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cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:20:00 - [1] There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:21:00 - [2] CCP alt spotted ?
Divus Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 - [3] Do I spot protest in your post OP? -------------------------------------------------
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Elienore on 26/06/2011 14:22:43 Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 CCP alt spotted ? Not necessarily, this have been raised a couple of times already. Some more argumentative and convincing than others. Also, very weak comeback. EDIT: Trolling is part of the forum xD
Fire Watch	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 - [5] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 CCP alt spotted ? nah.. just a delusional fanboi.
Nimbat	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 - [6] Hello Mr. Self Important, The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself. Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner.
Alpine 69 Rubbish Superheroes	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 - [7] This "tiny" percentage you speak of is actually the majority of players. Also, stop posting you dirty alt, you've posted the exact same thread more or less as well yesterday. Will write and sing songs for stuff.
Lader Atavuli	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:22:00 - [8] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 CCP alt spotted ? You are very close, but missed.
Yabba Addict	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:23:00 - [9] So according to rule #3 you should be banned too right? Subscription 2.0 û the future is TODAY!
Dr Geiger	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:23:00 - [10] He's right. Lets all go home and let CCP kill the game we love.

Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:23:00 - [11] The biggest thing wrong at this time is CCP don't seem to know what to do.
Kahldor	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:24:00 - [12] Sounds to me like you are protesting the protesters.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:24:00 - [13] What's with the rush? We have already cancelled our subscriptions... --------
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:24:00 - [14] Move to a country that embraces censorship or another game that does. It isn't because of Monocles FFS.
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:25:00 - [15] Sorry, Eve used to be a sandbox game. I didn't realize. On a side note, as we have been told if our computers don't work with the new patch, maybe CCP should upgrade its software and contact its ISP if they are having issues.
Vasiliy Jopodirkin	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:25:00 - [16] Dirka dirka mohamed jihad.
Torothanax	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:26:00 - [17] If you protest, you should be banned? What, are you a fascist is training? ---- "...I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say." Just because a lot of people are stupid, doesn't mean we all are.
M14D	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Fire Watch Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 CCP alt spotted ? nah.. just a delusional fanboi. You're all so predictable, I love it. A sociologist-dream, these forums. But I agree with OP, please ban the protesters, but not after giving them a monocle first. Just to pee 'em off.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/06/2011 14:27:08 It would be great if CCP cleaned up this garbage heap of an MMO forum. They are the reason why it has gotten so out of hand... no enforcing of even the most basic rules.
Scarlet des Loupes Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:27:00 - [20] Devic Ryan alt spotted?

Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Torothanax If you protest, you should be banned? What, are you a fascist is training? Eh, it's kinda clear he means the people who are creating lag and all... y'know... forcing Jita to its limit and try to shut down nodes and whatnot :l
Conrad Lionhart Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:28:00 - [22] I have read the newsletter, and can believe that it is still an on-going discussion. There is even a "YES" vs "NO" debate on the 2nd page. If adding in-game items through the AUR store is a confirmed deal, why even bother with the yes vs no pretense? They should just go more in-depth on how to scam the customers. Even if by some chance this is true, I am indeed worried about the effects on the economy, because currently I play by PLEX. I would be unhappy, and I would voice my disapproval COHERENTLY on the forums, telling CCP not to go ahead with it. On the other hand, these other people voice their disapproval not through proper dialogue, but through sabotaging Jita. Why would CCP want such angry, unpredictable, volatile and dangerous players? Heaven forbid they hear the next thing they don't like, and they will try the same stunts again. You're not fighting for my rights or for this game. You're just throwing childish tantrums and trying to make yourselves look like heroes by claiming to fight for everyone. So they should rightfully ban all these people. They are dangerous for the game and dangerous for the rest of the players.
Zanetia Gallente The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:28:00 - [23] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss.
Divus Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:29:00 - [24] think the worst (therefor best) thing ccp can do to offenders/protesters etc. at this point is giving them Monocles. -------------------------------------------------
Torothanax	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Elienore Originally by: Torothanax If you protest, you should be banned? What, are you a fascist is training? Eh, it's kinda clear he means the people who are creating lag and all... y'know... forcing Jita to its limit and try to shut down nodes and whatnot :l Well yeah, idiots are usually unproductive, but the OP should choose his words more carefully. ---- "...I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say." Just because a lot of people are stupid, doesn't mean we all are.
Lader Atavuli	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:31:00 - [26] A few answers to some points raised: >>>"stop posting you dirty alt, you've posted the exact same thread more or less as well yesterday." This is my main. The other main is aroon thrace if you care to check. >>>"Do I spot protest in your post OP?" This is not a protest, I am just opening to the possibility that all this rage is guided by a tiny percentage of players the game could easily go without. >>>"This "tiny" percentage you speak of is actually the majority of players." Nope, this is the false message that protesters want to land on public opinion. It is a way to apply pressure by misusing game and forum resources and should not be allowed. >>>"On the other hand, these other people voice their disapproval not through proper dialogue" This is exactly the point of my thread Conrad :-)
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:31:00 - [27] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs Looking at your three posts in half a year i'd say: Try using rightclick menu to switch ships!
