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Dex Ironmind
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Ironmind on 01/07/2011 17:14:55
Just Tweeted...
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We have finalized our statement, CCP is working on theirs. Arnar and Mittens have done a video discussion #csm6 #tweetfleet 5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead These will be localized into Russian and German, and everything will be released ASAP -- but not today. #csm6 #tweetfleet
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead We worked all afternoon on the statements, but the preparation/localization takes time. Unavoidable. #csm6
Le sigh.
Dex was here.
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:12:00 -
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srsly... what did you expect ?
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Tom Gerard
Caldari RPS holdings Auctorita Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:12:00 -
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Mittens said he was pleased, and while Mittens is a complete ass. I trust him.
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Natalie Cerulean
Caldari Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:13:00 -
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Mittens said it would be out tonight?
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:14:00 -
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they are in a pub now they cant write statement
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Meeogi
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:14:00 -
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The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Wax on Wax off |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:17:00 -
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divas
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:18:00 -
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RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Get on the CSM's ass right now!
We deserve, we have earned, a response today.
Make it so.
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:19:00 -
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ill admit i cant resist hot viking chicks either but srsly if i had a ****in job to do id do it
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Tora Hokori
Amarr The Azerick Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:19:00 -
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Yeah...make us wait longer. That's a great ****ing strategy because it's already worked so well.
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 17:20:39
CCP&CSM, you do realise there is actually thousands of players awaiting an anwser since weeks ?
And you do realise it would take 15 minutes of your time to actually tell us in a few sentence, what was said in that meeting ? Can't you do that between to session of dining/playing/havingfun in Iceland ?
Damn, those guys sure are lazy greedy bastards. Hope they enjoyed their holidays.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Sadly, this.
And yes, why does it need to be translated right away, send it out in English and if necessary do translations later on.
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Considering the ridiculous *****ing and whining over the "tone" of the other recent devblogs, i can't blame them for taking some time to choose the right words.
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:20:00 -
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Oh, my... who would've thought that simply saying "yes, CCP has plans to go beyound vanity items" must be that hard?
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Elienore
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Govinda Sertan CCP&CSM, you do realise there is actually thousands of players awaiting an anwser since weeks ?
And you do realise it would take 15 minutes of our time to actually tell us in a few sentence, what was said in that meeting ?
Damn, those guys sure are lazy greedy bastards. Hope they enjoyed their holidays.
If worded poorly... people will rage.
Then again, people will most likely rage anyway >,>
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Psychlo
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Mythbusters proved it takes quite some time to polish ****. Anything that takes a full day to spin means there is a lot to spin.
Sigh.
"Victor Tango. . . .TORA TORA TORA"
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Suicide Failed
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
This is so true and exactly what CCP have been doing lately.
Why cant they just release the minutes of the meeting? The minutes are taken by 1 person usually and contain everything mentioned in the meeting!
Give us the truth CCP, stop the delay tactics.
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Natalie Cerulean
Caldari Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Cerulean on 01/07/2011 17:21:47 I'm sort of confused here as Mittens specifically said it would be out tonight but now Trebor is saying it won't be? Though Trebor's tweet was well after Mittens so maybe something came up.
Is it sad that I was really looking forward to this?
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Gangotri XII
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
i am afraid that i have to agree with you
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Meeogi
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Khamelean
Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Considering the ridiculous *****ing and whining over the "tone" of the other recent devblogs, i can't blame them for taking some time to choose the right words.
How many way's can one say .. "yes" there will be non-vanity micro's or "no" there will not be non-vanity micro's.
Im totally stoked to find out though!
Wax on Wax off |
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 17:24:00
mfw I realise CSM act EXACTLY like CCP.
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waltari
Caldari Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:23:00 -
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posting in future centre of all tears (well at least untill tommorow) Signature removed for inappropriate language. Zymurgist |
Elienore
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Psychlo
Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Mythbusters proved it takes quite some time to polish ****. Anything that takes a full day to spin means there is a lot to spin.
Sigh.
"Victor Tango. . . .TORA TORA TORA"
Not like Mythbusters are that 100% great and all... I mean, they tested the "myth" about your tongue sticking to metal in sub-zero environment. I mean c'mon, why test it? I've known it was real since I was 4 (hurts alot...).
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Portmanteau on 01/07/2011 17:26:28
Originally by: Tora Hokori Yeah...make us wait longer. That's a great ****ing strategy because it's already worked so well.
Actually it's just slightly better than releasing another :sh!tblog: (tm) on the weekend and having sat/sun consumed by riots and forum rage. This whole thing is about damage control.
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:27:00 -
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Taking bets that the translators only work weekdays...
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RensPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eclorc Taking bets that the translators only work weekdays...
i can translate it for them:
rable rable rable rable rable rable |
Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
I tried that line once with a thesis committee and they didn't go for it.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:29:00 -
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CCP thinks the Ostrich Syndrome will work in their favor, like we will all bow down an take it. Sound collision, go to ramming speed!
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Gerard Mittens said he was pleased, and while Mittens is a complete ass. I trust him.
I gotta agree with TG here
Mittani may be a insecure, emotional wreck who says and does things because failed at life but if he is happy and not anal about the results then it means EVE is saved and all the people who quit will be back licking their wounds .
LETS POST ON CAOD GANG! |
Benilopax
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:30:00 -
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I think our German and Russian cousins deserve to know what happened. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon. |
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Amber Helfer
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:31:00 -
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Google translate FTW!!!!
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Tora Hokori
Amarr The Azerick Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Portmanteau Edited by: Portmanteau on 01/07/2011 17:26:28
Originally by: Tora Hokori Yeah...make us wait longer. That's a great ****ing strategy because it's already worked so well.
Actually it's just slightly better than releasing another :sh!tblog: (tm) on the weekend and having sat/sun consumed by riots and forum rage. This whole thing is about damage control.
Then tell us when it WILL be out...not when it won't. Don't leave us hanging and don't chuck it in a drawer over the weekend. It's not going to be okay until Monday. (though I agree with what you're saying I'm tired of waiting and another unspecified period of no information doesn't help)
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Eclorc Taking bets that the translators only work weekdays...
Here, free of charge:
yes, we will have pay to win ja, zullen we moeten betalen om te winnen oui, nous aurons payer pour gagner ja, wir haben zu zahlen, um zu gewinnen Jß, vi= munum hafa borga til a= vinna s8, dovremo pagare per vincere Sf, tendremos que pagar para ganar Да, нам придется заплатить, чтобы выиграть ndiyo, tutakuwa na kulipa kushinda sic erit solvere win ja, vi betala f÷r att vinna tß, beidh orainn a foc a bhuachan
نعم، سيكون لدينا تدفع للفوز
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:32:00 -
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Guys, give them a break. It takes a little while for the bull**** generator to get warmed up.
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos all the people who quit will be back licking their wounds
For a lot of players, that's not gonna happen. When you believe in a community and in a dev team for years, and you learn in a few days that the people you put your trust and money are planning to milk you dry and dont give a fu** about the game itself... well, that's it.
MMO are more than just games. It's also about people trust, etc...
Eve is getting old because there hasnt been any major update since 3-4 years. And we wont get one any time soon.
Wake up. It's over already.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Eclorc Taking bets that the translators only work weekdays...
Here, free of charge:
yes, we will have pay to win ja, zullen we moeten betalen om te winnen oui, nous aurons payer pour gagner ja, wir haben zu zahlen, um zu gewinnen Jß, vi= munum hafa borga til a= vinna s8, dovremo pagare per vincere Sf, tendremos que pagar para ganar Да, нам придется заплатить, чтобы выиграть ndiyo, tutakuwa na kulipa kushinda sic erit solvere win ja, vi betala f÷r att vinna tß, beidh orainn a foc a bhuachan
نعم، سيكون لدينا تدفع للفوز
Amazing!
Good post, and the subtle truth in it's simplicity makes it that much more tragic.
CSM = That dog won't hunt.
"One day you'll look back at the game the CSM has created, and say..."
"Nice goin', f*g." "You really made the game a better place, didn't ya f*g?"
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Rrama Ratamnim
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:38:00 -
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i'd rather them delay releasing CCP and CSM's response till tommarrow and make sure there are clear consice answers to everything and no more misconceptions
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Hunter Verdeen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:40:00 -
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You know what I was against the riot, all the idiocy, all the whine, and was all about wait and see. I mean come on folks it was all about hearsay and suspicion not current fact so I figured why not have fun and wait till it was fact before I reacted because there was no use getting all riled up over nothing. But this ticks me off. While I was not waiting on the edge of my seat for the results of this meeting most EVE players were. Many are holding off on canceling subscriptions, continued riots, or whatever until they get the information that comes from this meeting. In other words folks are not playing the game and enjoying themselves but rather on pins and needles waiting to hear what must be said. This adversely affects me and my gaming and as such is now an issue. I know it can take a couple hours to translate a document into several languages but to not come out with a response shortly after meetings end is the wrong thing to do. We deserve a statement now each and every player whether they are concerned or not about the future of this game so that those who are waiting on the results can act upon them and the game can continue instead of being in a holding pattern. CCP can afford to wait and spin this or make sure what they say is clear cut because we all know they will do whatever they want as they answer to the stockholders but the CSMs answer to us the players and we demand a response from them.
I propose if a statement from the CSMs who were in attendance is not issued soon impeachment proceedings due to a lack of confidence in their ability to properly represent us the players should be the next course of action. For those not in attendance I understand this is just a game and life takes precedence however you do need to justify why you were unable to fulfill your duties as a CSM or step down and let another take your place as well.
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Kueyen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kueyen on 01/07/2011 17:40:45
Originally by: Silas Cooper
yes, we will have pay to win ja, zullen we moeten betalen om te winnen oui, nous aurons payer pour gagner ja, wir haben zu zahlen, um zu gewinnen Jß, vi= munum hafa borga til a= vinna s8, dovremo pagare per vincere Sf, tendremos que pagar para ganar Да, нам придется заплатить, чтобы выиграть ndiyo, tutakuwa na kulipa kushinda sic erit solvere win ja, vi betala f÷r att vinna tß, beidh orainn a foc a bhuachan
نعم، سيكون لدينا تدفع للفوز
I happen to speak the first 4 languages, and believe me: it's a good thing you didn't charge anyone anything for those
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim i'd rather them delay releasing CCP and CSM's response till tommarrow and make sure there are clear consice answers to everything and no more misconceptions
"We will (not) add P2W."
Believe it or not, that sentence took me about 3-4 sec to write.
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Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Helfer Google translate FTW!!!!
Google translate FTW!!!! Google ¦²=a FTW!! Google FTW vertere! Google se tourner FTW! Google в свою очередь FTW! Google, aldi berean, FTW! Google, samal ajal, FTW! 谷歌,在同一時間,FTW! Google, op hetzelfde moment, FTW! Google, בייַ דער זעלביקער צייַט, פטוו! جوجل ، في الوقت نفسه، والتخلص! Googleは、同時に、取り除く! Google is simultaneously removed!
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ZinderX500
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Beelzebubz ill admit i cant resist hot viking chicks either but srsly if i had a ****in job to do id do it
I doubt you will find these in Iceland..
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Yori Kurita
Gallente Omega Wing Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
+1
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Caroliana
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:44:00 -
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https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:46:00 -
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Quote: TheMittani The Mittani I think many of the controversies can be resolved with more clear comms from CCP. So there's progress. I'm just ****ed at the whole mess.
Yep, it's all about how you tell things, not at all about what you do -_-
This will be a huge fail.
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Kojach Baumherr
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kojach Baumherr on 01/07/2011 17:47:06 remember when they release their statement ill be your noob stuff depository
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kueyen Edited by: Kueyen on 01/07/2011 17:40:45
Originally by: Silas Cooper
yes, we will have pay to win ja, zullen we moeten betalen om te winnen oui, nous aurons payer pour gagner ja, wir haben zu zahlen, um zu gewinnen Jß, vi= munum hafa borga til a= vinna s8, dovremo pagare per vincere Sf, tendremos que pagar para ganar Да, нам придется заплатить, чтобы выиграть ndiyo, tutakuwa na kulipa kushinda sic erit solvere win ja, vi betala f÷r att vinna tß, beidh orainn a foc a bhuachan
نعم، سيكون لدينا تدفع للفوز
I happen to speak the first 4 languages, and believe me: it's a good thing you didn't charge anyone anything for those
That's funny, same for me. Hence they were the first to be made. As a direct translation (google translate ftw) they do quite nicely and are correct, the translator can't (ofcourse) convey the correct background in regards to p2w.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:49:00 -
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C,mon be reasonable. Give them time.
To log on empty the corp wallet and hangers, before their own members find out they sold us all down the river, for a monocle and some jeans. need time to make escape
If I was in the same corp/alliance as any of the csm. I F*ckin biomass myself out of shame |
El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:49:00 -
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Disappointed :(
Though proper translation would be better than babelfish.....
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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Koba Kyogen We deserve, we have earned, a response today.
You don't deserve ****, and you haven't earned ****. You have played and paid for an internet spaceship game. Pull your head out of your ass. - NEVER PVP SOBER. |
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 17:53:19
Originally by: Celeritas 5k You don't deserve ****, and you haven't earned ****. You have played and paid for an internet spaceship game. Pull your head out of your ass.
Exactly, we are only seen as dumb cows in here. We dont recieve any kind of respect. We are here to PAY, not to talk. PAY MORE TALK LESS.
****in happy to leave what this game as become.
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:53:00 -
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Maybe they are just waiting for Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Machine« to arrive in Reykjavfk before they start talking about how awesome things are going to be...
We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you.
/I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:54:00 -
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Quote: I propose if a statement from the CSMs who were in attendance is not issued soon impeachment proceedings due to a lack of confidence in their ability to properly represent us the players should be the next course of action.
Why impeach, really? Is there any reason to believe that this CSM could be replaced with better, more useful members? Has there ever been a particularly good CSM? I don't recall one.
CSM should be dissolved, imo. The organization is worse than useless.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 01/07/2011 17:57:12 I seriously wonder if CCP dragging this out so long is to be able to provide some quarterly report and still paint the picture in a positive light rather than what it would be when the final word comes down?
The can say "We've implemented P2W successfully without any significant drop in active player counts...." all while they've been pushing out updates to Incarna that, while not stated as such, specifically seem to be gearing aspects of the game for "Iwinbuttons"....skills not applying correctly, mod attributes not working correctly, etc. It all points to them fiddling with sh*t for which there's no content to coincide with the fiddling.
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Elrica bloodbane C,mon be reasonable. Give them time.
To log on empty the corp wallet and hangers, before their own members find out they sold us all down the river, for a monocle and some jeans. need time to make escape
It isn't easy to spawn things into the game, without creating lag. You don't want the server lagged out while the CSMs get their "thank you".
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Originally by: Koba Kyogen We deserve, we have earned, a response today.
You don't deserve ****, and you haven't earned ****. You have played and paid for an internet spaceship game. Pull your head out of your ass.
Five years invested in a game, full subbed, non plex - but yeah you're right...
Courageous forum alt for the win? You're like some young trash who is content to be shat upon, 'cuz you like being able to hang out with the big boys.
Gratz kid. Way to be a follower, probably the story of your life.
Head's out of my ass, take CCP's "member" out of yours. You clownshoe fanboi lilly white mother fu...
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd I seriously wonder if CCP dragging this out so long is to be able to provide some quarterly report and still paint the picture in a positive light rather than what it would be when the final word comes down?
You look like the mexican guy at my grocery store who works behind the fish counter.
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raker
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:56:00 -
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Strange that one Csm says we will get it tonight and anther say's we won't
I wonder if a re hash of the statement is being made
I can understand that alot rides on this statement but delaying it and making us wait isn't helpfull
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Llambda
Quote: I propose if a statement from the CSMs who were in attendance is not issued soon impeachment proceedings due to a lack of confidence in their ability to properly represent us the players should be the next course of action.
Why impeach, really? Is there any reason to believe that this CSM could be replaced with better, more useful members? Has there ever been a particularly good CSM? I don't recall one.
CSM should be dissolved, imo. The organization is worse than useless.
Only the cool kids are allowed to join! They turned Bill clinton down, he wouldn't "inhale".
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Ripperljohn
Caldari Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:58:00 -
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"Look, we're basically on earth to **** and ****. So unless your job's to help people **** or ****, it's not that important, so relax."
-shi |
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Tarinara
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Gerard Mittens said he was pleased, and while Mittens is a complete ass. I trust him.
But ... did he get us ponies? Sparkle ponies damn it! Anything short of this is frankly a sham, wasted effort and a PR dog-and-pony show aimed at pleasing the press, confusing ATI graphics card PGU's and most importantly: breaking the hearts of small fuzzy kittens every where.
