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Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:51:00 -
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I've come up with a pretty decent BS fit with a MWD and the DPS is looking much nicer with torpedoes. I'm going to test out this fit and see how it goes but I'm really not keen on the explosion radius of torpedoes!
It seems they're going to be useless on anything smaller than a BS. How am I supposed to deal with elite cruisers? |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes
228
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:58:00 -
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TP's, Webs, and drones - Nulla Curas |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:03:00 -
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I don't have space for TPs or webs without sacrificing tank. I wouldn't be confident about that until I've tested it out and my Drones aren't strong enough to kill elite cruisers on their own. I usually bring in my alt in a Thrasher to kill those but lately my connection probably won't allow me to do that. |
Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
169
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:03:00 -
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Are torpedoes good for mission running?
Short answer: No. Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooo
Golem can make it work, but its not fun. It is a pile of extra work for only a small gain. |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:05:00 -
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Hm, okay thanks. Guess I'll start training some gunnery skills then. |
Alphaphi
Lost Society Get Off My Lawn
16
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:21:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Hm, okay thanks. Guess I'll start training some gunnery skills then. cruise missiles.... just sayin' |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:38:00 -
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The Golem takes additional effort to make it work, primarily in terms of managing cycles on web, TP and Torps (plus simultaneous salvage) but can be fun for all that. It is generally considered a poor choice given the Vargur but it's more viable most of the time than a Blaster Kronos.
On the subject of Midslots - you will find that the TPs...etc you sacrifice midslots for will be more than worth it - the application of the available damage is key and you might have to fit three tank modules to make up for the accelerated destruction caused by a single TP.
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Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:43:00 -
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Alphaphi wrote:cruise missiles.... just sayin' I never want to see another long range missile again. I'm training away from those ASAP.
Jacob Holland wrote:On the subject of Midslots - you will find that the TPs...etc you sacrifice midslots for will be more than worth it - the application of the available damage is key and you might have to fit three tank modules to make up for the accelerated destruction caused by a single TP.
Yeah, I know. Gank is tank and all that. What bothers me is the part between warping in and getting close enough to something to shoot it. I guess that's only something I can figure out by testing it. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:47:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Alphaphi wrote:cruise missiles.... just sayin' I never want to see another long range missile again. I'm training away from those ASAP. Jacob Holland wrote:On the subject of Midslots - you will find that the TPs...etc you sacrifice midslots for will be more than worth it - the application of the available damage is key and you might have to fit three tank modules to make up for the accelerated destruction caused by a single TP. Yeah, I know. Gank is tank and all that. What bothers me is the part between warping in and getting close enough to something to shoot it. I guess that's only something I can figure out by testing it. That's why you train for the Machariel and/or Vargur. Even though it's in falloff, the range is still pretty insane with ACs and they both have strong (pulsed shield) tanks.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:52:00 -
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You're right. I'll start training a Machariel immediately. |
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John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:41:00 -
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TBH I am starting to think that there's really little point in going further than Heavy Missiles for Lvl 4s. I have equal skills with CMs and HMs but can complete missions faster with a Drake than with my CNR or SNI.
If a Tengu creates more DPS than a Drake for an equal number of launchers and BCUs, then go with the Tengu.
Torpedoes look good damage on paper, but applying that damage is a PITA. Have a look at Green Gimp's expensive Golem fit on battle Clinic to see what I mean; it has 3 TPs IIRC. The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:45:00 -
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Yeah, I'm considering training a Tengu on this character. Are HAMs any good on a Tengu or should it be HMs only? |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Yeah, I'm considering training a Tengu on this character. Are HAMs any good on a Tengu or should it be HMs only?
HAMs have two problems in missions. First, they give up the obvious advantage of range. Part of the appeal of a Tengu in missions is that it can project decent damage out to ~100km without issues. With HAMs you're not only giving that up, you're actually forcing yourself to move into range in circumstances where BSs could just blap targets.
