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Raikov Vanskenski
Gallente Dreddit
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:17:00 -
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Whilst I am an avid fan of the Gallente design philosophy, I have recently been unable to find any evidence that suggests that they are viable in PvP warfare. I am currently a 100% Gallente pilot on a Covert Ops -> Recon -> Black Ops training path, but it seems like all of these ships are outclassed by their racial counterparts. This isn't even solely restricted to these ships, either. Almost everywhere I look, people recommend using one of the other racial variants for MANY of the ships in the game.
Am I overlooking something here?
Could someone please enlighten me to the pros of being a Gallente pilot for PvP - if there are any?
I understand that Gallente do PVE quite well due to their proficiency with drones, but I would like to hear from someone more experienced than I about what they can bring to the battlefield. Ever since the nano nerf a few years back (followed by the nos nerf), it appears that Gallente have lost their edge in my eyes.
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Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:18:00 -
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Anything but Gallente?
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Falbala
Gallente Ishtar's Destiny
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:20:00 -
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I remember SF winning a tournament battle with only Thorax.
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Nykky Syxx
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:21:00 -
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Erebus. Nyx.
get one of those, and you'll be a happy Gallente pilot.
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:22:00 -
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dominix is decent , cheap, highly versatile ship for short range gangs, but its slowness can be a downside.
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Puteri Leelyn
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:28:00 -
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Thoraxes can be awesome too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVeoAedPVSA&feature=player_embedded
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=10829901#involvedPilots
with 3 arbys in this case
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:39:00 -
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The Gallente ships I see most often in PVP are:
Taranis Ishkur Arazu/Lachesis Phobos Machariel (minmatar/gallente) Megathron
Moros Thanatos Nyx
From what I have seen, Gallente ships are quite popular for small gang type of stuff or in the capital ships.
The reason for Gallente not being popular in large blob warfare fleets is that most of them are either long range alpha, heavy resist armor, or missile spam. Gallente ships generally don't have good long range alpha strike, and have repair bonuses as opposed to resist bonuses. At the range these engagements usually happen, drones aren't used much. I have seen the Lachesis used a lot in engagements however.
The problem with Gallente in short range engagements is not necessarily blasters, but the fact that webs were nerfed, coupled with the slow movement speed of an armor tanked ship.
I have seen a lot of good PVPers that use Gallente ships so I don't believe they are terrible by any means. I think that the strategy to use them isn't as cut and dry as Minmatar or Amarr, so thats why people ignore them.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:40:00 -
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Taranis was a top solo ship until they came up with the Dramiel to make intercepters obsolete and fodder . It was too cheap to sell many plex with.. you'd need to lose like 16 instead of 2 to need to sell another plex if thats how you got your isk.
I was wondering why it was taking them so long to adjust the dramiel that they admitted needed a nerf... the finance guys had already started calling the game balance shots
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:48:00 -
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They do have good ships, don't believe what most people say about them.
Myrmidon is quite good, and often subestimated. Domi is great. Arazu is useful. Thorax has uses. Nemesis is not bad. I've seen quite a few Ishkurs, so i'm guessing they are not bad (never flew). Taranis.
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:50:00 -
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Hybrid guns are crap so only the drone ships are semi decent. Don't expect them to get fixed anytime soon either. CCP have admitted they won't be doing any gun balancing for a long time.
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Fore Khaos
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:54:00 -
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You get a weapon system that can't be ECM'd.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.02 05:59:00 -
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I'm partial to either a Thorax or Myrm.
Reasonably priced to buy and fit with good to excellent drone abilities. And you can put lasers on a Myrm for the surprise factor.
Mr Epeen
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Master Technique
Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Master Technique on 02/07/2011 06:04:39 I have flown mostly gallente for 4 years. I think the Brutix is still my favorite, and it was the 4th ship I pvp'd in. I think the ship I have had the least luck with is the Deimos. But really, any of them are viable, you just have to know which fights to take and which to pass on. I think the only pvp ships for Gallente I haven't flown in combat are the Eos, the Sin, the Kronos, the capitals, and the pirate faction BS. Really love the cruisers, all of their t2 variants (<3 Phobos), and all of the pirate cruisers (<3 Vigilant). The BC's are both awesome, as is the Astarte. I also really love flying the Domi, Mega, AND Hyperion. The Hype doesn't get nearly as much love these days, but that ship is a blast. I had a Proteus for a while as well, which is fun no matter what happens.
I think whatever Gallente ships lack in versatility, they certainly make up for in fun, due to the typical blaster boat strategy being charge at the bad guys with guns hot.
If you have your heart set on covops/recon/blackops path, certainly the Lachesis is very useful in gang warfare. Black ops look cool too if you have the numbers, but I have never personally flown them.
