/wont/absolutely refuse to simply say that they WILL NOT sell NON-VANITY game breaking items in the NEX store in the future.
...........and because they've bull****ted us so much, being caught out in the middle of a bold faced lie. Now when they say it again for the 25th time we will no longer believe them unless it's in writting from the CEO with a witness under penality of a class-action on his personal liability.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:43:00 -
[2637]
Just here for the bump, and oh ya, **** you CCP.
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Atra Lupus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:57:00 -
[2638]
Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
Perfectly said especially the line in bold
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z3ph
Minmatar RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:01:00 -
[2639]
hmmm...
not happy. But hey, we can still shoot all those monocle people right? ----------------------------- - why is my rapier broken? :( |
Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:02:00 -
[2640]
I say we make this baby hit 150 pages. Calling all alts, call your friends. Remember the Space Ships CCP!
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I'm Down
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:13:00 -
[2641]
Edited by: I''m Down on 26/06/2011 04:14:10
Originally by: Anatolli Korenchken Wow we really are a bunch of whiners.
I mean such a small issue that causes so many people to cancel their subs, so how do these vanity items affect your normal gameplay such as pvping, pveing, industry, whatever?
From my point of view Eve is still the same game, with a feature of two I have no interest in exploring, just as I have not participated in an Incursion, but you won't find me ragequiting because I haven't invested any time in a new feature addition.
So am I led to believe that the people unsubbing WANT a monocle or other vanity item but don't want to pay the price/too lazy to make/earn money to afford it?
If I have it all wrong I apologize, but I ask those considering quitting consider why they play Eve, what makes it enjoyable for you, what causes you to log on and ask yourself - Has anything really changed?
To CCP: Thanks for weeding out the weak! I'm EX-NC so I've known for years that we needed to trim the fat of carebears, cry-babies and bandwagoners!
People aren't cancelling b/c of vanity prices. People are cancelling because they are tired of a broken record of events from this company. The company refuses to fix broken things, and continues to patch in things with horrible implementation strategies and horrible PR skills.
You can't call them childish for getting ****ed off and leaving because CCP as a company is putting out a horrible product. That's just what the market does. Loyalty only drives the customer base so far. CCP burned up that loyalty after multiple bad patching decisions and PR moments over the past 4 years. Now people are just sick of it and the straw has dropped.
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Al Merrick
Vis Vires War and Pestilence
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:22:00 -
[2642]
just adding to the masses so they know we're here, sittin on the fence to see what happens, finger is by the deactivate button.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:23:00 -
[2643]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 04:24:54
Originally by: I'm Down
People aren't cancelling b/c of vanity prices. People are cancelling because they are tired of a broken record of events from this company. The company refuses to fix broken things, and continues to patch in things with horrible implementation strategies and horrible PR skills.
You can't call them childish for getting ****ed off and leaving because CCP as a company is putting out a horrible product. That's just what the market does. Loyalty only drives the customer base so far. CCP burned up that loyalty after multiple bad patching decisions and PR moments over the past 4 years. Now people are just sick of it and the straw has dropped.
^^
Can't be said enough. Hilmar probably still hearing it's a price-point issue.
:18months:? Why do you need to spend :18months: not working on eve?
I pay CCP to maintain a service. That is my contract with them.
I thought they understood growth in a niche market is limited. I thought they understood that they had a sustainable snowball which would roll forever. I thought they understood that they only had to ask me if they needed more money. I thought they understood what a subscription business is.
Then some banker comes along and says "wtf we're not doing 5% growth P.A!!!"
It seems eventually CCP started believing the **** these bankers were telling them about how there are thousands of little gaps in Eve that cash can be extracted from.
I challenge anyone here to find even the smallest revenue steam in EveOnline which hasn't been tagged for exploitation in the near future. psst. Even the API became a revenue stream. So MT is very much real. I'm sure it's all these guys talk about day in day out.
The strategy for DUST + WoD/Incarna was sound. I like how they made the code plan match with the business plan and corification.
However. Growth for growths sake is just tarded.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:34:00 -
[2644]
Originally by: Atra Lupus
Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
Perfectly said especially the line in bold
Probably this is very close to the truth.
At the same time CCP doesn't want to admit it because doing so means they lose a third of their playerbase overnight and they can't take the hit in revenue. Basically they went in full well knowing they planned to screw all existing players, particularly the veterans.
That 99 license was no mistake, it was a tool planned to silence folks. Sign up and they can shut you down. Thus making sure you are quiet and conformative.
I mean CCP Oveur is still Executive Producer, shame really if he and Hilmer and Hammer have gone this far astray. They probably should wake up and fire their financial adviser they can still turn the ship around.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:49:00 -
[2645]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 04:50:32
Originally by: El'Niaga ....Basically they went in full well knowing they planned to screw all existing players, particularly the veterans....
^^
echo echo echo echo
edit: really though they wanted us for another 9-18months and now they are in a lil trouble because we got a little too good at watching the machinations of complex organisations.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:50:00 -
[2646]
I felt the need to address the reason why you(CCP) need to make your stance and intentions clear on the MT shop. This should be done even without the current ****storm. It can be condenced to two points.
Firstly you should do it because there is demand for everything. Over the years that I've read the forums, there have been people asking to buy almost everything directly from you. With over 300k subs anything you sell someone is willing to buy and the more advantage it gives the more people will buy it and that forces others to buy no matter how they feel about it. If you just go by what people will buy and demand, you are saying to us, that you have no limits and will break the game sooner rather than later.
Secondly you should do it because you design what we demand and need. If you go for gameplay influencing items, you create a direct incentive for yourself to stop producing the best game you can and start creating artificial inconveniences and limitations, so that you can sell us solutions to them. I think this is bad for the game and game design in general, but especially so if you don't make your intentions and limitations clear. Please note, that what you can get away with in a F2P game isn't going to be acceptable in a subscription based game.
I realize you want to keep all options open and hate being tied down to promises, but this is the one thing where you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. It might not be where I want it to be, but for better or worse you have to draw it somewhere, so the situation is clear and we can move on from this. Point being whatever the next response from you is going to be, it needs to be precise and clear with as little room for interpretation as possible. If you have plans already made, talk about them in as much detail as you can. If you just try to get out of this by confounding the issue with vague generic statements, people will assume the worst even if your actual plans are much more reasonable.
Thanks for your time.
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I'm Down
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:54:00 -
[2647]
Edited by: I''m Down on 26/06/2011 04:56:18 Most good business owners will tell you, you don't run a business from the bottom line. You run a business by going out and offering up the best possible product and everything else sorts itself.
When you stress about the bottom line, you create a self fulfilling prophecy of failure. Every action you make is based on money without the consideration of what a better product would do for you. All you care about is how to make the now cost less.
CCP used to run based on, Ironically, the fearless mentality. They went out every day and did things nobody else in the gaming world was doing b/c they knew it was going to make a better product. And during that time, they risked it all on the edge of bankruptcy... until their company one day rejoiced as their server hit 10,000. Then it hit 15,000. then 20, and 22, and 26, and then one day, on a plane ride, it was announced to their CEO that they hit the 30,000 mark. CCP went out there and risked it all by listening to their players and doing amazing things that challenged the gaming world logic. But in the past four years, there's been a horrible shift. It was slow at first, but has slowy become rampant.
The breaking point where it shifted past the 50% mark of good to bad was a patch and the failure to fix it after the lag and performance went to **** in one patch when sov changes were implemented. Somehow over night we went from 1500 players going at it in space on reasonably low lag and consistently performing servers to 200 players not even loading. And since that point, while the game has seen it's share of improvements, it's seen drastically more disappointments and pointing towards CCP caring more about money than making a superior product.
The death of this game won't be 3000 accounts ending. What's going to kill this game is the unwillingness of players to log in that still do pay for the game. CCP is so highly unaware of how much of their business is players who spend 100s if not 1,000s a year on GTC's to buy isk which ultimately get traded on market which allow players like me to play without ever paying dime. When those players start playing less, the GTC market will dry up and the players who rely so heavily on them will too. CCP hasn't offered up a game in 4 years I've been willing to pay for like I did for the first 3.5.
More and more frequently I let at least one of my 2 main accounts laps and most of my other accounts frequently stay dead for months at a time. I'm so close to the point where I'm ready to give up that it's really hard to even justify keeping 2 accounts or even one up. My patience is gone waiting for any of the problems of this game to be fixed. And my trust that they'll fix them properly is even more razor thin.
It used to be an issue of, well there's nothing else out there that grabs my attention. But that was then. The gaming market is coming out with so many new things, so many exciting things, that it's hard to make that arguement anymore. CCP is long past the days of being fearless and exciting. They no longer make a dynamic and challenging game. And they sure as hell don't even maintain what was once good at an appropriate level. It just comes down to players indivdually asking themselves, "have I had enough and is there something better?" Sadly, this latest CCP fiasco is answering that question for a lot of people. And no, it's not just about a stupid monicle. It's about an utter **** patch, **** content, **** execution, **** performance, no fixes, and lack of content.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:54:00 -
[2648]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 04:55:32
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue ..... Please note, that what you can get away with in a F2P game isn't going to be acceptable in a subscription based game......
I believe they know this. It's only during the "transition phase" that it be bothering them.
Some people are dumb enough they'll still be subscribed halfway through.
Then the 12yos from DUST come. Eve devs stops. Pew Pew Pew. Ching Ching Ching.
All with about 10% the workload.
edit: damn, forgot it's social network and needs hub people.... small niche... where are they? oh...
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:56:00 -
[2649]
Posting this to remind people of the lies that come from CCP:
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:58:00 -
[2650]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 05:01:34 Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 05:00:45 lol first time i noticed the date on that :-D
edit: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1352648 Not long after I had a go at em. I wasn't tuned into MT so much as their dev failing though. Although there is talk about PLEX and how it forces CCP to cater to new players only.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:06:00 -
[2651]
I am insulted by this non-response-deal-with-it response. ---------------------------------------------
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:09:00 -
[2652]
Originally by: Batelle I am insulted by this non-response-deal-with-it response.
Any SWG people on?
Is that not just the point when they play this strategy?
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:11:00 -
[2653]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 04:50:32
Originally by: El'Niaga ....Basically they went in full well knowing they planned to screw all existing players, particularly the veterans....
^^
echo echo echo echo
edit: really though they wanted us for another 9-18months and now they are in a lil trouble because we got a little too good at watching the machinations of complex organisations.
I agree their models probably had the current playerbase for another year or so of development time til they were 'ready'. SOE probably thought the same thing with SWG, they never recovered.
If CCP is willing to take corrective action and right the ship they can survive this, but I believe it'll be a smaller leaner company coming out. They need to again be bold like they once were. In the beginning they made a game that was quality far beyond their peers and it attracted many sorts, sadly they've let it coast the last couple of years with sub par work always chasing another star when the answers really lay right before them.
It's just like their new forums, those are intentional and part of the greater plan. Just like SOE they hope to sweep everything away so that their new players aren't troubled with how things used to be.
Why anyone would want to mimic the SOE SWG NGE disaster I don't know.
CCP Oveur and them were all good guys when it was just EVE, they were responsive and worked hard. It seems that they've lost their way. If they were to rededicate themselves to fixing the many problems they've let linger, to finishing up the many unfinished initiatives and opening the communications lines again as it was in the early days they can fix and save the ship. Otherwise the ships hull is leaking and the water is rushing in. The pumps will hold out for a while but ultimately she's going down.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:26:00 -
[2654]
/end thread
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Max Kolonko
Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:55:00 -
[2655]
Originally by: jedi'master yoda
Originally by: Mordrake
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This
Max Kolonko |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:59:00 -
[2656]
psst you mised the memo
Original size
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:05:00 -
[2657]
I entirely 100% support what CCP is going to do with the Noble Exchange, whether they continue to expand on the vanity items or remove the Nex. It's up to them.
However. I thought about it and decided that if non-vanity, non-unique items become available for Aurum, I am going with the exodus.
I will not stand for you taking sales, ISK and thus gameplay away from manufacturers and miners.
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Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:10:00 -
[2658]
Originally by: Vandrion Posting this to remind people of the lies that come from CCP:
That says 'Don't have plans to', not 'Will never happen'.
Plans change, especially over the course of a year.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:11:00 -
[2659]
Originally by: Shadow XII I entirely 100% support what CCP is going to do with the Noble Exchange, whether they continue to expand on the vanity items or remove the Nex. It's up to them.
However. I thought about it and decided that if non-vanity, non-unique items become available for Aurum, I am going with the exodus.
I will not stand for you taking sales, ISK and thus gameplay away from manufacturers and miners.
Singers: Joseph Smith was called a prophet Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Dark Intaki
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:12:00 -
[2660]
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
This. if not answered correctly, another 4 accounts Unsub
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Auspels
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:26:00 -
[2661]
I don't care about any of that economy mumbo-jumbo.
Why can't I walk backwards, or strafe. Those seem like basic human movements. Really, that's some very lumpy gravy.
Quote: may god stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk
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Admiral Sarn
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:45:00 -
[2662]
Lots of rumors flying about that Merc corps and alliances will be war decking and or ganking any player caught in space that has vanity items. Any word on this? PL has supposedly introduced a ban on any player with vanity items.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:53:00 -
[2663]
Originally by: Admiral Sarn Lots of rumors flying about that Merc corps and alliances will be war decking and or ganking any player caught in space that has vanity items. Any word on this? PL has supposedly introduced a ban on any player with vanity items.
That was 3 days ago.
Noone has much heart left for anything other then shooting CCP now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:00:00 -
[2664]
Item: 1000$ Pants Category: Head Gear --------
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Vapidity
Amarr My Monkeys 2 round banannas
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:29:00 -
[2665]
Guys... they had no current plans for MICROTRANSACTIONS. The $70 eyeball is not a microtransaction! That is a MEGATRANSACTION!
It's all good, man! They didn't lie about it!
This is what I hear then CCP people talk..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
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Sirconis Lychen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:31:00 -
[2666]
Originally by: 5nake pliskan Edited by: 5nake pliskan on 26/06/2011 02:03:17 Edited by: 5nake pliskan on 26/06/2011 02:02:37 FU ccp
I wrote a long post to this turd of a blog
I hit submit but your BS login timer caused my post to dump.
so I wrote a short post to tell you simply that I hate CCP, but it got dumped because apparently trying to log in to your BS forums counts as a ****ing post setting off the 2 minute timer...
go suck an egg Sulu (sic)
I ALWAYS Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C my posts before actually posting them. You never know when sh!t3 like this might happen.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:33:00 -
[2667]
Originally by: Vapidity This is what I hear then CCP people talk..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
ROFL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Mrs Perception
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:34:00 -
[2668]
die ccp
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:36:00 -
[2669]
Originally by: Shadow XII
That says 'Don't have plans to', not 'Will never happen'.
Plans change, especially over the course of a year.
tbh in one of the later replies in that thread he got pushed into saying that CCP "will not" change its business model.
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Miss Meghalsz
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:41:00 -
[2670]
First of all Incarna's developing was not so smooth as you CCP guys think. (for example it completely screwed my solar system map. Oh ok.. only a few player lives in a class 4 wormhole space) Second I tought I have a very good computer configuration which is only a year old. Two client's just eat my processors. Wtf is that.. Game like this should be more playable..... eh..
Answering the question.? CCP Zulu: I wear a jeans which costs 0,025 $.. You just a huge buncH of capitalists, but so sad you are proud to it. But This time, why dont you guys tell your boss whats going on, take the responsibility or the possibility, someone gets fired, and ANSWER OUR ****ING QUESTION!! I tell you something more.. FAIL ideas like MT and moving Turret slots, cant hold old players in the game. maybe a bunch of newbies came, but 2 mounths later they leave because its remains unplayable. (fix the bugs only I think ,, the newbies get what they want already, and the old ones stay, becouse game gets better at once.) Keep doing like this CCP, Vanity Buttsexing the old players etc.. It will kill EVE.
Oh did I mentioned? ANSWER OUR ****ING QUESTION!
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Hotaru Yamato
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:48:00 -
[2671]
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
Only part of the update I'm concerned about.
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Azztoroid
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:52:00 -
[2672]
Originally by: Hotaru Yamato
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
Only part of the update I'm concerned about.
+1
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:56:00 -
[2673]
Edited by: Nemesor on 26/06/2011 07:56:45 I have been playing since 2005. It is the only game I played because it was special. It had consequence.
You make or take real time and effort from your enemies or for your friends. You literally make from Eve what
you put into it.
Microtransactions (or megatransactions) take away from that experience if they deal with anything other than Vanity items.
You say, "Trust us." You have been promising to take a look at Damps. At Blasters. At Mines. You can now add alternate
station interiors to that list. Fix and balance what you have on your plate CCP... then come and ask us to trust your judgement.
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Wordle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:03:00 -
[2674]
It's clear that this public message was intended for release after they released Incarna and along a timeline where CCP didn't think they would have some leaked emails to deal with. This message was pretyped before Incarna ever hit and it's obvious that it is. That is why it doesn't answer anyone's questions. The that they made us wait a day before it was released is crazy and fact that no one realized this is crazy. Total horse****.
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Wordle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:09:00 -
[2675]
Originally by: Wordle It's clear that this public message was intended for release after they released Incarna and along a timeline where CCP didn't think they would have some leaked emails to deal with. This message was pretyped before Incarna ever hit and it's obvious that it is. That is why it doesn't answer anyone's questions. The that they made us wait a day before it was released is crazy and fact that no one realized this is crazy. Total horse****.
The part about the clothes. The upper portion was created recently after they found out about the leaked newsletter. Should have mentioned that in my first post, sorry.
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OziNUT
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:10:00 -
[2676]
Originally by: CCP they might even go as far as buying a $500 leather jacket that matches the one their avatar is wearing
Orly, Somehow I think not
Originally by: CCP I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.
Think you boys really need to reassess your business model if this is what you really think of your _CLIENTS_
Ohhh and is this question so hard to answer... Really??????
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Yes/No ???????
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Renard Voltaire
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:24:00 -
[2677]
Ok guys Coke classic? or the "new coke" hahahaha
You know what, table top games are becomming more and more appealing
The video gamining industry is turning into Hollywood, and I mean I have not been to a movie in years, I go more toward books now (its like an evil web, even kindle is wrong, but thats another story)
Its like when you are young, having trusting nature, tend to be more open minded, you give things a chance!, as you get older, you learn that you trust and love things less, or you learn what to love and what not to. Its said older people get set in their ways, I tend to think that older people draw a line in the sand of lies. What are you going to tell a young child that your raising? "Son you live in a world of garbage, get over it, people who have control pretend to listen to what you think, but they never really care; its a rip off or be ripped off world; steal but dont get caught! thats the rule, now do your homework and be a good successful "pretend" moral human being"
The older you get the more of a lie and a load of crap everything is, but you know what.......apathy helps me through the day, I think I now know why religon was invented........ Bottom line, I dont care, if it messes up the game, I go away
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:29:00 -
[2678]
To all protestors who made it out to Jita, Amarr, Hek, Rens, Dodixie and other trade hubs this weekend I'd just like to say - job well done. No matter the eventual outcome of all of this I feel truly blessed to be part of a community as strong and devoted to a single cause as the Eve Online community is.
People came together from all walks of life, all points of view and all corners of the globe and unified as a single, collective voice against the tyranny and oppression of CCP. This weekend has been the most memorable and spectacular experience I have ever had in Eve Online bar none and has restored my faith in humanity on a number of levels.
And before you ass grinders start ripping that apart - I've seen a lot of cool sh*t and participated in a lot of really spectacular events in the game - this still beat them all, hands down.
While there were some who's participation was clearly a demonstration of rightfully felt rage, the vast majority of the communication was civil, poignant, and concise. We were able to educate many of the masses of people in Eve Online about our concerns and this is a key part of the overall strategy we must take as concerned denizens of New Eden if we are to be successful in doing anything more than marking history with our epic events.
I wish to thank each and everyone who has participated in voicing their concerns and for demonstrating to CCP what our words apparently could not - that we will not go quietly down the road they expect to take us and that this is more than simple resistance to change. It's about knowing what is best for the game - and unfortunately, the only people left who even understand Eve Online intimately are us. We're it. It's up to us to convince this train wreck of a company that they're meddling with something that will break Eve.
I encourage everyone to continue this protest day after day after day until your subscriptions run out. Even if you only go to one of the market hubs for a couple hours to lend your voice when you can, just do it. Do we want to save this game that we've worked so hard together to build from being destroyed by people who have lost touch with reality? Then we must persevere. We must make our voices heard as often and as loudly as possible.
If you haven't yet unsubscribed your account(s), now is the time to do so. Tonight CCP stepped up their efforts to scare us away from Jita with cautions of violating the EULA and turning some of us red as 'protestors determined to be a threat by Caldari State'. We must not let this foolishness deter us from our convictions. We must be willing to sacrifice ourselves as martyrs for the rest of the community if we are to prevail. Good luck to all pilots and remember to explain our concerns to anyone that asks. Point them to the threads and inform them about pay to win, the micro (macro?) transactions lie, the arrogance and the dismissal of us... the customers of CCP, etc. We have valid complaints, please continue to express them in-game to others.