Of course - perhaps they didn't bend him over the desk and start laying pipe and that's why he's pleased...
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Benilopax I think our German and Russian cousins deserve to know what happened.
Ju ken kount on zet - I vont by prinsiple, no matter zet I shpeaks Englisch!!
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Tyr Freeman
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:59:00 -
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c'mon ccp+csm: two days of "meetings" , and you guys need an additional day to write few lines? you dont have to study creative writing to be able to write a short devblog...
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 01/07/2011 18:00:15
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Mr Kidd I seriously wonder if CCP dragging this out so long is to be able to provide some quarterly report and still paint the picture in a positive light rather than what it would be when the final word comes down?
You look like the mexican guy at my grocery store who works behind the fish counter.
Actually I'm Gallente....so you would be incorrect, sir! In RL that makes me French. Parle vous Francais?
Donde esta usted?
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Darth Sith
Genbuku. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:01:00 -
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I'm not holding my breath for anything earth shattering. The fact that the CSM was flown there to discuss the stupidity that has transpired over the last couple of weeks and all we get are tweets saying :
"Just saw new time compression - looks great"
" Saw the other CQ's and the look pretty"
WTF does that have to do with the issues at hand? The simple fact that the CSM was called instead of CCP backing down just means that this new crap is here to stay and they are going to use the CSM as a vehicle to passify the game population. Personally I could care less about monocles ..
I am an 03 toon and have mostly become numb to the decisions that are made on a dime by CCP but it's getting kinda old. The unfortunate reality is that for older players like myself, there is not a lot of things to get excited about anymore. This makes me a sad panda :(
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octahexx Charante
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:02:00 -
[66]
if the statement is"there will be no gold ammo blablabla" im gonna laugh my ass off.
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DaRuLe
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:04:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Eclorc Taking bets that the translators only work weekdays...
Here, free of charge:
yes, we will have pay to win ja, zullen we moeten betalen om te winnen oui, nous aurons payer pour gagner ja, wir haben zu zahlen, um zu gewinnen Jß, vi= munum hafa borga til a= vinna s8, dovremo pagare per vincere Sf, tendremos que pagar para ganar Да, нам придется заплатить, чтобы выиграть ndiyo, tutakuwa na kulipa kushinda sic erit solvere win ja, vi betala f÷r att vinna tß, beidh orainn a foc a bhuachan
نعم، سيكون لدينا تدفع للفوز
The Dutch one (2nd) is actually a question without the question mark. __________________________________________________________________________
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:05:00 -
[68]
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:07:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Tora Hokori Yeah...make us wait longer. That's a great ****ing strategy because it's already worked so well.
Truth.
Why the continued PR cascade fail? Deliver the goods and reap what you have sown. Takes thirty seconds to give us the apocalyptic news, or the radiant hope, we have been longing for!
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:08:00 -
[70]
Mitten's being pleased just means that what we will be stuck with won't totally screw the goons over.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:08:00 -
[71]
They need to just come out and tell the truth a week ago;
"We are going to keep adding items to the Nex store that we believe people will buy. its not currently planned to release items that will give an advantage, but almost certainly will be at a point in time when it is more profitable than not (due to lost subscriptions). Thank you for participating in round 1 of MT testing."
I don't give a flying **** what the CSM's or CCP says, because the above statement is by far the most likely scenario. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Neom Disaki
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:11:00 -
[72]
Telling the truth is HARD. Takes a few teams of professions to pull the telling off. JEEZ, don't you guys know anything?
More seriously, I'm not entirely fond of the CSM response we've gotten so far in this whole ordeal. At first they were pretty silent, then they made a bunch of noise after the community had already exploded, when the CSM should be the first ones to have made noise.
This got them invited to Iceland for meetings, to report, basically they said stuff, and CCP said stuff. I believe a ******ed monkey could have told us that, since that is what happens in meetings after all.
Follow this up with this additional stalling the CSM are participating in on releasing the whole truth of the matter, ... I'm just not very happy with them, but I'm extremely displeased with CCP.
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:14:00 -
[73]
Trebor is comparing to a sausage on Twitter. Guess we know what that means. They killed and mangled EVE and then stuffed it into its own intestines.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:14:00 -
[74]
Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
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Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:15:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Behind you stil.......hate waiting, but i wait....
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Ceasefire grantet, but 1400`s are ready to open fire again 2nd July is my deadline
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:16:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Llambda on 01/07/2011 18:17:41
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP,
They've put way too many miles on that excuse already, and it is disappointing - though not unsurprising - to hear the CSMs dutifully parroting it.
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Dirk Decibel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:18:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tom Gerard Mittens said he was pleased, and while Mittens is a complete ass. I trust him.
I do not trust Mittens, becuz he is a complete arse.
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Shamahr Hakeime
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:18:00 -
[78]
Of course we're not going to get a response from the CSM today.
They will have to submit their "statement" to CCP for "approval" and "revision" before we get to see it. --
Shamahr
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Neom Disaki
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Llambda Edited by: Llambda on 01/07/2011 18:17:41
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP,
They've put way too many miles on that excuse already, and it is disappointing - though not unsurprising - to hear the CSMs dutifully parroting it.
That is SO SO SO true.
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:19:00 -
[80]
I had no plans on logging in this weekend anyways - so, Shrug. I'm interested because, though I fully expect the announcement to be a load of fluffy-whipped crap, it isn't as though I can't see how EVE could become a game I once again would love to play.
Go ahead and enjoy your vacation CSM - I know I would. Just don't pretend that the crap you guys are going to spew is any kind of win for EVE.
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:19:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Llambda Edited by: Llambda on 01/07/2011 18:16:39
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP,
They've put way too many miles on that excuse already.
+1
Yellow question, give us answer: YES or NO. Its not that ****ing difficult. Spinning ships: YES or NO Other questions: YES or NO It does not take ****ing days to answer those simple y/n questions.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:19:00 -
[82]
Thanks for the update, Trebor. I hate to be a pain, but when can we expect the finalized versions? Just looking for something rough, if possible. A day, a few days, a week?
Thanks to you and the rest of the CSM for putting their lives on hold for an internet space ships game.
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:19:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 01/07/2011 18:19:32
Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Five years invested in a game, full subbed, non plex - but yeah you're right...
Courageous forum alt for the win? You're like some young trash who is content to be shat upon, 'cuz you like being able to hang out with the big boys.
Gratz kid. Way to be a follower, probably the story of your life.
Head's out of my ass, take CCP's "member" out of yours. You clownshoe fanboi lilly white mother fu...
Koba
Actually this is my main, and I've been here since 07 (2 accounts).
I'm no CCP fanboy, I just have a thing against people with feelings of entitlement. - NEVER PVP SOBER. |
Heilig Nacht
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:19:00 -
[84]
We don't want a statement just a yes or no to the questions.
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:20:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 18:22:30
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Well, i dont quiet get what's taking so much time. We dont want clear statements from you guys. From you, we want what's on your mind, what, as players, you think about CCP.
We want different messages from every one of you. We want different point of view. And we wants facts. Those are not hard to write.
We dont want a blog that as been re-read and re-write by a PR-team.
We already are sick of that. In case you didn't noticed.
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow >I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity. >I am writing from my iPad in a cafe >iPad in a cafe
Oh, you silly hipster.
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Arista Shahni
Amarr Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:22:00 -
[86]
Not surprised. Not even disappointed.
After the 24th I could give two poops about the MTs, personally. It's one thing to be the soul-less money-hoovering corporation. It's another to pretend you're not and then when you get caught not even have the cahones to man up.
No point in listening.
Good day, sir. o7
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:23:00 -
[87]
"What do you say to the God of Death? 'Not today.'" Shows how CCP view the players and kinda highlights the situation they are in. --------
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:23:00 -
[88]
When doing cavity searches in prison, they lube you up first. When they do cavity searches at Guantanamo Bay, there is no lube.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:23:00 -
[89]
Rabble rabble rabble ... we don't want quality ... rabble rabble rable ... we wan't quick results ... rabble rabble ... give noaw!
Just lolz, you know, quality work needs some time? If CCP would just release quick garbage, most people would scream out that CCP doesn't even bother to post reasonable announcements any more.
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Highlander20s
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:23:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
What you doing sat in a cafe arsing about on your ipad, that aint getting a statement sorted
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:24:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Abrazzar "What do you say to the God of Death? 'Not today.'" Shows how CCP view the players and kinda highlights the situation they are in.
I lold.
Nice reference btw.
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:24:00 -
[92]
Well, one day more won't kill us.
In the meantime i will test out perpetuum a little while longer, so take all the time you want.
2 Accs already run out, this is the last one.
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Hunter Verdeen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:24:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Umm no at his point there will be no slack or at least not more than needed for you to properly hang yourself. In truth it does not take time to make an honest factual statement on what has transpired. It takes time to write something skirting around that which while true you may not want revealed because of the reaction it may cause. The longer it takes for a statement to be made the worse it is going to look and the more people will pick it apart. Enough is enough here and I am tired of all the speculating and bull make a statement on what you know already. Address the major issues at hand and if needed say there will be a more complete and encompassing statement made later. This way folks can go ahead and get on with things instead of waiting to hear the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:25:00 -
[94]
How hard is to answer a "yes or no" question?
Are we gonna be told about japanese jeans again?
This is not Shakespeare you are writing and your evasion is not reassuring.
Also funny how "shortly" turned into "sometime not today"
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:25:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Koba Kyogen RABBLE RABBLE!!!
We deserve, we have earned, a response today.
No we don't, and no we haven't. But whatever.
I'm honestly amazed that anyone has any faith whatsoever in the CSM. But given the number of people scammed in this game on a daily basis, I guess a little intelligence from the player base is too much to hope for.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:25:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Koba Kyogen RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Even tho you missed the third RABBLE, we'll forgive you this time. -
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Tyr Freeman
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:25:00 -
[97]
Quote: Yellow question, give us answer: YES or NO. Its not that ****ing difficult. Spinning ships: YES or NO Other questions: YES or NO It does not take ****ing days to answer those simple y/n questions.
this.
i don't want to read some wall of text bringing up the same excuses again ("communications" blabla - sooo beaten to death allready; ccp internal missunderstandings, beach of trust or other IRRELEVANT talking). JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN A SHORT AND CLEAR SENTENCES. nobody cares if you liked what ccp showed you - since all interssting stuff it locked down by that NDA chestity belt anyways. JUST ANSWER THE GODDAMNED QUESTIONS. thank you.
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:27:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Neom Disaki
Originally by: Llambda Edited by: Llambda on 01/07/2011 18:17:41
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP,
They've put way too many miles on that excuse already, and it is disappointing - though not unsurprising - to hear the CSMs dutifully parroting it.
That is SO SO SO true.
So show the ""error"" in "no microtransactions" .....time..... *poof* microtransactions. or "no plans for non-vanity microtransactions" ....time.... *poof* ... ?
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Suicide Failed
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:27:00 -
[99]
So hold on a minute! The CSM are technically there to get our rage across to CCP, sort this mess out and get a concise answer to the main question!
So why is it the CSM cant just come to the forum and make a post about the outcome of the meeting?
Have CCP told the CSM they cant post about it? if so then surely the CSM are a waste of time!
Grow a set of balls CCP, give us the answer.
All we need is a 'yes' or 'no' simple.
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Neville Smit
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:27:00 -
[100]
How long does it take to translate and release either "Yes" or "No" - the answer to the Big Yellow Question?
----------------------------------------- New EVE player? Join me in Eve University! |
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OHU812
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:27:00 -
[101]
LOL
CCP/CSM, one thing for sure, you guys are definately consistant at one thing.
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Dex Ironmind
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:28:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Thanks for tapping a note Trebor. Can we please have something more specific than "as soon as possible"? Are we looking at Saturday? Sunday? Monday?
The question is not just an issue of impatience, but some alliancesm corps and players are unsubbed and not logging in as a form of protest, so normal weekend ROAMS and activities are on hold awaiting your (CCP and CSM) "promised" announcement.
Can you give us some kind of indicator? Give us something worthwhile to go on? Will the response be satisfy the big question? Please give us something here that is helpful instead of just asking for something more of us.
Dex was here.
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:28:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Just lolz, you know, quality work needs some time? If CCP would just release quick garbage, most people would scream out that CCP doesn't even bother to post reasonable announcements any more.
Implying CCP dont released quick garbage on a monthly basis. You forgot Incarna already ?
I am sure that they will carefully choose their words for tomorrow's blog. So it will take a lot of word to not saying anything.
Cause the only kind of article that are long to write, is the one in which you dont tell anything important.
PR and politics takes some years to learn you know ?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:28:00 -
[104]
So to sum it up:
1) CCP hates you 2) you hate CCP 3) you are all still here 4) CCP is ROFL
Mr Epeen
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Satallius
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:28:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Really? Please drop the charade Trebor.
"Yes, there will be non-vanity items in Nex store eventually" or "No, there will not ever be non-vanity items in the Nex store"
How hard is this? Why do you require so much time to express a simple thought, when you know that is what the source of player rage is all about? No ship spinning, the stupid nex prices, those are just a annoyance. The real player rage didn't start until the possibility of non-vanity items was revealed. It's a simple yes or no question, and shouldn't require a day or a neatly crafted statement to answer.
This is a YES OR NO question, it isn't some political speech. How about you actually answer the question that you know is in the minds of all those players who are angry with CCP? It should be simple. Yes or no?
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:30:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 01/07/2011 18:30:39 quick quick
capstable tinfoil hat mode on.
Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Really? Please drop the charade Trebor.
"Yes, there will be non-vanity items in Nex store eventually" or "No, there will not ever be non-vanity items in the Nex store"
How hard is this? Why do you require so much time to express a simple thought, when you know that is what the source of player rage is all about? No ship spinning, the stupid nex prices, those are just a annoyance. The real player rage didn't start until the possibility of non-vanity items was revealed. It's a simple yes or no question, and shouldn't require a day or a neatly crafted statement to answer.
This is a YES OR NO question, it isn't some political speech. How about you actually answer the question that you know is in the minds of all those players who are angry with CCP? It should be simple. Yes or no?
If it's "Yes", what will you do? What you think will happen?
"Yes" is out of context. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Imryn Xaran
Caldari Coherent Light Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:31:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Hunter Verdeen
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Umm no at his point there will be no slack or at least not more than needed for you to properly hang yourself. In truth it does not take time to make an honest factual statement on what has transpired. It takes time to write something skirting around that which while true you may not want revealed because of the reaction it may cause. The longer it takes for a statement to be made the worse it is going to look and the more people will pick it apart. Enough is enough here and I am tired of all the speculating and bull make a statement on what you know already. Address the major issues at hand and if needed say there will be a more complete and encompassing statement made later. This way folks can go ahead and get on with things instead of waiting to hear the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game.
"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"
And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate as they can?
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raker
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:33:00 -
[108]
You can bet your Monocle that CCP have told the CSM's not to post until CCP give the nod
This to me, proves that the Csm's are not separate from CCP, thats why we have to wait for a joint statement, which is strange when the Csm's say thier statement is ready
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:34:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Suicide Failed So hold on a minute! The CSM are technically there to get our rage across to CCP, sort this mess out and get a concise answer to the main question!
So why is it the CSM cant just come to the forum and make a post about the outcome of the meeting?
Have CCP told the CSM they cant post about it? if so then surely the CSM are a waste of time!
Grow a set of balls CCP, give us the answer.
All we need is a 'yes' or 'no' simple.
CSM is a joke, they admitted it themselves when they first got elected, they posted it on the forums. Now, they are being used like muppets, I am waiting for Jim Henson to jump around a corner an yell SURPRISE, we faked you all out!
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D4rkM4773r
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:35:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Originally by: Koba Kyogen We deserve, we have earned, a response today.
You don't deserve ****, and you haven't earned ****. You have played and paid for an internet spaceship game. Pull your head out of your ass.
WoW pal, clearly you don't know how a business thrives. Moron ...
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:35:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Renan Ruivo
If it's "Yes", what will you do? What you think will happen? "Yes" is out of context.
what happens you ask? Very simple, I do not consider resubbing and never visit this forums or play eve again.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:35:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Too bad you couldn't give a rough idea how long "a little extra time" is. Stupid iPad wouldn't allow you to say that, I understand...
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RensPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:36:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. Trebor
Clear statements take no extra time at all. You just write down how things are. Architected, deceiving statements are thoose that take time to come up with to cover what could have been a clear statement instead. |
Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:36:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Really? Please drop the charade Trebor.
