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S1LKY SM00TH
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Posted - 2011.07.14 11:25:00 -
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First off, let me say that I love eveboard and its an awesome resource for the eve community.
Being quite competitive by nature I keep a close eye on the rankings in the various sub categories - in fact I've been doing this with my main for over a year now.
However, I've realised that I've been sacrificing sticking to my original skill plan just for the sake of trying to maintain a higher eveboard spot. So for example , my attributes are all geared to train spaceship command/gunnery and thats my skill plan, but I know that by training science I'll move up a few spots on eveboard so I train that instead, even tho I'm not really interested in science and will prob never use the skill.
So, this got me wondering how widesprad this may be - do you train skills you really want, or do you train skills because it will improve your eveboad rank ?
I realise that this wont always be mutually exclsive of course.
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Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.14 11:35:00 -
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Short answer no.
And i personally find it silly just to train a skill to be competative on a board designed for people to be able to show of their toons skillset. I allways train what i feel like i need to train or want to train myself and got a fairly well rounded character.
What is ieasy to forget when looking at all those rankings is that those rankings isn't representative of anything inside of the game, unless you actually use the skills you do train. If you do not you have trained a skill you might not end using at all over a skill that you know that you will end up having a use for.
Granted i am aware that all trained skills are useful, even the worst ones, you should allways aim to train the skills that improve your performance IG rather than higher rankings on a character board.
My 2 cents
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Eukal Yptus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.14 12:24:00 -
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I train some skills to lvl V just for the look of it, My end goal is to have all the skills I have at lvl V. some useless but most of them are usefull.
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ninjaholic
Gallente House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.14 12:48:00 -
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If you've nothing to lose in-game by training skills that have a lower sp/hr to get you up a few spots on eveboard, I don't see the harm. Skillpoints per hour doesn't matter on eveboard.com unless it's for the long term. If it is for the long term, you should optimise your attributes to compete effectively.
If you're asking here for that help, then you' can't be that dedicated to the competition! SLACKER!
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.14 16:42:00 -
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I'm not training any skills based on [eb] stats, however I like it when my elite cert ranking is going up.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.17 11:18:00 -
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Eveboard is great, but you should avoid training skills to fit it's flawed ranking system.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2011.07.17 16:54:00 -
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It's hard for me to see how a character that is focused on one thing, ie: combat, should be ranked lower than one that has sp spread out over many different things. But that's what EVEboard does.
I find it's best not to pay any attention to the rankings. |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.17 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 17/07/2011 20:01:36
Originally by: Skarned It's hard for me to see how a character that is focused on one thing, ie: combat, should be ranked lower than one that has sp spread out over many different things. But that's what EVEboard does.
So one character with 10 million points all in combat related skills should rank higher than a character with 110 million skillpoints spread out in everything?
Besides, player skill is greater than SP in EVE everytime.
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Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2011.07.17 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77 So one character with 110 million points all in combat related skills should rank higher than a character with 110 million skillpoints spread out in everything?
Fixed your post for you since you left out a digit. And the answer is yeah, that's correct. |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.18 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 18/07/2011 01:07:46 What defines a combat skill vs a science skill?
Engineering is a very useful combat related skill (5% more PG per level) while it is also a prereq for many science skills (Amarr Encryption Method as an example).
Gunnery and missle skills are obviously combat related skills. Science skills are obviously science related. But wait, Thermodynamics is combat related and it's under science. If you use boosters, then Biology is a useful combat skill, but wait, Biology is a science skill!! Spaceship Command which a combat player would have a lot of points in to fly different ships while a science based character might use an industrial to fuel a POS, which requires [racial] frigate.
As I already mentioned, what about Engineering, Mechanic, and Electronics? They are very useful for combat and also required for science skills.
In order to be able to give ranks based on the type of character, you have to be able to determine what skills are for what group, and I already pointed out many skills have dual uses which makes them impossible to classify into a combat or science skill.
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Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2011.07.18 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77 Edited by: Breaker77 on 18/07/2011 01:07:46 What defines a combat skill vs a science skill?
Engineering is a very useful combat related skill (5% more PG per level) while it is also a prereq for many science skills (Amarr Encryption Method as an example).
Gunnery and missle skills are obviously combat related skills. Science skills are obviously science related. But wait, Thermodynamics is combat related and it's under science. If you use boosters, then Biology is a useful combat skill, but wait, Biology is a science skill!! Spaceship Command which a combat player would have a lot of points in to fly different ships while a science based character might use an industrial to fuel a POS, which requires [racial] frigate.
As I already mentioned, what about Engineering, Mechanic, and Electronics? They are very useful for combat and also required for science skills.
In order to be able to give ranks based on the type of character, you have to be able to determine what skills are for what group, and I already pointed out many skills have dual uses which makes them impossible to classify into a combat or science skill.
So go ahead and make a better algorithm and I'll pay you with a cookie. |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.18 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Skarned
So go ahead and make a better algorithm and I'll pay you with a cookie.
It was your idea so you do it, unless it's a really good cookie
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Viggen
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Posted - 2011.07.18 17:09:00 -
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Do I train skills I really want? Well I already have all the skills that are available, and have the ones I need at a level I'm happy with to do what I want. So yes, for now I just train skills that help me keep my number one spot in the global rankings. But what else am I to do? Obviously I have skills that I dont use (all 4 racial titan skills for example), but the alternative is to stop training. Eventually everyone gets to a level where they are happy and then just train anything for the sake of training.
