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oolk
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:26:00 -
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probably not enough arum to do anything with anyways,so....
ITS A TARP \O/
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Rion Deteisan
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:29:00 -
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Quote: ôWhat, exactly, you'll be able to spend your virtual money on is yet to be decided.ö
"There are no plans, and have been no plans to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."
Why do I feel these 2 statements work perfectly with one another?
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Harcosi So the $60 will be the price for the poor bastards that have crappy internet and will get double slugged a fee to play?
Poor bastards that have crappy internet should probably not play an MT-based MMOFPS.
And where are you getting that $60 price? Sounds more like some retail outfit is making unfounded assumptionsà
Some people have a good connection, good download speed, but have a small download limit. Not everyone in the world has unlimited, uncapped internet.
The price comes from Tutskii's post in this thread.
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Read the rest of my post. Sony's networks won't be used for Dust 514. If you're so worried about credit card information being leaked, use a pre-paid PSN card to purchase your stuff. That's what I've been doing. No hassle, and no sensitive information involved.
Meh, no mouse, no care.
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Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:30:00 -
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am i missing something or confused?
aur is used by dusties. aur has to be paid to dusties by alliances for sov. alliances have to buy plex's to convert to aur to pay dusties. alliances are pushing the prices up to pay for sov.
and this is ok with everyone?
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/07/2011 16:33:13 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/07/2011 16:32:33 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/07/2011 16:31:30
Originally by: Harcosi Meh, no mouse, no care.
It's Move compatible.
Originally by: Smoking Blunts am i missing something or confused?
aur is used by dusties. aur has to be paid to dusties by alliances for sov. alliances have to buy plex's to convert to aur to pay dusties. alliances are pushing the prices up to pay for sov.
and this is ok with everyone?
ISK is the primary currency for Dust. Aurum is only used if someone exchanges real money for it.
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Shasz
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:32:00 -
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Quote: "We have some initial assumptions but we'll put it out there and see how the player base during the trials reacts to it," CCP said.
Oh man - I hope that's only in the beta "trials", otherwise Dust514 is going to flop with that kind of pre-planning.
Your MMO crowd, typically very loyal and resilient to "let's try it" types of launches, reacted very poorly to how CCP launched NeX and Incarna. If they launch Dust514 with the same kind of half-empty, poorly planned style that they have a track record of, FPS console players will turn away fast and never look back.
Don't blow it CCP. |
Glyken Touchon
Gallente Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Harcosi This doesn't make sense, the pre-order price is listed as $60
That's because the pre-order is nonsense. It's a PSN downloadable.
So the $60 will be the price for the poor bastards that have crappy internet and will get double slugged a fee to play?
Or for dumb people/fanbois. A more probable, realistic answer would be that Best Buy is taking a wild swing at what the cost will be and missing spectacularly. "it's a new computer game, and they sell for about 50 bucks, right?" If people actually pay it, more fool them.
With CCP's track record, I wouldn't recommend pre-ordering it anyway- just wait until release and have other people make sure the game works first. ______ Tippia's analysis of NEX/Incarna |
Smoking Blunts
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:35:00 -
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ok so aur isnt/wont be used by dusties?
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Ans Blix
Amarr Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:35:00 -
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old new is very old... uploaded on the 13th of June. Said the exact same thing.... Hell there's an activation fee for Eve online
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBDxkYsJKjg&feature=channel_video_title ------------------------------------ - Ans Blix The battle of Will over Reason
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi Some people have a good connection, good download speed, but have a small download limit. Not everyone in the world has unlimited, uncapped internet.
àwhich means they should probably stay away from net-delivered games, especially since that's how the updates will be delivered.
Quote: The price comes from Tutskii's post in this thread.
So, a retailer making unfounded assumptions then. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:40:00 -
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Looks like CCP are taking a leaf out of World Of Tanks strategies... That isn't going so well at the moment. |
Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:46:00 -
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I wouldn't take the Best Buy price as gospel.
It is common for items to have placeholder prices if the developer has not given them concrete information. It does point that they have received information about a boxed version for sale, however minimal, however.
And, the price may always be adjusted.
Other similar games (although non MT based) do seem to launch at the 60 price point, (like mag and socom!) but for a game with the quality and features of DUST, this would likely be a "very bad idea".
Even if the downloaded version was eventually free, I'd count that the boxed version would still have a price because.. well making that stuff consts money.
However, I'm sure that this is a game that you'll see in the "heavily discounted" bin next before too long. But really, what I want to say is that "No non vanity MT's" is the only line worth defending. |
Bullyboutya
Minmatar Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:53:00 -
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LMAO Who do you thing is going to play Dust the Wii COD crowd lol nope. I've been playing EVE for the last 30 days yes I'm a newb for now. I was play a game called MAG on the PS3(It has the same concept as Dust)Most of that gamer base is adults. Who are Anti COD players the player base for MAG is very team oriented.
The forum on MAG is how I heard of EVE and Dust that's all the talk over there. I'm telling you right now COD, BF, MOH all those shooters I just mentioned have the same concept.
Those players will not play Dust and thank god. The one thing I tell everyone who wants to play EVE is you have to be some type of an intellectual person. Dust will attract teambased players who like having their actions make an effect on the larger scale.
