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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Soon Shin on 30/06/2011 02:15:24 Edited by: Soon Shin on 30/06/2011 02:14:17 Its clearly obvious that CCP spends only a minor portion of their revenue on improving and working on EVE. The rest of the money goes to DUST and World of Darkness which I do not care for. My subscription not only maintains the servers, but it also maintains and improves the game. I have not been getting any of what I have paid for. You can do whatever microtransactions you want, it won't change anything.
This game will fail because of the fact that it has been neglected and mostly forgotten. The promises made by the company have never been kept and makes their words empty and invalid. You can ignore the community that makes your 3rd Party Apps and other services. The majority of your players do not contribute such things to the game and will most likely jump ship when something better comes or they get sick of the neglect in the game.
EVE exists because it is a unique and niche game. WoD and DUST however are not, you can not grow sloppy and sit upon those games like a monopoly. They will fail and you will be met with a financial punch to your gut. Those games will not make you money in the foreseeable future. Your only source of income is EVE, that income will mostly likely will have diminished by the time your pet project is finished.
As a business, it is your obligation to provide good service and goods for your customers in order for you to exist as a good business. Screwing things over for a quick profit can not last for long and you will start feeling the pain. I want you to spend less of your money and time on your pet projects and spend more of it on EVE.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:31:00 -
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Idiot. welcome to the real world. CCP isnt a non-profit charity for internet spaceships. Its a company designed to make money.
When you pay for any game (or really, any service in the real world at all) that money goes towards many things, not just the service you purchased.
When you buy a happymeal at mcdonalds, that money goes to disney, poor black families, hanna montannah, and an assortment of other unrelated people/organizations.
If you are here to demand ccp spends all its eve profit on eve only, i expect you to do the same for every other company you've purchased items/services from.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:33:00 -
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The thing is, CCP is expanding. To do this they've had to save money from EvE to pump into their other projects. IF they pull it off then it could (hopefully) be a good thing. Kinda explains why there's been no new content for so long. The only thing (apart from P2W) that worries me is they're known for managing a game in a pretty awful way, managing 3 would make for...interesting times
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Eriam JH
Gallente Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity Idiot. welcome to the real world.
I almost choked when I read this. You've got a lot of nerve calling someone an idiot when you're wearing a monocle.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Eriam JH
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Idiot. welcome to the real world.
I almost choked when I read this. You've got a lot of nerve calling someone an idiot when you're wearing a monocle.
The monocle is a recognition that he is not a useless poor person
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Eriam JH
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Idiot. welcome to the real world.
I almost choked when I read this. You've got a lot of nerve calling someone an idiot when you're wearing a monocle.
The monocle is a recognition that he is not a useless poor person
Whereas yours is recognition of brain damage resulting in loss of original thought
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:42:00 -
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We bare the fruits of your labor. How does that show anything other then our superiority over you?
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Yabba Addict on 30/06/2011 02:46:42 Sorry, who's labour? Def not mine, so you must be talking to monocle monocle monocle, but i monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle, monocle. Damn, now you got me doin it
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:47:00 -
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the OP's point is not about subscription money going wrong way.
it's that other CCP's projects will fail and EVE will be the only way to save them but it's going to be already deserted.
this is likely since if you see how much time it took them to make a dumb closet with no functionality, I doubt they will ever deliver for the more demanding target group of their other projects.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:48:00 -
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You're prolly right there, CCP aren't the best coders tbh, there's a good chance this will go south
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Yabba Addict
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Eriam JH
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Idiot. welcome to the real world.
I almost choked when I read this. You've got a lot of nerve calling someone an idiot when you're wearing a monocle.
The monocle is a recognition that he is not a useless poor person
Whereas yours is recognition of brain damage resulting in loss of original thought
My ability to pay my $1600 a month rent on time every time is a testament to why I wear this monocle. I'm better than you
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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Soon Shin on 30/06/2011 02:59:10 I don't care about monocles or MT, I don't care about that its your money.
What I care is what CCP is doing with MY MONEY. CCP has left many aspects of the game broken and unbalanced. Some have been forgotten for several years. The game would be so much better if CCP didn't focus so much on WoD, Dust, and largely useless incarna and instead focus about what this game is about. INTERNET SPACESHIPS!
It is better to specialize than to go through a mediocre general approach of trying to make EVE Spaceships and sims at the same time at the cost of one or the other.
If a product is broken and not working at release, it is the responsibility of the company to fix such problems, not ignore and neglect it!
And I'm not saying CCP should spend 100%, I'm saying something much higher than say the 10-20 they are giving back into the game. Most of the money from EVE should be largely focused on eve.
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robbyx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Eriam JH
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Idiot. welcome to the real world.
I almost choked when I read this. You've got a lot of nerve calling someone an idiot when you're wearing a monocle.
The monocle is a recognition that he is not a useless poor person
The whole "poor person" thing was kind of amusing when the monocle overlords did it.....when you and that other moron do it, it just comes of as "try hard" and a desperate attempt for attention....maybe try cutting yourself, maybe mommy and daddy might give the attention you are so obviously craving....my guess is though they are just thoroughly disappointed and wishing they had used that condom.
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Discrodia
Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Soon Shin I don't care about monocles or MT, I don't care about that its your money.
What I care is what CCP is doing with MY MONEY. CCP has left many aspects of the game broken and unbalanced. Some have been forgotten for several years. The game would be so much better if CCP didn't focus so much on WoD, Dust, and largely useless incarna and instead focus about what this game is about. INTERNET SPACESHIPS!
Well, if they HAD focused on internet spaceships they might still have a rather large number of people still paying them. Since the latest claim was that roughly 5k people claimed to have quit because of Incarna, both plex and subscribing alike, before cutting out claims made with alts and other such deleterious types, which would put the number down to something like 2.5k (A respectable figure nonetheless) that means that if we're working at an average of 13.5 USD per month per subscription (averaging the various bundles of gametime and GTC costs) that's something around 33 grand per month they've lost due to Incarnage. Compare that to what I'm guessing is maybe at most 10 grand of sales they'll see this month at the NeX store, that's a pretty bad loss.
Now, imagine if they had just done the new turrets, and used all those graphics artists they wasted for that little room to overhaul a ton more dated ship hulls like they did the Maller. If such were the case, and they had scrapped the NeX store altogether, they could have advertised it as something like Trinity II, where everything was overhauled. They wouldn't have had such catastrophic losses as they have had, and would likely have had far more impressive gains.
However, this is baseless speculation as the above scenario didn't happen, and instead we've got this mess. And it's all CCP's fault. Free market, ect ect, maybe CCP should use that old motto of 'adapt or die'.
Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:09:00 -
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Lets get back on topic, if you want to debate about MT or monocles do it in another thread. CCP should be spending and focusing more on EVE. ****ing on their customers and ignoring and neglecting product they made while trying to milk it to death and finally on top of poor PR, along with poor deliverance will contribute to their failure of future products.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Yabba Addict on 30/06/2011 03:15:36 Edited by: Yabba Addict on 30/06/2011 03:13:24
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
My ability to pay my $1600 a month rent on time every time is a testament to why I wear this monocle. I'm better than you
Lol, and how would you know how much i pay, am paid?
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Jet Aeon
Gallente Two Smoking Barrels
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Yabba Addict You're prolly right there, CCP aren't the best coders tbh, there's a good chance this will go south
All this comes from someone who makes up words. It makes you appear clueless.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia Well, if they HAD focused on internet spaceships they might still have a rather large number of people still paying them
(Left side is the latest)
Seems like its bouncing up and down as usual, and its actually increased over the years. I think this indicates that CCP has been doing just fine over the years and that your whining is of no consequence to us real people.
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Aeon
Originally by: Yabba Addict You're prolly right there, CCP aren't the best coders tbh, there's a good chance this will go south
All this comes from someone who makes up words. It makes you appear clueless.
Not clueless, lazy. Prolly=Pobably
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Eriam JH
Originally by: Terminal Insanity Idiot. welcome to the real world.
