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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
662
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Posted - 2012.09.15 23:54:00 -
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Hey CSM junkies, if you're looking for Declarations of War it can now be found on www.declarationsofwar.com
This brand new site has a lot of things people have long been asking for, including a proper iTunes feed and episode polls. DoW has become not just a PVP podcast, but also an important part of the CSM communication with the EVE community. It's long overdue that its web presence got an upgrade, and myself along with NinjaTurtle and JaredC01 are proud to present it.
And what's a grand opening without some fanfare? Episode 33 with Ripard Teg, Seleene,and Hans Jagerblitzen is now live
Show Notes: -Ripard Teg talks about his start in EVE and as a blogger -Discussion of the CSM6 election and the experience of being a candidate -Fierce debate over the role of the CSM -Alek reads controversial parts of RipardGÇÖs latest blog and **** gets real -Real talk continues over Technetium alchemy and the accomplishments/shortcomings of CSM7
Enjoy! "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
740
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Posted - 2012.09.16 04:34:00 -
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Awesome, thanks. (CSM junkies, psshh, I am just waiting for the CSM action figures to come out, then I go cold turkey)
I wanted to comment on the CSM 6 with the media. I feel like they had an easier time or it was less of a trap for them. They could talk about a lot of game or development issues that were already public and not sure to meet the NDA hammer in the face.
I feel like CSM 7 would have a lot more to talk about or to the media, but it is all NDA'ed out. They aren't really whining a lot either, so I tell myself they hear good things then.
Also for the trap part, CSM 7 could take stuff to the media or bring them in, only for CCP to tell the media that it is NDA's right now, so why are they standing there, when they should be off reporting on other stories, until CCP has something ready to talk about.
The only thing that disturbs me so far, is CCP's greed towards DUST, but I suppose its the only thing CCP can talk about, so that is all they do talk about.
(Also wanted to add, that we have already seen the worst case scenario, where CCP and CSM conspire together and never tell the players or media, The voting reform threads) I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1769
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Posted - 2012.09.16 04:36:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote: Show Notes: -Ripard Teg talks about his start in EVE and as a blogger -Discussion of the CSM6 election and the experience of being a candidate -Fierce debate over the role of the CSM -Alek reads controversial parts of RipardGÇÖs latest blog and **** gets real -Real talk continues over Technetium alchemy and the accomplishments/shortcomings of CSM7
Enjoy!
anything related to eve gameplay other then the tech alchemy thing? |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
664
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Posted - 2012.09.16 05:18:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote: Show Notes: -Ripard Teg talks about his start in EVE and as a blogger -Discussion of the CSM6 election and the experience of being a candidate -Fierce debate over the role of the CSM -Alek reads controversial parts of RipardGÇÖs latest blog and **** gets real -Real talk continues over Technetium alchemy and the accomplishments/shortcomings of CSM7
Enjoy!
anything related to eve gameplay other then the tech alchemy thing? not really
Posting 2 public discussion threads about voting reform isn't much of a secret conspiracy... "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2012.09.16 09:06:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote: Show Notes: -Ripard Teg talks about his start in EVE and as a blogger -Discussion of the CSM6 election and the experience of being a candidate -Fierce debate over the role of the CSM -Alek reads controversial parts of RipardGÇÖs latest blog and **** gets real -Real talk continues over Technetium alchemy and the accomplishments/shortcomings of CSM7
Enjoy!
anything related to eve gameplay other then the tech alchemy thing? not really. On the question of tech though, I put a poll up whether you think Ripard's right and the tech alchemy made things worse than before or the CSM guys were right that it's not The Fix but at least a step in the right direction. Will be interesting to see the results. Posting 2 public discussion threads about voting reform isn't much of a secret conspiracy... Ya'll's dumb and I shut down the voting thing in like 3 posts. The rest were just me never stopping posting. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
853
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Posted - 2012.09.16 13:52:00 -
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Courthouse wrote: Ya'll's dumb and I shut down the voting thing in like 3 posts. The rest were just me never stopping posting.
