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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 -
[1]
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 26/06/2011 19:18:02 This with regards to the revolution.
YES or NO? Please only vote in this thread for the sake of keeping it easy for me to count the votes. No clear yes/no answers will not be counted.
Discuss here (link)
(Although I have my own views I will refrain from voting because I started the thread.)
So far counted until post: 76 YES: 36 NO: 36. |
Force 10
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:46:00 -
[2]
Yes. |
Epolitus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:50:00 -
[3]
yes
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Eero Roopertti
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:51:00 -
[4]
yes |
Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:51:00 -
[5]
NO!
This so called 'revolution' is a constant source of amusement for me.
Don't ever stop.
Mr Epeen
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Jules Law
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:51:00 -
[6]
yes
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Money for pants
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:51:00 -
[7]
No!
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Adeena Torcfist
Caldari Dark Underground Forces
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 -
[8]
yes
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kasi hasi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:52:00 -
[9]
yes
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WhyAmIPoor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 -
[10]
Yes, just wait. If they go back on their word then carry on. Until then relax.
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 -
[11]
HELL NO!!!
What did u get? a promise to talk to the CSM's who haven't even talked to us? If the CSM's were doing their job we wouldn't even be rioting in the 1st place!!!
You are truly stupid sir!!!!
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 -
[12]
No
They expect a cooldown and then a sweeping under the carpet just like T20 and many other screwups. Keep up the pressure until proper DEFINITE answers come, and not just from ZulU, from higher up. |
SphereZA
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:53:00 -
[13]
YES
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Jeff Severasse
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 -
[14]
Let them have their fun. Eve is the "do whatever you want game"......right?
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RensPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 -
[15]
no |
Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 -
[16]
no way,
obvious stalling. we live in the interwebs time, go get skype or any other converence call tool (even professional ones, if you are willing to spend the money) and work for 1 week.
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Vic Mason
Caldari SP4RTANS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:54:00 -
[17]
Yes
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Elrin Taal
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 -
[18]
No
Removal of MT and I re-sub (runs out next month), anything else is unacceptable, cant play anyway, crashing too much in stations :(
Currently it just seems like they are gonna force more and more of this crap on us and we will have to take it, well I wont, hey is that the Sun outside? Ive heard about that thing....
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 -
[19]
Yes. That#s all we wanted with the protest. A GOOD RESPONSE!
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Raven Aldura
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 -
[20]
Yes
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Oneeyed Badger
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 -
[21]
Yes. Either some compromise will be reached and posted by no later than July 4 or none will be. Otherwise a somewhat reasonable gesture was made and should be reciprocated in good faith. It may however prove to little to late.
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 -
[22]
No. The CSM is not the community. Talk to us CCP, because its your income that goes down the drain if you get it wrong, not the CSM's.
Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Ari Suzuki
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:55:00 -
[23]
Anyone who said yes is a carebear who just wants to get into Jita to sell their Trit...
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Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 -
[24]
NO
Burn it down, burn it all down
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 -
[25]
No; it's another non-reply. We know there have been plans for golden Scorpions for aurum, and PLEX for remaps, so "gold ammo" is not being used as a metaphor to cover all non-vanity MT.
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Custard Mite
Minmatar Hootie Owl Round-Tip Scissors Club
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 -
[26]
NO
We should have had a statement days ago.
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Dea Morti
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 -
[27]
Yes
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:56:00 -
[28]
yes- the revolution either Dies or rebuilds july 2nd 2011.
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Haunting Widow
Wormhole Engineers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 -
[29]
They said no gold ammo, I hope that applies to the way we meant it, as in, no store-bought ammo.
And not just ammo, useful ships, boosters, implants, modules etc. The fact that only "gold ammo" was mentioned kinda scares me.. but I'll wait till they get back from the meeting as long as they do that in a timely manner with a response that respects our intelligence.
I won't shoot the monument or join a conga line until next weekend.
Sooo.... tentative yes.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 -
[30]
Yes.
Zulu delivered not only a direct response, but the correct response. Props to you, Zulu.
I shall go back to playing internet spaceships happily. I am prepared to rage again after the CSM meeting, but sincerely hope I won't have to.
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Muridoan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 -
[31]
NO
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Almukhtar
Caldari Death Incarnate INC Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:57:00 -
[32]
Yes ------------------------------------------------ Death walks in my shadow, death walks in my footsteps. I am death. |
Vapidity
Amarr My Monkeys 2 round banannas
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:58:00 -
[33]
No. They expect to 'ride it out' and continue screwing us over.
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Cave Lord
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 -
[34]
Abosolutely Not.
The powers that be have openly stated they will ignore words and only go on actions. Calling a cease-fire will show reduced activity and will be seen as a win for the CCP community-atrocities.
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Katrina Oniseki
Caldari 0rizen 0rizen Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 26/06/2011 18:59:53 Yes.
We've made our points as loudly and violently as we can, and no more amount of 'internet rioting' will get the point across any clearer. You don't have to forgive, you don't have to forget, and you certainly do not have to trust. However, I believe we should wait and at least allow proper negotiation a chance. They are giving us their ear, or at the very least giving us a chance to speak through the proper channels. This is what we need, and this is what we can reasonably expect from them given the situation.
Otherwise, you're just asking them to play hardball, and like it or not, if we play that... they will win. They will run their game the way they want to run the game, and we can either shut up about it or LEAVE. If enough of us leave, EVE dies and nobody wins. If not enough leave, EVE keeps going without the dissenters and CCP 'wins'.
They aren't going to bend over and lube up for us. Stop expecting them to.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:59:00 -
[36]
N-O, for DAYS now we've been waiting and ccp zulu hasn't addressed out question, ALL he said was "no golden ammo", but SP, weapons, ships and/or any other P2W model items are still up in the air, as long as no definitive answer such as there WILL NOT EVER BE A F2W MODEL OR ANY NON-VANITY BENEFITS RESULTING ROM AURUM the revolution will not stop!
VIVA THE RABBLE!
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Homo Cide
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 -
[37]
yes just be fair
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Callean Drevus
Caldari Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 -
[38]
Yes!
Originally by: Vapidity No. They expect to 'ride it out' and continue screwing us over.
Whether they are able to 'ride it out' depends entirely on the people protesting. For the moment, I'm quite content to let the CSM do their part. "A fool flatters himself, a wise man flatters the fool." |
BabyEating Dingo
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 -
[39]
No.
In case you gutless sheep have already forgotten, CCP has said that they don't give a damn about what we say, only what we do. The CSM can say whatever they want. CCP will patronizingly nod and then continue on their way with golden ammo and magic AUR ships.
CCP said there have been no plans for golden ammo, but they clearly left the option open; nobody said there WILL be no golden ammo.
CSM be damned, CCP is after your money, one way or another.
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 -
[40]
That should have been the day 1 response (minus the were shipping people here to iceland). So to be honest, rage all you want im torn on this.
I just hope they give us what we want.
Incarna, giving pilots a single room bachelor pad with a mirror and no beer since 6.21.2011 |
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Adrian Schultze
Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:00:00 -
[41]
I see no reason for a ceasefire as long as CCP will stay with their MT stuff...
so simple said:
NO ___________
Jammers are hot, be my spear, i am your shield! |
Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 -
[42]
no (mostly)
Continue light show until downtime today, /then/ hold off until the resutlts from CSM come in.
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cytex malrone
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 -
[43]
NO zulu needs to get back on and say these words " THERE WILL BE NO NON VANITY ITEMS IN THE NEX STORE" the rest of the issues can wait til next week .
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TimeToTank
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 -
[44]
Not one bit, if they wanted us to have a Ceasefire then they woulda brought a clear answer when this happened. it has now been 4 days with no answer, their entire plan is probably on w8ing for the weekend to end and then pull the wool over our eyes with free SP or some **** but then give no definite answer about MTs,
Nope, Keep the riots going strong
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TedStriker
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 -
[45]
NO, get a phone you dummies.
PPL forget so fast, READ HILMARS LETTER you fools.
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Haven Wind
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 -
[46]
Yes
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Vikarion
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:01:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Vikarion on 26/06/2011 19:03:04 A qualified YES, because Zulu has apparently committed to no pay-to-win MT. I'll suspend my plans to quit...for now. - - -
Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IÆd like very much to hear it.
Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. |
danile666
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 -
[48]
No, cause they only said no to gold ammo, nothing about golden scorpions of doom, or special gunes, or monthly boosts to epeen size...keep fighting the good fight until we get an actual answer that they cannot construe to mean something else later...
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Reto Xenor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:02:00 -
[49]
Yes, temporarily. If we get fed bull**** again, we can always undock again, and next sunday, we will turn empire into ASHES.
