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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.13 15:59:00 -
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I do quite a bit of high sec exploration. I get a number of esclations that go all the way to low sec.
So i jump on Dolan Maps do a little research on the system. I jump into the system and find a nice safe spot and cloak up. The low sec residents spend their time trying to scan me down. I usuall go AFK for an hour or two. Try to give them enough time to get bored. I come back from time to time and and see if they have given up. When it looks all quite i jump into the site.
Without fail they start trying to scan me down with in a few moments. So i warp back off to my safe and watch them on D-scan until they get bored again. This goes on until i give up or they do.
So my question is this. Is there any point in trying to do these esclations anymore? I am not going to go into low sec and just give them an easy kill. In all the time i am wasting AFK i could be running more high sec sites.
As a side note are you low sec guys getting lots of kills now or are you seeing even less people in low sec?
Any insight on this is welcome If you just want to troll thats cool too.
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Scortched Merc
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Posted - 2011.07.13 16:29:00 -
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I don't bother with the lowsec esclations anymore... way back when I did a few of the lowsec esclations, very little reward for the risk.
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.07.13 16:32:00 -
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That is pretty much it.
Maybe CCP should change the game mechanic. Make site scanning really easy and make ship scanning really hard.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.13 17:08:00 -
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Ok so thats 2 for just skip them is there anyone that thinks they are still worth the trouble?
Also no one wants to say how great low sec is with the new unscanable changes?
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.13 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Mintala Arana on 13/07/2011 17:26:10
Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker I do quite a bit of high sec exploration. I get a number of esclations that go all the way to low sec.
So i jump on Dolan Maps do a little research on the system. I jump into the system and find a nice safe spot and cloak up. The low sec residents spend their time trying to scan me down. I usuall go AFK for an hour or two. Try to give them enough time to get bored. I come back from time to time and and see if they have given up. When it looks all quite i jump into the site.
Without fail they start trying to scan me down with in a few moments. So i warp back off to my safe and watch them on D-scan until they get bored again. This goes on until i give up or they do.
So my question is this. Is there any point in trying to do these esclations anymore? I am not going to go into low sec and just give them an easy kill. In all the time i am wasting AFK i could be running more high sec sites.
As a side note are you low sec guys getting lots of kills now or are you seeing even less people in low sec?
Any insight on this is welcome If you just want to troll thats cool too.
If a (low sec) system is particularly busy, I'll go get a PvE fit frigate to run the final stage. It will have plenty of tank and gank for the purpose and so far, I've managed to get in and get out with the loot every time. If I get caught on the way in, it's not much of a loss, and the only realistic way to catch me on the way out is to alpha me as I land on the gate. If it's quiet I'll just immediately run the site in my T3 while watching local and d-scan.
Are you often getting sent to a "border" or pipeline low sec system, by the way? Those are much busier on average than deeper low sec.
Edit: And yes, they can be worth the trouble. Angel Lookout escalates to low sec, where the final stage can drop a Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster, worth 400M+ on contracts.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.13 18:37:00 -
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Yes i am getting sent to border systems. They are never more than 1 or 2 jumps into low sec. The sites i am getting can't be run in a frig. They are the esclations where you have to kill a Battlestation to get the overseer to spawn in a Battleship.
These Esclations start from a Vigil or a Watch site. I have ran a few in the past before the unscanable nerf. I have had semi poor luck with the drops though. And i dont have a problem with that RNG is what it is. But with no counter to scanning i just dont know if they are worth it now.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:00:00 -
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I do the expeditions whenever I can.
Hideout site expeditions start and end in high security and sometimes drop C-Type modules so no problem doing those.
Lookout and Watch site expeditions are great ISK makers. I run those in a Force Recon Cruiser and fit a Covert Ops Cloak for the last site in low security. I do the same thing as you and make a few safe spots warping round while cloaked. After local chat gets quiet, I'll run the site. Doesn't matter if I sit there for a few hours or 20 hours, I'm looking to hopefully get some excellent Faction loot.
One trick is the 'Scorched Earth' policy. Basically it's kill a few NPC's, blow up the wrecks, then warp out and cloak. Go back and do it again. This will help keep other players from finding the site. Escalation sites can't be scanned by other players but your ship can be probed and the wrecks found with D-Scan. As long as the Commander NPC or Overseer Structure isn't destroyed, the site will remain active.
Angel Lookout Expedition - Chasing the Dragon - ends with a 2 room gated complex in low security where the 'Scorched Earth' policy works rather well. The last room always has the Commander NPC in the nearest group to the warp in location. This makes it easy to fight and grab the loot since there's 2 gates and 1 room between you and any possible invaders.
Angel Watch Expedition - The Nuclear Small Arms Project - ends in a regular location (no gates) in low security. It has an Overseer Structure - (Secret Science Lab or Warehouse, something like that) which holds the Faction loot.
I usually warp to the location while cloaked and bookmark the area beacon as soon as I land in the area. Sometimes it'll de-cloak me but by then I'm warping back out to safe spot. That way I can warp back in at 100km range while cloaked and maneuver the ship to get as close as possible to the Overseer Structure before I blow it up. I'll bookmark the can that drops and then warp out to safe spot. Warp back to can location, pick up Faction loot, leave system.
This actually happens very quickly. It doesn't take much to destroy the Overseer Structure. If the system is quiet, I'll stay and kill the NPC's while watching Local, always ready to warp out asap.
I haven't completed the Angel Vigil Expedition yet.
Anyway, I believe it's worth it to do the expeditions, just make sure to do it safely and watch your back.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:24:00 -
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Ah ok Force Recon never thought of that. I guess i will train that up and give that a shot.
The sites i am running are Blood Raider and Sansha not Angel though.
I did use the warp in and bookmark the site cloaked trick. I should of though to destroy the wrecks. Thanks for the insight.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:33:00 -
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If you can, use a T3 Cruiser fitted with Covert Ops cloak. Can fit up more weapons and it has better defense.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.13 19:48:00 -
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I can and do fly a Tengu but i dont really feel like risking it in low sec with the scanning changes. The cost of losing a Force Recon is something i could live with though.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.13 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson ... Angel Lookout Expedition - Chasing the Dragon - ends with a 2 room gated complex in low security where the 'Scorched Earth' policy works rather well. The last room always has the Commander NPC in the nearest group to the warp in location. This makes it easy to fight and grab the loot since there's 2 gates and 1 room between you and any possible invaders. ...
Speaking of this one only: Blitzing takes me under 10 minutes in a PvE fit Rifter: Kill everything in the first room (to open the gate) and the boss rat in the second room. Then scoop and scoot. I've never been probed out in it (probably because I'm usually in a frigate so "why bother?", but whatever ) and only been ambushed on my way out of low sec once, by a fleet with no really fast lockers.
For the Angel Watch, I do basically the same as Michael, except I don't bother to stay and kill NPCs once I've got the loot.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.13 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker Ah ok Force Recon never thought of that. I guess i will train that up and give that a shot.
The sites i am running are Blood Raider and Sansha not Angel though.
I did use the warp in and bookmark the site cloaked trick. I should of though to destroy the wrecks. Thanks for the insight.
The best Force Recon for the job is probably the Pilgrim, because it doesn't need to devote significant CPU or PG to weaponry, being a drone boat. A Rapier also works, but I don't know about the Caldari or Gallente Force Recons.
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VIP Ares
Minmatar BALKAN EXPRESS HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.07.14 10:28:00 -
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I LOL-ed at this one. And how you think people who live in low sec or 0.0 do escalations? Do you think they escalate to high sec?
Bear tears = best tears.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.07.14 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: VIP Ares I LOL-ed at this one. And how you think people who live in low sec or 0.0 do escalations? Do you think they escalate to high sec?
Bear tears = best tears.
Don't remember seeing any tears in the OP.
FYI - the best tears are Piwait Tears.
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March rabbit
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Posted - 2011.07.14 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker Without fail they start trying to scan me down with in a few moments. So i warp back off to my safe and watch them on D-scan until they get bored again. This goes on until i give up or they do.
this is the reason why all low-sec piwates look stupid with their "mission runner has counter-scanning method: just warp off when you see probes". Yea. You can warp off but who will complete complex then?
However no one from piwates has enough brain to understand it.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: VIP Ares I LOL-ed at this one. And how you think people who live in low sec or 0.0 do escalations? Do you think they escalate to high sec?
Bear tears = best tears.
Before you posted i though i had done something wrong. I mean a thread without a troll. Thats no thread at all really. I just want to thank you for playing your part.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.14 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson If you can, use a T3 Cruiser fitted with Covert Ops cloak. Can fit up more weapons and it has better defense.
I got an esclation last night and gave this a shot. I striped down my T3 to all T2 fittings and went in and did the site. It worked very well. I will just do this from now on. If and when i do get caught i will just self destruct to deny them the killmail. Again thanks for the advice.
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Scortched Merc
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Posted - 2011.07.14 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker I striped down my T3 to all T2 fittings and went in and did the site.
This makes me sad... going from a pimped out Corvette with spinners to a old rusty 79' Pinto.
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.14 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Scortched Merc
Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker I striped down my T3 to all T2 fittings and went in and did the site.
This makes me sad... going from a pimped out Corvette with spinners to a old rusty 79' Pinto.
Lol no worries the Corvette is still in the garage.
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Keilateau Shakor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.15 08:13:00 -
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Force Recons, T3's, etc.
I took a flippin' PALADIN to Aedald recently to run the final part of Nation on the Rise! And for what? For this piece of useless crap
But it was fun playing cat and mouse with the locals
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Generals4
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.15 11:24:00 -
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I've been doing exploration in lowsec and tbh the locals haven't been such a trouble. Sure occasionally you have those little pirates who think you don't know how to use dscan and didn't notice the probes but that happens maybe in 1 on 5 sites i clear.
People seem to overestimate the dangers in lowsec. (don't get me wrong the danger is there but it's not as if everytime you jump into lowsec you have an entire pie corp on your ass)
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Cyniac
Gallente Twilight Star Rangers
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Posted - 2011.07.15 11:29:00 -
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Been doing escalations and low sec exploration for over a year - never used an unscannable ship, never been caught doing an escalation.
Which leaves me with two thoughts...
1) This is a good change. Less competition.
2) He who dares... wins
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.15 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Generals4 ... but it's not as if everytime you jump into lowsec you have an entire pie corp on your ass ...
Unless you're in their home system. They don't like that very much. :)
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.07.15 14:38:00 -
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Several of you make very valid points. It would seem your luck is just a bit better than mine in getting sent to less popluar systems. I get them hunting me done for a few hours in about 3/5 esclations i do.
I dont really have a problem with this though i enjoy AFK cloaking in their system and just in general annoying them. I have ran 3 low sec esclations since the OP with no real issues. 1 of the 3 i did give up on after about 4 hours system was just to busy.
Once again i would just like to thank everyone for their responses you have all been very helpful.
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Eian
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.16 12:02:00 -
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This thread has some really good information and is what I expect from the EVE community.
On risk versus reward, it's a great thing. Unfortunately EVE game mechanics put all the risk to the PVE'er in situations like this. When your only option if being heavily scanned is to cloak @ at safespot and/or log off for hours at a time it doesn't make the game very much fun.
However, it is what it is and it's not going to change. So here we are still doing it. :)
Originally by: Karthwritte LOL, I dont get paid for putting paragraphs. I dont get paid for anything.
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Nadine Le'Slut
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Posted - 2011.08.16 13:50:00 -
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scratch the part with the guy saying your wrecks can be probed. they cannot be probed (last time i check 1w ago). but they give quite a hint where to look for if the combatprober is decent with dscan.
further: unscannable t3. still almost impossible to zero down on it, unless the prober has perfect skills, gear and implants. |
Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
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Posted - 2011.08.16 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nadine Le'**** further: unscannable t3. still almost impossible to zero down on it, unless the prober has perfect skills, gear and implants.
This is something i still would like to know more about. Are the low sec dwellers getting more/any low sec unscannable kills? Or did this change only really effect the off grid boosting ships?
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Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.08.16 19:33:00 -
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Depending on the bs tank and your skills, an AF can destroy a rat bs. It probably can't do top end officer spawns but it surely can with close range ammo/weapons. No one is going to sneak up on you in an AF while in a gated deadspace plex.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.08.17 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nadine Le'**** scratch the part with the guy saying your wrecks can be probed. they cannot be probed (last time i check 1w ago). but they give quite a hint where to look for if the combatprober is decent with dscan.
further: unscannable t3. still almost impossible to zero down on it, unless the prober has perfect skills, gear and implants.
Learn to read before posting a troll reply. I never said wrecks can be probed.
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Escalation sites can't be scanned by other players but your ship can be probed and the wrecks found with D-Scan.
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Anne Alingus
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Posted - 2011.08.17 11:10:00 -
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So I found a Tengu and Tempest on scan in EWOK-K a few weeks ago. I quickly found the Tempest which was unpiloted, got an alliance mate in to steal it and proceeded to try to scan down the Tengu. I expected it to be harder, but I was unable to get even a close lock on it. This is in a dedicated scanning covops with skills at 4, and sisters probes (using 7 probes). Being a bit obsessive and salivating at the thought of an unpiloted Tengu to steal, I went and bought a scanning implant. I flew back, and was still unable to get a lock. Being SpaceRich (and a bit obsessive), I went and bought 4 Virtue implants, returned and got a bit Spacemad when I maxed out at 99%. Went back again, got the Epsilon, returned and was finally able to get a lock. Lo and behold, an afk boosting tengu is found, not the unpiloted Streisand-boat I was expecting. Oh well, at least it dropped 4 DG coprocessors.
My long-winded point is that it took a dedicated scanning covops, solid skills and over a billion isk in implants to get a lock. I guarantee you that very few pirates or anyone for that matter is running around with this setup. Unless you happen to be running plexes near a mission hub or camped chokepoint, I would guess your chances of actually being probed out in a (formerly) unscannable t3 is extremely low.
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