"Yes, there will be non-vanity items in Nex store eventually" or "No, there will not ever be non-vanity items in the Nex store"
How hard is this?
Truth.
Answer the damned question. Time is, and has been, a factor.
No confidence vote in the CSM? There any kind of recourse to unseat these failures?
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:36:00 -
[115]
In other news, I had fun in Perpetuum today. Havn't found much PvP yet, but the market-, skill- system and the economy reminds of EVE. One major difference there is that the GM's are actually active ingame, talking to players, providing feedback and help.
Somehow I remember that happening somewhere.. sometime.. OH RIGHT THAT WAS IN EVE, WHEN I STARTED THIS GAME. But now, they're just silent. And delaying. And lying. And hiding behind CSM (occationally blaming them).
When did they become so scared of us, the players? We used to be their friends.. -
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Natalie Cerulean
Caldari Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:37:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Really? Please drop the charade Trebor.
"Yes, there will be non-vanity items in Nex store eventually" or "No, there will not ever be non-vanity items in the Nex store"
How hard is this? Why do you require so much time to express a simple thought, when you know that is what the source of player rage is all about? No ship spinning, the stupid nex prices, those are just a annoyance. The real player rage didn't start until the possibility of non-vanity items was revealed. It's a simple yes or no question, and shouldn't require a day or a neatly crafted statement to answer.
This is a YES OR NO question, it isn't some political speech. How about you actually answer the question that you know is in the minds of all those players who are angry with CCP? It should be simple. Yes or no?
I would much prefer they answer ALL of our questions at once.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:37:00 -
[117]
Could be many reasons, why they're taking so long. They want to pad out what they've done to make it look more. They need to sugar coat the crap, to make it taste better. They have utterly failed and can't face people.
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:37:00 -
[118]
Edited by: TalonClark on 01/07/2011 18:38:44
Originally by: Renan Ruivo Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 01/07/2011 18:30:39 quick quick
capstable tinfoil hat mode on.
Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Really? Please drop the charade Trebor.
"Yes, there will be non-vanity items in Nex store eventually" or "No, there will not ever be non-vanity items in the Nex store"
How hard is this? Why do you require so much time to express a simple thought, when you know that is what the source of player rage is all about? No ship spinning, the stupid nex prices, those are just a annoyance. The real player rage didn't start until the possibility of non-vanity items was revealed. It's a simple yes or no question, and shouldn't require a day or a neatly crafted statement to answer.
This is a YES OR NO question, it isn't some political speech. How about you actually answer the question that you know is in the minds of all those players who are angry with CCP? It should be simple. Yes or no?
If it's "Yes", what will you do? What you think will happen?
"Yes" is out of context.
YES doesn't need context...simple as that. YES = p2w items, something we ALL KNOW in what flavor they come in, if you require context play some MT games out there, plenty around.
P.S. a GM even welcomed me in person (he convoed me) in perpetuum...now that was some funny strange cusotmer care stuff they really must be happy about this, and why not.
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Ohmebius
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:38:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Originally by: Gnulpie
Just lolz, you know, quality work needs some time? If CCP would just release quick garbage, most people would scream out that CCP doesn't even bother to post reasonable announcements any more.
Implying CCP dont released quick garbage on a monthly basis. You forgot Incarna already ?
I am sure that they will carefully choose their words for tomorrow's blog. So it will take a lot of word to not saying anything.
Cause the only kind of article that are long to write, is the one in which you dont tell anything important.
PR and politics takes some years to learn you know ?
you obviously have never written any substantial papers have you? lol so much rage from so many. you want them to answer all questions and release simultaneously in 3 languages. you can give them a day ffs
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:39:00 -
[120]
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:39:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Misanth In other news, I had fun in Perpetuum today. Havn't found much PvP yet, but the market-, skill- system and the economy reminds of EVE. One major difference there is that the GM's are actually active ingame, talking to players, providing feedback and help.
Somehow I remember that happening somewhere.. sometime.. OH RIGHT THAT WAS IN EVE, WHEN I STARTED THIS GAME. But now, they're just silent. And delaying. And lying. And hiding behind CSM (occationally blaming them).
When did they become so scared of us, the players? We used to be their friends..
Thanks, you remember me i have to mine in my Argo.
Dont have any more time to waste in this mess.
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Maj Disaster
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:40:00 -
[122]
As I understand it the English statement is ready for release NOW and we are waiting for a German and Russian translation to be made.
I have never noticed CCP making translated versions of any announcements previously and whilst I can understand that due to the seriousness of the current situation they wish to translate it I see no reason why they cannot release the English version now and follow up with the translations tomorrow.
I'm sure many German and Russian speaking players also speak English as a second language and would like to hear something today too.
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SilentSkills
Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:40:00 -
[123]
Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. Trebor
Clear statements take no extra time at all. You just write down how things are. Architected, deceiving statements are thoose that take time to come up with to cover what could have been a clear statement instead.
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Dex Ironmind
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:42:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Maj Disaster As I understand it the English statement is ready for release NOW and we are waiting for a German and Russian translation to be made.
I have never noticed CCP making translated versions of any announcements previously and whilst I can understand that due to the seriousness of the current situation they wish to translate it I see no reason why they cannot release the English version now and follow up with the translations tomorrow.
I'm sure many German and Russian speaking players also speak English as a second language and would like to hear something today too.
Have you ever noticed the two little flags at the bottom of every blog?
Dex was here.
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Juno Valchelza
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:44:00 -
[125]
Hmm... now people are starting to get after the CSM and lumping them in with CCP about communication issues.
After reading a few posts here in this thread, it just made me laugh and sigh. This is eve's player base?
I'm looking forward to the grumbling, complaining, and raging that will fill this forum as the day goes on.
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Ad'Hakim Tahous
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:48:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Really? Please drop the charade Trebor.
"Yes, there will be non-vanity items in Nex store eventually" or "No, there will not ever be non-vanity items in the Nex store"
How hard is this? Why do you require so much time to express a simple thought, when you know that is what the source of player rage is all about? No ship spinning, the stupid nex prices, those are just a annoyance. The real player rage didn't start until the possibility of non-vanity items was revealed. It's a simple yes or no question, and shouldn't require a day or a neatly crafted statement to answer.
This is a YES OR NO question, it isn't some political speech. How about you actually answer the question that you know is in the minds of all those players who are angry with CCP? It should be simple. Yes or no?
THIS!!!!
Whatever his intention in tweeting from a f***ing cafe it gives the impression that we get to respond as "A" or "B":
A = Tool B = Fool
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:49:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Juno Valchelza Hmm... now people are starting to get after the CSM and lumping them in with CCP about communication issues.
After reading a few posts here in this thread, it just made me laugh and sigh. This is eve's player base?
I'm looking forward to the grumbling, complaining, and raging that will fill this forum as the day goes on.
Most useless post of the thread.
Thank you for trying.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:51:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
The truth takes more time to tell than lies?
It does for my 12 y/o anyway. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Maj Disaster
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:51:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Dex Ironmind
Originally by: Maj Disaster As I understand it the English statement is ready for release NOW and we are waiting for a German and Russian translation to be made.
I have never noticed CCP making translated versions of any announcements previously and whilst I can understand that due to the seriousness of the current situation they wish to translate it I see no reason why they cannot release the English version now and follow up with the translations tomorrow.
I'm sure many German and Russian speaking players also speak English as a second language and would like to hear something today too.
Have you ever noticed the two little flags at the bottom of every blog?
Dex was here.
Fair enough Dex, I did say I "hadn't noticed"
My point still stands that many of the target audience for the translations would prefer to hear "something" today even if they had to wait an extra day for the translation to thier primary language...
(waits to be slapped down on that point too... in Russian )
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:52:00 -
[130]
Funny, I am typing this from my Iphone and the on screen keyboard does seem to have the proper keys to type "Yes" and "no"
Maybe Trebor got a defective one.
Protip: if you turn it 90 degrees you get a different keyboard with the keys in different places.
Maybe the y e s or n o touchscreen spaces work on that one.
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Caroliana
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:54:00 -
[131]
CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell PR and Legal departments are translating the statement as I type. #tweetfleet #eveonline 13 minutes ago
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Clavian Voi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:55:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:55:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Caroliana CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell PR and Legal departments are translating the statement as I type. #tweetfleet #eveonline 13 minutes ago
fake "dev".
tho... perhaps psychic
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:56:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Reyold Bengali on 01/07/2011 18:57:37
Originally by: Imryn Xaran
Originally by: Hunter Verdeen
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
Umm no at his point there will be no slack or at least not more than needed for you to properly hang yourself. In truth it does not take time to make an honest factual statement on what has transpired. It takes time to write something skirting around that which while true you may not want revealed because of the reaction it may cause. The longer it takes for a statement to be made the worse it is going to look and the more people will pick it apart. Enough is enough here and I am tired of all the speculating and bull make a statement on what you know already. Address the major issues at hand and if needed say there will be a more complete and encompassing statement made later. This way folks can go ahead and get on with things instead of waiting to hear the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game.
"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"
And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate misleading and full of happy horse**** as they can?
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:57:00 -
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i just cant expect too much yeah sure we are expecting this all to be answered from these reports but i honestly see it going like this
Hello all, We all know you have waited a long time for this. So, I won't delay any longer. ICELAND FREAKIN ROCKS!!!! OMFG WE GOT SO DAMN DRUNK!!!! WOOOOOO!! oh and the other **** we are too hammered to write about.
Sincerely your CSM, CCP, and Justin Bieber
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
Grimnir
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:57:00 -
[136]
I am reminded of a childish refrain from my own distant youth:
"Trebor mints are a minty bit stronger! Stick them up you b*m and they last a bit longer."
Sorry but it felt appropriate :)
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Chiggy W
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:58:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
This this this this this this this this
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Hunter Verdeen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:58:00 -
[138]
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"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"
And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate as they can?
No I wonder why it takes so long to simply say this is what is going on and this is what the future holds. It needs to be done as truthfully as possible and sooner rather than later. It needs to be without and flourishes, rewording, or other sugar coating tactics. It does not take time to tell simple facts it does however take time to spin things to still state the truth but do it in a way that makes it harder to comprehend and perhaps is hidden by what you have and have not said. All anyone wants is the truthful answer to simple questions. This has gone beyond the whys, hows, etc. and the initial statement needs to give a simply answer with more details to come withing the next day or two.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:59:00 -
[139]
I'm starting to get the impression that every time some CSM tweeted about how they were "pleased", they were talking about the hookers and blow CCP provided for them.
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Natalie Cerulean
Caldari Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:59:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Caroliana CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell PR and Legal departments are translating the statement as I type. #tweetfleet #eveonline 13 minutes ago
This is not a CCP employee as is ALWAYS stated when this guy tweets. TBQH CCP should request twitter change his name as he ALWAYS posts stuff like this.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:01:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: Eclorc Taking bets that the translators only work weekdays...
Here, free of charge:
yes, we will have pay to win ja, zullen we moeten betalen om te winnen oui, nous aurons payer pour gagner ja, wir haben zu zahlen, um zu gewinnen Jß, vi= munum hafa borga til a= vinna s8, dovremo pagare per vincere Sf, tendremos que pagar para ganar Да, нам придется заплатить, чтобы выиграть ndiyo, tutakuwa na kulipa kushinda sic erit solvere win ja, vi betala f÷r att vinna tß, beidh orainn a foc a bhuachan
نعم، سيكون لدينا تدفع للفوز
Don't forget:
do , cawn dalu at enilla
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:01:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Hunter Verdeen quote]
"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"
And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate as they can?
No I wonder why it takes so long to simply say this is what is going on and this is what the future holds. It needs to be done as truthfully as possible and sooner rather than later. It needs to be without and flourishes, rewording, or other sugar coating tactics. It does not take time to tell simple facts it does however take time to spin things to still state the truth but do it in a way that makes it harder to comprehend and perhaps is hidden by what you have and have not said. All anyone wants is the truthful answer to simple questions. This has gone beyond the whys, hows, etc. and the initial statement needs to give a simply answer with more details to come withing the next day or two.
it does when your scared of losing your player base or having more protests in game which i think there should be a ton more out there
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
YarrMama
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:01:00 -
[143]
Edited by: YarrMama on 01/07/2011 19:02:49
Originally by: Llambda I'm starting to get the impression that every time some CSM tweeted about how they were "pleased", they were talking about the hookers and blow CCP provided for them.
And the free iPads and cafe coupons.
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:02:00 -
[144]
cba to find the "what would surprise you" thread in order to necro it...
I will be very surprised if we dont get something like this:
"" Hey folks, before we get to the answer, we need to show just how neat these ideas are gonna be... (insert loads of positive reinforcement type programming here) So the answer to the yellow question is "yes but only these types of non-vanity MT". Isn't it great guys?
...... guys?? ""
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Caroliana
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:02:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Eclorc
Originally by: Caroliana CCP_OhWell CCP OhWell PR and Legal departments are translating the statement as I type. #tweetfleet #eveonline 13 minutes ago
fake "dev".
tho... perhaps psychic
LOL yeah I just looked at their twitter profile. Comical to see some of the past tweets. http://twitter.com/#!/CCP_OhWell
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:04:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Yup I have been giving my stuff to my corp mates and clearing out my stockpiles before i log off. Cause its all a load of crap.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:04:00 -
[147]
*REPOST!!!*
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
Imryn Xaran
Caldari Coherent Light Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:05:00 -
[148]
If anyone here thinks there is going to be a simple yes / no answer to any of this they are delusional.
CCP need to explain very very clearly what they are planning for the near future, and also give us a general idea where they think they will go beyond that. That requires very careful wording, considering their statement will be placed under a microscope, and any percieved deviation in the future will be pounced by the angry mob.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:07:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Chiggy W
Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
This this this this this this this this
Yes this!
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Caroliana
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:07:00 -
[150]
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
Yup I have been giving my stuff to my corp mates and clearing out my stockpiles before i log off. Cause its all a load of crap.
One guy on the forums last week announced he was giving away everything and what system to go to.
Was kind of cool... He gave away 10-20 mil to pretty much all 70 people in local then starting randomly handing out BPO's. Drake BPO, Hurricane BPO, among many others.
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:07:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
The truth takes more time to tell than lies?
It does for my 12 y/o anyway.
The truth always takes more time to tell than lies. Lies go together well, because everything works when you make it all up.
The truth is messy, easily misunderstood, makes no sense, and in order to get it right, takes longer. Because if you don't include the entire truth, then you are in fact lying by omission, which means you're lying.
This, actually, is why a politician always lies. They never tell the entire truth, even if they know it, and even if they have a passing knowledge of what truth even is.
I mean, yeah, sure... you could get a devblog like this:
"To answer the question... NO!!! To answer the other question... YES!!! To answer the last question... MAYBE!!!"
But that tells you absolutely ****. They're taking the time to get ALL the answers, get them ALL right (because, y'know, it's not like they haven't already had their previous statements dismantled semantically and run through a ringer to determine what they REALLY mean), and to make it so you can't possibly misunderstand them. (Although, knowing how people read, I guarantee you that last one is a lost cause.)
Plus, it's after hours in Iceland. While we might "power through" to get the message out, they probably have some kind of labor laws that prevent Mittens from whipping Hilmar until he bleeds to get him to personally stand over the video and copy editors while screaming "NO BREAK! NO HOME! WORK LIKE SLAVES! THE PLAYERS MUST HAVE THIS YESTERDAY!" with Zinfandel occasionally piping in a "SILENCE!!! .... SPEAK!!!"
Besides, another day isn't going to kill you. You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?
(And now, fifteen posts to declare me a CCP alt/fanboi. And who knows. Maybe I'm John Turbefield in disguise... or maybe not.)
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YarrMama
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:09:00 -
[152]
Edited by: YarrMama on 01/07/2011 19:09:49 Ein Spiegel = CCP alt/fanboi!!!
What # am I?
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Ragnar Foulberg
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:09:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Clavian Voi You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
Communication is not the heart of the problem here, ideas are. But a little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might have done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap and a return to EVE's core focus. Instead, we've seen little more than stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
Come back and see us when you have something of substance to share. Hopefully, that will include full minutes so that we can make up our own minds about what's going on, minus the PR spin.
Now THIS is how you tell it like it is! +1
CSM needs to watch and learn.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:10:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Raid''En on 01/07/2011 19:10:49
Originally by: Tutskii How hard is to answer a "yes or no" question?
Are we gonna be told about japanese jeans again?
This is not Shakespeare you are writing and your evasion is not reassuring.
Also funny how "shortly" turned into "sometime not today"
from what i have read these last days the issue with CCP not answering by a simple "yes" or "no" was because there were an issue on what is considered "vanity items" and what is not.
if answer is big, i think it's because they will explains what they include inside the definition of "vanity items", and give examples (or maybe all) of what will be added with MTs, and what will not be.
it will also avoid them be called liars later if they add something that people find strange ; if they tell now what will be it will be easier. and of course if they change their mind another time the rage of today would be nothing compared to what would happen. and with complete information it will be easier for everyone to think about how they consider these acceptable or not.
that's the only explanation fitting the context i can see.
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Jo Blot
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:10:00 -
[155]
BREAKING NEWS:
- MONOCLEGATE STATEMENT REPORTED "LOST" IN HARD-DRIVE HEAD CRASH. - WILL NEED "RETYPING" SAYS CSM SPOKESPERSON - ORIGINAL NOTES "MISSING" - "AT LEAST SEVERAL MORE WEEKS"
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:11:00 -
[156]
Since the least bit of poor wording or even slightly ill-chosen metaphor will spark a new ****storm, the CSM should absolutely have advised them to get this one just right. Given CCP's aptitude for enraging their customers whenever they open their mouths without thinking, I'm content to see them stopping to think before speaking about such an important subject, just for once.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:11:00 -
[157]
well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:12:00 -
[158]
Originally by: YarrMama Edited by: YarrMama on 01/07/2011 19:09:49 Ein Spiegel = CCP alt/fanboi!!!
What # am I?
You are primary.
Engage.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:13:00 -
[159]
Why even pretend you want to read the statement. You have already decided it's going to be full of lies right? Why waste your time.
Oh, that's right, you want to give the appearance of being a reasonable adult when you continue your crusade.
If you were honest with yourself, you'd just start screaming now. You know that's what you are going to do no matter WHAT is said.
Normally, if someone posted what I just did, I would dismiss them as a troll. Unfortunately, I am accurately portraying a fairly large number of posters in this thread.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:13:00 -
[160]
Big Print Edition
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
come on everyone repost this
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
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Imryn Xaran
Caldari Coherent Light Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:15:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Hunter Verdeen quote]
"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"
And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate as they can?
No I wonder why it takes so long to simply say this is what is going on and this is what the future holds. It needs to be done as truthfully as possible and sooner rather than later. It needs to be without and flourishes, rewording, or other sugar coating tactics. It does not take time to tell simple facts it does however take time to spin things to still state the truth but do it in a way that makes it harder to comprehend and perhaps is hidden by what you have and have not said. All anyone wants is the truthful answer to simple questions. This has gone beyond the whys, hows, etc. and the initial statement needs to give a simply answer with more details to come withing the next day or two.
If you are expecting some sort of bald statement of "facts" that contains "truth" then you are going to be disappointed.
Of course they are going to put the best possible spin on it they can. Of course they are going to give themselves as much wriggle room as they can. Anything less would be a betrayal of the one group of people whose interests they really do have a duty to look out for - the shareholders.
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Atreus Venom well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting
Well, with the ones relating to this ****storm (the last two or three, I think), they had a communication black out because first... they were afraid that if they let all the devs talk, the message would be muddled, unclear, and enhance the ****storm. Then they had one person lined up to speak... and her daughter required emergency surgery. (I'm ****ed about things, too, but let's all take a moment to wish well to CCP Pann's daughter, who has no reason to feel any wrath from any idiot in a pod.) Then the CSM was coming, and it was time to wait until the CSM stuck their hand in the collective CCP rectum and help form the words.
To be honest, I'm surprised CCP BigDumbObject was even replying to HIS techie devblog that was released at an awkward time.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Ranger 1 Why even pretend you want to read the statement. You have already decided it's going to be full of lies right? Why waste your time.
Oh, that's right, you want to give the appearance of being a reasonable adult when you continue your crusade.
If you were honest with yourself, you'd just start screaming now. You know that's what you are going to do no matter WHAT is said.
Normally, if someone posted what I just did, I would dismiss them as a troll. Unfortunately, I am accurately portraying a fairly large number of posters in this thread.
no....we dont like politics... you know why?... think about it
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 -
[164]
Seriously can't help thinking. if there was any really good news. It'd be trumpeted all over the forums by now. With all the bad press of late. The csm would want to show how clever they are, And CCP could certainly do with some good press.
If I was in the same corp/alliance as any of the csm. I F*ckin biomass myself out of shame |
Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 -
[165]
It started for me with losing my faith in CCP.
It's about to end with losing my faith in the players.
What a f***ing hell of a kindergarten!
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Arista Shahni
Amarr Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:16:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?
My bank holds my money. My job holds my livelihood. My family holds my love. My government holds my freedoms.
...
A game holds my interests.
At this point, EVE has lost it. This makes this entire post not calling you a CCP dev alt a troll by default.
CCP may be the livelihood of 500+ odd folks, but. They can get a new job.
But never will the community here be the same.
And worse, they do not care.
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Hunter Verdeen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:17:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: Hunter Verdeen quote]
"the one thing that will influence how they continue or not in the game"
And you really wonder why they want to take the time to make sure the statement as complete and accurate as they can?
No I wonder why it takes so long to simply say this is what is going on and this is what the future holds. It needs to be done as truthfully as possible and sooner rather than later. It needs to be without and flourishes, rewording, or other sugar coating tactics. It does not take time to tell simple facts it does however take time to spin things to still state the truth but do it in a way that makes it harder to comprehend and perhaps is hidden by what you have and have not said. All anyone wants is the truthful answer to simple questions. This has gone beyond the whys, hows, etc. and the initial statement needs to give a simply answer with more details to come withing the next day or two.
it does when your scared of losing your player base or having more protests in game which i think there should be a ton more out there
If that is the concern and how things will be written then the document is already slanted and filled with spin and sugar coatings that hide the truth. In other words your statement makes my argument for me. The truth is simple and easy to write/say. Taking the truth and having it say what you want takes talent, time and lots of words.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:17:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Atreus Venom Big Print Edition
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
come on everyone repost this
Thanks for proving my point nitwit.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:17:00 -
[169]
That official statement better not use the term "gold ammo" but rather "non-vanity". Otherwise we're back to where we started.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:18:00 -
[170]
Just to announce I'll be standing for the next CSM.
Only policy in my manifesto is to scrap the CSM.
- Won't take any trip to Iceland and won't misrepresent players because a vote for me would be a vote for scrap the CSM, only that since we've not had that option before.
The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Honest Guv! We had no plans for it but we are doing it anyway |
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:18:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 01/07/2011 19:22:29 I promise that whatever they release will be unsatisfactory. CCP seems to think that the issue is that their decisions/framework weren't "communicated correctly", when the reality is that that their decisions/framework are shortsighted and blindly copy systems implemented by other, very different games.
I'm also fairly positive that they did not consider any of the sterling suggestions for alternate systems that would be more appropriate for Eve while still generating additional revenue.
It's unclear whether or not Trebor and the other CSM even presented these ideas, despite them being repeated in several domains.
This trip was to "explain it right" to the CSM and placate them, it seems. Now they're going to "explain it right" to us in the hopes that, if packaged differently, their ****ty plan for the future of Eve will be accepted by the existing base of passionate fans.
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Zen Sarum
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:18:00 -
[172]
If you were there taking part in the riots (including CSM members btw) you will know we gave it till the 2nd...
No one is going to have 2 days of meetings and have it written up immediately.
No one expects at this point the answer to the yellow question will be straight forward 'NO' and it'll need to be ... 'NO FOREVER, IN ANY WAY NOT IN EVE OR EVEN IN DUST FFS' which is why allot of people quit. We want to give the opportunity for this to work.. or that is just IT, GAME OVER.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:19:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Just to announce I'll be standing for the next CSM.
Only policy in my manifesto is to scrap the CSM.
- Won't take any trip to Iceland and won't misrepresent players because a vote for me would be a vote for scrap the CSM, only that since we've not had that option before.
I was considering running under same premise, but I'll just vote for you instead.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:19:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Raid'En Edited by: Raid''En on 01/07/2011 19:10:49
Originally by: Tutskii How hard is to answer a "yes or no" question?
Are we gonna be told about japanese jeans again?
This is not Shakespeare you are writing and your evasion is not reassuring.
Also funny how "shortly" turned into "sometime not today"
from what i have read these last days the issue with CCP not answering by a simple "yes" or "no" was because there were an issue on what is considered "vanity items" and what is not.
if answer is big, i think it's because they will explains what they include inside the definition of "vanity items", and give examples (or maybe all) of what will be added with MTs, and what will not be.
it will also avoid them be called liars later if they add something that people find strange ; if they tell now what will be it will be easier. and of course if they change their mind another time the rage of today would be nothing compared to what would happen. and with complete information it will be easier for everyone to think about how they consider these acceptable or not.
that's the only explanation fitting the context i can see.
Actually, this would be incorrect. If we have to redefine what "vanity" means then we are already in meaningless lawyer garbage land.
Defining vanity took the internet less than 30 seconds:
Quote: n. pl. van+i+ties 1. The quality or condition of being vain. 2. Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments; conceit. See Synonyms at conceit. 3. Lack of usefulness, worth, or effect; worthlessness. 4. a. Something that is vain, futile, or worthless. b. Something about which one is vain or conceited.
Is there ambiguity in vain, futile, or worthless, or lack of usefulness?
I don't think so.
Any attempt to tamper with the definition would just be an attempt to stretch it to cover non vanity stuff. The question at the center of vanity is:
"Is it of any use?"
If it turns into:
"Does it hurt the sandbox?"
"Is it of use in combat?"
"It is of use in limiter circumstances"
Etc then in effect its being turned into a meaningless adjective which meaning will be modified to suit CCP's interest.
There is a reason the simple yellow question is simple, and CCP garbage statements are ambiguous junk like "Gold Ammo"
One is meant to obfuscate, the other, to make clear.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:20:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 19:22:54
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Atreus Venom well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting
Well, with the ones relating to this ****storm (the last two or three, I think), they had a communication black out because first... they were afraid that if they let all the devs talk, the message would be muddled, unclear, and enhance the ****storm. Then they had one person lined up to speak... and her daughter required emergency surgery. (I'm ****ed about things, too, but let's all take a moment to wish well to CCP Pann's daughter, who has no reason to feel any wrath from any idiot in a pod.) Then the CSM was coming, and it was time to wait until the CSM stuck their hand in the collective CCP rectum and help form the words.
To be honest, I'm surprised CCP BigDumbObject was even replying to HIS techie devblog that was released at an awkward time.
So given this and the lack of communication and all of us being Pi55ed why not just put out a msg saying "Yes Non-Vanity Items are coming... SOON... and we will get more into detail about it when or after it gets here"
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:21:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Arista Shahni
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?
My bank holds my money. My job holds my livelihood. My family holds my love. My government holds my freedoms.
...
A game holds my interests.
At this point, EVE has lost it. This makes this entire post not calling you a CCP dev alt a troll by default.
CCP may be the livelihood of 500+ odd folks, but. They can get a new job.
But never will the community here be the same.
And worse, they do not care.
And truthfully, do you care about the customer that walks into your place of employment, cusses you out because of something your third level removed boss says, and then stomps out the door? If they didn't care about the community, all of us would've been banned already because we've all said negative things.
Also, with the economies involved, I think CCP Shanghai might be able to get new jobs easily... Reykjavik and Atlanta are a lot harder these days. And are you saying that your bank is less important to you than CCP, that you would willingly take more **** from them? Priorities... I wasn't even this ****ed off when EBank ****ed me. Anywho, we'll find out the extent of their caring soon enough.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:23:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Atreus Venom Big Print Edition
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
come on everyone repost this
B*tch slap of truth.
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Teako
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:24:00 -
[178]
I find it funny that twitter is used and not the forums.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:25:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 19:25:53 YAY!!! im a nitwit.. feels like im living in England again.. nitwit, w@nker and more you never hear in America much
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
º--Atreus--º You've done it now CCP Mintchip Incarnageddon Edition |
Arista Shahni
Amarr Murasaki Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:25:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Arista Shahni
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?
My bank holds my money. My job holds my livelihood. My family holds my love. My government holds my freedoms.
...
A game holds my interests.
At this point, EVE has lost it. This makes this entire post not calling you a CCP dev alt a troll by default.
CCP may be the livelihood of 500+ odd folks, but. They can get a new job.
But never will the community here be the same.
And worse, they do not care.
And truthfully, do you care about the customer that walks into your place of employment, cusses you out because of something your third level removed boss says, and then stomps out the door? If they didn't care about the community, all of us would've been banned already because we've all said negative things.
Also, with the economies involved, I think CCP Shanghai might be able to get new jobs easily... Reykjavik and Atlanta are a lot harder these days. And are you saying that your bank is less important to you than CCP, that you would willingly take more **** from them? Priorities... I wasn't even this ****ed off when EBank ****ed me. Anywho, we'll find out the extent of their caring soon enough.
I didn't cuss. And most people with two brain-cells firing in sequence are aware that Zulu's devblog looked like it was written at gunpoint.
I just don't want to stay to watch the aftermath now that the boss pulled the trigger on his dreams. I'm sorry.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:27:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Atreus Venom
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to this CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might have done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:28:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Atreus Venom Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 19:22:23
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Atreus Venom well whatever when they do post it I REALLY HOPE they have somebody waiting to answer our ****ing question... not be all like "ok time to feed the dogs" drop a story in front of us and go back to drinking... i just cant see how they put out these devblogs/reports and do not respond to feedback... it is insulting
Well, with the ones relating to this ****storm (the last two or three, I think), they had a communication black out because first... they were afraid that if they let all the devs talk, the message would be muddled, unclear, and enhance the ****storm. Then they had one person lined up to speak... and her daughter required emergency surgery. (I'm ****ed about things, too, but let's all take a moment to wish well to CCP Pann's daughter, who has no reason to feel any wrath from any idiot in a pod.) Then the CSM was coming, and it was time to wait until the CSM stuck their hand in the collective CCP rectum and help form the words.
To be honest, I'm surprised CCP BigDumbObject was even replying to HIS techie devblog that was released at an awkward time.
So given this and the lack of communication and all of us being Pi55ed why not just put out a msg saying "Yes Non-Vanity Items are coming... SOON... and we will grt more into detail about it when or after it gets here"
Because if they say that, then it implies that you can get EVERYTHING... ships, ammo, standings, **** the economy, we're doomed, ALL players leave. If the answer is more nuanced (like, say, "We can promise no non-vanity items for the next 5 years, but at that time we will have to revisit the issue if economically necessary because things change in time" combined with "Also, increased fittings slots on the server would be a 'non-vanity' service and we feel may be a reasonable possibility, but we will never offer a ship that does not conform to the economic necessities present either by turn in or by BPC"... The thing is, you put out the first statement, and people will take either confirmation of the heresy and lies, or as positive "they're communicating with the player base" (they're not). The message they have to put out, on the subject of vanity vs. non-vanity for MT, is possibly a nuanced message just because they aren't going to do it but they have to explain how they are not doing it, why they even had it in Fearless, etc, etc. Because a flat "We are not ever doing it, ever" statement will be called a lie, since there's that Fearless issue for people to endlessly bring up.
TBFH, they should have had a very detailed plan in advance for dealing with this kind of ****storm, but they :ccp:
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Wangston Hughes
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:28:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
The truth takes more time to tell than lies?
It does for my 12 y/o anyway.
The truth always takes more time to tell than lies. Lies go together well, because everything works when you make it all up.
The truth is messy, easily misunderstood, makes no sense, and in order to get it right, takes longer. Because if you don't include the entire truth, then you are in fact lying by omission, which means you're lying.
This, actually, is why a politician always lies. They never tell the entire truth, even if they know it, and even if they have a passing knowledge of what truth even is.
I mean, yeah, sure... you could get a devblog like this:
"To answer the question... NO!!! To answer the other question... YES!!! To answer the last question... MAYBE!!!"
But that tells you absolutely ****. They're taking the time to get ALL the answers, get them ALL right (because, y'know, it's not like they haven't already had their previous statements dismantled semantically and run through a ringer to determine what they REALLY mean), and to make it so you can't possibly misunderstand them. (Although, knowing how people read, I guarantee you that last one is a lost cause.)
Plus, it's after hours in Iceland. While we might "power through" to get the message out, they probably have some kind of labor laws that prevent Mittens from whipping Hilmar until he bleeds to get him to personally stand over the video and copy editors while screaming "NO BREAK! NO HOME! WORK LIKE SLAVES! THE PLAYERS MUST HAVE THIS YESTERDAY!" with Zinfandel occasionally piping in a "SILENCE!!! .... SPEAK!!!"
Besides, another day isn't going to kill you. You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?
(And now, fifteen posts to declare me a CCP alt/fanboi. And who knows. Maybe I'm John Turbefield in disguise... or maybe not.)
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Teako I find it funny that twitter is used and not the forums.
Can't really respond to a twitter posting via twitter.
Prevents the expected butt **** these CSM would/and are getting on the normal forums.
They deserve it, hit 'em again!
CSM is primary.
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 19:30:10
wtf does PL pet always a PET mean? in reguards to a response on my video thats in my signature I don't get it
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:29:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: Atreus Venom Big Print Edition
We have already made up our minds what the truth is, don't confuse us with facts.
come on everyone repost this
B*tch slap of truth.
Koba
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Darth Helmat
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:30:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Darth Helmat on 01/07/2011 19:33:26
Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. Trebor
Clear statements take no extra time at all. You just write down how things are. Architected, deceiving statements are thoose that take time to come up with to cover what could have been a clear statement instead.
Recipe:
<para 1> Apologise for crap communication, and our patience, and reassert commitment to eve, and how much they value input from the community.
<para 2> State the factually bleedin obvious in that no items in the NeX store affect gameplay, and are completely optional. Mention that CQ is just the beginning of much awesomeness, and we need to be patient for the real content, but they are really please with how smoothly recent changes went given how big and fundamental they are.
<para 3> Explain why they can't make concrete commitments about the future blah looking after the business blah evolving markets and industry trends blah shareholders blah mustn't close down future options.
<para 4> Explain that they have been thinking about what things could go in the nex store, but its all conjecture, and no plans to implement anything right now.
<para 5> Explain that some things that might go in the nex store won't amount to play to win ---insert convoluted argument--- and will be not that much different to plex or trading on the character market.
<para 6> Long paragraph to distract from the last one, indicating they'd miscalculated AUR prices and it'll be sorted out soon.
<para 7> Tell us about all the roadmap for incarna, and how we'll be able to go through the door and, er, walk sloooowly around and bump into each other, and er other awesome stuff, that they've been trying to think of over the last 5 days. Er and you can nuke console players from space and stuff.
<para 8> reaffirm the value of the community and our opinions, and how great the CSM is for drawing this to their attention and how valuable all the feedback is and how good it is that there is a nice positive outcome.
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:31:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Clavian Voi
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
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NoobPwn
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:31:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Atreus Venom Big Print Edition
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
come on everyone repost this
Thanks for proving my point nitwit.
+1 QFT
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Mister Poopypants
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:32:00 -
[190]
My theory as to what's going to happen: CSM/CCP will state that due to the 4th of July holiday weekend in the US, the joint statement will be delayed until Tuesday.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:33:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Mister Poopypants My theory as to what's going to happen: CSM/CCP will state that due to the 4th of July holiday weekend in the US, the joint statement will be delayed until Tuesday.
Aw man - I think that is a distinct possibility and would be the final nail in this coffin.
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:34:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Originally by: Clavian Voi
We have already made up our minds what the truth is, don't confuse us with facts.
Clarified that for you. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:35:00 -
[193]
Quote: #tweetfleet #eveonline #csm6 Dinner with the CSM. Brb. Tomorrow. With a hangover. ktouborg Just now more retweet favorite reply
It seems everyone's priorities are straight.
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Clavian Voi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:36:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Clavian Voi You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
Communication is not the heart of the problem here, ideas are. But a little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might have done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap and a return to EVE's core focus. Instead, we've seen little more than stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
Come back and see us when you have something of substance to share. Hopefully, that will include full minutes so that we can make up our own minds about what's going on, minus the PR spin.
Two things I would like to add to what I wrote earlier.
First, I think CCP is due some love for allowing the discussions to run pretty much uncensored on the forums over the last week. Plenty of other MMO companies have abysmal track records when it comes to allowing criticism on the official forums and they would have shut down the threads and handed out bans. CCP got that much right, at least, and they deserve some credit for it.
Second, it would be nice if there were an official mechanism for the CSM to post their thoughts, sort of like the dev blogs. Having to run around to muliple blogs, twitter accounts, and private web pages just to see what the CSM is saying is lame. The CSM needs some sort of official page here at eveonline.com where the current members can clearly and easily communicate with players. There is a forum, but that's mostly filled with questions and ideas from the players.
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Dex Ironmind
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:37:00 -
[195]
Was there some reason my title was changed? Hmmm...
* reaches for tin foil hat!
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:37:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: Mister Poopypants My theory as to what's going to happen: CSM/CCP will state that due to the 4th of July holiday weekend in the US, the joint statement will be delayed until Tuesday.
Aw man - I think that is a distinct possibility and would be the final nail in this coffin.
Koba
Now that... that would really **** people off and me off as well. Because yeah... the 4th of July isn't a holiday in Iceland, and the Atlanta offices don't (or shouldn't) have anything involved in this.
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Alouette Bistrot
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:37:00 -
[197]
Actually, I think it will be released tomorrow as a patch, downtime will be extended, but they'll forget to include the font the statement was written in so clients will crash, requiring a full install.
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Tarinara
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:38:00 -
[198]
Wait... did I miss the memo where suddenly CCSparkle Monocle actually did anything the CSM suggested? All I remember seeing is CSM mentioning they presented ideas/concerns to CCP and CCP replying with 'Yeah fine... now let me show you these cool Vampires walking in a station...'
CSM probably has/had very little input into what CCP actually decides to do with Eve. CSM is there so CCP can gauge just how bad the players will react to any change or new sparklie non-feature and then decide if it's worth the risk. Didn't CSM come out with a statement about a year ago concerning no MT's in Eve? Then what did CCP do?
You can vilify the CSM members all you want I suppose and make them the scape goats here, but you should probably remember who is actually making the decisions about Eve the game..
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:40:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
^^ This ^^
Guys - he's right - they need to address all the questions not just 1. And for the people posting that rage post about communication is jsut plain wrong - alot of people are angry and offended at CCP for the things Zulu & Hilmar have said/done - They also need to get it right - no-one wants another OMGZULURAGEWTFYOUCOKMONSTER devblog now do they!?
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Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:42:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Originally by: Clavian Voi
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
QFT
Treb the CSM has one shot at this, they failed over so many issues that they are under REAL pressure to get their **** together. We voted for you guys to represent US, the player, the consumer, the guy who pays for the $1000 pants.
You abuse or misuse that trust and you prove that the CSM is nothing more than a sit up and beg PR tool for CCP. I have the greatest respect for many of the PLAYERS on the CSM, time to put your money where your mouth is and start dropping your balls on the table.
Statement tonight or GTFO
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Rutger Centemus
Phantom Squad Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:42:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
The truth always takes more time to tell than lies. Lies go together well, because everything works when you make it all up.
The truth is messy, easily misunderstood, makes no sense, and in order to get it right, takes longer. Because if you don't include the entire truth, then you are in fact lying by omission, which means you're lying.
This, actually, is why a politician always lies. They never tell the entire truth, even if they know it, and even if they have a passing knowledge of what truth even is.
I mean, yeah, sure... you could get a devblog like this:
"To answer the question... NO!!! To answer the other question... YES!!! To answer the last question... MAYBE!!!"
But that tells you absolutely ****. They're taking the time to get ALL the answers, get them ALL right (because, y'know, it's not like they haven't already had their previous statements dismantled semantically and run through a ringer to determine what they REALLY mean), and to make it so you can't possibly misunderstand them. (Although, knowing how people read, I guarantee you that last one is a lost cause.)
Plus, it's after hours in Iceland. While we might "power through" to get the message out, they probably have some kind of labor laws that prevent Mittens from whipping Hilmar until he bleeds to get him to personally stand over the video and copy editors while screaming "NO BREAK! NO HOME! WORK LIKE SLAVES! THE PLAYERS MUST HAVE THIS YESTERDAY!" with Zinfandel occasionally piping in a "SILENCE!!! .... SPEAK!!!"
Besides, another day isn't going to kill you. You accept worse crap from your bank, your job, your kids, your family, and your government. Why hold CCP to a higher standard than even the Pope?
(And now, fifteen posts to declare me a CCP alt/fanboi. And who knows. Maybe I'm John Turbefield in disguise... or maybe not.)
Originally by: Malcanis Since the least bit of poor wording or even slightly ill-chosen metaphor will spark a new ****storm, the CSM should absolutely have advised them to get this one just right. Given CCP's aptitude for enraging their customers whenever they open their mouths without thinking, I'm content to see them stopping to think before speaking about such an important subject, just for once.
This shouldn't get drowned out. Let's hope they get it right this time, one way or another.
Originally by: Crumplecorn I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:44:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Clavian Voi You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
Communication is not the heart of the problem here, ideas are. But a little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might have done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap and a return to EVE's core focus. Instead, we've seen little more than stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
Come back and see us when you have something of substance to share. Hopefully, that will include full minutes so that we can make up our own minds about what's going on, minus the PR spin.
Two things I would like to add to what I wrote earlier.
First, I think CCP is due some love for allowing the discussions to run pretty much uncensored on the forums over the last week. Plenty of other MMO companies have abysmal track records when it comes to allowing criticism on the official forums and they would have shut down the threads and handed out bans. CCP got that much right, at least, and they deserve some credit for it.
Second, it would be nice if there were an official mechanism for the CSM to post their thoughts, sort of like the dev blogs. Having to run around to muliple blogs, twitter accounts, and private web pages just to see what the CSM is saying is lame. The CSM needs some sort of official page here at eveonline.com where the current members can clearly and easily communicate with players. There is a forum, but that's mostly filled with questions and ideas from the players.
A lot of eyes are on this forum..muting us would have done them no good. The gaming sites would have loved that.
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Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:46:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
^^ This ^^
Guys - he's right - they need to address all the questions not just 1. And for the people posting that rage post about communication is jsut plain wrong - alot of people are angry and offended at CCP for the things Zulu & Hilmar have said/done - They also need to get it right - no-one wants another OMGZULURAGEWTFYOUCOKMONSTER devblog now do they!?
"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters."
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." Albert Einstein
The man says it all
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Fellblade
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ein Spiegel The truth always takes more time to tell than lies. Lies go together well, because everything works when you make it all up.
The truth is messy, easily misunderstood, makes no sense, and in order to get it right, takes longer. Because if you don't include the entire truth, then you are in fact lying by omission, which means you're lying.
This, actually, is why a politician always lies. They never tell the entire truth, even if they know it, and even if they have a passing knowledge of what truth even is...
...They're taking the time to get ALL the answers, get them ALL right (because, y'know, it's not like they haven't already had their previous statements dismantled semantically and run through a ringer to determine what they REALLY mean), and to make it so you can't possibly misunderstand them. (Although, knowing how people read, I guarantee you that last one is a lost cause.)
Well said. Good to see there's someone sane who's left.
CCP have already said:
Quote: there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
And people required more clarification than that. When people tear apart every aspect of everything you say and deliberately view it in the most negative way possible, then it's worth taking some time to craft something that's a bit more bullet-proof.
And then people ***** because you haven't done it quickly enough.
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Risingeagle
Gallente Dark Destruction Enterprises Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:49:00 -
[205]
There is a few things that CCP and the CSM's need to realize. I understand that they were sitting in their little corner office somewhere, toasting each other on the successful release of Incarna and also the successful distruction of a few thousand computer systems, supposedly talking about what they're going to do with the current situation at hand. What they don't realize is IT DOESN'T MATTER what they're planning or trying to accomplish. Eve is a product of a company that customers pay for. I couldn't care less if they think that (oh lets try to make it as close to real life as possible and make them pay real cash at real prices for everything they do in eve). Bottom line is we all have families and i'm not about to go spend 700.00 on a shirt for my avitar or 3000 dollars on a ship. I pay my monthy fee religiously for both accounts, and that's all i'm going to do period. Not a dime more for anything at all ever. I have children, i work to pay my bills, not to play eve. Of course I love the game, but not more then my family and refuse to put eve before my responsibilities. What they also need to realize is i'm not the only person out of the hundreds of thousands of ppl playing that feel this way. So here's the deal, we're the customers, they're the business owners. Without customers, there's no business so there for, NO ONE CARES if they're talking about how to resolve the situation. Listen to the customers, do what the customers want, and everything will be fine. Otherwise, Eve will go from the largest online game, to nothing. Rising Eagle |
Tugrath Akers
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:52:00 -
[206]
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:53:00 -
[207]
We have already made up our minds what the truth is, don't confuse us with facts.
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Caroliana
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:54:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Ein Spiegel
Originally by: YarrMama stuff
You are primary.
Engage.
No....
Originally by: Jo Blot BREAKING NEWS:
- MONOCLEGATE STATEMENT REPORTED "LOST" IN HARD-DRIVE HEAD CRASH. - WILL NEED "RETYPING" SAYS CSM SPOKESPERSON - ORIGINAL NOTES "MISSING" - "AT LEAST SEVERAL MORE WEEKS"
He is primary... Engage!!
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Juno Valchelza
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:56:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Juno Valchelza on 01/07/2011 19:56:35
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Originally by: Juno Valchelza Hmm... now people are starting to get after the CSM and lumping them in with CCP about communication issues.
After reading a few posts here in this thread, it just made me laugh and sigh. This is eve's player base?
I'm looking forward to the grumbling, complaining, and raging that will fill this forum as the day goes on.
Most useless post of the thread.
Thank you for trying.
LOL yup. Most useless post of this thread. Thanks.
*goes back to reading the other "useful" posts in this thread while sipping a drink and laughing.
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Van Muchbetterer
Minmatar EVE University
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:57:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Xervish Krin
We have already made up our minds what the truth is, don't confuse us with facts.
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:59:00 -
[211]
As a professional writer and editor, I can attest that you can't release text the instant you stop typing. Proper translation takes time. Many idioms, terms, phrases, and manners of speech simply don't translate on a one-to-one basis.
In order to avoid issues with some players getting information first and then relaying crap to the non-english speaking players, they are doing what any organization SHOULD do. Take your time and get it right. After all, that is what you're all *****ing about, right? That they didn't take their time to get things right with Incarna before releasing it? And then screwing up their follow-up by having the CEO release a statement while angry?
Srsly, there is nothing you guys won't ***** about. |
Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:01:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz As a professional writer and editor, I can attest that you can't release text the instant you stop typing. Proper translation takes time. Many idioms, terms, phrases, and manners of speech simply don't translate on a one-to-one basis.
In order to avoid issues with some players getting information first and then relaying crap to the non-english speaking players, they are doing what any organization SHOULD do. Take your time and get it right. After all, that is what you're all *****ing about, right? That they didn't take their time to get things right with Incarna before releasing it? And then screwing up their follow-up by having the CEO release a statement while angry?
Srsly, there is nothing you guys won't ***** about.
I won't ***** about getting laid by a hot chick.
Just sayin'.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:01:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Tugrath Akers The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
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YarrMama
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:03:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Tugrath Akers The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
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xanavi
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:04:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Clavian Voi
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
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Chiggy W
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:04:00 -
[216]
Originally by: YarrMama
Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Tugrath Akers The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:07:00 -
[217]
] We have already made up our minds what the truth is, stop wasting time trying to confuse us with facts.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:08:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
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Cydori
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:09:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz As a professional writer and editor, I can attest that you can't release text the instant you stop typing. Proper translation takes time. Many idioms, terms, phrases, and manners of speech simply don't translate on a one-to-one basis.
And it takes a lot longer when you're drunk, in a bar.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:10:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Govinda Sertan Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
Because our CSM delegates are qualified to act as translators. SLACKERS!!! ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
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Erik Finnegan
Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:10:00 -
[221]
Why is this whining going on now ? Give them some rest.
We should appreciate that CCP may actually make pretty tough decisions here and that they, as a company, have an interest in communicating them they deem fit. We can be sure that the CSM influenced CCP to the best of their potential, and the CSM have surely maintained an unnegociable player standpoint. |
Rumplefink
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:12:00 -
[222]
raBBLE RABble rABblE!
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Tester128
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:15:00 -
[223]
let me help with the translation [ ] [ ] yes no ja nein да нет
you know the question already, right?
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Slymah
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:15:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
-QFT-
This is the EVE player base. We are a simple bunch that want a simple answer.
Yes [ ]
No [ ]
Click one and be done CCP.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:15:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Tugrath Akers The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
Want to buy a monocle? |
Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:15:00 -
[226]
One simple question, CCPs credability on the line.
Game Changing Microtransactions, Deal or No Deal??
Not really a hard question to deal with unless your wearing $1000 pants
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:19:00 -
[227]
I don't wear pants.
Ever.
---------------------------------------------
"MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:19:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Cydori
Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz As a professional writer and editor, I can attest that you can't release text the instant you stop typing. Proper translation takes time. Many idioms, terms, phrases, and manners of speech simply don't translate on a one-to-one basis.
And it takes a lot longer when you're drunk, in a bar.
Seeing as none of them speak Russian or German at a certified translator skill level, it should be obvious they've turned it over to a professional translation service. Also, take a look at time zones on a map sometime.
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Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:20:00 -
[229]
Its not going to help what ever CSM or CCP says.. these crybabys has already made up their mind..most made up their mind without even reading the so called leaked newsletter and mails. So why would they care now? They claim that most if eve community are with them.. but thats not true at all.. 95% of eve doesn't even care about this ****.. and this is why they gonna rage again because they don't realize how few really cares about this after all.
CSM and CCP.. keep up the good work!
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Amar Azaph
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:21:00 -
[230]
Lets give the CSM a break guys. They do this for us in their own time, sure the communication could have been better, but we can say that about most other organizations can't we? They do a good job representing the community and I'm sure they have laid it all out for CCP. We should applaud the CSM for taking the time to fly all the way to Iceland on our behalf, lets not forget that- they are there for us. I know feelings are running high around the community, but lets get right round the CSM and show them our full support. Sent from a campfire using smoke signals. |
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Caiyuga Onishi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:21:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Govinda Sertan Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
+1
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:25:00 -
[232]
Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 01/07/2011 20:25:45 Now we have to wait for a video (that nobody cared 5 minutes before) to come out with the transcripts in 3 languages.
Next thing we'll get is that they are preparing a remake of "Enemy at the Gates" Eve-style to summarize this whole SNAFU.
Stuff better be good. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:27:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Raid'En
from what i have read these last days the issue with CCP not answering by a simple "yes" or "no" was because there were an issue on what is considered "vanity items" and what is not.
if answer is big, i think it's because they will explains what they include inside the definition of "vanity items", and give examples (or maybe all) of what will be added with MTs, and what will not be.
it will also avoid them be called liars later if they add something that people find strange ; if they tell now what will be it will be easier. and of course if they change their mind another time the rage of today would be nothing compared to what would happen. and with complete information it will be easier for everyone to think about how they consider these acceptable or not.
that's the only explanation fitting the context i can see.
You know it's not really that hard a thing to describe. Vanity items are items and services that only provide cosmetic effects. So a Monocle doesn't offer some sort of play bonus is vanity. A paint job that can be applied to an existing ship and doesn't change any of it's base stats is a vanity item. Some wall art for your captain's quarters is a vanity item.
Extra save slots in the fitting tool is not vanity only.
Faster training is not vanity ownly. Blue prints that combine with existing items to create items in the game with superior stats than it's base product is not vanity only.
Once again vanity items are ones that only provide a cosmetic change.
It's not complicated any item or service that has any affect beyond altering cosmetic appearances is non-vanity.
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Van Doren
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:27:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
+1
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:28:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Erik Finnegan We should appreciate that CCP may actually make pretty tough decisions here and that they, as a company, have an interest in communicating them they deem fit. We can be sure that the CSM influenced CCP to the best of their potential, and the CSM have surely maintained an unnegociable player standpoint.
I dont understand a word of what you say man.
You must have the mouth full of the crap you licked from CCP's *******.
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:34:00 -
[236]
-- BREAKING NEWS : --
CCP will prestent his answer to the fanbase in the form of a movie-saga. The work on the first episode should begin shortly. The CSM will be called for another meeting in two month, to think about the script. Estimate time released for the first movie (about the minor issues) : June 2013.
-- BREAKING NEWS : --
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RensPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:35:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Govinda Sertan -- BREAKING NEWS : --
CCP will prestent his answer to the fanbase in the form of a movie-saga. The work on the first episode should begin shortly. The CSM will be called for another meeting in two month, to think about the script. Estimate time released for the first movie (about the minor issues) : June 2013.
-- BREAKING NEWS : --
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:41:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Caiyuga Onishi
Originally by: Govinda Sertan Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
+1
truth
koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Kendra Wilkinson
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:46:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Govinda Sertan Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
Because our CSM delegates are qualified to act as translators. SLACKERS!!!
if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native). We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:47:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Arista Shahni Not surprised. Not even disappointed.
After the 24th I could give two poops about the MTs, personally. It's one thing to be the soul-less money-hoovering corporation. It's another to pretend you're not and then when you get caught not even have the cahones to man up.
No point in listening.
Good day, sir. o7
You can think whatever you think. Assumptions based on partial evidence is still assumptions. This is why the CSM is there, and if you want to keep assuming the worst, that's your stance.
If you guys want to know what they think, just glance at their twitter feeds and see their reactions. It's not that bloody hard. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:48:00 -
[241]
Now playing:
"Why non vanity microtransactions are great, a discussion over bourbon" Starring Mittens and Zulu.
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Telion Rethson
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:49:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Clavian Voi You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
No, I disagree - there is absolute confusion over where Eve is going. On the one hand, we have clear and unambiguous past statements saying no microtransactions of any kind, including for vanity items. On the other, we have the simple fact that the NeX store exists. We also have a leaked internal newsletter, plus what seems to be a leaked internal e-mail from Hilmar Petursson, CCP's CEO, seeming to indicate that this leaked newsletter contains the intended future of Eve - and this newsletter contains plans of non-vanity items coming to NeX. On the other, we have CCP Zulu saying quite clearly that this newsletter was merely internal questions and debating, and (eventually) giving a fairly clear statement that non-vanity items are NOT coming to NeX.
So, here's what I suggest as a way of clearing things up, once and for all - whether as part of this 'joint statement' or as a separate thing, Hilmar himself publicly posts a clear, unambiguous statement as to whether there are currently any plans, at any stage of development, or of any kind, for non-vanity items to be sold in Eve for real-life money by any method that cannot be currently used to obtain such items. To be absolutely clear, doing something like altering the PLEX system to allow directly converting a PLEX to these items would be counted as a method that cannot currently be used to obtain them, in much the same way as adding them to the NeX store would be.
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:49:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Ranger 1
We have already made up our minds what the truth is, stop wasting time trying to confuse us with facts.
They're cute when they're unreasonable, aren't they, Ranger? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Mercedes Lola
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:51:00 -
[244]
its already written u just need a monocle to be able to read it
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Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:54:00 -
[245]
Isn't it remarkable how the attention has been deflected towards CSM as instrument of CCP?
Worth thinking about, twice even, when you rage at a CSM which in spite of its self inflicted powerless start did pick up the gauntlet when it was thrown.
Truth be told, it's remarkable. They went there, at short notice, across timezones, and did the equivalent of a high level consultancy job which in all honesty CCP could and should have prevented. Yet while they make that effort, investment even if you will, it is their efforts which take in rage. While in the mean time the party at cause of the situation is no longer of interest.
Now that's smart PR
No, that does not invalidate the effort put in, undoubtedly by both sides. We can say what we will, but CCP does have at minimum a strong commercial interest in the life of the golden goose. And while people in a state of rage may disagree on whether they care for the golden goose (personally, I think they do, maybe even too much as in spite of segregation there are clear signs of a conflict so aptly described in media as "CCP may own the game, but the customers own the community", entangled in the big cold and dark kettle that is the emerging dynamic of EVE Online. In simple terms, in essence this conflict can be described as case of "my sandbox, no my sandbox", in many ways. Foregoing the important realisation that it's a sandbox which enables more that just dreams, but also people's lives.
No, I'm not making excuses or whiteknighting. CCP should have known better, and could have known better. But regardless of whether people agree or disagree on the role of CSM as instrument, they stumbled, yet stood up and at least made the effort to sit down and channel the information torrent unleashed upon them. Yes, as I said, it could have been prevented and it is no excuse even if there is reason. But keep in mind that most companies in this industry would have just shrugged it off. Maybe CCP's efforts are strictly that of damage control, maybe they are something different.
So all in all combined, and considering that while for us it is (yes, more than just) a game while for them it is also people's livelihoods, a few days extra makes no difference in the test that CCP and us customers face here. On the contrary.
Given the importance of impact and consequences, and in light of repeated attempts that failed in dealing with the situation, I'd rather see all sides make conscious effort, rather than just blurt out things again.
Sure, we would love to see CCP make a simply clear cut binary statement on these matters. Fact of the matter however is, whether we like it or not, that this is not just more than a game, it is also business. No company in this world will tie itself down voluntarily. If only for the simple reason that none of us knows what the future holds. And while historically CCP has always had a remarkable ability to shoot itself in the foot (unilaterally with roots in communications, regardless of internal or external or combined) they also have always made the effort (even if at times it failed, or took repeated effort) to get out there, stand up, and face the crowd.
So alltogether, those few days make no difference. Not for momentum, not for resolution of frustration, not for prospects of resolution on its own. It's just remarkable, that the party who went out there making that effort in spite of their own frustrations and anger (don't forget, CCP did basically walk over them, regardless of intent or cause, even misrepresenting their statements at a point) is now the one under fire, because they expend the effort to maintain the messaging that has been so sorely missed from CCP.
Now, flame away
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:02:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Mitchello Isn't it remarkable how the attention has been deflected towards CSM as instrument of CCP?
Worth thinking about, twice even, when you rage at a CSM which in spite of its self inflicted powerless start did pick up the gauntlet when it was thrown.
Truth be told, it's remarkable. They went there, at short notice, across timezones, and did the equivalent of a high level consultancy job which in all honesty CCP could and should have prevented. Yet while they make that effort, investment even if you will, it is their efforts which take in rage. While in the mean time the party at cause of the situation is no longer of interest.
Now that's smart PR
No, that does not invalidate the effort put in, undoubtedly by both sides. We can say what we will, but CCP does have at minimum a strong commercial interest in the life of the golden goose. And while people in a state of rage may disagree on whether they care for the golden goose (personally, I think they do, maybe even too much as in spite of segregation there are clear signs of a conflict so aptly described in media as "CCP may own the game, but the customers own the community", entangled in the big cold and dark kettle that is the emerging dynamic of EVE Online. In simple terms, in essence this conflict can be described as case of "my sandbox, no my sandbox", in many ways. Foregoing the important realisation that it's a sandbox which enables more that just dreams, but also people's lives.
No, I'm not making excuses or whiteknighting. CCP should have known better, and could have known better. But regardless of whether people agree or disagree on the role of CSM as instrument, they stumbled, yet stood up and at least made the effort to sit down and channel the information torrent unleashed upon them. Yes, as I said, it could have been prevented and it is no excuse even if there is reason. But keep in mind that most companies in this industry would have just shrugged it off. Maybe CCP's efforts are strictly that of damage control, maybe they are something different.
So all in all combined, and considering that while for us it is (yes, more than just) a game while for them it is also people's livelihoods, a few days extra makes no difference in the test that CCP and us customers face here. On the contrary.
Given the importance of impact and consequences, and in light of repeated attempts that failed in dealing with the situation, I'd rather see all sides make conscious effort, rather than just blurt out things again.
Sure, we would love to see CCP make a simply clear cut binary statement on these matters. Fact of the matter however is, whether we like it or not, that this is not just more than a game, it is also business. No company in this world will tie itself down voluntarily. If only for the simple reason that none of us knows what the future holds. And while historically CCP has always had a remarkable ability to shoot itself in the foot (unilaterally with roots in communications, regardless of internal or external or combined) they also have always made the effort (even if at times it failed, or took repeated effort) to get out there, stand up, and face the crowd.
So alltogether, those few days make no difference. Not for momentum, not for resolution of frustration, not for prospects of resolution on its own. It's just remarkable, that the party who went out there making that effort in spite of their own frustrations and anger (don't forget, CCP did basically walk over them, regardless of intent or cause, even misrepresenting their statements at a point) is now the one under fire, because they expend the effort to maintain the messaging that has been so sorely missed from CCP.
Now, flame away
They promised a clear, concise, prompt response. A yes or no if you would.
Instead we get a delayed, unclear, carefully worded PR piece and a video while they wine and dine.
"They are lying to us" as Mittani would put it, indeed.
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vasuul
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:04:00 -
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It's times like this, I am reminded of my history professor talking of the French revolution They got so blood thirsty they were even killing the children of nobility,lets not forget who is to blame here Yes there was an uprising here.Yes we are all upset. The CSM's were kept just as much in the dark on a lot of this as we were.
So,honestly its better they choose their words carefully and concisely. to give us as accurate a statement as they can muster. I for one intend to print it out and save it so if CCP ever goes back on their word in it again:
I will take a huge stinky dump in a cardboard box and ship it to CCP headquarters with that statement neatly on top of the pile I will Also ship it C.O.D for $1000.00 (the cost of Zulu's fancy Japanese pants )
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Mister Poopypants
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchello But regardless of whether people agree or disagree on the role of CSM as instrument, they stumbled, yet stood up and at least made the effort to sit down and channel the information torrent unleashed upon them.
As of now, there's no real evidence of any actual effort. For all we know, CSM may have gotten an all expenses paid trip to Iceland to enjoy cute Icelandic hookers and blow in exchange for sending a few tweets and blindly signing off on CCP's prewritten statement.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:16:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Mitchello Isn't it remarkable how the attention has been deflected towards CSM as instrument of CCP?
Worth thinking about, twice even, when you rage at a CSM which in spite of its self inflicted powerless start did pick up the gauntlet when it was thrown.
Truth be told, it's remarkable. They went there, at short notice, across timezones, and did the equivalent of a high level consultancy job
Now, flame away
They were late off the jump. Practically dragged into the fracas because people started to question their leadership.
Also - you make it sound like they personally built a boat and sailed to Iceland, appearing unannounced and angry!
I don't think a coach class ticket and scheduled dining counts as a rough time. Hence, the super rage.
CSM = That dog won't hunt.
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Shova Kais
Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:17:00 -
[250]
ITT: The embodiment of the "entitled" generation.
"I DESERVE this, waah, waaah"
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:17:00 -
[251]
Ok peoples.. My two cents about the statement and the CSM:
1- The CSM was summoned to express our concerns. They did. CCP is the one that can decide what they are going to do. The CSM can't change what CCP's decision is. Deal with it.
2- The CSM is legally obligated to STFU... That's right folks! The Non-Disclosure Agreement means that the members of the CSM can be held LEGALLY responsible for disclosing information until CCP gives them permission....
3- If you cannot understand this please GTFO of the game called life or atleast go get neutered/spayed so you can't breed your special brand of stupid........
Dev Blog/Statement:
It is very easy to answer either yes or no.... That is not the answer we are going to get. CCP's answer will be BOTH yes and no.
Here is the NO:
No we won't see WTFBBQPWN Jovian BS that can take down PL's entire SC fleet solo No we won't see ammo that gives 5000% bonus to damage and hits for wrecking damage every time No we won't see mods that give you a 99% bonus to resist
In other words the NO means we won't get super obvious game breakers....
Here is the YES:
Yes we will be able to buy faction standings Yes we will see ammo that gives you a slight bonus to damage or cap usage Yes we will see faction towers reintroduced via the Nex Yes we will see attribute boosters and skill enhancers like Quafe Zero
Now you see why it is taking time to make the statement... CCP has to spin it in an acceptable manner so 50% of the subscribers don't rage quit.....
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:18:00 -
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A: Yes we will extend MT beyond vanity items
B: No we will not extend MT beyond vanity items
There you go CCP... all the hard work of word-smithing is done for you. (and it took me a WHOLE long time to write that).
Nobody cares about the rest of the spin you want to put on the situation... that's the real question much of the community wants answered. Are you going to screw EVE over or not? Will it remain the sandbox we know and love or not? The rest is just fluff and spin... you know it, and we know it.
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Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:19:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Mitchello on 01/07/2011 21:19:59
Originally by: Faith Clothos
Originally by: Mitchello Isn't it remarkable how the attention has been deflected towards CSM as instrument of CCP? + wall of text
They promised a clear, concise, prompt response. A yes or no if you would.
Instead we get a delayed, unclear, carefully worded PR piece and a video while they wine and dine.
"They are lying to us" as Mittani would put it
Yes, still personally I prefer that due diligence is done. If CCP does it, good, maybe there is a chance to get out of this mess. If CSM does it, also good, regardless of the ultimate outcome, at least they will have made the effort.
As for Mittani, he made that statement in the campaign time where it reflected on other candidates who aimed at pushing feature or feature detail topics. Things like the Assembly Hall, which was such a hiccup for CCP in its wilderness of topics and backlog. And things like "omg fix blasters". But you are essentially right, but not in an evil kind of way. Yes, CSM was told different things than customers were and it does seem like CCP was at minimum toying with or entertaining very different things again. But that does boil down to the communications challenge. It's not exactly new, heck we had it in beta, and we still have it. The thing is, the larger things grow, the bigger the problems and the more dire the consequences of the essentially same issues (or failures, if you will).
Not by lack of intent though, I do think that CCP tries (even with that issue of "my playground versus your playground". As I said, at minimum because it pays for their lives (and they're not dumb). And yeah, I do think also for more reasons.
It's almost ironic. Hilmar once called EVE an emergent dynamic. The thing with that is, that it is a hallmark of a type of market, type of product which really does constitute EVE Online. Immersive service model operated product. It should not have come as a surprise to CCP that they too are part of that dynamic.
Now we'll see on monday what the results are. And yes, I have no doubt that tomorrow there will be tales of Mittens and others roleplaying drunk brosefs with special devs. Doh. Not the first time, won't be the last. And while some may frown on that, ultimately for the current stakes it does not matter. What matters is what was done these past two days. Not what is done tonight. From what I understand tomorrow folks start flying home again (lol timezone fun), and in the mean time it does appear from twitter and other places that there are CCPians typing away like monkeys on the results of CCP standing up to stick its head together with that of its customers by representation of the CSM.
As I said, I'd rather see that done well, than badly. And if that means a few more days, so be it.
It's just interesting that the culprit has shifted from CCP to CSM, even though it is CSM doing what CCP did not.
Come to EVE in China, EXPERT HOUSING, New Eden's Blue Lagoon.
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Clavian Voi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: vasuul So,honestly its better they choose their words carefully and concisely. to give us as accurate a statement as they can muster.
If CCP really has no plans to sell Pay-to-Win items for real dollars and the newsletter really was just an internal debate that has no bearing on what CCP intends to do in EVE, then this ought to have been a very short and straightforward meeting that took about an hour. Really, if it was all just a big miscommunication then what was being talked about for two days?
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume there was some real debate going on at this meeting. Which is a clear indication that there was not total agreement between CCP and the CSM on these issues. Otherwise, what the hell were they talking about? If it all was a big miscommunication and the CSM and CCP are in total agreement, then this 'Joint Statement' ought to be about two sentences long. The fact that it's taking a team of people to write, translate, and includes video means one of two things: Either CCP and the CSM are even more incompetent than anyone dared fear, or it's taking some time to generate just the right prose necessary to tell us something we don't want to hear.
Seriously, it doesn't take fancy prose and video messages to deliver straightforward good news.
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JSquared
Caldari Quantum Warfare Research and Development Quantum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:22:00 -
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If it takes you guys this much effort and time to answer a few questions it's no flippen' wonder it took you 6 years to make a bathroom with a door on it called CQ. And why the last few years worth of "expansions" are more like a patch that a team of 5 people should be able to do in a few weeks. I swear I'm going to stop calling you CCP and start calling you the U.S. Senate.
This is like creating a committee to decide if we need to call committees to call a committee.
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Kingston Black
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:22:00 -
[256]
Edited by: Kingston Black on 01/07/2011 21:23:17 FFS it's friday night go out and get drunk we can put our underpants on our heads and burn everything tomorrow when we see the statement
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:24:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Darth Helmat Edited by: Darth Helmat on 01/07/2011 19:33:26
Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. Trebor
Clear statements take no extra time at all. You just write down how things are. Architected, deceiving statements are thoose that take time to come up with to cover what could have been a clear statement instead.
Recipe:
<para 1> Apologise for crap communication, and our patience, and reassert commitment to eve, and how much they value input from the community.
<snip>
Hey that's pretty well done. I think that's pretty much how it will be. And then much (forum) drama will follow.
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:24:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 01/07/2011 21:24:35 Here's the facts: Zulu told us what we wanted to hear, but most of you refused to believe it anyway, as they probably expected, so they also said the CSM would come in to be reassured personally, complete with evidence on the 'Fearless' crap or who knows what else, just to confirm the bloody point, and then they worked on statements so we could be told what we could be told, and that, in turn, is now being translated by localization teams while the CSM and devs go get p!$$-drunk.
I'm not going to completely stand by Zulu's 'no 'gold ammo'' phrasing as being definitive, but I AM willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, unlike you rabble. If you're so sure this is all bull$#!t, you CAN just leave. You've even been shown the door, as you so often like to point out.
I feel justified in my neutrality on the issue, and I feel you all are justified in being angry about the situation, but you have had your options from the very beginning. If you've chosen your option, you could have frelled off. If you're still here, that means you're expecting something from the statement. Which is it?! Either go away or have some bloody patience.
Is THAT so hard to answer? :p ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:29:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Mitchello Edited by: Mitchello on 01/07/2011 21:19:59
Originally by: Faith Clothos
Originally by: Mitchello Isn't it remarkable how the attention has been deflected towards CSM as instrument of CCP? + wall of text
They promised a clear, concise, prompt response. A yes or no if you would.
Instead we get a delayed, unclear, carefully worded PR piece and a video while they wine and dine.
"They are lying to us" as Mittani would put it
Yes, still personally I prefer that due diligence is done. If CCP does it, good, maybe there is a chance to get out of this mess. If CSM does it, also good, regardless of the ultimate outcome, at least they will have made the effort.
As for Mittani, he made that statement in the campaign time where it reflected on other candidates who aimed at pushing feature or feature detail topics. Things like the Assembly Hall, which was such a hiccup for CCP in its wilderness of topics and backlog. And things like "omg fix blasters". But you are essentially right, but not in an evil kind of way. Yes, CSM was told different things than customers were and it does seem like CCP was at minimum toying with or entertaining very different things again. But that does boil down to the communications challenge. It's not exactly new, heck we had it in beta, and we still have it. The thing is, the larger things grow, the bigger the problems and the more dire the consequences of the essentially same issues (or failures, if you will).
Not by lack of intent though, I do think that CCP tries (even with that issue of "my playground versus your playground". As I said, at minimum because it pays for their lives (and they're not dumb). And yeah, I do think also for more reasons.
It's almost ironic. Hilmar once called EVE an emergent dynamic. The thing with that is, that it is a hallmark of a type of market, type of product which really does constitute EVE Online. Immersive service model operated product. It should not have come as a surprise to CCP that they too are part of that dynamic.
Now we'll see on monday what the results are. And yes, I have no doubt that tomorrow there will be tales of Mittens and others roleplaying drunk brosefs with special devs. Doh. Not the first time, won't be the last. And while some may frown on that, ultimately for the current stakes it does not matter. What matters is what was done these past two days. Not what is done tonight. From what I understand tomorrow folks start flying home again (lol timezone fun), and in the mean time it does appear from twitter and other places that there are CCPians typing away like monkeys on the results of CCP standing up to stick its head together with that of its customers by representation of the CSM.
As I said, I'd rather see that done well, than badly. And if that means a few more days, so be it.
It's just interesting that the culprit has shifted from CCP to CSM, even though it is CSM doing what CCP did not.
Obfuscation is not due dilligence.
A yes or a no to a yes or no question is.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alejan Gerakh Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 01/07/2011 21:24:35 Here's the facts: Zulu told us what we wanted to hear, but most of you refused to believe it anyway, as they probably expected, so they also said the CSM would come in to be reassured personally, complete with evidence on the 'Fearless' crap or who knows what else, just to confirm the bloody point, and then they worked on statements so we could be told what we could be told, and that, in turn, is now being translated by localization teams while the CSM and devs go get p!$$-drunk.
I'm not going to completely stand by Zulu's 'no 'gold ammo'' phrasing as being definitive, but I AM willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, unlike you rabble. If you're so sure this is all bull$#!t, you CAN just leave. You've even been shown the door, as you so often like to point out.
I feel justified in my neutrality on the issue, and I feel you all are justified in being angry about the situation, but you have had your options from the very beginning. If you've chosen your option, you could have frelled off. If you're still here, that means you're expecting something from the statement. Which is it?! Either go away or have some bloody patience.
Is THAT so hard to answer? :p
Zulu told us crap. wtf are you talking about? Zulu's blog was totally insufficient, and avoided all the real questions. There were a lot of words, and none of the content that actually mattered. Zulu's blog was an example of part of the problem How can you possibly say that he told us what we wanted to hear?
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Imryn Xaran
Caldari Coherent Light Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: vasuul So,honestly its better they choose their words carefully and concisely. to give us as accurate a statement as they can muster.
If CCP really has no plans to sell Pay-to-Win items for real dollars and the newsletter really was just an internal debate that has no bearing on what CCP intends to do in EVE, then this ought to have been a very short and straightforward meeting that took about an hour. Really, if it was all just a big miscommunication then what was being talked about for two days?
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume there was some real debate going on at this meeting. Which is a clear indication that there was not total agreement between CCP and the CSM on these issues. Otherwise, what the hell were they talking about? If it all was a big miscommunication and the CSM and CCP are in total agreement, then this 'Joint Statement' ought to be about two sentences long. The fact that it's taking a team of people to write, translate, and includes video means one of two things: Either CCP and the CSM are even more incompetent than anyone dared fear, or it's taking some time to generate just the right prose necessary to tell us something we don't want to hear.
Seriously, it doesn't take fancy prose and video messages to deliver straightforward good news.
It's been pretty obvious for a while that MT is going to go beyond purely vanity items. If it wasn't then we would have had a yes / no statement days ago.
This statement will hopefully tell us exactly where CCP are going to draw the line. I expect them to explain their reasoning and give lots of assurances that they will monitor things closely and be prepared to pull things if neccessary etc etc - to spin it in the best possible light.
Once we have the statement we will each have to decide if we can live with where they have drawn that line.
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Lojik
Priory of Empire SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:36:00 -
[262]
Why do I get the feeling that it might be a good idea to get to Jita and be ready for the disco lights?
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:38:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
this
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:38:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Tom Peeping Zulu told us crap. wtf are you talking about? Zulu's blog was totally insufficient, and avoided all the real questions. There were a lot of words, and none of the content that actually mattered. Zulu's blog was an example of part of the problem How can you possibly say that he told us what we wanted to hear?
And that's part of my bloody point, too. Just I guess I left clarifying it out. Suffice to say, the latter half of my post still applies- either the rabble has made their decision on the matter, or they haven't. Either they believe CCP is full of lies or they are willing to believe more good than bad may come out of the statement. And if they're already sure there's only lies and slander, what are they still doing here? Trolling? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Kidara Malfasian
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kidara Malfasian on 01/07/2011 21:41:46 This is unacceptable.
This game is my life. I have no other interests or concerns but what you folks have decided. I am bereft of friends except for those I have online. My family annoys me tot he point that I wish they would die or be taken as slaves by the Amarr.
WTF people. How can I ever endure this agony of what will happen to my internet spaceship game? Have you no compassion? No heart?
I will slit my wrists soon if I do not know the results, if I know whether to rejoice in orgasmic ecstasy that CCP has backed down in the face of our united front--much like those folk in Tienanmen Square so long ago and those involved in the Arab Spring. We too have suffered. SUFFERED I tell you. Can you not see the actual real and serious agony that is going on over this? What can I---oh wait, my TV show is on.
Later
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Clavian Voi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Imryn Xaran It's been pretty obvious for a while that MT is going to go beyond purely vanity items. If it wasn't then we would have had a yes / no statement days ago.
This statement will hopefully tell us exactly where CCP are going to draw the line. I expect them to explain their reasoning and give lots of assurances that they will monitor things closely and be prepared to pull things if neccessary etc etc - to spin it in the best possible light.
Once we have the statement we will each have to decide if we can live with where they have drawn that line.
That's my assessment as well. It sounds as if they intend to use the "boiling frog" method to roll out non-vanity micro-sales in iterations so as not to completely **** off everyone all at once. If they have no plans whatsoever to cross that line then they would have said so days ago.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:41:00 -
[267]
I would have happily flown to Iceland to get drunk on CCP's dime. Hell, I'll fly to Iceland and get drunk on YOUR dime if you want. Do I get a cookie too?
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:41:00 -
[268]
So my take on the whole thing. And before I do I want to go on the record as saying I like the indivuals I've met that work at CCP, they all mean well. I think this may be an example of the hive mind losing its grip on reality. I also am NOT leaving Eve in the near future so no you can't have my stuff.
CCP clearly plans to have MT supplied non-vanity items. These plans remain in place. Here is my reasoning.
If CCP had no plans for non vanity items via MT they would just have said clearly "hey, we were totally missunderstood, we WILL NEVER HAVE NON VANITY ITEMS VIA MT IN EVE!!!!" This would have likely come from the CEO himself. Since they can't say that as they must be planning that in some form so they needed to find some weasel words to protect the future of subscription levels and monuments in Jita.
As they discussed the player reaction with the CSM I believe they realized it was very likely the CSM would resign over this. That would be a huge PR dissaster. So they have rushed the CSM to Iceland to refine their spin on their commitment to non vanity items for MTs. They have succeeded via Jedi mind tricks, slight of hand demos of virtual vampire glamming and massive amounts of Icelandic adult beverage in crafing a sufficiently vague and misleading spin of their real plans that finally fooled the CSM.
The actual message is still being refined, this is the reason for the "legal and translation" dodge. If they weren't intending to spin this they could easily release the answer the players demand. "No, we are not ever going to have non-vanity MT items in game." That would address virtually everyone's main concern immediately. Since we aren't seeing such a simple an elegant solution to player unrest you have to assume there are massive shennigans in play.
So if you ask me this is what we can count on.
CCP is committed to what we will likely perceive as non-vanity items for MT in Eve.
CCP has refined messaging to make the claim that is not their plan. They have crafted some way to spin their plan as something "else" that will open up a wonderful world of chocolate bunnies in green fields in space and new weapons for expoding those very bunnies. Their message will contain a lot of distracting promises of space awesomeness based on best in class technologies (basically what we have heard from them for the last 3 years). Based on years of failure to deliver completed content or actually address major game play issues we know that these will be unrealized promises while CCP focuses on the new shiny of vampires and console kids.
CSM responses show so far that CCP can dazzle and confuse them. They can be bought. The promise of a player based oversight organization is a sham.
So I expect the response when it comes out will be finally wordcrafted in a manner that seems initially comprehensive and responsive but when truly parsed will essentially say "CCP will be doing whatever it wants to Eve regardless of the player feedback" and that "trends" in gaming involve microtransactions in a manner that can effect game play and that CCP is committed to that path to increase "the new player base".
Where will that leave us? Accept it or leave? Start recruiting members in corps and alliances based on net expendable RL income?
Or....
Accept that this is happening and realize that "play to win" has already been here in one form or another for a long time, that the effect of this will be no worse that the incomplete content and broken game mechanics we already choose to live with in Eve. The 'verse we know is changing and I don't think anyone, including CCP has any idea how this will all play out.
To quote my favorite cartoon character.
"Could be something good....... could be something bad..." and since CCP has pushed the shiny red button we'll just have to see which one it is!
Issler
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:42:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Imryn Xaran It's been pretty obvious for a while that MT is going to go beyond purely vanity items. If it wasn't then we would have had a yes / no statement days ago.
This statement will hopefully tell us exactly where CCP are going to draw the line. I expect them to explain their reasoning and give lots of assurances that they will monitor things closely and be prepared to pull things if neccessary etc etc - to spin it in the best possible light.
Once we have the statement we will each have to decide if we can live with where they have drawn that line.
That's my assessment as well. It sounds as if they intend to use the "boiling frog" method to roll out non-vanity micro-sales in iterations so as not to completely **** off everyone all at once. If they have no plans whatsoever to cross that line then they would have said so days ago.
And if that's your stance, why are you still here? ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Ein Spiegel
Minmatar Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:43:00 -
[270]
Some things I'm seeing from the exceptionally angry posts:
(paraphrased)
"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! THERE IS BLACK, OR THERE IS WHITE!! THERE IS NO GREY!"
Wait, what color are caldari ships again?
"BLACK OR WHITE, THERE IS NO GREY!"
Except, when I look at it, it's greyish. When you look at it, it's blackish. When that other guy looks at it, it's whitish. And when Miilla looks at it, it's fuschia but with the C in large and yellow font.
/troll
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caldar ian
Final Destination.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:45:00 -
[271]
the fog of war ? |
clbo
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:48:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Govinda Sertan Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
Because our CSM delegates are qualified to act as translators. SLACKERS!!!
if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native). We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.
We is actually just you, and that's something I don't care about. As long as there's morons like you eve will pull trough no matter what.
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:54:00 -
[273]
Originally by: clbo
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Govinda Sertan Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43
The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.
Because our CSM delegates are qualified to act as translators. SLACKERS!!!
if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native). We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.