It is with great honor that I fly with you all. Friend, foe and random alike. You are all my brothers and sisters here and without you, my game would not be what it has been, what it is today and, with any luck, what it will be in the future. I've made a lot of great friends in 48 hours and each and every pilot who protested have my deepest respect. Fly safe my friends. o7
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:30:00 -
[2679]
Originally by: Smoking Blunts inside ccp
Quote: CCP Games û ôThe longer you stay the more it hurtsö Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.
Well, so CCP Pros... it has a nice place to eat. CCP Cons... professionalism and communication are non-existant.
Not really surprised.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
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For those a lil slow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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C4 985
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:35:00 -
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It must be the worst blog ever..
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Renard Voltaire
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:38:00 -
[2682]
Consortium Agent gotta belong to a milita in the U.S or is a throwback from the U.S revolutionary war
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Gil Warden
Gallente Priory of Empire SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:41:00 -
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They say silence is golden, in the case of CCP, it's a golden opportunity for players to rage and get riled up. CCP really, REALLY need to address their players, their customers. And not with their backside output port. When making omelets, don't crack MY Egg.
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:48:00 -
[2684]
Originally by: Gil Warden They say silence is golden, in the case of CCP, it's a golden opportunity for players to rage and get riled up. CCP really, REALLY need to address their players, their customers. And not with their backside output port.
bolded made me ROFL
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Ya Huei
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:50:00 -
[2685]
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Just answer the question ffs.
And just so you know : Apart from the new turrets, incarna is a useless cpu/gpu hog piece of crap, its a golden turd.
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Orkasm
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:57:00 -
[2686]
Its been 2 days CCP, Where is your reply? ----
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:59:00 -
[2687]
Originally by: Renard Voltaire Consortium Agent gotta belong to a milita in the U.S or is a throwback from the U.S revolutionary war
Hmmm... Try a better troll next time bud. That one just really isn't very good. It's late tho - I forgive you. ;P
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Van Flegg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:01:00 -
[2688]
"It's the weekend, this will all blow over by Monday... Riiiigghhhht???"
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Jos Wijnants
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:07:00 -
[2689]
Originally by: Van Flegg "It's the weekend, this will all blow over by Monday... Riiiigghhhht???"
nope!!! here will no reply until Monday from the devs bc they don,t seem to care what we say and if they don,t reply the rage will be even bigger
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Ilmunel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:09:00 -
[2690]
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:12:00 -
[2691]
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
Are these CCP alts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Ya Huei
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:15:00 -
[2692]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
Are these CCP alts?
Just to make sure they didnt miss it.
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Shooter McGavvin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:16:00 -
[2693]
Originally by: Consortium Agent
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso I DON'T SEE YOU PROTESTING ABOUT BOTTING AND MACRO'ING WHICH GIVE MOST NULL SEC ALLIANCES AN ADVANTAGE
Dude... I wrote http://www.reportbots.com. I got a mention at the last fanfest for my efforts to curb the botting problems in Eve. WTF have you done about it?
*THIS* is a much more important topic for me at the moment. *If* they will be introducing pay to win at any point in the near or distant future to this game *it will break*. Period.
Having said that, let me also say this. If this was the first time we've been down this road with CCP I'd be (and have been) on your side of the fence laughing at all the rage emo stuff and wondering why? But I've come over to the other side of the fence after watching CCP duly ignore their customers requests for game content and instead shove all manner of, well, not much really, at us for several years - all the while breaking even more and more of what brought most of us to this game in the first place - internet spaceship pew pew game. Not barbie dolls game, internet spaceship pew pew game. I turned CQ off on patch day. I already played with it on SiSi - it's cool but until there is more to do than flesh spinning I don't see the point.
I also already saw the items in the Noble Exchange, and indeed the noble exchange itself and bought and wore most of the junk they released to help them test. I, personally, have little interest in playing dress up barbies and won't spend real money on vanity items anyway.
If, however, they plan on introducing any of the 'Goron Gecko' actor topics, even in the benign case - where they introduce pay to win (pay real cash for a distinct advantage in an already subscription sandbox game) then it is game over for everyone whether you like it or not.
While I agree that CCP hasn't said they *will* introduce MT items that give players an advantage, the also have *not* said they will not. It's a simple question upon which many, many, many subsriptions to Eve hang in the balance on. Judging from CCPs history in recent years, I can only speculate, assume and am already thoroughly convinced that the lack of a proper response to that one simple question *is* the response. CCP has done this before. They did it with bots if you remember. I raged and wrote reportbots.com in response and it finally got some attention. I think I know what I'm talking about here. If you want to help, unsubscribe your account. You don't have to emo rage quit - you simply have to unsubscribe and give CCP a chance to figure out they made a mistake. In a few months or so, hell who knows - maybe in 6-7 mos from now, they'll either have mitigated this problem, in which case we all come back, or they have not, in which case we haven't wasted another 6-7 mos of our time or money being milked like cows or thought of as golden geese who will blindly and happily pay for CCPs vision of the future - which seems to be in sharp contrast to a spaceship game.
The most disturbing thing of all for me is Hilmar actually thinks that making a game which is more relevant in peoples lives than real life itself is a 'good thing'. It is if your only concern is the bottom line. But man that opened my eyes wide and but quick. Immersion in a game is one thing, but to want your customers to consider their Eve lives more relevant than their real lives just sickens me. I'm all for writing a good game and having people enjoy it, but to make world domination through virtual reality a goal? Ugh.
So, mate, I was on your side a few years ago. I've been here for a long time and loved every minute of playing the game and used to laugh and think people were over-reacting. We're not. We're reacting in the only way CCP ever listens - by unsibscribing our accounts or making such a public spectacle of them that they have little recourse but to listen to their players. This time, they're getting both. That's how f*cked this has gotten.
Here... I have an extra pitchfork for you...
That right there is a good, old-fashoned smack down. Concise, well-organized and to the point. Bravo.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:18:00 -
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The Senior Priducer of EVE Online - CCP Zulu (Arnar Hrafn Gylfason) - has no education! No high school! No university!
... And most important, he has no degree (nor skills) in COMMUNICATION, PR, Consumer/Customer Relations.
... but then again, The Senior Director of PR and Communication of CCP - CCP Pann (Valerie Massey) has the same impressive educational background
Originally by: Iamien
Originally by: Ni'ark Ms. Massey attended San Jacinto College and resides in Austin.
The head of PR does not even hold a degree. How can a proper mouthpiece not have a degree?
Also, she is responsible for the interaction with Tabula Rasa community, we are DOOOMED!
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Agent 42
Gallente RADIO RAMPAGE
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:18:00 -
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Comparing a MT with 1000$ jeans?
Seeing such flawed logic ****es me off more than the overpriced items. What an insult to our intelligence. The 0.000001 percentage of people who buy 1000$ jeans do so to help them get laid in certain clubs. How are 35$ non-existent jeans going to help us get laid?
You make no ****ing sense CCP. You would make more money by making them cheaper, this is obvious.
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Siena Petrucis
Caldari Jelly Kings BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Siena Petrucis on 26/06/2011 09:21:58 CCP Zulu: "One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions."
Forget about the rest of the gaming industry. Eve is unique in its single shard approach, a working sandbox and the ability of players to shape their universe. I don't want Eve to become another bait-and-hook game. If I want to play bait-and-hook, then there are plenty on the market without a monthly subscription fee. The day game-affecting items are introduced, I quit.
CCP Zulu: "While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them."
CSM and players made it very very clear long ago that selling in-game advantages is not acceptable. Even talking about that internally is a blatant disregard of the players wishes. ****storm is well-deserved.
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Semantica Semah
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:28:00 -
[2697]
I hate to say it, but I think the question everyone is asking has been answered. If CCP did not intend to bring in MT For The Win, they would not hesitate to say so. Indeed, why would they let this rage continue? So in the tradition of politicians and corporations everywhere, if you cannot confirm, stonewall. Perhaps it would be good to stop asking if they intend to bring in MT FTW and start asking them to change their mind?
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:28:00 -
[2698]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 09:29:27 oi... Zulu ain't half bad, he's there with no degree cause he was one of the guys who gave a lil bit of a ****.
The press release isn't even his words.
edit: ONCE AGAIN
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The press release was already prepped and they were all ready to go get drunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:28:00 -
[2699]
Well, CCP Zulu made me cancel 3 accounts. Well done!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Photon Ceray
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:40:00 -
[2700]
I hope 334 + 94 = 428 pages of replies in 2 days is enough evidence that
greed is NOT good!
Seriously, are you stupid? look around you, greed is the worst plague on humanity, it's the reason behind destroying our environment, economies, wars, crime and almost every evil thing humans do!
Moreover, greed is what topples real world empires, when they keep wanting more and more and can't be satisfied anymore, that's when they start to fall apart and disappear!
There is a hairline relationship between a business and a consumer, if the business pulls too much then the line will be ripped apart!
For a long time I've had the impression that CCP is run more by friendships than by professionalism, and what I've read from reviews of working at CCP confirms that. What was leaked definitely confirms that you are so out of touch with players and profitable business.
430 pages in 2 days is a big problem if I were you! it's probably time to rethink your strategy and restructure the company if you don't want to crumble in 3-4 years MAX!
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William Brooklyn
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:54:00 -
[2701]
i recon its time to look for another game to play...
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BR Link
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:57:00 -
[2702]
Edited by: BR Link on 26/06/2011 09:59:06
Originally by: Photon Ceray I hope 334 + 94 = 428 pages of replies in 2 days is enough evidence that
greed is NOT good!
They're not listening to what we say. The email practically stated that outright. They're looking at our actions.
Thankfully there are over 3500 cancelled accounts now, amounting to over $53,000 per month in lost revenues. Or about $635k per year. Perhaps CCP will realise that this sort of loss is not worth the cash they'll scr@pe from MT.
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Bibosikus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:58:00 -
[2703]
I work part-time, have a 3-month old daughter and not a lot of spare cash.
I don't buy $1,000 jeans. I don't even buy $50 jeans.
The very suggestion that CCP thinks of me in this way is offensive. Wrong.
Zulu isn't just out of touch with Eve, he appears to be completely divorced from real life also.
Why does CCP think Eve is populated by imbeciles who are apparently going to fall over themselves in their haste to spend their wages on this stuff? Most of the friends I've made in Eve are mature professionals. They're not the sort of people who'll spend unnecessary cash on childish crud that no-one else will ever see.
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LordInvisible
Gallente Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:58:00 -
[2704]
OMG, what a **** devblog.
You literaly said to your customer base: fu.ck you, we are doing our own game, if you dont like it, play something else.
And guess what, I will play something else. After 7 years of dedication to EvE Online i am unsubing my 4 accounts. And trust me, I'm talking more of my friends accounts with me!
CCP, this is utter **** from you. I hope EvE turns into Dust..ohh, wait.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that |
Kaos Supreme
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:00:00 -
[2705]
We, the PAYING customers, the ones who PAY YOUR SALARIES, want the following >
NO MICRO-TRANSACTIONS FOR NON VANITY ITEMS!
FIX THE ****IN LAG SO THAT MAJOR ALLIANCES CAN COMPETE FOR CONTROL OF REGIONS AND THE RESOURCES WITHIN(As advertised) SO THAT STRATEGY & TEAMWORK DETERMINES THE OUTCOME NOT LAG!
NULL SEC AND MOON RESOURCES NEEDS A MAJOR OVERHAUL!
DESTROY ONCE AND FOR ALL THE ABILITY TO RUN BOTS / MACROS!
"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you." ù Friedrich Nietzsche
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Duvious
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:22:00 -
[2706]
Edited by: Duvious on 26/06/2011 10:23:10 My sub has been cancelled as of a few minutes ago. Vote with your wallet people, and not in the way CCP is hoping for by supporting MT's.
NOTE: Would have been a 4 year subscriber as of Nov. 27th, 2011. Way to lose a loyal customer CCP.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:22:00 -
[2707]
Originally by: Kaos Supreme We, the PAYING customers, the ones who PAY YOUR SALARIES, want the following >
NO MICRO-TRANSACTIONS FOR NON VANITY ITEMS!
FIX THE ****IN LAG SO THAT MAJOR ALLIANCES CAN COMPETE FOR CONTROL OF REGIONS AND THE RESOURCES WITHIN(As advertised) SO THAT STRATEGY & TEAMWORK DETERMINES THE OUTCOME NOT LAG!
NULL SEC AND MOON RESOURCES NEEDS A MAJOR OVERHAUL!
DESTROY ONCE AND FOR ALL THE ABILITY TO RUN BOTS / MACROS!
"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you." ù Friedrich Nietzsche
And fix damps and blasters. And admit the nano nerf was just a bit severe!
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Rhynn Izo
Caldari Banzai Institute for Advanced Warfare and Tactics
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:26:00 -
[2708]
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44 You still haven't repeated your commitment to never bringing non-vanity MT's, but it doesn't matter.
A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.
Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?
CCP has shown many times that its promises are meaningless.
The only thing now that you can do is DELIVER. Your words have no value and won't stop the exodus. The time to promise to never bring non-vanity MTs is gone, you can't even reiterate promise, but it doesn't matter because we don't trust you anymore, anyway.
Only your ACTIONS could change something.
Remove the Noble Exchange, give players back the PLEX's they have spent on Aurum and make all the Noble Store content free for everyone. Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat.
That should be enough to stop the bleeding until the next time you **** because we all know you are too stubborn to do what the CSM tells you and to learn from your mistakes.
It takes years to build trust and just a few seconds to destroy it.
That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.
*signed*
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Wingspread
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:31:00 -
[2709]
Originally by: Rhynn Izo
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44 That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.
Right now it seems that the devblog is in itself the elephant in the room.
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McBane
Gallente AFK Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:33:00 -
[2710]
Well, before that 'blog' I was probably just hanging on to my sub, but after reading that, my sub is about to be cancelled. What was the point of it, to **** us off more? I mean it answered no questions and stead fast refused to admint that they are wrong on pricing - despite being the laughing stock of the Internet gaming world currently. That shocking lack of understanding of it's own playerbase (and indeed out of touch with th world in general!) combined with what appears to be a steady move towards using aurum for game affecting goods, see's me, with regret, bow out. My only annoyance now is I subbed for 6 months the last month - is it possible to get a refund? _______________________________________________ Top 10 things I hate in these forums. *snip* -Oi mod |
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Anepo
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:42:00 -
[2711]
Originally by: Roh Voleto Edited by: Roh Voleto on 24/06/2011 21:08:42 That's not gonna cut it, buddy. I do love the part where you ignore every single issue people are actually concerned about, though.
Edit: I wonder what it will be like to log into Tranquility on a Sunday afternoon and see less than 10k users online.
Ironicly one of the corrupt bankers who helped in robbing the nation of Iceland and bankrupting it leaving the country devistated owns a large percentage in CCP. I would not be surprised this was his doing. As he is friends with some of the staff as well.
I heard ONE good news yesterday. Star wars galaxies will be closing it's door. And now seeing the way EVE has gone. I am looking forward to CCP doing the same.
Hopefully they get what they diserve for having NO respect for they're customer. And that would be the bankruptcy of CCP (sadly though if they go bankrupt the people have to pay it because the owners will drain the money and send it off shore as they did with the banks) But atleast would be nice knowing a few hundred thousand people could possibly come here and run and gun down those bastards.
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Danly Steel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:49:00 -
[2712]
Hey, I'm struttin' right now. Got my $1K jeans on, got my monocle in position, got my . . . um . . . got my ship hung up on a mission acceleration gate and can't warp because stupid physics are less important than monocles to CCP. How can a spaceship get hung up on asteroids and gates?--maybe the pricey jeans pockets are catching something.
Remember, mates. In space, no one can hear your jeans.
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Suicide Failed
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:52:00 -
[2713]
1 Question.
Why does CCP Zulu refer to money as dollars? he is from Iceland! Iceland has the Krona! Does this mean Zulu is based in America? if so then why is he doing a blog as the atlanta offices are the ones working on WOD!
Can someone explain? (i am asking everyone else as i know CCP arent going to answer this.)
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Roger Stein
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:53:00 -
[2714]
I, too, have unsubscribed, at least for the time being. Although you will not find me stomping around spreading doom-and-gloom messages about something that was discussed in an internal newsletter, I do not intend to financially support this game until my concerns are satisfactorily alleviated.
- Roger Stein
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.26 10:54:00 -
[2715]
Originally by: James StormRider Hey guys I see that it's still going on people saying they are canceling there accounts and how eve is going to die because of AUR and the NEX store. Why not stop and see what is realy going to be offered in the NEX store other than clothes before leaving eve. CCP is going to do what they are going to do might as well enjoy eve until we all see what direction the NEX store is going to take than cancel your account / accounts if you don't like it. I for 1 and others I know would pay like 5.00 usd extra a month for a monthly license to be able to use our roq or carrier in hi-sec. O what fun it would be to wage hi-sec war with my carrier along side my Meg lol. Or having my roq in a hi-sec ice system compressing every ice cube in sight O the tears from the carebears lol. But that's not going to happen now or down the line.
CCP is alot of things but from all my years in eve the 1 thing they are not is crazzy enought to screw up a good thing. Now people are going crazy over mt for clothes items and mt will prob be used for custome ship paint jobs. But who cares I don't want any items like that. All I want is what I have now free updates cool ships to fly around in and the up coming station enviroment to play around in while my new alt is stuck training until he can have the skills needed to do some thing other than blow rats up. That is what this move by CCP is all about making a place and offering items to bring new carebears to eve so we can find new ways to gank them LOL. Like the time 1500.00 usd worth of plex was blown up in jita that was a blast LOL. Just think of a hauler load of NEX store items being ganked in Jita and all the tears of the carebear that lost it. I say bring it on CCP and let the ganking start in 5..4..3..2..1... GANK LOL.
Poor richman!
You are telling, what most of the players, that are posting here, don't want: pay to win eve. great idea harrassing noobs with your carrier in highsec - why not supercaps and titans, freshly bought from the store, because (possible) demand is legalizing everything?
THIS actually is the way of killing a good game.
Much posters in this thread - including me - are passionate about eve ... still. but this passion causes fear of the changes you endorse, by the weak argument that the wonderful side of the NEX-Store is creating more expensive killmails.
I hope that you are not serious in this position. otherwise I hope, that your highsec carrier will get blown up by supercap.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:00:00 -
[2716]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 11:01:35 Page 338-339 people figure out that it's not Hilmars fault.
A major breakthrough in the history of Eve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:03:00 -
[2717]
Originally by: Danly Steel
Remember, mates. In space, no one can hear your jeans.
Or see them.
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Skie Ankora
The Growroom
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:13:00 -
[2718]
Edited by: Skie Ankora on 26/06/2011 11:15:17 From a loyal player that has never made a negative comment on the forums before...
But this time I feel I have to respond:
Quote: We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.
That, sir, is a staggeringly disgusting response. I can only read it as sarcasm. You've insulted yourself and the company you work for.
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Blast Radius1
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:23:00 -
[2719]
Edited by: Blast Radius1 on 26/06/2011 11:24:23 "Ironicly one of the corrupt bankers who helped in robbing the nation of Iceland and bankrupting it leaving the country devistated owns a large percentage in CCP. I would not be surprised this was his doing. As he is friends with some of the staff as well."
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, say WHAT?!! Really? You kidding, right?
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Hadley's Hope
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:25:00 -
[2720]
"Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? "
You CCP guys are fool. I dont give a **** what are people thinking of me. But when its get obivious that CCP thinks I'm nobody, after my 3 years subs, still not care but makes me fustrated. I go find another game to play, where business strategies starts with the CLIENTS. This is a game.. providing fun to the clients. Not anger.. Why should I buy any items, with a better bonus, after that I payed for my game time. Can I ask you something? How many glasses did you sell? LOL You are really idiots.
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Grit Diaspora
Gallente Money Flow Index.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:29:00 -
[2721]
Originally by: Kaos Supreme We, the PAYING customers, the ones who PAY YOUR SALARIES, want the following >
NO MICRO-TRANSACTIONS FOR NON VANITY ITEMS!
FIX THE ****IN LAG SO THAT MAJOR ALLIANCES CAN COMPETE FOR CONTROL OF REGIONS AND THE RESOURCES WITHIN(As advertised) SO THAT STRATEGY & TEAMWORK DETERMINES THE OUTCOME NOT LAG!
NULL SEC AND MOON RESOURCES NEEDS A MAJOR OVERHAUL!
DESTROY ONCE AND FOR ALL THE ABILITY TO RUN BOTS / MACROS!
