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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:18:00 -
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CCP Recurve's new blog details the price indices for June 2011. Read all about it, and obtain the data here.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:23:00 -
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Graphs!
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Hiram Alexander
Caldari The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Hiram Alexander on 25/07/2011 11:33:03 Indeed.
(edit) Btw:
I see we don't have the required whine quota yet, so...
Quote: The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.
Are you having a laugh...? Is there someone in your department who expected the Plex prices to skyrocket? Nex was/is a disaster, so go figure... I wonder if the blip, had anything to do with griefer/loltears monocles, or folks like myself cashing in their worldly wealth for multi-plex because they refuse to pay any more 'til the game gets 'fixed' and/or CCP sees sense...?
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JEANETTERS
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:31:00 -
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That damn debt ceiling debate, it's shutting down economies even in the virtual world.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: ChromeStriker on 25/07/2011 11:34:24
MOAR GRAPH!!!
and so my money making schemes are foiled again... Curse you CCP for this useful information!
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Zevas
Infinite Origins
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:35:00 -
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Quote: The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.
CCP - providing evidence their AURUM strategy failed. Priceless.
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Dariel Ash
Caldari Foetus Mart
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dariel Ash on 25/07/2011 11:40:29 WTF?
But I like it! Thank you for devblogging.
As an aside, it IS interesting that PLEX prices only rose by about 0.4% in the month, and if CCP were good at PR (they haven't skilled this yes) they would have said that the NeX had over priced junk in it to prevent a sudden PLEX -> AURUM conversion in the majority of the player base thus causing the price of plex to rocket.
For now we'll just have to speculate that some of the people with stockpiles leaked them off to make sum extra profit.
Again, I love devblogs like this, nom nom nom.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.07.25 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hiram Alexander Is there someone in your department who expected the Plex prices to skyrocket? Nex was/is a disaster, so go figure...
have you already forgotten how people were before the incarna release ? they were hoping, and the plex market had raised a lot, ready to buy cheap clothes to resell them... until they saw the truth and most of these canceled their plans. plex price raised a lot before the launch, then crashed when seeing the patch. ps : but it's true it's tempting to troll the blogger here xD
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.07.25 12:04:00 -
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.07.25 12:08:00 -
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I wonder if the falling price of data cores is related to the lack of demand for ships?
Would people PvP less if their income stream was cut off at the knees?
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Anna Grahm
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.25 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hiram Alexander Edited by: Hiram Alexander on 25/07/2011 11:33:03 Indeed.
(edit) Btw:
I see we don't have the required whine quota yet, so...
Quote: The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.
Are you having a laugh...? Is there someone in your department who expected the Plex prices to skyrocket? Nex was/is a disaster, so go figure... I wonder if the blip, had anything to do with griefer/loltears monocles, or folks like myself cashing in their worldly wealth for multi-plex because they refuse to pay any more 'til the game gets 'fixed' and/or CCP sees sense...?
A number of players were complaining that PLEX would skyrocket since people would convert it all into aurum. This blog post refutes the claim
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.07.25 12:32:00 -
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I wonder what the monicle sales graph looks like!
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Kandreath
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Posted - 2011.07.25 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kandreath on 25/07/2011 12:49:29 Nice to see a new devblog. They seem to not be a frequent lately.
Is the price index going to be a regular blog now?
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.25 12:58:00 -
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Ahh...got my Dev Blog fix. I was going into convulsive shocks from a severe lack of Dev Blogginess. Oh and: GRAPHS! ______________________ ~Gnosis~ |
Gripen
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Posted - 2011.07.25 13:30:00 -
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Is this blog a replacement for the QEN? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.25 13:42:00 -
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[sarcasm]
So, they noticed how people are furiously trading PLEXes for AUR, right? They can't get enough PLEXes because everyone is so anxious to pay the appropiate, realistic, thoroughly thought out and ultimately affordable prices of EVE's MT scheme...
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.07.25 14:55:00 -
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Quote: The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.
Please tell me that you actually paid attention to the playerbase reaction when the Nex Store was released, and based on that reaction, you're not at all surprised that Plex prices fell.
If more Aurum-priced products had been released, at more varied price points, and had social areas been available for players to meet each other, then Plex prices would have risen.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.07.25 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QENs?
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TorTorden
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.25 15:40:00 -
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Seems to me CCP's game designers has enclosed them off in their own tiny little bubble and is singing not only off key but is humming lynnyrd skynnerd when the customers are singing zeppelin songs.
You guys should stop thinking enterily and just fix pos's and corp management. ------------------------------------------------ There is no such thing as good or evil. Just an egotistic struggle for self empowerment. ------------------------------------------------ |
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CCP Dr.EyjoG
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Posted - 2011.07.25 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.25 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
No more quarterly's? Aww man, that bums me out. Why the sudden change?