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Torothanax Originally by: Elienore Originally by: Torothanax If you protest, you should be banned? What, are you a fascist is training? Eh, it's kinda clear he means the people who are creating lag and all... y'know... forcing Jita to its limit and try to shut down nodes and whatnot :l Well yeah, idiots are usually unproductive, but the OP should choose his words more carefully. True enough, it's not as clear as it could be but it's mainly the EULA part that got me on (system load thing).
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:31:00 - [29] They don't need to ban them. They've all unsubbed / biomassed and will soon be gone right?
Leisen Caldari Interrobang Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:32:00 - [30] I totally agree OP, let CCP ban all these people. We should let CCP bleed themselves dead as quick as possible and forget this stupid mess. Perpetuum Online --->

Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:34:00 - [31] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. If the percentage was that "tiny" why would it have an impact on your use of these facilities? But seriously - what exactly did you use General Discussion for anyway that you can't use it for now? For what its worth I do agree that people shouldn't be making personal attacks or flaming one another - but there is a huge volume of posting going on and tempers are raised - its actually reflecting quite well on the CCP community manager and moderator team that they haven't overreacted and tried an oppressive stance that stifled the community voice. As for the Jita / Amarr / wherever protests ... this is a sandbox game - its why we play it. We trust CCP to provide a single shard environment to play out our spaceship fantasies and scheming inside. The moment you try to forcibly shut-down a player led protest like this with gm tools / overt intervention you are telling the players its not their world after all and going down the route of water-cannons, riot police and firing live rounds into the bodies of the demonstrators (okay thats over dramatic) but lets just say that if CCP started handing out bans to people for protesting in Jita that would be the death knell for the kind of emergent gameplay thats been paying their salaries and share bonus schemes for the last eight years and nobody is that stupid. Join the Revolution!
Monstress	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:34:00 - [32] I approve of this complaint. If your momentary dissatisfaction is the sacrifice to be made for the long term benefit of EVE, so be it. Not gonna let this game go down the ****ter without a fight.
Ayame Yubari	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:35:00 - [33] Edited by: Ayame Yubari on 26/06/2011 14:36:24 Nothing going wrong with this game? fast forward to 2:30 and learn: http://www.eve-radio.com/news-compendium/eve-radio/1074-dissecting-ccp-a-funkybacon-talk-special Or here's the direct link: http://primalroar.net/er/funkybacon20110624.mp3
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:35:00 - [34] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 26/06/2011 14:37:43 HTFU? Can't stand a little bit lag. Don't go to Jita (or any other hub) on Sundays.. as I was a little grashoper we learnt that at school. Welcome to my time noob What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)
Demon Flames	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:38:00 - [35] What does EvE still have of the Oh my God factor ?? Everything in EvE is Predictable or made to be so, no suspense , no amazing gameplay nothing uterly decent to make us pay what already is an expensive subscription much more premium items ! Tell me , What is currently working in EvE worthwhile exploring or trying ? Everything is either repetitive or predictable to the point we now whats up ahead. CCP you have ruined your game years on end for not listening to your player base ! Your corporate decisions have ruined EvE Online. Nothing is new in EvE its sooo predictable and so boring. Bye ! Guys just leave,play another MMO.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:41:00 - [36] >>> "If your momentary dissatisfaction is the sacrifice to be made for the long term benefit of EVE" --> I understand your point but i cannot agree to the abuse of ingame mechanics as a way of protest. >>> "Nothing is new in EvE its sooo predictable and so boring. Bye ! Guys just leave,play another MMO." --> I do not understand your answer. If someone wants to leave, why has he/she to post? This is extremely contradictory to the point it might be considered a troll posting if there were proper moderation to the forum.