"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you." ù Friedrich Nietzsche
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Elveszemazisked
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:31:00 -
[2722]
Hahahaha LOL I hope I get the glasses when I pod somebody. OH wait.. I cancelled
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Jonathan Caldar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:33:00 -
[2723]
Just Canceled both my subscribtions, here a little advice...
There are a few things we can do about the ongoing situation:
1. Post on the forums. Any kind of post is good as long as it talks about the issue. 2. Make sure your EvE friends are aware of the current situation. 3. Cancel your subscribtion. 4. Join protestors in major trade hubs by shooting stuff. 5. If you are CEO of the corporation ban usage of Aurum items.
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Amaldor Themodius
Psykotic Meat
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:34:00 -
[2724]
Terrible response and evidence that CCP senior leadership is out of touch with the player community.. In case the message from your customer base has not yet registered let me be clear.
- Unilaterally most of your player base is opposed to microtransactions in game. With all the broken content and stuff that needs fixing that you chose to invest resources in this trashy money grabbing feature is mind boggling.
- Captains quarters yay its nice to see the game evolving toward out of pod content but ffs stop being d1cks about it.. Is there really a need to cram this content down each players throats? A room a hallway and a balcony are not the most engaging in game features. In fact i'd go as far as saying the CQ content iin its current format is just extra grind / time wasted loading screens, walking, etc which isnt really anything to do with the actual game play.
- Next, stop crying u giant CCP pu55y i mean seriously build me an igloo with your frozen tears, do something useful. Your company has established the culture of eve and you havent had any issue with player raging at players for 8 years. Now u guys finally have the veil pulled down from your crappy alias's and now u burst into tears.. Oh cruel world its soooo not fair.. Harden the fark up u big girl. The seething hot bed of CCP poltics is laughable and I'd argue the internal staff who leaked these docs are probably the only employees with a glimmer of integrity, dont chastise them give them a medal u dumb a55
My perception of CCP has never been worse low integrity, out of touch and perhaps fearless are some of the problems. Possibly time to get rid of some of the dead wood in the company; CCP soundwave would be at the very top of this list having listened to him during AT9 and seen his rubber stamp on the evolving game content any value he may once have had as a game developer is clearly long since gone. Consumer sovereigntny may be a new concept at CCP but heres the deal get back to your core values of making the game good, of building genuine value added features and keeping yourselves at the cutting edge of game development... do this and you will continue to enjoy making profits from space games.. dont do this and we your customers will withdraw the income your derive from our subscription and your company will become further wreckage in an econnomy that is under the burden of recession.
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Dr Sodius
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:37:00 -
[2725]
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
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Amaldor Themodius
Psykotic Meat
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:42:00 -
[2726]
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
this
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FluffyTheWonderBunny
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:45:00 -
[2727]
Originally by: Amaldor Themodius
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answer if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
this
this
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GIDGET GLAM
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:47:00 -
[2728]
Originally by: Dr Sodius
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
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SpySpySpySpy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:52:00 -
[2729]
Originally by: GIDGET GLAM
Originally by: Dr Sodius
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
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Woo Mi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:00:00 -
[2730]
Hmm, is this a trend towards instant gratification? You already lowered the requirements for high quality mission and research agents, making them easier accessable for noobs.
If you now start game influencing sales of toys/SP/standing then what you are basically saying is that you don't value the time people spent in the game workings towards something, but that you only value our money. This is not something that awards a long term commitment to the game on the side of the players.
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Dathas
Minmatar Dawn's Requiem
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:02:00 -
[2731]
Dear CCP,
As a long time (2004) player and former member of the Camarilla my advice about the NEX:
Stop listening to the White Wolf people; alienating your customer base through sheer greed is a stupid move, as they clearly demonstrated over and over. Don't act like you are doing us some great service when in fact you are slapping us in the face. Listen to what these forums are saying and what people are complaining about. These aren't technical glitches or just some new graphical change, but a fundamental change in the relationship you have with your players, and you need to think long and hard as to how you are going to proceed.
Eve is a tight community. One server world does that to us. We have in the past felt like CCP was more connected to that community than other <coughSonyBlizzardcough> game developers. What you are showing now is that we may have been wrong. We are doubting you and your commitment to providing the product and service you have always tried to in the past: a fun, dynamic experience that is deep and immersive.
When you start making it less about that, you will start losing your long time player base. When you come back with responses that amount to "Suck it up and deal" you will lose even more.
I'm not leaving... yet; I have friends and plenty of good times, but listen to all of these posts. Listen to how your customers, players and fans are reacting to your treatment of them.
Dathas, out.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:09:00 -
[2732]
Originally by: Blast Radius1 Edited by: Blast Radius1 on 26/06/2011 11:24:23 "Ironicly one of the corrupt bankers who helped in robbing the nation of Iceland and bankrupting it leaving the country devistated owns a large percentage in CCP. I would not be surprised this was his doing. As he is friends with some of the staff as well."
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, say WHAT?!! Really? You kidding, right?
Dudes name is josepeh Gallo and is CCP's Cheif Financial offficer. Checking out Linkedin he is about 2/3rd's of the way down. Its the likes of crooks like him that casued the Global Credit Crisis etc. so don't be suprised to see CCP crash and burn with the likes of him near the levers of power.
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Masanganar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:17:00 -
[2733]
Originally by: Dr Sodius
Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
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Holly Cleland
Special Operations Foxhound
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:30:00 -
[2734]
Edited by: Holly Cleland on 26/06/2011 12:30:25
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
Addendum: CQ is lame, bring back ship spinning
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Taskar Tremens
Psykotic Meat C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:34:00 -
[2735]
Originally by: Holly Cleland Edited by: Holly Cleland on 26/06/2011 12:30:25
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
Addendum: CQ is lame, bring back ship spinning
this
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Ian Blackbird
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:35:00 -
[2736]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
this
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Mr. Lynch on Incarna for Mac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GighJ9I7elk |
Trax Darkstorm
Caldari Commonwealth Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:39:00 -
[2737]
I won't be renewing my subscription after it runs out with the current situation. Please listen to your CUSTOMERS!!!!
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:41:00 -
[2738]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 12:41:56
Originally by: Ian Blackbird
Quote:
duuuuuhhhhhhh?
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMXYE_50Ts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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L Anubis
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:54:00 -
[2739]
3 accounts cancelled
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:57:00 -
[2740]
listen to this EVE radio discussion with several CSM members and prominent players. It made things really clear on whats going on here.
I'm not blaming CCP Zulu or CCP Soundwave. Zulu's blog didn't sound like him at all. It sounds more like Hilmar or someone in higher management is forcing the company into this direction and it muting all the other sounds from the company... --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:58:00 -
[2741]
Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
Still the best post on the subject, a few runners up.
Not laser focused but does the trick for communicating the situation.
Another good one goes into the setup of the gold system where the dealer always wins on people who try to setup "shops" (CCP being the sole supplier).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Wingspread
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:59:00 -
[2742]
Originally by: DathasI'm not leaving... yet; I have friends and plenty of good times, but listen to all of these posts. Listen to how your customers, players and fans are reacting to your treatment of them.
Dathas, out.[/quote
I'm Wingspread, and I approve this message.
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Galenea Moreau
Galactic Operations
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:11:00 -
[2743]
Edited by: Galenea Moreau on 26/06/2011 13:12:10 Many years ago when I first started playing EVE I remember a being surprised at the amount of things you could do without being required to buy additional content and being encouraged to stay playing EVE by being repeadedly told all core content expansions would be free to the player.
Right now I'm becoming exceedingly worried that that core value has been abandoned in the continuing search for more profits.
I am not refering to the current exhorbitant prices for the vanity items not the comment from CCP Zulu that probably even more expensive items will also becoming available but to the continually unanswered question of weather game balance effecting items are going to be available in the future only as a money transaction item.
On the subject of the money transaction vanity items that are currently available I refuse to use the word Micro in relation to any item in the NEX exchange as micro implies small and there isn't a single item there that qualifies. I'm sorry but any vanity item that costs as much if not more than a real world equivalent is not a micro transaction. Do you guys not realise that there is a recesion in the world? or are you so disconnected from your playerbase that you don't realise that playing EVE is the one remaining luxury that some of us are affording ourselves.
In the end I hope you guys realise just how far wide of the mark you are on this and sort it out really quickly but I'm guessing that so far it's not sunk in that it's better to sell 20,000 of something at $2 than it is to sell 200 at $20 both make you $40,000 but the former upsets 18,800 less people and right now those 18,800 are really really upset.
Oh one other thing, seeing as vanity items are clearly a luxury and since all these transactions are taking place on UK soil are you making provision to pay the UK's 20% luxuries Tax? I know the economy over here could do with the revenue
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:26:00 -
[2744]
More youtube awesomeness:
CCP discusses microtransactions
"It sounds like your values have changed." 'Yes." "Why?" "We're a company. Our core value is to have no values."
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Ghazu
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:29:00 -
[2745]
comparing goddamn pixel clothing to $1000 japanese boutique jeans? what the Focking Fock
now you are the one that is deserving of the hatred, the ****storm and the draggin through of the mud Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
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Skyreth
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:37:00 -
[2746]
Good items: -Vanity and cosmetic items, items such as clothes, paint jobs for the ships and perhaps altered models of ships. These items I am fine with.
-New ships. Ships with bonuses and the such that are on par with current used ships, with the ability to sell these ships on the market, I could be fine with that too.
Bad items: -Items that give an unfair advantage over other players, training speed increases and all the rest. These sort of things are a complete no. So no giving training speed bonuses or over powered ships out, that will kill EVE.
********** As some of you may be aware, Sony Online Entertainment has recently announced plans to close Star Wars Galaxies. SWG was killed by stupid ideas, don't let EVE go the same way.
I love Incarna, I'm fine with micro-transactions to a limit...but do not start letting people buy unfair advantages with real world money. It will ruin the PvP in EVE, which will then destroy the markets, which will finally kill off the carebears.
I'll stick around for a long while yet. But as soon as EVE starts to become by ruled by people with deep wallets in RL, then I will consider leaving. Besides that obvious micro-transaction issues though, I am fine with the direction EVE is headed. ---------------------------------
You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn! |
Hana Steelethorne
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:41:00 -
[2747]
CCP Zulu's devblog was just so much condescending twaddle and bafflegab.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:59:00 -
[2748]
CCP hears:
Originally by: Skyreth Good items: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah . These items I am fine with.
-blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Kristaara
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:07:00 -
[2749]
Kind of a terrible dev blog, unless the purpose was to enrage people further.
I don't mind the MT, but the terribleness of CQ/Incarna in general and the lack of focus on internet spaceships killed my will to care anymore.
2 days left on account and then ciao.
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Alex Roggen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:13:00 -
[2750]
I don't consider it a microtransaction when vanity items costs more than two or three months worth of subscription time. WTF.... Since you overpriced everything... I doubt you will yeild much in improved income.
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Y'lon
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:15:00 -
[2751]
Is it just my impression or did the devblog sound like a big: "F**k off. Yeah, we hear you, but we don't care. We'll charge you as much as we want for those useless items and there's nothing you can do about it."
I'm sorry, but this is the first time I saw a game developer be this arrogant towards their customers.
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Belloche
Caldari Pegasus Battle Group Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:17:00 -
[2752]
On 6/24/10 we were told point blank that CCP had no plans to introduce ANY type of MT whatsoever. Now we have the NEX shop. Thats a 180 degree turn around. Being as it takes '18 months' for CCP to fix/do anything were they lying then? Will you or I actually believe them now if they say there will not be any non-vanity items in the nex shop in the future? I won't, especially since I saw what was discussed in the Fearless newsletter and that Hilmar specifically said, "We have communicated our intention here INTERNALLY in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our FEARLESS NEWSLETTER, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone." HIS words, not mine. It comes as a surprise to us since it wasn't done EXTERNALLY. (note that I put his important words in all caps) If we are to believe that "the newsletter doesn't represent the values of CCP" spin, then Hilmar contradicts that in his GLOBAL MASS MAIL. Do we believe a dev or the CEO?
In Fearless, they said that they will be selling standing and other non-vanity items for Arum. CCP WAS READY AT THE EXPANSION TO SELL Scorpions (or don't you remember that) They removed it from the expansion because of the stink we raised and they said they couldn't add a mechanic that a scorpion ship would be a required material to buy it from the cash shop. (now that I think of it, did they actually remove it or just not make it an option right now?) I have been playing this game for almost 4 years now and this would have been UNTHINKABLE for me to think before. Now? Not only do I think it, I KNOW it is coming and I am SAYING its coming. I pray that they prove me wrong. Unsubbing my 3 accounts is the only thing I can do as a paying customer since I quote Hilmar, "I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" SO what did I do? I will let my 3 accounts lapse. I pray I am wrong, but I really doubt it.
Players have totally LOST faith and loyalty in CCP. My faith in CCP might return SoonÖ but I doubt it. |
QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:20:00 -
[2753]
Lately I have been looking over many of CCPs answers to our questions, mainly about the price of things, in the forums. The most common one I have seen is that in real life, you pay large amounts of money for designer clothes. Well this may be true, however we dont pay more than the cost of infantry armor.
Go back and look at your own dust 514 video. It shows the price of infantry armor, designed to deflect or stop bullets and absorb impacts and explosions, to be 375k. Are you telling me that infantry armor is CHEAPER than designer clothes in the real world as well?
Just food for thought.
Also, since the Aegis infantry armor only cost 375k, I would like to wear it in station to help protect against idiots with guns.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:23:00 -
[2754]
I was telling my wife about this MT for non-vanity items, essentially explaining Pay 2 Win, and she asked me, "and still paying a monthly subscription?"
"That's like Walmart charging an entrance fee so that you can have the privilege of buying stuff at their store."
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:29:00 -
[2755]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I was telling my wife about this MT for non-vanity items, essentially explaining Pay 2 Win, and she asked me, "and still paying a monthly subscription?"
"That's like Walmart charging an entrance fee so that you can have the privilege of buying stuff at their store."
Or like a strip club making you pay a cover charge even though lap dan... oh wait.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:30:00 -
[2756]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 14:30:54
Originally by: Belloche On 6/24/10 we were told point blank that CCP had no plans to introduce ANY type of MT whatsoever. Now we have the NEX shop. Thats a 180 degree turn around. Being as it takes '18 months' for CCP to fix/do anything were they lying then? Will you or I actually believe them now if they say there will not be any non-vanity items in the nex shop in the future? I won't, especially since I saw what was discussed in the Fearless newsletter and that Hilmar specifically said, "We have communicated our intention here INTERNALLY in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our FEARLESS NEWSLETTER, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone." HIS words, not mine. It comes as a surprise to us since it wasn't done EXTERNALLY. (note that I put his important words in all caps) If we are to believe that "the newsletter doesn't represent the values of CCP" spin, then Hilmar contradicts that in his GLOBAL MASS MAIL. Do we believe a dev or the CEO?
In Fearless, they said that they will be selling standing and other non-vanity items for Arum. CCP WAS READY AT THE EXPANSION TO SELL Scorpions (or don't you remember that) They removed it from the expansion because of the stink we raised and they said they couldn't add a mechanic that a scorpion ship would be a required material to buy it from the cash shop. (now that I think of it, did they actually remove it or just not make it an option right now?) I have been playing this game for almost 4 years now and this would have been UNTHINKABLE for me to think before. Now? Not only do I think it, I KNOW it is coming and I am SAYING its coming. I pray that they prove me wrong. Unsubbing my 3 accounts is the only thing I can do as a paying customer since I quote Hilmar, "I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" SO what did I do? I will let my 3 accounts lapse. I pray I am wrong, but I really doubt it.
Great post! I believe the final verdict on Scorp was "Righto so everyones cool with that? What you mean problem? Ahh we'll put it in as a trial. Gotta run!" - paraphrase CSM Minutes
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I was telling my wife about this MT for non-vanity items, essentially explaining Pay 2 Win, and she asked me, "and still paying a monthly subscription?"
"That's like Walmart charging an entrance fee so that you can have the privilege of buying stuff at their store."
I believe it's only a problem during the transition phase. Once we all leave they can go F2P/P2W.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Chaala Stone
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:31:00 -
[2757]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AObrlCf3Dcs |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:36:00 -
[2758]
Hmmmm... ugly discovery today: If you pay via gtc or plex and ever paid via CC in the past - Unsub. Letting your account expire only gets you this email: Quote: Dear X X XxXxxxx
Player XxxxXxxxx, your CreditCard account was billed on: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:14:21 GMT, in the amount of 14.95 USD. Payment ID: 14567524 (Please include with any correspondence.) Description: 1 x 1 Month EVE Subscription @ 14.95 USD = 14.95 USD TOTAL = 14.95 USD
To contact Customer Support and Services, please send an Email to: [email protected] Customer Support for EVE Online is provided via E-mail 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We do not provide phone support for EVE Online. For general information about EVE, the Customer Support Knowledgebase is available here: http://support.eveonline.com
Best regards, EVE Online Customer Support
So, you can't just let your account expire as CCP will automatically bill you. No worries though, I'm going to be on the phone to have the charges reversed forthwith.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Dix Tarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:41:00 -
[2759]
+2 accounts cancelled
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:47:00 -
[2760]
Originally by: Orkasm Its been 2 days CCP, Where is your reply?
Many pages back and I believe in this thread, but it might have been in a different one, a comment was made that there were only 2 CCP people there and that folks should save this until Monday...
Of course that's not a verbatim quote because I've read through too many blogs and posts and pages since I saw it, but I do remember seeing it. :)
o/ K.S.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:51:00 -
[2761]
Edited by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath on 26/06/2011 14:56:04
Originally by: Shar Tegral
"That's like Walmart charging an entrance fee so that you can have the privilege of buying stuff at their store."
They do* that already to be honest.. it's called "Sam's Club"
o/ K.S.
*edit: typo
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:56:00 -
[2762]
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: Orkasm Its been 2 days CCP, Where is your reply?
Many pages back and I believe in this thread, but it might have been in a different one, a comment was made that there were only 2 CCP people there and that folks should save this until Monday...
Of course that's not a verbatim quote because I've read through too many blogs and posts and pages since I saw it, but I do remember seeing it. :)
o/ K.S.
No phones in Iceland?
Maybe CCP is going to let the CSM decide where it can and can't make money. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Harpalyce Dynameos
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:56:00 -
[2763]
The more I think about it the more I agree
Quote: Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions.
This alone should guarantee everything that comes out in our EVE is and always will be free, but nope, I remember the fiasco with EVE Voice, besides being a redundant system it was BS to pay for. Remaps for PLEX? Besides being game breaking it should have never been brought up. Ship fittings? The ****? You want us to pay for bookmarks too? Especially since in it's earlier form there was no ****ing limit to fittings. NeX? Now I can (you conspiracy theorists, I know I don't have to buy it) pay for new features of my Carbon Character Creator, inside my EVE, which should be free? What's different from drawing the line earlier? You could have charged for the sunglasses, scars, and tattoos, oh did I just give you a stiffy CCP?
This is all a load and I'm getting fed up with this CCP. Maybe you should HTFU and stand back and remember what your creation was because it's getting far from it and not in a good way.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:06:00 -
[2764]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
No phones in Iceland?
HAHAHAHA without a doubt there are, but whether anyone's "answering" them or not is a different matter...
o/ K.S.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:18:00 -
[2765]
for those of you that still dont understand the gripe I refer you back to the dev blog http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815 dated 2010.11.22 16:29:14 You've probably all seen or heard about the changes that hit the test server last month where you could buy a neural remap (redistribution of attributes) with a PLEX. The ensuing community discussion and a whole heap of Council of Stellar Management discussions we had, both during their visit to CCP earlier in October and, through the magic of the internet, has led us to revisit that specific change and helped us form a holistic strategy for virtual goods sales moving forward. Phew, that was a long sentence. There are two things we want to communicate in this blog, in response to all the discussion that's been going on: First, we've decided to shelve all the changes to neural remaps we had planned. We now have no plans to change things from the way they are currently on Tranquility. No PLEX for remaps, no ISK for remaps, nothing. All code has been reverted, no new code has been written. Nothing will change.
Second, we wanted to explain our thinking a little more. Itæs always been the intent of CCP to continue diversifying EVE Online's business model and weæve been looking at various options to do so. This started with the introduction of PLEX, which was an innovative way for players to exchange in-game assets for subscription on a fully player driven marketplace. Since we introduced the PLEX item we've monitored its trading, price and velocity closely. It's now time for us to take the next evolutionary step.
Itæs clear that itæs the will of the community to keep virtual goods sales outside the spectrum of what we classify as the "merit economy". That refers to skills gained over time or items that have a gameplay impact. So after discussions, designs, brainstorming and all sorts of processes weæve come up with a strategy that weæve already polished with the help of the CSM and would now want to present to the larger community.
Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
Itæs important to clarify that virtual goods sales isnæt an arbitrary - or particularly greedy - decision. There is a constantly decreasing number of MMOæs out there that donæt incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out. Diversifying the business model allows us to offer our players the services and features they desire in ways that are conducive to how they wish to spend their entertainment dollars. The result is that we provide a wider range of options to our subscribers which, in turn, leaves us better positioned to react to future seismic shifts in the market.