The second issue is that HAMs have trouble with frigates, especially elite frigates. And those are priority targets in any cruiser-sized mission ship. When you're stuck in a Tengu without drones, the lousy damage application on small/fast targets can be a pretty major issue. |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:03:00 -
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Is a Tengu with HMs a lot more exciting than a Drake with HMs? |
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
1
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:13:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Is a Tengu with HMs a lot more exciting than a Drake with HMs?
Depends on fit really, but in general yes. On a well skilled Tengu you can get over 750 DPS with HMs and still have room for a couple of Medium Warhead Flare catalysts to get awesome damage projection vs frigates as well. On mine I split my HM launchers up 2\2\2 and usually kill 3 things at a time vs smaller stuff. Often 2x faction HMs is enough to score the kill as well vs small stuff like friages.
Not to mention it does this at 650ish M/S so it's a rather agile small and powerful ship. I like it. |
nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:52:00 -
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anyone tries webbing+painting+dps drone on cruise boat? |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:09:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:anyone tries webbing+painting+dps drone on cruise boat? I was using Rigors and 2xTPs on my first fit but it wasn't cap stable. In the end I got sick of having to warp out to restock on cap boosters and it was terribly inefficient. The tank was pretty bad too which didn't help things either, but it did chew through the elite cruisers nicely. |
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
42
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:53:00 -
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Range on Torpedoes makes them a lot less desirable than cruise missiles, at least IMO. |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 18:38:00 -
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I can deal with the range, it's the explosion radius that bothers me... but now I've just looked in EFT and seen tech 2 missiles have an even bigger explosion radius than torpedoes and the precision tech 2 missiles are crap. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
665
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:11:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I can deal with the range, it's the explosion radius that bothers me... but now I've just looked in EFT and seen tech 2 missiles have an even bigger explosion radius than torpedoes and the precision tech 2 missiles are crap.
Check explosion velocity as well. |
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Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:19:00 -
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Wow that really sucks. I only chose Caldari so I could get a head start with missile support skills for when I want to fly the Amarr missile boats later on. Now I'm really stuck... |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:19:00 -
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And your comfortable little world is about to change.
Change is coming for missiles. You need to read other subforums. Regardless, prior to the Tengu what was the king of pve, CNI. You may want to look at it again. You also may want to look at torps again. CCP hasn't yet got to a full rebalance of large missiles and the ships that use them, but they certainly are getting to HMs and HAMs.
It will no longer be so easy as train Drake and Tengu, and fill the lows with BCUs and the mids with tank. This is a good thing. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
167
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:20:00 -
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Precision tech 2 cruise are not crap. When combined with rigor and flare rigs they kill even elite frigs very well. They take a little longer to kill the small targets such as elite frigs than heavy missiles do, but they more than make up for it by taking down the BS spawns way faster with fury missiles. I often 1 volleyed cruisers with precision cruise missiles. generally I kill the frigs with T2 small drones, but if they are being excessively annoying 1 volley of precision cruise don't leave much for the drones to finish off.
No matter what ship you fly, if you are fitting large primary weapon systems you need light drones for the small stuff, and good drone skills to back them up. poorly skilled even tech 2 drones are crap.
LVL 4 mission running gets much easier when you have the skills to make good use of T2 drones. Some ships like the DOM and Phoon you can hold a flight of light drones for dealing with the frigates and a flight of T2 sentries to deploy after the frigates are gone to add a big boost to DPS against the BS's.
With good skills T2 sentrys will often one shoot frigs at 40-50 km out. once they get close though send out the light drones or ignore the frigs until everything else is dead. |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:26:00 -
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I think it's just my extremely poor DPS which makes missiles so boring for me. I can just lock a target, press the fire button and go and get myself a cup of coffee. Maybe they will become more exciting later... |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
167
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:28:00 -
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If you want exciting, missiles are not for you.
I have heard with the right fit blaster BS with dual rep can be fun. lots of micro management and massive DPS if flown right. |
Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:34:00 -
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I've been looking into a blaster Rokh. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:02:00 -
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Torps ... only usable in a 3xTP golem.
Heavies .. about to be hit with -20% damage nerf ... "yaaay" |
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