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Spenser for Hire
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:34:00 -
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Yesterday I read a post by a player who said that ever since the Revolution he hasnÆt felt much like playing EVE anymore.
As I read his post I had to admit that I have been feeling the same way since the Revolution. As a matter of fact I just cancelled my main account (the one I pay with cash) simply because I too havenÆt felt much like logging in or playing. I PLEXed it a few hours later though.
As I drifted in Jita on those fateful days, watching players vent their frustration, their outrage, their opposition to Pay2Win, I realized that I felt the same way. Of all the mmoÆs on the market, EVE is unique because EVE is a sandbox, the goals within the EVE universe are meaningful. Unlike those other games where at any given level all the characters are exactly the same, in EVE knowledge matters, decisions matter, and achievements feel like achievements. Pay2Win would destroy the best thing about EVE, the fact that the in game goals feel meaningful.
After the Revolution, I didnÆt log in much, to be honest it felt as though EVE were broken, and as I already said, I canceled my account, thinking that I wouldnÆt be playing the game anymore, then I plexÆd it. If I had to describe my feelings about EVE right now, IÆd say, I feel confused. IÆm ready to leave because of Pay2Win, but I want to keep playing.
I think everyone, Rebels, Dev-Alts, you Villagers with your torches and pitchforks, and especially CCP need to admit that recent events have been a little more stressful and traumatic than one would expect considering that its all been about a video game.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:39:00 -
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So, you wanted to say, "I have a bad feeling about this" ? Or, you believe CCP actually said "I have altered the deal, pray that I do not alter it any further" and you're feeling sad about it ? Well, you know what ? "Never tell me the odds" !!! |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:44:00 -
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In the last year, CCP has gone from being my favourite Games Company to one of my least favourite. Their direction, attitude and handling of the last months worth of fiasco has only made the separation easier. |
Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 08/07/2011 15:53:00
Yes, I can relate to this. I did resub (non-recurring), but I barely log in to the game. Only to set a new skill... which happened once. Currently I check the forums more than any other element of the game. And even that gives me a bad taste in the mouth. Why do I keep doing this?
I guess you could say that I've lost my uNF to play. I hardly logon and yeah, the energy/willpower to play is gone.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:52:00 -
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Hey, CCP. Listen. Please. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 08/07/2011 15:57:17
You guys are soooo mainstream. I was filled with ennui regarding EVE for over a year now.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.07.08 15:58:00 -
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To be honest sense the "event" I havent felt like playing - Ive logged in a a couple times to update my skill queue.
I was playing a couple hours a day.
I havent really sorted out of a rational here - I just havent been enthused about playing since the all the sh!t went done. |
Valarian Blacksun
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:04:00 -
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dont think, dont do,dont question
buy monocoles, dress barbie doll, play old missions with old ships
Feed ccp, play new vampire-twilight mmo, forget eve.
Eve is dying, and the players that support this MT is helping CCP load the gun |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Valarian Blacksun dont think, dont do,dont question
buy monocoles, dress barbie doll, play old missions with old ships
Feed ccp, play new vampire-twilight mmo, forget eve.
Eve is dying, and the players that support this MT is helping CCP load the gun
You keep referencing twilight. That's like calling AD&D a copy of Harry Potter. Its like saying Led Zepplin stole the song "When the Levy Breaks" from The Beastie Boys. Your ignorance on the subject is amusing TBH. Please continue to troll CCP with money you paid to them either directly or indirectly so that I might receive some chuckles with my subscription. Thank you. |
Neolithic Man
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:34:00 -
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Yeah, I haven't logged in much either since then... Eve just doesn't feel the same anymore, it's hard to explain.
I guess the protests just gave me a sense of the game's mortality. It won't be around forever. I'd be surprised if it still exists in 5-6 years. It certainly seems to have gotten past its prime now.
Somehow, knowing that the game is probably nearing the end of its life doesn't really make me want to put any effort into it anymore. Why bother? |
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Chiggy W
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:43:00 -
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I know exactly how you feel. I used to love CCP, I mean really love them, but somewhere along the way they went really wrong, and this last two weeks have destroyed what little love I still held onto for them. The 18 months fiasco cost them 2 of my three accounts, and this one will be next. 6 months left of gametime that I will use, but CCP will never see another penny from me.
I was hoping that the reaction from the customer base would make them reconsider, but they have decided to press on regardless. So long CCP, subscribed for over 6 years and now I'm gone. |
SMX
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: SMX on 08/07/2011 16:44:56 It just feels wrong to be paying for a "full" or "premium" service when you do not have access to all the content without paying even more.
