Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:01:00 -
[1]
Since this is an anonymous board, for the protection of future applicants to the corporation, I'll take a gamble and give a bump and some visibility to this site:
CCP Employees speak anonymously about the internal state of affairs
It may have been posted as the start of another thread, but to be honest, there's far too many threads going at the moment for me to know.
My interest in sharing this link, which was buried in another thread, is to point out that people's anger need not be aimed at the employees of CCP.
It should be aimed at the MANAGEMENT of CCP. Employees go to do their jobs, do as their told, for the sake of their families and livelihoods. CCP's leadership promised us loyalty to their customer base, and so it rests on them, not the people programming the game, or the poor souls who drew the short straw and were sent forth to be messengers of a very disappointed, and almost off-topic, PR patchover (Zulu's Dev Blog being the culmination). Even the employees who wrote articles in the newsletter (even Soundwave) deserve a place of their own to share thoughts and discuss. It's not on them.
There is still time, still hope, for things to turn around, but it has to come from top, and it has to address what players are actually asking for. Which should be obvious by now.
WILL AURUM BE USED TO OBTAIN IN GAME ADVANTAGES OVER OTHER PLAYERS??
CCP needs to stay competitive, I get that. To this day, their competitive edge is that they don't cater to market trends, and stay connected to the community. That competitive edge is eroding.....fast.
CCP leadership, please be fearless. Step forward and take ownership.
|
Ghoest
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 -
[2]
wow
Wherever you went - Here you are.
|
Dr Geiger
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:13:00 -
[3]
Looks like the player base are not the only ones ignored and taken for granted
|
Tarkadahl
Minmatar Albatross Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:14:00 -
[4]
Sounds very much like a typical cross section of people from any company to be honest.
|
Jason1138
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Jason1138 on 24/06/2011 23:15:57 its insane to sit here and read CCP employees talking about jumping ship to save themselves and then see players telling everyone to stick it out to "save" the game
if the guys making it don't think it can be saved then i think i'm gonna just go with that
"Sounds very much like a typical cross section of people from any company to be honest."
every single review (10 of them) on that page says salaries are low, communication is terrible, and management is unprofessional. That is not a typical company where i come from, maybe it is for your area
|
Tactalan
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[6]
Everyone should read that.
It's done a great job of ending my thoughts about applying to CCP.
|
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:15:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen It may have been posted as the start of another thread, but to be honest, there's far too many threads going at the moment for me to know.
LOL As if you didn't know. You must apply to CCP asap.
But 1) I was just reposting anyway and 2)You put more work into your post than I did so what do I care as long as people read this because it's pretty fascinating.
|
a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:16:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Since this is an anonymous board, for the protection of future applicants to the corporation, I'll take a gamble and give a bump and some visibility to this site:
CCP Employees speak anonymously about the internal state of affairs
It may have been posted as the start of another thread, but to be honest, there's far too many threads going at the moment for me to know.
My interest in sharing this link, which was buried in another thread, is to point out that people's anger need not be aimed at the employees of CCP.
It should be aimed at the MANAGEMENT of CCP. Employees go to do their jobs, do as their told, for the sake of their families and livelihoods. CCP's leadership promised us loyalty to their customer base, and so it rests on them, not the people programming the game, or the poor souls who drew the short straw and were sent forth to be messengers of a very disappointed, and almost off-topic, PR patchover (Zulu's Dev Blog being the culmination). Even the employees who wrote articles in the newsletter (even Soundwave) deserve a place of their own to share thoughts and discuss. It's not on them.
There is still time, still hope, for things to turn around, but it has to come from top, and it has to address what players are actually asking for. Which should be obvious by now.
WILL AURUM BE USED TO OBTAIN IN GAME ADVANTAGES OVER OTHER PLAYERS??
CCP needs to stay competitive, I get that. To this day, their competitive edge is that they don't cater to market trends, and stay connected to the community. That competitive edge is eroding.....fast.
CCP leadership, please be fearless. Step forward and take ownership.
