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Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
23
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:15:00 -
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The risk vs reward is fine here. You need single corp mate to be bump-proof (and it can be your alt).
The attackers has to be at least 2 persons with quite lot of accounts. |
Imp Palpatin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:16:00 -
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Something should be done about this. Goons have no honor and CCP is clearly making the game to benefit them.
Now excuse me while I roll around in my piles and piles of ISK. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:17:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Din Chao wrote:I don't understand why people carry around high value prints in a ship with a giant bullseye painted on the side... So they can come to the forums and cry how cruel the EVE world is and try get some sympathy from other people who have lost ships because they failed to understand Rule # 23.
Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed. |
Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
106
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:19:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main. OMG are you serious? I am sure you use your real life name in game? PLease also list your address SSN, ISP and credit card info if you would be so kind. I cant see anyone being this childish unless your trying to get the post lock????
No, they just want him to post with his main, so they can check to see which popped freighter was his.
Wow. Now "wah, my freighter got ganked threads".
Does this mean the carebear cry-campaign is now in full effect? |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
585
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. the problem is that you're undocking freighters with 30b isk of loot inside
I just wish I had 30 bill of anything to lose. You want fries with that? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1781
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:22:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed.
"someone blew up my velator with 60 PLEXes in it CCP! you said ganking wasn't supposed to be profitable!!" |
Robert De'Arneth
34
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:22:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main. OMG are you serious? I am sure you use your real life name in game? PLease also list your address SSN, ISP and credit card info if you would be so kind. I cant see anyone being this childish unless your trying to get the post lock????
Please do not equate real life issues to anything to do with this game. This is game based on reputation, posting on a one day alt and bashing a corp, crying about being ganked, has not one thing to do with real life!! If you are going to call people out, have the gnads to do it on an avatar you play, where you can get paid back in game. So I am serious, it is yellow and cowardly to cry on the forums with a toss away alt. :)
You have right to disagree, just like I have the right to call alt posting people cowards, after all they do it to avoid the backlash that comes from posting here with BS. :)
Have a nice Day. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1775
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:26:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote: This is game based on reputation...
LOL!
You just bought that character didn't you?
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
991
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:26:00 -
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Elliot Plaude wrote:You get concorded for shooting yellow wrecks keep in mind. And even blue wrecks! So use a ship you do not care about. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
650
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:27:00 -
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Ganking, in general, in High Sec isn't supposed to be profitable. And isn't.
Ganking idiots who carry too much stuff, on the other hand, will be profitable no matter what gets done (herp lets carry 10 billion in my freighter derp), unless you see aggression eliminated in High Sec. Which would lead to a /lot/ of problems. Lets be perfectly clear here. I have a freighter. I have /no/ problem with people ganking freighters carrying more than a billion or so. They have a risk. There is a reward. The risk is, they don't get the gank, or the loot fairy is unkind. The reward is, the loot from the idiots who decided it was safe to carry 3 billion in a freighter.
It's mildly annoying that double wraps are getting ganked, as they're not always phat loot. Sometimes they're a subcontracted package. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1412
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:28:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:BillyBanter wrote: Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one. Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.
I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right TK is recruiting |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1762
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:31:00 -
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WAHHWAHHWAHH Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:31:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Din Chao wrote:I don't understand why people carry around high value prints in a ship with a giant bullseye painted on the side... So they can come to the forums and cry how cruel the EVE world is and try get some sympathy from other people who have lost ships because they failed to understand Rule # 23. Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed.
Except the only way to do that would be to make sure nothing ever drops from a wreck. Why do you ask? Because there will always be an idiot carrying more than he should in value. You can carry billions worth of value in an ibis. Think about it. Are we supposed to make the caldari starter ship have enough tank to not be a worthwhile gank target because he can fill his cargo hold with T2 BPO?
The problem is not with the possibility of ganking. The problem is with the fact people carry to much around in single load. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1412
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:32:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ganking, in general, in High Sec isn't supposed to be profitable. And isn't. I also laugh whenever i read this
Suicide ganking isnt by design profitable/unprofitable
What makes or breaks this is the decisions made by the pilot of the target ship in question.
If the potential cargo drop (plus the value of the ship/pod if that is also the target) is at or below the cost of destroying the target under the 'watchfull' eyes of CONCORD then it is more likely to happen.
tl:dr pilots that stuff too much value into paper thin tanks deserve all they get TK is recruiting |
Jonah Gravenstein
1318
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:34:00 -
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Imp Palpatin wrote:Something should be done about this. Goons have no honor and CCP is clearly making the game to benefit them.
Now excuse me while I roll around in my piles and piles of ISK. :ScroogeMcduck:
FTFY
ITT people whine about freighters getting popped when there are several ways to avoid it, the least of which is to use a freighter belonging to someone else, this is now a stealth advertisement for Red Frog & PushX CCP can't patch stupid. |
Medarr
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
40
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:36:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.
Hypocrit much |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:37:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Imp Palpatin wrote:Something should be done about this. Goons have no honor and CCP is clearly making the game to benefit them.
Now excuse me while I roll around in my piles and piles of ISK. :ScroogeMcduck:
FTFY ITT people whine about freighters getting popped when there are several ways to avoid it, the least of which is to use a freighter belonging to someone else, this is now a stealth advertisement for Red Frog & PushX
People would cry because Red Frog and PushX charge something to move their goods. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1762
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:37:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:BillyBanter wrote: Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one. Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them. I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
256
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:48:00 -
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BillyBanter wrote:I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.
I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D
Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.
They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.
Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.
For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it.
One of the many things wrong with the game.
It's one guy, running all those accounts on one or more computers. Using a single keyboard/software that allows you operate all accounts at the same time. CCP has said this is ok, which is not surprising, as long as they can get someone to pay the accounts, they can collect the money. With endless isk from CCP's moon-goo debacle, Goon's can buy and pay for any number of accounts, any number of ships, and create havoc in the game without any help at all. You can create a 500 man blob with 50 people easily, don't have to worry about everyone logging on, as long as the core players are there.
I wonder if CCP will ever disclose how many live people actually play the game anymore. If they have 300k subs, I'd bet there are no more than 20k-30k people running them all.
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:54:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:BillyBanter wrote: Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one. Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them. I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts.
You would still need a basic level of security to not get blown up as soon as you hit high sec no? I know it's a really low requirement but still. They can't only blow up ship till the cows come home. They will have to grind it a bit abck once they made enough aggression in high sec... |
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
305
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:04:00 -
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BillyBanter wrote:They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.
How is that not abuse of a game system?
Bumping mechanics are pretty broken, a speed boat trying to bump an oil tanker would end up as drift wood.
The same should be true in EvE.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
355
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:04:00 -
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BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.
Its the creation of the cheaper T3 battle cruisers which made this tactic cheap & therefore nerfed the Frieghters in HI SEC w/o a balancing buff. Look to your battle gear and it will protect youYour Armour is your SOUL, and your SOUL'S dedication its armourThe soul of a Warrior is the SHIELD of HUMANITY-Part of the Warrior's Catechism of Worship |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1413
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:10:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:BillyBanter wrote: Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one. Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them. I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts. You would still need a basic level of security to not get blown up as soon as you hit high sec no? I know it's a really low requirement but still. They can't only blow up ship till the cows come home. They will have to grind it a bit abck once they made enough aggression in high sec...
Most suicide gankers that i know, (me included) have trained a toon specifically for the task, and so sec status isnt a concern
Being -10 only means the navy shoot at you, and they arent as attentive or quick as concord who only go for people that are GCC.
The only real threat to a -10 toon is insta-lock ships fishing for killmails on busy gates TK is recruiting |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1413
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:12:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Its the creation of the cheaper T3 battle cruisers which made this tactic cheap & therefore nerfed the Frieghters in HI SEC w/o a balancing buff. You are conveniently forgetting that they nerfed insurance payouts for concord losses, meaning it actually became more costly to suicide gank TK is recruiting |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1413
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:16:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts. butthert detected TK is recruiting |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:25:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Maybe you would like to explain what these "friends" are going to do while the volley from 8+ Tornadoes tears through your hull? They'll have a good show, for sure, and can pop your wreck for you, but in the battle of Alpha vs. Friends, Alpha wins all the ******* time.
It takes about 25 tornados (or more) to alpha a freighter in one volley. Typically our gangs run about 10 - 15 members. We use high DPS high ROF ships to take down the freighters. The best way to stop us is wait till we go GCC then jam us with two or three blackbirds. Easy. |
Slap Chop
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:25:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:very simple. get your own noob alt and as soon as goon pop a freighter pop the wreck, repeat and start ransoming goons
Sounds simple only to the simple minded. Ask the persons who have interfered with ministry business how it worked out for them. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
991
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:28:00 -
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If CCP wants to nerf suicide gankers they could make these 2 rules:
1) If while under CONCORD aggression you kill a ship, you pay the insurance payout for that ship.
2) If your wallet is negative, you may not board any ship bigger than a shuttle. (Lore: Ship crews are paid from the interest earned from the total of all ISK in all wallets. If yours is negative, you are not contributing to the crew wage pool, so you are not allowed to use a crewed ship.)
Suicide ganking would still be possible. Profitable? Not as much. They would just have to be even more selective.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion
251
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:32:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:Jesus Christ, You pubbies ***** stopped reading at this point.
next! |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:33:00 -
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Wyke Mossari wrote:BillyBanter wrote:They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.
How is that not abuse of a game system? Bumping mechanics are pretty broken, a speed boat trying to bump an oil tanker would end up as drift wood. The same should be true in EvE.
You want an ibis to pierce a hole in your capital? Cuz they are both made out of trit. The fast projectile ship could penetrate the armor same as steel shells fired from tank would penetrate steel plates. Going full realism has drawback sometime. |
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