If we donæt react to the wishes of the market we will simply become the dinosaurs of the industry. And everyone knows what happens to dinosaurs. God makes them disappear. Through MAGIC.
CCP Zulu then the leaked memo comes out greed is good that seems like ccp is going back on their promise in this memo then the bash : thinking we are mad over clothes so the question is asked time and time again WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO "SAY IT AINT SO JOE " finally the second leaked : wait em out hilmar and the stonewalling goes on thus speaking volumes 7 accounts unsubbed by me until a proper response is given
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Markius Proxim
Deadspace Knights Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:28:00 -
[2766]
Upgrade Character Models, Take away cool outfits..
Now charge us for cool outfits.
EVE's culture has always been about free upgrades if you pay your monthly fees. Eve's culture is NOT about paying for shiny upgrades. Sorry CCP but we told you through our elected representatives it was a ****ty idea, i don't know why you are so shocked.
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Blackjack Turner
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:35:00 -
[2767]
CCP tries to tell us that we will look cool with a monocle that costs as much as a dreadnought. Seriously? Game wise I can get implants for a few million isk. Why am I going to spend money for this item? People will look at me with my dred priced monocle and wonder wtf I spent all that money on that silly item, not how cool I am. Where I live $1000 jeans just tell people I have more money than good sense. I do believe that the items should be a tad on the expensive side to make them "cool" and to impart a bit of exclusive ownership, but this pricing is ludicrous.
Hopefully CCP will soon realize this and put more items up that are a whole lot less than what they currently offer. Lower prices = more sales. |
Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:47:00 -
[2768]
On Twitter
ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet 1 hour ago
So it took him 1.000.000 views, 350+ pages and 10.000+ posts for a reply. You Sir are awesome, I'd make love to you if I was gay... Actually you can bend over. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=355
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Lakuma
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:49:00 -
[2769]
This thread is almost 100 pages too...
Add that to the Threadtitan (it evolved at 300 apparently) and that's over 400 pages.
Keep up the Theadtitan - 400 pages and we can certifiably call it the Threadpocalypse of EVE Online! The Thread to end all Threads! (Seriously if this shuts down CCP...that'd actually be true...hehe)
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Innominate
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:49:00 -
[2770]
Originally by: Angeliq
ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet 1 hour ago
I'm expecting some variation on "We only hit you because we love you."
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BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:50:00 -
[2771]
I've been playing this game since 2005, and I never had cause to even log into the forums until now.
I have never seen such atrocious handling of a public relations issue as this one right here.
CCP are keeping quiet, and backtracking with every single word they say. I've never seen them stumble and make fools of themselves like this in all the time I've been around. It's painful to watch; this is all if we ignore the fact that what they're planning to implement is potentially game-breaking. I can't fathom why they don't just stop mucking around and tell the community:
- What the original plan was,
- That they made a terrible mistake, as appropriate and apologise,
- What they're going to do to make it right and make a pledge so that this never happens again.
To add insult to injury, Zulu's blog was nothing short of patronising and irrelevant, and belies genuine incompetence and an inkling of disdain when it comes to dealing with mass inquiries by the playerbase. I'm not unsubscribing now, because I've come back from a hiatus for this expansion but if the new arbitrary currency CCP have decided to make up (a bogus move in any world economy) starts to go south, then I will too.
I also used to be a big TF2 player, but I've gradually watched that game crash and burn as valve have done exactly as CCP are doing to EVE now, by adding microtransactions and needless features conjured out of thin air for nothing more than a quick buck and a slice off the top. Being able to do anything is what this game has going for it; don't make an elitist caste out of us. It's not fair. I dread the day when we all start to get hats...that was when I left TF2, and I'm nearly at that line with EVE as are thousands of other players with pointers hovering over the 'unsub' button.
Be straight with us and we can sort this whole mess out. Tell us what you are going to do even if you're going to ignore what it is we actually want. Every single one of us is a paying customer. We make your game, and we at least deserve your honesty.
Thanks for reading, Beau ------------------------------------------------
-={Court Jester to the Mentally Incapacitated}=-
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Darikkon Minthis
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:56:00 -
[2772]
I have in general not had any major problems with any of the issues addressed in the Dev blog. I honestly fully agree with what was said about the MT. My problem is what was not said.
Lets take that same analogy used with the jeans and apply it to ships. I have my ship bought with isk, the $50 ship (from my game subscription costs) and another person has their $100 ship from MT. Their ship may be better and look cooler, but I am expressing myself by not having it. Just like the current MT, I don't have to take part in that whole section of the game.
Now I really hope the MT never goes that far, but you can always use the excuse that you can choose not to take part in a section of the game. It's like opening a can of worms simlilar to when Congress decided that 'implied' powers of the constitution do apply...
Anyway, I understand CCP needs money right now, and honestly MT may be a great way to get it. But as I said, I never disagreed with the current state of MT. My problem is with many of the other things CCP has been doing.
I'm starting to feel like the MT thing is a smokescreen to downplay some of the other changes to the game. Things such as lowered functionality while in station, the underwhelming release of incarna, which while smooth contains very little of the promised content, and the developer fees.
Functionality in station is mostly just a GUI fix, that should not be to difficult. The underwhelming release of Incarna can be fixed with future releases, I just wish you had held off the release date till it was in better shape. Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, most players would rather a release date be pushed back than get a lesser product. The developer fees can be lowered to maybe 10 dollars, since I understand you want to use the fees to track usage.
Honestly, asides from the hurt feelings, and the sting of feeling lied to, everything is fixable from my standpoint. I just hope that CCP will listen to the more important points than everyone raising hell about vanity MT.
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Jedi GrandMaster
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Posted - 2011.06.26 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jedi GrandMaster on 26/06/2011 15:58:16 Disgusting.
U want to talk about jeans? And costs? Then compare that to vanity items?
Let me point out some basic facts to u.
1. Jeans are real. At $1000 i expect them to be dyed with unicorn tears, hand stiched by Rumpelstiltskin, delivered by helicopter, by Arnie, and have $950 stiched into the seams.
2. Jeans existing in real life have a cost of production fixed cost plus marginal costs. The fixed costs being the design, the machinery, the premises etc, etc, the marginal costs being the additional cost of producing more units, materials, labour costs, etc, etc. A pixelated monocle has only fixed costs not marginal costs to any great degree, so u are trying to compare apples with pears.
The rest of the blog does not address the concerns of the playerbase and seems willfully fuzzy coupled with a large bowl of crocodile tears. Really is this honestly the best u can do? Cause quite honestly it comes across as condescending, irrational, self important and sadly tradic, try better, try harder cause apparently u care more.
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Anna Sofia
Lagavullin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:01:00 -
[2774]
Nobody is ever going to read this post, but after playing this game sine 05 I feel that I have to write a reply to what I feel is one of the more insulting pieces of drivel I've read in a good while.
Quote: While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and ****storm being pointed at them.
Fair enough, no need to call out individuals. However - we're your paying customers. This ****storm is caused by ccp. CCP understood perfectly well (as documented in your internal newsletter), that this would cause exactly what happened.
Quote: Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50?
Dude... What made you think that it was a good idea to write this? My hobbies include photography and eve, guess which one of theese I'm willing to spend money on improving my equipment.
Quote: What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?
my guess is "what a tool".
Quote: Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.
ok, I'll let you think of me as a quitter.
Quote: I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having.
Well it cleared up a bit. I'll hopefullt be able to keep looking at the door until my subcriptions runs out I guess.
I've always loved this game, but I'm not gonna wish you "good luck" this time around.
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Playing Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:06:00 -
[2775]
Originally by: Angeliq On Twitter
ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet 1 hour ago
So it took him 1.000.000 views, 350+ pages and 10.000+ posts for a reply. You Sir are awesome, I'd make love to you if I was gay... Actually you can bend over. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=355
It sounds like sarcasm to me. I'm now expecting a blog post that "explains corporate values, "describes the difficult decision making process," and then says "if you don't like our decisions or direction, then you are correct to unsub."
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WisdomPanda
Goatriders Horde The Scapegoats
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 -
[2776]
And people thought the anom nerf was a major **** storm! ----- Cheesecake, Natures ultimate weapon.
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andymark
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:23:00 -
[2777]
Am a 2003 character and have another one as well that I have paid approximately ú25 (UK money) a month for almost 6 years. That is ú1800 for those that can't count. Given Iceland's recent history and CCP's apparent disdain for the monthly subscriptions am just trying to help here. Up to now I have just gone with the flow. Have no idea how to use a jump bridge and every time I go near 0.0 I die. But I don't complain, I just do a few more missions or make and sell some modules and then buy some more ships. I don't care if am stitched up within the rules of the game and lose another billion isk ship - just accept it and get on. However, if I am killed by someone who has bought his skills or his ships with RL money then that will be that. If CCP have overextended themselves with mismanagement or ambitions elsewhere that is not my problem - they should only be using my money to enhance my game and if that does not work then fold it all up and go bust like the rest of Iceland. Am not wanting to pay their national debt as well as the UK's.
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Seline Okaski
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 -
[2778]
I have been busily reading all of the various threads (God, it is hard to keep up) and I am simply amazed. Way to go Eve community!
The one thing in the dev blog I cannot agree with is Zulu's point about the Greed is Good document:
Quote: The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
Right.
And yet, in big bold words on page 8, it states at the beginning of the article:
Quote: CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales model for its game products. While this model has always been intended for World of Darkness and DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new strategy unfold in Incarna?
Does that REALLY sound like an opinion piece used to banter the pros/cons of an argument?
Combine that with this wonderful comment on page 9:
Quote: Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.
I wonder where we get the idea that you are moving beyond vanity items, hmm?
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Van Flegg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:34:00 -
[2779]
Originally by: Angeliq On Twitter
ArnarHrafn Arnar Hrafn Gylfason writing another blog, now with 100% more love in it #eveonline #tweetfleet 1 hour ago
Wait, so what's 100% of 0?
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Vilar Diin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:37:00 -
[2780]
Originally by: BeauChaotica I've been playing this game since 2005, and I never had cause to even log into the forums until now.
I have never seen such atrocious handling of a public relations issue as this one right here.
CCP are keeping quiet, and backtracking with every single word they say. I've never seen them stumble and make fools of themselves like this in all the time I've been around. It's painful to watch; this is all if we ignore the fact that what they're planning to implement is potentially game-breaking. I can't fathom why they don't just stop mucking around and tell the community:
- What the original plan was,
- That they made a terrible mistake, as appropriate and apologise,
- What they're going to do to make it right and make a pledge so that this never happens again.
To add insult to injury, Zulu's blog was nothing short of patronising and irrelevant, and belies genuine incompetence and an inkling of disdain when it comes to dealing with mass inquiries by the playerbase. I'm not unsubscribing now, because I've come back from a hiatus for this expansion but if the new arbitrary currency CCP have decided to make up (a bogus move in any world economy) starts to go south, then I will too.
I also used to be a big TF2 player, but I've gradually watched that game crash and burn as valve have done exactly as CCP are doing to EVE now, by adding microtransactions and needless features conjured out of thin air for nothing more than a quick buck and a slice off the top. Being able to do anything is what this game has going for it; don't make an elitist caste out of us. It's not fair. I dread the day when we all start to get hats...that was when I left TF2, and I'm nearly at that line with EVE as are thousands of other players with pointers hovering over the 'unsub' button.
Be straight with us and we can sort this whole mess out. Tell us what you are going to do even if you're going to ignore what it is we actually want. Every single one of us is a paying customer. We make your game, and we at least deserve your honesty.
Thanks for reading, Beau
Well said. Thanks fo taking the time to write this
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Cindice
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:41:00 -
[2781]
1. The turrets are cool but the icons are hard to tell what they are and you can't see them half the time next to your target. 2. You can take CQ and give me back my ship view. 3. the prices in the NeX are ridiculous. Why should I pay more than a months game time for a pair of pants or a shirt. I shouldn't have to pay anything for items in a game I already pay for.
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SALYNDRIIA
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:46:00 -
[2782]
Dear CCP,
While it is well known that my diplomacy skills are minimaly trained. I seem to get poded and forget to upgrade my clone and am reset to zero diplomacy skills, I'm gonna give it a try here.
Yes you do own the game and have every right to seek out monetary gain for the good of the company and future endeavors of the game, We, the community feel you're taking it a bit far for these reasons and more;
We pay a subscription fee to enjoy "ALL" content of the game. We already buy stuff from the EVE STORE We buy additional PLEX for the purpose of having extra ISK to afford certain in game items, gambling sites,pilot bazaar, et cetera. For the most part "WE" are practicle people, and don't care for "FLASHY" stuff, but if we happen upon something nice... occasionally we put it to use. Alot of us have multiple subscriptions... so in truth, "OUR community" really isn't that big. WE LIKE IT THAT WAY... IT KEEPS OUT THE UNDESIRABLES
Alot of people love this game for what it is, we enjoy the harsh void of space... danger lurking behind every jumpgate, the thrill of the hunt... and for some of us, it's the industrial side, and dull hum of humping rocks.
We don't want flashy, we don't want the easy way out that the majority of games give... if we did, we wouldn't be here. We pride ourselves on the harshness of the learning curve. If you're game is going in the direction we think it is... you're taking all that away from us.
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Carniflex
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:02:00 -
[2783]
Well ... I lost my faith in CCP competence with the 180 degree direction change with their vision of null sec two weeks after fanfest out of thin air. It turned past 18 months of null sec empire building into **** overnight and convinced me that long term dedication and effort might not be worth it as some dev can just nuke it overnight bcos "hey its easy to do and it will increase combat, lulz". I still dont see that increased combat tbh. All I see is more missionrunners in empire and deserted systems.
I'll stick around for a while more as I have 6 years of my life invested in this game but at the moment I dont see the CCP doing the moves it would take to regain my lost faith.
Anyway - the day you can buy an item that gets you in game advantage over fellow pilot with a microstransaction is the day I'm walking out permanently. I can live with fancy hats or custom paintjobs, but I do not play such games where the winner is decided by the size of ones RL wallet on principle.
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Akiriy Azuriko
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:15:00 -
[2784]
:D im going to go play minecraft bye bye eve
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Akiriy Azuriko
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:17:00 -
[2785]
The Failcascade to end all failcascade
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Photon Ceray
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:18:00 -
[2786]
CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!
Greed is NOOOOOT good!
What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.
A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.
In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.
Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose then and you go bankrupt.
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Sally Cynocyde
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:31:00 -
[2787]
So, I heard this interesting tidbit about Sony Online Entertainment coming on board? When is that happening?
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Ishanmae
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:31:00 -
[2788]
Edited by: Ishanmae on 26/06/2011 17:31:40 I've kept thinking all along that a nice explanation and somewhat of an apology was coming...
The explanation given in this blog, I could have drafted myself, the reasons presented were clear to all who activated their brains before their trolling abilities.
Now, the issues I would have deemed worth addressing are pretty well summed up in : http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
CCP... your game is aimed at above average intelligence players, not to the stupid crowds out there, for whom tab to the target and mash your shortcuts is all that's needed to keep them entertained.
Please respect us enough to give us a real answer, rather than this.
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Photon Ceray
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:32:00 -
[2789]
CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!
Greed is NOOOOOT good!
What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.
A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.
In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.
Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose them and you go bankrupt.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:43:00 -
[2790]
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?
WeÆve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.
http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:48:00 -
[2791]
Originally by: Angeliq
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?
WeÆve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.
http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/
game over eve
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:48:00 -
[2792]
Originally by: Angeliq SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?[/RED][/H2]
WeÆve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.
http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/
please dont post misinformation by linking to garbage sites
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:56:00 -
[2793]
Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Angeliq SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?[/RED][/H2]
WeÆve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.
http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/
please dont post misinformation by linking to garbage sites
It apears that sources inside CCP confirmed this info and if you put the pieces all together, it makes sense.
THO CCP Fallout on Twitter: i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet
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Akiriy Azuriko
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:57:00 -
[2794]
Originally by: Photon Ceray CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!
Greed is NOOOOOT good!
What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.
A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.
In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.
Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose then and you go bankrupt.
i love this guy +_+
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Donna Domino
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:02:00 -
[2795]
Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Angeliq SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT TO ACQUIRE CCP GAMES?[/RED][/H2]
WeÆve recieved the following inside information by a CCP source who has asked to remain anonymous: SONY and CCP are in talks of having SONY become a major partner, or even a controlling partner, in CCP, via stock acquisition.
http://www.eve-news.com/2011/06/26/sony-online-entertainment-acquire-ccp-games/
please dont post misinformation by linking to garbage sites
eve-news has been a not entirely inaccurate source of information. They certainly have 1000x as much credibility as you. What stories about eve have you broken before anyone else? Links, references, dates please. |
Jofeder
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:04:00 -
[2796]
Originally by: Akiriy Azuriko
Originally by: Photon Ceray CCP, it's time you understand that eve community players are NOT idiots you can easily rip off!
Greed is NOOOOOT good!
What greed got you now is losing all the credibility that you have built, screwed and rebuild over the years.
A large number of players have already cancelled, and many won't renew, most are hoping, just hoping that you'd get your senses back.
In order to redeem yourself, not only will you have to scrap your pay to win idea, but you'll have to offer a big token to make it up to your customers. for example, all the BS Nex goods should be put on the normal market, not micro transactions.
Don't let it get into your head that you're a big company and you decide how you make your game, the real power holders are the customers paying for your product. lose then and you go bankrupt.
i love this guy +_+
+1
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Xii ChenShi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:07:00 -
[2797]
... soooo, this look like it's gearing up to be a f2p / item mall game. what a waste.
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BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:17:00 -
[2798]
Originally by: Angeliq THO CCP Fallout on Twitter: i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet
So that means pretty much nothing. Why have CCP employees suddenly become politicians and spin doctors? Is it just because I'm only paying close attention to what they say now they've screwed up? ------------------------------------------------
-={Court Jester to the Mentally Incapacitated}=-
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Wordle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:24:00 -
[2799]
Originally by: BeauChaotica
Originally by: Angeliq THO CCP Fallout on Twitter: i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet
So that means pretty much nothing. Why have CCP employees suddenly become politicians and spin doctors? Is it just because I'm only paying close attention to what they say now they've screwed up?
CCP's trust with their players has been compromised. Why believe anything they say now?
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BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:26:00 -
[2800]
Originally by: Wordle
Originally by: BeauChaotica
Originally by: Angeliq THO CCP Fallout on Twitter: i can confirm that SOE has not purchased, nor are we discussing a buyout, of CCP. #eveonline #tweetfleet
So that means pretty much nothing. Why have CCP employees suddenly become politicians and spin doctors? Is it just because I'm only paying close attention to what they say now they've screwed up?
CCP's trust with their players has been compromised. Why believe anything they say now?
Exactly. What he said there was Sony haven't bought them (which is true, obviously) and that they're not discussing a complete buyout, which nobody ever said they were.
Neither of those are statements which dispell anything we thought beforehand. They're statements crafted carefully to give the impression that nothing's going on. ------------------------------------------------
-={Court Jester to the Mentally Incapacitated}=-
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Darik Jita
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:26:00 -
[2801]
To CCP Zulu: "Not cool"? HTFU.
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takkorii
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:29:00 -
[2802]
Goodbye CCP/EVE... you just lost sov., sbu'z have been deployed.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 -
[2803]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: Orkasm Its been 2 days CCP, Where is your reply?
Many pages back and I believe in this thread, but it might have been in a different one, a comment was made that there were only 2 CCP people there and that folks should save this until Monday...
Of course that's not a verbatim quote because I've read through too many blogs and posts and pages since I saw it, but I do remember seeing it. :)
o/ K.S.
No phones in Iceland?
Maybe CCP is going to let the CSM decide where it can and can't make money. :-)
They lost em during the t20 incident when no member of senior staff could be reached because of being on vacation.....
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Cain Anung
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 -
[2804]
Sweet Jebus The drama and inuendo of this is reaching epic proportions. So pardon my swahili: ITS A SODDING GAME!
Ofcourse there will be some serious thinking going on, at CCP. But I wont beleive they have the intention to ruin the game. Thats just illogical. That said, they made a giant "turd in the sandbox". Now they should concentrate on scooping it up. Lets at least give them the time to do that. On the Sony-topic: Maybe it would be a good thing, to have SonyŠs Proffesionals, take over the management of CCP, on the administrative level. Then the CCPŠs can concentrate on making the game better, instead of finding more funds, for their enormous ambitions. And to the more aggressive and personal responders. Seriously: Calm the *bip* down, fellas. If you shout at the waiter, youll get a little present in your meal. Its counter-productive, to keep making conspiracies, of a dubious nature. Kind Regards
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Xii ChenShi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:43:00 -
[2805]
Originally by: Cain Anung Sweet Jebus The drama and inuendo of this is reaching epic proportions. So pardon my swahili: ITS A SODDING GAME!
