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Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:15:00 -
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Hello fellow MD investors!
I am looking for a 7 B loan to increase my trading ability with regional -A- hubs trading.
Summary Loan size: 7B (7 Billion ISK) Min Investment: 250M Rate: 10% Collateral: None Start date: Oct 1th (earlier if ISK received later) Maturity: November 1th
What do i need the ISK for?I currently have about 3B in ISK which i use for regional hub trading but I need more ISK to increase my trading ability. I trade between regions and am averaging 40-100 M ISK profit per day, depending on the length I play.
With the inject of 7B I can effectively trade more and make more ISK. Means more ISK for me and a nice easy profit for the investors.
Terms The loan will start on Oct 1th as long as all ISK has been received. (Will start later if waiting for ISK). If you wish to pull out before the 30 days you will not receive any interest. 10% interest will be paid within 48 hours in November. (+30 days from start date if loan starts later)
I will keep you up to date on this thread of my progress or via evemail if that's your preference
Risks ~ I do not carry more than 1B ISK worth of items at one time on my alts. (limits the risk of getting popped). ~ No profit - I don't see this happening, if it does then the investment & interest will be paid out of my own pocket. ~ Wardec - my transports alts belong to a NPC's corp.
FAQ. Q: Previous Loans? A: None. This is practicly first time however i got over 1 year of expierience in market areas of -A-
Q: Alts? Mains? A: Kell Tarhun is my main character. My alts and transport account i keep confidential far away from curious eyes for station trading / hauling / freighter.
Q: No collateral? A: I have an obelisk but i need it for station trading.
Q: Will you steal my ISK? A: I have no interest in stealing or running away with the ISK. I have no reason to do so. You guys will be helping me make ISK so in turn i am willing to pay the interest.
Please feel free to ask any questions. Kell Tarhun |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:28:00 -
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421 corp mates and no one can give you a 7 B loan ? |
Joe Public
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:33:00 -
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It is well known that -A- are honourless cowards.
Can we expect you to run with the money, like you run from fights? |
Lelob
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:36:00 -
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I will give you this loan but I first require the obelisk as a goodwill gesture. |
Hinkledolph
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:37:00 -
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NO!!! |
Pusswah
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:41:00 -
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I might consider loaning you 20b, but you would of course need to satisfy the usual requirements for ISRAD membership to prove where ur loyalties lie.
pm T'Renn in game for info~~~ |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:47:00 -
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flakeys wrote:421 corp mates and no one can give you a 7 B loan ? This.
If your own corp mates do not trust you enough to loan you a paltry 7B, then why should anyone else? |
Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 09:03:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:flakeys wrote:421 corp mates and no one can give you a 7 B loan ? This. If your own corp mates do not trust you enough to loan you a paltry 7B, then why should anyone else?
Market investments i do on my own. Most corporations i was in care of shooting to protect their own business. I do not care personally about corporations, alliances that much. Honestly i know just 2 guys from my current corporation. Me separate pleasures from work. Making isk is kind of work for me in Eve Online. Thats why this post to find investors and improve isk/h profit. |
Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 09:10:00 -
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Pusswah wrote:I might consider loaning you 20b, but you would of course need to satisfy the usual requirements for ISRAD membership to prove where ur loyalties lie.
pm T'Renn in game for info~~~
"T'Renn is either offline or otherwise unreachable." |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
111
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Posted - 2012.09.15 09:17:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:Market investments i do on my own. Most corporations i was in care of shooting to protect their own business. I do not care personally about corporations, alliances that much. Honestly i know just 2 guys from my current corporation. Me separate pleasures from work. Making isk is kind of work for me in Eve Online. Thats why this post to find investors and improve isk/h profit. While that may explain your situation, it does not really help your case.
If you have few friends and no real ties to the community (be that your corp/alliance, MD or EVE in general) then you have little to lose by scamming.