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INLops
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 -
[50]
Yes
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Tegrah
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:03:00 -
[51]
NO
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Noceur-01 Tiers
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 -
[52]
Yes
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Kumq uat
Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 -
[53]
Yes but the CSM meeting should be streamed or at least video taken of it so there are no false fronts or trickery. --------------------------------------- www.eve-pirate.com original author |
Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 -
[54]
NO
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Tyree Jinx
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 -
[55]
yes
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:04:00 -
[56]
No.
Pressure must be kept until we hear the results of that meeting.
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Yukiko Matsuo
n0lame Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 -
[57]
No,
1 year ago they told us they would never start with microtransactions (its ccp, they probably worked at this since 2005) and now zulu says their will be no "gold ammo". FFS i can already see this totally awesome platinum ammo with my monocle! (Its not even gold!)
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Neral Tasat
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Neral Tasat on 26/06/2011 19:06:33 Yes
I still believe there was a grave miscommunication and misunderstanding that's partially true but not in a whole. Let CSM sort this out first and the players will decide after the meeting if they (continue to) rage quit or not. The meeting is the best thing CCP could call now (no sarcasm in here) if monetization with game mechanic affecting items had either been already carved into their plans or was not yet fully discussed internally so they are as a company unable to give a short answer. I think the latter applies (don't forget what that internal newsletter is meant for).
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Terdarius
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 -
[59]
Yes.
My account remains cancelled though until the time the CSM meeting comes out with satisfactory results.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 -
[60]
The hardcore conspiracy theorists will continue to rage and whine, I doubt they will even entirely quit their accounts, because that would mean an end to their forum rage threads.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 -
[61]
CCP are clearly lying through their teeth as always and are stalling for time. They will buy off CSM with promises of meaningful null changes and whatever else they need/want.
They will never change, give all your assets away and recycle your characters immediately .. like a band-aid it must be done without thinking to minimize the pain!
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Ohforgetaboutit
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:05:00 -
[62]
No.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 -
[63]
No
He is stalling for time, those decision have alredy been made and they want to force the CSM into giving them some validation like Zymurgist and his selective memory over the Cash-for-Scorpion saga.
Logging into Jita...
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
Chance Pierce
Caldari Deep Space Overlords
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 -
[64]
no it's way tooo soon.
We plan ahead that way we don't have to do anything now, Earl explained it to me. |
Zaara Arran
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 -
[65]
I'm guessin' most of you saying no just don't want the festivities to end.
Lemme ask you this... what if they call your bluff?
What if they said they will be adding gold ammo.. and ships... and everything else? Riot all you want, you'll just end up leaving and CCP will keep doing their thing. Most will stay.
Ya got no leverage.
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 -
[66]
no.
It's a simple question that takes a simple answer, why the hell do you need the CSM to go to iceland to answer a simple yes or no question ? Turbefield for CEO
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari Innera Holiday Resorts
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:06:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 26/06/2011 19:06:54 I don`t think it will matter what people say since CCP should have already decided what kind of business plan they are pursuing. Now personally I don`t know why they have such hard time just stating that no items that confer ingame advantages or service fees on new or improved features that should happen as normal game updates like it used to.
For example, +10 training implants for aurum, corp fitting slots for aurum, super-dramiels etc. None of them are really acceptable on a game that requires fairly hefty subscription fee.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:07:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 26/06/2011 19:07:04 YES
While CCP Zulu did not clear up the issue 100%, the blog had the right intentions, let the CSM take a look at things first before we start some more protests on the server.
Let CCPs actions speak for them for now.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:07:00 -
[69]
no
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Tob'ruk
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:07:00 -
[70]
Yes
BUT I suggest instead of the online protest we, who are against non-vanity item MT, stay logged out of New Eden until results from the mini summit come out.
This is what I'm going to do and possibly check out some new mmo's in the mean time ;)
It's only a week ...... WE CAN DO IT!!
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Rikanin
Gallente The Azerick Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:07:00 -
[71]
YES
Absolutely
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Vaibhav Udar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:08:00 -
[72]
Simply put, yes.
All this raging when most of the points people want to make to CCP have been made are only going to raise anger, create more BS like the Sony stuff, and are going to detract from any real answers. They're played their hand, and this revolution has clearly played theirs as well. I believe patience is a virtue, isn't it?
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Jewelinchen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:08:00 -
[73]
Yes
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Raven IPS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:10:00 -
[74]
Yes
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Malak Alraheem
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:10:00 -
[75]
No. A change in the attitude over the outrage would only be perceived as a success at what they are trying to do. They are stalling for time hoping that people will just give in.
My no is backed by my wallet, as it is with other players as well. They will stall until subs actually run out and they can see if the players are bluffing or not. #1 alt account is now offline, not renewed. #2 alt account dies on July 16th #3 main account dies July 30th
Your turn CCP.
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:10:00 -
[76]
YES
I wanted actions, not words. Flying the CSM out there for an unplanned emergency meeting constitutes this for me. I still have a lot of concerns about all this, but this is a big step in the right direction. I'm more than willing to put all of this aside and give things a chance, if the player base isn't willing to give them a chance, then the protesting was for nothing. Protesting is to bring about change, otherwise it's just quitting, and then *****ing about what you just quit, and CCP has no reason to listen to us then.
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Wolfie276
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:12:00 -
[77]
No.
If they changed their business-plan to incorporate MT, then that is what they will do. It might not contain golden bullets or wtfbbqpwn p2w battleships immediatly, but if they comitted to the plan then all they did here is removing a moral wall.
Eventually they'll start selling more and more stuff, subtle.
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Kumq uat
Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:12:00 -
[78]
All of you people saying no are ****wits.
An emergency meeting FLYING all of the CSM meetings to Iceland on short notice is going to cost them a **** ton of money. That to me says they are taking this ****ing thing seriously. Stop being raging ****tards and calm the **** down for the week. Let us see what comes of this. I still want a live stream of the CSM meeting though. --------------------------------------- www.eve-pirate.com original author |
Aina O'Sinnor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:12:00 -
[79]
By all means, it's too late fot that:
NO
Take the: CCP performance survey
Until a better Eve. |
Hunter Verdeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:14:00 -
[80]
Yes! In this case a 1 week cease fire on the monument, quelling of the riot, and putting out of the burning torches is a good thing. No one says release the anger but perhaps put down the torches and pitchforks (keeping them handy) and wait and see what happens. If nothing good comes of the meeting the flames can be rekindles, riots restarted, and shooting begin again. Wars are fought in the field but ended at the negotiation table. Those that see CCP as the enemy need to realize their points will be heard much better if not drowned out by cannon and laser fire.
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Jack Charlini
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:14:00 -
[81]
Yes
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:15:00 -
[82]
I'm inclined to vote for the Cease-Fire. But since I do not trust CCP anymore, it may allow them an opportunity to put in place something to prevent another uprising while they are keeping us busy "talking".
So, I vote to keep the pressure on until there's been an agreement... or not.
It's a damn shame, really, that it's come to this.
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Marcos Atriedian
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:15:00 -
[83]
most certainly YES!
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Swren1
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:15:00 -
[84]
Yes
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Princess Morenta
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:15:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Sha Dar No
They expect a cooldown and then a sweeping under the carpet just like T20 and many other screwups. Keep up the pressure until proper DEFINITE answers come, and not just from ZulU, from higher up.
QFT
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Kilmiester
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:16:00 -
[86]
NO I Will continue shooting the statue until my accounts expire. |
Kumq uat
Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:17:00 -
[87]
The point of the riots was to get their attention in the first place.
Guess what? We got their attention!
Now put a lid on it till the CSM thing happens, otherwise you just look like idiots. --------------------------------------- www.eve-pirate.com original author |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:17:00 -
[88]
Yes ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mistress Ducktape
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:18:00 -
[89]
Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS HELL NO!!!
What did u get? a promise to talk to the CSM's who haven't even talked to us? If the CSM's were doing their job we wouldn't even be rioting in the 1st place!!!
You are truly stupid sir!!!!
The CSMs DO know the issues, at least 1 was on FunkyBacon's show on EVE Radio a couple days ago stating their own dumbfounded take on all this. They also play the game (not sure after this) so it is also their money. Raging gets you an audience, that audience needs to be properly voiced.
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Raku Otsada
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:18:00 -
[90]
yes
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Heroldyn Yhamad
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:19:00 -
[91]
No |
Herbert Krest
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:20:00 -
[92]
yes
Raging now will serve to no purpose. Let CSM and CCP sort it out. If conclusion is not to our liking, we can vote with wallets.
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Raz Xym
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:20:00 -
[93]
No. I do give them credit for trying hard not to lie. They are stalling and spinning so much it is not funny. All they want is time to think how they can get out of this without blatantly lying. Their omissions speak volumes.