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. If the percentage was that "tiny" why would it have an impact on your use of these facilities? But seriously - what exactly did you use General Discussion for anyway that you can't use it for now? For what its worth I do agree that people shouldn't be making personal attacks or flaming one another - but there is a huge volume of posting going on and tempers are raised - its actually reflecting quite well on the CCP community manager and moderator team that they haven't overreacted and tried an oppressive stance that stifled the community voice. As for the Jita / Amarr / wherever protests ... this is a sandbox game - its why we play it. We trust CCP to provide a single shard environment to play out our spaceship fantasies and scheming inside. The moment you try to forcibly shut-down a player led protest like this with gm tools / overt intervention you are telling the players its not their world after all and going down the route of water-cannons, riot police and firing live rounds into the bodies of the demonstrators (okay thats over dramatic) but lets just say that if CCP started handing out bans to people for protesting in Jita that would be the death knell for the kind of emergent gameplay thats been paying their salaries and share bonus schemes for the last eight years and nobody is that stupid. Pretty much right. However, if said protest have a stated goal of crashing a node, then it's kinda a no-go. Again though, a fella I talked with said the protest was more demonstrative at the start and then went down to rioting later on (where he then left), so yeah... gonna be a tough one if CCP starts banning people. Hard to differentiate some fella who's protesting and an idiot who's trying to shut down a node (nice, sounds like I just said CCP shouldn't ban people) :l
Evet Morrel Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:42:00 - [38] Edited by: Evet Morrel on 26/06/2011 14:47:40 Well OP for a number of reasons, 1. how would they differentiate between the legitimate Jita visitors and the protestors? the banded players wuld surely leave the game and the loss of revenue projections in the business plan may cause investors to panic, 2. because they would like to transition smoothy between the indy game we love and the cash cow their shareholders are driving them to create, 3. because perception inordinately effects share price, 4. because the situation is solvable and consumer action such as this is often effective, even after tremendous loss of trust, etc. etc
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:42:00 - [39] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. reported for "ranting" Turbefield for CEO
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:43:00 - [40] Who is protesting? We're having a disco party in jita is all. Really - it's a fun time, lots of awesome colors!

leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:43:00 - [41] stick your BANSTICK up your BACKEYE
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:44:00 - [42] Reported OP for Ranting.
Koronakesh Amarr Seekers of a Silent Paradise	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:45:00 - [43] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Those who protest, ingame and in forums should receive the banstick
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Evet Morrel Well OP for a number of reasons, 1. how would they differentiate between the legitimate Jita visitors and the protestors? the banded players could sue, and surely leave the game and the loss of revenue projections in the business plan may cause investors to panic, 2. because they would like to transition smoothy between the indy game we love and the cash cow their shareholders are driving them to create, 3. because perception inordinately effects share price, 4. because the situation is solvable and consumer action such as this is often effective, even after tremendous loss of trust, etc. etc You have some good points Evet. Let me share my opinions on those: 1. It is dificult to differentiate and it requires case by case discretion, but it could be done carefully, hit a few to educate others. 2. There is nothing really wrong for a private company to aim to increased profit. I agree it might alienate part of the playerbase but the company could thrive and profit if it manages to create a new larger playerbase. 3. This is true, but there are a lot of ways to accomplish this without clogging nodes and flooding game forums. 4. Again this is true, i do not discuss the reasons, i discuss the methods. (oh and noticed someone wants to report me for ranting... he is very welcome to do so, and let's forum moderators decide wether am I ranting or trying to openly discuss a difficult issue).
Ender sup	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:50:00 - [45] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Never been in 0.0 eh huggybear? Get the **** out.
Minsc Gallente Alpha Empire	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Elienore Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. If the percentage was that "tiny" why would it have an impact on your use of these facilities? But seriously - what exactly did you use General Discussion for anyway that you can't use it for now? For what its worth I do agree that people shouldn't be making personal attacks or flaming one another - but there is a huge volume of posting going on and tempers are raised - its actually reflecting quite well on the CCP community manager and moderator team that they haven't overreacted and tried an oppressive stance that stifled the community voice. As for the Jita / Amarr / wherever protests ... this is a sandbox game - its why we play it. We trust CCP to provide a single shard environment to play out our spaceship fantasies and scheming inside. The moment you try to forcibly shut-down a player led protest like this with gm tools / overt intervention you are telling the players its not their world after all and going down the route of water-cannons, riot police and firing live rounds into the bodies of the demonstrators (okay thats over dramatic) but lets just say that if CCP started handing out bans to people for protesting in Jita that would be the death knell for the kind of emergent gameplay thats been paying their salaries and share bonus schemes for the last eight years and nobody is that stupid. Pretty much right. However, if said protest have a stated goal of crashing a node, then it's kinda a no-go. Again though, a fella I talked with said the protest was more demonstrative at the start and then went down to rioting later on (where he then left), so yeah... gonna be a tough one if CCP starts banning people. Hard to differentiate some fella who's protesting and an idiot who's trying to shut down a node (nice, sounds like I just said CCP shouldn't ban people) :l The protest never had a goal to crash the node, just disrupt trade traffic in the hubs which is a valid ingame action. People mostly started shooting stuff cause they were bored and it looks cool. CCP capped the system early on just in case but I'm sure they are getting a ton of system load data out of it anyways so it may actually end up being a positive in the end.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:53:00 - [47] Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:56:59 Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:55:50 Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:54:08 Originally by: Ender sup Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Never been in 0.0 eh huggybear? Get the **** out. Check my main (aroon thrace) in game and you will discover I have been to 0.0 several times and quite for a long time. Cloud Ring and Venal just to name a couple regions :-) Also... >>>"CCP capped the system early on just in case but I'm sure they are getting a ton of system load data out of it anyways so it may actually end up being a positive in the end." --> this might be very true :-) let's hope this is the case >>> "c) "Trolling is prohibited." --> renspricechecker2... since when educately discussing an issue is considered trolling?