Best of luck!
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sorela Hybrid guns are crap so only the drone ships are semi decent. Don't expect them to get fixed anytime soon either. CCP have admitted they won't be doing any gun balancing for a long time.
ur a clueless muppet who obv doesn't fly gallente or doesn't have a clue
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Anna Maziarczyk
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Slurper I think that the strategy to use them isn't as cut and dry as Minmatar or Amarr, so thats why people ignore them.
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:07:00 -
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They don`t excel with anything else besides Nyx and Erebus.
Tackler recons are decent, T3 has covert gank option and taranis is not too horrible. Thanatos is swiss army carrier with bit of extra dps thrown in.
BS are gimped by :lolblasters: and :lolrails:, BC are overshadowed by minmatar and amarr options + everpresent drake and Ishtars are not exactly FoTM either on HAC front.
Gallente stealth bomber is worst by far and their BO BS is probably worst as well.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:20:00 -
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Myrmidon is a nice PVP boat.
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Myrmidon is a nice PVP boat.
Yes, with autocannons.
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The Pteradactyl
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:22:00 -
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Nano shield myrm w/ autocannons
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Razoq
Gallente Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:24:00 -
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A Thanatos so i can move my Amarr and Minmatar pvp ships around...
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:26:00 -
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I fly the hyperion and mega. Both ships are great fun in a BC roaming gang.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:30:00 -
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Tristan is okay Ishkur is arguably the best AF in the game Taranis is arguably the best Interceptor Vexor is fantastic Thorax is fantastic Myrmidon is fantastic and versatile Brutix is deadly Arazu and Lachesis are epic Nemesis is a great weapon Mega is epic
Don't listen to the guys who run down Gallente ships. There is a reason you see so many PvP pilots using them, and it damn sure isn't because they don't know what they are doing.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Gallente Haita de lupi ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.07.02 06:38:00 -
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And any time you look at the top 20 of ships or weapons...gallente/rails make up maybe 2 or 3 of each of those and no where near the top. "Mors certa, hora incerta." |
Bevil Smyth
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.02 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers
Don't listen to the guys who run down Gallente ships. There is a reason you see so many PvP pilots using them, and it damn sure isn't because they don't know what they are doing.
lol.
seriously though out on roams etc, i rarely see anything gallente at all other than the occasional myrm. Agreed that the recons are good though, and the ishkur for that matter.
As for all the others though, however good they are there are other ships which can provide the same functionality but more effectively on the battlefield than their gallente counterparts. is a real shame and i miss flying gal and feeling proud. ============================ 2003 and still alive! |
Andrew Maxwell
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Posted - 2011.07.02 07:46:00 -
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When a Gallente pilot loses a fight, it's usually for the same reason short people in cartoons do-someone has his hand on our forehead and won't let us get close enough to pound them.
Since blasters out DPS every other weapon type in the game, combined with the largest drone bays, you can typically win in a slugfest with anyone in optimal range if your fit is decent. Again, range is the entire issue here.
For this reason, Gallente ships do excel in pvp in small gangs. One of my very favorites is the Megathron, perhaps the scariest small gang ship there is. With the tracking bonus, you're not only going to be doing roughly 1100dps, but you can comfortably put that DPS on smaller targets (not to mention having a BS sized neut on top of it all). Not to mention there's no better battleship killer than an active tank blaster Hyperion, IMHO (don't forget the cap boosters!). If you are tackled in range of a properly fit Hyperion, I don't care what battleship you're flying, you'll be lucky to get out alive. Neut domis are also a hard problem to deal with at any size.
Finally, for the BC and below, the name of the game is drones. Myrms can solo as well as any battlecruiser (don't let those hurricane or drake pilots tell you otherwise, I've flown both). DPS drones are nice, but Gallente ships very often have enough leftover space for a batch of EC-300s, which are extremely fast and jam a lot more often than you'd expect. I can't tell you how many times I've made narrow escapes in Ishkurs or Myrms by deploying my EC drones and running. The main problem to expect at these levels is ships that are too fast and out of range, as rails are basically useless. A Cynabal can be a real problem for a lot of boats-this is another excellent reason to have those ec-300s, which will allow you to cut and run in these scenarios. Again, even here, they do much better in small groups where you can serve as the big angry hammer for the gang. It's better to buff or passive shield at this size than active tank.
As for the BEST-I think the Vindicator has to be considered and hasn't been mentioned. The webbing bonus means that with 1 (or 2, as I would fit) webs will bring even interceptors down to a crawl-not to mention you already get a 37.5% tracking bonus with the ship. Combine this range control with the fact that the Vindicator does more DPS than any subcapital ship I'm aware of (roughly 1700DPS on my fit, no overload), I'm hard pressed to think of a scarier ship to be within 14k of.