I've always kept myself to only playing one game that requires a monthly subscription and that has been EVE for the last 4 years, I guess I need to start looking for a new game now... |
Das Oskold 2
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:44:00 -
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I know what you mean, I haven't felt like playing ever since. |
Marabel Naari
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:48:00 -
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The protest in essence was about something that is not even in game. Which meant that the protesters really were doomed from the start. You were basically playing what I call the could of, should of, would of game with your emotions. Getting all worked up about what might happen in the future is not going to leave you happy. Especially because CCP is a company that needs to explore all options about its products. You guys were asking them to promise something they can't promise. If CCP goes out of business because of some promise they made to the players then where does that put EVE?
On the other hand, EVE Online is a quite old for an MMO however it still feels far more alive then most it's age. Doesn't feel like its dying to me. Maybe you just need a new game? The longest I can play an MMO is usually about 5 years... after that I become so jaded and unhappy it is just not worth logging in anymore. |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:56:00 -
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Quote: The protest in essence was about something that is not even in game.
There is no MT store in Incarna?
See, a lot of people were (rightfully) upset because a representative of CCP (Zulu) said that there was no plan to move to MT. One year later there was an MT store.
A lot of us were upset about the implications of that scenario combined with the leaked documents and what it meant for the future of eve. That part wasn't "in the game" yet but was a HUGE part of it.
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Valarian Blacksun
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Valarian Blacksun dont think, dont do,dont question
buy monocoles, dress barbie doll, play old missions with old ships
Feed ccp, play new vampire-twilight mmo, forget eve.
Eve is dying, and the players that support this MT is helping CCP load the gun
You keep referencing twilight. That's like calling AD&D a copy of Harry Potter. Its like saying Led Zepplin stole the song "When the Levy Breaks" from The Beastie Boys. Your ignorance on the subject is amusing TBH. Please continue to troll CCP with money you paid to them either directly or indirectly so that I might receive some chuckles with my subscription. Thank you.
Well if you wanna go ape**** playing a vampire in a mmo then go ****nut about it, but I like CCP to focus on this game. You know EVE online ? thats what people are ****ed about.
Thats like saying that its ok for a company that makes Cars to add extra charges to your service plan, then telling you they will stop their annual service becouse they are using that money to build a Tractor for the Downs kid next door.
See the difference? i dont want to pay for the costs of adding MT to my game instead of new contant so they can spend it on crap i dont care about.
like "world of darkness"
And really, do you honestly think ccp has not gone so money hungry they wont try to capitalize on the emo vampire kids? ehhehe |
RAW23
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 08/07/2011 16:00:40
You guys are soooo mainstream. I was filled with ennui regarding EVE for over a year now.
Akita was ****ed off before it was cool!
Akita T - Leading the way since the Great Tech Buff of 2009! |
RAW23
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Marabel Naari The protest in essence was about something that is not even in game.
There was a protest in essence? I thought they were confined to jita and amarr.
Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week! |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Valarian Blacksun dont think, dont do,dont question
buy monocoles, dress barbie doll, play old missions with old ships
Feed ccp, play new vampire-twilight mmo, forget eve.
Eve is dying, and the players that support this MT is helping CCP load the gun
QFT (except the bit about the old ships, we don't need new ships, just some rebalancing.) |
Ana Vyr
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:14:00 -
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This all came about because CCP took their eye off the ball and started focusing on making a big game company as opposed to a big game. Somewhere along the line we stopped becoming citizen of the EvE universe, and became the golden goose. Did CCP grow up and become practical, or did they just get greedy? Good question. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Akita T You guys are soooo mainstream. I was filled with ennui regarding EVE for over a year now.
Akita was ****ed off before it was cool! Akita T - Leading the way since the Great Tech Buff of 2009!
And now I'm all "meh, MT, who cares", just like most of the rest will be in 1-2 years from now... ...dammit, they're mainstreaming me ! |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:22:00 -
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Quote: Thats like saying that its ok for a company that makes Cars to add extra charges to your service plan, then telling you they will stop their annual service becouse they are using that money to build a Tractor for the Downs kid next door.
EvE is not stopping any service that you agreed to when you entered into a legal contract with them, nor are they requiring you to purchase more.
Every car manufacturer on the planet uses the money from their current product to develop future product, and offers more than one tier of service.
Excellent analogy. |
Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones Its like saying Led Zepplin stole the song "When the Levy Breaks" from The Beastie Boys.
They may not have stolen it form the Beastie Boys but they did steal it.