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:53:00 - [48] Originally by: Minsc The protest never had a goal to crash the node, just disrupt trade traffic in the hubs which is a valid ingame action. People mostly started shooting stuff cause they were bored and it looks cool. CCP capped the system early on just in case but I'm sure they are getting a ton of system load data out of it anyways so it may actually end up being a positive in the end. Well, other than the sensible fella I mentioned, most of my interaction with them protesters have been nutty forum people (and they've been vocal about it, not so much now but earlier...). Funny thing is that the post you quoted made me realize banning protesting people is probably not a good idea :)
RensPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:54:00 - [49] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro c) "Trolling is prohibited."
LeroD C	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:56:00 - [50] IF thousands of people complaining about the same thing are " a small portion" then go ahead and kick out of the game EVERYONE !!! Virtually every one in every local, corporation, or alliance chat, is complaining about the same thing. Are you out of your mind to disregard all these people? Also, if they complain and down rate your game, isn't that a reason perhaps to listen to them, and isn't in fact our right, to free speech? Do you really think you will scare the people that most likely will stop playing the game anyway? They have invested enough time and money in this game to deserve the respect from the "GODS" at CCP. What respect do you show them when you say basically: "If you complain, or if you don't like what we do, we'll kick you out!" ? All people want is - the assurance that with real money one can not buy "special" items unavailable otherwise. - the ability to go back to the old hangar view, at least until the CQ becomes useful beyond aesthetics. I am disappointed.

Frederick Yassavi	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:56:00 - [51] OP: Are you really so inconvenienced that you'd see many others thrown out for your sake? Or are you really interested in throwing them out due to a pedantic interest in rules? I don't get it.
Phenethylamine	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:57:00 - [52] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Those guys with the guns at Kent State really had the right idea, man. Sorry if my paraphrasing is a little absurd (I'm not actually sorry, it's supposed to be).
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online	Posted - 2011.06.26 14:59:00 - [53] What OP doesnt understand. CCP is banning people. They just arent doing it fast enough... they probably only have 1-2 gms doing it. 1 ban per 30 seconds. So what we need is more GMs to ban people faster. The problem however is that with so many people banned and quitting. CCP will need to be firing a good dozen employees to account for the lower amount of revenue. So oh well. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:01:00 - [54] Originally by: Zanetia Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. -
Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:01:00 - [55] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. With the threadnaught having over 10.000 posts and almost over 1 million views, what minority did you want to ban again? - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:01:00 - [56] Originally by: Frederick Yassavi OP: Are you really so inconvenienced that you'd see many others thrown out for your sake? Or are you really interested in throwing them out due to a pedantic interest in rules? I don't get it. > I do not want others thrown out for my sake. > I am not interested into pedantic following of rules. My point is that a tiny percentage of the playerbase is reportedly abusing of ingame mechanics making Jita and other nodes clogged. My other point is that eccessive cheast beating has monopolized several parts of the forums, not to mention some ingame channels. I just point out the community wants to be vocal about an issue and parts of the community abuse the situation.
Gamingloser1	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:03:00 - [57] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. By your logic: All SC pilots should be banned. Anyone fighting a corp war in a trade hub should be banned. For that matter.....any IN a trade hub should be banned. Everyone causes strain on the server. Move along citizen.
Heroldyn Yhamad	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:04:00 - [58] If we are a minority why not have ccp set up a vote on the login screen: [ ] ban curordiwhatever [ ] keep on expanding on microtransactions
Acac Sunflyier Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:06:00 - [59] So does the OP get an in game ban for posting in these forums?
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [60] Because your gaming addiction is so much more important than a company telling its consumers to choke on a fat one. These actions aren't stopping anytime soon

Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [61] Originally by: Heroldyn Yhamad If we are a minority why not have ccp set up a vote on the login screen: [ ] ban curordiwhatever [ ] keep on expanding on microtransactions That's a leading poll, you're not supposed to have a leading poll.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [62] a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." I think there wouldn't be a lot of posters left if CCP really enforced this ..
Frederick Yassavi	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [63] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Originally by: Frederick Yassavi OP: Are you really so inconvenienced that you'd see many others thrown out for your sake? Or are you really interested in throwing them out due to a pedantic interest in rules? I don't get it. > I do not want others thrown out for my sake. > I am not interested into pedantic following of rules. My point is that a tiny percentage of the playerbase is reportedly abusing of ingame mechanics making Jita and other nodes clogged. My other point is that eccessive cheast beating has monopolized several parts of the forums, not to mention some ingame channels. I just point out the community wants to be vocal about an issue and parts of the community abuse the situation. So you have no vested interest in this at all? If you're not being inconvenienced, and you don't care whether or not people are conforming to the letter of the law, then why bring any of this up?