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Jiny Lee
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Posted - 2011.07.25 16:47:00 -
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Quote: The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions. Admittedly, the price rose throughout May, spiking around June 1, but it has since fallen back to previous levels, making the monthly average prices in May and June roughly equal.
And people still wonder why I call him Councelor Troy.
Honestly you release a product that by your own admition was far from ready for release with a full specturm of products for a fractional product that looks to the players like nothing more than a naked money grab.
that and frankly it aparently escaped your notice that Plex is bascialy exactly like Gold. any real increase in price will be maches by people diverting from the black market to the plexmarket, your recent change to allow single plex sales just made it easyer for people to justify an impulse buy of one plex worth ment that your losses of 2X sales was more than offset by 1X sales.
Lets be honest, no mater what you do and say, The Bunglers you work for are almost hellbent on beating anything you do or say to help them into poi.
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.25 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 25/07/2011 16:55:13
Originally by: J Kunjeh No more quarterly's? Aww man, that bums me out. Why the sudden change?
Because fudging the numbers to make the economy not look horribly broken is hard? Because CCP stopped giving a ****?
I'd settle for the public release of a few more back issues of Fearless; that would be far more illuminating than an economic newsletter for a 'sandbox' video game whose 'economy' is based on botting/RMTing and now microtransactions/dev interference. Make it happen, Doc!
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.25 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jiny Lee poi.
And once again I out a traiding alt of mine.
what is with the bloody forum settings lol .End of line.
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Mitchello
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but CCP has become entirely too easy to predict in its actions, inactions and decision patterns.
That has nothing to do with the value of transparancy I should add, it has everything to do with those actions, inactions and decision patterns.
That being said, in light of CCP's commitment on communication with its customers as reaffirmed by CCP recently in light of recent events, it would help to provide some insight to people who do not dig into matters. It prevents people from running off with assumptions, rather than conclusions. Insight in regards to your specific motivations for said changes.
After all, it is the divide between presentation and delivery which has unfortunately become a structural affair. I know, yes there is the argument of "there is too much insight from our customers into XYZ". That is understandable, but also quite wrong. It's an impression, rooted in very different things than the effective game dynamic. And yes, there is also the argument of sensitivity of data as well as variables. Now please do not take this the wrong way, but you do have rather unique customers, and you as CCP are part of the dynamic you created. The less information and communication provided, the more the dynamic becomes subject to study and analysis - and remember, that includes CCP as well as sensitive data and variables.
The worst thing to do, is to leave such gaps. Why? Because customers fill them in, in group behaviour bordering on social dynamics which creates its own momentum. Since CCP has an interesting dependancy there, in at minimum two ways, I do not think that is a road to ignore.
I fully understand that there is initiative and focus to take it deeper without showing too many cards. That is commendable. But can you understand that two out of three consumer/service currencies have been compromised? Belief, trust, leaving emotion standing solo. CCP itself has its own battle with that, as Zulu referred to more than once in the aftermath (or rather: pause) of recent events.
It is simply no longer enough to drop a hint, and then leave the stage. The dynamic has grown so much that what was fine in earlier days these days leaves vacuums (of information, communication, social interaction, and so forth). What happens with vacuums? Well, the same as the previous events of disruptions in the interdependancy between CCP and its customers.
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Ilkahn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:23:00 -
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BOO HISSS, this is full of fail sauce. I would like the QEN! It doesn't have to come via the paper work up that i'm sure was intensive before, and i do thank you for them and the work put into them.
We do want that information though, it gives us good statistics to put to our devious minds about whether ship production or LP conversion is coming to the top of lists amognst other things.
How about a market function for the future that gives us population figures, regional poppulations per month. Ship manufacturing in tonnage (Hi sec only would even hlep) There are lots of things we'd like to see.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Gallente Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
There are too many reasons to list here why I do not like THIS at all.
This is denying players information that has been relied upon for years. CCP is really changing too much to soon.
I truly do believe minds have been lost at CCP, they have absolutely no direction, and SEEM to be deliberately ANGERING as many players as can be humanly possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
The gaming world has NEVER seen this kind of mindless chaos sustained: over 30 days now since the intial protest.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED, and what is changing in not to our benefit in the slightest.
Please do not touch the beautiful format of the QEN or it's frequency.
THERE IS NO NEED. AT ALL. Sweet Jesus what are you trying to do here??? Can you give just ONE GOOD REASON why this should be? Just one ?
IS there even a plan anywhere at all at CCP ?? Anything concrete at all besides demanding the NEX store be there ??
More BS and nothing any different than IncarnaFail Day. It has not stopped yet, and frankly we players are too exhausted to be enthusistic about any of this.
I'm done. Too PO'd to do anythng but ramble like an idiot now.
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ilkahn BOO HISSS, this is full of fail sauce. I would like the QEN! It doesn't have to come via the paper work up that i'm sure was intensive before, and i do thank you for them and the work put into them.
Work? Intensive? It seems to me you'd set it up once (pulling # from a database, make a few graphs) and then automate it thereafter. Sprinkle with the 'insightful' commentary of your choice. Done.
CCP is changing EVE from a long-grind sandbox MMO to (F2P?) Barbies in Space with MT. Your subscription dollars/euros are tiding them over while they do it.
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Tebb1288
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:40:00 -
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Give us the quarterly QEN! It was one of my favorite parts of this game.
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:41:00 -
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Until you see it do not quote me but I am guessing is that all info in the QN will now be available but in Game ie in character. NPC corps will post a news item with the info. Aslong as a Wiki gets made linking all the data. Its a less resource intensive method and makes the game deeper.
CCP is making a big deal now of RP info giving just makes since that Market data would follow the same rules. Means that we will get more data more often.
Makes good content for a Market watch channel on the CQ main screen.
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
There are too many reasons to list here why I do not like THIS at all.
This is denying players information that has been relied upon for years. CCP is really changing too much to soon.
I truly do believe minds have been lost at CCP, they have absolutely no direction, and SEEM to be deliberately ANGERING as many players as can be humanly possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
Well, I can speak for myself only, but looks to me that giving the raw data to the players is a step forward compared to QEN. I can find much better use for raw data, especially if it would be available in CSV format like in this devblog.
After all, we did have an economy expert who isn't involved directly in everyday economy of EVE. Many conclusions and decisions by EVE's economic team were just wrong (or misleading at best). With this new format the players themselves will have enough information to make their own analysis and conclusions.
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Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 25/07/2011 17:56:58
Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor THERE IS NO NEED. AT ALL. Sweet Jesus what are you trying to do here??? Can you give just ONE GOOD REASON why this should be? Just one?
The QEN costs a lot of time & effort to compile, has lost its novelty value as a marketing instrument and was not especially useful to the people who care about EVE's in-game economy anyways.
Eventually giving us access to an automatically compiled collection of economic data (e.g. similar to FRED) would be cheaper for CCP and allows the community to do whatever analysis it desires.
The past QENs were just fluff pieces with shiny pictures - very little hard substance (which was usually presented in a not very transparent way), no analysis worth speaking of, no evaluation of past policy, no predictions, ... just shiny graphs, mostly useless metrics, and everything kept purely descriptive, ...
Only value was as marketing material and to impress new players.
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:58:00 -
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Did the first 3 minutes of the good doctor's fanfest presentation make anybody else's skin crawl?
"You are my heroes."
"Is anyone hungover?" (He's obviously more accustomed to interacting with CSM than interacting with the playerbase.)
Then he tricks the audience by asking them to give a round of applause for Turbefield and a couple of other CCP statistics guys and when the applause starts, he changes the powerpoint image to ALL CCP EMPLOYEES EVERYWHERE.
What a tool.
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.07.25 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
It has nothing to do with the fact people are interested in what Akita T has to say about the figures and not Dr.Eyjog
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Zirse
Minmatar ZED Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 25/07/2011 16:55:13
Originally by: J Kunjeh No more quarterly's? Aww man, that bums me out. Why the sudden change?
Because fudging the numbers to make the economy not look horribly broken is hard? Because CCP stopped giving a ****?
I'd settle for the public release of a few more back issues of Fearless; that would be far more illuminating than an economic newsletter for a 'sandbox' video game whose 'economy' is based on botting/RMTing and now microtransactions/dev interference. Make it happen, Doc!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP ****ING WHINING.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn I wonder if the falling price of data cores is related to the lack of demand for ships?
Would people PvP less if their income stream was cut off at the knees?
It has a lot to do with a dramatic decrease in the use of T2 ship fleets for fighting in null.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG We have not published QENs for 2010
Originally by: CCP Fallout Dr.EyjoG's newest dev blog introduces the most recent Quarterly Economic Report, covering the fourth quarter of 2010.
How's proofreading developing in Iceland? Anyone tried it yet?
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Takashi Kaeda
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG We have not published QENs for 2010
Originally by: CCP Fallout Dr.EyjoG's newest dev blog introduces the most recent Quarterly Economic Report, covering the fourth quarter of 2010.
How's proofreading developing in Iceland? Anyone tried it yet?
Bitter John Spergason alt detected.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi Kaeda
Bitter John Spergason alt detected.
You might want to get your detector looked at.
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mvrck22
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: The Offerer
Well, I can speak for myself only, but looks to me that giving the raw data to the players is a step forward compared to QEN. I can find much better use for raw data, especially if it would be available in CSV format like in this devblog.
After all, we did have an economy expert who isn't involved directly in everyday economy of EVE. Many conclusions and decisions by EVE's economic team were just wrong (or misleading at best). With this new format the players themselves will have enough information to make their own analysis and conclusions.