7b is a lot to ask from strangers without any evidence to suggest you would pay it back. A smaller loan, or one with collateral, would be more appropriate. |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2012.09.15 09:20:00 -
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Panda Legion , kindergarten CAOD is that way -> |
Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 09:21:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Kell Tarhun wrote:Market investments i do on my own. Most corporations i was in care of shooting to protect their own business. I do not care personally about corporations, alliances that much. Honestly i know just 2 guys from my current corporation. Me separate pleasures from work. Making isk is kind of work for me in Eve Online. Thats why this post to find investors and improve isk/h profit. While that may explain your situation, it does not really help your case. If you have few friends and no real ties to the community (be that your corp/alliance, MD or EVE in general) then you have little to lose by scamming. 7b is a lot to ask from strangers without any evidence to suggest you would pay it back. A smaller loan, or one with collateral, would be more appropriate.
i make steady small profits each day. My alliance history is pretty obvious, i am connected with -A- territories for more than 1 year. All things considered it is obvious i make profits of those regions for long amount of time. I see reasons to make them higher. Those who want to participate in profits i offer 10% share. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.09.15 09:54:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:I currently have about 3B in ISK which i use for regional hub trading but I need more ISK to increase my trading ability. I trade between regions and am averaging 40-100 M ISK profit per day, depending on the length I play. Kell Tarhun wrote:i got over 1 year of expierience in market areas of -A- Kell Tarhun wrote:i make steady small profits each day. My alliance history is pretty obvious, i am connected with -A- territories for more than 1 year. All things considered it is obvious i make profits of those regions for long amount of time. I do not think it is obvious. Could you explain it further?
If you have over 1 year of experience trading in this way for steady profits, then why do you only have 3b, a freighter and no other significant assets to show for it?
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Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:05:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Kell Tarhun wrote:I currently have about 3B in ISK which i use for regional hub trading but I need more ISK to increase my trading ability. I trade between regions and am averaging 40-100 M ISK profit per day, depending on the length I play. Kell Tarhun wrote:i got over 1 year of expierience in market areas of -A- Kell Tarhun wrote:i make steady small profits each day. My alliance history is pretty obvious, i am connected with -A- territories for more than 1 year. All things considered it is obvious i make profits of those regions for long amount of time. I do not think it is obvious. Could you explain it further? If you have over 1 year of experience trading in this way for steady profits, then why do you only have 3b, a freighter and no other significant assets to show for it?
I am not sure if you taking my serious. If u going for your own just like i am you need to put effort: - I need to find out where profits are - I need to find out demand - I need to organise everything on your own to prevent some organised or lonely bastards make you loose what u achieved - I need to pay every mount plexes for accounts i am using - I need to organise ships for transports - i need to keep self in shape for defending what i already have - I need to spend my own time to make profit of what i got
Sure i got over 1 year epierience of trading in this area with steady profits and i build solo my own infrastucture for it having lots of random problems while that. I think my current result is pretty good. Profits are stable for me and want to increase them. I got assets in jita however not going to offer them as collaterial as i am using them on my own. Running everything cost - plex, environment and secure way of moving assets. I do not look for competition in what i am doing but for investors. Currently i am more than sure injection of isk would make y personal profits higher. Thats what this post is all about. |
Pusswah
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:07:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:Pusswah wrote:I might consider loaning you 20b, but you would of course need to satisfy the usual requirements for ISRAD membership to prove where ur loyalties lie.
pm T'Renn in game for info~~~ "T'Renn is either offline or otherwise unreachable." He's probably in his photography studio.
Keep trying. |
Blueprint Seller
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:14:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:No collateral I suggest you take another look at your assets.
If you find anything you are not making use of then you need to either:
a) Liquidate it to reduce the need for obtaining a loan.
b) Put it up for collateral to reduce the cost and difficulty of obtaining a loan.
If you find some collateral then I'd be happy to offer you a loan for less than 10%, but otherwise you have nothing to offer me but weak promises and unproven figures. |
Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:31:00 -
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Blueprint Seller wrote:Kell Tarhun wrote:No collateral I suggest you take another look at your assets. If you find anything you are not making use of then you need to either: a) Liquidate it to reduce the need for obtaining a loan. b) Put it up for collateral to reduce the cost and difficulty of obtaining a loan. If you find some collateral then I'd be happy to offer you a loan for less than 10%, but otherwise you have nothing to offer me but weak promises and unproven figures.
Well to be honest i am not going to change my offer as it will cut me down from profits. To answer to your points. I am doing trading because i am patient and liquidating assets and my investments for your private security is bad deal for me. So your point a) i find more political than market. You do not make rapid moment in working trade environment.
I am offering profit In my opinion average and decent 10%.
I am not in need to get isk. I can simply wait 2-3 more months and achieve what i plan at the moment without any help from outside. However i belive market got something to offer to push up my investments as i will pay in return 10% profit of invested isk.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:35:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:I am not sure if you taking my serious. If u going for your own just like i am you need to put effort
.... I am most certainly taking your serious.
I fully understand the effort involved in making isk.
I am asking questions in an effort to find out if you are motivated, honest and competent.
