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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
580
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:56:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:
Real men drone tank :-)
funny thing about that back in 06 i used to be in a ion blaster active shield tanked mwd nano thorax...
and i lived in half a 0.2 system and belt rated... the only way i could take on a triple primus spawn... (the best in the system i was a 3 month char at that point) was to get them to agro my drones and cycle them...
i really wish they brought back drone cycling... but not like it used to be but allow me to use repair paste on my drones when they are in my drone bay...
this would bring back they cycle technique but not make it OP like it was before...
the fit was
4 heavy ion blasters with antimater
1 medium nos
10mn mwd
medium shield rep
stasis web
reactor thing
dcu II
mag stab
mag stab
nano
5 hammerhead I Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
352
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:08:00 -
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About bloody time. There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:24:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote: Sleepers are often quite slow to re target. .
Well mission npc's target quite fast.
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PorkCleaner
Tactical Warfare Assault Team Sublime Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:32:00 -
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Hello,
First of all I would like to thank you for the attention you are giving to the NPC AI; I feel it is something that needed attention. There are some of us that enjoy the current ease with wihich we can rat and make isk; however, we are just as likelly to in the next breath complain about monotony.
Anything that makes the game more fun and closer to the real pvp experience ends up making the game a more entertaining experience. I do have 2 specific concearns:
Drone 10/10 complexes will be near imposssible without some tweaking. Currently these are done with Battleships in teams of 3 to 4 ships - but always with a logi. Notice I said near impossible; I am sure that with a lot of trial, we can replace the Logi with some BS like a Domi. However, if making NPC's smarter and not harder is the point in regular space don't make it harder in 10/10's. Suggest you make the NPC's hate the logi somewhere between the drones and a normal ship Suggest the logi not be targeted by anyuthing larger then itself (includes sentries).
Also on the 10/10 in Drone regions. The last NPC of the 7th room fires torpedoes that will insta-pop almost anything unless it is being repped and has a big / big tank. Please look at this complex.
Thank you for the effort and your prompt responses. |
Andy Landen
Born Crazy Kadeshians
62
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Posted - 2012.09.21 03:48:00 -
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Giving NPCs brain sounds great. I always loved the challenge with sleeper and Incursion NPCs. You will also need to give our drones brains, unless you are trying to put drone boats at a disadvantage compared to the other weapon systems. If drones are set to return to bay upon receiving aggro, then when drones are targeted, they should turn off mwd and AB away from the targeting NPCs at an angle to avoid 0 transversal as it approaches the drone boat and enters the drone bay. Drones should also have the broadcast for reps whenever they are targetted. Carriers should be able to see their fighter's health while away and be able to recall them from a pursuit of a player. Players should be able to set the order of targets without targeting them (drones can target on their own) and when drones select their own target, they should broadcast it. Drones need lots of work for sure, especially if NPCs get brains. |
Stratocast
Black Ranger Squadron
1
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Posted - 2012.09.21 04:25:00 -
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If we are trying to make the AI behave smarter I think that's awesome and I'm all for it.
If you want pve to feel like pvp then all sites should allow MWDs and all frigs should have at least a point if and AFs should have a scram right? I think putting MWDs into missions would be a great idea to be able to use close range setups.
I hope I didn't miss some post that says that you guys already have plans for that, but if you haven't please please PLEEEAAASE do.
MWD MWD MWD! Come on guys! |
Mira Luhtanen
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.09.21 04:25:00 -
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This character (my main) flies with a group of people who do things like run high-end exploration sites in PvP fit Brutixes. We've gotten some nice drops like that GÇô-áand some nice kills. But I guess that won't work any more, not without extra logi. Which is a shame, because we can often barely find enough non-logi pilots as it is. And I guess new players can forget about coming along to help in smaller, softer ships.
My alt scrubbishly grinds high-sec combat sites solo in a Tengu. What changes am I going to notice here? Oh, that's right, nothing. |
Castina
The Church of Robotology
2
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Posted - 2012.09.21 05:03:00 -
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My noctis pilot is going to be so bored. |
Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
194
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Posted - 2012.09.21 05:20:00 -
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Requests.
