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Ashera Yune
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:23:00 -
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Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
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Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:24:00 -
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In year 2012 is the end of world.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:25:00 -
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Well tbh I also think it will fail, but we will have to wait first, don't we? :)
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:25:00 -
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Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:29:00 -
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If they plan on charging prices like they are in EVE then yes it will...
Just wait, when it comes out ppl are going to compare the prices between games and this mess is going to start all over.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:29:00 -
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It's actually getting pretty funny how even the reviewers who blatantly get paid under the table with advertising campaigns are getting sick of games companies who just aren't making full products anymore. I like the ideas and everything but these days I'm honestly just wanting them to die off and stop having a monopoly over the games industry and let people who actually care about games have a shot.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing.
So your point of reference for a platform where generic MilShooter's are king is a 10 year old PC game? You need a new point of reference. Also, PC gamer niche and PS3 gamer niche is a whole lot less 0's in player count --------------------
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
So what?
CCP is its own company, the money for Dust development is paid by EVE. If Dust fails, it fails. And? Expensive lesson for CCP, nothing else. |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nypheas Azurai So your point of reference for a platform where generic MilShooter's are king is a 10 year old PC game?
No, my point is that there is no point of reference on consoles and that the comparable game on PC had surprising lasting power compared to its mainstream not-quite-competitors. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Ashera Yune
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Ashera Yune This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
So what?
CCP is its own company, the money for Dust development is paid by EVE. If Dust fails, it fails. And? Expensive lesson for CCP, nothing else.
Ah yes and losing confidence of their investors.
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Death Merchant
United Mining And Distribution
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
CCP have been busting their ass for years and now after 1 expansion their performance and work ethic is a 5.5?
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Suki Youov
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:36:00 -
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This is blatantly going to be crap. Looks like another bland on-rails shooter for the mass market, to me.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:37:00 -
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It will fail. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about it. It doesn't look bad. But it doesn't look great. And for console shooters, mediocrity is the kiss of death.
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Ashera Yune
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
CCP have been busting their ass for years and now after 1 expansion their performance and work ethic is a 5.5?
Hahahahahaha! Busting their ass? They had many years to work on Incarna, what did we get? One frikkin room! Why have they not fixed issue with covert T3 not working with Black Ops, Took 2 years to fix the explosion velocity of rockets, not fixed the crappy subsystems of T3s, the fitting issues of many ships especially the Omen, I can list on and on about problems in the game which should have been solved already!
This is sloppy work! You do not leaves your foundations full of holes or else it will crumble!
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia No, my point is that there is no point of reference on consoles is bland generic shooters such as Halo or in the case of PS3 something equally but lesser-known clone and that the comparable game on PC had surprising lasting power compared to its mainstream not-quite-competitors because PC games have surprising lasting power in general and therefore cannot at all be compared to console games which last 1-2 years at most and at maximum the life of the platform.
fixed your post. --------------------
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Inherent Vice
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Inherent Vice on 27/06/2011 09:52:59 I assume it will have its 2 or 3 months where PS3-playes actually give it a chance. Then it gets replaced by the next MilShooter that will be relased. At this time, CCP won¦t have fixed even 10% of its initial problems, so Dust goes into history as one of the laughing stocks of console gaming industry.
Shortly after this, when no one plays it anymore, it will be converted into the main intrument in sov warfare what pretty much f**ks up EVE. Blog posts by Hilmar and Zulu will point out the huge number of players which play on both systems (PS3 and PC). They will try to convince you to buy a PS3 and Dust if you are interested in 0.0 and of course they will introduce a very convenient way to combine both accounts, so you can spent the Aurum from your EVE-O account on Dust-ammo and equipment. What comes after this isn¦t really important, because the Vogons will pulverize Earth for an intergalactic hyperspace bypass route. Humanity will find out that the ancient Maya were the only ones who got the information letter about the destruction of earth.
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WhiskeyGirl
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:53:00 -
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what my friend said, it'll be in the Walmart discount basket...
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:54:00 -
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It is going to be the first FPS you will need 3 separate apps to play.
