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Jenkouk
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Posted - 2011.07.12 01:02:00 -
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hello,
ive been getting into my low sec roams lately and aquired a manticore and this is my fit [Manticore - low sec] T2 Torpedo launchers w/ caldari jugga T2 Torpedo launchers w/ caldari jugga T2 Torpedo launchers w/ caldari jugga
Sensor dampner I Target painter I MWD I
Bcs II co - processor II
i got a friend of mine to get his rupture out so i could see the potential of this ship, first volley went for 250(he was moving) he stood still and it went up to 1000 with no hardners on :(
now i have good skills with this char and for the covert op ship majority of affecting skills are lvl 4 and even 5 so its not like im shooting with out the skills to back it up. according to eft i should be doing 3.8k :S
any ideas on what im doing wrong here? im getting frustrated
thanks
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.12 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 12/07/2011 01:30:05 2 things come to mind...
1) TP is just a tech 1, try a PWNAGE TP (Meta 4)? Also try fitting 3 TPs to see if that makes any difference on the ruppy.
2) Skills may not be applied. Try removing torps and launchers, repackage, refit then try again.
Also, try with some T1 torps, T2's may have a larger exp radius or something? Am not 100% sure.
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Jenkouk
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Posted - 2011.07.12 01:33:00 -
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i have heard about "skills not being applied" which probably would explain the dreadful damage, i'll give it a go and report back,
thanks buddy :)
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.12 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: stoicfaux on 12/07/2011 01:45:02
T1 Torp explosion radius: 450m Rupture sig size: 130m Rupture sig size w/TP: 130 * 1.3 = 169m
169 / 450 = damage capped at 37.6%
missile damage formulas
Don't shoot small things with torpedoes unless you're flying a Golem with lots of TPs or unless you have lots of spare time.
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2011.07.12 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 12/07/2011 01:45:02
T1 Torp explosion radius: 450m Rupture sig size: 130m Rupture sig size w/TP: 130 * 1.3 = 169m
169 / 450 = damage capped at 37.6%
missile damage formulas
Don't shoot small things with torpedoes unless you're flying a Golem with lots of TPs or unless you have lots of spare time.
This - SB's are best against BS sized hulls.
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Cha Hemah
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:32:00 -
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Rule 1 for Stealth Bomber Cruiser and Destroyer Hulls are your main enemy! There are more Cruiser Hulls with deadly abilities against an Bomber as those easily killable.
Also, why has your Fitting an Sensor Dampener for going against Cruisers? Against Ratting-BS, Afterburner, 2x RSD, 1x Warp Disruptor For Gangs, an Medium Shield Extender and no RSD, but an MWD.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:33:00 -
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Get a better target painter and ask him to sit still with a MWD running, you should get better results then... or ask him to get in a battleship.
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Professional Retard
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Posted - 2011.07.12 19:33:00 -
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lol t1 mids, jesus are people this stupid
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Ineka
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Posted - 2011.07.12 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jenkouk hello,
ive been getting into my low sec roams lately and aquired a manticore and this is my fit [Manticore - low sec] T2 Torpedo launchers w/ caldari jugga T2 Torpedo launchers w/ caldari jugga T2 Torpedo launchers w/ caldari jugga
Sensor dampner I Target painter I MWD I
Bcs II co - processor II
i got a friend of mine to get his rupture out so i could see the potential of this ship, first volley went for 250(he was moving) he stood still and it went up to 1000 with no hardners on :(
now i have good skills with this char and for the covert op ship majority of affecting skills are lvl 4 and even 5 so its not like im shooting with out the skills to back it up. according to eft i should be doing 3.8k :S
any ideas on what im doing wrong here? im getting frustrated
thanks
Can you please link your skills level regarding missiles (torpedoes) and support skills, so, every thing you have in "missile operation".
Also: describe the situation/target precisely.
Without those, nobody with 1 QI will be able to help you reasonably.
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tagen young
Caldari The Night Witch
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Posted - 2011.07.12 20:07:00 -
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You are probably not doing anything wrong.
