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Gen Sheridan
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:54:00 -
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Hey all. I've noticed that the past few weeks I have been roaming around lowsec Dramiels seem to be everywhere. I've been flying mainly rifters, but have been looking to step it up and break out the AFs.
What I am basically looking for are AF setups that can kill the Dramiel.
I've heard that the Ishkur is a good choice and I am curious if the Jag is capable of taking it down.
If people come throw me some EFT fits for taking down a Dram in a AF that would be awesome.
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.08 03:10:00 -
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Daredevil is allegedly a pretty good Dramiel killer, but I've never flown either, so I can't really say for sure.
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.07.08 03:42:00 -
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Assuming it's a dual prop dramiel you'd be looking at a harpy to kill them reliably. That being said most of the assault frigates can put up a good fight against dramiels. Daredevils can kill them. Cruors should be able to do the job. Sometimes hookbills and hawks can beat a dramiel assuming dual web fits.
I've heard of good players using slicers to kill dramiels as well.
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Xiozor
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:06:00 -
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Sentinel. |
TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:21:00 -
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The problem with sentinels is that a dramiel can shoot the drones with its capless, tracking bonused guns. You're also hoping that the dramiel doesn't get in range right at the start of a fight. Plus a sentinel is paper thin and has pretty terrible dps so you'll need quite a bit of time. Also cap problems.
Not saying it can't be done but it's difficult. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:18:00 -
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Hookbill. |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:46:00 -
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Versus a competent Dramiel? Anything with about 200 dps and a web. If you fit mwd and overheat scram when it tries to pull range you can hopefully pulse your mwd to keep it in range in the tiny window where his scram turns off before yours does (hopefully).
Fortunately there are a lot of incompetent Dramiel pilots |
Zen Guerrilla
Minmatar Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:21:00 -
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Rail Comet works pretty well. Still a competent dramiel pilot will kill pretty much every other frig or disengage and run if things don't work out for him.
The problem isn't really so much killing dramiels, it's holding them down until they die. |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:35:00 -
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Killing dualprop dram is easy in most "good" afs /ish, jag.../ - if they are ab+web+scram fit. If the dramiel is skirmish fit with ab+web+scram or even armor tank with additional td /or doublewebs/... hm, get daredevil. |
Sevena Black
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:51:00 -
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I'm going to give an answer some may consider "dishonourable":
Get a friend to tag along with a cloaked rapier. Most Dramiel pilots will not engage ships that "may" destroy it. It's too expensive for big gambles. When he engages your single AF, uncloak the rapier and web him. |
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:29:00 -
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You really don't need a rapier to get a dramiel kill tbh, and if he notices it jumping in then you won't get a fight at all, which is boring for everyone. |
Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:09:00 -
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I know it is a bit pricey but a daredevil with a long point and faction web kills a dram every time. Any other frig the dram will be able to disengage and run unless the pilot is an idiot. |
Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:38:00 -
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One name - Vengeance mwhahaha.... |
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy The Phoenix. Consortium
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:22:00 -
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Good AF pilots can pull it off. Pilot experience is much more important when taking down a Dramiel than the ship itself.
I use an AB scram/web armor repping Ishkur. Kills most dual prop (fail) Drams. Good dramiels have an ab and a web, which is absolutely devastating to AFs. |
Frankie iCoRy
Minmatar Stir Crazy Research and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.07.09 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bluejacket CT most dual prop (fail) Drams. Good dramiels have an ab and a web, which is absolutely devastating to AFs.
word |
Mysteriax
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.07.09 17:47:00 -
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A good cruor can give a dram a run for its money. Neut and web strenght bonus. You only need to use of of those bonusses :) |
praznimrak
Gallente Level Up
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Posted - 2011.07.11 14:00:00 -
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Hi all. Some of you did (maybe) see my youtube videos where mostly i do fly frigs. I did find out that best frig to kill drmiels is.....HOOKBILL. YES.A standard dual prop dramiel is easy killed by pasiv armour,dual web,scram and tracking disruptor hookbill. I did kill plenty of drams,cose i just hate ppl flying them. try it your self or if not trusting look for me on killboards and see dose it works Praz
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.11 14:19:00 -
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The trick is not killing them, but making them want engage at point blank where escape is hardest.
Most AFs and faction frigs with anti-Dram reputations will never nail anything but noobs-with-ISK, and to kill those you can probably get away with a regular T1 frig so 'meh'.