(1) Mining Drones Is it possible to develop Medium sized mining drones that can take a beating
some of us have tanks willing to shoot down the rats in Null sec, but some times it takes a bit to target and having Beefier medium mining drones will mean they will last longer, or long enough the repping drones can be used.
Since perma tanking will no longer be an effective tactic for null sec mining ops.
(2) Will it be possible to "Dial Up" missions in the future, I have been on some mission in high sec and they are more fun in groups but they get to be too easy. Dial up the difficulty majorly but no need to dial up the reward much as the reward is the group fun
Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again. |
Adam Junior
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
48
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Posted - 2012.09.21 05:55:00 -
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Good show CCP! Gallente were getting dangerously close to being useful! |
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argleblargle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.21 06:22:00 -
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Yeah, this is definitely going to break all the higher-end DED complexes, in addition to making gallente less useful for PVE and making group PVE more difficult, especially with newbies. Good job, CCP! |
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
223
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Posted - 2012.09.21 06:28:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Is this effectively the death knell for the Navy - regular Dominix for level 4 mission running? No. I've run C1 and C2 wormholes with a Myrmidon and not lost any drones. If you keep an eye on them you can keep them alive. Sleepers are often quite slow to re target. Sometimes you can recall the drones when you see the sleeper go from red to yellow and force them sleeper to switch back before they have even locked the drone. Sleepers also hate ECM, so a boat with a couple of ECM mods can keep aggro off the drones as well. If you tank with the drones you can reduce a lot of incoming DPS. A Dominix has room for a lot of T1 drones to use as cannon fodder.
You are forgetting one thing. In C1 and C2 wormholes the rats don't web. The problem is not with rats switching targets. The problem is with rats switching targets and webbing your drones, which usually equals insta-pop. |
Ahernar
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:00:00 -
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Me likes the smart rats ideea . And about high end plexes the extra time lost / less people doing them will be automaticaly compensated in time by higher prices on those (rarer) drops .But about exploration what i like is a drop rate increase and also a drop variety increase . That will reduce a little the maddening "i did 7 highend plexes and got 7 boxes and one drop " (my recent count atm) and will mean less max drop and less min drop.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
421
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:09:00 -
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NPC AI improvement is all right, but dont allow them to intervene in pvp more than today. Make it depend from player aggroing NPC, if a player hasnt for example shot guristas for last 15 minutes, they shouldnt switch aggro to this player. Only distribute NPC attention among players which have been involved in combat with particular NPC faction - this way pvp wouldnt get messed up and these kills wont get spoiled by sh*tty rats.
STOP MESSING UP PVP BY NPC, enough kills are spoiled by NPC already, I regularly miss kills while camping gate because gate rats are shooting my ship and I have to retreat. |
Li Charen-Teng
18
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:17:00 -
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Assuming that changing NPC AI doesn't change time requirements and therefore the income is a rather bald statement in the beginning. At least for all 6/10 and higher complexes from Angels, Sansha and Blood Raiders (I ran those for years) you have to balance before putting those changes on TQ.
Here some examples: a logi can't tank 6 siege towers when being webbed from 12 stasis towers even when a 2nd logi is in the room and the dps ships have remote reps as well. Some complexes have up to 12 web/scram frigates in one wave, there is basically no chance that drones can take them out with the drone aggro. No cruiser unless its a HIC can tank the alpha from 20 BS, while it may be able to take out those scram frigates. Siege stations have a 50km web with grid wide citadel torps (your warpin is 30km away from those) - a slowboating tank ship with remote reps on it or extremly blink fitted survives that. Checking EVE GATE every few minutes... |
Katharina B
Covenant Trading Agency
2
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:47:00 -
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Here is MY PERSONAL feedback: Two accounts cancelled - You lost a more than 4 years paying customer!