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Quacka
Minmatar Dark Tree Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:21:00 -
[94]
Yes
Im willing to relax and give them a chance. July 2 though itll be hell on earth if Im not satisfied.
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:21:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Exordium8 on 26/06/2011 19:26:23 Yes
--------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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Elaine Eza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:22:00 -
[96]
No |
Spacing Cowboy
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:22:00 -
[97]
Yes
They got the point i think
If next week does not bring anything, we torch this ***** down until even the devs are to scared to log in
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:23:00 -
[98]
No.
While the tone of the debate is turning more civilized. We need to keep the pressure up. Keep canceling accounts and protesting ingame and the forums till we get more clarity.
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PotatoOverdose
Caldari Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:23:00 -
[99]
Yes, assuming no gold ammo == no in game advantages in MT store
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:23:00 -
[100]
Yes
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:24:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Kumq uat All of you people saying no are ****wits.
An emergency meeting FLYING all of the CSM meetings to Iceland on short notice is going to cost them a **** ton of money. That to me says they are taking this ****ing thing seriously. Stop being raging ****tards and calm the **** down for the week. Let us see what comes of this. I still want a live stream of the CSM meeting though.
Not that much if it works to delay and diffuse anger that some people are feeling. Good investment on their part since you can divide people who are annoyed into two camps: calmer and not so calm. And these two factions will spend their energy arguing between themselves.
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Evalon Fury
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:25:00 -
[102]
NO
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Rocom
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:25:00 -
[103]
cease fire? what? why? I'm sry but CSM and CCP can discuss matters perfectly fine while we voice our outrage in forums. we want 1 question answered from someone who can give us that answer. I think most of already know what that answer is but we're giving CCP 1 last chance to turn around.
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Lord Ira
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:25:00 -
[104]
NO.
It is a step in the correct direction, but I am protesting until a more definitive result occurs. As Zulu said, no more will be discussed until after CSM, and a lot hinges on the outcome of that for me.
I have heard nothing from Hilmar, CCP Soundwave, or "no play to win vanity items will ever be introduced".
I still have much to protest.
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Aessaya
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:26:00 -
[105]
Yes
Meanwhile, we should start planning our next move in case CCP fails at listening to the CSM. Let CCP think we have given up while we come up with something even bigger!
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Reto Xenor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:26:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Juliette DuBois
Not that much if it works to delay and diffuse anger that some people are feeling. Good investment on their part since you can divide people who are annoyed into two camps: calmer and not so calm. And these two factions will spend their energy arguing between themselves.
It's more likely at this point, that during the week the anger is going to recharge, not die out. It's not 2 or 3 people anymore.
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Amthor Khaji
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:27:00 -
[107]
NO |
Brumi Viri
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:27:00 -
[108]
NO
When they are unable to buy their kids $1,000 Japanese Designer Pants they will make the game better.
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Itsah Trap
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:28:00 -
[109]
yes
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Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:28:00 -
[110]
No.
As above have said, it is a stall tactic to calm us down.
It isn't a main page post.
There is no reason they need to be flown out.
Weasel words. They can later go back and claim that "gold ammo" is what ever they please.
Still didn't talk about buying faction
The fact of the matter is, they broke our trust, viewed us as cattle, and only apologizing so they don't loose subscriptions (my belief).
If you take another look at hildar's email, he says that he hired experts to calculate it, and knew that he'd loose some people but would make more money. He just never expected the letters and such to leak. This isn't about trying to make it up to the community, it is about trying to save their ass.
They want it swept under the rug, as I said above, they havn't posted it on the main page.
hildar hasn't posted
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Fire5
Caldari Oracle Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:28:00 -
[111]
NO
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Amoes Sten
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:29:00 -
[112]
Yes.
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Goatse Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:29:00 -
[113]
YES, its over now,resub
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Jiird Kert
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:29:00 -
[114]
No.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:30:00 -
[115]
Yes
Ceasefire Discuss
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Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:31:00 -
[116]
YES "Carebear gone bad" |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:31:00 -
[117]
Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 19:31:43 No
Cause thats what CCP wants. They want us to simply go about our ways. As soon as you stop voicing your anger they will proceed to ignore you.
DO not let it stall out.
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Sergara Darkthorn
Amarr Push Butan Receive Bacon
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:32:00 -
[118]
Unquestionably Yes
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Inka Tsarifi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:32:00 -
[119]
No
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[120]
Yes.
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Reilly Duvolle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[121]
No gold ammo: looks good on the surface, but why dont he say no non-vanity items for AUR? This worries me.
Emergency meeting with the CSM: again looks good on surface but it might just be stalling for time in an attempt to do the old divide and conquer trick.
Overall assessment: Undecided. Staying unsubbed until after the CSM meeting.
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Markus Jome
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[122]
No
keeping the preassure up!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[123]
No.
No tangible results, no cease fire. Words don't create reality. Actions do. --------
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Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[124]
If I don't have the old pre Incarna hangar Monday after the downtime then :
NO : continue the unsub campaign !
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kitic mile
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[125]
no ...barcode never lies |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:33:00 -
[126]
Yes.
We were able to show our discontent with the principle of PTW MT in Eve. We have a response untertaking no game-advantage for NeX. This is the first step - we've got an extraordinary meeting of the CSM/CCP for our representatives to make this utterly plain. I advise everyone to contact their CSM reps and ensure they have all the comments you wish presented and lets wait and see what the negotiations produce.
I'd be happy to see ongoing demonstrations and forum support to the anti MT movement this week certainly to keep people's minds focused but speaking personally I feel there is now a chance of a good outcome that the CSM can deliver on behalf of the community.
Join the Revolution!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:34:00 -
[127]
YES... ...but not just a ceasefire. Reasonable discourse and compromise. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:34:00 -
[128]
WHY?? CCP didn't even ask for cease fire. Why are gobbling **** for them?
STAY THE COURSE!!!!!
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Bairy Hollocks
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:35:00 -
[129]
Do we trust them? NO Should we give them the comfort of easing the pressure? NO Should we stop before we suceed? NO
This is to important to take chances on - we must keep the pressure on.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:35:00 -
[130]
Honestly, it's probably a good idea to wait to see what happens after the CSM meeting. I was of the opinion that the CSM was just a big joke and nothing but a PR stunt for CCP, but after listening to their interview on EVE Radio the other night, I've changed my mind.
Mail bomb your CSMs!!!! Let them take all your voices to CCP in a few days and then do what you have to do if you're not satisfied with the outcome. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
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Eufrosyn Schwartzkopf
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:36:00 -
[131]
NO!
Absolutely not. CCP is no longer worth the trust.
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NacNudcs
Asset Recovery Group
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:37:00 -
[132]
Yes
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ing SpeedyJ
Gallente Broken Lightning
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:37:00 -
[133]
YES
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Marloth Athran
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:37:00 -
[134]
YES.
I agree the community should call a ceasefire as a sign of good faith, and a reminder to CCP that we are in control of our actions.
We are a group, not a mob.
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Peter Greed
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:38:00 -
[135]
NO.
Unless CCP agrees to remove the NDA for the meeting, and the meeting's discussion is made available to all Eve subscribers.
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Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:38:00 -
[136]
NO
it just smells like buying some time for the things to calm down. Why in hell they just wont tell the community what are they planning? Why they want to hide behind CSM?
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Sentient Blade
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:39:00 -
[137]
Yes
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Sareita Nebula
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:39:00 -
[138]
NO! --
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Lu'Marat
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:40:00 -
[139]
Yes.
If by "ceasefire" you mean just playing the game and looking forward to a proper response by CCP. Which I've been doing anyway, I guess :)
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Lojik
Priory of Empire SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:40:00 -
[140]
NO
If we let off the pressure, the ones responsible may think they are being let off the hook, and then we'll never get the answers.
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Damodreda Makura
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:41:00 -
[141]
NO I never finish anyt... |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:41:00 -
[142]
I cant believe people are saying yes. Are they all CCP alts?
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:44:00 -
[143]
NO
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Panda Name
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:45:00 -
[144]
keep up the protests. while the recent dev blog was a positive step, we have to continue our "actions" until our fears are abolished in complete certainty.
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Marsaac
Minmatar Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:46:00 -
[145]
No, keep the fire burning.
Da Fonk! |
Estelle McDeal
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:47:00 -
[146]
No!
All they want is to milk the cash cow while we are "waiting and hoping".
