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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 05/07/2011 10:56:49 It just dawned on me what CCP actually did with Incarna. Walking in stations and Captains Quarters mean the end of identifying with the player's spaceship.
Before Incarna we our capsuleer self was nothing more than a picture in the top left of the screen that most veteran players just turned off to save space.
The ship was you. No matter which ship you were flying, YOU were the ship. No matter if you switched ships now and then, whatever ship you were in - T1 Frig or Black Ops Battleship, you identified with the ship, it was your body, its sensors your eyes, its weapon systems your hands and its microwarpdrive your legs.
But now, whenever we dock up in a station we get reminded that the ship is nothing more than a ship. We are forced to dress in whatever kinds of clothes and we are forced to stare at our more or less human selves.
If you were an immortal being given the power to control millions of tons of steel flying faster than light, able to travel the whole galaxy and explore the universe while shooting beams and missiles that can devastate cities - would you still care about what color your pants are?
Shame on you CCP for forgetting what EVE was about.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.05 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 05/07/2011 10:56:33 That's weird, because all of my friends would rant about not having an "actual" character, aside from other things about EVE that are simply unattractive to your average Joe.
I also find it quite strange that you would identify with a piece of steel. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Marcellus Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 05/07/2011 10:56:33 That's weird, because all of my friends would rant about not having an "actual" character
I cannot help your friends lack of character nor their lack of imagination.
For me a papertank Hurricane with nothing but DPS and neuts to wear your enemies down is quite a character.
Same goes for a Proteus, armor buffertanked, only blasters and hammerheads to kill ****, needing to either get close to scram and web or dying a slow death while its armor is torn off piece by piece.
If your friends fail to see the character in all these ships and how fitting them to your liking makes them as special as the way you fly them, they should really play another game. Or actually... now they can stick with Incarna.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Dante Marcellus
If your friends fail to see the character in all these ships and how fitting them to your liking makes them as special as the way you fly them, they should really play another game. Or actually... now they can stick with Incarna.
Well, of course fitting a ship to my liking gives me that little "special" feeling one might have with, say, a computer they built themselves, but like ships in EVE, when my computer dies, I simply build another one. No hard feelings and no emotional connection involved. :P And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Marcellus No hard feelings and no emotional connection involved. :P
I get that. You're the new type of player that EVE caters to.
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Saul Khaladran
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Saul Khaladran on 05/07/2011 11:06:44
Originally by: Dante Marcellus Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 05/07/2011 11:01:12
That's weird, because all of my friends would rant about not having an "actual" character, aside from other things about EVE that are simply unattractive to your average Joe.
I also find it quite strange that you would identify with a piece of steel.
I mean, to put it in a bit of a different perspective... I didn't watch 2001 Space Odyssey because I found it easy to identify with a cold, computer killing machine.
I didn't watch Event Horizon because I, being the large, scientific marvel of machinery that I am, felt a great amount of connection to the Event Horizon.
And I don't play EVE to "be" a ship. I play EVE because I am a human being that likes to pretend to be in Space.
That pretty much sums up my views on this also. It's early days with Incarna. Im looking forward more to what it will be than what it is. But I think what we have is a good start.
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Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Dante Marcellus No hard feelings and no emotional connection involved. :P
I get that. You're the new type of player that EVE caters to.
no, you're just very strange.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:08:00 -
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That's a lot of words to say, the immersion ends when you are forced to disembark every time you dock.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 05/07/2011 11:09:13 Speaking for myself I was always the pod. A ship you never like to lose, being podded made it personal. I always enjoyed my own portrait to and put alot of effort into making my current character look (at least a little) like my old one.
Thats why I always enjoyed collecting corpses of those I had slain. I prefer to pod then to kill a ship just because that made it "final".
I was very proud that I lasted a good while at launch before I lost my pod. That is why I was so upset that they removed the "pod room" and replaced it with a railingless iron grate. So there is some hope that it will find a place into our CQ's.
I did notice though that in the videoscreen on CQ the "pod room" is still shown during certain sequences. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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AligatorVer1337
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:08:00 -
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I'm Optimus Prime and don't know what this thread is about.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:08:00 -
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There once was this game about spaceships.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Dante Marcellus No hard feelings and no emotional connection involved. :P
I get that. You're the new type of player that EVE caters to.
New, as in a year and a half ago? And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Alissa Solette
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:12:00 -
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Solution for your problem: press ESC -> change to the graphics settings -> untick "Load Station environments" -> whine on forum for the next few years until CCP accepts that nobody wants their **** dress doll crap feature and agrees to leave that option in for ever.
That should allow you to continue identifying with your ship and not some cheap dress doll used as an excuse to sell overpriced crap monocles so Mr. CITIBANK can keep on wasting money on his 1000$ pants.
No, I'm not bitter.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:12:00 -
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I have never associated myself with my ship, no matter how expensive or difficult to obtain it was to me. Maybe because of the rate I go through them. A ship is just a tool used to accomplish a goal, and that tool will break after some time of using it. In fact, I don't value my ships any more than the ammo in my guns.
I thought Ambulation would give me *something* to associate other players with, other than a small face and a voice on Teamspeak. Unfortunately Incarna didn't do that for me, as even though I have an avatar now, I can not interact in any way with the avatars of my fellow corpmates - or even see them.
However, I think that in the long term, especially as Ambulation is fully released, people like the OP might associate with their avatars more than with their ships, and so might be willing to risk and lose their ships more often. I see that as a good thing. EVE was never meant to be a "my ship is everything" game, and unfortunately some people don't understand it. ---
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Louis Elisius
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:13:00 -
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Well, i see the point that the character is not a representation of your "class" since all the characters can do the same (nothing), while the ship somebody is in is an actual representation of the skillset, like somebody piloting a druid or a priest would have!
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Louis Elisius Well, i see the point that the character is not a representation of your "class" since all the characters can do the same (nothing), while the ship somebody is in is an actual representation of the skillset, like somebody piloting a druid or a priest would have!
I wouldn't really compare it to that. Anyone several weeks into the game can already fly a few different ships, someone a year or more old can probably fly a dozen different classes. I switch ships according to whatever is needed at the time.
Perhaps you could compare different ships to different outfits or different weapons in a classical fantasy RPG (bow, sword, staff...) ---
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash EVE was never meant to be a "my ship is everything" game, and unfortunately some people don't understand it.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 05/07/2011 11:23:45
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash EVE was never meant to be a "my ship is everything" game, and unfortunately some people don't understand it.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Wasn't there a point in time that CCP mentioned that EVE was to be a Space simulator? The ultimate Scifi experience?
I see a lot of people giving the "internet spaceships" argument, but I've never seen the game touted as such, anywhere.
To me, EVE is about Space. The ships are part of it, but so are the stations, the anomalies, the wormholes, the little eastereggs you find every so often, the planets, the belts and the bits and pieces of a far away undiscovered Universe that you cannot touch.
edit: Also, this: http://youtu.be/gRyXDlZKwgA
(funny it's an xbox showing though, lol) And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash EVE was never meant to be a "my ship is everything" game, and unfortunately some people don't understand it.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
CCP has repeatedly stated that their goal with EVE is to create the ultimate sci-fi game world. Science Fiction is *so* much more than just spaceships.
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Louis Elisius
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:21:00 -
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Thats...., marvelous
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 05/07/2011 11:25:55
Originally by: Akirei Scytale CCP has repeatedly stated that their goal with EVE is to create the ultimate sci-fi game world. Science Fiction is *so* much more than just spaceships.
Well that's all fine and dandy but they utterly failed with that if they didn't keep in mind that in the future bodies and clothes might not really matter.
