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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 09:44:55 Here's an incomplete list of CCPs atrocious failures of the last few months. I thought it might be useful for anyone who doesn't know why the community is so upset (newer players and journalists).
1. Demanding 99$ a year from developers for a service they provide for free. 2. Breaking turret icons which were perfectly fine before. 3. Releasing the NEX Store with 7 Items after working on it for 6 years. 4. Selling virtual monocles for the new currency AUR in this store for a value of 80 US Dollar - effectively costing more than a Dreadnaught 5. Believing that customers are so dense that they don't notice that CCP only introduced this new currency to cover up the idiocy that a monocle is worth more than a giant spaceship. 6. Releasing Incarna without checking if it might melt graphic cards (which it does). 7. Breaking Ship bonuses, one of the most important features of EVE. Not fixing it weeks after the expansion has gone live. 8. Leaking an internal email from their CEO which states that players voiced opinions don't matter. 9. Leaking an internal newsletter which states that CCP sees players as golden geese. 10. Referring to that newsletter in the CEO email and saying that it shows which intentions CCP has for EVE in the future. Quote: We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews ...
11. Lying about that later on in public. Quote: We accept CCP's position that Fearless is a deliberately controversial internal publication and does not represent the policy of CCP Management
12. Holding a press conference with the representatives of the player base where the chairman of said group of representatives gives everyone voicing their opinions anywhere the forums the finger ... after implying that this whole situation could be averted had CCP done a better job at communication with the playerbase.
Originally by: Alex Gianturco - ôThe Mittaniö I spend a lot of time on Failheap Challenge, which is a forum for primarily the most bitter of that long tail of bitter players. I donÆt really give a sh*t what they say. In fact, if you look at any of my posts in dealing with them, I actively go out of my way to antagonize them because IÆm a cruel person and I enjoy making people like that angry, and from a political perspective itÆs also good to marginalize them.
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:41:00 -
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Garrrrr!
WE WANT CHILLI WILLI!
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Tiven loves Tansien
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:41:00 -
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Nice thread
bump
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Vain Eldritch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:42:00 -
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All I heard was "Yarrrrrhh". ______________________________
Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:44:00 -
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You mean, why You are upset, and why a very small minority in the community are "upset"?
That same minority which is by and large still playing, just whining on the forums looking for attention?
Sorry, I guess I should say I'm a CCP alt, and a part-time Alien Gray diplomatic envoy that works with the CIA and NSA in combating dissent in video game forums.
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Zoroa Aulx-Gao
Koa Mai Hoku Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:46:00 -
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A lot of your points are rather invalid.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Syphon Lodian You mean, why You are upset, and why a very small minority in the community are "upset"?
That same minority which is by and large still playing, just whining on the forums looking for attention?
Sorry, I guess I should say I'm a CCP alt, and a part-time Alien Gray diplomatic envoy that works with the CIA and NSA in combating dissent in video game forums.
Thousands of unsubscribed accounts mean that that I'm not talking for a small minority. A minority, maybe. But it's definitely not small.
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ZyferDK
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:54:00 -
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wow alot of what is written there is utter s*** i mean srsly, lots of it is already outdated.
Now to the fact about people, what they are really mad about is nothing, they whine to whine, everything now in EvE is just fine as long as you can disable CQ but they could improve that, ive only seen 2 bugs in eve, crashes and the warp bubble not being there.
turret icons are better now, and id love them to stay that way or be improved.
F*** ship spinning find another hobby or press fitting and spin ur ship.
Nex store is ppl's choice to buy stuff this is not giving anyone an advantage so stop being pointless
*3 Have you not read the forums? with all the kiddies finally home screaming and crying i am actually surprised CCP could roll out the nex store so soon.
*4 it is ur choice to buy it, problem??
*5 ur just throwing it words now, you can just say that is what they are doing without any proof -.-
*6 not really, get a better cooler, and if you have the side of your pc off then i will have to say that you need to stop sitting by the computer.
*7 hmm what?
i do agree on *8 *9 *10
11/12 tl;dr
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Vain Eldritch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.07.06 09:59:00 -
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Personally, I don't give a flying monkey's fig for the highly vocal minority because I believe their position on this to be misguided and fallacious.
CCP have recognised their failure to achieve an acceptable level of communication with the player base in this matter. In turn I recognise that Eve needs to evolve - avatars to micro transactions and everything in between and beyond.
However, while I may not agree with what you say I shall defend to my death your right to say it.
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Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Syphon Lodian You mean, why You are upset, and why a very small minority in the community are "upset"?
That same minority which is by and large still playing, just whining on the forums looking for attention?
Sorry, I guess I should say I'm a CCP alt, and a part-time Alien Gray diplomatic envoy that works with the CIA and NSA in combating dissent in video game forums.
Thousands of unsubscribed accounts mean that that I'm not talking for a small minority. A minority, maybe. But it's definitely not small.
expect to get your balls trolled of by throw away ALTS & Fanbois. Enjoy
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Claire Gally
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 09:44:55 Here's an incomplete list of CCPs atrocious failures of the last few months. I thought it might be useful for anyone who doesn't know why the community is so upset (newer players and journalists).
1. Demanding 99$ a year from developers for a service they provide for free. 2. Breaking turret icons which were perfectly fine before. 3. Releasing the NEX Store with 7 Items after working on it for 6 years. 4. Selling virtual monocles for the new currency AUR in this store for a value of 80 US Dollar - effectively costing more than a Dreadnaught 5. Believing that customers are so dense that they don't notice that CCP only introduced this new currency to cover up the idiocy that a monocle is worth more than a giant spaceship. 6. Releasing Incarna without checking if it might melt graphic cards (which it does). 7. Breaking Ship bonuses, one of the most important features of EVE. Not fixing it weeks after the expansion has gone live. 8. Leaking an internal email from their CEO which states that players voiced opinions don't matter. 9. Leaking an internal newsletter which states that CCP sees players as golden geese. 10. Referring to that newsletter in the CEO email and saying that it shows which intentions CCP has for EVE in the future. Quote: We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews ...
11. Lying about that later on in public. Quote: We accept CCP's position that Fearless is a deliberately controversial internal publication and does not represent the policy of CCP Management
12. Holding a press conference with the representatives of the player base where the chairman of said group of representatives gives everyone voicing their opinions anywhere the forums the finger ... after implying that this whole situation could be averted had CCP done a better job at communication with the playerbase.
