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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sarina Berghil
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Sarina Berghil Hell it's probably pointless now
Bingo. Fight battles you know you can win, not those you have no chance with.
Trying to stop the NEX from being constantly stocked with new stuff is pointless. The only issue is WHAT will it be stocked with, and more importantly, how much will those things cost. You want the cost to be WAY higher than anything the majority of players would find reasonable//attractive, so only those filthy rich in either ISK or cash will even bother.
Personally I'm not fighting anymore, I'm watching from the sideline and playing the forum game. :P
From a somewhat macabre point of view, the evolution of MMOs is something that I find quite interesting. Is this development a natural course due to old age? No game so far seems to have escaped this development.
And yet maybe there is still a bit of a fight to fight. The EvE community is so unique and loud that it may actually cause a few ripples in the industry. Maybe not within CCP itself, but other developers may pay a bit of attention.
Yes I'm a gamer, and I'll mourn the day business interests manage to kill of the concept of gaming. Want to buy a Rook for only $3?
Oh, the players still have influence on CCP.
If you want your opinions to be heard and considered, post in threads like this one... where the issues are looked at rationally and maturely.
Hilmar and the rest of CCP knew that the EVE forums would erupt in hysteria driven flames after the release. They always do after a change like this as people throw around half baked what if's backed by little if any thought. This in turn attracts the attention *****s and trolls that whip the flames into an inferno. Then, slowly, more mature points of view manage to avoid being drown in a sea of mindless drivel that forces them off the front page in under 5 minutes.
Hopefully we are finally reaching that stage.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Faith Leon
Originally by: M'ktakh Sorry for the derail, but in this thread, Veriokr Varekha or something like that (Its late, sorry, I mean no disrespect) alludes to standings for AUR. Can anyone give CCP verification/allusion for that?
Thanks.
Everything is speculative at this point. There has been no confirmation of anything really yet. It is all a "what if?" game right now.
If I remember correctly the reference is from the internal newsletter that was used as point of discussion. But yes speculative.
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MeBiatch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: MeBiatch remember akita your(you're) not the only one that has copious amounts of isk... most alliances have **** loads of isk income a month...
So let's say that CCP decides to introduce a "golden supercarrier" that is indeed 10% better than a regular supercarrier. WHAT IF the equivalent in ISK for that supercarrier's AUR cost would be something like 250 billion ISK (and constantly readjusted to cost 10 times more than a regular supercarrier) ? How many alliances do you think will massively buy it in large numbers EVEN IF it would only require AUR ?
it seems you have missed my point have have presented a straw man argument focused on an imaginary number... but...
10% is an arbitrary number... what if its 1/3 better? then what but even still i would be one of the first to buy it... if it meant that i could continue to hold my space and win...
what you are supporting is taking the average life spawn of a eve player from lets say 3 years and reducing it to months... because once you have everything and there is no risk in loosing, get bored of the game... i have played for 5 years... if you want to get a high sp char get it from someone who played the game for years and would like to leave...
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Arbitrator
Minmatar Nova Runners
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:22:00 -
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Another way for CCP to go would be to auction off limited items. Instead of an unlimited number of golden titans, only sell one a month in an AUR auction. I would have less of a problem with that than the other options and it might make CCP more money in the end depending on how rich/stupid some of the players are.
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Tessionki
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Transporter Ted What Akita means is, if peeps are buying uber items, just blow them up and take said items if they drop.
Except that THE MONOCLE is permanent, indestructible and non-droppable.
To really follow Akita analogy, NEX shop is like having Estamiel fitted CNR that's actually untargetable. And even if the dumb dude manages to selfdestruct it somehow, a fresh and new Estamiel fitted CRN will be waiting for him at the station.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:25:00 -
[126]
Originally by: MeBiatch
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: MeBiatch remember akita your(you're) not the only one that has copious amounts of isk... most alliances have **** loads of isk income a month...
So let's say that CCP decides to introduce a "golden supercarrier" that is indeed 10% better than a regular supercarrier. WHAT IF the equivalent in ISK for that supercarrier's AUR cost would be something like 250 billion ISK (and constantly readjusted to cost 10 times more than a regular supercarrier) ? How many alliances do you think will massively buy it in large numbers EVEN IF it would only require AUR ?
it seems you have missed my point have have presented a straw man argument focused on an imaginary number... but...
10% is an arbitrary number... what if its 1/3 better? then what but even still i would be one of the first to buy it... if it meant that i could continue to hold my space and win...
what you are supporting is taking the average life spawn of a eve player from lets say 3 years and reducing it to months... because once you have everything and there is no risk in loosing, get bored of the game... i have played for 5 years... if you want to get a high sp char get it from someone who played the game for years and would like to leave...
That's really the beauty of EVE's market system.
Would you really buy it (assuming it's that powerful) when the market values it at 1 Trillion ISK or $500 cash?
If you did, how stupid would you feel when your enemies finally managed to kill it (because, lets face it, they would absolutely find a way)?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:26:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Akita T on 25/06/2011 23:28:00
Originally by: Templar Dane
Quote: The 250 billion 10% better supercap
But, if they put that in there and it wasn't selling like they had hoped...wouldn't they lower the price until business picked up? I mean, they ARE a company and they're looking for the maximum income potential.
Despite occasional hints of an evidence to the contrary, they're not complete morons.
In their own words :
"Now, does this mean we should go for unbridled evil consumerism, trying to squeeze every single penny from our hapless customers ? Of course not. [...] Too much consumerism will ruin the experience [...] A balanced approach [...] that we need to get familiar with and that should be used carefully and with respect [...] will result in increased emotional attachment to our product and services for the benefit of all. If not, we run the risk of sucking our customers dry and leaving their shriveled corpses by the side of the road to the benefit of none."
Sure, if they get desperate because of cashflow issues, even that might go out the window. But one has to protest mainly what is likely to be going to happen, not what hypothetically could possibly be. As long as they maintain a reasonable balance in the types of items or services introduced (compared to existing ones) and are careful to price them in such a way as to NOT even remotely directly compete with established ones, we don't have a problem. When they screw up on what they are just about to add, or when they screw up on any of the pricing, hells yeah, I'll go get my pitchfork and torch and join the lynch mob myself. But not before. _
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tessionki
Originally by: Transporter Ted What Akita means is, if peeps are buying uber items, just blow them up and take said items if they drop.
Except that THE MONOCLE is permanent, indestructible and non-droppable.
To really follow Akita analogy, NEX shop is like having Estamiel fitted CNR that's actually untargetable. And even if the dumb dude manages to selfdestruct it somehow, a fresh and new Estamiel fitted CRN will be waiting for him at the station.
Clothing and personal accessories may respawn for you, but do you honestly think that if ships and modules become available that they will be handled the same way?
Not very likely...
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:27:00 -
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If EvE 0.0 works like any other game, players would start believing they would need to buy that SC even if it only had +0.5% bonus. If competition is fierce enough, you need any advantage you can get even if its only based on superstition. Thats the whole idea of the system.
Players don't really want an I-Win button, some want the fuzzy feeling that they have an unfair advantage, and the rest want to have the feeling of an even fight against those with an unfair advantage. Both will buy the carrier.
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MeBiatch
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: MeBiatch
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: MeBiatch remember akita your(you're) not the only one that has copious amounts of isk... most alliances have **** loads of isk income a month...
So let's say that CCP decides to introduce a "golden supercarrier" that is indeed 10% better than a regular supercarrier. WHAT IF the equivalent in ISK for that supercarrier's AUR cost would be something like 250 billion ISK (and constantly readjusted to cost 10 times more than a regular supercarrier) ? How many alliances do you think will massively buy it in large numbers EVEN IF it would only require AUR ?
it seems you have missed my point have have presented a straw man argument focused on an imaginary number... but...
10% is an arbitrary number... what if its 1/3 better? then what but even still i would be one of the first to buy it... if it meant that i could continue to hold my space and win...
what you are supporting is taking the average life spawn of a eve player from lets say 3 years and reducing it to months... because once you have everything and there is no risk in loosing, get bored of the game... i have played for 5 years... if you want to get a high sp char get it from someone who played the game for years and would like to leave...
That's really the beauty of EVE's market system.
Would you really buy it (assuming it's that powerful) when the market values it at 1 Trillion ISK or $500 cash?
If you did, how stupid would you feel when your enemies finally managed to kill it (because, lets face it, they would absolutely find a way)?
about as stupid as i would feel having ratted for all that isk... imagine the thousands of hours i would and have carebared to get it and would again... how does one ever feel about loosing something they have invested thier life into? right now i can spend my yearly bonus and spend it on plex for isk... but anything i get on the market people had to rat for had to make had to win... had to kill for... but just buying for aur takes away from the fact that the item on my ship was once owned or used by an other char... if its not found or made by me in the first place...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sarina Berghil If EvE 0.0 works like any other game, players would start believing they would need to buy that SC even if it only had +0.5% bonus.
If that would be completely true, roaming 50+ Drake gangs would have never existed _
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:30:00 -
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I agree with this product or servi... oh wait
Actually Akita - sadly, I agree (you n00b)
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Fakespace
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/06/2011 21:54:56
The guys screaming "waaargh, no pay-to-win, mad as hell, burn CCP" would like you to believe that would be "a win".
But you know what you would have called it just a month ago ?
LOOT PI-ATA !
So, what exactly changed from last month other than a lot of extra rage ?
... !
awwwwww, did you investment in plex fail that bad?
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sarina Berghil If EvE 0.0 works like any other game, players would start believing they would need to buy that SC even if it only had +0.5% bonus. If competition is fierce enough, you need any advantage you can get even if its only based on superstition. Thats the whole idea of the system.
Players don't really want an I-Win button, some want the fuzzy feeling that they have an unfair advantage, and the rest want to have the feeling of an even fight against those with an unfair advantage. Both will buy the carrier.
If boths sides can purchase that SC, with ISK or pay (comparatively) far more and buy it with cash, then it really isn't a problem then is it.
Especially if what you bought was a BPC that still requires the time and materials to build it after purchase.
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Zarlis
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/06/2011 21:54:56 The guys screaming "waaargh, no pay-to-win, mad as hell, burn CCP" would like you to believe that would be "a win".
But you know what you would have called it just a month ago ?
LOOT PI-ATA !
So, what exactly changed from last month other than a lot of extra rage ?
Your assumption appears to be that only ******s will buy op store ships and fittings but i'm not so sure. My gut feel is that it would be more like the nano era. I recall Machs with sort of loot in them you are talking about and nobody was calling them loot piħatas, they were in the forum yelling about them.
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Aeveen
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:33:00 -
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You make a very good point Akita. One worth thinking on. I hope everyone reads this!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fakespace awwwwww, did you investment in PLEX fail that bad?
Yes, it failed to start because I only managed to get six of them before I got bored of buying any more.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Templar Dane But, if they put that in there and it wasn't selling like they had hoped...wouldn't they lower the price until business picked up? I mean, they ARE a company and they're looking for the maximum income potential.
Despite occasional hints of an evidence to the contrary, they're not complete morons.
In their own words :
"Now, does this mean we should go for unbridled evil consumerism, trying to squeeze every single penny from our hapless customers ? Of course not. [...] Too much consumerism will ruin the experience [...] A balanced approach [...] that we need to get familiar with and that should be used carefully and with respect [...] will result in increased emotional attachment to our product and services for the benefit of all. If not, we run the risk of sucking our customers dry and leaving their shriveled corpses by the side of the road to the benefit of none."
Sure, if they get desperate because of cashflow issues, even that might go out the window. But one has to protest mainly what is likely to be going to happen, not what hypothetically could possibly be. As long as they maintain a reasonable balance in the types of items or services introduced (compared to existing ones) and are careful to price them in such a way as to NOT even remotely directly compete with established ones, we don't have a problem. When they screw up on what they are just about to add, or when they screw up on any of the pricing, hells yeah, I'll go get my pitchfork and torch and join the lynch mob myself. But not before.
BUT the entire purpose is to make money.
Gatling Doomsday = $10,000
Nobody buys it?
$5,000
Christmas sale! 50% off
I am of a mind that once non-vanity items hit the NEX store, this game will degrade into WoT. Eventually.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Sarina Berghil If EvE 0.0 works like any other game, players would start believing they would need to buy that SC even if it only had +0.5% bonus.
If that would be completely true, roaming 50+ Drake gangs would have never existed
Why not? I think the context eludes me in this case. For me a gang of 20 is like a World War.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 25/06/2011 23:36:50
Originally by: Templar Dane
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Templar Dane But, if they put that in there and it wasn't selling like they had hoped...wouldn't they lower the price until business picked up? I mean, they ARE a company and they're looking for the maximum income potential.
Despite occasional hints of an evidence to the contrary, they're not complete morons.
In their own words :
"Now, does this mean we should go for unbridled evil consumerism, trying to squeeze every single penny from our hapless customers ? Of course not. [...] Too much consumerism will ruin the experience [...] A balanced approach [...] that we need to get familiar with and that should be used carefully and with respect [...] will result in increased emotional attachment to our product and services for the benefit of all. If not, we run the risk of sucking our customers dry and leaving their shriveled corpses by the side of the road to the benefit of none."
Sure, if they get desperate because of cashflow issues, even that might go out the window. But one has to protest mainly what is likely to be going to happen, not what hypothetically could possibly be. As long as they maintain a reasonable balance in the types of items or services introduced (compared to existing ones) and are careful to price them in such a way as to NOT even remotely directly compete with established ones, we don't have a problem. When they screw up on what they are just about to add, or when they screw up on any of the pricing, hells yeah, I'll go get my pitchfork and torch and join the lynch mob myself. But not before.
BUT the entire purpose is to make money.
Gatling Doomsday = $10,000
Nobody buys it?
$5,000
Christmas sale! 50% off
I am of a mind that once non-vanity items hit the NEX store, this game will degrade into WoT. Eventually.
WOT (fun game) does not have a player run economy to provide a balancing mechanism. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 25/06/2011 23:37:53
Originally by: Akita T But one has to protest mainly what is likely to be going to happen, not what hypothetically could possibly be.
Power items have been described and accepted in all the references in the newsletter except 1 half page dedicated to the poor "works in the basement, no connections, hopeless" economist.
Earlier today on the Skype chat the CCP guy stated they are going to implement the MT features the playerbase requests. Now, you are intelligent, you KNOW what they will ask.
And guess what?
An expensive (development wise) SP refund / cache of SP manager has been coded and added.
Quafe Zero was the test for gamers appreciation of a powerup item.
They explicitly mention standings for aurum. This has major effects in the sense that those who won't pay for it will be weeks behind, expecially in NPC 0.0.
The Golden Scorpion was VERY likely to happen (in fact it has been retracted right before patch) and it's a different item than a regular one. Zero effort would be required to bump the stats up in case such feature would go from beta status to final.
There are too many convergences to keep your head under the sand.
Ah, there is also a over 9000 thread asking whether CCP want to implement aurum power items or not. The lack of a simple answer despite CCP replying several times in that thread, is another little signal.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
WOT (fun game) does not have a player run economy to provide a balancing mechanism.
And how would a player-run economy balance.....say......+20% ammo?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zarlis Your assumption appears to be that only ******s will buy op store ships and fittings but i'm not so sure. My gut feel is that it would be more like the nano era. I recall Machs with sort of loot in them you are talking about and nobody was calling them loot piħatas, they were in the forum yelling about them.
Not quite. My point is that just because items could be introduced in the MT store it doesn't mean EVE turned any more "pay to win" than it already is. It's all about WHAT items will get introduced (actual advantage, IF ANY, granted by that item), and what their cost will be (preferably prohibitively expensive compared to anything similar or slightly weaker). My point is that one should not bother much fighting the fact some items show up in the NEX, but that we should fight SPECIFIC items WHEN AND IF they appear in the NEX, if those items are imbalanced from a gameplay perspective (if they have any advantages no matter how small) or if they're not expensive enough (in case they're at best identical to existing items). _
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:38:00 -
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The difference is simple, it's all in the balance of things.
In the current system someone who got a officer fitted loot pinata got it in one of two ways.
1) Through their own effort or cleverness. They either found the items and ground the isk, or they took the isk from people less intelligent or less perceptive than themselves. That's straight up PvP, and fair play.
2) They buy their way to the whole thing, but in the process they give every single person that is going to gank them 3 months of gametime as well as a chance at all their loot. This is not as strictly fair, but it is reasonably balanced for both sides. It's also a self maintaining system. When all the gankers have all the game time they want, then the buyer can no longer afford himself as big an advantage. You are buying your advantage from your enemies. This was the original promise of PLEX, and it's a system that's been broken in various degrees for some time now.
A pay-to-win system bypasses all forms of checks and balances or fair play. $$->PLEX->AUR leaves all parties uninvolved except for the buyer and CCP (who pads their wallets directly) It is a 'power faucet' with no sink, you are buying your advantage straight from CCP. The ganker now gets no piece of the transaction, and now has to earn their ship, abilities, and earn an additional 70USD in PLEX/ISK worth in order to stand on equal footing in the Alliance Monocle Staring Contest. If they don't then they are left with uneven footing and no other compensation.
This doesn't even take into account the likely nature of many of these pay-to-win items. Skill booster and attribute enhancers, premium drugs, bind-on-equip or whatever else kind of nonsense they are. The same things that will keep these items a viable, renewable source of $$ squeezing will make them unavailable in a loot drop. Not all, but certainly not enough to equal the amount of "loot" that went into the "pinata" in the first place.
This is the way that games are going today, this is a successful way to make money (even lots of it) but this is fundamentally incompatible with the culture that "we" have grown to love in this "game" we play. "We" don't want to see this gem of uniqueness (as rough as it may be) to be lost to the hoards of "what everyone else is doing"
Balancing things by "expensive" has proven time and time again to be an utter and absolute failure. Don't think that CCP will be willing to go "ha ha! tax the rich!" with it. They will find ("evolve" lol) the balance of highest profit, this is not the same as a balanced game. Then add on the fact that no one will buy an advantage if they feel like their not getting one. So if your average talentless hack (with money!) isn't going to get enough of an edge for their $ over anyone without then they won't buy the goods. Once again your balancing for highest profit, and the subtle balance between player skill and character skill has to be completely broken.
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 25/06/2011 23:39:57
Originally by: Zarlis Your assumption appears to be that only ******s will buy op store ships and fittings but i'm not so sure. My gut feel is that it would be more like the nano era. I recall Machs with sort of loot in them you are talking about and nobody was calling them loot piħatas, they were in the forum yelling about them.
Not quite.
My point is that just because items could be introduced in the MT store it doesn't mean EVE turned any more "pay to win" than it already is. It's all about WHAT items will get introduced (actual advantage, IF ANY, granted by that item), and what their cost will be (preferably prohibitively expensive compared to anything similar or slightly weaker).
My point is also that one should not bother much fighting the fact some items show up in the NEX, but that we should fight SPECIFIC items WHEN AND IF they are about to appear in the NEX, if those items are imbalanced from a gameplay perspective (if they have any advantages no matter how small) or if they're not expensive enough (in case they're at best identical to existing items).
