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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:28:00 -
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As title, they all get as much cap regen as a punisher, yes even the condor has great cap and ofc they all get that nifty 80% tackle cap reduction ontop!
Its about time we saw better capacitor on all ships!! Cap is life, cap boosters arnt great with small cargos or lack of mids.
More cap for everyone! \o/ (please) http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
186
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:21:00 -
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No, much more cargo hold for active tankers, thanks. It's not like it does them any good when there's more dps than they can tank anyway. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
163
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:31:00 -
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Only thing is that the ships that DO use cap for their guns get the exact same cap recharge as the ones that don't. Which equates to "you don't get to run the same modules while shooting stuff because **** you!". Slightly higher base cap doesn't mean much if running MWD+point+lasers eats your cap dry much faster than, say, using projectiles. Amat victoria curam. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
495
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Posted - 2012.09.14 13:35:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Slightly higher base cap doesn't mean much if running MWD+point+lasers eats your cap dry much faster than, say, using projectiles.
and what im saying is that these new buffed frigs work great because their cap isnt dry in seconds like the old versions.
Yes laser and hybrid hulls should get more recharge, but the point is a healthy recharge is missing from MANY eve ships and could do with some love. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2012.09.14 15:03:00 -
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CCP Y U POWER CREEP
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2151
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:16:00 -
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The Condor's capacitor (specifically) is pretty nuts compared to its cap requirements. I feel compelled to fly the Condor against anything that goes slower than ~3.5km/s. It's fantastic against slower ships like AB frigates, destroyers, BCs, and battleships. :)
The Executioner tends to work better against faster ships. I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Metal Icarus
Endless Destruction Against ALL Anomalies
282
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:18:00 -
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Sansha loves OP's post....
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
495
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:19:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:The Condor's capacitor (specifically) is pretty nuts compared to its cap requirements. I feel compelled to fly the Condor against anything that goes slower than ~3.5km/s. It's fantastic against slower ships like AB frigates, destroyers, BCs, and battleships. :)
The Executioner tends to work better against faster ships. I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.
-Liang
dont you think the crow is left in the shadows wondering why it has one less mid, less recharge and no tackle bonus, i think it was a little insensitive to improve wasted t1 ships so nicely and forget about their T2 hulls.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2151
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:21:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:The Condor's capacitor (specifically) is pretty nuts compared to its cap requirements. I feel compelled to fly the Condor against anything that goes slower than ~3.5km/s. It's fantastic against slower ships like AB frigates, destroyers, BCs, and battleships. :)
The Executioner tends to work better against faster ships. I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.
-Liang dont you think the crow is left in the shadows wondering why it has one less mid, less recharge and no tackle bonus, i think it was a little insensitive to improve wasted t1 ships so nicely and forget about their T2 hulls.
They aren't forgetting about the T2 hulls. But yes, the Crow is specifically left in the Condor's dust.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
495
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:22:00 -
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i should re state this is a praise thread, for giving ships that have a role the cap they need to do it, id really like to see a re balance of all non sub caps capacitor in the same way.
Also hoping the winter patch ship adjustments will reflect the same sanity to the proposed cruisers and such. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:31:00 -
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Next thing they should do is to add more CPU/PG to Minmatar/Gallente ships.
Tach Maels... would that just be best ship ever? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
495
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:40:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Next thing they should do is to add more CPU/PG to Minmatar/Gallente ships.
Tach Maels... would that just be best ship ever?
LOL
Makes you wonder why ccp made capacitor so bad in the first place. When ever i talk about ships and balance its always with all lvl 5s. I remember the days when i had 2 mil sp and barley anything worked for more than a few minutes, if i was lucky!
Clearly capacitor needs a buff, these frigs make a really excellent point. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2153
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:43:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:i should re state this is a praise thread, for giving ships that have a role the cap they need to do it, id really like to see a re balance of all non sub caps capacitor in the same way.
Also hoping the winter patch ship adjustments will reflect the same sanity to the proposed cruisers and such.
Heck yeah man, this is one of the coolest patches ever. Looks like the next one is just going to make me swim in awesome ship deliciousness.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
495
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:44:00 -
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its my form belief that when ccp made the EHP changes years ago, they forgot about reps and their cap use.
Its about time it was reviewed. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2012.09.15 03:54:00 -
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It was one of the big reasons some of the ships were completely useless ... afterall frig fights are fast but hey if you cap out in 20sec its not really good is it.
Loving the rebalance efforts being made ... never before viable ships can now be taken out with serious intent.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
286
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Posted - 2012.09.15 09:51:00 -
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Not sure how you can consider going from "damnit out of cap in 10 secs" to "lolololol I have infini-cap" as a good thing. Where is the skill if all it requires is to hit orbit + guns?
They should definitely have better cap than before, but going straight to the other extreme does as much harm to as leaving it alone .. the frig class is due to the fast/furious aspect one of the most player skill biased niches in Eve .. no amount of farmed gold or years of FoTM warfare will save you from the comparative noob if he happens to pilot his frig better than you.
In short: infini-cap should as a minimum require one cap specific module |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
112
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:12:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:CCP Y U POWER CREEP Because before now, these ships were nearly useless. Some things NEED a buff. Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
353
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:04:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:CCP Y U POWER CREEP Because before now, these ships were nearly useless. Some things NEED a buff. how useful does a t1 frigate need to be? don't forget, were alking < 1mil production costs here.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:33:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.
-Liang
I miss my Atron's drone, that not-insignificant-DPS that was independent of orbit distance and traversal... *sigh*
it now joins its tech 2 brother, the Ares, and the Nemesis as the only gallente frigs not capable of fielding at least 1 drone (poor moros drone bay too - losing the drone bonus was fine, but a token drone bay would have been nice just for racial "flavor", even if it was a lulz 5 m3 drone bay) |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2012.09.15 22:12:00 -
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Minmatar Projectiles don't use cap, but are superior to blasters and to an extent superior to lasers in general performance.
Their ammo gives tracking bonus rather than capacitor reduction.
Minmatar ships have lost of powergrid, yet autocannons use less powergrid than any blasters or lasers.
Autocannons have range entirely in falloff, so there is no benefit of using weak long range ammo over strong short range ammo.
30% bonus to Autocannon range compared to 15% for other guns.
Projectiles are OP. "Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
112
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Posted - 2012.09.16 00:23:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:CCP Y U POWER CREEP Because before now, these ships were nearly useless. Some things NEED a buff. how useful does a t1 frigate need to be? don't forget, were alking < 1mil production costs here. Enough so that you can truthfully call it useful. Before the buff this was not the case. Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
16
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Posted - 2012.09.16 13:59:00 -
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I agree with OP. My Atron can fit mwd, long point, TD, rails and can use all of them at the same time without serious cap problems.
The condor and slasher can actually permarun a small armor rep, ab, web, scram,td with just a single nos backup.
I LOVE the amount of cap in these new ships.......but I have to admit it is kinda overpowering. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
504
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Posted - 2012.09.16 14:28:00 -
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Deerin wrote: I LOVE the amount of cap in these new ships.......but I have to admit it is kinda overpowering.
Are you only saying that though, because they dont cap out easily and that if most small ships could manage to tackle and mwd properly, that in fact they would just be average and not uber?
being able to do what your ships is meant to and not cap out (esp important with low skills) seems to be the best thing baout them, and considering how many there have been and how many still die, seems surprisingly balanced.
Now consider a new player that only has 2-3 skills, these are the guys mostly flying these ships, and i bet if the intys were brought up to the same level, pros would still use t2 and the newbs t1.
everything seems right in the universe. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1536
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:37:00 -
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