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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.23 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: xKillswitchx on 23/07/2011 22:04:27 .....
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.23 22:07:00 -
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holding spot
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.23 22:24:00 -
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holding spot |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2011.07.23 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 23/07/2011 22:31:43
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Herman Klaus
Caldari Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2011.07.23 22:39:00 -
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IBTL
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.07.24 01:07:00 -
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3%bi weekly would be alright for a collateral bond, yours is not.
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
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Posted - 2011.07.24 07:54:00 -
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Not that this would necessarily point to a scam but two concerns would be:
- The history of character trading (with xKillswitchx being a bought char).
- The fear that the number of GTCs you (and the char acting as the buyer of xKillswitchx in afore mentioned char sale) have sold lately could only have come from you finding a suitcase full of Mafia cash which you poured into GTCs. What if the Mafia want their money back?
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.24 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: xKillswitchx on 24/07/2011 09:40:12 I already have the isk I need as you pointed out from some GTC sales over the last 6 or so months. That is not the point. I'm offering this because I want to move into something larger down the road that will take a lot more than 20 Billion isk. So the intent is to do a couple of these bonds and make people some isk before I move towards something larger.
If you feel this is a scam, then you are under no obligation to invest with me. In every investment on this thread there is a certain amount of risk taken.
My goods are already in place and selling so the network is already working. This bond is again being used solely to build up investment credibility.
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Victoria Arnolles
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Posted - 2011.07.24 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: xKillswitchx This bond is again being used solely to build up investment credibility.
Hint: You're doing it wrong.
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Tu Ko
Predator's Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.24 09:57:00 -
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This will be my third time investing with killswitch. He has made good on all previous investment strategies. No I'm not his alt.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.24 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tu Ko This will be my third time investing with killswitch. He has made good on all previous investment strategies. No I'm not his alt.
thats EXACTLY what his alt would say!
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.24 17:19:00 -
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12.5 Billion isk raised so far. Still looking for another 7.5 Bil more. Bond will officially start when I receive the full 20 Billion isk or on 1 August with the existing investors.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.07.24 20:14:00 -
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Sorry but I just can't take anyone seriously whose name begins and ends with x.
I take them even less seriously when they tell me :- "I run a large market trade operation across several regions and various trade hubs"
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.24 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Sorry but I just can't take anyone seriously whose name begins and ends with x.
I take them even less seriously when they tell me :- "I run a large market trade operation across several regions and various trade hubs"
It's easy to run trades across a few regions. I lived in Vale before the fall so I still have a lot of items for sale there, then I have a large share of my items in Delve and now moving into Period Basis.
The point is, most people have billions of isk sitting around not doing much. I'm offering people a way to make 6% interest on the isk they have sitting around. If you want to invest you can or you can invest with someone else, no hard feelings.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:14:00 -
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I dunno what you do but I'm a trader. It is NOT easy to run a multi region trading operation. And more pertinantly it's pretty pointless since the time involved could be more profitably used running a single region operation. Scammers have to 'make up' their trading operations and their obvious lack of knowledge about how trading actually works is what always gives them away.
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.25 15:15:00 -
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I am sure you know this already but war is good business if you are a trader. IÆve been fortunate in that the areas IÆve been a resident in have experienced some major conflicts. Now people can look at conflict in varying ways of either being good or bad. I look at it as an opportunity.
Last night in the C3N system in Delve there were 400+ ships destroyed in just a few hours. Fights like this happen routinely and they present people with a great opportunity to make isk. I provide PVP ships, mods, rigs and ammo to various hotspots and I have steady business. With large ship losses like last night, my sales only go up. Living in Delve/Period Basis, it is difficult to get steady stocks of ships and items like you can in empire. So those people who are willing to take the time and spend the isk to move things can make a lot of isk.
Some people run missions in empire; others will rat for hours on end. I spend my time moving items from empire and resell them in null sec. ItÆs a rather simple model though it can be time consuming.
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Victoria Arnolles
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Posted - 2011.07.25 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: xKillswitchx I spend my time moving items from empire and resell them in null sec.
Straight from the list "what not to say if you want public funding".
Originally by: Victoria Arnolles Hint: You're doing it wrong.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Arnolles
Originally by: xKillswitchx I spend my time moving items from empire and resell them in null sec.