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:08:00 - [64] >>> "With the threadnaught having over 10.000 posts and almost over 1 million views, what minority did you want to ban again?" How many distinct players does the thread contains? Not characters, not accounts but rather actual human beings. Provided that we have that number, which percentage it makes if you part that number for the actual playerbase? That would be an accurate metric, not Characters, nor accounts, not even page views. >>> "Anyone fighting a corp war in a trade hub should be banned. For that matter.....any IN a trade hub should be banned. Everyone causes strain on the server." I never say that. Dont put words in my mouth that do not belong to me :-) I said that those protesting right now and by doing so clogging nodes are doing a wrong thing and abusing of an ingame mechanic.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:09:00 - [65] Originally by: Heroldyn Yhamad If we are a minority why not have ccp set up a vote on the login screen: [ ] ban curordiwhatever [ ] keep on expanding on microtransactions A vote won't achieve anything if SP, faction standing, items that give advantages or items like ammo and ships are sold via MT. Sure people can vote but if those vote goes towards those items, CCP loses anyway as people still will not stay.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:10:00 - [66] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro > I do not want others thrown out for my sake. > I am not interested into pedantic following of rules. My point is that a tiny percentage of the playerbase is reportedly abusing of ingame mechanics making Jita and other nodes clogged. My other point is that eccessive cheast beating has monopolized several parts of the forums, not to mention some ingame channels. I just point out the community wants to be vocal about an issue and parts of the community abuse the situation. Don't go to Jita numbnuts. Don't post on GD numbnuts. Don't get abused numb.. wait.. Keep whining. Anti-protester whining is actually pretty funny. What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)
Fire Watch	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:10:00 - [67] Dev blog on Sunday is all the proof that you need.
Herring Caldari Pimpology	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:10:00 - [68] Originally by: Divus think the worst (therefor best) thing ccp can do to offenders/protesters etc. at this point is giving them Monocles. /thread
Kiwi Miner	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:13:00 - [69] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro >>> "With the threadnaught having over 10.000 posts and almost over 1 million views, what minority did you want to ban again?" How many distinct players does the thread contains? Not characters, not accounts but rather actual human beings. Provided that we have that number, which percentage it makes if you part that number for the actual playerbase? That would be an accurate metric, not Characters, nor accounts, not even page views. >>> "Anyone fighting a corp war in a trade hub should be banned. For that matter.....any IN a trade hub should be banned. Everyone causes strain on the server." I never say that. Dont put words in my mouth that do not belong to me :-) I said that those protesting right now and by doing so clogging nodes are doing a wrong thing and abusing of an ingame mechanic. So I assume you would be the soldier that would kill because you were ordered to do it no matter what, right or wrong does not come into it or doing a wrong for a right reason is beyond your comprehension I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote ôThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers
Majmuna	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Conrad Lionhart I have read the newsletter, and can believe that it is still an on-going discussion. There is even a "YES" vs "NO" debate on the 2nd page. If adding in-game items through the AUR store is a confirmed deal, why even bother with the yes vs no pretense? They should just go more in-depth on how to scam the customers. Even if by some chance this is true, I am indeed worried about the effects on the economy, because currently I play by PLEX. I would be unhappy, and I would voice my disapproval COHERENTLY on the forums, telling CCP not to go ahead with it. On the other hand, these other people voice their disapproval not through proper dialogue, but through sabotaging Jita. Why would CCP want such angry, unpredictable, volatile and dangerous players? Heaven forbid they hear the next thing they don't like, and they will try the same stunts again. You're not fighting for my rights or for this game. You're just throwing childish tantrums and trying to make yourselves look like heroes by claiming to fight for everyone. So they should rightfully ban all these people. They are dangerous for the game and dangerous for the rest of the players. Ooooh, I am so dangewous!

cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Fire Watch Dev blog on Sunday is all the proof that you need. I do not doubt the situation is so peculiar that requires a Devblog on Sunday. I do state, however, that those clogging nodes are abusing ingame mechanics. Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play.