Ofcourse there will be some serious thinking going on, at CCP. But I wont beleive they have the intention to ruin the game. Thats just illogical. That said, they made a giant "turd in the sandbox". Now they should concentrate on scooping it up. Lets at least give them the time to do that. On the Sony-topic: Maybe it would be a good thing, to have SonyŠs Proffesionals, take over the management of CCP, on the administrative level. Then the CCPŠs can concentrate on making the game better, instead of finding more funds, for their enormous ambitions. And to the more aggressive and personal responders. Seriously: Calm the *bip* down, fellas. If you shout at the waiter, youll get a little present in your meal. Its counter-productive, to keep making conspiracies, of a dubious nature. Kind Regards
... the waiter has already put the surprise in the meal, and got caught... thats what this is about.
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Cain Anung
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 -
[2806]
Edited by: Cain Anung on 26/06/2011 18:54:14 How do you know? It was an internal letter, for christ sake. Trust in the good devŠs at CCP to have intervened, if that prospect would have come to fruition. Internal letters always carry a more direct approach, in the lingo. Pretty common practice, in companies. If they really went through with it, then Id be just as ****ed, and would definately unsub. But imo, this whole thing keeps getting fueled by guess-work, assumptions and poor management, from CCP. That, I think, is the consensus. Im just saying: Give them a chance, and give them REAL feedback, they can actually act upon. But Id like to make it clear: I also think this CCP screwed up, in a major way. Hope to hell they can make some changes to their administration and the loyalty-issue.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:16:00 -
[2807]
OK CCP you win.
It is quite obvious you could not say "We will never sell non-vanity items".
My subs have been in cancellation status for 3 days and there is no chance that will ever change now.
I can unequivocally state that I will never put another dime into your company again.
I can also unequivocally state that I will never advise nor reccomend to anyone that they do so either.
My ranting and protest are done, you win.
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Mina Sebiestar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:44:00 -
[2808]
Came here expecting answers left disappointed good job CCP.
P.S. any tip where can i get 20%coupon on 1000$ jeans is greatly appreciated.
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:15:00 -
[2809]
Originally by: Mina Sebiestar Came here expecting answers left disappointed good job CCP.
P.S. any tip where can i get 20%coupon on 1000$ jeans is greatly appreciated.
.. in case you still haven't seen the most recent statement here is a copy/paste of it: (p.s.... don't look for any real answers)
The tone and demeanor of my blog on Friday did not correctly portray my emotions towards the community and player base at large. I love and respect EVE and its community on a level that's hard to really do justice in words. However I let my frustration take charge of me, fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days. I know that sounds ironic considering those are the exact same feelings you have been having towards CCP.
For that I am sorry.
Having cooled off a bit and taken a solemn look at the situation, I see it's clear we need to strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship. There are certain questions you want answered and there isn't room for more error in our communication on those topics or our perception of the root causes.
Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.
The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session.
However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.
Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.
Thank you for your patience,
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:18:00 -
[2810]
CCP Zuluà. The tone and demeanour of my blog on Friday à.... fuelled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days à..
(you had 2 spelling mistakes..ffs)
Umm hold on, this experiencing of breach of trust, do you mean you are emotionally broken because your board of directors went in a direction that you find distressing because it breaks the ô players are the game sandboxö or, the players actions that are manifesting on forums, across the cluster and in outside game news sources due to your arrogance towards the players?
IF the latter, what trust did we breach, trust in CCP?, you must be in DENIAL, what trust, its you who have broken your promises and betrayed the player base, the only trust u have in us is that we like your product, aka sandbox, and will pay a sum to build in it, you turn it into a litter tray, we wonŠt any more weŠll protest and leave, the only trust we had you betrayed.
I like many joined eve not because it was easy but, and this is a very important but, because it was hard, complex, unforgiving and a very long term commitment, I had a look and knew on day one that this sandbox of yours was going to occupy me what whats probably left of my life, it was who dies first, eve or me.
Eve is/was full of bright, intelligent people, it still is, the player base care more about CCP than most of your directors and major shareholders, and whats more its individual and collective intelligence far outstrips any resource CCP could ever acquire or contract on the marketplace.
We understand that CCP should have other products, we made CCP successful enough to takeover/merge with WW, we understood that WiS was the making of the ambulation and box engine for and WoD, we were more than happy to keep shoveling you cash because it was good for eve and CCP. What we did not expect as you promised it would not happen is MT in eve, yes develop the method for WoD, but introducing it into eve is CCP breaking trust with the eve community.
IF you had waited with the NeX until Dust was in Beta it would have been an excellent way to pay for planetary ops, but you went and made a derivatives engine that evaporates a company liability, aka PLEX.
You donŠt understand, your games company has turned into a short term cash grab machine, those investors who we were told were games players gave what we now know was only an illusion of trust that they thought like we did, however it turns out that their games have us as their pixels and they donŠt give a **** about us, you, or your grandmothers, all they crave is money and power, they donŠt respect you they never have.
P.S. I have just used a PLEX to reactivate my account so I could post this, I did you a favor, I decreased your liability, you have 29 days to explain where the company is going, the players are your product more so than the game, you guys seem to have forgotten that.
P.P.S, i log in and find a bot in system that iŠm going to have to pop days after i reported it, just send a GM to test them, them pop them back into a clone vat, or u jelli ...... continues overleaf. |
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Iackus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:30:00 -
[2811]
Alright, I'm tired of people using WE, I'm really starting to hate that word, none of you speak for the entirety of the game community, none of you, so stop acting like you do, I for one am still perfectly happy with playing EVE and will continue to do so, overreacting to leaked INTERNAL newsletters and e-mails is idiotic as they are just that. Zulu even said that it was meant to be exaggerated and brought out so a logical player reaction could be expected, and as the e-mail states, the reaction to this is nothing short of exactly that, expected. But I digress, you idiotic protesters, stop talking and acting like you represent the entirety of the community, because you don't.
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Mina Sebiestar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:37:00 -
[2812]
Edited by: Mina Sebiestar on 26/06/2011 20:36:51 ^you need tissue or something?
glass of water maybe?
geez.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:46:00 -
[2813]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo ... this experiencing of breach of trust, do you mean you are emotionally broken because your board of directors went in a direction that you find distressing because it breaks the ô players are the game sandboxö or, the players actions that are manifesting on forums, across the cluster and in outside game news sources due to your arrogance towards the players? ...
Or, just perhaps, he feels that someone inside CCP fired a couple of Citadel Torpedoes when "Fearless" and the email from Hilmar were leaked. That was one hell of a breach of trust.
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:48:00 -
[2814]
Originally by: Danly Steel Hey, I'm struttin' right now. Got my $1K jeans on, got my monocle in position, got my . . . um . . . got my ship hung up on a mission acceleration gate and can't warp because stupid physics are less important than monocles to CCP. How can a spaceship get hung up on asteroids and gates?--maybe the pricey jeans pockets are catching something.
Remember, mates. In space, no one can hear your jeans.
Well played sir, well played. I'm ROFLMAO.
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:56:00 -
[2815]
Originally by: Iackus Alright, I'm tired of people using WE, I'm really starting to hate that word, none of you speak for the entirety of the game community, none of you, so stop acting like you do, I for one am still perfectly happy with playing EVE and will continue to do so, overreacting to leaked INTERNAL newsletters and e-mails is idiotic as they are just that. Zulu even said that it was meant to be exaggerated and brought out so a logical player reaction could be expected, and as the e-mail states, the reaction to this is nothing short of exactly that, expected. But I digress, you idiotic protesters, stop talking and acting like you represent the entirety of the community, because you don't.
We... oops... I apologize for using the word 'we'. 'We', in this case, represents the majority view and is by no means meant to infer that all pod pilots feel the same way. 'We' are happy you brought this to 'our' attention and 'we' will try to refrain from hurting your delicate sensibilities by using the word 'we' to represent the majority player view on this topic.
'We' now return you to your crib with the other uneducated babies and hope that this is an acceptable compromise for the fact that 'we' shall continue to refer to the majority player view as 'we'. Thank you for your understanding.
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Wordle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:10:00 -
[2816]
Originally by: Iackus Alright, I'm tired of people using WE, I'm really starting to hate that word, none of you speak for the entirety of the game community, none of you, so stop acting like you do, I for one am still perfectly happy with playing EVE and will continue to do so, overreacting to leaked INTERNAL newsletters and e-mails is idiotic as they are just that. Zulu even said that it was meant to be exaggerated and brought out so a logical player reaction could be expected, and as the e-mail states, the reaction to this is nothing short of exactly that, expected. But I digress, you idiotic protesters, stop talking and acting like you represent the entirety of the community, because you don't.
Go back to World of Warcraft, seriously.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:13:00 -
[2817]
Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:14:12
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
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Draconian Arcane
Bastards Of New Eden Damned Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:26:00 -
[2818]
CCP Zulu,
The Lonely Island wants to punch your $1k jeans...
The Lonely Island - Punch you in the jeans
-= Fail Whale =- FTW
[url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/view/player-Draconian%20Arcane-kills.html][img]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,Draconian%20Arcane/tpl,minmatar3/signature.pn |
Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:36:00 -
[2819]
Originally by: Mintala Arana
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo ... this experiencing of breach of trust, do you mean you are emotionally broken because your board of directors went in a direction that you find distressing because it breaks the ô players are the game sandboxö or, the players actions that are manifesting on forums, across the cluster and in outside game news sources due to your arrogance towards the players? ...
Or, just perhaps, he feels that someone inside CCP fired a couple of Citadel Torpedoes when "Fearless" and the email from Hilmar were leaked. That was one hell of a breach of trust.
yeah, but that trust was forfeit when they decided to LIE to the customer base (its fraud) so it was waiting to happen... the Hilmar email is legit which reinforces the opinions for discussion in greed is good are actual company policy that they are implementing. Players are too smart to not understand that, no bull**** can cover it up, so many players have far more business experience and see thru the cover up that it was a discussion document, fools we are not. Whoever leaked the stuff did CCP a favour, it burst the bubble and probably will save the company.
IF he did really care his upset would be with the board, eve runs at a profit a very healthy profit, they just put that and his and 700 peoples job at risk by misrepresenting the companies direction and revenue model for eve. ...... continues overleaf. |
Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:45:00 -
[2820]
all I read was a high long paragraph that could have had a tl;dr "mt are happening, an the newsletter was false, deal with the fkin prices. "
So you want to shower us with sh!te, how about a direct fuk you from yours truly, Gibbo.
Customer comes first, that motor obviously died around the office a long time ago
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Void Silverspar
Nephite Rangers Zero Hour Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:54:00 -
[2821]
I don't post much on the forums, I don't have heaps of free time, and when I do have free time, I'd rather play EVE.
In early 2008, a friend showed me EVE online. I was so impressed, I replaced my decrepit PC with one that could play EVE. The day my new PC arrived, I started my capsuleer career with this character. I pretty much stopped playing all the other games that I was playing before. Some of which were free, some of which were funded by microtransactions (and I occasionally purchased items in these games to be competitive).
I've spent a lot of time over the last 3 years developing characters, earning ISK and making friends. I'm married with kids. The economy sucks, and we're on a tight budget. But part of that budget includes EVE.
I'm underwhelmed by the last patch, but the only thing that brought me here to post is this: If you blow my ship up because you have better skills, tactics or knowledge, that's great, I learn from my loss and come back. If you blow up my ship because you spent more RL money than me, and have an advantage that's not available to me with my RL budget. Then I'm not interested in devoting any more time to this game.
As of now, the silence from CCP is deafening. CCP has made some great decisions, and some bad decisions, and I've seen drama ensue following their decisions before. I've never gotten angry or threatened to unsubscribe during any of the drama. Overall, the game is still great. See my point above.
As of yesterday, I unsubscribed and I'll just see what happens before my account shuts down. (No, you can't have my stuff, I already know who's getting it.) Hopefully during the next week, CCP can answer the question posted repeatedly in this thread to my satisfaction. "Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?"
Sadly, after 3 years of playing whenever I can, I haven't even felt like logging on and playing today.
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Iackus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:58:00 -
[2822]
Sure, if you nerdragers go back to TF2.
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Blu3Jay
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:08:00 -
[2823]
Originally by: OldPueblo I am outraged about all of this stuff in this thread that everyone is talking about. I have made a protest video please take the time to view it CCP and protesting brothers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dLsyE8Fvc
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Alexis Aaryan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:08:00 -
[2824]
Originally by: OldPueblo I am outraged about all of this stuff in this thread that everyone is talking about. I have made a protest video please take the time to view it CCP and protesting brothers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dLsyE8Fvc
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Joker Deville
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:09:00 -
[2825]
Originally by: OldPueblo I am outraged about all of this stuff in this thread that everyone is talking about. I have made a protest video please take the time to view it CCP and protesting brothers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5dLsyE8Fvc
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Jonathan Caldar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:47:00 -
[2826]
Originally by: Angeliq Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:14:12
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
But they already have our susribtion money...
It doesnt work if you want to charge both, its just not ok, one way or another and not both, pls.
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Fernando Sanguinius
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:49:00 -
[2827]
Dear Zulu mate and Mr Hilmar
All i have to say is after checking the other MMO's out there i found out there are 1000's of EvE players joining games such as Perpetuum which even their server says "Server load issues in the last 48 hours" due to a mass move from EvE to them.
Other MMO's like Black Prophecy etc etc etc...
Now the question is do you care ? Well it is common knowledge that EvE subscribers are canceling their accounts and looking for a different MMO to play.
Eve those who are a bit more stuborn and want to alienate themselfs in Nul sec or High Sec doing missions will eventually realize most of their friends or EvE legends have left teh game for good.
So ppl from Nul get all the Sov you can get squeeze all teh Tech from those newly conquered regions...at the end...you too will realize what a waist of time your efforts were.
Hilmar you have to live with the RMT'ers and Macros ingame now cause they will be the majority of your "faithfull" subscribers who really deserve your full attention.
Bye
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ViperLok
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:12:00 -
[2828]
Can I get a vanity item request please ? Id like a CCP Money,Greed And Anti-Player Support costume.
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Sharp Wind
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:44:00 -
[2829]
Edited by: Sharp Wind on 26/06/2011 23:50:29 Eve should never become "W.O.W." in space....
Even wow did not offer stat items for coin.
I left wow once I discovered E.V.E.
You have made EVE one of, if not the best, MMORPG "ever".
I feel you are going down a dark path spiraling into oblivion. Eve has always been a level above the rest, please refrain from the 'Greed'.
Eve is a multiethnic commnunity of global cultures that has evolved into the mature, gritty and challenging universe.
The characters of Eve become who they are by way of thier own hard and dedicated efforts, not some skillpoints or items from an online store...
I am a business person in RL and I realize from exeperience that the customer 'is not' always right, BUT the customer knows what they want and will not buy something they don't.
Peace n Health,
Sharp Wind null~ The greed of gain has no time or limit to its capaciousness. Its one object is to produce and consume. It has pity neither for beautiful nature nor for living human beings. It is ruthlessly ready without a moment's hesitation to crush beauty and life out of them, molding them into money. ~ --Rabindranath Tagore--
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:20:00 -
[2830]
Originally by: CCP Zulu (via blog)
The tone and demeanor of my blog on Friday did not correctly portray my emotions towards the community and player base at large. I love and respect EVE and its community on a level that's hard to really do justice in words. However I let my frustration take charge of me, fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days. I know that sounds ironic considering those are the exact same feelings you have been having towards CCP.
For that I am sorry.
Having cooled off a bit and taken a solemn look at the situation, I see it's clear we need to strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship. There are certain questions you want answered and there isn't room for more error in our communication on those topics or our perception of the root causes.
Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.
The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session.
However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.
Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.
Thank you for your patience,
Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
CCP, Zulu, is that you?
I've been playing EVE for 2 years. Not much, I'm sure perhaps, compared to the vets, but long enough not to just quit overnight. Like many other people, I suspect, I have not been looking for an excuse to leave, but for a reason to stay. And this blog of yours may very well be it.
Personally I don't care for vanity items. Sell 52 monocles, or 5,200, I don't care. And I would probably even buy a few clothes if they were prettier, and not priced so outrageously. Yet, to get to the point, all I foremost wanted was for CCP to take its customers seriously, and to grap that P2W items, wide across the board, are a considered a big game-breaking no-no. It would appear that message has arrived. That is good enough for me, for now.
I hope you and the CSM have a fruitful meeting.
Thank you.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
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Mechatronicus Anihilus
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:43:00 -
[2831]
Yeah baby! I'm just a pinata you can beat money out of. Come on, swing that bat a little harder. I got plenty more for you. Don't be shy!
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:21:00 -
[2832]
May as well copy/pasted this devblog for the new one.
We did ask for Hilmar to explain it to us before Penn was sent out to lay down infront of the bulldozer.
Too hard to explain?
hmmm
Maybe that's because you didn't try to explain it for 3 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Sulindra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:10:00 -
[2833]
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Quote: which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions
No.
BIG NO!
Mac deployment == BIG FAIL! How many hours beyond downtime estimates did it take you to finish deployment, and then how many more hours did it take you to resolve the Mac client issues? How about it's going on 5 days. Preferences are no longer being stored and read from the preferences directory, so all my preferences are **** beyond belief. I have wasted numerous hours just getting my preferences closer to where they were.
FAIL FAIL FAIL
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Donna Domino
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:18:00 -
[2834]
ThreadnaughtGate, the Movie...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBS0OWGUidc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGt5f70K02Q&feature=related
Starring Tom Cruise as disgruntled Eve vets and Cuba Gooding Jr. as CCP.
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Sulindra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:33:00 -
[2835]
Edited by: Sulindra on 27/06/2011 02:35:25
Quote:
People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?
There is in my opinion a big difference in buying a $1000 pair of jeans (not that I ever would) and spending $65 on something that DOESN'T exist.
Usually when you buy an item that many would consider overpriced. There are a few factors. As you have stated one of them is the name brand. That name brand though usually stands for something beyond the name. It stands for quality of the product. I'm not a clothing nut, so I'll talk about something I am more familiar with, computers. I am a Mac user. I spend a considerable amount more money on my computers than many other people because I feel that I get something more when I do. I get in my opinion a better quality operating system, better customer service experience, and a better looking piece of machinery. I spent a premium to get this item, when I could very easily spend 1/2 the cost on machine that has the same specifications, but in my opinion an inferior user experience.
In the NEX store you sell items. These items have to semblance of "quality". They have nothing behind them to make them stand out as being better. They are not real, they do not give me anything in game that in my opinion makes them worth buying. They are not stylish, they very boring. If you want your toon to look like it's in the military they may get something from it, but personally I don't think a majority of the players want their characters looking like they stepped out of a 20th century military boot camp. The monicle doesn't even seem to give you any bonuses. I can't even make money with them. These are intangible items, and they are poor looking intangible items. 1 plex = 3500 AUR = 400M isk. Shirt is 3600, so a shirt is more than 400M isk, yet I can buy a Hulk for 200M isk, so a SHIRT is more than the highest level Mining ship? REALLY? I can see you making people buy AUR with plex, but your pricing is way out of realistic lines. I'll save my Plexes for my ships, I'm not buying into your poorly researched money making scheme.
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Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:32:00 -
[2836]
-2 Accounts
I'm curious, who has the hooker and ******* habit in the upper echelon that needs all this money?
CCP You have been going down hill for years. Pretty much since Dominion, when you broke the game, ignored it for 6 months, then formed the Dev team with Veritas. You have kept up the same arrogant oblivious outlook since then. **** the customers, you can always find more with your massive advertizing campaign right?
To the Devs in Iceland: I hope you are good at fishing or mining, you won't be siting in front of a computer much longer.
To the Devs in Atlanta: Thank God you live in a city with other tech jobs. Good luck finding another company that eats up incompetence like CCP does.
To the Devs in Shanghai: Good luck with Dust...lol.
To Whitewolf: **** You.
To Hilmar: How does it feel to so completely fail? All you have to do is man up and admit your avarice. Are you a man or are you just a greedy *****?
Crowd Control Productions: you were like a low class hooker that ****ed like a champ but kept giving me crabs. I'm not going to hang around so that you can give me something worse.
To your shareholders: Hahahahah **** your greed *****es.
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LordElfa
Gallente Golden Lyon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:39:00 -
[2837]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus May as well copy/pasted this devblog for the new one.
We did ask for Hilmar to explain it to us before Penn was sent out to lay down infront of the bulldozer.
Too hard to explain?
hmmm
Maybe that's because you didn't try to explain it for 3 years.
Are you trying to dissuade with your sig? I want that rifter right now.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:48:00 -
[2838]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 03:51:59
Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus May as well copy/pasted this devblog for the new one.
We did ask for Hilmar to explain it to us before Penn was sent out to lay down infront of the bulldozer.