The navy frigs can kill them easily enough if you "know" them intimately and are often considered 'soft targets' by Dramiels making them engage head-on .. its bait with a built-in trap
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.07.11 14:52:00 -
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I have engaged a few Dramiels using a dual-web Hookbill as well, and this seems to have worked out well for me. I tend to pop the drones first to kill a chunk of the DPS then hold them down and overload the launchers.
I wouldn't engage one in my standard Sentinel fit as is has zero tank, but an MSE fit might stand a chance. Using tracking speed disruption will help keep your drones alive. Kinda. Okay, not really. If you can't neut his speed off in time, the Dram can pull range and pop them easily.
As far as AFs go, no idea. Maybe the Ishkur, since you can load up on neuts in the high slots to kill his speed mods and let drones deal the damage.
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Smabs
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Posted - 2011.07.11 15:03:00 -
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Think more along the lines of caldari assault frigates with two webs if you want to ensure kills on dramiels.
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Candace Lenso
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Posted - 2011.07.12 05:20:00 -
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Helios obviously.
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Sanguine Belroth
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Posted - 2011.07.12 09:19:00 -
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http://wensley.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10007774
Enyo can kill them. Like has been said. It's a matter of catching them really. Which will come down to craftiness and pilot skill. They are the Vaga of the frigate world. Alot of idiots fly them because they are the most forgiving, in that you can usually run away.
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Ghost Nightmare
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Posted - 2011.07.12 09:47:00 -
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A well fit navy slicer brutalises dual prop shield extended drams. (Slaved armor drams with webs are a different story)
Burn away, as they burn towards you, overheat to get more time start shooting at 24km, by the time they scram you their shield is down, switch to multifreq and melt them.
if he tries to burn away you can usually chase after him and **** him up with scorch before he evades completely
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Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente PonyWaffe Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.07.12 21:22:00 -
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With the dram it depends on the fit and the pilots skill.
if its a dual prop, kiting fit then the dram pilot has to make a mistake for you to catch him and he wants you to chase him so he can kite you with barrage/drones (same basic tactic vaga and cynabal pilots use).
a competent dram pilot wont get in web range of a DD or hookbill (they usually wont even engage one solo)
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Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente PonyWaffe Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.07.12 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu One name - Vengeance mwhahaha....
A Vengence wont likely catch one, but on that same note a dramiel probably wont break a vengence tank either(ive seen some faction fit veng tank BC/HACs for quite some time).
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.07.12 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Nightmare A well fit navy slicer brutalises dual prop shield extended drams.
Properly flown dualprop dram just executes slicers. Once the scram is applied and ab on, slicer wont land a single good hit. And since dram is like 2,5k/s faster than slicer, there is no problem with landing scram.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar Faction Warriors 411
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Posted - 2011.07.13 00:55:00 -
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Good day:
Last night, three Amarrian played well in a mission plex limited to T1 and faction frigates. They were in Punishers. When I went in with my slicer, the got me on the button, kiting slicer that scrammed equal dead slicer. Silly me went back thinking I saw that they only had 1 web among them and 2 TD's for ewar. My dramiel was soon under three web's, and even though I was AFB fit, was dead before I got one of the Punisher's into medium structure.
The dramiel is a nice ship, but with planning, it can be killed like any other.
BTW, in other choices, had a large fleet not landed on my Taranis a short while back, I would have had a Dramiel pilot... thankfully, their fleet didn't go for extra points, and I was off.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info
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Esops Naari
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Posted - 2011.07.19 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Versus a competent Dramiel? Anything with about 200 dps and a web. If you fit mwd and overheat scram when it tries to pull range you can hopefully pulse your mwd to keep it in range in the tiny window where his scram turns off before yours does (hopefully).
Fortunately there are a lot of incompetent Dramiel pilots
^ Basically this.
To kill a dram, you have to: Get in range Scram and Web
If you can achieve this: Kill drones Kill Dram
T1 Cruisers with webs work well obviously, if he let's you get in range. Sentinel's and Ishkur's can work well against drams. Use EMP.
Pilot skill means everything. I cannot exaggerate this enough. |
TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.07.19 12:58:00 -
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You don't really need to kill the drones. The dramiel only has three of them, most of its dps is from the autocannons and it dies too fast for drones to matter.
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Kraal Jarik
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Posted - 2011.07.19 22:32:00 -
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Nobody has mentioned a neut/webbing Wolf... Seems to me that would be a great choice. Yes/no?
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