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.07.11 16:57:00 -
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I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into. You people are the greedy ones not CCP. Expecting everything for free? Come on! You buy the game for $20! And then that gets converted to Aurum or ISK where you can buy some tanks and stuff. This game sounds like a deal! Screw paying $60 for Modern Warfare 2 and then fighting the same fights over and over again. I get to buy DUST for $20 and then play in a persistent MMO world where my battles mean something to free? Hell yeah! And if I want to grind less or get some in game advantage I pay some more RL money? I'm ok with that because that is how other F2P work. ------------------------------------------
CEO and Major Shareholder of the APEX Conglomerate Producer of Starsi brand softdrinks and Torped-Os! brand cereal as well as many other fine products |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 11/07/2011 17:08:52
Originally by: Cloora I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into.
They're not. They're just laughing their asses off at CCP calling it "free".
As someone said in the comments: it's free in the same sense as buying a $13k car is free ù sure, you pay $13k, but they throw in a $13k car! ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Lord Meriak
Amarr Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:06:00 -
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It's a trap
Why pay now when it may be free :D to play
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Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cloora I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into.
They're not. They're just laughing their asses off that CCP is calling it "free".
Where did CCP say it was going to be "free"? They said that it was going to initially cost money, and then they might change to a F2P model later if it is to their advantage. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Where did CCP say it was going to be "free"?
In the fanfest presentations, iirc. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 11/07/2011 17:21:04
Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 11/07/2011 17:08:52
Originally by: Cloora I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into.
They're not. They're just laughing their asses off at CCP calling it "free".
As someone said in the comments: it's free in the same sense as buying a $13k car is free ù sure, you pay $13k, but they throw in a $13k car!
When you buy a car, the car just sits there until you pony up some money for gas.
So a more accurate analogy would be that you spend your $13k and get $13k worth of gas. Not quite as silly now eh?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:39:00 -
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I am simply livid that a game company plans to charge for their game. Having seen many iniquitous and awful things in my life, this is easily the most iniquitousest and awfulish.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:49:00 -
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So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.
Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?
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Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.07.11 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Taedrin Where did CCP say it was going to be "free"?
In the fanfest presentations, iirc.
Ah, that would explain it, I still haven't bothered to watch any of the FF videos. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 So a more accurate analogy would be that you spend your $13k and get $13k worth of gas. Not quite as silly now eh?
It's still just as silly if someone tries to claim that the gas is free.
Originally by: Mister Smithington So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.
Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?
Nah. It's the standard pay-to-play MT business model. What he warned against was trying to do the same to players who already pay a subscription fee. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Langoss
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:03:00 -
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wot is free -> dust 514 will be fail
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Smithington So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.
Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?
Are you paying a subscription fee for Dust? No. That is the F2P model. Some of you must have never played them. I bought DDO and LOTRO when they were sub based games and then they went F2P. Stop complaining and realize CCP ain't a charity they are a business. They HAVE to make money. There is no other reason for a company to exist. But most if you are too immature to have the experiance of running a successful business. Or you just don't get it. ------------------------------------------
CEO and Major Shareholder of the APEX Conglomerate Producer of Starsi brand softdrinks and Torped-Os! brand cereal as well as many other fine products |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
Originally by: Mister Smithington So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.
Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?
Are you paying a subscription fee for Dust? No. That is the F2P model. Some of you must have never played them. I bought DDO and LOTRO when they were sub based games and then they went F2P. Stop complaining and realize CCP ain't a charity they are a business. They HAVE to make money. There is no other reason for a company to exist. But most if you are too immature to have the experiance of running a successful business. Or you just don't get it.
Eve became profitable at 50k subs. So, having around tripled that number now, they don't HAVE to milk every player for all they're worth. Just sayin.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Nah. It's the standard pay-to-play MT business model. What he warned against was trying to do the same to players who already pay a subscription fee.
It's the standard f2p/p2w model for PC MMOs (although most of those don't have a box cost). I don't think you can translate the model precisely over to consoles. The market is different and the expectations are different.
Subscription-based console games are usually met with resistance in my experience. Most console players expect a box cost and only a box cost. Maybe a few bucks every few months for optional DLC, and those are expected to be expansion worthy (Knights of the Nine for Oblivion, Zombie Island of Dr. Ned for Borderlands).
We'll see how the console crowd reacts when you tell them they have to continue to pay to be competitive in the game they just spent a cover charge on.
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ninjaholic
Gallente House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:14:00 -
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I've been playing Battlefield 2142 and IMHO it's better than Dust514 is gonna be
Just me?
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
Are you paying a subscription fee for Dust? No. That is the F2P model. Some of you must have never played them. I bought DDO and LOTRO when they were sub based games and then they went F2P. Stop complaining and realize CCP ain't a charity they are a business. They HAVE to make money. There is no other reason for a company to exist. But most if you are too immature to have the experiance of running a successful business. Or you just don't get it.
Your rage is delicious.
I'm well aware CCP is a company. I'm well aware they're here to make money. Although having seen some of their recent business decisions I have to wonder if CCP is aware of that.
I wonder how many superlasers the MT dusters are going to buy when there are no "freeloading spectators" to shoot it at.
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.07.11 18:20:00 -
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This is not news, this was announced at e3 a month ago. Massively
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