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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:31:00 -
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Ok,
So here's the thing - my beloved BenQ FP241W started getting severe image retention after several years of dedicated service, so it was time for a replacement/upgrade. I knew I wanted quality and I knew I wanted 120Hz, but my heart was set on an IPS...
I didn't view before I purchased and weighed up the reviews hard before committing to buying another BenQ, the XL2410T.
It arrived yesterday.
I plugged it in and straight away was immediately disappointed with what I saw. Everything about the windows environment was washed out or overly bright and text was pixelating at the fringes with an ugly chromatic aberration type effect. Then there was the blacks.
Gone were my inky blacks and replaced with strong greys - I popped in a few blue-rays for testing and alterations in the many presets available, nothing could change the quality back to how it was on my (ageing) M-PVA panel. I toyed and toyed, and finally gave up. What's even worse is that if I moved my head, I could see the contrast and colors change, it has such a narrow viewing angle.
Then I loaded Team Fortress 2 and...OMFG
I couldn't believe what I was seeing, the responsiveness of the action, the depth of colour, the speed...oh the speed was amazing. It was literally like I instantly had a huge advantage in-game. I even stood in front of snipers and playfully strafed left and right just to see if any of them could get a headshot, or any kind of shot on me, to no avail and only added to the broadening smile across my face.
Sadly, it isn't enough - if all I did was game, then it would be.
Make no mistake - the XL2410T is gaming perfection, and if all you do is game and like 1080p on a 16x9 - get one.
So in some ways, thankfully, it has a stuck pixel near the centre so I am returning it and am going to need to make another choice again as to what to go for. I am looking for IPS or better, and am currently leaning towards the HP LP2475w - even if it isn't 120Hz
Suggestions?
AK
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Iva Posavec
Posavec Innovations Takhar Matari
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat
So in some ways, thankfully, it has a stuck pixel near the centre so I am returning it and am going to need to make another choice again as to what to go for. I am looking for IPS or better, and am currently leaning towards the HP LP2475w - even if it isn't 120Hz
I don't know if a stuck pixel is the same / similar as a dead pixel but in the UK a screen needs to have a certain amount of dead pixels before the store is required to make a replacement.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Posavec
Originally by: AlleyKat
So in some ways, thankfully, it has a stuck pixel near the centre so I am returning it and am going to need to make another choice again as to what to go for. I am looking for IPS or better, and am currently leaning towards the HP LP2475w - even if it isn't 120Hz
I don't know if a stuck pixel is the same / similar as a dead pixel but in the UK a screen needs to have a certain amount of dead pixels before the store is required to make a replacement.
Some stores/sites will happily replace/refund a screen regardless of what "Minimum dead pixels" they are required to observe. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Zagam
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:51:00 -
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BenQ is decent, but I've had the best luck with monitors made by companies that also make LCD TVs. (more experience, higher quality). I'm running a 22" Samsung T220, and love it. Its not 1080p, but its beyond solid... and still going strong after 3 years. ---------.oOo.---------- Chaos, Madness, and Destruction. My work here is done. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Posavec I don't know if a stuck pixel is the same / similar as a dead pixel but in the UK a screen needs to have a certain amount of dead pixels before the store is required to make a replacement.
I've already called them and they have accepted it on those terms and are giving me full refund. Collecting Friday.
AK
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:56:00 -
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There are probably several modes in which the monitor can operate.
My Acer LCD has: standard, text, movies, graphics and user defined.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope There are probably several modes in which the monitor can operate.
My Acer LCD has: standard, text, movies, graphics and user defined.
Totally; it's got FPS, Movie, Photo, Standard, sRGB, ECO and some user defined options too - but like I say, I did fiddle for a while to no avail.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:47:00 -
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tbh in monitors there are only two choices:
LG if you want to go cheap with relatively good quality; Samsung if you want the best. ---
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:12:00 -
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I'm pretty much stuck deciding between an IPS and 120Hz, but I'm trying to stay cheap. The current candidates are the Dell U2311H for an IPS and the LG W2363D for the 120Hz.
The LP2475W lags much more than the Dell. I'm not aware of a faster IPS than the U2311H but that doesn't mean much.
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Zagam
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Posted - 2011.07.07 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Placeholder I'm pretty much stuck deciding between an IPS and 120Hz, but I'm trying to stay cheap. The current candidates are the Dell U2311H for an IPS and the LG W2363D for the 120Hz.
The LP2475W lags much more than the Dell. I'm not aware of a faster IPS than the U2311H but that doesn't mean much.
Get the LG. Faster response time (3ms vs 8ms, which you wouldn't notice except in very high framerate FPS), higher brightness (400 cd/m2 vs 300 cd/m2), nearly the same viewing angle, AND the LG has HDMI input (the Dell doesn't). The only "advantage" the dell has is USB ability, but a decent 4-port USB hub costs like $10-$15.
Oh, the LG is "3D ready", whatever that means. ---------.oOo.---------- Chaos, Madness, and Destruction. My work here is done. |
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:23:00 -
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Do you own any of the monitors or are you comparing the stats?
I think I need to actually use them to really see if the quality gain from the IPS is worth it or not. The only reliable manufacturer stats seem to be screen size and resolution. I picked those 2 based on reviews and a set of constraints that I chose, mainly price, input lag and resolution.
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Zagam
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Do you own any of the monitors or are you comparing the stats?
I think I need to actually use them to really see if the quality gain from the IPS is worth it or not. The only reliable manufacturer stats seem to be screen size and resolution. I picked those 2 based on reviews and a set of constraints that I chose, mainly price, input lag and resolution.
I'm comparing the stats that are scientifically based and measureable. Namely screen size, resolution, brightness, refresh rate, viewing angle, input ports. Everything aside from that is subjective.
I do not own either monitor, and have a Samsung T220 22" widescreen at home.
Testing display lag is problematic at best, and requires having BOTH monitors. I understand how it can impact gaming, but if a 60ms delay (3-4 frames) is a "show-stopper" for your gaming (never mind the fact that you will have anywhere from 50-200ms delay going over the internet), then I think you need to re-examine your priorities. Its basically a decision of whether you want very little input lag, or a higher quality image. ---------.oOo.---------- Chaos, Madness, and Destruction. My work here is done. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zagam Its basically a decision of whether you want very little input lag, or a higher quality image.
Yup, and in a nutshell - and I can survive the lag deficiencies of IPS for gaming to get the image quality I need, plus I do prefer 16x10 versus 16x9 panels.
HP LP2475w ordered and being delivered tomorrow.
The nanosecond a decent IPS (or better) monitor is on the market that has 120hz with TFT response times and 3D, my bank card comes out.
Thanks for the suggestions anyway guys.
AK
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak tbh in monitors there are only two choices:
LG if you want to go cheap with relatively good quality; Samsung if you want the best.
lolwut? I would have to be poor to go with either one, Eizo (HP in a pinch) all the way for me baby. |
Zagam
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Originally by: Grimpak tbh in monitors there are only two choices:
LG if you want to go cheap with relatively good quality; Samsung if you want the best.
lolwut? I would have to be poor to go with either one, Eizo (HP in a pinch) all the way for me baby.
HP over Samsung?
lolwut?
(I know who makes HP monitors, and know their return/issue rates... there's a reason why I'm not buying one - ever) |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Posavec
I don't know if a stuck pixel is the same / similar as a dead pixel but in the UK a screen needs to have a certain amount of dead pixels before the store is required to make a replacement.
Who the hell are you buying from?
I can't remember the last time I had an issue with replacing a monitor that arrived with stuck pixels. Must be at least 5 years ago.
I can only assume that you're buying from someone who is supplying from the grey channel rather than authorised wholesalers. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.08 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Who the hell are you buying from?
I can't remember the last time I had an issue with replacing a monitor that arrived with stuck pixels. Must be at least 5 years ago.
I can only assume that you're buying from someone who is supplying from the grey channel rather than authorised wholesalers.
Annoyingly - the HP that got delivered today has also got a stuck pixel.
Picture quality is superb, but I can't seem to get a lucky break...
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.08 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Othran Who the hell are you buying from?
I can't remember the last time I had an issue with replacing a monitor that arrived with stuck pixels. Must be at least 5 years ago.
I can only assume that you're buying from someone who is supplying from the grey channel rather than authorised wholesalers.
Annoyingly - the HP that got delivered today has also got a stuck pixel.
Picture quality is superb, but I can't seem to get a lucky break...
AK
Samsung. It's already been said and all that needs to be said. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.07.08 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 08/07/2011 21:00:41 Did you reset your video card settings and the monitor itself to factory defaults? It usually clears up what you're seeing.
After that you should be able to adjust to how you like and have good picture. |
Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.07.08 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Othran Who the hell are you buying from?
I can't remember the last time I had an issue with replacing a monitor that arrived with stuck pixels. Must be at least 5 years ago.
I can only assume that you're buying from someone who is supplying from the grey channel rather than authorised wholesalers.
Annoyingly - the HP that got delivered today has also got a stuck pixel.
Picture quality is superb, but I can't seem to get a lucky break...
AK
Samsung. It's already been said and all that needs to be said.
I am quite happy with my samsung monitor. But then again, I am not very picky about my monitors. |
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.09 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Did you reset your video card settings and the monitor itself to factory defaults? It usually clears up what you're seeing.
After that you should be able to adjust to how you like and have good picture.
yup, tried all that jazz - no joy, it's gonna get replaced.
