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Phenomenologie
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Posted - 2011.07.15 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Phenomenologie on 15/07/2011 00:37:13 Purpose : Expending my mining activities. I'm a PVP guy, and i just found that mining with 4 accounts earns more than chaining sanctums in my carrier. I already have a hulk pilot and an orca pilot, and i want to buy 3 new hulk pilots.
Amount of ISK i need: around 7b5. Maximum will be 8, minimum will be 7.
Profit: 7.5% per month, paid at the end of the month.
Timeframe : 2 to 3 months, depending on my gametime.
Collateral: I have a carrier to put as a collateral to cover the interest. However i don't have anything else to put as a collateral.
Why a 7.5% interest? : It's my first bond, and i have a very little collateral, if i want you to invest, i'll have to pay you well, right?
What could possibely go wrong? -hit by a car/burn my computers => in this case a friend of mine will close the bond and pay back the investors. -Lost sov in the system i live => highly improbable as i'm not in a theatre of a war. -I'm not able to mine enought to pay you back => Highly improbable, but if i see that i can't, i'll close the bond, sell the characters and repay the investors. -This could be a scam => well, you'll have to trust me, i can't prove it's not.
One last thing : i'm posting with an alt, but will reveal my main to investors.
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Candy Oshea
Amarr Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.07.15 01:06:00 -
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reserve me .01 isk
Please mail me from your main ___ iCandy Bonds
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2011.07.15 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie
-This could be a scam => well, you'll have to trust me, i can't prove it's not.
Please contract all of your assets to me for 0 isk. I'll accept the contracts and take a look at what you have and then we can talk about fulfilling your loan request. [ Casino | Loans ] |
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.15 01:50:00 -
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Might want to get an audit --------------------------------------- Tigerras's Audits and Third-Party Servicing |
Candy Oshea
Amarr Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.07.15 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tigerras Might want to get an audit
Shameless plug ftl.
Have you done an audit before? ___ iCandy Bonds
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.15 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Candy Oshea
Originally by: Tigerras Might want to get an audit
Shameless plug ftl.
Have you done an audit before?
Never recommended my service specifically, save for the link in my signature. My sig is the only self promotion I've done.
An audit in general would do this bond good, especially since the OP wants to keep his character secret, save from investors.
So, the shameless plug had a brief existance failure. --------------------------------------- Tigerras's Audits and Third-Party Servicing |
Phenomenologie
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Posted - 2011.07.15 09:08:00 -
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I'm a director in my corp. I have in hands a few billions each days. I'm a trusted person in my alliance, and my CEO will be able to confirm this. If you have any questions regarding this bond, please ask me in this thread.
And if i keep my main "secret", it's because mining with 4 accounts and an orca in 0.0 is a rather dangerous activity, and i don't wan't anyone but investors to know where it'll be.
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.07.15 10:06:00 -
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Are you in Goons by any chance? Nowt wrong with that if you are of course but sometimes makes funding round these parts a little trickier due to the bees' reputation for hijinks.
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Dunarad
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Posted - 2011.07.15 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dunarad on 15/07/2011 10:43:36 Edited by: Dunarad on 15/07/2011 10:43:07 Edit : offer removed till i get more info.
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Phenomenologie
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Posted - 2011.07.15 10:45:00 -
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I'm not a bee, nor allied to them.
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.07.15 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie I'm not a bee, nor allied to them.
Oh ok. Just that your bio has the sole phrase "POS gunner alt Mustachio Brown" (who is a bee). Care to share the reason for that?
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Phenomenologie
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Posted - 2011.07.15 11:24:00 -
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Tried to get this toon into goons back when we where in campain in the north. Goons where smarter than expected^^ You'll be able to check my main and alliance if willing to invest. I'm thinking of lowering the bond, as 7b5 might be a bit too much for a first one. If i don't get any offer till tomorow 12h eve time, i'll reduce the bond to 2b5 to buy only one toon.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.07.15 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie Tried to get this toon into goons back when we where in campain in the north. Goons where smarter than expected^^ You'll be able to check my main and alliance if willing to invest. I'm thinking of lowering the bond, as 7b5 might be a bit too much for a first one. If i don't get any offer till tomorow 12h eve time, i'll reduce the bond to 2b5 to buy only one toon.
