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Otto Weston
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Posted - 2011.07.22 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Otto Weston on 22/07/2011 13:09:47 I don't currently pilot a Black Ops ship, and don't have first-hand experience with its uses. But from what I have seen and heard from other people, it needs a role to make it special and worthwhile. This isn't a Black Ops flaming thread just a thought to help them become useful.
I have been thinking of balances which would both add new depths to EVE online and give Black Ops Battleships a use without making them Over-Powered. I have come up with an idea which I believe would make POS warfare a lot more fun and gives Black Op Ships more versatility and uses, both solo and in gangs.
So here is my proposal:
1. Allow Black Ops ships to be able to target and fire weapons within POS shields. (No warp disrupting or Drones/smartbombs though). Just weapons.
2. Add a Black Ops specific module (like the HICTOR's "Warp Disruption Field Generator")that takes up a valuable high slot but allows Black Ops Ships to go through enemy POS shields without a Pass-word or high standing. Maybe named, "Force Field Interfacer"
If left like that, Black Ops BS's would be totally OP, so here is my proposal to add a counter
The counter:
1.Add a POS structure called "Interior Defense 'Autocannon' Battery" or "Interior Defense 'Laser' battery" etc. that can only fire within POS shields. Therefore any Black Op BS's will get targeted if they de-cloak within enemy POS's if said Pos's have that module.
2. Possibly add a POS structure called "Interior Defense Deterrent" which effectively warp scrambles any enemy Black Ops ship that has got within the shields. As a detterent against Black Ops Ships and makes any incursion a little more dangerous.
3. Add a POS structure, maybe called, "Shield Coding Firewall" which, while it is active, makes the POS force field invulnerable to the Black OPs "Force Field Interfacer" so enemy Black Ops Ships can't get in. As a drawback, it could use up a lot of CPU etc.
Example Situations:
POS in space, does not have any of the anti-Black OP structures. A black Ops ship with the "Force Field Interfacer" gets through the force field and blows up an Orca that couldn't align away fast enough. The Black-Ops ship is in no danger and so slowly destroys the POS from the inside.(Un-protected POS's get destroyed easily, POS offense is now a role for Black Ops Ships)
POS in space, has a singular "Interior Defense 'Laser' Battery". A black ops ship gets through the Force Field and de-cloaks to be immediately targetted by the defense battery. The Black Ops ship manages to destroy the defense battery but is hurt badly, only to be finished off by another Black Ops ship that is owned by the POS owners. (Black Ops Ships get two roles, POS defense against other Black Ops ships, and Pos offense)
POS in space, has a "Shield Coding firewall" structure. A black ops ship sees this and calls in reinforcements to knock out the module. A fleet warps in, destroys the "Shield Coding Firewall" and warps off, so that the Black Ops Ship can wreak his havoc inside the POS. (fleet tactics with a Black Ops ship, requires a fleet to knock out the shield firewall)
Conclusion:
I believe that the changes I have proposed should easily bring another level to POS warfare, where Black OPS ships can play both in offense and defense. POS owners can choose to not have the Anti- Black OPS defense structures as they use up the CPU etc. that could be put to use for ordinary batteries and defenses, but are at risk. I think the additions of those Anti-Black OPS defense structures easily balance the changes to the Black Ops Ships and do not leave anything OP.
Pls Criticize at will. I understand that this would have to go through extensive testing and balancing issues, to find out the amount of POS requirements for each structure etc.
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Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
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Posted - 2011.07.22 14:26:00 -
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Sadly this would nerf POSs into oblivion, think about what small alliances do in places like the great wildlands, they deploy a POS and live out of it. If you make it a choice between a black-ops proof POS or one that has defenses it is over, no protection for cynoing in, no way to avoid getting bumped out of the shield, no way of deterring a small force from killing your pos.
So I have to say poor idea.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.07.22 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 22/07/2011 14:54:24
Originally by: Kalia Masaer
So I have to say poor idea.
+100 to this. its a poor idea
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.22 15:36:00 -
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Oh cool.
You have literally no experience with a Black Ops ship but feel you should write a proposal to change it.
Perhaps you should work for CCP, as they do the exact same thing.
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Otto Weston
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:06:00 -
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Kalia, I wasn't saying to choose between Anti-Black Ops defense and ordinary defense, but to find a balance between the two. A balance, like everything else in EVE.
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Otto Weston
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Posted - 2011.07.23 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: EnderCapitalG Oh cool.
You have literally no experience with a Black Ops ship but feel you should write a proposal to change it.
Perhaps you should work for CCP, as they do the exact same thing.
I have no first hand experience with Black Ops Ships but regularly fly force Recons and Covert Ops ships. Without the ability to warp cloaked, I believe Black Ops Ships to be totally under-powered and I don't believe CCP will change that. Therefore this proposed change of mine was designed to buff Black Ops Ships and add a new level to EVE POS warfare. Atm, the only way to attack it is to either use over-whelming numbers or Capital Ships.
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Kalia Masaer
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
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Posted - 2011.07.23 04:42:00 -
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Black ops need a buff. POS do not need to be nerfed militarily, as I know of one fellow who along with his alt has killed numerous POS.
Adding a way for Black ops to inflict economic damage on a POS would be interesting though, such as disabling reactors and mining arrays.
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AmarrDreamGirl
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Posted - 2011.07.23 09:34:00 -
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No, no, no ..........and no. One of the worst idea i ever seen.
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Otto Weston
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Posted - 2011.07.23 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: AmarrDreamGirl No, no, no ..........and no. One of the worst idea i ever seen.
Could you please explain and justify your opinion regarding my proposal?
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Llambda
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.23 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Otto Weston
Originally by: AmarrDreamGirl No, no, no ..........and no. One of the worst idea i ever seen.
Could you please explain and justify your opinion regarding my proposal?
This idea is so bad that it doesn't really warrant an explanation.
Apparently you couldn't think of a hole for blackops to fill, so you dug one yourself.
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.07.23 17:31:00 -
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Super cool idea and I love it. But as said, it destroys the ability to use a POS as a base of operation. So I'm going to have to vote against.
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Dani Leone
Gallente Imperfect Bliss
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Posted - 2011.07.23 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Otto Weston Edited by: Otto Weston on 22/07/2011 13:09:47 I don't currently pilot a Black Ops ship, and don't have first-hand experience with its uses. ....
As a former Black ops pilot, I stopped reading at this point.
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bartos100
DARK ADAMA Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.07.23 21:29:00 -
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i don't have a BO but i was in some BO op's and the biggest pain is the range and fuel needs of the jump portal you need 1 or more cloaky haulers to bring more fuel else you run out in in 1 or 2 jumps depending on the amount of ships you have to get thru the portal
and having locations where you have to use a gate to get to the next system as the range is not enough to jump is just stupid
and for god sake fix the resist profiles to t2 atm a BO has a worse tank then it's t1 hull :(
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Kaimar Redcloud
Gallente Beagle Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.24 06:44:00 -
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awful idea. since they moved the guns outside the pos shields, it's almost impossible to defend one as it is. Now you want to bring an enemy ship inside the shields? There wouldn't be any point to having a pos at all. Yes BO's need a buff, but this ain't it. ----------------------------------------------- Vestri puteus res est sterilis pro ego sum nex
(Your well-being is vain for I am death)
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