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Haramir Haleths
Caldari Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:19:00 -
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Hi,
so we all knows CCP need more money for Dracula Online and Dust. Now they want produce more revenue due to selling us stuff in EvE and destroying game mechanics and economy. What do you thing about the idea to get more revenue by increasing the monthly fee a little bit. Maybe 2 Euro up per month instead of of selling game breaking crap.
Discuss or just flame ...
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Epolitus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:20:00 -
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Compared to other MMO's it's high enough. but i would agree on a 3-5% increase.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:21:00 -
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I'm not paying more subscription just so CCP can develop WoD.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:24:00 -
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Higher sub price -> most likely less users -> possibly less cash overall -> fail _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:25:00 -
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What exactly is ruining the game? Vanity items? LMAO, poor jealous pilot.
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Doris Dents
Kismet Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz I'm not paying more subscription just so CCP can develop WoD.
+rep
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz I'm not paying more subscription just so CCP can develop WoD.
You are not paying any subscription. Period.
You quit.
So stop offering your opinion. It's about as relevant as my cats.
When you resub, you may offer an opinion again.
For now, you can simply STFU.
Mr Epeen
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz I'm not paying more subscription just so CCP can develop WoD.
Begs to questing why are you paying them at all? This game won`t see radical improvements for a while due to aforementioned alternative development paths they.
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Maa Ku
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Maa Ku on 28/06/2011 09:29:10
Derp.
MT is not the problem. It's trust, prices and the hanger view people are raging at. Higher subs is a terrible idea.
Seriously CCP, get rid of the PLEX > AUR exchange and just make the monocle $$$ only. Then you don't have to worry about making it $2.50 only and loads of people will buy stuff like that. Problem solved. No-one cares about PLEX > AUX - it's actually the root of all this mess.
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz I'm not paying more subscription just so CCP can develop WoD.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:31:00 -
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CCP needs to stop trying to make more money.
They need to get back to making more game content.
Only this will sell properly and it will sell to all generations of EVE players and to all ages while providing fun for many years. Everything else is just stupid and wrong. I am amazed at how any game maker can get of their course like this. --
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound CCP needs to stop trying to make more money.
They need to get back to making more game content.
Only this will sell properly and it will sell to all generations of EVE players and to all ages while providing fun for many years. Everything else is just stupid and wrong. I am amazed at how any game maker can get of their course like this.
Don't think they have that luxury, they've over stretched themselves.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 28/06/2011 09:35:22
Originally by: Haramir Haleths Hi,
so we all knows CCP need more money for Dracula Online and Dust. Now they want produce more revenue due to selling us stuff in EvE and destroying game mechanics and economy. What do you thing about the idea to get more revenue by increasing the monthly fee a little bit. Maybe 2 Euro up per month instead of of selling game breaking crap.
Discuss or just flame ...
I shouldnt have to pay more money cause they made bad choices.
If they treat and think of us this poorly now when we are the golden goose. I am not encouraged for how they will treat us players when they have a new golden goose.
They also funneled all the money i pay for updates to eve to other games. They can rotate on it.
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Inherent Vice
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:38:00 -
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How about pre-order packages for Dust and WoD?
A lot of people seems do dislike WoD. I¦m looking forward to ganking some emo***s.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Tobiaz I'm not paying more subscription just so CCP can develop WoD.
You are not paying any subscription. Period.
You quit.
So stop offering your opinion. It's about as relevant as my cats.
When you resub, you may offer an opinion again.
For now, you can simply STFU.
Mr Epeen
I have paid subs for 8 years. I will continue to pay subs if CCP get their heads out of their corporate asses. But if I do, I wil NOT pay more subscription just so CCP can dump more money into WoD to jump onto the twilight bandwagon.
And FYI, I didn't 'quit'. I cancelled my subs as an act of protest. I guess you troll-brain is too small to grasp the difference between the two.
I intent to use all the gameplay time I have left and might even use the PLEX I have in my hangar. But CCP is not getting more money from me for the time being.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac Don't think they have that luxury, they've over stretched themselves.
Nonsense. It is not a luxury, it is a necessity. And if they have "over stretched" themselves as you say, to the point of no return, then they deserve to lose.
Or like we say, do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.
The same is true for all of us if it is in real-life or in-game. --
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:43:00 -
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MTs mean that those who want to spend more money on the game can do so.