Definite Egg in the face. Though I remember hearing from some people who will remain nameless that this was the case even a few years ago.
|
Katrina Cortez
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:18:00 -
[9]
"Fun game play is not a priority, promises made to investors and aesthetics are. æIf it looks good then it is goodÆ is an often heard motto. CCP is committed to use technology in EVE as well as WoD and DUST, so certain features are made and used in EVE knowing they will not be fun, nor fit EVE and no one expects them to be appreciated by the playerbase. Alienating the playerbase of EVE further. Objections from employees who point this out are waved away." I think that says it all right there....
|
BLACK-STAR
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:22:00 -
[10]
The last few days, I have this crushing feeling inside that I've invested years into a game for now, nothing. Having read this. Compared to the date it was posted, and when Incarna was launched... *slap*
CCP, you made an immigrant feel useless. Considering this guy moved to a whole new continent, you make him feel he's not going to advance anywhere. This guy could potentially be your best addition and improve the direction of the game, instead of hindering him in a closet and making him work like a slave picking cotton or building railways.
Great corporation.
|
|
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:25:00 -
[11]
Sounds like a bunch of good buddies who are trying to run a game. As nice as that sounds, you can't run a business like that. It just doesn't work... I can't heal stupid
|
Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:26:00 -
[12]
Wow. Seems like I wasnt far off about biting off more than they can chew with developing two games from the income of Eve.
|
Randal Eirikr
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:28:00 -
[13]
This is the nail in the coffin, straight from CCP's collective mouths.
|
Solus Starcunning
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:30:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Aiwha Sounds like a bunch of good buddies who are trying to run a game. As nice as that sounds, you can't run a business like that. It just doesn't work...
But that's how CCP started up, you fool. CCP ran nice and steady for years with a relatively small, close-knit, like minded team of people who were in it not just for money but to make a quality product.
What is it with these people going 'yeah well businesses have to make money somehow'. We know companies have to make money to survive but a balance between money, quality control and consumer loyalty has to be struck. CCP is now monstroussly inbalanced.
|
Govinda Sertan
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[15]
Quote: There is no solid vision for EVE which leaves employees with no other option than to start work and find out what is wanted by trial and error, this is what CCP means with Agile development.
Fun game play is not a priority, promises made to investors and aesthetics are. æIf it looks good then it is goodÆ is an often heard motto. CCP is committed to use technology in EVE as well as WoD and DUST, so certain features are made and used in EVE knowing they will not be fun, nor fit EVE and no one expects them to be appreciated by the playerbase. Alienating the playerbase of EVE further. Objections from employees who point this out are waved away.
Wowwwww... That leaves me speecheless.
Ok this is over for me, cant take it. These guys are ****in amateurs who wants cash. They just dont know **** about their own game.
OMG how can this be ?
|
Dr Geiger
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[16]
Not good. But lets not get too caried away, and keep what we read in context.
|
WhiskeyGirl
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:31:00 -
[17]
Oh wow... that was crazy what i just read. i think CCP needs to read this as well to get their heads back on straight.
|
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Aiwha Sounds like a bunch of good buddies who are trying to run a game. As nice as that sounds, you can't run a business like that. It just doesn't work...
That is the message on fanfests as well, still bigger and better organized corps make the same mistakes, so its not all lost.
CCP seems just to grow up finally it seems. Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Tarkadahl
Minmatar Albatross Inc.
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:32:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Tarkadahl on 24/06/2011 23:35:29
Originally by: Jason1138 every single review (10 of them) on that page says salaries are low, communication is terrible, and management is unprofessional. That is not a typical company where i come from, maybe it is for your area
As I said, sounds like pretty much a lot of companies employees. Just read any complaint letter that an employee writes about their company. They all ***** about long hours, poor pay, lack of professionalism in the management, etc, etc. Nothing new. I'm not saying such conditions are right or wrong.
It's amusing they are all anonymous though. Scared to show their face even though they hate their working conditions?