We is actually just you, and that's something I don't care about. As long as there's morons like you eve will pull trough no matter what.
Is Kendra mocking? I'm having a hard time telling. Because, really, there are surely a large player base who play the game, and read the blogs, in German or Russian only, if they bother to have those language options in the game at all. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:54:00 -
[274]
Originally by: clbo
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native). We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.
We is actually just you, and that's something I don't care about. As long as there's morons like you eve will pull trough no matter what.
Actually, it's me as well.
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cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:55:00 -
[275]
This whole thing is a total load of *******s, lets be honest now people. lol
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:56:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh And if that's your stance, why are you still here?
Because, like thousands of other players, I'm not 100 percent certain where EVE is headed or whether what CCP says can be taken at face value. And if CCP does end up going ahead with MT plans, I'll have to wait and see exactly what they have in mind to see whether I can live with the changes or not.
So I will wait and listen to what they have to say.
Understood, then. I apologize for my tone. I've just seen too much of this rabble. I should probably stop reading the forums.
Carry on, then. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
centurion zulu
Phantom Squad Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:01:00 -
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Are there any other CSM's posting somewhere. Or has this guy been elected as GOD of the CSM's.
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Thorn Galen
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:03:00 -
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Vandrion, I think you have it exactly right :
Quote:
Dev Blog/Statement:
It is very easy to answer either yes or no.... That is not the answer we are going to get. CCP's answer will be BOTH yes and no.
Here is the NO:
No we won't see WTFBBQPWN Jovian BS that can take down PL's entire SC fleet solo No we won't see ammo that gives 5000% bonus to damage and hits for wrecking damage every time No we won't see mods that give you a 99% bonus to resist
In other words the NO means we won't get super obvious game breakers....
Here is the YES:
Yes we will be able to buy faction standings Yes we will see ammo that gives you a slight bonus to damage or cap usage Yes we will see faction towers reintroduced via the Nex Yes we will see attribute boosters and skill enhancers like Quafe Zero
Now you see why it is taking time to make the statement... CCP has to spin it in an acceptable manner so 50% of the subscribers don't rage quit.....
I see it exactly that way, it's a compromise that will make some of the people happy, some of the time. However, a good deal of people will not be able to come to terms with the compromise and that is when the fit is going to hit the shan.
Cheers, Thorn Galen.
Et cognitus, ergo et sum. Therefore I am, I think. (Drunken Yoda version) Am I thinking? (Very drunk Yoda version) |
Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: centurion zulu
Are there any other CSM's posting somewhere. Or has this guy been elected as GOD of the CSM's.
I think he's the only one that bothers to log into the forums- HOWEVER there's plenty of them tweeting on twitter. SOL if you're not watching #tweetfleet or #csm6 hashtags on Twitter, sadly.
---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Kendra Wilkinson
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kendra Wilkinson on 01/07/2011 22:12:28
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: clbo
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native). We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.
We is actually just you, and that's something I don't care about. As long as there's morons like you eve will pull trough no matter what.
Actually, it's me as well.
so we are at least 2, i can say WE (but i'm sure we are really more than 2)
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:26:00 -
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I can understand the wait. It takes time to properly disguise the truth.
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Enaria Ferenic
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Enaria Ferenic on 01/07/2011 22:29:51
Originally by: Ben Derindar I can understand the wait. It takes time to properly disguise the truth.
^^This, and check out the server stats, 38,000 people loged in, a tad low for a Friday night don't you think?
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar Clan Hyena
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 01/07/2011 22:31:40 http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/themonkman/~ESjvy
Originally by: themonkman #tweetfleet Jesus H. Christ! Reading for forums makes me want to shoot myself in the face right now. I honestly would NOT want the CSM's job right now. Most of us are mad about something that hasn't even happened yet (RE: Gold Ammo/ships/ponies) and a couple bungled and insulting messages from CCP. All we have right now is some bugs, which what game doesn't have, and an overpriced store with crap you don't even need to buy or probably even want. Regardless of whether you think the CSM is taken seriously or make any difference, count the MMO's out there that actually have some form of elected representatives that the parent company even slightly acknowledges, much less is willing to fly them out to appease the userbase. Or hell, even one that they fly out just to blow smoke up their asses. I can't think of one. Can you? I can't. So let's CTFD, wait for the finalized results, and freak out when it's all clear as to whats happening rather than being like those crazy ****ers who claimed the world was going to end on May 21st. And for ****s sake, try to hold out a little hope. The cynicm is killing me, and I'm a certified cynic!
Just something I saw earlier today I thought I'd share here... not like it'll make any g-d damn difference. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
Chief Engineering Officer - got the tools to fix your problems.
The new Maelstrom: Say hello to my little Dread. |
Jul1a
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:33:00 -
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It is rather simple now.
CSM tell us what we want to hear or they dont.
Delaying AGAIN means that there is a perceived middle ground.
Enjoy your 5* hotel etc tonight but tommorow you will be judged
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Drauqhk Shathet
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:44:00 -
[285]
Why is it so hard to release a yes or no statement? Because they know we don't want to hear the answer so they have to figure out a way to make us swallow it.
The way I see it is that CCP is convinced that MT (and yes that absolutely means pay to win) is the way to go, on top of subscriptions and with very high real currency prices. They likely have graphs and charts and data galore from other games indicating that more money can be made that way, despite subscriber churn. CCP probably has data from within Eve itself that can be spun to show that no matter what we all might think, we really all want MT.
Will there be non-vanity MT? - yes Will we get always optional CQ? - no Will we get ship spinning (and right click menu access to ship functions)? - no Will there be fixes to current issues and continuing development work on Eve? - yes, but slower than the pace you are used to. Will revenue from Eve players be diverted to work on projects that will in no way benefit Eve players? - absolutely Will the prices of NeX items be brought down to where a majority of Eve players can buy them? - no
These are the answers we will get, the tricky part is CSM helping CCP figure out a way to tell them to us without so many of us leaving that the remainder of the game is no longer fun to play for the paying customers - which isn't us. Pay to win players have to have people to win against, or they just leave without spending all they have.
I think CCP will never consider any other answers because they care more about potential future revenue than current paying players. I for one am willing to pay double my current subscription rate, but I don't think that has ever been considered let alone discussed. Do what you can, with what you have, where you are |
Richard Koslinsky
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alejan Gerakh Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 01/07/2011 22:31:40 http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/themonkman/~ESjvy
Originally by: themonkman #tweetfleet Jesus H. Christ! Reading for forums makes me want to shoot myself in the face right now. I honestly would NOT want the CSM's job right now. Most of us are mad about something that hasn't even happened yet (RE: Gold Ammo/ships/ponies) and a couple bungled and insulting messages from CCP. All we have right now is some bugs, which what game doesn't have, and an overpriced store with crap you don't even need to buy or probably even want. Regardless of whether you think the CSM is taken seriously or make any difference, count the MMO's out there that actually have some form of elected representatives that the parent company even slightly acknowledges, much less is willing to fly them out to appease the userbase. Or hell, even one that they fly out just to blow smoke up their asses. I can't think of one. Can you? I can't. So let's CTFD, wait for the finalized results, and freak out when it's all clear as to whats happening rather than being like those crazy ****ers who claimed the world was going to end on May 21st. And for ****s sake, try to hold out a little hope. The cynicm is killing me, and I'm a certified cynic!
Just something I saw earlier today I thought I'd share here... not like it'll make any g-d damn difference.
To the guy who wrote that, we are freaking out now because it hasn't been implemented just to give CCP a taste of what would come AFTER it is implemented, and give them some pause. They already lost at least $75k a month of income with the guys who have left already. Just imagine how much worse it will be when they actually would implement it? I certainly don't see them making more than $75k a month from the NeX store, which means they already have a net loss of income on top of the development costs that they wasted into this.
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Tector
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh And if that's your stance, why are you still here?
Because, like thousands of other players, I'm not 100 percent certain where EVE is headed or whether what CCP says can be taken at face value. And if CCP does end up going ahead with MT plans, I'll have to wait and see exactly what they have in mind to see whether I can live with the changes or not.
So I will wait and listen to what they have to say.
What the hell is this, a reasonable and considered response on these forums? Something's not right here.
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Karlos Zhang
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Karlos Zhang on 01/07/2011 23:20:32 Does a person have the right to take another persons life = will there ever be game effecting MT in eve youtube vid that cracks me up
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Tector
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: Mitchello Isn't it remarkable how the attention has been deflected towards CSM as instrument of CCP?
Worth thinking about, twice even, when you rage at a CSM which in spite of its self inflicted powerless start did pick up the gauntlet when it was thrown.
Truth be told, it's remarkable. They went there, at short notice, across timezones, and did the equivalent of a high level consultancy job
Now, flame away
They were late off the jump. Practically dragged into the fracas because people started to question their leadership.
Also - you make it sound like they personally built a boat and sailed to Iceland, appearing unannounced and angry!
I don't think a coach class ticket and scheduled dining counts as a rough time. Hence, the super rage.
CSM = That dog won't hunt.
Koba
Do you have a point other than the fact that the CSM got to fly somewhere and get fed while you didn't?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:19:00 -
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The question we have all been waiting for has been answered:
Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead CSM trivia: Mittens likes his coffee like he likes his men -- tall strong and black. #csm6 #tweetfleet
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Azerick Koslova
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:22:00 -
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I don't think the CSM is ****ing off, really. I think they have lost the sense of urgency the rest of us are still feeling to get this resolved so we can move on. I don't know where all these nonsense accusations and assumptions are coming from...did you expect them to sit in their rooms with their hands folded neatly in their laps all damn night? They took time out of their schedule to go do this and everybody's jumping off the deep end without really knowing anything.
That said...This wait is INTOLERABLE but it might have been made somewhat tolerable if you'd have just told us WHEN to expect the statement!
I'd also like to say that no matter how you personally feel about Game Changing MT - I feel like every time someone relents to the notion that it's a given at this point and we just have to wait and see how bad it is is like a nail in the coffin. I can see CCP now, "Oh look...there's another person we've already gotten to accept it...see...they're swallowing it...we just had to wait them out!"
I DO NOT accept this as a given and nobody else should either.
I'll wait and see like everybody else but what the hell choice do we have?
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Tanya Fox
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh And if that's your stance, why are you still here?
Because, like thousands of other players, I'm not 100 percent certain where EVE is headed or whether what CCP says can be taken at face value. And if CCP does end up going ahead with MT plans, I'll have to wait and see exactly what they have in mind to see whether I can live with the changes or not.
So I will wait and listen to what they have to say.
Exactly why I'm still here.
Mind you the forums are getting boring as all it is, is the same stuff regurgitated over and over for the most part.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:24:00 -
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hahahahaha!
No Statement today. Oh that is just too good.
People who make excuse after excuse after excuse for CCP and EVE have their <3 eyes on and cant see the truth in front of their faces.
Get ready for some Epic Spin, some more lies, and CCP feeding you yet another spoonful of sh*t and telling you its actually Chocolate Mouse, you just have to roll it around on your tongue a little longer and think about it some more.
So glad I cancelled my accounts.
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Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:24:00 -
[294]
CCP Fallout tweeted earlier that the statements could come on Saturday afternoon.
CCP Loxy is sorting the Video out, CCP Navigator is transcribing it and that transcription will be translated for a simultaneous release of all materials in all 3 supported languages.
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TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:26:00 -
[295]
Its not hard
Pay to win = yes / no
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
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Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:27:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Mithrasith
CCP feeding you yet another spoonful of sh*t and telling you its actually Chocolate Mouse, you just have to roll it around on your tongue a little longer and think about it some more.
Thats sounds like a 2 girls 1 cup flashback ...
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Kalmanaka
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:28:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Mithrasith hahahahaha!
No Statement today. Oh that is just too good.
People who make excuse after excuse after excuse for CCP and EVE have their <3 eyes on and cant see the truth in front of their faces.
Get ready for some Epic Spin, some more lies, and CCP feeding you yet another spoonful of sh*t and telling you its actually Chocolate Mouse, you just have to roll it around on your tongue a little longer and think about it some more.
So glad I cancelled my accounts.
No facts are out yet. There is no truth in front of anyone. Thank god this game is rid of arrogant, deluded, hallucinating idiots like you. --------------------------------------- Estimate != Reality What you want != What you get You whine != Someone cares Learn to deal with it. -Abrazzar |
Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: TripodAl Its not hard
Pay to win = yes / no
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.
The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.
You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.
Thanks, Trebor
LOL - this tells you the CSM's stance already "Communication Errors"
They are NOT communication errors - and we all know it. *CCP diverts funds from fixing EVE issues for the last two years to fund other development projects *CCP uses funds from our subs to put new shiney's in despite the communities request to NOT ad them anymore, and to fix old issues - why? to get more subs for more revenue *CCP is going broke spending all of its cash on other projects so they can have yet more revenue streams b/c apparently EVE isnt good enough for them *CCP calls the EVE player base a "Golden Goose" - like we're some love struck sugar daddy that will perpetually pay CCP's bills while they roll out one load of crap after another to us that WE DONT WANT *CCP doesnt listen to their player base and makes CQ Mandatory so that we can play their MT game *CCP has clearly indicated that they want MORE REVENUE from their golden goose so they can pay for other projects, and charge $1000 for a pair of Jeans and $70 for a pair of Monocoles, and then Zulu has the Audicity to tell the players that WE have the issue
WTF Is wrong with you CSM? That isnt a communication problem, that is CLEARLY an attitude problem in the company and POOR leadership!
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Azerick Koslova
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:36:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Karlos Zhang Edited by: Karlos Zhang on 01/07/2011 23:20:32 Does a person have the right to take another persons life = will there ever be game effecting MT in eve youtube vid that cracks me up
Funny as hell to be sure...but in this case...it really IS a YES OR NO question.
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Legio Praetor
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2011.07.02 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Venom Big Print Edition
You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.
Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.
Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.
A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.
come on everyone repost this
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.07.02 00:21:00 -
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You've won. My patience has cracked and my arm is hurting from hovering over the unsubscribe button.
No forums or twitter for me until monday. *flexes arm*
I'm sure I can leave the raging and ranting in you capable hands, my dear formites.
Good weekend everyone !
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KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.02 00:23:00 -
[302]
Rage conga lines delayed until tomorrow
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.07.02 00:24:00 -
[303]
So much stupid from so few people.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.02 00:27:00 -
[304]
How hard is it to translate the word 'Yes' or 'No' into another language?
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Richard Koslinsky
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Posted - 2011.07.02 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky How hard is it to translate the word 'Yes' or 'No' into another language?
Obviously too hard... Let's see:
German: Ja oder Nein Russian: да или нет French: oui ou non Spanish: sf o no Latin: Quisque nulla
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Ara Soulbright
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Posted - 2011.07.02 00:57:00 -
[306]
You can't wait a week for some trivial statement, but you can spend years waiting for the skills to fly the ship that you dream about. Idiots.
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Omira Tan
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Posted - 2011.07.02 01:05:00 -
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Now that someone posted the financial investors info of CCP, largely funded by Russian mafia, it annoys me once more how they stress the entire world has to wait for the Russian translation.
CCP, cut your ties to the Russian mob, finally do something about Russian botters, and just post your statement already in English.
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Richard Koslinsky
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Posted - 2011.07.02 01:21:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Korbin Dallaz
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Posted - 2011.07.02 18:23:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Darth Sith
WTF does that have to do with the issues at hand? The simple fact that the CSM was called instead of CCP backing down just means that this new crap is here to stay and they are going to use the CSM as a vehicle to passify the game population. Personally I could care less about monocles ..
I am an 03 toon and have mostly become numb to the decisions that are made on a dime by CCP but it's getting kinda old. The unfortunate reality is that for older players like myself, there is not a lot of things to get excited about anymore. This makes me a sad panda :(
I could not have come up with words better than this to describe the situation. perfectly said and thanks for the post Darth.
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Marcus Vorenius
Caldari Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.07.02 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 02/07/2011 18:45:37
Originally by: Atreus Venom Big Print Edition /snip
I keep changing my mind: support the CSM or not. The CSM has done a lot of good in the past and calling Trebor out is just plain wrong. Trebor worked his ass off during the "18-months debarcle" and many of the improvements we have seen since are a result of this work (BPC icons, rocket enhancement etc.).
Having said that, then I agree to the majority of the post - I don't "feel" that the CSM is representing me (more importantlty: newish players)
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Korbin Dallaz
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Posted - 2011.07.07 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Meeogi The truth is always simple...short..and blunt.
"statements that take days" usually mean word play, spin, and lies.
I challenge all of you to find more truth on in this entire forum than these words here.
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