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Touval Lysander
Combat Recon Group
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:32:00 -
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+1
Paid my subs after 4 months away just so I could log in and post on this.
Q: Do we include ALL nationalities etc. - EVEN if they're the "other side". Do we have Eve players who might be deemed as "enemies of the state"?
I think what I'm asking is if the memorial is to ~Eve players~ who have died in the line of duty regardless of who he fought for?
Who decides?
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Rixx Javix
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:04:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:+1
Paid my subs after 4 months away just so I could log in and post on this.
Q: Do we include ALL nationalities etc. - EVEN if they're the "other side". Do we have Eve players who might be deemed as "enemies of the state"?
I think what I'm asking is if the memorial is to ~Eve players~ who have died in the line of duty regardless of who he fought for?
Who decides?
imo the line is easy, the memorial is for ALL fallen players. Period. http://eveoganda.blogspot.com |
Paddlefoot Aeon
Montreal Irishmen
28
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:22:00 -
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I am no one important.
I've fought in some major battles, sure.... been in fleet with greatness, been called "Primary" by greatness, and every now and then, had greatness go "squish" under my guns.
But, should I die tomorrow, my passing will have no impact on the vast majority of EVE.
Every city has a cenotaph... a place to remember the dead from WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan. Our brothers down under remember their ANZAC fallen, and Canadians like me feel a little swell of pride mixed with sadness every time we hear "In Flanders Fields".
Yes, there needs to be an e-cenotaph, a place to remember the dead of EVE. Those who contributed to the ecosystem of EVE, even if it was simply being a target on someone else's overview.
But then there are the giants of EVE:
Seleene, Molle, Istvan, The Mittani, VR..... these pilots did more than fly and fight. They created CONTENT, and it is by their machinations, dedication and perspiration that EVE has remained viable, vibrant and vivacious.
EVE would be no better or no worse off if I, Paddlefoot Aeon, had never played.
But EVE would be smaller, less fun.... a pale shadow, if giants like VR had never joined.
When one of these giants leaves us, their footprints NEED to be preserved.
In real life, we rename streets for a politician, a soldiers.... a hero.
In EVE, our systems are our streets.... and there is one out there just waiting...
I've spent a career in EVE hating everything GOON......... its been awesome, and I've enjoyed every minute. Thanks VR.
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Orzo Torasson
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
64
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:36:00 -
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devilish instability wrote:Jim Era wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:
Make no mistake. A community member passed away and i have zero tolerance for anyone that steps over the line in such threads.
Why so much special treatment? Will we all receive this? You know any of the rest of us won't, the only reason this is getting so much attention is 1) It's GOONS, 2) how many Goon members are also dev's or isd's I bet I can name a few coughs*CCP Soundwave*coughs. If it was any run of the mill subscriber like myself i would be wrote of as just "stopped" playing. But let something happen to a goon it makes national media just like their in-game destructive campaigns "burn jita" for example. Goons are destructive to EVE and the EVE Community, see you in EC-P8R!!
So much hate. How many barges did you lose?
A man is dead and you cant bring yourself to see past the internet spaceship friends he had on the internet once. How pathetic is that? |
Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
AppleGarthTech
41
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:33:00 -
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I see no reason not to have an e-cenotaph as it were - I never met Vile Rat that I can recall, but I'm aware of his works within New Eden.
He's naturally not the first friend we've lost over the last near decade - and I have lost a few friends along the way as I suspect have we all.
As much as I like the idea of the black hole/ring of fire - I massively prefer the idea of a single (HUGE) Monolith ala 2001/2010 - creation of new life and all that.
Regardless of what we get in the end, I trust CCP to make it something suitably reserved, decent and honourable.
As for the comment about sides and enemies - I'll paraphrase a quote from someone far greater (and far deader than the rest of us)
"In death there are no enemies, there are only memories and the dead"
Em. |
Touval Lysander
Combat Recon Group
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:21:00 -
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Rixx Javix wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:+1
Paid my subs after 4 months away just so I could log in and post on this.
Q: Do we include ALL nationalities etc. - EVEN if they're the "other side". Do we have Eve players who might be deemed as "enemies of the state"?
I think what I'm asking is if the memorial is to ~Eve players~ who have died in the line of duty regardless of who he fought for?
Who decides? imo the line is easy, the memorial is for ALL fallen players. Period.