Have you also noticed how 50% of those reviews are from "past employees"?
|
WhiskeyGirl
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:33:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Solus Starcunning
Originally by: Aiwha Sounds like a bunch of good buddies who are trying to run a game. As nice as that sounds, you can't run a business like that. It just doesn't work...
But that's how CCP started up, you fool. CCP ran nice and steady for years with a relatively small, close-knit, like minded team of people who were in it not just for money but to make a quality product.
What is it with these people going 'yeah well businesses have to make money somehow'. We know companies have to make money to survive but a balance between money, quality control and consumer loyalty has to be struck. CCP is now monstroussly inbalanced.
seems to me that they hired NVIDIA/EVGA/etc.. spy's to make more money.
|
|
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:34:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Solus Starcunning
Originally by: Aiwha Sounds like a bunch of good buddies who are trying to run a game. As nice as that sounds, you can't run a business like that. It just doesn't work...
But that's how CCP started up, you fool. CCP ran nice and steady for years with a relatively small, close-knit, like minded team of people who were in it not just for money but to make a quality product.
What is it with these people going 'yeah well businesses have to make money somehow'. We know companies have to make money to survive but a balance between money, quality control and consumer loyalty has to be struck. CCP is now monstroussly inbalanced.
They need to become "corporate" as they put it. That means clear cut chains of communication and command, and a sense of guidance.
Hell, look at EVE. All successful EVE corps are built on a strong foundation of leadership and communication, they still have plenty of fun, but they know when the fun ends and "srs bsns" begins. I can't heal stupid
|
Ghoest
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:37:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Dr Geiger Not good. But lets not get too caried away, and keep what we read in context.
You mean the context being a game we have watched them run into the ground over the 2 to 3 years?
I think in context it fits really really well.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
|
Quetazoid
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:38:00 -
[23]
The managers sound like a load of racist idiots up their own. No wonder we have no had any decent content for so long, the arse does not know what the elbow is doing when bending over for the investors!
|
Teraformer
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:38:00 -
[24]
written by one of the employees:
Quote: CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itÆs cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees.
Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.
|
Solus Starcunning
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Aiwha
Originally by: Solus Starcunning
Originally by: Aiwha Sounds like a bunch of good buddies who are trying to run a game. As nice as that sounds, you can't run a business like that. It just doesn't work...
But that's how CCP started up, you fool. CCP ran nice and steady for years with a relatively small, close-knit, like minded team of people who were in it not just for money but to make a quality product.
What is it with these people going 'yeah well businesses have to make money somehow'. We know companies have to make money to survive but a balance between money, quality control and consumer loyalty has to be struck. CCP is now monstroussly inbalanced.
They need to become "corporate" as they put it. That means clear cut chains of communication and command, and a sense of guidance.
Hell, look at EVE. All successful EVE corps are built on a strong foundation of leadership and communication, they still have plenty of fun, but they know when the fun ends and "srs bsns" begins.
I agree, and EVE has always had a 'lead'er figure, but management as I understand it were in touch with their employees and their customers. Current management are so twisted I can't help but wonder if these guys would have fitted in perfectly in Bush/Blair's regime. Oh, and sorry for calling you a fool.I got lost in the moment
|
Hana Steelethorne
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:39:00 -
[26]
Well, at least when CCP craters, we'll know why.
|
S'qarpium D'igil
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:41:00 -
[27]
This has been extremely insightful. Thank you. +1
|
John'eh
Gallente Asteroid Belt Protection Services
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:42:00 -
[28]
Without breaking my NDA, I will say that link has some interesting information and I fully support any CCP employee who wants to speak out against CCP or otherwise divulge secrets in such a manner.
|
M4sterm1nd
The Grimreapers.
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:47:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Hana Steelethorne Well, at least when CCP craters, we'll know why.
Yeah but having read this, watching it happen breaks my heart!
|
Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
|
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:49:00 -
[30]
"CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itÆs cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees"
I recall this being an issue when CCP were recruiting people from their playerbase back in....oh what was it....2004-05-ish?
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |