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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:21:00 -
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Implementing microtransactions such that they don't compete with the market, or undermine the players role in the market, are perfectly acceptable.
Implementing Aurum in a manner similar to Loyalty Points would be perfectly acceptable.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:23:00 -
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Well yeah, that would be fine.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 26/06/2011 04:28:25
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Well yeah, that would be fine.
So you're all jumping to conclusions with the "gold ammo and overpowered ships for Aurum" arguments and conspiracy theories? You can freely admit that?
If CCP wants to break-away from the vanity item microtransactions model, then this would likely be the path they take. It offers the benefit of allowing players to purchase in-game usable items, but at the same time, it doesn't compete with the market.
Trade some regular ammo, plus some Aurum, get some faction ammo. The regular ammo still came from the players. No different to how Loyalty Points now work. You just skip the missioning part, which has no impact on the game, whether you mission or not.
Everyone can have their cake and eat it too.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:44:00 -
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Sigh.
I suppose people would rather hang on to their wild conspiracy theories than see a system that could actually work, allowing CCP and the players to have what they want. A microtransaction system that does not break the sandbox, does not mess with the market.
The market is the one untouchable in EVE. Break that and the game collapses.
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Misslepuncher
Maritime Interdiction Sobriety Test Failures
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:46:00 -
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Uh I had an idea similar to this. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538507
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 26/06/2011 04:51:37
Originally by: Misslepuncher Uh I had an idea similar to this. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538507
Then we are both awesome. Although, you were awesome first. :)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/06/2011 04:52:38
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Implementing Aurum in a manner similar to Loyalty Points would be perfectly acceptable.
That was kind of the whole plan from the start, have AUR be just like LPs, only made out of PLEX bits instead of accrued through "work".
But they have incompetent coders that are incapable of doing some copypasta of the LP shop and reskinning it with the NEX looks. That, or leadership insisting on a rewrite from scratch. Maybe with good reason, maybe not.
Basically, they're not there yet, but that's what the NEX was supposed to be, and what it probably will actually be.
Then again, even if it wouldn't, that wouldn't be THAT tragic either. Not really, anyway.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:52:00 -
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Stating the obvious will only confuse the mob.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:56:00 -
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This was your first statement,
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Implementing microtransactions such that they don't compete with the market, or undermine the players role in the market, are perfectly acceptable.
Implementing Aurum in a manner similar to Loyalty Points would be perfectly acceptable.
And it is not the same as your idea,
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Trade some regular ammo, plus some Aurum, get some faction ammo. The regular ammo still came from the players. No different to how Loyalty Points now work. You just skip the missioning part, which has no impact on the game, whether you mission or not.
This is false. If people don't have to run missions for faction ammo, then they don't need to buy their mission ship, just the PVP ship. No salvage, no ninja can grabbers, no reprocessors competing with the miners. Those who do run missions and buy faction ammo to sell it, now have to compete with Aurum.
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Galding
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Galding on 26/06/2011 05:01:41 Edited by: Galding on 26/06/2011 05:01:01 Wait what? But the current plans for pay to win it would be EXACTLY like the LP store. Deposit Item+AUR, maybe some ISK and pop out a better item.
Except players don't have to run missions to get AUR, they open their wallets.
Missioning has a huge impact on the game, it takes ships, particularly expensive modules for the serious mission runner, lots of ammo, etc. It also opens upprofessions such as ninja salvaging, selling to and from mission hubs, and people wardeccing mission corps. In addition to the isk faucet, loot, etc. from missioning. |
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Galding Except players don't have to run missions to get AUR, they open their wallets.
Missioning has a huge impact on the game, it takes ships, particularly expensive modules, lots of ammo, etc. It also opens upprofessions such as ninja salvaging, selling to and from mission hubs, and people wardeccing mission corps. In addition to the isk faucet, loot, etc. from missioning.
Missioning would not vanish. A large majority of players would be still doing it.
And the players that skip missioning to buy items with Aurum rather than Loyalty Points, they'll be off PvPing, contributing to the economy in that way.
The game sees very little effect either way.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 26/06/2011 05:06:30
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Trade some regular ammo, plus some Aurum, get some faction ammo. The regular ammo still came from the players. No different to how Loyalty Points now work. You just skip the missioning part, which has no impact on the game, whether you mission or not.