But I get your point. |
Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.08 18:04:00 -
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CCP seems to have forgotten one of the key principles behind the game design of EVE: Investment. Eve's gameplay is almost totally about investments the Players make within the game.
The other day a thread was started asking "why pvp" - the only real answer is, "because you can blow up another person's investment". Losing ships, in EVE, has meaning. Why do players spend 10's of billions on T2BPOs? Well most probably do it for a sense of accomplishment, but they justify it because they can earn a profit after years of production. Why do players spend hours forming up fleets? That's an investment of time in the hopes to blow up someone else's investment in time.
Remember the age of Learning Skills? While I support their removal - they were a clear indicator of what EVE was about: investment. Removing the learning skills was a great move because it removed a huge barrier to entry for new players - but at the same time it removed the one true "tutorial" that has ever existed in EVE. If a player couldn't understand the value of learning skills, or couldn't get past the idea of investing in them, they weren't going to fare well in the game.
Now CCP introduces MT. MT is the very definition of something that bypasses the entire "investment scheme" of the game. It isn't surprising that players feel little desire to log into a game when most of the game play is an investment towards the Potential that EVE has. |
Garekell
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Posted - 2011.07.08 18:33:00 -
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I agree... I unsub'ed two of my three accounts during 'riot week', then decided if the CSM/CCP summit went well I would activate them again.
When their statements were put out, and were so weak in substance, I decided to wait a week or two and see if CCP 'got it'.
Seeing the blog today on why they are pricing things the way they are for the vanity store, I decided to not re-sub.
One week later and the just plow on with ruining 'my game'. |
Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.07.08 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 08/07/2011 18:46:05 I'd have titled this Post Incarna Stress Disorder or PIS(se)D for short.
On topic though: I'm still subscribed to EVE but I no longer play. And I know it shouldn't, but the "event" has also affected my opinion of Iceland for some reason, I no longer want to go there. Irrational I know. |
Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.07.08 18:47:00 -
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The game is still the same. Nothing has changed. If your bored now then you probably was bored before but just didn't want to admit it. The reason for this empty feeling are simple.. the so called revolution was a giant failure.. your where all like lemmings running out from a cliff believing that CCP the evil gaming corp had evil plans..you bought all the rumors about P2Win etc but there was nothing.. CCP had no plans for this, you been trolled by your self. To be honest.. if your weren't like lemmings and had been reading the source information with unclouded eyes you would have seen this and you would like me be amused by the insanity that was displayed. I've never thought EVE would hold so much stupid people.. i thought they all where left in WOW.. i was wrong :(
Personally I don't give a crap about this stuff.. i have the time of my eve life.. going around shooting stuff.. i don't need anything in the NeX shop.. and no one is forcing me to buy anything. CCP made it clear where they stand on game altering MT ****.. and its clear that they don't want to have that kind of stuff in EVE..even CCP Soundwave made that clear in a forum post and thats its fine by me. Its not free to run this kind of MMO and keep updating it with new content and stuff. CCP needs to find ways to make those money plus making new products in case EVE one day dies.. thats how company's work..
The world outside of EVE is changing.. its not 2003 anymore.. and CCP is not and cannot be the same company as it used to be.. because then we wouldn't be where we are today..and that would be bad..mkay? CCP needs to adapt to the world around it.. and we must let them do it..it will mean changes and we need to adapt to it to. We must trust that CCP knows whats best for EVE and with the help of CSM/forums we can let them know a bit more about what we want and doesn't want in the game.
Anyway.. if you bored in EVE..find something new to do in EVE.. if your in hisec.. goto nullsec or lowsec.. or vise versa.. try something new.. join a new corp or alliance.. EVE has much to offer.. and Jita is for market alts.. |
Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.07.08 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Brujo Loco on 08/07/2011 19:03:28
Originally by: Ltd SpacePig The game is still the same. Nothing has changed. If your bored now then you probably was bored before but just didn't want to admit it. The reason for this empty feeling are simple.. the so called revolution was a giant failure.. your where all like lemmings running out from a cliff believing that CCP the evil gaming corp had evil plans..you bought all the rumors about P2Win etc but there was nothing.. CCP had no plans for this, you been trolled by your self. To be honest.. if your weren't like lemmings and had been reading the source information with unclouded eyes you would have seen this and you would like me be amused by the insanity that was displayed. I've never thought EVE would hold so much stupid people.. i thought they all where left in WOW.. i was wrong :(
Personally I don't give a crap about this stuff.. i have the time of my eve life.. going around shooting stuff.. i don't need anything in the NeX shop.. and no one is forcing me to buy anything. CCP made it clear where they stand on game altering MT ****.. and its clear that they don't want to have that kind of stuff in EVE..even CCP Soundwave made that clear in a forum post and thats its fine by me. Its not free to run this kind of MMO and keep updating it with new content and stuff. CCP needs to find ways to make those money plus making new products in case EVE one day dies.. thats how company's work..