Too hard to explain?
hmmm
Maybe that's because you didn't try to explain it for 3 years.
Are you trying to dissuade with your sig? I want that rifter right now.
Exactly. Market demand. CCP have said they will adjust MT based on player demand. Bit by bit the market will demand more.
May as well start with the features they've removed and the ones we've demanded for years.
edit: One of the best is going to be when they remove the UI colour controls and make it tinted manacles for RMT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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LordElfa
Gallente Golden Lyon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:01:00 -
[2839]
I could honestly see that happening at this point.
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Zahara Dren
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:16:00 -
[2840]
Eve Online = Farmville I really cant figure anything else to add. Its all been said a ****ing thousand times.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:16:00 -
[2841]
Edited by: Rasz Lin on 27/06/2011 04:25:53
Originally by: Angeliq Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:14:12
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
except BF:Heroes is a perfect example of a casual game, Farmville type. Its not even FPS. It has zero depth. You start the game, jump in and you play for 10 minutes, close the game. The only content in the game is watching YMCA people running around. + its F2P.
edit: Whats more, You can start playing in under 5 minutes from installing and enjoy simplified shooter with barbie dolls. It takes at least 1 month in EVE to start shooting other people in the face.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:19:00 -
[2842]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 04:19:27
Originally by: Rasz Lin except BF:Heroes is a perfect example of a casual game
As Eve will become.
Originally by: Rasz Lin It has zero depth.
As Eve will become.
Originally by: Rasz Lin its F2P.
As Eve will become.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.27 05:29:00 -
[2843]
heres a bit of the links to the bad press ccp has earned from its stone walling ...HA yeah wait us out i hope you enjoy your 52 monocles sold
http://forum.mmosite.com/thread/2/2/20100616/Top_10_Reasons_Why_MMOs_Are_Dying-4da8339c09edb1813-5.html
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-controversy-erupts-in-protests/
http://n4g.com/news/793980/eve-online-players-protest-against-microtransactions-and-monocles-lasers-involved/com
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/319384/page/1
http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/eve-online-in-game-protest/503801/?page=last
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqRgX1g0aeQ&
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/06/25/1847248/emEVE-Onlineem-Players-Rage-Protest-Over-Microtransactions
http://www.blogbookmark.com/story.php?title=eve-online-players-rage-protest-over-microtransactions
http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2011/06/riots-in-eve-against-microtransactions.html
http://muscatoxblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/eve-online-protests-continue-over.html
http://www.pcgamer.com/?p=58382
http://games.on.net/article/12887/EVE_Online_Users_In_Protest_Over_Third_Party_Development_Fees
http://beefjack.com/news/eve-online-players-riot-in-game-against-microtransactions/
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1087505
http://segmentnext.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-new-changes-lead-to-riots-and-fan-rage/?amp&
http://massively.joystiq.com/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/ccp-addresses-eve-controversies-in-new-dev-blog/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387588,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121
AUR is extortion say no to aur isk is good rl greed sucks, and again we ask
WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO "SAY IT AINT SO JOE " answer us please
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.06.27 06:22:00 -
[2844]
Originally by: Jonathan Caldar
Originally by: Angeliq Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:14:12
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
But they already have our susribtion money...
It doesnt work if you want to charge both, its just not ok, one way or another and not both, pls.
It was an interesting topic...
my take away?
I might as well go work in the real world and chase real world status symbols if it comes to the point that real world money buys the fake world status symbols.
Or I might spend my time mountain biking or playing tenis.. or online shogi etc...
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.06.27 06:35:00 -
[2845]
Its no longer a virtual world if you spend real $ to get ahead.... the line between the worlds gets just too shattered
Some people don't look at it that way and will pay more than a flat entrance ticket for their share of the bills.
Shatters the illusion for me though. Might as well posture somewhere non virtual if thats thw way its going to be.
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Thor Kavees
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:13:00 -
[2846]
Dear CCP, your not the only MMO in town. Now seem like the right time to bail out now after investing close to 2 years in my character. Rather quit now than stay and see the direction you want to take the game. So I will sent you a clear message: I AM CANCELING MY SUBSCRIPTION TODAY! Ex Longtime-Subscriber
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:42:00 -
[2847]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 07:42:49
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I might as well go work in the real world and chase real world status symbols if it comes to the point that real world money buys the fake world status symbols.
Depends who you are.
If you're 12 then those status symbols are an indication of how much money you're able to scam outta mummy and daddy.
They mean something to noobs who play DUST.
Cross-promo ftw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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tony dinozo
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 08:17:00 -
[2848]
Edited by: tony dinozo on 27/06/2011 08:17:57 How much for MonocleAnyWhere ?
Found this in forum : http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=738999
look like a never ending story ...
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:59:00 -
[2849]
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
- For those of you that think this business model can never apply to EVE
1. A business model does not mean that all the details must be exactly the same from one business to another. That's why it's called a model, a template. You need to come up with specific, personalized approaches for your own business. A business model is based on marketing, mass psychology, customer thinking patterns, habits, social behavior, statistics, etc.
2. EVE is P2P! This is not a valid argument. The numbers show that a lot of ppl already bought monocles and clothing and are willing to pay for customization and power items in NEX shop. We are in target. CCP might even try a hybrid dual-pay scheme.
3. It is possible EVE Online will go F2P. Especially if SOE will takes over. Those of you that believe CCP Fallout, it's your choice, I don't give a fck... BUUUT DUST514 for PS3 only! Hello!?! SOE has invested a lot of time (and money) in this project.
Here is John Smedley, President of SOE answering a question (full interwiew HERE) Q: So you don't think that sandboxes (and sandbox systems) are dead for SOE? Will you ever make a new sandbox with SWG's pioneering features? The answer is... stay tuned on the subject of sandboxes. We're super excited about the future of sandbox gaming. Let me just leave it at that!
4. The average age is different. Not entirely true. The average age of a BF:Heroes player is only 3-4 years younger. In the last years EVE Online became more and more dumb proof, more accessible to the younger player. This culminates with Incarna and the new player tutorial being a very appealing experience for a new (young) player.
5. The EVE Online player is not a peacck. Ofc not all players are peaccks but a very significant % are. If "you" are not a peacck, then why did "you" spent so much time on the customization of your character and why CCP had to give ppl the chance to "remodel" their characters a few times after the initial release of the new characters? Cos ppl were unhappy with their "creations", cos they care about looks, that bug was ment to be . Why do you think they gave us the "possibility" to recreate our characters as much and as many times as we want to now? Most important, the majority of EVE players are competitive, otherwise they would've chosen a different MMORPG.
6. There were no surveys. Wrong. There is the annual CCP survey, tho if I remember right, there were no questions regarding NEX Store, the questions in that survey were meant to gather info on customer behavior, addiction, alternative games we might migrate to... all kinds of "useful" information. "Dear xxxxxx, You are invited to participate in a survey being conducted by CCP...." The other "surveys" were conducted in-game by crunching numbers, statistics. For example: how much time the player spent designing and redesigning the new character model. I'm sure there are many aspects, numbers and indicators to be interpreted.
7. EVE has depth. Yes, it does but we made it like this. It can make money without all that obscure 0.0 politics, without all those well thought war plans, without any plans at all. Just a bunch of players running around popping stuff. Might be fun.
8. NEX current Prices -> Price anchoring
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Lexus L'Amour
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:28:00 -
[2850]
Zomg the world is coming to an end, a corporation is trying to make money. No no this cannot happen what is CCP thinking corporations shouldn't make money.
That is exactly what everyone sounds like, personally I find CCP's response acceptable. I hope they stick to whatever plans that they have. People need to realize that CCP has done a great job of creating and maintaining this game for the past 8 years, and will continue to do just that i am quite sure.
I personally applaud CCP for not caving to thier player bases rediculous demands, I have seen too many games destroyed by companies caving in to the players. Thank god CCP isn't stupid enough to make that game breaking mistake.
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The Wicked1
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:47:00 -
[2851]
Couldn't care less about the prices of some clothing items since this is a space ship game and in my mind I don't need a monocle to run my space affairs. Price them as much PLEX as you want I don't care.
I however care that I am forced to either use the new CQ or some rather unimpressive screenshot of a door when docking in a station. I realize that CQ is in its first iteration but frankly its ****. The controls are ****, there is no value in using it and it does not add an ounce of value to my experience of playing the game. And for the record there is no awe factor in looking at the ships floating in the hangers. My Buzzard looks way better than my Raven for instance.
And thus I have cancelled my subscription (ending 10th of July) and will not be returning until I see some actual improvement of the SPACE aspect of the game. We do not want or need more fluff in the game. We that have been playing since '03 have not been doing so because of the promise of looking at our new leather jackets in a station in a few years.
Don't take it the wrong way though, I look forward to the day when EVE is this whole space opera all-in-one science fiction experience where I can fly a spaceship, manage sov, walk in a station down a shopping street, stop at a bar and do some wagering, take a bounty hunting contract in a scummbarÖ some where, hop onto a planet and do some FPS and maybe in a station as well. But you [CCP] have to introduce these things to the player base with more information flow and explain your actions BEFORE we experience them in game. Explain why you do the things you do in an upcoming expansion. Everything you do. Its like when you learn to design a UI you are taught that you, as a designer, can never take it for granted that the user will understand how to use the UI that you design just because you think it is pretty straight forward and in the words of CCP Zulu "the greatest thing since sliced bread".
And never ever ever ever force us to use or do something in a radically different way than we have been used to doing things for the past 8 years just because you want us to [read: CQ]. Give us options.
Will be keeping an eye on how CCP tackles the issue (or doesn't).
Originally by: "CCP Fallout"
Originally by: "FunTimeBarbie" Dumb dee dumb dee da daldary dumb dumb. DURPY DURP DURP!!!!! ...
I durped you with a lock.
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ExhumeToConsume
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:07:00 -
[2852]
Originally by: Angeliq 1. A business model does not mean that all the details must be exactly the same from one business to another. That's why it's called a model, a template. You need to come up with specific, personalized approaches for your own business. A business model is based on marketing, mass psychology, customer thinking patterns, habits, social behavior, statistics, etc.
Egg-sucking lecture
Originally by: Angeliq 2. EVE is P2P! This is not a valid argument. The numbers show that a lot of ppl already bought monocles and clothing and are willing to pay for customization and power items in NEX shop. We are in target. CCP might even try a hybrid dual-pay scheme.
How many have been bought? What's the income of that vs the number of accounts unsubbed? Use your business acumen and tell us what that means about the success of Incarna.
Originally by: Angeliq 3. It is possible EVE Online will go F2P. Especially if SOE will takes over. Those of you that believe CCP Fallout, it's your choice, I don't give a fck... BUUUT DUST514 for PS3 only! Hello!?! SOE has invested a lot of time (and money) in this project.
This is *possible*, but Eve was never designed to be F2P and CCP has no experience with that market. I fail to see how it would be possible to switch models without losing virtually all of the existing playerbase. It's a massive business risk to shoot your cash cow with no real plan to replace the income other than wishful thinking.
Despite bad expansions like Dominion and Trinity, Eve was continuing to increase its playerbase. That has now suddenly reversed.
<snip useless quote>
Originally by: Angeliq 4. The average age is different. Not entirely true. The average age of a BF:Heroes player is only 3-4 years younger. In the last years EVE Online became more and more dumb proof, more accessible to the younger player. This culminates with Incarna and the new player tutorial being a very appealing experience for a new (young) player.
Lessening Eve's vertical learning curve is not the topic that is enraging the existing player base. However, you have to wonder why CCP didn't focus more resources in this area to get more users in, rather than indulging in MT nonsense?
<snip vague ramblings>
Originally by: Angeliq 6. There were no surveys. Wrong. There is the annual CCP survey, tho if I remember right, there were no questions regarding NEX Store, the questions in that survey were meant to gather info on customer behavior, addiction, alternative games we might migrate to... all kinds of "useful" information. "Dear xxxxxx, You are invited to participate in a survey being conducted by CCP...." The other "surveys" were conducted in-game by crunching numbers, statistics. For example: how much time the player spent designing and redesigning the new character model. I'm sure there are many aspects, numbers and indicators to be interpreted.
CCP has been less than forthcoming about their MT plans, so how can a survey have any meaning? There's currently a survey in the Assembly Hall concerning whether MT was a good idea or not. Guess what the result was.
Originally by: Angeliq 7. EVE has depth. Yes, it does but we made it like this. It can make money without all that obscure 0.0 politics, without all those well thought war plans, without any plans at all. Just a bunch of players running around popping stuff. Might be fun.
0.0 politics has kept Eve in the news since its inception. Stuff like the disbanding of BoB even made BBC online headlines. That's pretty priceless advertising and is something that makes Eve online unique vs other MMOs.
Originally by: Angeliq 8. NEX current Prices -> Price anchoring
This runs contrary to Eve development, which has always sought to remove items that cause price floors/ceilings. An old player told me that shuttles used to be NPC-seeded items until it was realised they were acting as a price ceiling on minerals. Also, PI has been used to make more items player-produced. MT runs a truck through this ideal.
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Andrei Vassaliev
Cursed Inc. Not Found.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:39:00 -
[2853]
Edited by: Andrei Vassaliev on 27/06/2011 13:40:14 I invest something like 26Ç/month in your company since ~5 years. I'am really disappointed by you CCP, and I don't approve your future vision of EVE.
I came into EVE Online because it was a MMO spaceship video game. For 26Ç/month, I expected more than unfinished and questionable extension/features. Moreover, this money is not supposed to pay the developpment of a f***ing FPS game on PS3, nor a Vampire MMO. Your last extension is the worst I ever seen, and your marketing policy is an insult to your olders and faithful customers.
That's why I stopped my investment in your compagny by cancelling my 2 accounts subscriptions. Congrats.
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Kraahh
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:57:00 -
[2854]
Originally by: CCP Zulu (via blog)
... However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. ...
Thats not enough for you ppl?
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Bobuxlav
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:09:00 -
[2855]
Dear Arnar Hrafn Gylfason,
I would like to say "F**K YOU" for being a TOTAL DOUCHE BAG and pretending we are ******ED.
I would also like to hang you by your feet and whip you with a rusty chain if posssible for being part of the leadership of an increasingly blood-sucking immoral corporation that wants to milk its players like cows.
Finally, please remember YOU CONDESCENDING PIECE OF S**T that you are not dealing with morons, but rather with SCI-FI enthusiats who have a lot of knowledge on how this world works, whether if it's BUGS related to **** code compilers or with economics.
Thanks,
Bobuxlav
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Ralagina
Caldari ReviveX Fleet White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:47:00 -
[2856]
100? --
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Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar TotalControl Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 16:45:00 -
[2857]
You're doing it wrong. Just ask 'those who do not wish to be named' aka 'world 1337' and they'll confirm that world-subverting changes need to be trickled in bit by bit, lest any drastic implementation jarr everyone awake to ones sinister plans.
I suggest you tear one or the other page out of their book on 'global domination of the one order' and adopt 'problem-reaction-solution' along with the 'boling-frog technique'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29C_KNZ7RNs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpsLZDgFK4
Or alternately maybe you can listen to your customers, and rethink your options. If you genuinely need more money, maybe some of us might understand a raising of the monthly fee. - - - This signature intentionally left both short and blank. - - -
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 -
[2858]
I'm not ****ed off about microtransactions. Frankly I could care less. I AM, however, ****ed off that Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said in his email:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How does that paragraph constitute DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples and reasoning. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It states simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I do NOT appreciate this remedial attempt at spin from Gylfason nor the play for time afforded by the "emergency CSM meeting" on this issue. CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
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Minty Spidersauce
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:46:00 -
[2859]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 04:19:27
Originally by: Rasz Lin except BF:Heroes is a perfect example of a casual game
As Eve will become.
Originally by: Rasz Lin It has zero depth.
As Eve will become.
Originally by: Rasz Lin its F2P.
As Eve will become.
That is exactly the change that SWG tried to achieve.
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Doctor Dodo
Caldari Dalek Tactical Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.27 22:43:00 -
[2860]
If EVE becomes a F2P (which I doubt) then the purchasable weapons, ships, items, and cosmetics items will have to generate a higher monthly stream of income than the current subscriptions currently do, and to do that then they will have to be considerably more powerful then the current ingame versions then every following release of equipment will have to even more powerful than previous releases to get players to pay for the latest generation of equipment.
How long would it take for the F2P veteran players to become easy prey for a noob with the cash to pay for super weapons straight off the rack? When I do something stupid it's a learning experience, when you do something stupid it's comedy. |
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:24:00 -
[2861]
Originally by: Doctor Dodo How long would it take for the F2P veteran players to become easy prey for a noob with the cash to pay for super weapons straight off the rack?
As soon as they can purchase SP as well, the game will be completely broken. Can you imagine 2-day old pubes flying max-skilled drakes around? Broken like ancient pottery.
Originally by: Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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Mechatronicus Anihilus
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:57:00 -
[2862]
Edited by: Mechatronicus Anihilus on 27/06/2011 23:58:39
Quote:
How long would it take for the F2P veteran players to become easy prey for a noob with the cash to pay for super weapons straight off the rack?
That's not really much of an issue to begin with. Look at how easily people who buy a stack of plex get owned by high-sec gankers. I'm sure veteran pvpers would own n00bs with aurum bought superships and aurum bought skills pretty easily, as I'm convinced CCP would not initially put the amount of effort into changing the game SO much to make it otherwise. But as has been already pointed out, think about this...
N00b with aurum just spent a ton of cash to make himself "invincible" and lost it in a few seconds. Now what? N00b calls credit card company and reverses charges.
So now CCP really DOES have to make huge game mechanic changes so that the mt bought superweapons are that super in order to protect their new revenue stream. So yes, down the road a bit it becomes a serious problem. |
Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:59:00 -
[2863]
Originally by: Ralagina 100?
What scope do you like on your sniper rifle? Personally I prefer a 10x fixed sight.
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Airi Che
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Posted - 2011.06.27 23:59:00 -
[2864]
CCP, you are full of sh*t. Your supposed smooth install lasted about 6 hours longer than originally stated but it went better that any other? You are on drugs, and bad ones at that. Your Captain's Quarter suck. It adds absolutely NOTHING to the game. Oh, did I mention that it is sooooooooooo absolutely UNREALISTIC that it makes me want to vomit. And I cannot tell you just how much I have been waiting for an upgrade that adds damage bars to ICE; NOT!!!!
DID YOU IDIOTS HEAR ME??????? THIS UPGRADE SUCKS. YOUR PLANS TO SELL "SPECIAL" ITEMS SUCKS. YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF COMPREHENSION THAT YOUR CUSTOMERS HATE THIS SUCKS.
Get real. If your *ssess were in game; you'd be war dec'd and dead.
Airi (who doesn't like arragent men, much less arragent as*hole men)
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:41:00 -
[2865]
Originally by: Consortium Agent
Originally by: Danly Steel Hey, I'm struttin' right now. Got my $1K jeans on, got my monocle in position, got my . . . um . . . got my ship hung up on a mission acceleration gate and can't warp because stupid physics are less important than monocles to CCP. How can a spaceship get hung up on asteroids and gates?--maybe the pricey jeans pockets are catching something.
Remember, mates. In space, no one can hear your jeans.
Well played sir, well played. I'm ROFLMAO.
+1
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:52:00 -
[2866]
Originally by: Zen Sins I'm not ****ed off about microtransactions. Frankly I could care less. I AM, however, ****ed off that Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said in his email:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How does that paragraph constitute DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples and reasoning. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It states simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I do NOT appreciate this remedial attempt at spin from Gylfason nor the play for time afforded by the "emergency CSM meeting" on this issue. CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
I think it's best to keep in mind that the "stated intent" of that internal newsletter was to provoke debate and discussion both for and against the idea(s) presented in it, now whether or not that is in fact it's "intent" remains to be seen, and coupled with the email leak, it gives the appearance that it's not so much what we've been told it is, but rather what it actually appears to be. Regardless of the intent of the internal newsletter, the uproar it has caused to date will make it inevitable that the CSM meeting will more than likely be a way for CCP to find out exactly how far they could actually go without resulting in a mass exodus of clients/players, but it's my personal hope that the CSMs stand firm on their ground and deliver the "this will not be tolerated, if you..(insert item here) and break the game" message in no uncertain terms.
I could however be mistaken, but I think i'm not.
o/ K.S.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:26:00 -
[2867]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:26:31
Originally by: Doctor Dodo If EVE becomes a F2P (which I doubt) then the purchasable weapons, ships, items, and cosmetics items will have to generate a higher monthly stream of income than the current subscriptions currently do, and to do that then they will have to be considerably more powerful then the current ingame versions then every following release of equipment will have to even more powerful than previous releases to get players to pay for the latest generation of equipment.
How long would it take for the F2P veteran players to become easy prey for a noob with the cash to pay for super weapons straight off the rack?
