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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:07:00 -
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So I just had an idea for an EvE service, wanted to know what yall thought:
Killboard Padding
The premise is that I will work with a player, for expenses + fees, to pad their killboard stats dramatically and in a way that isn't obvious. Now, the question you might have is, why do you need someone else to do this? Why not just do it with a second account/alts, or buddies?
-I would be able to provide a larger variety of player names to be killed, so that it wouldn't be obvious that the killmails came from this service. Biomassing alts repeatedly to kill them doesn't allow them to be shipped up in good ships to make the killmails look better.
-I would be able to provide people who are well known in game to be killed. They, of course, would be compensated and pricing for the service would have to do with notoriety and humiliation factor (loosing a Vagabond to a Rupture for instance)
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There are 2 target markets:
1) People who are willing to pay money to look better because they suck, basically trouser stuffers.
2) People who are wanting to build rep on a spy alt to help them get into a PvP alliance.
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So, what do yall think?
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:13:00 -
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I think its an interesting idea for a service but it has a significant problem in my eyes:
For the customers to hear about it, you will need a certain amount of publicity which means that.. a lot of people will know about it. With a service like this, the less people knowing about it, the better, but then, no customers!
The other problem is that in order to offer well known people you would need a list of well known people willing to be killed which means anyone that wanted to know which killmails are likely to be fake would have to do is ask for your list of well known people and the fees to kill them.
This would also devaluate the service and the names of the padders quickly, I would think, since killmails are badges of honor of sorts.
The final question would be cost, since for this not to be obvious you would need fitted ships, which depending on the ship, arent that cheap, and in quantity. How much of a cut are you expecting to make?
Those would be the problems that jump at me.
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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 03/07/2011 18:16:51 The cost of ships is an issue I guess, but there are a lot of ships that are sub 50 mil to fit.
Discretion would be penultimate though. That's probably the #1 issue to face.
Edit: I'm guessing that my interactions with named players would be one-off things, not repeat business. But....I dunno, that would be hard to figure out......
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OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:58:00 -
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I would like to think that this would be too lame a way to get the killmails, but let's be honest, this is EVE.
That being said, I think it has potential, but as has been brought up already, there are a lot of people you COULDN'T pay to get lolkilled, and it would be very easy for word to get out and ruin the gig.
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.07.03 19:39:00 -
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I want to see a faction bs get killed by a velator.
That said, I have a question: would these alteys be hired people or your own? In the first case, how much would you pay to these people? In the case of latter, how much time are you planning to spend on training an alt? Would these alts have multiple toons or each only one to save time?
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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2011.07.03 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 03/07/2011 22:30:08 They would be hired people for the most part, who would be paid something like 70-80% of the fee.
The general pricing would be something like:
Lolaltscrub kill - 2-4 mil per kill
Established character kill - 20-60 mil per kill
Humiliation kill (for established character) - 100 mil
Big name kill - 500+ mil.
Big name humiliation - I have no idea.
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More than likely we are dealing in a package here, where they come to me and tell me their goals, how much they are willing to spend, and I put together a plan for them. You can't just do it in one day, it has to be over the course of ~1 month or so. Or it could be a couple big kills or one epic fight. Minimum price would probably be ~500 mil or so.
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Also, it doesn't have to be solo kills, it could be padding for multiple players. Say you have like 4 guys that want a dozen some-odd killmails, and they can show up on them together. Or it could be for a corp as a whole to improve their efficiency. Merc corps could use this to help polish the turd that is their record.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.03 23:08:00 -
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Not my intent to belittle your idea, just something to keep in mind.
Kill mails are just text, anyone can craft one and drop it on some kill board. That said, someone who is going to hire someone else to help them 'lie', probably hasn't let this little fact go unnoticed.
Unless there is something "secure" about KMs I am missing?
Sandbox Protection League
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Candy Oshea
Amarr Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.07.03 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy Unless there is something "secure" about KMs I am missing?
Pretty sure Killboards are API verified these days.
To help with your idea, what is your target audience? Are you aiming this service at players trying to get into alliances for e.g.?
Once you figure out who your audience is going to be, it should make things a bit easier to determine the viability of your idea.
Also, killing the same character over & over or did you plan to use many accounts?
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.03 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Candy Oshea
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Unless there is something "secure" about KMs I am missing?
Pretty sure Killboards are API verified these days.
Hrm ok
Sandbox Protection League
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Lost Flower
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tehg Rhind Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 03/07/2011 22:30:08
The general pricing would be something like:
Lolaltscrub pop - 2-4 mil per pop
Established character pop - 20-60 mil per pop
Humiliation pop (for established character) - 100 pop
Big name pop - 500+ mil.
Big name humiliation - I have no idea.
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More than likely we are dealing in a package here, where they come to me and tell me their goals, how much they are willing to spend, and I put together a plan for them.
Edit:
Also, it doesn't have to be solo pops, it could be popping for multiple players. Say you have like 4 guys that want a dozen some-odd popmails, and they can show up on them together. Or it could be for a corp as a whole to improve their efficiency. Merc corps could use this to help polish the turd that is their record.
Man.. after reading this, it just sounds like you are selling sex.
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Callean Drevus
Caldari Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2011.07.04 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Candy Oshea
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Unless there is something "secure" about KMs I am missing?
Pretty sure Killboards are API verified these days.
Hrm ok
That doesn't mean however, that 'API Verified' cannot be completely faked.
Does this mean there is a market for killboards where you can enter your own kills? ^^ "A fool flatters himself, a wise man flatters the fool."
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.07.04 13:44:00 -
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strange idea, but well at least it's original...
Originally by: Tehg Rhind Lolaltscrub kill - 2-4 mil per kill
so the guy need to loss a ship, his time, and his e-honor for 2-4M ? he's gonna fly tech1 frigate with tech1 mods ?
i think you'll need to review a lot your pricing...
also, there's something you forgot : you want to help spies, bu you never though that some people would be spying you ?
quick example : someone contact you for biz, you get someone to do the loser, the customer want to use a shiny ship for the kill. loser is in fact a spy and kill your customer and his shiny ship. you're ****ed.
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Angsty Teenager
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Posted - 2011.07.04 17:13:00 -
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I offer to be killed over 9000 times.
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Danari
Invictus Australis Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 20:30:00 -
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Definitely not feasible. To be credible, you'll need a couple hundred kills, and it's definitely faster to just join a craptastic pvp group and get them in a couple months than to try to organise them.
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