Originally by: Alex Gianturco - ôThe Mittaniö I spend a lot of time on Failheap Challenge, which is a forum for primarily the most bitter of that long tail of bitter players. I donÆt really give a sh*t what they say. In fact, if you look at any of my posts in dealing with them, I actively go out of my way to antagonize them because IÆm a cruel person and I enjoy making people like that angry, and from a political perspective itÆs also good to marginalize them.
I seriously hope journalists dont take that list, most of it is totally irrelevant.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Important Person Garrrrr!
WE WANT CHILLI WILLI!
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 10:13:54
Originally by: Claire Gally
I seriously hope journalists dont take that list, most of it is totally irrelevant.
You could help them by pointing out which part of it actually is irrelevant. And then explaining why. I'm not pretending to be unbiased. I'm just trying to help.
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:42:00 -
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I'm not upset - I think it's entertaining that people with monocles are getting ganked in high sec!
At last we have a moral crusade that most people can agree with.
I'm looking forward to playing mini-games with people in space stations.
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Nakito Yakiya
Caldari Yamagata Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I seriously hope journalists dont take that list, most of it is totally irrelevant.
You could help them by pointing out which part of it actually is irrelevant. And then explaining why. I'm not pretending to be unbiased. I'm just trying to help.
I wouldn't expect any logic from the fanboys.
Yamagata Syndicate recruiting! Caldari FW, PvP, PvE. |
Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:46:00 -
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This is soooooo last week.....
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nakito Yakiya
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I seriously hope journalists dont take that list, most of it is totally irrelevant.
You could help them by pointing out which part of it actually is irrelevant. And then explaining why. I'm not pretending to be unbiased. I'm just trying to help.
I wouldn't expect any logic from the fanboys.
Hello drama-queen.
The monocle is expensive but entirely optional. No ingame bonus other then a +10 effectiveness to trolling rage-whiners.
Gold ammo was never planned, will never come. That was only the opinion of single CCP employee.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Spring Heeled Jim
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Posted - 2011.07.06 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 10:33:51 7. Breaking Ship bonuses, one of the most important features of EVE. Not fixing it weeks after the expansion has gone live.
That would be 2 weeks then. You make it sound longer in your very biased and opinionated thread.
Yes, CCP has ****ed up big time - but this is just going backwards!
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Evil piemaker
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:00:00 -
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If people never let this rest, you will sooner rather than later look like the morons you are. Stop it already - the only result you will achieve at this stage is scaring off everyone else from this section leaving it the virtual equivalent of a RL sandbox with suitably aged inhabitants.
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Nakito Yakiya
Caldari Yamagata Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Hello drama-queen.
The monocle is expensive but entirely optional. No ingame bonus other then a +10 effectiveness to trolling rage-whiners.
Gold ammo was never planned, will never come. That was only the opinion of single CCP employee.
That's only 2 of the issues.
You failed to mention new features being implemented while previous features lay broke or unchanged since version 1. Or most resources being on DUST and WOD while we wait years for features to be fixed and we are the ones paying for it!
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:06:00 -
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What makes you think this is worth *another* thread?
Someone reading the forums does already know about the *f*ckstorm* - even newbies and journalists. Someone NOT reading the forums will also not read your summit, which is quite correct.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:06:00 -
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To counter a couple of points...
1. Most developers including Apple, Microsoft and Google charge $99 per year for their developer programs so I can see where CCP got this figure from. For me it wasn't so much the cost but how they communicated it.
2. Turret Icons are better now but this is down to personal choice.
3. Yes they could of released more lower priced items in the Nex but nothing to really get worked up about.
4. The cost of a Monocle was actually a fantastic move.
Let me explain a little. Every MT Store in every game always has a exclusive high priced item. Now they have released the monocles for $80 and people BROUGHT them. After a while sales will dwindle to nothing as everybody who is prepared to pay that price already has. Once this happens the price will fall and a New Highly Priced Item will appear and so on and so forth.
5. Just repeating yourself.
6. yes there was a performance hit but they had already stated this in a previous blog. As for melting GPU this just shows your lack of knowledge. Software can not destroy hardware. Even if Incarna made your GPU run at 100% this would only damage it if you had poor cooling.
7. There is a work around, use it
8. Actions matter, not opinions, this is a fact of life, get used to it.
9. The newsletter was just that, a newsletter. I have worked for many companies that have regular news letters/focus meetings were they play devils advocate to provoke discussion.
10. No it didn't. You can not just pick and chose sentences which makes your case looks stronger. Any sentence by itself can be taken out of context.
11. How is that lying.. Just because you chose not believe does not make it true.
12. The CSM speaks for the community of Eve because it was voted for by the community. If you are not happy then next time put yourself up for election.
Actions matter not words :)
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M14D
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:07:00 -
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Are you seriously bringing this up again? Are you completely ******ed? Go back to your kindergarten.
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Tiven loves Tansien
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Prince Kobol To counter a couple of points...
1. Most developers including Apple, Microsoft and Google charge $99 per year for their developer programs so I can see where CCP got this figure from. For me it wasn't so much the cost but how they communicated it.
2. Turret Icons are better now but this is down to personal choice.
3. Yes they could of released more lower priced items in the Nex but nothing to really get worked up about.
4. The cost of a Monocle was actually a fantastic move.
Let me explain a little. Every MT Store in every game always has a exclusive high priced item. Now they have released the monocles for $80 and people BROUGHT them. After a while sales will dwindle to nothing as everybody who is prepared to pay that price already has. Once this happens the price will fall and a New Highly Priced Item will appear and so on and so forth.
5. Just repeating yourself.
6. yes there was a performance hit but they had already stated this in a previous blog. As for melting GPU this just shows your lack of knowledge. Software can not destroy hardware. Even if Incarna made your GPU run at 100% this would only damage it if you had poor cooling.
7. There is a work around, use it
8. Actions matter, not opinions, this is a fact of life, get used to it.
9. The newsletter was just that, a newsletter. I have worked for many companies that have regular news letters/focus meetings were they play devils advocate to provoke discussion.
10. No it didn't. You can not just pick and chose sentences which makes your case looks stronger. Any sentence by itself can be taken out of context.
11. How is that lying.. Just because you chose not believe does not make it true.
12. The CSM speaks for the community of Eve because it was voted for by the community. If you are not happy then next time put yourself up for election.