Starts a post with Ya'll's and calls other people dumb
Really sums it up doesn't it. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
665
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Posted - 2012.09.16 15:55:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Courthouse wrote: Ya'll's dumb and I shut down the voting thing in like 3 posts. The rest were just me never stopping posting.
Starts a post with Ya'll's and calls other people dumb Really sums it up doesn't it. What you tryin' ta say city boy? "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1177
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:17:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:On the question of tech though, I put a poll up whether you think Ripard's right and the tech alchemy made things worse than before or the CSM guys were right that it's not The Fix but at least a step in the right direction. Will be interesting to see the results. Nicely slanted poll.
Ripard didn't argue that it was worse or a step in the right direction. He argued that it wasn't a fix at all. It was a rollback. Yet, you didn't offer that as an option.
You're kind of directing people to the answer you want. Even Ripard would have to answer "step in the right direction", since he didn't feel it made things worse. He simply believes that it didn't do much of anything at all.
Caldari Militia |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1177
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:20:00 -
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I'm surprised you even posted the podcast. I'm guessing you saw it as a "CSM Victor!"?
You guys seriously come off as childish and petty and overly defensive throughout the podcast.
Everyone knows I'm not a Ripard fan at all ... yet, he comes out of this making the bunch of you look pretty foolish.
First the voting reform thread ... and now this. Caldari Militia |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
665
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:On the question of tech though, I put a poll up whether you think Ripard's right and the tech alchemy made things worse than before or the CSM guys were right that it's not The Fix but at least a step in the right direction. Will be interesting to see the results. Nicely slanted poll. Ripard didn't argue that it was worse or a step in the right direction. He argued that it wasn't a fix at all. It was a rollback. Yet, you didn't offer that as an option. You're kind of directing people to the answer you want. Even Ripard would have to answer "step in the right direction", since he didn't feel it made things worse. He simply believes that it didn't do much of anything at all. I'm pretty sure having, been there and listened to it after the fact, he said exactly the words the alchemy change made things worse. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1178
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:53:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:On the question of tech though, I put a poll up whether you think Ripard's right and the tech alchemy made things worse than before or the CSM guys were right that it's not The Fix but at least a step in the right direction. Will be interesting to see the results. Nicely slanted poll. Ripard didn't argue that it was worse or a step in the right direction. He argued that it wasn't a fix at all. It was a rollback. Yet, you didn't offer that as an option. You're kind of directing people to the answer you want. Even Ripard would have to answer "step in the right direction", since he didn't feel it made things worse. He simply believes that it didn't do much of anything at all. I'm pretty sure having, been there and listened to it after the fact, he said exactly the words the alchemy change made things worse. And I'm pretty sure, having listened to the podcast, that you were the guy who listened least to anything he had to say.
Caldari Militia |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
741
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:48:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Posting 2 public discussion threads about voting reform isn't much of a secret conspiracy...
It was a conspiracy for who knows how long, then trebor leaked it onto this forum. Making it a public conspiracy. Then CCP Xhagen came in for damage control, but I didn't read it, so I don't know if it worked or not.
As for the tech question, not sure where your poll is, but I kind of view, both jester and CSM as winners in a way. Even CCP won I suppose as well.
Like it was only designed to nerf the tech deals and overly high prices, which it did and its nicer. But CCP stated they were gonna price fix the tech, to the 2010 or 2011 lvls. Like Jester doesn't like. Which I kind of supported the price fixing, but it is still a bit hard to deal with the overwhelming must have tech all the time.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
741
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:55:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm surprised you even posted the podcast. I'm guessing you saw it as a "CSM Victor!"?
You guys seriously came off as childish and petty and overly defensive throughout the podcast.
Everyone knows I'm not a Ripard fan at all ... yet, he comes out of this making the bunch of you look pretty foolish.
First the voting reform thread ... and now this.
You have to start at the beginning of the CSM and jester drama, instead of starting in the middles, with CSM looking defensive.
Seleene was on the voices of the void podcast, talking about how Jester was trolling CCP and CSM with his blog, over how they felt a year later after incarna. Why they might come across as defensive, since they were already being attacked, before this podcast even started.
Of course I do like Jester as well, he is the only one who feeds my paranoid mind the most. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
353
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Courthouse wrote: Ya'll's dumb and I shut down the voting thing in like 3 posts. The rest were just me never stopping posting.
Starts a post with Ya'll's and calls other people dumb Really sums it up doesn't it. Figured I'd speak down to your level. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
353
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:32:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol?
It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done...
Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him.
CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1481
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:54:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol? It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done... Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him. CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it. So what kind of steps would be needed to address the issue, to avoid a repeat of events like we have just recently observed on these very forums, nay, this very thread ? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Vricrolatious
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:04:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Courthouse wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol? It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done... Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him. CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it. So what kind of steps would be needed to address the issue, to avoid a repeat of events like we have just recently observed on these very forums, nay, this very thread ?
Clearly we vote Courthouse onto the CSM
Of course, this could end badly.
Well, at least it'd be entertaining WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:47:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:So what kind of steps would be needed to address the issue, to avoid a repeat of events like we have just recently observed on these very forums, nay, this very thread ?
You know how you go to grade school and they teach you these patriotic little half-lies like "We celebrate Columbus Day because Christopher Columbus discovered America" or "Isaac Newton discovered gravity when an apple fell and hit him on the head"?
So when you're little that's what you understand. Then you grow up a little and you realize that the real story is like 6 degrees deeper and has all of these connotations attached to them, vis a vis Colombus was inadvertently responsible for mass native deaths or Newton was only 24 when he developed Calculus and he couldn't codify this until he had reasoned out planetary motion and didn't publish a theory of gravity until Principia when he was 45.
These realizations suddenly mean that the depth of knowledge and understanding of the principles related to these formerly simple concepts are vast in comparison to your previous conceptualization and therefore understanding the consequences is a much more complex process.
That's the CSM. The people in there now are still talking about how awesome Columbus was with his 3 ships and their fair trade practices with the natives and how a young newton got bonked on the head and ~magically~ worked out the universal laws of planetary motion right there on the spot.
tl;dr: They're simple figureheads who barely understand the rudimentary parts of what the CSM is and certainly have no concept of how to use it effectively, and that's without going into their complete lack of political understandings or systems of power and influence. |
Epic Vulture
Dead Space Collective
0
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Posted - 2012.09.17 06:25:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol? It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done... Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him. CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it. Have you considered running for CSM? |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1179
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Posted - 2012.09.17 06:35:00 -
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Epic Vulture wrote:Courthouse wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol? It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done... Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him. CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it. Have you considered running for CSM? Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1. Caldari Militia |
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Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
369
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Posted - 2012.09.17 08:49:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.
Irrelevant, remember?
Epic Vulture: it's been suggested more than once. Vile Rat was to be our candidate for CSM8 and as we're still coming to terms with what that means for us personally and organizationally, making concrete plans about elections to be held in another 6 or 7 months from now with the general level of paranoid schizophrenia coming out of this pack, it seems premature to stake a claim at this time.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1482
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Posted - 2012.09.17 12:00:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Epic Vulture wrote:Have you considered running for CSM? Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1. Heh, wonder what they'll have next. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
741
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Posted - 2012.09.17 12:20:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1. Irrelevant, remember? Epic Vulture: it's been suggested more than once. Vile Rat was to be our candidate for CSM8 and as we're still coming to terms with what that means for us personally and organizationally, making concrete plans about elections to be held in another 6 or 7 months from now with the general level of paranoid schizophrenia coming out of this pack, it seems premature to stake a claim at this time.
Vile Rat said he was pretty worn out from CSM 6 and wasn't gonna run for CSM 7 because of that.