Not like the PVE content that isnt wormholes or incursions is anything to be proud of, but it does compete with the pve players, more specifically their LP income.
I really think it should stay purely cosmetic as far as in-space items are concerned, and work with blueprints that require regular t1 items as a baseline.
Its not like there isnt room to fill a few years worth of updates to the vanity shop with all different kinds of ship skins anyway.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Trade some regular ammo, plus some Aurum, get some faction ammo. The regular ammo still came from the players. No different to how Loyalty Points now work. You just skip the missioning part, which has no impact on the game, whether you mission or not.
This is false. If people don't have to run missions for faction ammo, then they don't need to buy their mission ship, just the PVP ship. No salvage, no ninja can grabbers, no reprocessors competing with the miners. Those who do run missions and buy faction ammo to sell it, now have to compete with Aurum.
That's highly misleading. PvPers that use faction ammo nowadays don't necessarily run missions to get it themselves, just like they don't build their own ships out of minerals they mined themselves. They just use the damned market to get it from whoever managed to get it in some other way that doesn't really concern the PvPer. All the PvPer needs is ISK. Also, you don't get LP by mining or salvaging or looting - you get it by completing missions, no more, no less. Whether you do something else when the mission is done is inconsequential. And people who sell faction ammo would only really need to compete with NEX purchasers of "super-duper-NEX-ammo" if the AUR price would be TOO LOW. If the price is high enough (and think "10 times higher for 2% extra damage"), you can bet that even if people would buy NEX-ammo galore, those trading LP for faction ammo won't really be affected that much at all. Afterall, just how affected by T2 ammo prices was faction ammo ? Not really all that much... in spite of some T2 ammo being actually better in some cases AND cheaper. _
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:07:00 -
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I've always liked Akita T.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora I've always liked Akita T.
Voice of some f-ing reason around here
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Trade some regular ammo, plus some Aurum, get some faction ammo. The regular ammo still came from the players. No different to how Loyalty Points now work. You just skip the missioning part, which has no impact on the game, whether you mission or not.
This is false. If people don't have to run missions for faction ammo, then they don't need to buy their mission ship, just the PVP ship. No salvage, no ninja can grabbers, no reprocessors competing with the miners. Those who do run missions and buy faction ammo to sell it, now have to compete with Aurum.
That's highly misleading.
PvPers that use faction ammo nowadays don't necessarily run missions to get it themselves, just like they don't build their own ships out of minerals they mined themselves. They just use the damned market to get it from whoever managed to get it in some other way that doesn't really concern the PvPer. All the PvPer needs is ISK.
Also, you don't get LP by mining or salvaging or looting - you get it by completing missions, no more, no less. Whether you do something else when the mission is done is inconsequential.
And people who sell faction ammo would only really need to compete with NEX purchasers of "super-duper-NEX-ammo" if the AUR price would be TOO LOW. If the price is high enough (and think "10 times higher for 2% extra damage"), you can bet that even if people would buy NEX-ammo galore, those trading LP for faction ammo won't really be affected that much at all. Afterall, just how affected by T2 ammo prices was faction ammo ? Not really all that much... in spite of some T2 ammo being actually better in some cases AND cheaper.
Very well explained. Thanks.
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Kittel
Caldari Quiet.Storm
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:17:00 -
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Most likely the LP stores will be connected to MT store, it will take x LP and x Aurum to buy faction stuff!
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Misslepuncher
Maritime Interdiction Sobriety Test Failures
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kittel Most likely the LP stores will be connected to MT store, it will take x LP and x Aurum to buy faction stuff!
You mean just like what I had said HERE
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 26/06/2011 05:20:46 It is not misleading at all. If no one needs to run missions to get faction ammo into the market, then that permeates through the entire economy.
What the op is suggesting is, "normal ammo + Aurum = Better ammo" is some how the same as, "run missions (to get LP) && normal ammo + LP = better ammo" They are not the same at all.
The OP's suggestion cuts out all the economic interlinks associated with mission running for the faction ammo.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kittel Most likely the LP stores will be connected to MT store, it will take x LP and x Aurum to buy faction stuff!
