Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 16:05:00 -
[31]
Originally by: StonerPhReaK The sig in question is present in both systems (the wh and exit system) whichever one gets scanned and warped to first is the one that get the entrance tag.Just because you scan it and dont warp doesnt mean it doesnt exist on the other side.If the sig happens to be found from the other side you will gain another static and what would have been your static becomes a random.
Yeah thats not how it works at all.
|
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Probable
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 16:27:00 -
[32]
Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: StonerPhReaK The sig in question is present in both systems (the wh and exit system) whichever one gets scanned and warped to first is the one that get the entrance tag.Just because you scan it and dont warp doesnt mean it doesnt exist on the other side.If the sig happens to be found from the other side you will gain another static and what would have been your static becomes a random.
Yeah thats not how it works at all.
Yousure?
|
XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 16:34:00 -
[33]
Originally by: StonerPhReaK
Originally by: XXSketchxx
Originally by: StonerPhReaK The sig in question is present in both systems (the wh and exit system) whichever one gets scanned and warped to first is the one that get the entrance tag.Just because you scan it and dont warp doesnt mean it doesnt exist on the other side.If the sig happens to be found from the other side you will gain another static and what would have been your static becomes a random.
Yeah thats not how it works at all.
Yousure?
Did you bother to read this thread or just post whatever random thought came to mind?
|
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Probable
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 16:40:00 -
[34]
Edited by: StonerPhReaK on 06/08/2011 16:42:23 Edited by: StonerPhReaK on 06/08/2011 16:40:58 To: XXmynamewastakenXX , Yes,Ive actually lived in a wh since day 7.Seen everything from moving pos's to 7 hs statics.What i said is in response to thinking that "if you close your exit and scan the next one without warping to it your safe" which is def not how it works.
As soon as an exit to a wh is generated its other end is as well.
The exit is there to be found either way.Whether inside or out.How do you think the first wh which had a static was found.From the outside where the static would have been had it been scanned from the inside.Unless ccp just moveme'd to the nearest wh and let me scan out from the inside starting this whole wh trend.
L2wh
|
XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 16:46:00 -
[35]
Originally by: StonerPhReaK Edited by: StonerPhReaK on 06/08/2011 16:42:23 Edited by: StonerPhReaK on 06/08/2011 16:40:58 To: XXmynamewastakenXX , Yes,Ive actually lived in a wh since day 7.Seen everything from moving pos's to 7 hs statics.What i said is in response to thinking that "if you close your exit and scan the next one without warping to it your safe" which is def not how it works.
As soon as an exit to a wh is generated its other end is as well.
The exit is there to be found either way.Whether inside or out.How do you think the first wh which had a static was found.From the outside where the static would have been had it been scanned from the inside.Unless ccp just moveme'd to the nearest wh and let me scan out from the inside starting this whole wh trend.
L2wh
OMG DAY 7????
WOW YOURE SO AMAZING I JUST CANT ARGUE WITH YOU!
Read the thread. This has already been debated. The K162 is likely not there; if you do not initiate warp to your static you can essentially "lock" that wormhole. I myself tested this many times, and had the wormhole hang around for days.
As for the first day, it is my belief that CCP spawned a bunch of wormholes on their own, but this is pure speculation.
sweet ad hominem attack on my name...I guess you're a freaky cool teenage stoner?
|
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Probable
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 16:57:00 -
[36]
Edited by: StonerPhReaK on 06/08/2011 17:03:26 Edited by: StonerPhReaK on 06/08/2011 17:00:28 It wasnt an attack at your name...all i could remember was the xx...Geeze calm down.You asked if i read and i replied"Yes" i did,And just because it was discussed doesnt mean the discussion was final.Right?
About the since day 7 thing.I was pointing out to you,whom thought i had not ran my own tests,that i have been around the proverbial whblock myself a few times.
About your use of the caps key.Dont yell at me,You claim to know stuff but yelling just makes you look like the teenage mentally challenged one.And really shows you cannot handle a grown up discussion about internetspacepixels.
Also should i consider your comment towards my name, by implying that you think i am a teenager? because teenagers think they know everything right?, an attack on my name? Should i stoop to your childish level and turn on capslockcruisecontrol? Grow up man.
If im wrong then prove it.Show me how you know for sure the wh doesnt spawn the exit when it spawns the entrace.Go ahead,Ill wait.
Until you can just let me give my opinion on my tests just as i have let you. Fair?
Updated to add space pixels to separate the jumbled words so children can read.
|
XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:02:00 -
[37]
Edited by: XXSketchxx on 06/08/2011 17:02:48
Originally by: StonerPhReaK It wasnt an attack at your name...all i could remember was the xx...Geeze calm down.You asked if i read and i replied"Yes" i did,And just because it was discussed doesnt mean the discussion was final.Right? About the since day 7 thing.I was pointing out to you,whom thought i had not ran my own tests,that i have been around the proverbial whblock myself a few times. About your use of the caps key.Dont yell at me,You claim to know stuff but yelling just makes you look like the teenage mentally challenged one.And really shows you cannot handle a grown up discussion about internetspacepixels. If im wrong then prove it.Show me how you know for sure the wh doesnt spawn the exit when it spawns the entrace.Go ahead,Ill wait.
Until you can just let me give my opinion on my tests just as i have let you. Fair?
The method to prove such a theory is one that no sane person is willing to undertake.
However, the tests I and others have conducted (to essentially lock the wormhole) suggest that what I say is the case. What is your reasoning for thinking your theory is right?
PS: the caps was for your rather arrogant remark of "ive been here since day 7 xxmynamewastaken" - which was rather rude
|
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Probable
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:12:00 -
[38]
Quote: The method to prove such a theory is one that no sane person is willing to undertake.
