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OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:24:00 -
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I have to say, seeing cosmo's name in the 'Newest Threa' column was pretty exciting. I am disappointed at the lack of rage and scammetry though.
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Candy Oshea
Amarr Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Candy Oshea on 06/07/2011 22:16:10 I strongly suggest you pay back whats owed. Will you earn your stripes back with MD?, can't answer... If you genuinely have a chance to clear your debt & get the monkey of your back, then i sincerely hope you take it.
If i have been trolled into poasting then so be it. ___ iCandy Bonds
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Candy Oshea If i have been trolled into poasting then so be it.
Candy - You need to eat something honey, you're looking a little thin... ---
Thinking outside the box is good, but when the Box has everything you need, no need to create something new... |
OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.06 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
Candy - You need to eat something honey, you're looking a little thin...
I agree, snazzy shirt however.
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Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2011.07.07 03:53:00 -
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Eat some goddamn burgers *****!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.07.07 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Voyant
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Maybe before paying people back, Cosmoray could expand on what the hell actually happened.
Maybe you could leave that decision to the people he owes money to.
He owes me more than money.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.07 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 07/07/2011 06:34:49
cosmoray: "I want to give away 62b ISK"
MD: rabble rabble "You're a bad person" rabble "You're not allowed to give away any money unless you meet these conditions" rabble rabble "How can you dare?" rabble rabble :tinfoilhat:
Looks like giving back stolen ISK is even more outrageously wrong than stealing it in the first place...
if you are concerned that the ISK might be tainted in some way just write a short petition after receiving it and wait for an answer before spending it.
I would pay back the larger debt (i.e. the private one) and forget about the other bonds.
Better to make one group 100% happy than leaving two groups with something to complain about.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.07.07 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 07/07/2011 06:34:49
cosmoray: "I want to give away 62b ISK"
MD: rabble rabble "You're a bad person" rabble "You're not allowed to give away any money unless you meet these conditions" rabble rabble "How can you dare?" rabble rabble :tinfoilhat:
Looks like giving back stolen ISK is even more outrageously wrong than stealing it in the first place...
It's the peasant syndrome. Rabble and pitch forks while they don't see they get damaged in the process.
Imagine if there was one investor who was interested in getting some of his money back, with all of these flames he may as well forget having hope to be reimbursed.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.07.07 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 07/07/2011 06:34:49
cosmoray: "I want to give away 62b ISK"
MD: rabble rabble "You're a bad person" rabble "You're not allowed to give away any money unless you meet these conditions" rabble rabble "How can you dare?" rabble rabble :tinfoilhat:
Looks like giving back stolen ISK is even more outrageously wrong than stealing it in the first place...
It's the peasant syndrome. Rabble and pitch forks while they don't see they get damaged in the process.
Imagine if there was one investor who was interested in getting some of his money back, with all of these flames he may as well forget having hope to be reimbursed.
Have you guys been sniffing the lead paint or something?
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Faith Clothos on 07/07/2011 10:00:27
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 07/07/2011 06:34:49
cosmoray: "I want to give away 62b ISK"
MD: rabble rabble "You're a bad person" rabble "You're not allowed to give away any money unless you meet these conditions" rabble rabble "How can you dare?" rabble rabble :tinfoilhat:
Looks like giving back stolen ISK is even more outrageously wrong than stealing it in the first place...
It's the peasant syndrome. Rabble and pitch forks while they don't see they get damaged in the process.
Imagine if there was one investor who was interested in getting some of his money back, with all of these flames he may as well forget having hope to be reimbursed.
Have you guys been sniffing the lead paint or something?
Don't you have a bond to run?
Oh wait..
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 07/07/2011 06:34:49
cosmoray: "I want to give away 62b ISK"
MD: rabble rabble "You're a bad person" rabble "You're not allowed to give away any money unless you meet these conditions" rabble rabble "How can you dare?" rabble rabble :tinfoilhat:
Looks like giving back stolen ISK is even more outrageously wrong than stealing it in the first place...
if you are concerned that the ISK might be tainted in some way just write a short petition after receiving it and wait for an answer before spending it.
I would pay back the larger debt (i.e. the private one) and forget about the other bonds.
Better to make one group 100% happy than leaving two groups with something to complain about.
It helps to read the thread before commenting
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Krythas
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Posted - 2011.07.07 11:39:00 -
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As someone that loaned ISK to cosmoray, I really couldn't care one way or other is it is paid back or not. The damage is already done.
What would have been nice, is that if what he says in this thread is true, then if he'd just said 'bad stuff happened, oops, your ISK is gone, sorry' it would have gone down a lot better than 'lulz, I scammed you with all'
I'd talk about Brock too but it will give him a big head, instead I'll wait till he does the same thing in his own 'oops, I didn't mean to scam' thread.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Claire Voyant
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Maybe before paying people back, Cosmoray could expand on what the hell actually happened.
Maybe you could leave that decision to the people he owes money to.
He owes me more than money.
Were ever an investor?
What else do I owe you?
What do you want? Money returned? Seems people don't even care! Payback money and get pilloried or don't pay back money and get same treatment?
Hmm......
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Claire Voyant
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Maybe before paying people back, Cosmoray could expand on what the hell actually happened.
Maybe you could leave that decision to the people he owes money to.
He owes me more than money.
Were ever an investor?
What else do I owe you?
What do you want? Money returned? Seems people don't even care! Payback money and get pilloried or don't pay back money and get same treatment?
Hmm......
Didn't you claim that you pulled a fast one in an audit VV did on you, faking possession of some BPOs, with the implication that this enabled your scam? If there was no scam then it would be worth clearing this up.
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Tom Bithoff
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:59:00 -
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I have an outstanding suggestion for how you should proceed (while you wouldn't smell like a rose, you'd smell better than any remaining critics), but I've no idea why you think anyone would give you such a great idea for free. |
Bashar Tyekanik
Minmatar Zensunni Wanderers
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 -
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I had 9 Billion invested with you in both CRH shares and your private bond.
So if you're serious about paying investors back, then I'd go along with what SencneS suggested...
Originally by: SencneS Cosmoray - First thing you need to do is make sure everyone who had a bond still exists..
I don't know how many people you had, but some of them might not even exist in game anymore. Those you can clear off the table instantly. Do this by sending each one of them 1 ISK. Easiest way to know if they are in game or not.
From that point I would take the total sum of all holders both private and public and issue back proportions to each according their contribution. You have 62B for 99.5B, I doubt any one, Public or Private will really care about the fact they didn't get it in full, just the fact they got something back.
TBH Cosmo I'd be amazed if you returned ANY ISK, but should you decide to do the right thing and pay up then I'll donate all ISK I receive from you to VV's Emergencies charity, so at least some good will have come from this sad ponzilulzfailscamthingy.
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Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Payback money and get pilloried or don't pay back money and get same treatment?
To be fair you have only yourself to blame. As others have said if you had issues people would have been a lot more understanding rather than mocking them for having trusted you by saying it was all a big ponzi and you lost all the isk playing EOH poker.
In response to the quoted question, only your own conscience knows the answer to that; I would suggest that the question could be rephrased as:
"Payback money and get pilloried (but know you did the right thing in the end) or don't pay back money and get same treatment (because you don't care)?"
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Candy Oshea
Amarr Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.07.07 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS Candy - You need to eat something honey, you're looking a little thin...
There is no food under AUR vanity items as yet & im sick of the long roes or w/e they are. ___ iCandy Bonds
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.07.08 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Didn't you claim that you pulled a fast one in an audit VV did on you, faking possession of some BPOs, with the implication that this enabled your scam? If there was no scam then it would be worth clearing this up.
No, he pulled that thing to Kazuo Ishiguro well before that (you can find the relevant audit, it's linked in the threads made around when cosmoray scammed). In my case iirc he opened a trade window with the BPOs to see. Moreover since I had the full API key of the involved character I checked the past jobs, ME and PE are good indicators that the BP is an original even if it's still possible to do some trickery I won't disclose here. There could even have been a screenshot taken but honestly it's passed so much time I don't recall. |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.07.08 07:44:00 -
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In the event that you are serious Cosmo I think treating both debts equally would be fairest. |
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.08 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jackie Fisher In the event that you are serious Cosmo I think treating both debts equally would be fairest.
I would go so far as to say, doing anything else would be nonsense, and tantamount to selective scamming. Makes no difference what the name of the debt is. Also I am an advocate of not throwing ISK into a black hole, i.e. don't pay out inactive players (if you are only making partial repayment), so do a bit of work to try and identify the active ones.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 08/07/2011 10:21:49
Well, I had a little bit into this, a few shares, 2B iirc. In my opinion, it depends on where does the money come from, on the two ventures being separated in management or not. It also depends on why, why did you go with the scam route and why are you paying now?
I would also weight in if this is going to be the only payment or if there is possible payment of the rest of the debt. It also deserves mentioning that private investments can not be verified, so we have only your word on that regard and that doesn't hold much weight right now, that's why private investment is more riskier than public. |
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