Yeah I got that bit but I also read a lot of posts regarding "using names" etc. etc. I suppose my point was to highlight the error in using *any* names in any part of the memorial simply because it may prove (in future years) to be cause for yet another point of contention.
And God knows, RL and Eve doesn't need any more contention
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Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
197
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:20:00 -
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Paddlefoot Aeon wrote:I am no one important.
I've fought in some major battles, sure.... been in fleet with greatness, been called "Primary" by greatness, and every now and then, had greatness go "squish" under my guns.
But, should I die tomorrow, my passing will have no impact on the vast majority of EVE.
Every city has a cenotaph... a place to remember the dead from WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan. Our brothers down under remember their ANZAC fallen, and Canadians like me feel a little swell of pride mixed with sadness every time we hear "In Flanders Fields".
Yes, there needs to be an e-cenotaph, a place to remember the dead of EVE. Those who contributed to the ecosystem of EVE, even if it was simply being a target on someone else's overview.
But then there are the giants of EVE:
Seleene, Molle, Istvan, The Mittani, VR..... these pilots did more than fly and fight. They created CONTENT, and it is by their machinations, dedication and perspiration that EVE has remained viable, vibrant and vivacious.
EVE would be no better or no worse off if I, Paddlefoot Aeon, had never played.
But EVE would be smaller, less fun.... a pale shadow, if giants like VR had never joined.
When one of these giants leaves us, their footprints NEED to be preserved.
In real life, we rename streets for a politician, a soldiers.... a hero.
In EVE, our systems are our streets.... and there is one out there just waiting...
I've spent a career in EVE hating everything GOON......... its been awesome, and I've enjoyed every minute. Thanks VR.
I disagree. Even though I am instinctually sceptical of and generally against any sort of "out of character" memorial that is permanently placed in the game by CCP, what makes Rixx's idea somewhat viable is that it is non-political (assuming there are no specific names on the memorial). As soon as you dedicate the memorial to certain people or a certain group of people you politicise it, it becomes divisive and in my opinion undermines the original intent.
As part of this politicisation you bring up new divisive issues. Who deserves to be memorialised and why? How big of an impact on the game did they have to make? How do you measure the impact they had? Who has the final say on who gets memorialised? CCP? CCP have long had a policy of remaining neutral on all issues of politics or favouritism (I admit they have partially broken that policy recently with their community spotlight, but they have been extremely careful as to who they choose so far so as to not be seen as politically motivated decisions). Could the CSM make the decision? Well the CSM is all about politics and personal or alliance specific agendas, no matter how much some of them may deny it.
These same sorts of issues arise in the real world in regards to the military memorials that you mentioned. Military memorials are by definition political and raise the deaths of soldiers above the deaths of other citizens. But the big difference is that in the real world local groups can get together to make their own memorials with the help of local governments. So if they want to, medical organisations could fundraise and organise a memorial to all deceased medical staff. Or bus drivers could organise a memorial to deceased bus drivers.
But in EVE this memorial will have to be not only OK'd by CCP but then created and implemented by CCP. And CCP are neither a political body nor a governmental body. I very much doubt they would ever implement (and hope that they don't) a memorial to specific players.
So I think Rixx's idea is the best chance for people who want to see some sort of memorial implemented in the game. Non-political, no favouritism and mostly lore friendly.
I also disagree that the big names in EVE are more important to the life and content of the game than the average user, but this post has already turned into a wall of text and that would be getting into a whole other discussion.
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Akatsiya
Adversity. No Remorse.
115
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:47:00 -
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This is a great idea.
Would be really nice to honor the memory of all fallen capsuleers.
Rixx Javix idea is great and i think would be perfect, we just need to find the perfect place for it.
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Rixx Javix
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:08:00 -
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[ Originally posted on Eveoganda ]
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Jita
News has spread rapidly throughout New Eden of a recent Capsuleer discovery of a new System and a strange but beautiful steller phenomenon, which is rapidly becoming known as the Ring of Fire. Eveoganda is the first news source to receive confirmation of this discovery and spoke to Wormhole explorer and Capsuleer Morgan Bigbutte in Jita.