Didn't we agree that, that fight couldn't be won?
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:41:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Templar Dane
Originally by: Ranger 1
WOT (fun game) does not have a player run economy to provide a balancing mechanism.
And how would a player-run economy balance.....say......+20% ammo?
Because that ammo would be freely available to everyone on the resale market as well. If it's available to everyone, at what market forces determine is a fair price, it's not really an advantage to anyone is it?
You'll also notice that when it comes to weapons (tanks) WOT is careful never to the the most powerful items be available only for cash. Only items that are "different", or "cool", or "classic"... never the most powerful or destructive.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sarina Berghil Didn't we agree that, that fight couldn't be won?
You can't fight their introduction, true, but you can at least TRY to fight the stats (by showing that they're going to screw up stuff and ask for a slight rebalance) and/or fight the prices they're sold at (always asking for the sales price to go UP, not down). _
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:48:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Akita T And I can get a State Raven with full Estamel gear RIGHT NOW. I wasn't a top tier PvPer either.
There are only a small number of Raven State Issues in the game. Can you show me 51 Raven State Issues that could be bought today? As CCP progresses with introducing new items and bringing the prices of old items down (after their "introductory pricing" stage), we'll have to see ships worth buying. Otherwise people won't buy them. If people aren't buying them, it's not worth having them in the store. These won't be mere collector's items, they'll be consumables - that's what CCP has said by what they didn't say in that "dev blog" about microtransactions.
Yes, they will be loot piħatas.
This doesn't change the fact that microtransactions will kill the player-driven economy. The economy is about lack of convenience. Microtransactions are about ultimate convenience. While the initial offering in the NeX is about "luxury" items, it is only being used as a wedge to buy player acceptance of the NeX.
It's not about "he won" it's about player-built items like the Navy Raven or Golem losing value since people interested in ultimate missioning boats can simply buy a State Raven for a few dollars. The Navy Raven bought with ISK means that not only did the RMTing item-collector buy a ship, but someone else got a bucket load of ISK with which to fund their further activities.
Basic supply and demand, Akita T.
Having said all that, they will be extremely attractive loot piħatas simply because they represent what the players loathe about CCP. Golden ships will be the lying, deceit and treachery of CCP towards its playerbase made incarnate.
But then, Pandemic Legion's Thundercat fleets were giving nullsec denizens trouble. What will happen when they are flying golden tengus firing golden missiles, thus giving them an extra 2% range and 2% DPS over what is currently possible?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I am not denying the fact that the HAVING the possibility to do something like that would damage EVE to an extent. I am merely disputing the fact that it would really be such a big deal, if properly implemented (i.e. everything in the NEX would be far more expensive if translated into ISK than the corresponding "regular" items).
I've highlighted the gigantic if in your statement. You of all people should know that CCP are hilariously inept regarding their own economy; what makes you think they'd properly implement something like this?
The better counterargument, though, is that CCP have nearly zero incentive to set their prices for this hypothetical NeX pimpgear above market value for similar items, and a huge financial incentive to set it below market value (if theirs is cheaper, guess who gets the sale?). _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Akita T I am not denying the fact that the HAVING the possibility to do something like that would damage EVE to an extent. I am merely disputing the fact that it would really be such a big deal, if properly implemented (i.e. everything in the NEX would be far more expensive if translated into ISK than the corresponding "regular" items).
I've highlighted the gigantic if in your statement. You of all people should know that CCP are hilariously inept regarding their own economy; what makes you think they'd properly implement something like this?
The better counterargument, though, is that CCP have nearly zero incentive to set their prices for this hypothetical NeX pimpgear above market value for similar items, and a huge financial incentive to set it below market value (if theirs is cheaper, guess who gets the sale?).
... because purposefully killing the market they so painstakingly set up, and destroying their own game, makes sooo much financial sense.
Again, not likely.
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