Cygnet Lythanea Shamrock Technical Solutions Independent Faction	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:05:00 - [72] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. +1 to op. I'm tired of this ****. ]
Zanetia Gallente The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Zanetia on 26/06/2011 16:09:16 Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play. Maybe. But it wouldn't have garnered the attention of the gaming press and generated bad PR for CCP. That's the point of a protest. It's meant to be disruptive in order to call attention to an issue.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:13:00 - [74] Originally by: Zanetia Edited by: Zanetia on 26/06/2011 16:09:16 Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play. Maybe. But it wouldn't have garnered the attention of the gaming press and generated bad PR for CCP. That's the point of a protest. It's meant to be disruptive in order to call attention to an issue. The protest has not attracted attention becouse it is disruptive. It has attracted attention becouse players who also report for gaming blogs and e-zines pointed to forum's articles and leaked mails from CCP. Being disruptive as it is, the protest risks alienating part of the playerbase that while agree on some points protestors bring forward, still wants to keep playing the game.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:14:00 - [75] Originally by: Nimbat Hello Mr. Self Important, The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself. Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner. The fantastic community is part of the 45k that is online right now. You should come along and experience it for yourself. Oh wait, you're probably a whiny forum attention *****. Mr Epeen
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:15:00 - [76] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. Banning 5000 people who have just cancelled their accounts isn't good for business. --------------------- Unsubbed.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 - [77] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: Nimbat Hello Mr. Self Important, The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself. Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner. The fantastic community is part of the 45k that is online right now. You should come along and experience it for yourself. Oh wait, you're probably a whiny forum attention ***. Mr Epeen :-) nice one! but... I am not an attention **, I post very rarely* and a small google search will show you that. I am concerned about Incarna like many here, but I do not like being unable to access Jita to buy my stuff becouse of protests.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 - [78] Originally by: Mr Epeen Originally by: Nimbat Hello Mr. Self Important, The MMO called EVE is known for it's fantastic community. You should come along and experience it yourself. Oh wait, you're probably a lonely missionrunner. The fantastic community is part of the 45k that is online right now. You should come along and experience it for yourself. Oh wait, you're probably a whiny forum attention *****. Mr Epeen what are you doing on the forums ? hope its not being a whiny forum attention whoring ? get back and play with yourself, on eve that is
Sellendis Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:17:00 - [79] In the near future of Nuremberg trials, CCP employees defence will be: We were just following da orderz. Free Helicity Boson
Suicide Failed	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:19:00 - [80] So what the OP is suggesting is that all the people protesting should be banned! You are just as bad as a Dictator! If players are banned for protesting then Eve definately is on the slippery slope to extinction.

Bangvang Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:21:00 - [81] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Originally by: Zanetia Edited by: Zanetia on 26/06/2011 16:09:16 Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Just logging off and staying logged for enough days would be enough to signal discontent in the playerbase without harassing those who actually want to play. Maybe. But it wouldn't have garnered the attention of the gaming press and generated bad PR for CCP. That's the point of a protest. It's meant to be disruptive in order to call attention to an issue. The protest has not attracted attention becouse it is disruptive. It has attracted attention becouse players who also report for gaming blogs and e-zines pointed to forum's articles and leaked mails from CCP. Being disruptive as it is, the protest risks alienating part of the playerbase that while agree on some points protestors bring forward, still wants to keep playing the game. apart from how nobody is stopped from playing the game due to the protests. they affect few systems, systems which don't need to be visited, and you can still access anyway.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:22:00 - [82] Originally by: Suicide Failed So what the OP is suggesting is that all the people protesting should be banned! You are just as bad as a Dictator! If players are banned for protesting then Eve definately is on the slippery slope to extinction. Nope, Don't put words in my mouth that do not belong to me! I am saying that protestors who abuse ingame mechanics should get some sort of reprimand. That could be on the line of a warning or a few days ban for worse cases. Forums needs to be open to contribution but should receive a lot more of attention and moderation. I do not see dictatorship in my proposal.
Sellendis Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:26:00 - [83] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Originally by: Suicide Failed So what the OP is suggesting is that all the people protesting should be banned! You are just as bad as a Dictator! If players are banned for protesting then Eve definately is on the slippery slope to extinction. Nope, Don't put words in my mouth that do not belong to me! I am saying that protestors who abuse ingame mechanics should get some sort of reprimand. That could be on the line of a warning or a few days ban for worse cases. Forums needs to be open to contribution but should receive a lot more of attention and moderation. I do not see dictatorship in my proposal. Yes, and how about banning people that shoot you in low/null sec. What *****s. We just make a light-show in front of 4-4. :) Free Helicity Boson**
Suicide Failed	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:26:00 - [84] How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!) Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware. Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies! Get your facts straight OP. you are a troll.
Nathanael Lemmont	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 - [85] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro I am concerned about Incarna like many here, but I do not like being unable to access Jita to buy my stuff becouse of protests. Oh. So you DO want people banned because you're being inconvenienced. I'm not one to tell people what to do, but I will give friendly advice: feelings of entitlement are not going to go over well with the EVE community.
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:28:00 - [86] Originally by: Suicide Failed How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!) Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware. Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies! Get your facts straight OP. you are a troll. Read the first post again, specifically the part with the rule. Also, a few days ago there was a similar thread to this, was pretty good (and here my lack of organization shine... no link... x.x).
Solosky	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:29:00 - [87] Edited by: Solosky on 26/06/2011 16:30:30 > c) "Trolling is prohibited." TS is clearly trolling. Irony?