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Cannonfodder1982
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Posted - 2011.06.27 09:58:00 -
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im not so sure it will fail as such, but if ccp think they will get long life out of a console shooter they are mistaken, all they have to do is look at past records console gamers buy new games hammer em and then move on when something new comes out,
and like stated earlier dropping the 360 in favor for the ps3 is not a wise move, last time i checked the ps3 had ther smallest player base of this generation of consoles (correct me if im wrong)
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 27/06/2011 10:06:25 Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 27/06/2011 10:05:49
Originally by: Cannonfodder1982 im not so sure it will fail as such, but if ccp think they will get long life out of a console shooter they are mistaken, all they have to do is look at past records console gamers buy new games hammer em and then move on when something new comes out,
and like stated earlier dropping the 360 in favor for the ps3 is not a wise move, last time i checked the ps3 had ther smallest player base of this generation of consoles (correct me if im wrong)
You're wrong. Worldwide PS3 comes in at a close second behind the Wii.
Also, all the console shooters only last a couple months" talk is so off base I'd stupid. Modern Warfare 1 is 4 years old and still has over a million online players.
But you know, if all of you nay-sayers want to bet some ISK on the viability of Dust 514, I'm all for it. Offers in billions only please.
Edit: And for the thousandth time, Micro**** shut CCP out, not the other way around.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:09:00 -
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I dont think it will fail at all. the Carbon Technology that CCP has been developing is not only going towards EVE and DUST, but it seems they are gearing to sell it to other developers as well. (Much like the Quake2 engine was used for HalfLife, or Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect)
Their character creator (which is also part of Carbon) is superior to any character creator in the game industry currently. Compare it to Fallout 3 or Mass Effect 2 for examples. CCP clearly is leading here.
Further, consider how hardcore eve is. When you die, you actually lose ****. How many FPS games are like that? I cant wait to see this hardcore aspect of eve tied into an FPS game. it should be ****ing awesome.
And, assuming that Dust and Eve are both sharing much of the same Carbon code, im hoping that 5 years down the road when PS3 is dead and gone... maybe CCP will release Dust for Eve as an expansion ^_^
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing.
More likely a low populated niche.
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Mouthy Misses
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:11:00 -
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i never said months and one game like mw1 doesnt typically cogver the whole console community as whole
and if i was MS id shut ccp out too although i dont believe that is the case regardless of whats been said, ccp looks to be climbing in bed with SONY even if they do deny it someone at ccp leaked that info so there is bound to be some truth in it to some degree
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Ayame Yubari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:16:00 -
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I'm inclined to agree, simply because CCP has no experience whatsover with shooters and the shooter market is extremely saturated. Mediocrity simply won't cut it.
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Tippia Since my point of reference isn't some bland and generic MilShooter, but rather an actual MMOFPS (Planetside)à yes. I think people will. It will be niche, just like EVE, but that's not a bad thing.
More likely a low populated niche.
And Dust only having 250-500 thousand players is bad? Eve is likewise a low populated niche.
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:23:00 -
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By developing a FPS, they're entering a very competitive market with no experience or track record, and that will be a big problem for them.
There will be higher expectations placed on this game, especially in terms of delivering a polished, finished product, which has not exactly been CCP's forte. And there are plenty of strong alternatives to distract people away if they don't deliver on that.
They are differentiating their product from the rest of the field by the MMO/persistent world aspect. Time will tell, but I'm not sure the average FPS player will appreciate this added value enough to justify the extra technical complication. It will be a technical handful to implement, and take a lot of developer time away from achieving the triple-A "polish" mentioned above. And if the concept really does catch on like wildfire, the major players will be up and running with MMO features tacked onto their own titles within a year.
Yeah, there is probably a niche of hard-core FPS/MMO types with enough attention span to enjoy the persistent world gimmick. Maybe they will have wallets to back up their enjoyment with in-game purchases, and maybe they'll be loyal for more than the couple of months until the next major triple-A shooter release.
But if CCP were any less Fearless, I imagine they'd be having a lot of sleepless nights about those questions.
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Azanee Yarabokin
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity I dont think it will fail at all. the Carbon Technology that CCP has been developing is not only going towards EVE and DUST, but it seems they are gearing to sell it to other developers as well. (Much like the Quake2 engine was used for HalfLife, or Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect)
CQ has shown just how much this Carbon technology will be worth in an FPS. They can't even get a decent framerate for one toon in a single room without turning modern PCs into ovens. What do you think will happen when they try the same codebase on consoles that were designed years ago? I'll give you a hint: Mummy and Daddy won't be happy when Junior sets the family room on fire trying to play Dust. Don't even bother arguing this is a first implementation and they'll improve the code. By now all the CQ coders are working on code to force you to buy $1k pants to power your internet spaceship. One pair of pants = one AU in warp. Fixing bugs is for suckers, not for people who wear $1k pants!