Plus the benefit of being able to do everything well is more important to me than being able to do a small part 100% and missing out on the rest. Also gives me immunity to flavour of the month and nerf bat issues.
Eveboard Viggen |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.18 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Viggen Do I train skills I really want? Well I already have all the skills that are available, and have the ones I need at a level I'm happy with to do what I want. So yes, for now I just train skills that help me keep my number one spot in the global rankings. But what else am I to do? Obviously I have skills that I dont use (all 4 racial titan skills for example), but the alternative is to stop training. Eventually everyone gets to a level where they are happy and then just train anything for the sake of training.
Plus the benefit of being able to do everything well is more important to me than being able to do a small part 100% and missing out on the rest. Also gives me immunity to flavour of the month and nerf bat issues.
At your level of SP you basically have the skills needed to do what you do, so train to keep your number one spot. I completely understand, as I often wonder what I should train next.
The problem with Eveboard ranking is it penalizes me and others for being almost 100% combat trained, as well as other things that could be seen as a plus. It seems those that are quite focused in their skill sheet, get the wrong end of the stick.
I saw it suggested somewhere, that it should rank everyone with the same stats, at the same position. I.E. if 10 people have top drone skillpoints, they should all be number one in that set and the next in line number 11. That seems like a far more honest and fair way of listing ranks.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.19 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's The problem with Eveboard ranking is it penalizes me and others for being almost 100% combat trained, as well as other things that could be seen as a plus. It seems those that are quite focused in their skill sheet, get the wrong end of the stick.
I'm with you there, even getting penalized for having a tidy skillsheet with the skills at level 4-5 is a little silly.
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Viggen
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Posted - 2011.07.19 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I'm with you there, even getting penalized for having a tidy skillsheet with the skills at level 4-5 is a little silly.
This issue has already been raised on Chribba's Eveboard thread, for example level 5 skills not being included in the level 4 rankings and below, level 4 skills not being included in the level 3 and below ranks etc... Chribba said he would look into it but has been busy lately, so we'll just have to wait a bit longer on that one.
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Dirty Addict
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:45:00 -
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When a skill completes or i modify my skill queue i am in the top 10 sp per hour. I intend to stay that way!!! :)
Dirty
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Von Kretschmer
No Trademark
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Posted - 2011.07.27 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Von Kretschmer on 27/07/2011 05:53:58 If being ranked well on eveboard makes you happy, then by all means, go for it. I can certainly understand that.
That being said, eveboard doesn't rank characters well (IMHO of course). It's a purely subjective matter.
Quite frankly the only char I like more than mine is Soren:
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Soren (really nice char).
Though I'm sure there are plenty others.
I'm currently ranked 1841
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Von_Kretschmer
Which quite frankly invalidates the entire eveboard ranking system (IMHO of couse). Again, it's all subjective.
I personally train skills that I use and I like a clean skillsheet. If that ranks me higher or lower, that's fine, it has no bearing on what I train.
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2011.07.27 23:26:00 -
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I find eveboard to be a great "reminder" service. First it's an evemon replacement for me. Second it tells me which skill categories I'm missing something in.
So I use eveboard to plan my skill/remaps ... cause at my skillpoint level I don't really "need" anything, just to iron out what I already have.
So, yes and no. I train based on my attributes (int/mem means I can train navigation because remapping int/perc is not effective through an entire year) but eveboard tells me which categories to train using those attributes. So indirectly it's going after rank although catching up to Viggen will take a loooong time ;) .
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Neurotic Cat
Gallente Helping Hand Acceptance Corporation
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Posted - 2011.08.01 23:35:00 -
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Yes, it is a distraction.
But what the heck, its just skill points right?
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.08.02 08:53:00 -
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I just wanted to point out that:
EVE, EveBoard, The Internet in general...are all SUPPOSED to be a distraction !
+10 for multi faceted distractions
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S1LKY SM00TH
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Posted - 2011.08.02 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: RavenPaine I just wanted to point out that:
EVE, EveBoard, The Internet in general...are all SUPPOSED to be a distraction !
+10 for multi faceted distractions
I wouldn't disagree with you, but perhaps I should clarify my original post, when I say distraction I mean a distraction from training the skills that you really want or need, and instead training the ones that enhance your EB ranking. I didn't mean a distraction from life or more mundane aspects of it in general.
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bigboyal
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Posted - 2011.08.27 13:28:00 -
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Yeh its distracting, sure I'll train the odd quick skill to level 2, 3 or 4 because it might help my eb rank, but for level 5 skills or the longer level 4 skills I would only train em if they are part of my skill plan and eb wouldnt come into it.
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Simeon Garuth
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Posted - 2011.08.28 17:39:00 -
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EveBoard is one of the things that has kept me in the game.
My main was born in 2003 but with several breaks is no better than a 2006 character; however EveBoard gives me a high rating (700 instead of 2200 on pure sp)because I have spread my skills all over the place. By the way this isn't a troll, I actually use most of them but it does make for a disjointed playing experience.
But I do feel a tinge of pity for the Capital players whose ranks definitely suffer, but then I remember how they mess with my carebearing and the tinge goes away
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