Actions matter not words :)
I'm sorry but i just can't take you serious when you posted something like ( 7 )
You are terrible and an idiot.
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Gareth Angel
Gallente Eve Space Exploration Guild
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:10:00 -
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Alt & fanboi here (I guess; folks like San & Nakito probably know best - lol).
Wow, you seem to have some difficulties to pick up your life, don't you? The 2% of the community that still seems to be upset should have quit playing somewhere last week, I guess. But you're still here?
Says it all, doesn't it?
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Just Another Toon
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao A lot of your points are rather invalid.
Err no they are not
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Tiven loves Tansien
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Just Another Toon
Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao A lot of your points are rather invalid.
Err no they are not
+1 brother
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:19:00 -
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1. Means we will soon see cool blackberry and iphone apps and many more things with the developers being able to charge a modest fee for them. Not a new thing been happening for 9 years with Ultima Online and UOAssist. "CCP also allows non-commercial apps and services" 2. They didn't break them and I'm sure they will be upgraded. 3. 6 years development on NEX? Honestly? 4. Vanity item is expensive. Targeted demographic buys them. 5. Blahblah. 6. CCP can't be responsible for faulty drivers,hardware and lack of maintenance. If your graphics card and cpu can't run at 100% then something is wrong. Many stress testing programs available for troubleshooting. 7. I'm quite sure they're working on it. Welcome to patching. 8. Yes CCP leaked it on purpose. Bad CCP! 9. ^ 10. Assuming that they're future intention revolves solely around that single issue of Fearless. 11. Assuming that everything in that newsletter and every other monthly newsletter is company policy would be erroneous. Maybe you can selectively point out which bits are and aren't company policy for us. Without bias of course. 12. Elected representative doesn't change attitude to suit people who didn't vote for him.
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Just Another Toon
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Prince Kobol To counter a couple of points...
1. Most developers including Apple, Microsoft and Google charge $99 per year for their developer programs so I can see where CCP got this figure from. For me it wasn't so much the cost but how they communicated it.
firstly you need to understand what the issue is here. CCP throughout the years have severely lacked any knowledgeable information about the game (until of late EveWiki). Many people through their own hard work and wanting help the community developed alot fo tools for FREE to help YOU. (Evemon, killboards, Chribba, Grismar, Dotlan etc) Now CCP are having the cheek to now charge these people for doing something CCP couldnt be arsed to. Now quite possibly this will have a massive and worse effect for eve community as these tools may no longer be available (and alot of people rely on these apps) because of this greed and idiocy. You can compare eve to Apple or MS and infact MS and Apple dont charge for SDKs actually.
2. Turret Icons are better now but this is down to personal choice. Are you really stupid? They are better! What are you blind? They are grey blobs of ****
3. Yes they could of released more lower priced items in the Nex but nothing to really get worked up about. When you try to market something, you try to draw people in, by offering discounts, or cheap items just to get people to enjoy it and get used to it. THEN you bring in the bigger items! This just caused a massive ****storm, becuase their marketing strategy was a joke.
4. The cost of a Monocle was actually a fantastic move. Holy **** i have not comment to this
Let me explain a little. Every MT Store in every game always has a exclusive high priced item. Now they have released the monocles for $80 and people BROUGHT them. After a while sales will dwindle to nothing as everybody who is prepared to pay that price already has. Once this happens the price will fall and a New Highly Priced Item will appear and so on and so forth.
5. Just repeating yourself.
6. yes there was a performance hit but they had already stated this in a previous blog. As for melting GPU this just shows your lack of knowledge. Software can not destroy hardware. Even if Incarna made your GPU run at 100% this would only damage it if you had poor cooling.
[red[ You seriously have no clue at all. So what your saying is you have to upgrade your pc, spend money on uber machines just to play incarna. Which is strange seeing that many other MUCH BETTER graphically games works fine? CCP are useless at this type of stuff, they implement stuff they have no idea how to develop. Its like old cobol programmers trying to develop in C++
7. There is a work around, use it You shouldnt haver to use a work around it should of been fixed! Infact it shouldnt of even been broken! Ever heard of regression testing
8. Actions matter, not opinions, this is a fact of life, get used to it. thats the problem, the actions, where have you been?
9. The newsletter was just that, a newsletter. I have worked for many companies that have regular news letters/focus meetings were they play devils advocate to provoke discussion. So why was CCP so upset it got leaked? Yes it provoked discussion, but you dont write something like this unless these are ideas you want people to think about, therefore get their approval on, and ultimately implement. This was a sounding out articale that basically said we want to do this, so what do you think.
12. The CSM speaks for the community of Eve because it was voted for by the community. If you are not happy then next time put yourself up for election. You may find actually the EVE Community didnt vote for them, their LARGE 3000-5000 man alliance did. Get it right. CSM is the biggest joke in eve and if they really think we take them seriously they are wrong [/red]
Actions matter not words :)[/quot
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AWESOMO 4ooo
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Posted - 2011.07.06 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: AWESOMO 4ooo on 06/07/2011 11:40:23 not again... pathetic thread is pathetic |
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:08:27 Not sure of what seems to be the problem. If you don't like this thread, just ignore it.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:42:00 -
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Updated.
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:08:27 Not sure of what seems to be the problem.
The problem is you presenting your malformed opinions on behalf of all eve players to internet "journalists" whose integrity is at best questionable.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:08:27 Not sure of what seems to be the problem.
The problem is you presenting your malformed opinions on behalf of all eve players to internet "journalists" whose integrity is at best questionable.
I'm backing my 'opinions' up with links to facts. What - other than your own opinion - are you bringing to the table?
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:08:27 Not sure of what seems to be the problem.
The problem is you presenting your malformed opinions on behalf of all eve players to internet "journalists" whose integrity is at best questionable.
I'm backing my 'opinions' up with links to facts. What - other than your own opinion - are you bringing to the table?
Facts ... biggest lol of the day :)
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:52:01
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Facts ... biggest lol of the day :)
Let me define 'facts' for you.
I consider 'facts' to be the things that people at CCP say and which CCP PR or they themselves have not denied after they became public.
If they say something and don't deny it, then I consider it a fact.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Facts ... biggest lol of the day :)
Let me define 'facts' for you.
I consider 'facts' to be the things that people at CCP and which CCP PR or they themselves have denied later on.