"We were just probin' a new Wormhole, like usual," Bigbutte said from his Captain's Quarters in Jita, "we didn't expect anything unusual." He paused as if to catch his breath before continuing, "But the readings were off the charts, an exit hole unlike anything we'd seen before. It was massive. So we sent one of the younger pilots thru, y'know, in case it was dangerous..." He shakes his head and laughs to himself. "It wasn't long before we all went thru. The System we came out in wasn't on any of the charts... it's a new System."
The System he speaks of has now been designated as VR-0912 and is located at the far end of Tribute. But the new System isn't the most exciting discovery. "The entire System is empty, nothing but blackness, except for a massive black hole devouring a Red Giant star... it is eating the Star from the inside... I've never seen anything like it in all my years."
Caldarian Astrophysics Professor and Explorer Canton Hope explains, "From what we've been able to determine from our expedition, this is an 'exit gate', similar to the Eve Gate in many respects. But possibly the polar opposite in many important respects. We can't get closer than 100AU from the event, the tidal forces destroy our probes and rip them to pieces. But what we do know is the event is the largest we've seen since the Eve Gate."
The 'event' which is now known as the Ring of Fire, has been taken up in a popular Capsuleer movement that is gaining widespread support from all four Empires as a memorial to fallen Capsuleer pilots. The Amarrian Empire has already issued an official declaration of support and it seems the Caldari might not be far behind. Although the Amarrian declaration contains much religious overtones, it is primarily a political document. Gaining Capsuleer support is critical to each of the Empires.
Wanton Disregard, the young Capsuleer who was the first to see the Ring of Fire, explains, "It is simply the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It was almost a religious experience, you can't help yourself. I immediately thought about the friends I've lost, the immortals who will never return."
Will the Ring of Fire become a permanent memorial? Only time will tell. http://eveoganda.blogspot.com |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:22:00 -
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Rixx Javix wrote:[ Originally posted on Eveoganda ] Ring of Fire
Morgan Bigbutte
"[...]just probin' a new Wormhole, like usual," Bigbutte said
"exit hole unlike anything we'd seen before. It was massive."
"[...] the tidal forces destroy our probes and rip them to pieces. But what we do know is the event is the largest we've seen since the Eve Gate."
"It is simply the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It was almost a religious experience, you can't help yourself. I immediately thought about the friends I've lost, the immortals who will never return."
I can only think about Goatse. |
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Kalaratiri
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
247
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:19:00 -
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Rixx Javix wrote:Laktos wrote:It's certainly a nice sentiment.
However, I would be interested to hear your reasoning Rixx as to how it would fit with in the current lore of EVE. Why would immortal capsuleers with a permanent supply of clones need a memorial to the dead? From what I can gather from your OP you did not address this question specifically. Though I am very tired here so sorry if I missed it. I'm no expert on lore. Having said that, within the game itself there must be times when Capsuleers do not get re-cloned and actually perish. There has to be, to explain why "real world" death causes the immortal Capsuleer never to return. This is different than players who de-sub and someday may return, or characters that are bought and sold. So, I would expect that the "True Death" would be an extremely painful and memorable event in the Capsuleer community. In my mind it doesn't seem a big leap to think that Capsuleers would be particulary inclined to erect some type of memorial in their honor. OR - They simply happen upon a natural phenonenom that they deem worthy of symbolizing such a memorial. Which is kind of what I have proposed. Apologies for the typos, writing on my phone.
Being killed while outside the capsule can kill a capsuleer. They can survive it, if they have a 'softclone', which rather than having their consciousness transferred to it instantly, is more like a backup. A previous save. It's not up to date, and, if it's been a while since it was updated, they may have no memory of large periods of time.
Of course, if there is no softclone at all.. then thats it. |
Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:38:00 -
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+1. I support this idea. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
7
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:14:00 -
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love the idea |
Jakob Anedalle
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
41
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:23:00 -
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This post got my attention.
Love the idea. |
Traveller McGee
Society of Red Tape Cutters
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:42:00 -
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An exceptional idea that deserves to be a priority of the highest order. Support! |
cheese monkey
See you next Tuesday
20
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:54:00 -
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Maybe a monument in jita saying
"to all those who have fallen before their time"
or something like that... keep it respectful for sure, but making a sort of hall or fame? nah that is wrong imo.