In addition to the missile nerf CCP will also bring an AI boost for NPC's in missions. These NPC's will switch targets. At the first look it seems to be a good idea. At the second look it is a typical darft idea from CCP. Mission "Buzz Kill" and "Stop The Thief" are just two of more missions where every pilot will have problems with his drones. (ELITE) Frigs are at 65km+ at the beginning, you start your drones but they will be destroyed before they reach the enemy frigate. If you call back your drones they are to far away to reach your ship befor they are destroyed. What have we than? A scrambled ship without drones and less damage with missiles or more damage with the stupid TE+TC but horrible less tank. Good job CCP.
As Caldari pilot I end my career in New Eden. From a RP point I could say I grab my ISK buy me a planet or at least a little moon somewhere and can live like a god for the rest of my life. From a RL point I MUST SAY, that CCP do never think about changes and their consequences. And ever ask the wrong people who do not have skilled what they intent to nerf next.
Bye folks. It was a pleasure for me to be part of this community for 4.5 years. But now it is time to travel on. O7
P.S.: No! You can not have my stuff. Remember? I want to buy me a planet or a little moon. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
591
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:51:00 -
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Katharina B wrote:Here is MY PERSONAL feedback: Two accounts cancelled - You lost a more than 4 years paying customer! In addition to the missile nerf CCP will also bring an AI boost for NPC's in missions. These NPC's will switch targets. At the first look it seems to be a good idea. At the second look it is a typical darft idea from CCP. Mission "Buzz Kill" and "Stop The Thief" are just two of more missions where every pilot will have problems with his drones. (ELITE) Frigs are at 65km+ at the beginning, you start your drones but they will be destroyed before they reach the enemy frigate. If you call back your drones they are to far away to reach your ship befor they are destroyed. What have we than? A scrambled ship without drones and less damage with missiles or more damage with the stupid TE+TC but horrible less tank. Good job CCP. As Caldari pilot I end my career in New Eden. From a RP point I could say I grab my ISK buy me a planet or at least a little moon somewhere and can live like a god for the rest of my life. From a RL point I MUST SAY, that CCP do never think about changes and their consequences. And ever ask the wrong people who do not have skilled what they intent to nerf next. Bye folks. It was a pleasure for me to be part of this community for 4.5 years. But now it is time to travel on. O7 P.S.: No! You can not have my stuff. Remember? I want to buy me a planet or a little moon.
I hope you change your mind and do not quit.
However, it does seem odd that CCP seem to be trying to finish off the Gallente.
Why would any new player choose Gallente and fly their ships?
You want fries with that? |
Ahernar
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:20:00 -
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2 x 20% less effective tenjews are still an effective npc clearing force . Not to mention that at least one of them could be a extended range HAM version (40-50 km or so via the new tracking enhancers ) with more DPS than the current HML flavor .
Dont be a dramaqueen :) |
Smoke Adian
55
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:21:00 -
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Cost of goods have at least doubled in recent years and the profitability of pretty much every area of EVE has climbed (though not at the same rate). The one type of income that has remained unchanged for years is 0.0 pve leaving average 0.0 pilots reliant on socialism (alliance reimbursement etc) as prices climb and their income does not.
In addition, you've now delivered two huge nerfs to 0.0 pve. Ratting and such were already medicore at best due to the introduction of wormholes, high sec incursions, and now FW. With these nerfs, 0.0 ratting will be in line with some of the least profitable activities in EVE.
Just as an example of what a huge nerf this is, imagine ratting in Gurista space:
Drake/Tengu - nerfed, aprox. 20 reduction in income Ishtar/Gila (typical Gurista ratter) - not even viable with these changes Carriers - haha
So you'll be left with high skills/expensive options like vindi's or taking the 20% hit in income with Caldari stuff. Additionally, every plex will be even more broken, with each one requiring a very high skills, specific gimmick setup. Yes, they already require gimmick fits, but I don't think anyone expected you guys to reinforce this with even more gimmicky-ness rather than fix it.
Tech is nerfed, ratting income is nerfed, and there is absolutely no incentive to manufacture in 0.0. More money can be made in high sec (incursions), FW (low-sec), and wormholes. Is that intended?
tl:dr 0.0, the least profitable area of the game for PVE, is now even less profitable and is coming ever closer to being inaccessible to new players. If I was cynical I would say this is a coordinated maneuver to increase profits as more and more 0.0 pleebs say "screw this" and buy plex (regardless of intent, this will occur).