Straight from the list "what not to say if you want public funding".
getting through Niarja is the most dangerous part of any 0.0 supply chain.
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.25 20:20:00 -
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I suppose station trading can be fun for some people but I prefer to not play the .01 isk games. The real money is in null sec trading, reactions and just generally filling the market void of which there are plenty. People pay for convience, they always have and they always will so making a 10% to 20% mark up is routine. Some things one can easily make 100% to 200% mark up. Null sec markets are just like any other market, there is a demand and a lack of supply. If you fill that demand then you can make a lot of isk. Obviously the more isk you have to play with, the larger the returns you can make. Hence why I am looking to expand my own operation. My monthly sales are well over 50 Billion isk with profits around 5 to 10 Bil a month. Right now my expenses are 750 Mil a month in current interest payments with another 300 Mil a month in POS fuel cost. By expanding my operation through this fund, I hope to double my profits and my total monthly sales.
Can I do this without the fund, sure. But I'd rather speed up the process a bit and offer others a chance to cash in on what I'm doing.
Those of you who have isk can let it sit in your wallet and do nothing, or you can take a chance on me and see how it works out. If you are skeptical then don't invest big, start out with 500 Mil and see how well it goes.
Nothing I'm discussing here is anything new or something that you all haven't already tried yourself. I'm just looking do it on a larger scale.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2011.07.26 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: Phoebe Halliwel on 26/07/2011 02:07:00 Nullsec market stocking is decent isk, but it's classed as a high risk investment. It would be good to see more of these offerings, but the borrower needs some awareness of what investors in MD want/expect, and attempt to address those concerns. "If you'd rather have isk idle is la-la-la not listening" is not a valid counter argument.
6% per month is too low. Station traders have been known to offer 10%+ The amount you're asking for is too high for a first offering Offer collateral in case your freighter/JF is ganked with masses of stock (or just your JF if it's the only one you have access to) Offering a limited API is not enough. Investors will want a full audit and possibly a performance audit, good luck getting one atm If people will privately invest, why are you in MD except to farm rep? Alluding to "bigger things" is not a great idea on your first offering Only one out your three investors even bothered to post on the forums, which suggests they are either alts, friends or past investors. Private investment is different to MD. This whole thread is pointless if those investors are classed as unknowns
On a sidenote, weren't you reported as having an emo rage meltdown on the ME forums on k.com a few months back? I can't remember the details but I'm sure it can be checked, apologies if it's someone else. If the character has sold since then, fair enough, but you didn't bother to give any disclosure about that (or your GTC selling) in the OP, which doesn't look entirely honest.
Sorry about the arrows, I've never clicked them before :P
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oulley spy
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Posted - 2011.07.26 02:33:00 -
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Scam. I'd rather u guys kept the money and put them in my scams. Like, srsly.
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.07.26 16:44:00 -
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-> the only investor you have supporting you is the smallest one, and the most likely to be an alt. Its easy to cover up 500m of investment from an alt, harder to "make up" 25-50% of the bond.
So should you continue this attempt I would recommend getting all private investors to post (as has been mentioned earlier) to show that they are invested. Clearly there is no privacy issue as you have posted their names. |
Arvo Laukkanen
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Posted - 2011.07.26 23:48:00 -
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The people are real. The cases are real. The rulings are final. Real cases! Real people! Judge Judy!
Ok ok on a serious note I have been doing this investing thing with or around xkillswitchx for a some time now and he is legit. Hes a smart guy and I have every confidence that he will continue to make good on my investment and keep dividends rolling in.
And as far as being a go to reference for this investment fund I hope this post will suffice, i'm really not interested in talking one on one to people about it, auto-reject on!
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.07.27 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arvo Laukkanen The people are real. The cases are real. The rulings are final. Real cases! Real people! Judge Judy!
Ok ok on a serious note I have been doing this investing thing with or around xkillswitchx for a some time now and he is legit. Hes a smart guy and I have every confidence that he will continue to make good on my investment and keep dividends rolling in.
And as far as being a go to reference for this investment fund I hope this post will suffice, i'm really not interested in talking one on one to people about it, auto-reject on!
Mail sent
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.07.27 02:02:00 -
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im p bad with dates OP, please help me.