Which means you have to trust them to provide meaningful raw data, not the data for those 4 indexes which are not only restrictive but also well, a mess. Go over them for a bit, dig a little deeper, and you can see the preselections of type and category.
Besides, the raw data for those four indexes is out already.
Problem is, not only does this move strongly negate some very deep and binding aspects of EVE's gameplay - for a lot of us with jobs and lives who still like the puzzle even if we can't spend 6 hours a day having amazing fun shooting a structure - it also pushes us into another realm of mistrust. No way to verify data, unless CCP truly aim to deliver actual raw data ... something which in the past they have always refrained from under the argument of this being too much insight.
But I can understand people's concerns that too much insight is not good. Still, I can also understand that structural and consistant insight is required. A balance has to be found. Kneejerking into an extreme, is simply not an option. I would have thought that the last 4 years of such a tradition would have taught CCP that this does not lead to monetary rewards. It's the kind of thing that compromises the experience. But hey, I am sure it is possible to compensate through advertising campaigns to get engaged in another higher paced ratrace for direct sales right.
Look, CCP, if you really want to put your shoulders under it, please learn that communication is a two way street, and one which always requires a sense of urgency and a sense of perspective.
Right now, all that is visible is something too close to the impression of "it's too much, we don't want to do it anymore cause both us and eve being part of the dynamic is just getting too much, so instead of doing what has always worked for growing EVE we're just going to start cutting off pieces". I'm not saying that this is the situation, but you should understand that in absence of information and in light of established precedents it can not be a surprise that such impressions are created.
So, let's communicate!
And no, this is not something where the excuse of "anyone can write a paper on any position" flies.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.25 19:14:00 -
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QEN for AUR, calling it now.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.25 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: J Kunjeh on 25/07/2011 19:37:39 So yeah, color me disappointed in CCP today, presuming that the QEN really is dead. Jester, as usual, has posted some very pointed and insightful commentary on his latest blog post (why this guy didn't get voted onto CSM6, I'll never understand). ______________________ ~Gnosis~ |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2011.07.25 20:38:00 -
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425mm Railgun I Runs: 14,300,092 Traded: 2,362,769
Hybrids suck except for being a good mineral compression system I guess. Proof that Rorqual needs a buff I'm guessing. Proof that lowsec and 0.0 manufacturing needs buffing.
Perhaps highsec capital ships and rorquals sitting outside stations cooking off will likely be awesome. Also ya most of that stuff is going toward scaps which are ballooning because of the sov 4 nerf which also clearly has been shown not to be effective. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
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Miscells McGhee
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Posted - 2011.07.25 20:57:00 -
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CCP is slowly but surely taking away everything that made this game unique.
The Economy and the Community are the only two things that interest me about this game anymore, and they're already working to kill the second.
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Dealth Striker
Caldari Striker Ltd
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Posted - 2011.07.25 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh Edited by: J Kunjeh on 25/07/2011 19:37:39 So yeah, color me disappointed in CCP today, presuming that the QEN really is dead. Jester, as usual, has posted some very pointed and insightful commentary on his latest blog post (why this guy didn't get voted onto CSM6, I'll never understand).
I agree 100% with you and Jester. I rather enjoyed reading Jester's blog - CCP's was crap and nothing new that one who plays the market could figure out. I believe that things are going downhill and CCP does not want the numbers to come out. I think they might need more time to try and make things look better by playing with the numbers. ---------------------
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Kandreath
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Posted - 2011.07.25 22:06:00 -
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Oh dear, a second post from me on this thread. Is that against some kind of rule?
I totally missed that the release of this devblog also signals the end of the QEN. ;(
I'm not a hardcore marketer, but I do take a good read of the QEN when it arrives. If nothing else I find the content interesting as it shows "cause and effect" relationships that you can leverage, is it's just interesting for its own sake.
Personally I do try to puzzle out what would be good to make/buy/trade based on QEN's. Just the indices do not give me the same insight.
Lets not forget the QEN gave good information on population, ships, manufactured goods ect. It is this information I'd miss them most. The QEN made my buy my Hurricane and a 5 run copy to try out.
Finally, there is more to Eve then Phew-Phew/Boom-Boom. The Player driven economy is one of the most amazing things to me about the game. The information in the QEN helps drive that. Sure sure, if the QEN has to go then that is that, but please provide the additional information (on top of the numbers given in this blog) some other way. - An API perhaps? - a supported third party that reports market trends?
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Originally by: Kandreath Oh dear, a second post from me on this thread. Is that against some kind of rule?
I totally missed that the release of this devblog also signals the end of the QEN. ;(
I'm not a hardcore marketer, but I do take a good read of the QEN when it arrives. If nothing else I find the content interesting as it shows "cause and effect" relationships that you can leverage, is it's just interesting for its own sake.