I hope you'll read this and start to look for a viable solution to this issue that allows you to press on with these changes while not wrecking 0.0 into even more of an unprofitable mess than it already is. I just don't think you guys realize what a mess this winter patch is shaping up to be so I'll just go ahead and say it: NGE. Someone please start looking at the big picture here. |
feihcsiM
Last Exit For The Lost Dark Therapy
53
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:26:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:[Our ultimate goal is that PvP and PvE fits should be the same and a lot of the thought process should be the same. That is... a long way off though.
I love you. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
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Strange Shadow
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:33:00 -
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Can you please rewrite collision avoidance algorithm on MY ship while you at it? Just cut off engines, or pick some avoidance course on slow speed or something, but at the moment those hysterical moves my ship does each time it gets stuck on gate is comedy online (not spaceships online).
As i noticed, rats use same routine and gets stuck in asteroids too, often for hours, not looking least bit intelligent while doing it.
Stucking in roids is cool, but please make it looks less ********. |
El 'Terrible
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:40:00 -
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So yet another way of making it more challenging to make isk? How are newer players supposed ease themselves into living in 0.0? You will lose a lot of your player base with this next patch. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
422
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Posted - 2012.09.21 08:54:00 -
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argleblargle wrote: in addition to making gallente less useful for PVE ...
How are these changes going to make gallante less useful? They see me trolling, they hating... |
El 'Terrible
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:07:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:argleblargle wrote: in addition to making gallente less useful for PVE ... How are these changes going to make gallante less useful? You're going to have to keep recalling drones if they get aggression. |
Gelvina
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
1
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:08:00 -
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AWESOME! I've been waiting for this for a long time!
- when are you buffing the belt rats now that mining ships are stronger?
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:10:00 -
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Katharina B wrote: What have we than? A scrambled ship without drones and less damage with missiles or more damage with the stupid TE+TC but horrible less tank. Good job CCP. Yep then you're stuck for 24 hours if it happens righ after downtime or to another downtime, you can't kill the frigs, npc's can't kill you, you don't have isk to pay for help.
Then you go afk while online and do some other stuff till downtime.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
421
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:14:00 -
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CCP how about reverting your last fiasko (unified inventory) prior creating another one? |
Prime FLux
The Rising Stars The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:28:00 -
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Ok you want to make PVE more like PVP? Well then its time to redo every single mission/ site in the game. Because hell no, someone in their right mind attacks a gate camp of 20+ ships in a single ship and expect to win. Or in a smaller group like 3-5 ships.
Its all about risk vs reward aka isk/hour
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Tamonash en Welle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:32:00 -
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Hm, yes, I like they idea of smarter NPCs.
Sometimes the the rats shoot at my drones already. Then I activate the remote repairer and let the drone tank the damage. I do not forsee any need to change tactics with the comming changes. |
Li Charen-Teng
18
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:36:00 -
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El 'Terrible wrote:So yet another way of making it more challenging to make isk? How are newer players supposed ease themselves into living in 0.0? You will lose a lot of your player base with this next patch.
For high-sec mission the impact will be rather small, however you will force people out of 0.0 into high-sec. The recent belt rat changes decreased the isk/h in belts alot, the old but actually welcome to anomalies in 0.0 decreased income for the average players, now complexes get nerfed as well (rather unintentional) - you are stupid if you try to make your money in 0.0 with those changes. Pretty much every other high-sec or low-sec PvE content will have a higher reward with less risk and that includes level4 missions. Null-sec stagnates as far as income for individuals is concerned. It falls back behind pretty much everything with these changes. CCP has either to change the spawns in complexes or increase their drop tables of faction/ complex loot and bounties to make it worth doing with the doubled numbers of people needed to finish a complex, especially in the highly competetive sandbox that eve is. Checking EVE GATE every few minutes... |
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