They could have answered more then 350 pages of players rage. Nobody can trust CCP any longer.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:47:00 -
[147]
Originally by: RougeOperator I cant believe people are saying yes. Are they all CCP alts?
hardly - but if the other side offers a truce to confer then its usually a good idea to accept and let them speak. That is what's happened formally now and I believe trebor has already clarified the question on "gold-ammo = other game advantages" to our satisfaction - ie, no game-changing advantage through Aurum period.
So as I voted, give them the chance to talk and win back the trust we believe they had lost. We lose nothing by being principled and open-minded at this point.
Join the Revolution!
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Ankahz
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:48:00 -
[148]
NO.
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Darkaene
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:48:00 -
[149]
No.
This looks like stalling for time.
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ifollowed through
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:49:00 -
[150]
no... stalling for time and not answering the question properly, no gold ammo =/= no game changing mt
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Mag Theron
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:49:00 -
[151]
Yes
I think CCP have made a positive step and have extended the olive branch so now they deserve a chance try and sort the issues out with the CSM.
I will not be re-subscribing my alt account (which I let lapse over the weekend), nor will I be cancelling my main account, until I see what happens at the emergency meeting.
o7 Mag
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:50:00 -
[152]
Yes, and I won't resub until we know the outcome of the CSM meeting.
ÇÇP stole my heart, damn you
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Sceta
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 -
[153]
Yes, but I am staying unsubbed _____________________ <The UFF movement>
Want to know more? |
Cyclopa
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 -
[154]
No
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vinnymcg
Glukkons
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:51:00 -
[155]
Yes
Quickbar tread |
CCFAIL
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
[156]
definitely NO
this reply is only a try to gain time, and is AGAIN avoiding a direct answer to the questions.
If he would have answered "Yes there are plans, but we're reevaluating them due to user feedback" ... well then I'd say yes... but under given circumstance definitely not
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Willow Frost
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
[157]
No
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
[158]
NO!
May not manage to get the "heat" up afterward!
Also if we did CCP just had to STFU and everyrhing would be nice and quite (what they want)!
I also wish someone could tell me exactly when CCP became ÇÇ₱. |
Marhaba
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:52:00 -
[159]
Yes
(But I won't resub until they get rid of The Door and give me my hangar back. That was my original complaint even before the P2W crap)
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Dixie Norrmous
Empirius Enigmus Navy C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
[160]
No
CCP should televise the meeting on EVEtv...
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Addrake
Minmatar Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
[161]
Yes
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
[162]
NO
they are trying to detur everything for a week to get people to "forget" keep the fire under them
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Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:53:00 -
[163]
Cease fire.. yes. But that does not mean we are droppign the weaposn and the revolution. My Subs stay cancelled until a much cleared picture is presented.
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:55:00 -
[164]
No, any meetings discussed should include us the playerbase
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Calden De'Altos
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:55:00 -
[165]
Yes, we should wait. As poorly as this situation is being handled, they atleast acknowledge our main reason for our uproar.
Nothing game-breaking has been implemented as of yet, so there is no urgent and immediate problem in game that needs attention (unless you really wanted a monocle on the cheap).
The players who are so passionatly outraged at the thought of "pay-to-win" do not want to see Eve fall apart. This is time for talk and mediation. Ideas can be exchanged and solutions can be implemented.
All that bieng said, there is no wiggle room, no compromise allowed in this....if CCP implements a "pay-to-win" system, the player base WILL leave. That much is evident.
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
[166]
No.
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Commander Logar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
[167]
NO. They are just trying to buy time as Pan said before
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AdmiralJohn
Gallente Origin of Sanshaa
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:57:00 -
[168]
I'm a tentative yes. I really want this to turn out for the best, and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, if they've been disingenuous, I've already lined up other games to play.
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:58:00 -
[169]
YES (but stay unsubbed until we get a clear answer and they fix Incarnage)
----------------------------------------------- "The No A$$HOLE Rule" by Robert Sutton, PhD |
Six Echo
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[170]
YES.
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Fire Watch
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[171]
NO!
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Olvel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:59:00 -
[172]
Yes.
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Rumplefink
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 -
[173]
Rabble Rabble RABBLE
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Hiroshi Nagasaki
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 -
[174]
Yes |
ispyyou
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 -
[175]
NO
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 -
[176]
Yes --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
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Leon Razor
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:01:00 -
[177]
Yes.
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 -
[178]
No. (adding my thoughts while waiting for the 2 minute timer to run down.) This is no a duel. CCP are wanting to call our bluff. They know we are eve addicts who love this game. At this stage it will be either destroyed by us in 10 days or by CCP in 10 months. Any time/chance we give them to feel self assured and confident will give them "hand" to keep destroying the game.
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chainedtofate
Caldari Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:03:00 -
[179]
yes
i will await ccp's official response they have till the 13 of July to change my mind
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ExcalibursTemplar
Caldari Citadel Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:04:00 -
[180]
NO
The CSM needs us to be giving them as much clout as possible for when they get to Iceland.
If we carry on protesting up untill the very moement the CSM gets to Iceland that will show we are orginised and wont fall apart. That in turn will give the CSM the extra clout with CCP they need to try and fix EVE. About these protest CCP
Quote: Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
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Gar Earthbendiir
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:05:00 -
[181]
Yes.
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Mr Mickey
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:07:00 -
[182]
no
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:07:00 -
[183]
No
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Joan Avon
Amarr We See Dead People Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
[184]
Yes.
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tilt sedron
Caldari The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
[185]
yes
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LIOZTH
Caldari Divide By Zero Emergent Dawn
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
[186]
Edited by: LIOZTH on 26/06/2011 20:10:26
Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS HELL NO!!!
What did u get? a promise to talk to the CSM's who haven't even talked to us? If the CSM's were doing their job we wouldn't even be rioting in the 1st place!!!
You are truly stupid sir!!!!
^_____ What this guy said, this DEV blog is just as empty in substance as the last, and to top it all off a lackluster apology. Nothing has been answered I say the movement continues. And to be honest the CSM =/= the players, I think some sort of town hall meeting with the players is in order.
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Randal Eirikr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
[187]
Yes
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Reto Xenor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
[188]
Actually, i'm switching my Yes to a No. There's no reason to stop fighting, He doesn't even ask for it.
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:10:00 -
[189]
Further protest is not wise when there's a chance to work things out.
[Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX. |
cecil b d'milf
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:11:00 -
[190]
no way... they are just stalling and have not answered a simple question. CSM does not need to to go to iceland to help them with the spelling of "yes" or "no"
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
[191]
Yes.
But they better don't bull**** the CSM or us at June 30 or July 1. -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Herping yourDerp yes- the revolution either Dies or rebuilds july 2nd 2011.
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WeirdCulture
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:12:00 -
[193]
NO!
----------------------- Yogurt! Yogurt! I hate Yogurt! Even with Strawberries. |
Vaebel Kormu
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:13:00 -
[194]
"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say"
NO!
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DeathDyke
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:13:00 -
[195]
yes |
Just Crossed TheLine
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:14:00 -
[196]
NO
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zapthemrocks
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:17:00 -
[197]
No.
Until after CSM meets in Iceland, and CCP takes actions to not only assure they are back on the straight and narrow path. They need to bring more attention to the bugs they are fixing, not the profits they are extracting!
If you fold as easily to one dev. blog, CCP has no reason to fear the consequences of their actions when they could just wave a magic wand on a dev. blog at every miss-step.
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Mr Mickey
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:17:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Mister Smithington Yes.
Zulu delivered not only a direct response, but the correct response. Props to you, Zulu.
I shall go back to playing internet spaceships happily. I am prepared to rage again after the CSM meeting, but sincerely hope I won't have to.
CCP ALT
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Olaf Rasmussen
Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:18:00 -
[199]
NO
Actions, not :words:
remember :metrics: people
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:18:00 -
[200]
No, they are stalling and hoping we burn ourselves out.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:19:00 -
[201]
yes
Eve Dark Ages - a new free expansion brought to you by CCP. As the old knowledge leaves, it will all happen again. Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84nrp08MWo&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1 |
Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:20:00 -
[202]
YES
A mindless rabble would continue.
A collection of people wanting a better Eve for everyone would stop and give CCP the chance to clarify a lot of things.
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Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:22:00 -
[203]
yes...
but
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Ceasefire grantet, but 1400`s are ready to open fire again 2nd July is my deadline
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
Le Sabre
Gallente Forced aggressions Lawful Insanity
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:22:00 -
[204]
Yes.
Not for the benefit of CCP though, it should be so normal gameplay can return to those who have been affected by the protests in and around the hubs. No sense in more protests unless the CSM can't get a definitive 'no to $$ for win', so people should stand down now before this turns around and the protesters end up being the bad guys.
Proud participant in the great "Trade hub lock down" of 24th june 2011. We control OUR game CCP!!! |
Dana Jass
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:23:00 -
[205]
Yes.
