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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.12 11:50:00 -
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LinksDonation Link. Facebook Profile Links: Mine, Hers. My H4H Blog. TL;DR: A friend of mine is trying to go to Haiti this year with the 2011 Carter Work Project ( Habitat for Humanity). The cause is just, the woman is decent. Not asking for much, just one six pack of beer or one pack of cigarettes worth of cash.
By now you've read the tl;dr. If you've followed the links you've a good idea already of what is what. The gist of this: Amanda wants to spend another yearly vacation building homes for disadvantaged people. (i.e. She spent last year down in New Orleans.) She spends almost every Saturday (barring some holidays) working for Habitat for Humanity ( H4H from now on) already. I met her at the Farmington build site and have come to know her as a energetic and kind woman. She's quite motivated and sincere. She's been talking about going on this trip for months now and out of thousands of applicants she's been selected to be one of four hundred (400) people going. She's going to be leaving with the main group (an early group will leave to set up foundations) and the goals are to construct eighty (80) basic homes while they are in Haiti. That's just this years goal as the plan is to go again next year as well. The donation drive is to help H4H generate $2M for the trip and constructions. Each participant is asked to generate at least $5K if they can. More if possible. The donation link is not to myself nor to Amanda. It goes straight to H4H and the current amount generated via Amanda's efforts is listed. So a: neither of us can run with the money and b: any excess is clearly defined and appreciated. A number of you reading this know me and you know I generally keep my private life segregated from Eve. Equally you know my history of integrity. Quite honestly I would fund her trip myself, outright, but I'm in the process of house hunting and I can not do any large transactions without jeopardizing my mortgage application(s). So I've linked to this charity drive on my Facebook and I'm putting it here. Thank you and good day. PS: No, she's not a romantic interest. Shame on you for thinking that.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Beat General
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Posted - 2011.07.12 19:48:00 -
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what is haiti.
-general levy
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.12 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Beat General what is haiti.
Here jenius.
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
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Posted - 2011.07.12 23:00:00 -
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No begging on the forums. ---
Free Helicity Boson! ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.13 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Creepy Goat No begging on the forums.
Feel free to utilize the report link. You'll find there's a difference between legitimate charity works and begging.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.13 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral jenius
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Ts'ao Ts'ao
Soldiers of Irn Bru OMEGA.
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Posted - 2011.07.13 08:10:00 -
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well while I do not think you will get much hope here, and I cannot currently help. I do which you luck in this..
I have always wanted to do some sort of 'drive for charity'
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.13 08:50:00 -
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Too lazy to read any link, but which special skills does she have that the local haitians do not have?
If you want to help them, help them rebuild themselves (so yes for donating materials and money to pay locals to work, and I can also understand you want some non-local supervisor). Then those locals have work, can spend their money at the local market, gain knowledge, etc.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.16 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Too lazy to read any link, but which special skills does she have that the local haitians do not have?
Well, she's got several years of experience in house building. And she's just one of several hundred people going. The area in question was one of the hardest hit. Over 80% destruction of homes. Add in the difficulty involved in getting cash applied directly where it is needed (i.e. see corruption or ineptitude) going there "incarna" ensures a greater level of success. Also, an often overlook aspect is that the volunteers are not downtrodden by events. We bring energy, hope, and fellowship to people who have suffered much. While here at Eve all of us are, to be honest, misanthropic bastards in the real world Maslov actually exists. Originally by: Furb Killer If you want to help them, help them rebuild themselves (so yes for donating materials and money to pay locals to work, and I can also understand you want some non-local supervisor). Then those locals have work, can spend their money at the local market, gain knowledge, etc.
I'm not sure but this may in fact happen as well. The whole idea is about revitalization. However there are limits to what any one organization or volunteer event can do. Like most Eve Operations, specific goals are more effective then nebulous unspecific ones. In this case, it is to get 80 homes constructed to basic levels in the short time available. With homes being the target, you do all that you can to make sure that as much of the available funds goes directly to the construction effort. Paying local workers may help the local economy but that is, to be blunt, speculation on your part. There is no guarantee that skilled, or unskilled, laborers will be from that town; spend the money in that town, or (even) spend the money on anything responsible or stimulating to the local economy. So while I agree with your desired end result it doesn't satisfy the targeted goals of the endeavor... or at least as well.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.16 04:10:00 -
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BTW I should add that it appears $275 have come from the Eve community so far.