Kell Tarhun wrote:I do not look for competition in what i am doing but for investors. Currently i am more than sure injection of isk would make y personal profits higher. Thats what this post is all about. If you are attempting to raise money from strangers then your post needs to be more about what other people believe and less about what you believe.
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Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:43:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Kell Tarhun wrote:I am not sure if you taking my serious. If u going for your own just like i am you need to put effort
.... I am most certainly taking your serious. I fully understand the effort involved in making isk. I am asking questions in an effort to find out if you are motivated, honest and competent. Kell Tarhun wrote:I do not look for competition in what i am doing but for investors. Currently i am more than sure injection of isk would make y personal profits higher. Thats what this post is all about. If you are attempting to raise money from strangers then your post needs to be more about what other people believe and less about what you believe.
There is no sense to put personal arguments in market post or spam me. Offer is transparent in my first post. here. Feel free to contact me if you are interested.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:59:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:There is no sense to put personal arguments in market postor spam me. Offer is transparent in my first post. here. Feel free to contact me if you are interested. You are in the "Market Discussions" forum. If you do not want to discuss your loan then maybe you have chosen the wrong place to ask for it. |
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Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:10:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Kell Tarhun wrote:There is no sense to put personal arguments in market postor spam me. Offer is transparent in my first post. here. Feel free to contact me if you are interested. You are in the "Market Discussions" forum. If you do not want to discuss your loan then maybe you have chosen the wrong place to ask for it.
There is so many griefers and spammers. And to be honest i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you. I do not find my psychological arguments that much important. I run business and i am more about numbers. Good impression, positive PR - it is not me. Maybe it appears in reader mind , but who knows what more. If you interested in investing lets make it. i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures. |
Blueprint Seller
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:10:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:Well to be honest i am not going to change my offer as it will cut me down from profits. To answer to your points. I am doing trading because i am patient and liquidating assets and my investments for your private security is bad deal for me. Ok. I think I understand your situation. But I also think you are asking for too much for an unknown person with no collateral or audit.
Good luck finding investment, I will pass. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:27:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you. Actually, I think this conversation has revealed some usefull information that was not available in the original post.
Kell Tarhun wrote:I do not find my psychological arguments that much important. When you are lending spaceships money to a stranger on an spaceships forum these phychological arguments are one of few tools we have available to figure out if something is legitimate or not.
Kell Tarhun wrote:I run business and i am more about numbers. Ok, so give me some more numbers and get an audit to confirm them.
You are asking to be given 7b isk, so you should be prepared to put some work in to the process.
Kell Tarhun wrote:Good impression, positive PR - it is not me. Yes, I realise that. However if you want someone to come out of their comfort zone and risk 7b isk in an investment with you then you may have to come out of your comfort zone first.
Kell Tarhun wrote:i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures. Do not worry, if they are not interested they will not read it.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:53:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:Kell Tarhun wrote:There is no sense to put personal arguments in market postor spam me. Offer is transparent in my first post. here. Feel free to contact me if you are interested. You are in the "Market Discussions" forum. If you do not want to discuss your loan then maybe you have chosen the wrong place to ask for it. There is so many griefers and spammers. And to be honest i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you. I do not find my psychological arguments that much important. I run business and i am more about numbers. Good impression, positive PR - it is not me. Maybe it appears in reader mind , but who knows what more. If you interested in investing lets make it. i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures.
Bad bobby is not the one who has an issue dealing with you , it's you who has an issue dealing with the standard procedures that come with a loan on MD.As you said yourself nothing has changed on the original post and that post will ensure no investments at all from the people here.
My suggestion , don't look at this thread again , don't reply and never come back for a loan request on MD.
Saves yourself and others time wich could be better spend picking ones nose ... |
Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:55:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:I run business and i am more about numbers. Ok, so give me some more numbers and get an audit to confirm them.
I am sorry but giving details from a to z is not what is going to happen in this topic. I can gave you general idea and u need to evaluate it on your own i got strong points like:
1 stable access to 0.0 market gives a lot of profit - for me enaught to pay for my ideas, infrastructure, play and spare time enjoyment. You can easily audit on your own to what territories i got access to in 0.0 2 credible alliance history 3 expierience in what i am doing as you won;t find any looses maybe empty industrial ships. I am more than sure you won't find character involved in my business. Thats one of reasons i am doing my own things stable - as only way to keep things go smooth is not informing random guys about my own ways of getting isk. 4 i belive you can check me on your own using your own ways i may be not aware of - and i do not have to be
So long story short: 1 I am not charity organisation 2 I offer avarage profit, made market search here and there are investment projects running from 5 to 15% here in topic 3 I refuse to be checked in a way that put my own investments into risk 4 i do not care of forum griefers that appeared or will appear in my post |
Elli M0o
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:08:00 -
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are you actually serious mate? I mean i am no where close to being a trader but even a MD noob like me wouldnt lend a million with that attitude of yours.