Torps are simply not designed to engage small targets. As an occasional stealth bomber pilot I can tell you that you simply dont do major damage to frigate/cruiser hulls unless the cruiser is using its mwd.
From the EFT alpha it sounds like you actually have decent missile skills.
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Jenkouk
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Posted - 2011.07.13 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Professional ****** lol t1 mids, jesus are people this stupid
i applaude your constructive opinion......if i could use T2 MID's from the start i would but you have to train for them so before you wrote that "AWSOME" comment did it not cross your mind that i havnt learnt that certain skill to the required T2 level? no didnt think so, but hey thanks for solving my dps issue
jesus people are really stupid your right!!!!
Missile operation lvl 5 Torpedos lvl 5 Torpedo spec lvl 2 Warhead upgrades lvl 3 guided missile precision lvl 4 target navigation lvl 4 covert ops lvl 4 missile projection lvl 4 missile bombardment lvl 4 rapid launch lvl 4
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Dracoliche
Damage Unlimited Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jenkouk
Originally by: Professional ****** lol t1 mids, jesus are people this stupid
i applaude your constructive opinion......if i could use T2 MID's from the start i would but you have to train for them so before you wrote that "AWSOME" comment did it not cross your mind that i havnt learnt that certain skill to the required T2 level? no didnt think so, but hey thanks for solving my dps issue
jesus people are really stupid your right!!!!
Couple of things:
- I think meta4 was being suggested, rather than Tech 2. - You're gonna trip on someone named Pro ******. - Spelling errors. Stop drinking or take remediar engrish.
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Ineka
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jenkouk
Originally by: Professional ****** lol t1 mids, jesus are people this stupid
i applaude your constructive opinion......if i could use T2 MID's from the start i would but you have to train for them so before you wrote that "AWSOME" comment did it not cross your mind that i havnt learnt that certain skill to the required T2 level? no didnt think so, but hey thanks for solving my dps issue
jesus people are really stupid your right!!!!
Missile operation lvl 5 Torpedos lvl 5 Torpedo spec lvl 2 Warhead upgrades lvl 3 guided missile precision lvl 4 target navigation lvl 4 covert ops lvl 4 missile projection lvl 4 missile bombardment lvl 4 rapid launch lvl 4
Well, warhead upgrades at least lvl4 is not an option so I do think you will win "little" plus with the lvl4, lvl5 oc is better.
Also, any skill rigg implant or booster decreasing the explosion radius is a tremendous plus for your dps. Indeed 5% here, 2% there etc and at the end you can raise your dps for huge amounts.
Train asap torpedoes specialisation at lvl4, if you do so you'll want T2 launchers since the ROF bonus is applied only on the T2 launcher version, if you use meta4 launchers then the spec has no influence (2% rof per lvl) The ROF is one of the most important stats for your missiles but any skill decreasing the explosion radius, increasing the speed impact and, oc, decreasing your ROF are really not an option.
I'll finish by remembering you that some targets may have top T2 resists on the dmg bonus of your SB and since the whole purpose of the SB is to profit from those tremendous bonus, just avoid that kind of target of use your second and not less important ability; ewar
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:30:00 -
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warhead up 3 covert ops 4
oh lawdy...
When will people learn? Don't pvp in eve unless you have perfect skills and +5% damage and ROF implants..
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Tess La'Coil
The D.A.W.N. Initiative
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Posted - 2011.07.14 10:23:00 -
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Try using this painter if you can't fit the Tech2.. and I think its even better than the T2.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Phased_Weapon_Navigation_Array_Generation_Extron
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Donot Killmeh
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Posted - 2011.07.14 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: lordlulzs
When will people learn? Don't pvp in eve unless you have perfect skills and +5% damage and ROF implants..
This is bull****, I started PvP with around 1,5-2mil SP:s and did rather well in my T1 frigate. It is all about right target selection. After about 2-3 months in EvE I had secstatus -10 and around 50-60 kills. Also ~20-30 losses, but so what. And no blobbing, my kills were 95% solokills.
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