If they say something and don't deny it, then I consider it a fact.
please stop it.. I don't think I can take much more... tears of laughter here :)
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Prince Kobol
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Facts ... biggest lol of the day :)
Let me define 'facts' for you.
I consider 'facts' to be the things that people at CCP and which CCP PR or they themselves have denied later on.
If they say something and don't deny it, then I consider it a fact.
please stop it.. I don't think I can take much more... tears of laughter here :)
Thank you, just wanted to make absolutely sure to everyone reading this that you're a troll.
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Cashcow Golden Goose on 06/07/2011 12:57:38 It's not game breaking to sell a Federation Navy Erebus for $1000 IF all players have equal opportunity to spend $1000 on a Federation Navy Erebus. In fact, it's balanced. What could be more balanced than everybody being offered the same opportunity to spend their rent money on a non game breaking space ship?
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Facts ... biggest lol of the day :)
Let me define 'facts' for you.
I consider 'facts' to be the things that people at CCP and which CCP PR or they themselves have denied later on.
If they say something and don't deny it, then I consider it a fact.
please stop it.. I don't think I can take much more... tears of laughter here :)
Thank you, just wanted to make absolutely sure to everyone reading this that you're a troll.
Not trolling, just find you laughable :)
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 12:59:00 -
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If that ship has better stats than a regular Erebus and CCP literally spawns it out of thin air it is unbalanced because it destroys the ingame titan market since industrialists cannot compete with CCP.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 06/07/2011 13:03:47
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
If they say something and don't deny it, then I consider it a fact.
'They' is difficult to define. One CCP employee said something and another CCP employee and probably a number of them has a different opinion. Yet, you insist in what the first employee said and it was just an idea thrown into the room at the time, is the official stance of CCP. Even when you had your official answer that nothing like this is intended, you claim they are lying.
Your 'logic' works only because see only what you want to see and ignore all other information, or claim they are 'lies'.
Edit:
People like you are also the main reason why a lot of companies discourage their employees to voice an opinion in a public forum. Because you take their words out of the context they are written in and treat anything a person said as 'official', which it is not.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yarrrrrhh If that ship has better stats than a regular Erebus and CCP literally spawns it out of thin air it is unbalanced because it destroys the ingame titan market since industrialists cannot compete with CCP.
So we just have Industrialists buy their stuff for $1000 too. See, balance is restored. Everybody pays, everybody wins. That's not just balance, that's CCP Balance, Hilmar "Mittani" Petersen Bank Balance.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh If that ship has better stats than a regular Erebus and CCP literally spawns it out of thin air it is unbalanced because it destroys the ingame titan market since industrialists cannot compete with CCP.
So we just have Industrialists buy their stuff for $1000 too. See, balance is restored. Everybody pays, everybody wins. That's not just balance, that's CCP Balance, Hilmar "Mittani" Petersen Bank Balance.
You've got a point there. **** that kind of balance though.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:07:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
People like you are also the main reason why a lot of companies discourage their employees to voice an opinion in a public forum. Because you take their words out of the context they are written in and treat anything a person said as 'official', which it is not.
You seriously need to look up the word 'context'. Because I don't think you really know what it means.
I'm not quoting out of context.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:07:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
People like you are also the main reason why a lot of companies discourage their employees to voice an opinion in a public forum. Because you take their words out of the context they are written in and treat anything a person said as 'official', which it is not.
You seriously need to look up the word 'context'. Because I don't think you really know what it means.
I'm not quoting out of context.
okay then.. post the entire conversation where you have selectively picked from
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:09:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Prince Kobol
okay then.. post the entire conversation where you have selectively picked from
Interaction with you to an extent that goes beyond insults is a waste of everyone's time.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:16:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol
okay then.. post the entire conversation where you have selectively picked from
Interaction with you to an extent that goes beyond insults is a waste of everyone's time.
In other words.. No I will not display the entire transcript where I selective pick sentences from because it shows me to be wrong.
Thank you :)
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Cashcow Golden Goose
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:25:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol
okay then.. post the entire conversation where you have selectively picked from
Interaction with you to an extent that goes beyond insults is a waste of everyone's time.
In other words.. No I will not display the entire transcript where I selective pick sentences from because it shows me to be wrong.
Thank you :)
The conversations are already posted, that's where the quotes are picked from. It's not for anybody to repost entire conversations because they are bringing highlight to any particular issue. The context may be acquired by anybody who cares enough to go and get the context for themselves. Quoting is a recognised form of conversational debate and has been ever since humans invented language. People using quotes and inviting you to verify the veracity of the quotes for yourself does not make them automatically wrong, additionally it never will.
If there is some part of this you do not understand, please do not hesitate to ask for clarification.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:28:00 -
[50]
I wouldn't say I'm upset. But I have unsubbed. And the reason is because CCP has not put out a decent expansion in two years and it doesn't look like they will.
More than a few others expressed concerns about this as well.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:38:00 -
[51]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 06/07/2011 13:38:21
Originally by: San Severina expect to get your balls trolled of by throw away ALTS & Fanbois. Enjoy
You mean like how we just got our balls trolled by a throw-away alt and anti-CCP OP?
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Antraman
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:44:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Antraman on 06/07/2011 13:51:12
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:41:05 Here's an incomplete list of CCP's atrocious failures of the last few months. I thought it might be useful for anyone who doesn't know why the community is so upset (newer players and journalists).
1. Demanding 99$ a year from developers for a service they provide for free.
Wasn't the $99 per year fee *only* be charged to developers who either charge or accept donations for the services they provide?
Sites that don't charge fees or accept donations but use CCP IP only need to sign a non-commercial license, which I am guessing, does not incur the $99 a year fee. I dunno, I might be misreading the dev blog wrong....
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:47:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 13:46:56
Originally by: Antraman
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:41:05 Here's an incomplete list of CCP's atrocious failures of the last few months. I thought it might be useful for anyone who doesn't know why the community is so upset (newer players and journalists).
1. Demanding 99$ a year from developers for a service they provide for free.
Wasn't the $99 per year fee *only* charged to developers who either charge or accept donations for the services they provide?
Sites that don't charge fees or accept donations but use CCP IP only need to sign a non-commercial license, which I am guessing, does not incur the $99 a year fee. I dunno, I might be misreading the dev blog wrong....
The issue with that was that is impossible to clearly define what a 'donation' is and therefore to be legally on the safe side every developer would probably have to pay the fee.
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:51:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh troll.