So all basically say is shut up and send me the isk or F*** off? Awesome approach.
I'm a bit sad to be blue to someone like you. |
Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:16:00 -
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Elli M0o wrote:are you actually serious mate? I mean i am no where close to being a trader but even a MD noob like me wouldnt lend a million with that attitude of yours.
So all basically say is shut up and send me the isk or F*** off? Awesome approach.
I'm a bit sad to be blue to someone like you.
Well i am not charity. For good social skills go to other topic i am here for money not to gain posters sympathy. I got profit, investors get profit it is all about the isk. As mentioned in earlier post million is not possible to make profits with me.
I do not care of your good mood - isk matters. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:24:00 -
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Kell Tarhun wrote:stable access to 0.0 How likely do you think it is that you will continue to have stable access to 0.0? I understand that you are at war with a formidable opponent and have been on the losing side thus far.
What will the impact be to your business if you lose access to 0.0? What are the chances that your assets will be lost or sold at firesale prices? Will you be able to afford the interest in this case? Will you be able to repay the principal in this case?
Kell Tarhun wrote:credible alliance history You haven't been in your current corp very long and you've already stated that you do not have strong ties there.
Kell Tarhun wrote:I offer avarage profit, made market search here and there are investment projects running from 5 to 15% here in topic I have no complaint about 10% interest at all. I think that is fine.
But you are asking for 7b, which is more than a first time investee should expect to raise without collateral.
If you had made an excellent proposal, answered questions well and had a good attitude you would still struggle to raise 7b at any interest rate as a first time uncollateralised unaudited investee.
Given that your proposal was not excellent, you have not answered questions well and you are being uncooperative... you are making matters even harder for yourself. Maybe someone will be foolish or charitable enough to invest, but you would have a better chance of success in a high footfall area like Jita local.
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Kell Tarhun
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:09:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote: How likely do you think it is that you will continue to have stable access to 0.0? I understand that you are at war with a formidable opponent and have been on the losing side thus far.
Beacuse i always have access to 0.0 for last 3 years. If u check my employment history all corpotions this character was involved you will find out i was living in south 0.0 with positive relations to -A- areas. It is not a problem for me to get access to any corporation in living in south blue to -A-.
Bad Bobby wrote: What will the impact be to your business if you lose access to 0.0? What are the chances that your assets will be lost or sold at firesale prices? Will you be able to afford the interest in this case? Will you be able to repay the principal in this case?
Good question. However i do not see it a problem my logistic is outside and not connected with this toon. Considering noone knows it. It is possible for me to run it. Accidents happens however pretty sure all my chars will be not kicked in same time from alliances having blue standing to -A-. Besides i never do firesales. From time to time i buy items from them as they save my logistic time.
Bad Bobby wrote: You haven't been in your current corp very long and you've already stated that you do not have strong ties there.
But you are asking for 7b, which is more than a first time investee should expect to raise without collateral.
If you had made an excellent proposal, answered questions well and had a good attitude you would still struggle to raise 7b at any interest rate as a first time uncollateralised unaudited investee.
Given that your proposal was not excellent, you have not answered questions well and you are being uncooperative... you are making matters even harder for yourself. Maybe someone will be foolish or charitable enough to invest, but you would have a better chance of success in a high footfall area like Jita local.
Well considering all corps i was are still connected with -A- and not only -A- i am pretty sure i got very strong ties with south 0.0 and more 0.0 than just south. I do not have to be long in one corporation to do my things. As mentioned earlier i split work from pleasure. My goals are pretty clear - get more profit than at this moment and i made very slow long term effort to realise it. Yea 10% looks normal and to be honest in my eyes it is ok as well. Considering all you got to offer is personal judgments - my answer for you is simple: No money no honey.
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Makro SSRI
dat corp
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:45:00 -
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Imo, 7b for a first time uncollateralized loan is a bit much to ask for, considering this amounts to more than one year of plex. Surely, a smaller amount would still be of use to your operation and more likely to be filled, if you would additionally be more forthcoming with potential investors. |
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