Let people mourn in their own way, its a personal thing... not something that need broadcasting. This would just be abused and you know it! |
killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
116
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:06:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I'm getting sick of seeing these threads so from now on I will start trolling them Make no mistake. A community member passed away and i have zero tolerance for anyone that steps over the line in such threads.
oh he mad TrollorbeTrolled |
Rixx Javix
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:08:00 -
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cheese monkey wrote:Maybe a monument in jita saying
"to all those who have fallen before their time"
or something like that... keep it respectful for sure, but making a sort of hall or fame? nah that is wrong imo.
Let people mourn in their own way, its a personal thing... not something that need broadcasting. This would just be abused and you know it!
Cheese, I respect your opinion, but I'm honestly not sure what you are reading that makes you think that? Maybe this would help: News Release http://eveoganda.blogspot.com |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative Paradox Alliance
38
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:33:00 -
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I like it, kind of has a "tomb of the unknown soldier" feel to it.
And as mentioned before the ultimate light fading into the ultimate darkness has a fitting and kinda eerie symbolism to it |
Aldo Hanso
The Red Circle Inc.
19
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:21:00 -
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I support this idea and hope to see a Ring of Fire soon. I agree it should be a general memorial, as well. +1 Aldo Hanso |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1743
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Posted - 2012.09.19 19:16:00 -
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I don't think I have any ideas that are any better than those suggested so far. Props to the OP for a well stated and thought out post. I fully agree with the OP in every way. There are those that argue that a memorial of anything in reality is something that does not belong in the game. I disagree. We all enjoy playing EVE. That is the common bond we all share despite whatever style we choose to play and what alliance we are in. As human beings it is not a bad thing to remember or even be reminded of the fact that we are mortal and of those that have passed before us. Friends or enemies alike.
I truly hope that CCP takes some time to show appreciation and respect to those players that have passed on. An in game memorial near the EVE Gate is, as stated in the past, not only the perfect place for such a thing but such a poetic and appropriate one. We all want to return home one day... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Laurici
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:32:00 -
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Another epic idea from Rixx. Wholly supported. Get on it CCP.
To be honest, they should give you a job Rixx. They did it with Raivi (heart CCP Fozzie), and others, so why not you!?
Now help Kirith with with Moa, m'kay. |
Clone 851912
Heaven's End League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:34:00 -
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I approve. A place to honer the fallen is a must. |
Roc Wieler
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:43:00 -
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I've seen such requests in other games I've played, and they've been flat out denied by game developers, or even worse, completely ignored.
Why do I think it's a good idea and something CCP should support? Forget the "rightness" of the gesture, that is something that anyone can argue as perspective. To me, it would be one more positive effort that differentiates CCP from the rest. They are involved with their community. They listen to their community. They care.
It's not all about bottom line and profit margins. Sometimes it is about the rightness. Never start a fight you can win.
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Rixx Javix
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:15:00 -
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Laurici wrote: To be honest, they should give you a job Rixx. They did it with Raivi (heart CCP Fozzie), and others, so why not you!?
+1 to this idea!! http://eveoganda.blogspot.com |
Somani MacLeod
Secutor Corporation Per Flamma Exorior
7
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Posted - 2012.09.20 00:23:00 -
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Rixx Javix wrote:Laurici wrote: To be honest, they should give you a job Rixx. They did it with Raivi (heart CCP Fozzie), and others, so why not you!?
+1 to this idea!!
remember me when you get hired! i request a small panda plushie on the couch of every caldari captains quarters.....i'd also settle for it being on the mattress/bed |
Cyprus Black
Perkone Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:09:00 -
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There's only one "Ring of Fire" I know of and I have to take medication to suppress it. That or sit on an inflatable donut. Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
42
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Posted - 2012.09.20 21:34:00 -
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Absolutely support this idea of Rixx's +1 |
Swearte Widfarend
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
200
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Posted - 2012.09.22 12:00:00 -
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I see you've overcome your forumfear Rixx.
I like the ring of fire idea, as long as it's in a deep dead end losec system like the EVE Gate is.
It needs to be deep enough that the casual ganking pirate/gang will need to travel at least 9-10 jumps each way (as will visitors). If there is a system like New Eden elsewhere on the map (on the opposite end is a nice touch) that would be a good point.
Supported +1 Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth. |
Rixx Javix
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.09.22 12:32:00 -
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Swearte Widfarend wrote:I see you've overcome your forumfear Rixx.
It wasn't "fear" exactly, more like aversion. But, granted, it does have its uses. http://eveoganda.blogspot.com |
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