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Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:03:00 -
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It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.
Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.
Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.
This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.
The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.
Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.
This will make Gallente more unique. "Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |
Marcus Gideon
Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
30
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:10:00 -
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Amarr = Lasers Caldari = Missiles Gallente = Hybrids Minmatar = Projectiles
Drones are just additional damage. I'll admit, Caldari also use Hybrids, which takes away some of their flair. But a few ships from the other races also use missiles.
In general, it seems the races aren't ready to dedicate completely and totally to a single weapon system. |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
140
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Posted - 2012.09.20 02:44:00 -
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Gallente have dedicated drone carriers (Capital Ships not included) I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1729
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:23:00 -
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I'll summarize: no. |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
91
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:27:00 -
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I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
241
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:40:00 -
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FireT wrote:I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction.
I think winmatar is pretty unique with its awesomeness of having no real drawbacks or weaknesses. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
667
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Posted - 2012.09.20 04:00:00 -
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By this logic, all Amarr turret slots should be limited to lasers, all Caldari missile slots limited to guided missile launchers, etc.
Drones on all larger ships as point defense makes sense. We don't want every BS in the game to have to downgrade guns to deal with smaller ships (and no, ACs can't hit smaller targets without problems and no, missiles can't do anything reasonable to small/fast targets... yet).
Drones provide a needed mechanism to supplement the abilities of larger ships to deal with smaller targets; this is intended and needed. The fact that they also act as a main weapon system for some Gallente and a few Amarr ships is actually the fluke here, but I think a rather fortunate one. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.09.20 05:42:00 -
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OP probably refers to the fact that announced changes to (mostly) frigs make it so that this winter everyone and their moms will have huge (comparatively) drone bays. 20m3 of drones for a frig will be nothing to write home about.
I don't really mind it as long as it works though. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.09.20 06:41:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote: Amarr = Lasers (OR missiles) / Drones Caldari = Missiles / Hybrids (drones tertiary) Gallente = Hybrids / Drones Minmatar = Projectiles / Missiles (drones tertiary)
Drones are just additional damage. I'll admit, Caldari also use Hybrids, which takes away some of their flair. But a few ships from the other races also use missiles.
In general, it seems the races aren't ready to dedicate completely and totally to a single weapon system.
Fixed. All 4 races have a primary and secondary for their basic types. Gallente and Amarr get drone boats. Caldari gets Gun boats. Minmitar... well.. cross weapon ships can be effective, if a bit odd in layout, but hey, projectiles make up for it. ;)
P.S.: Amarr oddly also has a 3rd path with a few missile based boats.
There is nothing wrong with other races having drones. I do feel however that Gallente / Minmatar should never have drone bonus on ships, and there should be more boats for Gallente in particular, but Amarr as well that have a little more drone bonus for flavor (even if its just 1 bonus, like speed, or tracking, etc). |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1251
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:02:00 -
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There is solid and simple logic behind Gal and Amarr having drones:
Both have situational weapons with limited damage types. Drones improve their damage application and expand damage types.
Minmatar and Caldari have better damage projection and no dmg type limitations, and thus only need light drones on large ships for point defense.
Also, consider flavor. This is a game, people like things for irrational reasons. Homogenising races may decrease emotional response. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
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Accki
Toxic State Terra Axiom
0
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:14:00 -
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It dissapoints me that my torpedos cant kill frigates effectively, i mean come on who's bright idea was it to have a large explosion radius deemed less leathal to small crap
you can keep your drones when my missiles become true to explosions IRL
ie large blast radius more damge done which inturns into an AOE weapon
(can see it now a swam of frigates just vanish as the citadel hits home) |
Ava Starfire
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
413
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:35:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:FireT wrote:I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction. I think winmatar is pretty unique with its awesomeness of having no real drawbacks or weaknesses.
2/10, mostly for using the old favorite "winmatar" argument |
Drew Solaert
Wildcard Inc.