Chopped it a bit to make the intent of this thread clear.
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Valarian Blacksun
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:56:00 -
[55]
i hope the people responsible for this at CCP, gets fired.
This is horrible and ruining eve for me. i have canceled my accounts. but am bitter has hell becouse i invested like 2 years in this game
**** YOU CCP
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.06 13:58:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
would probably
More hard hitting facts.
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Antraman
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:03:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 13:46:56
Originally by: Antraman
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 12:41:05 Here's an incomplete list of CCP's atrocious failures of the last few months. I thought it might be useful for anyone who doesn't know why the community is so upset (newer players and journalists).
1. Demanding 99$ a year from developers for a service they provide for free.
Wasn't the $99 per year fee *only* charged to developers who either charge or accept donations for the services they provide?
Sites that don't charge fees or accept donations but use CCP IP only need to sign a non-commercial license, which I am guessing, does not incur the $99 a year fee. I dunno, I might be misreading the dev blog wrong....
The issue with that was that is impossible to clearly define what a 'donation' is and therefore to be legally on the safe side every developer would probably have to pay the fee.
Well if the 3rd party developer had a paypal donate button on their site, it is clearly accepting donations, and if there is no links or buttons for donations then the developer couldn't be accused of accepting donations...
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:04:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 14:06:54
Originally by: Antraman
Well if the 3rd party developer had a paypal donate button on their site, it is clearly accepting donations, and if there is no links or buttons for donations then the developer couldn't be accused of accepting donations...
Imagine I don't like your free site. I therefore transfer you 100 million ISK, take a screenshot of it, send it to CCP.
You've just received a donation of 100 million ISK and need to lawyer up.
I think that was the way Chribba argumented concerning that issue.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:10:00 -
[59]
1. If you had kept up you'd know that was scrapped again. Will come at a proper "token" amount. 2. All graphics upgrades to an existing system cause conflicts, so far all done in Eve have been sorted a few months in .. would be optimal if you revamped the entire client in one go but I doubt people want to down 3-4Gigs every few years and suffer several day long DTs. 4. So? You probably have an iPod/iPhone even though they are really, really crappy compared to alternatives .. it is called vanity. 5. See above, plus My guesstimate is that AUR will be needed for Dusties as the main source of MT, so getting it smooth in time for launch is a good idea. 6. No comment. Fairly infrequent so expect it will be sorted in time, until then I'll live without CQ. 7. What bonuses? **** like that gets broken all the time due to the stupidly complex mesh of old/new code. Modules applying after being removed, infini-tracking in worms etc. (see #2). 8. If you were Steve Jobs, would you give a rats arse about customers moaning about pricing if you knew that they'd indulge all the same? Exactly the same thing. 9. *sigh* Internal newsletters are not in fact corporate policy. Work in any office will teach you that, it would be like a college campus rumour rag being taken at face value. 10+11. Fearless is as I understand it the title of the newsletter itself and not the single edition I (we) am privy to. Do you think that perhaps the topic has been included in earlier editions or does your paranoia prevent that realisation? 12. As much I loathe to give Kittens any credit, his side-lining of BitterVets (like me) is very appropriate. Most of us are so blinded by our 20/20 hindsight and our longing for the good old days that we can't see anything new as improvements and thus keep yelling for stuff that won't work any more given the size of Eve at present. 13. With proper planning (thank you EveMON team!) extra remapping is a luxury, why not allow people to add 1-2 remaps per annum in exchange for cash? Not gamebreaking as such, but does definitely benefit the "Min/Max ASAP!1111" crowd. Had I access to remaps on demand I could conceivably shave off one week of skill time on a years worth, ie. <2% .. advantage surely, but hardly gamebreaking.
PS: Remember to recycle the Tinfoil when you are done with the hat, wrecks havoc when left in nature.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:14:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida stuff
You've just defended CCP on THIRTEEN MAJOR ****UPS in the last months. Thirteen.
I'm not just criticizing the failures but also that there's so many. When developers have lost touch with a large part of their players then that is usually the end of every game.
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Antraman
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:15:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 14:06:54
Originally by: Antraman
Well if the 3rd party developer had a paypal donate button on their site, it is clearly accepting donations, and if there is no links or buttons for donations then the developer couldn't be accused of accepting donations...
Imagine I don't like your free site. I therefore transfer you 100 million ISK, take a screenshot of it, send it to CCP.
You've just received a donation of 100 million ISK and need to lawyer up.
I think that was the way Chribba argumented concerning that issue.
I think the issue is "soliciting" donations...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:29:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh You've just defended CCP on THIRTEEN MAJOR ****UPS in the last months. Thirteen...
No, I have attempted to correct flawed reasoning and rampant paranoia on your part. That you interpret that as 'defending CCP' almost proves the validity of my post over yours.
Allow me to patronize you some more by speaking to you on the level I think you are: Games are not like Macaroni'n'Cheese where you can add stuff and get a perfect result every time. Games are not like Macaroni'n'Cheese, they grow stale if new ingredients are not added.
Want some more? Just getting warm here.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:38:00 -
[63]
I'm sorry, I must have made the impression that I actually read what you posted earlier. I was just seeing the wall of text with numbers next to it so I was assuming you were defending CCP as everyone else does who answers to my initial post point by point trying to disprove facts.
I apologize.
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:39:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh I'm sorry, I must have made the impression that I actually read what you posted earlier. I was just seeing the wall of text with numbers next to it so I was assuming you were defending CCP as everyone else does who answers to my initial post point by point trying to disprove facts.
I apologize.
Nice trollin bro.
I'm impressed.
Now run along you lil scamp.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:40:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh I'm sorry, I must have made the impression that I actually read what you posted earlier. I was just seeing the wall of text with numbers next to it so I was assuming you were defending CCP as everyone else does who answers to my initial post point by point trying to disprove facts.
I apologize.
Arh, so everybody who disagrees with you is defending CCP and is wrong.
Perhaps we are not so much defending CCP as showing how incredibly wrong you are?
oh by the way.. why are still here playing Eve if the game is bad and CCP are so evil?
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Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:50:00 -
[66]
CCP should shut down these forums until all the whining snivellers are gone. They are old, tired, boring. Things change, this is life. Adapt or quit.
I can hardly wait until I can buy Skill Points....
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:51:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Prince Kobol
oh by the way.. why are still here playing Eve if the game is bad and CCP are so evil?