I did look at the Samsung range - no IPS models out there, but they are bringing a similar standard soon, but in 27", 16x9 and no 120hz.
Until I can get the quality and speed I want, I'll stick with this HP Monitor - the IQ is outstanding, from any angle.
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Dan Glebitts
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Posted - 2011.07.10 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat Then I loaded Team Fortress 2 and...OMFG........I even stood in front of snipers and playfully strafed left and right just to see if any of them could get a headshot, or any kind of shot on me, to no avail and only added to the broadening smile across my face.
Someone doesn't understand how a monitor works ;p |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.07.10 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Glebitts
Originally by: AlleyKat Then I loaded Team Fortress 2 and...OMFG........I even stood in front of snipers and playfully strafed left and right just to see if any of them could get a headshot, or any kind of shot on me, to no avail and only added to the broadening smile across my face.
Someone doesn't understand how a monitor works ;p
iirc he is also one of those "mac" people |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.10 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Glebitts Someone doesn't understand how a monitor works ;p
Please explain. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.10 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias iirc he is also one of those "mac" people
You recall incorrectly sir. |
Dan Glebitts
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Posted - 2011.07.10 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Dan Glebitts Someone doesn't understand how a monitor works ;p
Please explain.
A monitor does not give you any advantage over an opponent, It allows you to 'potentially' see a cleaner crisper image. That 'cleaner, crisper' image does not in anyway reduce your opponents ability to smash you into tiny pieces. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.10 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Glebitts
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Dan Glebitts Someone doesn't understand how a monitor works ;p
Please explain.
A monitor does not give you any advantage over an opponent, It allows you to 'potentially' see a cleaner crisper image. That 'cleaner, crisper' image does not in anyway reduce your opponents ability to smash you into tiny pieces.
That particular monitor is the lowest input lag monitor in existence - I cannot convey how utterly godly it made me feel when using it in Team Fortress 2, everything I did was instant and the reactions of the other players were playing second fiddle to my uberness thanks to this unassailable speed.
Remember at the end of The Matrix, when Ne0 could 'see' the Matrix and was deflecting the blows Agent Smith was dealing him? It's like that, only better.
The monitor hasn't been picked up yet, and I just played a round of TF2 on the LP2475W, which has half the Hz and 5-6 times the input lag and it was just dreadful in comparison...so much so that I nearly unpacked the BenQ again and thought about switching my ordering for a third time.
If you think I'm talking crap, that's your choice - if in doubt, try one for yourself and I will give you 1 Billion isk if your FPS stats do not go up, those monitors are the absolute best there is for FPS and I cannot recommend one highly enough if that is all you do.
Sadly, most people need an all rounder and that is where that monitor falls down flat and cannot get up - it literally brings tears to my eyes to see a monitor go from hero-to-zero just by doing something 'normal' like browsing or working in After Effects where the quality just plummets.
So - the HP LP2475w is gonna go back and I'm gonna take a look at the HP ZR24w, which has roughly 10ms input lag but is still an IPS monitor, hopefully it'll be the halfway house I need prior to a 120hz IPS 16:10 landing on the market...
AK
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.10 18:17:00 -
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Now you sound like someone who is selling 120hz monitors. Seriously. The difference between a 5ms and a 2ms monitor does not suddenly make it any easier for you to strafetaunt enemies in TF2. Infact, it's probably the surge of new players now that it's F2P and said sniper was just ****. End of, a 120hz monitor does not increase your own reaction or response times. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.07.10 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Now you sound like someone who is selling 120hz monitors. Seriously. The difference between a 5ms and a 2ms monitor does not suddenly make it any easier for you to strafetaunt enemies in TF2. Infact, it's probably the surge of new players now that it's F2P and said sniper was just ****. End of, a 120hz monitor does not increase your own reaction or response times.
I can't speak for every 120 Hz monitor, all I know is this particular monitor has the lowest input lag. The difference between the BenQ and the HP is very noticeable and there were two snipers, not one, but two snipers that could not get a shot. This was on stage 1 of Goldrush. I was on red team using a demolition character and was strafing at the exit of the bottleneck tunnel on the first point. One of the snipers was at the first ridge and the other was inside the base on the far left door from my perspective.
It's not a case of my personal reaction times, but being able to act and react to on screen action at speeds I had never ever been able to before, and to my knowledge these snipers were not new players as it wasn't on one of the auto-servers and they were getting shots and kills throughout the game.
I've been playing that game for years and the difference is very real. Like I say, try this monitor out and you will be impressed - but you will also yearn for better quality when not gaming.
AK
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.10 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 10/07/2011 19:06:47 Then there were two **** snipers. What you experienced inside your own mind is nothing more than a placebo effect. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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