Zanetia Gallente The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:30:00 - [88] Originally by: Elienore Originally by: Suicide Failed How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!) Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware. Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies! Get your facts straight OP. you are a troll. Read the first post again, specifically the part with the rule. Also, a few days ago there was a similar thread to this, was pretty good (and here my lack of organization shine... no link... x.x). Quote: > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." ^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then
Glyken Touchon Gallente Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:32:00 - [89] If they are just flying in Jita shooting things, how does that make them any different from the hundreds of other people doing the same? Lots of ganks and a few fights go on at 4-4 undock all the time, without the participants receiving warnings. If they are ejecting lots of cans/shuttles/probes, then yes, they should be warned in just the same way as they would normally. Otherwise, is the load per character either disproportionate or unreasonable? If a character flying in space shooting things causes disproportionate load to the System, then CCP really need to rethink their architecture and game design, as it is (was?) a shoot spaceships game. ______ Tippia's analysis Meissa's blog
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Suicide Failed How are we going against game mechanics? its just people in a system firing on a monument that they are allowed to shoot at! (concord dont respond!) Is it our fault that the jita node cant handle the amount of people in system? no its CCP's because they own the hardware. Plus the spamming the forums? well the post that has the most replies and most reads in the last week was actually started by a CCP employee! actually asking for replies! Get your facts straight OP. you are a troll. The fact that Jita has a cap is notorious, blaming hardware is not an excuse for exploiting a known game limitation. The fact that amassing lots of ships on the same grid makes the game lag is notorioius, this so called light show is put up to willingly lag other users exploiting a known game limitation. The fact that forum spamming makes a forum less worth reading is self evident. Calling troll someone who rarely posts on forums and has an otherwise irreprensible conduct ingame demonstrate how far we have gone with this bitterness and that is why forums should receive more caring and moderation. Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame.

Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:33:00 - [91] Originally by: Zanetia ^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then Indeed that one, I made a claim earlier that the ragers intended to shut down nodes (namely Jita), which was refuted by a protester. Got conflicting messages on that one so I'm sticking with "most people are simply protesting, a few people are being ******s". I said it earlier, and at the same time said that it made me realize banning the protesters probably won't work out.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:37:00 - [92] Originally by: Elienore Originally by: Zanetia ^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then I said it earlier, and at the same time said that it made me realize banning the protesters probably won't work out. At the very least, blob warfare has the advantage of being oriented to achieving or denying tactical advantage during a player-driven confrontation... but here? what do we achieve, a light show?
Nathanael Lemmont	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:41:00 - [93] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame. Some more free advice, why not: expressing your opinions on this matter is OK. Hey, you've got your rational self-interest to look after, no big deal. Calling for bans, though, just makes you look like a darling fascist bully-boy. There is in fact such a thing as "proportionate response". Understand it, or else the few posts you do make make you look like a self-entitled pantywaist. Do with this what you wall, it's all the same to me.
Zanetia Gallente The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:43:00 - [94] Originally by: Elienore Originally by: Zanetia ^ That one? Better start banning people who participate in blob warfare too then Indeed that one, I made a claim earlier that the ragers intended to shut down nodes (namely Jita), which was refuted by a protester. Got conflicting messages on that one so I'm sticking with "most people are simply protesting, a few people are being ******s". I said it earlier, and at the same time said that it made me realize banning the protesters probably won't work out. Yeah, as bad as things are now for CCP, banning the protesters would be an absolute PR disaster. Not that they haven't shown an affinity for such things lately, but still.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:45:00 - [95] Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame. Some more free advice, why not: expressing your opinions on this matter is OK. Hey, you've got your rational self-interest to look after, no big deal. Calling for bans, though, just makes you look like a darling fascist bully-boy. There is in fact such a thing as "proportionate response". Understand it, or else the few posts you do make make you look like a self-entitled pantywaist. Do with this what you wall, it's all the same to me. Agreed on the "proportionate response". I do not intend to look like a fascist nor am I. However, what can we call a "proportionate response"? > a warning mail from GMs? > a few hours ban? > other ideas? I am just trying to discuss the issue, I know it is a sensible one, I am not trying to act as a dictator or such. :-)
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:45:00 - [96] àbtw, there's very little lag in Jita. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Zanetia Gallente The Interstellar Lunatic Asylum	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:45:00 - [97] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro At the very least, blob warfare has the advantage of being oriented to achieving or denying tactical advantage during a player-driven confrontation... but here? what do we achieve, a light show? We highlight our concern over the the apparent direction CCP is heading with Eve. And also it seems, we make CCP Zulu write another devblog. I just hope this one is less inflammatory than his last one.