I'm not playing the game. I've sold my toons and now I'm waiting for my game time to run out. Why would any sane person still play EVE?
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:39:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol
oh by the way.. why are still here playing Eve if the game is bad and CCP are so evil?
I'm not playing the game. I've sold my toons and now I'm waiting for my game time to run out. Why would any sane person still play EVE?
Because they don't agree with your "truth"?
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:44:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 15:45:39
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente Because they don't agree with your "truth"?
They don't need to agree with it. It's the truth, thus it's not really phased by people not agreeing with it.
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Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:46:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 06/07/2011 15:47:31 yarrah!
People of Motsu just don't care but good post anyway
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Storm X4
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:49:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 14:16:17 Removed bunch of mumbojumbo wall of text!
Heres some tips, turn off CQ if your GPU is that crappy or go buy a ATI graphics card, mine is 40C on AIR with 2 clients up at max settings in CQ.
Turrets have never been so awesome.
Nex is for rich people, move along, nobody is forcing you to buy any of it. So don't buy anything there. Doesn't and never will change game play. No point in crying over it.
Also, U Mad Bro?!
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:52:00 -
[72]
I instinctively distrust anyone purporting to know the only correct "truth". As in "they don't have to agree, it's the truth". I've seen this kind of people on other forums - it like a fanatic cult and thus totally pointless debating the thread.
I place those in the same category as doom sayers preaching the end of the world tbh.
Please go away?
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Prime
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:59:00 -
[73]
I agree that most of the 13 points here are valid.
However, I could care less what price ccp wants to sell vanity stuff... for all i care, they could make it $1000 usd.
I personally will not do vanity...
CCP gets my $ for my game time, and if that is ruined by the many other points (esp ship bonuses broken bug, and stuff like that, which is too common), then I stop playing, and stop paying.
To be honest, I'm glad the whiners are whining about vanity stuff... I'd rather those people NOT play eve ;)
MT or AUR should never break sandbox industry/mechanics of eve, if it does, I will quit at that time. I won't quit now, because it has not happened.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:59:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 15:45:39
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente Because they don't agree with your "truth"?
They don't need to agree with it. It's the truth, thus it's not really phased by people not agreeing with it.
Who's truth.. Your Truth, CCP's Truth, My Truth, There Truth?
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Divineo Avataria
Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:12:00 -
[75]
With regards to Incarna "melting" graphics cards, I'd like to point out that if any application causes overheating it's a sign of an improperly configured PC.
If you installed your graphics card yourself, it means you purchased a card that's too powerful for the amount of air your case can pull through. If your system came preconfigured and is overheating it means you've purchased a faulty system.
Anyone who's experiencing issues with temperature should run Prime95 for a few hours to test their CPU and then run FurMark for 15-30m or so to test their GPU. Graphics cards aren't usually designed to run something as demanding as FurMark for extended periods so if your card can handle 30m of FurMark, it can handle anything!
If either Prime95 or FurMark cause a fail or system crash / reboot, you've got a cooling issue.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:15:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Divineo Avataria With regards to Incarna "melting" graphics cards, I'd like to point out that if any application causes overheating it's a sign of an improperly configured PC.
If you installed your graphics card yourself, it means you purchased a card that's too powerful for the amount of air your case can pull through. If your system came preconfigured and is overheating it means you've purchased a faulty system.
Anyone who's experiencing issues with temperature should run Prime95 for a few hours to test their CPU and then run FurMark for 15-30m or so to test their GPU. Graphics cards aren't usually designed to run something as demanding as FurMark for extended periods so if your card can handle 30m of FurMark, it can handle anything!
If either Prime95 or FurMark cause a fail or system crash / reboot, you've got a cooling issue.
YOU LIE....
This was the Evil and insidious CCP's and Nvidia's plan all along to rid people of their ATI Cards...
Next stop..
THE WORLD !!!!!!!!
Muhahahahaha
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Ramma Lamma DingDong
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:26:00 -
[77]
This just in.
OP beats dead horse.
Film at eleven.
Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:29:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong This just in.
OP beats dead horse.
Film at eleven.
Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.
You mean
OP ****ed a dead horse :)
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:29:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong This just in.
OP beats dead horse.
Film at eleven.
Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.
Would you please confirm that you just bumped a thread that you would like to see disappear from the first page of this forum?
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:31:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong This just in.
OP beats dead horse.
Film at eleven.
Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.
You mean
OP ****ed a dead horse :)
I'm pretty sure there's a section in the TOS that spells trouble for you.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:46:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh 9. Leaking an internal newsletter which states that CCP sees players as golden geese.
They did not say the players were Golden Geese, they said Eve is a Golden Goose.
So many people confuse the "Golden Goose" with "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs", its not as offensive if you make that mistake. The Golden Goose is a goose with gold feathers that if you touched it, you could not let go. ******, opium and crack are some real world examples of a "Golden Goose".
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:52:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Hesperius
They did not say the players were Golden Geese, they said Eve is a Golden Goose.
So many people confuse the "Golden Goose" with "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs", its not as offensive if you make that mistake. The Golden Goose is a goose with gold feathers that if you touched it, you could not let go. ******, opium and crack are some real world examples of a "Golden Goose".
Now here's the really mind-bender: Hilmar, for certain, meant "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs" too. He wasn't talking about touching our feathers (eew), but how he could pluck them -- and indefinitely, at that.
+1 for the interesting FYI, though.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP |
Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 17:08:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 17:09:18 I think the 'don't listen to what they say, react to what they do' attitude is what makes the discussion about how Hilmar meant it obsolete. I don't care if the leaked email was 'pep talk' and it the leaked newsletter was fake. The fact alone that there are people working in leading positions at CCP who write this dreck to be read by other employees is eye opening.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.07.06 17:35:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Now here's the really mind-bender: Hilmar, for certain, meant "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs" too. He wasn't talking about touching our feathers (eew), but how he could pluck them -- and indefinitely, at that.
+1 for the interesting FYI, though.
It isn't a mind-bender at all.
Originally by: "Fearless Newsletter"
And it couldnÆt come at a better time. As EVE edges closer to being the grand dame of gaming, turning 8 years old this month, and our other game titles continue their prodigious growth (yes, World of Darkness too û you got the t-shirt to prove it), our development road map is shaping up stronger and better. However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue û revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you. The model also supports the notion of creating a meaningful experience and identity for the player (more in our main feature on page 4).
It wasn't in the email, it was in the newsletter. It wasn't calling the players something you couldn't let go of, it was calling the game something the players couldn't let go of. You going to pull the wool over your own eyes?
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.06 17:52:00 -
[85]
too many CCP alts.
good thread imo, keeping it bumped. you forgot to add another reason why people are upset: old, broken features are not being touched; there is nothing on the horizon regarding FW, nullsec, ship and cap balancing.
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Eru GoEller
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:26:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Prince Kobol To counter a couple of points...
1-12 blablabla Actions matter not words :)
So why aren't there any action that fixes what is obvisiously broken? Just take large fleet fights as an example.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:30:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Hungry Eyes too many CCP alts.
good thread imo, keeping it bumped. you forgot to add another reason why people are upset: old, broken features are not being touched; there is nothing on the horizon regarding FW, nullsec, ship and cap balancing.
Added that to the list.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:42:00 -
[88]
I've also removed the Golden Goose reference because it is simply not stated exactly like that in the newsletter. Replaced with "I shop therefore I am" which IS in the newsletter.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:43:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Syphon Lodian You mean, why You are upset, and why a very small minority in the community are "upset"?
That same minority which is by and large still playing, just whining on the forums looking for attention?
lol, spoken like a true noob
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Eru GoEller
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:46:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Storm X4 Edited by: Storm X4 on 06/07/2011 15:55:51
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 14:16:17 Removed bunch of mumbojumbo wall of text!
Heres some tips, turn off CQ if your GPU is that crappy or go buy a ATI graphics card, mine is 40C on AIR with 2 clients up at max settings in CQ, btw its a $150 video card.
Turrets have never been so awesome.
Nex is for rich people, move along, nobody is forcing you to buy any of it. So don't buy anything there. Doesn't and never will change game play. No point in crying over it.
Also, U Mad Bro?!
So, if i've this or better and still have performance issues with the game i should turn of a feature i paid for? System requirements for EVE Online
And, in what way does the turret features enhance the gameplay versus skills not applying until a relogin?
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:52:00 -
[91]
The golden goose bit should have stayed on the list, it is really offensive. You just had it mixed up a little.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:03:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 19:04:57
Originally by: Hesperius The golden goose bit should have stayed on the list, it is really offensive. You just had it mixed up a little.
Tbh I'm simply not sure anymore if the analogy is really mentioned in the newsletter or not. And **** me if I'm reading that abomination again.
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Coco Caine
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:17:00 -
[93]
OP sums it up nicely for me. Bump!
I paid CCP to provide me with a game (=background story, settings, experiences, game mechanics), not with 'virtual goods'. The whole fearless/CEO letter/monocle stuff offends me, especially since Incarna does not bring any new gaming experience, but even reduce some.
Can't help but facepalm. Where's the iterations on all the 'crabby but full of potential' old content? Industry, null sec, faction warfare, mission running, poses? That's what I'm looking for.
I logged into Incarna, but all I got was a lousy monocle.
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:31:00 -
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Golden Goose: It's on page 1 in the editor's comments.
Alex Gianturdo does not speak for me: "I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'." ~ The Mittani |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:42:00 -
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I don't think the summary is all that great, but that's just me. Here's how I'd say it:
The reason players are unsubscribing in droves (and other players are letting their accounts lapse but are not given the option to unsubscribe on the account management page) is:
1. CCP has neglected core gameplay for years and the game is full of bugs, exploits, bots, and imbalanced and unfinished content.
2. CCP is intent on greatly expanding P2W MT in the game, breaking core functionality and selling it back to its customers. This may work (and be acceptable) in a F2P game, but not in a subscription based game where many long-term players are already paying over $50/month.
3. Internal documents released to the public have revealed that CCP has utter contempt for its customers (referring to them as its 'golden goose' and urging its employees to 'look at what the players do and not what they say'.)
Everything else just comes back to those 3 points, imo. 1. Neglecting core gameplay 2. Obsession with MT. 3. Unethical, dishonest, contemptuous attitude.
Any 1 of them is a deal-breaker imo. If you're fine with all 3, you're a masochist.
Alex Gianturdo does not speak for me: "I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'." ~ The Mittani |
Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson I don't think the summary is all that great, but that's just me. Here's how I'd say it:
The reason players are unsubscribing in droves (and other players are letting their accounts lapse but are not given the option to unsubscribe on the account management page) is:
1. CCP has neglected core gameplay for years and the game is full of bugs, exploits, bots, and imbalanced and unfinished content.
2. CCP is intent on greatly expanding P2W MT in the game, breaking core functionality and selling it back to its customers. This may work (and be acceptable) in a F2P game, but not in a subscription based game where many long-term players are already paying over $50/month.
3. Internal documents released to the public have revealed that CCP has utter contempt for its customers (referring to them as its 'golden goose' and urging its employees to 'look at what the players do and not what they say'.)
Everything else just comes back to those 3 points, imo. 1. Neglecting core gameplay 2. Obsession with MT. 3. Unethical, dishonest, contemptuous attitude.
Any 1 of them is a deal-breaker imo. If you're fine with all 3, you're a masochist.
If these forums weren't as broken as they are I'd add your statement above my own. But I cannot add any new words to the first post because I'm out of letters (thank you CCP). I would have probably written something similar to your comment but people love lists with 10 bullets and press also likes links. I would have to add all of the CCP **** ups to your neat text and I don't know how to do that because you've used too little words to link to all the fail.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 06/07/2011 20:11:51
Now the whiners here are grasping at the last straws.
Golden Goose offensive? It is an accurate description. EVE Online is indeed the Golden Goose because it paid for CCP and paid them quite well, even when the worlds and Icelands economy took a turn downwards. It also allowed them to expand and merge into White Wolf.
Yet while it is CCPs main product and will be the main product in any forseeable future, it would be terminal stupidity for them not to develop another product, because it is the only way to ensure the companies long term survival.
Remember Origin? It was an awesome company in the 90s and developed Ultima Online, but in the end EA would not allow them to develop anything besides UO and with constant nagging from EAs accountants and their most creative staff leaving the company died a slow death.
Most people associate Origin only with UO, but I well remember the old Ultima and Wing Commander games and with each release they set new standard in the in the games industry.
I don't want EVE and certainly not CCP to die. The world needs developers who are independant and have a vision for their product. That is something very rare in the industry, but also something very important.