It will take them 7 months to realise they are playing blackjack with a dealer who can't lose.
edit: **** there are plenty of people that think they know how to "win" blackjack lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.28 05:27:00 -
[2868]
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: Zen Sins I'm not ****ed off about microtransactions. Frankly I could care less. I AM, however, ****ed off that Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said in his email:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How does that paragraph constitute DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples and reasoning. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It states simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I do NOT appreciate this remedial attempt at spin from Gylfason nor the play for time afforded by the "emergency CSM meeting" on this issue. CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
I think it's best to keep in mind that the "stated intent" of that internal newsletter was to provoke debate and discussion both for and against the idea(s) presented in it, now whether or not that is in fact it's "intent" remains to be seen, and coupled with the email leak, it gives the appearance that it's not so much what we've been told it is, but rather what it actually appears to be. Regardless of the intent of the internal newsletter, the uproar it has caused to date will make it inevitable that the CSM meeting will more than likely be a way for CCP to find out exactly how far they could actually go without resulting in a mass exodus of clients/players, but it's my personal hope that the CSMs stand firm on their ground and deliver the "this will not be tolerated, if you..(insert item here) and break the game" message in no uncertain terms.
I could however be mistaken, but I think i'm not.
o/ K.S.
Sorry, but I just don't buy into the "it was just debate" spin on this, at all. It is CLEAR from the wording of the article that it was NOT part of a debate. In what form of debate does one side make a statement like "We are planning on doing so." as opposed to "We should plan on doing so?" The "We" in that sentence is CCP and the "doing so" is selling performance based items for AUR. That is the only possible way to read that paragraph. It even goes into the reasons WHY they are planning on selling performance enhancing items, in detail. If it was some bizarre form of debate, where is the article in the newsletter stating "We are NOT planning on doing so?" to represent the other side of the debate? The only debate about going beyond vanity items is on page 7.
Sorry, but the "It was all just a debate!" statement is damage control and spin. And it's incredibly weak. The statement in the newsletter was definitive and clear.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 05:43:00 -
[2869]
Originally by: Zen Sins (...) I AM, however, ****ed off that Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said in his email:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How does that paragraph constitute DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples and reasoning. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It states simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I think that segment needed to be quoted for, let's coin it "implausible deniability."
It's clear to me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that CCP was on the verge of going knee-deep into selling P2W items. And that we can probably thank whoever breached and leaked the Fearless letter -- and 'freed' Hilmar's email -- for preventing a catastrophe. I say the very fact alone that someone within CCP felt the need to divulge this sensitive material is quite telling all by itself, and indicative of the Fearless letter being a lot more than just innocent banter. Seems someone within CCP grew a conscience. Actually, I think most devs are, at heart, really on the 'good' side, so to speak, and that it's really upper management, with CFO Citibank folks like Joseph Gallo, which is trying to milk this game for all they can, just to line their own pockets. And that when they've depleted the company, that they'll do what they always do: bale with a golden parachute, and move on to the next sucker.
I have no illusions about CCP's greed or motives, but in the end it matters little. As long as the CSM can communite clearly, and firmly, that pay-to-win items will never be tolerated by what appears a vast majority of the playerbase, then I think we've already won a lot. It is, ultimately, not necessary for CCP to agree with us -- it's only necessary that they realize where the limits are: which line drawn in the sand is to be taken serious, and which not.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Kokosu Kunai
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 06:31:00 -
[2870]
I'm also unsubscribing my 3 accounts, not only because of MT, but the way EVE has gone for the last years. Bringing pi$$-poorly QA'd new content that nobody wants instead of really fixing what's been broken (and what's been begged, asked, and even raged times and times again) in hope to lure new ppl in EVE while a**f*cking the veterans time and time again by vague promises that they hope no one will remember 3-4 months from now.
All they seem to think is that no matter what they do, the players still keep being blind and stupid milk-cows happily paying a declining service and also luring new people at the same time.
How can anyone equipped with even a slightest amount of common sense NOT see that CCP's senior management has totally lost their touch in reality?
I really hope that people will unsubscribe their accounts so that maybe it FINALLY dawns to the shareholders that if some drastic changes aren't done and SOON, they won't have a company to save, because all they think is moneymoneymoney and nothing else will get the message through.
So, I beg all of you who are dissatisfied by the things EVE has become (the milk-cow for their megalomaniac ideas), the way CCP is heading (down the crapper) to UNSUBSCRIBE in order to hit CCP where it hurts the most -> their moneybook.
P.S. Thanks for the 4 years CCP, too bad it now tastes like ashes in my mouth.
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ViperLok
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Posted - 2011.06.28 07:12:00 -
[2871]
hello everyone, I'm Viper and I'm an Alcoholic.
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Aran Makor
Caldari Handsome Millionaire Playboys
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:25:00 -
[2872]
Edited by: Aran Makor on 28/06/2011 09:34:50
I'd hate to see this game fall apart, CCP just needs to admit they ****ed up, cancel/postpone WoD and 514, and get their **** straight.
I find it highly amusing that the company on the verge of bankruptcy is flying CSM (what a failbody to begin with) reps out to Iceland. No, CCP, a small handful of pilots who want their names forever immortalized in an online game won't save your company. What little credibility you had left is now gone, because of this false gesture of "Hey, we care what our customers want because we listened to less than 1% of them".
Those ****head CSM's are just internet politicians who likely have NO idea of business concepts or financial management. I'd even bet half of them are not old enough to buy a beer in the USA, a few others have criminal records, and one of them is just downright ****ing basement creepy.
Yes, CCP, those people will save you from the awesome fail that you have orchestrated.
EDIT*** This may be the first thread in the history of EVE where 99% (if not 100%) of the posters agreed on something. CCP, I am only going to put this in capital letters on the offhand chance that during the little CSM circle jerk, you guys might actually listen to the rest of us players.
IF TWO HUNDRED PAGES OF PEOPLE WHO SHOOT THE **** OUT OF EACH OTHERS SHIPS, RAGE AT EACH OTHER IN LOCAL, AND GENERALLY ****ING VERBALLY ABUSE EACH OTHER SUDDENLY SHOW UP ON YOUR FORUMS AND IT'S A CONSENSUS THAT YOU ARE ****ING UP AND HERE IS HOW TO FIX IT, YOU MAY WANT TO ****ING LISTEN. Why I lost faith in humanity |
Ed Allstar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:38:00 -
[2873]
CCP - More spin than a drunk Tony Blair playing drinking games.
Finger is hovering the unsub button...CCP you need to come up with a meaningful solution on this one
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Bhaal Chinnian
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:54:00 -
[2874]
To all of you 'threatening' to quit Eve...please do. It will go a long way towards your recovery. The next step will be to move out of mommies basement, hit the gym , and go find a 'special someone' to occupy the limited time you have on this planet. |
Anonymity
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 -
[2875]
Whilst he clearly has not done much to calm the rabid mob I think a lot of people here are out of touch with reality.
You really need to get ahold of yourselves, calling for "people to take responsibility" to be "fired" seriously, you are mentally unstable.
These are people that created a game that many of you have been playing for near 8 years, I know I started back in beta and come back annually to get my fix, but you're just going to call for people who worked their tails off for you to be fired based on them stating their opinion?
Also got to love the "cancelled all my subs now, who wants to play a game that may not be any good in six months" welcome to the MMO world, the games change constantly and often the changes are not to the liking of every kind of player.
As for microtransactions, well...ideally they stay as vanity items but there are non vanity products that can be offered safely, for example new player skill point booster packs, allow someone to get a fighting chance if they are just starting out without having to sit around for 3 months, anyone who disputes that as unfair in my personal opnion is a pansy hiding behind their skills point advantage and time in Eve. In most other MMO's you can usually catch up in a month flat and be on a completely level playing field, Eve is heavily bias towards veterans and this is coming from someone who has been playing on and off since beta.
Get a grip on reality and stop with all the hate and bile towards developers that so far have withstood the trend of catering to the casual and PVE playerbase (much to the dismay of a hell of a lot of players), if you alienate them they'll put less into your game or up and leave altogether.
The more vocal playerbase is often an elitist bunch who mock loadouts and taunt players who make mistakes and lose everything, there are pockets of great people, but they tend to be overshadowed by the less than friendly masses.
One final note to CCP, many of my friends enjoyed Eve but found that there is nothing to do in highsec space and lowsec space is not a place for the weak, inexperienced solo players, so they stopped playing. Most of the time I play on my own because of this. So what's my point? well you created a world in which players who thrive on the vulnerable and inexperienced can flourish, a game where it pays heavily to trick, steal, kill and generally grief your fellow players. Why on earth are you surprised when they turn on you?
The friendly players who don't tear you a new one for even talking about features they may not like are in more PVE/casual friendly games, you know...games where someone stood by the side of the road doesn't get tranq'd, dragged into the bushes and stripped of everything including their internal organs for resale on the black market.
You reap what you sow.
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TuftyMac
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:56:00 -
[2876]
I would of bought into the idea of dressing up my Char if it was going to cost me a few pounds, but to charge a few hundreds pounds for stuff in a internet game forget i. As for the game winning stuff, you bring that stuff in i'll unsub END OFF.
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Chris Libby
Gallente Heavy Industries Trinova
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:59:00 -
[2877]
As I've voiced in another post concerning the API, I'm greatly concerned by the recent turn of events with the Incarna patch. I don't have a problem with vanity items, but why do we need a new form of currency when we already have ISK. You can convert a PLEX to ISK quite quickly - and people do it all the time. So if you want to spend your cash on vanity crap, there's already a mechanism to do it. If someone who makes a crap-ton of ISK in game wants a vanity item, they can pay for it without using PLEX. To me, this just gives the hardcore few who are willing to invest $100 in plex to buy a carrier another method to blow their parents money.
I play EVE every day, but I would consider myself more of a casual player who wants to experience a bit of everything in Eve, but I don't want to be forced to do anything other than pay my subscription fee. If I want to PVP, I jump in a ship and head out of low/null sec and shoot at something until I die. If I want to mission/mine - I do so. Would I pay $100 for a monacle? F*** no. Would I pay 100mil isk for one? Maybe.
I feel I'm closer to the majority of casaul players views, but it seems that most posters and people who participate in the Council are the hardcore few. So why does it appear that CCP is only listening to the hardcore few? He's dead Jim...grab his wallet. |
HanSolos Daddy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:03:00 -
[2878]
Edited by: HanSolos Daddy on 28/06/2011 13:03:18 Edited by: HanSolos Daddy on 28/06/2011 13:02:58
Originally by: Anonymity Whilst he clearly has not done much to calm the rabid mob I think a lot of people here are out of touch with reality.
It's Captain Obvious aka the Shadow!!!!
Let me break this down for you just a little:
Eve is a MMO. The whole point of a MMO is to be out of touch with reality and in touch with something unreal. So, if you make a really good MMO, and then start screwing it up, you are messing with someone's unreality. And things will be unreal. The unreality gets realer, the reality gets unreal. Should make sense, even to someone as unreal as you, a shadow called Anonymity.
LoL. You telling people to "Get a grip on reality." What a LolTroll.
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TuftyMan
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:19:00 -
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i now have my RAGE AT CCP SKILL trained at lvl 5 only took 2 days
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zen Sins
Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath I think it's best to keep in mind that the "stated intent" of that internal newsletter was to provoke debate and discussion both for and against the idea(s) presented in it, now whether or not that is in fact it's "intent" remains to be seen, and coupled with the email leak, it gives the appearance that it's not so much what we've been told it is, but rather what it actually appears to be. Regardless of the intent of the internal newsletter, the uproar it has caused to date will make it inevitable that the CSM meeting will more than likely be a way for CCP to find out exactly how far they could actually go without resulting in a mass exodus of clients/players, but it's my personal hope that the CSMs stand firm on their ground and deliver the "this will not be tolerated, if you..(insert item here) and break the game" message in no uncertain terms.
I could however be mistaken, but I think i'm not.
o/ K.S.
Sorry, but the "It was all just a debate!" statement is damage control and spin. And it's incredibly weak. The statement in the newsletter was definitive and clear.
I understand exactly what you're saying, hence the reason I said that it "remains to be seen" in regard to whether that is in fact the real intent of the newsletter. I also think that even if the stated intent of the news letter is it's actual intent, the emergency meeting with the CSMs will more than likely be a way for CCP to find out exactly how far they could go in that area because the issue is now on the table... (for better or for worse)
o/ K.S.
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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:18:00 -
[2881]
Originally by: Kraahh
Originally by: CCP Zulu (via blog)
... However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. ...
Thats not enough for you ppl?
All he's said there is that they have no plans to sell "gold ammo", nothing more, hell it's even quoted... so what about purple ammo?, special ships?, Skillpoints?, and a myriad of other non-vanity things that can change or unbalance gameplay being sold for real $ via AUR?
not to dog you, but if you think that statement answered the question everyone has been asking, then you missed the point my friend. People are wanting a simple yes or no answer to the question, not sidestepping, or pointing toward a single item as though that's supposed to quell their concerns while not really answering the question at all.
What should have been said IF they really wanted to answer the question was: ... However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is, there are no and never have been plans to sell "non-vanity" items for Aurum. ...
or
... However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is, there are plans to sell "non-vanity" items for Aurum. ...
those are simple "yes or no" answers, everything else is just sidestepping and PR speak.
o/ K.S.
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PhaBeekKrut
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:44:00 -
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I would think if you go beyond selling vanity items the only people you'll have left playing this game will be the people that could afford $1000 jeans in real life, and playing this game is not going to get you laid! Vanity in real life is a sin - vanity in a game makes you a douche-nozzle.
Besides what would be the point, if when you left the bathroom people only saw you from the shoulders up? So currently not only is vanity expensive and a sin it's also pointless unless it on your face. I'm not buying a $70 monocle unless I loose an eye, which could happen... the new little turret icons make me wanna gouge an eye out.
PBK
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DaHeaVYFo
Trauma Ward
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Posted - 2011.06.28 15:12:00 -
[2883]
Well. I'm doing my part. And I'm not buying any of those items. Id rather have an extra Mach or two then a friggin monacle. But I am but........ ... one man
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:58:00 -
[2884]
That CCP was and is debating on having micro-transactions in the game is not problematic to me - as long as they are just vanity items only, because quite frankly I dont care.
What does bother me is the following:
-Being called a "Golden Goose". To this I have to say F*CK YOU, you A*SHAT! Oh and btw -4 subscriptions, permanently. Im not a f'ing goose, Im a person, and someone who WAS invested in your game. I dont like being referred to as "the sucker" or your "sugar daddy", or your perpetual egg layer that you get to cash in on - you twit
-That I as a player am funding OTHER GAMES, resources that SHOULD be spent on FIXING primary Bugs, issues and balance content in EVE that has been outstanding for a VERY LONG TIME. In addition, I dont like the fact that it is very clear to me now that what I suspected to be occuring was occuring - namely that you were adding shiney new content to attract subs so that you could fund the development of OTHER games, rather than fixing issues in your primary game
-The following comment from Zulu "I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog. - They arent my issues dip sh*t they are YOUR F*CKING ISSUES. Someone seriously needs to demote Zulu back to a grunt coding position or something, this isnt the first time he has stepped on the player base and said something stupid.
I do have to say CCP you have done a spectacular job at stepping on the neck of your "golden goose". And now the downward flaming spiral of EVE Online continues.
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Kourne
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:59:00 -
[2885]
I don't see a big issue with the AUR system as it is set up in Eve. You can buy plex for isk or RL cash. So already Eve has the feature in the game to use RL money to "pay to Win". You can spend $1000 US and buy a titan. (have not coverted the cost really so math is probably off) You can also spend a lot of time in game and buy/produce one. The issue is when you can only buy a titan with RL cash.
There are 3 fundemental issues with this system that if CCP goes down the path will probably end the game.
1. Take the PLEX for ISK trade off the market making it impossible to gain PLEX by any other means then RL cash and offer exclusive non-vanity items for AUR.
2. Offer currently non-seeded items or better than current items on the system. IE golden scorpion (with 2 extra slots accross the board or something like that). This will basically end the player based market. Price setting and adding to the supply of items will take almost all competitveness out of the market.
3. Putting SP on the AUR market. This will cause you to loose most of your veteran players.
IMO vanity items in an MMO is a waste of dev resources. Also I am not a fan of the FTP/PTW scheme where development of content is second to items to make more money.
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Josofo
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Posted - 2011.06.28 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith That CCP was and is debating on having micro-transactions in the game is not problematic to me - as long as they are just vanity items only, because quite frankly I dont care.
What does bother me is the following:
-Being called a "Golden Goose". To this I have to say F*CK YOU, you A*SHAT! Oh and btw -4 subscriptions, permanently. Im not a f'ing goose, Im a person, and someone who WAS invested in your game. I dont like being referred to as "the sucker" or your "sugar daddy", or your perpetual egg layer that you get to cash in on - you twit
-That I as a player am funding OTHER GAMES, resources that SHOULD be spent on FIXING primary Bugs, issues and balance content in EVE that has been outstanding for a VERY LONG TIME. In addition, I dont like the fact that it is very clear to me now that what I suspected to be occuring was occuring - namely that you were adding shiney new content to attract subs so that you could fund the development of OTHER games, rather than fixing issues in your primary game
-The following comment from Zulu "I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog. - They arent my issues dip sh*t they are YOUR F*CKING ISSUES. Someone seriously needs to demote Zulu back to a grunt coding position or something, this isnt the first time he has stepped on the player base and said something stupid.
I do have to say CCP you have done a spectacular job at stepping on the neck of your "golden goose". And now the downward flaming spiral of EVE Online continues.
Those are my problems aswell.
Did CCP honestly think we would want to "fund" their next game? Ofcourse that's how it works, but your main income from Eve, should be spent on.. You guessed it... Eve!
There really has been a lack of effort from the developers the past years. Now I "officially" know why. Thanks a lot.
-3 subs!
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DaHeaVYFo
Trauma Ward
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:40:00 -
[2887]
I bet people will have to pay BIG to buy a bar or office with the next Incarna expansion. Pay tones for them strippers. CCP is going to make quite abit of money. Right before the game dies.
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BeunWa
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 21:10:00 -
[2888]
Shame on you Zulu. Shame on you CCP. I'm really disappointed by your reaction and the way you treat the eve community. Shame on you.
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Darius Sokarad
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:50:00 -
[2889]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
I like many joined eve not because it was easy but, and this is a very important but, because it was hard, complex, unforgiving and a very long term commitment, I had a look and knew on day one that this sandbox of yours was going to occupy me what whats probably left of my life, it was who dies first, eve or me.
Eve is/was full of bright, intelligent people, it still is, the player base care more about CCP than most of your directors and major shareholders, and whats more its individual and collective intelligence far outstrips any resource CCP could ever acquire or contract on the marketplace.
We understand that CCP should have other products, we made CCP successful enough to takeover/merge with WW, we understood that WiS was the making of the ambulation and box engine for and WoD, we were more than happy to keep shoveling you cash because it was good for eve and CCP. What we did not expect as you promised it would not happen is MT in eve, yes develop the method for WoD, but introducing it into eve is CCP breaking trust with the eve community.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS, This, this!! Thank you for putting that to words Brainless Bimbo.
I don't want Eve to be a glorified MechQuest, I want it difficult, so difficult that we joke about a learning cliff instead of a learning curve. I want it so that there needs to be commitment and passion from the players.
20 days left before this sub runs out, and so far nothing to convince me to stay.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:07:00 -
[2890]
^^ READ! ^^
After you read this, do you honestly believe that "The One Who's Name Shall Not Be Spoken" (the major shareholder of CCP) cares about the gaming experience? Do you honestly believe that he's concerned about ruining the game? About ruining the in-game market, economics and balance? Do you honestly believe that he gives a damn about all the ppl raging here on forums? Do you think that he cares about EVE Online? Do you think he cares about the income EVE Online makes from players? Do you think he cares about how much will an EVE Online player spend on NEX Store?
Here's my take on this! CCP has no authority, no power over these late decisions. CCP is just following orders, Hilmar, CCP Zulu, CCP Pann, CCP Fallout, CCP whatever, they can't do anything about this, that's why most of them are as upset about those changes as we are, maybe even more, considering the fact that their (most loved) project is going to be screwed up and maybe even shut down eventually. As for CSM... LOL they weren't even consulted in all those late decisions. It's ALL JUST AN ACT, A CHARADE. This is why some of CCP's employees leaked documents and this is why everybody is afraid to speak. They, just like us, are only puppets.
For obvious reasons I will not elaborate more on this story, but for EVE's sake, wake up ppl, OPEN YOUR EYES!
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:40:00 -
[2891]
Originally by: Angeliq
^^ READ! ^^
Interesting Read.
I played eve since 2003 - and i never dropped subscription. I have three accounts now, and i know that many out there run even more, not trying to portrait my personal story as a big Shocker.
For a while i prefered the virtual reality in EVE, over the reality outside of it.