216
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:47:00 -
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Accki wrote:It dissapoints me that my torpedos cant kill frigates effectively, i mean come on who's bright idea was it to have a large explosion radius deemed less leathal to small crap you can keep your drones when my missiles become true to explosions IRL ie large blast radius more damge done which inturns into an AOE weapon (can see it now a swam of frigates just vanish as the citadel hits home)
Once apon a time when EvE was new, Torps DID do AoE damage.
I lied :o
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Alayna Le'line
25
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:00:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.
Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.
Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.
This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.
The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.
Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.
This will make Gallente more unique.
It's easier for them to relegate drones to a secondary weapons system than to fix them.
The fact that Ytterbium is in charge of the revamp should say enough, as the above is something he said literally, if you care enough you can dig it up in one of the frigate rebalance threadnaughts quoted by someone (since the original got redacted...). |
Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:38:00 -
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FireT wrote:I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction.
You're gonna get upset when you see the missile changes then :)
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1253
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:15:00 -
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Alayna Le'line wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.
Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.
Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.
This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.
The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.
Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.
This will make Gallente more unique. It's easier for them to relegate drones to a secondary weapons system than to fix them. The fact that Ytterbium is in charge of the revamp should say enough, as the above is something he said literally, if you care enough you can dig it up in one of the frigate rebalance threadnaughts quoted by someone (since the original got redacted...). The fact that drones are pretty broken (as a main weapon system) and apparently have been for a long while make it so nobody really cares about them anymore which makes 'stealthily' pushing this through rather easy.
The ships that use drones as main weapons are far from broken, and that fact kind of invalidates your whole argument.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:58:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:I'll summarize: no. what he said.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:02:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.
Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.
Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.
This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.
The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.
Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.
This will make Gallente more unique.
So let's take your idea to the next logical step: x Only Minnie ships should be able to fit projectiles, irrespective of ship bonuses x Only Caldari ships should be able to fit missile launchers, irrespective of ship bonuses x Only Gallente ships should be able to fit hybrids, irrespective of ship bonuses x Only Amarr ships should be able to fit lasers, irrespective of ship bonuses x All faction/pirate ships should be removed from game, because purity of ships is required x Toons of race -X- should ONLY be able to fly those ships of that race x Toons of race -X- should ONLY be able to train (for example) the Encryption Methods for that given race x Toons of race -X- should never be able to enter the space of another race without Navies and that race's toon coming after them immediately for violating the purity of their space
See where I'm going with this? |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
214
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:12:00 -
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Drones are for everybody!!
Yes, I agree only Gallente and Amarr should be specialized in them but that doesn't mean Caldari and Minmatar should have their drone bays cancelled? I am all fine with Caldari ships to have some drones in their cruiser+ hulls as long the drone specialized ships and big drone bays are reserved for Gallente and Amarr. For the most part the revamped T1 ships are gonna be very interesting and as much I like people voicing their opinion on subjects important for them I don't see the reason for dramatic posts coming from almost nowhere.
Versatility rules, but specialization is key!
Pinky |
Lavitakus Bromier
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:38:00 -
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If drones only go.to amarr/gal I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...
Plus why would minitards and caldari not want the awesomeness that are drones |
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CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
203
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:58:00 -
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Caldari Pilot #1: Hey, you see that Gallente boat? He had these drone-things that ripped up our frigates. Nasty little devils.
Caldari Pilot #2: Well, want our R&D departments to build our own? Might not be able to have as much space for them considering our missile payloads, but we can manage it.
Caldari Pilot #1: ...naaaah. Useful as they seem, I don't think it quite fits our style of doing things. Ahwell.
You're right. What race in their right mind would ever adopt a useful addition to their capabilities simply because it 'belongs' to other races?
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Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
86
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:04:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.
And ...?
How many ships with drone bonuses can you find in the Minmatar or Caldari ship lineup?
Drones _are_ a Gallente speciality. Of the main factions, only Gallente have drone-bonused ships in basically all sizes. But just like you can strap autocannons on a Rokh, other factions can use drones. Heck, you can even shield-tank Amarr ships, and put missile launchers on Gallente ships. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
86
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:07:00 -
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Lavitakus Bromier wrote:If drones only go.to amarr/gal I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...
Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake? |
Lavitakus Bromier
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:37:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:Lavitakus Bromier wrote:If drones only go.to amarr/gal I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly... Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake?
It's not enough I want more |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:51:00 -
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Lavitakus Bromier wrote:Exploited Engineer wrote:Lavitakus Bromier wrote:If drones only go.to amarr/gal I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly... Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake? It's not enough I want more
Carrier. Problem solved. |
Romvex
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
24
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:54:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Lavitakus Bromier wrote:Exploited Engineer wrote:Lavitakus Bromier wrote:If drones only go.to amarr/gal I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly... Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake? It's not enough I want more Carrier. Problem solved.
yes carriers have missile launchers. Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
204
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:50:00 -
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Romvex wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Lavitakus Bromier wrote:Exploited Engineer wrote:Lavitakus Bromier wrote:If drones only go.to amarr/gal I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly... Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake? It's not enough I want more Carrier. Problem solved. yes carriers have missile launchers.
Let's keep it accurate, then. They can only use Defender missiles.
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Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:41:00 -
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He's right, but then people come in making points like how Battleships need drones to hit frigates, or if drones are only usable on Gallente, then projectiles should only be used on Minmatar.
But they take it too far, and so does the OP.
He is right that too many Caldari and Minmatar ships have drones - ships like the Moa, Stabber, Caracal, Omen, have small amounts of drones for no reason which are basically useless (and only used for ECM Drones for the most part), so those drone bays should be nerfed proabably. But I don't think anyone would mind if Minmatar and Caldari BATTLESHIPS (and maybe Battlecruisers) got a decent drone bay - just as long as the Gallente equivalent had a much bigger drone bay.
It doesn't have to just be one or the other - we can compromise, Gallente can have drone-bonuses ships through all classes, Amarr can have drone-bonuses ships in all classes, but with generally less dedication to drones than Gallente. Minmatar and Caldari can have average drone bays as ships get bigger, but with no frigate drone-users and maybe only one cruiser each with a small drone bay.
In turn, after nerfing any stupid drone bays, like the one on the Omen, Stabber, etc.. they can add some extra dps to them or something to compensate.
This is the right thing to do, in my opinion, and it's a simple ******* thing. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
51
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:33:00 -
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OK, OK, lets give only the children with letters A-G the blue ball, H-R get red, and S- Z get green, hooray were all unique and we're all winners you get a gold star and you and you and little Jimmy gets a star...come on already why is there soooo much Mrs. Crabbits peaking from behind curtains worried about her neighbors goings son's. |
Dyvout Minerson
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 06:31:00 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:He's right, but then people come in making points like how Battleships need drones to hit frigates, or if drones are only usable on Gallente, then projectiles should only be used on Minmatar.
But they take it too far, and so does the OP.
He is right that too many Caldari and Minmatar ships have drones - ships like the Moa, Stabber, Caracal, Omen, have small amounts of drones for no reason which are basically useless (and only used for ECM Drones for the most part), so those drone bays should be nerfed proabably. But I don't think anyone would mind if Minmatar and Caldari BATTLESHIPS (and maybe Battlecruisers) got a decent drone bay - just as long as the Gallente equivalent had a much bigger drone bay.
It doesn't have to just be one or the other - we can compromise, Gallente can have drone-bonuses ships through all classes, Amarr can have drone-bonuses ships in all classes, but with generally less dedication to drones than Gallente. Minmatar and Caldari can have average drone bays as ships get bigger, but with no frigate drone-users and maybe only one cruiser each with a small drone bay.
In turn, after nerfing any stupid drone bays, like the one on the Omen, Stabber, etc.. they can add some extra dps to them or something to compensate.
This is the right thing to do, in my opinion, and it's a simple ******* thing.
You may want to read the upcoming notes on Cruisers. The Omen is getting a 40m drone bay. Its getting larger, not smaller. ;P |
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