However, the tests I and others have conducted (to essentially lock the wormhole) suggest that what I say is the case. What is your reasoning for thinking your theory is right?
PS: the caps was for your rather arrogant remark of "ive been here since day 7 xxmynamewastaken" - which was rather rude
First off apologies for the seemingly rudeness on my part.Was jus stating that what im saying im not pulling out of my ass.As most people do in this community.
My reasoning was,We have "locked" ourselves in wh's as well and even though we have been pretty sure no one has scanned and warped to the exits someone has always found a way in.Whether as was stated through a random or from someone on the outside.Some of the instances have been explained.Like random wh etc.But there have been times when there was no jumps on our side,static still hasnt been warped to but people have still gotten in.From the outside.Through the static we (2 people) knew was there and havent warped to.Im just not willing to rule out the potential for the static to be generated from both sides when the sig goes live.
About being locked in for several days its possible that the wh sig on the other side spawned in a place where not many people scan.AKA hi sec pockets nullsec where wh are like bad juju and the like.It happens to us all the time.
Again im not tryin to troll or argue your tests etc.but to keep the discussion open and ongoing.To which i think we have done a good job at.But only for one another and not the rest.
|
Bo Pipe
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 21:49:00 -
[39]
Originally by: StonerPhReaK
Quote: The method to prove such a theory is one that no sane person is willing to undertake.
However, the tests I and others have conducted (to essentially lock the wormhole) suggest that what I say is the case. What is your reasoning for thinking your theory is right?
PS: the caps was for your rather arrogant remark of "ive been here since day 7 xxmynamewastaken" - which was rather rude
First off apologies for the seemingly rudeness on my part.Was jus stating that what im saying im not pulling out of my ass.As most people do in this community.
My reasoning was,We have "locked" ourselves in wh's as well and even though we have been pretty sure no one has scanned and warped to the exits someone has always found a way in.Whether as was stated through a random or from someone on the outside.Some of the instances have been explained.Like random wh etc.But there have been times when there was no jumps on our side,static still hasnt been warped to but people have still gotten in.From the outside.Through the static we (2 people) knew was there and havent warped to.Im just not willing to rule out the potential for the static to be generated from both sides when the sig goes live.
About being locked in for several days its possible that the wh sig on the other side spawned in a place where not many people scan.AKA hi sec pockets nullsec where wh are like bad juju and the like.It happens to us all the time.
Again im not tryin to troll or argue your tests etc.but to keep the discussion open and ongoing.To which i think we have done a good job at.But only for one another and not the rest.
The K162 side of a wormhole does not exist until someone initiates warp to the signature on the originating side. Period.
|
Bombzai
|
Posted - 2011.08.06 22:12:00 -
[40]
there seems to be a high level of confusion on the topic of entrances and exits. while there will be some speculation without hard formulae from CCP, reasonable observations can be made.
the first thing that is that a wormhole is like a gunshot: you don't get an exit wound until you have an entrance. This also applies to the sig sizing as well. a k162 is about the largest signature you're going to find when it comes to wormholes, under the idea that the ability to identify a position of weakness is the goal of the system (CCP wants conflict in these places).invisible k162's will not be 'prespawned' as an alternative x702 if found from the other side. this can be clearly seen by wormhole static>wormhole not showing as anything other than a k162 after it has been opened by the entrance hole side, otherwise this prespawned 2way idea would be easily observable in practice by a large number of wormhole occupants.
the second thing to consider is you have at least 2 loops of access occurring in any given wormhole system. the primary is the static hole happening daily, whether it be a wormhole to wormhole system, or a wormhole to high/low/null system. the secondary loop is the dynamic occurring within an unknown timeframe but reasonably often, often enough that a dynamic will spawn *on average* every 7 days or so. these dynamics will occur in every system eventually, and were the likely entry points for wormhole systems initially, although CCP may have been a little more liberal in their sprinkling at first. it's highly likely the spawn rates for anomalies/signatures are of a similar spread as the dynamics spawn rate, just as in radar/mag, rarer ladar, rarer gravimetric sites. the dynamics will not hang around for the length of time other signatures will however, and this can be shown by examination of lower entry systems with massive numbers of sigs/anoms that will not harbour large numbers of floating dynamics for redistribution.
hope this helps some of the confused out there.
|
|
Tauranon
Gallente Weeesearch
|
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:05:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Tauranon on 09/08/2011 08:05:53
Originally by: StonerPhReaK
The exit is there to be found either way.Whether inside or out.How do you think the first wh which had a static was found.From the outside where the static would have been had it been scanned from the inside.Unless ccp just moveme'd to the nearest wh and let me scan out from the inside starting this whole wh trend.
L2wh
The first player to get into W-space from K-space on tranquility did so via a random wormhole, and not via the k162 side of a static. I scanned about 10 systems a couple of weeks ago. I found one of those. I have no idea what the distribution is on average, but in general I usually find one on a 10 system empire scanning binge. I've even found k-space to k-space often enough.
|
Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
|
Posted - 2011.08.09 09:21:00 -
[42]
Originally by: StonerPhReaK The sig in question is present in both systems (the wh and exit system) whichever one gets scanned and warped to first is the one that get the entrance tag.Just because you scan it and dont warp doesnt mean it doesnt exist on the other side.If the sig happens to be found from the other side you will gain another static and what would have been your static becomes a random.
This is wrong. --- Drykor - AHARM |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics
|
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:28:00 -
[43]
the ammount of guesses and faulty assumptions in this thread makes me wonder if any of you really do test your theories in any sort of disciplined, scientific fashion at all.
-1 for confusing all those poor wh newbs, except drykor =P
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |