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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.03 18:05:00 -
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Seranova Farreach wrote:Frothgar wrote:Its an interesting change. What sort of comparison (Damage/Range) are you looking at when compared to Rails/Beams. I'm worried that HMLs with short range ammo will still have more range, more damage, better fitting, and better damage application (Tracking/Explosion radius,Velocity)
Edit, Any chance for Rails/Beams to get an adjustment should HMLs still prove to be a no brainer at any range? quit crying, missle ships are shield ships anyway and have no room for tackle usually.
Drake has one slot for point and one for web/painter. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
206
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Posted - 2012.12.03 18:42:00 -
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Faora Zod wrote:So there is not any posts from a DEV stating that Drakes and or any other BCs are not meant to run Level 4s.... it is just like we have never seen a DEV say, we don't want everyone flying Drakes or canes it is just a bunch of players bitching about how others play this game. Do you people really think the DEVs actually give a **** what we use? Until a DEV actually states you are suppose to do level 4 missions in a BS your arguments are pointless. And there won't be, ever.
You can use any ship in the game for whatever you want to, though your results may vary.
I can solo L4 missions in a Drake *right now*. I don't do it because there are better ships for the task.
If you have the skills to solo L4 missions in a Drake you have the skills for a better ship.
Plunk down a couple of hundred Misk to fly one of those ships and it will pay for itself in less time than you've spent complaining about the Drake being nerfed (and even the nerfed Drake should be able to run L4's, the technique and fitting will be a bit different is all). |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
1351
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:36:00 -
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Unsticking, let's make some space for future threads. |
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Krom Thomson
Dark Neutron Star Zombie Mayhem
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:51:00 -
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so were can i put in for reinbursment for the last 10 months of training since you just F*U*C*K*E*D my accounts form of dps to shi*t all? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:54:00 -
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Krom Thomson wrote:so were can i put in for reinbursment for the last 10 months of training since you just F*U*C*K*E*D my accounts form of dps to shi*t all? Right after the nano pilots, SC pilots, 90% web Gallente pilots, Cruise trained SB pilots... Yeah, let us know how that works out. |
Meera Delonier
The Evocati
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:10:00 -
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So basically the largest ship to fit medium moduals can no longer fit a full rack of them... they have to use smaller sized medium moduals with larger?
Seriously this is how you fixed this? .................................................. ahh.............. uh....... like ......... |
jonny330
Ivy Mike's Munitions Expulsion Services
15
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Posted - 2012.12.16 18:09:00 -
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Something I don't understand, they refer to the Heavy missiles as the long range medium missiles and HAMs as the short range, but they've decreased the range of the heavy missiles. |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
231
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Posted - 2012.12.16 18:44:00 -
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I got to say that I used to have a HAM Legion that was somewhat good... now it is a bad ship... Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built) Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:13:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:I got to say that I used to have a HAM Legion that was somewhat good... now it is a bad ship... This makes no sense as HAM's got buffed overall. |
Lyradex Fane
0
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Posted - 2012.12.24 13:13:00 -
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This... Is bullshit. You make it so I can't fit a plate, 5 425's, an a fricking AFTERBURNER onto a hurricane? But you buff the DRAKE AGAIN? Seriously frustrating. So clearly, you just want drake blob fleets. |
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Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
48
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Posted - 2012.12.24 13:17:00 -
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Lyradex Fane wrote:This... Is bullshit. You make it so I can't fit a plate, 5 425's, an a fricking AFTERBURNER onto a hurricane? But you buff the DRAKE AGAIN? Seriously frustrating. So clearly, you just want drake blob fleets.
You sir, have crap fitting skills. |
ApolloF117 HUN
The Fifth Seal
4
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:00:00 -
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"Tracking/Range Mods and Ewar Tracking mod and disruptor changes moved out of this release until the first set of changes settles a bit"
when this stuff come online? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2969
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:06:00 -
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ApolloF117 HUN wrote:"Tracking/Range Mods and Ewar Tracking mod and disruptor changes moved out of this release until the first set of changes settles a bit"
when this stuff come online?
I'll make a separate post when we're ready to discuss it again, but it's definitely not going to be included in the first major Retri point release. Still too soon to completely gauge the impact of the missile changes. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
34
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:43:00 -
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Missile changes were great. *irony off* Light missiles still don-Št even scratch a boosted ab dram and the hm nerf was too much. Didn-Št really see a Drake for ages now. Nowhere. Does anyone still fly it? Are there anywhere drakes left in the galaxy? Doubt it.
*irony on again*: Yes we need more missile nerf. |
Morgenholt Blue
Red Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:54:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Missile changes were great. *irony off* Light missiles still don-Št even scratch a boosted ab dram and the hm nerf was too much. Didn-Št really see a Drake for ages now. Nowhere. Does anyone still fly it? Are there anywhere drakes left in the galaxy? Doubt it.
*irony on again*: Yes we need more missile nerf.
Yeah heavy missile damage nerf was over the top. The range nerf is fine though. |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
34
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Posted - 2013.01.08 10:06:00 -
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Quote: Yeah heavy missile damage nerf was over the top. The range nerf is fine though.
Agreeing. The drake is now what the maller once was: BAIT only. Althogh I really didn-Št see drake for weeks now. And I live in lowsec only :P |
Valleria Darkmoon
No Salvation
92
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Posted - 2013.01.08 10:34:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Missile changes were great. *irony off* Light missiles still don-Št even scratch a boosted ab dram and the hm nerf was too much. Didn-Št really see a Drake for ages now. Nowhere. Does anyone still fly it? Are there anywhere drakes left in the galaxy? Doubt it.
*irony on again*: Yes we need more missile nerf.
HAM Drake sure. Was never big on Drakes to begin with though, it's a boring ship, so very much of it is either passive or turned on and left on. The only thing you ever watch is that you don't cap out leaving an MWD on when you shouldn't.
As for the buffed light missiles against a linked AB dram, that's a pretty specific reference to a single situation and is hardly a case for buffing light missiles further, if it didn't work before AND still doesn't then you're no worse off. We shouldn't make lights overpowered because of this one instance where they are weak, incidentally they are bad at very high speeds as well (5km/s and above). Sometimes the situation just calls for turrets is all. |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
35
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:20:00 -
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HAM DRAKE??? Frig fodder. Drake was always frig fodder but ham drake is really one of the easiest targets for frigs. HAM Drake has bad scan res plus really bad range plus really bad speed, so it is usable only in special situations where also a Torpedo Raven would fit in. Already wondering how CCP will fix the raven The only solution would be to give it a superior scan res to other battleships. So It can target and shoot the primary faster than other bs in fleet to hit simultaneously with the rest of fleet. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
397
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:06:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:HAM DRAKE??? Frig fodder. Drake was always frig fodder but ham drake is really one of the easiest targets for frigs. HAM Drake has bad scan res plus really bad range plus really bad speed, so it is usable only in special situations where also a Torpedo Raven would fit in. Already wondering how CCP will fix the raven The only solution would be to give it a superior scan res to other battleships. So It can target and shoot the primary faster than other bs in fleet to hit simultaneously with the rest of fleet.
A ham drake using only the launchers does about 60 dps to a webbed ab frig. (140 including drones)
Not a lot true.. But enough to kill a frig before it can even dent the shields on the drake. |
Lorginir
20
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:18:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:HAM DRAKE??? Frig fodder. Drake was always frig fodder but ham drake is really one of the easiest targets for frigs. HAM Drake has bad scan res plus really bad range plus really bad speed, so it is usable only in special situations where also a Torpedo Raven would fit in. Already wondering how CCP will fix the raven The only solution would be to give it a superior scan res to other battleships. So It can target and shoot the primary faster than other bs in fleet to hit simultaneously with the rest of fleet. What make you think they will make any good changes for raven or any other caldari ship? Caldari sucked badly before CCP nerfed last usable missile system in game and I hardly doubt it will ever change. When so-called 'rebalancing' will be finished Winmatars will be masters of missile technologies. Licensed 07.06.2010 R.I.P 10.06.2012 |
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Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
36
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:33:00 -
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Quote:A ham drake using only the launchers does about 60 dps to a webbed ab frig. (140 including drones)
Not a lot true.. But enough to kill a frig before it can even dent the shields on the drake.
??? Close range to a HAM drake??? Long point, kill the drones and stay out of the short range of his missiles. Even javelin ammo with max skills (and many people forget that hams can be skill intensive for max range) will have problems to arrive the frig. Passive shield tank will mostly prevent the drake from getting killed by ONE frig but the frig will point the drake infinitely while waiting for friends.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2972
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Posted - 2013.01.08 18:43:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote: Didn-Št really see a Drake for ages now. Nowhere. Does anyone still fly it? Are there anywhere drakes left in the galaxy? Doubt it.
Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same timeframe. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
627
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:03:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote: Didn-Št really see a Drake for ages now. Nowhere. Does anyone still fly it? Are there anywhere drakes left in the galaxy? Doubt it.
Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same timeframe. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers.
they will see an increase when you allow the tracking modifiers to work on missiles, better nerf missiles a little extra before that Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
113
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:09:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same time frame. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers.
Ah lovely numbers how I missed thee, any chance at seeing any more to dispel any other incorrect perceptions? Or better still just to see a hint at any trends since the ship changes have been done. If not I understand, time and all of that. But if I could ask for one random bone. How are the hurricane numbers fairing?
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2972
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:13:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same time frame. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers.
Ah lovely numbers how I missed thee, any chance at seeing any more to dispel any other incorrect perceptions? Or better still just to see a hint at any trends since the ship changes have been done. If not I understand, time and all of that. But if I could ask for one random bone. How are the hurricane numbers fairing?
Hurricane dropped 3.9%. Now this is against a backdrop of increasing users so it's a bit worse than these numbers make it appear, but not that much worse. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Morgenholt Blue
Red Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:33:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Krell Kroenen wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same time frame. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers.
Ah lovely numbers how I missed thee, any chance at seeing any more to dispel any other incorrect perceptions? Or better still just to see a hint at any trends since the ship changes have been done. If not I understand, time and all of that. But if I could ask for one random bone. How are the hurricane numbers fairing? Hurricane dropped 3.9%. Now this is against a backdrop of increasing users so it's a bit worse than these numbers make it appear, but not that much worse.