Many thanks for those that gave and those that considered giving but are unable.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.07.16 06:32:00 -
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Why everyone help those Haitians.. I dont get it. Weaker must die
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.16 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen20100211442 Why everyone help those Haitians.. I dont get it. Weaker must die
This may come as a surprise to you but your logic is flawed. Everyone must die. No avoiding it. However your implication that just because these people are Haitian they must die just marks you as either a racist or a moron. I'll settle for some combination of the two. Thus your logic is doubly flawed: from the brown stuff flowing from your front orifice you are obviously, and obliviously, intellectually and morally weaker yet your still befoul the air supply for the rest of us. Feel free to take corrective measures as you see fit. The character of a person or people is demonstrated by the nature of their actions towards others. Life may be short, brutal, and insignificant from your perspective but that is because you've reached as high in life as you are willing to reach. The flaw is not "life" or "other people", it is in yourself. Be a better person, experience a better life. That is simple enough even for someone like yourself.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.07.16 12:05:00 -
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Typical demagogy Yes, I'm racist, but this doens't mean I'm wrong In the nature everyone is racists - and right is the one who is strongest. People with thinking like your's deserve to extinct. Haitians are different kind, and they wouldnt give a **** about us, if our conditions would be switched. I'm 100% sure about this
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Roosterton
Eternal Frontier Enemy-Fleet
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Posted - 2011.07.17 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen20100211442 Edited by: Citizen20100211442 on 16/07/2011 12:27:47 Typical demagogy Yes, I'm racist, but this doesn't mean I'm wrong In the nature everyone are racists - and right is the one who is strongest. People with thinking like your's deserve to extinct. Haitians are different kind, and they wouldnt give a **** about us, if our conditions would be switched. I'm 100% sure about this
I'm not sure whether to be amused or disgusted.
Either way, GTFO this thread. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.07.17 18:04:00 -
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Linkage
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.17 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen20100211442 Edited by: Citizen20100211442 on 16/07/2011 12:27:47 Typical demagogy Yes, I'm racist, but this doesn't mean I'm wrong In the nature everyone are racists - and right is the one who is strongest. People with thinking like your's deserve to extinct. Haitians are different kind, and they wouldnt give a **** about us, if our conditions would be switched. I'm 100% sure about this
sad thing is hes mostly right.
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Raetherana
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Posted - 2011.07.18 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen20100211442 Edited by: Citizen20100211442 on 16/07/2011 12:27:47 Typical demagogy Yes, I'm racist, but this doesn't mean I'm wrong In the nature everyone are racists - and right is the one who is strongest. People with thinking like your's deserve to extinct. Haitians are different kind, and they wouldnt give a **** about us, if our conditions would be switched. I'm 100% sure about this
Typical sociological darwinism, you missed the boat when guns became the great equilizer of the weak against the strong, and flat out people like you deserve to be extinct more so than any other types of humans, thanks to your kind this country is going to the c****rs while blaming others for it. As for the haitians they couldnt help even if they wanted it, cant give when you got nothing.
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Mon 0cle Monocleres
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Posted - 2011.07.18 14:52:00 -
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Why should i bother trying to help out a country that can't help itself. It's all take, take, take in this world.
Whenever im 20p short on my shopping you don't see them offering to help me out.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.19 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mon 0cle Monocleres Why should i bother trying to help out a country that can't help itself.
Well, to be blunt, if you couldn't be bothered that much why bother enough to post? Ah, because Eve is a roleplaying game and you've got to work out your inner asshat. As to your question: Citizens are not always a fair representation of their Government. Or, more correctly, governments a rarely fair representatives of their citizens. Here's a question for you: Since no one has asked for your involvement or input why try to **** on someone else's worthwhile activities? Because is the answer for mental defectives - come up with something better than you average 5 year old. If you can.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Mon 0cle Monocleres
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Posted - 2011.07.20 18:01:00 -
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You play eve , ergo this whole thing is just a scam.
Although i do sense you are quite mad on the matter , is this true?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.21 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mon 0cle Monocleres You play eve , ergo this whole thing is just a scam.
What part is a scam? Please be specific. If you are accusing me of being a scammer, a little research would quickly disabuse you of that notion. Originally by: Mon 0cle Monocleres Although i do sense you are quite mad on the matter , is this true?
Mad as a hatter? Perhaps, I'm not known for making choices that others consider rational. Mad as in angry? What would I be angry about? As a troll you are much milder than the common ones found in the internet wild. I welcome questions. In fact I cherish questions. From my perspective it's a clear sign of intelligence. I prefer, any and every day, an intelligent nay sayer to a dumb yes man.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.07.21 11:33:00 -
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What's wrong with Haitians that they can't build homes themselves ? Half the bloody country is unemployed last I heard.
She'd be better off raising money and employing them to fix up their own country.
This is just stupid.
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Mon 0cle Monocleres
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Posted - 2011.07.21 21:44:00 -
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Exactly what the guy above said.
Same with these fecking Africans complaining of a drought and stuff - if you been in England the past few days theres been plenty of rain , dont know what they complaining about.. What i would do for a bit of sun and some decent weather about now.
Ungrateful bastards.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.07.21 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mon 0cle Monocleres Exactly what the guy above said.
Same with these fecking Africans complaining of a drought and stuff - if you been in England the past few days theres been plenty of rain , dont know what they complaining about.. What i would do for a bit of sun and some decent weather about now.
