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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:56:00 -
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"TheMittani The Mittani We're in the nitty gritty examining metrics related to the crisis, seeing which player demos have unsubbed. So far, things are ok. #csm6 9 minutes ago"
After taking the company (CCP) line in his tentonhammer interview I really wonder what Mitten's definition of OK is........
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Alina Devore
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: tika te there has benn more than enough of discussions. now results and clear statements are what we all need. if it goes by the players nex shop should dissapear and all related discussion would also do. ccp should concentrate on ingame issues. unfortunatelly ccp won't do that.
Really? 'cos this player is happy with NeX sticking around for Vanity-only items, and I'm willing to put my faith in CCP abiding with vanity-only if they have said to the CSM and the playerbase that that is all it will ever be. Before anyone chimes in that CCP have broken promises like that before, no they haven't; all they've ever said was that at the point the statement was given they did not have MT plans for EVE.
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Brannor McThife
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.30 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vain Eldritch Edited by: Vain Eldritch on 30/06/2011 12:17:22 It would be highly amusing if the players signed an NDA and are unable talk about the meeting...
All they would have to do is post a screenshot of their subscription being cancelled, and that will be the end of things.
You know... that saying coming back to prove useful... judge the meeting on what the CSM do and not what they say...
-G
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:04:00 -
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Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead On the schedule for the afternoon: The NEX - items, strategy, the present and future #csm6 #tweetfleet 55 seconds ago
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Juliette Red Internet spaceships , serious business.
Some people really need to take everything said with a pinch of salt. Both parties want this to be a successful meeting , there will be compromise on both sides but I bet the outcome will be satisfactory to most people.
NEX will be here to stay IMO , but it will have massively reduced prices (99c per item etc), default will be ship spinning (and used for things like changing ships/refitting etc) with CQ required if you want to use NEX or any non ship related services (market etc)
It really isnt difficult to think that those changes can be made and most people will be happy as long is there is a guarantee that no pay-to-win MT will be put into EvE for say the next 3 years with a review conducted with that years CSM to see if its a viable oportunity. That gets us what people want to see now but leaves the door oopen if CCP wish to consider trying to change it.
I can only assume you work for CCP with that post, people can't be that neieve!
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:07:00 -
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Can you please stop using the term 'metrics' when you mean 'statistics'. 'Metrics' is just the newspeak term for statistics and is only used by politicians and companies who belive 'metrics' will coax more trust from an audience than 'statistics'.
Please help protect the english language.
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Phrometeus Hyks
Caldari INTRUSION COUNTERMEASURES ELECTRONICS
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:09:00 -
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shhhh....
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: BtodaC Can you please stop using the term 'metrics' when you mean 'statistics'. ...
Please help protect the english language.
"Metrics" arose from the difficulty many people have saying "statistics."
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Nilania Telshua
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: BtodaC Can you please stop using the term 'metrics' when you mean 'statistics'. 'Metrics' is just the newspeak term for statistics and is only used by politicians and companies who belive 'metrics' will coax more trust from an audience than 'statistics'.
Please help protect the english language.
But... metrix sounds so hot.. like.. metrosexual..
Newspeak when Realspeak gets just old.
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ISquishWorms
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: ISquishWorms on 30/06/2011 13:13:21 Via Twitter:
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead On the schedule for the afternoon: The NEX - items, strategy, the present and future #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 13:13:27 Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead @Treehead Yes they are #csm6 #tweetfleet 1 minute ago
in reply to:
Treehead Treehead Woodfist @Trebor_CSM: sounds nice but do you think they are really interested in correcting the mess they caused and rebuilding trust? #tweetfleet.
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Cordran Li
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:14:00 -
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Treehead: @Trebor_CSM: sounds nice but do you think they are really interested in correcting the mess they caused and rebuilding trust? #tweetfleet.
Trebor_CSM: @Treehead Yes they are #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Mr FourEyes
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:16:00 -
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so from these tweets it sounds like business as usual, csm licks some boots makes no demands.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:17:00 -
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Bet what will come from this is 10000 AUR to everyone to get NEX moving.
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Cordran Li
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mr FourEyes so from these tweets it sounds like business as usual, csm licks some boots makes no demands.
Kinda hard to tell with only a few tweets here and there
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Harcosi on 30/06/2011 13:18:40
Originally by: Mr FourEyes so from these tweets it sounds like business as usual, csm licks some boots makes no demands.
From the tweets it sounds as though CCP decides what to talk about and when to talk about it?
Originally by: Jada Maroo Bet what will come from this is 10000 AUR to everyone to get NEX moving.
I hope not, I'd prefer my characters to have 0 AUR.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:18:00 -
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I must say so far it looks like a presentation by CCP and not a discussion at all. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Cordran Li
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:20:00 -
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Trebor_CSM: @Karthwritte Current meeting: Zinfandel and Noble Exchange people, Navigator, Zulu #csm6 #tweetfleet
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alina Devore
Originally by: tika te there has benn more than enough of discussions. now results and clear statements are what we all need. if it goes by the players nex shop should dissapear and all related discussion would also do. ccp should concentrate on ingame issues. unfortunatelly ccp won't do that.