I pity the fool who licenses CCP code!
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Obsidian Cobra
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:34:00 -
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It will fail and the reason why are:
1: Lets face it there are alot better shooters for the consols, Modern warfare, Battlefield, Gears of war....an Unknown developer making a semi good shooter with RMT Involved Its gona go down fast
2: Playstation 3 exclusive, CUTS down the market alot if you take out the Xbox and the PC..( and I think there were god reason behind why Xbox did not want it)
3: I think they are kidding themselfs if they think Consol players will dedicate themself more then 6 months( and then im being generous) to any FPS..
It has Massive FAIL writen all over it but after 1 year it might get ported to the PC as a free to play title... might save it but I fear CCP might be close to shuting down by then.. If they stay on the Path they have set for themselfs...
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Iluminat
Minmatar Sharp Dressed Man
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Azanee Yarabokin CQ has shown just how much this Carbon technology will be worth in an FPS. They can't even get a decent framerate for one toon in a single room without turning modern PCs into ovens.
i5 2500k-gtx 560 = 80 FPS
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Cobra
3: I think they are kidding themselfs if they think Consol players will dedicate themself more then 6 months( and then im being generous) to any FPS..
I think this point sums it up for me, even if they get the hype and get the figures at launch I find it hard to imagine console players maintaining an interest in it long terms and changing that is the real challenge. Good luck to them though, it's a brave move.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Cobra 3: I think they are kidding themselfs if they think Consol players will dedicate themself more then 6 months( and then im being generous) to any FPS.
It has happened before, so it's not that much of a stretch. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:49:00 -
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One ray of hope to counter my previous cynical post...
I think I've heard they're developing this game in Singapore, and as we know for the Sony platform. Maybe they've actually done some research and think they have a handle on the asian market.
Competetive RTS games like Starcraft are crazy popular in Korea, the Sony platform sells very well in Japan, and they do love the microtransactions over there.
No idea, but maybe we're not the target market at all. Better re-map your keyboard for kanji if you want to call those planet strikes.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Azanee Yarabokin CQ has shown just how much this Carbon technology will be worth in an FPS. They can't even get a decent framerate for one toon in a single room without turning modern PCs into ovens.
this bothers me every single time, when my toon is in station my PC is close to melting due to high load (lol).
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Cobra 1: Lets face it there are alot better shooters for the consols, Modern warfare, Battlefield, Gears of war....an Unknown developer making a semi good shooter with RMT Involved Its gona go down fast
2: Playstation 3 exclusive, CUTS down the market alot if you take out the Xbox and the PC..( and I think there were god reason behind why Xbox did not want it)
3: I think they are kidding themselfs if they think Consol players will dedicate themself more then 6 months( and then im being generous) to any FPS..
That's quiet true. CCP makes bad moves after bad moves.
Introducing AUR economy instead of working on the game is a fail. Making of Eve a P2W type of game is a fail. Developping a Playstation-only FPS is a MASSIVE fail.
WoD will have to be one hell of a game to make it up to that. Oh wait ! GoW2 is coming. WoD stand no chances.
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:26:00 -
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I had already thought it was something like this, by in the light the leaked doc, it seems CCP has gotten some sweet deal from Sony to release dust on ps3 only. While saying that "They are reaching for a different market" they must know a good portion of eve players would also like to participate what might be the largest ever expansion of eve online, forcing them to buy PS3s if they dont have one. Its a money grab and a slap on the face of the eve community.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:52:00 -
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Dust is going to be a stellar addition to New Eden...can't wait for it myself. And from what I've seen and know so far, I believe it will attract a rather large and rabid fanbase (even if it is "niche" compared to other FPS games). ~Gnosis~ |
Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:55:00 -
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WoD will come out just as the current craze for all things vampire ebbs. ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------ |
Inari Kobayashi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:57:00 -
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We all know it will be mildly interesting to the bulk of PS3 users initially. Then they will get bored and go on to something new.
Within a year the only people playing Dust will be EVE subscribers with a PS3.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
The first sentence I quoted really isn't true. People who play shooters (or RPGs, or RTS's) tend to have one or two favorites. They will continue to play these shooters for years, even though new games are introduced constantly. So what Dust needs to succeed is enough initial sales to reach a critical number of fans who will play long-term.
Your second sentence is more likely. And if the game flops on release, it will probably not reach "critical mass".
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Fire Watch
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:17:00 -
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Almost everyone deep down knows Dust will flop.
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Brava Giovanna
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:18:00 -
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LOL WHAT A FAIL an fps that could be played only if u like eve online... but if things will continue on this way and eve will continue to collect terrible rate on game forums... who will play a not-completely-free mediocre unknowed fps? LOL
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Fire Watch Almost everyone deep down knows Dust will flop.
Have you taken a survey of the entire playerbase? Is it valid? Can you link us to the results? ~Gnosis~ |
Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
It's ok ... we're already paying for it's development
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Mary Astell
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:21:00 -
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Yes it will fail, no doubt really. Though since CCP seems to spend 90% of their budget on putting ads all over the web they might get their money back. Cant see the game being popular for long.
As for peoples PC's getting hot, thats funny. No game can make your PC components run over 100% of their capabilities. If your pc cannot manage the heat its components create then you are doing something wrong.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:22:00 -
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Why would you play an FPS on a console that is connected to a world that you don't care about at all?
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:23:00 -
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If we only could bomb planets, then I would without a doubt keep at least one account just to get nasty with Dust players. It would be great fun to grief them!
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz
WoD will come out just as the current craze for all things vampire ebbs.
Are the kids still going on about vampires?? I thought that was 2008. Oh well, you know fashion, by 2014(+?) when the game is released, maybe vampires will be cool again. And goth never goes out of style ... just not sure if they'll be willing to give up their cigarette money for a virtual eyebrow ring.
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Jai Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jai Jones on 27/06/2011 13:24:32 The problem is not the impending potential failure but the fact Eve sub base will be expected to pick up the tab for it.
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Tosser Galore
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:25:00 -
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At least it's not vapourware..
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Nanian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:25:00 -
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I was actually planning on getting it untill I found out it was MT based - though no info was released at all, it did sound to me that its more about buying weapons which is better - and that would absolutely ruin it, and im not exactly a fan of MT in any aspect at all.
Though vanity items is acceptable, I simply can't accept buying items that has impact on gameplay even if you can earn it through ingame mechanics.
And well, after what CCP also just pulled off here, that just further put me in a position where I most likely won't be buying it at all, even though I believe the idea behind the games concept is quite awesome - simply can't afford to pay to buy items to upgrade my character with real money, where as i'd most likely be at a disadvantage since other people would most likely have more money to get even more upgrades for their character and would certainly not prove to be a fun experience at all for me.
Such a shame really, was really looking forward to it >_<
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Uther Istavel
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:29:00 -
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I dont think it will fail, just fail to reach its potential.
It may turn out to be a fantastic shooter, however that isnt so much the point of it.
EVE is a niche game, with DUST being a console exclusive, im kinda finding it hard to believe the average player is going to care much about the outcome of battles just their K/D ratio. I know that sounds a little too general and i apologise, but only because its something i suffer from myself, often times i just care if i have fun in the match, winning is just a bonus. This will be at odds with what we the pilots want, if we're paying substantial amounts of money to DUST mercs, we're going to want a good job done properly, and im just struggling to imagine many players caring at all.
Though we'll just have to wait and see, personally i hope there is NO level based progression- this way DUST players will rely on the income gained from the capsuleers to upgrade their characters, hopefully this will spur more effort to win matches.
/cynicism off. _______________________________________________
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Bullyboutya
Minmatar Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive.
Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
Another one who who is clueless. DUST will be the Anti COD, BF3, MOH Blah Blah. Those three game I just mentioned all have the same concept. I'm a newb in EVE want to know how I heard about EVE thru a game called MAG (Which has the same concept as Dust) MAG is the anit COD. Those are the players that Dust will attract. CCP already stated that Dust will be a thinking person shooter. LOL do you think people who play COD and the like think LOL LOL LOL LOL.
Look how EVE is set up do you think COD players want a shooter that has the complexity of EVE um hello did you see the COD commercial "BE THE ULTIMATE SOLDIER" AKA be a selfish bastard. If CCP can nail down the concept along a with a great game play Dust WILL BE THE FUTURE of FPS gaming.