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Fahad AlAmir
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:24:00 -
[206]
Yes. |
Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:25:00 -
[207]
Yes.
Lets see what comes of it
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Prof Khaos
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:27:00 -
[208]
No.
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Kithca
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:28:00 -
[209]
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
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Nery Nebu
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:28:00 -
[210]
Yes
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:30:00 -
[211]
Cease fire? In Eve? LOL
NO
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Chandler Urandom
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:30:00 -
[212]
No! Man the battle stations, load the guns - FIRE AT WILL!
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KosmikZA
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:30:00 -
[213]
Yes.
They have given a timeline, lets respect it.
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Adira Hamalia
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:31:00 -
[214]
yes
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Tenaz Famaroom
Liberation Army
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:33:00 -
[215]
ok Ill say sort of
lets keep unsubbed and urging people on the forums to do the same until after the CSM if they fail again let EvE burn. Until then lets leave the carebears and scammers alone in jita to make some isk.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:33:00 -
[216]
Originally by: KosmikZA Yes.
They have given a timeline, lets respect it.
A timeline that is 3 days to late.
I will not give them more time on something they could have fixed the same day it broke.
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Aiko Intaki
Lodizal Shield Tek Lodizal Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:34:00 -
[217]
Yes.
They'll either work it out with the CSM and only lose a few subs... come up with some half-assed compromise and let EvE bleed... or drop the ball and watch EvE burn.
CCP knows the pressure is on and that we aren't happy, that got us to this point. Now we wait for the CSM meeting.
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Big Bad Guy
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:36:00 -
[218]
NO
old hangar back or no deal. CQ optional. would take one hour to code given you stored old code somewhere. no need for any kind of timeline |
Ooiit
Skagpikey Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:37:00 -
[219]
No.
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Norian Lonark
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:38:00 -
[220]
Edited by: Norian Lonark on 26/06/2011 20:38:58 Yes.
Obviously the protests have worked and they are getting the CSM who represent the players to go and talk about MT and how to develop it.
I think they didnt gauge how much we cared about this topic now they do and are looking how they can fix it for their benefit while now hopefully listening to our feedback. I cant quite understand why another meeting is required when I thought it had been made quite clear to draw the line at vanity items only but I am willing to wait and hear what has to be said at the meeting.
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xacio
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:42:00 -
[221]
Yes.
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HawkEye22
Gallente Aces In Exile
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:43:00 -
[222]
Yes --HawkEye22-- |
Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:44:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Norian Lonark Obviously the protests have worked and they are getting the CSM who represent the players to go and talk about MT and how to develop it.
They did that before. People from the previous CSM actually resigned over it. The current CSM has been very clear about their stance on MT. They're actively ignoring their advice concerning what to write in their dev blogs that doesn't make them look like clueless ****heads. What do you expect to change next week with that track record? It's not like they haven't been talking about this before.
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Tia White
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:44:00 -
[224]
Yes
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Admiral Valdore
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:46:00 -
[225]
lol no. They have had enough time.
-Admiral Valdore |
Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:46:00 -
[226]
Edited by: Shootin'' Star on 26/06/2011 20:47:02 Yes, and for the reason so eloquently attested to by Jade:
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: RougeOperator I cant believe people are saying yes. Are they all CCP alts?
hardly - but if the other side offers a truce to confer then its usually a good idea to accept and let them speak. That is what's happened formally now and I believe trebor has already clarified the question on "gold-ammo = other game advantages" to our satisfaction - ie, no game-changing advantage through Aurum period.
So as I voted, give them the chance to talk and win back the trust we believe they had lost. We lose nothing by being principled and open-minded at this point.
This, in no uncertain terms. The ongoing lack of trust for CCP is most definitely understandable; and we should absolutely hold them to a standard of judging by actions and not merely words. Work through the CSM, making our message clear and demanding an answer equally clear.
Remember: If CCP is not forthcoming, we will have further clear and justified opportunity to make our immense displeasure known; and they perhaps will have plenty of otherwise unemployed time on their hands to consider the same as well.
---------------- Star
TANSTAAFL! |
Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:47:00 -
[227]
You have to love the EVE-O drama.
So now we have three factions:
1) The majority of players who are either angered or amused by the minority of self entitled wombats claiming to speak for them. 2) The small but loud group that are living in a world of self delusion that they are somehow important enough to dictate CCP policy. They are at least willing to take a deep breath and wait for this CSM meeting before passing judgement. 3) The even smaller splinter group formerly associated with group two that are nothing but a group of thugs. Advocating everything from jamming nodes to calling in hacker groups to disable CCP. Nothing said by anyone will satisfy these losers who are so butt hurt over next to nothing that they will happily destroy the very game they spent years trying to build.
Yes folks. We live in the proverbial interesting times.
Mr Epeen
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Janssen
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:47:00 -
[228]
Yes.
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Capdown Jakuard
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:47:00 -
[229]
I would say YES, but due to all the mixed responses it would only make sense to say NO
(that is unless you're trying to derail the protests)
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Rakaugs
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:49:00 -
[230]
yes
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Saile Litestrider
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:50:00 -
[231]
Yes.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 -
[232]
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 26/06/2011 20:50:53 ceasefire .... in my eve ? hell no
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Maa Ku
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 -
[233]
No. Ceasefire = problem gone away = no action.
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Brother Spaciel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:57:00 -
[234]
yes
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clbo
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:59:00 -
[235]
Yes ccp, fix my internet spaceship game. No more half features, no more downgrades.
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Fi1ippo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:00:00 -
[236]
No
"The man behind the mask is a Maverik Letting off buck-ten shots for the hat trick."
From the song Overtime (Maverik Lacrosse Commercial), by D.One.
Life = Lax |
Ike Snicklefritz
Amarr Pink Fuzzy Dice
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:00:00 -
[237]
Until we learn more from the CSM meeting, yes. I'm willing to give them that.
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Meridian Siri
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:00:00 -
[238]
No way in hell. No ceasefire before tangible action.
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Mercedes Lola
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:01:00 -
[239]
NO
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:02:00 -
[240]
NO
Results first (some non-condesending non-bull**** results) ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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battle station
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:03:00 -
[241]
NO
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:04:00 -
[242]
Yes, since zulu posted and CSM going over CCP HQ. Contiously rioting and emo raging is now counter-productive. ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
Demure Guise
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:04:00 -
[243]
Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 21:04:46 Yes. There is a time to be gracious, and our time is now. They know what we can do if we're ****ed off so let's play nice until we hear from the meeting. It gives us the moral high ground.
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Jita Freighter
Gallente Empire Tugging Company
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:04:00 -
[244]
YES
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Vaako Horizon
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:04:00 -
[245]
NO
The CSM is but a few of a massive number of players and for CCP to discuss this with them alone when it concerns us all... In addition to that, the NDA that CSM is under will give us no real answer as the answer we will get most likely will be less factial and more babbel.
Usually I jump to the high heavens on the side of highsec PVE'ers but today I'd say I will be on both sides as I feel the current topics needs some real answers.
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Shemmy
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:06:00 -
[246]
Yes, until the CSM meeting is reported on, even though I'm pretty sure what the outcome of that will be.
(IMO it will be CSM's resigning and unsubbing, if that helps)
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Lirael Dyrim
Gallente In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:07:00 -
[247]
No.
"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious." |
Elisa Cesaille
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:08:00 -
[248]
Computers says no
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Melina Bloodheart
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:09:00 -
[249]
Yes for now. They know what will happen if they screw this up. The ball is in their court. They remove MT and sort out the issues this new patch has caused then they may start to win back some respect from the masses. They f*** this up there doomed. We as a community have expressed our outrage at the MT and patch issues so take a breather. See what happens and go from there. If we continue to rage then nothing will get sorted out.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:10:00 -
[250]
No!
Why would anyone believe a word they say anymore. This is just a pathetic PR stunt.
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Tshien Tze
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:10:00 -
[251]
yes
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Frawan
Amarr Shedu Multinational Development Corperation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:10:00 -
[252]
YES
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Kieron Veidah
Caldari Greuh Sacerdotium Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:11:00 -
[253]
No.
Maybe has it been said before in this thread, but contestation should continue just to make sure that pressure is kept on CCP as a reminder, until they have come forth with explanations as to which are their intensions, and solutions they will offer to solve the many issues raised by the players' community. "Si Wis Pacem Parabellum" |
Thodoros
Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:11:00 -
[254]
NO
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Haeri
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:12:00 -
[255]
YES null |
Xarhariel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:13:00 -
[256]
Yes.
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Maken Cheese
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:13:00 -
[257]
No.
Never give up, never surrender.
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:14:00 -
[258]
Yes.
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Patriana
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:15:00 -
[259]
yes
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Nyssa Litari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:16:00 -
[260]
Yes
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Capt Tauro
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:17:00 -
[261]
No.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:17:00 -
[262]
I vote for a ceasefire, because honestly if they mess up the CSM meeting its going to get a lot worse next weekend for CCP.
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Arius Jordani
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:18:00 -
[263]
Yes.
Time for an honest, considered, and comprehensive response on all the issues raised.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:18:00 -
[264]
YES
but it's the last chance. if things don't works, the following won't be nice to see.
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Mersault
Gallente The Pie Factory
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:18:00 -
[265]
Yes
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Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:21:00 -
[266]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
This is the big yellow question, have they answered it?
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Gunner Foreman
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:21:00 -
[267]
Yes.
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FrankCastle ThePunisher
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:25:00 -
[268]
YES - But if the CSM Emergency Meeting does not come back with no MT for non-vanity items at all (we must have a signed document CSM!!!) we burn this B*TCH down again but with more organization.
And your little Eve Vegas Trip will be invaded with audio/video recording Michael Moore style suckas.
/me goes to clean the 425's in preparation for the next fight. |
Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:26:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: RougeOperator I cant believe people are saying yes. Are they all CCP alts?
hardly - but if the other side offers a truce to confer then its usually a good idea to accept and let them speak. That is what's happened formally now and I believe trebor has already clarified the question on "gold-ammo = other game advantages" to our satisfaction - ie, no game-changing advantage through Aurum period.
So as I voted, give them the chance to talk and win back the trust we believe they had lost. We lose nothing by being principled and open-minded at this point.
I hope that you are right, but believe that you are wrong. The world, well the Eve world, will be much better if you are correct, and it will be destroyed if I am.
So for the sake of Eve the protest must continue, while we all hope we are wrong, we fear that we are right. Until their is an unequivocal answer to the big yellow question, or until our subs run out...
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:30:00 -
[270]
NO
CSM has been ignored upto now, this is a delaying tactic.
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Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:31:00 -
[271]
Yes, I'll give the 'ole lads a chance up till july 2nd.
If they pass, good for them, and good for EVE.
If they fail it's time for maximum rage.
Will write and sing songs for stuff. |
Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:32:00 -
[272]
How do you have 3 names?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:34:00 -
[273]
Yes. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Warg Matar
Minmatar The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:35:00 -
[274]
Yes
For many reasons, stopping the protest now, and awaiting the CSM response is a sound move. Whoever thinks this is going to result in somekinda "now they will do this every time something goes wrong" has probably not understood what this was all about in the first place.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:35:00 -
[275]
Yes
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Vincentus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:41:00 -
[276]
Yes, but if CCP fails again I'm gone on July 2nd. Last chance for CCP as I see it.
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DaysOfNight
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:44:00 -
[277]
NO
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:47:00 -
[278]
In my opinion?
HELL NO.
CCP has been unresponsive without threats and actions, provided that said threats and actions were both legal and within the rules of EVE. I and many others have done so, including staging mass protests in the market hubs and cancelling our subscriptions (or not buying more PLEX to continue our accounts). I would also like to give credit to the members of the CSM for speaking out on our behalf and making many good arguments.
Especially Seleene and Meissa, but I'd hate to just single them out as doing good for the cause of the players, as I think the entirety of the CSM has been in agreement on this issue and is pushing for us. For that, I'd like to thank our entire CSM.
Until a definite resolution that is satisfactory to us has been hammered in stone, we need to continue with our current methods of protest that are legal and within the rules of Eve. This latter point is important, and I hope that any attempting to use illegal methods against CCP are brought to justice (ie DDOS attacks and hacking attempts).
Fight the good fight, all of you. We do this not because we hate Eve, but because we LOVE EVE, and we hate to see it go down a dark path that will inevitably lead to its demise.
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Christina Carter
Caldari Northwest Passage
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:51:00 -
[279]
NO! We need action (like our protest) not just words like CCP has always done. POWER TO THE PLAYERS!
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Phizban
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:53:00 -
[280]
He's got a monocle, GET HIM! Sunny D and Rum, yum yum. |
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Joccob
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:53:00 -
[281]
Yes
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Baillif
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:53:00 -
[282]
No
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Lorimer
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:54:00 -
[283]
I get in trouble for posing for my main ...... but I think it is wise to hold off on the "nuclear attack ponies" until the 2nd
L
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:03:00 -
[284]
I say YES.
To keep up the protest now would only go on to prove that we are not willing to give CCP a the chance to do the right thing. If your mind is made up to the point that nothing CCP says or does can change it, the it's time to move on and leave eve behind.
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Elliott Calvadeux
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:04:00 -
[285]
Yes
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DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:05:00 -
[286]
Edited by: DeftCrow Redriver on 26/06/2011 22:06:01 Yes.
Edit: I personally like yea better, so yea.
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Solosky
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:09:00 -
[287]
No.
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Anon Forumalt6858
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:31:00 -
[288]
Yes.
They have finally taken a responsible stance in this situation and for that they earn a small reprieve. Should they ignore the CSM and/or try to warp things around under the guise of compromise, the movement rekindles.
My only hope is that there is transparency involved. That meeting needs to be aired, ala the alliance tournament. - His name was John Turbefield!
CCP: We are adults who wage economic, social, and tactical warfare on each other for fun. Don't **** with us. |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:35:00 -
[289]
No.
We must look more at what CCP does, rather than what they say.
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Mr Mickey
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:38:00 -
[290]
HahhahhhhHh the majority of canracters saying yes are not even in a Corp .... Lol Ccp we pay to fake post what bull****
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:39:00 -
[291]
Yes to a ceasefire but if they palm the CSM off with unsatisfactory *******s then go back to it even more so.
* Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
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Kah'Roor
The Flaming Sideburn's Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:42:00 -
[292]
yes
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Exordium8
Minmatar Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:44:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Mr Mickey HahhahhhhHh the majority of canracters saying yes are not even in a Corp .... Lol Ccp we pay to fake post what bull****
...says the obvious alt in an NPC corp --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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Jacob Kelbrand
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:48:00 -
[294]
Yes.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:48:00 -
[295]
YES
Just wait and see how it goes with the CSM. And they are as ****ed about this as we are, so I don't think they will give CCP an easy time.
Also, people are getting tired. If CCP doesn't deliver, we'll all be good to go for a second round with a vengeance. But not now. Continuing to create ruckus will just work against us.
And CCP needs to realize that if they behave, so will we.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:57:00 -
[296]
NO MERCY, KILL THEM ALL.
Btw, who are we pillaging?
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Jimmy De'Souza
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:58:00 -
[297]
No.
In this situation they are the enemy. (Strong thinking I know)
You do not give the enemy any respite until they have surrendered.
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Teako
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:59:00 -
[298]
No
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.26 22:59:00 -
[299]
No --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Christmas OnFIre
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:01:00 -
[300]
No.
They say "no gold ammo", but they say many things.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:01:00 -
[301]
Don't lose momentum now. Keep it up. I vote carry on
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Blyghme
Gallente Strohl Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:05:00 -
[302]
Yes, give them a chance to get a proper statement together.
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Stoned Dragonias
Amarr Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:06:00 -
[303]
No
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTDwIN9oLvY
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:09:00 -
[304]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 26/06/2011 23:13:31
No cease fire.
Once momentum is lost, the masses stumble over their feet and back into the astroid fields.
You can either be for the revolution or be swept away by history. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpvwh292VKI
Sandbox or Death! |
Perramas
Caldari Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:11:00 -
[305]
A temporary ceasefire until July 2nd. Then if there is no clear message from CCP about selling in game advantages for $ the ceasefire is over.
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Brannor McThife
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:11:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Mister Smithington Yes.
Zulu delivered not only a direct response, but the correct response. Props to you, Zulu.
Then you fell for the smoke and mirrors just like they wanted you to.
My vote: No. Burn it down. You can always call in the fire engines after the CSM meeting.
If they really were going to NOT sell beyond-vanity items, then WHY are the CSM going to Iceland, if not to be directly conned into supporting CCP?
I bet they all come back with Monocles. Mittani, if you read this... you don't have to say anything about the meeting... just buy a Monocle for your toon and we'll all know that they are going ahead with their beyond-vanity plans.
-G
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Delkana Fox
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:13:00 -
[307]
yes |
Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:13:00 -
[308]
NO! No cease fire till CCP delivers -------------------------------------------
We Are Internet Spaceship Pilots.
We do not forgive, we do not forget. |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:18:00 -
[309]
After that poorly written piece of PR, which never even addressed the question. All it did was buy them more time before they had to answer it, if the even answer it then.
I'd have to reluctantly say no
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Sethose Olderon
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:19:00 -
[310]
First of all I don't want ANY micro-transactions in Eve, however I will freely admit that I am in the minority on that issue. However, even if after the meeting and CCP issues a statement that they plan to reduce prices in the store, and that they promise that there will not be any non-vanity virtual goods available for sale, would you trust them?
I'm not sure I can, or would. There are only so many times a person can reasonably forgive another when trust is violated, and I think a lot of the Eve Community have reached that limit. Alliance Owned Stargates
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Feline Ferocity
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:27:00 -
[311]
NO.
keep up the good work guys
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Thodol
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:27:00 -
[312]
No, how they respond after the drama is irrelevant. Its how their lack of response and the insulting manner they portray their customer base in their internal communication that is revolting.
Nothing they say now will mend what they have done, they have forever lost the trust of their customer base and the gaming world at large. Anything they do or say now is just to protect their own ass and "golden goose". It will be self serving and not a reflection of respect their customers have EARNED.
CCP is dead to me and I have a hunch after Dust flops dead as a corporation.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:39:00 -
[313]
No, Hell NO!
They don't need to fly the CSM to Iceland, they could talk directly to the players.
Plus this from Zulu's Dev Blog "Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session."
I've underlined the important bits, I read this as Non Vanity, Game effecting items are still on the agenda.
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Tez Saurus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:44:00 -
[314]
No.
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Lakuma
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:44:00 -
[315]
No.
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Ulmega
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:45:00 -
[316]
YES
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Arrinlay
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:46:00 -
[317]
No.
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Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:48:00 -
[318]
NO
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Kasulli
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:48:00 -
[319]
No.
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:51:00 -
[320]
Edited by: Alrione on 26/06/2011 23:51:16 No. I am completely against any mt in eve. Reason, its a P2P game. If they want mt then make eve f2p. CCP are asshats.
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Obviously Confidential
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:59:00 -
[321]
Yes. This is a step in the right direction.
Vanity items are part of the problem but hardly the whole thing. A long term commitment to gameplay policies that favor current play styles, including but not limited to never selling gameplay related items for AUR, is required - but it's only part of the problem.
The main problem is the under investment in EVE that has been going on for the past few expansions, we are being milked to finance other projects.
We want our subscription fees to be reinvested into EVE, not spent on vaporware.
If WoD and DUST have to be delayed or scrapped, so be it. EVE IS THE MAIN THING. I am neither a Vampire nor a Starship Trooper. Certainly not a golden goose. And I don't really care if CCP lusts for possibly unreachable markets where it may not even be able to compete. All I want is EVE, and as an indie developer, CCP suits me fine.
I see no problem with being humble and making decent money, as long as you do something AWESOME. CCP can find someone else to leech in order to finance their power trips, but not on my EVE.
The approach to the CSM is the right thing to do. What we want takes time and long term decision making. The kind of decisions that involve long term investments. CCP should learn from the CSM what our game needs, then INVEST MONEY, PUT EFFORT and SHOW US LOVE for EVE.
Don't ever treat us as goolden goose used to finance vampire crappy stuff or first person shooters. This is EVE. It's already good enough. FOCUS ON IT ffs.
These Icelandic people, they are stubborn as rocks. Point them in the right direction, they make awesome stuff like EVE. Leave them to loose touch with reality and you have a bunch of hallucinating morons. CCP will find it's course. And we are here to HELP.
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Nolorin
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:02:00 -
[322]
NO
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:04:00 -
[323]
No, because WE would be the buffoons.
Gullible ones at that.
We get FACTS first, including a proper formal CSM + CCP statement.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Goodluvins
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:05:00 -
[324]
NO Fvck CCP and Fvck MT
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George Wilkes Hill
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:12:00 -
[325]
No.
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KrazyTaco
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:12:00 -
[326]
No
Quote: We get FACTS first, including a proper formal CSM + CCP statement.
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Tu Ko
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:13:00 -
[327]
Why have a cease fire, no one is actually losing anything? Just keep going full tilt, if you slow down CCP might decide that things are not as bad as when the leaks happened and continue on the path they orginially chose.
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Joe D'Trader
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:47:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Tez Saurus No.
Tez and I agree... bad things happen when we agree...
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Shiangti
Caldari Revelation Exploration Inc. Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:55:00 -
[329]
NO.
We need to keep the heat on. Since it is ACTIONS they want to see not words.
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Belloche
Caldari Pegasus Battle Group Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:57:00 -
[330]
HELL NO.
They still haven't given us a real answer. They have only tried to buy time.
Players have totally LOST faith and loyalty in CCP. My faith in CCP might return SoonÖ but I doubt it. |
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Cheese Ninja
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:02:00 -
[331]
No.they are just stalling
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Debrue
Gallente Sacred Templars
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:04:00 -
[332]
Yes. Bringing the CSM back to Iceland on short notice is an indication that they miscalculated their actions. Lighten up and wait for their reaction. Debrue |
Linar Mardolak
Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:08:00 -
[333]
Hah, like you or any current players matter in CCP's long-term plans. "Cease-fire"? The conversion of Eve to a microtransaction cash cow will continue. The only thing that CCP wish didn't happen is the leak. Whatever you do, it doesn't matter. Eve will be more and more casual.
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freeriderEU
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:10:00 -
[334]
Yes
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Moon Shadowfall
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:11:00 -
[335]
YES..HELL YES...
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Kaaeliaa
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:12:00 -
[336]
NO.
Our resolve must not falter. Save your ceasefire for when something actually gets done. Words are not enough.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:13:00 -
[337]
YES
CEASE FIRE
Lets all calm down get a drink and relax. We are all old people our hearts cant take this stress.
Lets all get out, get laid and then come back.
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Doom Sentinel
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:21:00 -
[338]
Yes
Yes, but if CCP does not deliver we must bring the hammer down stronger than before. Dont resub your accounts just yet. |
Liva Daril
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:23:00 -
[339]
NO!
Quote:
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Tzeneth
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:23:00 -
[340]
Yes
I'll fold to their stall tactic and then raise them all in on the next hand if they don't get their ducks in a row.
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:24:00 -
[341]
No. CCP's words do not matter anymore. The trust is broken.
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Linda Flamewalker
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:24:00 -
[342]
yes
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Tyberious Rex
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 -
[343]
No |
Shenro
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:31:00 -
[344]
Edited by: Shenro on 27/06/2011 01:32:22 Editing to no. I change my mind.
2005.04.05 19:01:31 combat Your Medium Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Brothel, wrecking for 260.3 damage.
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TheBooky
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:31:00 -
[345]
Yes
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eulkahn
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:33:00 -
[346]
Yes
I was protesting to get a response from CCP over non-vanity NEX items, they have responded and I personally don't see much value to continuing the in-game protests at least until the report is in from the meeting with the CSM.
But this is not something CCP need to be taking lightly or long over, I was there the past 3 days and we're looking for some pretty definite and prompt clarification of CCP's plans for the NEX store.
As for the people who are continuing to protest, call me patronising but quotes like:
Originally by: QwaarJet No. CCP's words do not matter anymore. The trust is broken.
kind of make it seem like they're roleplaying an oppressed citizen of a dictatorship, if CCP's words don't matter anymore why bother to protest? If there's literally nothing they can say that will reassure you, if you are completely unwilling to trust anything they say or do ever again then it's probably time to move on to a new game, but you won't find one with a more engaged relationship between developers and players than EVE.
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Ometheos Oribili
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:36:00 -
[347]
Yes.
Stalling or no, it's a gesture of reason and goodwill on the players' part. We're not trying to overthrow EVE, we're trying to save it. Seven tickets to Iceland on such short notice cost a lot more than they made on 52 monocles. CCP is extending an olive branch; I say take it.
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Farrisen
Caldari Nth Dimension
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:41:00 -
[348]
Yes
Originally by: CCP Spitfire It's because of falcon.
Originally by: Korinne People used to say that Incarna would come out when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.
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Xeln Quuzg
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:10:00 -
[349]
yes.
i share the concerns of the protesters and have debated "anti-protesters" in local, but i love eve and i want to see things work out.
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justme6
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:12:00 -
[350]
NO
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:12:00 -
[351]
No.
Any let up in pressure gives validation to Hilmar's attitude. It didnt work for Hosni Mubarrak, it shouldn't work for f'ing Hilmar. Don't let it.
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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MC187
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:12:00 -
[352]
no
calling the csm to iceland is just a delay tactic.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:13:00 -
[353]
If you said YES you are letting them get away with ruing the game.
You say NO and keel the pressure on them until they cave. IF you blink they win. When you say Ill wait for an answer you are blinking.