Try 100m mate.........You might get somebody who's feeling charitable
Amidst a good few poor offers recently this is, BY FAR, the poorest
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Phenomenologie
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Posted - 2011.07.15 13:42:00 -
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Well, if you don't want to invest, it's your problem. But saying that a 7.5% interest rate each month is bad, you must be a troll.
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analtanalt
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Posted - 2011.07.15 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie Well, if you don't want to invest, it's your problem. But saying that a 7.5% interest rate each month is bad, you must be a troll.
Saying the offer is ppoor is about more than interest rate.
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Phenomenologie
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Posted - 2011.07.15 22:56:00 -
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Maybe you could enlighten me ? Why is this bond "poor"?
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.15 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie Maybe you could enlighten me ? Why is this bond "poor"?
First bond, and asking for 7.5 bn.
Using the Bond to purchase additional characters.
Secrecy about your main.
You've admitted to trying (and failing) to utilizing subversive tactics against Goons.
That should be sufficient for now. Essentially it's poor because of the risk vs reward ratio. True, 7.5% is good for a bond, but doesn't make up for the risk, as evidenced by the lack of support here.
Options to make this bond more likely to be filled: 1. An Audit. This doesn't have to disclose your main to everyone, just to the auditor. 2. Starting Smaller. Your 2.5 bn bond would be more likely. 3. Collateral. You have to have something that can be utilized, even for partial. however full collateral would be best. --------------------------------------- Tigerras's Audits and Third-Party Servicing |
Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2011.07.16 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie I'm a director in my corp. I have in hands a few billions each days. I'm a trusted person in my alliance, and my CEO will be able to confirm this. If you have any questions regarding this bond, please ask me in this thread.
If your corporation and alliance already trust you, why not get funding from within those groups?
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Phenomenologie
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Posted - 2011.07.16 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Phenomenologie on 16/07/2011 12:26:38
Originally by: Tigerras
Options to make this bond more likely to be filled: 1. An Audit. This doesn't have to disclose your main to everyone, just to the auditor. 2. Starting Smaller. Your 2.5 bn bond would be more likely. 3. Collateral. You have to have something that can be utilized, even for partial. however full collateral would be best.
1. an audit is not happening. My API is used to log in on TS and on our forums. furthemore, giving my full API will give you acces to eve-mails, which contains important information like ennemies and allies super pilots, diplo stuff or spies. 2.I will close this bond and make a new one in a few days, giving me the time to calculate some stuff. 3.I'll put a collateral covering around 50% of the bond. i can't immobilize more assets than that.
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2011.07.16 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie 3.I'll put a collateral covering around 50% of the bond. i can't immobilize more assets than that.
A mult-billion isk offering for an unknown pilot with less than 100% collateral has a 0% chance of being filled.
You need either collateral or reputation to get what you want. You are offering neither.
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Phenomenologie Edited by: Phenomenologie on 16/07/2011 12:26:38
Originally by: Tigerras
Options to make this bond more likely to be filled: 1. An Audit. This doesn't have to disclose your main to everyone, just to the auditor. 2. Starting Smaller. Your 2.5 bn bond would be more likely. 3. Collateral. You have to have something that can be utilized, even for partial. however full collateral would be best.
1. an audit is not happening. My API is used to log in on TS and on our forums. furthemore, giving my full API will give you acces to eve-mails, which contains important information like ennemies and allies super pilots, diplo stuff or spies. 2.I will close this bond and make a new one in a few days, giving me the time to calculate some stuff. 3.I'll put a collateral covering around 50% of the bond. i can't immobilize more assets than that.
Perhaps I should have mentioned you probably need 2 of the 3 to succeed. A good auditor will be discreet and not disclose any of the info in your alliance mail...unles it says something like "about to scam md out of 8 bn isk" --------------------------------------- Tigerras's Audits and Third-Party Servicing |
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