Now IMO EVE having about 50,000 players online will help keep DUST going. If a trashy game like MAG with all its problems still have 5,000 people playing it on a daily basis. There is no doubt in my mind that DUST will be successful.
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Bloody2k
Gallente ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:30:00 -
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Dust 514 is definitely a FAIL! I know in my circle of friends many owners of a Playstation, but no one is interested in Dust 514. Einmal mit Profis! |
Brava Giovanna
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:32:00 -
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lol if ccp think that as (maybe "ex") eve fan i will run to buy a ps3 to play dust and feed them with mt.... what a ****ty idea, if it come out for PC with a subscription and without mt i will be proud of buy it and try to publicize the game among my friends... i have done the same for eve before some days ago... what a shame....
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VeloxMors
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:35:00 -
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Yep, this is fairly obvious IMO. Solely PS3 was the worst choice CCP could have made... it's basically a gigantic "**** you" to their main demographic. Add in their intentions of hardcore MT in Dust, and there's little doubt it's going to be very unpopular.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: edith prickley One ray of hope to counter my previous cynical post...
I think I've heard they're developing this game in Singapore, and as we know for the Sony platform. Maybe they've actually done some research and think they have a handle on the asian market.
Competetive RTS games like Starcraft are crazy popular in Korea, the Sony platform sells very well in Japan, and they do love the microtransactions over there.
No idea, but maybe we're not the target market at all. Better re-map your keyboard for kanji if you want to call those planet strikes.
Shanghai, China. Not Singapore.
The development work is still managed by CCP and judging a game's success by where the code monkeys live is, well, ignorant. It is the fools who are designing / managing the project and funding stuff that count.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Makko Gray
Originally by: Obsidian Cobra
3: I think they are kidding themselfs if they think Consol players will dedicate themself more then 6 months( and then im being generous) to any FPS..
I think this point sums it up for me, even if they get the hype and get the figures at launch I find it hard to imagine console players maintaining an interest in it long terms and changing that is the real challenge. Good luck to them though, it's a brave move.
You've obviously never played any modern FPS game. Battlefield, Left 4 Dead... Call of Duty 4... and how the **** can you overlook Halo, people still play the original...
Perhaps YOU dont play FPS on consoles, but a LOT of people do. For a PC gamer like me, and i guess you... it can be easy to overlook the console as a FPS platform. I indeed enjoy my mouse for superior marksmanship! but, there are millions of people who dont even have a home computer, or at least not one capable of running modern games. Consoles are many people's only source of videogaming.
I think this is the very reason CCP is targeting consoles. because they know its an entirely different audience, completely separate from EVE's player base. They want to bring in more customers. And before you go off about 'ccp greed' etc, realize that more ccp customers = more victims for you in eve, so relax.
Originally by: Azanee Yarabokin
CQ has shown just how much this Carbon technology will be worth in an FPS. They can't even get a decent framerate for one toon in a single room without turning modern PCs into ovens. What do you think will happen when they try the same codebase on consoles that were designed years ago? I'll give you a hint: Mummy and Daddy won't be happy when Junior sets the family room on fire trying to play Dust. Don't even bother arguing this is a first implementation and they'll improve the code. By now all the CQ coders are working on code to force you to buy $1k pants to power your internet spaceship. One pair of pants = one AU in warp. Fixing bugs is for suckers, not for people who wear $1k pants!
I pity the fool who licenses CCP code!
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Im running incarna with max settings on a 3 year old 400$ computer. Its running pretty goddamn smooth for me. Perhaps you need a new computer.
And, i'm not supposed to argue that videogames and computer programs in general dont get better as time passes? oh my... you clearly have no idea when it comes to programming, or computers for that matter.
If CCP went an entire year without any new expansions, just simply fixing the current bugs... eve's population would dwindle down to nothing.
Consider eve is a game, and thus form of entertainment. just like an amusement park, you can only ride the same rollercoasters so many times before it gets boring. This is why themeparks will add new rollercoasters, new games, new shows, etc. Do i enjoy watching puppet theatre at Wonderland? no. But someone does. And its causing them to bring their wallets. That is what a company is all about.
