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Operator XIII
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Posted - 2011.07.11 01:47:00 -
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I cannot find any lab slots open to research or copy blueprints... like anywhere in high-sec... and I have Scientific Networking at 5... which leads to the topic of this post. Should I just give up on S&I until I manage to get access to a POS or a corp's station lab slots?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.11 02:19:00 -
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Copy slots are far from the only thing as far as S&I goes. Copy slots and ME research slots usually have long queues in most highsec NPC stations, sure, but you can always just queue it up or go for lowsec slots or low-population highsec areas. Highsec POS lab slots are "easiest" indeed, but it's relatively easy to get access to some - just buy a corp with the needed standings and put one up - once up, you no longer need the standings. Or you can always put one up in 0.3 or lower lowsec without the need for any standings. On the other hand, PE research, invention and manufacture slots are not very busy at all, even in highsec. Only right besides big trade hubs you might have problems finding some free. _
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Desigre
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 13:50:00 -
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How i got started originally on industry was set up small pos (Yes, very stupid of me) in lowsec (0.3). I had small tower, mobile lab, advanced lab and some guns in quiet lowsec system. Also had office in sayd system so i could launch research jobs remotely (need skill training for it). I ques i was lucky, none attacked that tower during the time i kept it up. Later i got bought corporation with standings and been having highsec pos ever since (Not small tower this time).
You do realise you can setup your job if your willing to wait? Que it up and it will eventually get done.
Also one bossibility is buy ready researched BPO packs, but not sure how profitable that is if your planning on manufacturing.
But as previous poster sayd, most highsec research lines are packed. So que and wait, or adventure in lowsec for shorter ques.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.11 14:22:00 -
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I started-out queuing jobs in hisec. On average it took about 9 days for a job to start.
Later, research runs to Curse in a covert ops ship were made, as there were lots of open slots there. It was sometimes a hazardous trip though, and detours had to be made to avoid large gate camps.
Anyways once researched, I did quite well making T1 items. In fact, I still do.
T2 industry really requires access to POS labs.
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Ginger Lovesponge
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Posted - 2011.07.11 15:03:00 -
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any particular reason why the above poster would say that small POS setup in hisec is a bad idea?
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Skorpynekomimi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 15:19:00 -
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Yup. Some BPOs will make a profit un-researched. You can buy researched BPCs from contracts, queue up a full set of runs, and sell the stuff.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.07.11 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T ...Or you can always put one up in 0.3 or lower lowsec without the need for any standings.
I thought 0.4 didn't require standings (anymore?) either? =========================
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Velicitia I thought 0.4 didn't require standings (anymore?) either?
I've not seen any mention of that, only the change of not requiring charters.
Originally by: Tyrannis Patch Notes Starbases, Outposts and Stations *0.4 solar systems no longer require charters for Starbases.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 11/07/2011 16:32:48 I have a large POS and still make more money from hisec S&I with no POS (usage).
Liang made me promise to not tell what I'm selling before he left tho, sorry. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:36:00 -
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The main bottleneck for T2 production without a POS is copying and ME/PE research. The latter can be solved by buying researched BPO's. Copying slots CAN be found, but it likely will involve quite some travel.
As an alternative you can setup a small POS temporarily just for copying, and take it down when you got enough copies (shouldn't take long).
Also, sometimes there are good deals on BPC packs. F.i. i bought a ****load of stabber bpc's (max run) for an extremely good price. Stock still hasn't run out
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Kiyirari
All Star Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:11:00 -
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If you require bpc's either complete racial ship class packs etc, etc or a 100 bpc module pack max run & i'll even throw in master copy bpc research to build T1 part... free of charge
Thats if ya wanna do invention stuff
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Desigre
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.12 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Lovesponge any particular reason why the above poster would say that small POS setup in hisec is a bad idea?
Two reason i think.
1. Standings requirement on anchoring pos tower, if you dont have it, corporation must have it. 2. If it turns out you like industry stuff and research in particularly, you will run out small towers capasity pretty quick. So i would recomend at least medium tower if your planning on having even few labs.
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Ginger Lovesponge
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Desigre
Originally by: Ginger Lovesponge any particular reason why the above poster would say that small POS setup in hisec is a bad idea?
Two reason i think.
1. Standings requirement on anchoring pos tower, if you dont have it, corporation must have it. 2. If it turns out you like industry stuff and research in particularly, you will run out small towers capasity pretty quick. So i would recomend at least medium tower if your planning on having even few labs.
isnt 3 labs enough for a one man outfit?
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:25:00 -
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I didn't see anyone say that a small hisec pos was a bad idea. Someone said a small lowsec POS was a bad idea, which it is - too easy to knock down.
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Ginger Lovesponge
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:37:00 -
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OK, so my current plan is to get a small 3 lab POS setup in hisec for t2 ship invention.
(i'd rather start small and fully utilise my POS while i get used to owning it than buying a larger POS and be undercapacity with larger fuel costs)
I was just planning to research and copy BPO's at the POS and do any production in station.
I read in a few places that for invention it is worth it if i build at a POS, is this a neccesity or can i build at station like i planned and still be successful?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.12 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Lovesponge I read in a few places that for invention it is worth it if i build at a POS, is this a neccesity or can i build at station like i planned and still be successful?
You can build T2 modules and rigs faster at a POS, but nobody builds T2 ships at a POS since it requires more materials.
I think it costs me about 150k to submit a month long T2 build job at a NPC station, so it really isn't that much.
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Ginger Lovesponge
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:22:00 -
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im just thinking about this...
is 4 copy slots enough for me in a 1 man band operation?
as after i get the few BPO's to a decent level of ME/PE i can just constantly get that running off copies that i can invent/build from.
im trying to see what combinations of mobile lab, advanced lab & hyasyoda lab i should go for, (one of each looks nice)
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Anachronic
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Anachronic on 12/07/2011 17:37:18
Originally by: Ginger Lovesponge im just thinking about this...
is 4 copy slots enough for me in a 1 man band operation?
as after i get the few BPO's to a decent level of ME/PE i can just constantly get that running off copies that i can invent/build from.
im trying to see what combinations of mobile lab, advanced lab & hyasyoda lab i should go for, (one of each looks nice)
4 copy slots may be enough if that's all you plan on using. At times you may want more or less depending on where the bottleneck in your operation is with respect to flow from input to output. If genereating BPCs is the plane where you happen to be lagging then you may need to have more copy slots in use than 4. Also make sure you know what the number of BPOs that you have/are going to have is. Also, the mobile vs Advanced labs is dependeant on what you need to be able to do with them. ---------------------------- Outta my way... |
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