I almost choked when I read this. You've got a lot of nerve calling someone an idiot when you're wearing a monocle.
The monocle is a recognition that he is not a useless poor person
The whole "poor person" thing was kind of amusing when the monocle overlords did it.....when you and that other moron do it, it just comes of as "try hard" and a desperate attempt for attention....maybe try cutting yourself, maybe mommy and daddy might give the attention you are so obviously craving....my guess is though they are just thoroughly disappointed and wishing they had used that condom.
Father's dead, mother killed him
Now if you will excuse me, Passion of the Jew just arrived from Netflix and I need to go get my lotion
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Now if you will excuse me, Passion of the Jew just arrived from Netflix and I need to go get my lotion
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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:24:00 -
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Consider this, on the previous expansions there were large surges of player increase, more players came on and records were broken, However such has not happened to incarna.
Incarna did not truly apply any new content for spaceships with a few fixes and cosmetic changes. It was instead focused on Station Sims. Eve is about Spaceships not Station sims. It may be something that most players want, but it is mostly likely low on the priority compared to Spaceships.
Incarna is something that CCP focused more upon and less upon spaceships. Since there is no new content to spaceships, everyone will begin to feel the crunch of unfinished and broken existing content.
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Mortania
Minmatar No Compromise Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:25:00 -
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While I wouldn't say 100% of profits should be put back into EVE, that's idiocy, I will say I wish that more than 22 people were working on EVE over the last 18 months. It could have been epic and the goose would have been laying even larger more pure golden eggs.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:36:00 -
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To be fair if they had 50% of their revenue going towards EVE they wouldn't have the problems they do today. We have to be honest, the expansions of the last 2 years have been relative small and in many cases unfinished. That's what has caused such anger in the past 2 weeks. It has become apparent that CCP sees EVE players as nothing more than a gold pot at the end of a rainbow, they want the gold but don't want any effort. Players see themselves being charged more through NEX for basically a subpar effort on CCP's part. Thus they don't believe they are getting their money's worth especially where DUST will be PS3 only and many of the current players thus will not be able to play it.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:36:00 -
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CCP abandoned eve so I am too.
Eve is a great game but it needs work. CCP decided not to do that work and instead work on other games.
Thats their choice.
When and if they ever decide they want to recommit to the fun part of eve - the flying in spaceships part - I will come back. If they just want to do incarna-transactions Dust and WOD I'm out.
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.30 04:00:00 -
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Just need to say the op has a point. Yes CCP is a company to make money and yes they should invest it well, but Eve is their self reported 'cash cow' and if this is really true then improving it, maintaining it and making its playerbase larger should be CCP's ultimate goal. Not making side games on genre's that are probably not new in game styles that certainly aren't original.
CCP You've done the unimaginable alchemy with Eve and made gold. Why are you now trying to make mud?
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Yabba Addict
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Posted - 2011.06.30 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: General Xenophon
CCP You've done the unimaginable alchemy with Eve and made gold. Why are you now trying to make mud?
Maybe they're forgetting just how unique EvE really is
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
My ability to pay my $1600 a month rent on time every time is a testament to why I wear this monocle. I'm better than you
Good grief; go find a cheaper place. What you save in 3-4 months could put a downpayment on a new home, and you could cut $400/month from what you're paying now and put it on a mortgage.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.30 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran
Good grief; go find a cheaper place. What you save in 3-4 months could put a downpayment on a new home, and you could cut $400/month from what you're paying now and put it on a mortgage.
Getting out in 5 weeks or so and probably moving to an area with good insane rednecks (some people know it as the US military, what can I say I want back in. No infantry for me again though, probably go to Uncle Sam's Aerial Fairies. Already proven I haz balls )
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Yabba Addict
Originally by: General Xenophon
CCP You've done the unimaginable alchemy with Eve and made gold. Why are you now trying to make mud?
Maybe they're forgetting just how unique EvE really is
What makes it unique? A player driven economy?
All games are unique. Its not a matter of whether ccp will start losing money on eve. Its just a matter of how much better they could make eve if they fixed it and continued to work on it.
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