The world outside of EVE is changing.. its not 2003 anymore.. and CCP is not and cannot be the same company as it used to be.. because then we wouldn't be where we are today..and that would be bad..mkay? CCP needs to adapt to the world around it.. and we must let them do it..it will mean changes and we need to adapt to it to. We must trust that CCP knows whats best for EVE and with the help of CSM/forums we can let them know a bit more about what we want and doesn't want in the game.
Anyway.. if you bored in EVE..find something new to do in EVE.. if your in hisec.. goto nullsec or lowsec.. or vise versa.. try something new.. join a new corp or alliance.. EVE has much to offer.. and Jita is for market alts..
ITT CCP Apologist
Yeah you signed the Munich Pact with CCP you bad Neville Chamberlain impersonator, good for you man. Want a Captain Obvious cloak with those remarks?
Problem is even at this stage people fail to realize the inner meanings of much of what has happened and those that get them, despite people explaining the obvious effects on gravity that everyone understands, keep forgetting the real issue at hand.
Go my friend, play and have the time of your life, hope your Imaginary Maginot line doesnt get overrun ever, really, since the word from people, is golden in your ears/eyes.
Peace and all that nonsense to you
PD: I have a bridge of my own I want to sell to you, want it? cheap |
Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.08 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 08/07/2011 19:22:43
There are psychological ramifications involved not much different from deciding if you want to stay with you significant other or not after catching him/her in a lie or cheating.
-The "Fearless" newsletter. -The leaked CEO email. -The less than inspiring dev blogs. -The articles by the gaming press.
Sure you can "kiss and make-up" but that wont change the facts that you were put through a "virtual" hell wondering what was to become of your home away from home a.k.a "EVE Online." It's something akin to "falling out of love" after your partner has put you through an emotional crisis.
I mean sure, you can stay together for the kids but the "magic" is over.
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Mimimko
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Posted - 2011.07.08 22:14:00 -
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^this, I was thinking of using romantic relationships as an analogy but you beat me to it. Basically this whole debacle is stressful in of itself, and if a player wasn't feeling super excited about the game itself to begin with this is too much. Thus, even if they removed NeX completely not everyone who unsubbed would resub.
Not to mention all the people who see this as some kind of war between players and CCP over EVE. Need I remind you that EVE online is a game, but also a service that CCP offers to you in exchange for profit. Barring a contract they can change their offer any time, and you can drop your subscription for any reason, including irrational ones.
Personally I still have some faith in CCP, at least with the CSM meeting, and I do feel a rather annoyed that all of the Doom & Gloom.
A rant: It's true that Pay2Win would harm EVE, however most of those arguments are the "slippery slope" type, which generally come off as faulty and irritating.
Also please note that when a person or corporation says A and does B that is lying, when a person or corporation says A, does A, then CHANGES THEIR MINDS says B and does B that is NOT lying. It seems to me CCP originally hated the idea of MT, but changed their minds within the last year.
The Fearless newsletter: The official position is that this isn't an official part of the plan. The newsletter was simply putting ideas down on paper. Of course if you want to believe the company taking your money are lying bastards you're going to prefer the idea that "Greed is Good" is the truth they failed to hide.
Hilmar E-mail: It's interesting to note that this is the one point where CSM still hates on it. It's damn cynical either way you look at it. It's true that actions are more important than words, and that there are people somewhere who have a problem with everything, but the the reaction is more negative than usual that still means something. But Hilmar didn't want the players doubts, legitimate or not, to affect the workers at CCP.
Emergency CSM: Obviously they're not completely blowing things off. At least a few employees spent two workdays holed up in there and they bought plane tickets for several people (I think). So they did honestly want to hear it. One might be thrown off by how friendly they seemed, or how they two sets of bullet points generally agreed. However this is AFTER the actual meeting. They aren't going to show a video of people screaming at each other, and if any two groups negotiate but can't agree then you cannot call the negotiations "productive". CSM cannot and did not determine the direction EVE will take, but if the bullet points are to be believed at least now CCP understands what they did wrong, it's not JUST the prices.
The definite highlight:
Originally by: CCP Navigator It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
Though admittedly "No plans currently or previously" doesn't mean there won't be plans in the far flung future, but for now CCP understands that "Pay2Win" is bad, regardless of how bad they want "Pay..." |
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