The trick with all Gallente blaster boats is to avoid being kited. This means you need to get in web or maybe scram range somehow, or have a member of your gang tackle the opponent. Believe me, when your gang has just started the engagement and the enemy primary is tackled, and your blaster boat warps into the field-nobody is going to be *****ing about how "underpowered" Gallente are.
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Bevil Smyth
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.02 07:56:00 -
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What you say is largely true, but it also highlights the currrent weakness of gal ships its not their raw dps no one will dispute that, its the dependancy on other ships / limited viable situations in order to use it effectively.
gallente boats are good surprise dps support once your other fleet members have engaged the enemy and got them tackled and in for the fight, then warp in to the close friendlies from an offgrid at 0 for maximum effect.
also coupled with the fact that you will be late to the party on any engagement, especially with many gates being larger these days i would ruddy hope the higher dps could make up for it, i also wouldnt have to expect to fly a pricey pirate class bs to have to compete with other races.
1700 dps still makes me moist though ============================ 2003 and still alive! |
MisterN
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Posted - 2011.07.02 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: MisterN on 02/07/2011 08:12:35
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.02 08:21:00 -
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Pretty much the drone platforms. Ishkur, Vexor, Myrmidon, Dominix are your staples. Mega's pretty good for docking games since they can kick out some sick dps if you can get someone in range and webbed down, Vexor's run neck and neck with the Rupture for best T1 cruiser IMO.
Drones work pretty damned well in close in PVP for most part people ignore them and you can assign them to others which makes a drone boat effectively immune to ECM. In fact I got a laugh last night when someone suck their ecm drones on my Vexor after my drones were already on him.
That said drones are a long train path with an oddball attribute requirement so other races are a much quicker to get well skilled for.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.07.02 08:23:00 -
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Hey mr OP, go troll reddit forums instead. -
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Seraph IX Basarab
Gallente Haita de lupi ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.07.02 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Andrew Maxwell When a Gallente pilot loses a fight, it's usually for the same reason short people in cartoons do-someone has his hand on our forehead and won't let us get close enough to pound them.
Since blasters out DPS every other weapon type in the game, combined with the largest drone bays, you can typically win in a slugfest with anyone in optimal range if your fit is decent. Again, range is the entire issue here.
For this reason, Gallente ships do excel in pvp in small gangs. One of my very favorites is the Megathron, perhaps the scariest small gang ship there is. With the tracking bonus, you're not only going to be doing roughly 1100dps, but you can comfortably put that DPS on smaller targets (not to mention having a BS sized neut on top of it all). Not to mention there's no better battleship killer than an active tank blaster Hyperion, IMHO (don't forget the cap boosters!). If you are tackled in range of a properly fit Hyperion, I don't care what battleship you're flying, you'll be lucky to get out alive. Neut domis are also a hard problem to deal with at any size.
Finally, for the BC and below, the name of the game is drones. Myrms can solo as well as any battlecruiser (don't let those hurricane or drake pilots tell you otherwise, I've flown both). DPS drones are nice, but Gallente ships very often have enough leftover space for a batch of EC-300s, which are extremely fast and jam a lot more often than you'd expect. I can't tell you how many times I've made narrow escapes in Ishkurs or Myrms by deploying my EC drones and running. The main problem to expect at these levels is ships that are too fast and out of range, as rails are basically useless. A Cynabal can be a real problem for a lot of boats-this is another excellent reason to have those ec-300s, which will allow you to cut and run in these scenarios. Again, even here, they do much better in small groups where you can serve as the big angry hammer for the gang. It's better to buff or passive shield at this size than active tank.
As for the BEST-I think the Vindicator has to be considered and hasn't been mentioned. The webbing bonus means that with 1 (or 2, as I would fit) webs will bring even interceptors down to a crawl-not to mention you already get a 37.5% tracking bonus with the ship. Combine this range control with the fact that the Vindicator does more DPS than any subcapital ship I'm aware of (roughly 1700DPS on my fit, no overload), I'm hard pressed to think of a scarier ship to be within 14k of.
The trick with all Gallente blaster boats is to avoid being kited. This means you need to get in web or maybe scram range somehow, or have a member of your gang tackle the opponent. Believe me, when your gang has just started the engagement and the enemy primary is tackled, and your blaster boat warps into the field-nobody is going to be *****ing about how "underpowered" Gallente are.
All this may be true but I think a major issue is that Gallente ships can not get into range to use the blasters because gallente ships are armor tanks generally. They should have some ships with shield bonus, sort of a midway point between Caldari and Amarr.
Also none of this explains what often seems to be the over all suckyness of rail guns.
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