Personally I do try to puzzle out what would be good to make/buy/trade based on QEN's. Just the indices do not give me the same insight.
Lets not forget the QEN gave good information on population, ships, manufactured goods ect. It is this information I'd miss them most. The QEN made my buy my Hurricane and a 5 run copy to try out.
Finally, there is more to Eve then Phew-Phew/Boom-Boom. The Player driven economy is one of the most amazing things to me about the game. The information in the QEN helps drive that. Sure sure, if the QEN has to go then that is that, but please provide the additional information (on top of the numbers given in this blog) some other way. - An API perhaps? - a supported third party that reports market trends?
A great post and one I agree with. I really like your suggestion at the bottom there about an API so that developers could make applications using the raw data. If they gave us more info via the API, then the QEN going away would sting a little less, though the QEN is a great loss in its own right. Having the Doc's analysis of the markets every quarter was a part of what made Eve real for me. ______________________ "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) |
Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.07.25 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kerrisone on 25/07/2011 23:13:32
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
I am reminded for some reason of the announcement last year that there would be no 2010 fanfest and instead it would be held at a different time in 2011. Which oddly came right after the player rage of the 18months declaration from CCP.
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.07.26 00:08:00 -
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Will this data be available through the API?
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.07.26 00:18:00 -
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Numbers that could look bad:
Total # Of Active Accounts If this moved down significantly, it may be that advertising it is a bad idea. However, not including a metric that's been in every prior QEN would be a pretty glaring omission and cause some negative speculation, which might be just as bad from a marketing perspective.
Population Distribution Did a significant # of players move out of null sec recently?
Money Supply If this went down while prices were dropping on minerals, it might be a bad sign.
I wonder if the problem with the QENs was about resources at CCP or about what the data showed.
Too bad... I'm not really a market guy, but I did read the QENs.
His name was John Turbefield!
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.26 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
Boooooo, Really enjoyed those.
Also a QEN got me into eve,,,,i thought any game with this depth has got to be interesting. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.07.26 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
could you provide the equivalent of 10q's with some sort of standard break down of market volumes, total ships sold , ships exploded by type. gross bounties earned, mission payouts earned, isk value of skill books sold by npcs, and a few others
You don't need to take the time to do any analysis.. just give us a few pages of 50 entries a page on excel sheets.
The price indexes aren't terribly interesting to me (as I can see them myself for one thing). Data that you have that we have very little abilty to gauge however is
I understand that much of the joy of trading comes from the mystery of discovering specific niches so I think that it is less important to break the data down item by item on module level but ship types, or at least ship class types (battlecruisers, battle****p etc) blown up would be a very intersting metric that wouldn't give huge trade advantage in specific items but would really be economic news for us. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.07.26 06:31:00 -
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So, I would think that less ships being blown up would be a very material factor in the price of ores and datacores.
and ultimately, less ships being blown up means less ships being built..
If we can see that more ships were being build in March then June, yet than in May they were balanced, we might surmise a massive arming prior to major campaigns, some reshipping, then a lack of ships being blown up as whol nations (corporations) retreated and held back from replacing losses of capital as they had admitted defeat and had no more will to fight. |
Jon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.26 06:45:00 -
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I quite like this post over on failheap.
An excerpt:
"The long and short of it is that if CCP had now to write a fair, unbalanced, and objective QEN (or any report really) about the EVE economy, that in it they would have to own up to the fact that over the years a number of their rare interventions have all gone rather poorly to outright badly, and that the consequence of that now is that the EVE economy as a whole, and in particular as an enjoyable player experience, is quite in the doldrums. In the end all the Milton Friedman rhetoric can't hide the fact that sizeable parts of the EVE economy are fundamentally broken while others are sterile wastelands compared to what they should be. I.e., there is something rotten in the state of Denmark and things are not as healthy and enjoyable as they should have been. The idea that players, with their visible hand or not, could or should fix this forgets that for a large part they are patently incapable of doing so with the tools and numbers available and moreover places the burden that should be rightfully CCP's somewhere where it is not wanted and where it can only be misapplied. In the end it is CCP's game to run, and the players game to own. Anything else is just incompetence and a lazy dismissal to act when in fact no one else can.
CCP knows this, it has even admitted as much to the CSM, in black and white, in the minutes (CSM5 to be clear, CSM6 is, as usual, not on the ball). And the reality is that the only one to blame for that is CCP. And CCP simply doesn't want to own up to that because: 1. the 'unique' EVE economy is still something they trod out at every opportunity and they don't want to spoil its marketing value, and 2. the players will, quite rightfully so, point the finger and apportion the blame squarely to CCP and the people it hired for 'guiding' it. The question: "But why didn't you do something about it then", in the end, is not unreasonable. Not any more. Neither option is very attractive if: you are the one hired to 'deal' with it while you are also the one to write the QENs, and CCP just had a number of quite spectacular scandals behind it (all touching on the supposedly healthy EVE economy). So now the QENs, even as deluded as they sometimes were, have become an inconvenience to CCP. OK then.
This is nothing against Dr Eggnog personally, although he'll no doubt feel differently about it. He's probably a nice fellow, and yes, indeed, he may have been trying, or actually pushing, for all of this behind the corporate mask. Perhaps he is ignored or shunted out of the discussions he should, by all rights, be involved in. I have no clue. I don't know how things are dealt with internally at CCP (not very good I from what I do see and hear). But frankly, neither do you. But the buck stops somewhere, otherwise we'll go round and round in circles for ever (insert Pinky Pie clip). But, like it or not, dear Dr Eggnog is the public face for CCP for dealing with the EVE economy. And tallying up the score over the years, whatever the internal communication or situation, it doesn't look good. At any rate, who else do you want me to address? If he himself gets carted, or carts himself, out into the public eye as the 'EVE economy man'?" |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.07.26 06:50:00 -
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(avoiding walls of text with shorter posts)
Do you have a way to access production numbers of a a give item per day as opposed to numbers of an item traded?
Those numbers could tell different stories and the production numbers might be more of a leading indicator.
- i'm also curious what percentage of the ship production economy avoids markets altogether (manufactured for own purpose, or bartered or sold player to player)
- I'm curious in terms of ship Destructions, how bumpy of a line the ships per day, battleships per day, capital ships per day etc is (and commesurately those same numbers on a weekly and monthly basis). What sort of deviations between an average day/week of destructions and a quiet, or red hot day/week do you see? Do 10% of the days see 5 or 10 times the numbers of ships destroyed or does the size of the universe and numbers of players even that out so that a 20% deviation from average is extreme.
(btw, all numbers must be some-how made neutral by the day of the week because we want to compare sundayds to sundays, not sundays to tuesdays.. weekly numbers help I suppose in a way that might be less complicated to quickly grasp yet the day to day numbers are still interesting even if broader themes might not be taken from them. |
Llyandrian
Amarr Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2011.07.26 08:00:00 -
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In future these CONCORD figures should be provided using YC dates. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.07.26 08:36:00 -
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MAN that was one heap of cliche's strung together without saying anything at failheap
... I do agree that its always a warning sign when there is a sudden change in methods of finacial reporting etc (but I could see it being a resource issue too...too much arguing between developers, marketing and the economists which probably wastes like 12 times the efforts of putting the informational part of the Qen together.
But, I'd need to know quite a bit more of what you're getting at to understand the major blunders and simply obvious routes avoided in making a vibrant virtual world economy.
This is by far ..far far, the best economy i've ever seen in a virtual world and I'd say they've done darn good.
except:
- lack of resources iterating each month on 0.0 sov mechanics, moon revenues , and (hard to simply solve) experimenting on game mechanics changes that would let players easily gang botters yet still have humans beable to farm .. well ..neglect of putting resources constatntly into game adjustments let certain things like spamming super caps etc go a bit awry.
- contrary to many, the love with the player economy hurt the player economy because NPC sales are by far the best sort of isk sink that can be created strategically to lure isk from the players likely to have a bit much....I'm not sure what all teh aurum business was... there are other ways to retire plex. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.07.26 10:33:00 -
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It is sad that QEN is discontinued. It highlighted one of the main things that make special and unique, its player-driven market.
I hope this will come back in some form or other as it was fascinating reading.
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.07.26 11:11:00 -
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A graph I'm always interested in is number of characters against skill points. For example, plotting number of characters on the y-axis, and skill points on the x-axis. |
Kamikazie
Amarr Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.07.26 14:23:00 -
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Quote: Mineral prices fall considerably for the second month in a row. Mineral volume traded and used in ship production is falling. The market seems to be cooling off after a period of expansion and inflation around the EVE Online: Incursion release.
I would like to see some data mining of ships lost in the war between NC and DRF to include all pets versus the ships lost to incursions through all of EVE. Remember that when your space is besieged you can not mine or rat to the capacity that you once did so most of the ships being destroyed had to come from somewhere... Empire. Not everything in this game revolves around expansions. |
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.26 19:36:00 -
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Since Councelor Troy has proven yet again that he still does not get it
I will spell out the only real index that matters in EVE
the "Fun per hour" Index. with the realisation that fun per hour will always depreciate because after a while doing the same thing does get boring.
a Breif overview of its interactions with various feature introduced recently should give you some idea as to whats going on
PI, a Clicky annoying boring clickfest that frankly was not fun for most people,
Net impact, Negative fun Gee I seem to recall there coments about it being considered a non successfull expansion. . .
Incursions New targets to blow up! Fun increase at first, leveling off and beguining a gradual decline as it gets repetative and boreing. . overall impact was an increase in fun with diminishing returns.
Nerfs to anoms, Agrivation Added to feature whos fun value was declining for existant consumers.
Avatar upgrad with new Carbon graphics, A big pile of fun for people that quickly evaporated because there realy was not mutch to do with them besides make a snapshot that mostly gets ignored after the first week or so. overall, Initial net increase in fun that disapates as time goes by leveling off at the meh level for most people, with periodic bouts of "why the hell did I do that" embarasment
WIS (will someone please point out to the developers that WIS is very close to "Wiz" as in take a ****) potential to renue the Fun from new avatars as we get to play Dress up the avatars cut short by idiotic priceing plan. Masive negative hit to fun as people feel that CCP was out to gouge them, ongoing fun deficit as we have to deal with freinds who dont play EVE will think that we are playing "that game created by Greedy stupid idiots" offset by the initial burst of Rioting ingame that was probably a therapudic stress releive, (honestly if Rioting was not fun on some level people just would not do it) however the short term prospect after the initial rioting is that were stuck in a pointless for most players rut for some time now as nothing realy new in the way of fun seems to be comeing. net effect Negative fun.
.End of line.
If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.07.26 21:55:00 -
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CCP should hire SOE to learn how to finish this game off(ruin) once and for all, you guys are taking too long.
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Rindon Callsar
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Posted - 2011.07.26 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rindon Callsar on 26/07/2011 22:42:47 Something very fishy is going on here. CCP has been exalted for being very very very open with information to their community for an extremely long time.... Then Incarna came out and the whole debacle with blatant disregard for what the community wants. Now it seems they are cutting even more information out from us by removing the QEN.
CCP, pull your heads out of your arses and go back to being the company that people held in high regard. The steps you are taking now are going to bite you in the arse so hard that a lot of people are going to turn their backs and run from anything with a CCP stamp on it......
CCP the next SOE? I.E. "Hey community, f*** you pay me." mentality.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.07.27 08:12:00 -
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Seriously, I mean just as soon as people start getting their head around one mistep or communication another smacks in the face.
The QEN's and especially the recent ones that were giving us a better fix on the scale and distribution in value of activities (not just prices and volume which we could see ourselves)
... it was fun knowing more about how the economy worked...
I was thinking, even with the move to MTs the economica part of the game would still be vibrant and complex... even if I didn't like how MTs wouls shape other aspects of play ...
... leveling of mission quality... will the number and types of named goods be reduced too to make things simple for new players and make room for aurum based replacements?
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Cailais
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.27 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
This is unacceptable. Stand by for another threadnaught.
C.
'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
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Sverre Haakonson
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.28 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis.
I'm hoping this future is not to far.
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Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.07.28 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
This is unacceptable. Stand by for another threadnaught.
C.
Doubtful, hardly anyone noticed the may minutes, the aurum gifts to entice players to use the nex in order to 'hook' them on using it again, I doubt something like this will spur that beast to life.
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
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Ella Scorpio
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.29 20:58:00 -
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I'm sure CCP is starting to feel like anything they say results in a threadnaught, but I hope they are listening. When I heard CCP had their own economist, I decided to see what this Eve thing was all about. I had never played in MMO before. It was the economics that attracted me to the game, and has kept me with 2 active accounts. I'm not saying I'm unsubbing, butI do hope CCP stops to think about what makes Eve unique. The economy is a big part of that, and CCP's past transparency and engagement is another.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari Gh0st Hunters Sspectre
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:03:00 -
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This is fail whale meat covered in fail sauce. Thanks CCP for become less transparent and screwing us over yet again with the new NeX stuff. Glad to see the CSM meeting worked out so well for you guys.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.07.30 11:01:00 -
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DIE CCP, DIE!
You are freaking id**** and have absolutely no clue about what sort of sh!t you are producing recently.
I was quite loyal all the years, but the last :18 months: CCP is producing so much crap, it is hard to believe they are not purposefully want to destroy EVE. Well done, another successful blow.
HAVE YOU ****ING LOST YOUR MINDS??? |
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.07.30 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
When exactly did you come up with this grand plan to make economic data available for customer analysis? I don't recall mention of it when the 2010 Q4 QEN was released. [Disclosure: I couldn't bear to muscle through the QEN Fanfest video; the presentation was painful.]
What are the details of this plan? What is the time frame in which the plan will be executed? Who will be executing on this plan and through what channels should users of the data provide feedback?
Do you guys even have answers to the above?
I call bull$h1t on CCP's withholding of 20ll detailed data and Year-on-year comparisons of some of the common metrics that the player base likes to discuss.
Furthermore, I believe that CCP realized that the economic data was revealing too much factual product design analysis and intelligence to both its customers and competitors, exposing both EVE's and the company's weaknesses. What to do? Cut off the flow of information, of course.
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SirHarryPierce
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Posted - 2011.07.31 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?
We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.