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:46:00 - [98] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro At the very least, blob warfare has the advantage of being oriented to achieving or denying tactical advantage during a player-driven confrontation... but here? what do we achieve, a light show? We both might not agree with the whole protesting thing but it's valid as long as they're just going to send a message within the confines of the rules. The main issue is, to differentiate between those who simply wish to send a message and those who wish to bother other players. Shooting at the monument may make a system more laggy, but it's mainly the "disproportional" part that I find important here, it's a big cause and as long as they don't act ******ed, I'm satisfied. However, if it goes somewhere akin to "we hatez ccp lulz we r gonna kill the node", then it's free game regarding bans.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:50:00 - [99] Originally by: Elienore Shooting at the monument may make a system more laggy, but it's mainly the "disproportional" part that I find important here, it's a big cause and as long as they don't act ******ed, I'm satisfied. However, if it goes somewhere akin to "we hatez ccp lulz we r gonna kill the node", then it's free game regarding bans. Well, on this we both agree :-) I will login later tonight and will drop into Jita, what i hope is to find the system playable.
Nathanael Lemmont	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:53:00 - [100] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro Dont take it personally, I am not angry with you or your opinions, I'd just like not to be effected by protests ingame. Some more free advice, why not: expressing your opinions on this matter is OK. Hey, you've got your rational self-interest to look after, no big deal. Calling for bans, though, just makes you look like a darling fascist bully-boy. There is in fact such a thing as "proportionate response". Understand it, or else the few posts you do make make you look like a self-entitled pantywaist. Do with this what you wall, it's all the same to me. Agreed on the "proportionate response". I do not intend to look like a fascist nor am I. However, what can we call a "proportionate response"? > a warning mail from GMs? > a few hours ban? > other ideas? I am just trying to discuss the issue, I know it is a sensible one, I am not trying to act as a dictator or such. :-) Hey, discussion is good! My recommendation would be to simply head over to Amarr for the afternoon. I think perspective is important here; none of us are being THAT inconvenienced, and the situation in which we find ourselves is temporary. This situation has the additional difficulty of being potentially really bad for CCP. So while riots may not be good for their PR, banning has already shown itself to be gas to the flame. My recommendation, then, is to wait it out, and hang back for a bit; find alternate venues, roll with the punches. I'm only being realistic. Your best bet, which has almost no chance of succeeding, is to convince the protesters that the present economy is worth more than their present spectacle. You could certainly try talking to GMs, though, if you feel strongly about it. I can't promise much sympathy, but that would certainly be more proportionate than banning outright. Of course, what WOULD diffuse almost all of this is solid reassurance from CCP. That, however, is something we just have to wait for.

Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.26 16:59:00 - [101] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro snip I will login later tonight and will drop into Jita, what i hope is to find the system playable. Noob. Stay out of Jita, you're not entitled to a playable system. What wrong is with Eve / CCP (by Tippia)
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:01:00 - [102] Originally by: Nathanael Lemmont Your best bet, which has almost no chance of succeeding, is to convince the protesters that the present economy is worth more than their present spectacle. You could certainly try talking to GMs, though, if you feel strongly about it. I can't promise much sympathy, but that would certainly be more proportionate than banning outright. Good points. I do not think that I could convince protesters. Maybe Chribba or other prominent characters could... in fact it would be nice to try. On the other hand, how do I talk to GMs? At most i can petition and add further burden to them. I dont think it would be wise for them to show up in local Jita, as this would fuel the protestors in system. I believe however it should be their duty to take initiative, hopefully in a polite way.
KwaLevu Caldari Lost in Missions	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:07:00 - [103] i have alot of stuff selling in koona OP go there and buy it i am sure its not laggy but be careful its lowsec
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:08:00 - [104] Originally by: KwaLevu i have alot of stuff selling in koona OP go there and buy it i am sure its not laggy but be careful its lowsec Cool, i have cloak transports and instaundocks, i'll be fine.
Joe Skellington Minmatar Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:09:00 - [105] Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro There is nothing going utterly wrong with the game. A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites. This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed. > EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states: "You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System." Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions To be even more precise: > EVE FORUM'S rules state: a) "Ranting is prohibited" b) "Personal attacks are prohibited" c) "Trolling is prohibited." Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions. Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play. discuss. Are you related to the Assad family? --
Elienore	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:10:00 - [106] Originally by: Joe Skellington Are you related to the Assad family? Something tells me you skipped the whole thread.
cuoredipietra famedoro	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:12:00 - [107] Originally by: Joe Skellington Are you related to the Assad family? If you care to read the thread you will notice that i am attempting to discuss a sensitive issue and I am trying to do so trying to avoid acting bully or such. There have been some interesting points brought up by several capsuleers. If you want to contribute you are very welcome.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:14:00 - [108] Those who protest, ingame and in forums about people protesting ingame and in forums should receive the banstick. Just sayin'. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.06.26 17:15:00 - [109] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Those who protest, ingame and in forums about people protesting ingame and in forums should receive the banstick. Just sayin'. -


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