Did you post this before or after your chimera got sploded on your own station? _________________________________________________
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DeepNIKE
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Posted - 2011.07.27 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: DeepNIKE on 27/07/2011 03:22:40 I've had isk invested with Killswitch for about a year. At first it was 2 billion and I've since increased my investment to 10 billion. At one point I asked for my money back to help finance a large purchase, and I had it back within a week. I'd estimate that I've made in excess of 3 billion isk just by giving Killswitch isk that I was not using. He is a good businessman, knows what to sell and what not to, and has made himself and myself a very healthy profit. There is no one in eve I trust more than Killswitch.
I endorse his service and highly recommend him for anybody looking to put their isk to work.
EDIT: I am Quizzicality.
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.27 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Edited by: Phoebe Halliwel on 26/07/2011 02:07:00 Nullsec market stocking is decent isk, but it's classed as a high risk investment. It would be good to see more of these offerings, but the borrower needs some awareness of what investors in MD want/expect, and attempt to address those concerns. "If you'd rather have isk idle is la-la-la not listening" is not a valid counter argument.
6% per month is too low. Station traders have been known to offer 10%+ The amount you're asking for is too high for a first offering Offer collateral in case your freighter/JF is ganked with masses of stock (or just your JF if it's the only one you have access to) Offering a limited API is not enough. Investors will want a full audit and possibly a performance audit, good luck getting one atm If people will privately invest, why are you in MD except to farm rep? Alluding to "bigger things" is not a great idea on your first offering Only one out your three investors even bothered to post on the forums, which suggests they are either alts, friends or past investors. Private investment is different to MD. This whole thread is pointless if those investors are classed as unknowns
On a sidenote, weren't you reported as having an emo rage meltdown on the ME forums on k.com a few months back? I can't remember the details but I'm sure it can be checked, apologies if it's someone else. If the character has sold since then, fair enough, but you didn't bother to give any disclosure about that (or your GTC selling) in the OP, which doesn't look entirely honest.
Sorry about the arrows, I've never clicked them before :P
OK so Phoebe Halliwel asked some good questions and I will do my best to answer. Yes I bought killswitch a while back. I liquidated my other account and all the market trading I had done with it and sold that toon and with the isk, I was able to buy killswitch. I feel it was an upgrade as I bought a toon with 35 Mil more SP. Yes I have bought and sold a few GTCs over time. I worked in Iraq for the last 4 years so my EVE time was always limited along with connectivity so purchasing a few GTCs to keep me PVPing or doing whatever I was doing was easy and legit.
Collateral, I understand some people would like that but for one I donÆt know who I could trust with a large piece of collateral and if I gave it to a current investor I am sure people on here would cry foul. Besides, I need all the isk and JF I have to keep the business operational.
Safety, all items purchased or built in empire are moved with an NPC alt so I do not have to worry about a war dec slowing me down. I also do not have to worry about someone deciding they want to target me personally as this toon is almost exclusively in null sec where I have plenty of Brick and MM trying to kill me.
Right now I have 12.5 Bil from investors; I am only looking for 7.5 Bil more. I decided to open up this bond because I want to expand my current operations a bit faster. As you all know, you will make more isk from 20 Billion than you will from 10 Billion. There is nothing new or exciting that I am doing in this bond that others in this thread arenÆt already doing. I didnÆt ask for a 5 Billion isk bond because frankly I am way above operating with 5 Billion isk. All of EVE is a risk and so is investing, if you really have a concern donÆt invest with me, if you are willing to take a risk, then invest what you feel comfortable with.
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Junnichi Asakura
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Posted - 2011.07.27 11:45:00 -
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Put me down for 2b investment. Mail me ingame and i'll send the isk next time i'm on (c. 10 hours from now)
Cheers JA
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xKillswitchx
APEX ARDENT COALITION Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.27 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Junnichi Asakura Put me down for 2b investment. Mail me ingame and i'll send the isk next time i'm on (c. 10 hours from now)
Cheers JA
Message sent, I'll update the page with your investment when the isk is received. Thank you for your investment. I hope we can continue to do business well into the future.
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Junnichi Asakura
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Posted - 2011.07.28 06:31:00 -
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Isk and mail sent.
Look forwards to doing profitable business with you in the future :)
JA
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