Go ahead CCP and follow your vision for EVE. You guys rock!
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Go ahead CCP and follow your vision for EVE. You guys rock!
All the bittervets would wholeheartedly agree if the vision was the old one which everyone of us signed up for.
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Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:19:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Go ahead CCP and follow your vision for EVE. You guys rock!
All the bittervets would wholeheartedly agree if the vision was the old one which everyone of us signed up for.
Bitter vet not detected.
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:20:00 -
[100]
It really boils down to a simple choice if you're a customer of CCP:
Stay subscribed if you're happy to pay for a steak, get served hamburger helper (with spit on it) and then be forced to pay extra for ketchup.
Unsubscribe if you think that a business should pay attention to what its paying customers overwhelmingly want.
Make no mistake, the precedent set here will determine the future of this game and will dictate how CCP responds the next time (and the time after that, etc.)
If CCP's customers stand firm and stop paying, CCP will cave. They're watching what we do, not what we say.
Alex Gianturdo does not speak for me: "I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'." ~ The Mittani |
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:11:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Important Person
ITT unbelievably clever posts from the famous Important Person, riveting
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:13:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson It really boils down to a simple choice if you're a customer of CCP:
Stay subscribed if you're happy to pay for a steak, get served hamburger helper (with spit on it) and then be forced to pay extra for ketchup.
Unsubscribe if you think that a business should pay attention to what its paying customers overwhelmingly want.
Make no mistake, the precedent set here will determine the future of this game and will dictate how CCP responds the next time (and the time after that, etc.)
If CCP's customers stand firm and stop paying, CCP will cave. They're watching what we do, not what we say.
QFT^^
100% Correct as usual.
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Ohforgetaboutit
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Posted - 2011.07.07 06:15:00 -
[103]
bump
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.07 06:23:00 -
[104]
Originally by: San Severina
QFT^^
100% Correct as usual.
Oh look, Fergies alt is back.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.07.07 06:42:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
The reason players are unsubscribing in droves (and other players are letting their accounts lapse but are not given the option to unsubscribe on the account management page) is:
1. CCP has neglected core gameplay for years and the game is full of bugs, exploits, bots, and imbalanced and unfinished content.
2. CCP is intent on greatly expanding P2W MT in the game, breaking core functionality and selling it back to its customers. This may work (and be acceptable) in a F2P game, but not in a subscription based game where many long-term players are already paying over $50/month.
3. Internal documents released to the public have revealed that CCP has utter contempt for its customers (referring to them as its 'golden goose' and urging its employees to 'look at what the players do and not what they say'.)
Very well put ! I think especially point 1 + the fact that the main focus has been on incarna + wod + dust for so long with so very little to show for has set a lot of resentment among a lof of players.
I have seen a lot of active players just disappear especially the past year or so, because of this. Most don't post on the forums, they just unsub and fade away.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.07 07:15:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson The reason players are unsubscribing in droves ...
Hate to burst your bubble, but 5-10k accounts from 3-4k people is not droves when total account number is close to 400k and people probably around 150-200k. People come and go as usual, trend so far has been more incoming than outgoing, effect of SpaceBarbie won't be known until quarterly numbers are in.
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson 1. CCP has neglected core gameplay for years and the game is full of bugs, exploits, bots, and imbalanced and unfinished content.
So pretty much like every other game and real life comparison you can make. People will lie, cheat and steal if it gets them ahead, the only way to suppress that tendency is by force (or drugs). We players share some of the blame as we buy RMT'd ISK, we build botted capitals, we insist on blobbing thus diverting dev resources to accommodate us etc.
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson 2. CCP is intent on greatly expanding P2W MT in the game...
Oh, Mind showing me where you get that from? Would love to see just how badly you botched the rudimentary exercise called "reading".
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson 3. Internal documents released to the public have revealed ...
Would love to live in a world where everything was black/white and no confusion ever existed. Alas, humanity is a flawed animal and everything we experience is run through layers of subjective interpretation .. roleplaying and having a devil's advocate is a great way to cut through some of the filters so that a message reaches the cognitive function intact - guess what the newsletter was?
Still have not seen one single legitimate complaint that is not based on already debunked evidence. Believe it or not, the mere fact that CCP even bothers to listen (even if they don't always hear ) is huge and is for me the only reason why I stay.
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.07 07:23:00 -
[107]
Golden Goose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Goose
Quote: Not to be confused with The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs.
EvE is the golden goose. Those people that attempt to profit from the golden goose by plucking a gold feather are stuck to the goose and their plan backfires. How could this be relevant to a topic weighing the pros and cons of MT in eve? I'll let you decide rather than force feed you my opinions as fact.
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Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.07 09:38:00 -
[108]
bump
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.07.07 09:50:00 -
[109]
I like the part where, while standing in your CQ, you need to leave your ship to clone jump.
Go immersion!
Donations accepted: 1BpQEYT7aSUNM863BV67FPxyv1cpxr74uu |
Yarrrrrhh
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Posted - 2011.07.07 09:58:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Morgan Polaris
I like the part where, while standing in your CQ, you need to leave your ship to clone jump.
Go immersion!
Oh god. Oh dear god have mercy.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:03:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Go ahead CCP and follow your vision for EVE. You guys rock!
All the bittervets would wholeheartedly agree if the vision was the old one which everyone of us signed up for.
You got in one word "OLD"
New is good, adopt or give up.
Are you the type that gives up because ****s gotten harder or doesn't suit your style of play? I think you are.
Jog on EVE has outgrown you.
Or adopt and get the **** on with it.
as for your "all the bitter vets" I ****ing hate when people label us vets in that way, IÆm not bitter, I don't know any vets that are bitter, any vets I know that fell out of love with EVE left the game.
YouÆre a self appointed leader of a movement that exists only in your head.
If you really want to make a difference and make changes then do it through the CSM.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:51:00 -
[112]
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 07/07/2011 12:52:15
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Unsubscribe if you think that a business should pay attention to what its paying customers .2% of its most vocal paying customers overwhelmingly want.
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Eklesiastico
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:58:00 -
[113]
Originally by: J Kunjeh Edited by: J Kunjeh on 07/07/2011 12:52:15
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Unsubscribe if you think that a business should pay attention to what its paying customers .2% of its most vocal paying customers overwhelmingly want.
Fixed that for ya.
.2%? I'm counting 4 vocal drama-queens at the moment in the forum.
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