Those times are over, and if they turn eve into a place where the RL-rich get too much of an advantage over those who earn their ISK the hard way ingame...
..if they focus on the wrong things, as if a external business consultant is dictating the course now, instead of the old CCP visionaries.. well then it is really time to say goodbye. It has been fun 8-9 yrs.. And i will miss you, but as the CSM has no other than marketing value to you, you have no more than the value of a billboard to me...
I will be watching where its heading for a little while...
A good start would be a sincere and in depht response to the players worries.
recruiting -forum
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Fred Kyong
Caldari EWH NanoTex
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Fred Kyong on 29/06/2011 08:58:50 I do not wear brand named cloth in real life. Considering, I would like my avatar even naked or with just a little bits of cloth! How much could a string tanga be? Top=Topless... no need there Other than that... yep, I do not need cloth in EvE and I do give a f*x+cco what other think
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:45:00 -
[2893]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 29/06/2011 10:52:22
Originally by: Angeliq
^^ READ! ^^
After you read this, do you honestly believe that "The One Who's Name Shall Not Be Spoken" (the major shareholder of CCP) cares about the gaming experience? Do you honestly believe that he's concerned about ruining the game? About ruining the in-game market, economics and balance? Do you honestly believe that he gives a damn about all the ppl raging here on forums? Do you think that he cares about EVE Online? Do you think he cares about the income EVE Online makes from players? Do you think he cares about how much will an EVE Online player spend on NEX Store?
My, my, from Russian Mafia to American N-a-z-i Party, what a fine bunch of leadership we have. :(
P.S. It certainly explains why Russian botters are left alone. Puzzle pieces have a funny, be it sometimes painful, way of coming together.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Silent Overwatch S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 11:08:00 -
[2894]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 29/06/2011 10:52:22
Originally by: Angeliq
^^ READ! ^^
After you read this, do you honestly believe that "The One Who's Name Shall Not Be Spoken" (the major shareholder of CCP) cares about the gaming experience? Do you honestly believe that he's concerned about ruining the game? About ruining the in-game market, economics and balance? Do you honestly believe that he gives a damn about all the ppl raging here on forums? Do you think that he cares about EVE Online? Do you think he cares about the income EVE Online makes from players? Do you think he cares about how much will an EVE Online player spend on NEX Store?
My, my, from Russian Mafia to American N-a-z-i Party, what a fine bunch of leadership we have. :(
P.S. It certainly explains why Russian botters are left alone. Puzzle pieces have a funny, be it sometimes painful, way of coming together.
And maybe why CCP GM's helped BoB at some point in the past.
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El 1974
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Posted - 2011.06.29 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: El 1974 on 29/06/2011 11:25:37 Edited by: El 1974 on 29/06/2011 11:24:59
Originally by: Zen Sins I'm not ****ed off about microtransactions. Frankly I could care less. I AM, however, ****ed off that Gylfason lied straight to my face as an Eve player when he said in his email:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell ôgold ammoö for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesnÆt even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."
That simply does NOT mesh with the context of the Fearless article which states:
"On the opposite end of the scale to vanity goods are performance based items such as weapons. They are consumed through gameplay, making them a potentially powerful source of renewable income. Selling them for real money is very tempting. They are highly desired by the player audience and yield lower development costs, as variation can be achieved through numbers rather than unique art assets. Selling them though, is highly controversial. We are planning on doing so. I would be tempted to say it is because we are fearless, but the real reason is that we have strong evidence that selling performance enhancers, in moderation, works. Korean developers have capitalized on performance-enhancing items for a long time, but it took a leap of faith from the people developing Battlefield: Heroes to show that the same principles that work in Korea apply for the western market as well."
How does that paragraph constitute DEBATE? It is quite plainly a statement of FACT backed by given examples and reasoning. It is NOT an argument that they "should" or "should not" do something. It states simply "WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING SO."
I do NOT appreciate this remedial attempt at spin from Gylfason nor the play for time afforded by the "emergency CSM meeting" on this issue. CCP should either HTFU and admit their plan, or reverse themselves and commit to CHANGING the plan.
You talk about context and don't read it. You quote an article about Dust and then you act like it's about Eve. Yes, Dust will have non-vanity items. And yes that sucks because Dust will be linked with Eve. But it doesn't say anything about what they will sell in Eve.
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Greystorm Darkblade
Gallente Self Preservation Society the 2nd
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Posted - 2011.06.29 11:49:00 -
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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Seems this question was answered in the the original Dev Blog: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932 -Zulu
Quote" We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale."- Arnar Hrafn Gylfason Senior Producer of EVE Online
That being out for a few days, now the only thing to do is "choose". stay and play or emoragequit. CCP is being run as a buisness, with the intent to make real money and as much as possible before it folds or it's sold off. I dont like it, you dont like it and those that will not be named, dont care to include us in it's buisness plan.
The reality is, they are in it for the real money/ruble/Yen/dollar, and we fly around collecting space bucks.
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Caldar Strom
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Posted - 2011.06.29 13:55:00 -
[2897]
It is good that ppl are unsubbing, canihasyourstuff?
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Fogunkdugunk
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Posted - 2011.06.29 14:37:00 -
[2898]
All right Guys! I we read all 101 pages, and I think I shot my post now. Sorry for my english, its not well trained yet:) So many of you guys seems to me who want that ****ing monocle or boots or something.. Just dont want to pay it for. Well world doesn't work like this. For me, monocle look like sh+it, I dont want it and Im not going to pay for it any amount of aurum. because it completely useless. So I dont care if it stays in game or not. Just pay 3 trillion or more for it if you dumb+ss. Beyond wanity items? Well what could happen? Some rich noob buy a ship which has 10-20% better stats. Buy a standing too. Well he wont know what his ship could do, (sig radius/speed for example) and I call few of my ppl, and gank that ****er down. Or for example, buy a good projectile ammo, which has advantages. Than What? If I hit a retriever which costs 5 million isk, I will not shoot with that ammo, what is worth 20 million. Also do it if you dumb+ss. Most of you are experienced players. Its a shame you cant see that rage quitting will not solve the problem. You hit ccp on their wallet. Fine. But if you love this game. (you said you love it really o really) Than try something else. rage quiting is a first step to kill the game. The second one is The CCP. Forget to invest money in some edead plans like DUST, and try to fund it through the EVE.. Because eve was the first. First things first. Be proud to it, Fix the lags and then bugs, anyone gets happy with it. Further steps like Dust , or small turrets or CQ is UNNECESSARY. If your game EVE is playeble enough, than see how can you try more staff. Oh and Please Train The "Communication with my Clients" skill from level 1 to level 3. Level 4 and level 5 Will be hard . People dont like the lies.
All right. You can spamming me if you want, but remember this was just my opinion. And thanks for reading
Cheers
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:31:00 -
[2899]
Originally by: Angeliq
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 29/06/2011 10:52:22
Originally by: Angeliq
^^ READ! ^^
After you read this, do you honestly believe that "The One Who's Name Shall Not Be Spoken" (the major shareholder of CCP) cares about the gaming experience? Do you honestly believe that he's concerned about ruining the game? About ruining the in-game market, economics and balance? Do you honestly believe that he gives a damn about all the ppl raging here on forums? Do you think that he cares about EVE Online? Do you think he cares about the income EVE Online makes from players? Do you think he cares about how much will an EVE Online player spend on NEX Store?
My, my, from Russian Mafia to American N-a-z-i Party, what a fine bunch of leadership we have. :(
P.S. It certainly explains why Russian botters are left alone. Puzzle pieces have a funny, be it sometimes painful, way of coming together.
And maybe why CCP GM's helped BoB at some point in the past.
Confirming that a high proportion of the BoB membership were American Naz1s working for the Russian mafia.
Hmm, maybe not - but you may have us on the cheap booze angle.
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Atkyaz Dreadstalker
Minmatar Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.30 00:56:00 -
[2900]
WOW. Any developer that can read this thread and not think that these questions need addressed is a total moron.
This game has survived for so many years because the development team for the most part did what was needed to keep the community happy. 80% of the community is against micro transactions. No body cares about the stupidly over priced cloths that are available now. some are upset at the price of the monocle. I mean seriously, 4 plex worth of Aurum for a single monocle. That's about $100 real money! For a vanity item? Are you serious? I thought that EVE was all about keeping everything accessible to anyone. Most EVE players can not afford to spend $100 dollars on a in game item no matter how much they might want one.
But still as long as it stays with vanity items only, most players will just complain and not do anything. Some will leave any way. I'm sure you devs have noticed a noticeable increase in canceled accounts since you put this in game. If you think this is coincidence them there really is no hope.I don't know what the plan is but letting this get out of hand will be the end of EVE. 40,000 or more players logged in at prime times is what makes this game great, ****ing off the community like this is not some thing you can afford if you you want this game to continue to grow.There are a few big MMO games coming out soon. If you frustrate your players they will be more inclined to take a break and try the new games. many of those players will not come back after they leave.
You see dollar signs when you talk about MT but ignore the lost dollars from cancelled subs if you continue down this path. Stop this now. If you wait until a mass exodus of subs it will be to late. In my experience players who lose trust in a development team not only abandon the game they are playing but refuse to play any game from the same developer. If you don't believe me just look at SOE. the SWG disaster was caused by not just by a bad decision on the part of the developers, but more so by the fact they refused to accept it was a mistake and would not fix it. they lost 80% of the subs in SWG within 2 months.
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Manique
Caldari Ominous Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.30 11:47:00 -
[2901]
Originally by: Aran Makor
IF ONE HUNDRED PAGES OF PEOPLE WHO SHOOT THE **** OUT OF EACH OTHERS SHIPS, RAGE AT EACH OTHER IN LOCAL, AND GENERALLY ****ING VERBALLY ABUSE EACH OTHER SUDDENLY SHOW UP ON YOUR FORUMS AND IT'S A CONSENSUS THAT YOU ARE ****ING UP AND HERE IS HOW TO FIX IT, YOU MAY WANT TO ****ING LISTEN.
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Lucia Ferragano
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:06:00 -
[2902]
Originally by: Darius Sokarad
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
I like many joined eve not because it was easy but, and this is a very important but, because it was hard, complex, unforgiving and a very long term commitment, I had a look and knew on day one that this sandbox of yours was going to occupy me what whats probably left of my life, it was who dies first, eve or me.
Eve is/was full of bright, intelligent people, it still is, the player base care more about CCP than most of your directors and major shareholders, and whats more its individual and collective intelligence far outstrips any resource CCP could ever acquire or contract on the marketplace.
We understand that CCP should have other products, we made CCP successful enough to takeover/merge with WW, we understood that WiS was the making of the ambulation and box engine for and WoD, we were more than happy to keep shoveling you cash because it was good for eve and CCP. What we did not expect as you promised it would not happen is MT in eve, yes develop the method for WoD, but introducing it into eve is CCP breaking trust with the eve community.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS, This, this!! Thank you for putting that to words Brainless Bimbo.
I don't want Eve to be a glorified MechQuest, I want it difficult, so difficult that we joke about a learning cliff instead of a learning curve. I want it so that there needs to be commitment and passion from the players.
20 days left before this sub runs out, and so far nothing to convince me to stay.
4 days.
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Lucia Ferragano
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:09:00 -
[2903]
Originally by: Atkyaz Dreadstalker
You see dollar signs when you talk about MT but ignore the lost dollars from cancelled subs if you continue down this path. Stop this now. If you wait until a mass exodus of subs it will be to late. In my experience players who lose trust in a development team not only abandon the game they are playing but refuse to play any game from the same developer. If you don't believe me just look at SOE. the SWG disaster was caused by not just by a bad decision on the part of the developers, but more so by the fact they refused to accept it was a mistake and would not fix it. they lost 80% of the subs in SWG within 2 months.
Agreed. And then when their smaller brother/cousin asks, they give their opinion. Guess what I'll tell around me when WoD and DUST come out if things aren't solved FAST? |
Halgirsand Verneraal
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:20:00 -
[2904]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
edit: **** there are plenty of people that think they know how to "win" blackjack lol
<Mafia voice on> Hey, Constantine, I don't like to lose, you understand me Constantine? It's nothin personal Constantine.... it's bidnez. I dont lose at Blackjack. Neither do my friends... Ice him. <Mafia voice off, sad music plays>
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Lucia Ferragano
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:33:00 -
[2905]
Originally by: Angeliq Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 21:14:12
Originally by: Julian Kirov
Here's a presentation from the creators of BF:Heroes that explains why Hilmar gives no fcks about the forums.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
This is a very interesting presentation. Everyone should... MUST watch it!
This presentation will tell you why EVE Online WILL have a Cash Shop WITH GAME CHANGING ITEMS beyond vanity ones!! It shows that the business model works and why it will work in EVE too.
Difference: EVE is a long term commitment game. It's also a hard "Excel sheet"type of game. Not a FPS. I'll be watching that closely, but if serious bugs from Incarna are not addressed SOON(TM?), and other issues too... from the sideline. By the way, funny thing, if you search "CCP EVE scandal" on Google, you find the reaction of our beloved company to a scandal a few years ago, one that was not that bad. Interesting read.
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Garekell
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Caldar Strom It is good that ppl are unsubbing, canihasyourstuff?
"Canihasyourstuff"??? My God that is brilliant! You sir are a genius! Why that new catch-phrase you just came up with, will probably be quoted for years by trolls who don't have enough brains or wit to say anything clever or on topic ever!!..... oh.... sorry
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Ed Allstar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ed Allstar on 01/07/2011 09:57:34 Edited by: Ed Allstar on 01/07/2011 09:56:34 i thought this picture depicting the cost of NeX t-shirts versus real life t-shirts sums up the major balls up that CCP has stumbled into, lol:
http://i.imgur.com/g3hEB.jpg
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Kiran
Minmatar Knights of Azrael
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:35:00 -
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What a pointless dev blog.
It mentions nothing of pay to win issues and nor does it look like you have a grasp on actual value on clothing.
Microtransactions do not work in a p2p MMO either turn Eve into F2P and have your MT's or keep P2P and get rid of MT's. Having both will not work.
Nor have you adressed the issue of pay to win via the MT's. Many people who play Eve have asked about this point and you keep choosing to ignore them. Which could be construded as a resounding "yes CCP are going to implement this." Which will destroy the in game market the players and CCP have built up over the years Eve Online has been running.
CCP as a company can handle this alot better, but you seem hell bent on destroying Eve with your own greed.
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Cyntharima
Minmatar Redimio Veritas
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:44:00 -
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I'm out. This account cancelled today since it is up for renewal tomorrow and there's no answer yet about P2W crap.
Another account goes the 4th, another in August and the last in October. But this character has the most SP by far, so I'm not sure I'll even play the others much as I wait for them to go.
Sort of makes me wish I never played this game because I did so as a long-term entertainment investment. I expected betrayal inside the game...I guess I should have expected betrayal outside the game as well. Everything good seems to turn to sh*t when the bean counters get control.
Maybe this will all pass if CCP wakes up. But I'm not holding my breath, or spending any more money.
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Aiden Neros
Gallente Pax Emunio The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:15:00 -
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I really found the Shareholders article & BF:Heroes video to be very interesting and I thank those who have staying informed on these issues for making those available.
At first I felt the rage much like the rest of the Eve Community, the shock and hurt that came from popping the bubble on the fun/creative environment by having the realities behind the game smeared in our faces. Those realities have begun to sink in but I don't believe I can look at this great game in the same way anymore. Believing that CCP was looking out for its community members and were only thinking how they could make the game more immersed and inventive made me feel like the game was really going to pass all other MMOs by leaps and bounds. It was something I was proud to be a part of. Now the future seems uncertain, and the direction of Eve may not be what I thought it was initially.
I "get" the fearless letter, the microtransactions, and I also "get" the rage, the mob of masses. But even understanding it doesn't affect the hurt I feel. I still plan on playing the game but I don't plan on making additional transactions even if they end up have a performance advantage. I enjoy the game and I enjoy the community. I still think it's more creative than a lot of games out there, but I won't be holding it to the same expectations I had before. It's a business so I'll treat it like a business. It will try to get my money and I'll try to keep as much money in my pocket while still enjoying the majority of its features. Given all that though, how can I still continue to be a "fan" instead of simply a "customer"?
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Lunce
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:23:00 -
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I too am feeling disillusioned. I so wanted to believe that the people at CCP were proud of what they had built, and that that pride would translate into a focus on making their game even better. By better, I mean focusing on the many, many little and not so little areas of the game that are broken or otherwise not working as they should.
I've been puzzled at how little progress has been done in this area. Now it all becomes clear.
CCP has been investing the vast majority of its dev resources into WIS so that they can introduce micro-transactions as an income stream. It also explains why the CQ was (is?) going to be mandatory: quite simply, to support this new income stream. After all, if you don't use CQ you can't be tempted to use the store. So the answer is simple. Make it mandatory.
Why does CCP want/need this new income stream? Simply put, they are overextended in trying to develop and launch 2 other games. Sad, but predicable in hindsight.
Micro-transactions in free to play games works. That's been demonstrated. Micro-transactions in a pay to play game that is a sandbox environment like EVE.... I don't know, and because CCP seems dedicated to moving forward with selling anything and everything in this new store, I guess only time will tell.
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RaShaad Wraith
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Posted - 2011.07.02 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: RaShaad Wraith on 02/07/2011 08:05:33 If CCP keeps the microtransactions to character clothing etc then there is no problems, how ever if ccp makes it possable for people to purchase ships, guns, ammo, and other such items then EvE is going to die. The real question here is - Would CCP actually do that? After 4 years of playing this game, I (for now) will give CCP the benefit of the doubt. |
Ibis Drago
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Posted - 2011.07.02 21:12:00 -
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"Smoke and Mirrors"
Epic Fail CCP
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Kronos
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Posted - 2011.07.03 00:05:00 -
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Now I do not mind if CCP needs to find more funds for developing the clothing vanity items and I have no issue with it except one.
When looking at other games free to play or other wise you can purchase quite a few items (special ones at that) for about 15 - 20 Euros. But CCP expects us to pay for 1 bit of clothing for 1 plex (19.99 Euro) or the Eye Implant at 4 Plex 79.96 Euros ?
Guys come on think with your heads screwed on please. I know a premium rate item can be worth 1 Plex but not 4, its like trying to rob us. I would happly pay for 1 Plex and use 3-4 bits of clothing would be worth it.
But I do agree with players, selling special ammo or ship equipment that give an upper edge is wrong. We pay a monthly subscription damn it, its not a free to play game!
Leave it out if you cannot get it right. The other way is have the clothing manufactured by players in EVE using planets and stuff but make sure they are expensive and hard to make. People will then happliy pay for Plex in order to sell to get the ISK to buy the clothes like they do with ships and other items.
enough said.
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Ach4t1us
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Posted - 2011.07.03 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ach4t1us on 03/07/2011 07:01:20
Originally by: RaShaad Wraith Edited by: RaShaad Wraith on 02/07/2011 08:05:33 If CCP keeps the microtransactions to character clothing etc then there is no problems, how ever if ccp makes it possable for people to purchase ships, guns, ammo, and other such items then EvE is going to die. The real question here is - Would CCP actually do that? After 4 years of playing this game, I (for now) will give CCP the benefit of the doubt.
Thing is you already could pay ships for moeny.... in this way. Buy a Pelx with money -> sell the PLEX for ISK -> buy a ship for ISK. I'm fine with this, but some peeps seem to forget that little fact.
PS: Peeps please read the new announcement from CCP
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 20:20:00 -
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you might be able to sell a plex and buy a ship. But someone had to put that ship on the market. Someone had to gather the resources, construct it, and list it.
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Zaiboz
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Posted - 2011.07.05 16:25:00 -
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Pics of people unsubbing or it never happened
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Helena Russell Makanen
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Posted - 2011.07.10 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Caldar Strom It is good that ppl are unsubbing, canihasyourstuff?
No, immoral trash like yourself deserve nothing. Clear enuf? |
Heavenly Blues
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Posted - 2011.07.11 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zaiboz Pics of people unsubbing or it never happened
One unsubbed main
And an Alt soon to follow
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Kazini Jax
Gallente Starlight Operations Starlight Network
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Posted - 2011.07.11 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion you might be able to sell a plex and buy a ship. But someone had to put that ship on the market. Someone had to gather the resources, construct it, and list it.
I still keep hearing this in response.
IT DOES NOT MATTER! Someone is able to buy an advantage in the game with real money. Period. It does not matter how else that plays out in the game. THAT person is getting an advantage.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.11 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kazini Jax
Originally by: Major Stallion you might be able to sell a plex and buy a ship. But someone had to put that ship on the market. Someone had to gather the resources, construct it, and list it.
I still keep hearing this in response.
IT DOES NOT MATTER! Someone is able to buy an advantage in the game with real money. Period. It does not matter how else that plays out in the game. THAT person is getting an advantage.
And the guy selling him the ship is getting an advantage too. OMG!!
tl;dr: go away.
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