How come the loki's powergrid wasn't nerfed with the canes? (Or maybe it was and I can't read?). I feel like arti lokis will just take the place of Tengus now. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2972
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:43:00 -
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Morgenholt Blue wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Krell Kroenen wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same time frame. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers.
Ah lovely numbers how I missed thee, any chance at seeing any more to dispel any other incorrect perceptions? Or better still just to see a hint at any trends since the ship changes have been done. If not I understand, time and all of that. But if I could ask for one random bone. How are the hurricane numbers fairing? Hurricane dropped 3.9%. Now this is against a backdrop of increasing users so it's a bit worse than these numbers make it appear, but not that much worse. How come the loki's powergrid wasn't nerfed with the canes? (Or maybe it was and I can't read?). I feel like arti lokis will just take the place of Tengus now.
We're keeping an eye on them. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
113
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:46:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hurricane dropped 3.9%. Now this is against a backdrop of increasing users so it's a bit worse than these numbers make it appear, but not that much worse.
Thank you most kindly for the info *bows*
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.08 20:22:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote: Didn-Št really see a Drake for ages now. Nowhere. Does anyone still fly it? Are there anywhere drakes left in the galaxy? Doubt it.
Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same timeframe. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers.
The question really isn't the dropped usage from hmls or Drakes, but rather hmls on drakes.
If you looked at those numbers, what would they be?
I ask this because hmls are still relatively effective when used on caracals, navy caracals, rooks, tengus, etc. etc...
Soo, in my mind this could effectively mean that the drop in hml launchers is directly relative to the drake.
Also, we're only 1 month into the changes, so I feel that these numbers aren't yet settled on what the final numbers. will be.
Once many of these existing drakes have been destroyed I'm afraid they're not going to get replaced.
Also, there are probably plenty of players who are training out of a drake and just haven't reached a capable skill lvl to be able to fly anything else.
Hell, before these changes I was running around telling many players that if they were going to train missiles then there was no point in training past a tengu and past heavy missiles.
Now..... Well, all I can say is that my over 8mil sp in missiles is going waisted because the only missile boat I currently own is actually a cloaky scanner ship that just happens to have launcher hard points...
While CCP has made cruise and torps more effective, they're still not that effective. In pve I can take out targets approaching using large turrets without the use of any tracking mods. However, in a cruise or torp boat I need at least 2 target painters to put max effective dps on a BATTLESHIP, and that's with high support skills.
Personally, I'm wondering if missiles just need to be taken back to the drawing board and just redesigned in a way to make them more competitive when compared to turrets in both pvp and pve.
I don't know what to do as far as changing them in this manner, but then again, I'm not the game designer and shouldn't be responsible for figuring it out. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
30
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:02:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote: Didn-Št really see a Drake for ages now. Nowhere. Does anyone still fly it? Are there anywhere drakes left in the galaxy? Doubt it.
Drake use since the release of Retribution has dropped 4.8%. Usage of the Heavy Missile Launcher II module has dropped 7.8% in the same timeframe. Both well within acceptable ranges for this point and we're continuing to keep an eye on the numbers. The question really isn't the dropped usage from hmls or Drakes, but rather hmls on drakes. If you looked at those numbers, what would they be? I ask this because hmls are still relatively effective when used on caracals, navy caracals, rooks, tengus, etc. etc... Soo, in my mind this could effectively mean that the drop in hml launchers is directly relative to the drake. Also, we're only 1 month into the changes, so I feel that these numbers aren't yet settled on what the final numbers. will be. Once many of these existing drakes have been destroyed I'm afraid they're not going to get replaced. Also, there are probably plenty of players who are training out of a drake and just haven't reached a capable skill lvl to be able to fly anything else. Hell, before these changes I was running around telling many players that if they were going to train missiles then there was no point in training past a tengu and past heavy missiles. Now..... Well, all I can say is that my over 8mil sp in missiles is going waisted because the only missile boat I currently own is actually a cloaky scanner ship that just happens to have launcher hard points... While CCP has made cruise and torps more effective, they're still not that effective. In pve I can take out targets approaching using large turrets without the use of any tracking mods. However, in a cruise or torp boat I need at least 2 target painters to put max effective dps on a BATTLESHIP, and that's with high support skills. Personally, I'm wondering if missiles just need to be taken back to the drawing board and just redesigned in a way to make them more competitive when compared to turrets in both pvp and pve. I don't know what to do as far as changing them in this manner, but then again, I'm not the game designer and shouldn't be responsible for figuring it out.
Good points well made, I am of the opinion that sooner or later missiles of all varieties will be phased out. Full stop, no more missiles. This is the second major missile nerf I've had to put up with since joining the community of New Eden. Now I just tell noobs, to 'just train guns'. As for missiles there's no ******* point. Every missile boat I own from frigate to BS underperforms when compared to an equivalent gun toting ship which is sad considering that I have 5 million sp in missiles and roughly the same in gunnery.
Ho Ho there we go.
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