Really? 'cos this player is happy with NeX sticking around for Vanity-only items, and I'm willing to put my faith in CCP abiding with vanity-only if they have said to the CSM and the playerbase that that is all it will ever be. Before anyone chimes in that CCP have broken promises like that before, no they haven't; all they've ever said was that at the point the statement was given they did not have MT plans for EVE.
So you will be happy if they say vanity only? Well you are right, they didn't promise no MT they SAID no MT last year... Now think about the time it actually took to integrate the NEX into Eve... I say atleast 6 months prior to release.. So, that would mean that CCP's statements are at most good for 6 months..... Well less if you figure in all the drawing board time and the marketing analysis.. So reality is this:
Even if CCP SAYS no non-vanity MT for Eve you get maybe 2-3 months before they start up the process again... MT is here to stay and it is going to get worse.. It has too. CCP is being very smart about the roll out so far (minus the leaks). Where it is going to come back and bite everyone in the arse is after Dust is released:
Dust= MT for advantage based game (I could careless if it were stand alone) + Dust= Per CCP statements in the RPS interview will impact 0.0 sov warefare. Planetary conflict will player a larger part in sov mechanics = Game altering MT in Eve by proxy.
That is the crack in the dam that will cause it to burst....
RPS Interview "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Dust Beginnings blog "DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
I am sorry... The plans are already there. They aren't changing. Full blown MT is going to happen no matter how many times we call BS. CCP has invested too much time and money into the concept and plan to reverse course now...
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cordran Li Trebor_CSM: @Karthwritte Current meeting: Zinfandel and Noble Exchange people, Navigator, Zulu #csm6 #tweetfleet
If only we had elected an al Qaida!
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Rex Liberium
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rex Liberium on 30/06/2011 13:26:52 I dont have twitter, but can anybody twitter: @Trebor_CSM MT for NON-vanity items? Yes or NO? #tweetfleet #CSM6
?? I think we have waited long enough for that answer.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cordran Li Treehead: @Trebor_CSM: sounds nice but do you think they are really interested in correcting the mess they caused and rebuilding trust? #tweetfleet.
Trebor_CSM: @Treehead Yes they are #csm6 #tweetfleet
Did anyone else's spin BS detector fly off the scale?
What company WOULDN'T be interested in correcting the mess - and more importantly the crap PR.
Trebor - if you don't want to sound like CCPs PR guy then STFU until you have something substantial to say. Really.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:29:00 -
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The CSM can't really make demands, its not like it has any bargaining power. It can try to make sure CCP understands the players views and give some suggestions to improve the design as well as give some feedback on any alterations. I'm sure they will do good but donÆt expect the 'no to micro transactions' camp to have any success. I also expect they will be helping CCP to communicate clearly that micro transactions will only ever be for vanity items and hopefully why CCP will keep their word (i.e. Because they understand that 'pay to win' would destroy the premise of the eve sandbox).
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weat bix
Caldari 40 Thieves
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: BtodaC The CSM can't really make demands, its not like it has any bargaining power. It can try to make sure CCP understands the players views and give some suggestions to improve the design as well as give some feedback on any alterations. I'm sure they will do good but donÆt expect the 'no to micro transactions' camp to have any success. I also expect they will be helping CCP to communicate clearly that micro transactions will only ever be for vanity items and hopefully why CCP will keep their word (i.e. Because they understand that 'pay to win' would destroy the premise of the eve sandbox).
Please do not forget to add ccp's "at this time" every thing ccp says is only at this time and we all know this time last only for a second
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intellnotfound
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:32:00 -
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People on here are still really missing the point. Its not only about the store and the P2W.
There are loads of issues surrounding eve that have been there for years. THis was just the iceing on the cake for a lot of people.
If I am being brutaly honest here, the CSM is what 8 people out there at the moment. What really needs to happen is CCP speak to the player base as a whole not just a select group of people. Its easy to pursuade 8 people into your way of thinking and then let the CSM convince us. Dispite how this meeting goes today, I am going to wait for actual results. When I see bugs being fixed, ballance issues sorted out, CQ given the option to switch it off and go back to hanger view, patches start to be applied properly, botters being dealt with in a timely manner, etc etc.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:36:00 -
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They are all in a meeting ... ... what are we waiting for? --
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound They are all in a meeting ... ... what are we waiting for?
Shenanigans... - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: El'Niaga
EliseRandolph
hum who is that ? i don't see his EVE name on his twitter account :/
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:45:00 -
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'What really needs to happen is CCP speak to the player base as a whole not just a select group of people.'
They tried to in the dev blogs but the forum warriors don't bother reading them. In the last year CCP has clearly communicated to the players bug fixes, lag improvements, and even finally making the difference between BPO's and BPC's. To suggest that they haven't been working hard on refining the game is only a display of your own failure to read the dev blogs.
I would hope CCP would have grasped the urgent need to reintroduce the ship spinning screen as the alternative to captains quarters on day one of the new builds release.
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BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.30 13:47:00 -
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EliseRandolph is Elise Randolph in game.
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