EVE is profitable as it stands. CCP bet the farm on WoD and Dust 514, if they need extra funds they'll be able to raise them through their fanatically loyal customers using paint jobs for ships, fancy clothes for CQ avatars, and a few vanity items which don't fall into either category.
CCP won't need to introduce "concierge" or "power" items to make some extra cash. With a decent selection of clothing (and especially if they run the fashion shop like Zara), CCP will be raking in the cash.
It's also worth remembering that most people will not be paying cash for items. They'll be buying items with Aurum made from ISK-bought PLEX. It's some other silly bugger exchanging his real dollars for ISK that will actually be funding the operation.
Say yes to parting fools from their money :)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Tobiaz I'm not paying more subscription just so CCP can develop WoD.
You are not paying any subscription. Period.
You quit.
So stop offering your opinion. It's about as relevant as my cats.
When you resub, you may offer an opinion again.
For now, you can simply STFU.
Mr Epeen
I have paid subs for 8 years. I will continue to pay subs if CCP get their heads out of their corporate asses. But if I do, I wil NOT pay more subscription just so CCP can dump more money into WoD to jump onto the twilight bandwagon.
And FYI, I didn't 'quit'. I cancelled my subs as an act of protest. I guess you troll-brain is too small to grasp the difference between the two.
I intent to use all the gameplay time I have left and might even use the PLEX I have in my hangar. But CCP is not getting more money from me for the time being.
So you protest by...continuing to play the game?
Interesting strategy.
I guess I'm a protester too, then. I just skipped the whole impotent threat part and went straight to the continue playing bit.
Mr Epeen
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:55:00 -
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Funky thing really, isn't it? This game gets older and older, and we get less and less :spaceships: and less and less focus on actually iterate on what exists.
What we do get, is a more expensive game, an older game, a more buggy game, and content that is irrelevant to the majority of the existing playerbase. (not saying the content is wrong, but existing players would've played without it, in that sense it's "useless").
Paying more, paying less.. I couldn't care much about either tbh, what I'd like tho, is to get the EVE back that I been supporting for soon a decade. The moneysucking WoD/Dust-developing monster who ignores :spaceships: while lying to its customers is not what I'd like to support in either case, be it high- or low subscription fee.. -
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Gallente Nundinae
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:57:00 -
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Not sure if I would want to pay more on a subscription fee if it's clearly going toward other games...
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn MTs mean that those who want to spend more money on the game can do so.
It also means that if you allow them to do so will others leave the game.
Nobody wants to play a game where some kid can walk into with extra cash in the pocket and can just shoot anyone in the face, or just walk around in better clothing than others.
Perhaps you should have grown up in a country where they have school uniforms. It works. --
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Mara Rinn MTs mean that those who want to spend more money on the game can do so.
It also means that if you allow them to do so will others leave the game.
Nobody wants to play a game where some kid can walk into with extra cash in the pocket and can just shoot anyone in the face, or just walk around in better clothing than others.
Perhaps you should have grown up in a country where they have school uniforms. It works.
I guess you just can't make everybody happy. Some people's preferences are mutually exclusive.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 10:24:56
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Mara Rinn MTs mean that those who want to spend more money on the game can do so.
It also means that if you allow them to do so will others leave the game.
Quite a few will SAY they would, and for a while some actually might... but the vast majority won't.
Quote: Nobody wants to play a game where some kid can walk into with extra cash in the pocket and can just shoot anyone in the face, or just walk around in better clothing than others.
From a certain viewpoint, this is already happening. Sell PLEX for ISK, buy the best gear most others can't afford. You can sidestep the issue as much as you like, but fact remains, right now, and since many years ago, you CAN "pay to win" already.
From the opposite viewpoint, this will never happen. Since all the items and services can be purchased INDIRECTLY with ISK (while somebody ELSE foots the cash bill for the PLEX), and the items themselves (once in the game) can be traded on the open market, everybody will have access to all content without ever spending a dime of real cash. So it can't possibly get more "pay to win" than it already is.
So, what exactly is the issue ? Perception, maybe. Reality, most certainly not.
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Solosky
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Solosky on 28/06/2011 10:41:41 CCP has enough money to make real jewel from EVE - but they feeding like 200 developers of WoD and Dust while EVE suffering from various issues and progress ridiculously slow.
You want to spend some money - better donate to Red Cross instead of WoD development.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Perhaps you should have grown up in a country where they have school uniforms. It works.