We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
*Assuming this is some sort of CCP miscommunication... not?*
Really, I read every QEN from AtoZ. I cant believe they will be gone.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.08.01 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 01/08/2011 14:38:45 Heres a suggestion...stop insulting your players by giving them 1000 AUR and saying go check out the store...only to find out us poor players who have little time and little money can buy some fancy POS boots.
THAT...is insulting. Way to convince to use plex on this vanity crud.
Real smart.
What are the clothes supposed to do again? +1 to good looks? WOW.... great ability that is! Lot a good that will do in-game when I get my ass handed to me in a gate camp (Sarcasm)
I think ill save my ISK/PLEX's for things of value...such as a nice big ship with nice guns and a nice set of mods.
Yeah...that's the ticket.... forget the NeX store.
All this data does is prove the obvious elephant in the room... this was a big mistake. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.08.08 21:14:00 -
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I guess we're not going to get any more information on the first and second quarter economic activity numbers?
it would be kinda nice to get a "soon" or a "next time" sort of answer now that its been 2 weeks from the blog release.
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Mishatola
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Posted - 2011.08.12 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Kandreath Oh dear, a second post from me on this thread. Is that against some kind of rule?
I totally missed that the release of this devblog also signals the end of the QEN. ;(
I'm not a hardcore marketer, but I do take a good read of the QEN when it arrives. If nothing else I find the content interesting as it shows "cause and effect" relationships that you can leverage, is it's just interesting for its own sake.
Personally I do try to puzzle out what would be good to make/buy/trade based on QEN's. Just the indices do not give me the same insight.
Lets not forget the QEN gave good information on population, ships, manufactured goods ect. It is this information I'd miss them most. The QEN made my buy my Hurricane and a 5 run copy to try out.
Finally, there is more to Eve then Phew-Phew/Boom-Boom. The Player driven economy is one of the most amazing things to me about the game. The information in the QEN helps drive that. Sure sure, if the QEN has to go then that is that, but please provide the additional information (on top of the numbers given in this blog) some other way. - An API perhaps? - a supported third party that reports market trends?
A great post and one I agree with. I really like your suggestion at the bottom there about an API so that developers could make applications using the raw data. If they gave us more info via the API, then the QEN going away would sting a little less, though the QEN is a great loss in its own right. Having the Doc's analysis of the markets every quarter was a part of what made Eve real for me.
I knew if read long enough I'd find someone expesing my own thoughts on the subject, and here are two.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.08.17 01:38:00 -
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you would think Plex prices would fall when the NEX came out, after seeing absurd prices the people who stockpiled plex would sell them off and realize it is a stupid feature
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers B O R G
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Posted - 2011.08.22 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 22/08/2011 09:35:06 While I enjoyed reading the QEN when it was still here, losing it is not as big a blow as CCPs apparent tactic of "remove something, then add the replacement year or two afterward". Theres been too much of that recently.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.08.22 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Herping yourDerp you would think Plex prices would fall when the NEX came out, after seeing absurd prices the people who stockpiled plex would sell them off and realize it is a stupid feature
If you ask me that is a little backwards. The reason I say this is that we on the forums are the minority players of EvE. We may be more active and more involved but we are still a minority. The rest of the EvE players that don't visit the forums more than likely like the NeX store and with that purchased PLEX with ISK therefor increasing demand and raising prices. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Herping yourDerp you would think Plex prices would fall when the NEX came out, after seeing absurd prices the people who stockpiled plex would sell them off and realize it is a stupid feature
If you ask me that is a little backwards. The reason I say this is that we on the forums are the minority players of EvE. We may be more active and more involved but we are still a minority. The rest of the EvE players that don't visit the forums more than likely like the NeX store and with that purchased PLEX with ISK therefor increasing demand and raising prices.
See bolded parts. All of these statements are based upon assumptions. We do not know who likes what, how much ISK / RL Currency is being plowed into PLEX purchases or even the hard sales numbers for the NEX MegaTransaction Store. Heck, do we even know what percentage of human EVE account holders actively contribute to EVE-O forum posts v. those who remain silent?
It is truthful to talk about personal observations (and likes/dislikes) and interactions in-game as well as what people are writing on these forums. It valid to speculate on potential scenarios and to hypothesize on what might happen should a set of variables hold particular values.
The Q[uarterly]EN, despite its flaws, was a catalyst for discussion of the economic elements within the game -- for some, a tremendous draw to invest their time and hard-earned scratch into CCP's EVE Online service offering.
Currently, we have a project of unknown scope and delivery time that may provide economic data via the EVE Online API service. We also have the promise of an annual economic report of unknown scope. Considering CCP's proven track record of evaporating projects and features, CCP has removed one of the incentives for continued interest from its economics-minded customers.
That, to me, is highly disturbing and an indicator that something is rotten in Reykjavik.
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