Their goal might be an icelandic sci-fi game world but not the ultimate one. Every futurologist would **** his or her pants in disgust at CCPs vision (Incarna) of how the future might look like.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 05/07/2011 11:29:37
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 05/07/2011 11:25:55
Originally by: Akirei Scytale CCP has repeatedly stated that their goal with EVE is to create the ultimate sci-fi game world. Science Fiction is *so* much more than just spaceships.
Well that's all fine and dandy but they utterly failed with that if they didn't keep in mind that in the future bodies and clothes might not really matter.
Their goal might be an icelandic sci-fi game world but not the ultimate one. Every futurologist would **** his or her pants in disgust at CCPs vision (Incarna) of how the future might look like.
But you seem to forget that the civilizations we play as were once marooned here in New Eden, after being cut off from our original place of origin.
We literally rebuilt and formed what we are today, from almost nothing.
So, basically, regular humans travel through a WH in Space, begin to setup systems of control and then lose all contact and any means of scientific advancement.
No, we are not machines, we are a civilization frozen in time. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:32:00 -
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Sure, frozen in time.
I said what I wanted to say. Thanks for reading everyone.
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Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 05/07/2011 11:25:55
Originally by: Akirei Scytale CCP has repeatedly stated that their goal with EVE is to create the ultimate sci-fi game world. Science Fiction is *so* much more than just spaceships.
Well that's all fine and dandy but they utterly failed with that if they didn't keep in mind that in the future bodies and clothes might not really matter.
Their goal might be an icelandic sci-fi game world but not the ultimate one. Every futurologist would **** his or her pants in disgust at CCPs vision (Incarna) of how the future might look like.
If there's one thing history should teach you, its that "futurologists" are consistently dead wrong to such a degree it is generally hilarious to look back at what people projected not ten years ago.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:39:00 -
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I probably came off real nerdy here, didn't I?
Shirt. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:40:00 -
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A spaceship commander, just coming from a mission where he lost control over a solar system while his fleet was annihilated, what do you think he would do after his ship docked in station?
Right. Make sure his shirt and pants are all neat and tidy so he can check what's on TV.
Makes utter sense.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akirei Scytale
If there's one thing history should teach you, its that "futurologists" are consistently dead wrong to such a degree it is generally hilarious to look back at what people projected not ten years ago.
Just because in the future Levis may still be making jeans, does not mean in a SiFi Game, I want to be wearing Gap/Old Navy outfits.
I want real SiFi clothes, just look at what our old avatars had as choices....!
--- Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum I can tell you that this is one of the moments when we look at what those at CCP will do and less of what they say. |
Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh A spaceship commander, just coming from a mission where he lost control over a solar system while his fleet was annihilated, what do you think he would do after his ship docked in station?
Right. Make sure his shirt and pants are all neat and tidy so he can check what's on TV.
Makes utter sense.
Well, I don't believe that everyone would walk around stark naked. (since you're entirely nude inside of your POD) And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:47:00 -
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Maybe they will rename the Pod as "Escape Capsule" then promptly remove all that historical context as well, then come up with new excuses as to why Serpentis rats etc all demonstrate terrible skill and never use drones.
Who would have thought a game about sparkly day walking vampires with serious daddy issues and fabulous wardrobes would have gutted the heart out of a blood thirsty game of space faring arrogant immortal corporate activists?
I totally didn't see it coming, yet here it is. I only hope Dusters and World of Twilighters don't get too attached to their games.
Let them learn the lesson of 1000 Eve Tattoos.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Marcellus
Well, I don't believe that everyone would walk around stark naked. (since you're entirely nude inside of your POD)
You've just commanded hundreds of other capsuleers who each have hundreds or thousands of people aboard their battleships.
EVERYONE KNEW YOU WERE NAKED WHILE DOING ALL OF THIS.
NOW WHY THE HELL SHOULD YOUR PANTS MATTER TO YOU WHEN YOU'RE ALL ALONE IN YOUR ****TY MINMATAR BUNK?
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