Im not sure why people think CCP is some kind of magical entity that never profits from its business. CCP is here for your money. plain and simple. If they stop making money, then they stop providing you with an eve server. Your dollars pays for their vacations, their BMW's and their high end alienware computers. This is the only reason they are making this game. They dont do it so you can have fun, they do it to make money.
Be proud that CCP is ripping off these idiots in the NeX store! All of this money is going into CCP's pockets, which is paying for your enjoyment. If you do not like this concept, you can simply quit playing videogames. CCP is actually one of the better game companies. Have you guys even seen the TF2 store? 40 dollars for hats! 60 dollars for guns you can get in the game for free anyway! sounds bad untill you realize, you dont have to pay a goddamn dime and the hats give you no tactical advantage.
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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi In year 2012 is the end of world.
No, it is a 'time of change'.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:52:00 -
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Oh look the get a new comp argument.
Only problem is that people with top of the line gear are having this problem.
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Uther Istavel
... i hope there is NO level based progression- this way DUST players will rely on the income gained from the capsuleers to upgrade their characters, hopefully this will spur more effort to win matches.
/cynicism off.
It sounds as if there will be cash based progression, and DUST players will rely on income gained from their parents and part-time job at the record store to upgrade their characters.
(hey, don't be so quick to turn off the cynicism next time.)
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 13:57:22
Originally by: edith prickley By developing a FPS, they're entering a very competitive market with no experience or track record, and that will be a big problem for them.
Let me introduce you to a little start-up company known as Valve Software. They entered the videogame market with zero titles on their backs. Their most experienced members worked on speadsheet and dataprocessing software. And then they made Half-Life.
Well. Now valve is the largest game company on the planet.
So, that should tell you something about the videogame industry's requirement for experience.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:59:00 -
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You say, "...No experience or track record," but that is easily circumvented by hiring somebody with that experience and track record. Dust lloks like the FPS side was well done, and it appears to have great graphics. It's also a persistent MMO game, and besides that, my experience with PC FPS leads me to believe that, at base level, they are no longer lived than console versions.
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Fiire Watch
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:59:00 -
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Now they're comparing CCP to Valve.. wtf?
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Anna Sofia
Lagavullin
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Iluminat
Originally by: Azanee Yarabokin CQ has shown just how much this Carbon technology will be worth in an FPS. They can't even get a decent framerate for one toon in a single room without turning modern PCs into ovens.
i5 2500k-gtx 560 = 80 FPS
I'm curious about how adding 5-10 other avatars will affect the framerates... If you'll ever get to see other players, that is
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Crispin McTarmac
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Crispin McTarmac on 27/06/2011 14:11:11 I'd quite like to play it, so it seems reasonable to expect people owning a ps3 to feel the same way. Some are comparing dust to halo and planetside and MW2 to paint it in a bad light, but I think the best comparison is Mass effect.
Think about it for a moment- lots of socialising in stations. A galaxy-wide setting with a narrative background to each battle. A combination of rpg elements, fitting and action-based "modern style" combat including vehicles and high-tech weapons. A very strong popular science fiction atmosphere. Paid-for additional content. It's like a darker, massively multiplayer interpretation of mass effect
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Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:12:00 -
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considering dust is going to be released for like 20 or 30 bucks, people will probably just pick it up out of curiosity. (also all the indie kids who had mainstream releases will want to play it over BF3 or MW3)
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Usuotas
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:22:00 -
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We had a ton of eve fans who would have got the game before management idiots decided to screw us over. Now those people are gone. Dust will be laying on Walmart's shelve for $5. ---------------- Women - can't live with them........the end. - Al Bundy |
edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: edith prickley on 27/06/2011 14:36:54
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 13:57:22
Originally by: edith prickley By developing a FPS, they're entering a very competitive market with no experience or track record, and that will be a big problem for them.
Let me introduce you to a little start-up company known as Valve Software. They entered the videogame market with zero titles on their backs. Their most experienced members worked on speadsheet and dataprocessing software. And then they made Half-Life.
Well. Now valve is the largest game company on the planet.
So, that should tell you something about the videogame industry's requirement for experience.
Yes indeed. I'm told the Valve experience is a very common one in this industry. I think I will try it myself sometime, as I am also able to use a spreadsheet, and would find it very amusing to be a big industry player.
But do you think Valve would be in their current position if they'd taken a year to release a poorly optimized single player room? Only part of CCP's problem is their lack of track record. The bigger part may be that they have a track record.
Anyhow, your point is taken, all the big players today were nobodies at some point, and some very good games have come from unexpected places. Could happen, and if you like the odds, I think there was a guy taking bets earlier in the thread.
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5amm
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:32:00 -
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gives me a reason to eyeball a ps3 and werk on a permission slip from the wife. Just another squirrel trying to get a nut. |
Durethia
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.27 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
OK, the PS3 exclusivity is probably because Sony doesn't want to play well with other people and it happens to be the biggest gorilla in the room, CCP needs a consistent way of interacting with "EVE" in order for the two vastly different gaming mediums to interact together.
Battlefield 3 and CoW 3 isn't consistent if you haven't noticed. PC gamers, different game, different mulitplayer servers. WII players? Same thing. Xbox players? Same thing plus they have to buy their perks. If you are on a PS3, you are playing against other PS3 players. These networks do not overlap, I'm just not sure if you are aware of this.
Yes, the BF3 for WII, PS3, PC, XBox are really four different games playing on four different networks all bearing the same name; they have four different departments at EA or your respectful developer sweat shop. This is no good for CCP wanting to integrate these two models... so they had to pick and choose; and it turns out, most of the BF3/CoW3 players will be using Sony Playstation 3 systems. Personally I always play FPS games on my PC; but I'm a small minority.
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Crispin McTarmac
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Durethia OK, the PS3 exclusivity is probably because Sony doesn't want to play well with other people and it happens to be the biggest gorilla in the room
That's nonsense. The ps3 exclusivity is simply because they decided it was going to be a console game. The wii don't got no computing power or even a big enough hard disk to store the game, and the 360 has an awful online "service" which doesn't allow free expansions. What else is left?
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Durethia
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: Durethia OK, the PS3 exclusivity is probably because Sony doesn't want to play well with other people and it happens to be the biggest gorilla in the room
That's nonsense. The ps3 exclusivity is simply because they decided it was going to be a console game. The wii don't got no computing power or even a big enough hard disk to store the game, and the 360 has an awful online "service" which doesn't allow free expansions. What else is left?
I stand corrected on that point.
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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:46:00 -
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Will Dust be a subscription base game like Eve or not?
As MT are an element in Dust, I remember the ill fated All Points Bullitin was a sort of MT game as it was pay to play after 200 hours.
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.27 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Seul Manus Will Dust be a subscription base game like Eve or not?
As MT are an element in Dust, I remember the ill fated All Points Bullitin was a sort of MT game as it was pay to play after 200 hours.
No... buy the game then its free after but it will probably be pay to win.
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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2011.06.27 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Seul Manus on 27/06/2011 16:44:24 Right, thanks. Was just wondering. As for buying the game, I'm far to old to get used to a consoles old technology, and to stiff fingered to use a controller.
Personally I can't see the PTW MT thingy working, as console players generally are dependent on their parents for income, and it smacks to much like APB's pay to play.
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Clairvoiyance Huren
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:09:00 -
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the mindbogling part is this "ps3 exclusive" BS.
Guys.... every firm is trying to expand to all systems to reach enough customers, and you are limiting yourself to the ps3 crowd....
especially weird when all eve players are pc jockeys....
one would think that a waterline you'd like to tap....
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 27/06/2011 17:12:37
Originally by: Valei Khurelem It's actually getting pretty funny how even the reviewers who blatantly get paid under the table with advertising campaigns are getting sick of games companies who just aren't making full products anymore. I like the ideas and everything but these days I'm honestly just wanting them to die off and stop having a monopoly over the games industry and let people who actually care about games have a shot.
Like these guys.
People who care
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Bullyboutya
Minmatar Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren the mindbogling part is this "ps3 exclusive" BS.
Guys.... every firm is trying to expand to all systems to reach enough customers, and you are limiting yourself to the ps3 crowd....
especially weird when all eve players are pc jockeys....
one would think that a waterline you'd like to tap....
Ahh you don't have a PS3 :( QQ some more lol I have a PS3 :) more bang for your buck. LOL the only game I play for PC is EVE consoles FTW
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ashera Yune Does anyone actually believe anyone will be playing this game compared to games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3? Even more that its only a PS3 exclusive. Console Shooter games have a short life expectancy compared to MMO's. If CCP's way of doing EVE is any indicator of their work performance and work ethic I bet it will come out as a 5.5-7 out of 10 rated game.