Perhaps. That would be acceptable too. It would likely be a mix ... some LP + Aurum + items, some LP +items, some Aurum + items.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 26/06/2011 05:24:09
Originally by: Akita T Afterall, just how affected by T2 ammo prices was faction ammo ? Not really all that much... in spite of some T2 ammo being actually better in some cases AND cheaper.
Thats a particularly bad example as t2 ammo and faction ammo serve different purposes, they are typically carried by pvp ships at the same time.
Or one isnt used at all, see faction versus t2 shortrange. What impact would for example a t2 shortrange ammo buff have on faction ammo, assuming the t2 exceeds the faction by a small margin in damage and at the same time loses penalties completely?
As far as prices go, there is not only Jita prices. For example, being able to magically create faction ammo everywhere as long as you have t1 ammo ready will place a cap on the price of faction ammo even in the most remote areas of space.
Honestly, I cant see anything good come out of this if its anything besides the looks of an item.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:21:00 -
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The line must be drawn at vanity-only. No further.
Otherwise, CCP will have nothing stopping them from throwing game mechanics, balance, and immersion out the window in pursuit of extracting even more money from the playerbase.
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Misslepuncher
Maritime Interdiction Sobriety Test Failures
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Poetic Stanziel some LP + Aurum + items, some LP +items, some Aurum + items.
LP + Aurum + items = different skin of w/e item you had (IE: different looking scorpions with NO stat change.)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate The line must be drawn at vanity-only. No further.
Perhaps for some of you. Not for me. Probably not for the majority of players.
Anyhow, just theorycrafting microtransactions. Time will tell what CCP plans to do.
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Sasuke Rukh
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:26:00 -
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Or they could be happy they have a popular game people are willing to pay a monthly fee for and stop being greedy little kobolds trying to get their grubby fat fingers on every last cent they can possibly squeeze out of the players. I'm just saying.
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Scerolikk Teromni
Atrocious Order
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Implementing microtransactions such that they don't compete with the market, or undermine the players role in the market, are perfectly acceptable.
Implementing Aurum in a manner similar to Loyalty Points would be perfectly acceptable.
Duh, no shit. Except vanity only. Trade in a Raven and X AUR to get a Raven with a special paint job. Trade in a CNR and X AUR to get a CNR with a special paint job. But any purchases made in the NeX must be vanity-only and if they're trading out an existing item, the new item must have identical specifications. I will accept nothing else. --
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Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Da Gooch
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 26/06/2011 04:28:25
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Well yeah, that would be fine.
So you're all jumping to conclusions with the "gold ammo and overpowered ships for Aurum" arguments and conspiracy theories? You can freely admit that?
If CCP wants to break-away from the vanity item microtransactions model, then this would likely be the path they take. It offers the benefit of allowing players to purchase in-game usable items, but at the same time, it doesn't compete with the market.
Trade some regular ammo, plus some Aurum, get some faction ammo. The regular ammo still came from the players. No different to how Loyalty Points now work. You just skip the missioning part, which has no impact on the game, whether you mission or not.
Everyone can have their cake and eat it too.
you just hit the nail on the head, just skip the missioning part, why not just remove missions from the game, while you are at it lets remove ore aswell as we could just skip the mineing for ships part, good logic champ.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Scerolikk Teromni
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Implementing microtransactions such that they don't compete with the market, or undermine the players role in the market, are perfectly acceptable.
Implementing Aurum in a manner similar to Loyalty Points would be perfectly acceptable.
Duh, no shit. Except vanity only. Trade in a Raven and X AUR to get a Raven with a special paint job. Trade in a CNR and X AUR to get a CNR with a special paint job. But any purchases made in the NeX must be vanity-only and if they're trading out an existing item, the new item must have identical specifications. I will accept nothing else.
+1
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate The line must be drawn at vanity-only. No further.
Perhaps for some of you. Not for me. Probably not for the majority of players.
Anyhow, just theorycrafting microtransactions. Time will tell what CCP plans to do.
The majority of people who enjoy eve as a competitive pvp game will not accept pay to win, and that's a surprisingly large number of people. Highsec bears might accept it, until CCP starts selling bonus LP boosters and state issue ravens, and the price of LP drops so fast that people who don't throw hundreds of dollars into the game can't even make any money _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
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