Was he feeling much better, or that he had enough time set aside to make a serious run? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1954
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Posted - 2012.09.17 12:58:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I'm surprised you even posted the podcast. I'm guessing you saw it as a "CSM Victor!"?
You guys seriously came off as childish and petty and overly defensive throughout the podcast.
Everyone knows I'm not a Ripard fan at all ... yet, he comes out of this making the bunch of you look pretty foolish.
First the voting reform thread ... and now this.
The voting thread has been explained ad nauseum as something that should not have happened. If I had been near a computer before it went live, I would have raised objections. Due to RL stuff I wasn't. **** happens, it was rectified in a few days, so stop harping on it as if there was some hidden agenda. I don't personally care if the system changes or stays the same but am fine with the discussion.
As for this podcast, yeah, there was some pent up frustration because Ripard can say whatever he wants about 'never being invited' to a podcast or onto EVE Radio, etc... Voices of the Void, three EVE Radio DJ's and others have tried for months to get the guy to come out from behind his wall of words. I don't buy that he didn't know about any of those efforts at all. I also didn't feel the least bit defensive at all during this; I was fine with finally having the chance to confront the guy and ask him some questions as well. The only way he makes us look like fools is if you buy into his, "I know literally everything about everything." attitude. v0v
CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1954
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:02:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Courthouse wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1. Irrelevant, remember? Epic Vulture: it's been suggested more than once. Vile Rat was to be our candidate for CSM8 and as we're still coming to terms with what that means for us personally and organizationally, making concrete plans about elections to be held in another 6 or 7 months from now with the general level of paranoid schizophrenia coming out of this pack, it seems premature to stake a claim at this time. Vile Rat said he was pretty worn out from CSM 6 and wasn't gonna run for CSM 7 because of that. Was he feeling much better, or that he had enough time set aside to make a serious run?
I'm not sure he was 'worn out' but it was definitely not something he had the time for. There are a few examples of CSM members serving multiple terms by skipping a run. AFAIK, Mittens wasn't planning to run again but Vile was likely going to. I would have loved it if he could. He would have been a great member of the team and likely been Chariman regardless of any system put in place. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
742
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:11:00 -
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Well its too bad, VR died, so we will never know his campaign strategy and what he hoped to do with it.
But at least mittens dreamed of getting more votes then just the goon ones. But I suppose we will never see Vile Rat try to do that . I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Vena Saris
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.09.17 23:08:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Well its too bad, VR died, so we will never know his campaign strategy and what he hoped to do with it.
But at least mittens dreamed of getting more votes then just the goon ones. But I suppose we will never see Vile Rat try to do that . Seeing as how Courthouse ran his last campaign... |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
742
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:25:00 -
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^ That is kind of funny, I had always thought mittens ran his last campaign.
Quotes from his tentonhammer blog:
"Due to the anticipated higher turnout and the new top-seven rule, I expect that most of the nullsec blocs will only run one candidate for CSM7, where three (GSF, the Northern Coalition, and XIX) managed to get two seats each under CSM6."
"Vile Rat, White Tree is likely to sit out and unless I screw up and my readers stop voting for me en masse, the Chair is likely to be mine."
But anyhow, VR told me in the forums, that he was actually tired of all the work or had no time for what was required and decided to not run based on that, rather then CCP cutting down the number of CSM, and the friendly fire he would give mittens or other goons, if he ran for CSM.
So, I suppose you could argue no one but him ran, his campaign, but the paranoia runs on. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
370
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:58:00 -
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rodyas wrote:So, I suppose you could argue no one but him ran, his campaign, but the paranoia runs on.
I managed the campaign during the campaign portion. It's not paranoia, it's phrasing. By "ran" he means "managed". And by campaign he means the period of time between deciding to run, formulating a strategy and managing the day to day of the campaign up until the moment voting closes. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
742
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:12:00 -
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Well, sadly, I never knew about the CSM until the incarna stuff or so.
So I don't remember vile rats campaign at all. Perhaps to help dispell the paranoia, what was his running platform like, when he made CSM? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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