I might say yes to a ceasefire if the CEO that thinks of us as cows stepped down. That is the minimum price for a ceasefire.
You are almost as bad as the CCP apologists/fanbois/alts.
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Ahrman Vanaheim
Caldari Chimaera Combine Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:14:00 -
[354]
Edited by: Ahrman Vanaheim on 27/06/2011 02:15:52
Yes
The comments re 'gold ammo' are clear enough for me to feel a lot happier. I believe given recent events CCP will be likely to listen and communicate more closely with the CSM and players.
A returned gesture of goodwill to show we genuinely care about the game wouldn't go astray.
If this negotiation fails though its game over.
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:15:00 -
[355]
Yes. I believe CCP needs a chance to respond to the player base as we've pretty much said the past few responses are inadequate at best.
I am however doubtful of the outcome after watching this video: Paying to Win Presentation
Why doubtful? Because this is the direction game companies are going. What remains to be seen is if a Pay to Play Model of gameplay can adapt to this model which is typically only really truly seen in Free to Play games. If so the soul of gaming will forever change, and I don't feel this move will be for the better.
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Master Andrew
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:16:00 -
[356]
NO
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:18:00 -
[357]
So, cease-fire before the quitters actually quit, or before the quitters quit? Assuming they are taken at their word...
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:20:00 -
[358]
No retreat no surrender
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Spitmebeers Makeitcool
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:20:00 -
[359]
If this is the case, wouldn't it be much better to encourage people to use the forums via CEO's and coop leaders instead of shooting a ******ed monument for more then 6 hrs? I am pretty sure that we can show CCP that we are not going to accept "cash for the win" system by keeping this video bumped all the time and giving the link away in local chats ecc. if we are that addicted to "i have achieved this" feeling of the mmorpgs im pretty sure ruining a company's business model would give us a lot more sadisfaction then pewpewing some pixel art which probably took 10 minutes of 3D modeling on 3Ds max xP
please don't get me wrong im not raging or anything, i have been playing this game for two weeks anyway, all i am saying is that even if we can make CCP loose 2% of the revenue they could do in a year that would give them an idea of what %2 of a society is capable of...
IMO canceling subs is pretty stupid, since the changes they are about to make are focused on in-game cash spending...they already forgot about making revenue out of subscription fees, making the already invested system failing however...thats the way to go to be honest.
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Kirgan
Caldari Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:24:00 -
[360]
No This is a stalling tactic to downplay the issue.
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Zephy Russ
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:48:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Ometheos Oribili Yes.
Stalling or no, it's a gesture of reason and goodwill on the players' part. We're not trying to overthrow EVE, we're trying to save it. Seven tickets to Iceland on such short notice cost a lot more than they made on 52 monocles. CCP is extending an olive branch; I say take it.
I absolutely agree. Since they're sacrificing quite a large chunk of their MT income to bring the CSM in, the least we can do is see what happens.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:50:00 -
[362]
No
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MR DEMOS
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:51:00 -
[363]
Yes
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Anshiliu
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:56:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Mr Epeen NO!
This so called 'revolution' is a constant source of amusement for me.
Don't ever stop.
Mr Epeen
This
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Brannor McThife
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:01:00 -
[365]
They're flying the CSM to CCP to have them measured for their $1000 Japanese pants!
All the CSM are going to get their own limited edition outfits designed by real life designers!! The'll get platinum monacles too, and paid monthly in AUR to tow the line.
T3 Damage Control.
-G
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Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:02:00 -
[366]
No.
Cause I am making money selling ammo to fuel your tear fest.
Yes, that's right, your tears sustain me.
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Reloadin
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:03:00 -
[367]
No. Fight the powa! Raeg against the machine!
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Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:04:00 -
[368]
No, CCP will only understand through chaos and unsubscring players. All they want are players to calm down and get comfortable so they can run the show as they want. If players don't show them how bad the situation is they wont move a finger since is messing with their earnings.
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Rakamy
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:12:00 -
[369]
Yes
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:17:00 -
[370]
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
CCP is only trying to buy time with this whole travel to Iceland bull****, if we let everything return to normal for a week, they win.
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Neftaran
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:21:00 -
[371]
No
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Jashmyne
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:24:00 -
[372]
I would vote for a yes.
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Herring
Caldari Pimpology
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:25:00 -
[373]
Pessimism tells me no. My gut tells me that the CSM is being shipped to iceland to get talked into something they don't want. I mean, if they were going to change the business plan, why not just announce it? I don't think a single thing will change.
But that's just me.
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Bardan Asoto
Universal Freelance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:27:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 26/06/2011 23:04:24 It has to be said that a yes vote counts for many as a temporary standstill. If CCP does not deliver, rage will come back heavier than ever by the looks of it.
NO
Completely disagree. A yes vote could lead to a standstill that would cause the current uproar to lose steam, which it shouldn't do until the issues are resolved not just discussed.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:28:00 -
[375]
No. No cease fire, now or EVER. The minute we the players let up is the minute they know they have us. *
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Inipinipocoloco
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:31:00 -
[376]
NO
this is eve, there is no ceasefire, there is no trust
deliver now or die
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Gashblight
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:35:00 -
[377]
is this the thread for the shills?? signs point to yes. lets see the results if you drop votes from those not in a corp.
put me down for a hell no
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Algathas
Minmatar The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:37:00 -
[378]
NO
"[i]We have spais in their base. Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs We have better organizational capabilities |
Hitraya Lisichka
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:35:00 -
[379]
NO
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Pearljammer 5657
Caldari Last Exit.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:50:00 -
[380]
no
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Seako
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:51:00 -
[381]
No
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Karsa Egivand
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:52:00 -
[382]
Yes
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Koivan
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:44:00 -
[383]
The last dev blog was just a weasel worded stalling tactic, so NO keep shooting.
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VeloxMors
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:14:00 -
[384]
Nope. CCP wanted to see our actions instead of listen to us.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:38:00 -
[385]
Edited by: vasuul on 27/06/2011 14:39:22 YES
we have generated a lot of bad publicity for them and got our message out i have posted some of them here now its time too see if they will get off their high horse and treat us better still if this fails fire away Bless our CSM's lets hope they really do speak for us and the nex store will go up in flames along with anymore microtransaction ideas ISK is our currency love live ISK
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-controversy-erupts-in-protests/
http://n4g.com/news/793980/eve-online-players-protest-against-microtransactions-and-monocles-lasers-involved/com
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/319384/page/1
http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/eve-online-in-game-protest/503801/?page=last
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqRgX1g0aeQ&
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/06/25/1847248/emEVE-Onlineem-Players-Rage-Protest-Over-Microtransactions
http://www.blogbookmark.com/story.php?title=eve-online-players-rage-protest-over-microtransactions
http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2011/06/riots-in-eve-against-microtransactions.html
http://muscatoxblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/eve-online-protests-continue-over.html
http://www.pcgamer.com/?p=58382
http://games.on.net/article/12887/EVE_Online_Users_In_Protest_Over_Third_Party_Development_Fees
http://beefjack.com/news/eve-online-players-riot-in-game-against-microtransactions/
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1087505
http://segmentnext.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-new-changes-lead-to-riots-and-fan-rage/?amp&
http://massively.joystiq.com/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/ccp-addresses-eve-controversies-in-new-dev-blog/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387588,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121
Viva La revolution
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Simeon Whiteheaven
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:41:00 -
[386]
yes
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:44:00 -
[387]
noway. if you stop where will i get fun when i'm bored?
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Whim Aqayn
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:45:00 -
[388]
Yes.
Only if they do it immediately after the meeting.
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Ana Vyr
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:49:00 -
[389]
No way. The problems with this latest debacle could have been avoided with better communication. Why should we let them off the hook? This situation needs to be a learning experience of significance for everybody. Sweeping this under the rug would be a mistake.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:01:00 -
[390]
updated to post 389: yes say 165, no say 180.
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:03:00 -
[391]
Yes ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months. |
Tahnil
GNADE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:05:00 -
[392]
YES
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:08:00 -
[393]
Yes.
Oh wait, I don't care because this thread, OP, and the entire concept of a "revolution" in this context are laughable.
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52 MonocIes
52 Monocles
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:09:00 -
[394]
NO
What zulu said, "there will be no golden ammo" might mean, depending on how he feels like, one of few things: 1. There will be silver ammo. 2. There will be golden ships. 3. There will actually be golden ammo, he is just lying. (vide 2010 CCP Fallout post about "there will be no MT in eve").
So no, all he has done is a psycho-warfare maneuver designed to stop the players from leaving for 2 days. Counting that after that time they wont care that much and keep playing and paying. -- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Threadnaughts on fire off the shoulder of Orion... |
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