This game will fail to produce enough revenue to overcome the developing costs.
I'll engage in this conversation if you somehow secure a genuine apology with a third party for when and if CCP succeeds, otherwise put away the crystal ball.
AG
Eve Dark Ages - a new free expansion brought to you by CCP. As the old knowledge leaves, it will all happen again. Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84nrp08MWo&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1 |
SSN 609
Amarr The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:20:00 -
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Don't worry when DUST 514 slowly gets killed off, it will be a "Free" expansion to EVE, luckily we basically already paid for the dev costs anyways
To be serious, they are trying something drastically different, and it doesn't fit any known paradigm. Perhaps we will wait and see, but when I think of FPS console... I think of Xbox 360, not PS3
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Cel Nobol
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cel Nobol on 27/06/2011 17:25:05 Edited by: Cel Nobol on 27/06/2011 17:24:15 Edited by: Cel Nobol on 27/06/2011 17:23:40 You know, it may have a low population but it wont fail.. If EVE's success was based on population numbers then it it would be one of the worst populated games on the market right now and the worst mmo to play, I'm quite sure many F2P games have a higher population than EVE but that doesn't make EVE any less successful does it? no absolutely not.
Let's not forget CCP had no real experience either and entered this online world with an online game that got a 69% score on metacritic but since CCP has worked very hard at making a GOOD online MMO when they released it the EVE ONLINE: SPECIAL EDITION was praised and received a respectable 88% from metacritic.
When DUST is released it wont be MODERN WARFARE, it wont be BATTLEFIELD it wont be TEAM FORTRESS 2, DUST will be it's own game I'm sure and even if it get's that 69% there is no doubt in my mind that CCP will work hard to improve upon their game, they wont cancel it, they wont abandon it.
DUST will have enough players to make it work, and in reality that's all you need.
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Whim Aqayn
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:24:00 -
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I never thought it would actually succeed...
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Gah'q
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity I'm not sure what you're talking about. Im running incarna with max settings on a 3 year old 400$ computer. Its running pretty goddamn smooth for me. Perhaps you need a new computer.
Allow me to call bull on that. I have a Quad Core Core2Duo @ 2.8GHz and a 460 GTX video card. Somehow CQ manages to get 70% CPU load on all cores while staring at a wall. Sure, it 'runs at full details' but it hardly runs smoothly. Just enable the FPS counter and walk from the room onto the walk-way to your hangar. You will see your FPS drop immensely (for me it drops from 60 to 15). Even if you were to ignore the raw performance data (which looks far from good) you still have to realize that it won't run for long under the given conditions since both your CPU and GPU overheat quite quickly.
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Mary Astell
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Astell on 27/06/2011 18:02:48
Originally by: Gah'q
Originally by: Terminal Insanity I'm not sure what you're talking about. Im running incarna with max settings on a 3 year old 400$ computer. Its running pretty goddamn smooth for me. Perhaps you need a new computer.
Allow me to call bull on that. I have a Quad Core Core2Duo @ 2.8GHz and a 460 GTX video card. Somehow CQ manages to get 70% CPU load on all cores while staring at a wall. Sure, it 'runs at full details' but it hardly runs smoothly. Just enable the FPS counter and walk from the room onto the walk-way to your hangar. You will see your FPS drop immensely (for me it drops from 60 to 15). Even if you were to ignore the raw performance data (which looks far from good) you still have to realize that it won't run for long under the given conditions since both your CPU and GPU overheat quite quickly.
i have i7 950 @ 4ghz, running 2 clients at 25% across all cores. 2 6970's not in crossfire, just one for each client/monitor that are steadyish at 50-60% each.
My fps is always over 60 (120hz monitors), though there is a slight stuttering i wouldnt tolerate in an fps, but for walking around a room and doing literally nothing (lol) its fine.
As for overheating, if your cpu/gpu(s) cannot run at 100% and manage the heat, its hardly CCP's fault. Sure the game could run better but blaming ccp for dust on your fans is hilarious. Take your gfx card out and give it a good blow from the back vents (if it has them).
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Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.27 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Astell
i have i7 950 @ 4ghz, running 2 clients at 25% across all cores. 2 6970's not in crossfire, just one for each client/monitor that are steadyish at 50-60% each.
and u paid 400$ 3 years ago for that?
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