Ungrateful bastards.
Uninformed moron. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mon 0cle Monocleres dont know what they complaining about..
Originally by: Blane Xero Uninformed moron.
Blane while I agree with your sentiment expressing it is counterproductive. He knows exactly who and what he is: a troll. My advice: Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Additionally, people from a distance may have trouble deciding who is who. Just do what I do, report it for what it is and leave the moderators to weed them out for us. Trying to do so yourself just puts in you the impact zone as well.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Pink Marshmellow
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Posted - 2011.07.22 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Pink Marshmellow on 22/07/2011 02:34:06 I wouldn't mind helping those in need, but there are a bunch of things that stops me from helping.
First of all most of the money is pretty much shaved off and very little of it actually goes to the people.
Second these people have more children than they can sustain, they need to learn that having that many children is nothing but a burden, unless you're a farmer.
And lastly, manly of these people are able to do something, but most of them don't seem motivated to do anything. They have the ability to fix things and get food for themselves, but they instead sit around most of the time depending on aid. Most of these people act in a helpless state.
Charity is trying to fill a leaky bucket with water, no matter how much wawter you put into the bucket, it will eventually leak itself empty.
Giving them money for their current lifestyle and behavior is like rewarding them. It doesn't change their mindset, it doesn't change what they do, all it does is that it solves the problem for a moment and then multiplies it as these people produce more and more children, who adopt this behavior, therefore spiraling out of control.
Instead I favor helping individuals who want to do something and are motivated to work. There are systems around where individuals or families living in disadvantaged conditions can apply for a loan from people who are willing to lend them money. With this money they use it to invest in making stores, products, etc and then they pay the money back.
I remember paying $20 to help a man in Afghanistan start up his own bakery which turned out to be a success as the man eventually not only paid back, but made enough money to make 2 more bakeries which are operated by his family.
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Beat General
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Posted - 2011.07.23 04:32:00 -
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OP calling ppl moron and racist, i was going to donate like 50 bucks but now i wont because OP is a jerk
good job OP you doomed those haitshens because of ur douchbaggery
-general levy
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.25 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pink Marshmellow Instead I favor helping individuals who want to do something and are motivated to work. There are systems around where individuals or families living in disadvantaged conditions can apply for a loan from people who are willing to lend them money. With this money they use it to invest in making stores, products, etc and then they pay the money back.
I'm going to presume you know very little about how Habitat For Humanity works. No one gets anything for free: The resulting owner of the property has to first put in sweat equity. Then once the home is finished there are still financial obligations (i.e. mortgage) to continue with. Granted it is at extremely favorable terms; cost is literally materials cost & 0 labor costs; interest rate is 0.00%; but this is not, and never is, a free ride. Furthermore the entire organization, to my knowledge, is 100% volunteer. No one is getting paid. Only the barest minimum of overhead is paid for, wherever possible donations and volunteered skill sets are put to use. As an example: Old computer equipment is used for any staff positions, IT support is from retired techs/execs like myself. Rental cost for an office is unavoidable however the space is literally the barest minimum of what is needed and the actual monthly cost is way below market. Electricity is unavoidable. This venture has nothing to do with the size of anyone's family either. I don't have to explain what happened to Haiti. You can cite poor planning all you like but Haiti is not Japan or LA. Who'd expect an earthquake(s) of the magnitudes they experienced. And still the housing situation is suffering. Part of it is their government but the other part is that it is a small island country. Getting enough supplies and skilled (see: Healthy) labour handy is tricky as well. As to what stops you from helping: Your reasons for helping as specious. You have no idea if money is shaved off, you don't actually know family sizes, and you don't know how motivated the population is or is not. What you've cited as reasons is more correctly labeled as FUD. It is not based upon fact or personal experience. It is just something you think from things you've heard. Something you've allowed your brain to accept from the "hoi poiloi" group think. Oh and marshmellow is spelled marshm allow. PS: Helping is not just about tossing money at things. If you truly would like to assist some cause in some way but you are reticent for cited reason, get personally involved. Don't toss money in, spend time and energy. If nothing else, my own construction skills are getting honed in a variety of areas. Some I had no experience in whatsoever.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.07.25 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Beat General OP calling ppl moron and racist, i was going to donate like 50 bucks but now i wont because OP is a jerk
Your negotiation skills are lacking. Need more zeros on the end of that if you're expecting a lap dance from me. Besides, I didn't ask the trolls to act that way, they seem to like it.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Xenuria
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.07.25 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Creepy Goat No begging on the forums.
Feel free to utilize the report link. You'll find there's a difference between legitimate charity works and begging.
Uhhhh NO... What your doing is asking people from this community to give YOU money. You have offered no verification that your charity is legit nor have you made available any paper work to indicate were the money is going.
I think it takes a special kind of person to do what you do.
I really hope you enjoy your ban. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
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