I did. It doesn't. I went to a private school, and while they instil a sense of conformity and "belonging" for most of the people there, those of my friends who I rate as most successful are the ones who went to public schools and forged their own identities.
It's also worth pointing out that the schools around where I live that have uniforms are private schools. i.e.: parents who have lots of money send their kids off to a school with a uniform in the mistaken belief that money buys success. Which is ironically pertinent to the discussion at hand.
While money can buy power - extend a loan or two and suddenly people will do what you tell them because they are indebted to you - it doesn't necessarily buy success. Anyone who is going to be successful will end up making their own money anyway.
Buying ISK for dollars comes down to that ages old argument about the time rich/money poor versus the time poor/money rich. Both sets of people can get the same advantage in game, they just get to that advantage through a different route. The money rich people take advantage of the services offered by the time rich people. ISK changes hands, not power.
If people are going to leave the game because some folks are buying $70 monocles, good for them. There are better things to do with your life than play an MMO where you are jealous of people with monocles.
I would prefer it if the monocle was sold through the NeX as a BPC or PI schematic - in fact, I'd like to see NeX operating as an LP store rather than a different-currencied-market. Why the clothes are allowed to come into existence without consuming vast quantities of polytextiles is beyond me.
What it comes down to is whether you accept as valid CCP's argument that there needs to be a PLEX sink other than being blown up or used as subscriptions.
I would like to give CCP the option to destroy PLEX for creative purposes. I would like to fund a team of fashion designers, 3D modellers, programmers, etc through extra voluntary contributions to CCPs coffers. I disagree with the way they've implemented it so far, but that's just implementation details. The Devil is, of course, in the details. We (through the CSM) have drawn a line in the sand with CCP - "vanity items only". CCP have agreed to this, statements in "Fearless" aside, and I look forward to seeing what they can pleasantly surprise us with (though again, I'd prefer to see BPCs and Schematics, not actual items, sold through NeX).
And my point about private schools still stands. Ironic that you'd use that as an argument against microtransactions.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 28/06/2011 10:55:13
Originally by: Akita T Quite a few will SAY they would, and for a while some actually might... but the vast majority won't.
You are being arrogant. Is this how you support the protest, Akita?
Where does your arrogance come from? Did you never protest and therefore have resigned and grown an attitude against protesting?
It does not matter if people leave as an act of protest. They all know that it is not what they want. They might stay regardless or maybe they will not. It does not matter. What matters is that if they do stay then they will not stay because of the game. They will stay because of the friends they have made here.
Quote: From a certain viewpoint, this is already happening.
From your viewpoint?
I do not care how you twist and turn your head to keep liking a game that is changing for worse.
You want to blame people's perception for it? You are a god damn nut job if you think that a game has got anything to do with reality. It is a game. I would say that your perception is the one that needs to be looked at. Next thing we know you want to buy yourself a real car with ISKs. --
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn I did. It doesn't. I went to a private school, and while they instil a sense of conformity and "belonging" for most of the people there, those of my friends who I rate as most successful are the ones who went to public schools and forged their own identities.
Exactly. They did not just buy themselves better clothing to be someone or to be better than others, did they?
It works. --
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Tarinara
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:54:00 -
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If CCSparkle Monocle was actually developing something and producing content for Eve ... probably 'no' on a price increase. $15.00USD/month is pretty much the price point for a monthly MMO subscription. Anything more and they need to have something 'special' to justify it. And no new interwebz spaceship content, Interwebz Dress-up Barbie and a P2W shop certainly is nothing special IMO.
So while Eve 'may still' be king of the hill for internet spaceships - they keep leaving the door open for someone to put a foot in the middle of their back and kick them off that hill. You want to clicky-clicky make stuff? Farmville is free. You want 'Dress Up'? Second Life or the Sims is calling your name. And from what I've heard: Black Prophecy is quite a lot of things Eve is. And it's F2P + Cash Shop. No manditory P2P entrance fee involved.
So - even if they did start actually adding internet spaceship related content: this game is falling behind on it's basic premise and barely worth the $15 they're charging now.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:56:00 -
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maybe they can opt for the no **** patches option, then they wouldnt be ruining there game
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Flag Bravo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:56:00 -
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No ccping way, the ccping ccps, are charging to much for a ccping subscription as it is. If they are ccping skint then it's their ccping fault having a crap ccping money management.
Ccping motherccpers.
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